England in India 2012-13

England have point to prove - Finn

Alan Gardner

October 25, 2012

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Steven Finn produced a beauty to get rid of Hashim Amla, England v South Africa, 3rd Investec Test, Lord's, 4th day, August 19, 2012
Steven Finn said England's loss of the No. 1 ranking to South Africa had left them with a point to prove in India © PA Photos
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Steven Finn has said that England will head to India in search of a fresh start and eager to restate their credentials as one of the best Test sides in the world, after a difficult year in which they lost the No. 1 ranking, their captain and very nearly their star batsman.

A 2-0 defeat at home to South Africa led to England being deposed as the top-ranked team in Tests and precipitated Andrew Strauss' retirement from cricket, leaving Alastair Cook to assume the Test captaincy ahead of one of the most difficult touring propositions in the game. Finn is likely to be among those spending almost two months in India, with two T20Is to follow the Tests, as the squad departed for a training camp in Dubai before arriving in Mumbai on Monday.

England have not won a Test series in India since 1984-85 and struggled against subcontinental opposition last winter, being whitewashed 3-0 by Pakistan in the UAE and drawing 1-1 in Sri Lanka. England's victory in Colombo was only their fifth Test win in Asia, against countries other than Bangladesh, in 27 years but Finn said Cook's squad have a point to prove and invoked their landmark Ashes victory of 2010-11 by way of inspiration.

"It is almost a fresh start for us," Finn said, "the Test team hasn't played together since August so we've had a bit of time and we've got a new captain who will have his own ideas how he wants the team to move forward. There are a few fresh faces in the squad and I think we like proving people wrong. We like rearing our backs up in the face of adversity.

"It is something we're excited about, I don't think an England team have won out there for 27 years so we're looking to do a similar thing to what we did in Australia, by breaking those sort of records."

The tour is likely to provide Cook with plenty of challenges, not least brokering a successful return to the England environment for Kevin Pietersen, after a turbulent summer in which he retired from limited-overs internationals and was then dropped from the Test side after admitting sending messages about Strauss to members of the South Africa squad. The circle will be completed when Pietersen joins up with England, after his IPL team, Delhi Daredevils, were knocked out of the Champions League at the semi-final stage.

England have set much store by team unity in recent years but Finn said that he was looking forward to playing with Pietersen again. "He is a world class player and has produced some splendid innings that have won us games so I think it's great to have him back and good for English cricket," he said.

England's last win on the subcontinent, against Sri Lanka in April, was inspired by Pietersen's magnificent innings of 151 and knitting him back into the fabric of the team would appear to be essential to the tourists' chances in the four-Test series. While India will be seeking to avenge the 4-0 whitewashing they suffered in 2011, England also have plenty at stake.

"We have a massive point to prove," Finn said. "We have to prove to the general public, to the people who comment on the game and to people within the game. If we want to be the number one side in the world again and get that mantle back we have to be able to perform in subcontinental conditions.

"We have done a lot of work since we played Pakistan earlier this year, as a unit and as a team, developing skills that we will need in the subcontinent - playing against spin, using old balls on wickets that aren't doing much. We have done a lot of work to refine our game to become better in the subcontinent and hopefully that will bear fruit on this tour."

With England's problems against slow bowling in mind, four county spinners, in addition to squad members Graeme Swann, Monty Panesar and Samit Patel, will link up with the players in Dubai. James Tredwell, Scott Borthwick, Simon Kerrigan and Azeem Rafiq have been flown out to try and replicate the kind of tests the batsmen are likely to face in India, despite the lack of a spinner in the squad named for England's first warm-up match.

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Posted by JG2704 on (October 28, 2012, 17:25 GMT)

@Pratik Behera on (October 27 2012, 06:52 AM GMT) Yeah or the women's team

Posted by   on (October 27, 2012, 17:31 GMT)

INDIA WILL WIN NO MATTER NO DISSCUSSION SOORY ENGLAND FANS

Posted by Nampally on (October 27, 2012, 16:20 GMT)

@A-Vacant-Slip: You are specific about England's injuries - Trott & Tremlett- but not so about injuries to the Indian players- "Sehwag & someone else"- because you are unaware! Before you attack my credibility, you should check the stats. Sir!. There were no less than 10 Indian players injured on that tour. Some were forced to play because substitutes were not available. The substitute players could not be sent immediately due to long time in procuring Visas for the players. In the very first Test Zaheer was injured after taking the first 3 Wkts. & he was considered the main bowler for India. Similar fate hit P.Kumar who bowled brilliantly in the following test & took 5 wkts. Yuvraj broke his thumb.Sehwag returned with shoulder injury. Harbhajan with Quad. injury. Gambhir with concussion. Tendulkar recovering from injuries played for a while & withdrew later. I.Sharma, R.Sharma were next 2. If England lose just 4- KP, Bell, Broad, Swann - series will turn topsy turvy.

Posted by Wynand80 on (October 27, 2012, 11:13 GMT)

@jb633 - I would go with 3 pacers + Swann + Samit Patel for the simple reason that in my humble view Patel is a better bat than Bresnan against spin(see odi series last year against India in India). So playing 4 pacers would mean playing Prior at 6 and exposing Bresnan at 7 which I think is one spot too high for him. Ideally if Patel bowled left arm spin like Monty or if Monty batted as competently as Samit that would have been perfect but you have what you have. So in summary I like your line up with Samit at 6 and 3 pacers - frankly if 3 pacers and Swann don't cause India problems I doubt the 4th pacer would be of any use! On the series I think A'bad test first day will be key

Posted by swat1999 on (October 27, 2012, 7:30 GMT)

England is very favourite this series. I think India will be jolted due to abscence of VVS and Dravid, on the otherhand Tendulakar, Gambhir, Zaheer in inform. Comparing English batsman are in good form and have a good attacking bowling combination

Posted by JG2704 on (October 27, 2012, 7:24 GMT)

@phoenixsteve on (October 26 2012, 05:26 AM GMT) Re "The stars have gone" - Kohli is an exceptional young talent and to be fair they possibly have other top players who we are unfamiliar with. Also Ajmal wasn't much cop when he toured England and was a totally different animal in UAE and who knew much about guys like Rehman and Herath?

Posted by JG2704 on (October 27, 2012, 7:24 GMT)

@rickyvoncanterbury on (October 26 2012, 12:01 PM GMT) Oh yes - SA are definitely beatable. Until England they hadn't won a series vs a top 4 side for several years. Having said that they hadn't lost a series home or away for several years. We'll see if they are as good now that they are the hunted and not the hunters. Re , my post - sometimes I wonder why I bother. Cheers

Posted by JG2704 on (October 27, 2012, 7:24 GMT)

@Wynand80 on (October 26 2012, 13:08 PM GMT) England players never claimed they were an all time great side. The media might have hyped them up and some players might have said they wanted to be looked on in similar terms as Aus (90s/00s) and WI (80s) and that when directly asked a question. By naming the benchmarks ,it's not saying you're already there is it? I never heard one player say they could have beaten either of these sides. Eng have been awful against spin - no one'sdenying that. Re Bell opening - India could open with spin against him to make it uncomfortable for him

Posted by JG2704 on (October 27, 2012, 7:24 GMT)

@jb633 on (October 26 2012, 13:03 PM GMT) Re your side , I can see reasons for most of the selections and as you know I'm a huge fan of the 5/1/5. However I wouldn't open with Bell but bizarrely I might try KP up there. The one selection of yours which really baffles me is Morgan. He was woeful in UAE and even before UAE wasn't exactly milking the runs in test cricket and since UAE , I've not noticed him do alot at county level and he's even been inconsistent in the shorter fmts. If I wanted an aggressive number 5 it'd be Bairstow. I'd also like to somehow squeeze Onions in my side depending on conditions. PS not sure if Morgan is still in the squad

Posted by JG2704 on (October 27, 2012, 7:23 GMT)

@sobersfan on (October 27 2012, 06:18 AM GMT) Agree on our batting being weak but re our bowling , it wasn't great in the 1st test in UAE or the 1st test vs SA but by and large we've bowled well in tests home and abroad . The innings defeats and thrashings your boys suffered , albeit away suggest your batting isn't quite as great as you make out. PS please read my post (October 26 2012, 09:23 AM GMT)

Posted by   on (October 27, 2012, 6:52 GMT)

Out of last 17 ODIs that England have played in India they have lost 16??? God.. They could have sent their under 19s all these years ..

Posted by shadab732 on (October 27, 2012, 6:39 GMT)

@ RednWhiteArmy india's recent test record is LLLLWWDLLLLWW and not LLLLLLLL

Posted by AMAZINGFAN on (October 27, 2012, 6:18 GMT)

FINN IS GOOD ON CONDITIONS WHICH HAS HELP FOR FAST BOWLERS,LAST TIME WHEN HE CAME TO INDIA HE WAS SMASHED BY YOUNG INDIAN BATSMEN.....ENG BOWLING IS REALLY WEAK LIKE THEIR BATTING...SWANN IS NO THREAT FOR IND BATSMEN AS THEY PLAY SPINNERS BETTER THAN ANYONE.....@LANDL47 ENG BOWLERS DID GOOD JOB AGAINST PAK BUT THEY WILL STRUGGLE AGAINST IND WHO R BETTER BATTING SIDE THAN PAK...

Posted by aadirag on (October 27, 2012, 6:01 GMT)

I don't know about the 'turning' tracks. These are not the 90s when india played on dustbowls and got greentops abroad.In the last decade test cricket was played on largely flat tracks.And that worries me.A lot of draws in india & a lot of flat roads produced.Ahmedabad has produced some of the flattest pitches in test cricket.Not just in India , but around the world.I can't be sure about this.I hope we produce pitches with turn as long as they aren't dustbowls.If that happens, India will win.

Posted by kickassPakistan on (October 27, 2012, 5:01 GMT)

though it would be difficult for the english team to re group after their recent turmoils but india should be vary as the english will no push overs. spin is obviously going to be key and i personally feel they have a much better chance with ashwin instead of harbhagan. bowling with in stumps and getting lbw decisions is going to be crucial. best of luck india

Posted by   on (October 27, 2012, 4:17 GMT)

@RednWhiteArmy :Can you say England in INDIA record reads? Of course u r free to say in ODIs too :P

Posted by raj_24 on (October 27, 2012, 3:22 GMT)

@perl57

It costs nothing to day dream. so keep day dreaming. Wait and watch , come november 15 .

Drawn series 1-1

Posted by Cpt.Meanster on (October 27, 2012, 0:30 GMT)

@jb633: Indians view Morgan as a good limited overs player because we have seen him play in the IPL, and in England's ODI and T20 teams. I think he should be given a few more opportunities in the lower middle order. Especially, his style would be good in India where the ball keeps low. However, he needs to check his sweep shot when there is some grip and turn. Other than that, I have no problems in him being in my XI. Regarding Gambir, and Raina, I agree with you that it's time those 2 got dropped. Even Sehwag is past his prime. Sadly, in Indian cricket, we have to make do with past glory and fat reputations. Nothing is being done to improve Indian test cricket. It's a harsh reality. It's obvious as Indians, we love our ODIs and T20s. But why play test cricket when you want to be mediocre and keep losing ? Doesn't make sense. Also, I truly believe every team must play equally well at home and away. India have simply not done that enough throughout their history.

Posted by RednWhiteArmy on (October 27, 2012, 0:17 GMT)

The indian fans need a reality check. Yes, your at home but your recent test form reads LLLLLLLL. Keep it real!

Posted by jb633 on (October 26, 2012, 23:58 GMT)

@CptMeanster- no problem it's just refreshing to hear some Indian fans who actually talk cricket rather than just trash talking. I know the Indian side is not what it was a few years ago but seriously in Asia England will struggle even against mediocre spin. What are the opinions in India with regards to Morgan. Personally I would not mind seeing him in the test side, although he did have a mare in the UAE. Certainly I feel he will have a better chance against the Indian spinners than Ajmal. In terms of the Indian test side I would like India to get rid of Ghambir and Raina, simply because of their attitude to playing overseas. IMO it is not good enough for a professional cricketer to say "wait till you play us at home" whilst they are getting beaten in Australia. That really annoyed me about Ghambir.

Posted by jb633 on (October 26, 2012, 23:53 GMT)

@Waynard80- thanks for your info on the pitches. Looks like we will have our work cut out to compete in these games if they start going early. Regardless of the state of the pitches would you suggest that England play 4 quicks, including maybe Bresnan for the reverse swing?

Posted by Cpt.Meanster on (October 26, 2012, 23:49 GMT)

@A_Vacant_Slip: Can't agree more. As an India fan, it pains me to see some of my fellow countrymen sing praises of an underdog team India. There is nothing wrong in supporting the team but when the team is doing badly, it takes GUTS to admit and accept the shortcomings and weaknesses plaguing the side. Sadly, the BCCI along with most of our Indian fans fail to admit it. However, my eyes are open and so are my senses. I have decided to view this Indian team as underdogs, especially in test cricket. India are very poor in tests. They are not even favourites in this series. It's England who are favourites. Indian team is in building phase and this series should be considered by them as a learning series. England are good in most departments, something India can never say.

Posted by Cpt.Meanster on (October 26, 2012, 22:49 GMT)

@jb633: Thanks for your words. I am an Indian fan through and through but I know the weaknesses lingering in our cricket. Especially in tests,we are an underdog team. I strongly feel India should view this series as a learning curve to measure themselves up against the might of England. Yes, England are playing in the subcontinent but if there was ever a golden opportunity to beat India away, this would be it. An Indian victory wouldn't really do anything for India as a test nation other than build some confidence for the younger players. On the other hand, an English victory would put to rest all the dirty rambles about them being inadequate in India. So it's England's series to win or lose. Indian fans should just lay low and take whatever comes. In test cricket, India are back to the drawing board. The classes begin this November 15.

Posted by A_Vacant_Slip on (October 26, 2012, 22:18 GMT)

@Nampally on (October 26 2012, 18:07 PM GMT) You are STILL saying "India was decimated with such issues (injuries) when they toured England". Rubbish. India were NOT decimated by injury. This is just excuse old and worn out. India had TWO injury - Sehwag and someone else. England also had TWO injury Trott and Tremlett. Now please stop this nonsense of India is "decimated" with injury in England 2011. India were beaten fair and square man up and admit it. The gap between the two side was VAST - TWO Inning defeat and a 4-0 whitewash for India - it wasn't a competitive series by India. Then India went to Australia "full-strength" and got another 4-0 hiding. @Nampally normally I like your comment - but this "decimated by injury" stuff is just nonsense and repeating it just reduce your credibility.

Posted by MrRascaL on (October 26, 2012, 20:08 GMT)

"leaving Alastair Cook to assume the Test captaincy ahead of one of the most difficult touring propositions in the game" WoW. It should be written "difficult proposition for non-subcontinental sides" Ask any batsman from SL and Pakistan, he will prefer Indian pitches any time of year any day than playing in S.A

Posted by   on (October 26, 2012, 20:06 GMT)

Kevin pietersen will do well to help England avoid follow on. His patience will be tested. Just bring yuvraj and kp gets irritated and lofts one in the air:)

Posted by perl57 on (October 26, 2012, 19:29 GMT)

First Test: Ind 1st Inn: 450 all out Eng Ist Inn: 120 all out (KP 76*, Cook 10....) Eng F/0: 88 all out.

Second Test: England 1st Inn: 213 all out India: 775/4 - Kohli Double Sachin-Double Gauti - 100 Viru - 100 England 2nd Inn: 198 all out

Third and fourth cancelled as Andy Flower jumps into Thames on the pretext of visiting home. England still smiles....we only lost 0-2.

Posted by Nampally on (October 26, 2012, 18:07 GMT)

Finn's comments are like a pep talk!. Many cricketers do this from time to time. But lot of unfactored issues can go wrong such as injuries or sickness of players. India was decimated with such issues when they toured England. Secondly, Finn is only one bowler. He is good & performed very well when the England lost 4-0 in the ODI series. England has Panesar, Patel & Swann to boost their spin attack too. Also India normally play well at home. The results will depend on the Indian team selection & also upon the pitches & Toss. However it is good to land in a foreign country with optimism, which Finn has attempted to infuse in the team. It will soon be time for Action.Looking at the England team it is a well balanced side. Indian team may have some surprises especially in batting line up.Indian bowling, often considered weak abroad, is far from it at home. Despite England's strong training, the Indian pitches will be different from those in Middle East.So be prepared for a new ball Game!.

Posted by   on (October 26, 2012, 16:58 GMT)

Well, its already started, banters and counter-banters. What has been missed here though is the Indian counter-part for Steven Finn. Yes Umesh Yadav is expensive, but there's no denying that he has promise. I believe he should be another factor for England to worry about. And spinners should not be discussed about. Maybe people have rather quickly forgotten England's outing against India in the World T20. If that is the yardstick by which they are seeking a new start, then MY MY MY...

Posted by 2.14istherunrate on (October 26, 2012, 15:39 GMT)

the end of England's reign as no.1 became cringeworthy and embarassing as the first acts of the series v SA were played out. The confession of complacency made by anderson afterwards could not have rung truer, but the question remained unanswered-why did he not rectify by day 3 of the Oval. I think a lot of people were complacent then,so now they have lost the crown they know fully that complacency and cockiness are two things they need not feel. Everything to prove again is probably a good thing, and with the second string breathing down their necks the men in charge should feel motivated to excel themselves. i wouild be surprised if Finn started the series but equally surprised if he does not get a couple of games in the course of it. But the important thing first up iss for Anderson to recover the outswinger and use it as his stiock ball-inswinger to left handers. He is less when he goes the other way mostly. It is no bad thing to start behind anyway.

Posted by GerrardLK on (October 26, 2012, 15:13 GMT)

Playing with INDIA will only prove you have beaten a Minnow side.

Posted by Wynand80 on (October 26, 2012, 14:51 GMT)

@jb633 - to respond further to your observation that overseas pacers take more wickets than spinners against India in India - that is true and because generally Indian batsmen play spin very well and therefore even all-time great spinners (e.g. Warne, Murli) struggle against India in India. Indian spinners take more wickets than Indian pacers in India because (a) Overseas batsmen generally are less adept at playing spin; (b) Indian spinners are better than pacers (atleast in India). I think England are better off playing Samit Patel as a batting all-rounder and play 3 pacers in Broad, Anderson and Finn than playing Prior at six followed by what is a long tail in your line-up (yes against spinners Broad at 7 would be tail). Otherwise I like the look of your line-up particularly Bell opening - he will be better off there than in the middle order where the spinners will be at him (although note Ojha sometimes opens the bolwing in tests in India)!

Posted by jb633 on (October 26, 2012, 14:49 GMT)

@Wyndan80, no one in England does consider this team great. Ignore the hype of our media and most fans are realistic in their considerations of this current team.

Posted by Wynand80 on (October 26, 2012, 14:41 GMT)

@jb633 admittedly you wish to hear the opinions of Cpt Meanster, I will add my two pence worth just in case it is of any use to you - Indian pitches are not usually "raging" turners-its a bit like Indians asking whether all pitches in England are superfast green-trackers!Indian pitches offer turn in varying degrees as the match goes on but as a general proposition,batting last is the worst possible option (i.e. chasing anything more than 200 is a mighty challenger). Turn in India is not what gets you(a bit like raw pace in England),it is turn and bounce that gets you (like swing with pace).Mumbai always offers a little something for the pacers in that there is some bounce and some carry-also the breeze from the sea nearby gives itsy bitsy movement. Eden Gardens Kolkata on the other hand offers spin early but rough outfield allows good reverse swing. Nagpur varies from time to time (there was a green track when Aus beat India!) and A'bad is good ol flat-track altho it'll turn this time!

Posted by ravikb on (October 26, 2012, 14:08 GMT)

Finn is a very good bowler. He is hit the deck hard kind of bowler. Exactly what Gillespie did against India in India 2004 and Indian batsmen were all over the place. This is the strategy Eng should adopt if they want to win in India. Aus won that series with fast bowlers not with Warne. Moreover Indian team in 2004 were far better than the current team. I predict 2-1 win for England. Go England. I want India to lose even at home, only then selectors will consider wholesale changes. For now, they seem to be selecting the same tried and tested (failed) players.

Posted by Wynand80 on (October 26, 2012, 13:08 GMT)

This is probably the weakest the Indian team has been in a generation with struggling openers, inexperienced middle order (barring Tendulkar) and untested (against quality opposition) spin attack. If England cannot beat India now I guess they should never ever again claim that this is a "all time great" team in the making (as they claimed when they hit the number 1 spot). That said, I still think India will wipe the floor with England for the simple reason that Ashwin+Ojha are more potent that people give them credit for and the English batsman are more incompetent against spin than people abuse them for. With Yuvraj slotting into no.6, India will effectively be playing with 3 spinners (and 2 pacers) - a 5 man bowling attack for India after a long time.

Posted by jb633 on (October 26, 2012, 13:03 GMT)

Can't be bothered replying to the majority of trashy comments but want to hear the opinions of Cpt Meanster (credible and worth listening to). In terms of the wickets the test matches are played on will they all be raging turners or will any of them have a bit of pace in them? From watching a lot of cricket in the last few years the tracks in India appear to be pretty much batsmen friendly and against India the seamers take more wickets than opposition spinners. In terms of all the bosating and trash talking why not just watch and enjoy the cricket. I am prepared to accept that we will probably lose the series but I hope there is some exciting cricket played. I just really hope that the English batsmen will be brave and not try and play the spinners from the crease (Like we did in UAE). I know we will struggle in India but I hope we can at least try to learn some lessons. My England team 1. Bell, 2. Cook 3. Trott 4.KP 5.Morgan 6.Prior 7.Borad 8. Swann 9. Finn 10. Anderson. Monty

Posted by FredBoycott on (October 26, 2012, 12:41 GMT)

Englan' need ta gerr thea 'eads daahn. Bat' orl day for 120, wear t' Indians daahn, laik 'em a' thea own gem. #digin 'n #plodon

Posted by Cpt.Meanster on (October 26, 2012, 12:12 GMT)

@Indian fans: Guys, just relax. There is no point in getting angry with what "phoenixsteve" has said. It's time we start to think of our test team as UNDERDOGS. Yes, India are underdogs in this series. Like I said before in one of my posts, this series is England's to win/lose. An Indian win won't guarantee anything, it would be more along tradition. India are a much less capable side now. So as an Indian fan, while I expect India to win, nothing is a given. So yes, England are FAVOURITES.

Posted by Selassie-I on (October 26, 2012, 12:08 GMT)

I think Finny will be our best bowler on the tour, personally i'd go with Finn, Jimmy, Broad, swann and patel, perhaps monty for broad on a raging turner(every pitch if we are to believe the hype!) looking forward to this series a lot! also looking forward to Aus/SA hopefully it will puit some Aussies back in their places, they seem to have forgotten the last ashes result!

Posted by rickyvoncanterbury on (October 26, 2012, 12:01 GMT)

@ JG2704 on (October 26 2012, 09:23 AM GMT) ... well said, its very frustrating what do they want these people to say... we are going to lose they are much better than us. whats even more frustrating is that unless your a saffer your team is only as good as every other team on the day. and IMO even the saffers are beatable.

Posted by   on (October 26, 2012, 11:13 GMT)

raj_24 : Thanks mate: hope u do know the record of broad n anderson in all odis n test in INDIA................

Posted by g.narsimha on (October 26, 2012, 10:27 GMT)

PHIENIXSTEVE yaa we all seen the chin music in SA series , u have been winning only in u r place ,now that too a distance reality as SA THRASHED u in u r own place , our youngesters are more than enough , so dont make tall claims .

Posted by arvind.Kejriwal.AAP_A_Better_INDIA_ on (October 26, 2012, 10:15 GMT)

What point mate ? U got white-washed by Pak in UAE. Lost to SA @ ur own home ? What else is left ?

Posted by rahulcricket007 on (October 26, 2012, 9:55 GMT)

if finn plays then i can guarantee it that gambhir will be a bunny of him .

Posted by JG2704 on (October 26, 2012, 9:23 GMT)

Isn't it funny how when one of our players says the team WANTS TO achieve something or says they CAN achieve something and NOT WILL ACHIEVE .. people get on their high horses and say he is being arrogant etc. Surely , saying that "Finn is the only bowler India need to worry about" defines arrogance. It's like England fans saying Kohli is the only batsman we need to get out. May I remind these people that it was our batsmen purely who failed in our early 2012 tours and Broad,Anderson,Monty and Swann all took wickets. Anderson has been top 5 for some time and Broad has been top 10 for a while and even against SA , in only one innings did our bowlers fail miserably.

Posted by Avidcricketlover on (October 26, 2012, 8:12 GMT)

As an Indian, I feel Finn is the only english bowling threat for the batsmen anywhere in the subcontinent. Swann might bowl but he can pick up wickets in India, only if the batsmen are complacent. If England play some other quickie in place of Anderson, then they have a good chance. The quality to be successful is to be quick and sharp.

Posted by raj_24 on (October 26, 2012, 8:10 GMT)

@vinchester

Even Kids will say?

so no need to play then . Game is played out in the middle. Just wait and watch.

Amd:Draw Mumbai:Ind/Draw Kol:Eng Nagpur:Eng /Draw

Posted by Sathish.Velu on (October 26, 2012, 8:02 GMT)

@phoenixsteve, chin music against sub standard batting, ha ha ha lol, gud joke, its time for googly doosra carrrom ball and arm ball against super sub standard england batting, dont predict too much dude, here comes the november nightmare for england in 10 days

Posted by jackiethepen on (October 26, 2012, 7:58 GMT)

Reports say that KP will go to India on Monday so he would miss out on Dubai. Finn is always feisty which is good but the endless highlighting of isolated innings by KP, no matter how brilliant, when the other batsmen have to put in the hard graft of all the other Test matches. KP gets too much praise and the other batsmen too little. KP is a very good player but a little balance might help the team no end. The media always feed the questions of course. They are to blame for much of the parlous state of the dressing room by their continuing need for celebrities. This is a sport not show biz.

Posted by gamespiritfirst on (October 26, 2012, 7:26 GMT)

i think england will find it difficult but the thing to worry for india is quality of their spinners(currently)and their form

Posted by raj_24 on (October 26, 2012, 6:50 GMT)

@prabhu

For your info: Jimmy Broady did not play in odi series 2011 in india.

Finn played and bowled very well.

Broad did not play in last test series in india in 2008.Jimmy played and did well.

Posted by vinchester on (October 26, 2012, 6:45 GMT)

Since it is Ahmedabad and Mumbai, spinner's paradise, even a kid will say hosts will win. If it was Mohali, Bangalore or Dharmashala, it will be well fought with the odds on England.

Posted by HatsforBats on (October 26, 2012, 5:50 GMT)

Will Finn play in India? His extra pace will be very beneficial on the slower tracks. Hopefully the third spot goes to Bresnan for the reverse swing potential. But england have nothing to prove, even against an average Indian side they would be best concentrating on getting the basics right rather than thinking about record breaking, though if India are as out of form, injured and ill-prepared as Aus were for the Ashes they should win handsomely.

Posted by phoenixsteve on (October 26, 2012, 5:26 GMT)

Fortunately for England the opposition are sub-standard? If ever there was an Indian team ripe for scalping it's this one! The stars have gone (except one who doesn't seem to know when to quit) and England are thirsty for blood. Expect that thirst to triumph and 'chin music' to rattlle some poor techniques...... COME ON ENGLAND!!!

Posted by anver777 on (October 26, 2012, 5:05 GMT)

Finn is one of Eng's ace bowler & i think he has a point to prove in Ind..... his job is to target the striker's stumps not the non strikers which he often does with his long legs while bowling.... avoiding this situation will be an achievement for Finn !!!!

Posted by landl47 on (October 26, 2012, 4:31 GMT)

Really, the issue for England is how the batsmen will cope mentally with the conditions in India. They showed in the UAE that they can play in similar conditions by winning the ODI series 4-0 and the T20s 2-1. Pakistan are a better bowling side than India, so there's no doubt the ability is there. England's bowlers are fine; they controlled the Pakistan batsmen, rolled them over for under 100 in the third test and should have set up at least two test wins if the batting hadn't failed. India will be a tougher proposition in India than they were in England, but the gap between the sides was so great that there's no reason England can't win. They just have to believe it.

Posted by AgeySuhas on (October 26, 2012, 4:29 GMT)

Come on England........We r eagarly waiting for u............!

Posted by   on (October 26, 2012, 4:21 GMT)

@SIRSOBERZ: Hope u rem broad, finn n anderson played in last odi series in INDIA n both broad n anderson played last test series too. Do u know the result???????????????????????????????????????

Posted by Rogerunionjack on (October 26, 2012, 3:44 GMT)

Excellent level headed comments from Finn. No arrogance or big mouthed predictions. And his on field performance over the past two years has been exemplary. Folks keep harping on how India will prepare dust bowls and turning tracks to negate us, but if Finn can prise out the openers and get the Indian middle order into the middle early, we've got the advantage. Kohli is the one real threat, it seems India is now too dependant on him. And for all my Indian friends, please don't harp on your past home invincibility or on your last few ODI performances. Yes, you are better than us in limited overs, but this is test cricket in the winter of 2012 and we are focused on winning this Test series on your turf. This is our best opportunity in a long while.

Posted by solankibhavesh on (October 26, 2012, 2:40 GMT)

Who wil win the series time will say nobody can predict the game but when playing againts india in India its very difficult task for any team to defeat india. so dont say or talk wait for matches will play

Posted by jmcilhinney on (October 26, 2012, 1:53 GMT)

@Ram Rayaprolu on (October 25 2012, 21:49 PM GMT), the next Ashes is played in England and England have won the last two, so apparently it's you who needs some reminding. Are you implying that Finn should have fronted up to reporters and told them that England are rubbish and quaking in their boots at the prospect of playing India in India? Even that was the case, what sportsman is going to say that in a press conference? The team is concentrating on the job at hand. Exactly what "impossible statements" has Finn made here?

Posted by torsha on (October 26, 2012, 1:39 GMT)

He is the only bowler India might need to worry about.

Posted by Nampally on (October 26, 2012, 1:00 GMT)

With Pieterson in, the England team is much stronger. Both Bell & KP are excellent players of spin bowling. Add Cook & Trot - a solid batting line up. India need to put their best foot forward in order to win the series. India need to have a strong batting & bowling to match the England team. For Ashwin & Ojha, it will not be the picnic as they had against WI & NZ. They will have to work very hard to get Wkts. In addition it might be worth considering a third right arm leg spinner if there is one from Rahul sharma, Mishra & Chawla. Even the Wkts. have to be far more spin friendly for India to win. India has huge problem with Gambhir & Sehwag as the openers who have become totally irresponsible. They should be told in no uncertain term what is expected of them or bring in 2 out of Dhawan, Rahane, Vijay, Mukund to open the innings. Tendulkar appears to be past his best. Pujara, Kohli,Dhoni,Yuvraj &Raina will be the key batsmen.Yadev & Ishant will be the key pacers. Good Luck India.

Posted by BRUTALANALYST on (October 25, 2012, 23:30 GMT)

Despite all the talk of spinning wickets and Englands poor batting v spin I believe FINN ANDERSON BROAD and Englands pace attack will again be the difference forget the conditions I think they will run through Inida even out there the new crop of Indians look like absolute bunnies v any kind of pace even in t20 / Ipl games out there on those tracks.

Posted by Cpt.Meanster on (October 25, 2012, 23:17 GMT)

The ONLY bowler in the England team who deserves any praise is Finn. He's a bowler in the Glenn McGrath mould; can bowl in any condition. Jimmy Anderson and Stuart Broad WHO ? Having said that, Finn alone cannot do anything in India. Yes, India are a new look side, with many inexperienced players and youngsters. Finn talks about a 'fresh start' for England. I see that same thing for India who will be rearing to go after the 8-0 away defeat. It should be a good series but a draw or Indian victory are the likely scenarios.

Posted by   on (October 25, 2012, 22:41 GMT)

want to see TEST CRICKET

Posted by   on (October 25, 2012, 21:49 GMT)

Steve, just reflect on the history when Eng toured Inida with better batsmen than this team of yours. While I agree that Indian bowlers are also not as good as in the past, they are still good in their conditions (just as you were back home). Your team will do well to just concentrate on the job on hand an not give too many impossible statements. Your no.1 status did not last long and your confidence will not too. Imagine losing this series and going to Australia - do I need to remind you of "Ashes"?

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (October 25, 2012, 21:38 GMT)

Interesting to see how young Cook steers the team indeed. Good answers from Finn. I've chalked him down as a dark horse for this upcoming series. Everyone keeps bringing up spin...

Posted by   on (October 25, 2012, 21:23 GMT)

England team will prove and will win the series against WE TIRED Indians.

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