England news August 25, 2014

'No chance' England will win World Cup - Swann

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Graeme Swann and Michael Vaughan have joined forces to condemn the decision to persist with Alastair Cook as England's one-day captain, criticise the omission of Ravi Bopara from the squad to face India and insist that England are fatally destroying their chances of winning the World Cup by remaining wedded to an old-fashioned, safety-first approach overly based on dubious statistics.

The wide-ranging criticism of England's entire one-day policy, on BBC Test Match Special, represents one of the most timely and strong-minded appraisals to emerge from former members of the England dressing room for years.

Cook, who was retained as England's one-day captain after leading the Test side to a 3-1 win in the Investec series against India, would not be part of Swann's World Cup planning and nor would Ian Bell or Gary Ballance as he switched the emphasis onto a more adventurous approach.

"The good Test form has made it easier for the selectors to have a more conservative selection than most people want to see," Swann said. "Alastair Cook is the most stubborn man in the world. He has almost backed himself into a corner where he's got to carry on. I don't think we've got a cat in hell's chance of winning the World Cup.

"I used to sit in the changing room and I always felt we were so far behind other teams because we play such an old-fashioned brand. Some of my best mates - Cook, Bell, Ballance - are not one-day players who are going to win you a World Cup.

"Alex Hales is going to win you a World Cup; James Vince, Jason Roy, Jos Buttler, Eoin Morgan. They're players I wouldn't want to bowl at, who can build a total of 360-370.

"I love Alastair Cook dearly but I don't think he should be bothering playing ODI cricket anymore. He doesn't need to. He has proved a very good point in Tests. Enjoy being England Test captain. Let young people play, people who want to smash it everywhere and win you the World Cup.

"We won't win this one, there's no chance, but in four years' time we might have a chance of winning a World Cup if we get all these young exciting players, people who have been brought up on one-day cricket and have none of the baggage of this old-fashioned style of cricket we play. We play a ten-year-old game."

Vaughan also contended that England's limited-overs squads are overly influenced by Test form and that they are bedeviled by a safety-conscious approach. England had the imagination to split captains across formats, but attempts to develop a one-day side with an obvious difference has largely been limited.

"After the Sri Lanka losses I think there was going to be big change," he said. "I look at Alastair Cook and he has proven all the critics wrong in the Tests. I was wrong; many people were wrong. He's been playing since he was 21 and this would have been the perfect time to move over. As a captain and opening batsman, he's taken on a massive challenge he didn't need to take on.

"We've made the same mistake now as we did in my time, five-six years ago and in the 1990s. We're picking one-day squads on Test form. English cricket has always had Test cricket at the pinnacle, but the games are so different.

"England are looking too much at these new white balls. The other teams have gone power at the top and all the way through. It's a completely different era because of T20. We got to a Champions Trophy in 2004 and we were rubbish. We just happened to get to a final in English conditions."

Swann only called time on his England career eight months ago because of a debilitating elbow complaint, but the change in personnel since then - with a new coach and national selector - allied to his own independent mindset has meant that he has quickly reduced his loyalties to an England dressing room in which he retains several strong friendships.

This impassioned criticism at the start of a run of one-day cricket which will take England to the World Cup represents an attempt by two recent players of high repute to change England's thinking late in the day, after a lengthy selection meeting ahead of the India ODI series which also restated their philosophy for the months ahead, believing that two white balls in a tournament in Australia and New Zealand justified a game plan based on a quartet of seam bowlers and secure batsmen at the top of the order.

Bopara's omission makes England's side harder to balance and both Vaughan and Swann were adamant that he should be recalled as soon as practicable. "I'm amazed and staggered Ravi Bopara is not here," Vaughan said. "He could be considered England's best one-day cricketer in the last one-and-a-half years. To throw away all that experience, know-how, bowling ability. I'd be amazed if he's not back in by the World Cup."

Swann called Bopara's absence "absolutely crazy", saying: "Ravi gives you so much more than batting - bowling, unbelievable fielder. I would build a batting order around Joe Root. He has proved he can score at a run a ball or more, play crazy shots, and bowls offspin. James Taylor is in incredible form. Taylor and Root can both score very quickly and they're your two proper players. I think someone higher up doesn't rate Taylor and it's a crying shame."

Swann also expressed impatience that the call up for Hales, a former Nottinghamshire team-mate, had taken so long. "Hales should have been in this side for three years," he said. "He scored 99 in a T20 against West Indies at Trent Bridge in 2012 - how the powers that be didn't see him as the future in ODI cricket…"

Swann's insight into the statistical-based mentality in England's dressing room has never been expressed as witheringly by a recent member of the side - at least not in public. "I know why they do this," he said. "I've sat in these meetings for the last five years. It was a statistics-based game. There was this crazy stat where if we get 239 - this was before the fielding restrictions changed a bit so it would be more now, I assume - we will win 72% of matches.

"The whole game was built upon having this many runs after this many overs, this many partnerships, doing this in the middle, working at 4.5 an over. I used to shake my head thinking: 'This is crazy'."

Most galling for Swann was Jonathan Trott's 86 from 115 balls against Sri Lanka in Colombo in the World Cup quarter-final in 2011 when he executed team plans to the letter only for Sri Lanka to waltz to victory with 11 overs to spare. "I remember Trott getting close to 100 in Colombo. We'd batted to our batting plan perfectly, got 229, everyone said 'brilliant' - they knocked it off in 29 overs. That's how we always played it. It's crazy."

David Hopps is the UK editor of ESPNcricinfo

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  • on August 30, 2014, 21:23 GMT

    Get KP back. I still cannot comprehend how on Earth did England let go of KP. That guy is a tornado leaves dust and rubble in his wake. He can turn the match around in matters of overs. I were to be sitting in the upper echelons of the English cricket i would have kept KP on for the WC albeit keeping him on leash bit still.

  • on August 29, 2014, 13:29 GMT

    believe it or not England are missing KP.. he is the only one who could win them world cup on his own and i dont think anyone here would deny that and as far as Bell and Cook are concerned you do need someone to bat 50 overs both of them can do that ...hales,buttler,roy are nothing but bashers , they do good once and then they fail.. its better to give player like James Taylor a chance he is in as good form as Hales so why not? im a Pakistani and have seen Taylor bat his numbers are better than most of Eng current players

  • Naikan on August 28, 2014, 13:44 GMT

    I haven't seen much of Cook's game in one days. However going by his record over the last three years I tend to agree with Swann. If one checks year by year over the last 3 years, Cook has been registering a dropping average (from 37 down to 31) and a dropping run rate (from 78 to 71).Then again, if Swann's conjecture of selection being based on Test performance is true, that does not auger well as performing well in Tests against India in England is not a good yardstick

  • on August 28, 2014, 11:03 GMT

    there is no chance to england win world cup 2015. there are few team who have chance to win world cup 2015 australia south africa sri lanka india newzeland

  • TheOnlyEmperor on August 28, 2014, 7:57 GMT

    Maybe the English reckon that if you keep scoring 239, there's 72% chance of winning the World Cup! It's just a matter of time and patience is a virtue inorder to play the numbers game!

  • on August 28, 2014, 7:27 GMT

    @Kaizer kyrie Rodrigues yours is a good team but i would prefer woakes over Bresnan and Finn over Jordan considering world cup in Australia and NZ. Both finn and woakes could use their height to their advantage in those conditions.

  • Timmybee on August 28, 2014, 4:09 GMT

    I am so sick and tired of the Cook bashing that goes on. Ever since the poor bloke started his career he has been bagged and bagged and bagged. Lets have a look at the facts shall we. Cook ODE Ave 38 SR 77, Warner Average 30, SR 82, MS Dhoni Average 50 SR 89, Clarke Ave 44, SR 78, Root Ave 34 SR 79,, Kallis Ave 44 SR 72, Should I continue or do people get point???? Cooks SR and Average isn't bad at all considering Clarke is seen as a great one day player, so is Warner so was Kallis etc etc . Any one look at Vaughan's Average, 82 games Ave 27 SR 68. Give the poor bloke a break!!!!

  • THEBEAST7 on August 28, 2014, 1:55 GMT

    WELL WELL WELL. Both these former greats were spot on, results shown. England yet again proved they do not belong in the ODI format. Fast bouncy wicket, won the toss, put india to bat first (worst batting line up to deal with fast, bouncy wickets), allow them to go past 300 then get bowled out to less than 150 on their own back yard! If England are to play competitive ODIs, they need a completely different team. But England being England and the selectors being English, it will never happen and the poor supporters will suffer.

  • Shams on August 27, 2014, 14:36 GMT

    Cook has a decent one-day record. 82 innings with an average of 38.03 and a SR of 78.16. His form over the last two years has dipped, but its not terribly unacceptable. Does England have an opener in recent times with a better ODI record (Ian Bell is going to bat lower down)?

  • on August 27, 2014, 12:16 GMT

    I completely disagree with Swann on leaving Gary Ballance out of the ODI team. Bell i can believe with a SR of 75 and a regular average of 37, there are better ODI players than Bell who can be selected such as . Ballance on the other hand has a List A average of 52 and a SR of 90 in 67 matches. That said he hasn't had the best of starts in ODI's but based on current Test form don't you think he should be given the benefit of the doubt, too good to ignore and can bat as an opener, 3, 4 and 5, perfect time to build up his confidence ahead of the WC.

  • on August 30, 2014, 21:23 GMT

    Get KP back. I still cannot comprehend how on Earth did England let go of KP. That guy is a tornado leaves dust and rubble in his wake. He can turn the match around in matters of overs. I were to be sitting in the upper echelons of the English cricket i would have kept KP on for the WC albeit keeping him on leash bit still.

  • on August 29, 2014, 13:29 GMT

    believe it or not England are missing KP.. he is the only one who could win them world cup on his own and i dont think anyone here would deny that and as far as Bell and Cook are concerned you do need someone to bat 50 overs both of them can do that ...hales,buttler,roy are nothing but bashers , they do good once and then they fail.. its better to give player like James Taylor a chance he is in as good form as Hales so why not? im a Pakistani and have seen Taylor bat his numbers are better than most of Eng current players

  • Naikan on August 28, 2014, 13:44 GMT

    I haven't seen much of Cook's game in one days. However going by his record over the last three years I tend to agree with Swann. If one checks year by year over the last 3 years, Cook has been registering a dropping average (from 37 down to 31) and a dropping run rate (from 78 to 71).Then again, if Swann's conjecture of selection being based on Test performance is true, that does not auger well as performing well in Tests against India in England is not a good yardstick

  • on August 28, 2014, 11:03 GMT

    there is no chance to england win world cup 2015. there are few team who have chance to win world cup 2015 australia south africa sri lanka india newzeland

  • TheOnlyEmperor on August 28, 2014, 7:57 GMT

    Maybe the English reckon that if you keep scoring 239, there's 72% chance of winning the World Cup! It's just a matter of time and patience is a virtue inorder to play the numbers game!

  • on August 28, 2014, 7:27 GMT

    @Kaizer kyrie Rodrigues yours is a good team but i would prefer woakes over Bresnan and Finn over Jordan considering world cup in Australia and NZ. Both finn and woakes could use their height to their advantage in those conditions.

  • Timmybee on August 28, 2014, 4:09 GMT

    I am so sick and tired of the Cook bashing that goes on. Ever since the poor bloke started his career he has been bagged and bagged and bagged. Lets have a look at the facts shall we. Cook ODE Ave 38 SR 77, Warner Average 30, SR 82, MS Dhoni Average 50 SR 89, Clarke Ave 44, SR 78, Root Ave 34 SR 79,, Kallis Ave 44 SR 72, Should I continue or do people get point???? Cooks SR and Average isn't bad at all considering Clarke is seen as a great one day player, so is Warner so was Kallis etc etc . Any one look at Vaughan's Average, 82 games Ave 27 SR 68. Give the poor bloke a break!!!!

  • THEBEAST7 on August 28, 2014, 1:55 GMT

    WELL WELL WELL. Both these former greats were spot on, results shown. England yet again proved they do not belong in the ODI format. Fast bouncy wicket, won the toss, put india to bat first (worst batting line up to deal with fast, bouncy wickets), allow them to go past 300 then get bowled out to less than 150 on their own back yard! If England are to play competitive ODIs, they need a completely different team. But England being England and the selectors being English, it will never happen and the poor supporters will suffer.

  • Shams on August 27, 2014, 14:36 GMT

    Cook has a decent one-day record. 82 innings with an average of 38.03 and a SR of 78.16. His form over the last two years has dipped, but its not terribly unacceptable. Does England have an opener in recent times with a better ODI record (Ian Bell is going to bat lower down)?

  • on August 27, 2014, 12:16 GMT

    I completely disagree with Swann on leaving Gary Ballance out of the ODI team. Bell i can believe with a SR of 75 and a regular average of 37, there are better ODI players than Bell who can be selected such as . Ballance on the other hand has a List A average of 52 and a SR of 90 in 67 matches. That said he hasn't had the best of starts in ODI's but based on current Test form don't you think he should be given the benefit of the doubt, too good to ignore and can bat as an opener, 3, 4 and 5, perfect time to build up his confidence ahead of the WC.

  • on August 27, 2014, 7:47 GMT

    I normally agree with Michael Vaughan (not so much Swann) but I disagree with both on this. England's general One Day mistake is to play too many "one day specialists" (i.e. bits and pieces players and county sloggers) who fail to perform on the international stage (or just occasionally come off). Some of the best one-day innings I've seen have been by Test players pacing an innings and scoring a good century in the 50 overs. Perhaps the best illustration of why I disagree with Michael would be - back in his day (despite the fact that he rarely came off in ODI cricket) I'd rather see Vaughan strolling to the crease than Luke Wright. The latter might slog a good 30 or 40 but get out, the former MIGHT pace a good 80-100. The latter would either hit boundaries or get bogged down, the former would keep the scoreboard ticking over when the ball wasn't there to hit to the boundary. An ODI team should only be one or two players different from a winning Test team. <ducks>

  • JG2704 on August 27, 2014, 7:31 GMT

    @Vaughanographic on (August 26, 2014, 18:20 GMT) re

    "Ballance (yes, not a natural opener but not sure where else to bat him)"

    I'd suggest from what I've seen of him for England in ODIs , back in the nets in Yorkshire

  • JG2704 on August 27, 2014, 7:28 GMT

    @Kaizer Kyrie Rodrigues on (August 27, 2014, 3:32 GMT) Just 2 queries

    1 - Why Kieswetter over Buttler? 2 - Why Stokes?

  • y4yoga on August 27, 2014, 7:00 GMT

    I have only two words to swann... COMPLETELY AGREE

  • on August 27, 2014, 3:32 GMT

    Here's a competitive Eng squad in my opinion: WC2015 1.Alex Hales 2.Luke wright 3.Craig Kiesweter 4. Ravi Bopara 5.Eoin Morgan (c) 6.Moin Ali 7.Stokes 8.Bresnan 9. Broad 10.Jordan 11. Anderson

  • VillageBlacksmith on August 26, 2014, 18:44 GMT

    Cook should not be within a continent of any short form Eng team, and neither should bell.. (thankfully bopara has already been moved on, like bell over 100 odis and done NOTHING of note)… What's bell got??? 3 odi tons in 150 odi's??? And bopara has ONE ton!!! In 108 odis!!! Are you kidding me??? You really want these guys in ANOTHER world cup??? The commentators summed bell up perfectly as he wafted and slogged and ultimately cluelessly gave his wicket away at last week's semi finals… ''Beautiful but brief''…… Typically bell then did nothing in the final…. That is bell all over and time to move on… Why do people think these guys are so good??? They have won NOTHING… And never will…

  • Vaughanographic on August 26, 2014, 18:20 GMT

    Tough choices here: only Hales really makes it as an opener, with a lot of middle order choices its tricky. My suggestion is...

    Hales, Ballance (yes, not a natural opener but not sure where else to bat him), Bopara, Morgan *, Root, Butler, Stokers, Jordan, Tredwell, Anderson. Woakes as backup.

    Any other good one day spinners out there?

  • PeerieTrow on August 26, 2014, 16:22 GMT

    Honestly, such comments from two who one would expect to be more supportive of the England cause. Nasser Hussain, hailed the best England captain since Mike Brearley, works alongside the big names of Willis, Botham, Gower, Atherton and his Bumbleness, who have recently been joined by Strauss and Ian Ward who has proved himself a class act in the B-team and as a result has been promoted to the position of a key link man for all cricket. Are Vaughan and Swann perhaps just flagging themselves up to the Sky talent scouts with these comments?

  • TimMann on August 26, 2014, 16:21 GMT

    I agree Cook is the batter who should make way for Hales, but not Bell or Ballance. You can't win a world cup with a load of rookies who are promising pinch hitters. The Sewags andd Warners and Finches are CLASS players like Hales and Buttler. It's taken a while to be sure of their class. What are you going to do when all those hard hitting youngsters find themselves up against international bowlers and hole out cheaply on the boundary so we're 40 for 4? Who's going to play an innings then? Class and experience first, then hard hitters, like the luckless Bopara. It's not baseball you know. Anyway, I'm far more worried about our bowlers.

  • crockit on August 26, 2014, 16:11 GMT

    My squad would be

    Roy Hales Vince Balance

    Root Bopara

    Moeen Tredwell

    Buttler

    Stokes Finn Broad Anderson Jordan

  • on August 26, 2014, 16:10 GMT

    James Vince won't be a bad choice though.

  • IMCG67 on August 26, 2014, 15:19 GMT

    The fact that Marcus Trescothick is still England's leading ODI hundred scorer speaks volumes for the way England have approached limited overs cricket over the past 10 years. Hales is a giant step forward, but of the current ODI squad only he, Buttler and Morgan are players that teams would get overly worried about when trying to limit the run rate and the team as a whole is too one dimensional and Swann's comments about being stat led has been obvious for a long time. Compare that with India and the likes of Sehwag who regardless of the situation try and put the bowlers under pressure early on and consolidate if it doesn't come off early on, with a view to getting on with it later in the innings. The rules around Power Plays, white balls, fielding etc have changed over the years yet Englands squad is build up of the same type of player and until we take a more proactive approach results will never change !

  • First_Drop on August 26, 2014, 14:47 GMT

    It's not about who is Capt, (though Cook's tactics are clearly poor), and it's not about bringing Bopara back into the team for Robson, or elevating Alex Hales for that matter. Dealing with these issues is failing to address the 'Elephant in the room'. It's about quality players, and currently its not at all clear if England have them. Not just good players, mind you - but real international quality.

    As a cricket fan, I've been asking myself over the last few years - why do England spend so little time at the peak of World ratings? Why do they continually rely on players born in other countries? Why is it that when you talk about the great players of the past, you are most frequently talking about players from other countries?

    The below discussion is really about making marginal changes. England needs more than that. I'm not advocvating a 'root and branch' review. But I am wondering where england might make significant improvement, without ripping everything up and starting again.

  • Front-Foot_lunge on August 26, 2014, 14:45 GMT

    As an England fan, one of the thing pundits and fans keep going on about, especially during are brief purple patch, was 'the strength of the county system'. They cited this as to why the test. team was, albeit briefly, doing well.

    We've been consistently poor at ODI cricket, especially at the major 50 over tournaments, for decades. Why? Well, in our domestic competition, we don't play 50 over cricket! 40 over is our flavour on this rain blighted isles. No wonder players have trouble adjusting, they don't play the format that the major tournaments use. More muddled thinking from English management, whose intransigence on logical issues is galling.

  • perl57 on August 26, 2014, 14:45 GMT

    England winning the test series against India is a hopeless propaganda to select an ODI team. Test victories against the weakest opposition was a fluke. At the moment, no team is looking capable of winning the world cup, even australia too. Anderson and Stuart must remember shoving and boorish behavior will not be tolerated at world cup levels. Pitches will not be doctored to favor swing. So they have no other place to go than good bowling. The one and only hope that england had was KP and they have destroyed him thanks to Andy. EXPECT England to be defeated again by B'Desh.

  • John-Price on August 26, 2014, 14:19 GMT

    Swann is only expressing what many England fans have thought for years. The English game plan is built around the absurd idea that if you can score at 4.5 an over for 40 overs then suddenly batting becomes simple and getting 12 an over for the last ten is a straightforward matter. They seem to forget that the best bowlers come back at the end and very often it is a new batsman (normally Bopara) who is expected to treble the scoring rate from their very first ball. Buttler actually did this against Sri Lanka at Lords but we still lost.

    To build proper totals it is essential to get after weaker bowlers whenever they appear. Forget about milking them, take them down and force the better bowlers to come back early. If it doesn't work, OK, but at least it is better than the present strategy which is little more than premeditated surrender.

  • tpjpower on August 26, 2014, 13:54 GMT

    I think Moeen would be a useful addition to the England ODI side, and I'm really surprised he's not getting more of a mention in the comments. For a start, given his primary weakness in Test cricket to date seems to be the short ball, he might enjoy more success batting in the limited overs formats (where he opens). I checked out his List A stats: he strikes at 100 and averages 30 (basically on a par with Vince and Roy), and even in T20 his offies travel at only 7.3 an over. Throw in a bit of mystery with this doosra he's developing - we know how effective 'mystery spinners' are in the short forms - and he looks an obvious pick.

    Here's a WC XI: Hales, Moeen, Bell, Morgan*, Root, Buttler, Stokes, Broad, Jordan, Anderson, Finn

  • on August 26, 2014, 13:47 GMT

    What's crazy is that even these tactically astute former players are falling into the trap of believing that ODI cricket is all about the batsmen (power hitters in the case of this article).

    If bowlers could get the belief that they can actually bowl batsmen out (power hitters are even more susceptible to being bowled out), then a 'Test' batting line-up would find winning ODI's particularly easy.

    Player proper cricket; bowl to take wickets; don't bowl to contain boundaries.

  • on August 26, 2014, 13:33 GMT

    The problem with England's current tactics is it relies too heavily on those coming in from 5 onwards to score a minimum of 50 at a decent lick in the last 10/15 overs. If England upped their run rate in the first 35 overs by even 0.5 per an over they reduce the burden on the last 15 overs to achieve their total.

    And I hope Hales' selection is proof they've realised they need to up their run rate at the beginning of the innings.

  • din7 on August 26, 2014, 13:30 GMT

    why ballance? his list a avg is 52 @strike rate of 90, yes he hasnt perfomed in 11 odis hes played but hes deserves more chances...has 60 sixes in 67 list a match....can some1 clarify why swann included balance name? this aint tests but aint t20s either..balance fits the bill...yes bell needs to be dropped...cooks ok because hes captain

  • yorkshire-86 on August 26, 2014, 13:23 GMT

    Why keep persisting with average players like Bell in the hope they improve, when there are players ten years younger who are up to date with how ODi cricket is played in this age?

  • Thuram3 on August 26, 2014, 13:14 GMT

    Great article! And fair comments from the two...I've never understood why Luke Wright never makes Englands sights (limited overs of course). And Ravi Bopara, my word, how do you justify dropping an oke like Ravi Bopara from your one-day team?! Focus on the 2019 WC, no chance of winning this one!!!

  • JG2704 on August 26, 2014, 13:10 GMT

    Personally , I want to see England succeed in SFs and while I agree that tests is the main focus I disagree that it needs to be at the expense of SFs. As for those who are still calling on KP - Well from what I've seen/studied of him he's totally yesterdays man. Anyone who saw the T20 finals day will have seen the one dimensional batsman he has become. Right now I reckon Bell (with his current mindset) is both a better and a more dangerous batsman than KP. KP only gets picked by these global T20 sides on the reputation he made for himself when he was a dangerous player

  • Clyde on August 26, 2014, 12:19 GMT

    Test cricket and the World Cup are such different games that it is a bit much to swallow that anyone who is not extraordinarily gifted could play both. I can only think ODIs are being used as time in the middle for Test players and England has already sacrificed the World Cup.

  • CodandChips on August 26, 2014, 12:11 GMT

    Therefore at this moment in time my team for the world cup would be:1.Hales 2.Lumb/Bell 3.Root/Taylor 4.Morgan (C) 5.Buttler 6.Bopara 7.Jordan 8.Broad 9.Tredwell (Briggs) 10.Gurney 11.Anderson/Finn

    And there you have a 15 man squad. Only no reserve keeper. Perhaps Morgan?

  • CodandChips on August 26, 2014, 12:10 GMT

    Bopara was dropped unfairly. His drop stunned me. He's a much improved batsman who is now finishing off victories. Had an excellent Blast. A good bowler.

    7 is the gamble. Do your go with a white-ball allrounder (not Stokes/Woakes/Ali but Willey or Smith) or a bowler who bats a bit (Jordan/Broad) or a batsman (someone destructive eg Roy, Trego). My preference would be a bowler as I think 5 bowlers is too risky and that there'd be enough batting anyway. Willey's bowling seems to have regressed since his injury and while I like Smith, I'd try them out in T20Is first.

    Bowlers must include Anderson, 4th in ODI rankings, Broad, the standout player in the Ashes in Australia, Gurney our specialist. Tredwell gets the role as spinner so it depends if you want backup. Briggs or Parry for me. Finn as an extra strike bowler. Jordan a good bowler who can bat and field.

  • on August 26, 2014, 12:09 GMT

    I am a SL fan and I think with Alex Hale England have a good opener. Also need another big hitter at the lower middle. Two good spinners to contain the batsmen when seameres get expensive.

  • CodandChips on August 26, 2014, 12:08 GMT

    I have been saying for a while that England should have tried something new this series. I'd have liked to have seen an aggressive approach with allrounders like Smith and Willey tried out. Only then can you know if the current formula is the best option. It's probably telling that no other country uses it.

    My issue with Cook and Bell is that when they bat through they seem unable/unwilling to accelerate. Bell recently has batted quicker but gets out as soon as he reaches 50. If he's going to get out scoring quickly surely there's someone better to do this role?

    I like Taylor as he can bat through, score quickly or be very destructive. Ideal one day player. Root can score quickly as well, but I'd only have him inside the top 3. Lumb was dropped unfairly. He can bat through and can accelerate. Unlike Cook and Bell he has scored recent ODI hundred.

    Hales can score quickly while batting through. Much more than a slogger.

    Morgan captain. Him and Buttler to bat higher to get more time

  • vimal03 on August 26, 2014, 11:42 GMT

    Nothing to panic for English fan. Why? they have these simple reason behind 1. What was Graeme Swann and Michael Vaughan doing all these days to criticise the selections suddenly. 2. Ravi Bopara hasn't won a single match for England. What he has done all these days is reduced the margin of losing a match (made losing look better). 3. When going to an international tournament you should have experience batsman to handle the pressure. The current selection is perfect expect Cook captaincy. 4. Cook should open with Hales while Morgan captain.

  • Selassie-I on August 26, 2014, 11:42 GMT

    Very true, just give cookie the time off, he's just had his first kid, 6 months off would do him great. Especially after such a testing time.

    With this line up, once the opposition takes their score past 300 we just don't have the fire-power to chase it down. History tells us there will be plenty of 300+ pitches in this WC.

  • jmcilhinney on August 26, 2014, 11:32 GMT

    SL are a pretty successful ODI team and I haven't heard too many people suggesting that Jayawardene and Sangakkara be dropped. MJ (avg 32.98, sr 79.13) and KS (avg 40.34, sr 77.57) actually have fairly comparable numbers to Cook (avg 38.03, sr 78.16) and Bell (avg 37.16, sr 76.04). They've also played two or three times as many games. Cook's strike rate has been better since coming back into the team as captain so expect to see his career rate go over 80. Playing at #3 and given some license, I would expect Bell to improve his career strike rate too.

  • on August 26, 2014, 11:16 GMT

    @ Saeed :Yes this article is talking about a team who never win 50 overs icc trophy . here i am talking about Indian chances .I can agree India destroyed by England but same destroyed by Australia with 5-0. India in rebuilding phase in test cricket .Just wait another 6 months ,England will be eliminated in quarter finals 2015 world cup.

  • VillageBlacksmith on August 26, 2014, 10:40 GMT

    Totally agree re Bopara... He's won nothing in over 100 Odis ... Same as Bell... It's so time to move on from these dinosaurs.. The Odi game has changed so much since those 2 started playing, and Morgan has been going thru a horror trough for over a year now and should also not be included until he has refrained some form. How Hales Taylor Vince Roy & Bairstow (as a bat) have not been in this side for over a year shows negative stuck on the mud thinking & Swann is totally right.

  • xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on August 26, 2014, 10:26 GMT

    Swann is to be admired for his outspoken comments, but is he describing his experiences in a dressing room for international cricketers or an episode of South Park?

  • on August 26, 2014, 10:24 GMT

    @Suman... Who cares about India? They got destroyed against England in tests and will get hammered in ODIs also. This article is to talk about England....

  • warnerbasher on August 26, 2014, 10:21 GMT

    Yeah JG2704. Tredders has figures of 0-100 in Australia and thats where the World Cup is being held. Perhaps I will rephrase as no decent spinner.

  • on August 26, 2014, 9:58 GMT

    India will do better in ICC trophy's .India defiantly can reach final easily ,it's a matter of two straight wins. If yuvraj can be fit and selected in to team by the time it would be lot better.He is the man can score runs easily in Australia pitch's . My final 11 Rohit ,Dhawan ,Kohili,yuvraj/Rahane ,Raina,dhoni, jadeja ,ashwin/binny, shami,bhuvi,umesh .based on pitch team can select ashwin or binny

  • JG2704 on August 26, 2014, 9:28 GMT

    @jmcilhinney on (August 26, 2014, 3:56 GMT) I think Bell is a Jeckyll and Hyde sort of character. There are times when he looks uncomfortable and awkward at the crease and times when he looks a million dollars. For me it's simple. When he's floundering don't keep him in the side and when he's purring keep him in the side. Right now he looks as good as ever but if/when he starts looking nervous then drop him

  • JG2704 on August 26, 2014, 9:27 GMT

    @SLSup on (August 26, 2014, 3:20 GMT) England can beat anyone on their day. They drew with champions India in India in the last WC and beat eventual champs SL in the last T20WC. If any 1 of Hales,Buttler and Morgan click and someone like Root or Bell stays with them then Eng have enough in the batting to beat anyone. Common sense says Aus,India and SL will be favourites but every one of the main 8 nations have players who can win games. The above 3 have more of them which is why their chances are higher

    @Anil_Koshy on (August 26, 2014, 3:22 GMT) ahem - so you don't think Buttler is suited to the shorter form of the game?

    @warnerbasher on (August 26, 2014, 7:50 GMT) No spinner - So what is Tredwell then?

  • CricketPissek on August 26, 2014, 9:25 GMT

    Swann has gone on record saying he doesn't enjoy 50 over cricket and wasn't motivated when playing it. I'd take his 'expert opinion' with a pinch of salt. Since Trott retired, someone like Cook is needed in the XI for stability. If you look at the most successful and World Cup winning teams of the past, you'll see it wasn't all bashers in the top 7. Even when Sanath and Kalu went mad in the 1996 WC, it was guys like Gurusinghe, Arjuna, Hashan, and Roshan who gave stability while Aravinda's artistry sat between them. Gilly and Haydo did the same while the likes of Damien Martyn and Lehman held fort. Cook is no basher, but in Kiwi and Aussie conditions, someone with his watertight technique has a role to play. England is not 'my team', but looking at it from a pragmatic view, I can't rule them out of the contenders. It'll be more a mental issue than anything else that would be a barrier.

  • StevieS on August 26, 2014, 9:11 GMT

    enlightenedone South Africa above New Zealand? I don't think so, heck we even beat them in a series in South Africa the last time we played them. Australia, New Zealand, Sri Lanka in that order.

  • brusselslion on August 26, 2014, 8:58 GMT

    Go for broke: Roy, Hales, Root, Morgan (c), Buttler, Bopara, Bairstow, Ali, Broad, Anderson, Finn/Bresnan. Other squad members: Jordan, Vince, Bell, Patel.

    @YorkshirePudding: I don't think that you can dismiss the ODI WC quite so easily. It is an important competition, and outside of winning the Ashes, arguably the most important event for English cricket fans.

  • Front-Foot_lunge on August 26, 2014, 8:56 GMT

    As an England fan, this could be a cunning plan by Vaughan to boost England chances as usually his predictions are so wildly wrong. Witness the last world cup. Proceeding that, after we struggled to win the Ashes in Australia (but won), we were humbled in the ODI series. B a fluke of luck in the 'group stages', where having lost to NZ, we still got through on net run rate. All this despite losing more games than anyone else in the series.

    We did however, win the last 2 games and win the Commonwealth Bank Trophy. A fluke but Vaughan proudly declared we could win the world cup and the competition was 'wide open'. The result: we then lost to Bangladesh and were out in the group stages.

    This must be a cunning plan by Vaughan....

  • afzal501 on August 26, 2014, 8:43 GMT

    I think Swan and Vaughan just want some sort of attention, they got no involment now so they have to come out with some sort of comments. To say this team won't win the world cup is ridicules tell me which England team in past have looked world cup winners, you need experience and youth mix of both if you leave out likes of bell and a Cook then you will be relying too much on young guns. Englang team to win the world cup must include Anderson, Broad , Jordon/ Stokes, Moien, Morgan, Root, Balance Butler and Finn.

  • Flash_hard27 on August 26, 2014, 8:29 GMT

    Very interesting piece although apart from the revelation of how focused the management team is on statistics I don't think it tells us anything most England fans didn't already know. Mind you this slavish reliance on data is a concern and the Swann anecdote about the SL game is appalling.

    Not sure I fully agree with Vaughan and Swann but our current approach is too conservative and we do need to introduce at least one more big hitter and to drop Cook who should focus full time on the test team. Ravi is a decent ODI player but his bowling is not fit for Australian playing conditions although could be useful in NZ. Not sure which cities England are due to play their games.

    England won't win the world cup next year it will be a Aus / SL final with the home team winning. Which will be irritating.

    To be honest I think many England fans are like me and would happily crash out in the quarter finals if it means we get the ashes back next year.

  • enlightenedone on August 26, 2014, 8:26 GMT

    the favorites are australia, south africa and new zealand. in that order.

  • YorkshirePudding on August 26, 2014, 8:14 GMT

    @Vinod_Fab,

    "There you go..!!.. This WC is very important/Vital for ENG..!!."

    No it isn't, even if England won it would have little effect on the game in the UK. I do agree that JJ roy needs to be included, and Morgan should be captain, I have reservations about Broad being fit.

    I disagree about KP he isn't even able to put a score together in T20 games, and isn't even interested in trying to state a case for inclusion by playing for Surrey in the domestic RLC 50.

  • Tonythekingfsher on August 26, 2014, 8:09 GMT

    Cook, Belll - no; great test players but no longer one day players who can win games. Similarly Joe Root - excellent in tests bit not a one day player.

    Balllance? He can be very destructive. Worth seeing how he performs.

    But I mention one name above all others - Adam Lyth. A classic, attacking opener with every shot in the book and one who has also been criminally overlooked at test level. He should have been selected ahead of Robson.

    And Jonny Bairstow is a far better one day player than a test player yet he doesn't get selected as such.

    The selectors are way behind the times; why isn't our best test captain of recet times (Michael Vaughan) one of them? He knows far more about the game than any of the current batch (Fraser? Giles? Good people but cricketing minnows by comparison).

  • warnerbasher on August 26, 2014, 7:50 GMT

    They could have Hammond, Botham, Dexter,Gower and KP but it wouldn't make any difference, Their bowling is the real weakness especially in the antipodes with one dimensional Jimmy, inconsistent Broad, no spinner and a motley collection of dibbly dobbly medium pacers that might do allright on the green wickets of England but will be lambs to the slaughter during the tournament. I shudder to think what the likes of Warner, Maxwell, Gayle, Pollard, Bravo, Ryder, McCullum etc might do these these bowlers and I expect that England will fail in another important tournament.

  • on August 26, 2014, 7:36 GMT

    There is only one team who can win the world cup....its INDIA

  • ArthursAshes on August 26, 2014, 7:28 GMT

    I do recall that prior to the Cook, Bell, Trott accumulate and set a platform policy at the top of the order, England did go through a phase of picking more one day type "hitters". If memory serves the batting collapsed more often than not and they were attacked, especially by the armchair England fan, of not being able to get decent scores. If you pick a team full of hitters how many games do you give them if they are regularly 5 down for 90 having played big shots that didn't come off? Given the knee-jerk reaction of most fans not long I suspect.

    I don't see anything wrong with having 1 or 2 accumulators at the top of the order, players who can steady the ship when the hitters backfire, as they will. Anyway, both Bell and Ballance have shown that they can step up a gear once set and Cook has improved. Doubtful there is room for all 3 though. A balanced side is better than a team of one trick ponies.

    The main problem appears to be the scientific, stats approach of the backroom boys.

  • karnamgiridhar on August 26, 2014, 7:28 GMT

    everybodys focus seems to be on India losing or winning. Subtly, whole world is big fan of indian cricket and indian players. that's the fact. every one knows how well behaved and talented are the indian players. learn from them, losing or winning is part of the game.

  • on August 26, 2014, 7:16 GMT

    i dont care who england pick for the world cup i know they cant go beyond last 8 even if they allowed to play 11 batters and 11 bowlers, they havent even reached semi final in last 22 years,

  • Vinod_Fab on August 26, 2014, 7:05 GMT

    There you go..!!.. This WC is very important/Vital for ENG..!!. Just select the below team then i will be pretty sure that ENG will win the WC(conditions,fast tracks,small grounds,big crowds,pressure games,fast outfields,studying opponents minds) Jason Roy,Hales,Bell,KP,Bopara,Morgan(C),Butler,Tredwell,Broad,Anderson,Finn plus gurney,stokes,bairstow,Taylor.. In my opinion this would be the side which would be very hard to beat in AUS/NZ..

  • GeoffreysMother on August 26, 2014, 6:43 GMT

    It is a shame Swann and Vaughan don't actually keep an eye on what his going on befoe they comment. England A lost twice to NZ A in the tri series with Sri Lanka A (who were by far the weakest side). Against NZ Taylor and Bopara were poor and Vince was unconvincing (sorry about the pun) in all the matches. Hales was o.k and Bairstow was by far the best batsman ( his run a ball 116 against NZ nearly won the match) and the most effective finisher. Morgan's first class season has been good but his ODI and 20/20 batting ( and captaincy at Middlesex ) has been underwhelming. One flash TV innings should not 'demand' selection. Other than Hales and Bairstow there are few people making compelling cases for inclusion to replace Bell, Root or Ballance. The 'all out attack' players used in the West Indies often ended up at 30 for 3 after 10 overs rather than 100 for 1. Now the captain - he is the interesting one.

  • YorkshirePudding on August 26, 2014, 6:28 GMT

    @HMGB,

    "England sits in the lower half in 6th place among major cricketing countries"

    No they don't they sit in 3rd in Tests, 5th in ODI's and 8th in T20's, but then England doesn't focus like other countries on the T20 format. The rankings are nothing more than a statistical aberration, which really doesn't prove anything.

    As for most England fans we are pretty laid back about the WC50, and really don't care if we win or lose, winning tests is where it really matters,

  • on August 26, 2014, 6:25 GMT

    yes swanny is right they don't have the X factor players in their odi team

  • Sri_Lankan_Cricket_Fan on August 26, 2014, 5:56 GMT

    Nevertheless England still have a better chance to win the 2015 world cup than India.

  • pandian_ikku on August 26, 2014, 5:54 GMT

    Indian fans still very positive about the fact that they have a chance to win the 2015 world cup. In my opinion it will be a win for them at least if they could reach semi finals (Which is highly unlikely) out side India. Anyway looking forward to next 4 ODI games England vs India. Good luck both!

  • on August 26, 2014, 5:45 GMT

    @Sexysteven Please dont call this as a poor Indian team. Say it as poor performance from Indian team. These are the same players who thrashed Australia 4-0 at home. Also this was the same team which won a Test match at Lord's.. From there on, because of safety approach they lost the series.

    Had India played like the way they played in the first two Tests at Southampton, England would have gone. It's just India lost hope that they would lose the match after losing the toss at Southampton and they didn't do well from there on. As the series progressed they lost confidence... This is the best Indian Test team but need some spirit and determination to win a series...which can happen only if new coach arrives

  • Realistic_cri_fan on August 26, 2014, 5:43 GMT

    For the last 2 years the strike rate of the openers:

    New Zeland- 106 (Ryder,Guptil), South Africa- 89.5 (De Cock,Amla), Australia- 87.5 (Warner,Finch), India- 86 (Dhawan,R.Sharma), Srilanka - 85.5 (Perera,Dilshan), England- 79.5 (Cook,Bell)

    These are the potential teams to win the next worldcup. It is obvious that England openers has the lowest strike rate. Swann and Vaughan are very correct. England need to get rid of Cook if they want to win worldcup.

    Top 4 teams (possible semifinalists) are: Aus,SA,India,NZ.

  • joseyesu on August 26, 2014, 5:10 GMT

    Agree bopara is a good player. But at bigmatches, he is not able to fininsh it.

  • on August 26, 2014, 5:07 GMT

    @electric_loco_WAP4: yes sir, u hv made a very insightful point. one that misses most ppl n even coaches. that teams hv to bowl well, field well n bat well. I stand amazed by the detailed plan u hv laid out

  • on August 26, 2014, 5:02 GMT

    woah,thats too harsh for a retired player to comment on his former colleagues..maybe cook isnt but bell is a good player of ODIs as well.He didnt have to include bell in the trio.

  • HMGB on August 26, 2014, 4:41 GMT

    Kudos to Swann and Vaughan for openly showing their displeasure about the selection. They really care where England should stand in the cricketing world and both of them understand old mindset of approaches, techniques and selections not going to work. It doesn't mean a thing just because they wacked India into oblivion in recently concluded Test series.

    If you look at ICC ranking total in all 3 formats of the game currently England sits in the lower half in 6th place among major cricketing countries. No one can boast that this is a comfortable place to be. There need to be a new approaches as well as young new generation of players if England want to get to the top in all these 3 rankings. Complacency is a disaster in this situation and England's success won't come easy in few years.

    I hope Ravi Bopra won't have the same fate as Mark Ramprakash in my opinion would have been a better player and captain than Nassar Hussain in all 3 formats if he was given a chance.

  • electric_loco_WAP4 on August 26, 2014, 4:25 GMT

    Conditions in Aus will require a team to be strong in 3 areas, seam bowling,fielding and batting to be successful. Eng acquit themselfes quite well in 1st 2. But their weak point,a lack of power hitters ,top rated ,quick scoring ltd overs batsmen.

  • electric_loco_WAP4 on August 26, 2014, 4:18 GMT

    The Aussies are odds on favs. to reclaim the WC. They are building up a formidable force of raw young talent with some experience and class. Once on a roll will be unstoppable. Other teams to watch out for are SA, co hosts NZ. Dark horses SL and Pak.

  • on August 26, 2014, 4:17 GMT

    i think NewZealand will have a chance in the worldcup...since they are playing at home...that's one advantage.....they have most effective power hitting team...can outplay any team...ryder,guptil,williamson,mccullum,anderson,neesham,watling....cracking team second best team after aussies.....these are my top fav..AUS,NZ,IND,SA,ENG,PAK,SL,WI

  • Sexysteven on August 26, 2014, 4:09 GMT

    Swann is wrong that Cook has proved us critics wrong in test afew wins against a poor India team doesn't justify cooks crap captaincy if they win the ashes next year then I might change my mind but until then I believe Cook shouldn't captain England at all he's better off concentrating on his batting cos I do believe he's to negative as captain in all formats yes swann is right England won't win the cricket World Cup until they get abetter captain eion Morgan would be my captain in all forms for England that would be my choice

  • on August 26, 2014, 4:04 GMT

    A very strong statement made by graeme swann. Its a shame that in India the former cricketers are not allowed to comment against the team selections or many discrepencies could have been found out. Partially agreed with swann, needed good one day specialists and hitters but not to forget the first 10 overs in Aus & NZ. They would certainly be a factor there to win or lose a match. Too much flambouyance at the top can cost you. You need a player like cook there. Its not like the last world cup which was in subcontinent and one new ball, the scoring was bound to be high. 280-290 would still be a good score in AUS. Add 10-20 more for NZ.

  • electric_loco_WAP4 on August 26, 2014, 4:03 GMT

    Absoluely!! couple of these former Eng ex cricketers are talking perfect sence.This struggling Eng team,in ltd overs has no chance in WC.Expect them to easily W this odi series though v Ind.With lot of rain around swing,seam will play part like in tests.

  • jmcilhinney on August 26, 2014, 3:56 GMT

    @JG2704 on (August 25, 2014, 22:54 GMT), I agree with you re Bell. I was quite excited when he was promoted to open because I thought that he could be very useful in that capacity. Unfortunately, while he did make some good scores, his strike rate was disappointing in many cases. He's obvioulsy capable of scoring fairly quickly and has shown it on occasions but, particularly given what Swann is saying, I suspect that Bell was limited by instructions from above. Hales' inclusion suggests a change in mindset so, hopefully, that means that Bell will look to play more freely.

  • kazun1 on August 26, 2014, 3:50 GMT

    England won't win this world cup. Neither India would. Here is the list with highest chances in respective order.I bet for either South Africa or Australia.

    1. South Africa 2. Australia 3. Sri Lanka 4. New Zealand 5. Pakisthan 6. West Indies 7. England 8. India

  • on August 26, 2014, 3:42 GMT

    If the entire line-up is packed with power-hitters, it's easy for them to get out as well.. ODI you need to establish a platform to score runs in the final overs. Also you need batsmen to give you the foundation if you fumble in the new-ball. So those kind of players is needed... Pietersen is capable of doing both the jobs...But England lack a proper No.4 batsmen. Root is there and he can give you solid foundation but will he be able to take on the bowlers after he is set?

    Cook and Bell at the top have not been providing solid starts but they threw their wicket way inside 10 overs. Because of Cook, it's making difficult for the middle order . If he is trying to build an innings he should atleast make fifty but he gets out in 10 overs.

    So plenty of issues for England. You need to have balanced line-up... Establishing foundation for playing shots is must. and playing attacking game when required is must. So you need to have some experience in ODIs. England will find difficult in WC

  • on August 26, 2014, 3:38 GMT

    Nothing wrong with the England team right now they have good batting as well as bowling attack but they must work harder to win the world cup. The key point is the team who adjust and perform well in the australian condition will lift the world cup England have a good chance coz they have good bowling attack..

  • Anil_Koshy on August 26, 2014, 3:22 GMT

    England never take shorter version of cricket very seriously, they are a good test side, they never bothered develop players for one day or T20, apart from Morgan, Hales they don't have any player who is suited for shorter version of the game. After 92 world cup, they never looked favorites to win any tournament. KP should have been there, he still has a lot of cricket left in him, he should be a part of the world cup squad.

  • SLSup on August 26, 2014, 3:20 GMT

    I am confused as much as Vaughn! It was just a few weeks back he thought ENG would massacre SL with SL's bowling attack that wasn't even good for county cricket. Today he looks at an ENG team that has just beaten the day lights out of IND and thinks the team won't have a chance of winning the WC.

    First of all, ENG will NOT win the WC. No matter who's playing. They have what it takes to get to the Semis. NONE of these players Vaughn and Swann are talking about can statistically back up what they say these players can do. AS IF all of them will click in every game to score 350-400 every time. Ridiculous. I was just going to say their logic if flawed but realized there wan't any!

  • siddhartha87 on August 26, 2014, 3:10 GMT

    In last 2 years Bell averages 42 with a strike rate of 82.Nothing wrong with those numbers. The problem was Cook and Bell opening with Trott at number 3. They are all good batters individually but as a group they hurt the team badly due to their slow batting.

  • lefty84 on August 26, 2014, 3:04 GMT

    Well said by both Swann and Vaughan. The game is evolving so rapidly but the mindset of administrators and selectors seems to be a century behind.

    We need to start seeing each form of cricket similar to different track and field events.

    A T20 is like a 100m dash, ODI more like a 400M run and Test match like a marathon. The skill set required for each of these are different. Just as you can't expect a marathon runner to win a 100M sprint, you can't expect your test team players to win you in shorter formats as well.

    Having a couple of players across formats at most is fine as there are always exceptions but the entire team otherwise has to be selected to suit the format.

  • on August 26, 2014, 2:11 GMT

    But will they listen?! I'm not sure that Mo Ali is right either - fine in the longer form (I am a Worcs man!)

  • Patchmaster on August 26, 2014, 1:58 GMT

    Eoin Morgan should captain. Cook needs to be dropped because every other decent side in the world is moving towards more power batting not 'accumilators' like Cook. Hales should have replaced Bell three years ago.

  • Chennai_Cricket on August 26, 2014, 1:28 GMT

    Root, cook and M.ali are test players they don't know to hit sixes. These players need to be exclued in worldcup squad. Otherwise england only can dream the worldcup as always

  • Chennai_Cricket on August 26, 2014, 1:25 GMT

    England always play the defensive cricket. They only able to perform in tests not in ODIs. Root and m.ali is not a odi players.

    If they select KP means they have chance to win worldcup otherwise england chance is 0%.

    Morgan, Kp, Bopara, Hales and butler. These players are match winners they need to be include in worldcup squad.

  • on August 26, 2014, 0:37 GMT

    My XI for the Worldcup : Alex Hales,Michael Lumb,Kevin Pieterson,Root,Morgan,Bopara,Butler,Ben Stokes,Chris Jordan,Rashid,Broad,Anderson

    other 4 :Luke Wright,Moeen Ali,Tymal Mills,(That Boring Off spinner) .

    Great hitting power,Super fielding unit,Decent Spin Optons,Good Death bowlers.this team is frighting to bowl to..keep all the differences.simple line .No Pieterson No chance.Bring him back he will gift the Worldcup to the Country.

  • D-Ascendant on August 26, 2014, 0:14 GMT

    I cannot help but agree with Swann. That quarter-final was an absolute disgrace... like England had tried to use '80s tactics in 2011. With so many power-hitters in county cricket -- Hales, Vince, Roy et al as he mentioned -- it's terrible that England still rely on Cook and old failed tactics.

  • rickyvoncanterbury on August 25, 2014, 23:33 GMT

    Why can't they win it, just pick your team like the Aussies have... your team should bat to number 10 if not 11 at a strike rate of 100 minimum and have 8 or 9 full time, part time and all round bowlers, EASY.

  • JG2704 on August 25, 2014, 22:54 GMT

    @Srikumar Narayan - Root is already there and I guess sure to play

    @cric_lver - KP is yesterday's man. In current form/attitude Bell would likely score more runs and at a better pace

    @mikkkk on-and basically you're just repeating the point Swann is trying to make

    @Martin Williams/ak928 - Him and Root basically sabotaged a run chase vs Aus in an ODI earlier this year. Root has done well in this format before so I'm happy to put it as a bad day at the office. Ballance has stagnated the RR almost every time in ODIs

    @Sultan2007 -Stokes has a poor SR as a batsman and a poor ER as a bowler. Apart from that he's perfect for any SF side

  • JG2704 on August 25, 2014, 22:54 GMT

    I agree with most of what Swann and Vaughan say but disagree re Bell right now. At the moment he looks to be fluent and full of confidence and is as much of an asset to the side as any batsman bar maybe Buttler so I especially don't know why Swann is bigging up Root above Bell. In the last 2 ODI series in which both have appeared in the same side Bell has averaged 36.75 and 41.4 at SRs of 94.23 and 82.8. Root has averaged 24.5 and 20 at 79,67 and 51.28. Many pro comms re Ballance. Maybe it is too early to judge but it doesn't look like he's near to converting his domestic ave/SR from domestic to international level. Re Hales - it also depends on how he approached the 50 over game. You could well find his SR is disappointing. I remember how excited I was when KP opened with Carb for the Aus series last year and what a damp squib that was

  • JG2704 on August 25, 2014, 22:54 GMT

    Re batting - I'm all for Vince and Roy being given a go but they must be given license otherwise it becomes pointless. It also seems from what Swann said that the mindset is all wrong and that comes from above. So if the tactics/game plan is that rigid etc it doesn't matter too much who is in the side. I'd say Bell should stay and maybe Cook should go. Then the team could read something like

    Bell,Hales,Root,Morgan,Buttler,Ali or Patel ,Bopara, Broad or Jordan , Tredwell, Jimmy , Gurney

    As already pointed out , the bowling is also an issue and as with the batting they are picking certain players based on their test form and not SF form. I often feel they are just using SFs as a rehearsal for the test arena. We're all thinking about them finally trying Hales but could it be as a trial for the test side. On hindsight was that what happened with Carberry last year?

  • PeerieTrow on August 25, 2014, 22:38 GMT

    "Graeme Swann and Michael Vaughan have joined forces to condemn the decision to persist with Alastair Cook as England's one-day captain..." This shouldn't, to my mind, be misconstrued as Cook is the problem. Ask any twenty-something professional cricketer if he wants to captain his country and the majority will rip your arm off before you place any caveats on the arrangement. Personally, I don't see National Selector James Whitaker, Head Coach Peter Moores, Angus Fraser and Mick Newell as an inspirational grouping of cricketing talent. Like him or loath him, personally I fall into the former camp, Andy Flower - former world #1 batsman, international wicket keeper, off-break bowler, good cricket brain and excellent communicator - injected something a bit different, and I can imagine he shook up the selection committee meetings. This to my mind is where the problem lies; lack of inspirational leadership at the top.

  • Borobriggs on August 25, 2014, 22:37 GMT

    Interesting article but harsh on Gary Ballance. He is 24 and has already shown he can adapt to different situations in Tests. He has batted in 63 list A matches with a strike rate over 90 with 60 maximums and an average of 50+. These are Statistics better than Morgan's, who is a fine one day operator, and has admittedly played for a greater period, but without showing Ballance's versatility. Playing for Yorkshire he has taken attacks apart and hopefully he can be fearless enough to bring that approach to ODIs whilst still maintaining an excellent record in tests. I would love to see England have faith in our talented youngsters and go and tell them to enjoy their cricket and express themselves.

  • jimmyvida on August 25, 2014, 22:29 GMT

    AB played IPL and looks like he picked up some bad habits. He usually switches easily from one form of the game to another. This time it is taking a little longer. Hope he hits key by the end of year.

  • Deuce03 on August 25, 2014, 22:28 GMT

    I remember England's ejection from the World Cup in 2007. Vaughan opened with Bell and they left the first eight balls. It was one of the most spineless sporting capitulations I've ever seen and it started with MV himself. I don't entirely disagree with some of his comments, but he's in absolutely no position to criticise.

  • __PK on August 25, 2014, 22:06 GMT

    A cat in hell? I don't like cats, either, but eternal damnation is going a bit far. Could Swann not find a snowball when he needed one?

  • Dilmah82 on August 25, 2014, 22:06 GMT

    Swann and Vaughan have said the obvious. Interestingly when Swann says it comments are positive and all agree...when KP says the same thing he is criticised as being arragant!

  • Patchmaster on August 25, 2014, 21:48 GMT

    I totally agree about Trott and Bell. Neither are MODERN day ODI players, sure they were great when totals of 250 were thought as really good scores. I'd also rather see Bopara in for Tredwell, and just bat Bopara further down the order, at maybe 8 and give him licence to swing the bat. Root and Ali can cover the spin options perfectly well. I also don;t think Broad should be playing short format cricket, his body won;t stand up to it and neither do his figures, plus his batting is really poor these days.

  • on August 25, 2014, 21:39 GMT

    "and insist that England are fatally destroying their chances of winning the World Cup by"??.....What chances? NZ or Australia... there's your winner!

  • jb633 on August 25, 2014, 20:42 GMT

    @chris_p, the frustrating thing is being an English fan is that we seem to prepare for a worst case scenario rather than a best case. The problem with planning for potential negatives, i.e losing a few early wickets is that it gives us no chance against the top sides like your Australia. I would rather take the fact we may be skittled occasionally to have the ability to chase over 300 or set targets of 325 plus. That story about the game at Colombo will surprise no English fans who have followed cricket over the past 5 years.

  • Jamie-1212 on August 25, 2014, 20:38 GMT

    Fantastic article!

    England are the only team in the world that play defensive cricket. We need to catch up with the times and play positive cricket from ball 1 rather than keeping wickets in hand until the last 10 overs and relying on Eoin Morgan and Jos Buttler to score quick runs with no time at the crease.

    What a talent Jason Roy is, if the selectors have any ounce of sense, he will open with Alex Hales in the solidarity T20 v India.

    On potential and talent this is the best playing XI we have: 1) Hales 2) Roy 3) Vince 4) Root 5) Morgan 6) Buttler 7) Stokes/Ali 8)Jordan 9)Broad 10) Tredwell 11) Anderson

  • on August 25, 2014, 20:35 GMT

    thank you swanny for such reveling words,always thought that it was crazy to leave Ravi out,also Luke wright and James Taylor need call ups.when will this croniesm and nepotism stop in English cricket

  • on August 25, 2014, 20:31 GMT

    Well.. i think Cook is a better player than Swann and Vaughan,, and he is a credible captain to lead england.. And we dont need players who can smash it all over, we need some technically good players who can spend time on crease and make it count.. if smashing the ball could make a player better, Westindies team would be the most most dangerous one.. its about technique Like Pakistani players, Indian players and Srilankan players have.. thats all

  • on August 25, 2014, 20:30 GMT

    Good to see England being underrated...just how we like it.

    We have a decent team...the team knows what it needs to do...how often does a team score 350+?...especially against quality bowlers like we have...not often

    A big difference between 50 over ganes and 20...people will do well to remember that

  • on August 25, 2014, 20:10 GMT

    I totally agree...

  • Chris_P on August 25, 2014, 20:00 GMT

    Always had a lot of time for Swanny as a cricketer & someone who thinks about the game & he seems to have nailed it. Not being in the know re: one day form for England, I only ever had a brief understanding of their talents and/or replacements, but he seems to have revealed a lot. The few English players I see in our BBL really impress me & I know I always wondered why they hadn't been given their spurs. Definitely a need for different personnel for the shorter formats.

  • geminianrahul on August 25, 2014, 19:47 GMT

    @creebo777: Funny you say that. Faf is the real deal who is truly in AB's class. Faf and AB can change gears at will. Faf is suitable for all three forms just like AB. SA team needs players who can play the waiting game and stabilize the innings during crisis situations and up the ante during powerplays and Faf just gives you that. And for his electrifying fielding, he gets into any International XI on any given day, hands down.

  • ahad555 on August 25, 2014, 19:43 GMT

    England Xl for the world cup squad 1. cook 2. hales 3. bell 4. Morgan 5.root 6 .ali 7. bopara 8. tredwell 9 .jordan 10. broad 11.anderson

  • on August 25, 2014, 19:31 GMT

    Agree with what Swan and Vaughan are saying, Cook is no ODI player, but his batting is also in jeopardy in the test side, as he was worked out by mediocre sides this summer

  • on August 25, 2014, 19:19 GMT

    I love how Michael Vaughan is saying Cook should not be captain, his stats are fine. Michael Vaughan averaged 25 in ODIs! He was an embarrassment, who never did anything in 50 over cricket, in fact he made England a worse team when he played. And lets not forget in Tests he had 6 great months in 2002 and lived off that for the rest of his career. More over rated than Flintoff!

  • RoBoBobster on August 25, 2014, 19:14 GMT

    17 matches before the world cup is a long time. England need to keep all possibles in practice, not just the final XI. For this reason that England have Lions games etc and players in the ODI squad who aren't getting picked get into these teams. They need to be ready to be flexible and rotate, so that when it gets down to 5 gamest to go they know their best squad. There is room for at least 2/3 of Bell, Ballance, Root, and Cook, but they need to demonstrate their ability and intent in these games. I hope the media won't criticise "out of character" or "soft" dismissals too harshly if they are trying to slightly alter their natural game. That said if they fail in, say the first three matches of the series, they should definitely be replaced with the Vince, Roy, Wright style players. Scoring e.g 60 off 80 or even 100 off 130 should be classed as failure, unlless conditions demand that role.

  • on August 25, 2014, 19:09 GMT

    Michael Vaughn was a good batsman but he can just criticize .Never heard him praise anyone .How many World cups did he win ? .

  • Starvybz on August 25, 2014, 19:02 GMT

    so true i highly doubt england have any chance of winning the world cup

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on August 25, 2014, 18:59 GMT

    Once again, all the focus is on batting. Can we please also make sure we can bowl an excellent, economical 50 overs per game, and stop with all the nonsense with picking expensive bowlers who offer a little with the bat. Bowling teams out cheaply, or completing 50 overs without giving away too many runs wins games too you know, without having to always rack up scores of 300+.

  • on August 25, 2014, 18:52 GMT

    Alex Hales,Michael Lumb,Jason Roy,Joe Root,Eoin Morgan(capt),Moeen Ali,Jos Butler(wk),Chris Jordan,Stuart Broad,James Anderson,James Tredwell This is the best England ODI playing XI

  • on August 25, 2014, 18:40 GMT

    If the selectors chose the way these critics want and England failed, the critics would squawk. Everyone wanted Cook to lose the captaincy--until the Southampton test. Criticism is easy from the outside.

  • sunny1307 on August 25, 2014, 18:39 GMT

    Persisting with Bopara was the biggest mistake that ECB was making. The omission should have been done 5 years back. This is the best possible squad for the world cup. Bopara is one of those players who eats up balls thus increasing the asking rate, steps up, gets a 50 odd at an strike rate of 80 and then gets out when the game should actually have been closed by him.My England XI for the world cup. 1.Cook 2.Hales 3.Bell 4.Root 5.Morgan 6.Butler 7.Luke Wright 8.Tredwell 9.Jordan 10.Broad 11.Anderson Subs:Gurney,Ballance

  • wnwn on August 25, 2014, 18:29 GMT

    Joe Root's bowling in the middle overs will also be a problem. England needs to find a better 6th bowling option because Root will be expensive.

  • CurrentPresident on August 25, 2014, 18:28 GMT

    I love that such a discussion is taking place. It is almost impossible to do critical thinking when you have just won handsomely, but at the same time, that is as good a time as any to look at your weaknesses and prepare for the future. It is a must to keep succeeding.

    You must look to the future especially so when you feel you have a high note. Otherwise you condemn yourself to future failure.

  • creebo777 on August 25, 2014, 18:21 GMT

    faf,misbah,younis,bell,cook etc these guys shouldnt play odis.like swann says let these kids play rilee rossouw for faf by the way

  • gudolerhum on August 25, 2014, 18:03 GMT

    As usual England opt for the safe and sure players instead of the creative and higher risk. Its happened all through the years from Tom Graveney's days right through to the present. Bopara must be a part of the squad. Cook is not a one day player, Bell maybe. James Vince should be another shoo-in but cannot get a chance. Sorry, I agree with Swann and Vaughan - no chance whatsoever at the World Cup.

  • on August 25, 2014, 18:00 GMT

    I have to say as much as I love Swann and Vaughn I disagree here about Bell, Ballance and Cook. Bell batted better than many who specialise in T20 at the finals day on Saturday, Ballance has a great list A record and Cook well he has the cool calm nature that is needed all games under him have never lacked a fight when needed. The problem is the bowling, we start off well but then in the final overs go for that many runs we need to be tighter at the death then we will win. As for the omission of Bopara I do agree there he is great with bat just shame he doesn't always perform with ball like some medium pacers do

  • sarangsrk on August 25, 2014, 17:59 GMT

    Even though its always said that cricket is a team game but in actual, it is about number of match winners in a team who perform on a given day. No team has ever won a world cup just by having all players performing equally good. There need to be at least 5-6 match winners in your team who can pull off something extra ordinary in every game. England doesn't produce enough match winners for all conditions for one day cricket which is why they lack that extra punch when the business end of tournament comes. Look at Aussies (finch, warner, watson, maxwell, faulkner, johnson), SA (ABD, Amla, Steyn, FDP, Miller), India( MSD, Kohli, Raina, Rohit Sharma)...these top teams in ODI have match winners lined up and there are others who will do well on their day. Who are the match winners in england? Only Morgan. To some extent Root/Butler.Not enough quality, I must say.

  • jb633 on August 25, 2014, 17:55 GMT

    Bang on correct, we will NEVER win a short form tournament with Cook at the helm. His captaincy lacks imagination and what he doesn't realise is if you don't take wickets in the middle overs the opposition will score over 100 in the last 10 overs regardless of the bowling. In terms of batting we need to look to be at least 200 by the 40 over mark and have the base to launch in the last 10. Ravi is an absolute must in the ODI side, whilst his batting has infuriated me, I think he is a very canny and important bowler. Even in our dreadful T20 campaign he bowled well in trying conditions. Have the selectors not seen his record this year? I would go with Hales, Bell, Ballance, Root, Morgan, Butler, Bopara, Stokes, Broad, Tredwell, Anderson/ Finn (if back to form).

  • yorkshire-86 on August 25, 2014, 17:46 GMT

    Great article. England's selectors seem to be terrified by the 'two new balls' while somehow forgetting that openers in any format are used to facing a new ball, even power hitters - who tend to like the harder ball as it goes further. If you can't put away a length ball for at least four (the last decent power hitting opener we had, Trescothick, regularly pulled them for six), you should not be opening in the modern game. Cook and Bell can't even hit length for a single let alone a maximum, they only seem to think with the Test mentality that length balls should be respected.

  • landl47 on August 25, 2014, 17:22 GMT

    To me, the greatest mistake in the short-format game that England have made was not to appointed Swann as captain and I said so many times in these forums. He captained just three T20 games; England won two of them and in the 3rd the batting let him down after he'd restricted the West Indies to 113.

    England's short-format teams remind me of Paula Radcliffe, the long-distance runner. She was a great runner statistically, but she never won an Olympic gold medal. There was always someone on the day who stayed with her and outsprinted her at the finish. England will always be beaten by a side that comes good on the day and beats England's statistically successful total.

    Taylor and Hales have been batting brilliantly together for Notts. Taylor has been captaining the side. Root can play any game. Jason Roy has taken almost every attack apart this year. I think Swann's behind the times on Ballance, whose record in List A is great. Add Bopara and that's a top 6 that could win something.

  • josphe on August 25, 2014, 17:21 GMT

    People who talk bad of Cook need to see that he has both a better average and strike rate than Bell in ODI's. When you look at other teams you'll see that only Australia really has power all through their batting line up. Most other teams have a normal top order with a few big hitters in between. For example sri lanka with the likes of Sanga and mahela whose strike rates are both below 80 similar to that of Cook. I think England needs some sort of stability in the innings and power from the other end. I also think that t20 is clouding the judgement of individuals who thinks that power right through is the answer, you'll find the team going to hard and end up being bowled out for under 200. A team of 1.Cook 2. Hales 3. Ballance 4. Morgan 5. Root 6. Buttler 7. Stokes/Bopara 8. Jordan 9. Broad. 10. Tredwell 11. Anderson 12. Finn, shouldn't do so bad at the world cup.

  • Ranjith1946 on August 25, 2014, 17:11 GMT

    Yes ,they knocked it off in 29 overs ......without loosing a wicket

  • CricketChat on August 25, 2014, 17:10 GMT

    Isn't it too early to predict Eng has no chance? I think they have as good a chance as SA, right after Aussies, who I feel are the best ODI team right now and as long as their star players don't get injured in between.

  • myStraightTalk on August 25, 2014, 17:10 GMT

    The selectors should not consider the result of this 1 day series as the Indians are not currently a good side. As far Dhoni and Fletcher are in then any team can beat them.

  • on August 25, 2014, 17:07 GMT

    Ballance MUST be in the ODI team. Bell and cook are good as well. the only thing that doesnt make sense is the exclusion of Bopara. A good scorer with decent bowling.

  • MasterBlaster100 on August 25, 2014, 17:04 GMT

    Brilliant! Jason Roy and Alex Hales must open (I'd back either of them over Sam Robson in test side too btw) Root, Morgan, Butler, Ballance...sorry but that leaves no room for Bell or Cook. Morgan is a good skipper. No room for Bopara either. Only avgs 31 with a strike rate of 80. Then pick 5 bowlers who can hoop the white ball around or turn it. Not Bresnan he has a terrible one day record but keeps getting picked. That story about 239 is hilarious

  • on August 25, 2014, 16:51 GMT

    England is over reading their easy wins over India in their last two tests. In the what seems over supporting Cook , they are placing all their eggs in one basket. With Hales his role is well advertised as that of an anchor. If the anchor and the blitzer are dismissed, England anytime would crash further. In ODI none of the openers can have a planned role. It is better they assume their changing roles as per their rhythm and flow at that moment. But as always, England believes in everything planned. Hope Cook can play both the anchor and the Blitzer!

  • Front-Foot_lunge on August 25, 2014, 16:48 GMT

    As an England fan, I am still wanting to know where "The good Test form.." Swann speaks of? I saw us, then ranked 4 beat a 5th ranked test team made of journey-men bowlers, who had us 1-0 down after hammering us at Lords, a venue where a draw is the most common result of the last 100 years. Before that, we lost a series to Sri Lanka. Before that we lost 5-0 to Australia.

    Hard to take swans position here, about tests muddling ODI selection, when the reality of the results and the test form clearly show Swan's thinking isn't that clear either!

  • Sultan2007 on August 25, 2014, 16:40 GMT

    I dont understand the criticicsm. With Hales, Stokes and Buttler plus Bell and Morgan, this is a potentially explosive side. And then there is ptentially Chris Woakes who can tonk a few. I dont think there is a problemn with the team composition at all. IF they dont win the WC it will not be due to faulty composition or lack of talent. It may well be due to lack of experience. I would be delighted to have this side!

  • woody3 on August 25, 2014, 16:36 GMT

    The whole safety first thing I hate and stats sometimes lie. Jonathan Trott had a decent S/R in one days, but bolstered by the fact on flat wickets he would score a load at better than 100 rate. Problem is in those games one of the opposition would play an innings of similar size but at 130-140 plus S/R. Trotts innings would look good in book but would lose the game, using up overs Pieterson/Morgan/any of the hitters could have used on a flat wicket.

  • BRUTALANALYST on August 25, 2014, 16:23 GMT

    Well said Odi's have now just become a prolonged T20 with 300 a par score especially in places like Aus and India that play flat and true. All bowlers also must now be able to bat to make a side unless they're a top spinner this is the modern one day way folks bowling has basically become irrelevant unless you're a top class spinner as batsman have improved so much and the removal of fear of fast bowling due to increased protection and bowling machine drilling.

  • tests_the_best on August 25, 2014, 16:22 GMT

    Looks like ECB and BCCI have opposite priorities. BCCI seems to care more for IPL/t20/odi and short shrift is given to test cricket. ECB seems satisfied as long as county cricket is thriving and England test team is playing well without much regard for odi glory. Maybe both boards should trade ideas for improving in their weaker formats, after all they are part of the 'big 3'.

  • on August 25, 2014, 16:16 GMT

    no chance for anyone.. 2015 WC is Australia's.

  • on August 25, 2014, 16:14 GMT

    Well hopefully some ECB official will see this, My 15 man squad for England World Cup and ODIs from now on would be 1.Cook 2.Bell 3.Morgan 4.Bopara 5.Buttler 6.Root 7.Hales 8.Moeen Ali 9.Anderson 10.Broad 11.Jordan 12.Finn 13. Well other two should be choosed on form from national circut Hales can open with Cook and Moeen Ali played as a spinning allrounder

  • CricketingStargazer on August 25, 2014, 16:13 GMT

    I was listening: it was blistering! Various comments were not highlighted here: Michael Vaughan was very critical of being retained in the ODI side for too long and, despite having displaced Nasser Hussain by being a successful ODI captain, said that he had never rated himself as an ODI player and should not have played ODIs!!!

    They also made the point that when the England squad for the World T20 was annihilated by the very young Lions team, Andy Flower decided, successfully, to change direction with the result that England won that edition of the tournament. It can be done, but it needs a major re-load of tactics to do it.

  • on August 25, 2014, 16:10 GMT

    While it is true that other teams have changed in approach, it is still required for one or two 'steady' batsmen to be there. You can't just have explosive batsmen. They tend to get out earlier, esp. English ones

  • Kapstif on August 25, 2014, 15:59 GMT

    Totally agree with Swann here. Cook, as good as he is as a test batsman, is not in the top 6 one-day batsman in the country. In fact he wouldn't even be in the top 20.

    Just look at the side Australia played against Zimbabwe today. Although it is played in different conditions it shows how they are going to approach the World Cup, and not wishing to be pessimistic they will flog the English bowlers, even if they choose 5 specialist bowlers.

    The strange thing is it seems it is only England that play this way. Surely the selectors should be looking at teams around the world rather than try and base their selections solely on winning a series in English conditions. They had a free license to experiment in these upcoming series and have completely wasted it.

  • ak928 on August 25, 2014, 15:58 GMT

    hard to undestand why people are targeting garry ballance.....what wrong has he done......he has a strike rate of 90 in list a with average of 50+ if i am not wrong....and has also been a success in the shortest format.....he should play at 3 for eng......bopara should be in yhe team for bell......cook should be given few more chances...

  • on August 25, 2014, 15:51 GMT

    I've seen Ballance play impressively in one day cricket for Yorkshire

    Just seen his strike rate in list A is 90, in T20 [Yorks] 120 - similar to Vince.

    So maybe don't write him off so readily... just yet... ....

  • Ashish_514 on August 25, 2014, 15:49 GMT

    I would agree with them if it was T20. But you cant keep Cook and Bell out in a 50 over game (at least not both). Both of them (Bell especially) can make runs rapidly when required and also bring stability and exprience with them. You can keep Ballance out for sure and if you decide to be aggressive then Cook also can be kept out. But bell has to play. 50 overs seem like a lot if you loose 3-4 quick wickets.

  • mikkkk on August 25, 2014, 15:48 GMT

    "...I assume - we will win 72% of matches. " "...Trott's 86 from 115 balls against Sri Lanka in Colombo in the World Cup quarter-final in 2011 when he executed team plans to the letter only for Sri Lanka to waltz to victory"

    That is because winning 72% of matches is not the same as winning 100% Swanny.

  • cric_lver on August 25, 2014, 15:44 GMT

    KP is the world-cup winning player,who is now well far from eng team. I don't understand why they want cook and bell to sit away from odi team. Bell is 2nd highest among top run getters for eng. And if cook wants to play odis, he should play. He is not such bad odi player (better than vaughan).;- Vital problem is that ECB Never took Odis seriousely thats reason no body have ever played 200 games.

  • on August 25, 2014, 15:43 GMT

    yeah swanny well said english team id playin olden days cricket they need to get in a few aagressive batsmen like roy to have any chance of competiting outside their home

  • tests_the_best on August 25, 2014, 15:38 GMT

    Frankly, hats off to Swann and Vaughan on such a candid assessment. But regarding Swann's statement "I don't think we've got a cat in hell's chance of winning the World Cup." To be fair to Cook, getting a new captain is likely not going to lead Eng to a World Cup victory. I think Aus, SA, NZ start as favorites. But then again, even if you don't end up winning, it's better to be eliminated in Semifinals/finals than to bow out earlier.

    This is similar to the Indian team's test performance overseas. Several calls for Dhoni to be replaced as captain but with the team at hand, a new captain won't be able to turn around things by much. But if a new captain brings in fresh ideas, that itself might be worth trying out.

  • on August 25, 2014, 15:38 GMT

    Swann ,that,s correct cook not suitable for ODI's,but Bell is very good player

  • Jaffa79 on August 25, 2014, 15:30 GMT

    Absolutely fair comment from Swann. England have always been slow to adapt to new and innovative methods of playing ODI cricket. I really want the Test and ODI teams to be completely different to stop burn out. The crying shame is that we do have the players to play this kind of game. Hales, Buttler and Morgan are already destructive players and the people Swann mentioned are more than ready to step up.

  • on August 25, 2014, 15:28 GMT

    Snrely the English selectors have missed a trick here. Cook, Ballance and Bell need to be replaced by Root, Ravi Bopara and James Vince. No brainer. This must be done from the fourth ODI match at least in the ongoing ODI series agaist India. Even earlier the better.

  • saifkhanBD on August 25, 2014, 15:23 GMT

    England's approach has always been timid and conservative. While other teams were finding ways to take their game to the next level, England was happy to sit back and go with the usual way. When Pakistan used the late Reverse swing, yorker's etc by Waqar, Wasim etc, they were called many nasty things by the England team. Yet, the same people later used the method to win games as if, it needed their approval. England will do well in test cricket but in ODI, they wont' be as successful. All the best anyway.

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  • saifkhanBD on August 25, 2014, 15:23 GMT

    England's approach has always been timid and conservative. While other teams were finding ways to take their game to the next level, England was happy to sit back and go with the usual way. When Pakistan used the late Reverse swing, yorker's etc by Waqar, Wasim etc, they were called many nasty things by the England team. Yet, the same people later used the method to win games as if, it needed their approval. England will do well in test cricket but in ODI, they wont' be as successful. All the best anyway.

  • on August 25, 2014, 15:28 GMT

    Snrely the English selectors have missed a trick here. Cook, Ballance and Bell need to be replaced by Root, Ravi Bopara and James Vince. No brainer. This must be done from the fourth ODI match at least in the ongoing ODI series agaist India. Even earlier the better.

  • Jaffa79 on August 25, 2014, 15:30 GMT

    Absolutely fair comment from Swann. England have always been slow to adapt to new and innovative methods of playing ODI cricket. I really want the Test and ODI teams to be completely different to stop burn out. The crying shame is that we do have the players to play this kind of game. Hales, Buttler and Morgan are already destructive players and the people Swann mentioned are more than ready to step up.

  • on August 25, 2014, 15:38 GMT

    Swann ,that,s correct cook not suitable for ODI's,but Bell is very good player

  • tests_the_best on August 25, 2014, 15:38 GMT

    Frankly, hats off to Swann and Vaughan on such a candid assessment. But regarding Swann's statement "I don't think we've got a cat in hell's chance of winning the World Cup." To be fair to Cook, getting a new captain is likely not going to lead Eng to a World Cup victory. I think Aus, SA, NZ start as favorites. But then again, even if you don't end up winning, it's better to be eliminated in Semifinals/finals than to bow out earlier.

    This is similar to the Indian team's test performance overseas. Several calls for Dhoni to be replaced as captain but with the team at hand, a new captain won't be able to turn around things by much. But if a new captain brings in fresh ideas, that itself might be worth trying out.

  • on August 25, 2014, 15:43 GMT

    yeah swanny well said english team id playin olden days cricket they need to get in a few aagressive batsmen like roy to have any chance of competiting outside their home

  • cric_lver on August 25, 2014, 15:44 GMT

    KP is the world-cup winning player,who is now well far from eng team. I don't understand why they want cook and bell to sit away from odi team. Bell is 2nd highest among top run getters for eng. And if cook wants to play odis, he should play. He is not such bad odi player (better than vaughan).;- Vital problem is that ECB Never took Odis seriousely thats reason no body have ever played 200 games.

  • mikkkk on August 25, 2014, 15:48 GMT

    "...I assume - we will win 72% of matches. " "...Trott's 86 from 115 balls against Sri Lanka in Colombo in the World Cup quarter-final in 2011 when he executed team plans to the letter only for Sri Lanka to waltz to victory"

    That is because winning 72% of matches is not the same as winning 100% Swanny.

  • Ashish_514 on August 25, 2014, 15:49 GMT

    I would agree with them if it was T20. But you cant keep Cook and Bell out in a 50 over game (at least not both). Both of them (Bell especially) can make runs rapidly when required and also bring stability and exprience with them. You can keep Ballance out for sure and if you decide to be aggressive then Cook also can be kept out. But bell has to play. 50 overs seem like a lot if you loose 3-4 quick wickets.

  • on August 25, 2014, 15:51 GMT

    I've seen Ballance play impressively in one day cricket for Yorkshire

    Just seen his strike rate in list A is 90, in T20 [Yorks] 120 - similar to Vince.

    So maybe don't write him off so readily... just yet... ....