Queensland Second XI v England PP, Brisbane, 2nd day November 28, 2013

Bresnan haul points to fitness return

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England Performance Programme 376 for 9 dec. and 156 for 5 (Foakes 52*) lead Queensland Second XI 156 (Burns 97*, Bresnan 4-31, Mills 3-17) by 376 runs
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Tim Bresnan could not be making better use of his first competitive outing since breaking down with a stress fracture to proclaim that he has no wish to sit out the entire Ashes series.

Nobody really expects Bresnan to be a serious contender for a place in the second Ashes Test, but with every day that passes, he is at least making them revisit the assumption.

He will join the Test squad following this England Performance Programme fixture, where Bresnan followed up a half-century (57 from 62 balls) on the opening day with 4 for 31 in 10 overs on the second day against a Queensland 2nd XI. There are a few England players who would have given a lot for such figures with bat or ball at the Gabba, where they suffered a drubbing against Australia in the first Test.

But England rarely shift from their preconceived plans and it is highly doubtful that they have ever contemplated playing Bresnan in Adelaide. On the roads around Australia, one often sees signs asking tired drivers undergoing long journeys: "Do you have a Plan B?" England's tendency will be only to consider Plan B when the wheels are falling off and smoke is pouring out of the engine.

It is difficult to gauge the worth of Bresnan's display against a Queensland 2nd XI - "solid" was one word routinely bandied around by Australian observers who felt he was still some way down on pace - and England's team director, Andy Flower, and coach David Saker are both in Alice Springs. He struck in the first over, having Dom Michael caught behind, and two other wickets came in the close-catching cordon.

Joe Burns, the one Queensland player of note in the side, also escaped Bresnan's clutches, falling just short of an unbeaten hundred as his side were dismissed for 156 at Allan Border Field. EPP squad then reached the close on 156 for 5 to secure a lead of 376 with a day remaining.

"He looked pretty good,'' Burns told Brisbane's Courier Mail. "He was swinging it a bit and bowling within himself a little bit but you could see he still had that effort ball. It certainly felt as if he was still building but he was not too far away."

It was another satisfying day for the Performance squad. They declared on their overnight 376 for 9, content that arguably the two most highly-regarded batsmen in the squad, Middlesex's Sam Robson, who retired on 102 and Moeen Ali of Worcestershire, who made 83, had made a favourable impression.

Bresnan had not played a competitive match since he broke down in the fourth Ashes Test at Chester-le-Street in August. His inclusion in Adelaide looks improbable, especially as the first drop-in Test pitch at the now multi-purpose stadium could well be a stamina-testing experience for both bowling attacks.

But his 24 wickets in five Ashes Tests mean that Australia hold him in high regard, none more so than the coach Darren Lehmann, who played alongside the younger Bresnan at Yorkshire. His hopes will be growing that he can make a contribution later in the series, certainly in Melbourne over Christmas, where he bowled the defining spell three years ago during the Test in which England retained the Ashes.

He has rarely attracted the plaudits during his 21-Test career, but after England's heavy defeat at the Gabba, his batting average of 30 and bowling average of 32 are looking more than ever the sort of dependable all-round figures England could do with.

Another all-round option that is a genuine possibility for the second Test is Ben Stokes. He made his international debut in the one-day series against Australia in England and will look to stake his claim for a Test debut in the No. 6 slot during England's two-day match in Alice Springs, alongside batsmen Jonny Bairstow and Gary Ballance.

"Everyone is going to go out there and make sure they put their hand up and prove a point that they want to be out here and be in that second Test match," Stokes said. "There's probably three guys who've got the chance to try and get into that number six. Whether it's me or not, Gary or Jonny, but we've got this next two days to go out there and really try to get in there."

England are yet to name their final XI for the Alice Springs tour match but are expected to rest Alastair Cook, Kevin Pietersen, Stuart Broad and James Anderson as they try to gather the evidence they need about how best to rebalance their side now that Jonathan Trott has returned home with a stress-related illness and they have gone 1-0 down in the series.

*November 28, 12.45 GMT: This article was updated to reflect the England team for Alice Springs

David Hopps is the UK editor of ESPNcricinfo

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  • on November 28, 2013, 10:50 GMT

    No world beater with bat or ball Bresnan but a solid performer with the ball who when fit, can get it up to mid eighties mph and bowls a heavy ball, better than Tremletts stuff he bowls now. With the bat, Bresnan can add a bit more for the tail. Probably the second Test would be one to quick for a return to Test cricket

  • milepost on November 30, 2013, 7:31 GMT

    I don't think they will risk him at Adelaide. He's a good cricketer, a county journeyman and they sorely need some guts in their team after the humbling at the Gabba. But, he's no match winner and England will obviously be sending down a tremendous amount of overs, probably close to a world record amount as Australia line up a couple of double hundreds and set up another huge, huge total for England to collapse under. Keep your cricket almanacs close to see the records mount up and to remember what once was for England.

  • SaracensBob on November 30, 2013, 1:17 GMT

    Bresnan's continuing recovery is welcome news for England - the team miss his contribution. He is our Peter Siddle - honest, hard-working, doesn't let you down. Chuck him the ball as first-change bowler and he be will bowl a tight probing line and length. Hoggard-esque he keeps the pressure on the batsmen and takes wickets at a reasonable average too. His later order runs are invaluable (see his performance with the bat this summer). Bres in for the third test hopefully. If England are really in the mire at that point we might consider him at six or seven as part of a five-man attack - Anderson, Broad, Swann/Panesar, Bresnan, Finn/Rankin. Just a thought.

  • dreamliner on November 29, 2013, 20:38 GMT

    Behold a genuine no3 all rounder batsman in Moeen Ali who has scored more than 2,000 runs in all forms of the game this summer, and took 55 wickets with his off-spin bowling. He is also the 2013 Player of the Year awards as voted for by the Professional Cricketers Association, evidence that he's been constantly performing over the last 18mth. Bresnan took 4 wickets in the first innings against Queensland in which Moeen didn't ball but made 83 with the bat. More importantly in the second innings Bresnan went wicketless but the ball was thrown to Moeen who took 5, yes 5 not 4, wickets with his off-spin, that of batsmen no 3, 4, 5, 6 & 7, effected the run out of the main centurion no 2 batsman Joey Burns, and also remained not out being made to bat lower down the order! Don't know about you, but I am so excited about the competition he could bring to our batting and spin. Play the lad now while he's present and hot and not later when he's nowhere and not.

  • Front-Foot-Lunge-Needs-A-Hug on November 29, 2013, 15:06 GMT

    @Lunge how will England win the next test when they can't make runs against the Alice Springs under 17's? I think England will be lucky to play 4 days in Adelaide they are so so poor at the moment. May be it was England's style of cricket that scared the crowds away? 120kph right arm snail and batting at 1.7 runs an over hardly gets the pulse going. 155kph and run a ball tons (exhibit A, Australia at the Gabba) now that is going to sell tickets.

  • Front-Foot-Lunge on November 29, 2013, 13:10 GMT

    @ShutTheGate: But it is a worry about Aus support in Melbourne and Sydney, one remembers what happened last time: Aus support suddenly found a barbeque to go to instead oif taking their seats in the ground, which wasn't good for the series and reflected very poorly on the home support.

  • dunger.bob on November 29, 2013, 12:46 GMT

    @ JG2704: Yeah I have to agree. It's quite hard to come back from a 136 run 1st innings and giving away a 150 run lead made it hard for the bowlers to get going. I guess there's a lot of pressure to get a bunch of wickets, fast. That can mess with your head. .. Still, that's their job.

    I think Bresnan gives you more but poor old Tremors didn't disgrace himself either. The thing is though, they wouldn't seriously consider bringing him back under done only to ask him to bowl on the best batting wicket in Australia would they? Maybe they would. You'd know that far better than me.

  • JG2704 on November 29, 2013, 9:50 GMT

    @ dunger.bob - It's a strange one. Tremlett should in many's eyes not have even been on the tour based on what he did in the domestic season. Then when he got on tour he took 1 wicket in the warm up matches and gets the nod when many of us thought Finn or Rankin should have gone. Anyway the problem in the 1st test was the batting , more than the bowling and that made the bowlers 2nd inns task all the more difficult as they were playing catch up - after doing ok in the 1st inns and by the same token Aus batsmen were not under the pressure they would have been had there been parity or Eng ahead after the 1st inns. Anderson bowled ok/well in the 1st inns but the shortened rest between inns due to our shortened inns was not good for any of our bowlers.Re Swann , I think the positive way Aus batsmen played him had much to do with it.The 2 wickets Lyon took weren't great balls - just very poor shots. Tremlett did ok but when Eng have batted poorly in the past they make a bowling change

  • on November 29, 2013, 8:21 GMT

    @Front-Foot-Lunge : Wait, how exactly are the English meant to abandon watching a test series when it's only just started? Is the bar set that low? If they've flown out here why would they NOT watch the game? Wouldn't a better comparison be the crowd at Manchester when Australia beat England by 88 runs in the ODIs? Istr the full house evaporating quickly in the second innings.

  • latecut_04 on November 29, 2013, 7:08 GMT

    what about Finn..now that Aus have seen Eng batsmen s' discomfort against pace and bounce Eng can expect more of the same from the pitch.atleast WACA is a surety.he may be leaking runs but Jhonson used to open flood gates of runs for batsmen.pace always comes with runs(remember the great Waqar).strange hes not even considered

  • on November 28, 2013, 10:50 GMT

    No world beater with bat or ball Bresnan but a solid performer with the ball who when fit, can get it up to mid eighties mph and bowls a heavy ball, better than Tremletts stuff he bowls now. With the bat, Bresnan can add a bit more for the tail. Probably the second Test would be one to quick for a return to Test cricket

  • milepost on November 30, 2013, 7:31 GMT

    I don't think they will risk him at Adelaide. He's a good cricketer, a county journeyman and they sorely need some guts in their team after the humbling at the Gabba. But, he's no match winner and England will obviously be sending down a tremendous amount of overs, probably close to a world record amount as Australia line up a couple of double hundreds and set up another huge, huge total for England to collapse under. Keep your cricket almanacs close to see the records mount up and to remember what once was for England.

  • SaracensBob on November 30, 2013, 1:17 GMT

    Bresnan's continuing recovery is welcome news for England - the team miss his contribution. He is our Peter Siddle - honest, hard-working, doesn't let you down. Chuck him the ball as first-change bowler and he be will bowl a tight probing line and length. Hoggard-esque he keeps the pressure on the batsmen and takes wickets at a reasonable average too. His later order runs are invaluable (see his performance with the bat this summer). Bres in for the third test hopefully. If England are really in the mire at that point we might consider him at six or seven as part of a five-man attack - Anderson, Broad, Swann/Panesar, Bresnan, Finn/Rankin. Just a thought.

  • dreamliner on November 29, 2013, 20:38 GMT

    Behold a genuine no3 all rounder batsman in Moeen Ali who has scored more than 2,000 runs in all forms of the game this summer, and took 55 wickets with his off-spin bowling. He is also the 2013 Player of the Year awards as voted for by the Professional Cricketers Association, evidence that he's been constantly performing over the last 18mth. Bresnan took 4 wickets in the first innings against Queensland in which Moeen didn't ball but made 83 with the bat. More importantly in the second innings Bresnan went wicketless but the ball was thrown to Moeen who took 5, yes 5 not 4, wickets with his off-spin, that of batsmen no 3, 4, 5, 6 & 7, effected the run out of the main centurion no 2 batsman Joey Burns, and also remained not out being made to bat lower down the order! Don't know about you, but I am so excited about the competition he could bring to our batting and spin. Play the lad now while he's present and hot and not later when he's nowhere and not.

  • Front-Foot-Lunge-Needs-A-Hug on November 29, 2013, 15:06 GMT

    @Lunge how will England win the next test when they can't make runs against the Alice Springs under 17's? I think England will be lucky to play 4 days in Adelaide they are so so poor at the moment. May be it was England's style of cricket that scared the crowds away? 120kph right arm snail and batting at 1.7 runs an over hardly gets the pulse going. 155kph and run a ball tons (exhibit A, Australia at the Gabba) now that is going to sell tickets.

  • Front-Foot-Lunge on November 29, 2013, 13:10 GMT

    @ShutTheGate: But it is a worry about Aus support in Melbourne and Sydney, one remembers what happened last time: Aus support suddenly found a barbeque to go to instead oif taking their seats in the ground, which wasn't good for the series and reflected very poorly on the home support.

  • dunger.bob on November 29, 2013, 12:46 GMT

    @ JG2704: Yeah I have to agree. It's quite hard to come back from a 136 run 1st innings and giving away a 150 run lead made it hard for the bowlers to get going. I guess there's a lot of pressure to get a bunch of wickets, fast. That can mess with your head. .. Still, that's their job.

    I think Bresnan gives you more but poor old Tremors didn't disgrace himself either. The thing is though, they wouldn't seriously consider bringing him back under done only to ask him to bowl on the best batting wicket in Australia would they? Maybe they would. You'd know that far better than me.

  • JG2704 on November 29, 2013, 9:50 GMT

    @ dunger.bob - It's a strange one. Tremlett should in many's eyes not have even been on the tour based on what he did in the domestic season. Then when he got on tour he took 1 wicket in the warm up matches and gets the nod when many of us thought Finn or Rankin should have gone. Anyway the problem in the 1st test was the batting , more than the bowling and that made the bowlers 2nd inns task all the more difficult as they were playing catch up - after doing ok in the 1st inns and by the same token Aus batsmen were not under the pressure they would have been had there been parity or Eng ahead after the 1st inns. Anderson bowled ok/well in the 1st inns but the shortened rest between inns due to our shortened inns was not good for any of our bowlers.Re Swann , I think the positive way Aus batsmen played him had much to do with it.The 2 wickets Lyon took weren't great balls - just very poor shots. Tremlett did ok but when Eng have batted poorly in the past they make a bowling change

  • on November 29, 2013, 8:21 GMT

    @Front-Foot-Lunge : Wait, how exactly are the English meant to abandon watching a test series when it's only just started? Is the bar set that low? If they've flown out here why would they NOT watch the game? Wouldn't a better comparison be the crowd at Manchester when Australia beat England by 88 runs in the ODIs? Istr the full house evaporating quickly in the second innings.

  • latecut_04 on November 29, 2013, 7:08 GMT

    what about Finn..now that Aus have seen Eng batsmen s' discomfort against pace and bounce Eng can expect more of the same from the pitch.atleast WACA is a surety.he may be leaking runs but Jhonson used to open flood gates of runs for batsmen.pace always comes with runs(remember the great Waqar).strange hes not even considered

  • Biggus on November 29, 2013, 4:57 GMT

    @RednWhiteArmy:-England don't need to practice their sledging mate, that was perhaps the one part of their game at Brisbane that was up to usual expectations. Batting and bowling is what they should be practicing, that was where they lost it.

  • valvolux on November 29, 2013, 4:43 GMT

    Bresnan is an important cog - he bowled beautifully in Australia last time. You feel England was one bowler short in the last test - having Root as the 5th option isnt going to win you many tests. Bresnans already played some important ashes knocks as well - im pretty sure the Aussies would least like him in the team than any of the other unknown players. But a 4 for against a 1st grade team that contained only one player of genuine international potential, Joey Burns, who carried the bat, doesnt say a lot about form, only fitness. Though just checking the other replacements - Ballance and Stokes, i'm completely unsuprised that neither of them are english! LOL. The Zimbabwean, Ballance has batting numbers that are very hard to ignore, but I reckon they will go for the all round option of the kiwi, Stokes if they deem Bresnan unfit. They must come in and not at 6, not as the third seamer though you'd think. Tremlett went OK and will only improve as the series progresses.

  • Scuderi on November 29, 2013, 1:16 GMT

    I have checked the crowd figures from the 2010-11 Ashes and 769,887 attended FFL. If Engalnd filled every seat of every stadium for 5 days over 5 tests in the UK it would still only get them 532,500.

  • scarab666 on November 29, 2013, 0:50 GMT

    Bresnans 5 for just confirms he is there should the Poms need another bowler. With Trott going home I think England need to look at batsmen and they have a ready replacement in Sam Robson, who not only is familiar with the Aussie wickets, but is currently in great form and a ready replacement for Carberry. Carberry is a lame duck in waiting, this will be a tour he will want to forget.

  • Moppa on November 29, 2013, 0:47 GMT

    I for one am looking forward to the day that Foakes, Stokes and Woakes all play for England at the same time.

  • wellrounded87 on November 29, 2013, 0:21 GMT

    Bresnan is a solid cricketer and gives the English attack good balance. Anderson and Broad can go quiet if the batsmen sustain their early spells. Bresnan was good at coming in and breaking set partnerships. It's no coincidence that since he got injured Australia have gained the upper hand in these two ashes series.

    Side note impressive knock from burns to get within 3 runs of a ton when the side is knocked over for 156. If he can get some consistency in his game he's got the baggy green written all over him.

  • dunger.bob on November 28, 2013, 23:17 GMT

    Bresnans OK and one of those solid pro's who will never let you down and occasionally exceeds expectations. To be honest though, it wasn't the third seamer who cost you the 1st Test. Not Tremleets fault. He did pretty well considering.

    I think England just for the moment at least have way more problems with their 1st seamer than their 3rd. Anderson was the real problem in the bowling very closely followed by Swann. Hardly a wicket between them. What's worse, they couldn't keep the pressure up to give the others bowlers something to work with. ... I'm sure Anderson will get it right at some stage but the fact seems to be that as soon as there's no swing, he's only half the bowler he normally is. .. Fair enough I suppose, he is a swing bowler after all.

    Swann will continue to struggle. This place is a grave yard for offies. Adelaide will help him a bit as will Sydney but that's about it.

    @Front-Foot-Lunge : Good to see you back in form mate. Still playing in the vee I see,

  • whoster on November 28, 2013, 22:07 GMT

    England are without doubt a better side with Bresnan in it. He's no superstar with bat or ball, but he's good enough to earn his place as a bowler, and also strengthen the batting. If Bresnan isn't ready, I'd stick with the Brisbane side. As for who replaces Trott, it's up to one of the three candidates to stick their hand up in the two-day game.

  • ShutTheGate on November 28, 2013, 22:07 GMT

    @ Lungey - don't worry about the Aussie support at least in Melbourne and Sydney. There's been a lot of tickets sold already.

    If I was you I'd be more concerned with England having to blood unproven talent now that your rock is back in the UK.

  • CodandChips on November 28, 2013, 21:19 GMT

    Bresnan must be truly remarkable. During his injury he's turned into a world-beater.

    Take Moeen out of the EPP. They have 12 other players. He should be our test number 3 for many years if he settles nicely. Warm up: Root Carberry Moeen KP Bell Stokes Prior Swann Tremlett Finn Rankin. Cook scored some runs so can have a rest. Lankies to fight and hopefully Finn to win. Stokes to play because personally I wouldn't mind an allrounder (but I'm not too sure about him. Hope he proves me wrong).

    But if Moeen doesnt come put Bell at 3 & look at Moeen in WI. The yoyo will kill Roots test career. Balance and Stokes shoot out for no 6. Have Root opening for convenience purposes in the warm up. Carberry Root Bell KP Balance Stokes Prior Swann Tremlett Finn Rankin.

    Adelaide should be Prior's last chance.

  • RednWhiteArmy on November 28, 2013, 21:17 GMT

    Yes bressylad! We have lost a great player, but were about to get one back. Bring it on & dont forget to practice your sledging boys.

  • on November 28, 2013, 21:10 GMT

    Bresnan is a very good third seamer - definitely needed in the England lineup after the uninspiring efforts of Tremlett in the first Test. I suspect Perth might be a bit late to make that change - someone else is needed, Finn?

  • deeplongon on November 28, 2013, 20:34 GMT

    Why are we scheduling matches to play fringe England players into form. Does this happen in England or India during test series.

  • Shaggy076 on November 28, 2013, 19:50 GMT

    Think when fully fit he is definetely in the side, but to go from bowling 10 overs a day tob bowling 20 and then backing up the next day is the question. I have no idea of how fit and strong he is but can't imagine he will be ready for the next test.

  • Front-Foot-Lunge on November 28, 2013, 19:49 GMT

    The strong and bustling Bresnan has muscled the Aussies out of the game many a time and, as fans who watched the last series down under will remember, is one heck of a handy bat too. No doubt the bigmouth Aussie support will peel off once England win the next test. The fact that England supporters were all out in force during the last test brings back contrasting memories with Australia's efforts to turn up to their grounds when England won 3-1 last time in Australia.

  • AlSmug on November 28, 2013, 19:42 GMT

    Minds need to be tightened here, Bresnan is a world class cricketer he would add depth to the batting and is the type of bowler effective on a benign adelaie deck if fully fit. He attacks the stumps which will be needed if England are to have an outside chance of winning. The interesting selection will be will they rest harris? if so i would not play faulkner he struggled to be effective in adelaide in the shield not taking a wicket , we need a bowler that attacks the stumps Faulkner lacks a bal that comes into the left handed batsmen , hopefully he is working on this we have Mitch to bowl across the right handers

  • CodandChips on November 28, 2013, 19:06 GMT

    Nothing wrong with Bresnan being a bit stocky. And I recognise his contribution to WT20 2011. But a medium pacer to replace a taller medium pacer is not the answer. Bresnan averages 32 with the ball. Finn is the answer.

  • anton1234 on November 28, 2013, 17:39 GMT

    I disgree, Mitty. Bresnan is not overweight, just well muscled, perhaps too much for his own good; sometimes being overly muscular can make you slightly less athletic and less flexible. But it does allow you to hit the deck hard and when batting, hit very hard, as Bresnan does. You need to get the balance right as a cricketer.

  • yorkshire-86 on November 28, 2013, 17:24 GMT

    Surely Carberry is due a rest? The only player to have endured every game so far this tour?

  • Front-Foot-Lunge-Needs-A-Hug on November 28, 2013, 17:13 GMT

    @Englishfan has it spot on. I actually like Bresnan as a cricketer, he's alright. He is not however the answer to the 1,204,576 questions asked of England at the Gabba. They have to pick him though, at least he bowls late 120's and England sorely need another right-arm-snail to counter Australia's extreme (and obviously unplayable from Brisbane) pace.

  • Beertjie on November 28, 2013, 17:03 GMT

    Both Bresnan and one of Finn/Rankin could play at the WACA, leaving Swann out. The batting wouldn't be weakened, while Bresnan and Root could bowl into the doctor. England need to be innovative or capitulate. Hope Pattinson will be available and form part of a 4-man pace attack, bowling downwind with Mitch.

  • anton1234 on November 28, 2013, 17:00 GMT

    I agree Stokes should play. There is something about his cricket that reminds me of Flintoff. He can become a very decent bowling all rounder I reckon, whereas Woakes' bowling is simply not penetrative enough at the moment, but is the better batsman.

    I think Stokes has to play at Adelaide. As for Australia, since they've named the same 12 as Brisbane, I think Faulkner has to come in for Bailey. I can't see him doing any worse with the bat, and could shoulder some of the bowling responsibilities in the hot conditions forecast for the 2nd test.

  • vmaxjude on November 28, 2013, 16:49 GMT

    Re Mitty2 - Bresnan a bit overweight? The guy is hewn from granite. There's not an ounce of fat on him. The extra muscle is probably hindering his pace though.

  • DJAbacus on November 28, 2013, 15:28 GMT

    I agree with Viswanath...I would like to see both Stokes and Bresnan in the side at Adelaide. The longer tail takes a bit of pressure of the top order and England can bowl their 4 seamers in short sharp bursts. I think Root at 3 to try to get a nice balance between youth and experience in the top 6. So for me 1 Cook 2 Carberry 3 Root 4 KP 5 Bell 6 Stokes 7 Prior 8 Bresnan 9 Broad 10 Swann 11 Anderson.

  • Mitty2 on November 28, 2013, 14:41 GMT

    Can't forget to mention Burns. If I'm going to be honest, it's a very good Eng attack. Jordan + Mills bowl, or can bowl, in the 140's. Bresnan has had success in test cricket; Harris has a heap of potential and if not for injuries would be getting higher honours atm and Brigg's is, based on international selection (which doesn't mean much considering Kerrigan), one of England's best spinners. To carry his bat against such an attack is commendable. It really does make me cringe however when you've got the likes of Moller and Reardon ahead of him in the Shield side, I mean before the squad was announced for the Eng Leg of the Ashes there were rumours of Burns even making it on the tour if he did enough in the A games... So for Qld to drop him is poor. Especially when Moller hasn't done anything and Burns's form isn't bad - as is evidenced with this innings.

  • jmcilhinney on November 28, 2013, 14:12 GMT

    @xtrafalgarx on (November 28, 2013, 10:56 GMT), noone's getting overexcited about Bresnan's performance specifically but more just that he can perform. This game is about proving, or at least improving, his fitness after an injury and ensuing layoff. If he can bowl at full pace for a reasonable amount of time then that's an excellent sign. Of course, 10 overs is not going to be enough for Test cricket but at least it was relatively high intensity and if, unlike when he came back from his first elbow surgery, he is bowling at full pace then it should be safe to assume that he's capable of playing at that level again.

  • Mitty2 on November 28, 2013, 14:10 GMT

    Pat_one_back, Eh comparing Bresnan to Siddle makes me uneasy just like it is when I compare Siddle to Anderson for Eng fans. On figures Siddle's a better bowler than Anderson but that doesn't make him better and the same goes for Bresnan to Siddle despite Bresnan stacking up favourably statistically - all I can think of is some trundling, sort of overweight, supposedly 'nippy" (god what does that even mean?) honest medium pacer, but I guess he does the job. But regardless, Siddle's taken leadership of the attack despite the revolving door for over three years and you could never see Bresnan do anything of the sort.

    Digression aside, really don't imagine Bresnan offering much more than Tremlett as Tremlett despite his lack of pace (bresnan won't be much better - all this crap about a 'heavy ball' again makes me queasy, did his job and had a better game than Anderson. Bresnan has a bunny in Waston though (although Watson's everyone's bunny) and is good with the bat.

  • jmcilhinney on November 28, 2013, 14:08 GMT

    Sorry David, but the whole "Plan B" campaign is about alternatives to driving for those who have been drinking, not those who are too tired. The point is well taken about England not having a plan B though. The series against Pakistan in UAE comes to mind. They didn't develop a plan B until the end of the first Test against SL.

    As for Bresnan, I really do think that many people underestimate him greatly. It's a bit ridiculous that some were saying that his performance while clearly injured was more representative of his ability than his performance while healthy. He wouldn't have an average of 32 now if the England selectors hadn't insisted on picking him continually when he was clearly hindered by his elbow injury. I'm sure England would love to have him back for Adelaide but it may well be just a bit too early. He may be ready for Perth but that's probably the place that they'd really like one of the tall timber to play. The conundrums are multiplying!

  • on November 28, 2013, 13:51 GMT

    Being an Indian I want this eleven on eng in 2nd test 1.Alaistar cook 2.Michael carebrry 3. joe root 4.Kp 5.Bell 6.Prior 7.Ben stokes 8.Tim bresnan 9.Stuard broad 10.Swann 11.Anderson.. Anderson n broad can bowl short spells with nicely supported by bresnan n stokes.. N their batting order can also bat till 9... This is the best possible XI for 2nd test provided Bresnan is fit..

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on November 28, 2013, 13:45 GMT

    No doubt this is great news; however, in an innings scorecard where only two players got into double figures, not to mention the fact that Bresnan went on to make a 5th ball duck in his second batting innings (although why on Earth he was promoted up to 4 is beyond me) - forgive me if I don't break open the champagne just yet. Really like Bresnan, and as I've been saying in previous threads I think England do need him there in the bowling line-up to hold up an end if nothing else; but he MUST be 100% fit. Definitely cannot afford a lethargic trundler with niggle(s) against a seemingly fired-up Aus. unit.

    Still can't believe they're thinking of resting KP; guy's done squat all tour, and along with Prior is one of the key players that NEEDS to warm up and justify his place in the team.

  • 2.14istherunrate on November 28, 2013, 13:30 GMT

    I find the tone of the writing here excessively pessimistic. Is there a real reason to be so? I think not. Ok the departure of Trott is a sad note for sure-one cannot help feeling that, but elsewise as we wait for 10 of the team to fire in a side which by all admissions an appalling starter, we have the last 4 tests to play out and for me at least good opportunities to win in Adelaide, Melbourne and Sydney with only Perth presenting some challenges above and beyond. If we win all three possibles, and draw the least likely game then we can win 3-1.WHy the pessimism? Re Bresnan-he has a good start here. How long can he bowlfor,can he come back? If the answers to those questions are good then play him. Do not risk his future though. Re the rest of the team-if Prior were able to bat six, Stokes would be possible selection. Prior is out of form though. But above all do not be pessimistic before it is time to be.

  • jackiethepen on November 28, 2013, 12:54 GMT

    Resting KP? He's hardly played a game or even a stroke since entering Australia. He's really rusty. Time to get some practice. Rest Cook but everyone else needs a bat. And Swann is down on confidence.

  • on November 28, 2013, 12:50 GMT

    People forget how good Bresnan is because he played a lot for England while he had the Elbow niggle. This took the extra zip out of his bowling that is needed at Test match level. With the opporation a success lets hope this stress fracture doesn't have the same effect and he is back to his awsome best! playing Bresnan also gives the option to play stokes for an extra bowler if they think bresnans extra batting allows them to play an allrounder rather than an out and out batter

  • zzby on November 28, 2013, 12:41 GMT

    England need Amla2 aka MM Ali.

  • pat_one_back on November 28, 2013, 11:56 GMT

    Would genuinely like to see Bres back in full swing, he's an honest toiler in the same vein as Siddle, neither to be underestimated with ball or bat. With Trott out injured now no-one wants to see a heavily under strength Eng. Not even the most stubborn selector can/could ignore many more underperforming tests from Prior &/or Trott though. Hasn't been spoken of much that I'vce seen but surely Eng missed a trick not playing Finn on the Gabba, surely expect to see him in Perth.

  • SDHM on November 28, 2013, 11:41 GMT

    @Englishfan - Harris' problem was he just had to bowl too much too young really. Carried Glamorgan for a couple of seasons and was bowling 100s of overs as a teenager and early 20s, and I fear he will always be injury prone because of it. I know a lot of the pros say you have to bowl and bowl and bowl, but cases like him show that young seamers do need to be carefully managed. England will likely persevere with him though, and they should really: in terms of our young seamers coming through, he is the only one really who is similar to Anderson in modus operandi. All the others are either tall, hit-the-deck seamers or quick tearaways like Mills and Overton, so I feel he will continue to be developed and looked at closely.

  • YorkshirePudding on November 28, 2013, 11:38 GMT

    @CricketingStargazer, Thanks for the clarification, I thought he was already qualified (or very close), as he'd been in county cricket since the start of 2009, so 4 years would mean he qualified ealier this year.

  • CricketingStargazer on November 28, 2013, 11:09 GMT

    @nutcutlet The idea of picking Chris Tremlett was to have someone to bowl line and length and block up an end. I suspect as a holding operation until Tim Bresnan was ready. That job he did reasonably well. Tim Bresnan though adds a genuine attacking option to the bowling.

    Reportedly he has been bowling at full pace in the nets for a while now but, I agree, 10 overs against powderpuff batting is not exactly a great basis to pick him for a Test. Tonight will probably give a better clue as to what the plans are. If the march finishes early I would not be amazed if he arrives in Alice Springs in time to play on the second day. I don't know when the next EPP game is.

    @YorshirePudding If I recall rightly, he is not available until the May Tests next year, but that was my thought too. He has a special qualification to play for the Lions now and protect him from being poached.

  • CodandChips on November 28, 2013, 11:07 GMT

    The selection of both Foakes and Buttler, coupled iwth Bairstow in the test squad, suggests to me that Davies is completely out of the picture. For me this is a great shame because I think he is the best wicketkeeper batsmen in the country after Prior, and if Prior's form continues to be poor, he needs to be replaced. Davies is only 27, so isn't exactly too old. Also I thought he was dropped unfairly from the ODI squad.

    Glad to see James Vince playing. Hopefully he can play his way into contention for the ODI squad, where I think he could play a useful role as opener. He can bat through and score quickly.

  • CricketingStargazer on November 28, 2013, 11:01 GMT

    @Barry Glynn The problem is that there is no more cricket for the main squad anyway outside the Tests.

    @anton1234 10 wickets at a strike rate far better than any of the Australians apart from Ryan Harris last summer? A lot of people do underestimate him, mainly based on his bowling when crippled with injury. Last summer he was picking up key wickets, not tail-enders.

  • CodandChips on November 28, 2013, 11:01 GMT

    Considering the problem with our bowling was the lack of wickets, why on earth would we go with Bresnan. He is a containment bowler with an average of 32 who bats a bit and has struggled to take wickets since his injury. He would just be the same as Tremlett but with less height, maybe more pace, and a bit of batting (even same fitness issues).

    Good to see Jordan get a couple of top order wickets, and out of all the bowlers in this 13, I would want him. Mills getting 3 in 4 overs is good and I see him having a big role in the future. Feel sorry for James Harris considering last year he was in the ODI squad, and then looking at him now.

    Interesting that Moeen hasn't batted 2nd innings. Does this mean anything in terms of test selection? After all Tremlett did not play in the final warm up match before Brisbane. Maybe he could be preparing to join the team. He would be my choice at 3. I personally dont think that Robson is ready for international cricket.

  • xtrafalgarx on November 28, 2013, 10:56 GMT

    You would do well to remember this is a Second XI State side, no where near up to scratch to even begin to compare this to test cricket.

  • SDHM on November 28, 2013, 10:54 GMT

    Any word on how the other bowlers looked? Mills and Jordan in the wickets...

  • featurewriter on November 28, 2013, 10:44 GMT

    I'd be looking at Sam Robson as a replacement for Trott in the squad. The kid has an enormous amount of potential - and his style of play is well-suited to Australian conditions. I'd think England should consider the following lineup for Adelaide: Cook, Carberry, Bell, Pietersen, Root, Ballance, Prior, Broad, Swann, Tremett, Anderson. An all-rounder the calibre of Stokes would be a great option, except that Stokes isn't suited for Australian conditions. My gut tells me that they'll go with Stokes in Adelaide. I think that'd be a mistake though. Australia will more than likely go with Warner, Rogers, Watson, Clarke, Smith, Bailey, Haddin, Johnson, Siddle, Harris, Lyon. I don't think they'll bring in Faulkner for Bailey.

  • anton1234 on November 28, 2013, 10:40 GMT

    I don't rate Bresnan. I think he falls into the classic bits-and-pieces player mould and when they come against good batsmen , are made to look ordinary. Warner is back to form, Watson is threatening to score big, Clarke is also in form.

    I have my doubts over Bailey as a test player. I think his FC average is poor for a reason. I would seriously consider Cameron White or Michael Kilinger in his place. White is 30 so he has a good few ahead. However, given its Adelaide for the next test where the surface could be stale, I would go with Faulkner for this particular match.

    I also like the look of Ben Cutting. He has a very good FC average with ball and 26 with the bat,which means he is probably bit of an all rounder in the mould of Johnson.

  • on November 28, 2013, 10:40 GMT

    According to the scorecard Mills returned 3-17 and Briggs 1-10

  • YorkshirePudding on November 28, 2013, 10:39 GMT

    It looking good as far a Bresnan is concerned, though as Biggus says 10 overs isnt much to judge his fitness on, it will be interesting to see how he is in the morning.

    The interesting one was Robson with 102 coming in at 3, I wonder if the selectors will go for left field selection for the now vacant Number 3 slot? Providing hes now fully qualified for England.

  • CricketingStargazer on November 28, 2013, 10:37 GMT

    The Queenland 2nds new ball and first change attack have exactly 2 First Class matches between them so, it has not exactly been tough opposition. Interesting that Tim Bresnan was promoted to bat at 4 in the second innings.

    Tim Bresnan needs a long bowl in the 2nd innings but, looking at the opposition, he is unlikely to get it, with Joe Burns carrying his bat for 97 in a total of 156 and only one other batsman passing 7.

    In theory, if the EPP side win early today and England bat first at Alice Springs, Tim Bresnan could bowl there for the main squad on the 2nd day. I wonder if he will make a dash across Australia.

  • Nutcutlet on November 28, 2013, 10:19 GMT

    Hmm. What gives Bres an edge over the tall men (not SB, of course) is that he offers the genuine possibility of lower order runs, and that separates him from the others. Although Plan A didn't work at the Gabba, Adelaide, we're given to believe, is likely to offer a more benign strip when line & length bowling may play to Eng's strength. If TB is thought not to be quite ready, then Eng may stick with the same bowlers (amid howls of protest from those who favour Finn/ Rankin). The batting shake-up brought about by Trott's depature is a forced departure from script & to have another with the bowlers is certainly not England's style under this regime. But Bresnan for Tremlett may just be on the cards. Personally, I see Rankin being lined up for a debut at Perth, esp. if Eng is still behind in the series.

  • Biggus on November 28, 2013, 10:02 GMT

    Bresnan bowled only 10 overs. If he's selected for Adelaide he'll likely bowl a LOT more there. I think England are nuts to consider him for that game, as much as I think very highly of Bresnan.

  • Biggus on November 28, 2013, 10:02 GMT

    Bresnan bowled only 10 overs. If he's selected for Adelaide he'll likely bowl a LOT more there. I think England are nuts to consider him for that game, as much as I think very highly of Bresnan.

  • Nutcutlet on November 28, 2013, 10:19 GMT

    Hmm. What gives Bres an edge over the tall men (not SB, of course) is that he offers the genuine possibility of lower order runs, and that separates him from the others. Although Plan A didn't work at the Gabba, Adelaide, we're given to believe, is likely to offer a more benign strip when line & length bowling may play to Eng's strength. If TB is thought not to be quite ready, then Eng may stick with the same bowlers (amid howls of protest from those who favour Finn/ Rankin). The batting shake-up brought about by Trott's depature is a forced departure from script & to have another with the bowlers is certainly not England's style under this regime. But Bresnan for Tremlett may just be on the cards. Personally, I see Rankin being lined up for a debut at Perth, esp. if Eng is still behind in the series.

  • CricketingStargazer on November 28, 2013, 10:37 GMT

    The Queenland 2nds new ball and first change attack have exactly 2 First Class matches between them so, it has not exactly been tough opposition. Interesting that Tim Bresnan was promoted to bat at 4 in the second innings.

    Tim Bresnan needs a long bowl in the 2nd innings but, looking at the opposition, he is unlikely to get it, with Joe Burns carrying his bat for 97 in a total of 156 and only one other batsman passing 7.

    In theory, if the EPP side win early today and England bat first at Alice Springs, Tim Bresnan could bowl there for the main squad on the 2nd day. I wonder if he will make a dash across Australia.

  • YorkshirePudding on November 28, 2013, 10:39 GMT

    It looking good as far a Bresnan is concerned, though as Biggus says 10 overs isnt much to judge his fitness on, it will be interesting to see how he is in the morning.

    The interesting one was Robson with 102 coming in at 3, I wonder if the selectors will go for left field selection for the now vacant Number 3 slot? Providing hes now fully qualified for England.

  • on November 28, 2013, 10:40 GMT

    According to the scorecard Mills returned 3-17 and Briggs 1-10

  • anton1234 on November 28, 2013, 10:40 GMT

    I don't rate Bresnan. I think he falls into the classic bits-and-pieces player mould and when they come against good batsmen , are made to look ordinary. Warner is back to form, Watson is threatening to score big, Clarke is also in form.

    I have my doubts over Bailey as a test player. I think his FC average is poor for a reason. I would seriously consider Cameron White or Michael Kilinger in his place. White is 30 so he has a good few ahead. However, given its Adelaide for the next test where the surface could be stale, I would go with Faulkner for this particular match.

    I also like the look of Ben Cutting. He has a very good FC average with ball and 26 with the bat,which means he is probably bit of an all rounder in the mould of Johnson.

  • featurewriter on November 28, 2013, 10:44 GMT

    I'd be looking at Sam Robson as a replacement for Trott in the squad. The kid has an enormous amount of potential - and his style of play is well-suited to Australian conditions. I'd think England should consider the following lineup for Adelaide: Cook, Carberry, Bell, Pietersen, Root, Ballance, Prior, Broad, Swann, Tremett, Anderson. An all-rounder the calibre of Stokes would be a great option, except that Stokes isn't suited for Australian conditions. My gut tells me that they'll go with Stokes in Adelaide. I think that'd be a mistake though. Australia will more than likely go with Warner, Rogers, Watson, Clarke, Smith, Bailey, Haddin, Johnson, Siddle, Harris, Lyon. I don't think they'll bring in Faulkner for Bailey.

  • SDHM on November 28, 2013, 10:54 GMT

    Any word on how the other bowlers looked? Mills and Jordan in the wickets...

  • xtrafalgarx on November 28, 2013, 10:56 GMT

    You would do well to remember this is a Second XI State side, no where near up to scratch to even begin to compare this to test cricket.

  • CodandChips on November 28, 2013, 11:01 GMT

    Considering the problem with our bowling was the lack of wickets, why on earth would we go with Bresnan. He is a containment bowler with an average of 32 who bats a bit and has struggled to take wickets since his injury. He would just be the same as Tremlett but with less height, maybe more pace, and a bit of batting (even same fitness issues).

    Good to see Jordan get a couple of top order wickets, and out of all the bowlers in this 13, I would want him. Mills getting 3 in 4 overs is good and I see him having a big role in the future. Feel sorry for James Harris considering last year he was in the ODI squad, and then looking at him now.

    Interesting that Moeen hasn't batted 2nd innings. Does this mean anything in terms of test selection? After all Tremlett did not play in the final warm up match before Brisbane. Maybe he could be preparing to join the team. He would be my choice at 3. I personally dont think that Robson is ready for international cricket.