England v South Africa, 5th NatWest ODI, Trent Bridge September 4, 2012

England look to extend winning home run

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Match Facts

Trent Bridge, September 5
Start time: 2.00pm (1300 GMT)

The Big Picture

England's victory at Lord's ensured their unbeaten run at home continues - they have not lost an ODI series at home since 2009 when Australia won by a country mile. But that was After the Lord Mayor's Show since the Ashes were already won and South Africa will cast this series off as just the same, particularly if they lose the final rubber.

With the No. 1 ranking secure until the new year, England have at least a major achievement to take away from this summer and are building well. The test of their progress will come in India but for the time being they can be content with several plus points that bode well for their long term vision towards the 2015 World Cup. One of those is the offspinner James Tredwell who was superb at Lord's. He has proved a more than capable replacement for Graeme Swann and England should be confident that should Swann need to be rested, Tredwell is the wings.

South Africa will need to play Tredwell, and Samit Patel far better if they are to put a good total on the board - their downfall in the two games they have lost. Their middle order is beginning to look as fragile as Australia's earlier in the summer, although the quality of personnel in the South Africa line-up is far better on paper; but they haven't delivered as AB de Villiers conceded.

Their bowling also lacked punch at Lord's and Morne Morkel is needed back in the attack if South Africa are to maintain pressure and get below Eoin Morgan sooner in the innings. They will be pleased that Jonathan Trott isn't available for England, who will most likely bring in Jonny Bairstow and either promote Ravi Bopara or Craig Kieswetter to No. 3.

But that will be a call for Alastair Cook and Richard Halsall, the England fielding coach, to consider, as Andy Flower is taking a week off. The ECB denied Flower would use the time to conduct more meetings with Kevin Pietersen.

Form guide

(Most recent first, completed matches)

England WWLWW
South Africa LLWWW

Watch out for

Ravi Bopara has been on a downward spiral with the bat since his self-inflicted exile from the second Test. With Trott out of the side, Bopara should be looking forward to more time at the crease but his current form may see England opt to keep Bopara at No. 4 and reduce the risk of losing two early wickets. Fortunately for Bopara his bowling is keeping him in the side but he needs runs.

AB de Villiers has not made the big runs he produced against Sri Lanka and New Zealand earlier this year and by his own admission has been guilty of not continuing his starts - 39, 28 and 28 in the last three games - into scores that could put England under pressure chasing. With several players around him out of form, de Villiers needs a captain's knock at Trent Bridge.

Team news

England's replacement for Trott is likely to be Bairstow, the spare batsman in the squad. England could move Craig Kieswetter up the order to save the out-of-form Bopara going in at No. 3 under pressure.

England (possible) 1 Alastair Cook (capt), 2 Ian Bell, 3 Craig Kieswetter (wkt), 4 Ravi Bopara, 5 Eoin Morgan, 6 Jonny Bairstow, 7 Samit Patel, 8 James Tredwell, 9 James Anderson, 10 Steven Finn, 11 Jade Dernbach

South Africa lacked bite to their bowling attack and will want to get Morne Morkel back into their XI, possibly in place of Lonwabo Tsotsobe. Justin Ontong is also an option to replace one of the middle-order batsmen.

South Africa (possible) 1 Graeme Smith, 2 Hashim Amla, 3 Dean Elgar, 4 AB de Villiers (capt & wk), 5 JP Duminy, 6 Faf du Plessis, 7 Ryan McLaren, 8 Wayne Parnell, 9 Robin Peterson, 10 Dale Steyn, 11 Morne Morkel

Pitch and conditions

The Trent Bridge wickets have got better as the season has progressed and with the weather forecast set for warm and sunny, batting first will be the desired option given the September dew may come into play under the floodlights.

Stats and trivia

  • If England win they will have reeled off eight series victories in a row at home, stretching back to 2009. Of the previous 11 series, England won just three.
  • Since returning to the England ODI side at the start of this year, Ian Bell averages 59.88 with 539 runs.
  • Morne Morkel needs three wickets to reach 100 in ODIs

Quotes

"It'd be nice to see him back in England colours. He's a great player; we know he's a class player. I hope for him things turn out well."
Despite his side's success in one-day cricket Ravi Bopara would like to see Kevin Pietersen back for England

"I've seen them win matches for their teams back home on the big stage in finals and stuff like that. But they are inexperienced and when you have inexperience in your team you need the senior players to take control, including myself."
AB de Villiers identifies how his batting order can improve.

Alex Winter is an editorial assistant at ESPNcricinfo

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  • SuperSharky on September 5, 2012, 12:19 GMT

    @ pom_don on (September 05 2012, 10:07 AM GMT) LOL, good one. I reckon it's got more fantasy moments than "Alice in Wonderland".

  • Snick_To_Backward_Point on September 5, 2012, 12:15 GMT

    Cricfan_99 "A world cup win has and will be the most sought achievement in world cricket" Not really. Unless, of course, you're from a country whos test team is fast sinking to rock bottom and it's your only potential chance to shine. Maybe. But if that was the case you wouldn't be a cricfan IMO.

  • Snick_To_Backward_Point on September 5, 2012, 12:10 GMT

    C'mon England! Although ODIs and T20 are like a cheap take away meal compared to the fine dining of test cricket this series is good as a confidence booster for battles to come over the next 6 months. Since we've had so much success with opening our doors to naturalised Saffers I was hoping we could do the same for Aussie & Indian talent trouble is, there isn't any.

  • kc69 on September 5, 2012, 12:02 GMT

    Yeah,i believe England is going to win this match also because this may be their last ODI win for a very long time to come.

  • dsnagre on September 5, 2012, 11:33 GMT

    Todays match prediction.. Toss: SA win the toss and ball first(england bat first even SA loose toss as england without trott) first inning score if England bat 240-265 and If SA bat 245-280 . 2nd inn. SA chase the target whatever is.and if england bat 2nd would nt chdse the target.MATCH RESULT:SA WIN THE MATCH EITHER BY 5 WICKET OR BY 40 or more runs...MOM :AB DEVILIARS..... Man of the series:H AMLA...

  • on September 5, 2012, 11:31 GMT

    HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

  • on September 5, 2012, 10:14 GMT

    I think England have this one. No dramas.

  • pom_don on September 5, 2012, 10:07 GMT

    @RandyOZ what's it like in 'Randy World' then?

  • Chandrutenneti on September 5, 2012, 10:02 GMT

    South Africa inconsistency in the ONE-DAYS is because of their poor short selection against the spin, And if you take out the top two(Hashim and Smith) within 50 runs, they are not going to score more than 225 with their fragile middle order. They can bring in du-plesis to open with smith and let Amla, de-villiers play in the middle order. Their bowling is always good and discipline. But the only difference with both sides is the middle order batting, where england has EOIN MORGAN who is having an excellent tournament. So it s the matter of middle order stability which determines this series, where bowling is on par for both the teams......If SA bats first they must score more than 260 to back their bowlers.

  • RednWhiteArmy on September 5, 2012, 10:02 GMT

    Lets hope the best team wins

  • SuperSharky on September 5, 2012, 12:19 GMT

    @ pom_don on (September 05 2012, 10:07 AM GMT) LOL, good one. I reckon it's got more fantasy moments than "Alice in Wonderland".

  • Snick_To_Backward_Point on September 5, 2012, 12:15 GMT

    Cricfan_99 "A world cup win has and will be the most sought achievement in world cricket" Not really. Unless, of course, you're from a country whos test team is fast sinking to rock bottom and it's your only potential chance to shine. Maybe. But if that was the case you wouldn't be a cricfan IMO.

  • Snick_To_Backward_Point on September 5, 2012, 12:10 GMT

    C'mon England! Although ODIs and T20 are like a cheap take away meal compared to the fine dining of test cricket this series is good as a confidence booster for battles to come over the next 6 months. Since we've had so much success with opening our doors to naturalised Saffers I was hoping we could do the same for Aussie & Indian talent trouble is, there isn't any.

  • kc69 on September 5, 2012, 12:02 GMT

    Yeah,i believe England is going to win this match also because this may be their last ODI win for a very long time to come.

  • dsnagre on September 5, 2012, 11:33 GMT

    Todays match prediction.. Toss: SA win the toss and ball first(england bat first even SA loose toss as england without trott) first inning score if England bat 240-265 and If SA bat 245-280 . 2nd inn. SA chase the target whatever is.and if england bat 2nd would nt chdse the target.MATCH RESULT:SA WIN THE MATCH EITHER BY 5 WICKET OR BY 40 or more runs...MOM :AB DEVILIARS..... Man of the series:H AMLA...

  • on September 5, 2012, 11:31 GMT

    HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

  • on September 5, 2012, 10:14 GMT

    I think England have this one. No dramas.

  • pom_don on September 5, 2012, 10:07 GMT

    @RandyOZ what's it like in 'Randy World' then?

  • Chandrutenneti on September 5, 2012, 10:02 GMT

    South Africa inconsistency in the ONE-DAYS is because of their poor short selection against the spin, And if you take out the top two(Hashim and Smith) within 50 runs, they are not going to score more than 225 with their fragile middle order. They can bring in du-plesis to open with smith and let Amla, de-villiers play in the middle order. Their bowling is always good and discipline. But the only difference with both sides is the middle order batting, where england has EOIN MORGAN who is having an excellent tournament. So it s the matter of middle order stability which determines this series, where bowling is on par for both the teams......If SA bats first they must score more than 260 to back their bowlers.

  • RednWhiteArmy on September 5, 2012, 10:02 GMT

    Lets hope the best team wins

  • Akshita29 on September 5, 2012, 10:01 GMT

    Trot is really handy if England were to chase a low total like the last 2 matches . In such situations he just have to drop anchor on the wicket and runs would eventually come. However when they tour to india where matches are real high scoring' batting at a key no. 3 position trot might struggle as powerplays are really important in india. England best odi batsman to tour india was trescothik . He would attack the fast bowlers and spinners from the word go . We indian fans thought if trescothik stays match is gone . Kp has played well in India but he is yet to future in a single win in odi in india against india .

  • YorkshirePudding on September 5, 2012, 9:29 GMT

    @chokkashokka, winning the T20 WC didnt change peoples thoughts about T20 cricket so its unlikely to change if England win an ODI WC. As for the Fluke comment, in tournaments its about peaking at the right time, something England have always failed to do, and if the truth is told all Tournament winners (in all sports) manage to a fluke game at some point in the tournament.

  • on September 5, 2012, 9:25 GMT

    An international team can almost always beat a national team; what big deal?

  • dsnagre on September 5, 2012, 9:25 GMT

    Worlds best 11 for odi 1.tendulkar 2.amla 3.sanga 4.watson/kalis 5.micheal hussy/sakib ul hasan 6mahela 7.msd 8ajmal 9.styen 10.anderson/morkel 11.z khan.

  • Yevghenny on September 5, 2012, 9:08 GMT

    I do wish people would stop saying "oh they won this, so they're not trying anymore" - In 2009 England most certainly WERE trying to win and got thrashed 6-1.

  • Carpathian on September 5, 2012, 9:08 GMT

    @RandyOz Not doubt you were drooling over Australia's 2-1 victory over Pakistan. Soooo much talent!

  • SuperSharky on September 5, 2012, 8:39 GMT

    @ RandyOZ on (September 05 2012, 08:00 AM GMT). I'll be totally surprised if you are right on this one. The Proteas isn't that good in limited overs and so far the ODI series looked more than a struggle for the Proteas than a walk in the park or a walkover, as you put it. The way the pattern goes I foresee a win for England and they have ODI talent and loads of it. The depth in England cricket talent is HUGE. They can even win ODI series without their best ODI batsmen (K.P.). They have so many, anyone can take a turn.

  • Damo_s on September 5, 2012, 8:33 GMT

    @RandyOz - Are we talking about the talentless England team who whitewashed Australia only a couple of months ago?

  • JG2704 on September 5, 2012, 8:32 GMT

    @jmcilhinney on (September 05 2012, 01:18 AM GMT) If they play Bopara at 3 - to me that doesn't necessarily show confidence in Bopara at 3 , more that they don't have the confidence to change things around like they did in the tests. Don't get me wrong , Bopara is useful with the ball in the shorter forms but he does (maybe to do with Cook being in there) get more opportunities/longer runs than any other player with such patchy form. With the bat I'd say Luke Wright is a much better bet esp in non SC conditions. Darren Stevens I'd say is a more consistent shorter format player too but is maybe a bit old now

  • JG2704 on September 5, 2012, 8:32 GMT

    @Cricfan_99 on (September 05 2012, 00:13 AM GMT) Not sour grapes at all. The guy said that he'd prefer to dominate the tests than win a World cup. That's his personal preference which he clearly stated. He is not milking the fact that we're number 1 in ODIs or that we won the last T2Owc. Why would someone of the sour grapes mentality say they prefer test cricket when this year his team has been so poor in that facet?

  • JG2704 on September 5, 2012, 8:32 GMT

    @eric-bryan on (September 04 2012, 21:16 PM GMT) Who exactly are the 9 members SA are without in these matches? I make it that Smith,Amla,Dumminy,De Villiers,M Morkel,Steyn and Tsotsobe would all be definite starters in their best 11- so unless I'm wrong does that mean SA are playing 16 players in their best side?

  • JG2704 on September 5, 2012, 8:31 GMT

    @jb633 on (September 04 2012, 19:09 PM GMT) Already said the same. We stay number 1 in the ODIs til we play India and could regain the number 1 status in T20s but yes , hollow feeling. Sad thing is that we didn't explore all avenues in efforts to retain the ranking and even sadder is I don't think we'll explore all avenues in order to try and regain it.

  • chokkashokka on September 5, 2012, 8:17 GMT

    All this talk from the English about not caring about the one day format beacuse it blah blah - the real reason has nothing to do with the format and everything to do with how horrible England are it. I bet if England were to somehow win a tournament by fluke - all those one-day hating fans will be born again one-day champions. Look - there is only one world championship in the world of cricket that comes around every four years - and that is the One Day World Cup. England have never won it - home or away. India are World Champtions of that World Championship - home AND in away. The fact is that the one day format is not going anywhere as long as the Indian audience watches it in their living rooms. Can't wait till November.

  • RandyOZ on September 5, 2012, 8:00 GMT

    Will be a walkover for South Africa, England just lack talent its as simple as that.

  • Lmaotsetung on September 5, 2012, 7:42 GMT

    I'm sure SA would love to have Kieswetter back and this bloke won't be near Eng test squad unless Prior retires, gets injured, or has a massive lost of form. Even then, Steve Davis is the current test reserve keeper. Oh and that young guy by the name of Bairstow....probably is on par with Dhoni as a wicketkeeper but with much better potential as a batsman. Am also sure Graham Onions walks on almost any test squad if not as an opener bowler at the very least as first change. England fans has always been weary of the batting depth. We don't see any future opener ready to take Strauss' spot. #5 and #6 still up for grabs but we believe guys who've been given a chance and dropped has what it takes to come back and secure their spot. Strauss/Bell/Prior all were dropped at one point or another. Cook was on the verge of getting dropped b4 his spectacular ashes. Players like Trott and Pietersen only come around once in a blue moon. How's Suresh Raina doing? Yeah...didn't think so....

  • Rajesh_india_1990 on September 5, 2012, 7:25 GMT

    Oh my god!!England's Sir viv richards(TROTT) was injured...Blessing in disguise for WORLD XI...

  • passionatecricbug on September 5, 2012, 6:57 GMT

    lol you can only win at home...ooops not even that....you were whitewashed in the test series just recently

  • on September 5, 2012, 6:46 GMT

    I always have a good chuckle when I see the exaggeration of Englands so called depth. Any nation can randomly drop names and call it depth. People are forgetting they also needed there seasoned pros to win them the games they won.

  • on September 5, 2012, 6:23 GMT

    England have been the better one day side than South Africa in the recent times.Not just this particular series but even if we look the previous series between the 2 teams.South Africa are doing a good thing by not including Kallis as they really need to give good exposure to youngsters like Du Plessis,Elgar etc though Colin Ingram & David Miller also deserve more chances.Whether South Africa square this particular series or not their main focus should be towards building a side which is capable of winning 2015 W.C.As far as O.D.I rankings are concerned England can stay at no.1.

  • Marktc on September 5, 2012, 5:51 GMT

    On paper South Africa have a decent one day side. I still think our test cricket is way better though. Still, England have outclassed SA so far in the ODI's and I feel, though SA may fight back, the final one will go England's way. The SA young and old players are just not producing the goods..

  • satish619chandar on September 5, 2012, 5:09 GMT

    @landl47 : Naming incapability in field of English players as Amla's luck is rather funny. Next day, and Indian supporter will come and say - England will get another fodder fast bowler from India or a Australia ll say the same about a spinner..

  • shovwar on September 5, 2012, 5:09 GMT

    @ Hammond...................................................LOL.

  • satish619chandar on September 5, 2012, 5:05 GMT

    Not necessarily the home form but England these days are in decent form in shorter formats. Probably the only thing that might challenge England is, score above 280 and without KP, they lack enforcers. Bell is doing it at the moment but i wouldn't pick Bell as a certain option to do the job under pressure. SA need to backup and push an full option with either bat or ball for one of the bits and piece players. There are too many guys with no defined role in the team.

  • TommytuckerSaffa on September 5, 2012, 4:43 GMT

    Couldnt care less about ODI cricket and I have to agree with Graham Swann. Get rid of ODI cricket and just play T20 and Test cricket. These ODIs are just for commericial trimmings after the thrill of the Test series and what an anti-climax. I hope the T20s are a bit more spicer, because this ODI series has been average cricket all-round, lets be honest.

    Lots of straw clutching from Alex Winter on this...England are no.1 until December and lots of hyping up this series as a nailbiter...who cares. Fairly pointless and ODI rankings will be ever-changing with 3-4 sides on almost equal points.

    I just wish we played more test cricket, it is so much more exciting. This shouldve been a 5 match test series.

  • RodStark on September 5, 2012, 3:33 GMT

    Serious question. The series has been low-scoring. Is that just chance or the fact that it's on English pitches? Or are the two new balls making a big difference? How are they working out elsewhere, e.g. Aus/pak?

  • chokkashokka on September 5, 2012, 3:16 GMT

    Counting on home form is not always a given for England anymore. I guess the readers will have to endure another couple months of the ill gotten no. 1 chest thumping from the English writers here on cricinfo - November couldn't arrive faster.

  • vrn59 on September 5, 2012, 3:06 GMT

    The South Africans are really missing Kallis in this series... however, they have a better one-day team, man-for-man, than England. The positives for them so far have been a solid opening pair and a good bowling attack, which hasn't been given enough runs to defend. Amla and Smith have been good, although Smith is due for a bigger score, and all the bowlers have been decent. de Villiers really needs to step it up with the bat; he hasn't played a single match-winning innings on this tour so far. Duminy and du Plessis also need to start pulling their weight. My SA XI: Amla, Smith, Elgar, de Villiers (C&wk), du Plessis, Duminy, Parnell, Peterson, Steyn, M Morkel, Tsotsobe. Morne Morkel must be brought back, and although Tsotsobe hasn't been in good form, his past performances should keep him in. The batting looks thin after No. 6, due to Albie Morkel's absence, which is why the top order needs to contribute. Likewise for England.

  • Shan156 on September 5, 2012, 3:02 GMT

    @cricfan_99, perhaps you dont understand what sour grapes mean. What is the greatest thing to you need not be the greatest thing to everyone. For most England fans, test cricket is and will remain the pinnacle. A world cup win would be nice and it is true that we have come close in the past but have been unable to win it. But why it should be impossible for us is something I dont understand. We did win the T20 world cup after all. Anyway, my point is that test achievements are more significant for some of us than any ODI tournaments. The home series defeat against SA hurt us more than the fact that we have never won the WC. Is it too hard for you to understand?

  • dariuscorny on September 5, 2012, 2:58 GMT

    @Hammond ha ha funny comment

  • Hammond on September 5, 2012, 2:26 GMT

    Enjoying watching English confidence returning- Cook will be a very good Test captain, a new era of English dominance is about to begin. They will probably take out the T20 world cup as well..

  • jmcilhinney on September 5, 2012, 1:21 GMT

    @eric-bryan on (September 04 2012, 21:16 PM GMT), the fact that England's starting XI is not settled seems to be evidence against your argument. When players the likes of Woakes and Bairstow can't get a game without someone being injured, even with KP not playing, then that's a sign that you've got excellent reserve stocks. I wouldn't say that England have played brilliant cricket either, but they've still won at a canter. You seem to be implying that SA could step it up and win but England could step it up also. Consider that, but for dropping Amla in game 2, they'd probably already be up 3-0.

  • jmcilhinney on September 5, 2012, 1:18 GMT

    Cook has said that he is not concerned about Bopara's form with the bat but you always have to take anything said in a press conference with a grain of salt. Whether or not they play Bopara at #3 will be a better indication of the true feeling. If he comes in at #3 then that's a vote of confidence. If he doesn't then they can couch it however they like but I'll view that as their not feeling that they can rely on him.

  • landl47 on September 5, 2012, 0:24 GMT

    @eric_bryan: sorry, but what you say just doesn't ring true. Duminy, Du Plessis and Lopsy are useful players, but not matchwinners, as this series has proved. When the big 6 have done well, SA has prospered, but the reserves don't match up. As for Australia- maybe you meant to include Warne instead of Lee twice, but even without 3 or 4 of those seven Australia were a very formidable side, and that's the 2007 side- earlier editions included the Waughs, Bevan (one of the finest ODI players ever), Martyn, Lehmann- the list goes on. @sourav619- you must be confusing England with India. Every England supporter would trade 10 ODI series wins for a test series win over Australia and we'd have been delighted to swap them 4-0 ODI win over Pakistan, for example, for the test series. The only thing about this series is that it was for the #1 ranking, which made it slightly more important. However, don't confuse 'it would be nice' with 'it really matters'. Tests matter, ODIs are nice.

  • Electric_L0ser_Wacko on September 5, 2012, 0:13 GMT

    @Shan156 - There's a difference between not wanting to and not being able to - in England's case it's been the latter i'm afraid - A world cup win has and will be the most sought achievement in world cricket...England have had a few close calls - but that's not what count - its the victories that matter.Your comments are well --- Sour grapes mate!!

  • subbass on September 5, 2012, 0:10 GMT

    Only the less well informed think an Englishman does not rate Tests as the pinnacle of the sport. I agree with the posts classing us been number 1 as no big deal and that a series win would indeed feel hollow. SA are not fussed they came here for the Test series win and fair play to them, they outplayed us and took the number 1 ranking deservedly so.

    I have always had it about 70% Tests 30% ODI's/T-20's in terms of my liking of the formats.

  • phoenixsteve on September 4, 2012, 23:55 GMT

    @Eric-bryan.... You sound like so many other Aussie past dwellers and unable to comprehend that England and SA are in a different class to the current Aussie line up? They're not ranked number 1 & 2 for nothing! Sure Australia IN THE PAST were a very good team. Your lineup BTW includes 2 Lees and no Warne! Warne alone was the chief reason that the Aussies were so good for so long. I know that Aussies are poor losers but cut the sour grapes and give credit where it's due. If you've any doubts about the order of things just ask yourself who holds the Ashes and deservedly so! COME ON ENGLAND!!!

  • 2.14istherunrate on September 4, 2012, 22:54 GMT

    After the 2nd ODI at the Rose Bowl ( i can't stand that new name-it sounds as if it should be an amphitheatre for renderings of Greek Tragedies.)I felt annoyed enough to know that these are not just a sideshow but another version of the real things we must do well at. So I hope we just kickass tomorrow and let them think about it all. Obviously kallis is so major for SA- that's irreplaceability for you.

  • Damo_s on September 4, 2012, 22:52 GMT

    I have a feeling that SA are going to spank us tomorrow.

  • jb633 on September 4, 2012, 22:31 GMT

    @yorkshirematt- your not the only one mate. I just can't get excited about a series win in ODI cricket. I will watch it as it is still better than nothing, but the only winners this summer have been SA. Test cricket is the ultimate format and players should only be judged a top cricketer if they have conquered the longer format. I just cannot respect players like Morgan, Reina, Yuvraj who have been proven failures in the shorter format.

  • Shan156 on September 4, 2012, 21:46 GMT

    @sourav619, you know zilch about what England fans value more. Despite the test series results this year which haven't gone our way, tests remain the #1 priority for most England fans. ODIs and T20s are nice entertainment but we value our test team's results more than anything else. Despite the fact that we have never won the world cup, personally, I would love for us to win test series home and away against every country than winning a world cup.

  • brittop on September 4, 2012, 21:16 GMT

    Sourav619: no result in this ODI series can make up for losing the test series for this England fan and will not make me rate ODIs above test (and I believe it's the same for many others). Interesting that England are now getting the South Africans out and with bowlers not in the test side. Reckon SA really wanted the test series win and they wren't going to let England deny them.

  • proteasfan99 on September 4, 2012, 21:16 GMT

    landl47 says S.A depend on kallis, AB, Hash, Smith, Morkel and Steyn...You need to understand your facts before you say something like that. Dumminy and Du Plessis have been very impoprtant in our recent success as game finishers. Tsotsobe has been our leading ODI bowlershown by his ranking. That is already nine members of the team. Which team would not rely on nine of its first eleven. Even the great Australian team of without Hayden, Gilchrist, Ponting, Lee, Symonds, McGrath and Lee would have suffered. England do not have excellent reserve stocks. Firstly their starting eleven is not even sure of itself right now. This series has just been a matter of South Africa not turning out rather than England playing brilliant cricket because honestly they have not.

  • Natesan333 on September 4, 2012, 21:04 GMT

    ....and if India said that, they are flat track bullies and good only at home.

  • wibblewibble on September 4, 2012, 20:41 GMT

    @sourav: No, even after getting humiliated in the Tests, we still prefer Test cricket, we'd just prefer to be a little better at it. Pyjama cricket is jolly good fun though, especially when you're winning, or have a shot of winning.

  • wibblewibble on September 4, 2012, 20:39 GMT

    I think this series has really highlighted what a quality cricketer Kallis is. With him not in the team, they look like they need a high quality strike bowler and an extra top order batsman. Wrap him in cotton wool saffers, you're gonna need him a few more years.

  • BokkeForever on September 4, 2012, 20:36 GMT

    Is it just me or has everyone else also lost interest in this ODI series after the tests? SA look pretty average to be honest - none of the new boys stepping up and making a name for themselves.

  • Forgettable on September 4, 2012, 20:20 GMT

    GL ENGLAND!! Hope Bairstow performs!

  • yorkshirematt on September 4, 2012, 20:04 GMT

    Well here is one englishman who couldn't care less about ODIs or t20s, whether england are doing well or not. These series always seem like a money spinning afterthought when the main business of the test series is over. I may be a little more fond of them if they took place as a warm up to a Test series. One of the best ODI series I've seen was before the 2005 Ashes, and it really got the country behind the England team ahead of that memorable summer. also these one off ODI series, such as the one v Aus this year and the one in india last autumn should be done away with. Absolutely no need except to line the pockets. Even the India series was played in half empty grounds, in the home of one day cricket. Anyway I'm rambling on now so will shut up!

  • on September 4, 2012, 19:44 GMT

    More meaningless One-dayers. Meh.

  • JIBRANDADA on September 4, 2012, 19:35 GMT

    Real test for SA this, with no KP ,Swann,Broad & Swann in tsam and 0-1 down they should win his match by huge margin but the real peoblem is in batting. Every game openers have built good platform but middle order can't capitalise. Elger seems not ready for internationals devilliers can't build on his starts & same with duminy. Bowlibg looks good but parnell at 7 is real problem. Morkel brothers is the solurion i feel and ontong in place of Elgar witj Duminy at 3 and he is golden arm man give him ball plzzz.

    Wish u luck AB we can't win but a drawn series will be better

  • on September 4, 2012, 19:33 GMT

    England a Jaffa Team........SA really playing with inexperienced team.

  • landl47 on September 4, 2012, 19:29 GMT

    England might well be the more motivated of these two sides. The #1 ranking is now beyond SA's grasp and a drawn series isn't much consolation. England, on the other hand, will want to keep their string of series wins alive. England have also shown that their bench strength is much better than South Africa's; basically, SA depend on their 6 stars (Amla, Smith, Kallis, de Villiers, Steyn and Morne Morkel) and if they are missing or don't have big games then the team is badly hit. England are missing Pieterson, Broad and Swann from their best XI, but the replacements have covered very well and Bairstow is another good reserve. If Amla gets another couple of drops and a missed LBW and Smith or de Villiers get going, then SA could win, but I like England's chances even without Trott.

  • jb633 on September 4, 2012, 19:24 GMT

    I feel like England deserve to win this series but it the ODI's have thrown up lots of questions about both sides. Re England- I think the tactics they have employed will work in conditions that favour the seamers but they will need to change in the SC. Given our struggles against spin in the SC I think we need to target the first power play and try and force Dhoni to bring his spinners on early. I do not see the top 3 of Bell/Cook/Trott as having the hitting capabilities to put pressure on that crucial powerplay. Re SA- Personally I do not think SA has much depth in the batting dept. Obviously bringing Kallis back will help but I feel like they should look to pick more specialist batsmen and bowlers rather than bits and pieces players. ABD also needs to move up to no 3 and drop the gloves. He is too good a player to be coming in when he is forced to rebuild.

  • jb633 on September 4, 2012, 19:09 GMT

    If we win this ODI series it will only leave me with the thought of "if only this were the test series". Anyone other England fans also feel this same hollow feeling?

  • on September 4, 2012, 18:28 GMT

    Official News: SA will play an Unchanged side..ENG will make two changes...Bairstow and woakes will come in place of Trott and Dernbach

  • kkk999 on September 4, 2012, 17:10 GMT

    england should try bopara as an opener and allow him to play his natural game...

  • Long-Leg on September 4, 2012, 16:12 GMT

    Just done some adding up and realised that England have won 12 of their 13 completed ODI internationals so far this year against Pakistan, WI, Australia and SA. Which is not bad for an improving side. I wish the test results could have been as good.

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on September 4, 2012, 16:01 GMT

    Robin Peterson did well with the willow in the last game... might we see a wee knee-jerk jolt up the order for him this game? Duminy or Faf at 3 I reckon instead of Elgar. Steyn bowled amazing last game, like he REALLY wanted his name on the honours board, so expect a bit more from him again. England: good call to move Bopara down the order. He's in bad form but look back at what he did against Aus! 4 wickets and 182 runs in 4 games aint bad! Would love to see Anderson back in amongst the wickets; he's been rather unlucky more than anything else really. Good weather; two great teams; bring it on!

  • sourav619 on September 4, 2012, 15:55 GMT

    looks like now england has started liking ODI cricket because they are winning from the past few series of ODI,not so long ago their fans and players stated that, their interest towards test cricket and t20 is more than ODI. Graeme swann even said that its better if there is only t20 and test cricket,wait for another test series loss and some avg. ODI performances from england by virtue of morgan,cook,bell they will start loving ODI more than test

  • Selassie-I on September 4, 2012, 15:54 GMT

    c'mon cookie, you've not won the toss yetthis series!

  • bumsonseats on September 4, 2012, 15:53 GMT

    what has bopara's quotes on KP got anything to do about englands game against the saffers starting tomorrow . please keep on topic.

  • on September 4, 2012, 15:39 GMT

    I don't understand why SA is pursing with Smith at top of the order. He has been inconsistent and added additional pressure on Amla. Loss of form of the middle order batsman is not helping. Until someone else steps up, only an exceptional innings from Amla or De Velliers will take them to a decent total.

  • bouncedout on September 4, 2012, 15:36 GMT

    Come on England! Eng No1 v SA No2. should be a good game.

    Hope you will be tuning in to see how real teams play cricket RandyOz and Jonesy2

  • neerajprasher on September 4, 2012, 15:17 GMT

    Come on England we r waiting for you guys for INDIA tour.u goin to lose everything hahaha

  • on September 4, 2012, 15:11 GMT

    Man alive by the tone of these articles you would swear England hold ODI's as the pinnacle of the sport.

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  • on September 4, 2012, 15:11 GMT

    Man alive by the tone of these articles you would swear England hold ODI's as the pinnacle of the sport.

  • neerajprasher on September 4, 2012, 15:17 GMT

    Come on England we r waiting for you guys for INDIA tour.u goin to lose everything hahaha

  • bouncedout on September 4, 2012, 15:36 GMT

    Come on England! Eng No1 v SA No2. should be a good game.

    Hope you will be tuning in to see how real teams play cricket RandyOz and Jonesy2

  • on September 4, 2012, 15:39 GMT

    I don't understand why SA is pursing with Smith at top of the order. He has been inconsistent and added additional pressure on Amla. Loss of form of the middle order batsman is not helping. Until someone else steps up, only an exceptional innings from Amla or De Velliers will take them to a decent total.

  • bumsonseats on September 4, 2012, 15:53 GMT

    what has bopara's quotes on KP got anything to do about englands game against the saffers starting tomorrow . please keep on topic.

  • Selassie-I on September 4, 2012, 15:54 GMT

    c'mon cookie, you've not won the toss yetthis series!

  • sourav619 on September 4, 2012, 15:55 GMT

    looks like now england has started liking ODI cricket because they are winning from the past few series of ODI,not so long ago their fans and players stated that, their interest towards test cricket and t20 is more than ODI. Graeme swann even said that its better if there is only t20 and test cricket,wait for another test series loss and some avg. ODI performances from england by virtue of morgan,cook,bell they will start loving ODI more than test

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on September 4, 2012, 16:01 GMT

    Robin Peterson did well with the willow in the last game... might we see a wee knee-jerk jolt up the order for him this game? Duminy or Faf at 3 I reckon instead of Elgar. Steyn bowled amazing last game, like he REALLY wanted his name on the honours board, so expect a bit more from him again. England: good call to move Bopara down the order. He's in bad form but look back at what he did against Aus! 4 wickets and 182 runs in 4 games aint bad! Would love to see Anderson back in amongst the wickets; he's been rather unlucky more than anything else really. Good weather; two great teams; bring it on!

  • Long-Leg on September 4, 2012, 16:12 GMT

    Just done some adding up and realised that England have won 12 of their 13 completed ODI internationals so far this year against Pakistan, WI, Australia and SA. Which is not bad for an improving side. I wish the test results could have been as good.

  • kkk999 on September 4, 2012, 17:10 GMT

    england should try bopara as an opener and allow him to play his natural game...