England v Australia, 5th npower Test, The Oval, 4th day August 23, 2009

Hurt Ponting may return to England

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So acute is the pain of a second Ashes defeat that Ricky Ponting, the Australian captain, has declared himself amenable to the idea of a fifth tour of England in 2013. Ponting, who on Sunday became the first Australian captain since Billy Murdoch to twice lead Australia to Ashes series defeats in England, said the prospect of atoning for losses in 2005 and 2009 could convince him to return for one final campaign at the age of 38.

"We'll see how I'm going in four years," Ponting said. "Hopefully I'll have another chance to play another Ashes series back in Australia, but it would be nice, with everything I've done in my career and the games I've played, to have some good memories from this ground. I might have to come back next time and find some.

"With a loss, I'm more determined than ever to be a better player and leader than I am at the moment. I don't really know what to expect when I get back. Hopefully most of the questions will be from journalists, not from people above. But we'll see. I've felt I've given myself the best opportunity and done a good job as a captain and leader in this series. Leaders are always looked upon on their results on their team. Unfortunately for me and the rest of the guys we haven't got the results we would have liked. Ultimately it is my responsibility to get the best out of the guys and to win series. I felt I ticked most of those boxed, other than making a few more runs myself."

Ponting cut a forlorn figure at Sunday's post-match press conference, having watched his side squander a shot at a world record run-chase with two run-outs - one of which cost him his wicket - in the space of six deliveries. First innings collapses at Lord's, Edgbaston and The Oval, coupled with the failure to extract England's final wicket at Cardiff, contributed heavily to Australia's 2-1 series defeat; the same margin by which they lost in 2005.

Ponting said the sting of defeat at The Oval on Sunday was every bit as painful as that he felt at the same ground four years ago. "I don't think you can get any more disappointed than I am right now," he said. "Looking back at 2005, I was feeling exactly the same back then. We all spoke about it and built the series up so much...but we've come up short. I'm obviously hurting, the rest of the guys are hurting as well.

"For me, the leader, the captain, the most experienced player, it's difficult for me to accept. It's just as difficult for the rest of the guys. We couldn't have done anything else, we have given ourselves the best opportunity. Just a couple of really bad sessions during the course of five Tests have cost us the series. When we were been good we were exceptional, when we were bad we were very poor. We need to become more consistent in our performances across the board."

Australia have won just six of their past 16 Tests, during which they have suffered series defeats to India (away), South Africa (home) and now England. Sunday's loss at The Oval has ensured their Test ranking has plummeted from first to fourth, marking the first time since 2003 the Australians have not held the top spot.

Despite their slide, Ponting insisted his current squad should be persisted with for future series. "I think there are a lot of Test wins in this series of players," he said. "In a couple of years there are going to be a couple of guys coming in and going out with a couple of us getting a bit long in the tooth. They will win a lot of Test matches for Australia in the future. They will learn from their mistakes in this series."

Andrew Strauss, Ponting's conqueror in 2009, warned that Australia's youthful squad would learn from the Ashes defeat and emerge a motivated unit for the return clash in Australia next year.

"The fact that they didn't have the aura is because they have a lot of guys at the start of their career," Strauss said. "If you think about it logically, they're going to get better and better. Those guys are going to have experienced a huge amount in this series and they're probably going to be more determined and hungry to make sure it doesn't happen again. The last thing you'd ever say is that Australian cricket is in a bad place, because it's far from it. They will continue getting better over the coming years."

Alex Brown is deputy editor of Cricinfo

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  • batmannrobin on August 29, 2009, 12:55 GMT

    Sachin has had his moments against SA n PAk. His avg suggests tat. But Punter in india??? If there was ever a bunny , then it is Ponting to Bhajji n now Ishant too.

    So as i said stats can be filtered to show the aspects we wanna highlight. The reality is Ponting does not hold any stats ' undoubtably gr8ter than any batsman of his era'. Also can u tell me a single all time gr8 like Don, Warne,sobers or Hadlee, names which know abt cricket much better than u n me who rates Punter better than Lara or Sachin??

  • batmannrobin on August 29, 2009, 12:54 GMT

    Sachin before 2000 ( till that india were a one man army ) - 22 100s / avg 56 ( indian team had openers like Rathore, W V Raman, Gandhi n Rahul, VVS, Saurav were all avg till 00/01) Punter after 06/07 ( after retirement of all gr8s) - 4 100s / avg 42 ( Quality of teammates is as important as quality of opponents - Punter needs support of Taylor, Waughs, haydos, Langer, Martyn, Gilly, symmonds, Warne, Mcgrath, Healy - now tat they r all gone - he has been ruthlessly exposed)

    n the 90 matches that Aus have won - they have won 12 out of 29 after warne - Mcgrath (The matches they won were due to Warne n Mcgrath). n regd the 03 world cup, fyi, do u know how it s like having ur homes attacked if u lose a match? No other sportsman n i mean include all sports , ever faces this n no stat can tell u that. Thats the kind of pressure that Sachin played under when he single handedly revived Indian spirits in the 03 world cup taking them to the final.

  • batmannrobin on August 29, 2009, 12:31 GMT

    @Sorcerer- I also posted stg from cricinfo stats n u need to recheck Punter avgs. Infact posting it below.c 3 inn avg 1st match innings 1995-2009 136 4377 242 65.32 19 1 1/9 50.00 0 42 0 2nd match innings 1995-2009 136 3691 257 56.78 13 4 1/0 20.50 0 36 0 3rd match innings 1995-2009 134 1986 116 42.25 2 0 - - 0 54 0 4th match innings 1995-2009 102 1291 156 53.79 4 0 - - 0 27 0 So except the 4th inn, Sachin averages higher than him in all other inns.N as i have been saying, stats can be filtered to show anything

    Sachin average@home/no of centuries - 55 / 18 Sachin average@away/no of centuries - 55 / 24 ( A staggering 24 100s with 6 in Aus alone)

    Punter average@home - 60 Punter average@away - 49/16 ( everyone knows succeeding in alien conditions is the hallmark of a true gr8)

    Sachin avg in aus - 59 Punter avg in Ind- a mindboggling - 20 ( does not like wen ball turns)

    Sachin in Eng - avg - 64 Punter in Eng - avg - 42 ( does not like wen ball swings)

  • Sorcerer on August 29, 2009, 1:18 GMT

    Ponting averages much more as opposed to Tendulkar in matches involving the strongest two bowling attacks - against SA (56 V Sachin's paltry 35), against Pak (82 V Sachin's mere 42)

    Nobody ever stated that Sachin's records are not excellent overall, but they are not really as impressive or consistent as those of Ponting. The massive differential v SA and Pak bowling, the disproportionate liking for scoring in dull drawn matches being the hallmark of Sachin and on the other side the liking of Ponting to fight tooth and nail even in the third and fourth innings, and Sachin's rank mediocrity in those important phases is a stark feature.

    And talking of major matches, nothing comes closer to the WC '03 Final and we all know what happened as Ponting tore to shreds the Indian attack with a scintillating 140* completely destroying Harbhajan especially and then predictably Sachin fell tamely very early to McGrath..

  • Sorcerer on August 29, 2009, 1:13 GMT

    @batman...there are glaring errors in your post especially re batting averages in innings of Tests....following is straight from Cricinfo Stats engine:

    Averages.....

    Tendulkar

    in 1st innings of match - 72 in 2nd innings of match - 54 in 3rd innings of match - 44...don't particularly like third day or fourth day pitches either.... in 4th innings of match - 37...oh yes, the pitch has deteriorated and matters getting difficult to handle....

    Ponting

    in 1st innings of match - 61 in 2nd innings of match - 60 in 3rd innings of match - 55 in 4th innings of match - 62

    Add to that, yet another glaring dominance of Ponting:

    Tendulkar

    in matches won - 65 in matches lost - 36 in matches drawn - 65 (65 Tests too!)

    Ponting

    in matches won - 60 (89 Tests!) in matches lost - 59 in matches drawn - 56

    These are extremely major overall stats and not just selective Series ones which you have generally used. Ponting is incomparable.

  • batmannrobin on August 28, 2009, 16:57 GMT

    n because u ve made statemnts abt Sachin, even excluding the runs scored against ban n Zim he has scored more than 11K runs - more than total sum of Punter , n in the bouncy tracks of Aus he averages 59 against bowlers from Mcdermott to Johnson(with 50 against Mcgrath in Aus) n the mud thud Indian pitches , Punter has a mind blogging/tailendersque average of 20.12. And everyone knows how many matchs Oz has won after Warne - Mcgrath ( Eng without KP hammers them !) n how Punters stats nose dive after their retirement. So stats can be filtered to show Punter's miserable part too. Don,Warne,Sobers,Botham,Hadlee,Benaud, Akram,Mcgrath,Donald,Shoaib,Murali,Boycott,holding,Gower,Athers all rate Sachin or Lara as the best batsman.n compliments from such names wud mean much more than someone who says look at the stats and when told stats too say different,he says include this if clause n that if clause. Punter wrote off Eng after Leeds in public and now does not know where to hide !

  • RogerC on August 28, 2009, 15:41 GMT

    Regarding Sorcerer's comments on Ponting scoring high quality runs - Ponting's average in India is 20 after 4 tours. In fact his average was less than 10 until the last tour. Punter has scored more than 60% of his runs in Australia under home conditions where the ptiches have become extremely batsman friendly in the last decade. The Aussie ploy was to create good batting wickets where Punter, Hayden and Gilly will make merry and then the McGrath-Warne will clean up the opposition as they can take wickets on any pitch. Perth used to be a fast bowler's dream in the 70s and 80s. Look at it now. Adelaide is another flat track. Can't accept that Punter scored high quality runs. I think Lara or Tendulkar scored much higher quality runs considering the responsibility and pressure that they had to shoulder.

  • batmannrobin on August 28, 2009, 13:28 GMT

    sorcerer - I thought the highest individual score in tests s held by Lara and ODI s Anwar. n even excluding ODI stats, Punter has no record to show.So i dont know where anyone ever mentioned this is Ponting Vs Sachin alone. And we are just talking overall stats here. We can also post masked stats like how miserable Punter has been against bowlers like Ambrose, Walsh,(Ambrose retired in 00walsh played in Aus in 01) Harbhajan, Ishant n how his average in alien conditions like the turning ball in India is tailenderque and the swinging ball in England drops alarmingly. n fyi Punter 3rd inns avg is 42.25 and Sachin's s 44.05, Sachin averages more than him in all 3 except 4th. so stats can be filtered to show Punters weakness also. So lets talk abt overall stats.Noone spoke here abt Sachin v Ponting.The statement ' better stats than anyone of his era" was like 'Punter saying no chance for England to come back after Leeds". We all now know wat happened after tat.n maccho attd of Punter?Joke:)

  • Sorcerer on August 28, 2009, 1:33 GMT

    @batman....Well, interestingly in order to somehow prove that Tendulkar is better you have included pyjama cricket stats and also discounted the fact that he has played in far many Test too. Fact of the atter is Ricky Ponting scores more (better average) and at a faster pace (better S/R) and against generally better quality opposition (yes, unlike Sachin who has disproportionate matches against the mighty zimbabweans and Banglas) indicate who the supreme batsman is, compounded by another fact that Ricky has played half his matches on fast bouncy bowler-friendly tracks whereas Sachin has on the mud-thud pancake backwaters of Indian grounds. Also a small matter of much better average in the third and fourth innings to go, and incomparable number of match-winning tons by the Aussie when set against the habit of Sachin to score heavy in dull batting-carnival draws. Warne is by far the only world-class bowler Sachin has dominated and falling reeatedly to the likes of McGrath, Donald etc.

  • batmannrobin on August 27, 2009, 3:11 GMT

    @Sorcerer - D maximum # of runs scored in tests n ODIs, the maximum # of centuries scored in tests n ODIs, highest individual score in tests n ODIs , highest average in ODIs - none of d main batting records are held by Punter. The only record held is a higher average ( that too by just 1 run) ahead of the next competitor ( only those folks who ve scored more than 10K runs). So i dont know what battin stats better than anyone of his era r v talkin abt. Remember Punter after Leeds - " No Chance for England to come back" Strauss n Co ve hammered him where it really matters. n d the so called 90 matches that ve been won, Aus ve won just 12 of the 28 matches they have played after Warne -M cgrath retirement.not even 50%. He had d luxury of playing in a world beating side 4 most of his career which grossly exaggerates his stats. n Maccho attitude of Punter enriching the game ?? Yeah.Tats y he gets booed n hated everywhere he goes n even his own countrymen turned against him after Sydney08

  • batmannrobin on August 29, 2009, 12:55 GMT

    Sachin has had his moments against SA n PAk. His avg suggests tat. But Punter in india??? If there was ever a bunny , then it is Ponting to Bhajji n now Ishant too.

    So as i said stats can be filtered to show the aspects we wanna highlight. The reality is Ponting does not hold any stats ' undoubtably gr8ter than any batsman of his era'. Also can u tell me a single all time gr8 like Don, Warne,sobers or Hadlee, names which know abt cricket much better than u n me who rates Punter better than Lara or Sachin??

  • batmannrobin on August 29, 2009, 12:54 GMT

    Sachin before 2000 ( till that india were a one man army ) - 22 100s / avg 56 ( indian team had openers like Rathore, W V Raman, Gandhi n Rahul, VVS, Saurav were all avg till 00/01) Punter after 06/07 ( after retirement of all gr8s) - 4 100s / avg 42 ( Quality of teammates is as important as quality of opponents - Punter needs support of Taylor, Waughs, haydos, Langer, Martyn, Gilly, symmonds, Warne, Mcgrath, Healy - now tat they r all gone - he has been ruthlessly exposed)

    n the 90 matches that Aus have won - they have won 12 out of 29 after warne - Mcgrath (The matches they won were due to Warne n Mcgrath). n regd the 03 world cup, fyi, do u know how it s like having ur homes attacked if u lose a match? No other sportsman n i mean include all sports , ever faces this n no stat can tell u that. Thats the kind of pressure that Sachin played under when he single handedly revived Indian spirits in the 03 world cup taking them to the final.

  • batmannrobin on August 29, 2009, 12:31 GMT

    @Sorcerer- I also posted stg from cricinfo stats n u need to recheck Punter avgs. Infact posting it below.c 3 inn avg 1st match innings 1995-2009 136 4377 242 65.32 19 1 1/9 50.00 0 42 0 2nd match innings 1995-2009 136 3691 257 56.78 13 4 1/0 20.50 0 36 0 3rd match innings 1995-2009 134 1986 116 42.25 2 0 - - 0 54 0 4th match innings 1995-2009 102 1291 156 53.79 4 0 - - 0 27 0 So except the 4th inn, Sachin averages higher than him in all other inns.N as i have been saying, stats can be filtered to show anything

    Sachin average@home/no of centuries - 55 / 18 Sachin average@away/no of centuries - 55 / 24 ( A staggering 24 100s with 6 in Aus alone)

    Punter average@home - 60 Punter average@away - 49/16 ( everyone knows succeeding in alien conditions is the hallmark of a true gr8)

    Sachin avg in aus - 59 Punter avg in Ind- a mindboggling - 20 ( does not like wen ball turns)

    Sachin in Eng - avg - 64 Punter in Eng - avg - 42 ( does not like wen ball swings)

  • Sorcerer on August 29, 2009, 1:18 GMT

    Ponting averages much more as opposed to Tendulkar in matches involving the strongest two bowling attacks - against SA (56 V Sachin's paltry 35), against Pak (82 V Sachin's mere 42)

    Nobody ever stated that Sachin's records are not excellent overall, but they are not really as impressive or consistent as those of Ponting. The massive differential v SA and Pak bowling, the disproportionate liking for scoring in dull drawn matches being the hallmark of Sachin and on the other side the liking of Ponting to fight tooth and nail even in the third and fourth innings, and Sachin's rank mediocrity in those important phases is a stark feature.

    And talking of major matches, nothing comes closer to the WC '03 Final and we all know what happened as Ponting tore to shreds the Indian attack with a scintillating 140* completely destroying Harbhajan especially and then predictably Sachin fell tamely very early to McGrath..

  • Sorcerer on August 29, 2009, 1:13 GMT

    @batman...there are glaring errors in your post especially re batting averages in innings of Tests....following is straight from Cricinfo Stats engine:

    Averages.....

    Tendulkar

    in 1st innings of match - 72 in 2nd innings of match - 54 in 3rd innings of match - 44...don't particularly like third day or fourth day pitches either.... in 4th innings of match - 37...oh yes, the pitch has deteriorated and matters getting difficult to handle....

    Ponting

    in 1st innings of match - 61 in 2nd innings of match - 60 in 3rd innings of match - 55 in 4th innings of match - 62

    Add to that, yet another glaring dominance of Ponting:

    Tendulkar

    in matches won - 65 in matches lost - 36 in matches drawn - 65 (65 Tests too!)

    Ponting

    in matches won - 60 (89 Tests!) in matches lost - 59 in matches drawn - 56

    These are extremely major overall stats and not just selective Series ones which you have generally used. Ponting is incomparable.

  • batmannrobin on August 28, 2009, 16:57 GMT

    n because u ve made statemnts abt Sachin, even excluding the runs scored against ban n Zim he has scored more than 11K runs - more than total sum of Punter , n in the bouncy tracks of Aus he averages 59 against bowlers from Mcdermott to Johnson(with 50 against Mcgrath in Aus) n the mud thud Indian pitches , Punter has a mind blogging/tailendersque average of 20.12. And everyone knows how many matchs Oz has won after Warne - Mcgrath ( Eng without KP hammers them !) n how Punters stats nose dive after their retirement. So stats can be filtered to show Punter's miserable part too. Don,Warne,Sobers,Botham,Hadlee,Benaud, Akram,Mcgrath,Donald,Shoaib,Murali,Boycott,holding,Gower,Athers all rate Sachin or Lara as the best batsman.n compliments from such names wud mean much more than someone who says look at the stats and when told stats too say different,he says include this if clause n that if clause. Punter wrote off Eng after Leeds in public and now does not know where to hide !

  • RogerC on August 28, 2009, 15:41 GMT

    Regarding Sorcerer's comments on Ponting scoring high quality runs - Ponting's average in India is 20 after 4 tours. In fact his average was less than 10 until the last tour. Punter has scored more than 60% of his runs in Australia under home conditions where the ptiches have become extremely batsman friendly in the last decade. The Aussie ploy was to create good batting wickets where Punter, Hayden and Gilly will make merry and then the McGrath-Warne will clean up the opposition as they can take wickets on any pitch. Perth used to be a fast bowler's dream in the 70s and 80s. Look at it now. Adelaide is another flat track. Can't accept that Punter scored high quality runs. I think Lara or Tendulkar scored much higher quality runs considering the responsibility and pressure that they had to shoulder.

  • batmannrobin on August 28, 2009, 13:28 GMT

    sorcerer - I thought the highest individual score in tests s held by Lara and ODI s Anwar. n even excluding ODI stats, Punter has no record to show.So i dont know where anyone ever mentioned this is Ponting Vs Sachin alone. And we are just talking overall stats here. We can also post masked stats like how miserable Punter has been against bowlers like Ambrose, Walsh,(Ambrose retired in 00walsh played in Aus in 01) Harbhajan, Ishant n how his average in alien conditions like the turning ball in India is tailenderque and the swinging ball in England drops alarmingly. n fyi Punter 3rd inns avg is 42.25 and Sachin's s 44.05, Sachin averages more than him in all 3 except 4th. so stats can be filtered to show Punters weakness also. So lets talk abt overall stats.Noone spoke here abt Sachin v Ponting.The statement ' better stats than anyone of his era" was like 'Punter saying no chance for England to come back after Leeds". We all now know wat happened after tat.n maccho attd of Punter?Joke:)

  • Sorcerer on August 28, 2009, 1:33 GMT

    @batman....Well, interestingly in order to somehow prove that Tendulkar is better you have included pyjama cricket stats and also discounted the fact that he has played in far many Test too. Fact of the atter is Ricky Ponting scores more (better average) and at a faster pace (better S/R) and against generally better quality opposition (yes, unlike Sachin who has disproportionate matches against the mighty zimbabweans and Banglas) indicate who the supreme batsman is, compounded by another fact that Ricky has played half his matches on fast bouncy bowler-friendly tracks whereas Sachin has on the mud-thud pancake backwaters of Indian grounds. Also a small matter of much better average in the third and fourth innings to go, and incomparable number of match-winning tons by the Aussie when set against the habit of Sachin to score heavy in dull batting-carnival draws. Warne is by far the only world-class bowler Sachin has dominated and falling reeatedly to the likes of McGrath, Donald etc.

  • batmannrobin on August 27, 2009, 3:11 GMT

    @Sorcerer - D maximum # of runs scored in tests n ODIs, the maximum # of centuries scored in tests n ODIs, highest individual score in tests n ODIs , highest average in ODIs - none of d main batting records are held by Punter. The only record held is a higher average ( that too by just 1 run) ahead of the next competitor ( only those folks who ve scored more than 10K runs). So i dont know what battin stats better than anyone of his era r v talkin abt. Remember Punter after Leeds - " No Chance for England to come back" Strauss n Co ve hammered him where it really matters. n d the so called 90 matches that ve been won, Aus ve won just 12 of the 28 matches they have played after Warne -M cgrath retirement.not even 50%. He had d luxury of playing in a world beating side 4 most of his career which grossly exaggerates his stats. n Maccho attitude of Punter enriching the game ?? Yeah.Tats y he gets booed n hated everywhere he goes n even his own countrymen turned against him after Sydney08

  • Avid.Cricket.Watcher on August 26, 2009, 17:52 GMT

    I second RogerC's view (as do many people actually) that the fundamental reason for Australia's domination was their world class bowling attack led by McGrath and Warne (and supported by very good bowlers like Gillespie, Reiffel, Fleming, Kasprowich, and later Lee). The batting has become relatively weaker too, but taking 20 wickets is what wins test matches, and did for Taylor, Waugh and later Ponting. Ponting has his limitations, but as long as his teammates believe in his leadership (and they seem to), he remains the man for the job. Clarke can be groomed for another couple of years.

  • mayank125 on August 26, 2009, 16:04 GMT

    Australia is still better than England team and was also in 2005. The only difference is the captioncy. Ponting proved that he is not better than Steve or Taylor.Take the example of S. Fleming of N. Zealand , how he managed team without too many star players and infact he managed to beat Australia in their top form.

  • ihaq1 on August 26, 2009, 14:42 GMT

    well vettori would be a great captain if he could use his resources to greater effect...in australia we saw the same new zealanders smashing the bowl all over the park..in sri lanka it does not work that way...of course graeme with such a good bowling attack is responsible for failure..ponting has played out his era...all his colleagues have retired...he should too...a good captain uses minimum resources to play brilliantly and even though strauss is regarded poorly he did that and was thus better than ponting in this duel...england discussed things more and got everyone motivated...broad and swann rose to teh occasion and the captain has some angle in their doing so...ponting was dealt a bad hand but he could have changed it playing paine, lee and hauritz..might be even trying hughes in some other role...but he as they say could not change course midway...that is teh difference between a good and bad captain...using available resources to their best ability.bowlers can make a captain.

  • ihaq1 on August 26, 2009, 14:15 GMT

    a captain who loses twice to a lesser side must have no shame in retiring from captaincy if not cricket...The english thought out their strategy and made teh correct changes...Ponting did not have a spare middle order player...his openers were not as great as say hayden and langer who were always scoring centuries...he had three part time spinners and they should have delivered the goods...micheal clarke might not be a good captain too...australia has to think who has to open and who should be slotted into teh middle order...just hauritz might not have solved the problem...the Lee option could have been the answer or might be even Tim Paine...?They need a pair of new bowl bowlers perhaps and the reasons to johnsons failures after such success in south africa..how long can lee last...australia's captains have never needed tobe great captains.. just bat well and the team did the rest.team selection becomes the key component.are they failing to select future greats that was so easy before

  • 2.14istherunrate on August 26, 2009, 12:48 GMT

    I read all the time how Australia played the better cricket and I await further enlightenment as to this claim. As far as I can see chasing down 520 plus totals twice and failing does not back it up. Neither does seeing out a wet match after being behind. Scoring runs in the 4th innings is a soothing palliative at best designed to take a bit of pride back,but thes figures merely inflate the players records. England scored the hard runs, and took the vital wickets at more than the right time. I would suggest humbly that in this series Australia played the better cricket in the beffudled imaginings of sorrow drowning.The overall result does not lie,cannot lie.

  • Ahamed_Dammy on August 26, 2009, 8:55 GMT

    To A.P.B.: Well... U wait and see how Indian team wil dominate without Tendulkar, dravid and laxman.. Once India was a team which failed to win matches after Sachin getting out.. Now its diff dude..... Tendulkar is a boost for other younger players... His advice is reqd for them.. He is handful....Thats it.. Indian selectors are gr8.. Wil always give chance for youngsters.. See Ishant Sharma who troubled ponting like anything in aus down under... At that time India had other bowlers as well.. But see how he clicked there.. Indians wil fight hard against Proteas - a team which i like very much after India, to win the top spot... SL - not a threat....

    To all of you who praise ponting: He is the utter non-sense cricketer. He asked an indian reporter as to whether he was testing his(ponting's) integrity after he asked an appeal for a grounded catch.. My god.. Its clearly visible and understandable even for a child who has just started watching cricket...

  • Dax75 on August 26, 2009, 3:27 GMT

    I apologise again unreservedly for getting a couple of people upset. All I was trying to say was that when Australia play it hard, they get hammered in the media, when they play nice, they get hammered in the media. If the captain gets booed in England, he gets hammered in the media and called a sook, for answering a question and saying he doesn't care. Basically, if Australia win, they are the worst in the world and arrogant. And just to add, I thought Ricky Ponting carried himself extremely well, especially at the end of the 5th test when Athers was interviewing him with the biggest smile on his face ever. Way to go Athers, did you ever win an ashes series? Bring on England in South Africa, this is what I'm waiting for. Sad for Australia as this is where I live, and I actually support them if they arent playing SA, But then, all we really want to see is good clean cricket hey?

  • RogerC on August 26, 2009, 2:11 GMT

    Australia dominated the cricket scene for 10 years due to two great bowlers - McGrath and Warne. But when they were winning, the captains claimed the credit with some fancy terms like 'Mental disintegration' of Waugh or ''Innovative Leadership' by Taylor. But all along, the two bowlers were the fundamental reason for the success. If Taylor or Waugh is captaining Australia now, would they be any more successful than Ponting? I really doubt so. Truth is out and accepted now.

  • Sorcerer on August 26, 2009, 0:10 GMT

    Quite simply what's been going around largely regarding criticism of Ponting is a result of "tall poppy syndrome". Here we have a swashbuckling batsman-skipper whose batting stats are better than anyone in the game right now and one who is all set to take over the couple of remaining world records too in form of aggregate runs and tons. One who has featured in around 90 Test wins! The macho attitude which players like Ponting bring to the game have enriched the game far more than damaged the so-called archaic notion of gentlemanly spirit of the game. A player who will no doubt end up with a century of Test wins under his belt has to be admired out and out. What has bene proven though is that Aussie bowling ranks are a mere shadow of what they used to be but they are just about the type of team which can sting back with venom and play most resilient cricket when the chips are down. They may have won at home but the English know what they can expect a royal drubbing back Downunder...

  • Edmontonion on August 26, 2009, 0:02 GMT

    Yes, Australia lost the Ashes for the second time under Ponting's captaincy. How ever as a captain, he had very limited bowling options and had to deal with the unexpected loss of form of his strike bowler Mitchell Johnson. Though there are no excuses for the poor bowling at times and batting collapses at crucial times, Australian supporters should support their team during this rebuilding phase. It is very easy to get frustrated and sack Ponting - what next? Who is good enough to replace Ponting and deal with rebuilding the Australian team? Last thing Australian cricket need right now is another one of their experienced player retiring from international cricket. Every team has to go through the rebuilding phase and losing a few matches or series is part and parcel of the transition - deal with it.

  • JasonS on August 25, 2009, 21:49 GMT

    In 2013 Michael Clarke should lead the team, Ponting should not be selected for the 2013 Ashes. It is better for younger players to be in the team. I don't think Ponting is the best Captain, hopefully if he doesn't get his act together during this upcoming summer, that he should be replaced at the end of the upcoming summer with Michael Clarke as Captain.

  • ltsclp on August 25, 2009, 15:00 GMT

    Pointing is not more determined but to take revenge and showing his anger when talked about 2013. If he returns then he will be adding one more humiliation to his Ashes record and to Australia.. He should retire maybe in one year from now...

  • javed23 on August 25, 2009, 13:29 GMT

    no doubt australia palyed the better cricket than england we can prove it trough individual records they have capture the top position but in some place they could not avail the chance that is why they lose once again they are the best not as they were but i m sure they will restore there pride and i would love to see them under Ponting and best of luck to them

  • 1235711131723293137 on August 25, 2009, 10:24 GMT

    everybody who starts saying ponting is a bad leader and has been exposed without warne, mcgrath and co, needs to stop n think about the situation. is vetorri a bad captain because NZ fail to bowl out teams? was grame with a bad captain in 05-06 because SA lost to Aus 2-0 at home then 3-0 in SA.?? No neither are or were bad leaders. Quite simply they didnt have the quality to win. Aus bowling is now in the position. They can be great bowlers but lack the consistency which marked the greatness of warne and mcgrath. It is not possibly to blame Ponting for the lacklustre performance of his bowlers. It would be the same to blame him for Husseys drop in form or the failures of philip hughes. everybody who has a go at him is just trying to tear down a man who has achieved so much in the game as both a batsmen AND captain

  • Liquifier on August 25, 2009, 8:24 GMT

    @Straddler - Yes you have a level-head, one of the few in these forums (certainly excluding me :D), however I can't stand baseless attacks on my beloved side. Call them inferior to our great side of 99-06, call them developing, raw, green around the gills, even susceptible in pressure scenarios. That is fine as it is all true in some way or another. That is the thing, I am not blindly fighting for my side just to be brazen, I am defending parts that are irrelevant. Ponting only ever ANSWERED media questions about decisions, distancing himself from implying any impact they may have had on the games, he ANSWERED questions by the media about the booing, never brought it up and never whined about it, and yet we still get called cheats, wimps, whiners by all the passive-aggressive hooligans who've been waiting a decade or more to seize a chance to dig the knife in. I'll say this, in five years time we will smoke the international scene again for another 10-15 years. Its one big cycle.

  • Liquifier on August 25, 2009, 8:19 GMT

    @Quaser - No I wasn't mistaken, any guy who bats at 33 (beneath Swann with the bat) and bowls at 52 against a "weak" side is trash and got carried through. The fact you mention a simple, flukey run-out as a high-point for the man reinforces my point. Yeah he got a five-bag (the 3rd in his long, mediocre career), sure, so what happens when we remove that to see how he backed it up? Uh-oh he's only gone and taken 3-325...

    @K ABBAS - Re-read my scripture, WHAT has your absurd, baseless point (PAK are weak and choked themselves into losing that series, umpiring aside as we are not counting it for this series either, and PRETTY SURE that was a decade ago mate, let it go) got to do with ENGLAND outplaying AUST? WHAT ON EARTH ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT A SERIES AGAINST PAK THAT HAPPENED 10 years ago for in a forum about THE ASHES? You have missed the point entirely as usual. And if bad decisions are part of the game why harbour such passive aggression 10 years on for a series we SMOKED u in?

  • hoodbu on August 25, 2009, 2:26 GMT

    Imagine you're vice-captain Michael Clarke, having top-scored for the Aussies. Why on earth should he have to go through yet another Ashes campaign under Ponting? If Clarke, who is in the form of his life, is not captain in 2013, at the age of 32, then there would be something seriously wrong with Australia.

  • 2.14istherunrate on August 24, 2009, 22:43 GMT

    Ricky Ponting is more than welcome to return to the Oval in 4 years, but he will not be any happier if he does. Sometimes it's better to stick than twist.

  • shramiac1 on August 24, 2009, 22:30 GMT

    Andypa: Are saying that Johnson bowled well?? Bleeding 7 runs an over after England have been held down by Siddle and Hillfie! His talent is there don't get me wrong but he just wasn't the bowler we thought he'd be after the 6 tests against SA and Australia suffered for it. Something was just not right with him! I truely hope he recovers his mojo as he could end his career as a great cricketer. I pray he doesn't end up like Symonds!

  • vumpire-republic on August 24, 2009, 21:24 GMT

    Dax75, I'm relatively neutral too. But unless you saw all 5 days of the Sydney '08 test (and not just the '09 test...commiserations for that), it's not fair to comment on it. If you go back and read what the Aussie greats from the '50s and '60s, and respected writers like Peter Roebuck had to say about that match, perhaps you'd see where the so-called "sooks" were coming from.

  • pras_vn on August 24, 2009, 21:14 GMT

    i m a big fan of aussie toughness....and no matter where ever they will be in the rankings in the next year or so...i am pretty sure they will be fighting tooth and nail...!

  • usman_a on August 24, 2009, 18:06 GMT

    Well Australia Stay on top more then 10yrs....Aus is my fav team n Ricky ponting is my fav player all time...they win or lose doesnt metter I love them...see you soon back in Australia

  • Jarr30 on August 24, 2009, 17:13 GMT

    Ponting should be SACKED because he might be a good player but an average captain and can't handle pressure. Being an Englishmen I always thought that we had a good chance of regaining the Ashes as Australia is not the team as it was with warne,gilly,hayden,mcgath retiring. India & SA demolished Australia last year and exposed Australia weakness that is their bowling and Pointing's captaincy. I would always wish that Ponting decides to come back to Englang as we will beat them again and regain the Ashes.

  • Quazar on August 24, 2009, 16:55 GMT

    @liquifier: Too bad your batters couldn't handle the "useless Flintoff" at Lord's. And what a pity the same man ran out your skipper with more 'useless' cricket at the Oval. And so tragic that Staurt Clark got a horrible decision (after Watson got lucky early in the innings)...he looked really well set to carry you to 300+! And as your papers are pointing out, how lowly of the English to produce a challenging result-wicket! (almost as dastardly as the famous win when Greg asking Trevor to bowl underarm, right? Or perhaps more than even that!) And as you (and your papers again) point out, the umpiring could not have been more diabolical! Drat! (And by the way, if your current lot were to visit SL, M & M would whoop them just as badly as Afridi & Ajmal did in the Middle East. But I guess we'll just have to wait for a while.)

  • RKB21 on August 24, 2009, 16:36 GMT

    Congratulations to England for winning the series. All Australia has to do to move up in the ICC rankings is play NZ home and 'away' in a couple of 2-match series, :) Also, Ricky Ponting will be able to score centuries to try and catch up with Sachin.

  • LarryD on August 24, 2009, 16:31 GMT

    to sachindoesnotrule: "I would not say the better team won the ashes, but definitely the luckier side won." You can't argue with the results my friend. England beat Aus fair and square. The better team did win the Ashes. Kudos to the English team, we played like champs. Broad bowled his heart out. It was good to see Mike Hussey finally get some runs, but it was too little too late. Anyway, the longer the Aussies keep denying there is a problem, the longer it will take to fix it. The team needs fresh thinking. Just like England has flourished ever since Vaughan was axed, Aus will do the same after Ponting is gone. Shane Watson would make a great captain some day...

  • Quazar on August 24, 2009, 16:29 GMT

    @liquifier and @dax75: Do you know why some of your boys (not all...I'm a fan of many Aussie cricketers) attract so much loathing? Coz they didn't learn how to win with class! There are / have been champions like Federer, Phelps, the Great Don Bradman, Pele, even Usain Bolt who are a credit to their sports and enjoy support and admiration whether at the peak of their powers, or near the end of their careers. Even the Great WI teams were respected and liked by all - even upon thrashing home teams. Many modern Aussie players - McGrath, Symonds, Ponting and Hayden have been downright BOORISH on numerous occasions. And oh...after the Sydney Test of 2008, even past Aussie Test Greats castigated Ponting & Co. That was the first time I saw a batsman (M. Clarke) knick a ball to 1st slip (off Kumble) and then wait for the umpire's finger! Disgraceful! And though Ponting & team have been dignified, fans like you & your media are whinging & whining instead! Boohoo!

  • sanjeevmukherjee2006 on August 24, 2009, 16:06 GMT

    Well it is tough for the australians esp after loosing players of the calibre of Hayden, Gilchrist, warne,langer,symonds (due to his fault),mcgrath, kasprowich, gillespie, australia have lost may be 3 series out of their last 4 major series, they lost to india, sa in sa and now england, even they lost t20 wc and triangular odi series involving india and sl. The major points why Australia lost: (1) Australia could not get the last pair out in the first test (2) nathan hauritz ommission in the last test (3) australian tail enders did not score as well as the tail enders like Swann and Broad, australian struggled to get english men out after they had lost half of their sid

  • chintumani on August 24, 2009, 15:43 GMT

    Hey . Really nice to see England win the series after the huniliating 4th Test. Australia , whether someone agrees or not, are not among the best teams in the world right now. I dont hink anyone except Ponting or Clarke is going to win or even save game for them at the moment. Its a different story for the young men like North and Haddin to score a fifty or hundred when the team is at a 350/5 -ish position. But what when they are 100/5 -ish position.Mr.Cricket no more is consistent and his judgement to leave out deliveries has been vulnerable which has proved him costly. There is no consistent pace bowler nor a good spinner in the team. They will suffer a few more humiliation in the next couple of years atleast until they get a decent experienced side.Their only hope is the series against WI & Pak (both not so good in the Test format) now. Lets see if there's any miracle to come out of Australian side . I hope they had a series against Bang. For sure Bangladesh wud have come on top.

  • blackerthanyourhate on August 24, 2009, 15:22 GMT

    With all due respect to both England and Australia, congratulations to both sides for giving all viewers a good contest. For a long time it was good to see both teams playing with equal intensity, courage and valour. The Ashes is indeed the ultimate seriousness in Test Cricket. The aussies anticipated in particularly ricky ponting that the english players would remain distracted because of fintoff's retirement whereas they used it as a primary reason for their motivation to win the ashes 2009. Ricky Ponting has made a few blunders throughout the series and i am sure he would look on them if he really cares to what he means. On the other hand England selectors have found two good rookies Onions and Trott to be tested on to the next level. The Ashes represents an amazing seriousness in test cricket and test cricket will always remain popular for such incredible bunch of gentleman who have taken the sport to an entirely new level. Congratulations to Team England once again.

  • Subra on August 24, 2009, 15:08 GMT

    I feel that the Austraians are most vulnerable when they win. In 2005 they won at Lords got cocky and inspite of Glenn McGrath's injury won the toss and elected to field and lost the match. In 2009 they should have won but drew - thought they were invincible and lost at Lords. They win at Headingley get cocky again, refuse to play Hauritz and lose at the Oval. Team selection or two bad patches of batting have made Test cricket alive. If the Aussies won - business as usual, terribly boring. Speaking of Test cricket, why not allow students free admission if there are vacant seats - also why not have a system of allowing regular patrons (subject to seat vailability) to upgrade to a higher level without paying extra. You would then have a very loyal supporter. Whatever may be said about T20, Test cricket is the real thing, the 10-course formal dinner to T20 a quick bite at the local fast-food joint - good once in a while but not on a regular basis. Siva from Singapore

  • vumpire-republic on August 24, 2009, 14:56 GMT

    @Liquifier: I can understand your bitterness at folks who believe in kicking a man when he's down. But wouldn't it be classier to just say to such people: "We'll see about that the next time your team visits Australia"...rather than returning venom with venom?

  • Dax75 on August 24, 2009, 14:27 GMT

    1983 world cup, apologies. Regardless of what you think, the Sydney test didn't hurt me,as I said in my previous comment i don't go for Australia. The Sydney test in 2009 did hurt though! Anyways, I was agreeing with you in the timidity of the team, well, for the most part. When Australia played it hard nosed and aggressive, they were arrogant. When they walk onto the field, they are arrogant. Australia wether you like it or not, have been beaten to death in the media, mainly cos a bunch of sooks lost 3 wickets in 1 over to lose the test, then complained to anyone that would listen, and since then, Australia have been trying to clean up their image, and it doesn't work. Get them back playing hard cricket, and sledge if you have to to get an advantage, what the hell is wrong with that, as long as race doesn't come into it. You tell me, have Australia, or have they not, been beaten to within an inch by the media? Ponting is trying very hard, pity half the side with him doesn't.

  • K-ABBAS on August 24, 2009, 14:06 GMT

    A.P.B. I KNOW THEY LOST 3-0 BUT WINNING 2ND TEST AND GOING INTO 3RD WITH HIGH MORAL AND SERIES 1-1 COULD BE A BIG DIFFERENCE.

  • najeroo on August 24, 2009, 14:01 GMT

    I think the key to success for Aussies was attacking crickek and you play attacking cricket when you have strong and aggressive characters/players. When Austrailia were out of T/20 people were saying OH it is T/20 cricket and it is not good measure of players e.g M Johnson etc. I explained that T/20 is very intense and pressure game where every bal and run counts and you have limited resources rather than luxury of unlimited overs/2 innings and mix and match as you like. A player who is good will be good in different conditions and under more pressure e.g shane warne, G Smith, Gilly, Dravid, Murali, Mendis, Dilshan etc. Although these excellent collapses of Eng/Aust are good for X-Factor in Test otherwise as it seems it is going to die very soon in the hand of 20/20. No game can survive without spectators and who wants results/entertainment/thril/skills and most important perform under pressure where every ball and run counts rather than sleeping for hours wasting time& money.

  • K-ABBAS on August 24, 2009, 13:51 GMT

    MR. LIQUIFIER you need to read all the comments then say wheather my point is baseless or what. Specially check the comment of PROTEAFAN. You are saying about 3rd test you have given any reply about 2nd test when Gilly and langer were given not out (BIG BLUNDERS)

  • A.P.B. on August 24, 2009, 13:33 GMT

    Another thing I would like to say in response to some of these comments particularly those posted by our sub-continental brothers, write off Aussie cricket at your peril! As someone who grew up in the 80's I remember how bad Australia were after the retirements of Chappell, Lillee & Marsh. This current team are streets ahead of that one after losing Warne, McGrath, Hayden, Langer, Martyn & Gilchrist. We'll see how good India is in a couple of years after losing Kumble & Ganguly with Tendulker, Dravid, Laxman & Sehwag not too far behind! As for K-ABBAS, I agree with you about blaming umpires, but mate, explain to me how 2 decisions in Hobart cost Pakistan the series when they lost a 3 test series 3-0? Now AARON, you forgot to mention NZ, WI and Zim! NZ and Windies beat us in the 80's, Zim beat us once in the world cup and bangladesh beat us in an ODI in 05 when Symonds was too drunk to play. Surely that must mean we are actually 11th?

  • Tom-T on August 24, 2009, 13:30 GMT

    gradds55: my understanding of that rule is that it relates solely to helmets. Good point, though.

  • sachindoesnotrule on August 24, 2009, 13:16 GMT

    Well, first of all cograts to England for winning Ashes. I would not say the better team won the ashes, but definitely the luckier side won. People learn more from adversity, and this young Australian team is fortunate that they have been put through tough tours early in their careers. One year down the line(or maybe sooner), I am sure Oz fans will get their chance to laugh at all the clowns who happen to celebrate Australian team slide to number 4 rankings in Tests.

  • A.P.B. on August 24, 2009, 13:07 GMT

    As a proud Aussie first thing I will say is congratulations to England. Whilst I still believe we have the better side, we did not take our chances whereas England rose when they needed to and our inconsistency let us down. But wow, what a great time it is for test cricket. It is so exciting to see a lot of nations are very even at the moment. Although I believe SA are the best in the business, Australia and India are very close behind with SL and England not too far away either. England will step up to the next level if they can go on and build from their Ashes triumph unlike after 05 when they experienced an 'Ashes hangover' and played some pretty ordinary cricket for the next couple of years. People seem to forget the 5-0 mauling they received in 06/07. In fact their performance in Oz in the last 20 years has been farcical. Once they become competitive away from home they will jump up a couple of pegs in my book.

  • rustin on August 24, 2009, 12:40 GMT

    Amazing series really. The difference between the two sides was the way they were led. Strauss led from the front and set an example for the rest. Ponting will still remain captain(there is no one else) at least till the World cup. There is nothing really wrong with the Aus team. As Ponting himself said, they lost the big moments. One of them was selecting the playing 11. :) Hope test cricket remains as interesting after this series. India in South Africa should provide some exciting cricket.

  • dickiebrewsters on August 24, 2009, 12:21 GMT

    In answer to gradds55 query on the Laws. Clarke hit the ball at Cook's leg protectors and it rebounded to Strauss. If it had hit the stumpts directly from Cook's Pads or protective helmet, it would have been not out. But, the ball does not become a dead ball when it hits, otherwise a batsmen would be punished if he hit a boundary which recochets of the helmet with a dead ball. As the ball was still "live", it was in play when Strauss effected the run out.

  • Andypa on August 24, 2009, 12:08 GMT

    Congratulations to England for an outstanding performance. Its absolutely an collective effort. I dont think we could finger point any single player for the reason behind this marvelous victory,nor individuals be blamed for the defeat. Yet another post here was doing onslaught on Mitchell Johnson. That was sheer rubbish.

    Hey shramiac1 , its so funny that you call your tact as a different one, which is actually idiotic.

  • 1983worldcup on August 24, 2009, 11:34 GMT

    Dax75, "Timidity" that I mentioned was not about sledging, but the attacking instincts of Gilly, Haydan etc. But then people like you would use every forum for your anti-India rants.

    On the other hand Sydney test hurts even now, does it not?

  • najeroo on August 24, 2009, 10:50 GMT

    I told my friends well before the match that there is only one team who is going to win and that is England. The reason, England has only one option and that was to win, whilst Austrailia were confused and they wanted to ?draw/win, more wanted to draw in addition to poor homework before match. A focussed and single minded team have far more chances to win than a confused team and if you have poor selection and strategy ? defensive/attacking. Even people who know little bit cricket were convinced that there should be variation in bowling and that is also a rule when you don't know about pitch and condiiotns. Keeping spinner out and most importantly match winner Brett Lee sitting out and watching, was foolish decision which sane person cant digest. This is very old and rubbish arguement to keep winning combination, when reasons and conditions are totally different. Umpiring, crowd and media all are excuses and no one else has had more favour than Austrailia from these in past.

  • synergy on August 24, 2009, 10:46 GMT

    I personally feel that the downfall of the Aussies had begun with the departure of Shane Warne and Glen Mcgrath who were infact the main match winners for them. The situation slumped further with the exit of Gilly, Langer and Hayden and now with all of them gone, the Aussie are made to look like paper tigers. I do not wish to take away any credit from the superlative performance of the English team, they have really played well and deserved to win.

    Pontings team has slumped to 4th position after this defeat and I do not see them coming bach to the top for a long time now because they do not have the fire power in this present teamto clinb back to the top. They will have to look for a quality spinner, groom him and also find a worthy replacement for Mcgrath failing which the Aussies can only slump furthjer.

  • Mike_C on August 24, 2009, 10:35 GMT

    2 very evenly matched teams, and allowing a hopeless batsman like Panesar to survive 11 overs in Cardiff made all the difference, as 2-2 would have been a fair reflection of the balance of play.

    When conditions suited them the Aussie batsmen were completely on top, but when conditions favoured the Poms, they collapsed hopelessly, costing them 2 Tests. Inexperience played a part, and a slightly one dimensional way of playing perhaps? Someone like North typifies this, he seemed to alternate betwen big scores and failures...

  • Ahamed_Dammy on August 24, 2009, 10:31 GMT

    Its unfair to say that Australia lost because of umpiring decisions... Its their inconsistency in both the departments that led to the defeat.. I am happy that the Aussies lost this series.. They dont deserve this... If anyone could say that its for umpiring decisons that led to their defeat then recall how India suffered in Sydney Test and eventually lost the series... These are part and parcel of cricket.. I hate Australian cricket team for their supremacy of being top ranked team.. Now its all over..... They cant control umpires and get wickets like they did in the case of former Indian captain Ganguly in that Test... Happy that they are below Indians now in the rankings.....

  • Liquifier on August 24, 2009, 10:25 GMT

    guru_floyd Australia DID lose graciously, accepting Eng did better than them, blamed none of the absolutely horrid decisions from Koertzen and co. and conceded defeat.

    The ranting of you about how they didn't is literally all in your head.

    SL no. 2 eh? We'll see how long that lasts after Murali and Jayasuria retire (A Mendis is getting clocked by NZ so he's finished). Last time SL came to Aus they got pounded into submission by a new-look Aus team. Murali series stats 4-400. Enjoy this smugness whilst it lasts. We will rise to where we belong again. Soon. WIndies were good and now are not, look at their administration?!? Aus has many measures in place to ensure fair pay, good play and good development of rich talents. We are going through a rebuilding phase (happens when you lose 7 players who would have been in any country's side when they were playing). All these overly excited people now need perspective.

    Well done Eng, you carried the useless flintoff through.

  • vumpire-republic on August 24, 2009, 10:21 GMT

    Well done Team England! And the truly encouraging thing is they overcame the absence of KP, and the presence of a half-fit Flintoff...without whom, they were supposed to not have a snowball's chance! Kudos to guys like Strauss, Broad, Trott, Swann and Prior (and a few others) for putting their hands up at important times. Tough luck for the Wallabies. (And quite sad for guys like Hauritz, Lee and Hughes who didn't get enough faith.)

  • howizzat on August 24, 2009, 10:20 GMT

    A point is proved beyond doubts now. Punter's great captancy is exposed. His captaincy was revolving around the players like Hayden, Langer, Gilchrist, Mcgrath and Lillee. Without these stalwerts PONTING is a helpless. He was all at sea with new bunch of replacements. So dear Ponting please come to realty, and learn a few points from your counterparts like Strauss, Smith and Dhoni. INDIA sowed the seeds and England has nurtured the downfall. Today Australia is Number 4 Test Nation in the world. Its a wake up call for CA. It just cannot shirk away from its responsibilities, giving some excuses. But should think to rebuild afresh.

  • Liquifier on August 24, 2009, 10:19 GMT

    Whoever put MS Dhoni's name in "good captains with inspired decisions" needs to be reminded of his absurd 8-1 field against Australia and the fact that he has no tactics other than defensive ones.

    To mention his name alongside a skilled, aggressive, SMART tactician like MA Taylor is deluded at best.

    And whoever said "yeah Ponting you lost to Eng, SAF and India" has clearly forgotten that we BEAT SAF at home, Trashed ENG 5-0 at home and destroyed a choking Indian side at home. Anyone from India who says we just win at home needs to have a good hard look at their own country's results and see that they barely do anything outside of their country.

    Again, no bitterness towards Eng or the victory, both were deserved and outright gained by better playing in crucial moments.

    The bitterness arises from people who are misguided and bring up "aussies bad spirit", "aussies whinge about umpiring what about x, y and z", and all the rubbish that is entirely irrelevant to ENG playing well

  • Liquifier on August 24, 2009, 10:10 GMT

    K ABBAS - your points are entirely irrelevant and baseless. Pakistan would have gotten caned in the 3rd test of that series in any case, and the Indians were disgraceful on the 07 tour you speak of so blindly, behaviour-wise and for the choke factor. Nobody indicated umpiring decisions were costly or impactful in this series, in fact Ponting made a point of distancing himself from that entirely. I am absolutely sick to death of the usual "aussies are cheats", "whingeing about umpiring, remember this and this and this" and any other meaningless drivel that gets spouted on EVERY forum, whether they are relevant or not. Well done England you outplayed us entirely in key times.

  • Avid.Cricket.Watcher on August 24, 2009, 10:04 GMT

    Judging from Sutherland's comments, here's what's gonna happen in the Aussie cricket summer: 1) Status quo on selectors, captain & coach. No party will acknowledge their own mistakes in the series loss. 2) Less influential players like Stuart Clark and Hughes may suffer, while Johnson and Hussey will retain their positions. 3) Australia will thrash the T20-preferring WI side in the tests, and should win against Pakistan (another team in rebuild mode) too. 4) Sutherland & Co. will pat themselves on the back and proclaim a resurrection is underway. (PS: To me, until the Aussie selectors & captain start truly investing in spinners like Hauritz, Krejza or some young & promising upstart, they will not be a force in all conditions. Especially on the sub-continent. But also in England, as we now know!)

  • K-ABBAS on August 24, 2009, 9:36 GMT

    Congratulations to England they have proved that they are good side even without Fred and KP. Aussies cant blam umpiring, good and bad decisions are part of game. Dont forget Australia v Pakistan test series in 1999 when two bad decisions in Hobart (2nd test) cost Pakistan the full test series. And about appeals remember Australia vs India series in 2007-08 in Australia.

  • shramiac1 on August 24, 2009, 8:36 GMT

    Not going to comment on the usual "umpires are biased or Aussies don't play in the spirit" crap that always seem to flow from an un-named Asian country, I'm going to go a different tact. Firstly, well done England, you won 3 crucial sessions that swung things your way in the 2 tests you won. My theory is that sadly, Mitchell Johnson was the difference in the series. 9 dreadful inninings of wayward bowling that took off all the pressure set up by Hillfie and Siddle! England would never had scored any runs in the 1st or 2nd test if he had bowled with 1/2 the skill he showed in South Africa when we all thought he'd finally come of age! But who would have known he could of bowled so badly following the SA series? At least Ponting would have had the confidence to use him to clean up the tail in the 1st test anyway! Ah, that's cricket I guess.

  • PROTEAFAN on August 24, 2009, 8:36 GMT

    Australia have lost the ashes and have not played their best cricket. However, what cannot be overlooked are the shocking umpiring decisions made at crucial times in this series, both times leading to an England "win". We could never be sure that Australia would have gone on to win those games, but how can England celebrate so vigorously when it has not be definitively proven that they are the better team? Even more disgusting were the nature of the England appeals, often led by their captain, when players were clearly not out. This is not in the spirit of the game and I sympathise with the Australians who for me remain the better team. I look forward to England's tour of South Africa when their real quality, or rather lack thereof, will be exposed.

  • AARON.IFTEKHAR on August 24, 2009, 8:35 GMT

    Downfall of Australian Empire has started... now they have slipped from 1st to 4th on the ICC Test rankings list. Actually, according to my opinion they are now 6th ranked global team: India - 1st, South Africa - 2nd, Sri Lanka - 3rd, England - 4th, and Pakistan are 5th. They have all won against Aussie. Now it is the turn for Bangladesh to do its bit... go! go! go!

  • SHANTIRATNAM on August 24, 2009, 8:22 GMT

    Australia is missing the great names, very good players retired at the same time and its a major risk for the future of Austrlia cricket. Players like Ponting, Lee, M Clarke all had the luck of playing with the best players like Waugh, Border, Macgrath etc, but the current new players are left with few greats in the team who could motivate the young bunch to perform at the highest level. Jayasuriya still going at 40, Sri Lanka may face the same problem in couple of years in the ODI's.

  • gradds55 on August 24, 2009, 8:20 GMT

    I'm an Aussie. a sad one. And before I ask this technical question, let me say that England played the better cricket, by far, and deserved to reclaim the. Ashes... so this is a technical question only, and its about the runout of Miicheal Clarke.

    I agree that he was out of his crease when the ball hit the stumps, but, the question is , was the short fielder that got hit in the shins, if it was the shins, wearing shin guards, if so, then I think that the rules state that Pup should not have been given out , because the ball came off protective equiptment.?

    To Rishi 25.. lets hope that for a while there is nomantle of world supremacy (although from an Aussie point of view ;) It would keep things interesting !!

    ps.. i think that the whole series would have gone differently had Brett Lee been fit to play, and why he wasn't put into the team for htis test defies logic, imo. !!

    pps.. DON'T underestimate Australian Cricket.. We'll be back !!

  • WST16 on August 24, 2009, 7:52 GMT

    As a cricket lover and an Australian I look forwards to battles between Australia, Sri Lanka, India and South Africa for the No.1 Test ranking. Ponting is not the sharpest tactition but he is a great leader and a phenomenal batsman, and he carried himself extremly well in England i thought. In all the disapointment in losing the Ashes im also exited about the new players preparing to burst onto the international scene, young players like Callum Ferguson, Phillip Hughes, Jon Holland and Peter Siddle. Full Credit to England for regaining the Ashes... But Australia are by no means dead, and im sure we will bounce back!! (Providing the Selectors wake up to themselves)

  • Woody111 on August 24, 2009, 7:15 GMT

    If Ponting goes to England at 38 Aus cricket will have gone backwards! Bad luck Punter, you don't always get the opportunity for revenge. While you've done the best you could during a difficult period of Aus cricket, this summer should be your last for Aus. Well done England, by playing better at key moments you've got the Ashes back. Both teams will be quite different when 2010/2011 rolls around. One can expect that Katich, Hussey, Ponting, Clark will be absent by then. And for goodness sake get an opener to open!

  • manju.kori on August 24, 2009, 7:01 GMT

    I enjoyed every bit of this match, and at the end I'm very happy that ENG won Ashes. AUS never looked confident to win this match and eventually series. BTW Aussies welcome to 4th place. Ponting is not a great captain, he was just fortunate to have all-time greats during most of his days, now the true character is showing up. He should probably try to bat well rather than talking to the media, pre match. Now Ponting lost the most important match of his career of 130+ matches.

  • RK_NIU on August 24, 2009, 6:57 GMT

    I think the absence of players like Symonds, Gilchrist, Hayden and Bret lee made a difference to the Australia side...Even with the absence of these players, I felt it will be very difficult for England to win the series...but, full credits to them...Andrew Strauss has been consistent throughout series along with few other players...Full credits to them I am sure Australia will bounce back to win the ODI series...Lets see!

  • Rishi_25 on August 24, 2009, 6:52 GMT

    Isn't it good for Cricket in general that the mantle of World Supremacy has passed on from Aussie hands. Although, it is still unclear who the next undisputed Champion will be in World Cricket, I feel that having a more multi-polar cricketing world makes for more interesting and unpredictable contests. This had to pass, everything comes full circle. I for one was bored watching Australia come in day in and day out and knock the stuffing out of each and every side. It was a no-contest within the first day of a Test Match. Now, however, the scene has become a lot more exciting with teams like SA, SL, India and Australia fighting it out for the top spot.

  • sureshji on August 24, 2009, 6:49 GMT

    In the past 'Neutral' Umpiring has tended to favour the Aussies. This time more umpiring decisions went against Australia.

  • Avid.Cricket.Watcher on August 24, 2009, 6:43 GMT

    Ponting may not be a great captain, but he's still the best man to lead Australia. In another year or two, Clarke should be ready to succeed him, but not just yet. To me, some incorrect judgment and tough luck did Ponting in. To have not played Lee or Hauritz at the Oval was the wrong call. Even on a traditional Oval wicket, one of those 2 would have been more likely to succeed than Stuart Clark. And this is not the first time that Ponting has opted against a full-fledged spinner in the 11...he did not give Jason Krezja a go until the final test against India too. As for the tough luck - losing 4 of 5 tosses, the main strike bowler + an opener + Hussey (for most of the series) misfiring were pretty significant setbacks.

  • Samdanh on August 24, 2009, 6:40 GMT

    England certainly played better and deserved to win. Ponting and team should feel proud because they have taken the blame on themselves and are looking at correcting their own mistakes. They never found fault with umpiring though 3 decisions in one innings in Lords and two decisions in Oval certainly hurt them. They did not force ICC to suspend or change umpires nor did they self eulogise about being the only team playing in true spirit. Neither did they cry foul about the pitch like a country which cried foul about the pitch in their own country when Aus beat them in their own den. Ponting and your team, you have played well and remained sporting. Congrats to your great sportsmanship. You have silently but in a telling manner showed how to behave both as captain and players when losing. But sadly, only those who can understand, can learn

  • ravi_musti on August 24, 2009, 6:37 GMT

    the aussies think that they should win everything.. more like they deserve to win everything just 'cause they are aussies.. nice one england.. nice of you to help them taken down a notch.. some more of these reality checks and australia will be another west indies.. dominated one era.. losers another era..

  • DAN22 on August 24, 2009, 6:35 GMT

    If there was one team that could claim to being able to survive mass resignations then it was supposed to be Australia. We, in India, used to believe that Australia could field 2 teams in the world cup and both could be in the finals. Now they are in the the unique position of having lost 3 of their last 4 series and 7 of their last 15 matches. The funny part is that they were still good enough to jostle with the others. I believe they miss the Confidence factor while still being high on the arrogance factor. Also Ponting's management of his troops leave a lot to be desired. The true test of captaincy comes when things dont go your way ( and thats why Dhoni is highly regarded) and Ponting failed at this.

  • Bigskyrocket on August 24, 2009, 6:26 GMT

    The blame of this ashes loss rests firmly with the selectors, they have allowed certain players like Hayden and Lee to play for too long. I do suspect much of that is pontings making. there is a sense that the Australian team has become exclusive club. Players like Rogers and Hodge should have played more tests. They will pay for that in the next few seasons. I don't see them suffering the same way as in the eighties because mainly the oppositions aren't as strong as they were then. But Hughes, Clarke, Hilfenhaus, Hauritz, Siddle and North should be the nucleus of the side. haddin is a poor keeper but good bat. Johnson doesn't look much better than a good club cricketer at times. He needs to go back and get sorted. This summer's team should be Rogers, Hughes, Ponting, Clarke, Katich, North, Haddin/Paine, Watson/Johnson, Hauritz, Siddle and Hilfenhaus. Clark is viable on the right pitch. S. Marsh is a possible. Its too late for Hodge now.

  • Ozmonty on August 24, 2009, 6:20 GMT

    Would be good to see Ponting go back for a series win one more time... So long as he is NOT captain. There are many times where he missed a trick in this series. All went pear-shaped when he kept flogging a dead horse (johnson) in the first test. That was the game in which we lost the series. Good riddance to our worst ever captain (can stay as a world class bat though).

  • MrJames on August 24, 2009, 6:18 GMT

    How are the aussies whinging? With their records, they have the rights to mourn

  • NeilCameron on August 24, 2009, 6:16 GMT

    One final thing - this Aussie doffs his cap at England, who were clearly the better side (averages notwithstanding) and performed well when needed. Australia was beaten fair and square. Any English cricket supporter should be proud of their boys.

  • ledgends on August 24, 2009, 6:15 GMT

    Ponting is a great leader. I rate him as a better skipper than Steve waugh, as Waugh seemed to run out of ideas even with the attack he had. How many players apart from Jayasuriya play until they're 38? If he does he deserves to go down as our greatest cricketer since Bradman. Even past Warne. For the record he didn't say England wouldn't win, he said it would be hard for them to fight back. That's the way Aussies think. The English seem to think any comment out of the ordinary is arrogance. Like with Pieterson who is a lot better captain that Strauss. Good bloke is Andy Strauss but tactically he was beaten by Ponting.

  • NeilCameron on August 24, 2009, 6:13 GMT

    Secondly, Australia have been suffering from a dearth of spin bowling talent. Remember when Warne first arrived on the scene and everyone was predicting youngsters aplenty bowling leg breaks in the back yard who then turn into potential players of the future? Well, where are these players? None of them have magically materialised and the standard of spin bowling in Australia now is even lower than it was when Bob Holland and Murray Bennett were playing in the mid 1980s. Even Tim May was a more effective bowler than the likes of Hauritz, Casson, McGain, Bailey, Cullen and others who have been left behind. Australia were mighty lucky to have MacGill as an effective Test leg spinner alongside the phenomenon that was Warne, as he was able to take up the slack when Warne was sidelined. So where are all the spinners? What is Cricket Australia doing to promote and develop spin bowling in Australia? Where are the spin bowlers taking wickets in Sheffield Shield matches?

  • NeilCameron on August 24, 2009, 6:06 GMT

    I'm an Aussie and I pretty much predicted an Ashes loss long before the series began. It seems Australia are suffering from two separate but related problems. The first is that selection has been haphazard and inconsistent. Hughes should never have been dropped and McDonald should've had some input. Despite the hindsight of omitting Hauritz I think his form would've faded. Picking sides shouldn't require a PhD or be based upon perceived problems (eg Hughes' vulnerability to the bouncer) but should be based upon form alone (runs and wickets). Why o why did the Aussies not play any tour matches? In the past, an Ashes tour would start in May with lots of matches against counties - plenty of time for tourists to acclimatise to English conditions. For whatever reason, this time around the mere thought of playing a first class tour match seems to promote angst and hand wringing and "Oh we don't want our players to get hurt!" Which is a load of rubbish.

  • abhinav_invincible on August 24, 2009, 5:59 GMT

    congrats england!! withhis stats ponting is really the greatest captain...the aussies lost the 2005 ashes with a team that had given punter a lot of accolades with the likes of warne,mcgrath,langer,hayden,gilly,martyn... they were all experienced ashes campaigners...in the current squad its only punter,pup n katich in the main squad along with lee.. talking abt lee who would hav thought that aussie's most experienced bowler would spend the entire series with an injury only to find fitness for the odis n t20s..now i think he is fit for that stuff..the only flaw is that hauritz should hav played instead of clark..anyway the aussie selectors, atleast think +vely n don sack ponting ...ur team is now short on xperience n he is much needed..the pup(clarke) given the captaincy...as the name suggests he is still a pup ...he needs some more time...so don hurry him...punter has a clean 5-0 whitewash in an ashes series along with warwick armsstrong...

  • guru_floyd on August 24, 2009, 5:34 GMT

    No one whinges and whines more than the Aussies. In fact the team that whinged and whined during the sydney test did so becoz the game was not played in the right spirit. Whats happening to Australia is the law of averages is catching up with them..see the once great windies. they are a pile of dust now. In fact a team should accept to live both in the good and bad times rather than making excuses for the defeat. Accept the defeat gracefully and move on..England were the better team and they fully deserve the Ashes.

  • cskp on August 24, 2009, 5:16 GMT

    LOL! go on you all, analyse it break it down and discuss it! at the end of the day, AUS lost! ENG. Won! and we SL went up the ranking to No.2 LOL. Watch out SA.... here we come. P.S - AUS. no longer the "Team to Beat". well done ENG.!

  • hashbarsa on August 24, 2009, 5:07 GMT

    I feel sorry for Ponting. Some of his main charges just did not come to the party. I really looked forward to a good showing from Mitchell Johnson. It never happened. Furthermore I just cannot believe that Australia allowed Strauss to contribute so significantly to the series. As a cricketer he has so many limitations. These would have been ruthlessly exposed by McGrath (as opening bowler) and Steve Waugh (Captain). The 'Three Lions' are now coming to South Africa. They better bring a 'Mitchell Johnson' with. I'm sure that Stuart Broad will not have fond memories of SA as he was clouted for 6 sixes on SA soil.

  • kkaimal on August 24, 2009, 4:49 GMT

    Its been a great Ashes series with both teams contesting well for the honors. Ricky Ponting is definitely a great captain and has used his resources well. Most of the games were close finishes. England has played exceptionally well to wrest the initiative at the right moments and clinch the series. . Aussies are a young side now with the exit of greats such as Langer, McGrath, Warne etc... but they will come up with sufficient experience and spirit. Its become a habit to criticize Ponting and his ways, but I do not subscribe to any of those views. What I hope is that the game and the skills which many great teams have showcased be the heart of any after match discussions or player profiles rather than personal attacks.

  • I.Beecken on August 24, 2009, 4:40 GMT

    Anyone who honestly thought we could win the ashes was living on another planet, I give credit to our boys for the fight they gave, they did well for such an inexperienced team (a few exceptions of course). 4th in the rankings is pretty close to where we should be about now but give it time ther are some exciting players there... Heed my words it WILL be a different story on the next tour of good ol England.. Tough luck guys

  • sanjaybett on August 24, 2009, 4:07 GMT

    Is it time now to turn the tables around and commemorate Ashes as the death (or at least the coma) of Aussie cricket (instead of the death of English cricket that it was originally commemorated for)?

  • dsig3 on August 24, 2009, 3:51 GMT

    Timidity 1983worlcup? Yeah maybe Warne, McGrath, Gilchrist, Langer, Hayden had something to do with that. Just a guess. Maybe when Dravid, Tendulkar, Sehwag and Khan retire you will understand.The rankings are correct in my book. England played the big moments better than us. I still dont think their squad is anywhere near as good as India and SA.Ponting did all he could and captained the series well in my opinion. This squad will improve but they are just very inconsistant at the moment. Strauss better bring his earmuffs to Australia in 2 years.

  • dhirajkumar on August 24, 2009, 3:48 GMT

    Punter had never been a great captain.he was lucky to have many greats in his time. Aussies downfall from 1 to 4 was imminent.No Doubt they will go further down to 5-6.

    Even Pakistan and Bangladesh will begin to defeat.

    Its time Punter should resign and Clarke should be given the command.

  • AvmanM on August 24, 2009, 3:46 GMT

    I can't believe Ponting can be so cock-sure of his place in Australian cricket to say with certainty that he will be back some 4 years later. Having lost the Ashes twice, his future as a captain should be called into question. How complacent do you have to be to confidently predict that you will remain in a team that lost two consecutive Ashes in England so you get a third shot? He should be stripped of the captaincy for such comments alone. No one cricketer is bigger than the team; its time for the Aussies to move on.

  • chandau on August 24, 2009, 3:30 GMT

    Ifs and Buts were tinkers...... who knows what would have happened if he pitch was better, or had punter won the toss, or freddie and then strauss missed the stumps.... had lee and nathan played, had umpires been more vigilant.... Oh the list goes on. The best thing is poms learnt from their mistakes in test4, the bowlers stuck to a fuller length and the batters played a little straight.

  • Benkl on August 24, 2009, 3:23 GMT

    LOL you should have seen how timid Warne , McGrath and Hayden were when they started.

    Anyway despite the loss i think the Australian team were the stronger. Our batting is getting stronger and Hughes and Jaques in the wings , Our bowling is stronger the spin problem is fixed with Nathan and the part timers and there are 5 good pace guys ( 6 if you count Watson) which can be developed /rotated. There is experience there as well someone like Lee shouldnt be on the bench.

  • Dax75 on August 24, 2009, 3:16 GMT

    1983 world cup, maybe it's because as soon as the Australians start playing it hard and dirty, the rest of the world cries that they are arrogant, playing not in the spirit of the game and all that sort of crap. The team has been beaten to death in the Media as far as these issues go, where it seems other teams can sledge and give as much garbage as they want to. And fior the record, I don't follow Australia, so I'm not being biased. Ever since that test in Sydney against the biggest whingers and whiners in the game, they have been too scared to open their mouths or play hard. You are right, they are too timid.

  • batmannrobin on August 24, 2009, 2:54 GMT

    After Leeds Punter claimed there was no chance for England to come back and Strauss and Co have hurt him very very hard where it needs to be. And even after winning , Strauss was modest enough to admit they were very poor when they were bad and just good enough when they were good compared to the rash talk of Punter after Leeds. As rightly adjudged , he was d man of the series for his astute leadership n batting. For all the revenge talk of Punter n co, the reality he is the only Oz captain to lose 2 Ashes series in England for more than 100 years and this one against a English side wiithout their best batsman n an inexperienced middle order.Probably a little more respect for opponents after Leeds would have helped - the mastermind decision to leave out Haurtiz on a turning track was another factor. And calling him the best batsman of his era 'beyond any doubt' is as immature as Punter's writing off England's chances after Leeds. Stats and gr8s of past n present say otherwise.

  • abinanthan on August 24, 2009, 2:54 GMT

    Finally an equilibrium is attained at top most level of Test playing nations. On their day, SA, India, Eng, Aus and SL caan beat other four and this will make every test series played among themselves interesting. This is certainly good for Test cricket.

  • Duvindu on August 24, 2009, 2:48 GMT

    I'm a gud fan f aussie cricket team. So wat i feel z dat aussies hv a team cmng frm underneath gainin experience. They've gt a young team emergin. 13 years f wrld dominance f nt cmpltly might hv been damaged at this loss. But as ponting said they'll b determined 2 cum outta this as they did back n '07 whitewashn english aftr '05 defeat. So as fans we can only wait.

  • Mayurdeepz on August 24, 2009, 2:45 GMT

    In all fairness it does not really matter whether he is still around or not. What matters is what do the young guys or the rest of the team make of this series defeat. Going by past records, England should be humbled in the next Ashes. But until that happens, let us wait and watch what Cricket Australia decides to do as far as selection is concerned. I would like to think this team is really good. Just that as always the winning side (English this time) was better in patches, especially the ones that eventually mattered the most.

  • AKhanna on August 24, 2009, 2:37 GMT

    Ponting deserves his place as one of the best batsman in the world today. But as a captain, he will go down as just another ordinary one. Rarely does he make inspirational decisions on the field, like for instance Mark Taylor used to do so or India's Dhoni does now. I suspect he has very strong likes and dislikes towards his team mates, which prevents him from doing so. He can be quite stuborn in his beliefs. The Ashes series 2005 and 2009 would have ended differntly if Shane Warne was available as a captain.

  • mrmonty on August 24, 2009, 2:10 GMT

    Brings a smile at thought that true sportsmen like Warne and Waugh retired with their heads high and Ponting will fade with defeats from all possible corners India, England, may be soon Sri Lanka.

  • Sorcerer on August 24, 2009, 0:13 GMT

    The game of cricket is all the more richer as a truly exceptional batsman like Ponting is motivated to stay on and grace the game for at least four more years. His pre-eminence as the leading batsman of his era beyond any doubt now given his overall Test record, he is now destined to own the highest runs aggregate and Test tons record too eventually. Aussies would dearly love him to stay on for that time at least as the young players can gain insight of the game and nuances from the only surviving player of one of the most formidable units ever assembled in the history of cricket. Judging by his supreme fitness levels, Ponting could be playing the game even six years from now.

  • 1983worldcup on August 23, 2009, 22:50 GMT

    To my mind, there is a timidity to this Aussie side which wasn't present during the glory days. May be it's time to accept Aussies are indeed no. 4 in test cricket.

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  • 1983worldcup on August 23, 2009, 22:50 GMT

    To my mind, there is a timidity to this Aussie side which wasn't present during the glory days. May be it's time to accept Aussies are indeed no. 4 in test cricket.

  • Sorcerer on August 24, 2009, 0:13 GMT

    The game of cricket is all the more richer as a truly exceptional batsman like Ponting is motivated to stay on and grace the game for at least four more years. His pre-eminence as the leading batsman of his era beyond any doubt now given his overall Test record, he is now destined to own the highest runs aggregate and Test tons record too eventually. Aussies would dearly love him to stay on for that time at least as the young players can gain insight of the game and nuances from the only surviving player of one of the most formidable units ever assembled in the history of cricket. Judging by his supreme fitness levels, Ponting could be playing the game even six years from now.

  • mrmonty on August 24, 2009, 2:10 GMT

    Brings a smile at thought that true sportsmen like Warne and Waugh retired with their heads high and Ponting will fade with defeats from all possible corners India, England, may be soon Sri Lanka.

  • AKhanna on August 24, 2009, 2:37 GMT

    Ponting deserves his place as one of the best batsman in the world today. But as a captain, he will go down as just another ordinary one. Rarely does he make inspirational decisions on the field, like for instance Mark Taylor used to do so or India's Dhoni does now. I suspect he has very strong likes and dislikes towards his team mates, which prevents him from doing so. He can be quite stuborn in his beliefs. The Ashes series 2005 and 2009 would have ended differntly if Shane Warne was available as a captain.

  • Mayurdeepz on August 24, 2009, 2:45 GMT

    In all fairness it does not really matter whether he is still around or not. What matters is what do the young guys or the rest of the team make of this series defeat. Going by past records, England should be humbled in the next Ashes. But until that happens, let us wait and watch what Cricket Australia decides to do as far as selection is concerned. I would like to think this team is really good. Just that as always the winning side (English this time) was better in patches, especially the ones that eventually mattered the most.

  • Duvindu on August 24, 2009, 2:48 GMT

    I'm a gud fan f aussie cricket team. So wat i feel z dat aussies hv a team cmng frm underneath gainin experience. They've gt a young team emergin. 13 years f wrld dominance f nt cmpltly might hv been damaged at this loss. But as ponting said they'll b determined 2 cum outta this as they did back n '07 whitewashn english aftr '05 defeat. So as fans we can only wait.

  • abinanthan on August 24, 2009, 2:54 GMT

    Finally an equilibrium is attained at top most level of Test playing nations. On their day, SA, India, Eng, Aus and SL caan beat other four and this will make every test series played among themselves interesting. This is certainly good for Test cricket.

  • batmannrobin on August 24, 2009, 2:54 GMT

    After Leeds Punter claimed there was no chance for England to come back and Strauss and Co have hurt him very very hard where it needs to be. And even after winning , Strauss was modest enough to admit they were very poor when they were bad and just good enough when they were good compared to the rash talk of Punter after Leeds. As rightly adjudged , he was d man of the series for his astute leadership n batting. For all the revenge talk of Punter n co, the reality he is the only Oz captain to lose 2 Ashes series in England for more than 100 years and this one against a English side wiithout their best batsman n an inexperienced middle order.Probably a little more respect for opponents after Leeds would have helped - the mastermind decision to leave out Haurtiz on a turning track was another factor. And calling him the best batsman of his era 'beyond any doubt' is as immature as Punter's writing off England's chances after Leeds. Stats and gr8s of past n present say otherwise.

  • Dax75 on August 24, 2009, 3:16 GMT

    1983 world cup, maybe it's because as soon as the Australians start playing it hard and dirty, the rest of the world cries that they are arrogant, playing not in the spirit of the game and all that sort of crap. The team has been beaten to death in the Media as far as these issues go, where it seems other teams can sledge and give as much garbage as they want to. And fior the record, I don't follow Australia, so I'm not being biased. Ever since that test in Sydney against the biggest whingers and whiners in the game, they have been too scared to open their mouths or play hard. You are right, they are too timid.

  • Benkl on August 24, 2009, 3:23 GMT

    LOL you should have seen how timid Warne , McGrath and Hayden were when they started.

    Anyway despite the loss i think the Australian team were the stronger. Our batting is getting stronger and Hughes and Jaques in the wings , Our bowling is stronger the spin problem is fixed with Nathan and the part timers and there are 5 good pace guys ( 6 if you count Watson) which can be developed /rotated. There is experience there as well someone like Lee shouldnt be on the bench.