England's captain-coach row January 18, 2009

I couldn't support Pietersen over Moores - Flintoff

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Andrew Flintoff: "I couldn't support him in not having the coach there, because I had a good relationship with Peter Moores, and I was open about that with Kevin, with Mooresy and Hugh [Morris]" © Getty Images
 

Andrew Flintoff has cleared the speculation over his role in England's captain-coach fiasco. Although both Kevin Pietersen and Peter Moores - who lost their jobs as captain and coach - had his backing, Flintoff said he did not support Pietersen's move to oust Moores, and told Pietersen that.

As a senior member of the team, Flintoff's opinion was considered to be key as Hugh Morris, the managing director of England cricket, investigated the falling out between captain and coach. "We had a sense of what was happening out in India and the one thing with Kevin [Pietersen], which I've said to him, was: 'As a captain, as a player, I'll support you'," Flintoff told the Observer. "The way I played proves that. I played for Kevin as I did for Vaughany [Michael Vaughan] or Nasser [Hussain] or whoever it may be. I didn't want him to finish. I thought he could have given himself time to grow into the role.

"But on the flip-side I couldn't support him in not having the coach there, because I had a good relationship with Peter Moores, and I was open about that with Kevin, with Mooresy and Hugh [Morris]."

Flintoff felt the players had to take responsibility for the recent reverses. "We don't want to get into the football scenario where the team gets beat and the manager gets sacked," he said. "As players we've got everything at our disposal, we've got the coaches and we've got everything we need to perform. We've got to take some responsibility. To be fair to Mooresy the one thing he's kept is his dignity. Because he's a good man. He is a good man."

In the wake of the row, media reports speculated over possible cliques in the team, but Flintoff did not see it as an issue. "Everyone's going on about cliques and this and that. I suppose there are. You get put together as a group of people. The one thing you've got in common is that you play cricket. Within that, you'll get on better with someone," he said. "That's not to the detriment of the side. That's how it is. If you're in an office or any other walk of life you get on better with some than others and that's how the England team works. When you get on the pitch we're all fighting for the same outcome. We want to win games of cricket. I really don't see it being a problem."

Flintoff backed Pietersen to bounce back strongly from the mess, as well as new captain Andrew Strauss to prove himself in the shorter formats. "He's his own man. We're very much chalk and cheese, but we get on fine. He's the brunt of the jokes sometimes, so we're going to have to tone that down. He's a good fellow. People are mentioning the one-day stuff [Strauss was named one-day captain for the West Indies despite not being part of the squad in recent times], but he's scored one-day hundreds. Knowing Straussy, he'll just adapt."

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  • POSTED BY nab2807 on | January 20, 2009, 1:37 GMT

    Also could someone please tell Harmison to keep his comments to himself. He is not even a team regular that warrants him commenting on the affairs of the England team. He should spend more energy on trying to make the first team rather than opening his mouth to say nothing of substance. The only ones that should be speaking to the press if at all are the individuals directly involved in the matter; KP as outgoing captain, Strauss as incoming captain and the relevant ECB people. This obsession by everyone with making statements to the press fuels more speculation and is merely tabloid fodder that does not help the team in any way.

  • POSTED BY nab2807 on | January 20, 2009, 1:24 GMT

    Many on the England team actually felt threatened by having a captain like KP who was likely to accept nothing less than the absolute best from them. He ruffled some feathers both in the team and ECB and they didn't like it because it revealed their own ineptitudes. For those who are actually good enough to be in the England team like Flintoff, it means living up to their true potential and that requires effort and discipline. The occasional good bowling and batting performance is simply not good enough from someone like Flintoff who has the capability of being one of cricket's greatest allrounders. KP might be arrogant and cocky but at least he has ambition! Being overconfident is much less of a crime than being mediocre which describes about half the England team. England have taken a massive step back in appointing Strauss who is an average player captaining an average team.

  • POSTED BY damonski1970 on | January 19, 2009, 20:46 GMT

    I suppose this was always going to happen with KP being who KP is....a deeply selfish yet hugely talented cricketer who wants to dominate in world cricket no matter how he gets there. Shame he isn't the skipper of SA or Aus - they may have given him the kind of slack to criticise the coach that Warne used to enjoy when he used to criticise John Buchanan! But this is the ECB we're dealing with and they don't like to be told what's what. This may cost England the Ashes. But no doubt KP will go on to be one of the greatest of all time with the bat. Maybe he did himself the greatest favour he could have rather than running himself into the ground dealing with the politics and demands of the captaincy!

  • POSTED BY palfeb3_1987 on | January 19, 2009, 11:23 GMT

    The captain should have been backed by the management and the team more importantly. I am for one, is always of the opinion that the captain should have the ultimate say in the team's selection. The captain is the one who is out there to play the best for his country and only he knows what or who best is needed for the team. The role of the coach is to toughen the players' mental skills ahead of a game. The coach is nowhere to decide about the team's composition. Its really foolish that the team isn't united esp. freddie,the senior player, who should have been the first one to back KP. It just shows the lack of cohesion and unity in the team. Freddie may be a valuable senior player but what he has ultimately done is break the dressing room unity(Maybe due to his ego clashes with KP). And again England are back to square 1 where they should have been the favourites to beat the windies and build up the momentum to the Ashes. But Strauss i hope makes a good captain.

  • POSTED BY gavbergin on | January 19, 2009, 10:19 GMT

    As an undeniably influential part of England's team as a performer, Andrew Flintoff is peerles. However, since the events of the last few weeks, the amount of fawning publicity surrounding his seemingly non-partisan role in the demise of his captain and coach sets alarm bells ringing. It seems that 'Freddie' is just a northern lad, happy just to turn up and bowl fast, hit hard and sink a few beers with the opposition at the end of the day. Perish the thought that this might be part of the hype that has been attached to Flintoff since 2005! The idea that he didn't want to stick the knife into Pietersen is as disingenuous as the afore-mentioned simple yeoman schtick that Flintoff and his slick publicity machine has been peddling for years. I am no fan of Kevin Pietersen and believe he was the wrong choice for the Captain's job-as wrong as Flintoff's selection was- but even someone as arrogant and overrated as'KP', deserves some loyalty from his team-mates.

  • POSTED BY jaross on | January 19, 2009, 10:00 GMT

    Well done Andrew Flintoff...........some honesty at last from this sorry situation. How can Giles Clarke be quoted as saying that KP has acted with dignity, when the Coach has had to go in such a messy way? Perhaps GC will lose out to Lord Marland as Chair of the ECB now in the same dignified fashion!? After the KP saga, Stanford, and NO terrestrial TV, he should be asking how well are the ECB managing and portraying our Cricket to the wider world!?

  • POSTED BY Spinoza on | January 19, 2009, 7:18 GMT

    It still does not answer the question: Is the captain the CEO of the team entitled to command all team personnel including the coach in order take responsibility for victory or defeat or is he just a limited functionary who reports to the coach - who is the CEO ? If the latter is true, the credit for victory or defeat should like with the coach and if the former is true the captain is the one to take blame and credit. For effective functioning, the leadership definition should be clear and unambiguous - otherwise, no one is in charge. May be, that is where the problem lies in England. The responsibility is too nebulous. Keven - being a South African, probably imagined himself as an equal to Ponting or Dhoni or Smith - in weilding a substantial clout in determining what constitutes the team including who gets to be the coach - not knowing that the English style is as indeterminate as its performance on the pitch.

  • POSTED BY Abhithen on | January 19, 2009, 4:28 GMT

    This is something which happened in the Indian board when Ganguly was dropped. He had the rift with the then coach chappell and it was just publicized to get media attention.... But here KP is a person who feels like talking anything that comes to his mind.... he is very aggressive and the England team was getting built for the wcup 2011 and all of a sudden a mishap occurs. But now KP can be off pressure and talk with his bat..

  • POSTED BY KTiwari on | January 19, 2009, 4:07 GMT

    Somewhere I feel, KP made a mistake in clearly understanding on who was truly behind him and who was not. Freddie,Harmison et al have said so many things and now it is difficult to understand their true position. Freddie has no moral high ground, his captaincy has been a waste plus too much of drinking even close to the matches....remember world cup....

  • POSTED BY pommejohn on | January 19, 2009, 0:20 GMT

    Politics and percieved power enters just about all aspects of team endevours . But I think it will come to pass that KP will eventualy rise to the top(possibly during the up coming series) as he has the carisma, ability, and definately enthusiasm to do the job. So Freddy dont get injured !

  • POSTED BY nab2807 on | January 20, 2009, 1:37 GMT

    Also could someone please tell Harmison to keep his comments to himself. He is not even a team regular that warrants him commenting on the affairs of the England team. He should spend more energy on trying to make the first team rather than opening his mouth to say nothing of substance. The only ones that should be speaking to the press if at all are the individuals directly involved in the matter; KP as outgoing captain, Strauss as incoming captain and the relevant ECB people. This obsession by everyone with making statements to the press fuels more speculation and is merely tabloid fodder that does not help the team in any way.

  • POSTED BY nab2807 on | January 20, 2009, 1:24 GMT

    Many on the England team actually felt threatened by having a captain like KP who was likely to accept nothing less than the absolute best from them. He ruffled some feathers both in the team and ECB and they didn't like it because it revealed their own ineptitudes. For those who are actually good enough to be in the England team like Flintoff, it means living up to their true potential and that requires effort and discipline. The occasional good bowling and batting performance is simply not good enough from someone like Flintoff who has the capability of being one of cricket's greatest allrounders. KP might be arrogant and cocky but at least he has ambition! Being overconfident is much less of a crime than being mediocre which describes about half the England team. England have taken a massive step back in appointing Strauss who is an average player captaining an average team.

  • POSTED BY damonski1970 on | January 19, 2009, 20:46 GMT

    I suppose this was always going to happen with KP being who KP is....a deeply selfish yet hugely talented cricketer who wants to dominate in world cricket no matter how he gets there. Shame he isn't the skipper of SA or Aus - they may have given him the kind of slack to criticise the coach that Warne used to enjoy when he used to criticise John Buchanan! But this is the ECB we're dealing with and they don't like to be told what's what. This may cost England the Ashes. But no doubt KP will go on to be one of the greatest of all time with the bat. Maybe he did himself the greatest favour he could have rather than running himself into the ground dealing with the politics and demands of the captaincy!

  • POSTED BY palfeb3_1987 on | January 19, 2009, 11:23 GMT

    The captain should have been backed by the management and the team more importantly. I am for one, is always of the opinion that the captain should have the ultimate say in the team's selection. The captain is the one who is out there to play the best for his country and only he knows what or who best is needed for the team. The role of the coach is to toughen the players' mental skills ahead of a game. The coach is nowhere to decide about the team's composition. Its really foolish that the team isn't united esp. freddie,the senior player, who should have been the first one to back KP. It just shows the lack of cohesion and unity in the team. Freddie may be a valuable senior player but what he has ultimately done is break the dressing room unity(Maybe due to his ego clashes with KP). And again England are back to square 1 where they should have been the favourites to beat the windies and build up the momentum to the Ashes. But Strauss i hope makes a good captain.

  • POSTED BY gavbergin on | January 19, 2009, 10:19 GMT

    As an undeniably influential part of England's team as a performer, Andrew Flintoff is peerles. However, since the events of the last few weeks, the amount of fawning publicity surrounding his seemingly non-partisan role in the demise of his captain and coach sets alarm bells ringing. It seems that 'Freddie' is just a northern lad, happy just to turn up and bowl fast, hit hard and sink a few beers with the opposition at the end of the day. Perish the thought that this might be part of the hype that has been attached to Flintoff since 2005! The idea that he didn't want to stick the knife into Pietersen is as disingenuous as the afore-mentioned simple yeoman schtick that Flintoff and his slick publicity machine has been peddling for years. I am no fan of Kevin Pietersen and believe he was the wrong choice for the Captain's job-as wrong as Flintoff's selection was- but even someone as arrogant and overrated as'KP', deserves some loyalty from his team-mates.

  • POSTED BY jaross on | January 19, 2009, 10:00 GMT

    Well done Andrew Flintoff...........some honesty at last from this sorry situation. How can Giles Clarke be quoted as saying that KP has acted with dignity, when the Coach has had to go in such a messy way? Perhaps GC will lose out to Lord Marland as Chair of the ECB now in the same dignified fashion!? After the KP saga, Stanford, and NO terrestrial TV, he should be asking how well are the ECB managing and portraying our Cricket to the wider world!?

  • POSTED BY Spinoza on | January 19, 2009, 7:18 GMT

    It still does not answer the question: Is the captain the CEO of the team entitled to command all team personnel including the coach in order take responsibility for victory or defeat or is he just a limited functionary who reports to the coach - who is the CEO ? If the latter is true, the credit for victory or defeat should like with the coach and if the former is true the captain is the one to take blame and credit. For effective functioning, the leadership definition should be clear and unambiguous - otherwise, no one is in charge. May be, that is where the problem lies in England. The responsibility is too nebulous. Keven - being a South African, probably imagined himself as an equal to Ponting or Dhoni or Smith - in weilding a substantial clout in determining what constitutes the team including who gets to be the coach - not knowing that the English style is as indeterminate as its performance on the pitch.

  • POSTED BY Abhithen on | January 19, 2009, 4:28 GMT

    This is something which happened in the Indian board when Ganguly was dropped. He had the rift with the then coach chappell and it was just publicized to get media attention.... But here KP is a person who feels like talking anything that comes to his mind.... he is very aggressive and the England team was getting built for the wcup 2011 and all of a sudden a mishap occurs. But now KP can be off pressure and talk with his bat..

  • POSTED BY KTiwari on | January 19, 2009, 4:07 GMT

    Somewhere I feel, KP made a mistake in clearly understanding on who was truly behind him and who was not. Freddie,Harmison et al have said so many things and now it is difficult to understand their true position. Freddie has no moral high ground, his captaincy has been a waste plus too much of drinking even close to the matches....remember world cup....

  • POSTED BY pommejohn on | January 19, 2009, 0:20 GMT

    Politics and percieved power enters just about all aspects of team endevours . But I think it will come to pass that KP will eventualy rise to the top(possibly during the up coming series) as he has the carisma, ability, and definately enthusiasm to do the job. So Freddy dont get injured !

  • POSTED BY phoenixsteve on | January 19, 2009, 0:19 GMT

    So another King is dead and once again "long live the king!" Quite what the England selectors were up to making KP captain is a mystery? Muppets! In fairness to KP he did have some success before his big ....um... ego got in the way! As much as I like Strauss it will probably be his form that decides how long he reigns and that might be too much of a burden? Soon we will be in a situation of giving everyone a clean sheet in order to get a second bite at the cherry! Personally I was sad to see Vaughan go and maybe it's written inthe stars that he'll hit some form early in the season, get the captaincy back and win us the Ashes!Hope so.... Come on England!

  • POSTED BY Prendleton on | January 18, 2009, 20:50 GMT

    Nice comments Jack J. Very perceptive!

  • POSTED BY SummerofGeorge on | January 18, 2009, 20:18 GMT

    nonsense, KP has batted us out of jams more than anyone in recent times. I love Freddie, but let's be fair, when was the last time he won a test match for England, it's 2005. He takes 3 fers and puts in the hard yards and no-one doubts his decency of commitment, but Strauss is a better choice for captain.

    Cliques be damned, they get well paid, the lot of them and it's time they showed their mettle, i don't care if they all hate each other, there is a job to be done and they haven't been doing it.

    As an England fan the talk is cheap as talk always is, lets win some matches for once and stop harking back to past glories or focusing on inept fiascos as we always seem to.

    Stop looking for the excuse to lose before the coin has been tossed.

  • POSTED BY Rezaul on | January 18, 2009, 19:32 GMT

    I am wondering how people forget the heroics of KP. Just found someone claiming that KP was never there when England needs it. I would request please go and check the record book. There are many matches when KP lead the fight single handed. Remember the recent series in India 5th ODI at Cuttack and 2nd Test at Mohali when KP stood firm and took the team out of danger single handedly scoring stunning centuries in a hostile environment. It will be injustice if anybody questions about KP's commitment. He plays tough and hard, that's how he achieves success. If you want him to be succeeded as captain you have to give him enough space to implement his plans. It will rude and irresponsible if anybody question his integrity! He plays for England and gives 100% in every single moment.

  • POSTED BY Neelaka on | January 18, 2009, 17:34 GMT

    I am not an English Fan, but firmly believe they have the capacity to be a better team and beat Aussies in the Ashes. KP might be a great captain, but he should learn art of being a leader includes compromises. You cant have everything you want, and he does not understand this. I think England is better off without him and though Strauss would be another ordinary captain, would be better than KP. and isn't is funny that England could not find a that was captain born in UK...

  • POSTED BY Nampally on | January 18, 2009, 17:24 GMT

    Personal differences between KP and Moores would cause a split in the players who generally want to see the two top guys get on with each other. I am not surprised at Flintoff wanting both the guys there rather than Moores getting sacked just because KP cannot get on with him. ECB & all Cricket boards have a major role by establishing pre-requisites in selection of the Team Captain and Head Coach. This should include a pre-selection training coarse for the Captain & the Coach which clearly outlines their roles including the need to develop a strong working chemistry with each other. If it does not exist, we have a Moores & KP scenario. Although Moores was behind KP's selection, the chemistry aspect should have been confirmed prior to KP's selection. KP has rigid & inflexible attitude which disqualifies him for Captaincy. Being a world class batsmen alone does not necessarily mean KP has Captaincy credentials. ECB"s responsibility in this failure are evident and we have lesson to learn.

  • POSTED BY madmike360 on | January 18, 2009, 16:03 GMT

    Well said Freddy!!!!!!!. In my Opinion Fred is the most suitable guy for that position. When he is Up and running England team follows him. So called "KP" dose not have the team sprit or the national pride and he was never there when England needs him.

  • POSTED BY Gerrit on | January 18, 2009, 15:17 GMT

    I think the public should not be so quite to judge KP, when he won England the ASHES he was the hero, now he is a plonker???? No one really know what went on behind closed doors. Go KP, let your bat do the talking!!!

  • POSTED BY Jayanth on | January 18, 2009, 15:12 GMT

    The England team was just about beginning to find its feet, and this situation is highly unwarranted & uncalled for. I believe KP, at the moment, in his early playing days, was shaping up well as a player and captain. The team performed extremely well against South Africa at home and gave a tough run to India, which even the mighty Australians could not do, with the players of the ranks of Brett Lee, Mitchell Johnson, Ricky Ponting, Mathew Hayden, Simon Katich and Michael Hussey in their armour. All that the team and the support staff (by support staff, I include the coach also here) needed to do was to advise Pieterson, talk to him in a pleasant manner and just support him to the hilt. What should have been solved over a mug of beer has been blown out of terrible proportions and the entire world is watching. Now, everyone knows that this team is in doldrums and they will be confident when they meet England next time. Thumbs down to the management of the team and ECB.

  • POSTED BY dar268 on | January 18, 2009, 12:21 GMT

    Well done Freddie...kinda makes KP looks even more of a plonker after claiming that everyone had given him full support.

  • POSTED BY Dan-argent on | January 18, 2009, 11:49 GMT

    At least Andrew Flintoff has shown some honesty and revealed his role in the saga. He is right, the captain should not overrule the coach.

  • POSTED BY JackJ on | January 18, 2009, 11:47 GMT

    The media distortion caused much of the trouble that led to KP resigning. Initially, key players like Fred were said to have "undermined" KP in discussion with Morris. Then Fred, Harmison, Collingwood and Strauss were cited as denying this and supporting KP as skipper! Now we have this latest revelation which is probably correct. It turns out that the key players want KP as skipper, they just didnt want to be associated with sacking Moores. If one analyses this, it points the finger at Morris as well. Morris failed to make this distinction clear and allowed a wrong perception to develop. That he did this deliberately is obvious. As Moores' crony, he wanted KP out. Its understandable that the players would show some loyalty to Moores. However, they had at least as much loyalty to KP! However, I agree with Greig that the captain must be the kingpin. Coaches cannot dominate, only support the captain. Moores was being mulish about Vaughan, ergo, he had to go! KP was entitled to his team.

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  • POSTED BY JackJ on | January 18, 2009, 11:47 GMT

    The media distortion caused much of the trouble that led to KP resigning. Initially, key players like Fred were said to have "undermined" KP in discussion with Morris. Then Fred, Harmison, Collingwood and Strauss were cited as denying this and supporting KP as skipper! Now we have this latest revelation which is probably correct. It turns out that the key players want KP as skipper, they just didnt want to be associated with sacking Moores. If one analyses this, it points the finger at Morris as well. Morris failed to make this distinction clear and allowed a wrong perception to develop. That he did this deliberately is obvious. As Moores' crony, he wanted KP out. Its understandable that the players would show some loyalty to Moores. However, they had at least as much loyalty to KP! However, I agree with Greig that the captain must be the kingpin. Coaches cannot dominate, only support the captain. Moores was being mulish about Vaughan, ergo, he had to go! KP was entitled to his team.

  • POSTED BY Dan-argent on | January 18, 2009, 11:49 GMT

    At least Andrew Flintoff has shown some honesty and revealed his role in the saga. He is right, the captain should not overrule the coach.

  • POSTED BY dar268 on | January 18, 2009, 12:21 GMT

    Well done Freddie...kinda makes KP looks even more of a plonker after claiming that everyone had given him full support.

  • POSTED BY Jayanth on | January 18, 2009, 15:12 GMT

    The England team was just about beginning to find its feet, and this situation is highly unwarranted & uncalled for. I believe KP, at the moment, in his early playing days, was shaping up well as a player and captain. The team performed extremely well against South Africa at home and gave a tough run to India, which even the mighty Australians could not do, with the players of the ranks of Brett Lee, Mitchell Johnson, Ricky Ponting, Mathew Hayden, Simon Katich and Michael Hussey in their armour. All that the team and the support staff (by support staff, I include the coach also here) needed to do was to advise Pieterson, talk to him in a pleasant manner and just support him to the hilt. What should have been solved over a mug of beer has been blown out of terrible proportions and the entire world is watching. Now, everyone knows that this team is in doldrums and they will be confident when they meet England next time. Thumbs down to the management of the team and ECB.

  • POSTED BY Gerrit on | January 18, 2009, 15:17 GMT

    I think the public should not be so quite to judge KP, when he won England the ASHES he was the hero, now he is a plonker???? No one really know what went on behind closed doors. Go KP, let your bat do the talking!!!

  • POSTED BY madmike360 on | January 18, 2009, 16:03 GMT

    Well said Freddy!!!!!!!. In my Opinion Fred is the most suitable guy for that position. When he is Up and running England team follows him. So called "KP" dose not have the team sprit or the national pride and he was never there when England needs him.

  • POSTED BY Nampally on | January 18, 2009, 17:24 GMT

    Personal differences between KP and Moores would cause a split in the players who generally want to see the two top guys get on with each other. I am not surprised at Flintoff wanting both the guys there rather than Moores getting sacked just because KP cannot get on with him. ECB & all Cricket boards have a major role by establishing pre-requisites in selection of the Team Captain and Head Coach. This should include a pre-selection training coarse for the Captain & the Coach which clearly outlines their roles including the need to develop a strong working chemistry with each other. If it does not exist, we have a Moores & KP scenario. Although Moores was behind KP's selection, the chemistry aspect should have been confirmed prior to KP's selection. KP has rigid & inflexible attitude which disqualifies him for Captaincy. Being a world class batsmen alone does not necessarily mean KP has Captaincy credentials. ECB"s responsibility in this failure are evident and we have lesson to learn.

  • POSTED BY Neelaka on | January 18, 2009, 17:34 GMT

    I am not an English Fan, but firmly believe they have the capacity to be a better team and beat Aussies in the Ashes. KP might be a great captain, but he should learn art of being a leader includes compromises. You cant have everything you want, and he does not understand this. I think England is better off without him and though Strauss would be another ordinary captain, would be better than KP. and isn't is funny that England could not find a that was captain born in UK...

  • POSTED BY Rezaul on | January 18, 2009, 19:32 GMT

    I am wondering how people forget the heroics of KP. Just found someone claiming that KP was never there when England needs it. I would request please go and check the record book. There are many matches when KP lead the fight single handed. Remember the recent series in India 5th ODI at Cuttack and 2nd Test at Mohali when KP stood firm and took the team out of danger single handedly scoring stunning centuries in a hostile environment. It will be injustice if anybody questions about KP's commitment. He plays tough and hard, that's how he achieves success. If you want him to be succeeded as captain you have to give him enough space to implement his plans. It will rude and irresponsible if anybody question his integrity! He plays for England and gives 100% in every single moment.

  • POSTED BY SummerofGeorge on | January 18, 2009, 20:18 GMT

    nonsense, KP has batted us out of jams more than anyone in recent times. I love Freddie, but let's be fair, when was the last time he won a test match for England, it's 2005. He takes 3 fers and puts in the hard yards and no-one doubts his decency of commitment, but Strauss is a better choice for captain.

    Cliques be damned, they get well paid, the lot of them and it's time they showed their mettle, i don't care if they all hate each other, there is a job to be done and they haven't been doing it.

    As an England fan the talk is cheap as talk always is, lets win some matches for once and stop harking back to past glories or focusing on inept fiascos as we always seem to.

    Stop looking for the excuse to lose before the coin has been tossed.