England v West Indies, 2nd ODI, The Oval June 23, 2012

Dwayne Bravo fined for criticising umpiring decision

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Dwayne Bravo, the West Indies allrounder, has been fined 20% of his match fee for publicly criticising an umpiring decision. Bravo, after the second ODI on Tuesday, criticised the lbw decision held against Chris Gayle.

"It's okay, umpires do make mistakes -- that's accepted -- but not when they see the referral as well and realise they've made the wrong decision and then stand by it," Bravo had said on Tuesday. "It was a game-changing moment, and it was always difficult then to get a big total. If the decision had gone a different way, it might have been a different ball game."

Chris Gayle, who was given out lbw against Graeme Swann, was going well, having struck five sixes and three fours to reach 53 off 50 balls. In Graeme Swann's second over, he was given out by Tony Hill who ruled the ball had struck the pad fractionally before the inside edge. Gayle immediately asked for a review but third umpire Kumar Dharmasena upheld the original decision, ruling there wasn't sufficient evidence to overturn it. From 63 for 0, West Indies slipped to 79 for 4.

"Dwayne unfortunately went over the mark in describing the Chris Gayle decision and used comments that criticised both the on-field and TV umpire," match referee Jeff Crowe said in a release.

There was no formal hearing as Bravo pleaded guilty. The charge - a Level 1 offence vis-à-vis inappropriate public comment - was laid by Hill and Dharmasena.

West Indies coach Ottis Gibson had been fined by the ICC in April this year during the Tests against Australia, for criticising the lack of consistency in the use of DRS.

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  • jmcilhinney on June 25, 2012, 7:22 GMT

    To me, Gayle looks out on the replay but there's no way I would swear to that in court. It's one of those where people will see what they want to see but, regardless of which way you wish the decision had gone, anyone who watches those replays and says that they can tell for sure whether it was bat or pad first is either lying or deluding themselves. As such, Bravo is outright wrong to even suggest that he, let alone the umpire, can see that the wrong decision was made. As for the third umpire, even if he thought that it wasn't out, he also obviously admits that it was too close to call for sure based on the replay because, if he had thought otherwise then their would not have been any reason for him not to overrule the original decision. Plenty of decisions have been overruled and umpires are generally happy to be overruled if they are clearly wrong. For Bravo to say that the umpire knew for sure that Gayle was not out but called him out is an accusation of cheating and is not OK.

  • JG2704 on June 24, 2012, 9:08 GMT

    @SIRSOBERS on (June 23 2012, 20:49 PM GMT) you talk about hypocrisy from the Eng fans. The other day you were saying that Eng should have scheduled the WI test series so that it didn't clash with IPL so that WI could field some of their IPL stars , but then the WI/Aus series also overlapped the IPL. So you actually expected Eng to change their scheduling but not your own WI side?

  • JG2704 on June 24, 2012, 8:55 GMT

    @ SIRSOBERS on (June 23 2012, 20:43 PM GMT) Where has he said this ? Post a link or something.

  • BRUTALANALYST on June 23, 2012, 20:49 GMT

    @the_wallster and other "outrged" English fans typical hypocrisy save me the fake outrage "bringing the game into disrepute" when none of you have anything to say about Bell not walking in the first Odi after that huge nick it's embarrassing.

  • BRUTALANALYST on June 23, 2012, 20:43 GMT

    @JG704 Bell, asked if he'd edged the ball on 23, admitted: "Yes." google is your friend but there is the quote anyway.

  • SemajAG on June 23, 2012, 20:00 GMT

    It's wierdly obvious, that the Umps are the cricketing lords! I cannot recall ever hearing an Ump been fined or fired for an erroneous decision. One bad decision can wreck ones life for ever and obviously this happens quite often when bad decisions go against West Indies in particular. Eliminate bad umpiring by scrapping them.

  • the_wallster on June 23, 2012, 19:12 GMT

    This is plain and simple; you cannot bring the game into disrepute. Bravo's comments are not only fatuous and wholly incorrect, but criticising the umpire's decision is just incredibly bad form. The decision Gayle got was a 50/50, and in those circumstances, if the evidence is not conclusive, the decision stays with the umpire. What on earth Bravo and the Windies team are seeing is bewilering. No fair-minded viewer could conclusively say whether the ball hit the bat or the pad first. The first sign of a losing team is not its results, but the excuses it makes for those results.

  • JG2704 on June 23, 2012, 18:10 GMT

    @lyrad92 on (June 23 2012, 14:46 PM GMT) I only watched the highlights and while there was a noise , there was no hot spot or clear visible edge with Bell and I find it hard to believe our commentators would say that. I have absolutely no idea what the rest of your rant's about

  • JG2704 on June 23, 2012, 18:06 GMT

    @thegaffoor on (June 23 2012, 15:44 PM GMT) How was it an obvious mistake ? I've not seen the Sanga incident and couldn't care less about it but why should an umpire apologise for something he still believes he got right? Just because you don't it doesn't make him wrong.

  • JG2704 on June 23, 2012, 18:02 GMT

    @bajah on (June 23 2012, 13:28 PM GMT) No , I still feel Bravo crossed the line on this one as I feel he was pretty much accusing the umpire of cheating. I was not against what Ramdin said re Viv and felt his punishment was unfair but when your words can be seen as a slur on an umpire's good name then I think a player should be punished

  • jmcilhinney on June 25, 2012, 7:22 GMT

    To me, Gayle looks out on the replay but there's no way I would swear to that in court. It's one of those where people will see what they want to see but, regardless of which way you wish the decision had gone, anyone who watches those replays and says that they can tell for sure whether it was bat or pad first is either lying or deluding themselves. As such, Bravo is outright wrong to even suggest that he, let alone the umpire, can see that the wrong decision was made. As for the third umpire, even if he thought that it wasn't out, he also obviously admits that it was too close to call for sure based on the replay because, if he had thought otherwise then their would not have been any reason for him not to overrule the original decision. Plenty of decisions have been overruled and umpires are generally happy to be overruled if they are clearly wrong. For Bravo to say that the umpire knew for sure that Gayle was not out but called him out is an accusation of cheating and is not OK.

  • JG2704 on June 24, 2012, 9:08 GMT

    @SIRSOBERS on (June 23 2012, 20:49 PM GMT) you talk about hypocrisy from the Eng fans. The other day you were saying that Eng should have scheduled the WI test series so that it didn't clash with IPL so that WI could field some of their IPL stars , but then the WI/Aus series also overlapped the IPL. So you actually expected Eng to change their scheduling but not your own WI side?

  • JG2704 on June 24, 2012, 8:55 GMT

    @ SIRSOBERS on (June 23 2012, 20:43 PM GMT) Where has he said this ? Post a link or something.

  • BRUTALANALYST on June 23, 2012, 20:49 GMT

    @the_wallster and other "outrged" English fans typical hypocrisy save me the fake outrage "bringing the game into disrepute" when none of you have anything to say about Bell not walking in the first Odi after that huge nick it's embarrassing.

  • BRUTALANALYST on June 23, 2012, 20:43 GMT

    @JG704 Bell, asked if he'd edged the ball on 23, admitted: "Yes." google is your friend but there is the quote anyway.

  • SemajAG on June 23, 2012, 20:00 GMT

    It's wierdly obvious, that the Umps are the cricketing lords! I cannot recall ever hearing an Ump been fined or fired for an erroneous decision. One bad decision can wreck ones life for ever and obviously this happens quite often when bad decisions go against West Indies in particular. Eliminate bad umpiring by scrapping them.

  • the_wallster on June 23, 2012, 19:12 GMT

    This is plain and simple; you cannot bring the game into disrepute. Bravo's comments are not only fatuous and wholly incorrect, but criticising the umpire's decision is just incredibly bad form. The decision Gayle got was a 50/50, and in those circumstances, if the evidence is not conclusive, the decision stays with the umpire. What on earth Bravo and the Windies team are seeing is bewilering. No fair-minded viewer could conclusively say whether the ball hit the bat or the pad first. The first sign of a losing team is not its results, but the excuses it makes for those results.

  • JG2704 on June 23, 2012, 18:10 GMT

    @lyrad92 on (June 23 2012, 14:46 PM GMT) I only watched the highlights and while there was a noise , there was no hot spot or clear visible edge with Bell and I find it hard to believe our commentators would say that. I have absolutely no idea what the rest of your rant's about

  • JG2704 on June 23, 2012, 18:06 GMT

    @thegaffoor on (June 23 2012, 15:44 PM GMT) How was it an obvious mistake ? I've not seen the Sanga incident and couldn't care less about it but why should an umpire apologise for something he still believes he got right? Just because you don't it doesn't make him wrong.

  • JG2704 on June 23, 2012, 18:02 GMT

    @bajah on (June 23 2012, 13:28 PM GMT) No , I still feel Bravo crossed the line on this one as I feel he was pretty much accusing the umpire of cheating. I was not against what Ramdin said re Viv and felt his punishment was unfair but when your words can be seen as a slur on an umpire's good name then I think a player should be punished

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on June 23, 2012, 17:47 GMT

    What goes around comes around, and I don't know why people continue to discuss this! Think of how many wickets bowlers over the years have been denied because of 'bad decisions'! This is a part of crciket that we all need to accept, and in my opinion, no amount of technology will make it go away.

  • thegaffoor on June 23, 2012, 15:44 GMT

    Honestly, this is simply clumsy and stupid... When Sangakkara was given out in Australia, when he was on 192, the umpire Rudi Koertzen apologised to Sangakkara later... If the umpire does a mistake they too have to accept it..

  • lyrad92 on June 23, 2012, 14:46 GMT

    well i read a time back one of the english former player sayin that west indies are never to get on top of world cricket and every series we play we get the hardest decisions....i remember playin Australia and ricky pointing gettin 3 hands and symonds getting a couple in positions where we cud have betten them and well the umpires did nothing....west indies rjust not to get back on top of world cricket....u should have heard the english commentators when ian bell edged the ball and was caught by ramdin on twenty something..."oh well he clearly edged the ball"....and it was finished

  • bajah on June 23, 2012, 13:28 GMT

    What is this harrassment against West Indian players and staff. If the players are fined for publicly criticizing the umpires then the umpires should be fined for public making the wrong call. @JG2704 how could u say that u are all for freedom of speech but! when no obscene language was involve or name calling. the players only have freedom on speech in the dressing room. The way I see it West Indies should just stop all interviews and press conferences. but then again there might be a fine to that as well

  • JG2704 on June 23, 2012, 12:29 GMT

    @aiksa on (June 23 2012, 10:01 AM GMT) DRS will only overturn the original decision if it was shown that the original decision was wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt. Had the original decision been not out and Swann appealed against it , it would have stayed with the onfield umpire and Gayle would have stayed. The fact that no one could say that the ball definitely hit the bat first says it all. KP got one where he was given out LBW in UAE and even though he was a long way down the pitch and the ball was shown by hawk eye to only be clipping the bails he had to walk. These certainly may be unlucky on the batsmen but are in no way blatantly wrong and if the umpire feels a batsman's out and it is clearly not out then at least the batsman has a chance with DRS.

  • JG2704 on June 23, 2012, 12:19 GMT

    @SIRSOBERS on (June 23 2012, 09:21 AM GMT) Please tell us where Bell admitted he nicked the ball?

  • aiksa on June 23, 2012, 10:01 GMT

    I saw that review myself and believe the decision was wrong because there was enough doubt in it and the basic rule says batsman gets the benefit of doubt not the bowler. But lately I have seen many umpires giving doubtful decisions against batsmen. ICC should limit the time and number of replays allowed to the 3rd umpire for making his decision. If there is no doubt, umpire doesn't need to see the replay 10 times. If umpire can't make up his mind after watching 2 replays, that should be proof that there is enough doubt and the decision should go in favor of the batsman.

  • BRUTALANALYST on June 23, 2012, 9:21 GMT

    I think freedom of speech should allow this players should be able to express how they feel on big topics as long as they don't personally insult anyone or overstep the line. If the ECB are so keen on keeping balance in the spirit of the game surely Ian Bell should be fined after admitting to nicking that one behind in the first odi after the game ?

  • JG2704 on June 23, 2012, 7:52 GMT

    I'm all for freedom of speech but I think Bravo is going way too far with what he says and it implies that the umpires thought the decision was incorrect and just went along with it. Guess the fine is just chump change to an IPL player

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  • JG2704 on June 23, 2012, 7:52 GMT

    I'm all for freedom of speech but I think Bravo is going way too far with what he says and it implies that the umpires thought the decision was incorrect and just went along with it. Guess the fine is just chump change to an IPL player

  • BRUTALANALYST on June 23, 2012, 9:21 GMT

    I think freedom of speech should allow this players should be able to express how they feel on big topics as long as they don't personally insult anyone or overstep the line. If the ECB are so keen on keeping balance in the spirit of the game surely Ian Bell should be fined after admitting to nicking that one behind in the first odi after the game ?

  • aiksa on June 23, 2012, 10:01 GMT

    I saw that review myself and believe the decision was wrong because there was enough doubt in it and the basic rule says batsman gets the benefit of doubt not the bowler. But lately I have seen many umpires giving doubtful decisions against batsmen. ICC should limit the time and number of replays allowed to the 3rd umpire for making his decision. If there is no doubt, umpire doesn't need to see the replay 10 times. If umpire can't make up his mind after watching 2 replays, that should be proof that there is enough doubt and the decision should go in favor of the batsman.

  • JG2704 on June 23, 2012, 12:19 GMT

    @SIRSOBERS on (June 23 2012, 09:21 AM GMT) Please tell us where Bell admitted he nicked the ball?

  • JG2704 on June 23, 2012, 12:29 GMT

    @aiksa on (June 23 2012, 10:01 AM GMT) DRS will only overturn the original decision if it was shown that the original decision was wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt. Had the original decision been not out and Swann appealed against it , it would have stayed with the onfield umpire and Gayle would have stayed. The fact that no one could say that the ball definitely hit the bat first says it all. KP got one where he was given out LBW in UAE and even though he was a long way down the pitch and the ball was shown by hawk eye to only be clipping the bails he had to walk. These certainly may be unlucky on the batsmen but are in no way blatantly wrong and if the umpire feels a batsman's out and it is clearly not out then at least the batsman has a chance with DRS.

  • bajah on June 23, 2012, 13:28 GMT

    What is this harrassment against West Indian players and staff. If the players are fined for publicly criticizing the umpires then the umpires should be fined for public making the wrong call. @JG2704 how could u say that u are all for freedom of speech but! when no obscene language was involve or name calling. the players only have freedom on speech in the dressing room. The way I see it West Indies should just stop all interviews and press conferences. but then again there might be a fine to that as well

  • lyrad92 on June 23, 2012, 14:46 GMT

    well i read a time back one of the english former player sayin that west indies are never to get on top of world cricket and every series we play we get the hardest decisions....i remember playin Australia and ricky pointing gettin 3 hands and symonds getting a couple in positions where we cud have betten them and well the umpires did nothing....west indies rjust not to get back on top of world cricket....u should have heard the english commentators when ian bell edged the ball and was caught by ramdin on twenty something..."oh well he clearly edged the ball"....and it was finished

  • thegaffoor on June 23, 2012, 15:44 GMT

    Honestly, this is simply clumsy and stupid... When Sangakkara was given out in Australia, when he was on 192, the umpire Rudi Koertzen apologised to Sangakkara later... If the umpire does a mistake they too have to accept it..

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on June 23, 2012, 17:47 GMT

    What goes around comes around, and I don't know why people continue to discuss this! Think of how many wickets bowlers over the years have been denied because of 'bad decisions'! This is a part of crciket that we all need to accept, and in my opinion, no amount of technology will make it go away.

  • JG2704 on June 23, 2012, 18:02 GMT

    @bajah on (June 23 2012, 13:28 PM GMT) No , I still feel Bravo crossed the line on this one as I feel he was pretty much accusing the umpire of cheating. I was not against what Ramdin said re Viv and felt his punishment was unfair but when your words can be seen as a slur on an umpire's good name then I think a player should be punished