October 15, 2013

Anderson aims for 400 Test wickets

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Alison's Tea Break: Anderson aims for 400

England fast bowler James Anderson has his sights on taking 400 Test wickets, a milestone he said he could reach in around two years as long as he remains fit.

Anderson, currently with 329 Test wickets, is second on England's all-time wicket-takers list, behind Ian Botham (383).

"Just 71 more! I don't know. I'd like to think if I can stay fit, then I can do it," Anderson said to Alison Mitchell on her Tea Break series on ESPNcricinfo. "Because if I'm still playing in a couple of years' time, I've got to keep taking wickets to stay in the team. At the moment I'm really enjoying playing and being part of a successful team. That's what makes me happy and why I keep getting out of bed."

Anderson said being second on England's all-time list was "surreal". "Even when I started my international career I didn't think I'd get anywhere near that number of wickets, so being second on the list is still quite hard to believe."

Part of his success, Anderson said, he owes to David Saker, England's bowling coach. "There are still occasions when I need some technical advice. He's great at that too. Working out a batsman is something I've always enjoyed, and I think I'm fairly good at working out someone when I'm out there on the field, but I think actually planning and looking at video footage of people - that's an area that's got better over the years and he's great at that."

Giving an example of when Saker's input had an immediate impact on his wickets tally, Anderson talked about a session break in the 2013 Trent Bridge Ashes Test, when Saker suggested bowling cutters to Chris Rogers. "The first cutter I bowled at Rogers, he chipped at midwicket. I think he [Saker] once had a slip of the tongue and said, 'The bowlers are just putting his plans into place!' He should take a lot of credit because he's done a great job with us, but it is so satisfying when a plan comes off straight away."

Anderson is one of the most complete fast bowlers in the game today. He bowls conventional swing and seam, and has also had great success with reverse swing, which he learnt on the dry wickets of Old Trafford, early in his career.

But to achieve reverse swing, a bowler needs help from his fielders to "keep the ball in the right condition". Anderson said it took the England team some time to get a workable system going. "If you do one thing slightly wrong, it can take it another six overs to get it reversing. If you see us throwing it around the field it'll be straight from one person to another.

"We've got three people who look after it and the rest have to keep their hands off it. Obviously people have to field the ball so they've got to keep their hands dry as well. You'll see us in Sri Lanka, where everyone had towels in their trousers and so on. One problem is Matt Prior, because he is dripping wet the whole time."

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  • POSTED BY Hammond on | October 16, 2013, 22:54 GMT

    Jimmy Anderson is one of the best bowlers in the world at the moment. When he first started he was a bit of a one track pony in that his outswinger was predictable and he hadn't learned all the other tricks yet. Now he can swing the ball both ways at pace, can bowl the cutter when needed, has a decent bouncer and a good slower ball. He is the complete package. People that go on about his average should compare the first 5 years of his career to the second half. Whilst not up there with the all time greats anyone would kill to have a frontline bowler take 254 test wickets at an average of 27.8 with 11 5 wicket hauls in just 5 years? This bloke just keeps getting better. If he stays injury free he will certainly finish with over 400 test wickets, no matter where he plays.

  • POSTED BY Harlequin. on | October 16, 2013, 8:35 GMT

    Go Jimmy! A really likable player and a lesson to young players and aspiring coaches everywhere.

    Young players would do well to watch his hard work in every facet of the game. He works tirelessly at his bowling, forever perfecting his craft. Despite not being a natural batsman he has an astounding record for number of innings without a duck. And his catching is first class; often the sign of a diligent cricketer.

    Coaches would do well to look at what happened when they tried to remodel his action - a story which I'm sure most people here are aware of, and had it not happened, I'd bet that Jimmy would have passed 400 already and have his eyes set on 500.

  • POSTED BY Harmony111 on | October 19, 2013, 21:38 GMT

    @Hash_Tag:

    Just for the record, the last time I talked to you when you were in your Dravid_Grvitas persona, I had said you are intellectually dishonest cos on one hand you say Sachin was a selfish player cos most of his 100s resulted in India's defeat (which is not true at all) but when I asked you that would you call Dravid a selfish batsman cos his scored 3 100s in Eng tour where India had lost 0-4 but you never replied to that point of mine. Had you been an honest person you would have either conceded the falsity of your logic OR you would have called Dravid selfish too.

    The point of mine was not to say Dravid too was selfish but to show that your argument was wrong.

    Such kind of debates make you feel that I am attacking you LOL. But then you went on to make a new profile just to attack me. This is Ridiculous as well as Tragic.

    X says Jimmy is Great and I say no he is not. Why do you have such a massive problem with this opinion of mine? Why don't you spend your time elsewhere?

  • POSTED BY Harmony111 on | October 19, 2013, 20:51 GMT

    @Hash_Tag:

    Ah I had the inkling about it. You are Dravid_Gravitas using a new profile. The styles are very similar too. Besides the last time I talked to him about anything was months back and so no one other than he himself should remember it after the passage of so much time. It is to be noted that all this time you have focused exclusively on me and me only cos I am yet to see a comment by you on any forum where you addressed the article or someone else. All comments of yours are directed towards me and you never ever talk to anyone else. These are unmistakable signs of your grudge towards me.

    I had talked to Dravid_Gravitas i.e you about his obsession with Dravid and his repeated attempts to show Sachin in poor light. You must be a very sensitive person if you had to create a new profile exclusively to talk like this to me.

    Debating with someone is attacking in your eyes, what else can I say? Saying X is Good or Great is is attacking in your eyes, what else can I say?

  • POSTED BY Hash_Tag on | October 19, 2013, 19:27 GMT

    @Harmony111. You say - 4. "I attack other players & fans? Nope, I criticize them & I got that right". Truly you are a phenomenon. Paranoid, desperate and lacking in all logic. You ABSOLUTELY attack other players and fans. Continually you flame and provoke. It's clear that you are not even aware that you are doing it. There are hundreds of examples. You attack great players like Kallis, attack very fair minded saffers like @Greatest-game and Indians like @Gravitas with an equal frenzy. Do you deny it? This does not make you right or fair. It makes you paranoid. I react to you because you have earned it. You shame us all and cheapen this website. Your crusade against cricket players and cricket lovers world-wide is, as I have said several times before - a blight. If ANYONE ever had an inferiority complex then surely it was you. Do not assail me with your insults when you reply. I am utterly immune to them.

  • POSTED BY Harmony111 on | October 19, 2013, 18:03 GMT

    @Hash_Tag:

    1. ---" it does not bother me that other people from other countries praise their players. So what? Let them I say. Neither does it bother me that sometimes some people attack our team. So what?"---

    Indeed it bothers you only when I say that Jimmy is not a Great bowler but just a good bowler. Clearly you have a grudge against me.

    2. ---" when you decisively lose an argument"---

    Do you even have an argument? All you do is to say the opposite of what I say, ALWAYS.

    3. Reg your inferiority complex, why do you deny it? I have never ever seen you talking like this to an Eng fan, take the case of 5wombats & Si Baker. I never saw you talking like this to Biggus an Aussie. Your don't even comment otherwise on your own. You always react to me and only me. Clearly you are someone else and Hash_Tag is your secondary profile. Clear signs of inferiority complex.

    4. I attack other players & fans? Nope, I criticize them & I got that right. What's your problem?

  • POSTED BY Hash_Tag on | October 19, 2013, 17:13 GMT

    @Harmony111. I see that you once again are twisting the argument. I never claimed that you criticized Anderson. Unlike you it does not bother me that other people from other countries praise their players. So what? Let them I say. Neither does it bother me that sometimes some people attack our team. So what? If they want to make themselves appear foolish - then let them I say. But you dear fellow commit all the sins that you accuse them of, namely: you attack players of other countries (Kallis for example), you attack their fans, and then you claim to be fair minded and entitled to your own opinion when they hit back. And please tell me why, when you decisively lose an argument, do you always resort to and hide behind insults? For example: " inferiority complex that prevents you from speaking out". It is interesting that you should raise the issue of an "inferiority complex". In my experience only people with an "inferiority complex" behave as you do.

  • POSTED BY Harmony111 on | October 19, 2013, 10:19 GMT

    @Hash_Tag:

    Once again you seem to accept what others say at their face value and reject mine. Had you read a bit more here then you would have seen that Shane-Oh used the word great for Jimmy and so did Optic and yet you are talking only about FFL. Incredible. Note that Optic categorically stated that he does not think Jimmy is Great yet he ended his comments using just that word.

    If others have a right to have their opinion then do I not have the same right? If others can praise their players then can I not criticize them? Where am I criticizing Jimmy anyways? I am saying he is good but no great. If you got a problem with that then it indeed is your own problem.

    At the same time you seem to have no problem with the huge criticism these same guys make of Ind players & just about everything Indian. I have never seen you saying to these guys & this indicates you got an inferiority complex that prevents you from speaking out.

    Btw you never seem to be around when I praise others. Why?

  • POSTED BY Harmony111 on | October 19, 2013, 10:08 GMT

    @Hash_Tag:

    Once again you seem to accept what others say at their face value and reject mine. Had you read a bit more here then you would have seen that Shane-Oh used the word great for Jimmy and so did Optic and yet you are talking only about FFL. Incredible. Note that Optic categorically stated that he does not think Jimmy is Great yet he ended his comments using just that word.

    If others have a right to have their opinion then do I not have the same right? If others can praise their players then can I not criticize them? Where am I criticizing Jimmy anyways? I am saying he is good but no great. If you got a problem with that then it indeed is your own problem.

    At the same time you seem to have no problem with the huge criticism these same guys make of Ind players & just about everything Indian. I have never seen you saying to these guys & this indicates you got an inferiority complex that prevents you from speaking out.

    Btw you never seem to be around when I praise others. Why?

  • POSTED BY Hash_Tag on | October 19, 2013, 9:24 GMT

    @Harmony111 on (October 19, 2013, 6:58 GMT) to @Optic. @Harmony - you really aren't bothered at all about embarrassing yourself with your own logic (or lack thereof) are you? Front foot lunge is not "all England fans". Front foot lunge is not even the majority of England fans. Front foot lunge is actually someone with whom you share many characteristics. You both are pranksters. Why does it bother you so much that countries other than ours have good players? Why does it bother you so much when people from other countries praise their good players? Come on man, you are so full of your own opinion - but your opinion is only that - opinion. Opinion is not fact. Let others have their opinion of their players, what has it to do with you if you don't like it?

  • POSTED BY Hammond on | October 16, 2013, 22:54 GMT

    Jimmy Anderson is one of the best bowlers in the world at the moment. When he first started he was a bit of a one track pony in that his outswinger was predictable and he hadn't learned all the other tricks yet. Now he can swing the ball both ways at pace, can bowl the cutter when needed, has a decent bouncer and a good slower ball. He is the complete package. People that go on about his average should compare the first 5 years of his career to the second half. Whilst not up there with the all time greats anyone would kill to have a frontline bowler take 254 test wickets at an average of 27.8 with 11 5 wicket hauls in just 5 years? This bloke just keeps getting better. If he stays injury free he will certainly finish with over 400 test wickets, no matter where he plays.

  • POSTED BY Harlequin. on | October 16, 2013, 8:35 GMT

    Go Jimmy! A really likable player and a lesson to young players and aspiring coaches everywhere.

    Young players would do well to watch his hard work in every facet of the game. He works tirelessly at his bowling, forever perfecting his craft. Despite not being a natural batsman he has an astounding record for number of innings without a duck. And his catching is first class; often the sign of a diligent cricketer.

    Coaches would do well to look at what happened when they tried to remodel his action - a story which I'm sure most people here are aware of, and had it not happened, I'd bet that Jimmy would have passed 400 already and have his eyes set on 500.

  • POSTED BY Harmony111 on | October 19, 2013, 21:38 GMT

    @Hash_Tag:

    Just for the record, the last time I talked to you when you were in your Dravid_Grvitas persona, I had said you are intellectually dishonest cos on one hand you say Sachin was a selfish player cos most of his 100s resulted in India's defeat (which is not true at all) but when I asked you that would you call Dravid a selfish batsman cos his scored 3 100s in Eng tour where India had lost 0-4 but you never replied to that point of mine. Had you been an honest person you would have either conceded the falsity of your logic OR you would have called Dravid selfish too.

    The point of mine was not to say Dravid too was selfish but to show that your argument was wrong.

    Such kind of debates make you feel that I am attacking you LOL. But then you went on to make a new profile just to attack me. This is Ridiculous as well as Tragic.

    X says Jimmy is Great and I say no he is not. Why do you have such a massive problem with this opinion of mine? Why don't you spend your time elsewhere?

  • POSTED BY Harmony111 on | October 19, 2013, 20:51 GMT

    @Hash_Tag:

    Ah I had the inkling about it. You are Dravid_Gravitas using a new profile. The styles are very similar too. Besides the last time I talked to him about anything was months back and so no one other than he himself should remember it after the passage of so much time. It is to be noted that all this time you have focused exclusively on me and me only cos I am yet to see a comment by you on any forum where you addressed the article or someone else. All comments of yours are directed towards me and you never ever talk to anyone else. These are unmistakable signs of your grudge towards me.

    I had talked to Dravid_Gravitas i.e you about his obsession with Dravid and his repeated attempts to show Sachin in poor light. You must be a very sensitive person if you had to create a new profile exclusively to talk like this to me.

    Debating with someone is attacking in your eyes, what else can I say? Saying X is Good or Great is is attacking in your eyes, what else can I say?

  • POSTED BY Hash_Tag on | October 19, 2013, 19:27 GMT

    @Harmony111. You say - 4. "I attack other players & fans? Nope, I criticize them & I got that right". Truly you are a phenomenon. Paranoid, desperate and lacking in all logic. You ABSOLUTELY attack other players and fans. Continually you flame and provoke. It's clear that you are not even aware that you are doing it. There are hundreds of examples. You attack great players like Kallis, attack very fair minded saffers like @Greatest-game and Indians like @Gravitas with an equal frenzy. Do you deny it? This does not make you right or fair. It makes you paranoid. I react to you because you have earned it. You shame us all and cheapen this website. Your crusade against cricket players and cricket lovers world-wide is, as I have said several times before - a blight. If ANYONE ever had an inferiority complex then surely it was you. Do not assail me with your insults when you reply. I am utterly immune to them.

  • POSTED BY Harmony111 on | October 19, 2013, 18:03 GMT

    @Hash_Tag:

    1. ---" it does not bother me that other people from other countries praise their players. So what? Let them I say. Neither does it bother me that sometimes some people attack our team. So what?"---

    Indeed it bothers you only when I say that Jimmy is not a Great bowler but just a good bowler. Clearly you have a grudge against me.

    2. ---" when you decisively lose an argument"---

    Do you even have an argument? All you do is to say the opposite of what I say, ALWAYS.

    3. Reg your inferiority complex, why do you deny it? I have never ever seen you talking like this to an Eng fan, take the case of 5wombats & Si Baker. I never saw you talking like this to Biggus an Aussie. Your don't even comment otherwise on your own. You always react to me and only me. Clearly you are someone else and Hash_Tag is your secondary profile. Clear signs of inferiority complex.

    4. I attack other players & fans? Nope, I criticize them & I got that right. What's your problem?

  • POSTED BY Hash_Tag on | October 19, 2013, 17:13 GMT

    @Harmony111. I see that you once again are twisting the argument. I never claimed that you criticized Anderson. Unlike you it does not bother me that other people from other countries praise their players. So what? Let them I say. Neither does it bother me that sometimes some people attack our team. So what? If they want to make themselves appear foolish - then let them I say. But you dear fellow commit all the sins that you accuse them of, namely: you attack players of other countries (Kallis for example), you attack their fans, and then you claim to be fair minded and entitled to your own opinion when they hit back. And please tell me why, when you decisively lose an argument, do you always resort to and hide behind insults? For example: " inferiority complex that prevents you from speaking out". It is interesting that you should raise the issue of an "inferiority complex". In my experience only people with an "inferiority complex" behave as you do.

  • POSTED BY Harmony111 on | October 19, 2013, 10:19 GMT

    @Hash_Tag:

    Once again you seem to accept what others say at their face value and reject mine. Had you read a bit more here then you would have seen that Shane-Oh used the word great for Jimmy and so did Optic and yet you are talking only about FFL. Incredible. Note that Optic categorically stated that he does not think Jimmy is Great yet he ended his comments using just that word.

    If others have a right to have their opinion then do I not have the same right? If others can praise their players then can I not criticize them? Where am I criticizing Jimmy anyways? I am saying he is good but no great. If you got a problem with that then it indeed is your own problem.

    At the same time you seem to have no problem with the huge criticism these same guys make of Ind players & just about everything Indian. I have never seen you saying to these guys & this indicates you got an inferiority complex that prevents you from speaking out.

    Btw you never seem to be around when I praise others. Why?

  • POSTED BY Harmony111 on | October 19, 2013, 10:08 GMT

    @Hash_Tag:

    Once again you seem to accept what others say at their face value and reject mine. Had you read a bit more here then you would have seen that Shane-Oh used the word great for Jimmy and so did Optic and yet you are talking only about FFL. Incredible. Note that Optic categorically stated that he does not think Jimmy is Great yet he ended his comments using just that word.

    If others have a right to have their opinion then do I not have the same right? If others can praise their players then can I not criticize them? Where am I criticizing Jimmy anyways? I am saying he is good but no great. If you got a problem with that then it indeed is your own problem.

    At the same time you seem to have no problem with the huge criticism these same guys make of Ind players & just about everything Indian. I have never seen you saying to these guys & this indicates you got an inferiority complex that prevents you from speaking out.

    Btw you never seem to be around when I praise others. Why?

  • POSTED BY Hash_Tag on | October 19, 2013, 9:24 GMT

    @Harmony111 on (October 19, 2013, 6:58 GMT) to @Optic. @Harmony - you really aren't bothered at all about embarrassing yourself with your own logic (or lack thereof) are you? Front foot lunge is not "all England fans". Front foot lunge is not even the majority of England fans. Front foot lunge is actually someone with whom you share many characteristics. You both are pranksters. Why does it bother you so much that countries other than ours have good players? Why does it bother you so much when people from other countries praise their good players? Come on man, you are so full of your own opinion - but your opinion is only that - opinion. Opinion is not fact. Let others have their opinion of their players, what has it to do with you if you don't like it?

  • POSTED BY Harmony111 on | October 19, 2013, 7:58 GMT

    @Optic: The difference between you and me is that while we both are aware of the stats of Jimmy, you present them as proof of his greatness (whether an all time on or merely Eng one) and I present them as a proof of Jimmy being very good in certain conditions and being very ordinary in some other conditions. Perhaps you think I dislike or hate Jimmy. Absolutely not. I have said this numerous times here that I really enjoy Jimmy's bowling and he would be one of my first choices to bowl in Eng conditions cos he can get the most out of them than anyone else. However, your inherent bias prevents you from seeing the severe limitations Jimmy has when he has to bowl in unfamiliar conditions.

    You contradict yourself here when first you said that no one ever claims Jimmy is an all time great bowler & then in the end you yourself claim that Steyn & Jimmy are the only two great bowlers around. Note that Steyn is ack to be an all time great so you imply that Jimmy is an all time great too. Wow.

  • POSTED BY Lmaotsetung on | October 19, 2013, 1:22 GMT

    @ Natx - I guess you fall in the category of "if you can't convince them, confuse them." Just another typical one eyed poster who resort to getting off topic when his/her initial post is taken apart. Don't let facts and numbers get in your way I guess.

  • POSTED BY Optic on | October 18, 2013, 22:52 GMT

    @Harmony111 Seriously you're full of it. Find me these articles and serious England fans, not wind up merchants like FFL that put Anderson up there with the likes of Marshall, Hadlee, Ambrose, Donald etc, please show me. The trouble is you don't seem to know the difference between someone like Anderson getting praise as an English great, not an all time great, there's a difference. What makes the Anderson story all the better is how he got here, after having his action messed with on a number of occasions, being in and out of the side carrying water for 5 or 6 years. Coming back from a serious stress fracture of the back. To a bowler under bowling coach Saker the last few years has taken 173 test wickets in all conditions at a average of 25.87 econ 2.74 s/r 56.5. He hasn't been a great bowler all his career, no one has EVER said that but the last few years along with Steyn they have been the only 2 genuine great bowlers around. Whether you agree or not is irrelevant tbh.

  • POSTED BY Optic on | October 18, 2013, 22:39 GMT

    @ Natx I know logic and facts are irrelevant to people like you & Harmony but anyway, you say Anderson is only good at home but yet fail to notice that England have played quite a lot in the sub continent lately as well as Aus. He's averaged 26 in the sub continent the last 3 years, against India, SL and Pakistan. He also averaged 26 in Aus last time. You say you've never seen Steyn or McGrath getting carted even in T20 games, you must be joking, Steyn regularly gets smashed around in T20, seen it loads of time in the IPL, I remember KP smashing him around in T20 the year England won. The funny thing is Steyn and Anderson average exactly the same in 50 over cricket 29, but hey don't let that get i the way of you're rant. McGrath got carted a number of times, all bowlers do. I remember him getting smashed by SL, India and NZ. He went for 62 off 8 overs against India, 70 odd off NZ, 76 off 9 against SL, 67 off 8 overs against Pak.

  • POSTED BY Hash_Tag on | October 18, 2013, 20:44 GMT

    @Harmony111 as usual your self rightousness and your ability to twist or ignore logic prove to be your undoing. Just because you say that England fans say that Anderson is great - that doesn't mean that England fans actually do say that. In fact largely they do not. I rarely see it. But what I do see is you coming onto other peoples forums - and flaming those forums with your very unique twisting and turning, attempting as always to stir up trouble and draw attention to yourself. Sir - have you nothing better to do with your time than to waste it on such shallow pursuits?

  • POSTED BY Harmony111 on | October 18, 2013, 17:32 GMT

    @YorkshirePudding: I said you climbed down cos your stand that Anderson is no World Great is quite at variance with what the stand of a huge no of Eng fans has been here. I think I don't need to prove my assertion here, take any article involving Eng and you would find numerous ppl making this claim. The pre-Ashes articles and the ones after the 1st test were especially full of such claims. Now apparently you are an Eng fan too so now to see an Eng fan say that no no Jimmy is no Great is definitely a climb down.

    Even if we ignore what was claimed in the past and what you claim now, Jimmy's over all record & even his last 5 yrs record when he has been at his best shows that Jimmy just can't be called a great bowler. I hope that now this settles the issue but I know fully well that the next time Jimmy takes 4-5 wickets in a test the same ppl will be out again making same kind of noises. I suspect you would be among them too but we shall see.

  • POSTED BY Natx on | October 18, 2013, 15:16 GMT

    @YorkshirePudding - true, there are plenty of other bowlers that have taken more than 300 and we are not here to discuss them all. The discussion is about Anderson (not vaas or brett lee) and how he compares with Steyn (who is considered the best of current lot) and some of the past greats from different countries. If thats the criteria then we need to run this against a big list. But does anyone call all of them as greats? I doubt. Then we are doing disservice to other greats. Some one brought up a point on strike rate which is a key measure to further drill this down. I would weigh it for both home and away matches to see where they stack up.

  • POSTED BY Natx on | October 18, 2013, 14:56 GMT

    @Lmaotsetung - who asked him to play less matches abroad? The truth of the matter is Poms are poor travellers.Always some reasoning, stomach bug, personal issues back home, cant take the heat, etc. Keep complaining, and play only at home! I rather like folks like Cook and peterson who rather are determined and prove everyone that they are best in business. Even Freddie for that matter who is a true fighter. Anderson types are only good at home. Not sure If you remember the beating (went for 80 odd runs) he got during the recent World cup. I dont remember seeing steyn or Mcgrath were carted like that even in T20's. :-)

  • POSTED BY YorkshirePudding on | October 18, 2013, 11:05 GMT

    @Harmony111, at what point have I climbed down, and as I said no level headed fan (FYI, FFL is not that level headed) would consider Anderson a world great.

    I have never claimed that Anderson is a world great and always stated that he is the best of his generation within england and will go down as an England great along with Trueman, Statham, Botham and Willis, and it will be debated how good he is in terms of them.

    The final point comparing across generations is always difficult as rules and conditions change that is why all time great teams are so debatable, would Anderson have taken more wickets had he played on uncovered wickets, probably would Trueman have taken as many as cheaply on modern wickets, probably not, however we dont know for certain.

  • POSTED BY Lmaotsetung on | October 18, 2013, 10:57 GMT

    @ Natx (cont'd) - If we look at the #1 fast bowler in the world, Dale Steyn...his stats are similar 42.4% matches played outside SA and 39.9% of his wickets are from away matches. There are number, then there are numbers and then there are darn lies! Not that this will shut up the anti JA critics but once again, nice try!

  • POSTED BY Harmony111 on | October 18, 2013, 9:56 GMT

    @YorkshirePudding: No one is claiming that Jimmy is a great bowler? I think you have not read what FFL routinely says for him. Even here, you can see what a certain Shane-oh says for Jimmy.

    I see your comment as a climb-down since the original claims have no basis so now the claim is being shifted from Jimmy's greatness to his goodness. 4 wickets per test in exceedingly fav conditions actually takes care of that goodness claim too. But yeah I' too have always said that in his kind of conditions Jimmy is quite a lovely bowler who can take or has taken a lot of wickets that way. I like Jimmy a lot but I don't like the way some people try to over-sell him.

  • POSTED BY YorkshirePudding on | October 18, 2013, 9:17 GMT

    @Harmony111, I'm not sure anyone in thier right minds is claiming Anderson is a great. however he is going to go down as one of the greatest england bowlers of his generation and his figures compare very favourably with botham.

    When comparing to english greats of other ears it has to be considered that they played largley on uncovered pitches which often gave them a lot more assistance than modern pitches.

    @Natx, I think you might find in terms of average Brett lee is the bottom of the pile of those that have taken 300+ wickets interms of average and in a group that includes Vas, Dev and Lee,Ntini (variance 2 rpw), In terms of SR hes in the same group as Botham, Walsh and Pollock. (Variance of 1.4 bpw) from Botham to Anderson.

  • POSTED BY Harmony111 on | October 18, 2013, 8:00 GMT

    @Lmaotsetung: Actually those stats conclusively prove that Jimmy is hardly a great bowler. He has 329 wickets in 87 tests at an avg of 30+. Even in ENGLISH CONDITIONS that you want us to consider while analyzing his AWAY RECORD, his avg is 27+. Most top class bowlers are supposed to avg in the low 20s & are supposed to go below at least 25. It is just like the batting avg of 50-55. Jimmy is no where close to this benchmark. A guy who plays majority of his tests AT HOME and when those HOME conditions are the famed ENGLISH conditions then he has a twin advantage over any other bowler and so he must ideally be avg less than 20 if he is really a great bowler. But we see that even with these huge advantages Jimmy still fails quite short of all benchmarks that make a great bowler.

    Even at HOME Jimmy barely takes 4 wickets per test match. This is quite a pathetic stat and it completely demolishes any claim of greatness made for Jimmy by any of his smitten conceited fans.

  • POSTED BY Lmaotsetung on | October 18, 2013, 6:59 GMT

    @ Natx - have you considered the ratio of games he played away as opposed to home. I can pick any stats and make my argument look good. In case you didn't bother checking the full facts here are the numbers for you. Jimmy has played 33 matches away from home from a total of 87 tests. That's 37.9% of matches played away from home so his ratio of wicket haul away from home is not far from his ratio of matches played away from home. In fact we can argue from the stats that he's equally good away from home as he is playing in English conditions. NICE TRY! but better luck next time.

  • POSTED BY Natx on | October 17, 2013, 23:09 GMT

    Here is a sample list of fast bowlers that have taken more than 300 wickets and percentage of their wickets abroad. As one would observe, Anderson is at the bottom of the pile. Is he considered great as all the poms are claiming him to be? No, he has only taken more wickets at home compared to the other greats. Hope this shuts-off the who is best discussion.

    Anderson: Total: 329; Away: 107; Away %: 32.5 Dennis Lillee: Total: 355; Away: 124; Away %: 34.93 Dale Steyn: Total: 336; Away: 134; Away %: 39.9 Botham: Total: 387; Away: 157; Away %: 40.6 McGrath: Total:563; Away: 260; Away %: 46.2 Allan Donad: Total: 330; Away: 153; Away %: 46.4 Kapil Dev: Total: 434; Away: 215; Away %: 49.54 Ambrose: Total:405; Away: 202: Away %: 49.9 Waqar Younis: Total: 373; Away: 197; Away %: 52.8 Richard Hadlee: Total: 431; Away: 230; Away %: 53.4 Imran Khan: Total: 362; Away: 199; Away %: 55.0 Wasim Akram: Total: 414; Away: 255; Away %: 61.6

  • POSTED BY Harmony111 on | October 17, 2013, 20:34 GMT

    @shane-oh: You wrongly assumed that I did not speak from facts and that wrong assumption caused your quick fall here. You rejected my opinions as mere theory while you presented your own opinions as some sort of gospel fact. What sort of reasonable thinking is that? Your opinion is as good as mine so why reject mine without even looking into it?

    Your tame attempt to twist stats of 27 vs 35 by saying that he is so good his HOME avg is 8 below his AWAY avg when both the figures are quite high shows how desperately you are trying to prove a false claim. Then you say you are no particular fan of Jimmy yet you want to defend him to your obliteration. Who does it like this?

    I am chuckling to see that you have not been seen here after I destroyed your "Diff of 8 between HOME & AWAY" comment for Jimmy.

  • POSTED BY A_Vacant_Slip on | October 17, 2013, 17:22 GMT

    @HumungousFungus (October 17, 2013, 14:08 GMT) @gsingh7 Zaheer Khan Test bowling average in India 35.87. Jimmy Anderson Test bowling average in India 29.81. Just saying... Yes yes very good. That one is not well informed and he never take account of any fact. Truth is Jimmy is better in India than Zaheer Khan in India... ha ha! I think you got him ha ha! I forgot how much fun this website can be ha ha ha!

  • POSTED BY 2.14istherunrate on | October 17, 2013, 15:38 GMT

    I forgot to mention a couple of things about Jimmy which strike me. he has been the best outfielder for years. When he started playing regularly one would see catches taken which were a class and a half beyond most of the side and I would think-'that's Anderson.' and lo and behold the fielder would get up and of course it was Anderson. He has brilliant hands, and though he made a couple of errors in 2011 he should resume close in for Swann, I think. He seems to understand the mechanics of his action so well now that he can do what he wants with the ball. But why,oh why did the fools who changed his action first up not leave him alone. It was ghastly and a salutory lesson to anyone to do their own natural thing. If it fits at 18 it probably does at 30.

  • POSTED BY HumungousFungus on | October 17, 2013, 15:08 GMT

    @gsingh7 Zaheer Khan Test bowling average in India 35.87. Jimmy Anderson Test bowling average in India 29.81. Just saying...

  • POSTED BY brusselslion on | October 17, 2013, 12:12 GMT

    To date, 26 bowlers have taken 300+ Test wickets, so if Anderson is such a poor bowler,what does that make the 99% of Test bowlers who have taken fewer wickets than him!

  • POSTED BY trav29 on | October 17, 2013, 7:30 GMT

    always makes me laugh any time there is an article on here about an England bowlers we get the usual suspects running them down about how poor they are

    if they are so bad then what does that say about the poster's own teams who we have consistently taken 20 wickets again with these "poor" bowlers and managed to beat india and Australia home and away in the last two series respectively

  • POSTED BY jimbond on | October 17, 2013, 6:58 GMT

    Jimmy is 31, next two years should be his best. Remaining fit is the key. In recent times, England has been more focused on test cricket than other teams, and has been playing more test matches as well, as compared to other teams. If the same trend continues, overhauling records for England's leading bowler is pretty easy. I wouldn't totally disregard gsingh7's argument. Anderson has had better bowling conditions than the subcontinental bowlers(and in recent times WI bowlers as well). However bowling effectively in English conditions also requires a skill- which Anderson does have more than others (In another era we did had have average subcontinental bowlers like Chetan Sharma or Agarkar creating havoc in English conditions- but that time has passed). Along with Steyn, Philander, Mohammed Aamir (whenever his ban ends) and possibly Roach, Anderson represents the cream of pace bowling now.Here's hoping that he retains his fitness and form in the years to come and overhauls 400.

  • POSTED BY ODI_BestFormOfCricket on | October 17, 2013, 6:57 GMT

    how on earth eng fans compare anderson with pointing? Pointing will be in top 10, anderson will not have a place in top25 atleast!

  • POSTED BY balajik1968 on | October 17, 2013, 5:53 GMT

    One of the best bowlers in the world today, he has set a realistic target. He is fit, but we don't know what his state of mind will be after the winter. Back to back series could take a lot out of him. Also he is 30, and if he gets injured, possible considering the workload, he is at the age after which bowlers heal slower

  • POSTED BY 5wombats on | October 17, 2013, 4:51 GMT

    @gsingh7 (October 16, 2013, 19:08 GMT) what on earth are you talking about; "still zaheer had better figures and in 2010 he was pivotal in india winning series in england".... How is this possible when India didn't play a single game in England in 2010 in any format? Check your facts bud. When India DID come to England in 2011 we all saw what happened. When England, and Jimmy, went to India in 2012 we all saw what happened there too. Wasn't it captain Dhoni who after England had defeated India in India in 2012 said that Jimmy Anderson was the difference between Indian and England? If that was good enough for him then it should be good enough for you. Make illogical comments if you like - but please don't make factually incorrect ones.

  • POSTED BY Natx on | October 17, 2013, 3:11 GMT

    Absolutely. We can't believe it as well :-) Not sure what the stats are but most of his wickets must have come at England where it seems. It's like Murali getting 300+ on SL wickets or Lillee getting his 200+ wickets in Australia. If the counts and % exceed the number of his home country significantly, a bowler can be considered the best. Only the Windies bowlers of old plus Walsh & Ambrose, and McGrath (due to his famous off-stump line) stands out. Imran, Wasim and Waqar could claim the next best in line and there ends the talk of being the best. Of the current lot, I don't see anyone even a planet close to where Steyn is. Agreed, he is having a poor game/series in UAE and that doesn't change that taught too much, as he has fared much better in sub-continent pitches in the past. If the Anderson supporters bring the point of his recent show in India, I would like to redirect them to the records of Ian Botham, Neil Foster and Matt Hoggard who have done better than him in the past.

  • POSTED BY hhillbumper on | October 16, 2013, 23:50 GMT

    @ gsingh7.Every time there is an England post up you pop.Tino Best has poorer figures than Anderson,as does Irfan and Morkel.Siddle is normally good for one test then busts for a while.Tell you what next year your bowlers can play on our green seamers,like we had all summer despite the lack of water, and we can see who does best. Get your excuses ready early because if England play like they can and should do you lose again.

  • POSTED BY Lets_Bash_Indians on | October 16, 2013, 23:17 GMT

    Of course, he will,,,,BY looking at the no of tests they are playing in short period,, ,,, just set the schedule for another 15-20 test matches in next year at their home,, he may can try for murali's record

    & not to forget the assistance of Patches of grass set for him, so that he can get it comfortably B'coz even his team Knows,, on a Dry track in England(let alone subcontinent) he is another Jade Dernbach,

  • POSTED BY R_U_4_REAL_NICK on | October 16, 2013, 22:48 GMT

    My goodness - such a load of sour grapes from non-British cricket fans. Some of the bowlers people are trying to compare Anderson with are laughable to say the least. Plus one of the vital ingredients to swing bowling (especially in UK conditions) is to keep the speed down; gun-barrel straight bowling by speed-obsessed erratic bowlers get's you nowhere.

    Jimmy Anderson's career reminds me of a bowling version of Ricky Ponting: I've scarcely seen such players out of their comfort zones and looking for all the world like they'd never succeed in tests at the beginning of their careers, only to turn it completely around. Look what happened to Ponting, and look what's happened to Jimmy! Few would have believed he'd ever get to 300 wickets, so to get to 400 is a nice reasonable, achievable target to aim for. Now go get 'em Jimmy!

  • POSTED BY 2.14istherunrate on | October 16, 2013, 22:05 GMT

    400-why stop there? 450/500 should be within compass. Has Zaheer played since limping off at Lords in 2011? Indians should go read an article headlined about Zaheer. This article ain't and whatever Zaheer has done he's done. This guy on the other hand is like a wizard. I love watching him play with batsmen. He's a funny character. Absolutely no act. he is what he is-a lad from Lancashire. In these days of B/S and hype he has none it seems. Re the Tendulkar ball in 2007-best ball ever?

  • POSTED BY gsingh7 on | October 16, 2013, 20:08 GMT

    anderson playing majority of cricket on english green tracks under cloud cover and compare that to indian bowlers zaheer and now bhuvi who play on flat rank turners with no seam and high temperatures with wet balls due to dew and high humidity. still zaheer had better figures and in 2010 he was pivotal in india winning series oin england. jimmy pales when compared to present bowlers like styen or philander or past greats like wasim or waqar who bowled on even flatter tracks of pakistan. still 400 wickets wud be good achievement but seaming wickets and cloud cover puts a dampner , i wud say.

  • POSTED BY gsingh7 on | October 16, 2013, 19:45 GMT

    ANDERSON is lowering expectations . he cud claim 400 if he plays majority on english green tops. on flat tracks with no swing, he is predictable and averages high. let him finish his career before we put crown of best fast bowler on his head. styen philander pattinson morkel,bhuvneshwar, irfan(7 feet), siddle, tino best roach all are much better than anderson when it comes to impact match in tight situations. wish he can finish 400 though. in english test history no bowler have taken 400 wickets no batsman have scored 10000 runs. wonder when will that stat change.

  • POSTED BY Lmaotsetung on | October 16, 2013, 19:05 GMT

    As usual the Jummy bashers are out in full force once again. Brings a smile to my face to see that I can always rely on an Jimmy Anderson article on cricinfo to see irrational commentary from our dear Indian fans. At least the saffa fans are staying away as they have plenty on their plate with the on going Pak series :P

  • POSTED BY hhillbumper on | October 16, 2013, 19:04 GMT

    @Bcci Expert. Yeah Zaheer Khan is currently second best bowler in the world.Over his career how many matches did he win abroad where conditions are easier? Anderson helped win series in New Zealand,India,and Australia. While not wishing to demean your bowling stocks but Khan only became effective after playing for Worcs and getting some proper cricket with some skilful technicians. If you want a really skilful bowler we could talk about Srinath but seeing as most Indian fans seem to have no more memory then ten years ago may be he does not register with you.

  • POSTED BY ADARSH100 on | October 16, 2013, 18:51 GMT

    best of luck jimmy :) A fan of you from india

  • POSTED BY Harmony111 on | October 16, 2013, 18:49 GMT

    @JG2704:

    Nope JG, I say is it a comical target precisely for the opposite of what you say. He already has 329 wickets and 400 wickets is quite attainable for him. What sort of a target is that? You aim for the improbable, not for what u know u will get anyhow. Anderson has talked of an aim which is not big enough. It is actually a lose-lose scenario for him. Had he said he wants to take 600 wickets then ppl would have made fun of him saying he thinks too much of him and now that he says he wants 400 wickets he is again getting flak. The best way is to keep quiet and let the records talk but sadly, Anderson does not have that luxury too cos his record immediately lays open his limitations. Very poor statement by him on all accounts.

    Indeed, "YOUR" fans are happy with him but the RoW knows the truth. The only saving grace is that Anderson is a 100% English.

  • POSTED BY Harmony111 on | October 16, 2013, 16:37 GMT

    @shane-oh:

    Your point where you talk so highly about the diff of 8 for Jimmy is quite laughable. I can now see why you failed to see the relevance of that Agarkar's point of mine.

    Jimmy's home avg is 27. HOME avg. There is absolutely nothing special about this. If you yourself admit that you never claimed so then why did you mention his stats at all? Even Jimmy's HOME avg is nothing special as per you so what was your point? None as far as I can see. Diff of 8 with the base being 27? Had the base been 19 then I might have agreed with you. Is this what you say is your logical way?

  • POSTED BY Selassie-I on | October 16, 2013, 15:31 GMT

    Always great to see everyone slate Jimmy, yes he's not as good as steyn, otherwise he's the 2nd best 'fast' bowler in the world at the moment, there can be no disagreement with that. Anyone who wouldn't put him in a wolrd XI is clearly a few snadwiches short of a picnic.

    Anyone who has seen him bowl over the last few years would have some difficulty not appreciating his skill with the ball, he has excellent seam potition, swings it both ways with a barely discernable action, reverses it, has excellent control and bowls witha fair nip - the only thing he misses is being able to bowl at 90+mph, but he bowls near 90 which is good enough when you've got that control and skill.

  • POSTED BY IndianEagle on | October 16, 2013, 13:50 GMT

    zaheer khan is better bowler than anderson bcz he played more in flat tracks and picks nearly equal number of anderson's

  • POSTED BY HumungousFungus on | October 16, 2013, 13:33 GMT

    An admirable goal for an admirable cricketer. Jimmy is, realistically, considerably closer to the end of his career than the beginning, and the goals he is setting himself here are realistic and achievable ones, which I hope he manages. His form since his 'second wind' in the England team (beginning in New Zealand in 2008) has been remarkably consistent, and he has taken wickets wherever he played. I wish him the best of luck in his quest. @chona: There are many English cricket watchers who DO rate Statham higher than Trueman, and Statham's record in Tests would have been considerably better than it is (and it's already pretty good) had he not done the job he so unselfishly did in the team (nearly always bowling at the wrong end, into the wind etc). Both Trueman and Tyson owe a significant number of their Test wickets and achievements to pressure that was being exerted at the other end by Statham. Glenn McGrath bowling 90 mph plus = Brian Statham.

  • POSTED BY shane-oh on | October 16, 2013, 11:57 GMT

    @ - Harmony111 - I'll explain it again, and try to dumb it down a little more: Difference of 8 between home average and away average = normal. Claim this mean no good bowler = not make sense. Facts = Anderson one of best bowlers in world currently.

    Are you following?

    We agree on one thing - overall his stats are not "ground shaking". That's why I never claimed they are. If you back through the thread to look before you lost your way in this debate, you will see that you tried to argue Anderson only achieves good results at home, and I proved conclusively this is not the case. You've lost direction here, get back on track son!

  • POSTED BY oval77 on | October 16, 2013, 11:30 GMT

    Odd to see a cricket player criticised for setting realistic goals. Admittedly this does seem to be only by India fans... hmm... I wonder what the connection is?

    One thing, Mr Harmony, is clear: there is not a single India seamer that any team in the world would want over Anderson. In fact there are no current Indian seamers that any team in the world would want, full stop. No amount of spluttering from you will change that!

  • POSTED BY on | October 16, 2013, 11:11 GMT

    Lot of ppl slagging Jimmy here. If you were picking a world XI, he'd open the bowling with Steyn. That's plenty good enough.

  • POSTED BY on | October 16, 2013, 10:37 GMT

    If one looks at the eight proper Test teams (Bangladesh and Zimbabwe are not Test status), aside from England, each Team has at least one batsman who has exceeded 9,000 Test runs and/or at least one bowler who has exceeded 400 Test wickets. Australia: Batsmen - Ponting, Border, Waugh Bowlers - Warne, McGrath India: Batsmen - Tendulkar, Dravid, Gavaskar Bowlers - Kumble, Kapil Dev, Harbhajan Singh New Zealand: Batsmen - None Bowlers - Hadlee Pakistan: Batsmen - None Bowlers - Wasim Akram South Africa: Batsmen - Kallis Bowlers - Pollock Sri Lanka: Batsmen - Jayawardene, Sangakkara Bowlers - Muralitharan West Indies: Batsmen- Lara, Chanderpaul Bowlers - Walsh, Ambrose With England, no batsman has exceeded Gooch's 8,900 Test runs, and no bowler has exceeded Botham's 383 Test wickets. Gooch has held his national record for 20 years, while Botham has held his national record for 28 years!

  • POSTED BY Tigg on | October 16, 2013, 10:06 GMT

    @Harmony You're talking about career stats. Well, at first glance they suggest a decent if unspectacular bowler. Look a little deeper and they show a player thrown into the highest level too young, struggling, and then learning his game to become widely rated as the second best seam bowler in the world at the moment (the only seasons in the last 7 years he's averaged over 30 involved the best side in the world and India in India.

    What England fans care about is how good he is now. The answer is very.

  • POSTED BY shane-oh on | October 16, 2013, 9:57 GMT

    @Harmony111 - the stats I highlighted are meant to do what the have done - illustrate that there isn't a significant difference between his home and away stats, but rather a relatively small difference in the scheme of cricket. Almost every bowler in the world has better stats at home. I'm just pointing out the undeniable fact that it's pointless for you to go in circles on this, because it's always the way. And I didn't select his best years, I randomly selected what seemed a good chunk of 'recent' history to be more relevant.

    Painfully justifying? I'm pointing out facts - you on the other hand are desperate to prove some unproveable theory. Not that I mind, it's entertaining.

    The sudden jump to an irrelevant fact about Agarkar makes your rambling make more sense, however, so thanks for confirming what I knew. Hey, why shouldn't every cricket discussion end up being about random Indian players, right?

  • POSTED BY YorkshirePudding on | October 16, 2013, 9:54 GMT

    @Harmony111, I dont see what your problem with Anderson stating he would like to take 400 test wickets. He may not be a world great but hes been the best fast bowler have produced in 2 generations and could arguably be called an England great.

    He even states in the interview hat his attaining 400 wickets is subject to fitness, in regards to this summer, he performed very well in 2 out of the 5 tests and as the end of the series approached it was clear he was exhausted.

    In the end I wish him well in his endeavour.

  • POSTED BY Valavan on | October 16, 2013, 9:38 GMT

    @Harmony111, India's greatest bowlers like Kumble, Kapil and harbhajan averages 33 plus on away wickets. when they were called legends. why not Anderson set sights on 400 wickets, if he plays for next 3 years, its possible, dont you see India and SL going to England next summer, for 5 and 2 tests respectively, and you know how Indian batters on pacy strips and on short pitched bowling, recently you could have witnessed the ODI in Pune. Anderson can achieve it if he just plays back to back test series Vs India in England. cricinfo please publish.

  • POSTED BY on | October 16, 2013, 9:14 GMT

    How does he rank with Alec Bedser, Chona ? Pretty well, I think

  • POSTED BY GeoffreysMother on | October 16, 2013, 9:10 GMT

    O.K. lads . I believe you, Jimmy Anderson is just a mediocre trundler - but I guess he and I can live with that as long as he keeps helping us roll over India and Australia time and time again. I've just had an eye on the Pakistan v S.Africa Test to see how the awesome S. Africa bowling attack is doing - mediocre!

  • POSTED BY JG2704 on | October 16, 2013, 9:09 GMT

    @Harmony111 on (October 16, 2013, 6:19 GMT) Strange post

    Sorry but how is it comical?

    Comical implies that it's unrealistic - which it certainly is not. Also I tend to find most sportsmen play down records even when they are getting close. If he said something bordering on the impossible there'd be all sorts of comms on here belittling his comms. It's hardly big news but any story involving England players will get some comments on here. He still averages what he averages (see earlier comms) regardless of how his average comes about. Maybe he doesn't rate himself that highly but it's not for a player to rate judge himself. Our fans are pretty happy with him anyway

  • POSTED BY hhillbumper on | October 16, 2013, 9:01 GMT

    His development both home and away in the last few years has been amazing.He was held back by being permanent twelve man and was seemingly inhibited by Flintoffs prescence. Yet make him leader of the pack and you can see the difference. He bowls well in all conditions now and his figures will continue to improve.As for setting himself a low target he is tongue in cheek.

  • POSTED BY shane-oh on | October 16, 2013, 8:39 GMT

    @Harmony111 - 6/127 in Kolkota. 4/81 In Nagpur in India's only bat. Only one good performance? Your argument fails badly because all it amounts to is pointing out that he doesn't win every match for England, discounting the numerous good performance as aberrations, and focusing on his lesser performances to try and convince everyone that is the norm. It's a weak argument, and it's obvious you are carrying some sort of chip around. Why do some so call fans of the game have such a problem acknowledging that nations other than their own have top class performers? Anderson is a very talented and successful bowler - accept it.

    You are still confused. I'm not a fan of Anderson because I'm not English. I'm a fan of truth and reasonable debate, and recognising players from any nation who are great players. You, clearly, are a fan of none of these.

  • POSTED BY Harmony111 on | October 16, 2013, 8:18 GMT

    @shane-oh: Anderson bowls well in one test match and his fan club paints the picture as if he was deadly in the entire series. In the recent Eng-Ind series, Anderson bowled well in only one test - The Kolkata Test. That is 1 out of 4 tests but it is described by his fans of so called enlightened and factual debate as if he was on fire all through.

    If a bowler avgs 27 on the ideal homely wickets where he has a twin advantage then this only proves that he is someone who heavily relies on familiar & favorable conditions to bowl even moderately well. The stats you yourself gave prove nothing else but this.

    Even in the prev Ashes where Anderson played AT HOME vs a hapless Aussie team, Anderson looked very very mediocre in much of the series. Barring the first test, he was toothless in the rest of them and in one innings in the latter part of the series he got wickets only cos the Aus batsmen were going for quick runs.

    Talk of his own low ambitions too. He knows he has overachieved.

  • POSTED BY AKS286 on | October 16, 2013, 8:04 GMT

    Yes I still remember those days when a young coloured hair young man bowls and swung the ball very well. On that time our view was yes he is Jimmy he has the capability to take atleast 100 wickets in test. But now he is the one of the best bowler in the world and he is maintaining the era of England's pace bowlers. Good wishes Jimmy sure you will reach 400+. Great bowler!

  • POSTED BY Chona on | October 16, 2013, 7:44 GMT

    Anderson is one of the better quicks of modern era. But certainly not (a) the best of current bowlers (b) not an all time legend. Reasons....1) very high bowling average, 2) very ordinary record through most of his career till he blossomed 3-4 years ago . So let him enjoy when he can enjoy stardom.... Trust me Statham is never considered above Trueman.....but in Anderson's case he is not even better than Statham.....so even if he has set a low target of 400....let him enjoy...I am sure he will never be bracketed with Larwood, Truman, Tyson, or even Botham....

  • POSTED BY shane-oh on | October 16, 2013, 7:41 GMT

    @Harmony111 - Anderson's entire career shows a home average of 27 versus an away average of 35. Moreover, in the last 5 years he has a home average of 25 and an away average of 31, and as pointed on out already here he has produced several series winning away performances. These are hardly the numbers to make a compelling argument the man can only bowl at home - show me a bowler who doesn't have a slightly better average at home, there aren't many. I'm not an England fan, by the way - just a fan of enlightened and factual debate.

  • POSTED BY Harmony111 on | October 16, 2013, 7:19 GMT

    This is a very comical target set by Anderson. Usually a great player will set his target at a slightly impossible level. Usain Bolt says he wants to run a sub 9.5 sprint and we all know that 9.5 is going to take some doing if it is Bolt. A truly ambitious tennis player will say he wants to go past Federer's record. A batsman full of ambition will say he wants to score 30+ Test 100s or 3 triple tons etc. All these targets are great enough to motivate the individual and neither the fan nor the player himself can be sure that he will attain that target. It is this suspense that drives a great player on his way to achieving true glory.

    What do we hear from Anderson? He has 329 test wickets and all he aims for is 400 wickets? Ha Ha Ha. This is like saying I can reach the top floor of my building in 10 seconds when the building has only 3 floors & I live at the 2nd floor.

    In any case Anderson plays most of his tests on his home soil i.e. Eng wickets. & so he has twin advantage there.

  • POSTED BY on | October 16, 2013, 7:00 GMT

    re:sammy k

    that may have been true in the past but if you look at the away series from the past four years, the real period of anderson's growth into one of the greats of the game, then you have: -2010/11 ashes - highest wicket taker, 24@26 -2012 in india - 3 times the wickets of any other seamer, 12@30 -2012 in sri lanka - again, 3 times the wickets of any other seamer, 9@22

    that's 3 out of 5 tours where he's been by far the best quick bowler, anyone who watched him in india would be hard-pressed to call him ordinary. he was absolutely the difference between the sides.

  • POSTED BY TheRiverboatCaptain on | October 16, 2013, 6:55 GMT

    @ Sammy K - 79 wickets at 29 away from home in the last four years .. lots of bowlers would love to be so very ordinary.

  • POSTED BY on | October 16, 2013, 4:30 GMT

    Anderson is unplayable mostly in English conditions. Elsewhere he can sometimes be very ordinary. So playing at home in England will get him to his goal. Foreign tours not as much.

  • POSTED BY Patchmaster on | October 16, 2013, 3:35 GMT

    I reckon if Finch steps up to play Test Cricket, I reckon that'll be another bunch of wickets for Anderson.

  • POSTED BY Patchmaster on | October 16, 2013, 3:35 GMT

    I reckon if Finch steps up to play Test Cricket, I reckon that'll be another bunch of wickets for Anderson.

  • POSTED BY on | October 16, 2013, 4:30 GMT

    Anderson is unplayable mostly in English conditions. Elsewhere he can sometimes be very ordinary. So playing at home in England will get him to his goal. Foreign tours not as much.

  • POSTED BY TheRiverboatCaptain on | October 16, 2013, 6:55 GMT

    @ Sammy K - 79 wickets at 29 away from home in the last four years .. lots of bowlers would love to be so very ordinary.

  • POSTED BY on | October 16, 2013, 7:00 GMT

    re:sammy k

    that may have been true in the past but if you look at the away series from the past four years, the real period of anderson's growth into one of the greats of the game, then you have: -2010/11 ashes - highest wicket taker, 24@26 -2012 in india - 3 times the wickets of any other seamer, 12@30 -2012 in sri lanka - again, 3 times the wickets of any other seamer, 9@22

    that's 3 out of 5 tours where he's been by far the best quick bowler, anyone who watched him in india would be hard-pressed to call him ordinary. he was absolutely the difference between the sides.

  • POSTED BY Harmony111 on | October 16, 2013, 7:19 GMT

    This is a very comical target set by Anderson. Usually a great player will set his target at a slightly impossible level. Usain Bolt says he wants to run a sub 9.5 sprint and we all know that 9.5 is going to take some doing if it is Bolt. A truly ambitious tennis player will say he wants to go past Federer's record. A batsman full of ambition will say he wants to score 30+ Test 100s or 3 triple tons etc. All these targets are great enough to motivate the individual and neither the fan nor the player himself can be sure that he will attain that target. It is this suspense that drives a great player on his way to achieving true glory.

    What do we hear from Anderson? He has 329 test wickets and all he aims for is 400 wickets? Ha Ha Ha. This is like saying I can reach the top floor of my building in 10 seconds when the building has only 3 floors & I live at the 2nd floor.

    In any case Anderson plays most of his tests on his home soil i.e. Eng wickets. & so he has twin advantage there.

  • POSTED BY shane-oh on | October 16, 2013, 7:41 GMT

    @Harmony111 - Anderson's entire career shows a home average of 27 versus an away average of 35. Moreover, in the last 5 years he has a home average of 25 and an away average of 31, and as pointed on out already here he has produced several series winning away performances. These are hardly the numbers to make a compelling argument the man can only bowl at home - show me a bowler who doesn't have a slightly better average at home, there aren't many. I'm not an England fan, by the way - just a fan of enlightened and factual debate.

  • POSTED BY Chona on | October 16, 2013, 7:44 GMT

    Anderson is one of the better quicks of modern era. But certainly not (a) the best of current bowlers (b) not an all time legend. Reasons....1) very high bowling average, 2) very ordinary record through most of his career till he blossomed 3-4 years ago . So let him enjoy when he can enjoy stardom.... Trust me Statham is never considered above Trueman.....but in Anderson's case he is not even better than Statham.....so even if he has set a low target of 400....let him enjoy...I am sure he will never be bracketed with Larwood, Truman, Tyson, or even Botham....

  • POSTED BY AKS286 on | October 16, 2013, 8:04 GMT

    Yes I still remember those days when a young coloured hair young man bowls and swung the ball very well. On that time our view was yes he is Jimmy he has the capability to take atleast 100 wickets in test. But now he is the one of the best bowler in the world and he is maintaining the era of England's pace bowlers. Good wishes Jimmy sure you will reach 400+. Great bowler!

  • POSTED BY Harmony111 on | October 16, 2013, 8:18 GMT

    @shane-oh: Anderson bowls well in one test match and his fan club paints the picture as if he was deadly in the entire series. In the recent Eng-Ind series, Anderson bowled well in only one test - The Kolkata Test. That is 1 out of 4 tests but it is described by his fans of so called enlightened and factual debate as if he was on fire all through.

    If a bowler avgs 27 on the ideal homely wickets where he has a twin advantage then this only proves that he is someone who heavily relies on familiar & favorable conditions to bowl even moderately well. The stats you yourself gave prove nothing else but this.

    Even in the prev Ashes where Anderson played AT HOME vs a hapless Aussie team, Anderson looked very very mediocre in much of the series. Barring the first test, he was toothless in the rest of them and in one innings in the latter part of the series he got wickets only cos the Aus batsmen were going for quick runs.

    Talk of his own low ambitions too. He knows he has overachieved.

  • POSTED BY shane-oh on | October 16, 2013, 8:39 GMT

    @Harmony111 - 6/127 in Kolkota. 4/81 In Nagpur in India's only bat. Only one good performance? Your argument fails badly because all it amounts to is pointing out that he doesn't win every match for England, discounting the numerous good performance as aberrations, and focusing on his lesser performances to try and convince everyone that is the norm. It's a weak argument, and it's obvious you are carrying some sort of chip around. Why do some so call fans of the game have such a problem acknowledging that nations other than their own have top class performers? Anderson is a very talented and successful bowler - accept it.

    You are still confused. I'm not a fan of Anderson because I'm not English. I'm a fan of truth and reasonable debate, and recognising players from any nation who are great players. You, clearly, are a fan of none of these.