England news July 29, 2013

Break can be good for Finn - Fraser

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Angus Fraser, Middlesex's director of cricket, believes that a period away from the scrutiny of international competition can help Steven Finn return to his best form. Fraser said Finn's omission from the squad for the third Investec Ashes Test had not come as a shock, after the fast bowler was dropped at Lord's, and suggested his time would be better served playing for Middlesex than carrying the drinks with England.

Tim Bresnan replaced Finn for the second Test, after the latter produced a faltering performance at Trent Bridge, taking two wickets with the new ball in Australia's first innings but being trusted with only 10 out of 110.5 overs in the second. That ended a run of six consecutive Test appearances for Finn - his longest spell in the team since making his debut in 2010 - as he struggled for rhythm as part of England's three-man pace attack.

The change to a shortened run-up, in an attempt to counter a problem of kneeing the stumps in his delivery stride, was abandoned but Finn's form and confidence appeared to have visibly dipped. In Tests in 2013, Finn has taken 20 wickets at 33.50 and he was also dropped from the ODI side during the Champions Trophy, having been a bulwark of their success last year.

"I know he'll be pretty disappointed. He needs to get some bowling under his belt really," Fraser said. "He's got to bowl better than he has done and the only way you're going to improve is by playing cricket. There's only so much good that net practice can do, you need to get in games where it counts."

Fraser pointed out that Finn has had to hone his game on the international stage, with its attendant pressures and demands. At 24, Fraser had only recently made his England debut; Finn already has 74 caps - and 168 wickets - in three formats for England. "He's a young bloke and he's done all his growing up and his learning, to a large extent, in front of everybody's eyes," Fraser said. "Sometimes it's quite nice to get away from it all, to groove yourself and get it right and come back.

"He's been in the spotlight. Jimmy Anderson had four or five years before he really established himself as an England bowler - Steven has had quite a bit of success early on but it's just not happening for him at the moment. There are a few little things that he's got to work at and careers aren't straightforward. Players get dropped, players get left out, players go through periods where their confidence and their form is not what they want it to be. Players go away, sort it out, come back and perform to their highest level again."

Since the end of May, Finn has made only five competitive appearances - two ODIs, a Test and England's Ashes warm-up against Essex, plus the second half of Middlesex's Championship fixture at Sussex. Rather than continue to keep him on the sidelines, England have chosen to bring Chris Tremlett back into the squad - something that has always been part of their planning - and allow Middlesex to work with Finn.

Fraser doesn't believe Finn's run-up remains an underlying issue, although he suggested the focus on hitting the stumps may have contributed to clouding the bowler's mind. Although Finn trimmed his approach to the crease by a few paces on the tour of New Zealand, he has since returned to using his original mark.

"No, I don't think it is," Fraser said, asked if the run-up was still a problem. "Cricketers tinker, they're always trying different things and some you try and abandon, some you try and keep going. Obviously during the winter they tried this shorter run-up, he wanted to give it a go and it didn't work, didn't feel as good as he would have hoped in the long run so he's gone back to his old run-up.

"I've always been keen on his longer run-up because he's a big lad and it tends to take big men some time to get going, rather than being a short sprinter. He gets up to full speed quite early and can then keep going for the last ten yards and concentrate on letting go of the ball."

An opportunity to relocate his groove in red-ball cricket will come at the end of the week against Durham - who themselves will be augmented by the return of another England discard in Graham Onions - with Middlesex hoping to stoke the flames of their Championship title bid. Progression to next week's FLt20 quarter-finals also remains possible and many beyond Lord's will hope that Finn's return to county cricket can be mutually beneficial.

"We love having him around at Middlesex, he's a good lad," Fraser said. "Hopefully he'll get back to enjoying his cricket and start performing as we know he can."

Alan Gardner is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo. He tweets here

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  • landl47 on July 29, 2013, 12:20 GMT

    The last few years have illustrated that it really is a bad idea to push young seamers into test cricket too early. Anderson has been a very good bowler for the last 4 years but his average is still showing the bruises of the 5 years before that. Broad is similarly just beginning to find his optimum pace and length at age 27 and is (hopefully) starting to find consistency. Both suffered a rash of injuries in their early years- something the Australians can relate to as Pattinson goes home injured again and they hope that Cummins will recover from his multitude of fitness problems.

    Let the young bowlers develop in FC cricket, learning to bowl in the way that is best for them both to take wickets and manage their bodies. If they come into the side at 24/25 they can have 8 or 9 good years.

    Finn has enormous potential. I'd hate to see it thrown away because he was spending what should have been his learning years playing for England. Let's hope he comes back a better bowler.

  • whoster on July 29, 2013, 12:14 GMT

    As usual, Angus Fraser talks a lot of sense. Obviously with Finn shortening his run-up, and then going back to what it was, he needs plenty of bowling in the middle to regain continuity and consistency. Hopefully Finn can use the rest of the English season to regain his form, and then make his case for inclusion in the squad for Australia. As Fraser rightly says, it took Jimmy Anderson a long time to establish himself as a regular England bowler, so Finn should look at that and use it as a reason to be optimistic. England will have room for five pace bowlers in the squad for the return series, and at the moment, with Tremlett fit again, it looks like being a straight choice between Finn and Onions for the final spot.

  • subbass on July 31, 2013, 1:24 GMT

    Also having someone who can bowl that speed can help blast away the tail-enders. Not many can cope with that extra 5-10% in pace. Whenever I have seen him bowling with good pace he looks a class act. Shame we don't have a Kallis type player thus giving us 5 bowlers. Then we could use Finn purely as a strike bowler. Short yet hostile spells is the key I think, his ODI record backs this up. I think he needs to just bowl quick, take care of his fitness and let the rest take care of itself. Because as I said, whenever he has bowled consistently over 90mph/145kph he has looked a class act to me.

    He seems to be a tad confused about the type of bowler he wants to be. Finny just bowl quick !

  • subbass on July 31, 2013, 1:17 GMT

    Yep, the comparison with Anderson is a good one. But, for me he did look a better bowler off the shorter run up. Saker was praised for suggesting it. But Gus is probably right, he needs to get his head down and just play some County games and regain his cinfidence. But did anyone else also think he looked a better bowler off the shorter run ? I suppose he has to go with what he i=is comfortable with though. Anyway Finny will come back he has tremendous potential and when we got hammered 5-0 in that ODI series Steve Finn bowled rapid. He was consistently over 92mph on the speed gun and even got up to 95mph at times. He was the only positive to come from that tour. We were comprehensively outplayed, but the Indian batters did not look like they were enjoying facing Finn bowling that quick. Really his ODI record has always been good. We just need to get him bowling consistently well in the longer format, because this lad has the rare ability to bowl very rapid spells with good bounce.

  • Jonathan_E on July 30, 2013, 21:02 GMT

    The trouble with Finn wasn't even that he was leaking too many runs, it was that he was leaking too many runs while not taking enough wickets or even particularly threatening to do so. Getting spanked all round the park by a last wicket pairing in both innings without ever looking like dismissing them is why he was dropped.

    It's not the runs per over that matters, it's the runs per wicket. Finn's bowling average against Australia is 36.31. Of his four 5-fors, two were against Bangladesh, and the other two were very expensive (equal figures of 6/125 against Australia and New Zealand).

    Somehow he seems to have garnered praise for the recent series in New Zealand - in which he averaged 39.20 with the ball, which is his worst average playing away in any nation except Bangladesh (but he is an absolute destroyer of Bangladeshis in England, 17 wickets at 17.98 - he also has fine figures against NZ and Pakistan in England).

    Look at his figures with Bangladesh taken out, it's awful.

  • CricketingStargazer on July 30, 2013, 10:40 GMT

    @JG2704 Indeed, there is not a "one size fits all" policy for different bowlers. Each bowler has his role and each one needs to be treated in an individual manner to fulfill it. It is a pragmatic approach.

    Back in the Ashes series in Australia in 2010/11 Finn was penetrative, but a little wild at times. He also found playing back-to-back Tests hard work. People tend to forget that the change from Finn to Bresnan was credited by many as being the factor that allowed England to win the series so comfortably as Bresnan tied up the batsmen allowing Anderson and Tremlett to attack.

  • oze13 on July 30, 2013, 8:23 GMT

    Has all the attributes of a fast bowler, speed and bounce. But, bowls far too many short and wide deliveries that are freebies for batsmen. Needs to bowl a lot smarter. As for the problem he had breaking the stumps as he bowled. A schoolboy would be embarrassed by such amateurism!

  • JG2704 on July 30, 2013, 8:22 GMT

    Fraser is a very level headed analyst , but I will say Eng seem to have different policies on different players.

  • jb633 on July 29, 2013, 19:17 GMT

    I think the media, fans and selectors need to remember that Finn is a young man and needs to be treated carefully. Personally I have been disappointed with the way he has been handled. Firstly in the last ashes series he was dropped as the leading wicket taker in the series because he was too expensive. Now is that really the message you want to send a young strike bowler with twice the potential of Bresnan. If we had to play South Africa tomorrow who would you rather watch bowl at Amla and Kallis? Well lets not forget what those guys did to Bresnan and how Finn got wickets against the best players in the world. IMO Bresnan has never proven himself against good sides and Finn is by far the better prospect in the long run. I was disappointed that the selectors in 2010 exposed to the media that they thought he was too expensive. All this does is place more pressure on the young lad. When Bresnan went for 0-200 against SA last year the selectors never revealed he has no pace and no venom.

  • Iddo555 on July 29, 2013, 17:19 GMT

    Finn could go on to be a great bowler, he has all the tools, he's very tall so gets bounce and he bowls quick, well over 90mph. That's where the good ends and bad begins, he's raw, he's erratic, he bowls too many four balls. He needs to spend some time working on his line and length and become a more consistent bowler, he needs to be able to dry the runs up even if he's not taking wickets. I'm sure he will be able to do it and when the time comes he will be a great bowler and a England quick for many years.

  • landl47 on July 29, 2013, 12:20 GMT

    The last few years have illustrated that it really is a bad idea to push young seamers into test cricket too early. Anderson has been a very good bowler for the last 4 years but his average is still showing the bruises of the 5 years before that. Broad is similarly just beginning to find his optimum pace and length at age 27 and is (hopefully) starting to find consistency. Both suffered a rash of injuries in their early years- something the Australians can relate to as Pattinson goes home injured again and they hope that Cummins will recover from his multitude of fitness problems.

    Let the young bowlers develop in FC cricket, learning to bowl in the way that is best for them both to take wickets and manage their bodies. If they come into the side at 24/25 they can have 8 or 9 good years.

    Finn has enormous potential. I'd hate to see it thrown away because he was spending what should have been his learning years playing for England. Let's hope he comes back a better bowler.

  • whoster on July 29, 2013, 12:14 GMT

    As usual, Angus Fraser talks a lot of sense. Obviously with Finn shortening his run-up, and then going back to what it was, he needs plenty of bowling in the middle to regain continuity and consistency. Hopefully Finn can use the rest of the English season to regain his form, and then make his case for inclusion in the squad for Australia. As Fraser rightly says, it took Jimmy Anderson a long time to establish himself as a regular England bowler, so Finn should look at that and use it as a reason to be optimistic. England will have room for five pace bowlers in the squad for the return series, and at the moment, with Tremlett fit again, it looks like being a straight choice between Finn and Onions for the final spot.

  • subbass on July 31, 2013, 1:24 GMT

    Also having someone who can bowl that speed can help blast away the tail-enders. Not many can cope with that extra 5-10% in pace. Whenever I have seen him bowling with good pace he looks a class act. Shame we don't have a Kallis type player thus giving us 5 bowlers. Then we could use Finn purely as a strike bowler. Short yet hostile spells is the key I think, his ODI record backs this up. I think he needs to just bowl quick, take care of his fitness and let the rest take care of itself. Because as I said, whenever he has bowled consistently over 90mph/145kph he has looked a class act to me.

    He seems to be a tad confused about the type of bowler he wants to be. Finny just bowl quick !

  • subbass on July 31, 2013, 1:17 GMT

    Yep, the comparison with Anderson is a good one. But, for me he did look a better bowler off the shorter run up. Saker was praised for suggesting it. But Gus is probably right, he needs to get his head down and just play some County games and regain his cinfidence. But did anyone else also think he looked a better bowler off the shorter run ? I suppose he has to go with what he i=is comfortable with though. Anyway Finny will come back he has tremendous potential and when we got hammered 5-0 in that ODI series Steve Finn bowled rapid. He was consistently over 92mph on the speed gun and even got up to 95mph at times. He was the only positive to come from that tour. We were comprehensively outplayed, but the Indian batters did not look like they were enjoying facing Finn bowling that quick. Really his ODI record has always been good. We just need to get him bowling consistently well in the longer format, because this lad has the rare ability to bowl very rapid spells with good bounce.

  • Jonathan_E on July 30, 2013, 21:02 GMT

    The trouble with Finn wasn't even that he was leaking too many runs, it was that he was leaking too many runs while not taking enough wickets or even particularly threatening to do so. Getting spanked all round the park by a last wicket pairing in both innings without ever looking like dismissing them is why he was dropped.

    It's not the runs per over that matters, it's the runs per wicket. Finn's bowling average against Australia is 36.31. Of his four 5-fors, two were against Bangladesh, and the other two were very expensive (equal figures of 6/125 against Australia and New Zealand).

    Somehow he seems to have garnered praise for the recent series in New Zealand - in which he averaged 39.20 with the ball, which is his worst average playing away in any nation except Bangladesh (but he is an absolute destroyer of Bangladeshis in England, 17 wickets at 17.98 - he also has fine figures against NZ and Pakistan in England).

    Look at his figures with Bangladesh taken out, it's awful.

  • CricketingStargazer on July 30, 2013, 10:40 GMT

    @JG2704 Indeed, there is not a "one size fits all" policy for different bowlers. Each bowler has his role and each one needs to be treated in an individual manner to fulfill it. It is a pragmatic approach.

    Back in the Ashes series in Australia in 2010/11 Finn was penetrative, but a little wild at times. He also found playing back-to-back Tests hard work. People tend to forget that the change from Finn to Bresnan was credited by many as being the factor that allowed England to win the series so comfortably as Bresnan tied up the batsmen allowing Anderson and Tremlett to attack.

  • oze13 on July 30, 2013, 8:23 GMT

    Has all the attributes of a fast bowler, speed and bounce. But, bowls far too many short and wide deliveries that are freebies for batsmen. Needs to bowl a lot smarter. As for the problem he had breaking the stumps as he bowled. A schoolboy would be embarrassed by such amateurism!

  • JG2704 on July 30, 2013, 8:22 GMT

    Fraser is a very level headed analyst , but I will say Eng seem to have different policies on different players.

  • jb633 on July 29, 2013, 19:17 GMT

    I think the media, fans and selectors need to remember that Finn is a young man and needs to be treated carefully. Personally I have been disappointed with the way he has been handled. Firstly in the last ashes series he was dropped as the leading wicket taker in the series because he was too expensive. Now is that really the message you want to send a young strike bowler with twice the potential of Bresnan. If we had to play South Africa tomorrow who would you rather watch bowl at Amla and Kallis? Well lets not forget what those guys did to Bresnan and how Finn got wickets against the best players in the world. IMO Bresnan has never proven himself against good sides and Finn is by far the better prospect in the long run. I was disappointed that the selectors in 2010 exposed to the media that they thought he was too expensive. All this does is place more pressure on the young lad. When Bresnan went for 0-200 against SA last year the selectors never revealed he has no pace and no venom.

  • Iddo555 on July 29, 2013, 17:19 GMT

    Finn could go on to be a great bowler, he has all the tools, he's very tall so gets bounce and he bowls quick, well over 90mph. That's where the good ends and bad begins, he's raw, he's erratic, he bowls too many four balls. He needs to spend some time working on his line and length and become a more consistent bowler, he needs to be able to dry the runs up even if he's not taking wickets. I'm sure he will be able to do it and when the time comes he will be a great bowler and a England quick for many years.

  • 2MikeGattings on July 29, 2013, 16:53 GMT

    Clearly it's the right thing to give Finn more bowling with his county, under Fraser's watchful eye.

    As Middlesex's bowling coach Fraser will have copped a bit of criticism because Finn did not follow through on the adjustments Saker had made in NZ. Fraser says that it was Finn's wish to revert to a longer run up. I suspect Fraser is trying to protect Finn a little bit.

    Sometimes an otherwise excellent bowling coach has the wrong advice for a bowler. It was Troy Cooley, architect of England's 2005 Ashes win, who advised Jimmy to change his action to such disastrous effect. I wonder if Saker, an outswing bowler, just doesn't get Finn. Glenn McGrath's comments about learning to bowl to his own strengths ring true here.

  • on July 29, 2013, 15:51 GMT

    friends foremost I'm Not A Believer Of The Practice That Cutting Down On Pace and Run Up Will lead To Accuracy or Consistency. forget Durability in career. Leaving their natural flair and aggression is disastrous. Though their might be 100 of instances where in a bowler of bowling at 140+ regular speeds have slowed down and had an extended career. Remember J. Gillespie, Wasim Akram, Srinath, Zaheer, Ishant, Anderson etc.. But Ask Any Cricket Lover or for case Any Team Management Staff ... What SARFRAZ NAWAZ, WAQAR, SHOAIB, MALINGA, , ALAN DONALD, STYEN, MORKEL, LEE, AMBROSE, BOND ETC. Bring On Table. Sheer PACE !!! The Confidence Of Dominance On Any Pitch. The Belief To Bounce A Settled Out On Any Pitch Accross The Globe. FINN To Me Is On The Same League. Allow Him Confidence And Role For What His Talent Is In titled. He Is No Anderson, Macgrath, Walsh or Wasim. Allow Him To Be What He is !!!

  • trav29 on July 29, 2013, 15:41 GMT

    @maximum bresnan did a good job at lords but describing his bowling as brilliant is a bit of an exaggeration to say the least. he got 2 wickets off bad deliveries and a 3rd given out incorrectly by the umpire. he did an effective job but lets not overstate it.

    finn shouldn't have been picked for trent bridge. its been obvious watching him that he needs to get some games under his belt to get his rhythm back and this decision albeit too late should be a good one going forward.

    we are obviously going to play the same XI this week so keeping finn and onions hanging around as drinks carriers made no sense anyway.

  • 2.14istherunrate on July 29, 2013, 15:03 GMT

    Fraser is right. Finn is obviously a talent, but he needs to get sorted and not come on and bowl spells which haemorrhage runs as at Lords where, without too much imagination it is possible to say he almost lost us the game. Bresnan at Lords bowled brilliantly by contrast. Most of all Finn should regard this dropping as a huge opportunity for him to become the bowler everyone would like to see instead of bowling on a hope and a prayer. Good luck to him. He will be back sooner rather than later.

  • crockit on July 29, 2013, 14:34 GMT

    Pakistan have blooded several of their best quicks as teenagers. It is not an age thing. Anderson was class when introduced at 20 but got told to change his action to protect his body. Ironically the unnatural action ended up fostering a serious injury as well as causing him to lose a bit of pace, accuracy and confidence. It is when he returned to something more like his old action that things really improved. Last few years have merely been the icing on the cake as he has become cleverer and added variations.

    As for Finn its not an age thing either. He has hbeen class since his introduction and with adding a bit of muscle added a bit of pace. Its just a loss of form. Copntrary to what Fraser say if you watched him closely at trentbridge you could see run up issues - hesitation and moving out on the crease a bit in the last strides causing loss of throughput and rhythm and consequent loss of pace and accuracy. He needs a handful of county games.

  • CricketingStargazer on July 29, 2013, 14:23 GMT

    Steve Finn is going through his Jimmy Anderson phase right now. Jimmy A. was promoted to the Test side after a good World Cup in which he had been an injury call-up and was bowled into the ground against Zimbabwe and South Africa that summer. I can well remember the commentary team saying that he looked like someone in desperate need of a break well before the end of the that summer. After that the coaching staff started to tinker with his action and he completely lost it for about two years, rapidly losing his place to Simon Jones. Anderson could neither bowl accurately, nor take wickets and was an expensive luxury in the England attack. He played just 3 Tests in 2004, 1 in 2005 and 3 in 2006 until rehabilitated in New Zealand in 2008: before then his successes were sporadic, after they were continuous.

    Steve Finn has time on his side. As Jimmy Anderson did, he can re-invent himself and will do so. Right now though, a spell with Middlesex will work wonders for his confidence.

  • CricketingStargazer on July 29, 2013, 14:23 GMT

    Steve Finn is going through his Jimmy Anderson phase right now. Jimmy A. was promoted to the Test side after a good World Cup in which he had been an injury call-up and was bowled into the ground against Zimbabwe and South Africa that summer. I can well remember the commentary team saying that he looked like someone in desperate need of a break well before the end of the that summer. After that the coaching staff started to tinker with his action and he completely lost it for about two years, rapidly losing his place to Simon Jones. Anderson could neither bowl accurately, nor take wickets and was an expensive luxury in the England attack. He played just 3 Tests in 2004, 1 in 2005 and 3 in 2006 until rehabilitated in New Zealand in 2008: before then his successes were sporadic, after they were continuous.

    Steve Finn has time on his side. As Jimmy Anderson did, he can re-invent himself and will do so. Right now though, a spell with Middlesex will work wonders for his confidence.

  • crockit on July 29, 2013, 14:34 GMT

    Pakistan have blooded several of their best quicks as teenagers. It is not an age thing. Anderson was class when introduced at 20 but got told to change his action to protect his body. Ironically the unnatural action ended up fostering a serious injury as well as causing him to lose a bit of pace, accuracy and confidence. It is when he returned to something more like his old action that things really improved. Last few years have merely been the icing on the cake as he has become cleverer and added variations.

    As for Finn its not an age thing either. He has hbeen class since his introduction and with adding a bit of muscle added a bit of pace. Its just a loss of form. Copntrary to what Fraser say if you watched him closely at trentbridge you could see run up issues - hesitation and moving out on the crease a bit in the last strides causing loss of throughput and rhythm and consequent loss of pace and accuracy. He needs a handful of county games.

  • 2.14istherunrate on July 29, 2013, 15:03 GMT

    Fraser is right. Finn is obviously a talent, but he needs to get sorted and not come on and bowl spells which haemorrhage runs as at Lords where, without too much imagination it is possible to say he almost lost us the game. Bresnan at Lords bowled brilliantly by contrast. Most of all Finn should regard this dropping as a huge opportunity for him to become the bowler everyone would like to see instead of bowling on a hope and a prayer. Good luck to him. He will be back sooner rather than later.

  • trav29 on July 29, 2013, 15:41 GMT

    @maximum bresnan did a good job at lords but describing his bowling as brilliant is a bit of an exaggeration to say the least. he got 2 wickets off bad deliveries and a 3rd given out incorrectly by the umpire. he did an effective job but lets not overstate it.

    finn shouldn't have been picked for trent bridge. its been obvious watching him that he needs to get some games under his belt to get his rhythm back and this decision albeit too late should be a good one going forward.

    we are obviously going to play the same XI this week so keeping finn and onions hanging around as drinks carriers made no sense anyway.

  • on July 29, 2013, 15:51 GMT

    friends foremost I'm Not A Believer Of The Practice That Cutting Down On Pace and Run Up Will lead To Accuracy or Consistency. forget Durability in career. Leaving their natural flair and aggression is disastrous. Though their might be 100 of instances where in a bowler of bowling at 140+ regular speeds have slowed down and had an extended career. Remember J. Gillespie, Wasim Akram, Srinath, Zaheer, Ishant, Anderson etc.. But Ask Any Cricket Lover or for case Any Team Management Staff ... What SARFRAZ NAWAZ, WAQAR, SHOAIB, MALINGA, , ALAN DONALD, STYEN, MORKEL, LEE, AMBROSE, BOND ETC. Bring On Table. Sheer PACE !!! The Confidence Of Dominance On Any Pitch. The Belief To Bounce A Settled Out On Any Pitch Accross The Globe. FINN To Me Is On The Same League. Allow Him Confidence And Role For What His Talent Is In titled. He Is No Anderson, Macgrath, Walsh or Wasim. Allow Him To Be What He is !!!

  • 2MikeGattings on July 29, 2013, 16:53 GMT

    Clearly it's the right thing to give Finn more bowling with his county, under Fraser's watchful eye.

    As Middlesex's bowling coach Fraser will have copped a bit of criticism because Finn did not follow through on the adjustments Saker had made in NZ. Fraser says that it was Finn's wish to revert to a longer run up. I suspect Fraser is trying to protect Finn a little bit.

    Sometimes an otherwise excellent bowling coach has the wrong advice for a bowler. It was Troy Cooley, architect of England's 2005 Ashes win, who advised Jimmy to change his action to such disastrous effect. I wonder if Saker, an outswing bowler, just doesn't get Finn. Glenn McGrath's comments about learning to bowl to his own strengths ring true here.

  • Iddo555 on July 29, 2013, 17:19 GMT

    Finn could go on to be a great bowler, he has all the tools, he's very tall so gets bounce and he bowls quick, well over 90mph. That's where the good ends and bad begins, he's raw, he's erratic, he bowls too many four balls. He needs to spend some time working on his line and length and become a more consistent bowler, he needs to be able to dry the runs up even if he's not taking wickets. I'm sure he will be able to do it and when the time comes he will be a great bowler and a England quick for many years.

  • jb633 on July 29, 2013, 19:17 GMT

    I think the media, fans and selectors need to remember that Finn is a young man and needs to be treated carefully. Personally I have been disappointed with the way he has been handled. Firstly in the last ashes series he was dropped as the leading wicket taker in the series because he was too expensive. Now is that really the message you want to send a young strike bowler with twice the potential of Bresnan. If we had to play South Africa tomorrow who would you rather watch bowl at Amla and Kallis? Well lets not forget what those guys did to Bresnan and how Finn got wickets against the best players in the world. IMO Bresnan has never proven himself against good sides and Finn is by far the better prospect in the long run. I was disappointed that the selectors in 2010 exposed to the media that they thought he was too expensive. All this does is place more pressure on the young lad. When Bresnan went for 0-200 against SA last year the selectors never revealed he has no pace and no venom.

  • JG2704 on July 30, 2013, 8:22 GMT

    Fraser is a very level headed analyst , but I will say Eng seem to have different policies on different players.

  • oze13 on July 30, 2013, 8:23 GMT

    Has all the attributes of a fast bowler, speed and bounce. But, bowls far too many short and wide deliveries that are freebies for batsmen. Needs to bowl a lot smarter. As for the problem he had breaking the stumps as he bowled. A schoolboy would be embarrassed by such amateurism!