England v West Indies, 3rd Test, Edgbaston, 4th day

Ramdin regrets attack on Richards

Denesh Ramdin, the West Indies wicketkeeper-batsman, marked his second Test century by brandishing a piece of paper criticising the former West Indies captain Viv Richards.

Nagraj Gollapudi at Edgbaston

June 10, 2012

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Viv Richards bowed to no one. His opponents, mostly bowlers, often paid obeisance to him. They did so not only out of respect but also out of fear that he might hit back powerfully with bat in hand. Denesh Ramdin now knows the feeling.

Ramdin, the West Indies wicketkeeper-batsman, after reaching his second Test century, reacted by unfolding a plain white sheet of paper from his trouser pocket on which was scribbled in capital words "YEH, VIV, TALK NAH." It was a retort to Richards' scathing assessment of his deteriorating form after he had managed only 51 runs and kept wicket inconsistently in the first two Tests.

At the end of the day's play, though, an embarrassed Ramdin admitted he had gone overboard and that his statement, which he had prepared on Saturday morning, was an "emotional" one.

"Sir Viv had something in the press," he said. "I think I got a bit emotional and it came out the way it did. He is a legend of the Caribbean. I still look up to him. If I see him anywhere I will still call him out and probably have a drink with him."

Richards, a former West Indies captain, who is in England as a radio commentator, had lost his patience with Ramdin, whose scores in the series read 1, 43, 1 and 6 respectively. This from a man who had promised at least three fifties and possibly even a century before leaving the Caribbean.

"I can't remember the statement quite clearly, but it was a bit hurtful to me," Ramdin said. "I went to the nets, worked hard, came out and proved myself to the critics."

When Ramdin does walk up to Richards to apologise, he had better do it from a safe distance because Richards seems miffed at being dragged into an unnecessary incident.

"I am the one who touted him as a future captain for West Indies and always thought of him as good but his form had dipped quite recently and I addressed those issues," Richards told ESPNcricinfo. "I questioned his ability because he had lost his confidence and thereby lost his shape."


Denesh Ramdin has a message to broadcast on getting to his ton, England v West Indies, 3rd Test, Edgbaston, 4th day, June 10, 2012
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Richards said Ramdin's emotive gesture after reaching the century was unnecessary, especially because West Indies have already lost the series.

"It is like being in a football match and your team is losing 5-0 and up comes a guy, scores a goal and starts jumping out of joy.

"He has played well and if you're given enough chances you're going to get it done. He should be happy and humble. I think I remember saying he'd lost his confidence, but I'm on the other side of the fence now and I'm here to do a job - there's no sentiment in it. I'm glad that he got the motivation from it. Let's not forget this is in a losing cause -- the team's not winning."

Opinion is growing that Ramdin should be disciplined. Michael Holding said Ramdin had gone down in his estimation and called for the Trinidadian to be given a dressing down and fined. By now Ramdin, recalled to the West Indies squad after a two-year absence, will have recognised that his reaction overshadowed the quality of his second Test century.

He also scored his maiden Test century against England, in a high-scoring draw in Barbados. West Indies played 29 Tests between then and the start of the England tour; Ramdin missed 18 of those. At 27, he is one of the most experienced player in the West Indies squad.

Marlon Samuels had raised a solid platform on Saturday with a brilliant fifty, but his departure, an over before the second new ball was taken late in the evening, gave England the required opening to widen the cracks. Ramdin, who had been emboldened quickly by Samuels during their crucial 56-run sixth-wicket partnership, took on the onus of shepherding the lower order.

Even Ramdin would not have been prepared for the fairy tale that Tino Best was scripting at the other end.

"It was amazing the way that Tino came out and played. He played some unbelievable shots. I did not think he had those shots in his armoury. He expressed himself. That's the way Tino plays."

Best not only listened to his senior batsman, he kept the atmosphere lighthearted and helped Ramdin to relax. "He kept saying: 'Keep going, big dog. You go out there, you get your 100 and then you bat with me to get my 50.' I told him I'll be there when he gets his hundred but unfortunately he got carried away and he didn't get there."

There was one other man who got carried away and Ramdin knows to his detriment who that is. His statement will no doubt make the cricket book of infamous quotes. Richards might go on to pardon him but each time Ramdin takes to the crease, he needs to deliver. If he fails, someone out there will be ready with a paper displaying the words: "YEH, DENESH, TALK NAH!"

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Posted by everfaithful77 on (June 13, 2012, 8:24 GMT)

Ramdin himself admitted that Richards' comments MOTIVATED him to go into the nets and practise harder resulting in a beautifully constructed century. SO WHY THE RETORT AT VIV ? Instead he should have been THANKING the Windies great for the criticism which has spurred him into action and yielded positive results already with more to come we hope. Ramdin could've figured that his POOR FORM in the first two tests wouldn't go unnoticed by cricket writers and commentators so why the response to Richards' comments. It doesn't make much sense to me. He must know that his future performances will always be under scrutiny and critic but he must answer with his BAT and GLOVES.

Posted by   on (June 12, 2012, 19:31 GMT)

This is the same man who almost destroyed Marlon Samuels. Why was Ramdin fined? Richard's likening the innings to a consolation goal was even worse and uncalled for. Give credit where credit is due we could easily have folded for 160. Sometimes we seem to have short memories how disciplined was Sir Viv during his playing days? Viv Richards is not God neither is Denesh Ramdin and at the end of the day........... a man is just a man!

Posted by Alexk400 on (June 12, 2012, 16:11 GMT)

Ramdin reaction was immature he should be fined mainly because we do not want players doing these obscene celebration. That said his century is very good. The greats sehwag , sachin and VVS failed to score anything in England in 4 tests. Ramdin did fight to save West indies from going 3-0 down.

Posted by Nampally on (June 12, 2012, 12:56 GMT)

I feel Ramdin's outpouring via his poster was bit childish & immature. His century itself was a strong rebuttal to Viv Rishards' comments.Actions speak louder than the words & his century was an excellent response to all his critics. Why did he have to spoil it with such unwanted deliquincy? Sun shines brightly satisfying the needs of millions whilst the tempest blows noisily destroying anything in its past.Ramadin, please don't act like tempest & self destroy yourself. Humility is the greatest virtue!.

Posted by   on (June 12, 2012, 12:52 GMT)

Totally stupid action... what will happen when he goes out to bat next game and make a small score?....Viv was the one who suggested that Ramdin was a future captain of WI team...Viv is paid to do commentary...Ramdin is paid to play cricket and perform ...so perform consistantly, thatz the bottom line. you can't perform poor and expect people to not talk about it!!!

Posted by   on (June 12, 2012, 11:10 GMT)

I can't believe some of these comments! What Ramdin did was pathetic. The difference is that Viv is paid for his opinions, and Ramdin certainly isn't. Ramdin is paid to keep wicket and bat, and he usually doesn't do the latter very well.

Posted by NumberXI on (June 12, 2012, 10:59 GMT)

Ramdin's reaction may not have been very mature - and it has cost him 20% of his match fee. But the outpouring of love for Richards is a bit strange. Ramdin has not expressed anger at Richards the cricketer. Instead his ire is directed at Richards in his role as commentator. In that sense, Richards is not more immune to criticism than every other commentator. Making this out to be an issue between a great cricketer - which Richards undeniably is - and a good one is not quite right. This is about a cricketer vs a commentator, even if the latter is Richards.

Posted by Balumekka on (June 12, 2012, 7:38 GMT)

For me Ramdin's reaction is 100% justifiable as he neither did show any arrogance, neither did insult Sir Viv, neither he used foul language. If any big mouth can criticize players from outside, why can't players respond to them with this sort of non-violent manner. Sir Viv is a legend, but being a legend does not provide any license or authority to criticize others in a destructive manner.

Posted by   on (June 11, 2012, 22:47 GMT)

He talked for Viv, Viv does not need to. Amateur.

Posted by nafzak on (June 11, 2012, 22:07 GMT)

What Ramdin did may be silly and stupid. Lots of players do and say silly stuff. What he did not do is insult anyone. How is this offensive to Viv? All Ramdin did was talk back with a piece of paper that had not one offensive words. If the ICC is going to fine a player for something like this, then what about the commentators who say negative things about players all the time. Boycott had called Afridi a 'stupid' cricketer with 'no brains'. I agree with Boycott, but does that not count as insulting? Why is it okay for a commentator to say something negative about a player (true as it may be) and it's not okay for the player to say, "Well, I'll show you, how about this now, what do you have to say? Is this not basically what Ramdin did? This matter should be a non issue. How about the ICC imposing a fine on those commentators who openly said that Shiv is a selfish player? Now, that's an insult in my book.

Posted by JG2704 on (June 11, 2012, 21:35 GMT)

@Scott Robbins on (June 11 2012, 12:19 PM GMT) I think you're right in that DR could have put up a different message , but I also think Viv's response was extremely poor. Saying the innings was meaningless - likening it to scoring a consolation goal in football after having 5 scored against you. Even if you thought it was insignificant (and coming in at 150-5 and seeing the side to a post 400 total when a score of around 200 less looked likely is not meaningless in my eyes) surely Viv could have stood by his original comments but said "well done for today's inns , now go and prove that I'm wrong about you?" I honestly found Viv's comms about Ramdin's ton being "Meaningless" as at best unhelpful

Posted by mraviteja on (June 11, 2012, 21:16 GMT)

Its just like Dinesh Karthik scoring a test hundred and guestering Sunny bhai dont say anything on my batting ability..:)

Posted by   on (June 11, 2012, 19:12 GMT)

Sometimes such criticism helps to bring out the best in you, remember when Ganguly got back in the Indian Team in 2006 for SA tour, he struck 80 odd runs in the practice match & 51* in the 1st test.... Hopefully, this is a new beginning for Ramdin, he has shown he can do it, the question is.. how consistently ??

Posted by SoLucien on (June 11, 2012, 17:00 GMT)

Ramdin good you score more hundreds. Didnt much like your note to Viv but hey you are you're own you can do what you want. The likes and Viv and Holding criticisms come across as harsh sometimes but i know they want the best for west indies cricket. Denesh i hope, for your sake, that this thing doesnt come back and bite you where it hurts. You have attracted unwanted attention and ridicule for a wonderfully crafted innings.

Posted by cric_fan_ on (June 11, 2012, 16:36 GMT)

it wasn't a spontaneous or brave act from Ramdin, it was planned, he must have wrote that the evening before of yesterday morning, so the outburst was planned well and he had plenty of time to think and change his mind if he wanted which he didn't. If he was so keen to answer to Sir Viv why didn't he did yesterday morning or day before that when he came to bat, he could have displayed a paper saying "I am going to answer you Viv with my bat", that would have been some solid answering, a man declaring in advance that he is going to scrore a century and then doing so to prove his point but NAH he didn't do that he just waited to first score the century then display the sheet, nobody would have known about it if he hadn't scored the century, score Sir Viv 1, Ramdin 0. Also why isn't he motivated to play and win for his country rather than needing somebody to critisize him to get him motivated.. bad for WI team I'd say

Posted by Cricket_Man on (June 11, 2012, 15:58 GMT)

Come on people give Ramdin a break. Yes it was wrong of him to do that but the MAIN thing is that he realized his mistake. If he doesn't score he is criticized, if he scores he is criticized, what do you want from the guy? This attitude of fans and retired cricketers will dent his confidence and will to perform. We should not make an issue out of it (as he realized his mistake) and should PRAISE him NOT ONLY FOR HIS KNOCK BUT ALSO FOR HIM CARRYING THE TAIL ALONG. Well played Ramdin. Keep working hard and keep on performing. From a Pakistani who is a TRUE FAN OF WEST INDIES CRICKET TO DATE.

Posted by Amerie on (June 11, 2012, 15:40 GMT)

I watched the game yesterday and was so happy for Ramdin and Tino but when I saw what he Ramdin did I was like "Really". How dear him disrepect our legend Sir Viv. Plus himself and Best were using curse words towards the English players come on guys don't take our cricket to that level. Contain your emotions and I think Ramdin should humble himself and apologies to Sir Viv. Come on West Indies cricket team lets bring our game back to were it use to be. Chirs am happy to know you are back on the side now lets all get along and work together as a team. Good luck on the up coming ODI and also your series against New Zealand. Win or Lose Die hard WI fan.

Posted by   on (June 11, 2012, 15:09 GMT)

I don't see this issue one way or the other. I mean WI cricketers in recent times have had to endure a lot of criticism, a lot more than the cricketers from the 70's and 80''s. Cricketers are human beings, have feelings and sometimes theydo get hurt. I am more about letting this one die a natural death as long as this guy talks it over, regrets his willful action and tells viv that there are no hard feelings. Funny how Mickey wants fines and disciplinary action etc for disrespect but on the CG issue felt that he had nothing to apologize for because he was expressing his feelings.

Posted by   on (June 11, 2012, 14:50 GMT)

Classy response by Sir Viv. The current batch of underachieving players don't recognize positive criticism and have no respect or appreciation for advice from the achievers. Holding is right to call for a dressing down and a fine. just out of interest though, did Holding get a dressing down and a fine when he kicked over the stumps during a test match in New Zealand?

Posted by kantipur on (June 11, 2012, 14:39 GMT)

Nice to see passion from the westindies players. Of course what ramdin did was wrong. But what Richards said later on by giving football analogy was equally wrong. Richards could have easily said " ramdin played well and hope he continue to play well". But Richards tried to downplay Ramdins innings.

Posted by sk12 on (June 11, 2012, 14:38 GMT)

What Ramdin did was quite amateurish.. all players get criticized at some stage of their careers. That should only make the players work harder and prove them wrong, and not hold out childish mesages like this. Does he mean no one should question his form or technique, no matter how poorly he performs? Well atleast sanity preavailed over him now and he apologized.

Posted by   on (June 11, 2012, 14:32 GMT)

It is not what u do, it's how u do it. Yes Ram was hurt by the comments, but he has only himself to blame. He wasn't performing as we know he could. His century is the Ramdin we know & want to see much more of. However, I admire him for admitting that he made a mistake. It takes a big man so to do. And that is the 1st step to mending the fence. After all, regardless of what u think, Sir Viv a WI legend,hero, whatever u choose to call him, he made us proud. Respect due!

Posted by   on (June 11, 2012, 14:21 GMT)

Who cares really, the guy had some pent up frustration that he let out (probably at the wrong guy) after a strong display with the bat. Lets move on now shall we?

Posted by flang on (June 11, 2012, 13:59 GMT)

All legends are "the untouchables"? i dont agree with that. hope this was his lunching pad, because if he dont perform, they"ll be talking about him for a while. one thing for sure he's no longer a nobody.

Posted by gandabhai on (June 11, 2012, 13:47 GMT)

what does Sir Viv mean by 'IN A LOSING CAUSE ' . Come on mate , just because Viv had the best bowling attack ever on his side , so he was bound to have played in more WINNING CAUSES .When Windes were at their best it was because of their Brilliant bowling & fielding unit as well as their VERY GOOD not Brilliant batting unit .It was the bowlers who intimidated the opposition FIRST and Viv made out as if the intimidation was all because of him . Put Viv in the Windies team of the last 10years and i bet he would not have developed THAT swagger .

Posted by SuperSharky on (June 11, 2012, 13:34 GMT)

My Dad also had some negative comments towards Ramdin's batting form, before his century in this Test. But Ramdin doesn't respect my Dad's view like he respects Viv's view. My Dad's view can't hurt Ramdin, cause Ramdin doesn't care what my Dad says. I just wish that Sir Vivian Richards had motivated Ramdin earlier, then West Indies could maybe had a better chance of winning the series. Now I just wish that our Legend Sir Viv Richards start motivating Darren Bravo, cause he is also out of touch. I would love to see Darren Bravo also writing a note for Sir Viv after his next century. Come On Viv, you've got the power to motivate your beloved West Indies. It worked with Ramdin, now it's Darren's turn.

Posted by Principle on (June 11, 2012, 13:24 GMT)

Ramdin has now put himself under some unnecessary pressure. From now on, every time he walks out to bat he will be highly scrutinized by every cricketing fan the world over. The present crop of WI cricketers seem to be quite sensitive of criticism. Every sportsman undergoes this, no one is immune to it. Next time leave the note in your pocket and let your bat do the talking.

Posted by keptalittlelow on (June 11, 2012, 13:15 GMT)

Sad to see him destroying his hard work like this.

Posted by whatawicket on (June 11, 2012, 12:58 GMT)

its only words and like most old cricketers it was always better in their days. its a pity the WK was not brave enough to speak to him man 2 man. as to Richards, hes allowed to speak his mind. he should know been the the greatest modern day batter

Posted by 777aditya on (June 11, 2012, 12:46 GMT)

everyone knows how long WI in general and Ramdin in particular have failed to impress, so this was more of an emotional outburst. I dont think Ramdin or for that matter anyone in the cricketing world has it in him to miff Richards. Being the great man that he is, I am sure Richards will excuse Ramdin for this silly actions

Posted by monisri on (June 11, 2012, 12:37 GMT)

Sir Viv was different class and the quality of his batting is not to be seen in this team. His comments on Ramdin was perhaps for motivational reasons and this guy Ramdin has stepped the line clearly and must be disciplined. If not it will create a precedent for others to take chits in the centre, every time they get to a 100 or 5 for wkts. Let these cricketers take the comments of past legends to showcase their talents with the bat and ball in the middle. The cricketers should keep their personal feelings off the ground. Commentators are there to comment on various aspects of the game. Just not what is happenning in the arena as everyone watching it knows bit of it. ~MoniSri~

Posted by mahjut on (June 11, 2012, 12:35 GMT)

probably a mistake by Ramdin but only because he now has to REALLY perform - Viv has the upper hand being a commentator and being able to wait until he performs badly again ... and despite Viv's poor footballing analogy (far closer to the mark is gesturing to the press office - as many have done), he WILL get another chance to have a pop, Ramdin is not consistent enough and will hit another low. but, good on him this time - yes, it's a draw in a dead rubber but Finn, Onions - both who've played a fair bit for England - had a lot to prove and Ramdin proved better. I guess the short version is i agree with Reagan (below) ultimately neither did anything that bad and it worked out for WI ... moving on....

Posted by   on (June 11, 2012, 12:19 GMT)

Wow, i had no idea that current players can be so over-sensitive. First there was KP's over-reaction to Nick Knight via twitter, now this. Richards was simply telling it as he saw it and for all the ability that Ramdin has, it's fair to say that he has under-achieved for all the promise that he's shown. Ramdin is well within his rights to retort to any criticism he feels is unjust, but it's the way he went about it, that made him appear to be insecure and petty. He could've sarcastically wrote for example: "Thank you Sir Viv for your negative comments, but i was determined to prove you wrong." Also i feel that Ramdin's achievements were used as a comparison to other keepers around the world and how their stats measured-up and the much bigger contributions they brought to their respective teams. 'ranpath' showed some interesting stats of WI keepers past, but the difference is during most of Richards' era of playing, they were the number one team in the world.

Posted by   on (June 11, 2012, 12:14 GMT)

Ramdin is no where to chalenge Sir Viv and dont think he'll ever will be... this act was really silly and stupid.. WI is the most weekest team at the moment and when vivs was there they are the best.. This shows his stupidity nothing else....

Posted by Outswinging on (June 11, 2012, 12:09 GMT)

Rather than being upset with Sir Vivian, it would have been a better approach to seek out Sir Vivian's counsel. Regardless of the performance of his predecessors, Ramdin's current body of work is quite paltry and speaks to a need for greater application. Ramdin needs to take a good introspective account, accept Sir Viv's frank comments and build from a more productive future. Fully agree with Michael Holding that this type of unprofessional behaviour should not be tolerated. As such, the WICB should immediately discipline Mr. Ramdin.

Posted by realproudtrini on (June 11, 2012, 11:45 GMT)

If he fails, someone out there will be ready with a paper displaying the words: "YEH, DENESH, TALK NAH!"

I was there already on facebook with my post of the comment immediately after he let off J. Trott off the bowling of Ranpaul....However i was a bit uneasy and left the name out to keep itt a bit professional.....reallyy disappointing what he did as a professional, this will now encourage a generation of disrespectful youth cricketers who will now emulate this gesture by being rude to their coaches......how unfortunate

Posted by Kricket_Fan on (June 11, 2012, 11:43 GMT)

"I went to the nets, worked hard, came out and proved myself to the critics." Come on Mr. Ramdin are u only going prove urself only when u feel let down or critized. shouldnt u always be working hard and applying ue self to do the job u r paid to do. This statement says a lot of some of these Current WI players and they attitude to they work, nothing seems to matter to these guys as long as they get paid. Mr. Ramdin u should think of the numbers of us u have let down with ur performances before asking some one to shut up with one misly performance and in a loosing cause.

Posted by   on (June 11, 2012, 11:40 GMT)

Well done Mr Ramdin in scoring a century with the team being 5 wickets down with not enough runs on the board;however,the series was lost already,and this display only prevented the team from being beaten 3-0 in 3 days as the great English press would have still believed that this team could have been beaten in even 3 days after the weather intervened in this match.Mr Ramdin NEEDS to score a hell of alot more runs and centuries in ALOT more pressure and crunch situations after being a man the selectors have placed so much faith on for so long,you OWE West Indies so much runs and consistency behind the stumps.For someone who looked magnificent behind and in front of the stumps during the under 19 world cup and on his first tour to Sri Lanka,and to Australia,he has been inconsistent,i am sincerly hoping that this knock will inject a heck of alot more consistency into his game both in front and behind the stumps.Hopefully he will learn alot from this rant,maybe he will be disciplined ?

Posted by   on (June 11, 2012, 11:28 GMT)

Smacks of immaturity! Most WI fans were all too impatient at the way Ramdin was performing before this match. As a wicket keeper and middle order batsman, he, like so many of his predecessors, including Gerry Alexander and Derryck Murray, is expected to show some consistent batsmanship, often to help stem a collapse and show some leadership at the crease for tailenders. And the task is even more important when it involves the vice captain. Sir Viv may not be a model of perfection in some of his comments, but there can be doubt that he was one of the best in the game - his record says it all. We are all happy Ramdin had such a fine knock, but, sad to say, his exhibition of immaturity put a damper on the achievement. It would be surprising if he is not subject to disciplinary action, and I hope it will not involve a suspension. After all, it is he, Denesh Ramdin, who has now assumed the responsibility to prove his mettle and that he deserves his place in the team.

Posted by A_Yorkshire_Lad on (June 11, 2012, 11:24 GMT)

A monumentally crass thing to do by Ramdin - he made himself look like a petulant schoolboy and almost managed to overshadow Best's marvellous achievement . There goes the future captaincy ! Still , it could have been a lot worse - at least he didn't tell Sir Viv to grovel.

Posted by   on (June 11, 2012, 10:56 GMT)

overreaction by Ramdin if you cannot deal with critics you will be not going to survive in the long run......and look he had reacted on legend remarks...all cricket fertinity and fans will be against him if any thing goes wrong with him in the future or his forms dips down......

Posted by   on (June 11, 2012, 10:55 GMT)

Ramdin now puts himself in a tough situation. Now he has to score half big and consistent. I DO NOT believe he should be FINED* like holding said. It was Ramdin's court and he called the wrong shots so now he has to live up to it. I don't believe he took that paper in the back pocket this match alone, he probably had it there every game in the case he might go big.!

Posted by   on (June 11, 2012, 10:41 GMT)

here the argument is now to fine and dropped Ramdin for this if anything a player must be dropped on his performance or lack thereof not this foolish action.i have listen to the comments on the cricket matches i for one believe that viv and the rest has the ability to pander to the british,south africans, indians etc commentators.it seems that they are willing to go out of there way to please the thoughts of others,i may not or may agree with Ramdin's response that is irrelevant however this behavior wasn't the exception to the way the team's general feelings. the senior members of the west indian greats must be lighter in there criticism, remember these guys don't have the luxury to play in england anymore as they had and besides they were not scrutinize as the modern team is being now! so yeah talk now nay viv! lol

Posted by danm on (June 11, 2012, 10:23 GMT)

Weak response by Ramdin. He should have AT LEAST written the message on his stomach, pulled off his shirt and run around the ground "airplane style." No wonder people think that Test cricket is boring.

Posted by   on (June 11, 2012, 10:14 GMT)

he who laughs last. wins. Next time Ramdin gets a bat and a duck. Viv and the rest of us might huff and quiet laugh.

Posted by   on (June 11, 2012, 10:07 GMT)

A few days before this incident i wrote on face book suggesting our players do less talking, and focus on what should be done on the pitch. If it has taken constructive comments from Sir Viv to spur Ramdin into performing, or do what he is supposed to do as a professional cricketer,then he should go down on his knees and give Sir Viv a special thank you.I may be wrong but did the WICB not specify that Sir VIV should have a coaching certificate before he was allowed to have a job coaching West Indian players?. If so this incident shows you don't have to possess a piece of paper to get a player to perform. Now we need the same type of dressing down for the top four batsmen the team.

Posted by Yevghenny on (June 11, 2012, 10:06 GMT)

So Sir Viv can be arrogant when he was playing but others can not even highlight their achievements to him? ============ Viv backed it up. He is a legend, Ramdin will regret this for a long time

Posted by TheDoctor394 on (June 11, 2012, 10:01 GMT)

As with a lot of these things, it's all a bit of a storm in a teacup. Ramdin's actions were silly, since he had not been batting well and, therefore, the critism was justified. But at the same time, what he did was hardly so bad that Richards has to get up in arms about it.

Posted by Reagos on (June 11, 2012, 9:11 GMT)

What should he apologise for, furthermore fined? Viv made his comments via radio which he was paid to do, so what. Ramdin made his "sledging reply" through his "famous" paper note. The message itself did not cross any lines of race, religion or spirit of the game. Unless its a sin to speak against a ledgen...a "Sir". What Vis said did work, Ramdin scored a century...let it go. At the end it was a good job by Ramdin and also good of Viv to be critical...both for the good of West Indies cricket. Lets look to the ODI now.

Posted by ranpath on (June 11, 2012, 9:09 GMT)

Richards was being unfair and maybe biased. If he were to check the records the WI rarely ever had a wicketkeeper who was both brilliant behind the stumps and consistent with the bat at the same time . Yes there were wicketkeepers who scored centuries and other useful scores, but they did not perform at that level on a regular basis. Not even Richards' countryman, Ridley Jacobs, (112 test innings, 2577 runs, AVERAGE 28.31 !!!!!! with just 17 scores ( 3 tons, 17 50+ ) --- that's a % of less than 20 innings over 50 !!!!!! ). I'm sorry Sir Viv but that's not so great !! Just for reference here are some stats found on cricinfo : Junior Murray 45 innings 918 runs Ave 22.39 4 50+ scores, 1 ton Carlton Baugh ( much touted heir apparent to Ramdin )36 innings 610 runs Ave 17.94 50+ scores Jeff Dujon 115 innings 3322 runs Ave 31.94 21 50 + scores 5 tons Derek Murray ( often regarded as one of the greatest ) 96inns 1993runs Ave 22.90 11 50+ 0 tons !!!!!!!

Posted by   on (June 11, 2012, 8:27 GMT)

Ramdien forgets that he playing international cricket because of legends like SIR VIV what has he achieved nothing for the Caribbean people SIR VIV has won two world cups

Posted by Thyagu5432 on (June 11, 2012, 8:25 GMT)

I think Denesh's state of mind reflects what it would be for thousands of aspirers who are there but not there. I really feel for these guys who just fall short of what it takes to become successful in the big arena. These guys are given chances because they have it in them but somewhere they fall short of what it takes to make it. The actual gap between a champion and a not-so-successful one is really not the difference between what they have achieved. It is actually lot less but unfortunately, the recognition that a champion gets and the criticism that the not-so-successful ones get is not entirely justified. My heart actually goes out to Denesh, I hope he carries on this form and scores several more 100s, then it would be Viv's turn to carry a note in his pocket.

Posted by Leejd on (June 11, 2012, 7:31 GMT)

Ramdins Pitch Public TV Covered Comment ! Its a sad pity, that a nobody like Ramdin , who perhaps should not play even for the Windies third eleven, now lets not talk about his recent past poor performance, should say something as immature as what he wrote and displayed about not just the Westindies Great Sir Viv, rather one of crickets greatest player, batsman.Fully agree with Holdings comment that if he was the manager Ramdin would get a dressing down ! Guess the best way to reverse the hurt will be for Ramdin to carry another A4 size paper and perhaps write '' Sorry Sir Viv'' I cant even dream of laying one of your worst innings. Leon

Posted by S.h.a.d.a.b on (June 11, 2012, 7:17 GMT)

Ramdin's reaction was not emotional. He had already written and had it in pocket to respond to the legend.

Posted by   on (June 11, 2012, 7:10 GMT)

@Dhar40 "Viv does not know what it feels like to be 150-5". You are joking right? No? NO?? Oh so you're serious in saying The King doesn't know that. wow!! Here's a little homework for you bro, try looking for "best one-day innings in the history of cricket". 9 out of 10 responses will lead you to 189* by a certain Viv Richards. Not Enough? Oh yeah, there was also small matter of team being 7 down for 100 and 9 down for 150 odd.

Oh and while you're at it you might also wanna check 291 by the same Mr. Richards played against... ummm Oh incidentally "a rampant England side"

All that said though, while I totally think that DR should/could have avoided that emotional outburst of his, I, for one, don't think that it's something that he should be crucified for. Yeah, so he reacted... don't make such big deal out of it. We must not forget he's also giving his best playing for his country. He deserves respect too.

ps - Viv is THE King of Cricket

Posted by Haleos on (June 11, 2012, 7:06 GMT)

So Sir Viv can be arrogant when he was playing but others can not even highlight their achievements to him? WI have not lost this match yet and they do not seem to be doing that. No way I am justifying what Ramdin did but he got emotional. WI losing the series is not the fault of Ramdin. He is a wicket keeper. Its the lousy top order that is responsible. Without Ramdin and Tino, WI would have lost this one as well.

Posted by JG2704 on (June 11, 2012, 7:04 GMT)

@satish619chandar - I have no problem with what Ramdin did. OK it may be a little undignified but at the same time proved that criticism hurts and that he does have passion and emotion but it wasn't just a spur of the moment thing. He obviously must have written it the night before or at least on the morning before play started.

Posted by rajaiyer on (June 11, 2012, 7:00 GMT)

It's unfortunate that Ramdin took a swipe at one of the greatest cricketers, West indies have so far, produced. Being an Indian, our upbringing makes us respect age. In this case, even if you discount the age factor, no cricket fan can deny the contributions, Sir Viv has made to cricket in general and West Indies in particular. I was saddened that the concerned WIBC authorities, ignored him during the CWC 2007, which I'd gone to watch all the way from Mumbai (despite India KOed). In this incident, perhaps the coach and the Manager could have stepped in and prevented such a disrespectful incident. Sir Viv will always be loved, respected and held in awe, wherever he is in the World. How can one forget the sheer pleasure of watching him bat and score runs (even against India). Ramdin, please read your region's history and learn to respect giants like Sir Viv Richards.

Posted by Vindaliew on (June 11, 2012, 6:55 GMT)

If this marks out to be a turning point in Ramdin's career, and he goes on to be as consistent as Dujon was, then I think even Sir Viv will look back at the incident with a satisfied smile, and all will be forgiven. If Ramdin regresses to his normal game and shows that this match was just a once-off blip on the radar, then there's probably no way back for him into the WI team once he's dropped. If you cannot take valid criticism when you're playing badly then you're not mentally tough enough to survive at this level. Imagine if every England player who got criticised by Geoff Boycott made a point to show him what they thought of him the moment they did something better than what they usually did...

Posted by jmcilhinney on (June 11, 2012, 6:51 GMT)

@SachinIsTheGreatest on (June 11 2012, 06:02 AM GMT), I don't know all the facts but I'm not aware that any of Richards' comments were caustic or specifically malicious. He's paid to provide opinion so to not say that a player is out of form when he is out of form is not really doing his job. I don't think that anyone would argue that Ramdin doesn't have the right to disagree with Richards' statements or even retort, but it's more the childish way he went about it. The playing field is a place to play, not carry on an argument with a commentator. Should every player start carrying notes now? Where does it stop? Imagine if Strauss had whipped out a note when he scored his hundred in the first Test. It's immature and, frankly, undignified. If Ramdin feels that actually scoring runs is not reply enough to someone who said he wasn't scoring runs then he should probably get out of international cricket because he doesn't have the mental toughness it requires.

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (June 11, 2012, 6:50 GMT)

The comments Sir Viv made were justified based on Ramdins form in the previous 2 tests, and it appears the comments had the required effect and got him to focus on batting with Ramdin scoring a very good ton....As for a fine, the Match ref may have something to say about it, after all that is technically bringing the game into disrepute so he could say good by to 10-20% of his match fee,

Posted by Straight-Drive on (June 11, 2012, 6:48 GMT)

After reading the article, i think some section of people even media is getting biased - because of the fact that the critisism was given by King Richards, a lengend and the person who responded was Ramadin, an average cricketeer. Considering the fact that the series was already given a whitewash favouring the english, i think it is more than reasonable for someone to feel happy that he is able to come up with a century in a drawn game. I feel the current WI team had done a great job in withstanding the English Assualt and it was great to see Ramadin's response after a critisism. It has been always the case where Cricketters have to take back their words (consider KP). I think ICC or respective boards should allow cricketters to express their views as long as its not racial and does not represent a larger group. People in Media/commentry should learn to take response for a critisism in a right way and cricket boards should learn to look at it as a wa of wordsr between individuals.

Posted by satish619chandar on (June 11, 2012, 6:35 GMT)

Lets get cool.. Ramdin did it in spur of moment.. But we need to look into the confidence of the guy.. He backed himself to come good sooner than later and carried the paper with him.. Imagine a guy carrying a bit paper with him for 15 tests and then show it to Mr.Viv.. Would he have done the same had he scored a century after some 15-20 tests? I seriously doubt it.. It was silly but it served as a good motivation for Denesh.. He had apologized now for it and lets leave it simply.. With Viv's perspective, he could have done a lots more good to his stature had he simply left it as "Decent knock. I want to see him bat like this. My words motivated him is enough" rather than "This came in dead game and not in winning cause".. It showcases his ego too..

Posted by   on (June 11, 2012, 6:12 GMT)

Pathetic - Viv Richards is one of the greatest players out of the carribean, and most importantly, played in and captained a successful side. Richards is working in the media and making a comment which is quite valid.

Poor form from ramdin, very poor.

Posted by SachinIsTheGreatest on (June 11, 2012, 6:02 GMT)

Love how sensitive ex-cricketers are to criticism - not at all the thick-skinned machoes they are made out to be. It was funny to hear Holding whinge into the mic about how he never bothered what anyone wrote or said about him. Maybe he doesn't want to admit about the media explosion that has happened over the last 15 years which has had the unfortunate fall-out of almost anyone having an opinion. While Sir Viv is a legend of the game and remains the most fearsome batsman of all time just because a mic is thrust in the face and lots of $$$ are paid, expressing a caustic opinion just for the sake of it is not done. I feel very much for the current WI lot. Time and time again they keep getting reminded about how great a bygone era was but no cricketer from that era seems to have the patience to teach these kids. If those ex-cricketers themselves are frustrated with the WICB and cannot work for the good of WI cricket can't they realise how tough it is for these players?

Posted by gloriouscricket on (June 11, 2012, 5:43 GMT)

There are things i,ve said & done at 29yrs. of age that i wouldn,t repeat in hindsight.Denesh Ramdin spoke out of the magnitude of being overcome & caught-up in the moment.Sir VIV is a legend, A big boy, a class act, he is respected throughout the cricketing fraternity--Fearless, arrogant [I,m speaking here in cricketing terms in the heat of the competition] no disrespect intended toward Sir Viv. Surely he understands & will be willing to forgive Ramdin,s lack of humility and indiscretion. Ramdin of course will dedicate his next 9 centuries to The Legend--Master Blaster--Sir Viv Richards.Do not censure Ramdin, Do not clip his wings--he needs to keep the passion, the fight--Lets play ball.

Posted by HadleeCrowe on (June 11, 2012, 5:37 GMT)

nice to have some emotion .... but Viv is da man Criticise anyone else mcgrath steve waugh ab warnie... waqar shoaib but not viv there was and can only ever be one viv

Posted by KiwiRocker- on (June 11, 2012, 5:28 GMT)

Who the hell is Ramdin? An unknown average player who has failed to cement his place depsite so many chances. You just do not go out and try to insult the greatest batsman of game AKA Sir Viv Richards. Ramdin should be banned for life for such an immature gesture. The kIng Richards does not need any gestures from players like Ramdin as King tamed bigger players than this chap! Ramdin should make a public apology and be banned!

Posted by Nadeem1976 on (June 11, 2012, 5:15 GMT)

It's sad to see a cricketer disrespects the king of cricket. This generation of cricketers don't know how to respect their heroes that's why WI is in this place now at the bottom of all forms of cricket.

The only time WI raise to top of the world when King himself was playing , never before and never after. This kid needs to give respect to King of cricket.

This is really new commercial era of cricket where money has respect and nothing else. Sad very sad.

Posted by Dhar40 on (June 11, 2012, 5:14 GMT)

I cannot understand how so many people cannot se that Vic's reply was most idiotic. He was a master batsman but is at best a mediocre comments personality and on TMS just because of his batting record and not because of his insightful and tactful comments. Its how you look at it. You should always play with pride even in a dead rubber and Ramdin came in at 150 odd for 5. England could have still won the match from there. Instead he dug in with Samuels and built a platform for No. 11 to launch. So don't let that talk about No 11 make 95 blind you, or what Viv said about scoring a goal in a 5-1 defeat. Viv does not know what it feels like to be 150-5 and playing for your place against a rampant England side. Ramdin is a guy with guts or as we say in the Caribbean he have plenty belly! He shows it all to often for Trinidad and now he WILL do the same for WI! Cheers Dinesh

Posted by Vineeth59 on (June 11, 2012, 5:02 GMT)

I don't know what these people who support Ramdin is thinking about ...I am jus asking a simple question...did Ramdin ever played an innings for winning cause and he is challenging one of the best in the game SIR viv Richards..Leave that ..just consider all Test playing nations....The worst wicket keeper we have is Ramdin....even Zimbawe and bangladesh have very better wicket keeper batsman who plays for the team when it is needed...mushfiqur rahim played many innings at crunch time....If u check in most of the nations....there most reliable batsmen will be wicket keeper....captain MS Dhoni,ABdevillers, Sangakara,Umar akmal,...and it goes on. Now what point Ramdin can make here 45 tests with 22 AVG....even many tail enders have better average...He is a waste ..I don know why windies are not trying a good batsman as keeper ...Atleast in Odi ..hope dey will make simmons or johnson charles(eventhough he edin prove seems like he has better talent dan ramdin)

Posted by hari040761 on (June 11, 2012, 4:59 GMT)

FRIENDS THE DAY RICHARDS PLAYED IS DIFFERENT AS HE HAD A VERY SUCCESSFUL BOWLING UNIT LIKE. ROBERTS, GARNER, CROFT, JULIEN, HOLDING, MARSHALL ETC AND ALSO HAD A GOOD OPENERS LIKE GREENIDGE, HAYNES. NOW THIS IS A DIFFERENT TEAM. EVEN ONE COMPARED WITH LARA IS NOT DOING CONSISTENTLY WHAT HE HAS TO DO. WHY WE UNNECESSORILY POINTING FINGER AT NO.7 BATSMEN. EVERY PLAYER TRYING TO DO THEIR BEST. SOME TIMES IT CLICKS AND SOMETIMES IT WON'T. FROM THE SURFACE, SPEHERICAL SHAPE BALL AT GREAT SPEED, MOVING IN THE AIR, FLAT BAT ALL THOSE THINGS WE HAVE TO CONSIDER FOR THE BATSMEN. SO DON'T CRITICISE THE INDIVIDUAL INSTEAD THE APPROACH OR THE SHOT SELECTION OR ATITUDE. LEAVE THIS ISSUE AS IT IS. WEST INDIES HAVE ONELY ONE CONSISTENT MAN AND IS CHANDERPAUL. IT IS TIME TO REGROUP THE UNIT. SENIORS SHOULD ENCOURAGE THE PLAYERS WHO ARE PLAYING. INSTEAD OF AIRING YOUR COMMENTS WHY YOU CAN'T VISIT THE NETS AND GIVE YOUR VALUABLE ADVISE.

Posted by yocasi on (June 11, 2012, 4:52 GMT)

I'm not a big Ramdin fan but I admire his spunk in responding to Sir Viv. I think the whole episode will spur him on to bigger things. And, Mr. Holding, why should Ramdin be fined? He has done/said nothing compared to what your homeboy Gayle has done/said, yet you feel that Gayle should be mollycuddled.

Posted by sweetspot on (June 11, 2012, 4:27 GMT)

I think Denesh is big enough to feel bad about going just a bit overboard, and King Richards is big enough to understand how Denesh would have felt. Well played Denesh! King, you were right, and look at the motivation the young fella has now! Well done both of you!

Posted by Ashwin_Mysore on (June 11, 2012, 4:24 GMT)

Ramdin........Sir Viv is a cricket legend.......not limited to only WI.....Should know to respect criticism when it comes from a peson who knows and has proved several 100 times more than U. No one will get intimidated by your century .......but still people fears about Sir Viv.

Posted by Tanvir2012 on (June 11, 2012, 4:22 GMT)

I'm Not A Test Match Viewer , But Yesterday I Enjoyed The Test Match ..... Mainly Bacause Of Ramdin & Best ,And Sepically For Tino Best ...... But The Ramdin Message Incident Was A Surprise For Me ...

Posted by   on (June 11, 2012, 4:16 GMT)

im with ramdin, its so easy to ex players to come out criticize, bt they are nt going to do any good anymore for cricket, its the current players is the one's who gonna serve for cricket so we should always back them,

Posted by satish619chandar on (June 11, 2012, 3:51 GMT)

It was just a heat of moment.. Ramdin is not a naturally arrogant guy like some other players.. He just had that thing to be named as a "Completely lost" from a legend of the game.. Richards could have done it personally rather than going public.. As they say "Say positive in public but negative in personal".. Negatives in public will lead to these kinds of stufs..

Posted by jmcilhinney on (June 11, 2012, 3:32 GMT)

If Ramdin's retort to Richards had been a spur of the moment thing then it wouldn't really be a big deal. The fact that it was so premeditated though makes it rather childish. He obviously wrote that note before the start of play and carried it with him for several hours and only revealed it when he scored a hundred. He had plenty of time to think better of it before he actually did it, but the fact that it's only after the fact that he regrets it doesn't really wash. Presumably if he hadn't scored that hundred we would never have seen the note or known of its existence, so that's rather childish. Perhaps the press conference after the day's play might have been the place for him to mention that he feels that he has answered Richards' criticism. Also, the fact that he scored here, as good an innings as it was, doesn't mean that Richards' comments weren't warranted at the time or perhaps in the future. Perhaps Ramdin should watch how Andrew Strauss handled criticism.

Posted by joseyesu on (June 11, 2012, 3:18 GMT)

Although a series is lost,but peoples like Richard should motivate Ramdin to go furthur rather to say "It is for a lost cause". It is more of a team game and sure players must gel together

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas_Atheist on (June 11, 2012, 3:12 GMT)

Well done ramdin. If you criticise in front of a mic, be prepared to take the reply. It's that simple.

Posted by   on (June 11, 2012, 3:04 GMT)

Ramdin's jesture is another case and point to support my belief that he is a Boy who is trying to play a mans game. Rampaul comments the otherday about his teammates is another example of a big hefty boy trying to plan a mans game

Posted by aloenso on (June 11, 2012, 2:46 GMT)

Ramdin you better keep delivering because not only Viv but everyone else is going to talk. But why did it take Viv's comments for you to go in the nets and work hard. You are a West Indian cricketer and Viv is a West Indian cricket legend. He is not your enemy. You did not seem keen to shut up the English commentators who were talking about your poor technique; or the English cricketers that treated as their bunny in the first two test. Very good innings, but it is attitude like that why we keep losing. In spite of all, like Viv, I had and still have very high hopes for you. I wish you all the best.

Posted by Bluntman on (June 11, 2012, 2:31 GMT)

No need to apologize? Please. A countless number of innings and an average of around 20 so many years in the squad. Ramdin is a serious underperformer and scoring one lil century is reason enough for him to get on like that? In a losing cause where there really isn't any pressure? Conduct yourself Ramdin. If you were more consistent and got those same remarks, fine. If that was the case, those comments wouldn't have come from Viv anyway.

Posted by General_Fadi_Basem on (June 11, 2012, 2:28 GMT)

One has a "Sir" preceding his name. The other has Mr.

One has 24 test centuries. The other has two in 4 years.

One has earned great respect over the years. The other hasn't earned much.

One has been voted among the five cricketers of the century. The other won't be remembered ten years from now.

Posted by   on (June 11, 2012, 2:23 GMT)

ramdin have dig himself a big grave i he did want to say something to viv he should wait until he make at least another 4 or 5 century making a century in a game where the number 11 batsman make 95 runs he just take away from what he has accomplish now he has to make runs on a regular basic now and that's put more pressure on himself to produce what viv said he wasn't wrong and if u can't take the criticism when u r doing bad how u want them to congratulate u when u do good where is the discipline the team is preaching

Posted by   on (June 11, 2012, 2:22 GMT)

DENESH..... better score well next time out.The pitch favoured you this time.Muck up in the future and you are at the receiving end. Even Best almost scored a century in that case you should have done a DOUBLE Tough times ahead. Come guy now U R famous now..

Posted by   on (June 11, 2012, 2:17 GMT)

People should criticize him more often, in that way he will be motivated to score more runs..

Posted by   on (June 11, 2012, 2:15 GMT)

good on em i say... if viv has the rite to complain about him in the media, then denesh has the rite to bite back. Viv richards was wrong & ramdin has just proven it.

Posted by topsplnner on (June 11, 2012, 2:01 GMT)

Ramdin has been and still is an under achiever.One innings success in a list of endless failures as a batsman is a statistic no follower of WI cricket can ignore.If Viv the revered and great Icon choose to dissect and give an opinion on any aspect of WI cricket, it ought not elicit a response of disrespect in a public arena. Ramdin's brandishing of that piece of paper tells us where his focus and preparation is directed. We should not now wonder about the reasons for his abominable past performances with the bat. The Manager/Coach should not ignore acts of disrespect to our icons of the past. A ban and reprimand should serve as a warning that such acts will not be tolerated by any of his fellow underachieving cohorts

Posted by   on (June 11, 2012, 2:00 GMT)

bro go to sir viv and apologize you can show your feelings in an interview or somethings else not in the middle of the game.

Posted by ottoflick on (June 11, 2012, 2:00 GMT)

Well done denesh. Happy to see your little note to "sir" viv. You shouldn't apologize. Michael holding saying you should be punished and fined. I disagree simply because these people like holding and Richards have nothing to do with windies cricket, they are just commentators who are from the west indies. I really hope u keep up your wonderful form and cement your place in the windies line up in all formats of the beautiful game. Best of luck

Posted by   on (June 11, 2012, 1:47 GMT)

Considering Ramdin still averages under 24 after this century and was a complete passenger while WI lost the series, the criticism seems pretty deserved. It good that he responded with a century, but that note speaks volumes about why WI keep losing.

Posted by sebastian114 on (June 11, 2012, 1:37 GMT)

while i don't agree with Dinesh's retort i sympathize with him ex WI players Viv and others are always extremely critical of the younger Windies players they were criticalof Lara in the past of Hooper but what have they done to help these young players but use the stage they get put on in the media to berate and criticise (destructively) these young players so let the chickens come home to roost

Posted by   on (June 11, 2012, 1:27 GMT)

I am a SLankan fan. I understand that Ramdhin would have been full of emortions and may have just crossed the line in how he displayed his feelings. However the international cricketeres represent their countries at the highest level should be taught how to take criticism professionally. Having said that journalists, ex cricketeres and critics must also have some code of responsible writing or expressing their views. Otherwise we are going to hear more and more of these incidents.

Posted by   on (June 11, 2012, 1:05 GMT)

Sure denesh Ramdin was out of line with his action.In many ways he should have regarded what ever was said as the motication for his perfofmance.There is the suggestion that he should be fines and repremanded.By whom? Does any possibly believe that Ramdin could written that note unnoticed by any every one in the camp?

Posted by rienzied on (June 11, 2012, 1:04 GMT)

I am one of viv's greatest fans, but if you are going to criticise, then be prepared for the back lash when you fail. Well done Ramdhin, you showed the fire in the belly that the top 4 have consistently failed to show this series!

Posted by   on (June 11, 2012, 0:51 GMT)

Very disappointed with Ramdin. At a time when he should be seeking to improve his skills and benefit from the experiences of the WI lengends, he introduces a huge obstacle and a major barrier to communication. Perhaps he is convinced that one century in the 21st century makes him a super star.

Viv, Sobers, Lara, Chanderpaul, Des Haynes etc have earned the right to criticize his failures and help him to excell. (By the way this has nothing to do with the WICB).

The West Indies team is developing a positive attitude with dedication and discipline, and this behaviour by Ramdin was unacceptable. It was no accident. It was carefully planned and he should begin by apologizinging to himself.

Posted by randyg on (June 11, 2012, 0:50 GMT)

What do you mean he did the right thing?!! Without the consistency in his game he has proved Sir Viv right! Ramdin should be playing this well all the time - not just when he feels his pride is damaged. As for being better than them (@ Ajodhi)... are you serious? Ramdin will never prove that he is better because he simply is not, ask any serious cricket follower.

Posted by   on (June 11, 2012, 0:40 GMT)

Unfortunately Denesh has cheapen a very good and mature batting display with an immature gesture. Being criticized is par for the course as an international sportsman. We were all looking at Denesh as a future captain of the WI, but this gesture illustrates that he has a bit more to learn about captaining one's country. Additionally Viv did support him earlier in his career and only expressing his disappointment in someone so talented.

Posted by   on (June 11, 2012, 0:29 GMT)

I don't think that Viv Richards should want an apology from Richards. Richards criticized him and Ramdin responded to the criticism.. I would de disappointed if my hero Viv Richards should demand an apology from Ramdin. Richards is far bigger than that. She shouldn't let Ramdin's comment bother him. Ramdin is also one of my cricket heroes.

Posted by   on (June 11, 2012, 0:26 GMT)

It was totally a lack of class on Ramdin's part. What Richard was saying was what everybody else was saying - that Ramdin was simply not performing. Having performed, he should have displayed the humility that the great ones display when they have scored their twentieth and thirtieth hundreds; but to do so on only his second hundred after a fairly long period in test cricket shows an arrogance, a lack of self-examination that is most reprehensible.

Posted by lethalsHook on (June 11, 2012, 0:23 GMT)

If someone's to make a statement through the media and then to be proven wrong, Viv or not, your entitled for your right wack, We'll done Ramdin, not only a great knock, but It show's a bit about his character. As for Holding he needs to stop being so precious and except It's not about him, Viv or anyone else from the generation anymore, why taint what was a great hundred. Finally I hope Ramdin can back it up, he like Viv has now made a statement and unless he proves in was no flash in the pan, he to could have egg on his face. Overall great theatre.

Posted by   on (June 11, 2012, 0:20 GMT)

LOL... well written article.... LOL... DWL ... what all this has taught me is that the wI players can bat they just need to apply themselves. If Ramdin can practice in the nets and perform like this , imagine that rightly motivated players can do!......

Posted by jamfai on (June 11, 2012, 0:08 GMT)

I didnt get the gesture. Vivs job is to give an opinion based on how a player is performing. Only way to silence a critic is by performing. Showing a note was a terrible gesture to anyone, let alone to one of the greatest batsmen of all time Sir Viv! So many fond memories of Viv's batting. Fearless competitor with a strike rate of over 90 in ODIs when other players in the same era barely managed a strike rate of 70!!

Posted by   on (June 10, 2012, 23:47 GMT)

Ramdin, you did the right thing, no need to apologize to richards and holdings you are better than them. Keep proving you are better.

Posted by   on (June 10, 2012, 23:19 GMT)

Well done Ramdin. No need to apologize. You did an awesome job and you should be rewarded for your efforts. I believe there was no animosity in your action.

Posted by johnathonjosephs on (June 10, 2012, 22:44 GMT)

West Indies cricket is in shambles right now. Ramdin was supposed to be wicketkeeper but did not keep internationally for West Indies for quite some time, losing out to the other wicketkeepers. Yes, it was an emotional one, but at the same time out of order. I see it no different from Pieterson's Twitter outbursts, or Kohli's crybaby complaints.

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