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February 2, 2014

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Ashley Giles oversees England training, Headingley, September, 5, 2013
Ashley Giles confirmed his ambition to be the next England team director © Getty Images

Ashley Giles, having confirmed his interest in the taking on the England team director's role, is set to play a central part in deciding Kevin Pietersen's international future next week. According to newspaper reports, a meeting has been scheduled for Tuesday, between Giles, Paul Downton and Alastair Cook, specifically to discuss Pietersen's involvement with the England team.

The meeting is not about selection, although it will directly influence the composition of England's World Twenty20 squad, which will be announced on Thursday. Andy Flower, who remains a selector despite stepping down as team director, is not expected to attend. Suggestions that Flower thought Pietersen should play no further part with England clouded the end of his reign.

Giles, the limited-overs coach who has previously referred to Pietersen as a "million-pound asset", Downton, England's new managing director, and the Test and ODI captain, Cook, will now try to determine a mutually agreed way forward.

Such ongoing issues, as well as the humiliation of a 7-1 reverse in the limited-overs matches in Australia, have not disturbed Giles' appetite to succeed Flower. He said after England suffered a T20 whitewash in Sydney that he would be applying for the post, which Flower vacated on Friday.

Giles has been installed as the bookmakers' favourite for a job that would reunite responsibility for England's Test, ODI and T20 teams under one coach and was described by Giles Clarke, the ECB chairman, as a "very strong candidate".

"I'd be very interested in doing the job definitely," Giles said. "I'm not going to deny that and I'm sure I'll be applying for the post.

"It's one of the biggest jobs in cricket and I'd apply for it because I want to do it, as someone who was very proud to play for England and been proud to coach the one-day side. To do the whole job would be a fantastic opportunity but it's hard work as well and we've got a lot of hard work to do before whoever is announced to get in shape for the world cup."

Giles, who played 54 Tests for England, said he had not been expecting Flower to step away and was immediately in touch with Downton.

"I was a little surprised at the timing and of the announcement full stop," Giles said. "Andy's obviously, not had enough but wanted to call it a day and I guess it is time to move on. I spoke to Paul after the announcement about where I stand. I didn't know the detail of Andy's standing down at the time so I wanted to get clear on that."

Having served as England one-day coach since the beginning of 2013, Giles appeared well placed to add the Test side to his remit but his cause has not been helped by a weak showing in Australia, where both the ODI and T20 series were lost at the earliest possible stage.

England will attempt to put their Australian nightmare behind them in the West Indies at the end of the month, before the World Twenty20 in Bangladesh, and Giles is well aware that results will feature prominently on his CV.

"I think it's important that I concentrate on what's coming up in the next couple of months," Giles said. "If I have to put an application in in the next couple of weeks then I'll think about it and get it done but results will talk as well.

"I've got a really big series in the West Indies and more importantly the World Cup in Bangladesh. Our record in the subcontinent for limited-overs cricket isn't great, so it's a good challenge. We're pretty much right at base-level now. And we've got a lot of hard work to do and a lot of talking to do to decide which 15 guys we take to Bangladesh to give us the best chance."

Giles's conversations with Downton will also concern the 15-man squad that England will select for the World T20. That squad, potentially plus an extra bowler, will travel to the West Indies for three ODIs and three T20s. James Whitaker, the new national selector, is expected to make his first announcement on Thursday, though Giles would not be drawn on Pietersen's chances of being included.

"We'll have a selection meeting when we get back to England," Giles said. "There's more than one bloke to talk about. You don't like guys living in fear but there's always careers and jobs on the line, whether coaching or playing, we've all got to be better and there'll be no substitute for hard work. That starts in the West Indies, guys can expect some early mornings and some late nights.

"We'll pick the squad this week and go from there. But picking those 15 names at the moment is going to be a tough task. I can't say how many changes there will be but conditions in Bangladesh will obviously be very different and we'll have to think about pace off the ball and spin options and think about our tactics full stop.

"Although we're playing three one-day games [in the Caribbean] it give us a good run in to Bangladesh. We need to do a lot of hard work and that will be good preparation."

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Posted by jb633 on (February 4, 2014, 17:23 GMT)

KP is a cooked goose anyway. He has looked woefully out of form for the last 18 months and his footwork is all over the place against anyone with a bit of pace. The English media and coaching staff are trying to hide behind the KP situation to mask the facts that we were weak and not good enough. No excuses but we have a very poor side at the moment. We need to deal with it and look for solutions rather than excuses.

Posted by Hardy1 on (February 4, 2014, 17:18 GMT)

It seems a bit absurd that Giles can have such a big say in the future of one of England's key players before subsequently potentially losing his job if his application were to be unsuccessful. Just a thought.

Posted by JG2704 on (February 3, 2014, 21:10 GMT)

@Vinod_Fab on (February 3, 2014, 19:35 GMT) My dream pair (if they managed like they captained) would be Collingwood doing the shorter formats with Vaughan doing the tests. The Vaughan side which beat Australia in 2005 won that series by coming from behind and playing positively and I feel Collingwood's captaincy was a huge part in winning the T20WC in 2010. Obviously just because they are good captains doesnt mean they'd make good supremos. But I like the idea of Ford grooming Vaughan if that's where you're going? Re KP , I still think the issue is that KP himself doesn't want to play all these matches and the man himself has as much influence as to which matches he plays and which he doesn't and I wouldn't be surprised if he has input into the decision re the T20WC

Posted by Vinod_Fab on (February 3, 2014, 20:49 GMT)

Test XI: Cook,Root,Trott,KP,Bell,Stokes,Prior(bairstow),Panesar,broad,finn,anderson (bopara,tredwell,bresnan,rankin).. Depends upon the conditions and rotation policy this must be 15's in test matches ODI XI:(WC 2015) Cook,Bell,trott,KP,Morgan,Stokes(finn,bresnan,jordan,stokes) ,Butler,tredwell,broad,finn,anderson (carberry,bopara,bresnan,rankin).. T20 XI:(March WC) Hales,Lumb,KP,Wright,Morgan,Butler,bopara,tredwell,broad,anderson,rankin If i were the captain i will make KP bowl as he has decent height and he doesn't ball any freebies like BOREthwick. Rotate among these and use the resources Judiciously,if it's done then 2015 WC, series against SA and ASHES against AUS is there for the taking

Posted by Vinod_Fab on (February 3, 2014, 20:13 GMT)

I have never seen anyone's as like KP's talent.. If u say Viv richards(he was but he was quite remarkably backed by those Mighty bowlers), if u say Ponting(again backed by the best bowlers), if u say Kallis (again those intimidating bowlers will come into picture), and if u say Don(those body line bowlers will come to ur mind) and if u say SACHIN(those spinners will be der always more often than not if he scores) but KP is in different league than all..From 05 till 14 he missed only 2 tests and played some extra ordinary series turning innings(i m not saying match turning innings,i m saying series turning ones) and when all teams were facing difficulties in matching AUS in 07 WC,KP was toying with them(that's ver this man stands)..Me being INDIAN fan follows ENG cricket when KP was slamming those great bowlers in Lords and he is such a confident bloke that he envision ENG dreams with his bat..KP--Once in a generation player(Let him play with that devastating instinct). 15 WC ll b our's

Posted by Vinod_Fab on (February 3, 2014, 19:35 GMT)

@JG2704..Graham Ford/Michael Vaughan will be the best option to replace Andy(Atleast for next 2 years) imo. And as per your saying KP did told like the schedule is demanding but the main spotlight was on those back to back ASHES test series and meaningless ODI's.I am sure that the best coach can handle him very well (This T20 WC ,2015 ODI WC(may be just before WC he can play only 1 ODI series if scheduled and the practice matches before 2015 WC will do, All the test match series he should play till early 2016)..KP gave so much to ENG and give him his own space till early 2016..I sincerely wish ECB and all those high paid selectors or whosoever pls don't repeat the mistake of 2011 WC(It was QF vs SL and ENG did missed KP ven he was due for a big one,they say it was injury but i say it was utter nonsense from ECB to let ur Star player go when WC was on the cards) and 2nd one being the series against SA(They dropped KP and eventually dropped #1 status).I still believe he can produce goods

Posted by JG2704 on (February 3, 2014, 17:19 GMT)

@ stumpedlloyd on (February 3, 2014, 16:33 GMT) Out of interest could it possibly just be that they are discussing KP's particicpation purely because (due to his fragility re injuries) the games he can play are limited and they are deciding (for example) whether the T20 WC is more important than the summer's test series' and whether they think he could manage both? I know it's not as interesting as thinking there's another dose of unrest within the dressing room but the only stories which hinted at unrest were quashed by Flower (who denied making an ultimatum) and Swann (who denied inferring it was KP he was talking about in his farewell speech)

Posted by JG2704 on (February 3, 2014, 17:02 GMT)

@ 64blip on (February 3, 2014, 11:59 GMT) Could it not be because KP is the guy who has gone on record saying that the schedule is too demanding and they want to decide how to manage his workload based on what the guy has said himself? I don't think anyone's blaming KP for team's performances in Australia. He was just one of many lame ducks

@ LancashireHotSpot on (February 3, 2014, 13:51 GMT) Who is actually calling for his head? One person on here has said that his ego far outweighs his performances and another guy has posted stats which prove that he isn't necessarily the saviour many portray him to be

Posted by onebump on (February 3, 2014, 16:49 GMT)

@stumpedlloyd : the SL set up has very little egos and personalities. They are a relatively humble bunch. It is the administrators and politicians that take the cup and trip the players and coaches big time. All former foreign coaches (in the last 19 years) have had great words for the players.

You are right in that Moody did a real good job there. He also has a lot of English experience. Will be a fine fit for England. As for Giles, i shudder at the thought of it. If anything England should have kept Flower and sent Giles home.

I generally find KP annoying despite his talent and enjoy the England management vs. KP battles played out in the media. However, it feels utterly unfair that the ECB is hosting a conference to decide on his future.... It is hard being KP!

Posted by stumpedlloyd on (February 3, 2014, 16:33 GMT)

I wonder how KP feels that the ECB is pretty much publicly admitting they are meeting about his future with the team. This is so asinine. Let KP be KP. If all this talk about how terrible a person he was in the dressing room is right, then Alastair Cook and Andy Flower aren't the great captain and team director everyone made them out to be. They couldn't manage one person in their squad? As for Giles becoming permanent coach: Please, say it ain't so. He just oversaw a 7-1 thrashing of his team at the hands of the Aussies. These weren't close games, people. England was beaten like a red-headed stepchild; they were eviscerated. And the coach who oversaw this massacre is the one ECB wants to coach the test side, as well? Brilliant! You know, Tom Moody has expressed interest in coaching the English side. Bring him in! He was very successful with Sri Lanka, where, believe me, you got far more egos and personalities, not to mention politics thrown in, to boot.

Posted by TeamSelector on (February 3, 2014, 14:46 GMT)

I don't care who becomes the director, but there is no England team without KP. You judge a player's value by the reaction he gets from opposing teams. Watch the opposition reaction when KP's wicket falls, as oppose to when one of his teammates wicket falls. As a matter of fact, i say give KP the one day captaincy as well as the Test vice captaincy. There are only a handful of 'true' cricketing greats left, & KP is definitely one of them ...

Posted by JG2704 on (February 3, 2014, 14:31 GMT)

Why do people keep going about England dropping KP , making him a scapegoat etc? I'm not a fan of some of our selections but the KP thing is a non starter. Has anyone actually considered that KP (a player who has openly said the schedule is too demanding) has himself chosen which series he would play and which series he would rest from? It would seem obvious to me this was a JOINT decision between KP and the ECB made when the CCs were being sorted out. And you cant have a captain who is so physically fragile meaning that he wont play so many games , let alone someone who has little captaincy experience ...

Posted by wapuser on (February 3, 2014, 14:16 GMT)

ecb let the kevin play, he has rights to decide for his future not ecb

Posted by JG2704 on (February 3, 2014, 14:03 GMT)

@pb10677 - Yes these guys may be decent but not sure either would want a part of the set up. Not sure the non selection of Stokes was that bad although the persistance of Dernbach maybe is that bad. However in the game with both playing Stokes went at 12rpo off his 3 and Dernbach went for 12.25 rpo off 4. Bear in mind his last over went for 26 he'd have been going at about 7.6 before that over. I just wonder what Stokes' figures might have been had he been assigned to bowl the last over and batting him at 3 is just dumb imo - another experiment they seem to want to persist with until it works

@ landl47 - I'm not against him playing for England again but in T20 cricket I think you sometimes have to have a revolving door. My theory is to not even save overs for the end in that format if your 1st spell is going particularly well , based on seeing so many bowlers bowl a decent 1st spell and then come back at the end to get thrashed. Keep them on while they have momentum

Posted by LancashireHotSpot on (February 3, 2014, 13:51 GMT)

I just don't get where the people who are calling for KP's head are coming from. From a personnel point of view the issue with England seems to have been a clash of personalities between him and Andy Flower. Flower's gone so no issue there. He's the best/most talented batsman in England (and one of the best in the world) whether we rate him on past performances or just the outrageous ability he has. He's the maverick batsman no international team would want to be without. Who could replace him??? He could make a double ton or go for a big gold duck but he's invaluable. Imagine you're a young England batsman making your debut and you happen to arrive at the crease with KP. What an inspiration. Some may see him as a luxury but I can't see a valid reason for his exclusion.

Posted by SamWintson92 on (February 3, 2014, 13:16 GMT)

Wanna add another thing. England should include Owais Shah for T20s. He's a batsman who has excelled in around the globe in the T20s.

Posted by m0se on (February 3, 2014, 13:12 GMT)

Dropping KP will be a blessing in disguise for him. He can be a mercenary like Gayle and rake it in. He can play full IPL, BBL etc without having to miss parts of it for the English tours. He can also relocate to Dubai and not have to pay taxes. KP is plagued by injury and hopefully can at least make some fortune before injury forces him to retirement. Flintoff could not cash in on his huge name because of injury. Hopefully KP can. He already had to miss the last IPL due to injury.

Posted by   on (February 3, 2014, 13:12 GMT)

English media talks about getting rid of KP as if their team is loaded with world class batsmen who are read to take up KPs position. I think, if anything, English media should reassess their team's standing.

No wonder KP hates English media so much.

Posted by looloogun on (February 3, 2014, 13:12 GMT)

kp for the big job ? anyone ? its not EGO just the same problem all the ex captains suffer. kp a negative influence >my god think about the negative influence the man himself has to face yet has to win games for u. surely hard being himself like he said .

Posted by iffy187 on (February 3, 2014, 12:50 GMT)

England should follow Pakistans lead, A certain Shahid Afridi has been an enigma for the PCB ever since he smashed the then fastest odi century as a fresh faced 16 year old. he has retired more times than i have had hot dinners with various spats with any one who would listen along the way.,But you cannot deny he is a match winner who can single handedly turn a game on its head, just like KP. if i was asked to point out a current match winner in this England team apart from KP, i would struggle..ben stokes? vastly overrated, alistair cook? career damaging defeat he will never be the same player again.. i cant even think of anyone else thats how bad england have become.

Posted by SamWintson92 on (February 3, 2014, 12:03 GMT)

1. I can't understand why so much controversy about Kevin Pietersen. He's the best batsman of England & one of the world's best. He should be always my first pick in all three formats. People shouldn't forget he was the leading run scorer in the Ashes where runs dried out for every English batsman. 2. Any news on Jonathan Trott ? 3. I want to see some new faces in the shorter formats of England. I mean those promising young players who posses good domestic record. That doesn't mean you leave out KP. KP should be always there. There has to be a blend of experience & youth. 4. There's no point in playing county cricket if you're not going to pick players who're shining there. Players like Chris Wood, Jamie Overton, James Taylor really catch the eye. 5. How Tim Bresnan survives on the team is beyond my imagination. He has very mediocre stats. 6. Steven Finn shoud play. Even channel 9 commentators were saying how Eng kept him ignoring throughout the Ashes.

Posted by 64blip on (February 3, 2014, 11:59 GMT)

Unbelievable! A meeting to discuss KP and only KP? We've just lost an ODI and t20 series 7-1 in which KP took no part. In the Ashes, when he was there, was he responsible for the selection of Finn, Rankin and Tremlett? For Carberry over Compton? For Onions non-selection? For Trott going home? For Cook looking more like a rabbit in the headlights than a captain on the field? For the vacillating over Root's batting position? For no test-class wicket-keeping back-up? For Monty's selection and then demotion behind a spinner who barely bowls for his county? For being out-fought and out-thought in every match? And in the end, if it really, really is necessary to talk about KP, surely they could do it privately, without announcing it to the world?

Posted by thebolivian on (February 3, 2014, 11:57 GMT)

Lets get one thing clear.

No way is Pietersen England's best batsmen.

Over last 5 years since start of 2009:

Kp averages 44.53 in test cricket, Cook 49.11, Bell 49.34, Trott 46.45 KP averages 30.28 @ 84.47 sr in ODI cricket, Trott 51.25 @ 77.06 sr, Morgan 42.23 @92.69 sr, Bell 39.12 @78.74 sr, Cook 41.62 @82.76sr, Bopara(lol) 32.78 @ 82.05 sr The only game he has been dominant in has been T20 (avg 45.16) @ 138.50sr) but even then he has only played 23 games with others having played 40+ because he is rested so much.

If you're going to be as disruptive an influence as KP has been for England (and for nearly every team he has played for) he better be performing well on the field. In recent times he has been unpredictable and inconsistent with the bat; has an extremely shaky injury record; and has proven time and again that he is a loose cannon and bad for team morale.

Still it is a big call because he is one of England's better bats and resources are stretched.

Posted by ODI_BestFormOfCricket on (February 3, 2014, 11:56 GMT)

if cook dont want kevin, ecb should drop cook from odi. Kp is great assest than cook in all format and cook doesnt deserve a place in limited over format.

Posted by   on (February 3, 2014, 11:43 GMT)

As Lloydster says, Giles hasn't exactly turned England's fortunes around down under and I have absolutely no belief that he could do any better with the test team. Gary Kirsten needs persuading, followed by Paul Collingwood. Attritional cricket is fine when you have in form players of world class standards to carry that out like England have for the past 4-5 years, but looking to the future we don't have the reliability or skill coming through to win those types of game anymore. A fresh approach with fresh tactics are what I want to see as an England fan.

Posted by sreni on (February 3, 2014, 11:32 GMT)

If ppl think Giles is the solution, then Good Luck ECB and England..

Posted by   on (February 3, 2014, 11:31 GMT)

The extra 4.5 runs per innings (9 runs per test match) that Pietersen brings on average more than most of his peers is offset by 2 things. Firstly - he's a disruptive influence. A boil in the dressing room. Not just a management problem but an ego that all other playing staff have to work around. A negative impact on everyone else on the team, the squad and the management. Secondly - he's a terrible fielder. People talk about him being dropped before getting going during the 5th test in 2005 - but the number he shelled at short cover or (as the series progress) deeper towards the boundary. The highlights DVD shows 7 - most of them sitters that school cricketers would take 9/10 times. I've not seen him improve much. He and Cooke are not very good in the field, the difference seems to be that at least Cooke has got better. Pietersen is a liability and I bet costs more runs than his slightly higher average earns the team - add that to all the dropped catches. No room for the EGO

Posted by   on (February 3, 2014, 10:52 GMT)

So, England consider getting rid of their best batsman of the past 7-8 years, and highest run scorer in their last series played.

Because they're playing so well they can afford such luxuries.

Posted by   on (February 3, 2014, 10:50 GMT)

Debating on whether to have the best batsman in the team or not. English Cricket Team :D

Posted by Manxmuppet on (February 3, 2014, 10:32 GMT)

Eng need a coach with the gnarly mental toughness that can get to the opposition, just like Boof did to them. The Aus success just highlights how the right coach can turn a team around. Player to player the Eng team had the edge over Aus (statistically speaking) but something got lost in the translation of potential to performance. This was continued into the one day cricket when they needed someone to halt the slide. Unfortunately Giles couldn't stop it and oversaw a decline in performance.

I wouldn't be surprised if he gets the job but I'd be very surprised to see results improve if he does.

Posted by ToadyB on (February 3, 2014, 10:22 GMT)

KP knows how to hit a cricket ball but it's shocking that he's still allowed to wear that England cap. He has been disruptive throughout his career and it is telling that his continued presence in the team is so contentious that it demands a high level meeting with senior management.To me, this points to the heart of England's problem, which is the fact that individual players, and KP is not alone in this, believe that they are bigger than the team or the country that they represent. There is simply no room for players who constantly spout off about their team mates, are a disruptive presence in the dressing room, conspire with the opposition to get their captain out, get drunk and publicly humiliate themselves, etc. Making an exception for any player, regardless of how talented they are, has a corrosive effect on morale and discipline, the main areas where England have been found wanting lately. Giles is not strong enough to bring that discipline back.

Posted by zenboomerang on (February 3, 2014, 9:01 GMT)

Just a question - were Whitaker, Flower & Giles all the 3 teams selectors? Hopefully there is someone else...

19 players used during the last Test series for me was a major tipping point. Wrong original squad selections followed by a revolving door.

There is also the very real problem of too many selectors sitting around with the Test players every day = old boys school = nepotism...

With 18 Counties to watch, I'm unsure how the 2 coaches can spend any time watching games or follow developing players. In Oz we have 4 selectors, 3 of which just watch local matches amongst 6 States while the Test coach works very closely with the 6 State coaches in developing Test players (since Argus).

Posted by zenboomerang on (February 3, 2014, 8:59 GMT)

@Jose Puliampatta - yes I was staggered when Flower demanded total control over team selection. Surely the Counties deserve some input into future Eng teams...

Posted by   on (February 3, 2014, 8:51 GMT)

See how he performs at the WC - then make a decision. Having a recent short form record of 3 wins and 10 defeats (all against Aus) doesn't give Giles a compelling case....but as he's a "valued ECB employee" (Clarke's words) that probably doesn't matter

Posted by Hira1 on (February 3, 2014, 8:48 GMT)

when all of a sudden a team starting to loose in all formats, none of your star players are performing as per their potential then there is definitely something wrong with the management including captain and coach. Blame cannot be put on any player. KP was not even playing ODI and T20 since long and how come he can influence the player in these formats so its simply ridiculous that ECB is considering his role or presence in the team. At this moment when T20 world cup is near and that too in Bangladesh I don't even think that England can afford such luxury of dropping KP.

Posted by   on (February 3, 2014, 8:32 GMT)

Mr Khan- a coach from the West Indies? Are you serious? Look at the state of their performances over the last 15 years or so. As for a sub continent coach, they are all foreign.

Posted by Lloydster on (February 3, 2014, 8:02 GMT)

He (Giles) didnt and couldnt fix the English woes down under so what makes people think its gonna be any different, if he takes over the reigns. Good Luck England.

Posted by   on (February 3, 2014, 8:01 GMT)

If the similarly dismal performance by the limited over sides is anything to go by, why does anyone think Giles will be any good in the main role? Who coaches Durham? Can't remember but he seems to be doing a decent job.

Posted by itsjustagameboys on (February 3, 2014, 7:18 GMT)

We are at a point of new beginnings, wiping the slate clean, taking risks with new combinations, be it team selections, captaincy or coaching. This is an opportunity to appoint someone inspirational. Has the realisation that something radically fresh has to be risked been lost already? The old guard players have variously broken down or been dropped, the captaincy should be under review , the head coach has gone and now his lieutenants must follow (bye bye, Ashley). But why stop there? Surely the administration is as culpable. One thing's certain, Ashley Giles hasn't managed to inspire a young, talented short game group, who were largely unscarred by the ashes. Whatever happens in the West Indies or the world cup, we should use the breathing space to find the right person.

Posted by Vindaliew on (February 3, 2014, 7:01 GMT)

Giles, to me, represents mediocrity which somehow managed to find a niche within a team through hard work - perhaps this approach would be easier transferred to other people than one laced with genius which others might not be able to replicate. On a side note, is that a boner in the Giles pic?

Posted by Naresh28 on (February 3, 2014, 6:57 GMT)

STRANGE....that a single person is being talked about after the defeat? It takes teamwork to win matches. All good coaches would strive to improve their previous record. Two ex-zim coaches have made Zimbabwe proud by taking up gigantic roles - they have done well. Its not as though they are lacking but need time - its a real competitive world out there. KP did better than most batsman in the defeat.

Posted by dunger.bob on (February 3, 2014, 6:55 GMT)

One thing I've always wondered about re Giles. Just how did he get the wheelie bin nickname. He doesn't actually look like a wheelie bin so it's got me flummoxed. I'm hoping someone can give me the story.

Posted by Johnno_Johns on (February 3, 2014, 6:14 GMT)

Cricket fans the world over will be praying for Ashley Giles to get the full time England coaching gig. During this tour of Australia, the English cricket's short form teams have been sub-insipid, seriously, you look at professional sporting teams and you can't consider any aspect of their on-field performance as being professional. Professional would involve taking opportunities, taking the ascendancy, taking on the opposition and using their heavily refined (professional) skills and knowledge to seek dominance over their rival. They have done none of this, and if it happens more than once (let alone 7 times out of the last 8 games) one can only assume that it reflects the attitude of the off field team.

Posted by   on (February 3, 2014, 6:02 GMT)

what's his plan? is he gonna ask his bowlers in test matches to bowl around the wicket like he used to? i find it hard to believe this man would have a single aggressive nerve in his body.

Posted by Orsoncarte on (February 3, 2014, 5:59 GMT)

@ruester - well said. As an Australian supporter I was baffled (and relieved) by KP's non-selection. But I seem to recall that he made himself unavailable for short-form cricket to concentrate on tests, then made himself available for all forms of cricket after his South African escapade and saying sorry for calling the rest of his team wankers. The bloke doesn't do himself any favours. We've got one, as well (Watson). Want to swap?

Posted by   on (February 3, 2014, 5:52 GMT)

England would be better off with a Coach from the Sub-Continent or West Indies. England needs fresh approach, radically different approach. Giles would be nothing different.

Posted by Rahul_78 on (February 3, 2014, 5:36 GMT)

I guess more than the Director England team is in need of a stronger leader on the field. Cook doesn't seem to be the ONE. There is no point in divulging on the failures in Australia. Everything wrong that could have happened has happened and only way for the English team is up from here. About KP, he still emerged as a highest run geter in the side which had shambolic performances from the entire XI. Coach is not the one to go out there and perform. It is the guys who put themselves in the line of fire that matters. And KP is one bloke who has undoubted skills and may be one of the only remaining world class performer apart from Anderson. Giles or whoever else will do well 1st by appointing a strong leader and then get their best batsmen in line either with stick or a carrot. Sacrificing KP will be a shame and a mistake. KP was instrumental to get the single ICC trophy poms have and anyone with some cricketing sense would love to have him in for the T20 and 50 overs world cup squad.

Posted by   on (February 3, 2014, 4:54 GMT)

"I think it's important that I concentrate on what's coming up in the next couple of months," Giles said. Yes; just do it.

"Flowering" ambitions to be the sole monarch to mould (not just influence) the future of England's cricket in one's on cast, finally got crushed inside the Gordian knot of "Administrators-Captains-Prima Donnas" unyielding entanglement. Why name names? Everyone knows! If not, ask Strauss.

Moulding and casting are fine tools for a Foundry Engineer, not for a cricketer!

"Guiles", whether the name Ashley precedes it or Clarke follows it, will boomerang, if you try to handle a bunch of young talented and ambitious players. More than guiles and scheming; it needs tact, understanding & empathy. And, some leeway for individuality, of course keeping in mind England team's future journey back to glory.

Where is Mike Brearley? Someone like him has to take the new "leadership group" under his wings for a short mentoring workshop. They need it. Badly. Very badly

Posted by   on (February 3, 2014, 4:43 GMT)

When giles became odi couch steel he didn't when odi series for england how he will be win test matches for england he is not a better couch then voughan they should select voughan us england director

Posted by BradmanBestEver on (February 3, 2014, 4:41 GMT)

Looks very much like "more of the same" and "steady as she goes" and "don't rock the boat" to me. Exactly what England do not need and exactly what the opposing teams need.

Posted by 11_Warrior on (February 3, 2014, 4:22 GMT)

@Cpt.Meanster Why only bowlers, what about batsmen? Indian team director don't know he should take team in which direction. India should start preparing for 2019 WC.

Posted by ruester on (February 3, 2014, 4:02 GMT)

Can someone please tell me what KP has supposedly done wrong on this tour? If he did not agree with Flowers method ok, he is a top sportsman who by reaching the highest level doesn't need a great deal of technical coaching. But from what i understand he trains and practices harder than anyone in the team. Is a grown adult not allowed a viewpoint or disagree with people? Manage players is the job of the coach, their are lots of ego's in that dressing room and not just KP's.

Posted by playfaircricket on (February 3, 2014, 3:42 GMT)

He doesn't succeed in a single series win , how can he became a director of a test team , mind blowing selection panel , hats off Ecb

Posted by   on (February 3, 2014, 0:10 GMT)

england team will be.alax hales.luke wright.piterson.root.morgon.butler.samit patel.ravi bopara.tim breasman.broad.tradewell.stokes.jorden.jade debron.

Posted by FawltyBean on (February 2, 2014, 23:48 GMT)

What is this thing about Pietersen's future? Just shut up and let him play. It's not like other batting stars waiting on line to take his place. Giles had 8 games to see if young guns can replace him - none stood up. If Cook doesn't know how to deal with someone better than him, Cook needs to quit and join his master AF on the sidelines.

Posted by gavin7094 on (February 2, 2014, 22:17 GMT)

43% win ratio in ODIs since he took over. Ideal candidate. No doubt he can get some results against Bangladesh and WI to secure the job for 5 years. Jobs for the boys.

Posted by DingDong420 on (February 2, 2014, 22:10 GMT)

Giles was a useless bowler, and he is proving himself to be useless at management.

Only 2 names stand out for me, Kirsten or Fleming....If you want to go English then a left field maybe Vaughan.


Posted by   on (February 2, 2014, 22:07 GMT)

Loss record doesn't inspire confidence..

Posted by   on (February 2, 2014, 21:42 GMT)

Giles, please god no....

Will put England back even more than now!

Posted by RandyOZ on (February 2, 2014, 21:36 GMT)

Giles picks Dernbach all the time, ahah, and Bopara! His coaching is about as good as his actual play - and he wasnt nicknamed the wheelie bin for nothing!

Posted by Cpt.Meanster on (February 2, 2014, 20:00 GMT)

Can somebody here tell me what is a "team director" ? Isn't he just a coach ? Why do England have to use big words for such a straight forward job ? Overly complicating an already pressure-packed job. So Team India's "team director" is Duncan Fletcher then. Yes Mr. Fletcher, you are our team director. Please direct our bowlers to bowl proper overs ! hahahaha.

Posted by oze13 on (February 2, 2014, 19:55 GMT)

When the wheelie bin was appointed as the ODI coach in November 2012 England were ranked No.1. They are now No.4 and have lost 23 of the 38 matches played since he has been in charge. He should be following Flower toward the exit! Nothing else!

Posted by xylo on (February 2, 2014, 19:05 GMT)

What England need is not a dictator like Flower/Giles, but a man who can work around people's egos and get them performing at their best. It is not like the England team is lacking in talent, only direction.

Posted by   on (February 2, 2014, 19:03 GMT)

to be honest giles as a player was no world beater and as a coach he doesnt look effective england need someone proven i would personally go for tom moody he has coached SL has a proven record understands the needs of the modern game has been a WC winner

Posted by BRUTALANALYST on (February 2, 2014, 18:51 GMT)

Giles did a worse job than Flower down under, seriously the short format was worse than the Tests. The selection, lack of tactical nous and the fact they were playing against a very weakened Aus side and still got totally thrashed.

Posted by ENGLANDEXPECTS on (February 2, 2014, 18:13 GMT)

What is wrong with England. How can Giles even be considered for the role after the complete mess he has made of the Limited overs job. Until England stop taking the safe option every time we will keep heading backwards. Pick someone with some fire in their belly not another establishment yes man.

Posted by shijin1429 on (February 2, 2014, 18:04 GMT)

i think perfectman for this job is michael vaughan otherwise nasser hussain,giles is not good for this job,he needs dernbach like dhoni needs ishant,he is just a waste and bresnan also is there no more bowler in england how many chances gives him,terrible selection,best thng is mak morgan as oneday capiain and play kp and andeson regularly in oneday

Posted by   on (February 2, 2014, 18:04 GMT)

The chosen one has done so well since becoming the ODI & T20 coach. He must be rewarded. This is the mentality of the ECB. They do not care about our much loved game. ECB is only after supremacy and dominance.

Posted by landl47 on (February 2, 2014, 17:24 GMT)

I'd feel better about Giles as a potential team director if I hadn't just seen him pick Jade Dernbach, who has repeatedly proved he isn't international class, for 3 T20s. Dernbach bowled 11 overs for 141 runs and 1 wicket, at an economy rate of 12.81. He doesn't bat and isn't a great fielder. It's not as though Dernbach's a young player who needs to be given a chance, he's been around for years and has shown he isn't up to it.

If that's an example of Giles' decision-making, I suggest England should look elsewhere.

Posted by   on (February 2, 2014, 17:17 GMT)

A huge task lies ahead of him. With the current form doesn't look like England will make it through the first round itself in the WC.

Posted by pb10677 on (February 2, 2014, 17:10 GMT)

My personal favourites for the job would be Gary Kirsten, and also Graham Ford who apparently is superb. Plus the latter is a good friend of KP.

I'm not keen on Ashley Giles either. As CodandChips says, the ODI record so far has been nothing to write home about.....and these performances in Australia have been awful.

And we can't blame the coach for the on field performance - but the selections have been terrible. No Stokes for the first 2 T20s was ridiculous- continually picking the errant Dernbach (who pretty much single handedly lost us 2 T20s) is just stubborn. And Briggs hasn't done anything to write home about for England ever either.

Posted by robble on (February 2, 2014, 16:53 GMT)

Please DO NOT give this man the job! Picking Root and Dernbach for T20 games shows how utterly clueless he is.

Posted by CodandChips on (February 2, 2014, 16:44 GMT)

Please no. One good season with Warwickshire and he's a world beater. Selected over guys with repeated success such as Newelll of Notts, Giles White of Hampshire or the Durham guy.

1 ODI series win from 5 (although he has had to rest certain players). CLT20 was worse than published- we only beat a struggling Aus, Nz in a close T20, and South Africa missing Kallis, Smith, Steyn and Morkel. Not to mention the T20I rankings drop from 5 to 8. And selecting Rankin despite showing no domestic form

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