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There's life after Pietersen - Gooch

Nagraj Gollapudi at Edgbaston

June 7, 2012

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Kevin Pietersen has a chat with Graham Gooch at the WACA, Perth, November 2, 2010
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Graham Gooch, England's batting coach, admitted that Kevin Pietersen's retirement from international limited-overs cricket has opened up a big hole at the top of the batting order, but insisted it is not so huge that it cannot be filled. Gooch, England's leading run-scorer in Test cricket, called Pietersen a "box-office player" but did not criticise the decision to step down from ODIs which has also led to the end of his international Twenty20 career.

"Kevin is a superb player for England in all forms of the game. He is a great entertainer," Gooch said. "He is a box-office player that excites the cricketing public not only in this country, but around the world. So before you ask me, is he going to be missed? Sure he is going to be missed. Any player who is capable of winning a match is going to be missed by a team. But he has to make his own decisions. He is the only one who would be able to give true insight into why he decided to retire from ODI cricket."

In a decision that caught everyone by surprise, Pietersen announced on May 31 that he was stepping away from ODI cricket (and, also, effectively Twenty20 as it is part of the ECB contract to be available for both formats) citing "the intensity of the international schedule and the increasing demands on my body," as one of the main reasons. Gooch did not want to be drawn into the issue of the schedules, which has become a talking point in the recent years with players deciding to give up one form of the game in order to extend their tenures in another version.

What Gooch, though, was certain about was England needed to move forward and there were good batsmen ready to fill in the vacancy left behind by Pietersen. "Life moves on, one door closes and another one opens. So you got to look at from the team point of view as an opportunity for someone else to make his mark, to represent his country, to win games for his country," he said. "I look it as an opportunity for another young player to grab that chance, to take that chance and achieve the highest honour of representing his country. I don't look back, I look forward."

Gooch, himself an opening batsman, was a supporter of Pietersen opening in the one-day game which began at last year's World Cup before resuming against Pakistan in the UAE where he struck back-to-back hundreds in, what ended up becoming, his final two ODIs. "I was always in favour of Kevin Pietersen opening the batting because I'm always in favour putting your best players in one-day and Twenty20 cricket top of the order; give them all the overs to make an impact," he said.

The England selectors will meet over the next few days to select the ODI squad to face West Indies and Gooch believes there are plenty of options on hand to replace Pietersen, picking out the likes of Craig Kieswetter, Jonny Bairstow and Jos Buttler. "The selectors will be meeting probably in the next day or so and formulating who they think is the best option upfront. We have got some exciting young players around: Kieswetter, Bairstow, Buttler are the guys who have been in and around the Lions and the one-day team. They are not new names, but are the guys I see taking England cricket forward over the next few years."

Kieswetter, who started his England career as an opener, was part of the last ODI series England played, in the UAE, but came in as a middle-order batsman after Pietersen's move to open. Buttler, a No.6 at Somerset, has played a solitary ODI (against Pakistan in UAE), but is known in the county arena for his innovative batting methods in Twenty20 cricket.

Bairstow, who has six ODI caps, made his Test debut against West Indies at Lord's but his fraught technique against the short delivery raised eyebrows about whether he was the right candidate to come in at No.6 in Tests. Gooch, one of the best players of fast bowling in the 1980s and 90s, said that it was too early to draw conclusions about Bairstow's technique.

"You don't judge a player on just a few good balls," he said. "I don't think there is any player that has ever played Test cricket hasn't punched one away in front of his face at some stage. Having been there myself, it is not a nice experience. You have to cope with that sort of bowling. I don't think you make judgements on just a short passage of play."

Gooch did not entirely agree with the theory that Bairstow had not faced the likes of Roach in county cricket but highlighted the pressurised surrounds of the international game as a key difference. "One thing that is not there in county cricket you don't get the tension you get in Test cricket, the feeling that you have to succeed because everyone is watching you and you are playing at the highest level. So the pressure is that much more at the highest level. That is something every top player, every top sportsman has to cope with: performing under pressure."

Nagraj Gollapudi is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo

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Posted by   on (June 10, 2012, 21:56 GMT)

@JG2704 - You exactly said what everyone are suspecting regarding KP. I also watched today's match. What was Ramdin thinking when he did that? (I did not like his actions on a lot of counts 1. He took shots against the KING!!! 2. Viv has every right/duty to say that he is not delivering, if Ramdin is not 3. His century has already addressed Viv's concerns 4. The match was a dead rubber and 5. England were not playing their best 11). There is a pattern in KP (only because three weeks before he claims, rightfully though, that he is in the form of his life and then he announces retirement???) and Ramdin incidents, makes you wonder when did commentators become such brutal force that players had to hit back for each of their comments/analysis? Slowly I am getting a feeling that commentators (media) words are having more weight than what should be. I do not think that it is good for the game.

Posted by JG2704 on (June 10, 2012, 16:40 GMT)

@Srinivas Pachari on (June 10 2012, 13:29 PM GMT) To be honest - as I have said before - I don't think this is anything to do with managing the players schedule etc. KP was playing the best cricket he had in a long while (perhaps ever) in the last batch of ODIs/T20s he was playing in UAE so it does seem strange that KP would want to stop playing all formats when he is in such a rich vein of form. Still think it is to do with the fine he recd from the Knight comments. I obviously don't know what goes on behind closed doors but we've not heard that KP has tried to reason with ECB re the schedule - if that was the reason. I do think ECB were wrong to fine him re Knight. Holding said that he thought Ramdin should be fined for his written retort to Viv when he got his 100. What is wrong with a bit of free speech/passion?

Posted by   on (June 10, 2012, 13:29 GMT)

@JG2704 - I agree with your comments. But I am disappointed that ECB chose to look ahead of KP instead of managing him properly.

Posted by rsrinath on (June 10, 2012, 11:07 GMT)

@5womanbats no team can continuosly keep winning.in fact in those tournaments u mentnd in which india lost they had lost many of their first choice players due to injury.the point i am trying to tell is that india are a better ODI unit than england anyday.especially withut KP england dont have chance

Posted by 5wombats on (June 10, 2012, 10:23 GMT)

@rsrinath. India fans raised the subject of England ODI performance calling it "pathetic". Wombats simply reminding India fans of reality. If India were so marvellous they would have beaten Eng, SA, Aus, Zim and Bang. The facts are that they didn't so one can conclude - they aren't.

Posted by JG2704 on (June 10, 2012, 9:58 GMT)

As I have said on a number of occasions , I'm sceptical about KP's official reasons for retiring from the OD/T20 formats. I mean he looked positively rejuvinated during the last batch of ODIs and T20s etc (and compare that to the way and team Eng looked in India) and I'd like to think that KP would have given Eng more warning about retiring. As for the future , who knows. KP is a huge loss , no doubt and esp the form he was in in the last batch. But others have also done well for us in T20s.Obviously fans from other countries have seen little of our up and coming talent. If guys like Buttler, Bairstow, Stokes etc continue their mediocre form in Eng colours then it's not looking good. If however these guys can transfer what they've done for their counties onto the international scene then maybe things don't look so bleak

Posted by JG2704 on (June 10, 2012, 9:44 GMT)

@Srinivas Pachari Comparing 2 batsmen from different eras is a very subjective thing. ACC to the ESPN stats Cook (with 19) has not actually surpassed Gooch's record of 20 test 100s yet. Cook looks like doing it in much quicker time but then you have to also take into account the quality of bowling Gooch will have faced. Would Cook have faced a pace bowling attack of Garner,Holding,Roberts,Croft or the amount of bowlers who have the quality of Hadlee , Mushtaq, Wasim,Waqar, Donald, Lillee , Thompson , etc? Also it could be that Cook is a particularly decent batsman rather than Gooch being not very good. Also of you talk about Gooch's loser life (one o) and this subject is on T20s/ODIs - well Gooch never played a T20 but Eng made it to 2 OD finals in his era and have not done so since

Posted by rsrinath on (June 10, 2012, 5:37 GMT)

@5womanbats" thrashed by SA in SA" if 3-2 loss is a thrashing accordng to you then what will you call england's 5-0 defeat in india?then again "thrashed by sri lnka and aus in aus" for your infrmtn we defeated sl in 2 matches and lost only one(we even chased 320 in 36 odd ovrs).of course we lost to bang in asia cup but in the very next match we bounced back making a mockery of 330 trgt agnst pak.this english team cant even dream of scripting such victories.please don't compare england with the world champions bcos we all know how horrible this england team is in ODI format.espcially england without KP should work hard to earn 'UPSET' victory agnst evenassociate nations in ODI's

Posted by jmcilhinney on (June 10, 2012, 3:31 GMT)

I think that England can still win the the T20 WC because T20 is undoubtedly more open than the two longer forms. That said, the loss of KP will certainly make it less likely. One innings is crucial with much greater frequency in T20. Obviously others will have to step up and England's success will depend on whether they do or not. England don't really have anyone to outright replace KP's explosive potential but that potential hasn't always been fulfilled anyway. If they can fill his spot with a good player and see some improvement form a few others then they will be able to pick up the slack. One key is Kieswetter. He did very little down the order in ODIs while KP opened in UAE. If he opens again and can make some runs and then someone else makes some runs down the order where he was previously then that's accounted for the runs that left with KP.

Posted by sidsway14 on (June 10, 2012, 2:06 GMT)

i agree with nasser hussain..more often than not.. but the question remains.. who are those better teams?? India.. i doubt.. with all the people here in india.. i couldnt find 22yr olds in this cricket team as promising as stokes, taylor, butler, finn, bairstow.. which in itself is the sole reason why i believe england's future in this sport is far from bleak in ALL 3 Formats. people say tht rahane, pujara n tiwary(manoj) are remarkable. i feel pity for those blokes. i dont find a chance of them playing consistently at the top.. specially since our rajya sabha mp has decided to stay in mumbai and attend parliament proceedings flying to delhi whenever he feels like.. australia.. with all due respect to its pedigree of producing wonderful teams n players over the years. i couldnt find young talents to name.. cummins, pattinson has got strides to make before they r classified as finn's level.. considering his exploits in the sub continent. i believe england are contenders 4 the top spot.

Posted by   on (June 9, 2012, 12:32 GMT)

The question is can England win the World Cup 20/20 without KP in Sri Lanka, I do not find any England fan confidently saying YES. I think it is a solid NO. Gooch will definitely say there is life after KP, (maybe he was referring to the looser life he had during his playing time). You want proof, Gooch had the highest number of hundreds in test cricket before Cook surpassed him and the tally was a mere 22 and Cook surpassed it before he even reached 30. ECB should be ranked 1 in people management skills. They are and will be 'streets behind other top ranked ODI teams in shorter formats of the game' (Nasser Hussains words, not mine) for sometime in the future.

Posted by JG2704 on (June 9, 2012, 11:43 GMT)

@ G.Sri on (June 09 2012, 07:48 AM GMT) Quoting stats from as far back as 2006 is the definition of the word desperate or the term straw clutching.

Posted by Srini_Indian on (June 9, 2012, 7:48 GMT)

@5wombats: Let me explain what is pathetic. A team was thrashed 5-0 in ODI by SL in their home, thrashed 6-1 by Aus in 2009 in home and 6-1 in 2011 in Aus, thrashed 5-1 in 2006, 5-0 in 2008, 5-0 in 2011 all against India in India, thrashed by Bangladesh in home in one of the ODIs. A 10 wicket humiliation in 2011 WC QF. Humiliated by Netherlands in Lord's, lol. Now i hope you get what pathetic means. Enjoy!!

Posted by   on (June 9, 2012, 5:42 GMT)

west indies did the right selection to pick Naraine. drop Kirk Edwards.he is out of form and costly to WI.any how try to pick GAYLE.

Posted by Meety on (June 9, 2012, 5:37 GMT)

@Maccanui - lovely!!!!!!!

Posted by sephotrig on (June 8, 2012, 22:04 GMT)

Sure KP may be someone opposition feared, and an excellent one day batsman, but after scoring 3 hundreds in his first 6 ODIs, he went on to score 6 more in 121 matches, from 2009 to 2011 he scored 856 runs at 25.18, so did he really fulfill his ability in ODIs? I reckon England will be in a better position in ODI cricket after the loss of KP, than India will be in test cricket after the loss of Tendulkar, but lets see how they do with out the wall and rock of their batting lineup first.

Posted by JG2704 on (June 8, 2012, 20:15 GMT)

@RyanHarrisGreatCricketer on (June 08 2012, 04:51 AM GMT) RHB is a good shout from what I've seen of him (he has been a pain in the backside vs Somerset) and his Surrey side dominated the CB40s last year. I'm still not that convinced by Cook's OD captaincy. I quite like the look of your side but if we're starting from scratch one change I'd make would be Davies in for Bell and have him opening with his Surrey team mate and have Buttler as an outfield player

Posted by   on (June 8, 2012, 18:46 GMT)

So what? move on there are many English young talented players who are dreaming of having an opportunity to play for England. No individual is better than the Sport.

Posted by whatawicket on (June 8, 2012, 18:29 GMT)

in a rain effected day a few years back, warne said gooch was one of hardest batters that he played against until goochie retired.

Posted by whatawicket on (June 8, 2012, 13:46 GMT)

KP to retire from tests!. i see KP playing test cricket well into his 30s. he wants the record of the # of test runs, even maybe more than money. and he will hold that till cook beats all the english records of runs and 100s.

Posted by voma on (June 8, 2012, 13:37 GMT)

@Viv The King , what on earth are you going on about mate ? . Graham Gooch did play against Shane Warne , and whats more if Goochie played warne when he was a tad younger . He would of knocked him out of the park . On some days . I guess you dont remember the 150 graham scored in Barbados , the day after Kenny Barrington died . Who was bowling that day , oh yeah Marshall , Holding , Walsh and Patterson .

Posted by Mashkoor65 on (June 8, 2012, 13:31 GMT)

The cricketing world had hardly recovered from forced exile of Gayle,that it suffered the big blow in shape of Pietersen retirement,one of the great entertaining batsman in the arena.True that individuals are not bigger than the game but sidelining of such players in not in the interest of the game and the ECB should do something not to lose services of KP in T 20 World Cup.

Posted by Meety on (June 8, 2012, 13:30 GMT)

@jmcilhinney/ landl47 - I think the T20/ODI ruling from the ECB is genuinely about the compatability of the 2 formats & by being available for both formats THEORETICALLY strengthens both squads. Plenty of conspiracy are plausible, but sometimes the most simplest is the closest to the truth. The thing that makes this murky is that there isn't consistancy across the entire National squad - so it leads to more questions. @YorkshirePudding - good optimistism, but inpure ODI terms, he is/was England's best ever batsmen!

Posted by jmcilhinney on (June 8, 2012, 13:22 GMT)

@landl47 on (June 08 2012, 11:43 AM GMT), those assumptions have been shown not to be justified IN KP's case, not BY KP's case. You assume that because KP has chosen not to play either that that means that other players would make the same choice. You may be right or you may be wrong. Most likely it would depend on the player and the circumstances. I'm not making any judgements about the effectiveness of the ECB's position but only the logic. If there were 10 players who wanted to make that choice and 5 decided to play both and 5 decided to play neither then would you consider that a win or a loss? Also, you talk about the need to ensure players want to play ODIs but I'm not sure that I agree with your black and white assessment. Not that long ago Graeme Swann said that he didn't think that ODIs should be played at all. Do you doubt his commitment when playing ODIs as a result? If a player hates ODIs then that's one thing but do you think KP hates ODIs?

Posted by Maccanui on (June 8, 2012, 13:20 GMT)

Hear hear. There are plenty more saffas where KP came from. Onwards and upwards old chaps, jolly good.

Posted by JG2704 on (June 8, 2012, 13:14 GMT)

As I've said before , I don't think it has much to do with scheduling etc. I feel alot has to do with the Knight fine and the perceived lack of loyalty ECB showed KP re that. It just seems that he has gone from relishing playing for England in all formats to being ready to give up 2 formats. I still think ECB could be more flexible with ODI/T20 contracts for the 3 (now 2) who play all 3 formats and not just because of KP but because I feel it could hamper form of Broad and Swann etc. I must admit I feel this really hampers our chances of progress in T20s and ODIs as KP is one of those players like SA with AB , WI with Gayle etc who has that aura about him where you always feel anything is possible while he's there. I also feel (and hope I'm wrong) that there will be further fallout whereby in the next year or so KP will retire from Eng duty in tests too.

Posted by JG2704 on (June 8, 2012, 13:14 GMT)

@rk0007 -Just a few points to pick you upon. Re Eng always being a pathetic ODI side. Well , in the 80s/90s they were in 2 finals - the second vs Pak - Pak would not have qualified had rain not hampered the group match with Eng. And in that last WC when Bangladesh (who have recently proven to be a decent side when knocking India out of Asia cup) and Ireland (whereby one guy played an inns of a lifetime) beat us , we did draw against hosts/eventual winners (in their home country) India and beat 2nd in the world SA. Yes we were poor vs SL and woeful in the last India series but 4-0 vs Pak in UAE wasn't too bad. On our day we can be decent but we doo have too many woeful days. Also KP has been a crucial member of our T20 side which has been quite consistent as the rankings reflect

Posted by 5wombats on (June 8, 2012, 13:08 GMT)

@rk0007. Very funny. So - what do you call this then; thrashed by Zimbabwe in Zimbabwe twice. Thrashed in South Africa. Thrashed in England. Thrashed by SL and Aus in Aus. Thrashed in the Asia cup by Bang and didn't even make the final. That's the recent India Odi away record. Now @rk0007 - what were you saying about "pathetic"? Please publish.

Posted by voma on (June 8, 2012, 12:56 GMT)

Kevin Pietersen is Not bigger than the England team , thats for sure . Well said Goochie , its time for someone new to step up to the plate . Up until the series against Pakistan , Pietersons record in ODIs was very average . Lets bring in new faces , who dont have huge ego s .

Posted by   on (June 8, 2012, 12:06 GMT)

Has KP's retirement anything to do with his statement during IPL 2012 that he is enjoying every moment and his fellow Englishmen are jealous of it. There seems to be a lot of dirt under the carpet.

Posted by landl47 on (June 8, 2012, 11:43 GMT)

@jmcilhinney: the problem with your analysis is that it makes the same assumptions as the ECB's rule, namely, that telling players they can't play international T20s is a deterrent to them dropping out of ODIs. and that somehow there is a benefit to the ECB from banning players who want to play only a combination of tests/T20Is from playing T20Is. These assumptions have obviously been shown not to be justified by KP's case and the result is that England are weaker in T20Is without gaining anything in ODIs. Frankly, if anyone thinks that telling players they must play a format which they don't want to play is going to lead to effort and commitment, they don't know the first thing about management. If the ECB wants to save ODIs, it must ensure the players WANT to play, not threaten them with consequences if they don't. It's from that perspective that the rule makes no sense.

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on (June 8, 2012, 11:41 GMT)

Don't mean to sound mean but I honestly would love the prospect of KP playing for India. Entire India loves him and respects him. At least he plays in India in IPL. Thanks to KP, a gem of a cricketer and a no nonsense human.

Posted by MAK123 on (June 8, 2012, 11:31 GMT)

Give James Taylor of Nothinghamshire another 6 months and you would not be missing KP. Taylor has an air of reliability about him, something that KP always missed. Anyone who has seen Taylor in a Hants vs Notts match recently smashing a century woudl know what I am talking about.

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (June 8, 2012, 11:15 GMT)

@VivTheKing, you forget about KP's issues with Left arm spin.

Posted by applethief on (June 8, 2012, 11:05 GMT)

@whatawicket This overlooks the fact that many England players submitted themselves for IPL auction, yet almost all of them failed to attract any bids (KP, Azhar Mahmood and Eoin Morgan being some of the very few exceptions). Whether it's for scheduling reasons, or that IPL franchises don't rate English players highly in T20, it doesn't change the fact that they all want a slice of the pie. And the transience of the T20 rankings is not to be underestimated - it's no coincidence that they were only released when England were on top, when in fact all the major teams had played enough games for rankings to be published much earlier (when England most definitely would not have been on top). And it speaks volumes that had England lost just 1 T20 after the rankings were released, against India at Eden Gardens, they would have slipped to 3rd. Rankings in T20 aren't a good basis to make a claim on a volatile game, it will be better if England can replicate their success in the T20WC

Posted by sidsway14 on (June 8, 2012, 10:52 GMT)

kudos to gooch!! thts how you deal with the larger than life players who thinks they can do what they like.. a year back this wouldnt have been a debate bcos there was a slump in kevin pietersen's form.. right now, its a different situation.. i loved his batting and will again enjoy him play.. but we'll move on.. to see stokes, bairstow and taylor fill atleast 80 percent of his boots.. whatever the case is.. this is not as serious a crime sachin tendulkar is doing.. destroying new generations without retiring.. anyway.. team england will move up.. thanks to a good system.. cheers..

Posted by Mayan820 on (June 8, 2012, 10:48 GMT)

Its always easy to say . . . "One player doesn't make a team", but it is only words, after all. If this one player is KP, who, on his own, has turned several international as well as domestic T20 matches on its head and won it for his team, these words, although true, do lose quite a lot of its power. KP is the one English T20 player who, one feels, could counter balance C. Gayle's ability to make nonsense of any bowling attack. Without him there it is quite simply advantage West Indies in the T20 internationals, not necessarily so in the ODI's .If England can, somehow, remove Gayle within the first 25 odd balls of his ODI innings, one feels that they (Eng.) have a fighting chance to win, otherwise I don't think so.

Posted by whatawicket on (June 8, 2012, 10:34 GMT)

jimmy2s the reason england lost against WI was their lack of interest in that competition. if money was england only consideration they would have been looking at IPL deals people seem to forget they are the #1 team and WC winners in T20.

Posted by whatawicket on (June 8, 2012, 10:20 GMT)

with KP he thinks that he can pick and choose what he wants to do, at a time that suits him. who in their right mind would say a few month before a WC what he did. he should have played in all the games T20 and odis and told the england management what he wanted to do. why do we have to read on his twitter / facebook his thinking before his bosses. he should remember he is 1 of 11 in a team. do not get me wrong he is a great cricketer and good to watch. but he thinks he should be treated better than his team mates. most on these forums think that the player can be bigger than the sum of all the parts.

Posted by T.R.GHANCHI on (June 8, 2012, 10:13 GMT)

KP you were the real boss in the cricketing world. I would have KP rather then Tendulkar or Dravid. KP got class and swag that no other cricketer has at this very moment. Englad will surely miss KP and so will the rest of the world.

Posted by   on (June 8, 2012, 9:58 GMT)

Even after Bradman there was life, with sobers exit the game didn't cease neither it came to an halt when king Richards retire. And the same is the story with Warne, Murali, Mcgrath and Wasim and Hadlee as well. KP was/is not amongst their ranks yet and no wonder there would be life after him. Certainly there is and there would always be because it's the game that is bigger than players. As simple as this! But by such huge statement KP's pre-mature retirement can't be overlooked because it's the bitter fact that there is still hell of the cricket left in him, probably more than any1 in England for he's one of the finest batsmen at today's date, all over the world and the void created by his 'sudden' retirement is too big to be filled, in fact, I believe there is no one who can fill his boots. Enuff said!!!

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (June 8, 2012, 9:57 GMT)

@rk0007, and yet Held India (the eventual winners) to a Tied match.

Posted by Purana_Pirate on (June 8, 2012, 9:19 GMT)

Didnt Gooch get rid of Gower too?

Perhaps Gooch cant stand batsmen more talented than him.. haha.

Posted by VivTheKing on (June 8, 2012, 9:17 GMT)

Gooch remember warne? Could you ever face a over of his bowling during your prime days? As warne about pieterson. Pieterson is a a terrific player against all medium of attack be is spin or pace. To find a player of his calibre is like finding a replacement for a sachin/ Don.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (June 8, 2012, 8:22 GMT)

I've seen lots of people comment here and on similar stories that they don't understand the ECB's position but, quite frankly, even if you don't agree with their position, a child could understand it with a modicum of effort. Why do the ECB allow players to play just Test cricket and yet lump ODIs and T20Is together? Because the ECB consider Test cricket to be, in cricketing terms at least, more important than the other two combined. Why will the ECB not let a player play only T20Is? Because, of the three forms, ODIs are the most vulnerable and, if allowed to do what they want, their is a danger that a reasonable number of players will choose T20Is only, thereby weakening ODIs to the point where they become farcical and international boards have no choice but to drop the format. You see? Easy to understand if you try. Again, I'm not saying that you necessarily have to agree, but the reason is fairly obvious to me.

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (June 8, 2012, 6:54 GMT)

As we say in England "The King is Dead, Long live the King!!". Will England miss him for ODI's and T20i's, yes theres no doubt, but every player leaves the crease for the last time at some point, and so England now have a chance to move on with the ODI and T20i squads. There are other players besides Bairstow and Buttler, you also have Hales, Taylor, and Hildreth, and a few others that may well be able tofill the role.

Posted by   on (June 8, 2012, 6:53 GMT)

No way england can win anymore.... Its KP who always played... KP... we would love to see you in IPL.

Posted by Min2_cric on (June 8, 2012, 6:49 GMT)

KP cannot be replaced too easily...if it was so easy to replace him as a batter, there wont be any shocks when we heard KP's retirement.

Posted by   on (June 8, 2012, 6:28 GMT)

KP will surely be missed but yes England has to find the suitable replacement and I don't think Kieswetter,Bairstow or Buttler would fill the spot completely they should bring something new! how about James Taylor?

Posted by   on (June 8, 2012, 5:30 GMT)

k.p u r a legenddddd... u will b sorely missed by all cricketing fraternity.u r maa idol u r a box office,plzzzzzzzzzz kev plzzzzzzzzz cum backk AGAIN

Posted by   on (June 8, 2012, 5:10 GMT)

Jos Buttler should be the replacement!

This should XI

Cook, Hales or Kieswetter, Trott, Buttler, Bairstow, Stokes, Bopara, Bresnan, Broad, Swann, Anderson or Finn

Posted by RyanHarrisGreatCricketer on (June 8, 2012, 4:51 GMT)

Get Rory Hamilton-Brown from surrey as odi captain: he is a born leader and enterprising batsman. Though Cook scored lots of runs in asia he is not the sort of player who can seize the initiative. This is Eng Best xi: Rory Hamilton-Brown, Ian Bell, Ben Stokes, Ravi Bopara, Eoin Morgan, Jos Buttler(wk), Samit Patel, Tim Bresnan, Graeme Swann, Stuart Broad , Jade Dernbach

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on (June 8, 2012, 3:40 GMT)

Many members out here know that I am an ardent admirer of Dravid and Kallis. Here it from me. I am willing to trade 5 Dravids and 5 Kallises to have one KP in my team. KP is one in a million. Is Gooch out of his mind to talk something like this about KP? And to even suggest that little Jonny boy or Buttler or Keiswetter as his imaginable replacements is downright hilarious! Now I have a terrible side strain, courtesy Goochy boy...OUUCCHHH.....

Posted by satish619chandar on (June 8, 2012, 3:15 GMT)

@landl47 : KP walked out not only because of the schedule actually.. He could have done it after the T20 WC if he is really cared about the schedule stuff ONLY.. The going on EGO between ECB and KP just lead to this fall out.. Even in last ODI series win, KP had a great role to play as the opener.. He had a great impact on the series.. Bairstow and JCB can always be fringe players but not as someone like KP.. They need to have some serious upgrading to replace one of this class.. A Bopara was not able to do what Trott did easily.. Adapt to the higher stage.. There lies a massive hole for the English team.. Great that they can atleast have KP in their test squad.. Will the ego of ECB allow them to retain KP for tests in case he fails for a couple or wipe him off and have a new replacement there too?

Posted by   on (June 8, 2012, 2:55 GMT)

Damn right there is life after Pietersen! Most over-rated English player since Flintoff! England had some terrific players in the 90's who were competing a very intense and immensely trying circumstances and far superior opposition but were not as hyped up as current players....the likes of Gooch, Lamb, Gower, Robin Smith, Atherton, Stewart, Thorpe, hussain. These were true greats. Not Pieterson.

Posted by applethief on (June 8, 2012, 1:52 GMT)

Pietersen is, and always has been, a mercenary cricketer - I see nothing wrong with him doing what he wishes in order to maximise his earning potential. It's England's loss, not Pietersen's at all. Other players may have different priorities, but as his are IPL and Champion's League, then that's his bag. And I wouldn't be surprised to see him in England colours in the future, if the money's right - just look at the slew of England players who turned their backs on T20 when it started, yet miraculously became the biggest advocates of the game when a certain Mr. Stanford showed up on the scene

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on (June 8, 2012, 1:08 GMT)

Buttler and little Jonny boy for KP ( O _ O )?! Easily the best joke!

Posted by Lmaotsetung on (June 8, 2012, 0:17 GMT)

Life goes on...England moved on from Flintoff and they'll move on from KP. Gives Bopara the chance to bat higher. Maybe an Essex opening pair would not be a bad idea.

Posted by Alexk400 on (June 8, 2012, 0:15 GMT)

There is only one star in England team. That is pieterson. But strauss is a good leader. England is an example that is to win you do not need star but great leader and lots of role players. MJ won 6 championship because Phil jackson could able to convince others play their roles until 4th quarter then MJ takes over.Give the damn ball to mj at 4th quarter that was the role for all role players. England winning wothout any real stars. But its easy to win in home court. Aussiie trounced india also. England biggest test is winning in india. In ODI england can not win because they lacks the STAR all rounder. ODI you need strong lower middle order to win any games.

Posted by   on (June 7, 2012, 23:33 GMT)

You can find your Bairstow's and Buttler's, but a KP is a KP. Best of luck replacing such a great player in such great form!

Posted by   on (June 7, 2012, 23:25 GMT)

IN OTHER WORDS KP DON'T WANNA MISS OUT ON THE IPL!!!!!!!!!

Posted by   on (June 7, 2012, 23:25 GMT)

KP has his eyes on the IPL like most of the "hard hitting batsmen" in world cricket today .You make serious money for only 20/20 overs of play . what more can you ask for .Looking forward to seeing you at the IPL ....... KP.

Posted by   on (June 7, 2012, 20:10 GMT)

I may be wrong, but what I think may have happened is that KP asked for time off just when the ECB were counting on him to cash in heavily, so they said "no" and he simply called their bluff. Just like Gayle, he'll be back as soon as the ECB feel they can reinstate him without losing face.

Posted by landl47 on (June 7, 2012, 19:59 GMT)

Both parties are at fault in the KP situation. KP walked away without, apparently, even discussing how his schedule could be managed. The ECB has a rule which doesn't make any sense- why must a player commit to playing both shorter formats, but can decide to play only tests? If it's meant to deter players from choosing to play only T20, why not just simply say an England cricketer must be available to play all formats or he cannot have a central contract? The pity is that after a period when he really wouldn't have been missed, KP had just started to play well again in the ODI format. @srivatsan: I guess you missed England's last ODI series, when they whitewashed Pakistan 4-0 in the UAE. I didn't notice any 'lack of heart' there.

Posted by Nadeem1976 on (June 7, 2012, 18:36 GMT)

I don't understand ECB stance about T2020 cricket. KP just won WC two years ago and now he cannot play T2020 cricket because of worthless law made by ECB.

This is so sad that ECB lost their WC hero just because of a law which they can change any time. What's wrong in playing only T2020 cricket at all. Why ECB is putting ODI and T2020 in same category.

I don't see 1% chance of england retaining their WC in sri lanka after losing KP and i am sure. It's really big loss and bad law.

Posted by srivatsan on (June 7, 2012, 18:25 GMT)

England will never be a good ODI team. It's not because of lack of talent, it's that they show lack of heart in this form of the game.

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