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No going back over KP - Clarke

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March 18, 2014

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Kevin Pietersen has a sit down during net practice, Hobart, November 5, 2013
Giles Clarke on Kevin Pietersen: "English supporters must move on. There isn't going to be any going back." © Getty Images
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Giles Clarke, the ECB chairman, has said there is no going back to Kevin Pietersen, putting a line through any speculation of a potential England recall.

Clarke said the decision to sack Pietersen was a "brave one" as England look to rebuild following the disastrous Ashes tour and Andy Flower stepping down as team director. His message to England supporters clamouring for Pietersen's return was to "move on".

"Who plays for England is a matter for the national selectors and their decision was a brave one," Clarke told the Evening Standard. "You select your captain, you discuss what that captain requires, what he's looking for. He has to decide what that team is about and what needs doing. This is about the culture of the team."

Pietersen was sacked in February for breaking team ethics and the only possible path back into the national side would be via a new head coach who insisted on Pietersen's selection. Clarke appeared to have ruled out such a scenario.

"English supporters must move on. There isn't going to be any going back, that's for sure. The Ashes tour was a watershed.

"Your No. 3 batsman leaves the tour after the first Test. That's pretty cataclysmic, frankly. Then your world-class offspinner retires. You cannot stop men retiring even during a series. Then you lose the series. You've got to build a team. You're going to need to make changes."

Creating a new team ethic is at the heart of England's rebuilding, under new managing director Paul Downton, and Clarke is hoping English cricket can learn from rugby, where head coach Stuart Lancaster has led a revival.

"Lancaster has done a fantastic job," Clarke said. "In a very short space of time, he has sorted out English rugby. He's talked the language of teams that Paul Downton and I like very much.

"Paul said to me, 'If you look at the most successful sporting team over the last 100 years, of course, it is the All Blacks'. One of the fundamentals they live by is the team. You just don't get to play if you don't believe in it. In the end the team must matter."

Pietersen may have been judged to not believe in Team England anymore but the Delhi Daredevils feel he is the right man for them, appointing him as captain for the new IPL season. Delhi are coached by Gary Kirsten - seen by many as the outstanding candidate to become England's new head coach; Kirsten has ruled himself out of the running.

England will appoint a new head coach in May ahead of the Test series against Sri Lanka but for the immediate future they enter their second World T20 running without the player who led them to their maiden global title in 2010, when Pietersen was Man of the Series in the Caribbean. Their preparations took a further blow with a crushing defeat to West Indies in their opening warm-up match in Fatullah.

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Posted by ruester on (March 23, 2014, 12:17 GMT)

Hmmm Giles Clarke doesn't at all sound pompous and patronizing to us poor England fans who demand that the best player we have is picked. Please move on Giles and take with you Cook as captain. Does anyone find it extraordinary that the head coach of our national team, left the job with hardly any interviews (if any!) Flower needs to front up and say why KP was so hard for him and Cook to manage.

Posted by nareshgb1 on (March 23, 2014, 10:36 GMT)

so are they giving special "how to do a team spirited high five" training to the England team to foster the right culture? Gee....would be fun and hopefully they will get opportunities to exercise the whole darned thing on the field.

Posted by StJohn on (March 20, 2014, 17:04 GMT)

KPgate continues. Interesting that Clarke says that cricket should learn from rugby when Sir Clive Woodward has said that he didn't think it was right to sack KP, that you have to find a way of managing and working with your best players and even when England won the rugby world cup in 2003 it wasn't all sweetness and light behind the scenes. If cricket is to learn from rugby, then it seems KP should be recalled.

Posted by StJohn on (March 20, 2014, 17:00 GMT)

Interesting that Clarke says that cricket should learn from rugby when Sir Clive Woodward has said that he didn't think it was righ to sack KP, that you have to find a way of managing and working with your best players and even when England won the rugby world cup in 2003 it wasn't all sweetness and light behind the scenes. If cricket is to learn from rugby, then it seems KP should be recalled.

Posted by   on (March 20, 2014, 9:11 GMT)

without kp no cricket for England

Posted by kallis57 on (March 20, 2014, 0:07 GMT)

Giles Clark, a grandfather clock in a digital age. KP was the highest scorer in Australia and second top scorer in England. Clark ignores the role of the selectors for some bizarre selections for the Ashes including the injured Tremlett Bresnan Rankin, the out of form Prior and Panesar and the un-selectable Finn. Not taking Onions and his 70 odd wickets was another joke. Cook is the worst captain I have ever seen on a cricket pitch, his field placings are both robotic and ultra defensive, his dislike of KP was obvious from the time he stuck him on the boundary.

Posted by wapuser on (March 19, 2014, 21:26 GMT)

As long as this guy is at the helm of ECB and Ashley Giles the head coach, I can only see England team sliding down...it would be boring to watch too....what a losss for cricket fans everywhere.. I hope KP enjoys his time outside Int schedules.. All the best KP..

Posted by SpiritofPaynter on (March 19, 2014, 20:33 GMT)

I look forward to supporting England regardless of who they play, but am pleased that they have shut the door, albeit two years too late. I will print off all the negative comments to amuse me in the autumn after a successful summer with the young bloods.

Posted by UndertheGrill on (March 19, 2014, 19:01 GMT)

It's clear that Clarke views the England fans as an inconvenience to be barely tolerated. I personally can't wait for the rebuilding process at the ECB to begin, so that we can move on from Clarke once and for all.

Posted by Harvey on (March 19, 2014, 18:36 GMT)

Maybe it's not England cricket fans but Giles Clarke who needs to move on. Many of us haven't forgotten that the only reason England cricket has not yet been completely destroyed by his handiwork was the timely FBI investigation into the affairs of a certain Allen Stanford.

Posted by adamhw on (March 19, 2014, 17:45 GMT)

It is worrying that Clarke is taking such faith from this analogy with rugby. Cricket, and in particular batsmanship, is a very different game. When you are batting out in the middle it is, simply, you against the bowler; you are not dependent upon your teammates being there to clear out the ruck, to push with you in the scrum, to be in the right place to take the pass, etc etc; and they are not dependent upon you when they are batting. Although people like to pretend otherwise, cricket is a game made up, ball by ball, of separate, individual performances. If a batsman scores runs, he should be in the team, regardless of how difficult a character he is. Another worrying aspect to the analogy is that Lancaster's only option was to start afresh, given the state of the English rugby team for a number of years prior to his taking over. Precisely the opposite is true in relation to the English cricket team. We should be trying to keep a team which has touched greatness - not dismantle it

Posted by   on (March 19, 2014, 16:41 GMT)

i am from pakistan but i always suports england team, and KP is my fave playar.. but now he is out of team, i don't know why ECB doing like this.. T20 best plyar in the world but not slected in team,,,

Posted by steve48 on (March 19, 2014, 15:33 GMT)

My last words on this, honestly! To make a nonsense of the rugby analogy, will Sonny Bill Williams be back in an All Black shirt if he is playing well? Yes, despite choosing rugby league and boxing over the game when he wants to! Why? Because he is potentially a great player, adding something unique to the side. A bit like KP at the Oval against Australia, Headingly against South Africa, the dominant ton in India, the last world T20 we allowed him to play in, etc. All 'team' is about is all players trying their best to win. This will inevitably lead to different opinions when you are losing. And frankly, if anyone supports Cook over KP on the fallout over practice against a one off fitness session, 2 days before a match, well I give up! We don't know everything, but what has been leaked only supports KP! I mean, to say he didn't' Gauge the mood ' of the PRIVATE team meeting, what does that mean exactly? You are supposed to speak your mind! ECB wants control over performance. End of..

Posted by Front-Foot-Lunge-Needs-A-Hug on (March 19, 2014, 14:49 GMT)

I say all England supporters should turn up for England's first international fixture this summer with "where's KP?". Not only dropping but sacking your best player is lunacy. How could a group of adults not have sorted this out? Yet they retain players like Prior, Root, Bairstow, Tremlett etc who have nothing. KP is box office and cricket is both sport and entertainment business so good fortune to the Dehli fans as KP will be lighting up your games while the ECB start to realise who is boss - the paying viewers and fans.

Posted by Admiral55 on (March 19, 2014, 14:21 GMT)

This is just embarrassing. I cringe when I think what other nations must be thinking about the ECB. Well done Clarke - you demonstrate perfectly just how arrogant and out of touch you and the rest of the ECB are. Come back in a year's time and ask the England cricket following public whether they agree that having a "good team ethic" has been worth it whilst England get beaten by allcomers.

As for saying that there is no going back on the KP decision despite a new coach coming in, no decent coach is going to take the role if they can't have their best team. So that can only mean that the new coach has already had a part to play in the decision...I'm not even sure that bringing back KP would help England with Ashley Giles in charge.

Posted by cloudmess on (March 19, 2014, 13:30 GMT)

Team spirit is an illusion glimpsed in the aftermath of victory - winning is what counts, and you need your best players on the park for that. Having the right people running English cricket also matters, which I certainly don't think is the case at the moment.

Posted by deepmankar on (March 19, 2014, 13:25 GMT)

Being Indian I am fan of English team too KP is best player and good character I have ever seen I will wear KP t shirt at lords for upcoming test against India

Posted by Pipthebear on (March 19, 2014, 13:10 GMT)

I have travelled over the world with England for many years but certainly won't be again. There was always going to be a fall out after the Ashes tour but to discard your best player is lunacy. This outcome is a reflection of how poor Englands management is, nothing else. It has made England unsupportable and i know many people who feel the same. Why support a team who's entire management ethos and stucture makes you whince? The supporters should come first and clearly that area hasn't even been looked at. Shocking times.

Posted by 2.14istherunrate on (March 19, 2014, 12:51 GMT)

Clarke is really in the wrong century. We are not just his little minnions whom he can wve off shouting angrily and tell us what goes. He is an anachronism. It's alright gewtting his sheepdog to move the sheep around-and this is Cook's strength too- but some of us are people with our minds and self determining attitudes. I sup[pose he could join the cabinet and then he might look in place.

Posted by   on (March 19, 2014, 12:39 GMT)

Maybe if Pietersen's form drops they'll select him for England. I think Giles Clarke is right - it's just not fair to play your strongest team (or even close). England should never be a number 1 team, and as for winning a world Cup, well we made that mistake once before but will never again. How can the sport be called cricket if we don't play it fairly and give other teams a chance to win? Well done Mr Clarke - keep an eye on that Root chappy, he looks too good too!

Posted by manoftheseries on (March 19, 2014, 12:33 GMT)

Classic example of English management arrogance. Trott is in the firing line for running away from the aussie pace attack. Even after his open statement that it is not due to stress he came out no one except Vaughan voiced their concerns. On the other hand the highest scorer for England in the ashes is sacked. clearly shows only one thing. Eng management is treating the players like kids and no freedom to express their feelings/concerns about the team or the coach. KP like any other world player is after IPL money as well and would like to play IPL and I think that's where the problem started. Clash of Egos and a scape goat for England's failure is KP. Shame on the English management.

Posted by milepost on (March 19, 2014, 10:46 GMT)

Well if anyone thinks sacking the best player in the country is a swell idea they should probably seek the help of a shrink. Surely adults, grown men, professional sports and business people could sit down and work it out? Apparently not, that is the most amazing aspect of this whole thing. Flower has destroyed English cricket and yet he still has a job with the ECB, whilst KP gets to go and play T20 making millions. Why should we let the ECB be one of the top 3 running the ICC when they can't even manage their own problems properly!

Posted by Chris1881 on (March 19, 2014, 10:38 GMT)

After 5 years of passively reading Cricinfo, this issue has moved me to write.

I applaud all the comments that Clarke is arrogant, the 'Team England' mgmt is muddled & that the new set up appears to be more about fitting in than winning.

As the bullying & blustering Clarke knows, England supporters will continue to support England. That is just the way things are.

I shall, however, ensure that my family are suitably attired for our day at the India test.

KP t shirts will be worn.

Posted by   on (March 19, 2014, 9:46 GMT)

fact is what makes him think he decides surely the coach(a new one possibly) and all the selectors decide? fact is either explain what has happened to clarify the situation or everyone will carry on wondering what happened... if they were going to drop him he should of never played for england after 2012 sa series... they seem to have no idea what they are doing i think a clear out of the backroom staff selectors and chairman would be a better option than sacking players ...

Posted by steve48 on (March 19, 2014, 9:39 GMT)

I sometimes wonder how top paid officials qualify, or at least get, their jobs! Yes, the selectors must do what they think us right, but PLEASE don't flippantly tell the paying public to 'move on ', especially when the decision you have made so blatantly damages our teams short term performance. We are England fans, and can't move on! Who else can we support? Or is that the whole point, we are stuck with whatever they choose to do? Either way, Clarke, and/or whoever advised him to make this statement should be out of a job. Unbelievably bad PR.

Posted by Manxmuppet on (March 19, 2014, 9:29 GMT)

The best team in the world are, by some stretch, the All Blacks. And guess what?.......they pick their best players.

So it's all about the "culture of the team" is it? Personally, I thought it was more about winning. I think that team culture is normally better in a successful team than one that is getting hammered every time they walk out onto a pitch.

I guess both the England team and the supporters are moving on. The problem is that the place to which we're moving doesn't look all that good from here.

Posted by Burnham on (March 19, 2014, 9:28 GMT)

Seems to me it's time Clarke moved on!

Posted by SpiritofPaynter on (March 19, 2014, 9:10 GMT)

Absolutely right - put team first, start with fresh blood and be patient. Pietersen's average over last eighteen months is no argument for his continuing selection. What happens in T20 is irrelevant to going forward in other formats. Let's not analyse every humdrum 20/20.

Posted by cricketcricket1987 on (March 19, 2014, 8:55 GMT)

I really dislike this bloke - who does he think he is!! I think England fans should boycott attending England matches until our number 1 player is reintergrated yet again.

Posted by DadofCobalt on (March 19, 2014, 8:55 GMT)

It's about time somebody reminded this arrogant management team that professional sport is about entertaining the paying spectator. Whatever else KP may be, he is a supreme entertainer. Entertaining is not an adjective I'd use to describe the current England ODI and T20 side.

Posted by   on (March 19, 2014, 8:52 GMT)

The problem is, it's about more than KP.

Think Nick Compton. Dropped after a couple of tricky matches against New Zealand, did all the right things to get back in the team but was roundly ignored. Joe Root shuffled up and down the order pretty much on a whim. The Finn+Tremlett+Rankin debacle. No reserve wicket-keeper for the Ashes.

And the failure to notice that Swann AND Trott were burnt out.

To me it looks like a case of management gone bad, players are being assigned roles in the team based on description/stats with absolutely no consideration of form, exhaustion, or the opposition. Any players who question the approach are marked as 'bad apples' and 'not team players', and subject to exclusion which makes things worse. Of course, when things inevitability go wrong it is always a complete surprise to the management, and never their fault.

Posted by JG2704 on (March 19, 2014, 8:48 GMT)

Have to say I find Clarke a very arrogant person from when I've heard him talk.

He says people (supporters) must move on but then (IMO) they have sacked England's big box office player and not given the fans a satisfactory explanation and expected folk to just take his word for it. This was a guy who publicly said (re Textgate) that he (on KP being reinstated) believed there was nothing derogatory in the texts but then why was KP suspended.

I'm sure fans would respect him/ECB if they elaborated more on what led to KP being sacked. There will be die hard KP fans who will back KP no matter what but he may find that the ECB would have more support if the fans knew a bit more. Remember Mancini/Tevez at Man City. Mancini came out straight away and said what the problem with Tevez was and the City fans backed Mancini despite Tevez being such a fans favourite. If Mancini had just outed Tevez and left City fans in the lurch do we think the City fans would have backed Mancini?

Posted by EdGreen on (March 19, 2014, 8:46 GMT)

When the stuffed shirts are in charge and making this kind of statement about a sport they've never coached or played professionally then the reasons why the England national side are currently awful become clearer.

Posted by 21tu on (March 19, 2014, 8:36 GMT)

KP a great batsman of all time England had.Its surprise the management has taken a stupid decesion on KP.How can the a team depend on only one player hoping to win the ashes series.What about the other players,,isnt it a team spirit that England belive.Look at the Asian Teams how they perform.Englishmen thought Cricket to the world but today sorry!! you have to rebuild not only the team the whole ECB.We miss KP you are the cariber of David Gower,Ian Botham Graham Thorp and Alan Lamb.At least we can watch you in IPL,Good luck TO YOU KP.

Posted by Harlequin. on (March 19, 2014, 8:30 GMT)

What planet is this guy on?!

You lose your no. 3 and a world class spinner, so that is the best time to get rid another linchpin in the side?! No!

How about instead of rugby, we look at something more relevant; the best cricket team of the past 100 years; Australia. Rather than oust their troublemaking mavericks, they seem to build a team around them.

Lastly, daniel_fishman, I agree. With this statement from Clarke, what has been suspected for some time has been confirmed; the ECB couldn't give a 4X about the fans, so I would imagine a good number will move on to different teams/sports.

Posted by Paul_Somerset on (March 19, 2014, 8:09 GMT)

I've already moved on, Clarke. I'm now looking forward to a summer attending horse racing and watching the football World Cup.

I'll still keep an eye on your team's results, though, Clarke. Just to smile at your ongoing humiliations and the deluded PR spin with which you think you're justifying them. I call it "your team", Clarke, and not "England", because it sure as hell doesn't feel like my team any more.

Posted by   on (March 19, 2014, 7:56 GMT)

So it was due to KP that Egland lost the Ashes ? If he was the cause why was he kept in the team right until the end ? You can relate these stories to people who don't know about managing people. Some may have to get their own upstairs checked.. Joke of the year ! If just one player can make such an impact on the team and it's management. Then this guy should be ruling the country.. This is all cry baby stuff.. Admit the fact that Australia were a better side and we were not prepared for what was coming.. Who should be sacked now ????? Up to you ECB ! Take a leaf from our national game , football. When a team doesn't perform , it's the managers job that's at risk. Not the players..

Posted by   on (March 19, 2014, 7:47 GMT)

So it was due to KP that Egland lost the Ashes ? If he was the cause why was he kept in the team right until the end ? You can relate these stories to people who don't know about managing people. Some may have to get their own upstairs checked.. Joke of the year ! If just one player can make such an impact on the team and it's management. Then this guy should be ruling the country.. This is all cry baby stuff..

Posted by   on (March 19, 2014, 7:18 GMT)

Going to miss watching him bat but obviously the less popular teamste since Boycs

Posted by daniel_fishman on (March 19, 2014, 6:56 GMT)

Sure, I'll move on... to another team. Or possibly another sport.

Posted by wapuser on (March 19, 2014, 6:29 GMT)

Ok KP was England's best match winner agreed .His treatment was bad agreed .But he was 34 .He wouldn't have been playing in 2015 ashes I think .He would have retired before that. His absence in 2015 WC is bad though .His form (though he was eng s highest runscorer ) was patchy in ashes at best. Move on support the young team England fans ,sure they aren't gonna win a lot in recent future but I don't think they'll go back to 90s .A big factor in the 90 s was Aussie dominance over England but Even though they are returning to be a force in cricket again do not expect the kind of dominance of the 90s as a lot of their core is in the 30 s.Clarke Johnson Harris Haddin Watson.

Posted by wasimahm on (March 19, 2014, 5:52 GMT)

There hasn't been a batsman as good as KP since David Gower for England. And they drop him because he allegedly stood up to a lousy captain. God save the Pommies... because they are back to the days of Gooch, Atherton and Hussain.

Posted by punterdgr8 on (March 19, 2014, 5:24 GMT)

@ahmed hussain,great quote.absolutely hilarious!!!!!!

Posted by Dani16 on (March 19, 2014, 4:54 GMT)

We'll move on only when we find a talent matching him. A matchwinner of his class is needed for us. Maybe you management are satisfied with building teams for years with no clear purpose. For one, we've been telling we need WC2015. But now it all looks like a drawing on beach!

Posted by PrasPunter on (March 19, 2014, 4:20 GMT)

@TimmyFromTimbuktu , well said. Haven't seen a talent like KP in English whites for ages. Is it a coincidence that Eng won 4 Ashes since 2005 and KP is part of all of them ( barring 2009 ) ? Without KP, Eng have gone back to the 90s' for sure - one or two good batsmen, too many bits-and-pieces players and a couple of bowlers who would do well when conditions favor them. See how Aus used to manage Warne.

Posted by   on (March 19, 2014, 4:20 GMT)

It's good KP is gone, Atleast now cook and the boys won't have an easy scapegoat! Let's see how many matches ENG win with the ethics without KP!

Posted by David_Bofinger on (March 18, 2014, 23:40 GMT)

"Your No. 3 batsman leaves the tour after the first Test. [...] Then your world-class offspinner retires. [...] You're going to need to make changes." If I understand Clarke correctly he's saying that he lost two players so he needed to sack a third. I don't know whether dropping KP was a good idea or a bad one, but the reason is terrible. (I left out some bits for brevity but I don't think it affects the analysis.)

Posted by 2.14istherunrate on (March 18, 2014, 23:12 GMT)

Being told to move on by Clarke is not the answer. It is time Clarke moved on. It is time the supporters had their say or ECB can risk the support dwindling. Sometimes people power has to win. Spoiling our entertainment for the summer is not the answer. Watching Cook bat will be no pleasure. I for one, an England supporter since 1967 will be supporting whoever England are playing. End of story.

Posted by   on (March 18, 2014, 23:08 GMT)

We will only move on when it is proved that England can do it without him which I doubt will be never, our trouble is we think we can hold out and win on low scores below 150 but, as proved by the warm up against West Indies, we can't.

Posted by luggang on (March 18, 2014, 22:42 GMT)

I wish giles Clarke would move on, he's a big black cloud sitting over English cricket with his "its all about money" attitude, the decision to take cricket off terrestrial TV has done for the sport in the UK

Posted by   on (March 18, 2014, 22:36 GMT)

Hmm - the British politician Tony Benn, who died at the weekend, used to say there were 4 simple questions to ask anyone in/with power as a test of democracy:

- What power do you have? - Where did you get it from? - In whose interests do you exercise it? - And how do we get rid of you?

I've been wondering that about the ECB for some time. Irrespective of whether or not I disagree with the decision over KP.

Posted by jb633 on (March 18, 2014, 22:27 GMT)

The KP media coverage is getting so boring. We do get it cricinfo, KP will not play for England again and unanimously the fans regard this as a poor decision. Please can the cricketing world move on to a different headline.

Posted by geoffboyc on (March 18, 2014, 22:03 GMT)

The comparison with Stuart Lancaster and English rugby is ludicrous. In a contact sport where all the players are out there together for the whole game (all 80 minutes) in an intense atmosphere then a team ethic is vital. When a professional cricketer goes out to bat or runs in to bowl what has happened in or around the dressing room shouldn't make a scrap of difference to what he does with the bat or ball. Obviously you want players to get on together, but not as the be all and end all; i.e. as a replacement for talent and ability. And I'm not a big KP fan.

Posted by TimmyFromTimbuktu on (March 18, 2014, 21:59 GMT)

"A new team ethic". The first principle of seems to be: uncommon talent is not welcome.

Posted by chicko1983 on (March 18, 2014, 21:55 GMT)

Stand up if youre five nil up! Stand up if youre five nil up!

Posted by alexkrish on (March 18, 2014, 21:42 GMT)

"Who plays for England is a matter for the national selectors and their decision was a brave one," Clarke told the Evening Standard. The management should not forget that the "England" here refers to the fans of England and Wales cricket. The fact is that the chairman and selectors could all be replaced next year by this time, if the new"team" is thrashed by everyone. So it is too arrogant to say KP will not return.

Gary Kirsten may be able to show ECB management as to how to get the best out of your better players.

Posted by 200ondebut on (March 18, 2014, 21:24 GMT)

If the ECB was a supermarket - then perhaps many would move on. It isnt. It is our only national side.

A shame Clarke doesnt take some of his own advice. ECB need to move on and modernise. The fact he says the KP decision was a brave one - just goes to show it wasn't clear cut. if it was clear cut then it would be described as obvious or the only decision - not brave.

Posted by chechong0114 on (March 18, 2014, 21:10 GMT)

If KP was a West Indian cricketer I would totally agree with his behavior, but the ECB unlike the WICB is a very professional organization and they have exhausted all attempts wit this man to no avail. Just imagine he had issues with Andrew Strauss I mean really! Strauss had soo much success as England captain winning Ashes series in England and Australia as well, now he is having issues wit Cook's decisions in the just concluded Ashes, KP had his chance as captain of the England team too and it was not that great. This decision by ECB I am sure was no easy one but I do commend them for their decision to let this man go he was nothing but a thorn in England's flesh. On the other hand the Dehli Daredevils have decided to make him captain of their franchise so opportunity has again availed itself to him, he is now captain and XO of this ship lets see in what direction they will go.

Posted by   on (March 18, 2014, 21:08 GMT)

KP was England Best batsman trully matchwinner

Posted by tinkertinker on (March 18, 2014, 21:08 GMT)

So the new coach comes in having to be told who he can and can't have in his side, compromised before they even start the job.

Posted by StraightBat10 on (March 18, 2014, 21:08 GMT)

I thought Cricket was a Spectator Sport - Why is fans' opinion not being considered here. The England setup is once again look like they are playing for themselves only. Not just England, world cricket is at a loss due to this premature retirement of a great player. He is not the first maverick in sport and won't be the last but it is what these guys do on the field is what counts, its what brings the fan to the game. The prospect of watching Dale Steyn bowling at KP on a fast pitch has been dealt a blow by people who have given team politics more importance than sheer flair. One can see he was the odd one out, as being outgoing and outspoken in this team, especially since Freddy left. Funnier things have happened in cricket - personally I still would'nt rule out a comeback.

Posted by vstrider on (March 18, 2014, 20:55 GMT)

Wow, still so much love for KP, the guy got too big for his boots and is a liability, we don't need him and we don't want him, i support england not the KP club...

Arrogant waste of space

Posted by southstoke49 on (March 18, 2014, 20:50 GMT)

That's the last time I buy an England ticket then...............Clarke has also ruled out any decent coaches who may have ideas on the best team in his statement.

Some sort of boycott should be started-& I don't mean Geoffrey.

Posted by Inspector_Clouseau on (March 18, 2014, 20:31 GMT)

"You select your captain, you discuss what that captain requires, what he's looking for. He has to decide what that team is about and what needs doing...", which captain are you talking about. T20 captain Broad would have wanted KP for sure. It's the test captain Cook that didn't want KP isn't it? Cook doesn't even play T20s. Ludicrous!

Posted by   on (March 18, 2014, 20:24 GMT)

Good. Most people call it an act of cowardice on ECB's part, I say it takes great courage to stand firm by the decision taken in the face of such stringent criticism from everywhere. Kudos to ECB.

Posted by   on (March 18, 2014, 20:23 GMT)

"Brave" ??? Arrogant and clueless (and typical of ECB) - absolutely.

Posted by waitara on (March 18, 2014, 19:55 GMT)

Those who keep on saying cricket is not so much a team game clearly do not follow test cricket. Especially this last southern hemisphere summer (think Clarke v. SA, McCullum v. India, etc, etc). Of course KP should be in a wholly different, quickfire T20 league like the IPL. But it's difficult to imagine a game that is more dependent on the right spirit in players than test cricket. The brilliance of Ryder does not come near to countering the negative effects on the other 14 of someone who does not ascribe to basic team values and embarrasses the team and a nation. KP is a great batsman, but from all accounts it would be hard to find a worse team member. I for one would always prefer to play - any sport - with the journeyman who gives 100% than an indifferent show pony.

Posted by uberBadger on (March 18, 2014, 19:33 GMT)

The analogy with rugby is flawed since cricket is a far more individual game, but since Mr Clarke has raised the subject: Stuart Lancaster has been in the job for 3 seasons but hasn't actually won anything yet, so what evidence is there that the 'language of teams' translates to results on the pitch? I can point to numerous instances where the flair of KP has changed the course of a game or a series.

Giles Clarke is wrong. The England team would be stronger on the pitch with KP playing, and ultimately that's the only argument that matters.

Posted by Stumay on (March 18, 2014, 19:13 GMT)

As long as they all get along, don't challenge Cook or Prior and take their cues from a rugby team, they'll be fine. As for actually winning something, well, it's the friendships that count, isn't it? Isn't it?

Posted by   on (March 18, 2014, 18:57 GMT)

As an pround Englishman I'm embarrased by my fellow Englishmen who are desperate to get KP back in the team, have they no ethics to want this selfish arrogant man back who only thinks about himself!

Posted by MarkTaffin on (March 18, 2014, 18:41 GMT)

I do wonder if the ECB has taken into account the potential public backlash at the sacking of its greatest entertainer, the contributions of Cook, and Prior among others, and just how the viewing public will react after the debacle in Australia.

Posted by Farooq3 on (March 18, 2014, 18:40 GMT)

"Who plays for England is a matter for the national selectors and their decision was a brave one," Clarke told the Evening Standard. - Brave or Reckless - only time will tell!

Posted by Narkovian on (March 18, 2014, 18:37 GMT)

Its a real conndrum. Agree with @TurningSquare in many respects. But also totally agree with Giles Clarke ( amazingly for me!). Team is pretty much everything. Very very few exceptions to that. Anyone who has played team sport at any level knows the KP types. Doesn't matter how good they are, you're glad to see the back of them. I also hope we can find a few players with "flair" and don't become a boring "method" team who play by numbers. Hopefully ones who don't punch locker doors when they get out ! Delhi are welcome to have him. Us England fans will soon get over it. Looking forward to see how India get on against ENG this ummer. If they lose they will no doubt blame the conditions.. AGAIN. ..IND have the batting to win. Bowling is another matter.

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (March 18, 2014, 18:33 GMT)

Let's see what happens shortly after England go crashing out of the World T20 tournament after very early stages.

Posted by jackiethepen on (March 18, 2014, 18:32 GMT)

What team would that be TurningSquare? There isn't an England team at present. Cook, Bell, Anderson, Broad are all that's left. Whoever comes in will make their own mark we hope. Let's have less of the cliches please. As for Giles Clarke he cannot foresee what the future may bring. It could bring his own replacement. If England continue to fail and the team ethos fails to ignite the team, he could pay the price. Comparing one sport to another is not helpful, especially a team game like football or rugby to cricket. Cricket has always been a stage for individual achievements by its very nature. Hasn't Clarke noticed that? He is just mouthing cliches as well. A team ethos is not necessarily a good thing if it crushes players and tries to make them conform. Paul has spent years in the City at the Stock Exchange. Is he really an expert on top level cricket? Gary Kirsten is acknowledged to be the best coach around. He has chosen KP as captain. Sounds as though he has a different opinion.

Posted by Martensad on (March 18, 2014, 18:17 GMT)

Cricket is not really a team sport in the same way as rugby. Bowling and batting are essentially individual skills, whereas rugby is the supreme co-operative team sport. But even rugby can find room for bolshie non-conformists occasionally. I don't think KP's commitment to the team was ever in doubt. It's just that he is an awkward, argumentative individual. ECB are mistaking conformism for team spirit. They will have their team of yes men, but will that be a recipe for success? I doubt it.

Posted by steve48 on (March 18, 2014, 18:16 GMT)

Someone needs to explain to Mr. Clarke the difference between bravery and arrogance. As supporters we have the right to lobby and complain as much as we like about the omission of any eligible player if we feel he merits a place in OUR team, especially when we are looking as shambolic as our T20 side is at present. Furthermore, in putting this decision at Alistair Cook's door as firmly as this statement reads, undue power and pressure is being given to him, especially with all the misgivings that exist with the press and supporters about his ability as a captain. Is there a plot afoot to alienate us all from our governing body? If so, they are doing well!

Posted by ViratDevilliersFan on (March 18, 2014, 18:04 GMT)

spot on clarke..neither kp is interestedin puttin up english jersey anymore.. englands gonna struggle for decades now... cheers

Posted by warnerbasher on (March 18, 2014, 18:01 GMT)

The test of this "team ethic" will come with the handling of Trott. If they are fair dinkum Trott should never play for England again after deserting the tour. As for KP one can't help feeling that there has been a spectacular man management failure by Cook and Flower on this issue and that KP has been made the playing fall guy. Given the dullards that make up the current England batting order many English fans might"move on" as seriously who would pay money to watch this lot.

Posted by TurningSquare on (March 18, 2014, 17:57 GMT)

Maybe one day we'll find out what really happened, and we England fans are extremely grateful for KP's contribution to our team. Big changes need to be made to ensure we let natural flair and unorthodox skill prosper in our country rather than being shunned. There's no reason we can't have our own home grown KP in the near future. Believe it or not none of us want to see the timid unimaginative style of our current team.

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