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India is England's biggest challenge - Prior

ESPNcricinfo staff

October 23, 2012

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Matt Prior, the England wicketkeeper, believes that winning a Test series against India in India equates to a bigger task than beating Australia away, which England did for the first time in 24 years in 2010-11.

Later this week England depart for a training camp in Dubai before the four-Test tour of India, where they will be seeking a first series win since 1984. In the latest edition of Alison's Tea Break, Prior describes winning on the subcontinent as "the final frontier" for a team who are determined to climb the Test rankings again after losing their No. 1 status to South Africa at home earlier this year.

Prior's contention is perhaps one of the reasons why he was central in attempting to smooth Kevin Pietersen's return to the England set-up ahead of the India series. Prior was one of the senior England players to meet with Pietersen ahead of his return to the Test squad. He was also quick to pick up the phone to Pietersen in the aftermath of the batsman's extraordinary press conference at Headingley when he stated "it's tough being me" in the England dressing room.

"I've seen Kev, we had a good chat or meeting, whatever you want to call it," Prior says. "Obviously I don't want to go into too much detail about what went on in the meeting but the important thing about it is KP playing for England will make England a better team. He is a phenomenal player, we all know that.

"The really important thing is that we are all pulling and moving in the same direction, and whether it be KP, or myself - if one person steps out of line in the other direction, it's tough. Our team ethic and team ethos has been the most important thing in our success over the last couple of years and we want to make sure we look after that and make sure we can get it back to where it was."

Prior explains why he felt compelled to speak to Pietersen after the second Test against South Africa, what he felt it achieved and the extent to which he believes England can recapture the dressing room ethos that he feels has been central to the team's success over the last couple of years.

"To be honest, all the time it was KP having an issue with the ECB, IPL, etc, but the minute he said he had an issue with the dressing room, it suddenly became the players' problem," he says. "I felt the only thing to do was to say 'Right, what are your issues?' Kev will probably admit he did a few things wrong but if one of our senior players is saying he's struggling in the dressing room then it would be wrong of us not to look at it and say, 'Okay what are we doing that's making him feel that way?' So it works a bit both ways."

In the interview, Prior also discusses what makes for a successful and happy dressing room and the importance of trust and respect in a team game, as well as reiterating his desire to get back in the one-day and Twenty20 squads once again for England.

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Posted by A_Vacant_Slip on (October 26, 2012, 18:33 GMT)

@ Front-Foot_lunge on (October 24 2012, 12:22 PM GMT) You are India fan posing as England fan. It is obvious. England fan don't need to compare ourself to Australia - why would we need to? England have won 3 out of last 4 series against Australia - including handsome 3-1 win IN AUSTRALIA. India never have and never will achieve such a feat as this. There is only envy and worry pouring from keyboard of India follower - people like you.

Posted by maddy20 on (October 26, 2012, 17:40 GMT)

@A_Vacant_Slip Look who is talking about whitewashes! In Aus 2007 Eng 5-0, in UAE 3-0 , In Eng nearly another 3-0 but for another of your SA import's rescue act. Atleast we have kept SA at bay with a 1-1 draw at both home and away. England on the other hand, can't win at home, can't win away from home, can't win at all. Beating an aging on the decline India side has made you over confident and guess what you have not won a single test series at home or away(barring WI ofcourse). We on the other hand in the 2 and half year span we were at the top, did not lose a single series at home or away(you can check the stats) and thrashed whoever came here including Aus(2-0 twice). Never mind though. We will complete the whitewash and send you home. Also do you know that England has not won a single ODI in India in the last 11 matches. Hell we won a test series in 2007 in England. When was the last time India won a test series here? Not in Cook's lifetime or your own life time would you see it.

Posted by JG2704 on (October 26, 2012, 9:22 GMT)

@golgoal on (October 24 2012, 21:50 PM GMT) You're right. Most of the Indian posters on here are extremely well balanced and like to give credit where it's due. You'll very rarely find an Indian poster making excuses for defeats , tournament exits or booing when a decision goes against them.

Posted by JG2704 on (October 26, 2012, 9:22 GMT)

@St.John on (October 24 2012, 19:16 PM GMT) Where is Prior moaning about anything.?Very strange comment indeed

Posted by JG2704 on (October 26, 2012, 9:21 GMT)

@R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (October 23 2012, 20:10 PM GMT) Thanks for the compliment mate. A few years ago I had a few issues with my then business partner and (still) best friend and I bottled some issues I had up and it became a horrible working atmosphere between us (just 2 of us working together in a small shop). Eventually it came to a head and we had a blow out and the next day we were fine again. Sometimes it's good to hold back what you say but if the issue keeps eating away at you I found bottling it up the worst solution. Sorry , went past your comment earlier

Posted by CricketFanIndUS on (October 26, 2012, 3:20 GMT)

India are in a precarious position in both batting and bowling. The best test cricket middle order batting of late has been dismantled. This can end up being an important point in test cricket for the country. Replacements for Laxman and Dravid need to be groomed and able pace bowlers need to capture team positions. Too much cricket does not bode well as the team is relatively unchanged in the three formats and is probably not one of the fittest teams. This upcoming series is a great test for the team. The ODI series will be easier for India, but the test series can sting. It is no longer the final frontier, it seems.

Posted by A_Vacant_Slip on (October 25, 2012, 20:58 GMT)

@loudmouth on (October 24 2012, 10:24 AM GMT) rubbish. India got TWO dose of REALITY last year with two consecutive whitewash away from their home. India were incapable to hold onto the Number 1 ranking for more than a few month and anyway they never in their whole history beat SA or Aus outside of India. Talk about swallowing their own hype - India actually thought they were going to go to England and win. Then they went to Australia and thought they wre going to win there! The problem is that the reality and the hype are just way too far apart for India. It seem that India need yet another dose of reality.

Posted by   on (October 25, 2012, 11:03 GMT)

Final Frontier? How about winning in your own country again after the 2-0 pasting you got from South Africa. Again England that they were better than they actually are...This Indian side is not the side it was 5 years ago, its full of new players and aging ones. But even they should beat this over rated England team...

Posted by   on (October 25, 2012, 6:39 GMT)

Tlotoxl on (October 24 2012, 17:50 PM GMT) : England also suffered against Abdur Rehman , which is just a decent bowler. FYI , Ashwin is also a mystery spinner although might not be as reliable as Ajmal but still he can do wonders on SC pitches ,ignore him at your own risk. Swann got 29 wickets against most fragile Pakistan team ever , Indian batsmen are a lot tougher than them.I think Anderson and Finn are very capable bowlers and can do the damage indeed. It's going to be an epic series, very anxiously waiting for it to start.

Posted by g.narsimha on (October 25, 2012, 4:35 GMT)

LANDAL-47 - The reasons for PAK better performance in the last 2 years is they played most of thier cricket at U A E thier FRONTIER ,where as IND in the recent memory fared worse in ENG, AUS those 2 tour dented our reputation as well confidence badly , out side U A E there is nothing for PAK to show THEY EVEN FAILED TO BEAT WI in WI & SL where as IND achieved that feast , irrespective of the hype , i dont believe that this time around IND can white wash ENG , no , if selection blunders committed , than who knows ENG may have good times .

Posted by golgoal on (October 24, 2012, 21:50 GMT)

@Sinhaya Tempers seem to only flare when decisions go in favor of India. When decisions go in favor of other teams, you can see the DRS evangelists go and crawl behind the rocks.There's just far too much jealousy and too many India haters out there - but trust me, India is only going to go from strength to strength while the rest of the world watches with their mouths wide open. And, like GW Bush said "You are either with us, or against us" You decide :-P

Posted by Aadhpranvi on (October 24, 2012, 21:38 GMT)

India is the hot favorite to win the home series, but the team wouldn't have it as easy as the Series against WestIndies and Kiwis. The margin for error would be much smaller against the English, so Dhoni shud be more aggressive than he normally does, especially in team selection and field placements

Posted by blueG on (October 24, 2012, 19:19 GMT)

So Sachin is just an average player according to Helloguy007. What do you need to become a legend 15,000 runs may be!

Posted by St.John on (October 24, 2012, 19:16 GMT)

Here we go again. Another England player moaning about the sub-continent, bla, bla, bla...Its been done before, always immediately before a tour. Cricket is cricket. If you are a professional you should be able to play anywhere. You dont see Indian or other Asian teams moaning about playing in England or calling it the 'final frontier'...

Posted by hellguyoo7 on (October 24, 2012, 18:35 GMT)

I agree with Prior. It is always difficult for any side to face India at home... India may not have legends in the playing 11. But every player has got enough experience in these pitches and conditions. Still the team has Kholi, Gambhir, Irfan and Dhoni. Sachin will also try to get back strongly as its home series.

Posted by Tlotoxl on (October 24, 2012, 17:50 GMT)

There is all this talk of England have trouble against spin- No. Eng have problem against *exceptional* *mystery* spin, Have India got a mystery spinner as good as Ajmal?

I am amazed at the short memory of a lot of the posters here commenting that the fast bowlers would really suffer in India, don't you remember everybody said that about the Ashes a couple of years ago? saying Anderson would be pathetic and would struggle to get 1 wicket... he got 24 at 26, Tremlett got 17@ 25 in only 3 tests and Finn also shone, also Don't forget Swann as well, in UAE and SL he got 29 wickets in 5 tests, he will be *very* difficult to play in India.

As for the Batting Cook Trott and KP are still 3 of the best batsmen in the world, averaging 48, 52 and 75 against SL, Prior is in the form of his life, the only worries I have are the new opener and whether Bell has recovered from his horrendous winter. (he had an OK series against SA)

Posted by warneneverchuck on (October 24, 2012, 17:15 GMT)

Even Raina and yuvraj can cause problems for these ENG batsman

Posted by cricnanda on (October 24, 2012, 17:11 GMT)

Just imagine KP batting with Swann with England needing 50 runs in the 4th innings on a rank turner. Wonder what the conversation will be like? LOL!! India does not have "the" team this time, but beating them on turners needs a monumental effort.

Posted by warneneverchuck on (October 24, 2012, 16:46 GMT)

I feel ENG shud prepare some sporting wickets Wher ball turns a bit so that their batsman can learn at least how to defend turning ball

Posted by warneneverchuck on (October 24, 2012, 16:42 GMT)

India needs to control south african batsman because England batsman don't know how to play spin and will easily give their wickets

Posted by Sinhaya on (October 24, 2012, 16:38 GMT)

@JG2704, England are a great side and just ignore what Lankagod said. Looking forward to an exciting series. But no DRS will mean tempers will flare a lot.

Posted by warneneverchuck on (October 24, 2012, 16:38 GMT)

@rogerunionjack. I feel this club level bowlers r far better than your club level batsman

Posted by   on (October 24, 2012, 16:08 GMT)

The final frontier!. hes making it sound more like Star Trek. The good ship england will need Captain Cook and the Crew be able to play spin bowling much better. Pietersen needs to bat with a brain if he needs to save a game and not attack and look to hit everything in disgust. Bell needs to stay in longer and not serve his wicket on a silver platter when he's just got in and looking set to get a big score. England need to play 5 bowlers but not use Samit Patel as the 5th bowler as his bowling is more suited to ODI cricket. Broad and Besnan need to step up to the plate and take on the number 7 (All rounders position which is desperately needed to be filled) Both Broad and Bresnan have the ability to do it. My team for the 1st test against India would be...

Cook(c) Compton/Root Trott Pietersen Bell Prior(Wkt) Bresnan/Broad Swann Anderson Finn Panesar

Its a long tail but to win the series England will need 5 bowlers.

Posted by   on (October 24, 2012, 15:46 GMT)

i think ashwin will have many wickets in thsi series

Posted by itsthewayuplay on (October 24, 2012, 15:34 GMT)

All this talk of spin and spinning conditions, does Eng realise they are playing an Indian side that struggled against and eventually beat the WI only with the help of some truly shocking umpiring and the absence of DRS. We are a one player team at the moment and that player is Kohli whilst Pujara was promising against NZ, he is inexperienced and it would be unfair to expect too much from him too soon. As for the final frontier if Eng don't win this series then they probably don't deserve to No 1 again any time soon.

Posted by Rajesh_india_1990 on (October 24, 2012, 15:25 GMT)

@snowsnake wow!!rightly said..

Posted by itsthewayuplay on (October 24, 2012, 15:22 GMT)

Let me see if I've got this this right - India has no Kumble Dravid Laxman Ganguly. Zaheer is either unfit or out of form or both, no other pace bowler who would have played much cricket recently, Tendulkar who has done very little of note in tests for the last 3-4 years, Sehwag even more of a liability now than at any point and there are no outstanding spinners. Indian batsmen generally can't play the pace and short ball and England has Finn at 6"7 and Broad 6"5 and a spinner in Swann who took wickets everywhere to help Eng get to no 1, they're playing in winter so heat and humidity is not going to be a deciding factor, they've got KP back who knows the Indian conditions well and scored a double against the same opposition last year in more bowler friendly conditions, Cook who scored 100 on debut and Prior thinks to win in India is going to be a great achievement??? So the India team that beat the mighty WI in the Caribbean last year must surely be one of the greatest sides ever.

Posted by MFraser75 on (October 24, 2012, 15:03 GMT)

Come on Sab0teur : I was responding to comments specifically about England's recent record on SA. You refute that with comments about SA's recent record in England!! Do you think England is some distant frontier for England. Actually England is quite close to England if you check the map. Your second argument was 2004 (the most recent winning result there is for Eng v SA in SA) is too distant to be valid. And immediately proceed to talk about results, and I quote " since SA's return from isolation." . SA's return from isolation was last century you know (ie. even BEFORE 2004)

Posted by subbass on (October 24, 2012, 14:59 GMT)

As usual Inidian fans come on here having a go at England. Well I shall repeat India has NEVER won a series in SA or OZ yep, never, go and check.

Oh and that is from a nation of over 1 billion whereby cricket is the comfortably the dominant sport, with a population that size and that much interest in the game it is laughable to see them where they are in the rankings !

plz publish !

Posted by   on (October 24, 2012, 14:54 GMT)

When steve waugh called india the "final frontier" in 2001,it was understandable because they had beaten all opponents home and away before that series.they had class.they were the reigning world champions.but what has england achieved in the recent years that they are calling this series the "final frontier". they only play well in tailor made home pitches where even ordinary james anderson looks high quality.I mean how can someone think so highly of himself.The truth is even bangladesh can defeat them in the subcontinent.england you still have a long way to go before you call india the final frontier !!!cheers

Posted by Rogerunionjack on (October 24, 2012, 14:50 GMT)

Prior has been over generous, India is by no means the final frontier. And this time we shall put this myth to rest for good. The ECB has done well to schedule the series this winter. India are there for the taking. Out of form openers, a struggling Tendulkar, only Kohli to hold the fort. As for the bowling, even batsmen from the minnows would be lining up to have a go at their club bowlers. All this invincibility of the Indians on home turf is going to come to an end this winter. Our first step to regaing the No. 1 spot starts right here.

Posted by MFraser75 on (October 24, 2012, 14:42 GMT)

Snowsnake....India has never beaten India in India...and never will. So India has never been Number one, and never will be!! Strange logic!

Posted by   on (October 24, 2012, 14:22 GMT)

What is Wrong with England Teams? Why are they going to Dubai for practice when they are going to play in India. If they are serious about winning in India, they better acclimatized to Indian conditions, weather, food, rain everything. If they don't,i am sure this team will feel as home sick as many of their previous teams did and they will surely get a drubbing even from a re-building Indian Test team. This is the best Chance England has got (Which is in the peak of their Form - Great batters and bowling) to beat India in India. Indian middle order is very new, Sachin in ever in the fag end of his career, Gambhir and Sehwag in pathetic form. Zak has'nt taken a five-for in a long time.

Posted by   on (October 24, 2012, 14:20 GMT)

prior this xmas u never celebrate in india bcoz they will destroy u

Posted by CrICkeeet on (October 24, 2012, 14:18 GMT)

As a nutral fan i'm in DOUBT- WILL any test has a result in dis series? I HOPE ALL THE TEST WILL B BOARING DRAWN...BCZ OF THE FAMOUS (!) INDIAN WICKET! A lot of runs 4m both team batsmen caused 4 an irritating nd DISGUSTING test series...

Posted by yogesh.gg on (October 24, 2012, 13:59 GMT)

alikhan224 on (October 24 2012, 07:22 AM GMT) : While i respect Ajmal the great , and agree pakistan had better attack than India , but still ashwin and ojha are better than SL bowlers , against whom English players struggled quite a bit. Moreover we have Zaheer and umesh who make better attack than SL plus our batting which is definitely better than SL or PAK. I think it will be a very good series but it will be too much for English side to win even a single match.

Posted by SnowSnake on (October 24, 2012, 13:53 GMT)

No team is true #1 until it beats India in India in a test series.

Posted by yogesh.gg on (October 24, 2012, 13:49 GMT)

WickyRoy.paklover on (October 24 2012, 06:50 AM GMT) : What's done , is done so blaming misbah for all failures would not be fair i believe. I am perplexed at your understanding that pakistan is better , even when pakistan has lost most of its matches lately , be it t20's or odis. As Rajesh has already pointed out , there's no way we can conclude pakistan is better.cricinfo pls publish.

Posted by Rajesh_india_1990 on (October 24, 2012, 13:31 GMT)

@wickyroypaklover what? you are better than us in tests?lol..take the last 4 years from 2007..apart from the two whitewashes india won the series in newzland,westindies,england(in 2007)(even we thrashed you in 2006 in your home if i am right) and we draw series in southafrica,srilanka..only we did not won or draw series in australia in the last 4 years...not even talk about home performances.. india are undefeated at home except one series where SA draw with india.....can you tell me how pakistan is better than india in tests in last four years?cricinfo why you did not publish my comment always?

Posted by   on (October 24, 2012, 13:26 GMT)

It will be not be a sweet Christmas for England ,, may god help poms in India this winter

Posted by Sab0teur on (October 24, 2012, 13:13 GMT)

Oh come on @MFraser75!! Are you talking about the England win in SA in 2004!!?? Well, there were exactly zero players from that final test that are part of the current England crop! Furthermore that is Englands only win in SA since SA's return from isolation. SA have knocked over England twice in their back yard in the last 5 years!! Why don't we regale stories about the 66 world cup while we are at it shall we!! No, I am afraid this current England team have more than the India frontier to overcome to create any kind of legacy worth noting.

Posted by   on (October 24, 2012, 13:06 GMT)

key for the series is sehwag if he gets going india has more edge

Posted by Team_Eleven on (October 24, 2012, 12:45 GMT)

Look who is talking! England team could not win a test against SA. Not sure how Mr.Prior can call this trip as final frontier when they were whitewashed by Pakistan in UAE. There is a valid reason when Steve Waugh called India as final frontier as the same Australia beat Pakistan 3-0 in UAE, though its after 2001. Let England prove that they are world beaters by beating all sub continental teams in their own backyards.

Posted by imransangdil on (October 24, 2012, 12:35 GMT)

LOL!! Final Frontier!! Funny really. England think they are in the same class as steve waugh's team or the windies of 80's, they nowhere near and making a mockery of themselves with comments like these.

Posted by anshu.s on (October 24, 2012, 12:31 GMT)

This upcoming series can be a classic case of hiding to nothing for India because if they beat England doubters,bashers will say what's the big deal beating England at home, they will further add that India should win overseas to win respect even grudging one.But if India lose then bashers will have a field day saying we can't even win at home !! We should avoid making rank turners it can be couterproductive because if we lose the toss then batting last against Swaan and Panesar can be problematic without Dravid and Lax.

Posted by trueanalyst on (October 24, 2012, 12:24 GMT)

@the_ashes,Yes your bowlers are greater than Shane Warne & Muthiah Muralidaran & We Indians are shaking in our boots seeing them

Posted by Front-Foot_lunge on (October 24, 2012, 12:22 GMT)

Loudmouth, I couldn't have said it better myself! The only way we'll improve is if we face up to our substandard performances and stop comparing ourselves to Australia.

Posted by haq33 on (October 24, 2012, 12:16 GMT)

As a citizen of the neutral zone, i can only comment that England's away team needs to hit warp speed in terms of footwork to dodge those incoming photons from the Indian spin attack. No doubt the groundsmen will prepare dry tracks and ash and ojha will get plenty of balls to klingon and turn. But if they can learn to remodulate their energy levels when facing spin and resist the impulse to detach their brains from their main hulls, the English may be able to turn defence into attack and launch the spinners at an appropriate trajectory.....the only thing that could then conceivably throw a spanner in the warp core is the dreaded Delta-quadrant belly.

Posted by Front-Foot-Lunge on (October 24, 2012, 12:03 GMT)

'It's the final frontier' - Well it is considering England have WON everywhere else. Just ask the Indians, Australians et all. Whitewashes are things fans of these teams like to forget. :)

Posted by   on (October 24, 2012, 11:58 GMT)

england has no chance......india will clean sweep them....dhoni will lead india to a series win...

Posted by   on (October 24, 2012, 11:42 GMT)

well mark my words.. England batters didn't survive 4 overs spin attack in t-20 world cup in srilanka then how can they survive 10 to 15 overs spell of Indian spinners in mighty ugly turning tracks...4-0. For Sure even whitewash in one day format also....

Posted by sachin_vvsfan on (October 24, 2012, 11:40 GMT)

@Hammond Sorry mate The mighty Aussies won it only once in the last 35 years (if am correct ). Due respect to ENG but they are no where near to the strong Aus side of 90s-or 2k. SA has better record than AUS in india for the last decade. I think they won once but had drawn many. But for Eng its thumbs down. It wont be 4-0 for india because even we are rebuilding . Guess it will be 2-0 (mainly due to KP factor. He saved couple of matches last time in india)

Posted by ashup on (October 24, 2012, 11:38 GMT)

Seriously ??..you must be kidding Mr Prior..you just lost a series at home .

Posted by Akshita29 on (October 24, 2012, 11:36 GMT)

Matches are going to be played in winter . There will be early morning dew for sure . The ball will swing a little bit at least for one hour every morning . England bowlers have to exploit that to maximum ........

Posted by sachin_vvsfan on (October 24, 2012, 11:31 GMT)

@andrew-schulz "Australia did conquer the final frontier in India with an absolute belting in 2004". Mate Its not absolute belting . Chennai game (washed out)was pretty much ours. we needed 200 odd and sehwag could have seen us through just like he did it in first innings. And that Nagpur's green top wasn't what we wanted(which made ganguly boycott that match). If 2-1 victory away is an absolute belting then IND almost achieved it in 2004 Aus series where Bucknor ensured a decent farewell for steve waugh (who btw was not part of the final frontier)

Posted by Rastus on (October 24, 2012, 10:42 GMT)

Like Captain Kirk said "Space, the final frontier", there was no mention of India.

I imagine England will lose the series as their batsmen have shown repeatedly that they are awful against decent spinners in spinning conditions.

Posted by Hammond on (October 24, 2012, 10:40 GMT)

I think they can actually do it! On paper the England team is much stronger and if the home advantage is nullified by some clever batting (and some Swann genius) then I am actually putting money that England will sneak this series.

Posted by MFraser75 on (October 24, 2012, 10:39 GMT)

Loudmouth (I agree), and Perplexed (Perplexing I think):

What are you talking about regarding England having to beat SA in SA first!!! You do realize which team was the last to win a Eng vs SA test series in SA? Here is a hint...it wasn't SA.

Posted by loudmouth on (October 24, 2012, 10:24 GMT)

Haha! Final Frontier! Brilliant. OK they beat a flagging Aussie team in Australia but really Prior and co first need to beat SA at home and away then beat Pakistan in the UAE and hold onto the Number 1 ranking for more than a few months. A series win in Sri Lanka might not go astray either.... Talk about swallowing their own hype. This England team need a dose of reality.

Posted by nilesh91 on (October 24, 2012, 10:15 GMT)

@ Nagaraju Pallasetty: do you really considering Vijay for Test? He has already played 10 TEST thanks to Shrikant, Don't you think RAHANE deserve at least 5 Test?

Posted by stormy16 on (October 24, 2012, 10:13 GMT)

India may be the final frontier but Eng lost to Pakistan away and SA at home and couldnt beat a chaotic SL away. KP will be a key I feel for success in this series for Eng - he is the one guy who could threaten the Indian spinners.

Posted by JG2704 on (October 24, 2012, 10:06 GMT)

@Wishwaajeet Singh on (October 24 2012, 01:33 AM GMT) Re "and leave Finn no other bowler is decent enough to deserve wickets in subcontinent" - Finn played no tests in UAE and just 1 test in SL where he took 2 or 3 wickets if memory serves me right. Wickets was not our biggest problem in UAE/SL

Posted by JG2704 on (October 24, 2012, 10:05 GMT)

@Last_ride on (October 24 2012, 04:06 AM GMT) Please look at the number of commentors who say it will be a cakewalk for England and balance it out with those (Eng fans - never mind the non Eng fans who say India will thrash us) who are saying it will be a very tough ask.

Posted by JG2704 on (October 24, 2012, 10:05 GMT)

@satish619chandar on (October 24 2012, 04:55 AM GMT) Balanced post as per usual there. The Final Frontier term is used because Eng have not won a test series in India for such a long time although you are right in that the last few test visits to India were 0-1 and 1-1 so those stating that we get thrashed everytime we visit are way off the mark. I'd still make India favourites and if there is a thrashing one way or the other it will go to the home side. Both sides are in some sort of transition and it will be interesting to see if India have been at all affected by their overseas test form and if Eng are affected by their 1st home defeat for several years. I'm interested to see if Cook has his own ideas or if he is just a Strauss/Flower clone.

Posted by JG2704 on (October 24, 2012, 10:05 GMT)

@Ian Levinson on (October 24 2012, 05:35 AM GMT) Probably a tough one for you to understand , but England won in SA about 6 or 7 years ago and have beaten SA at home within the last decade or so - so the point Prior is making is that England haven't won in India for such a long time compared to other places.

Posted by JG2704 on (October 24, 2012, 9:32 GMT)

. I'm sure some people on here could start an argument in an empty room. Re Final Frontier - Matt is fully acknowledging the task ahead of them and that they have not won in India for such a long time. He's not talking about himself but where his team have had the least success in recent history and it is the country where we have gone the longest without winning.

Posted by Baber_Baloch on (October 24, 2012, 8:54 GMT)

England can turn the game but now they missed STRUSS...he was big innings ,s player.

Posted by   on (October 24, 2012, 7:52 GMT)

India can be in rebuilding phase but we have kohli who has established himself as one of the best and seeing the way sachin spoke i think this 'may' be his last series.. pujara has established himself and we all know how talented he is. surely they ll miss dravid and laxman but not very much as the whole nation wants this series to be won by india and am damn sure alll the pitches in india are gonna turn very big to make england un comfortable.. kp will be a huge bonus for england but the fact is he scores only once or twice in a series and then ordinary innings only.. cook will have extra pressure and zaheer can be worse in t20s.. but still he is the best in tests.. we have ojha and ashwin.. the only way englnd can win atleast one match is they have to play extreme fast bowlers like finn.. but they have him alone.. so except finn there in no thereat for indian batting and including yuvi everyone is threat for england batting... india will win the seies 3-0..

Posted by ShanTheFanOfSachin on (October 24, 2012, 7:47 GMT)

Winning in the subcontinent, i.e. in PAK,SL and IND is of course the final frontier any team wanting to claim dominance of world cricket. But Engaldn haven't even reached that level unlike AUS of few years ago.. AUS came to India after winning in PAK and SL, they lost in India under Waugh but won under Gilly.

ENG are nowhere near that level, they have been fairly badly beaten most of their visits to the subcontinent. More over they just lost the home series to SA.

This is not the final frontier for ENG, it just a new beginning, they have to start all over again

Posted by alikhan224 on (October 24, 2012, 7:22 GMT)

@ ali_78694...please dude correct urself first...pakistan beat them 3-0, not 4-0..and secondly pakistan beat them just coz pakistan had saeed ajmal...india doesnt have class a world class spinner like ajmal, so they will have to make dead spinning pitches, otherwise if there is even a bit of grass on any of the pitches, Eng will easily win it...in my view eng taking the series 2-1, winning mumbai and nagpur tests, india winning kolkata test while as always ahmedabad test ending in a boring high scoring draw.

Posted by Perplexed on (October 24, 2012, 7:10 GMT)

You can start to talk about the final frontier when you have conquered all else and England is certainly nowehere near that. Just ask Graeme Smith.

Posted by Zuhaira on (October 24, 2012, 7:04 GMT)

the result won't be any different to the UAE series. Ashwin and Ojha will easily handle the Englishmen. 3-0 India.

Posted by   on (October 24, 2012, 7:02 GMT)

my starting eleven for England series will be 1.Gauti 2.Vijay 3.pujara 4.Sachin 5.Kohli 6.Badrinath 7.Dhoni(c and wk) 8.Ashwin 9.ojha or rahul sharma 10.Zaheer 11.Ishant/umesh

Posted by Kaare on (October 24, 2012, 7:01 GMT)

Final frontier? How about first not losing a series and the number 1 ranking at home?

Posted by WickyRoy.paklover on (October 24, 2012, 6:50 GMT)

@Yugesh gupta,wel i won't argue on head to head record bcoz if we can stretch this to a decade ago then we can also take into considration the ovrall head to head in which pak leads by quite a long way even though pak z slightly below par as an odi team primarily bcoz of misbha's policies.COMING TO MAIN POINT i think PAK z obviously A BETTER TEAM THAN INDIA IN TESTS,T20s ESPECIALY 4 LAST MORE THAN 1 YEAR OR SO

Posted by rahulcricket007 on (October 24, 2012, 6:39 GMT)


Posted by   on (October 24, 2012, 6:24 GMT)

The presence of Kevin Peiterson will certainly boost England's Chances. To me the head off between Ojha and Peiterson will be the deciding factor of the series. After Watching Peiterson play against Abdur Rahman of Pakistan. Prior can be usefull down the order.

Posted by   on (October 24, 2012, 5:36 GMT)

@Inside Hedge: "Space,the final frontier" was in Star Trek and not Star Wars, mate!!

Posted by   on (October 24, 2012, 5:35 GMT)

prior you are a funny guy just like your buddy warne, when you beat south africa in your own backyard then maybe you can talk about final frontiers, like I said you are a funny man

Posted by satish619chandar on (October 24, 2012, 4:55 GMT)

I strongly believe that England are far from using the term "Final Frontier". It surely isn;t winning one test because England won one test in Mumbai in last decade and if winning in India is the "Final Frontier", they have already done it. They drew some of their last few away tours except for Ashes in Australia. I am not sure on what basis it will become a "Final frontier" for the England team. Anyways, all the best England team and Prior. India is not in best of form these days with their bowlers in bad form(though spinners did succeed in favorable conditions) and the seniors are in worst possible form in the batting department. The big chance England can have would be to utilise the weakness of the seniors and put pressure on the youngsters in the squad.

Posted by   on (October 24, 2012, 4:44 GMT)

discipline and regular practice win matches

Posted by sweetspot on (October 24, 2012, 4:16 GMT)

The first thing England will have to do is dent India's confidence, in order to beat them. Indian batsmen, even the less experienced ones, will look at English bowlers as opportunities to score runs and set records, not as threats, while playing in conditions they have grown up on. India need not even prepare big turning tracks. Apart from the express speed of Finn, Bresnan, Broad and Anderson will mostly just be fodder till the ball wears out and then Swann will provide some genuine quality spin, by which time India will have a decent start with a couple of set batsmen hungry to score big.

Without a doubt, India will use its up and coming duo Ashwin and Ojha, to the maximum, but a fit Ishant and Umesh Yadav can support them very well. The recall of KP is an indicator of a bit of worry for England. MSD would have noticed and he will pounce quietly, without any talk.

Posted by Last_ride on (October 24, 2012, 4:06 GMT)

Haha me being a saffer all i can say is winning in India is extremely Difficult.England Fans talk about it being a cake walk hehe. Only South Africa have been consistent in the sub continent.All India need to do is have a word with a certain Hashim Amla.He knows everything about batting against England.Then surely India would be favorites.Go South Africa(i dont know why i say that in an India vs England series)

Posted by   on (October 24, 2012, 3:34 GMT)

@landl47 : The last 2 times England have toured India they've been whitewashed in ODI's and besides, who cares about ODI and T20 series anyway, India are already 2 time and current world champs in ODI's whereas England haven't won even once and not enough T20's are played between national teams outside of world cups for them to be taken seriously. Tests series are the only bilateral series that matter. As for Pakistan being a better team than India, that might be true in conditions outside the subcontinent but in the subcontinent they're both just as strong, if anything India is slightly stronger. Pakistan are certainly the better bowling team but in the subcontinent India's batting is vastly better and their bowling is not as poor as it is outside Asia.

Posted by Meety on (October 24, 2012, 3:34 GMT)

@andrew-schulz on (October 24 2012, 02:02 AM GMT) - well if you put it like that! That's a pretty comprehensive right hook to Prior - LOL!

Posted by   on (October 24, 2012, 3:28 GMT)

With respect to India and its impeccable record on their home soil i think if Eng can play confident cricket then they have a real chance of creating history . Indian spinners are not that much experienced and Sachin the gr8 is in worse form of his life Dhoni is under immence pressure as test captain .Zaheer is over age to play as test bowler . Wall and Laxman has retired . Sehwag and Gambhir are also going thru extremely lean patch . The only 2 plusses are Kohli and Pujara . If they can keep those two quiet den they have a chance but still they shud play Finn Broad to have some say still their poor record and poor spin technique make india fav .

Posted by   on (October 24, 2012, 3:28 GMT)

Note that England no longer have Andrew Strauss, he had been doing well against India in recent times prior to his retirement. I remember him getting a century against India in the world cup and drawing a game in which India posted a total of 300+ and then he played a few valuable innings against India in last year's series so his absence will make a significant difference. Also England bowlers like Anderson have very poor stats in India, bowlers like Finn and Bresnan will still be dangerous but overall much of England's strengths will be negated.

Posted by   on (October 24, 2012, 3:27 GMT)

@landl47 : Just so that you know , in last 10 years India has won 19 ODI and lost 17 against pakistan whereas in Tests , India have won 4 matches, drawn 5 and lost 3. How does that make Pakistan a better cricket team ? I believe they both are on par. cricinfo pls pls publish nothing personal.

Posted by   on (October 24, 2012, 3:21 GMT)

I've always felt that the reason England won so convincingly last year against India was more due to the Indian batsmens' inability to play on bouncy swinging conditions than due to England's brilliance. I mean the same Indian team went on to lose 4-0 to Australia as well who at the time were not as strong a team as England. In the subcontinent however the Indian batsmen will come into their own whereas most of the England batsmen have struggled against spin although India's current spinners are very ordinary. I expect India to win the test series but certainly not whitewash England, probably by a 2-1 scoreline. The last two times England have played ODI series in India they've been whitewashed 5-0 so I expect India to win that series as well. However i think India will lose the T20 series because quite frankly India are a terrible T20 team.

Posted by   on (October 24, 2012, 3:19 GMT)

Matty, England can win one test at best in India!! Forget about winning the series seriously ;)

Posted by Greatest_Game on (October 24, 2012, 2:54 GMT)

England's batsmen failed against Pakistan - they were clueless against spin. England's bowlers failed against SA - they were unable to take the wickets of well set batsmen. Their batting is still weak against spin - nothing new there - and their order remains unsettled, both opening & at number 6. Their bowling lacks penetration even at home, & persisting with the pampered trio - Anderson, Broad, Swann - will take them nowhere. (Why they ignore Onions & continue with Broad is unfathomable.) If India's experienced batsmen get set on a flat track & provide a platform for their young guns, Eng's current 'ineffective even at home' bowlers will be plundered, and Eng's fragile batting cannot be expected to compete. If Prior does not post solid scores, and Bairstow plays to his potential, at the end of the day Prior's biggest challenge may simply be keeping his place in the England Test X1.

Posted by samincolumbia on (October 24, 2012, 2:33 GMT)

Is it possible that Prior thinks that England is still #1? The english fans here most certainly do!

Posted by subbass on (October 24, 2012, 2:24 GMT)

Prior is correct to say the 'final frontier'. In recent times India is the ONLY place they have not won. It's not a word that can be only used by truly great teams. As I said, India has NEVER won a series in SA or OZ, that's right NEVER. Even England have won in India, albeit the last time was in the 1980's.

What a silly overreaction to his words by some on here.

Posted by andrew-schulz on (October 24, 2012, 2:12 GMT)

Inside hedge, Australia did conquer the final frontier in India with an absolute belting in 2004. West Indies never got to the same point. Their final frontier was New Zealand, which they did not conquer until 1995, by which time they had failed to beat Sri Lanka, Pakistan, Ana India away.

Posted by andrew-schulz on (October 24, 2012, 2:02 GMT)

If he hasn't been misquoted, he is a fool. Final frontier? England haven't looked like winning in West Indies, South Africa, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, India, or Zimbabwe at their last start. They were most unimpressive in winning in New Zealand and Bangladesh, and have lost five of their last six series in Australia. Mark my words- England will never get close to a point where they can talk about a final frontier.

Posted by   on (October 24, 2012, 1:33 GMT)

Both England and India overrate themselves. For India, Gautam, Sehwag, Sachin, Zaheer are in awful form. Kohli, Pujara are new to test cricket. Dhoni does not fit in Indian Test side. Ojha lacks variations and Ashwin is mediocre. For England apart from Cook, Peterson and to a lesser extent i do not see anyone scoring runs and leave Finn no other bowler is decent enough to deserve wickets in subcontinent.

Posted by The_Ashes on (October 24, 2012, 0:59 GMT)

This will be a walk in the park for England mark my words :D

Posted by The_Ashes on (October 24, 2012, 0:58 GMT)

England will win this series with ease 4-0 just like they did in England a few years back common sense. Its obvious England will use 3 spin bowlers Swann, Samit and Monty Panesar and this combination is far more effective compared to Ravvidfran Ashwin and Ooja :) :P

Posted by landl47 on (October 24, 2012, 0:24 GMT)

A lot of people seem to have forgotten that Engand played 10 international games against Pakistan in the three formats this year and won 6 of them. Once England got the pace of the pitches and a few games under their belt, they whitewashed Pakistan 4-0 in the ODIs and won the T20s 2-1. Even in the tests they should have won two out of the three, although they went in very underprepared. They are going to India with a lot more recent practice under their belts. India will of course be tough at home, but this isn't the Indian side of 4 years ago. @Laeeq Hashmi: when you say 'England couldn't even beat Pakistan' you make it sound as though India is a better side than Pakistan. Haven't you watched any cricket for the last two years? Pakistan is a way better side than India.

Posted by   on (October 24, 2012, 0:19 GMT)

Sangakara & Dhoni are the best wicket keeper batsmen at the moment not prior he is good player but not at their class

Posted by nthuq on (October 23, 2012, 23:37 GMT)

My respect for Matt Prior grows. These are some good, respectful statements from the best keeper-batsman around right now.

Posted by   on (October 23, 2012, 23:33 GMT)

England couldn't even beat Pakistan last year in UAE in presence of KP so how come they can beat India in India ?

Posted by Gizza on (October 23, 2012, 23:31 GMT)

One step at a time mate. You have to first build a fortress at home before you cross any frontiers. The term is apt when a team beats everyone home and away like Waugh's Australians (and that too nearly all whitewashes) except for one. Even though they never used the term, the 80's West Indies could have called their battles against Khan's Pakistan a final frontier of sorts too. Well I suppose "subcontinent" is more broad but England's most recent tours of South Africa and West Indies likewise did not result in Test victory. So that's three frontiers at the very least.

Posted by kalyanbk on (October 23, 2012, 23:20 GMT)

Finn is a good bowler. Anderson and Broad may not be effective in India. A lot rides on Kohli's shoulders as everyone else is out of form. India should take a punt and play 5 batsmen, Dhoni or Karthik, two all rounders (Ashwin and Irfan) and 3 specialist bowlers. I think they should take a punt with Balaji as he is a wicket taker along with Praveen Kumar and Dinda with Ojha being the other spinner. Time to leave aged heroes behind and bring in Yuvraj at 4 (good against England, just got a double hundred) and use Rahane to open.

Posted by amitgarg78 on (October 23, 2012, 23:13 GMT)

Prior does deserve the respect for accepting that "it works both ways". Over the last couple of months, KP has been vilified by all while few have questioned the role others hv played. Some like bell hv claimed complete ignorance, while sm like Hussain said a few in team couldn't stand KP. Prior through his efforts at reconciliation has indeed emerged with reputation enhanced.

However, Team ethos alone didn't win the matches for them. Talent, hard work and a gradual decline in other teams contributed. It also helped that most games were played in their own backyard. If India play well, it will be an interesting series ahead...

Posted by aby_prasad on (October 23, 2012, 23:03 GMT)

@hhillbumper, yorkshirematt ,jg and other england fans,...since hillbumper put it that way., i feel i hav to say, didnt mean to offend u.,or sound proud! Like i always say, india has diff kinds of fans, a huge range.,cant judge em under one category.Any fanatic writes an unacceptable comment, well then everyone else including me n u jump the bandwagon thats all! But i know for a fact sl fans do lov some indian players,we absolutely love some of theirs, and both of us lov some gr8 pak players too!, same with pakistanis,... we all love the gr8 players evn if they r not from our country. But just that sometimes wn someone crazy starts something, we all have a go at each other :P.Good luck with the frontier then, we luv to see kp and others, wish flintoff was playing still! Respects to England then,hope u dont judge ,its a request. not all of us are arrogant,though I agree...some are! :)

Posted by   on (October 23, 2012, 22:20 GMT)

Problem with England is they overate themselves,

Posted by PACERONE on (October 23, 2012, 21:47 GMT)

All that India has to do is prepare spinning wickets and make certain that they have a left arm spinner that is accurate.Yurav might fit the bill.Bowl spinners in short spells so they are ready when a new batsman comes in.England can continue to pretend they are a good team..they are not.

Posted by Sachin_the_god_forever on (October 23, 2012, 21:42 GMT)

@For those saying 4-0 in favour of india,its more or less not going to happen..india is in rebuilding phase with sachin,viru,gambhir are not in good form..it will be a good competitive series..i think anything can happen in this series starting with india as favourites..

Posted by yorkshirematt on (October 23, 2012, 21:20 GMT)

@hhillbumper Where've you been?!!! Obviously not reading the comments section of any story remotely to do with England! But yes, they most certainly do

Posted by spence1324 on (October 23, 2012, 21:16 GMT)

@CTP MEANSTER if india are so uninterested then I hope england can play ireland of afganstian instead these are real men and not just bollywood allstars!

Posted by aby_prasad on (October 23, 2012, 21:06 GMT)

heh heh final frontier, who u trying to emulate, steve waugh!! ??? nice try! u have to earn that eligibility to say 'final frontier'. , not even my fav team india or ponting or england have it in them or earned to say such a line! only the legendary Steve Waugh and before him the gr8 WI team of the 80s (they went one step ahead, they conquered all frontiers!). But other than Waugh, puhlease prior, really! ? Try this, final frontier 1 Asia, final frontier 2 World. But yea england like someone said here, have played good test cricket but for since a year or so, not so good , nop.

Posted by JG2704 on (October 23, 2012, 20:52 GMT)

@LankaGod on (October 23 2012, 17:37 PM GMT) If you're implying that England are SL's favourite whipping boys you are correct - you whipped us 1-1 earlier in the year

Posted by JG2704 on (October 23, 2012, 20:52 GMT)

@maximum6 on (October 23 2012, 19:39 PM GMT) While I disagreed with most of your comms re the KP debacle which is hopefully now dead and buried , I agree with your approach re this series and I do feel our mindset was extremely negative in most of the tests in 2012 in tests , both selectionwise and in terms of how we went about playing the game. I just wonder - with the weight of expectation off our shoulders - if we can play with more freedom. I just wonder if it's coincidence that after the UAE test series when we had hit rock bottom we came back well in the shorter formats , because there was no pressure/expectancy. I also hope Bell learns to be more aggressive as he is a far better player when he plays with freedom

Posted by   on (October 23, 2012, 20:40 GMT)

So what Prior is saying is that winning in India would be the ultimate achievement for England, which many rational people would suggest is giving Indian cricket the highest praise, and yet this is somehow perceived as "arrogant". By the way, ali_78694, England were very poor in the UAE but they weren't so bad to lose a 3 match series 4-0! Sounds a bit "arrogant" to me...

Posted by   on (October 23, 2012, 20:14 GMT)

Pretty rich for this member of an English team that was recently whipped abroad and then at home to say this. One thing for Waugh and his team to say in 2001 - India literally was a final frontier, and one they could not scale that time around.

Here is a prediction: The wickets will turn, the English will be sluggish on their feet, and revenge will be extracted. And all this rubbish talk of a final frontier' will be shown for what it really is. Blather.

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (October 23, 2012, 20:10 GMT)

@JG2704 (post on October 23 2012, 17:05 PM GMT): I never would have thought you bottled anything up... I thought you wrote everything here on Cricinfo! ;-P As your post was the only one here worth reading, please do keep it up though!

Posted by StatisticsRocks on (October 23, 2012, 20:01 GMT)

Final frontier against India in India and lets not generalize it as Eng have no chance of beating PAK anywhere except at home. However, Eng have the best chance of winning against India because this Indian side is by-far the weakest Indian side in the last decade (both bowling and batting wise, especially at home). This is further manifested by the absence of the gr8's like Dravid and LAX. Obvious concern is the temparament of the current players including senior players like Gambhir, Sehwag to play the 5-day version of the game after having played so many t20 cricket. Most of the senior players in the current team lack the discipline they once had. ZAK is not the bowler he was once and India do not have that spinner who could bamboozle the opnonent like Kumble used to do. Ashwin is average talent. SRT is only prolonging the inevitable which is fine with me but, that means a young talent spends more time on the bench rather than helping to build the future.

Posted by Tlotoxl on (October 23, 2012, 19:54 GMT)

@samincolumbia: in the last 13 series England have won 9 drew 2 and lost 2.

Is that a good record or a bad one?

Who in world cricket has a better record? SA in the same time period have won played 10 won 4 drawn 5 and lost 1.

If England go and win in India - and they did get better with every single test last winter - then they still have a very solid claim to being no 1.

Posted by 2.14istherunrate on (October 23, 2012, 19:39 GMT)

Obviously what has happened in 2012 has really been like earning Lead when most of the rest of English sport has been golden, but this is an opportunity to put it right and not to be eclipsed by the likes of the Olympians.To be fair we have had two 'practice'series in UAE and SL first and while we have not taken the field we can been optimistically to the ODI results in UAE. Moreover Saeed Ajmal would be more like the big test rather than practice for it as India's spinners are good but not that good. And the last 4 test series in India was the last one we won under Gower. And of course KP is going. I think a lot depends on getting the Indian spinners worked out early and developing agressive strategies with the bat. Moreover we need to be happy to attack in the field and not set defensive fields too early. Prior himself is pivotal and needs to set out to make 300 runs or more. We backed down v SA and looked like idiot we must do the opposite and make India seem the fools.

Posted by the_blue_android on (October 23, 2012, 19:35 GMT)

Looks like England has quite a few final frontiers. UAE, home and India etc..

Posted by samincolumbia on (October 23, 2012, 19:27 GMT)

@Ali - England got whitewashed by Pakistan in UAE and then got thrashed again by SA in their own backyard. The problem with the english players (and their fans) is that they think they are always the legitimate #1 team in the world, even when they are continually being thrashed or unexpectedly win a series once every 10 or 20 years!!

Posted by   on (October 23, 2012, 18:54 GMT)

Very arrogant to call sub-continent as final frontier after loosing at home. Also, sub-continent is made up of four contries....and record is varied against different countries...I guess cricketers should be clear when they call it final frontier...its actually against India and not against Bangladesh, srilanka and Pakistan....its the same thing as saying.....south-africa, England, Kiwi and Australia is final frontier for India....rubbish....

Posted by   on (October 23, 2012, 18:50 GMT)

Are they going on an expedition, I thought it was for a cricket series!

Posted by ali_78694 on (October 23, 2012, 18:48 GMT)

Seems Mr Prior Forgot what happened with then whem they toured to UAE to play test series against Pakistan. They were Thrased 4 - 0. If Pak can do it India is a much better team and at home they're Invincible. Time for Venegance

Posted by   on (October 23, 2012, 18:21 GMT)

we are wating for you matt,,,its good test for indian side also new faces we have and sachin viru and gauti is not in good touch

Posted by Cpt.Meanster on (October 23, 2012, 18:18 GMT)

I think Prior wants to grab some headlines with such comments. First of all, his team needs to learn to win at home against good oppositions before even calling India as 'final frontier'. Barring the 4-0 defeat of a tired, and uninterested Indian team, England haven't done anything of substance the last 14 months. A good performance in India would be a step in the right direction.

Posted by   on (October 23, 2012, 18:14 GMT)

If India is the "biggest challenge", then the fact that they utterly failed to overcome what must necessarily have been a smaller challenge (South Africa) cannot be an encouraging sign.

Posted by   on (October 23, 2012, 17:51 GMT)

With respect to India and its impeccable record on their home soil i think if Eng can play confident cricket then they have a real chance of creating history . Indian spinners are not that much experienced and Sachin the gr8 is in worse form of his life Dhoni is under immence pressure as test captain .Zaheer is over age to play as test bowler . Wall and Laxman has retired . Sehwag and Gambhir are also going thru extremely lean patch . The only 2 plusses are Kohli and Pujara . If they can keep those two quiet den they have a chance but still they shud play Finn Broad to have some say still their poor record and poor spin technique make india fav .

Posted by   on (October 23, 2012, 17:49 GMT)

"Final frontier"? Harder than beating Australia away? How about they try and win at home 1st?

Posted by   on (October 23, 2012, 17:46 GMT)

I'd never have picked Prior for England in the first place; but pretty much everything he's done as the man in possession, on and off the field, leads me to admire him a lot as a cricketer and a person.

Posted by whatawicket on (October 23, 2012, 17:45 GMT)

arvind perhaps that should have been india in australia as england have won everywhere else unlike india.

Posted by prashnottz on (October 23, 2012, 17:42 GMT)

Prior personally has never been part of a team that won a series in India, SL, Pak (ok understandable), WI and NZ. In other words he has won away only in SA and Aus and yet considers India as a final frontier. One can understand when Steve Waugh, who was coming off a record 16 consecutive wins and having won pretty much everywhere in the world making a statement like that. Heck, England couldnt even win at home against SA or in neutral conditions against Pakistan.

Posted by whatawicket on (October 23, 2012, 17:42 GMT)

does no other country have anything to say all we have is england, talk about overkill

Posted by LankaGod on (October 23, 2012, 17:37 GMT)

Yes, get humiliated by Pakistan first, then get thrashed by India... Sri Lanka along with other subcontinent teams awaits our favourite whipping boys... mouth watering prospect really!

Posted by ThePieChucker on (October 23, 2012, 17:33 GMT)

@Arvind Pai: I don't see why you would take exception to his remark. Prior calling India the final frontier, as Steve Waugh did before him, is a mark of respect and an understanding of the monumental task before England. What difference does it make that England just lost at home to the Saffas?

Posted by mukesh_LOVE.cricket on (October 23, 2012, 17:30 GMT)

eagerly looking forward for the return of KP , performance of Virat kohli (can already see a bit of ricky ponting in him) and of course the future of the one and only Sachin tendulkar.

Posted by prashnottz on (October 23, 2012, 17:28 GMT)

Bang on the nailhead @Arvind

Posted by   on (October 23, 2012, 17:27 GMT)

@ Arvind Right isn't it!!

Posted by InsideHedge on (October 23, 2012, 17:11 GMT)

We all know what happened when Steve Waugh coined the "Final Frontier" phrase, or rather lifted it from "Star Wars"...a series loss in India, albeit a truly GREAT series. I wouldn't mind another repeat. Same result, please.

Posted by samincolumbia on (October 23, 2012, 17:11 GMT)

So, England beat Australia in Australia after 24 years, but yet to beat India in India in 28 years!! And the poms accuse Indian fans of being arrogant!?

Posted by mukesh_LOVE.cricket on (October 23, 2012, 17:10 GMT)

this is going to be interesting , especially because dravid and laxman has retired and India is also trying to rebuild their team , another point is anderson and broad seems to have lost their pace a bit , against India swann will never be much of a threat and they will have to get their pacemen comming in at full speed. at their current form only finn will cause any trouble to India., but then again sehwag is a weak link in Indian line up

Posted by subbass on (October 23, 2012, 17:08 GMT)

Yeah if only we could win a series in OZ or SA !

Posted by JG2704 on (October 23, 2012, 17:05 GMT)

Great article. Have always liked Prior as a player but he grows on me as a person. It seems to me that while KP is a hugely confident cricketer , he strikes me as not being the most confident person in dealing with non cricketing issues. I think it was Jimmy who said he was unaware of KP having a problem with the players. Obviously folk will believe what they want but if Jimmy's words were true then it seemed that all of this was building up inside him. Even re the Swann/Broad/Jimmy alleged clique - could it possibly be that what they saw as banter that you get between teammates was upsetting KP without them even realising it. If KP was keeping it all bottled up then it's obviously not a healthy environment to be in. I know this because I have been guilty of bottling things up myself. Anyway good on Prior for his mediation work.

Posted by   on (October 23, 2012, 16:43 GMT)

Pretty rich calling subcontinent as the "final frontier" after losing at home.

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