England v West Indies, 2nd ODI, The Oval

Cook hundred seals series for England

The Report by Andrew McGlashan

June 19, 2012

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England 239 for 2 (Cook 112, Bell 53) beat West Indies 238 for 9 (Dwayne Bravo 77, Gayle 53) by eight wickets
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Alastair Cook looks heaven-ward as he reaches a 114-ball century, England v West Indies, 2nd ODI, The Oval, June 19, 2012
Alastair Cook continued the prolific form of England's openers in one-day cricket © Getty Images
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So much for West Indies providing tougher opposition in the one-day format. Even with Chris Gayle back in the side, and in the runs, England cantered to victory by eight wickets at The Oval to seal the series. Alastair Cook struck his third ODI hundred in six matches, adding 122 for the first wicket with Ian Bell, after another collective bowling effort kept the lid on West Indies after a brief onslaught by Gayle.

On a day overshadowed by the death of Surrey batsman Tom Maynard on Monday it was a largely subdued affair. The match was preceded by a minute's silence and the players wore black armbands while a book of condolence was opened in the pavilion. England had wanted to secure victory in memory of Maynard - a player tipped to graduate to the top level - and once they had ended Gayle's innings the home side never lost control despite a hundred stand between Dwayne Bravo and Kieron Pollard.

Cook's hundred - his fourth as captain - was a superbly controlled innings and came off 114 balls to continue the prolific run of England openers in the one-day game. This innings takes it to six on the trot which is new record for any team in ODIs. Cook's full range of shots were on display and not just the cut, drive and pull that prove so prolific in Tests. He brought out the slog-sweep against Sunil Narine, upper-cut Darren Sammy down to third man and, with the target closing in, pulled a six over long-on off the front foot before top edging a slower ball next delivery.

The West Indies bowling attack offered barely any concerns for them. The recalled Tino Best was quick but erratic as he conceded 31 in his opening four overs while Narine still could not trouble England as he has other opposition.

Bell drove elegantly off the back foot through the off side while Cook picked off his favourite cut shot while also driving through cover and past mid-off - a sign that his game is in good work working order. Narine was introduced straight after the first set of fielding restrictions but England were already well ahead of the rate and only needed to milk him. Not that they spurned boundary opportunities, though, with Cook collecting consecutive fours.

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  • This is only the third time that England have beaten West Indies by a margin of eight or more wickets. The last time they did so was in Barbados in 2009.
  • The number of deliveries remaining after England's win (30) is the second-highest for a successful chase by England against West Indies (200-plus score).
  • England have now won their last six home series. Their last home series defeat came against Australia in 2009 when they lost 6-1.
  • Alastair Cook's century is his fifth in ODIs and his first against West Indies. Three of his centuries have come in his last six innings.
  • The 122-run stand between Cook and Ian Bell is the sixth-highest opening stand for England against West Indies and the fourth-highest for England at The Oval.
  • The number of sixes hit by Chris Gayle during his 53 (5) is level second on the list of most sixes hit in an innings by a West Indian batsman against England. Gayle is on top with eight sixes in Barbados in 2009.

Bell's fifty came off 60 deliveries as he continued his resurgent return to the one-day team following the hundred he made in the opening match of the series. However, he could not close in on back-to-back hundreds (to follow the feats of Cook and Kevin Pietersen against Pakistan) as he pushed firmly at a Sammy delivery which he indicated stopped in the surface.

West Indies had threatened a more daunting target when Gayle peppered the stands during a 41-ball fifty with five sixes in 11 deliveries including three in a row in Tim Bresnan's first over after the innings had made a sedate start. An emerging trait of this England one-day team, though, is that they do not panic under pressure and Cook was rewarded for some smart captaincy when he introduced Graeme Swann ahead of Stuart Broad.

Swann's first over cost three, then, with the third ball of his second, he won an lbw decision from Tony Hill who ruled the ball had struck pad fractionally before the inside edge. Gayle reviewed the decision immediately and third umpire, Kumar Dharmasena, had a long look before ruling that there was not sufficient evidence to overturn the decision, much to Gayle's frustration as he lingered at the crease.

Despite Gayle's innings the scoring rate had not escaped from England, largely because they had kept Lendl Simmons very quiet at the other end. It was a painful innings from Simmons who struggled for timing as he laboured for 50 deliveries before chancing a single to mid-off where he was beaten by a direct hit from Cook.

Either side of that West Indies had lost two of their in-form batsmen. Dwayne Smith, who opened in the first match in Gayle's absence and this time was at No. 3 in place of the injured Darren Bravo, flashed at a wide delivery in Broad's first over. It was crucial Marlon Samuels steadied the innings but four balls after Simmons' run out he lazily picked out deep midwicket with a top-edged pull.

The visitors were threatening to completely lose their way but Bravo, with a display of class strokeplay, and Pollard, with a little more brute strength, played sensibly to at least ensure the total passed 200, as West Indies faded again at the end. A rare mistake from England came when Pollard was given a life on 28 with Craig Kieswetter missing a stumping chance the ball before the batting Powerplay was taken, and the fielding restrictions brought 47 runs - only for the final five overs of the innings to bring just 19. The momentum was England's and it never left them.

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Posted by CricketingStargazer on (June 22, 2012, 15:56 GMT)

Good luck with the BCCI, Yorkshirepudding! Especially given the recent ICC decision that the top 4 sides should play each other much more and the weaker sides much less.

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (June 22, 2012, 13:18 GMT)

@CricketingStargazer, I would agree that there should be a weighting for home and away conditions, I'd also like to see teams credited with bonuses for winning by Innings run. Though I do stop short at Bowling/Batting bonus points. I also agree that series should be standardised, and would start by removing 2 test series from the equation which are at best pointless. As for being selective the ICC needs to take a stance and insist that all teams play each other home and away in an FTP cycle, if they dont then the board/country that is blocking the series is punished by having points from thier best 2 results over the previous 3 years period removed, unless there is a just reason behind the decision.

Posted by CricketingStargazer on (June 22, 2012, 11:38 GMT)

Yes, Yorkshirepudding, it was the original system that saw England ranked bottom in 1999. Part of the problem was that, initially, not all teams wanted to play Bangladesh at all. Australia, for example, took a long time to stage a series against them. India has never hosted a tour. Similarly, Zimbabwe were only playing certain sides and not all home and away. South Africa, in contrast, picked up 8 easy points by staging a bilateral 2-Test series against both Zim and Ban and claimed the #1 ranking when it was recognised that Australia was far, far ahead of anyone else. That is what prompted the ICC to make the change because it was just ludicrous how state of the table depended on how you loaded your fixture list. The 3 point system also runs into problems with short series against longer ones. It only really works if everyone DOES play home and away, which they do not (and I would also give 3pts for an away series win and 2 for a home win) and all series are a standard format.

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (June 22, 2012, 9:59 GMT)

@CricketingStargazer, I didnt realise it had been used before, and yes it was open to abuse as all systems are, but a simple solution would be to say only the first Home and Away series in an FTP cycle counted and only if they are a minimum of 3 test series, it would help if the FTP cycle was agreed that each team played the other 8 (9 when zimbabwe finally come back), through an entire cycle, with only the first home and away series between the two counting in each cycle.

Posted by CricketingStargazer on (June 22, 2012, 7:52 GMT)

@karthik_raja, having a totally fair system is almost impossible. The FTP works on a 5 year cycle, but a team rarely stays the same for 5 years. England's side now has few players in common with the 2007 team, so the points system works over only 3 years, which is about fair in terms of changes of form (England's turnaround came in 2009, so the ratings are now working exclusively on England's good years). Any period shorter than 3 years looks too little (how many Tests do New Zealand or Bangladesh play in 2 years?) I don't think 4 or 5 years would work well (does India really want those 8 consecutive defeats used in its ranking for 5 years?) One change that I would make is to reward away wins more than home wins - it has been a persistent suggestion - but that does lead to other complications (most notably that India refuse to play some sides in India and Pakistan does not play at home). If you have any ideas, then I am all ears (or, on here, "eyes" at least).

Posted by CricketingStargazer on (June 22, 2012, 7:38 GMT)

Yorkshirepudding, that was the points system that the ICC used originally. It was open to abuse (rack up points playing weaker sides, 2-Test series give the same points as 5-Test series, etc) and led to South Africa becoming #1 on the basis of wins against Zimbabwe and Bangladesh before losing 5-1 to Australia. Because of this the system was changed to the present one that recognises that 2-0 v Bangladesh does not have the same value as 3-1 v Australia. Please, no going back!

Posted by 5wombats on (June 22, 2012, 6:57 GMT)

@landl47. The wombats are in fine fettle except that our burrows are flooded!

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (June 22, 2012, 6:27 GMT)

@karthik_raja,It can be frustrating when CI dont publish comments. However, I still maintain the ranking system needs overhauling, and simplifying, but which ever method is chosen would be critisied by some fans. Personally I dont see why you cant have 3 points for a series win, 1 for a draw, with bonus points for Innings wins and the winning margin.

Posted by landl47 on (June 22, 2012, 4:23 GMT)

Oh, and I should add that R_U_4_REAL_NICK would be making witty remarks that are nothing more than hilarious facts/observations delivered with impeccable timing, with a few big words mixed in to try and sound as sophisticated as possible. @5wombats: thanks for the welcome back. I trust the wombats are well?

Posted by g.narsimha on (June 22, 2012, 3:09 GMT)

A VACANT SLIP-I never mentioned in my any of erlier posts on our 83 wc , i just marly said it in response to a critics coments that we won nothing in ENG, I do agree that our ENG, AUS tours were just nightmares but u r assertion that INDIA won nothing in the last 15 years out side IND is not at all in confirmity with the facts ,appears like double comedy , during this period , in erlier tours to ENG we won series, t-20 wc in SA ,NZ, WI , drawing in SA, AuS , CB SERIE,S even though we were defeated very badly in those 2 series it doesnt mean we are worth less as few are out here to prove always reminding us of those 2 tours .in fact it is during the last decade our away performance was impressive .

Posted by karthik_raja on (June 22, 2012, 2:44 GMT)

@YorkshirePudding. @JG @CricketingStargazer Thanks for acknowledging my post. Few of my posts r not getting published. well. b4 Ind-Eng series, many critics in this forum and also few players, commentators(whom I respect) raised doubts abt the ICC rankings simply bcoz, Ind was ranked #1. The main reason stated was India's overseas failure. And many concluded that ICC ranking system needs revision. U can chk the (pre Eng Tour) forums. Also, if u hv followed these columns closely, u wil very well know the term "green track bullies" came frm "flat track bullies". So, all these comments which Ind fans r throwing back r wt they got frm non-Ind fans few time back. If they had been appreciated whn they topped the chart, I believe Eng wud also hv got respect now.

Posted by 5wombats on (June 21, 2012, 22:42 GMT)

@g.narsimha on (June 21 2012, 12:28 PM GMT) You state; "but we accept that our last ENG, AUS tours were desastrous , no excuses" - good - about time too. No England fan said that England's ODI tour of India 2012 was anything other than appalling. England should have been competitive there, but weren't. England were shocking, no excuses - but there was way too much gloating. Now - lets close this chapter and move on. @g.narismha great feasts of cricket await in England this summer (if it would stop raining for long enough) - how about we cease fire and enjoy what's on the table, eh? Cricket is King here - right?

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (June 21, 2012, 22:22 GMT)

@karthik_raja, I have to agree, for me India were at thier peak in 2006-7, and were it not for Australia being so dominant in that period India may well have been top of the pile earlier than they were, I've never said it was a fluke about India, and even over the last 12 months I've been saying that we are going to see the number one spot fluctuate among 2 or 3 teams as the cycle progresses as there is no one stand out team. Over the last 3 years England have hit a rich vein of form (9 Series wins from 13), but we've seen that they arnt undefeatable, after the Pakistan series, where the batsmen struggled in every test. I will admit I had gret hopes of a competative series last year with India, and at times it was eg, at Lords and Trent Bridge, and i hope we have a competative series with SA this summer as its good for cricket, win or lose.

Posted by 5wombats on (June 21, 2012, 22:14 GMT)

@landl47 - sweet. Got it in one, or two. :-) Welcome home.

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (June 21, 2012, 20:52 GMT)

@landl47: I missed you too. You forgot to mention my witty remarks that are nothing more than hilarious facts/observations delivered with impeccable timing, with a few big words mixed in to try and sound as sophisticated as possible. That about right?

Posted by landl47 on (June 21, 2012, 20:09 GMT)

I've been away, seen no cricket, just the results. I thought when I came back I'd see: WI fans ignoring the size and ease of the England wins and complaining that something was unfair; arguments about the DRS; JG2704 and jmcilhinney making factual statements which can't be contradicted so are ignored by the non-England fans; no claims by any England supporter that England are the best side ever but claims by non-England fans that England fans are saying that; no-one saying anything about Narine, the mystery bowler who was supposed to bewilder England's batsmen but obviously hasn't; Indian fans claiming that only cricket played in the sub-continent matters, ignoring the other 60% of the cricketing world; and last and certainly least, RandyOz saying nothing about the England wins but seeking desperately for some other way of rubbishing England. How accurate were my predictions? Read this thread and see.

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (June 21, 2012, 16:30 GMT)

@ Godfrey Pieters (Post on June 21 2012, 13:00 PM GMT): even I can answer that mate: because he thought it was out...

Posted by bobmartin on (June 21, 2012, 15:48 GMT)

@ Godfrey Pieters on (June 21 2012, 13:00 PM GMT) " What made HILL put that finger in the air?" Speaking as an umpire it's quite simple.. He considered what he'd seen and obviously thought the ball hit the pad before hitting the bat. And incidentally, there was never any concrete proof that he was wrong. End of story.

Posted by   on (June 21, 2012, 14:00 GMT)

This is my 5th comment on Gayle's dismissal. So far not one has been posted. So I'll try again. We r having this debate because,having viewed the replay on TV, millions cannot conclusively say that the ball had hit Gayle's pad first. Now TONY HILL will be 61 on the 26th June(public info). I don't care who u r, your eye sight deteriorates as u get older. Swann's delivery to Gayle was his quicker one. Hill saw the action in real time. Hill's style of umpiring is unlike Steve Bucknor, who always takes his time. Hill took an unusually long time to put Gayle out. What made HILL put that finger in the air?

Posted by g.narsimha on (June 21, 2012, 13:28 GMT)

A York Shire Lad - We never ever clamed that we won test series in AUS, SA , here i just responding to few crictics who are still whining on u r home heroics against that too in the last tour, as we fared better in our previos outings in ENG , but we accept that our last ENG, AUS tours were desostrous , no excuses ,

Posted by I1tohalfsecs on (June 21, 2012, 13:18 GMT)

cooks so under rated his t20 strike rate is 129 y isnt he in the team?

Posted by   on (June 21, 2012, 12:18 GMT)

It was sad to c Gayle go the way he did. His knock was entertaining to say the least. DJ's knock was refreshing. Hopefully we can pull s/thing out of the bag for the final ODI & the T20.

Posted by JG2704 on (June 21, 2012, 12:06 GMT)

@jb633 on (June 20 2012, 20:02 PM GMT) - During the UAE tour our fans (inc myself) were by and large our own fiercest critics. To be fair - in the past - India had always performed better in Eng than Eng did in the SC and it has certainly not always been the case that India have been bad away from home. I don't get the mentality of some cricket fans on here either. Like the Gayle incident , very few who disagreed with the decision could just simply say that they feel he was unlucky and have to go on to say it was biased , disgusting etc etc

Posted by JG2704 on (June 21, 2012, 12:05 GMT)

@AKS286 on (June 20 2012, 20:10 PM GMT) - Ok. I just don't agree with you. Besides the fact that none of the countries you mentioned are even playing test cricket , WI have been more competitive vs Eng and Aus in tests than Eng were in UAE in tests and India in ODIs and than India were in Eng and Aus in tests. They might not be all that far away from winning matches and in ODIs they just drew a home series with clear world number 1s Australia.

Posted by JG2704 on (June 21, 2012, 12:05 GMT)

@karthik_raja on (June 21 2012, 01:49 AM GMT) Ok I can understand that you are saying that you are disagreeing with JB's comms saying that Eng have been Inconsistent and India embarrassing but I can see his points of view although I do feel that our batting displays in the UAE tests and the SL 1st tests were also embarrassing. To be fair to you in that post your English was fine - just that when you put embarrassing/inconsistent remarks it made it seem that you were saying JBs remarks themselves were embarrassing etc

Posted by karthik_raja on (June 21, 2012, 11:55 GMT)

@Valavan. Good that at least few English fans r talking with supporting stats(taking a fair amount of period under consideration), instead of just keep on talking abt recent (only one) series. They hv understood that just one series win/loss will never put any team ahead/behind. So, please don't drag thm to ur way of commenting.

Posted by karthik_raja on (June 21, 2012, 10:30 GMT)

@YorkshirePudding on (June 21 2012, 07:13 AM GMT). Spot on. I agree with current standings Eng r better and might change in coming winter. Again, I repeat my point. Ind has always done reasonably well baring these 2 recent overseas tours in last decade. If u remove these 2 tours(not an excuse, bt just to put few things in perspective), Ind's W/L ratio will shoot up to 67%. This indicates that Ind's #1 rank was not a mistake/fluke as many of ur friends r thinking. Yes. India played like undeserved champions, mainly coz of lack of planning/fitness/practice. And Eng/Aus played their best cricket. Result 0-8. I have only 3 points to make. 1. India's #1 rank was no fluke. 2. Not only India, even Eng,Aus,SA(the other top teams) play inconsistent cricket right now. 3.Eng is definitely a gud team, bt not as best as it seemed whn it played against Ind. Similarly, Ind is not as bad as it seemed whn they played in Eng.

Posted by Valavan on (June 21, 2012, 9:39 GMT)

@AllEnglishfans, what you try to explain to indianfans, whatever ENGLAND achieves out of HOME, its because of mere luck or home team underperformed, but whatever India achieves OUT of subcontinent, even against NZ or WI or ZIM, they will treat that as a great victory and as if none has done that in past, Its pointless speaking statistics with them, even in 2050, they will speak about 2002 Natwest series win. Comon Guys, have a great midsummer festival. cricinfo, hope you publish this. thanks.

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (June 21, 2012, 8:13 GMT)

@karthik_raja, I had 3 choices for seaming conditions, NZ, WI and Zimbabwe, Zimbabwe by essence of being in the wilderness for the best part of 12 years was eliminated, WI thier wickets over the last 5-10 years arnt as quick and seam friendly as they once were and more likely to spin. So to quell any issues lets remove NZ and DB from the equation, In tests England (vs Ind,SL,Pak) P28, W5, L12, D11, Ind (vs SA,Aus,Eng), P32, W6 ,L17 ,D9. In Odi's England P46, W14, L31, T1, NR0, India P52, W14, L34, T1, NR3. So in tests england in the sub-con (including UAE), have a test W/L ratio of 41.67%, India in Seaming conditions have a W/L ratio of 35.29%, in Odi's the W/L ratio is 45.16% for England and for india 41.16%. Which is suprising as I would have had India as the better ODI team, even in foreign conditions. That may change in the eagerly anticipated Winter tour to India.

Posted by   on (June 21, 2012, 7:22 GMT)

Westindes curent team reminding 90,s pakistani team as half of team was consist of allrounder wasim,azhar,afridi,razq and all were intertanier and and give a new touch to odi cricket and recomend the idea of t20 how it can be after see their last 10overs sloging...but westindes all rounder far inexperince in bowling....they need 1 senusable game caluculater batsman like beven/inzi and 1 leading bowler

Posted by karthik_raja on (June 21, 2012, 3:56 GMT)

@YorkshirePudding. Yes. BD is more competitive in their home conditions. Bt, they r no way near NZ(i their home turf). U can definitely consider the performances against BD. Bt, u cant treat them as equal as NZ. If u r considering BD only coz it is in subcontinent, thn y don't u consider Zim as overseas performance of India(esp, since u r considering SA). Stats can b tweaked as u like. No Indian fan will think Ind is unbeatable in foreign conditions. Coz, Ind hav never been so. Bt, they r not such a "low" as u Eng fans think. Baring these 2 recent overseas series, Ind hav performed considerably good in recent times. U can check the results by urself.

Posted by karthik_raja on (June 21, 2012, 2:49 GMT)

@JG. I may not b as gud as U in english. Bt, if u cud read back Posted by jb633 on (June 20 2012, 08:48 AM GMT), u wil knw wt i mean here abt inconsistent/embarassing. If u r still not clear, I am not saying his comments r embarrassing/inconsistent. Bt, i dont agree with wt he mean by embarrassing/inconsistent performances.

Posted by VivGilchrist on (June 21, 2012, 0:13 GMT)

@maximum6, you are comparing the stats of someone who has taken 188 wickets to one that has taken 708? Warne can't be judged on just stats. His aura, tactical brilliance, and sheer entertainment value alone make him one of the greats.

Posted by simonviller on (June 21, 2012, 0:07 GMT)

From some of the comments here ,everything wrong is the coach's fault ! A player screws up , it's the coach ,loose a match ,it's the coach . PLay eleven blame the coach . Maybe WI should play their whole squad ; that would make some happy . Unfortunately that can't happen ,so please stop whinning and accept the choices on offer .

Posted by   on (June 20, 2012, 22:10 GMT)

Excuses, excuses, excuses. We simply are being beaten by a superior professional side. Our ODI team is a collection of so called superstars which hasn't jelled yet. We need a settled ODI team. We don't have anybody who is willing to bat for long periods in the manner Bell & Cook did for England. A gluish batsman who holds the innings together while scoring freely. We have basically macho batsmen who want to rip the cover off the ball from ball one. For me, Gayle was out. Watched replays several times and ball hit pad FIRST. So let's cut out all the rubbish assertions about bias.

I say IPL is detrimental to the younger players (from all countries) because several of them haven't learned yet how to switch from one format to the other. Jury is still out on Narine for me. Young player new to int'l cricket possessing enough potential to make a name for himself. But performances in Britsville so far haven't justified pre-appearance hype.

We should beat the Black Caps on home turf in a few.

Posted by AKS286 on (June 20, 2012, 21:10 GMT)

@JG no harsh feeling bro. if irish, dutch & namibia gets opportunity to play more cricket then we get new strong teams. where is lawson, dillon, rose ?

Posted by jb633 on (June 20, 2012, 21:02 GMT)

@JG207, just simply can't understand the mentality that has developed with numerous Indian fans. I am happy to listen to opinions about our faults against spin bowling in Asia, they are too big to ignore. It appears stupid to say that the English fans and media have completley forgotten about our woes in the sub continent. If you listen to Nasser praise any of our batsmen he will invariably start the sentence with the words "in these conditions". Anyone with any cricket brain will realise that the problem with our batsmen comes against spin in Asia. If my memory serves me correctly before India came last year, we could not wait for India to come as they had some class players. The term flat track bullies was coined during that series, and I think it was reflective of the mood many cricket fans had. The Indian players showed no fight or courage in any match throughout the tour, and fans felt robbed of their hard earned money when watching a days play live. There was simply no contest!

Posted by   on (June 20, 2012, 19:10 GMT)

West Indies have not turned 4 corners.

Posted by JG2704 on (June 20, 2012, 18:56 GMT)

@YorkshirePudding on (June 20 2012, 14:11 PM GMT) Another turning point was Pollard going with 10 overs to go. At that point I could quite easily have seen them posting 275ish and it would have been interesting to see if Bell/Cook/Trott and Bopara could cope with chasing a total around 5.5RPO.

Posted by JG2704 on (June 20, 2012, 18:53 GMT)

@AKS286 on (June 20 2012, 16:19 PM GMT) Yes - we've heard this opinion from you before and I answered it thoroughly. I suggest you take it up with ICC if you feel that strongly about it

Posted by AKS286 on (June 20, 2012, 17:19 GMT)

@JG& FANS "WI fought very bravely but as usual the result of every fight is DEFEAT". now all players are playing to whom you all shouting since test matches. WI is suffering since WILLS WORLD CUP - 93 all out. till now. WI international status must be taken under scrutiny. WI must play icc intercontinental cup IF qualify then comes to international cricket.

Posted by brittop on (June 20, 2012, 17:08 GMT)

@whatawicket: You must be really starved of humour if you think those two are funny!

Posted by JG2704 on (June 20, 2012, 16:30 GMT)

Re Gayle - I noticed that when he was confirmed out after the review he stood his ground for a while. I remember all sorts of comments about Swann and Broad for "bad behaviour" for excessive appealing etc on their tour of India and yet not one comment about Gayle standing his ground. I wonder what comms we would have had if that was Cook or Bell etc ...? PS if the TV umpire was at all biased - being Sri Lankan and SL and Eng being so close in the rankings , surely he'd have wanted Gayle to stay

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (June 20, 2012, 15:11 GMT)

@jmcilhinney, very true, in both regards, if nothing else Gayle created a good foundation, withthe windies going at about 5 an over in the first fiew overs, but the rest of the batsmen werent able to dig in and keep the momentum, instead they tried to bat like Gayle and holed out.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (June 20, 2012, 14:51 GMT)

@Stark62 on (June 20 2012, 11:50 AM GMT), what a ridiculous statement. Firstly, there's as many people who will say that Gayle was definitely out as will say that he was not out. At worst it was unlucky. Disgusting? Talk about hyperbole! Regardless of that, how do you know that he wouldn't have been out the very next ball anyway? Even with Gayle's dismissal WI were still in a decent position. They still would have won had the rest of the team performed up to par. That is the crux of the matter. If everyone keeps moaning about Gayle then they're missing the point: he's just one player and if WI are to be competitive then they need to perform as a team, not ride one players coat-tails.

Posted by   on (June 20, 2012, 13:53 GMT)

Alot of varied opinions on here and the criticisms all have some valid points, but i think it'a asking alot for a makeshift team, to gel against a established side like England on their home turf. Gayle's dismissal is subjective, personally i thought it was inclusive and should've got the benefit, but the 3rd umpire had a different view and made his decision, so what's done is done. All the talk about Simmons batting too slow, well maybe he did, but let's not forget that this is a 50-over match and not t20. One batsman anchoring the innings and playing around some big-hitters is not a bad strategy, as long as it's working at both ends, but to do that they need to rotate the strike alot more, otherwise they're just putting pressure on themselves. The English batsmen have showed them how to pace a innings in both matches so far, so i hope the Windies can learn from the basic errors and put in a better performance collectively at Headingley, although plenty more rain is expected.

Posted by 2.14istherunrate on (June 20, 2012, 13:32 GMT)

@ randyoz-Warne vs Swann Tests- Warne-T-145,Inns-275,Wkts-708 @ 25.41,econ-2.65,S/R 57.4,5w/I 37,10w/m 10. Swann-T-44,Inns-80, Wkts-188 @ 28.57,Econ-2.97, S/R57.7, 5-w/I 13,10w/M 2. ODI stats I will leave you to find in Statsguru. Warne was voted in the top 5 players ever. I think it fairly reasonable to compare Swann to Warne. Given the nature of English wickets i think it is a fairly even situation. Sorry to burst your bubble and leave you to bluster about it,but seriously you need to look at the FACTS.Personally I would never have sought comparison if you had not been so quick to and disparage Swann.

Posted by JG2704 on (June 20, 2012, 13:17 GMT)

@JB633 - You're comms on all 3 posts are spot on - even if I think those who they are for will either blank them or not be able to deal with them. Please keep posting

Posted by JG2704 on (June 20, 2012, 13:17 GMT)

@karthik_raja on (June 20 2012, 09:46 AM GMT) - How exactly are JB633s comments inconsistent /embarrassing? He has never once tried to say that Eng weren't beaten fair and square in any of the matches Eng lost in UAE or SL. Very mature post

Posted by whatawicket on (June 20, 2012, 13:07 GMT)

i used to if possible not read randy/ joneys comments but these days im sorry u other posters but theirs is my 1st to read, they are a blast, so funny.

Posted by Hammond on (June 20, 2012, 12:52 GMT)

@RandyOZ- shame that you can't blame yet another English victory on the fact that some South African born English citizen performed. Must be ticking you off hey?

Posted by Stark62 on (June 20, 2012, 12:50 GMT)

Windies would have won, had Gayle not been given out wrongly.

There is only one word to describe that decision.........DISGUSTING!!!!!

Posted by Hammond on (June 20, 2012, 12:22 GMT)

I think the 2 new balls and the more bowler friendly pitches will do for any odi opponent that England will face this summer. No-one currently has the batsman, the bowlers or the class of this England line up. As per usual, England are a very underrated side in odi. They are the 20/20 number one remember, expect them to close the gap at a cricket ground near you shortly.

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (June 20, 2012, 12:05 GMT)

@karthik_raja, actually yes, in thier home conditions BD are a reasonable team, they've put visitors under pressure, I seem to remember them bowling India out for 250 the other year, and had england on the back foot in a game in 2010, so yes BD=NZ in terms of Home form. I agree that England have problem in the sub-continent, but a lot of indian fans seem to think that thier team is unbeatable away from home, when its the opposite.

Posted by CricketingStargazer on (June 20, 2012, 11:50 GMT)

@karthik_raja, Indian fans have been questioning the ICC rankings for as long as I can remember, although the system is transparent and actually pretty simple (you have a "par" result for each series depending on the relative rankings of the two teams - do better and you gain points, do worse and you lose them). Not a lot complicated there! The obvious problem is that rankings work over a 3 year cycle, but the FTP is 5 years, but in football the fixture list can also have a side high up the table thanks to an accmmulation of "easy" fixtures; these things always even out in the end though. Any side that stays #1 for 3 years can genuinely say that it is has been so through a full FTP cycle. No one since Australia has been able to say that... yet. We'll see how far England go.

Posted by CricketingStargazer on (June 20, 2012, 11:40 GMT)

Randy, nice to see you back. I was wondering where you had been since March. However, you do need to work on your sledging... that was a miserable effort, not least because Graeme Swann is an off-spinner, so we would all be amazed to see him hailed (presumably by Australians) as the new Shane Warne! Go back, have another try and do try to make it relevant :-). Anyway, I would much rather see us win than lose and will be keen to see some of the fringe players show us what the squad depth is in the final match.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (June 20, 2012, 11:37 GMT)

@Min2_cric on (June 20 2012, 10:14 AM GMT), I have to admit, I was one who expected WI to challenge England and maybe even win the series. We England fans can be a pessimistic lot and England haven't been the most consistent performers in ODIs for a while. I think that they are feeling the loss of Roach quite keenly but it has been their batting that has been the biggest disappointment. If not for a silly run out WI would have beaten Australia 3-2 in WI recently and that was with some of their IPL stars missing so everyone was expecting big things. It just goes to show that 20 overs in India against largely domestic attacks is not the same as 50 overs in England against one of the best international bowling attacks in the world.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (June 20, 2012, 11:30 GMT)

@SuperSharky on (June 20 2012, 09:58 AM GMT), Sammy said that he would have batted first anyway so I don't think that the toss actually mattered. England hoped that there might be some early life in the pitch but there really wasn't.

Posted by dariuscorny on (June 20, 2012, 11:16 GMT)

@5wombats words can be twisted to amuse evryone.nice attempt though.but Engs away performances are equally horrifying, so, no one can pelt stones to each other

Posted by Min2_cric on (June 20, 2012, 11:14 GMT)

i said in d beginning of d series dat englands gotcha win...i dunno y everyone ws cheering windies...

Posted by karthik_raja on (June 20, 2012, 11:08 GMT)

@YorkshirePudding. Nice stats. So, u r considering BD in the same league as SA,Eng,Aus,NZ. Leaving BD out. as per ur stats, Eng won just 5 of 25 matches @ almost the same win percentage by Ind in overseas(despite the huge difference in their bowling resources - I believe, only Bowlers win Test matches). I repeat wt I say repeatedly. Eng r definitely a gud side. Bt, not as good as it is made to look like whn it played Ind @ home. That is more of Ind's weakness than Eng's brilliance(with no disrespect to Eng's performance) Eng,Aus,SA,Ind,SL,Pak - neither of these teams is consistent now. Its really hurting to write Ind off after 2 disastrous tours. Ind definitely hv talent and will come emerging again. Learn to respect other teams.

Posted by dariuscorny on (June 20, 2012, 11:07 GMT)

same old lame story surfaces again saying"England are the greatest team to have played cricket" by Eng fans and they bring India on to it.......

Posted by anver777 on (June 20, 2012, 11:04 GMT)

Fantastic run by Eng openers in the last 6 ODI matches with 6 centuries !!!!!

Posted by SuperSharky on (June 20, 2012, 10:58 GMT)

Wow, it was great to see The Gayle in Force. A Good knock from Chris. It's a pity West Indies didn't win the toss. I also feel that West Indies bowling plan was as expected from the English Batsmen. An ODI maybe a mini-test, but you still need to vary your bowling more often during an over. The English Bowlers bowled beautiful and showed that they will be a dangerous attack in any condition and also impossible to beat in their home-conditions, if they play like that.

Posted by karthik_raja on (June 20, 2012, 10:46 GMT)

@jb633. Agree with u. Bt, seems u r completely new to this forum. I hardly comment. Bt, certainly follow the news and comments in this page. While u talk abt green track bullies, u shud know that it came from "flat track bullies" which ur fellow men used to refer Ind batsmen. And reg "Come to Eng" slogan, well, they raised it wel b4 Eng tour, whn Ind was ranked #1. There were numerous talk abt Ind won all their matches in home turf and gained (supposedly undeserved) numero uno status. Many cricket pundits even questioned ICC rankings. So, Eng fans r getting back wt they sent across. And I dont agree with ur inconsistent/embarrassing remarks. Eng lost fair and square in four consecutive Tests in Asia. I don't understand why the whole world forgets abt, recent ODIs and Tests against WI and ENG which took place between those disastrous tours. Consider thm and u wil find urself saying. "Ya. Ind is as inconsistent as Eng"

Posted by bobmartin on (June 20, 2012, 10:41 GMT)

If I can add a couple more comments about umpiring; How many of those who complain about decisions perceived by themselves to be incorrect are qualified umpires with years of experience at the highest level. Very few, or more likely none, I would suggest. Also how many of these complaints originate from a position of bias, as for example Windies supporters complaining about the Gayle decision. Most I would suspect. The ICC elite umpires panel may well not be infallible, who is, but I think it safe to say that they are highly qualified, very experienced and unbiased. What more can you ask of an umpire. And as a final comment, the umpires make far fewer mistakes than the players...becasue after all, a cricket match is decided ultimately by the team that makes the fewest mistakes.

Posted by rgrokkam1 on (June 20, 2012, 10:30 GMT)

Pathetic performance by WI. One may argue that Gayle's wicket was the turning point. Good innings from Dwayne Bravo. Smith need to improve his off side play. The only bowler who always troubled the Eng batsmen this series and look like taking wickets is Rampaul. Huge expectation from Narine but he was disappointing. May be the flat tracks did not help him. Tino Best does not the have the temperament and can be very erratic, don't think he is suitable for ODIs. Sammy did well in this match though. Little more was expected from his batting.

Posted by A_Vacant_Slip on (June 20, 2012, 10:27 GMT)

@g.narsimha on (June 20 2012, 02:27 AM GMT) - evidently you are COMEDY BOY india fan. Why you talk 1983 all the time!? This 29 YEAR AGO!!! History lesson, no thank you, not again... Oh, and @rahulcricket007 - what are you talking about "2 bad india tour". WHAT!? What is definition of "bad"??? England have what india fan call a bad tour of Sri Lanka - where they DRAW the test series. If this England away performamce in Asia is "bad" - then ALL India away performances are equally "bad" because in last 15 year India NEVER win anything anywhere outside of India - they draw or lose like they always do in SA or Aus, and yet india fan call this "good". How can it be good? Winning the odd game in a losing series or drawing a series is NOT good or succesful. You people need to try to get over the drubbing you got from Australia and England in last 12 month. Anyway - why you talk of England in India? This forum about the ODI in England v WI.

Posted by jb633 on (June 20, 2012, 10:22 GMT)

@NAFZAK. Bang on mate, could not agree with you more. I think particulalry for the bowlers T20 is no judge of charcter. Being a spinner myself I loved watching Bishoo bowl and it would be so indicitive of the WICB to waste such a talent. If Bishoo played for Eng/ Aus his talents would be managed correctly and he would be given the correct amount of exposure in different conditions. In my opinion they releid on him as their primary wicket taker, which was too much pressure for a young man making his way in the game. The pressure appeared to get to him a little and his form dropped. However, he remains a class act with bags of talent. Do not waste him. Narine is decent if the pitches turn, but because he lacks the abilityu to beat the batsman through the air, he will struggle in ENG, AUS, SA and NZ where the pitched do not offer help.

Posted by RandyOZ on (June 20, 2012, 10:21 GMT)

So Swann gets an extremely fortunate wicket against Gayle, and all of a sudden the poms are sprouting him as the next Warne again. This is the same guy who has been spanked to all parts over the past year and is only still in the team because of the lack of talent in England (coupled with the fact that Gilly ended Monty's career back in 07). Give me a break, you guys are as bad as your media.

Posted by jb633 on (June 20, 2012, 10:13 GMT)

@rahulcricket007, this is getting so repetitive. You have clearly decided to wage war on the English fans and their cricket team. If I was in the precarious position you find yourself in as an Indian fan I would take a look at your own side before coming and bashing England. I can remember your constant moaning about India's performances during the Eng and Aus away series and the accusations that they wern't trying etc. I think your criticisms of your own side were completley justified, they were abysmal and pathetic. Their own fans deserved more. It baffles me why you think that the only way to vent your frustrations about the demise of your own side is to go on and on about England. English fans do not have the same anger towards their own side rahul007 and we are happy with the efforts our team are putting ion. Perhaps your time would be better spent, complaining about the IPL ( the real reason India are weak at present) rather than go on about how bad England are.

Posted by jb633 on (June 20, 2012, 9:48 GMT)

@Cpt.Meanster, I am a huge English cricket fan but will concede that England do have big problem playing in Asia. It does make me chuckle however that Indian fans in particular, constantly bleat on and on about any win outside India being worthless and Eng are green track bullies la la. However if you look at this English side's efforts you will see that the results are inconsistent, not embarassing (like Inida). They were whitewashed against India in the one day games in Oct. They were then soundly beaten in the test series in the UAE thanks primarily to the mystery of Ajmal. In the ODI and T20 series the wins were relativley straitforward for England. Then in SL they were beaten fair and square in the first test, and smoked SL in the second. If I was going to be boring I could churn up India's winter results, but these are so widely known it is pointless. My point is teams do struggle in foreign conditions, but at least English fans did not say wait till you tour England then see!

Posted by A_Yorkshire_Lad on (June 20, 2012, 9:31 GMT)

@g.narshima - yes indeed , we will be playing AUS in ' our own back yard ' - at home , i presume you mean - and , yes , ' we will see '. Talking of AUS , perhaps you can answer a question - when was the last time India won a test series in AUS ? And that's not just in the last 10 / 20 / 30 years , you can look back as far as you like.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (June 20, 2012, 9:28 GMT)

@cric_fan, if there was going to be a law enshrined to the effect that the batsman should be given the benefit of the doubt, it would have to be a LOT less airy-fairy than that. For a start, what exactly is "the doubt"? We all know intuitively but intuition counts for nothing when writing laws. If the umpire is 50% sure that the batsman is out then it is fair enough that the batsman gets the benefit of the 50% doubt. What if the umpire is 51% sure though? 60%? 80%? Surely if an umpire is 99% sure that a batsman is out then he should not give that batsman the benefit of the 1% doubt. Let's say that we draw the line at 75%. How does an umpire know for sure that they are not 76% sure or 74% sure? How often would all umpires all have exactly the same level of surety over a decision? You talk about consistency but that is a relative term. You don't actually know that umpires aren't already being consistent, although it may not fit your definition.

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (June 20, 2012, 8:41 GMT)

@Rahulcricket007 & g.narsimha, just having a look at englands record away in the sub continent since 2000, in tests they have played 29, won 9, lost 9 and drawn 11, in ODI's they have played 49, won 16 lost 32 and tied 1,india by comparrison in aus, SA, England & NZ, have played 37, won 7, lost 19, and drawn 11, in odi's they havent faired much better, played 64, won 19, lost 40 and tied 1 with 4 NR. Englands away w/l ratio in the sub continent in odi's is 0.5, indias in seaming is 0.47, both teams pretty equal in being poor outside of thier home conditions.

Posted by JG2704 on (June 20, 2012, 8:38 GMT)

Also Quite funny how WI always select the wrong team. I see Jerome Taylor is now being mentioned and unless ESPN's stats are incorrect the guy hasn't played any 1st class cricket for over a year

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (June 20, 2012, 8:31 GMT)

@cric_fan_, but you can have two individual umpires being consistent as each one has a slightly different interpretation of the what is being viewed, its like if you show two people the same picture for 10 seconds then ask them to describe the person in the picture people will describe different things. the same goes to umpiring decisions, another umpire may hve considered it was the bat first or too close to call.

Posted by The_bowlers_Holding on (June 20, 2012, 8:20 GMT)

Another article about England and we get stats about India's magnificence and how well they did in 2002 (10 years since), this post has nothing to do with India and when will you realise only Indian fans are interested in India. Meanster, Rahulcricket etc you seem to have forgotten to mention Tendulkar in your posts shocking lack of consistency

Posted by   on (June 20, 2012, 8:12 GMT)

Gayle was left to start the run-setting by himself. His opening partner, Lendl Simmons, couldn't manage more than 12....before being dismissed in the 20th over. That is atrocious for an opening batsman in a ODI. I mean, what international batsman takes 20 overs to make 12?!

Posted by brittop on (June 20, 2012, 8:06 GMT)

@cricfan: I don't know how you can say "no-one is in the umpire's mind" and then say that you know by "observation" that they are giving the "benefit of the doubt" one way or the other. Umpire should give each decision as he sees it, thus rendering "benefit of the doubt" an irrelevance.

Posted by exiledtyke on (June 20, 2012, 7:08 GMT)

Cook's innings was yet more proof that a player with solid technique can adapt and play more improvised shots whereas the biff-bang 20/20 specialists find it difficult to do the reverse.

Posted by   on (June 20, 2012, 6:45 GMT)

that shots i was expecting from gayle.gayle was out by swann and i knew only swann get out him.the five sixes hitted by this super sixer hero was terrafic.

Posted by   on (June 20, 2012, 6:16 GMT)

I always believe that Chanderpaul should be in the ODI as well. Narsing made some inroads with his bowling against Australia, he was not playing. I wonder where West Indies cricket is going with the way they make selections.

Posted by cric_fan_ on (June 20, 2012, 6:12 GMT)

@jmcilhinney on (June 19 2012, 16:27 PM GMT)if talking about the lbw decisions require one to be sure about the umpires mind then how did the concept of "giving benefit of doubt to batsman" come to life? Certainly no one is inside umpires' mind to tell whether any particular not out decision was a result of umpire giving benefit of the doubt to the batsman or was convinced that the batsman was not out. Which means you can't be sure whether there has been any single case in cricket's history where the benefit of the doubt was given to the batsman, then how can anyone talk about batsmen getting benefit of the doubt. Well the answer to this and to my post is "observation". I don't have any issue with umpire giving or not giving benefit of the doubt to the batsman but I'd like umpires to be consistent, it shouldn't be that one umpire giving benefit of the doubt to batsman for marginal decisions while other umpire not, that hinders the errors in decision making from evening out across teams

Posted by enigma12345 on (June 20, 2012, 5:46 GMT)

England have perfect 6 Batsmen and 5 bowlers But Windies have 2 bowlers(Rampaul and naraine) 2 batsmen (Gayle and Samuels) and 1 wicket keeper who cant bat and 6 players who dint know their role in team they are inconsistent all rounders.and poor team selection also costs the matches gayle is scoring sixes in one end and Simmons is wasting ball in another end. C.Gayle,Dwayne Smith,Marlon Samuels,Dwayne Bravo,K.Pollard,J.Charles(W.K) Andre Russel,Darren Sammy,Ravi Rampaul,Fidel Edwards,Sunil Naraine..

2 Power full Openers (left + Right) + 2 Solid Batsmen + 1 Wk Who can bat + 2 all rounders + one Spinner + 2 Pacers (Left and Right)

Posted by rahulcricket007 on (June 20, 2012, 5:39 GMT)

@g narsimha , absolutely agree with you , india have only 2 bad tours of overseas , @5 WOMBATS , YOU SHOULD LOOK INDIA 'S PERFORMANCES IN THE LAST DECADE OF 2000-2011 WHERE WE PEFRORM GOOD IN EVERY DEPARTMENT OVERSEAS , WE EVEN WON ODI SERIES IN ENG IN 2002 , WON TEST SERIES IN ENGLAND IN 2007 , WHAT ENGLAND HAS DONE IN INDIA N LAST 10 YEARS ?

Posted by jmcilhinney on (June 20, 2012, 4:22 GMT)

Let's not forget that Morgan put down a catch, albeit a tough one, and Kieswetter missed a simple stumping. Even if you feel hard done by on Gayle's dismissal, WI got a couple of let-offs there. Gayle scored more than 50 at over a run a ball so he had done his share regardless. Too many other WI batsmen didn't do their share and then the bowling lacked the penetration to cause problems without sufficient scoreboard pressure. Well done to Sammy for deceiving both openers with slower balls but it was too little too late.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (June 20, 2012, 4:06 GMT)

@cyborg on (June 19 2012, 20:25 PM GMT), Cook got a duck in the previous game and England seemed to do alright. Some people were saying "what will England do without KP" but they haven't struggled so far. Of course, there will be sterner tests than this, but their next three ODI series should give a pretty good indicator of where they are. I don't necessarily expect to see them win everything but a bit more consistency than they've shown recently would be nice, e.g. even if they lose in India, don't get whitewashed and be consistently competitive.

Posted by WindiesGT on (June 20, 2012, 4:05 GMT)

Unfortunate Gayle I thought that the benefit of the doubt should go to the batsman. When will be get it right don't think it's a shortage of talent but have to agree with Holding bad man management and waste of talent in the form of Sarwan well Gayle is back etc. Again I am surprise at Gibson as a bowling coach isn't a leg spinner would or have been successful in England as suppose to offspinner? Why was Bishoo dropped after a failure or two?

Posted by g.narsimha on (June 20, 2012, 3:27 GMT)

5WOMBATS- It is u who always racks up our olny recent loses , if u go through the stats how INDIA PERFORMEDIN U R COUNTRYit really shocking very contrasting performance some time ordinery such as shot out for partly 42 in an innins but scoring heavily some times we had memorable performance WINNING 1983 WC, posting 350+scores chagindg 320+ against u to win odi series winning series but what about ur team in INDIA, till date just one ICC cup , i posed a simple quastion several time but u never able to respond, tell me baring those 2 desoustious tour where we fared badly , & what is u r performance in our place if we lost 8-0 u too lost 4-1 recently & an other humiliation is in waiting when u step out from u r comfort zone in nov, BEFORE THAT AUS SA in u r own back yard lets see , what is in store .

Posted by Meety on (June 20, 2012, 0:44 GMT)

The ODI performances by the WIndies have been dissappointing, but credit to England, you can only play what is in front of you. Interesting that we now have had 100s in two games in a row for England. Tons have been hard to come by for England over the last 5 to 10 yrs in ODIs (KP aside). It's probably been the worst thing about England ODI cricket over the recent years. Good trend for them.

Posted by yorkshirematt on (June 19, 2012, 23:43 GMT)

Good day all round for England. Lets hope for more of the same on Sunday (after wrapping up the whitewash at the home of cricket on Friday!)

Posted by 5wombats on (June 19, 2012, 23:24 GMT)

@cpt.meanster. Oh dear some people never learn do they. There you go again reminding us about Indias record outside of Asia. This forum is about Eng v WI, not about India in any way shape or form. Good job we are not talking about Indias away performances - because they are shocking.

Posted by   on (June 19, 2012, 23:22 GMT)

Fans, England did not beat the best West Indies team, They beat the team selected. I said it before, Gayle alone cannot win matches. West Indies selectors need to swallow their pride and bring back Taylor, Sarwan and re play Chanderpaul in the 50 over matches. I agree with Nafzak. Narine should be in the WI A team and Bishoo should have been in the current team. What will WI do next, bring back Powell? It will be more of a joke if this happens. Powell has to stay there and build his confidence and length of stay in the wicket. How many more attempts do WI need. How many more matches to lose before WI finally get it right.

West need a captain who has experience, one who will not leave for Twenty 20's, and one who played all across the world. Only Sarwan fits that position but would W I will not do this. NO, TOO MUCH PRIDE. I wonder if fans goes to a Poll what would be the count to bring back guys like Taylor, Sarwan and Chanderpaul along with the idea of two captains for tests and ODI

Posted by Sankofa on (June 19, 2012, 22:54 GMT)

Sometimes I wonder if people on here don't read or keep in touch with the news. They keep insisting why Chanderpaul was not selected:PEOPLE HE IS INJURED!!!!!!!!!! and so is ROACH.Both of them have returned to the caribbean. Now on the issue of Simmonds....didn't I read some persons were saying that he should replace Ramdin? Now those very same people are asking why did he play. He did have a terrible day today but I would take my chances with him. WI panic too soon, over nothing really, thats why the bats men play rash shots...plus they need to take more singles.

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (June 19, 2012, 22:47 GMT)

Chris Gayles LBW was unlucky with a very tight but it does appear to strike the pad just before the bat comes through. As for the delay, the umpire would have been replaying the moment in his mind while trying to decide if it was bat or pad first.

Posted by JG2704 on (June 19, 2012, 22:44 GMT)

Re Otis Gibson - I notice many comments blaming Gibson for all WI woes. Just a few points - 1 - Gibson only left his bowling coach role in England where he was both a success and very popular with the players a year or 2 ago 2 - WI don't have the players they had in their heyday so OG has less tools to work with. 3 - Were WI in a much better place when Gibson took over ? From what I have seen WI performed better without their superstars than with them

Posted by JG2704 on (June 19, 2012, 22:44 GMT)

@Dravid_Gravitas- You're not letting me forget my comms are you? Seriously , I stand by what I said. Bell - up until this series - would often use up alot of deliveries to deliver mediocre scores in ODIs - even if he was purring in the test arena. I'm certainly not going to try and take anything away from Bell by saying that it was only against a mediocre WI bowling attack etc but at the same time I don't want to get carried away with his form. I'm still not convinced with the top 4 of Bell,Cook,Trott and Bopara. If WI had made a post 270 score as it looked like they would before Pollard went then it would have been more of a test for our top 4. But as I said before if Bell can continue to deliver and does it in a pressure sit in an ODI , then I'm happy to have my doubts quashed

Posted by brittop on (June 19, 2012, 22:41 GMT)

@Jomo Gulston: So you could clearly see the umpire was wrong from the replays?

Posted by   on (June 19, 2012, 22:23 GMT)

Ithought this was a strong West Indies team the problem is too much Trinis in the lineup bring back the team that played the Aussie

Posted by TheLight on (June 19, 2012, 21:55 GMT)

Simmons has been WI.best batsman in ODI for the past couple of years. People have a very short memory or know nothing about WI cricket to ask why he on the team

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas_Atheist on (June 19, 2012, 21:31 GMT)

I agree completely with some comments suggesting Shiv should be in the ODIs. In fact, he should be the first player in the playing XI by default. You can't afford to have a batsman of his class side-lined in favour of bits and pieces all-rounders. Shame on Windies selectors. Why can't Sammy put his best foot forward and say, I want Shiv in the ODI team. Period! These losses are not good for Windies cricket.

Posted by cyborg on (June 19, 2012, 21:25 GMT)

this is more of a show off win for England ,i am sure Australia is watching this somewhere and looking at who to attack , credit , with no Chanderpaul i think Dwayne bravo deserves praise today , WHERE WOULD ENGLAND BE WITHOUT ALASTAIR COOK ?, AS FAR AS CHRIS GAYLE DISMISSAL ,BALL SQUEZZED BETWEEN BAT AND PAD , SWANN SHOUTING HIS LUNGS OUT , OUT

Posted by   on (June 19, 2012, 21:21 GMT)

WI has broken my heart more times than any woman

Posted by CricketingStargazer on (June 19, 2012, 21:07 GMT)

One thing that the conspiracy theorists are missing is that when your only tactic is "whack or block", sooner or later you are going to miss one and a clever bowler is going to nail you. Chris Gayle lived and died by the sword... even if he had been let off (hot spot seems to suggest that bat hit pad too, which could easily have fooled him), it was a good bet that he'd have tried one big hit too many against the new bowler anyway. The West Indians blocked or whacked. No subtlety. No trying to move the ball around. The reason why they lost was the slow start (even at the height of Chris Gayle's innings they were well below 5 an over), the collapse after Gayle's dismissal and the dismal finish, combined with totally toothless and undisciplined bowling attack.

Posted by 2.14istherunrate on (June 19, 2012, 20:58 GMT)

A slick and efficient perfomance by England. Gayle seems to be from another dimension- he hits the ball with such ridiculous ease. bravo and Pollard played well only to for the latter to fall for the sucker punch. Otherwise Wi were poor, and no real danger in their bowling though a lot of people have found Cook and Bell make attacks look ineffective.They look en route for the top slot inODI's too.

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas_Atheist on (June 19, 2012, 20:51 GMT)

Well done England! Kudos. Ian Bell now has two 50+ scores in as many matches. JG, looks like Bell is responding to your posts with his elegance personified, sheer timing filled proper cricket shots at a very healthy strike-rate and average. You can't ask for more from someone at the top of the batting order. Congrats to Bell, Cook and England and all the English fans.

Posted by   on (June 19, 2012, 20:47 GMT)

A win for Maynard. Well done England.

Posted by   on (June 19, 2012, 20:45 GMT)

SOOOOO.... now all the players that were wanted are back, the whole reason for the loss is because Chanderpaul was not playing? When are we gonna realize our team is just performing mediocre, and it's not because of a single individual why we are loosing (whether in the team or not). Get your heads out the dirt, WI need to change their mentality. It's not about a group of stars, but a star group. Let's see what happens against NZ. Saying that "we competed" against a team that is below you (quite a good team though, they are up and coming) won't be accepted. I think the world will be watching with intriguingly to see, is it WI or NZ who are becoming better because I know NZ can say they have competed recently, they have even won a test against a good team.

Posted by nafzak on (June 19, 2012, 20:41 GMT)

I said it before and I'll say it again; T/20 is not the best judge of talent for Test or ODI cricket. WI selectors are looking for answers in all the wrong places. Pollard, Narine and Sammy are all T/20 specialists. The solution is right in front of their eyes, but they are too stubborn to acknowledge their wrongs. Sarwan and Shiv should be in the ODI & Test team no doubt, but alas, it would not happen. Sammy declared earlier this year (in WI regional tournament) that Narine is the best spinner in the WI. He was wrong then and is wrong now. Bishoo was ICC emerging player of the year in 2011 and after 1 bad outing they canned him. Probably shot his confidence. Sorry, nothing good to look forward to for WI in near future. At least not with Gibson, Hilaire, Hunte, Butts and Sammy as the helm. Sad indeed.

Posted by Asraf12 on (June 19, 2012, 20:35 GMT)

Good Win for England. WI needs to drastic changes. The past two ODI clearly shows that there is a URGENT need for someone to bat through the innings. WHERE IS SHV CHANDERPAUL? Learn from ENGLAND...... WI. Look how their TEST Players are doing great in the ODI, what happen to ours.

Posted by   on (June 19, 2012, 20:21 GMT)

What good is a third referral if it cannot provide instant adjudication as to whether the umpire got it wrong perhaps by human error. Isn't the technology supposed to enhance the accuracy and by default create more equity in the game. That's right ICC keep moving the goal post we may all end up playing IPL and leave England to play with herself.

Posted by AKS286 on (June 19, 2012, 20:19 GMT)

EXCUSES EXCUSES but the fact is WI must play in ICC intercontinental matches. IF qualify then come to international cricket.

Posted by tappee74 on (June 19, 2012, 20:05 GMT)

WI has just shown the world that they are about the worst team playing international cricket.I have looked at WI for the longest while and can tell that the selectors have no idea of the talents they have.Shivnarine Chanderpaul,an ever dependent batsman is dropped from the one day squad.I am baffled .This man avg over 40 in ODI,has 11 ODI hundreds,and about 49 fifties,yet he was not selected.This is beyond my intelligence.

Posted by Dessy-Janga on (June 19, 2012, 20:04 GMT)

Narine should go play in India and allow Shillingford to play in the Caribbean. I have still n ot seen the mystery in his bowing. How he ias not getting any wicket is a mystery. 20 overs since returning and wicketless?

Posted by i_witnessed_2011 on (June 19, 2012, 19:55 GMT)

So much was expected from WI in this ODI series. Butthey are completely outplayed. They have immense talent but I feel they do not have intelligent strategy and good team combination to win international matches. WI need to take some tough decissions and make some trial combinations to see which one works out best. 1.With all respect to Sammy and his honest efforts, ODI captaincy must be given to somebody else... May be Bravo.. 2. Ther are too many fast bowling allrounders at the bottom. Bring one bastmen up the order. Say Smith or Russel at the opening at the cost of simmons. In that way they can play all their all rounders. 3. Give Sammy break for some ODIs and play extra fast bowler\spinner in place of Sammy. MyXI: Gayle,Smith,Bravo Jr\Simmons, Samuels,Pollard,Bravo Sr,Russel,Ramdin,Rampaul,Best\roach,Narine If WI still want to persist with current XI, atleast need to get the batt order right.russel and Rampaul are better than samy in batting and should come up the order

Posted by brittop on (June 19, 2012, 19:45 GMT)

Umpire gives the decision he thinks is correct, so "Benefit of the doubt to the batsman" is an irrelevance. DRS is there to spot obvious errors.

Posted by whatawicket on (June 19, 2012, 19:43 GMT)

gayle was given out, rightly confirmed by 3rd umpire. stop all the song and dance. the conspiracy theory will not work.

Posted by The_bowlers_Holding on (June 19, 2012, 19:40 GMT)

So much for the West Indies world class players being too powerful for this England team with their depth of bowling options and batting all the way to N0.9 yadda yadda yadda.

Posted by Cpt.Meanster on (June 19, 2012, 19:38 GMT)

In their home conditions England are decent in any format.The problem starts when they tour Asia. England are still weak in the subcontinent so these performances are best forgotten soon. WI on the other hand lack self belief. It's a team full of individuals who play for themselves. That mentality has to stop. It was a good innings by Cook nevertheless. Home conditions or not.. his effort should be applauded. Alastair Cook and Ian Bell are England's two best batsmen in ODI cricket.

Posted by guitarboy on (June 19, 2012, 19:35 GMT)

Well well Gayle's dismissal was the turning point for this game,the little time he spent was great entertainment just shows what the cricket loving public was missing.His dismissal was inconclusive and I think he should have been given the benefit of the doubt by the empire,the very fact that he took so long to make the decision was evidence enought that he himself was not sure whether the ball struct bat or pad first.

Posted by   on (June 19, 2012, 19:32 GMT)

WI will have to concede that they r correctly placed in the ICC ODI ranking & that ENG r hard to beat at home. And until they can find 2 or 3 players who can score consistently they will not move from that position. Gayle alone cannot do it. Please no more excuses. I love WI but I must be real.

Posted by spence1324 on (June 19, 2012, 19:10 GMT)

Thats now 6 opening hundreds in 6 innings on the bounce for england a record, and apparently we can not play odi.....

Posted by dirkcl on (June 19, 2012, 18:51 GMT)

@cric_fan Talk man talk. What is laughable is that Sammy gives Rampaul 7 overs to bowl. You look at this team and the only person without any proven class is Sammy. Gibson is at best a third rate coach (I am sure there are many more in the West Indies with lots better pedigree). He has taken a team that was favorites to two straight lickings. Phil Simmons is coaching Ireland to the next World Cup and to a higher T20 ranking. David Williams will be coaching T&T to the next Champions League. Wasn't there a time a coach ran a national team first? Wasn't there a time a captain didnt have to fight for his place on the team in public opinion?

Posted by bobmartin on (June 19, 2012, 18:41 GMT)

Let's get one thing clear right now..There is no such thing in the laws or the playing conditions or an umpires principles that gives a batsman the benefit of doubt... This is simply a phrase which has crept in over time. An umpire's creed is that he does not give a batsman out unless he is absolutely sure that he is out..The facts are simply this;, following an appeal, the umpire considers the sequence of events as he sees them and decides Out or Not Out as the case may be. There is no doubt in either an Out or Not Out decision. With the revised DRS regulations, as someone has already pointed out, the third umpire, when he is called upon so to do, has to decide if there is conclusive evidence that the on field umpire has made a mistake. If he has, the decision will be overturned... if not, the original decsion stands.

Posted by EnglishCricket on (June 19, 2012, 18:31 GMT)

Just as I have expected, another thoroughly convincing win from England and my prediction of 3-0 to England looks almost certainly to be correct. West Indies have the talent you can see it but just cannot perform and win games consistently and there's debate whether teams like Zimbabwe and Bangladesh deserve to play at the highest level maybe we can confidently include the West Indies and possibly New Zealand because they are just as worse and results since 2010 across all formats prove my point. After this series is over for the West Indies, they'll be going straight back to the Caribbean for a short break because the New Zealand series is right around the corner and for once the West Indies actually has a chance to win considering both these teams are near or about the same level. Its great to see Gayle back and see his fabulous knock but a shame he couldn't play a longer innings which was one of the reasons why the West Indies lost.

Posted by MattyP1979 on (June 19, 2012, 18:25 GMT)

So Gayle/Narine and everyone else WI supporters wanted are in, and we win very comftably. Excuses are running thin people. Eng are an OK one day side and need to improve if we are to be top of all 3 rankings but it is possible.

Posted by ben.pullan13 on (June 19, 2012, 18:24 GMT)

Ha! No-one can beat us at home... Not even in ODI's, where some Windies supporters had even claimed that they somehow have a stronger team than us. Yes, Gayle is a good batsman, but not in the same class as a Cook or a Bell. There are a lot of mediocre all-rounders in the Windies team, none of whom would have a prayer of making the England team. Sunil Narine - mystery??? - more like misery - what a mediocre bowler - should stick to that awful t20 league that's played in India...

Posted by MattyP1979 on (June 19, 2012, 18:19 GMT)

Well the poor ODI side that is Eng gave another very good ODI side another massive drubbing. When can we say Eng are just a very good side with modern greats in the making. I suppose if your not English then never. Another shed load of pointless ODI before we slience Eng critics forever when we beat SA.

Posted by   on (June 19, 2012, 18:18 GMT)

take off simmons and play chanderpaul and they need another spinner bad WICB decision.

Posted by Front-Foot-Lunge on (June 19, 2012, 18:00 GMT)

Great Century by Cook, and great Captaincy to bring on Swann, who again showed his class. With Gayle's bat clearly behind the pad, Swann deceived him beautifully. I wonder where England's critics are now?.......:)

Posted by jmcilhinney on (June 19, 2012, 17:58 GMT)

@Bramblefly on (June 19 2012, 16:14 PM GMT), quite so. The Gayle dismissal will be the talking point because some WI fans will say that it cost them the game but Gayle scored 53 off 51 anyway and it was the inability of the rest of the team to pull their weight that cost them the game.

Posted by   on (June 19, 2012, 17:53 GMT)

in midst of all this debate everyone forgot the 50 ball 12 run inning from L Simmons... how come u get over this type of a tortoise like inning when u r playing in an ODI..and i dnt thnk WIndies done badly baring that inning...

Posted by jmcilhinney on (June 19, 2012, 17:30 GMT)

@cornplus on (June 19 2012, 15:01 PM GMT), that's a ridiculous statement. The replays didn't show anything clearly, which is the whole point. There was no obvious error to be corrected. The only thing that's clear is that more WI fans will say that it wasn't out and more England fans will say that it was, but any reasonable person will say that, whether they lean one way or the other, they don't know for sure.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (June 19, 2012, 17:27 GMT)

@cric_fan_ on (June 19 2012, 15:12 PM GMT), how do you know they aren't being consistent? There is often going to be some doubt in an LBW decision but the umpire obviously felt that there wasn't enough doubt to give the benefit of. Maybe the umpires all think to themselves that if they are 95% sure then that's enough and maybe that's how sure the umpire was on that occasion. You're talking like you know what is/was in the umpire's mind, which you don't. I don't either, but I don't make absolute declarations that would require such knowledge.

Posted by Bramblefly on (June 19, 2012, 17:14 GMT)

For what it's worth, Gayle's dismissal looked like pad first to me although I'm the first to admit that the ball may have been jamming between bat and pad. However, this wouldn't be the big talking point of the day if the WIndies had more world class one day players in their top seven. If Gayle's arrival in England was the WIIndies equivalent of the second coming, then they are in trouble. WIndies right now remind me of nineties England; half international class, half passengers. If it's any consolation, as England shows, it can get better.

Posted by Trickstar on (June 19, 2012, 17:02 GMT)

LOL at the toy throwing by the WI fans, the fact is on the slow-mo & hotspot it was clear imo that the bat was just behind the pad, it's almost impossible for the ball to hit the bat first when it comes from behind the pad. The on field umpire gave it out and there was no video evidence that the umpire was wrong. That's the problem with some people they don't know how DRS works, you only overturn the on field umpire when the video evidence is conclusive, just like if the umpire had given it not out that would probably have stayed as well.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (June 19, 2012, 16:49 GMT)

@SIRSOBERS on (June 19 2012, 13:52 PM GMT), I'm guessing that the on-field umpire would probably have ruled not out had he seen only those replays but they have to go by their impression of the one and only view they get at full speed. There's often going to be some doubt associated with LBW decisions so each umpire has to decide how much doubt there has to be before they give the batsmen the benefit of it. There is nothing in the laws of the game that says that the batsman gets the benefit of the doubt. The umpire obviously felt that he was sure enough to justify a decision of out.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (June 19, 2012, 16:44 GMT)

@denessa on (June 19 2012, 13:41 PM GMT), why are you, and some other people, talking about bias? Even if you think that Gayle's dismissal was a bad decision, what possible reason have you got to believe that an umpire from NZ is biased towards England and against WI? As for the third umpire, it concerns me greatly that you need us to explain to you how DRS works after all this time. Do you even watch cricket? The third umpire does not simply make a decision as to whether he thinks it is out or not. he looks to see whether there is conclusive proof that the on-field umpire made a mistake. If you think that those replays were conclusive either way then you're the one who's biased. Personally, I think it was out because I think the path of the ball would have been different if it was bat first, but there's no way that I can say that conclusively based on those replays and nor could anyone say the opposite.

Posted by   on (June 19, 2012, 16:39 GMT)

The West Indies have the big guns, but something is jamming the trigger: They just won't fire!

Posted by cric_fan_ on (June 19, 2012, 16:16 GMT)

Does anyone else thinks rampaul is being sent too down the order? He is far better a batsman than tino or narain or shilinford... I think sammy doesn't want to sent rampaul up the order because rampaul is a player who can challenge sammy's place in the team. He bowls far better than sammy and bats not much worse than sammy, so sending him up the order can show how good a batsman rampaul is and threaten sammy's place in the team.

Posted by cric_fan_ on (June 19, 2012, 16:12 GMT)

regardless of whosoever wins the game, gayle's dismissal is going to be the talking point. In my opinion the decision was correct, it was a marginal case and either gayle or swann had to feel unlucky in the end, it turned out to be gayle. Nothing wrong with umpires not giving benefit of the doubt to the batsman. But this should be consistent, in close calls either benefit of the doubt should go to the batsmen(like old days) or to the bowler or the umpires making the decision which they think is correct though marginal(like today). Whatever umpires choose the policy about close calls should be consistent not like current times when I see sometimes times the benefit going to the batsman and other times not.This keeps the errors in judgement from being evenly distributed to all the teams over long time.

Posted by cornplus on (June 19, 2012, 16:01 GMT)

I was quite surprise when I saw the on-field umpire gave Gale out LBW. Clearly the numerous replays show that contact was made with the ball at the point of impact with the pad. This is why he took so long to make his initial decisions. The 3rd umpire should have communicated this to the on-field umpire. The technology was brought in to correct such simple errors in human judgement but another error was made in interpreting the digital/video evidence presented. We need at least 3 umpires reviewing such video evidence to eliminate such BIAS in human error. AGAIN WHAT HAPPENED TO BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT TO THE BATSMAN.

Posted by   on (June 19, 2012, 15:58 GMT)

@Dinkey have to love your bias lol. Even the on-field umpire wasnt sure but how could he turn down a yelling swann. Took him five minutes to determine that the ball hit pad first if it was obvious to him his finger would have risen immediately, bowler always gets benefit of the doubt , when Windies are batting. Ramdin and Simmonds should not be in the same starting 11.

Posted by   on (June 19, 2012, 15:58 GMT)

So the batsman NO longer gets the benefit of the doubt. It goes to the Umpire.

Posted by RedRoseMan on (June 19, 2012, 15:24 GMT)

@denessa - the off field umpire could do nothing once the on filed umpire gave Gayle out. The off field umpire can only overrule the on field umpire's decision if DRS gives incontrovertible evidence that the original decision was wrong. In this instance it is unclear whether the on field umpire was right or wrong because the ball appears to have hit bat and pad pretty much simultaneously. The on filed umpire should therefore have given Gayle the benefit of the doubt, but having failed to do so the off field umpire could not overrule that decision.

Posted by   on (June 19, 2012, 15:01 GMT)

take off simmons and play chaderpaul stupid WICB!!!

Posted by gloriouscricket on (June 19, 2012, 15:01 GMT)

Woeful batting from the Windies top order, namely Simmons, Smith, lazy stroke from Samuels[did he not read the game coming to the wicket] Marlon how could you? Callous indifferent! THEN Sammy, Ramdin, 5 big names. Do not go blaming the coach, i wont hear it.Smith batting 1 down is near enough to the top of the order,Samuels, callous, indifferent,Simmons just dont seem to understand his place in the team. He is out of my next 11,Smith is my cpt.Ramdin ? out also, Devon comes in for Ramdin; Gayle & Smith are my openers,I,ll bring back Russel if he is healthy,pick from among the others, if Deonarine is still on tour he is in.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (June 19, 2012, 14:53 GMT)

Chris Gayle really is an impressive batsman. There are numerous other batsmen around the world who are capable of taking a game by the scruff of the neck and I'm not actually sure how Gayle's stats stack up against theirs but, regardless of that, there is simply noone anywhere who makes it look as easy as he does. There's just no fuss at all when he plays a shot. He makes a six onto the roof look like a defensive push.

Posted by BRUTALANALYST on (June 19, 2012, 14:52 GMT)

WHAT HAPPENED TO BATSMAN BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT ? HOW COULD ON FIELD UMPIRE GIVE THAT EVEN ON SLOW MO IT'S HARD TO TELL LOOKS LIKE HE JAMMED IT. AGAIN LIKE BELL LAST GAME LOOKS LIKE ALL THE TALK OF THIS GAME IS GOING TO BE FOCUSSED ON ONE DECISION.

Posted by   on (June 19, 2012, 14:47 GMT)

gayle's dismissal was bad .hope wi bowlers do well n they win this match to keep they series alive

Posted by jmcilhinney on (June 19, 2012, 14:47 GMT)

That WI innings certainly took place in stages. It was a quiet opening and then a blaze of glory from Gayle, then a lull after a few wickets, then a nice acceleration and then a second collapse. The final score is reasonable given where they were when the fourth wicket fell but disappointing given that they looked like getting to 260 or 270 when Bravo and Pollard were together. England shouldn't really have a problem chasing this total down, but stranger things have happened.

Posted by priceless1 on (June 19, 2012, 14:43 GMT)

Can somebody tell me why Simmons guys is in the team?

Posted by denessa on (June 19, 2012, 14:41 GMT)

GAYLE dismal was really BIAS...the umpire on and off the field got IT DEAD WRONG..... im more ANGRY at the off field umpire because he was the one with all the REPLAYS at his disposal......how i c it is that the third umpire does HARDLY want to OVER RULE the on field umpire decision most of the time.......wat is the PURPOSE of the THIRD UMPIRE really especially where it comes to making CORRECT DECISIONS? DAMM IT can some please tell me??????

Posted by rahulcricket007 on (June 19, 2012, 14:36 GMT)

WHAT SIMMONS WAS THIN KING ? GAYLE WAS STRIKING AT RUN A BALL & SIMMONS WAS SO SLOW THAT RR NEVER CROSSED 4.5 MARK DURING FIRST 14 OVERS .

Posted by richardror on (June 19, 2012, 14:35 GMT)

DRS is there to stop the umpires making terrible decision. That decision could have went either way, the umpire gave it out so DRS supported it. Well bowled England and well fought Bravo. I back England to manage it.

Posted by satspeare on (June 19, 2012, 14:14 GMT)

IT IS RATHER STRANGE HOW WEST INDIES SELECTORS CAN'T GET IT RIGHT!! SHIV CANNOT PLAY BECAUSE HE IS TOO SLOW BUT SIMMONS IS ON FIRE, RIGHT? RUSSEL AT LEAST SHOULD BE IN FOR SIMMONS AND OPEN WITH GAYLE AND SMITH. ONCE MORE WE ARE MISSING THE SERVICES OF A STABLIZING BATSMAN. WOULD LOVE TO SEE SHIV OPEN WITH GAYLE AGAIN.

Posted by   on (June 19, 2012, 14:04 GMT)

everyone except ramdhin can bowl.

Posted by BRUTALANALYST on (June 19, 2012, 14:02 GMT)

I told you opening with Simmons was a liability especially when Smith had been doing so well opening of late instead Gibson goes ahead an moves him around anyway Simmons 12 from 50 balls and Smith a duck at 3. How can you get any consistency or confidence when you don't know your real place in the side ? he should have opened with Gayle if they both strike the bowling team can be totally demoralised after just 10 overs.

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (June 19, 2012, 13:41 GMT)

Why are WI opening with Lendl Simmons!? Very strange... I'd have Gayle and Dwayne Smith opening: left-hand right-hand combo, and they could easily take the game away from just about any team. Come on WI, take the game by the jugular!

Posted by VivGilchrist on (June 19, 2012, 12:35 GMT)

Simmons 12 off 50 balls. That's using up 8.2 overs to make 12 runs.... What was he thinking? There is NEVER a good reason to bat that slow in an ODI. If he is not good enough to score quicker on a pitch that Gayle was scoring over a run a ball on he should not be playing. Smith with Gayle and then maybe Simmons at 3 , but after this performance maybe Charles should come in for him. You can't have guys auditioning for the Test XI putting themself ahead of the team.

Posted by A_Vacant_Slip on (June 19, 2012, 12:22 GMT)

Did I say 79/3. I meant 79/4. My bad. Sometimes it's hard to keep up.

Posted by A_Vacant_Slip on (June 19, 2012, 12:21 GMT)

79/3 they won't last long now... Business as usual for England bowlers.

Posted by   on (June 19, 2012, 12:17 GMT)

@ RhyanHarris, do you mean 'Bravo' ?

Posted by dinkey on (June 19, 2012, 12:07 GMT)

Didn't have a problem with Gayle's dismissal. Definetly hit the pad first.Great decision by Umpire Tony Hill and Kumar Dharmasena. I just wish the commentators on Sky wouldn't deliberate it so much. The umpires need our support.

Posted by   on (June 19, 2012, 11:46 GMT)

@RyanHarrisGC I read you mate lol

Posted by RyanHarrisGreatCricketer on (June 19, 2012, 11:12 GMT)

If Russell is fit he should be playing. Everyone knows who is the so-called ' allrounder ' who should be dropped

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