England v West Indies, 3rd Test, Edgbaston, 5th day June 11, 2012

Denesh Ramdin fined for gesture

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Denesh Ramdin, the West Indies wicket-keeper, has been fined 20% of his match fee for his paper-waving protest directed at Viv Richards after reaching his century on the fourth day of the Edgbaston Test. The ICC charged Ramdin with conduct contrary to the spirit of the game and he pleaded guilty to the offence.

"We all understand the importance of celebrating a milestone, however, one should not use that time as an opportunity to hit out at one's critic or send messages to the world," Roshan Mahanama, the match referee, said. "I hope Mr Ramdin has learnt his lesson from this incident and that we will not see such behaviour by him or any player in the future when celebrating an achievement within a game of international cricket."

Immediately after he pushed Tim Bresnan behind square for a single to reach his second Test century, Ramdin removed his helmet, and to the surprise of everyone removed a piece of paper from his right pocket and flashed it aggressively towards the pavilion. The message read: "YEH VIV TALK NAH."

After the days' play, Ramdin revealed he had prepared the note on Saturday morning. He said it was a response to Richards' criticism of his deteriorating form after he had scored only 51 runs and kept wicket inconsistently in the first two Tests. Ramdin later admitted his reaction had been emotional.

Darren Sammy, West Indies captain, said the fine was unfortunate, but that his players respected past achievements. "We as a West Indian team have a lot of respect for our past players especially somebody so great as Sir Viv," Sammy said. "We all take a lot of inspiration from Fire in Babylon which reflects our history. I know Ramdin will probably have a word with him and I hope there is no love lost. And we will move on and continue respecting our great past players."

Michael Holding, the former West Indies fast bowler, had been critical of Ramdin on ESPNcricinfo, saying that Ramdin had crossed the line and should be reprimanded severely.

Sammy settled for backing the ICC fine. "The ICC match referee has done his part," he said. "We are all human beings and things do happen and as a team we support our players. That said we've got to do what is right. Denesh realised he probably overdid it a little bit."

Sammy said he was completely unaware of Ramdin's celebration plans and was actually expecting the Trinidadian, who is a big fan of Chelsea football player Didier Drogba, to slide on the Edgbaston turf. "I was wondering what the celebration would be. I know he is a big fan of Didier Drogba. So I thought he would probably slide. But none of us knew what was coming."

Ramdin has had a piece of paper stored in his pocket each time he has scored a hundred, both of which have come against England. In 2009, at Bridgetown, when he scored his maiden Test century, he unfurled another piece of paper, listing three names: Ian Bishop, David Williams and Ramnaresh Sarwan. It was his vote of thanks for playing a big role in his performance.

The fact was not lost on Sammy. "Probably he should bat with more notes in his pocket," he joked.

Nagraj Gollapudi is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo

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  • POSTED BY MostCulturedAussieSirLesPatterson on | June 14, 2012, 6:09 GMT

    Richards may have been an exceptional batsman but he was a very nasty person as a player who used to swear ("FO maan"!) at fans and even young children who approached him for his autograph - (haven't come accross him since his playing days, so can't say whether he still swears gratuitously). As for his commentating, he is not very articulate and relies on using the word "individual" heavily and very frequently. He shouldn't be regarded as a god who is beyond criticism.

  • POSTED BY Asraf12 on | June 13, 2012, 17:35 GMT

    when the ICC is finish with this GAME we all love so much a player and even move is bat, he will be fined. Now why a player cannot challenge the critics? I wish if the ICC can answer that. I bet if some one talk down to ICC they will reply. This game have change so much i don know if we are still playing CRICKET.

  • POSTED BY bigfish69 on | June 13, 2012, 0:32 GMT

    to US indian# the don scored more centuries than Viv. Better average

  • POSTED BY SamAsh07 on | June 12, 2012, 22:26 GMT

    Good gesture by Ramdin, really appreciated! Who cares about old legends? They've gone and dusted, the NOW is the future. Not the past oldies.

  • POSTED BY ElBeeDubya on | June 12, 2012, 21:23 GMT

    Two points. 1. Some people are upset because these comments were directed at Viv who is undoubtedly one of the all time greats. Would it have been ok (with no fines for Ramdin) if the comments were made against a commentator who was a lesser player during his playing days? 2. Some people think it is not ok because the comments were made on the field of play. ICC has done NOTHING ABOUT SLEDGING ON THE FIELD. This is also a form of sledging but much mild mannered than most sledging. Isn't it a JOKE for an ICC official to fine a player for this?

  • POSTED BY Andre_b86 on | June 12, 2012, 18:26 GMT

    Why did Sir Viv single out Ramdin. He could have been disappointed with Barath 15Tests avg 23.46, Sammy 21 Tests avg 21.39 , even samuels 40Tests avg33.48. What about the bowling: Best 15 Tests, avg46.66, Edwards 54 Tests; avg 38.37; Rampaul 16 Tests avg36.47. With all this mediocrity, he singles out Ramdin. Players have to account for their performance, umpires for their decisions. Why should commentators not be held to account for their comments?

  • POSTED BY Mayfield on | June 12, 2012, 17:48 GMT

    This is off the topic, but DELORN JOHNSON. 23 years old, same age as roach and fast. Destroyed India A top order. Should be drafted into the team for New Zealand series. Good a time as any to blood this exciting prospect. WI has some good up and coming fast bowlers. Johnson, Gabriel, Holder, along with Roach, Rampaul and a fit and disciplined Taylor. We could have a fast bowling unit to be reckoned with.

  • POSTED BY Mutukisna on | June 12, 2012, 17:15 GMT

    Some of you are wasting your time by attempting to compare Ramdin's and Sir Viv's achievements. Simply, with due respect to Ramdin, there is no comparison. The real point is that we, the listening, viewing and reading (not forgetting, paying) public require honest comments and assessments from commentators like Sir Viv and his colleagues. In this respect, I would like all commentators and sports writers to model themselves on Geoff Boycott who provides full value with total honesty. So, Sir Viv, please do not hold back. Please continue with your forthright comments whether or not you offend players in the process. After all, you and your fellow commentators are paid to do this. Incidentally, Mr Ramdin you could have worded your note a bit better than you actually did - certainly, with a bit of dignity.

  • POSTED BY SteelBeatle on | June 12, 2012, 15:30 GMT

    Totally ridiculous fine - nothing to do with ICC - stupid act by Ramdin at worst, but didn't hurt anyone!

  • POSTED BY rayfanatics on | June 12, 2012, 14:32 GMT

    @Kaindath - The point is not what Sir Viv said. It is what Ramdin did. Is he a small child? First of all Ramdin cannot compare himself to Viv neither in stature nor in talent. Secondly, Ramdin has been given innumerable number of chances to secure his place but he has blown them away consistently. Dead rubber, flat wicket and a 2nd choice bowling line up, Yeah Ramdin talk nah!

  • POSTED BY MostCulturedAussieSirLesPatterson on | June 14, 2012, 6:09 GMT

    Richards may have been an exceptional batsman but he was a very nasty person as a player who used to swear ("FO maan"!) at fans and even young children who approached him for his autograph - (haven't come accross him since his playing days, so can't say whether he still swears gratuitously). As for his commentating, he is not very articulate and relies on using the word "individual" heavily and very frequently. He shouldn't be regarded as a god who is beyond criticism.

  • POSTED BY Asraf12 on | June 13, 2012, 17:35 GMT

    when the ICC is finish with this GAME we all love so much a player and even move is bat, he will be fined. Now why a player cannot challenge the critics? I wish if the ICC can answer that. I bet if some one talk down to ICC they will reply. This game have change so much i don know if we are still playing CRICKET.

  • POSTED BY bigfish69 on | June 13, 2012, 0:32 GMT

    to US indian# the don scored more centuries than Viv. Better average

  • POSTED BY SamAsh07 on | June 12, 2012, 22:26 GMT

    Good gesture by Ramdin, really appreciated! Who cares about old legends? They've gone and dusted, the NOW is the future. Not the past oldies.

  • POSTED BY ElBeeDubya on | June 12, 2012, 21:23 GMT

    Two points. 1. Some people are upset because these comments were directed at Viv who is undoubtedly one of the all time greats. Would it have been ok (with no fines for Ramdin) if the comments were made against a commentator who was a lesser player during his playing days? 2. Some people think it is not ok because the comments were made on the field of play. ICC has done NOTHING ABOUT SLEDGING ON THE FIELD. This is also a form of sledging but much mild mannered than most sledging. Isn't it a JOKE for an ICC official to fine a player for this?

  • POSTED BY Andre_b86 on | June 12, 2012, 18:26 GMT

    Why did Sir Viv single out Ramdin. He could have been disappointed with Barath 15Tests avg 23.46, Sammy 21 Tests avg 21.39 , even samuels 40Tests avg33.48. What about the bowling: Best 15 Tests, avg46.66, Edwards 54 Tests; avg 38.37; Rampaul 16 Tests avg36.47. With all this mediocrity, he singles out Ramdin. Players have to account for their performance, umpires for their decisions. Why should commentators not be held to account for their comments?

  • POSTED BY Mayfield on | June 12, 2012, 17:48 GMT

    This is off the topic, but DELORN JOHNSON. 23 years old, same age as roach and fast. Destroyed India A top order. Should be drafted into the team for New Zealand series. Good a time as any to blood this exciting prospect. WI has some good up and coming fast bowlers. Johnson, Gabriel, Holder, along with Roach, Rampaul and a fit and disciplined Taylor. We could have a fast bowling unit to be reckoned with.

  • POSTED BY Mutukisna on | June 12, 2012, 17:15 GMT

    Some of you are wasting your time by attempting to compare Ramdin's and Sir Viv's achievements. Simply, with due respect to Ramdin, there is no comparison. The real point is that we, the listening, viewing and reading (not forgetting, paying) public require honest comments and assessments from commentators like Sir Viv and his colleagues. In this respect, I would like all commentators and sports writers to model themselves on Geoff Boycott who provides full value with total honesty. So, Sir Viv, please do not hold back. Please continue with your forthright comments whether or not you offend players in the process. After all, you and your fellow commentators are paid to do this. Incidentally, Mr Ramdin you could have worded your note a bit better than you actually did - certainly, with a bit of dignity.

  • POSTED BY SteelBeatle on | June 12, 2012, 15:30 GMT

    Totally ridiculous fine - nothing to do with ICC - stupid act by Ramdin at worst, but didn't hurt anyone!

  • POSTED BY rayfanatics on | June 12, 2012, 14:32 GMT

    @Kaindath - The point is not what Sir Viv said. It is what Ramdin did. Is he a small child? First of all Ramdin cannot compare himself to Viv neither in stature nor in talent. Secondly, Ramdin has been given innumerable number of chances to secure his place but he has blown them away consistently. Dead rubber, flat wicket and a 2nd choice bowling line up, Yeah Ramdin talk nah!

  • POSTED BY Guyanese2Dbone on | June 12, 2012, 14:10 GMT

    It's human too get emotional about ones achievements after people are getting down on you for what they tink are your failures. I see no wrong in what Mr Ramdin did in using that moment too get back at one of his critic. If a player tweet or use any form of the electronic media too get back at his critics, he's fined. If a player use the field he's fined. Then can someone plz tll me where a player can responed too his critics.

  • POSTED BY Gillybean on | June 12, 2012, 13:53 GMT

    I agree with players having a voice but there is a place and time for everything. The players should be able to say and respond to certain things off the bat. One main issue here is that everyone is dumping on Ramdin for what he did but has anyone taken the time to really think about this and why he chose this particular moment. I think is because he felt he have no other alernative and a chance to take on the (BIG GUY) Sir Viv. So he would prove him wrong first them take him on. So the wrong tuime became the right time for Ramdin. Also the former players, mentors and GREATS of the West Indies Cricket should also have more tact when dealing with the present and young impressionable cricketers. Think of your statements, take the negative and present it in a positve way. So the players wants perform. I dont think some of the comments are to hurt the players is just the way they are said. I am all for the present and the past players working together for us to get back to the TOP.

  • POSTED BY kaindath on | June 12, 2012, 13:43 GMT

    Everyone missing the point here, at this point in West Indies cricket no one person should be single out and criticise when the entire West Indies team is struggling.Sir Viv as they called him should know better and approach this is a way that no one feel they are been used as the black sheep in the team. Richard as a glory days player along with some others should be having discussions with these talented players and talk with them give them tips on how to prepare to bat or field in general before reaching out to criticise. He (Richard) have done nothing to help Ramdin improve his cricket since he (Richard) first said that Ramdin will be a future captain of the West Indies.I know that what Ramdin did was done because of his emotions, but what Richard has said after the hundred made by Ramdin quote " the innings has no significant in the series" but what Richard forget was that Ramdin and company was playing for pride.That to me Mr Richard or Sir is share ignorance again.

  • POSTED BY krik8crazy on | June 12, 2012, 13:37 GMT

    I didn't find Ramdin's gesture amusing but I don't think it was worthy of a fine either. Ramdin is just an emotional sportsman who decided to rub it in the face of his critic. A quite warning to keep his emotions in check would have sufficed.

  • POSTED BY YorkshirePudding on | June 12, 2012, 13:08 GMT

    @Shankar_TSH, who do you know he didnt speak to the west indies players in the nets, but players like Viv are natural players and so dont always understand why others struggle with the bat.

  • POSTED BY MAK123 on | June 12, 2012, 12:41 GMT

    The third test would have vanished with a few remarks as to how boring test cricket has become. Instead, it was people like Ramdin and Tino Best that ignited so much debate and generated so much interest in this otherwise dead rubber. Be thankful to both, people.

  • POSTED BY mansoor1977 on | June 12, 2012, 12:36 GMT

    Young Man. Century after bad run of form. Got a little overboard. Got a slap on the rist. Move on. No love should be lost. simple.

  • POSTED BY golgo_85 on | June 12, 2012, 12:14 GMT

    This was none of ICC's business. The guy had a right to speak his mind albeit irresponsible given what he did but it would've made more sense had WI cricket board penalised him in some way instead. ICC had absolutely no business getting involved, how about getting involved in general when it matters when bad umpiring costs a team a series win, encouraging countries to create more sporting pitches etc

  • POSTED BY PureTom on | June 12, 2012, 11:44 GMT

    Tricky to say whether this is right or wrong. For me what makes it wrong is that it happened on field. Only cricket should happen on the pitch. I do think that modern players are unfairly censored and the tighter the gags the more likely and extreme outbursts will be. Every single follower of this game (or any other) has critised a player at some point. It is childish to think that players will not hold some resentment for which, currently, there is no release. Players should be able to respond in kind, but not on the field, during a game (in my opinion).

  • POSTED BY johnpravinking on | June 12, 2012, 11:35 GMT

    If cricketer scores a century and shows his name tag on the field then it means he is showing that to all the critics who questioned his ability/form to be in a team as a batsman. I would say it is an answer to the critics on and off the field. Would ICC referee ban that as well! What is wrong with Roshan Mahanama!? Has he lost his mind! I have seen him show his name tag when he scored a century when people where questioning his form! Is that called double standards! The end!(Part2)

  • POSTED BY johnpravinking on | June 12, 2012, 11:34 GMT

    Over reaction by the ICC match referee (Roshan Mahanama), I think! When a critic says something about a player then the player has the right to hit back. Yes, one can question the place he decided to do that but if one asked one's ability to play football then one should prove that he is able or not in a football pitch. In the same way if one is asking one's ability in cricket then I think a cricketing field is where you show it. Ramdin didn't give a gesture to Viv Richards nor Ramdin showed something offensive about Viv Richards or his family. He just showed a piece of paper with words what he thought about a critics comment was. If he had written something about Viv Richards or his family then everybody can say he is wrong. (Part 1)

  • POSTED BY 200ondebut on | June 12, 2012, 11:19 GMT

    I see no problem with it - players should be able to speak back - it is their human right. Viv should stick to playing cricket - he is far better judge of a ball than a player. Preferably though it would be better if everyone adopted the one-eyed aussie approach.

  • POSTED BY RandyOZ on | June 12, 2012, 10:31 GMT

    @jmcilhinney - Strauss doesn't have the skill to back up any statements though, unlike the others.

  • POSTED BY dilscoop_uk on | June 12, 2012, 10:21 GMT

    Pointing his Bat towards the Media Box was enough. Every one forgot about his innings and century and started talking about his antics.

  • POSTED BY stormy16 on | June 12, 2012, 9:49 GMT

    I am not sure about this - at first I felt the fine is ok. On second thoughts what about the players? They are scrutinized and critisized at lenght by all and sundry but have no way of defending themselves or responding to critisism. I guess the counter side is 'just let your performance do the talking'. I can see a guy like Kallis very calmly going about his business without even the slightest reaction to anything or anyone but other like KP will not and should not have to. Its a personal thing and if a player feels he needs to respond he should be allowed to do so...I think!

  • POSTED BY fwd079 on | June 12, 2012, 8:35 GMT

    " listing three names: Ian Bishop, David Williams and Ramnaresh Sarwan."

    That listing link is taking me to some secure site instead of stats?

  • POSTED BY sachin_vvsfan on | June 12, 2012, 8:04 GMT

    20% fine is unfair.He did wrong but on what basis is ICC taking action. Sir VIV is not a member of ICC and the player did not use any abusive words. Will they do the same if he replied this message to his family members?

  • POSTED BY BachchuFromHyderabad on | June 12, 2012, 7:36 GMT

    Good word from Emancipator007. Is there a one way route for players to receive the criticism only and commentators to say what they like, as far as it is not distasteful to the public. This is the new era and freedom of speech is in application now rather than in the books. Clever Ramdin has done well to create this opportunity and what confidence to carry the paper in his pocket which could well be the reason of his skill application to reach the 100. WELL DONE RAMDIN and Well supported by SAMMY with his uncanny knack of applauding RAMDINs actions, silently.

  • POSTED BY getsetgopk on | June 12, 2012, 7:10 GMT

    Its understandable for Ramdin to hold out a note from a distance, from two steps away and Sir Viv would have squashed him like a little bug, clever Ramdin LOL

  • POSTED BY len501 on | June 12, 2012, 7:02 GMT

    This is so uncalled for. The ICC is slowly but surely taking every bit of passion out of the game of cricket. Viv Richards was right to voice his opinion and Ramdin responded with his bat and a note. What's the big deal? How does that bring the game into disrepute. The fact of the matter is that some of the giants of West Indian cricket have taken it upon themselves to be quite severe in their criticism of this younger group, knowing fully well that their past achievements would serve as insulation from reproof. As commentators they don't need to be biased towards West Indies, but neither do they need to forget their own humble beginnings before they reached the top.

  • POSTED BY Rexton87 on | June 12, 2012, 6:56 GMT

    The criticism of Ramadin is out of proportion and on the other hand no one is above criticism even the so called demigods in every walk of life. This sensational and emotive reaction was as absorbing as indoimitable human spirit. Certainly we do not want players to be without passion and fire otherwise we will end up with meek obedient cunning and always politically correct sportmen and that will be sad spectacle.

  • POSTED BY blade_pakkiri on | June 12, 2012, 6:41 GMT

    ICC has no business censoring players' speech. Commentators are not immune to criticism irrespective of their accomplishments.

  • POSTED BY Game_Gazer on | June 12, 2012, 3:27 GMT

    What a cool & smart comment from Sammy; he's truly a sport and a leader !!

  • POSTED BY Emancipator007 on | June 12, 2012, 3:01 GMT

    Typical OTT and negative reactions from fans, writers,commentators. How is Dinesh's note worse than Dravid's violent waving of his bat towards the press box (obviously at some cricketer-turned comm) after his 100 in famous VVS Kolkata '2001 Test or N. Hussain's RUDE pointing to some no. on his back (towards Botham particularly,his trenchant critic then) after a long-due ODI 100 in Natwest Trophy final in '02 or Kohli's screaming & gesticulating towards the press box in general after his maiden 100 in OZ? Why should the fact that the note was directed towards legend-turned comm Viv matter? Why is his note worse than KP's tweet against Knight? Why should the caliber of the former player-turned comm matter if a player reacts on the field to off-field criticism? Were Dravid,Hussain,Kohli many others censured? Just cos they did not use a note to hit back at critics? THINK. Humans are sensitive to criticism and react emotionally or irrationally at times.

  • POSTED BY mulchan on | June 12, 2012, 2:59 GMT

    So much for Ramdin's being considered as a potential captain for the West Indies. His immature and rude behavior in reacting to Viv's comments shows that he has no leadership potential in him. From now on he better put in top performances with the bat and behind the stumps or he should be dropped like a hot potato. The days for selfish attitude and poor discipline on the West Indies team are gone for good. This team is on the upswing and we don't need players dragging us back down into the mud.

  • POSTED BY Sachit1979 on | June 12, 2012, 2:33 GMT

    Ramdin should act in limits. One odd century that also due to mercy of few dropped catches is not at all enough to insult a legend like Viv Richards. Moreover consistency is something that is expected from Caribbean keeper not only in batting but also in keeping. Once in a blue moon kind of performance can't justify permanent place for him in the squad.

  • POSTED BY bigfish69 on | June 12, 2012, 1:56 GMT

    Sir Viv might of been great but he was no Bradman

  • POSTED BY simonviller on | June 12, 2012, 1:49 GMT

    I do not condone Ramadin's actions ; however criticism is usually fine dependent upon the manner in which it is imparted . A young man struggling to revive his carreer would feel hard done by one of the greatest with his comments ,which could have very well derailed him ,but fortunately it did not in this instance . I remembered onr former pace bowling great for WI , publicly wranting on the air about one WI ACTIVE BATSMAN inability to bat ,which I found very unprofessional .Instead I thought that more positive words should have been used to try to inspire the young man ,or to reach out to help improve his plight .

  • POSTED BY Meety on | June 12, 2012, 1:15 GMT

    It's a funny one. On the one hand Ramdin deserves his fine, it's just not cricket! On the other hand, I think there are some positives to come out of it, 1) Passion in the team, 2) Viv's words still count for something. With respect to Ramdin's actual words, well I think Sir Viv should be able to cop it, a player does IMO have a right of reply. Hopefully this will be the making of Ramdin, YES, it was a dead rubber, YES, the match ended in a tame draw, but a ton is a ton & he should be ahead of Baugh for a while to come.

  • POSTED BY legspinner007 on | June 12, 2012, 1:13 GMT

    PK, love your pointed comment... everyone can criticize and comment and levy fines except the poor cricketer... well said my friend.

  • POSTED BY citizenkc on | June 12, 2012, 0:30 GMT

    @Rally_Windies: Whether or not Viv lived up t his potential is irrelevant, wouldn't you say? This gesture has more to do with Ramdin's maturity. I think criticisms can motivate you to do better. The greatest response of pride is to raise your bat and then go back to doing what you are doing. Take fresh guard and make more runs for your team. Your actions should speak for themselves. You shouldn't have to say anything or hold up stupid signs. Anyway, Viv has earned the right to be critical of any cricketer. Ramdin is a professional; he should be able to take it. I still remember when everyone was down on Dravid. Then last summer, he quietly and with great dignity disproved them. He never needed to hold up any signs. His response was with the bat!

  • POSTED BY _NEUTRAL_Fan_ on | June 11, 2012, 23:36 GMT

    Since when is criticism such an awful thing? Sir Viv was giving his HONEST opinion. As for Ramdin, he was disrespectful in not even writing "Sir" Viv on his little amateur scribble. You can't have players engaging with media personnel or even the crowd whilst on a field of play. What sort of nonsense is that? Furthermore, if he can't bear to hear the truth about his poor career,given by one of the greats of the game at that, I doubt he will improve. I might have fined him more.

  • POSTED BY Zahidsaltin on | June 11, 2012, 22:58 GMT

    I wished that match refree's verdict sounded like; " No one can be allowed in a field of cricket to show disrespect to the greatest batsman, Sir Viv like this"

  • POSTED BY __PK on | June 11, 2012, 22:20 GMT

    The media can criticise a player to their heart's content. The administrators can condemn a player's actions and even fine him, with no legal comeback. Even idiots like us can tweet any rubbish we want without any consequence. The only people who don't have a voice are the players - the ones whose talent and effort are actually providing the cricket for us.

  • POSTED BY Mayfield on | June 11, 2012, 22:08 GMT

    Ramdin is an example of why WI has been in the doldrums for so long. He receives a little criticism form the GREAT Viv Richards (who by the way is paid to comment on cricket) and he displays childish and immature behavior. Viv is absolutely right in his assessment. Look at the scores that most of these players had of significance and see if they came at pressure moments (helping WI to win or save a match) or if they came when it didn't matter. But yet, when they are critique, they display this type of behaviour. It should be clerar why Gibson and the WICB are trying to instill some professionalism and discipline. This guy has not achieved an iota of what Richards achieved, but yet he has the audacity to display his ignorance. He should indeed be dressed down by the manager and the WICB. Let your bat do the talking and be happy when you achieve a milestone. Don't taunt the greats of WI cricket.

  • POSTED BY tappee74 on | June 11, 2012, 21:38 GMT

    In this column,someone mentioned Viv to be the greatest .He could be considered one of the greatest striker the game has known,but to acclaim him the greatest is an exaggeration.The greatest is not in my court to judge,but there are cricketers who have performed marvelously in the course of their careers.Sachin Tendulkar,Brian Lara,C H LLoyd,IV Richards,S Gavaskar,S Waugh,R Pointing,S Chanderpaul,K Sangakara,G Sobers,The Ws,J Kallis ,and there are many more.Statistics will however prove Sachin Tendulkar & brian Lara to be the most outstanding.CH LLoyd from the WI will always be spoken of ,as one of the greatest captain and decent cricketer to play on the green fields.

  • POSTED BY Ra_Thore on | June 11, 2012, 21:00 GMT

    This will make Ramdin play even better.

  • POSTED BY jr1972 on | June 11, 2012, 20:35 GMT

    Sportsmen and there fragile egos.

  • POSTED BY JG2704 on | June 11, 2012, 20:22 GMT

    @Nadeem1976 on (June 11 2012, 18:16 PM GMT) Would you not call coming in on 150-5 a pressure situation?

  • POSTED BY raghavlara on | June 11, 2012, 20:14 GMT

    Mr.indianpunjabi. with all due respect to you.I think Viv has every right to criticise anybody when a team which he built over lot of challenges is performing badly. Does anybody show such signboard when gavaskar or kapil critices. Mr. Ramdin has scored 1600 runs in 45 tests at 28 a piece with 2 centuries and 8 fifties....Vic had scored 1700 runs in just one season... who will support such poor performance so long... he should be happy that he is still playing....instead of showing signs let his bat and gloves do the talking

  • POSTED BY Masking_Tape on | June 11, 2012, 19:58 GMT

    I think it was highly immature of Ramdin to do what he did. Calling out a great, some with the "Sir" tag, after scoring ONE century. But I do not agree with this ICC fine. Firstly because it did read anything bad. It was simple note. If anyone should fine DR, it should be the WICB, this is something they should deal with. ICC shouldn't play a part in this.

  • POSTED BY Rally_Windies on | June 11, 2012, 19:55 GMT

    respect for past players.... yes Viv deserves respect for his batting...

    but I show no respect for Viv's comments ...

    non-WI fans should note that the Great Viv, considered Hooper to be a better batsman than Lara, and actually dropped Lara and re-picked Hooper after the selectors gave Lara a test call up..

    Viv had this to say publicly : "Lara is not a good batsman and will never amount to anything" ....

    Viv also ensured Lara never played for the WI as long as he was captain ....

    Great a batsman he may be, but after that, he knows very little about what it takes to be a good batsman... And honestly, He really would not know what it takes ... He was just such a talent, and I would say that even Viv never fully lived up to his talent and fulfilled his true potential ...

    Viv should have had an average of 75+, if only he was more disciplined.

  • POSTED BY Rally_Windies on | June 11, 2012, 19:47 GMT

    Knight and Viv were both harsh and totally unfair and biased with their criticism.

    and both KP and Rhamdin were wrong in their response ...

    but I do believe Rhamdin's offence is much greater ....

    to fine KP for a tweet is a bit restrictive... but there is a code of conduct in retainer contracts...

    which is what makes Gayle's situation weird ... Gayle is not contracted by the WICB, so they actually do not have any right to penalise him for comments he made IN RESPONSE to Gibson's and Beckle's public comments ..... So Gayle should have been free and with in his rights to talk about his non-selection and mistreatment of himslef , chanderpaul and Sarawan, after the WICB dropped all 3 of them and publicly chastised them in the media ....

  • POSTED BY imranind07 on | June 11, 2012, 19:43 GMT

    Viv is perhaps starting to lose hope of the once powerful cricketing nation and wants to boost the players indirectly and it made ramdin reach what is his second ton. Don't know what else will trigger other WI players to climb to the peak again...

  • POSTED BY ElBeeDubya on | June 11, 2012, 19:37 GMT

    I am appalled by the match referee's comment: "We all understand the importance of celebrating a milestone, however, one should not use that time as an opportunity to hit out at one's critic or send messages to the world." Why Not? Players have been sending messages to critics and to the world by pointing their bats towards the pavilion or press box for years. As a TEST cricket fan, I like to see players having a bit of fun and as long as the message does not contain offensive language, why is it a problem? The tendency by ICC and national bodies such as ECB (for KP's tweeter message) and SLC (trying to muzzle players from talking to the press) to MICROMANAGE everything is NOT A WELCOME NEWS. I wonder how we can FINE THEM!

  • POSTED BY brittop on | June 11, 2012, 19:18 GMT

    Interesting that the comments so far (admittedly only 5 as I write this) agree that Ramdin was wrong and should be fined. When KP was fined for his "Nick Knight rant", the majority of comments believed he was unfairly fined (his "freedom of speech being restricted"). Wonder if that's to do with the relative standing of Viv Richards and Nick Knight. I believe KP and Ramdin were wrong and should have been fined.

  • POSTED BY Indianpunjabi on | June 11, 2012, 19:03 GMT

    Viv is not the Greatest....Bradman is the Greatest....And i Think Ramdin did the Right Thing Becoz Who is Viv 2 comment on Ramdin ?

  • POSTED BY Trickstar on | June 11, 2012, 18:56 GMT

    LOL could you just imagine the name calling if it had been KP that had done this, quite a few people wouldn't be so quick to write it off then. As for Ramdin, if he isn't going to except criticism too well he ought to do one, Viv's paid to give his opinions about players, especially WI players and lets be honest about this he's looked out of his depth all series. Where was he all series, why wait till there's nothing to play for in a game lasting 2 days. Well done for getting his ton but lets face it England were already sat at home waiting for the one day series to begin and he has the nerve to call out one of the greatest cricketers ever, immature and very childish to say the least.

  • POSTED BY godfreyse on | June 11, 2012, 18:45 GMT

    This is really unfortunate, but I saw it coming.The ICC's action was firm & swift & sent a clear message regarding discipline. Discipline must be maintained at all cost. Ramdin must take responsibility for his not so prudent action. I do hope that the young man sees this as a learning curve & put serious thought into his future actions. Be cool Ram this will blow over. In future let the bat & gloves do the talking.

  • POSTED BY BigGeorgeMehemood on | June 11, 2012, 18:37 GMT

    i dont see anything wrong with his note! And he should not be fined! The note should have read "THIS ONE IS FOR VIV"

  • POSTED BY Dilmah82 on | June 11, 2012, 18:24 GMT

    Viv is a paid commentator. It his job to express his opinion. I am a Ramdin fan, but on stats Viv maybe right that he has under-achieved. As mentioned early, at least KP responded on his own personal twitter account. Ramdin did it in the stadium, during the game. He could have made a comment about it afterwards in a press conference and said it upset him, and was used as motivation, a bit like Ganguly did when he revealed Chappell asked him to step aside from the team. What he has done is added extra pressure on himself. Because no there is a expectation for him to score big regularly, or have the same statement slammed back in his face!

  • POSTED BY Nadeem1976 on | June 11, 2012, 18:16 GMT

    Just start giving respect to great cricketers of past otherwise WI cricket will go down ward and downward forever. This was real sad situation. The guy acted like the his century won the test series for WI but you have already lost the series and it's dead match. I can score century under no pressure. So sad.

  • POSTED BY MWaqqar on | June 11, 2012, 18:12 GMT

    If Ramdin over reacted, now a lot of people including ICC are over reacting. This issue should be buried and move on.

  • POSTED BY flang on | June 11, 2012, 18:10 GMT

    wont be surprise if a number of players pull this stunt in the future. All this publicity for 20% of your match fee. Thats a great bargain!

  • POSTED BY Khali_Singh on | June 11, 2012, 18:06 GMT

    Its Ok for Gayle to slam virtually everybody in the WIBC hierarchy. But it is wrong for Ramdin to slam a commentator. This is not the first time a player has sent a message to someone in the crowd or box but this is unique because it was a piece of paper. Think Hussain when he got a hundred batting at 3 in a ODI, Samaraweera with his gun and many more. It is amazing that the ICC has step in here when in other instances they were muted. What next for Mr.Ramdin maybe a WICB fine? then a T&T Board fine?

  • POSTED BY cricket_critic on | June 11, 2012, 17:59 GMT

    what's wrong in that gesture......when a critic can be as personal as these great cricketers cum TV commentators ...then why players can not hit back..after all they are also humans...and not robots.....

    Mr. Viv was indeed greatest batsman of past era but he also suffered lost form at times......then why dont players like viv support other players in tough times....

  • POSTED BY Azweer on | June 11, 2012, 17:58 GMT

    then wht for Viv's comments then??????? Players are like students and the one who comments on them are professors???????

  • POSTED BY serious-am-i on | June 11, 2012, 17:57 GMT

    I begin to wonder how many such papers "taking on ex-cricketers/legends", we would be seeing in the future from other players when they reach their milestones.

  • POSTED BY thegaffoor on | June 11, 2012, 17:40 GMT

    Perhaps, it was a trick by the great Sir Viv. He would have knew about this guys potential. Some people don't like advices, but when humiliated and criticized, they want to perform to silence them. But still perhaps..

  • POSTED BY US_Indian on | June 11, 2012, 17:33 GMT

    With due respect to Sir Viv , who in my opinion is above the Don's, The Sachin's and Lara's and Gayle's of the world but as a senior citizen and respected player, if he had worries and concerns about the deterioration of WI cricket or individual performances, he could step in as a mentor, coach, guide even as a freelancer not necessarily a paid one or on the payroll of WICB but as a good human being with a big heart and coach youngsters and pass on the education instead he chose the wrong way to project his feeling, who as a commentator has every right to talk about letharginess, shot selection or foot work etc purely in terms of cricket but not pick any individual and pass scathing remarks, based on that situation what Ramdin did was right, if Viv had done in print or in private then Ramdin would have done in private too. He had a note in his pocket means he knew he can do it and he did it which shows his talent and will power to prove someone wrong. But the fine ICC imposed is wrong.

  • POSTED BY PACERONE on | June 11, 2012, 17:33 GMT

    What if Gower had made the same remarks about Ramdin,,would he have had the note. Viv is working in radio/television and has to tell it like he sees it. All who think Ramdin had a right to do what he did should send him money to make up for the 20% he lost.That would be wonderful!!

  • POSTED BY SuperSharky on | June 11, 2012, 17:22 GMT

    I am glad that Viv commented on Ramdin;s recent poor form before he scored his century. And I'm glad that Viv's comments inspired and motivated Ramdin to concentrate and score a century. I'm also glad that Ramdin responded to Viv's comments, cause that's what you expect from a fighter and that shows that he respects and take notice of Viv's comments. I think that Darren Bravo is now in a slump of poor form. Maybe Viv can inspire and motivate Bravo too. I wouldn't mind if Bravo also right his own letter to his hero after scoring a century.

  • POSTED BY 777aditya on | June 11, 2012, 17:18 GMT

    had Richards been in Ramdin's shoes, he would have done the same - so let go and go and forgive and forget. It is just a sport, everyone has pent up emotions, dont let egos spoil the poor guy's achievement - no one is talking about Ramdin's century!

  • POSTED BY tappee74 on | June 11, 2012, 17:14 GMT

    Ramdin has paid the price for a disgusting behaviour,he has taken away the attention of a well made century by this infamous act.Given a fine sends a strong message to other players.We must be open minded and accept criticisms;it helps in the process of molding a better human being. Beside being a famous cricketer,Vivian in my opinion has not been a gentleman.His title of Sir is an over estimation.

  • POSTED BY zaman123456 on | June 11, 2012, 17:06 GMT

    May be Ramdin felt that is the best way of answering his critics, But what Sir Viv said not wrong either, numbers will show the quality and numbers on Ramdin isn't better for him.. he must thank Sir Viv because he got such motivation determination to score a century, Scoring a century itself answer all the critics. and he needs to develop his game in future..... I would like to see no such incident in the future....

  • POSTED BY Srini88 on | June 11, 2012, 17:01 GMT

    It would have been great when he showed the message when he was on zero and then scored a hundred.. Like what viv would do!!lol..

  • POSTED BY Shankar_TSH on | June 11, 2012, 16:14 GMT

    Viv might be the greatest cricketer on earth, which he is, but it would be great if he can step on the field as coach/manager and confront individuals in person and not through Radio or Television. If it was very unbecoming of Ramdin, it was disgraceful for someone of Viv's stature to pass comments... There are two sides to the coin always!!!

  • POSTED BY Vivek78 on | June 11, 2012, 16:00 GMT

    Do every player have reacted to criticism like this. This is totally unacceptable behavior from Ramdin towards his countrymen. I'm sorry to tell but he should be axed from the team.

  • POSTED BY jmcilhinney on | June 11, 2012, 15:54 GMT

    This is no surprise. I think that Ramdin probably took Richards' comments a bit too personally but I have no real issue with his being annoyed or using it as motivation to prove him wring or even approaching Richards after the game and asking him if he still felt the same way. It's the fact that he pulled this premeditated stunt on the field of play that makes him look childish. The pitch is for playing cricket, not settling personal grudges or the like. Ill-advised or not, at least KP had the decency to vent his feelings on Twitter, a forum intended for the purpose. I just think about how Andrew Strauss handled all the criticism heaped on him lately and how he carried himself after making a hundred at the start of this series. Whatever his faults as a cricketer - and they have been overstated by many - he was gracious and is a gentleman. No tweets, no notes. Ramdin is experienced enough to know better.

  • POSTED BY Heisenburg on | June 11, 2012, 15:46 GMT

    Gigantic overreaction? Leave him alone, Viv said publicly about how he shouldn't be in the team, this is his career on the line, and his words do sway public opinion about him, Ramdin should have every right to tell him otherwise, good on you Ramdin.

  • POSTED BY lanka-is-the-best on | June 11, 2012, 15:41 GMT

    I think that Ramdin deserved this and had it coming for doing such a shameful thing to a man who is miles above him as a batsman and is one of the greats.

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  • POSTED BY lanka-is-the-best on | June 11, 2012, 15:41 GMT

    I think that Ramdin deserved this and had it coming for doing such a shameful thing to a man who is miles above him as a batsman and is one of the greats.

  • POSTED BY Heisenburg on | June 11, 2012, 15:46 GMT

    Gigantic overreaction? Leave him alone, Viv said publicly about how he shouldn't be in the team, this is his career on the line, and his words do sway public opinion about him, Ramdin should have every right to tell him otherwise, good on you Ramdin.

  • POSTED BY jmcilhinney on | June 11, 2012, 15:54 GMT

    This is no surprise. I think that Ramdin probably took Richards' comments a bit too personally but I have no real issue with his being annoyed or using it as motivation to prove him wring or even approaching Richards after the game and asking him if he still felt the same way. It's the fact that he pulled this premeditated stunt on the field of play that makes him look childish. The pitch is for playing cricket, not settling personal grudges or the like. Ill-advised or not, at least KP had the decency to vent his feelings on Twitter, a forum intended for the purpose. I just think about how Andrew Strauss handled all the criticism heaped on him lately and how he carried himself after making a hundred at the start of this series. Whatever his faults as a cricketer - and they have been overstated by many - he was gracious and is a gentleman. No tweets, no notes. Ramdin is experienced enough to know better.

  • POSTED BY Vivek78 on | June 11, 2012, 16:00 GMT

    Do every player have reacted to criticism like this. This is totally unacceptable behavior from Ramdin towards his countrymen. I'm sorry to tell but he should be axed from the team.

  • POSTED BY Shankar_TSH on | June 11, 2012, 16:14 GMT

    Viv might be the greatest cricketer on earth, which he is, but it would be great if he can step on the field as coach/manager and confront individuals in person and not through Radio or Television. If it was very unbecoming of Ramdin, it was disgraceful for someone of Viv's stature to pass comments... There are two sides to the coin always!!!

  • POSTED BY Srini88 on | June 11, 2012, 17:01 GMT

    It would have been great when he showed the message when he was on zero and then scored a hundred.. Like what viv would do!!lol..

  • POSTED BY zaman123456 on | June 11, 2012, 17:06 GMT

    May be Ramdin felt that is the best way of answering his critics, But what Sir Viv said not wrong either, numbers will show the quality and numbers on Ramdin isn't better for him.. he must thank Sir Viv because he got such motivation determination to score a century, Scoring a century itself answer all the critics. and he needs to develop his game in future..... I would like to see no such incident in the future....

  • POSTED BY tappee74 on | June 11, 2012, 17:14 GMT

    Ramdin has paid the price for a disgusting behaviour,he has taken away the attention of a well made century by this infamous act.Given a fine sends a strong message to other players.We must be open minded and accept criticisms;it helps in the process of molding a better human being. Beside being a famous cricketer,Vivian in my opinion has not been a gentleman.His title of Sir is an over estimation.

  • POSTED BY 777aditya on | June 11, 2012, 17:18 GMT

    had Richards been in Ramdin's shoes, he would have done the same - so let go and go and forgive and forget. It is just a sport, everyone has pent up emotions, dont let egos spoil the poor guy's achievement - no one is talking about Ramdin's century!

  • POSTED BY SuperSharky on | June 11, 2012, 17:22 GMT

    I am glad that Viv commented on Ramdin;s recent poor form before he scored his century. And I'm glad that Viv's comments inspired and motivated Ramdin to concentrate and score a century. I'm also glad that Ramdin responded to Viv's comments, cause that's what you expect from a fighter and that shows that he respects and take notice of Viv's comments. I think that Darren Bravo is now in a slump of poor form. Maybe Viv can inspire and motivate Bravo too. I wouldn't mind if Bravo also right his own letter to his hero after scoring a century.