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England prepare for spring clean

Alan Gardner

March 30, 2014

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Ashley Giles during England's training session, North Sound, February 27, 2014
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As England prepare to leave the World T20, disappointed at failing to go further but sustained by small signs of encouragement, Ashley Giles was looking forward to continuing the regeneration process. Spring provides the opportunity for renewal and, although Giles is not certain to oversee England's new era, the forthcoming season appears ripe with opportunity.

Giles will return to begin preparations for an interview with the ECB for the vacant position of head coach, uniting the Test and limited-overs roles that were split under Andy Flower's aegis at the end of 2012. Giles is favourite for a job that he "would love to do" and, while he is still honing his style as an international coach, his first principles are apparent: hard work, positivity and a sense of the commonweal. His praise for the "ego-less group" that England took to Bangladesh was telling.

There was recognition, too, that England's performance have sunk to an unacceptable low over the last six months, in which they lost 12-1 across all formats in Australia before achieving mixed results in the Caribbean and Bangladesh.

"We are all disappointed with where the team is," Giles said. "Losing games of cricket is not fun, losing series and getting knocked out of World Cups is not fun. We are here to build and we try to do that every day. Going forward we have to work incredibly hard and be better in a lot of departments than we are. We have to better our position across the board, skills, fielding, fitness - all areas we need to pinpoint. Not so much one percenters but 10 percenters where we need to improve to make sure that we win games.

"That will take time. If you are looking for a quick fix or for some magician to come in with a wand then that ain't going to happen. We need to develop our young players and look after and keep pushing our senior players. There should be no easy way out into retirement. We have some great senior assets around - James Anderson for example who is incredibly professional. We need to keep him fresh and keep him hungry for the betterment of English cricket."

Achieving a blend between youth and experience will be a focus during the forthcoming visits of Sri Lanka and India. Kevin Pietersen's name will not darken England team sheets anymore, while the retirement of Graeme Swann leaves a significant hole in the side that was challenging near the top of all three formats little more than a year ago. Considering that players such as Andrew Strauss and Paul Collingwood have yet to be adequately replaced, whoever is appointed by the ECB will need to be a master builder.

Giles' CV as limited-overs coach lists an appearance in the Champions Trophy final alongside seven series defeats, though his hand was often diminished by England's rotation policy. A fresh group was utilised against West Indies and for the World T20 and Giles pointed to the performances of Michael Lumb, Alex Hales, Moeen Ali and Chris Jordan as reasons for optimism. While he was unable to explain how the most successful England team for a generation fell apart so catastrophically, Giles is eager to initiate the renaissance.

Thoughtful and measured in his responses, Giles does not seem to be as authoritarian as Flower appeared by the end of his time as team director. He said, however, that his time in charge during a period of success for Warwickshire meant he was tough enough for what will be a demanding job. "There's a time to be prescriptive, when teams are rebuilding, and there's a time for freedom. You have to strike a balance," he said

 
 
I'm not trying to please anyone or keep the guys happy, we've worked really hard through this trip, I think I've had the attention and commitment of the players and I think they've enjoyed it, barring the losing games. There's a good atmosphere in the camp, an extremely ego-less group of players we've got, which is healthy to work with. Ashley Giles
 

"I'm not trying to please anyone or keep the guys happy, we've worked really hard through this trip, I think I've had the attention and commitment of the players and I think they've enjoyed it, barring the losing games. There's a good atmosphere in the camp, an extremely ego-less group of players we've got, which is healthy to work with. Others will make the decision on whether I'm the man to do the job."

An optional training session the day before England's game against South Africa offered a possible glimpse of the future, as Paul Collingwood faced Giles, Mushtaq Ahmed, David Saker and even Graham Thorpe in the nets while the players warmed up. Such levity may have been inspired by the previous night's stunning win over Sri Lanka but it seems whistling while you work will not be frowned upon. Later, the whole team returned to practise catching under lights, recognition that hard work and play are interdependent.

Asked about the central tenets of a Giles regime, he said: "Reigniting your pride in playing for your country, and what that means. What does that mean? Well, actually it should mean everything in how hard you work, in how you practice, in how you look after yourself off the field, that shows a commitment to what you do."

This chimes with the "team ethic" credo espoused by Paul Downton, the ECB's new managing director, when it was announced that Pietersen was to be dispensed with. Chris Tremlett last week became the latest member of England's Ashes touring party to murmur his support for Pietersen but Giles was only willing to look forward in his discussion of the dressing room.

"Some of the best players in the world have big egos and you need those game-changing players but I'm not going to get dragged into the same debate again. It's been a really good atmosphere and guys have been committed. Disciplinary-wise there have been no real issues - there's always a couple of rumblings. But it's been really good and the results could have been better but it's been a really good group to work with."

Beyond the challenges of England's home season, Giles said he believed England could be "genuine contenders" for the 2015 World Cup. Whether involving Giles or an incoming coach, discussions will take place with Alastair Cook, the Test and ODI captain, and Stuart Broad, who said he was uncertain about the T20 captaincy after defeat to South Africa ended their tournament. The question of Broad's long-term involvement in all three formats will also arise, as England seek to manage the wear and tear on one of their senior, and increasingly influential, players.

"Stu is a prime asset and we need to look after him," Giles said. "At the moment his knee is sore and whether it is rest or rehab he will need something done and we need him right. He has had a long winter but we will discuss that. The winter has opened up other options - Jordan has come to the fore as well and been really impressive and professional for his years."

For Giles, and players such as Jordan, James Taylor, Sam Robson and Scott Borthwick, to name a few, the coming months are rich with possibility. It is time to till the soil of English cricket again.

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Posted by   on (April 1, 2014, 10:09 GMT)

@rednwhitearmy Last 14 years in England in test matches England are indeed ahead - by 8-6. Over the same period Australia is ahead at home 15-4. That's what English dominance looks like.

Posted by Protears on (April 1, 2014, 9:44 GMT)

As the Zaltz said in one of his pieces, it is the failure of the English talent scouting system to fail to pick up AB de Villiers, Hashim Amla and Dale Steyn. Jokes aside its not as doom and gloom as it is said to be.

For the test team; Cook, Opener, Trott, Bell, Middle order, Keeper/Batsmen, Stokes, Broad, Anderson, Finn, Spinner. On balance it is not a bad team by any stretch. That despite the Australian and Asian fans having a dig at you.

Posted by arup_g on (April 1, 2014, 9:41 GMT)

Giles is NOT the man to lead the team forward in any format, let alone ODI and t20s, and Broad certainly is not the captain for t20s. England need to get out of their orthodox methods and thoughts and think like the top teams around the world.

They need someone who will be rilling to take risks, and pick exciting players. There doesn't seem to be many shortlisted for the England job, so Giles may get it, but he does not deserve it. He lacks inspiration and I don't think he is experienced enough.

England need to change their ODI and t20 captain, and Eoin Morgan is the man who should get it. Just like his batting, he has innovative ideas and with his experience of playing in t20 leagues around the world, he is a much more capable leader. Cook is the right man for the test team, but needs to stop being so defensive.

Posted by SoyQuearns on (April 1, 2014, 5:21 GMT)

@RednWhiteArmy - also, wow, that's a hilarious XI.

Let's see - so we have the stale/defensive/out of form Cook, an Aus, a Zim, Bell (respect), Ali (fair/fine), a SAF w/keeper who can't catch/bat, an NZ'er (good though, well pinched), a kid who can't bowl/bat, Broad (quality player, fine), Anderson (30+ avg sums him up accurately) and Onions (not top shelf but OK).

It's your analysis that is of humour.

It has two quicker bowlers (Stokes & Broad), then it has Jimmy "128km/h in Perth" Anderson and Onions, who is med-fast at best.

Where is this LS you speak of? There is a kid who rolls the arm over in much the same way as a LS, but there is no LS in your proposed side. Not at all.

Ali is a short-format containment option at best.

Trott already showed he has no heart, so save him for Bang and Zim tests.

The best of your side isn't even English, aside from Broad and Bell who, jokes aside, are quality.

Who could you rest, and who could you replace them with to still beat us again?LOL

Posted by SoyQuearns on (April 1, 2014, 5:09 GMT)

@RednWhiteArmy - keep dreaming mate, it is 2 wins in basically 8.5 years, and even then that's simply down to the delays. We thumped you 4-1 in 2001 (which isn't even 14 years ago, so nice maths there champ.

And best of luck resting anyone from your shambolic side and getting a win, you can't even beat the Dutch with a full-strength unit. Your spinner chickened out mid-tour and Trott is so weak he lasted one test.

Hilarious that you are beating on about the 2nd most recent Ashes mate, have you been able to wipe the 5-0 hiding in Australia from recent memory?

You are one of the few English fans that still exist on these forums, but instead of speaking in measured and credible tones you rant and rave like a sore loser.

Face it mate - your side is on a steep decline and, with no spinners or pace bowlers in sight (other than the highly overrated Anderson and Broad, who is actually legitimately good).

You have a meek, defensive test captain and no keeper. Hilarious your post.

#Maths.

Posted by GreenGoat on (April 1, 2014, 2:38 GMT)

ego-less is not a good thing. for my team, SL, the winning formula in the only world cup we won was Ranathunge's massive ego. Same with Aussie invincibles of the 90/00s and WI of 70/80s. Even now, see how Kohli's ego brings so much more into his game. he goes out each time to bat with the firm belief he can score 200 runs - ego is a natural byproduct of that kinda self assurance and world cricket has always been richer due to such fantastic performers...

Posted by   on (March 31, 2014, 15:18 GMT)

Think Giles does need to get into the debate about ego. This supposed egoless side has really fallen from any grace it had left. Surely a sense of self pride, a sense wanting to do well for oneself and country help to define ego. If one feels humiliated this suggests an ego. Think Giles and his group of lethargic egoless players need to enter the real world. Clearly this whole ego/egoless debate has attempted to mask the stupidity of sending KP into the wilderness. The sacking of KP looks even more ridiculous now.

Posted by Front-Foot_lunge on (March 31, 2014, 14:56 GMT)

As an England fan, it amazes me that there are still people on these comments section, who now seem to think that because we beat the Aussies 3-0 in our last summer that that somehow augurs well for the future. Did they not watch what has happened to our side over the winter? We need to move away from the thinking that has plagued our game 'that were doin' all right as long as we're beating Australia'. That sort of thinking means we will only measure ourselves against one nation and as shown here, despite our abysmal record over the entire winter, we'll just re-arrange the goasl to make sure we affirm to our deluded selves, that we are doing all right.

Real progress wont be made unless the ECB, fans and players start getting a realistic picture of the game. Something that wont happen until we learn to step out of Australia's shadow and the ignominy of this summers 5-0 defeat.

How do we do that? We appoint an Australian to coach our national side.

Posted by SixSmasher on (March 31, 2014, 12:59 GMT)

England would be better off with KP as player, coach and captain. That's the sad and laughable reality of it all.

Posted by Maxjin on (March 31, 2014, 12:51 GMT)

Hello all my dear friends

now this cup is over its time for England to change squad to allow some strong young Talents. Best Squad from my site of view. For T20. Craig Kieswetter, Jos Buttler, Samit Patel or Ravi Bopara, Johnny bairstow, Alex Hales, Chris Woakes, Stuart Broad, Luke Wright, Joe root, Scott borthwick, Eion Morgan, Tim bresnan, Stuart Meaker, Danny Briggs, Steven Davies. I have given this team this is the youngest and could be very good if they are Trained Do you all guys agree.

Posted by cloudmess on (March 31, 2014, 12:35 GMT)

Nutcutlet writes very fair-mindedly about Giles. He won't be a disaster, but you sense he is just too correct, too establishment-minded to be able to think outside the box and bring intuition, unorthodoxy and a touch of genius to the role the way Fletcher and Flower did. Giles is the obvious choice in more ways than one. He symbolises the historical face of English cricket. When Australia talk of great cricketers from their past, they are usually referring to great test players. But England celebrate no end of players who were only good at county level - WG Grace, Hirst, Rhodes, Warner, CB Fry, Allen, and many others would not be remembered if they had been Aussies. It is only in the past 15 years that I thought we had started to defeat this insular malaise, that was until the self-destruction of Flower. So welcome to the past everyone. Didn't we do well in the T20? We fought jolly hard and had a great bunch of lads who all remembered to say their pleases and thank-yous.

Posted by Nutcutlet on (March 31, 2014, 11:19 GMT)

It 'd be difficult to find a more solid citizen than Ashley Giles. He comes across as a man who's absolutely reliable, honest to a fault, companionable, even warm-hearted. Michael Vaughan counts him among his closest mates, but does it all add up to England's Head Coach at a time when England faces a couple of years of almost wholesale transistion, especially at Test level? Whilst his enthusiasm for the job can't be doubted, I wonder whether he is sufficiently radical in his thinking to really move Eng forward. He does not come across as a man who has a vision, a man who's prepared to go out on a limb. Could he - would he - pluck a Trescothick or a Vaughan from the ranks of county players? Would he back his hunches, as Fletcher did? Perhaps not. He is likely to make a worthy coach, but can he send England to the top of the pile? IMO, he'll supervise England as a mid-rank side, lacking the X factor that would propel them upwards. But who else really wants it? It looks a one-horse race.

Posted by ruester on (March 31, 2014, 11:19 GMT)

How depressing! Giles and his ethos has obviously done wonders for our results, we can barely win a game. I do wonder why having an ego is seen as a negative in a top sportsman, I struggle to think of any world class player who hasn't. Look at the Aussie team at present, they are chock full of egos and Watson and Clarke who have had a few run ins both manage to play together. Lehman did not drop Watson to protect Clarke from a desenting voice. maybe Cook could of learnt from Clarke and man up a bit before dropping our most talented player.

Posted by RednWhiteArmy on (March 31, 2014, 10:45 GMT)

@bilepost Considering australia's abysmal test record in England, i believe its two test match wins in the last 14 years, England could "rest" a few from the side i proposed & still bring cricket back to its rightful home. I look forward to hearing all the same excuses from your 3-0 ashes loss in 2013 being repeated again, remember all those, the umpires, DRS, pitch doctoring, silicone tape, weather etc?

Posted by   on (March 31, 2014, 10:28 GMT)

Giles as coach would continue current mistakes. Selection has become a joke Dernbach, Parry are woefully short of talent for international players. They seemed really shocked how much better Jordan bowled than Tremlett, Finn and Rankin when if they had actually watched/looked at the averages in the championship last year they might have realised he bowled better than them all summer. Borthwick is a promising talent but he was a batsman who bowled last summer picking him as a spinner is perverse. Interesting when South Africa beat England it was their best 2 test players (Amla and DeVilliers) who did the damage. England's best test Batsmen (Cook and Bell if you ignore KP) weren't playing! At this rate they'll bottom out with a team that would lose to the awful side Fletcher and Nasser picked to tour South Africa based on work ethic. Nasser himself admits ignoring talent as a selection criteria was a little foolish in retrospect. Hopeless, clueless, brainless, the England team!

Posted by Harlequin. on (March 31, 2014, 9:26 GMT)

Giles being made England coach would probably create a solid team, capable of grinding down test sides like WI or Bangladesh, or even SL at home. But against anyone with a bit of class about them; Steyn, Johnson or Kohli, England would struggle.

Basically what I am saying is that making Giles coach would be to follow the omnipresent mentality in the UK right now, which is the acceptance of the mediocre and the unwillingness to strive for greatness. For all his faults as a manager Flower at least had that hunger, as did another southern African who has recently left the England set up!!

Posted by SirViv1973 on (March 31, 2014, 9:24 GMT)

@Bosley1, If Eng are looking for a more dynamic approach to test cricket then having a look at Hales as an opening partner for Cook might not be a bad idea. If Cook is to open & Trott be reintroduced at 3 then we must have an opener who is able to get on with & score at a decent rate. AH does have a moderate FC ave in the mid 30s but that dosen't neccessarily mean he can't do a job for Eng in the longer format. I wouldn't go with Buttler just yet I think he needs a season with Lancs where he is keeping regularly and hopefully scoring runs and boosting what is a quite a poor FC record. I would go back to Prior for this summer. Before the back to back ashes series he would have been the best WK/batsman in test cricket. He has had a bad run but he should be given the chance to reastablish himself against the lest potent attacks of SRL & Ind.

Posted by ENGLANDEXPECTS on (March 31, 2014, 8:48 GMT)

So England want an ego less team of yes men. Good job Botham or Flinthoff are not around as they wouldn't get a game. How would this weak management handle Gayle or Warner, simple, like KP they would be ignored. Can you imagine the England football team going to the World Cup without Rooney just because he is difficult to manage. With this weak management selecting safe, boring players England will remain in the wilderness where they have spent most of the last thirty years.

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (March 31, 2014, 8:26 GMT)

@Stephen Axtell, I think that any progressive team is in a perpetual rebuild, however, in Englands case the Test team rebuilding started after Strauss retired in 2012 as we lost both the captain and a solid Opener.

Its also fair to say that the media often pushes the agenda building mountains out of molehills (a common trait in the UK tabloids). such that any change of personnel is the start of a 'rebuild'.

Posted by kapsitash on (March 31, 2014, 8:22 GMT)

English bowling has cost them in this T20 World Cup.Hales,Morgan,Lumb,Bopara played very well.

Posted by   on (March 31, 2014, 8:00 GMT)

@jmcilhinney, I beg to differ, these rebuilding articles have been coming out for a long time.

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (March 31, 2014, 7:28 GMT)

If giles is the man to move forward with the england Test team and is prepared to make tough decisions why in all thats rational does he still insist on playing the useless Jade Dernbach. England are by far a more balanced team when they dont have him playing.

His death bowling is woefull, rather than trying to keep it up in the block hole hes trying the 'mystery deliveries' which are NO LONGER a mystery and any half decent bastman licks his lips in anticipation.

Posted by   on (March 31, 2014, 7:15 GMT)

With out doubt we have the players but do we have the leadership? It would seem some of the off field decisions are quite puzzling. If a player is failing to perform (Dernbach) why would you keep picking him game after game and leave players you have dragged halfway around the world sitting on the bench. Maybe we should use a rotation system to keep the whole squad interested.

Posted by milepost on (March 31, 2014, 7:14 GMT)

@RednWhiteArmy, LOL! Is that your Surrey 2nd 11 pick? Wow, England are in worse shape than we thought.

Posted by   on (March 31, 2014, 7:04 GMT)

england are not picking the deserving players . Jade dernbach is in the for a while ,doing nothing . Ravi bopara is batting too lower at no 6. He is a way better than moeen ali. England need james anderson in t20I . England needs to get bresnan out. He is doing nothing.. England did miss kp and ben stokes(injured) badly in t20 world cup. Ben stokes is yet to show his capability with bat in shorter versions.

Posted by Alpalcal on (March 31, 2014, 3:36 GMT)

Have to say that England's performance in this comp surprised me... much better than I would have anticipated... but it also depressed me. This new era of team-mate-ship seems to have come with an unfathomable inability or incapacity to drop players... everyone bar the local tats seller knows that Dernbach is a liability... and, sure enough, he rose to his high standards of incompetence yet again in the match against SA. Team-mate-ship will only last so long when the players start to realise that you can do absolutely anything... and you won't be dropped. Really sad to see a bunch of players with the potential to do real damage let down by their management...

Posted by cloudmess on (March 31, 2014, 1:11 GMT)

All this talk of ego-less players is a worry. You need a certain ego to succeed (and not least win games) at the top level in sport. How would Giles have managed the likes of Viv, Lara, Warne, Lillee, Miandad...? It's very important that the ECB show us that they are going to carry out a proper and impartial interviewing process for the position of England coach - rather than just prove my suspicion correct that the likes of Flower and Downton have already struck a deal to have Giles appointed, in order to keep out KP.

Posted by electric_loco_WAP4 on (March 31, 2014, 1:01 GMT)

@RedandWhite-Like your optimism.But whoever mediocre Eng choose in squad,wont avoid a w/w by SL.Shame there're only 2 tests though.For Sinhala Lions,this is best chance they ever had to W in Eng.Eng though,can take heart Ind's coming next.Should W v Ind.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (March 31, 2014, 0:48 GMT)

@Stephen Axtell on (March 30, 2014, 16:48 GMT), it's funny how people just make stuff up. England aren't "always rebuilding". Noone has claimed that England have been rebuilding for some time. The whole house pretty much fell over in Australia so they are definitely in a rebuilding phase now but they weren't before that so your comment is completely baseless.

Posted by Robster1 on (March 31, 2014, 0:15 GMT)

It'd be such an insipid, dull choice - playing cautious wins nothing. Then again, England's tortuous schedule means all the best coaches will not apply. For an English appointment, every time Peter Moores would be better, or failing that Newell from Notts. Just not anodyne Ashley.

Posted by itsqashi on (March 30, 2014, 23:50 GMT)

England is going through very bad time in all 3 formats. Its a time fir them to take time and make some serious decisions.

Posted by Nik84 on (March 30, 2014, 23:46 GMT)

no matter what they do England management is all about rebuilding everytime. how was vaughn able to manage KP and Freddy plus Giles has played with KP on so many occasions. If you can't manage KP or Freddy like players then you should not be in management. If you get easy yes sir players then whats the point of management they are managed by themselves then. Weird England always think about ashes all the time, no care in big tournament. no wonder they haven't won any world cups because of their attitude. I remember in 1998 first champions trophy england has ashes series after the knock out cup so they sent a very ordinary team to the tournament with adam holliake as captain no stewart or big names and guess what they lost both the series. So england management is always been a problem, when they start wining they think this will last forever. anyways england wont be even near semis in world cup although they will at home against subcontinent teams but thats it.I've stopped following tm

Posted by   on (March 30, 2014, 21:31 GMT)

sl tests r gonna be crucial, root will be needed and Taylor has argued a good cause for himself at 3. 1Cook 2Moeen 3Taylor 4Bell 5Root/Morgan 6Stokes 7Buttler/Kieswetter 8Bresnan 9Broad 10Jimmy 11Panesar. if root is fit then Morgan won't play.

Posted by SirViv1973 on (March 30, 2014, 20:51 GMT)

If Eng are looking for a radical leap forward then Giles is not the man to do it. He was a steady no frills cricketer & as a coach appears much the same. As soon as Flower left his post I expected the ECB to go with Giles & I still expect that to happen. If they were looking for a more radical appointment then surely they would have waited until they had their man in place before deciding on whether KP had a future & whether Cook should remain capt. The fact these decisions involved Giles and were made well in advance of the coach being named would have made it difficult for anyone else to take the job. I guess the only real question is how long a contract Giles will be given. Under the guise of a major rebuilding operation being needed I suspect he will get 4 yrs which will take us to the next ashes series down under.

Posted by Brosley1 on (March 30, 2014, 20:25 GMT)

1.Cook 2.Hales 3.Trott/Ballance 4.Bell 5.Root 6.Stokes 7.Buttler 8.Broad 9.Anderson 10.Onions 11.Kerrigan

Hales and Buttler a bit of a wild card choice but Hales could do a Warneresqe job at the top of the order and Buttler would be a good attacking option at 7, Kerrigan got smashed in his debut but if he has a good start to the county season he deserves another go as Borthwick is more of a batting all rounder. Trott should come back in straight away if the management see him as fully fit as he adds so much at 3. Finn to come back in if any seamer looses form/get injured.

Posted by Rally_Windies on (March 30, 2014, 20:07 GMT)

ECB response :

"it was all Morgan's fault" ... let us drop him forever....

"Blame the colonials" ...

"Broad is English,,, he is above blame ...."

(well this is what they did to KP- lets see if we will have a repeat)

Posted by   on (March 30, 2014, 20:02 GMT)

Spring clean?? The harsh truth is we aren't in a position where we have good enough players to compete with the top sides, however, that doesn't excuse all the moaning and complaining the so called 'fans' are doing. Lets get behind the team and the new coach/manager whatever name they give the role, even if it is Giles which I think is a bad choice, but rather it be an Englishman than anyone else. So lets ride the lows, support the lads and wait for the next patch of quality, hopefully home grown this time, players who will do the job ans play with pride and some balls!!

Posted by   on (March 30, 2014, 19:50 GMT)

Giles, head coach. Thorpe, batting coach. Saker, bowling coach. Mushtaq, spin coach. Collingwood, fielding coach. Maybe the long term future England coaching set up was seen right there in that training net session.

Posted by FarSight on (March 30, 2014, 19:49 GMT)

I first declare my conflict of interests. I am an Indian by birth. Loyalties in cricket mostly go by nationality. I don't think anyone will complain about it. I am clueless why club cricket should exist. IPL is a disgrace and a scandal for the game of cricket. The British as a psyche are a depressed bunch. They have no excitement in them. There is nothing wrong with their cricket or cricketing talent. They just over-analyze everything, like a mental patient in need of psychoanalysis. T20 is a game of instinct- not predictable at all. The British psyche is not suitable for it. Just focus on test cricket. The British cricket media is a circus just like the cricket itself in India. Cricket is a game guys, just enjoy it, will you?

Posted by Insightful2013 on (March 30, 2014, 19:12 GMT)

So KP gets the boot and you now wonder about morale. The message sent to the players was, Speak your mind at your own peril, irregardless of your performances. That is enough to make anyone insecure and hesitant. Natural instincts are now reigned in and stifling carefulness prevails. Absolutely the attitude you don't want for a T20 game. You really have to wonder who the Sports Psychologists are and where they bought their degrees from? Ashley Giles was a mediocre cricketer and will also be a mediocre coach. If he was unable to suss himself out to be a better cricketer, how is he going to suss others out? What a conundrum? KP may have just provided one good innings and geed everyone up. That's what people like him does! It's like the ECB is barking! Maradona, Zidane the list is long, re stars who can change the belief structure of a team. Crikey, Beefy was such! Who are these blokes and when will they go away! It's do lally land at the ECB, innit?

Posted by   on (March 30, 2014, 18:40 GMT)

england dropped their best player KP but did the move pay off?....england won the world t20 in the windies and KP was the player of the toiurnament...now without him they don't even make the semis here in bangladesh...way to go england...keep it up..

Posted by USA_Res on (March 30, 2014, 18:35 GMT)

If one was to be objective and honest, It has to be said that the England batting is probably as good as any T20 team out there. Unfortunately, every other department of their game is some where between "lacking" and "totally abysmal".

I know that this is kind of stating the obvious, but Dernbach has got to go, and I know it might be considered cruel, but it would not be wildly inaccurate to say that he is the reason that England are coming home.

Add to that some Grammar School level fielding and catching, and of course, some very questionable captaining decisions, and you pretty much have it all.

On the good side, when your team scores 557 runs in their 60 overs, at a rate of 9.28, then it should be acknowledged.

finally, although Australia stomped us in Aus this last winter, we did considerably better than them. Played 3, lost 3.

Life's not all bad!

Posted by   on (March 30, 2014, 18:29 GMT)

Well, we still a captain the only mature candidate here is Morgan and we need a coach and Giles is not the man - lacking, charisma, man management skills and the ability to transform a 'new look' England side into world contenders. Stay as is and it will all end in tears .. pity really. Come on let's get our act together. At the moment the side is a disgrace.

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (March 30, 2014, 18:17 GMT)

Deja vous anyone? We've heard all this before so many times. Last year fans were promised "ruthless changes" and new players that have shown good potential elsewhere (e.g. County Cricket) would be given chances. Instead, we have pretty much 75% the same squad which includes bowlers frequenting economy rates of 10 and over. The likes of Bell and Kieswetter are being trundled about like extra baggage, and no consideration is being given to playing conditions at all.

Posted by RednWhiteArmy on (March 30, 2014, 18:00 GMT)

For test series v SL 1 Cook 2 Robson 3 Ballance 4 Bell 5 Moeen Ali 6 Prior 7 Stokes 8 Borthwick 9 Broad 10 Anderson 11 Onions. Everyone in the top 8 is capable of good runs. It has 4 quicker bowlers, a legspinner & Ali as a 2nd spin option. If Trott does decide he wants to continue id give him a second chance & he could replace either Robson or Ballance, but it would be his last chance.

Posted by zoot364 on (March 30, 2014, 17:54 GMT)

Roughly translated: team ethic is more important than team performance.

Posted by Rastus on (March 30, 2014, 17:51 GMT)

"There's a good atmosphere in the camp, an extremely ego-less group of players we've got, which is healthy to work with" Obviously a good atmosphere and no egos is not a recipe for success. If Giles can't work with players with an ego, maybe he isn't the man for the job.

Posted by   on (March 30, 2014, 17:03 GMT)

It's the backroom staff that need to be changed. Giles does not need to get the job. The bowlers need to be taught how to bowl again. James Whitaker as a selector is quite frankly a joke as is Paul Downton being in charge. KP got all the blame for the failure in Australia, yet it is obvious that the problems run deeper than that. Management are employed to manage and fall on their swords when things go wrong. If a new coach is employed, he is obviously going to be told that KP is not allowed to be picked - but does this apply to other cricketers who are eligible for England who's face doesn't fit? And with the persistence to keep playing Dernbach who lost the last game against South Africa, what does this say about the people in charge? Get someone in who won't be scared to do something - how about Dominic Cork?

Posted by   on (March 30, 2014, 16:48 GMT)

Why is England always rebuilding, when performances dont go as originally planned, its the old "We are still rebuilding" to excuse the performances. Surely there comes a time when one cannot fallback on the "still learning/rebuilding" line. One cannot always be rebuilding.

Posted by   on (March 30, 2014, 16:14 GMT)

How about this for a team... Root, Cook, Robson, Bell, Morgan, Ballance, Bairstow, Stokes, Anderson, Broad, Borthwick

Spin's taken care of by Root and Borthwick-Root's grown into a very useful spinner

Stokes, Anderson, and Broad are a good bowling trio. Swap Morgan or Ballance with a pace bowler if need be, but that can't do any worse than the 5-0 whitewash squad

Posted by nareshgb1 on (March 30, 2014, 16:11 GMT)

"ego-less" huh? So now is the ENgland's team's prime objective proving that they are NOT like KP? I mean they will go around saying "we are SO NOT like KP I am telling you maan, we are SO SO SO not like him".

Doh...but you forgot to play or what?

Posted by bobmartin on (March 30, 2014, 15:29 GMT)

I fear that this is just so much talk. No matter how badly the team has performed, England have never been radical when it comes to clearing out the failures and blooding their replacements.. Even when they have tried some different players, a couple of early failures and they are ditched, and the same old tired faces reappear time and time again. The article mentions a few likely candidates... Jordan, Taylor, Robson, Borthwick... And what about recent "discards" Carberry, Finn, Compton, Keiswetter..Bairstow... etc... Can you see England making 4 or 5 changes ? Maybe in your dreams... but not in reality.

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