Pakistan v West Indies, Champions Trophy, Group B, The Oval June 8, 2013

Ramdin charged for claiming Misbah catch

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West Indies wicketkeeper Denesh Ramdin has been charged with breaching the ICC Code of Conduct for claiming a catch off Misbah-ul-Haq during the Champions Trophy match against Pakistan at The Oval. Ramdin has pleaded not guilty and will attend a hearing on Monday.

Ramdin was charged with breaching article 2.2.11 of the ICC Code of Conduct for Players and Player Support Personnel, which relates to "conduct that is contrary to the spirit of the game". The range of penalties for all first Level 2 breaches are fines of between 50-100% of a player's match fees and/or suspension for up to two ODIs.

The incident took place in the ninth over of the Pakistan innings, when Misbah bottom-edged a Kemar Roach delivery to Ramdin. The wicketkeeper initially appeared to have caught the ball but lost control of it as he fell forward, and it slipped out of his gloves on to the grass. Instead of bringing his mistake to the notice of the umpires or his team-mates, Ramdin returned the ball to the square-leg umpire and joined his team-mates in the celebratory huddle.

Square-leg umpire Nigel Llong, however, alerted the third umpire and the replay revealed the chance had been dropped. Misbah, who was on 0, was called back and went on to hit an unbeaten 96.

Misbah later said Ramdin's actions were not in the spirit of the game. "What can I say about that?" he said when asked about the catch. "I think he should have told them what happened, but I don't know what he was thinking at that time. I would not be very happy if my wicketkeeper did that.

"If we don't know anything, then it's fine, but if you know clearly that it's not a catch, you should not claim that because it's not in the spirit of the game."

West Indies captain Dwayne Bravo, however, defended Ramdin, saying the wicketkeeper did not act deliberately. "Unfortunately, he did not catch it," Bravo said. "He's a very honest player, and as I said, history shows if you check the records that we don't have any stigma or negatives around us as a team. We have been true in our cricket careers and history has shown that we play the game in true spirit of the way it should be played. I don't think we did something like this deliberately."

In June 2012, Ramdin was fined 20% of his match fee for a protest directed at Viv Richards during the third Test against England at Edgbaston. Ramdin was charged with conduct contrary to the spirit of the game and pleaded guilty to the offence.

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  • Doublejay on June 12, 2013, 14:34 GMT

    Two things here: 1. Does anyopne know how long you need to hold on to a ball before it is deemed a catch? 2. The so "called spirit of the game". Is there clear guidelines or is it open to interpretation? For example what consitutes to not being in "the spirit of the Game"? Sledging, Balll tampering, kicking the ball at other players, Falling to walk knowing full well you edged the ball.

  • pinn on June 10, 2013, 9:39 GMT

    Felt Ramdin lost control of the ball when starting to appeal. He indeed caught the ball and had it when falling down. Just a moment before getting up he lost the same. It is my observation during the live match.

    And one need to remember the mindset of players during that moment. Pak was reeling at 17/3 and the ball before this incident, Misbah plumb in front, LBW not given. On review, it was clearly showing ball is going to clip the bails completely in the middle stump. But the rule says majority of the ball needs to be below the bails, hence not given ( not sure who designed these rules and that too the decision changes if the on field umpire had given it out ). It is very tough for anyone to give their doubtful chance in favor of other.

  • symsun on June 10, 2013, 8:04 GMT

    1) If Ramdin is punishable then all those batsman standing ground after edging should be punishable. Its not fair that batsman after edging the ball to keeper / slips and standing ground and telling later as its the umpires responsibility to make the calls. 2) If not Ramdin, I am not sure the umpires or the ICC would have charged against the wicket keeper, if it is Gilchrist / AB Devillers / McCullum / Dhoni / Sangakara.

  • on June 10, 2013, 3:57 GMT

    well well cricket is cricket what ramdin did was wrong, but if you see the video again we will find that he never appealed and his face expressions were not supporting his standings on that time but teams excitement didn't let ramdin speaks true , anyway thanks to the umpire & Pakistan survived and gain some respect, otherwise it would have been 60 for all ):

  • Chris_P on June 10, 2013, 3:27 GMT

    @Osman Khan Always played in the spirit have they? I guess Carl Hooper running out Dean Jones after he walked when bowled off a no ball was certainly within the spirit of the game wasn't it? Selective memory is a great thing to have, isn't it? With so many cameras, what was Ramdin thinking? Or was he

  • mngc1 on June 10, 2013, 2:47 GMT

    When is a catch completed? When Ramdin hit the ground, the gloves remained together for a short while with the ball in it. It is clearly seen in the side picture. If he stayed still or raised the gloves there would be no incident. The gloves separated as he began movement to get up. One could argue that he had control, the catch was taken and the ball dead when he was getting up with the umpire giving the out verdict.

  • on June 9, 2013, 22:53 GMT

    Acording to certain bloggers " a batsman not walking is in the spirit of the game" " oh what a tangle web we weave when first we practice to deceive" a batsman not walking is 100 times worse than what was allegedly done by ramdin especially if he is given not out, let's not forget misbah was not given out. numerous, unnecessary appeals by pakistani and other players is probably worse than what ramdin is supposed to have done. cricketers have claimed catches before and nothing was done. why is ramdin being persecuted?

  • SDCLFC on June 9, 2013, 21:42 GMT

    @Osman Khan, I love West Indies cricket but to refute the claim that they have always played in the spirit of the game I only need to point to Colin Croft deliberately barging umpire Fred Goodall in his run-up to the wicket. All cricketing nations have had their moments of being less than glorious when it comes to the spirit of the game. This incident reminds me of Australian wicket-keeper Greg Dyer claiming a catch in 1988 from Andrew Jones - he dived full to his left, grabbing with his left, rolled with his back to the wicket and came-up with the ball in his right hand. Replays showed that while his back was to the wicket the ball had been dropped, bounced three times before he scooped it off the ground and came-up asking Howzat? Dyer the liar we called them. I reckon if we were to tally them all up Aussie would come up looking pretty red-faced.

  • Cyril_Knight on June 9, 2013, 19:28 GMT

    What would have happened if there was no TV to support the umpire? Would Ramdin has insisted against the view of the umpire that he caught it? Would the captain have supported him? Would there then have been an argument? Finger pointing and aggressive body language?

    This is why this incident is so different to a batsmen not walking. The umpire made a decision, it was not accepted by Ramdin or the captain (who had no reason to believe the catch had been dropped). Therefore Ramdin acted against the spirit of the game by continuing with the appeal after Llong has said it was not out. The umpire's authority was challenged here.

  • on June 9, 2013, 17:53 GMT

    I have been following cricket for a very very long time. Windies have always played the game in the best spirits, we cannot say the same for some other teams. clearly this was an impromptu and emotional decision that Ramdin made. I doubt that Ramdin intended to cheat. With the naked eye at first it appears that the catch was cleanly taken but with the TV replays it is evident that the catch was not clean. This is unfortunate for the Windies as one error can blot your otherwise clean copy book. Hope the lessons have been learned. We should simply move on. It unfortunate that Bravo did not reserve his comments.

  • Doublejay on June 12, 2013, 14:34 GMT

    Two things here: 1. Does anyopne know how long you need to hold on to a ball before it is deemed a catch? 2. The so "called spirit of the game". Is there clear guidelines or is it open to interpretation? For example what consitutes to not being in "the spirit of the Game"? Sledging, Balll tampering, kicking the ball at other players, Falling to walk knowing full well you edged the ball.

  • pinn on June 10, 2013, 9:39 GMT

    Felt Ramdin lost control of the ball when starting to appeal. He indeed caught the ball and had it when falling down. Just a moment before getting up he lost the same. It is my observation during the live match.

    And one need to remember the mindset of players during that moment. Pak was reeling at 17/3 and the ball before this incident, Misbah plumb in front, LBW not given. On review, it was clearly showing ball is going to clip the bails completely in the middle stump. But the rule says majority of the ball needs to be below the bails, hence not given ( not sure who designed these rules and that too the decision changes if the on field umpire had given it out ). It is very tough for anyone to give their doubtful chance in favor of other.

  • symsun on June 10, 2013, 8:04 GMT

    1) If Ramdin is punishable then all those batsman standing ground after edging should be punishable. Its not fair that batsman after edging the ball to keeper / slips and standing ground and telling later as its the umpires responsibility to make the calls. 2) If not Ramdin, I am not sure the umpires or the ICC would have charged against the wicket keeper, if it is Gilchrist / AB Devillers / McCullum / Dhoni / Sangakara.

  • on June 10, 2013, 3:57 GMT

    well well cricket is cricket what ramdin did was wrong, but if you see the video again we will find that he never appealed and his face expressions were not supporting his standings on that time but teams excitement didn't let ramdin speaks true , anyway thanks to the umpire & Pakistan survived and gain some respect, otherwise it would have been 60 for all ):

  • Chris_P on June 10, 2013, 3:27 GMT

    @Osman Khan Always played in the spirit have they? I guess Carl Hooper running out Dean Jones after he walked when bowled off a no ball was certainly within the spirit of the game wasn't it? Selective memory is a great thing to have, isn't it? With so many cameras, what was Ramdin thinking? Or was he

  • mngc1 on June 10, 2013, 2:47 GMT

    When is a catch completed? When Ramdin hit the ground, the gloves remained together for a short while with the ball in it. It is clearly seen in the side picture. If he stayed still or raised the gloves there would be no incident. The gloves separated as he began movement to get up. One could argue that he had control, the catch was taken and the ball dead when he was getting up with the umpire giving the out verdict.

  • on June 9, 2013, 22:53 GMT

    Acording to certain bloggers " a batsman not walking is in the spirit of the game" " oh what a tangle web we weave when first we practice to deceive" a batsman not walking is 100 times worse than what was allegedly done by ramdin especially if he is given not out, let's not forget misbah was not given out. numerous, unnecessary appeals by pakistani and other players is probably worse than what ramdin is supposed to have done. cricketers have claimed catches before and nothing was done. why is ramdin being persecuted?

  • SDCLFC on June 9, 2013, 21:42 GMT

    @Osman Khan, I love West Indies cricket but to refute the claim that they have always played in the spirit of the game I only need to point to Colin Croft deliberately barging umpire Fred Goodall in his run-up to the wicket. All cricketing nations have had their moments of being less than glorious when it comes to the spirit of the game. This incident reminds me of Australian wicket-keeper Greg Dyer claiming a catch in 1988 from Andrew Jones - he dived full to his left, grabbing with his left, rolled with his back to the wicket and came-up with the ball in his right hand. Replays showed that while his back was to the wicket the ball had been dropped, bounced three times before he scooped it off the ground and came-up asking Howzat? Dyer the liar we called them. I reckon if we were to tally them all up Aussie would come up looking pretty red-faced.

  • Cyril_Knight on June 9, 2013, 19:28 GMT

    What would have happened if there was no TV to support the umpire? Would Ramdin has insisted against the view of the umpire that he caught it? Would the captain have supported him? Would there then have been an argument? Finger pointing and aggressive body language?

    This is why this incident is so different to a batsmen not walking. The umpire made a decision, it was not accepted by Ramdin or the captain (who had no reason to believe the catch had been dropped). Therefore Ramdin acted against the spirit of the game by continuing with the appeal after Llong has said it was not out. The umpire's authority was challenged here.

  • on June 9, 2013, 17:53 GMT

    I have been following cricket for a very very long time. Windies have always played the game in the best spirits, we cannot say the same for some other teams. clearly this was an impromptu and emotional decision that Ramdin made. I doubt that Ramdin intended to cheat. With the naked eye at first it appears that the catch was cleanly taken but with the TV replays it is evident that the catch was not clean. This is unfortunate for the Windies as one error can blot your otherwise clean copy book. Hope the lessons have been learned. We should simply move on. It unfortunate that Bravo did not reserve his comments.

  • bash_pwd on June 9, 2013, 17:07 GMT

    Outrageous Decision!! Charged for what?? I don't see how this is any different from a batsman nicking the ball and not walking. IF THEY CAN GET OFF WITH IT, why not others!!!

  • on June 9, 2013, 16:51 GMT

    I stand by my Skipper. Ramdin is a credible player and would do not have made that appeal to try and cheat or out smart the Upms. Even the commentators of the game agreed, it was a split second poor decision because Ramdin knew he initially had the ball in his gloves and felt he held on to it long enough. It is in human error, especially with tensions running high and I genuinely feel it was an honest mistake by Ramdin. As when he initially wrote that "love note" for Viv, in his hearing following it, he owned up to his wrong doing and admitted guilty. I also understand's ICC's reasoning for wanting to discipline him though, as the issue of match fixing is escalating in the cricket world. We are West Indians, and hate to be wrongfully accused; but if I was Ramdin&Bravo I'd simply take responsibility and pay the fine, to avoid Ramdin being banned for the group stages.

  • on June 9, 2013, 13:37 GMT

    How can Ramdin who is wicket keeper and vice captain make such a boo boo? But the biggest boo boo is that he pleaded not guilty when every blind man saw the ball on the ground. This should be a lesson for the selectors and the board to start selecting two wicket keeper when going on tours like we used to do in the past. If Ramdin gets a suspension we will have to turn to Johnson Charles to fill in as keeper. And captain Bravo did make matters worst by defending Ramdin. Roach said it best. "This is a matter for the professionals."

  • on June 9, 2013, 13:31 GMT

    I've got no sympathy for Ramdin at all. What he did reminded me of Steve Waugh's "catch" at point off Brian Lara in the 1995 test series. He basically picked it up off the floor and claimed it as a catch. The difference is that now the cameras pick up everything and with a Third Umpire included, any mis-givings get exposed.

    To be honest i lost alot of respect for Ramdin during his petulant response to Viv Richards, when his batting was criticised and he answered with a century and that note during the tour of England in 2012. And now this stunt hasn't helped his cause at all. How he can plead not guilty is beyond me, the camera doesn't lie does it?

    The sad thing about it all is that he has got the ability and potential to be a good Wicket-Keeper, lower-order batsman and future Captain, but his attitude and discipline will have to improve. I hope he learns from this and moves on.

  • swarzi on June 9, 2013, 12:06 GMT

    Up to now I'm still waiting for ICC to charge Michael Atherton for breaching article 2.2.11 ("conduct that is contrary to the spirit of the game"), when that delivery from Allan 'White Lightning' Donald almost broke the bones of the fingers in his gloves, and he still stood his ground after the whole South African team kept appealing for almost five minutes, to no avail! I thought that incident almost caused a fight! Where was ICC and its bias officials then? I've seen so many Australians claiming all sorts of false catches knowingly, and also not walking from the wickets on appeals when they know they hit the ball. But the ICC officials are usually blind when it's of their elite names committing these "outside the spirit of the game" offences, but quick to pounce on the less important players! Please note: I too fully support honesty in the game - hence, batsmen who know that they hit the ball and wait on the DRS to embarass themselves should also be penalised! I believe in fairness!

  • on June 9, 2013, 10:40 GMT

    Cricket etiquette and the spirit of the game has always been riddled with inconsistency and hypocrisy. Batsmen edge the ball and wait for the umpires decision - that's OK. A mankad runout is considered poor sportsmanship even though it's the batsman gaining an illegal advantage and one which may well allow him to avoid being run out at the other end. Fieldsmen and bowlers regularly appeal when they know batsmen aren't out and apparently that's within the unwritten code. I could go on.

  • dmqi on June 9, 2013, 10:09 GMT

    What happens to WI captain now who is supporting his wicket keeper knowing the fact that his Wicket keeper made a mistake. Should he be charged too?Fair question and ICC needs to update the rules. I hope Ramdin will be fined extra bucks but not suspended for any game as this competition is in the stage when every game is equally important.I do not want to see other teams get any benefit for Ramdin's absence.

  • Cricketinameblood on June 9, 2013, 8:59 GMT

    My fellow cricket fans; player reactions are split second decisions made with all competitive juices pumping. Ramdin's appeal was obviously an instantaneous reaction. I see players from many teams appealing with reckless abandon in situations that are clearly more obvious than Ramdin's appeal for a catch. There have been literally thousands of cases where players appeal and the wrong decision is adjudged and the game goes on and whichever team gets the short end of the stick, they just have to live with it and the game goes on. At this point in history, with the availability of advanced technology, lets use this technology for any decision that is unclear and take player and even umpire misjudgment out of the game. Fans are undeniably partial and will always side with their team and call for severe punishment, when it is against the opposing team. We have the technology, let use it and not having to rely on individual honesty. Some of us are honest when it is convenient to do so.

  • Rahul_78 on June 9, 2013, 8:32 GMT

    Well, with his infamous century celebration in the past Ramdin has already proved he is not the brightest light in WI dressing room. Today's incident was just the confirmation of that.

  • adeelicap on June 9, 2013, 8:20 GMT

    Rashid latif vs ramdin, nothing will happen biased cricket, pretty sure, if this thing would done by some asian player, whole world might against them

  • noitsnothim_itsme on June 9, 2013, 8:01 GMT

    Ramdin - you are eligible to play for Australia instead of Ricky Ponting!

  • tumuvij on June 9, 2013, 7:42 GMT

    You Ramdin..shoud have not done that. !! Westindies is known for their pure cricket. Cricket may lose its features like spirit..beauty..anxiety if these happen. Gentlemen game should be fair and handsome.

  • on June 9, 2013, 6:52 GMT

    Rashid Latif was banned for 5 ODIs for a similar act against Bangladesh in 2003. Check the following cricinfo link from Wisden - the second last paragrah. http://www.espncricinfo.com/wisdenalmanack/content/story/215587.html

  • on June 9, 2013, 6:45 GMT

    @Maverick Pete, don't underestimate kamran Akmal, he is a much better wicket-keeper now :)

  • on June 9, 2013, 6:34 GMT

    Do u ever remember Aussie Captain when he did touch the ball with bat and still claiming he was not out and stood firm on the pitch , or he was claiming the catch in the slips which was actually dropped.No punishment

  • Indian_Fan09 on June 9, 2013, 5:49 GMT

    These West Indians are taking cricket way over the limit!! Whether it be the over the top celebrations like one just saved the future of Earth or those ugly sending offs or a claimed "catch." There is a fine line between spirit and stupidity!!

  • on June 9, 2013, 5:35 GMT

    I don't know what's going on with the present day cricket. The case of fixing is still hanging on these days and then the case of conflicts on sportsman spirit. Why these days cricketers forget the courtesy of game and the respect given to it by greats like Adam Gilchrist, Sachin Tendulkar and many more. In the match against PAK, the ball is not carried, is well known to Ramdin still he goes for the appeal. Its utter non-sense. If you know that you are wrong why not to admit it? Every one remembers that semifinal of world cup when Umpire were not convinced by the appeal and still Adam moves to the stands, because he knew that he was out. I know Team spirit and sportsman spirit conflicts but at least you should maintain the courtesy of the game.. Cricket is a Gentleman game and let it be the same man.....

  • on June 9, 2013, 5:15 GMT

    for those who are comparing this to a batsmen who doesn't walk after edging the ball, there is a difference. batsmen are often given out when they are in fact not out and they can't do anything about it. so many batsmen think they are balancing that out when they refuse to walk. if it sounds stupid then it is but its psychology and its there all over the world. but there's no excuse for a wicket keeper to do this.

  • Seaking_alpha on June 9, 2013, 5:10 GMT

    I think Ramdin should be charged with stupidity thinking something like this would not be noticed...

  • Chris_P on June 9, 2013, 4:08 GMT

    I think Ramdin should be charged for stupidity thinking the dozens of cameras around the ground would have missed what he did. Unbelievable.

  • on June 9, 2013, 3:32 GMT

    There is no person free from guilt. If a player is not out by virtue of lbw but is given out with all reviews used up who will be charged, is it still right. Let the cricketers get on with it. there is no line to be crossed. Even the greatest have erred.

  • Anwaruzz on June 9, 2013, 2:55 GMT

    I recall Rased Latif the PAK WK was banned 5 games for claiming one such dropped catch against lowly BAN. This is clear dishonesty and needs to be dealt with harshly. Cricketers needs to understand that all matches are recorded from so many angles so it is next to impossible to get away with such action.

  • Drunkenmunk on June 9, 2013, 2:52 GMT

    So if we begin fining fielders for claiming catches not taken, batsmen not walking after nicking also ought to be charged. Oh well.

  • on June 9, 2013, 2:50 GMT

    this is why Kamran Akmal drops all catches, just to avoid confusions like these lol

  • on June 9, 2013, 2:29 GMT

    I don't see why he should be charged at all. Sure he is setting a bad example. He can just give a press conference and say he made a mistake. In front of a tribunal facing a ban , he is forced to defend himself for his sake and the team's sake.

    If we want to take the moral high ground here, lets apply it to batsmen who stand at the crease after clearing nicking the ball! Game is highly in favor of batting sides

  • needaz123 on June 9, 2013, 2:13 GMT

    what i feel is it was wrong from the part of ramdin but getting a ban is a bit too much as even if a batsman is out caught behind he doesn't walk.. shouldn't the spirit of the game come at that time.. and if a batsman doesn't walk do we ban him?? for every thing he has done is wrong and whatever the consequence is it should be same for everyone... not only to fielders n wicket-keepers..

  • CricketFan365 on June 9, 2013, 2:09 GMT

    'Spirit of the game' also means obeying the umpires decision. After taking a catch you must convince the umpires that you have taken the it cleanly and have control over the ball as long as you like, not just few seconds. I cannot understand why fielders claim such catch considering the number of cameras present in the field.

  • on June 9, 2013, 1:44 GMT

    definitely cnt accept this horror... it was completely defame their cricket history, as before any of their player didnt do like that i admit it WI had desent cricket history but this happen completely different bcz bravo also support his guy bt by the way if any genuine wont behave like that... im not blame any cricketer or any teams bt this type of issue's not acceptable..

  • Johnny_129 on June 9, 2013, 0:35 GMT

    I think Ramdin felt he 'completed the catch' prior to it bobbing out of his gloves?? Not defending the guy but, I feel, that will be his defense. In saying that, I don't think Ramdin will honestly believe it himself when he views the replay. Things happen in the heat of the moment - even good footballers/ boxers biting an opponent. I don't think it is planned cheating.

  • on June 9, 2013, 0:06 GMT

    Ramdin did indeed realize he dropped the catch. He was very dishonest to have claimed that he took it especially in light of the fact that he took it from the grass and under arm it to the square leg umpire. He must have thought about the possibility of the batsman requesting the replay and knew that his sins would have been exposed. I guess dishonesty knows no bound.

    Dwayne had no option than to speak generally and as the leader of the team and country. It was a lame attempt though as later he conceded the obvious.

  • wrenx on June 9, 2013, 0:01 GMT

    @Ameshisuto "checking the records" is a risky leg to stand on for any side with Marlon Samuels in team

  • on June 8, 2013, 23:36 GMT

    As the replays go, he had some control on the catch and it went out as he touched down on the dive . Did he have control at all yes , did he lose it after having control yes . Where is the fine ? and match ban ? . The WICB needs to stand against this nonsense, because we are not a power in world cricket does not mean we should allow the governors to trample on us . One only has to remember the sanctified then ICC Ceo Lograt's comments after the WI bus was stoned in Bangladesh in 2012. As some have pointed to bowlers claiming run-outs while not the same thing the principles are not far apart. It is the umps duty to make the call and as for Misbah condemning Ramdin , he should look inward to his pass team mates and see if any West Indian thus far have committed those atrocities.

  • BnH1985Fan on June 8, 2013, 23:35 GMT

    @Ali_86xz. Love your comment! It's not game spirit, it's the spirit he has before the game!

  • geoffparker on June 8, 2013, 23:12 GMT

    Similar bad dishonesty like excessive appealing is. Morally incorrect. But many people in this modern age are lacking in morals because the cost of losing is measured in monetary values, so the thought of gaining money outweighs any bad inner feelings that may exist.

  • Neela80 on June 8, 2013, 23:03 GMT

    I just cannot understand the whole idea of claiming a catch.. I mean as a fielder (more so as a wicket keeper) you will know if the catch has been completed cleanly. It comes to you at a different pace once it hits some thing (ofcourse after the bat) than you expect it to is it not ??

    However as far as appealing for LBW is concerned, it should be done by either keeper or bowler so some times a straightish mid-on. All others (Even first slip) are in no way be in a position to judge. May be the ICC should consider "appealing laws".

  • delboy on June 8, 2013, 22:59 GMT

    I ask again! is Bopara going to face a similae charge? Did anyone watch the Aus vs game on Saturday June 8? The batsman blatantly hit the ball so hard into the ground that it carried to the bowlers end where he caught it and appealed for a catch. The umpires referred it, holding up proceeding for over 3 minutes, was that not cheating?

  • typos on June 8, 2013, 22:40 GMT

    Steve Davis gave it out because he thought he was in control of it. Llong saw it roll out. I tend to agree with Llong after the replays but with Davis in real time. Sometimes technology can create more issues than there need be. Also, people do all sorts of things under pressure, that is an understandable part of sports, think of footballers who will 'dive' to earn a penalty or fast bowlers from a certain country who will lift the seam of the ball to get reverse swing on flat pitches or tennis players who will take a stregic bathroom break. I feel Ramdin should be sanctioned as a lesson, but not as harshly as people are calling for here when others do far worse on a cricket field like match fix or overstep by a metre because a bribe had been paid.

  • Crik_Fan on June 8, 2013, 21:57 GMT

    @Faraz, Your argument is untenable. An insincere appeal is against spirit of sportsmanship. It doesn't matter it comes from a wicketkeeper or bowler or others. Which category of offence you will put an appeal for close run-outs or, from perspective of gamesmanship which is being invoked here, when a batsman does not walk-off even when seeing his catch clearly taken ?

    I am sure not even one Pakistani fan would be supporting this decision had it been Kamran Akmal doing this.

  • fireballer on June 8, 2013, 21:48 GMT

    Same deal as bowlers appealing or batters not walking. As an ex player I feel it's all part of the game. The officials have a job to do and they ought to do it. Playing county cricket in the 70's .....some bowlers would deliberately overstep by huge margins......just to hurt you........this was just called a no ball and the game continued. These days with all the spirit of the game hulubulu is so uncalled for. what spirit of the game? He caught the ball or not and celebrated but it's the umpire's job to review and make the correct call.....play on. Non of this hearing crap. Why not get rid of the umpires then and "PLAY IN THE SPIRIT OF THE GAME ONLY " !!!!!!!!!!

  • on June 8, 2013, 21:33 GMT

    Pakistan needs to look back at their own past to the test match with bangladesh where the tigers were on course for their first ever test victory. Alok Kapali was looking dangerous and Rashid Latif claimed catch which he dropped and picked teh ball from teh ground albeit he was fined later for the same. But Bangladesh was denied a well deserved victory because of that "catch"..so why should Misbah cry foul when the same medicine is applied on him (though 2 wrongs do not make a right) and no damage was done actually..yeah we need to expect honesty in the game but before that, we need to clean up our act...same goes to Australia and England too.

  • on June 8, 2013, 20:19 GMT

    Rashid Lateef, Pakistan captain at the time had a 5 match ban for the same. He lost his captaincy because of it. It will be interesting to see how the ICC handles this one.

  • GoelVipin on June 8, 2013, 20:16 GMT

    Batsman should also be charged if he doesn't tell the umpire that he touched the ball with his bat in case if the umpire gives him not out based on his judgement that there was no contact between the bat and the ball.

  • on June 8, 2013, 20:07 GMT

    here's the problem, sometimes a umpirer give a batsman out Lbw and the batsman felt like he was rob, eventhough the third umpire get involve, most of the time when a man apeal is to let the umpirer rule in his favour, in Ramdin case, it did not happen, so what is the big deal, more than twice Christ Gayle give out Lbw he think he did not out but he did not make a stink out it.

  • on June 8, 2013, 20:03 GMT

    Batsmen dont walk out and act innocent when they have nicked a catch to WC! Bowlers appeal even when they clearly know something is NOTOUT! Are n't these "conducts that are contrary to the spirit of the game"?

  • Fluffykins on June 8, 2013, 19:58 GMT

    Good clearly wasnt a clean catch do not need that sort of behaviour in the game

  • Wallruss on June 8, 2013, 19:40 GMT

    If Ramdin and Bravo for that matter think that this is acceptable behaviour, then Ramdin deserves a ban

  • on June 8, 2013, 18:42 GMT

    how ramdin was sure about the catch?? even he should have told to his mates,but he seemed enjoying a wicket,it was't about game but about how honest r u? datz the point over which ICC should fined Ramdin in mine view..

  • jmcilhinney on June 8, 2013, 18:41 GMT

    @vakkaraju on (June 8, 2013, 15:56 GMT), Trott did not claim that catch. He specifically indicated that he didn't know whether it was clean or not. It was clear on replay that it wasn't clean but the ball hit the ground out of his line of sight (under his chin if I recall correctly) so it's quite fair that he didn't know. All he would have felt was the ball between his chest and his arms and he wouldn't have known whether it landed there or bounced there. On this occasion, it has already been established that Ramdin knew that the ball had fallen out of his glove. That said, it seems to me more that he just didn't know the rule properly rather than knew that the catch wasn't clean and was trying to cheat.

  • Doublejay on June 8, 2013, 18:28 GMT

    Although I donot believe that "two wrongs make a right" and I think Ramdin always should be honest and that goes for all other cricketers too, but if we are talking about the spirit of the game, I cannot forget in the early nineties the Aussie Steve Waugh (a captain)who was caught on camera claiming a catch which clearly bounced before he caught it off Lara who was at the time 65no and looking dangerous. I did not see the ICC pulling him up about that . Also is "Sledging" inthe spirit of the game? It seems to me there are rules for some countries and the other so called lesser countries get the raw deal. Anyway how ong do you haveto hold on to a catch before it is deemed legal?

  • Sudhir65 on June 8, 2013, 18:21 GMT

    Even if he had control for one split second (which he did), he has all the right to an appeal. Remember one umpire raised his finger to give batsman out. This umpire clearly thought catch had been taken.

  • Shrescs on June 8, 2013, 18:03 GMT

    Batsmen dont walk out and act innocent when they have nicked a catch to WC! Bowlers appeal even when they clearly know something is NOTOUT! Are n't these "conducts that are contrary to the spirit of the game"?

  • Ali_86xz on June 8, 2013, 17:59 GMT

    "I would not be very happy if my wicketkeeper did that." - Misbah. How can Kamran have the spirit of the game if he keeps dropping it???

  • on June 8, 2013, 17:52 GMT

    this is ridiculous, when bowlers appeal for lbw or sometimes runouts, most of the time they know its not out.. its the umpires duty to make a call, so to is this case with randim though i see it us poor cricket on randim's part it all comes down to the same thing, he should not be held accountable for any wrong doing.... but only in our hearts where really and truly we should not forgive him

  • on June 8, 2013, 17:51 GMT

    What about those appeals from bowlers and keepers when they know it is clearly not out? Arent those against the spirit of the game?

    What about the batsmen who after even the mightiest of edges do not walk and if the umpires rule them not out, they stay on? Isnt that against the spirit of the game?

    Why single out Ramdin when we know its the duty of the umpire to give the correct decision and that was done. Ramdin's fault probably was that he should have asked the umpire for a review as he was unsure rather than celebrating with his teammates.

  • TAJY on June 8, 2013, 17:05 GMT

    Listen, i'm a West Indian fan, I've lived in the Caribbean all my life. Ramdin is in the wrong here. Its not even defendable. He spilled the catch. He knew he did, which is why he didn't celebrate immediately. He looked tentative in the replays after he got up. Body language speaks for itself. When he saw the first umpire put up the finger, he thought he would get away with it, and would've gladly watched the back of Misbah. But he got caught by that other ump, and now he's trying to defend himself. I don't care if its my team, whats wrong is wrong. Bravo just made himself look foolish with poor choice of words. You can't defend this. Just take the punishment and move on. Batsmen standing their ground after edging is different simply because sometimes there's no clear way to tell (1) if it edged or (2) if the batman KNEW he edged. Thats left solely up to the umpire. But a spilled catch is CLEAR, and the square umpire CLEARLY saw it. So take the punishment Ramdin. NUH DO IT AGAIN!

  • on June 8, 2013, 16:57 GMT

    The decision of catches are taken keeping in mind the honesty of fielders/keepers. It has always been like this, and such attempts of dishonesty are not good for cricket. Rashid Latif's career came to an end after 1 such incident (he was officially banned by ICC for 2-3 games with fine)

  • on June 8, 2013, 16:57 GMT

    With so much corruption in cricket in last few days, this is another nail in the coffin!! Game is more disreputed by Ramdin! Not his fault entirely there is too much games-mans hip these days. We need more sportsmanship., cricket deserve it.

  • Twinkie on June 8, 2013, 16:56 GMT

    Tony Cozier dealt with this issue when Ridley Jacobs was suspended for breaking the stumps before securing the ball. And this when he did not even appeal. Cozier mentioned that in that same series Tendulkar did not walk after making a thick edge. He was adjudged not out. No surprises here! This anomaly is farcical.

    Question for Mizpah - If Ramdin had called you back and you had been adjudged not out on the next ball after making a big edge would you then have walked?

  • vakkaraju on June 8, 2013, 15:56 GMT

    Equality is in the eyes of the beholder. Trott claimed a catch in India test series, which he clearly spilled. Well that must have been deemed in the spirit of the game. He did not even get an official reprimand to my knowledge.

  • on June 8, 2013, 15:51 GMT

    no ramdin.. you shouldnt have done that

  • on June 8, 2013, 15:47 GMT

    Yes Batsmen not walking after edging is against the spirit of the game, but they stand because the umpire gives them not-out.What Ramdin did was unacceptable though. I see a lot of comments about appealing for wickets here- Appealing is one thing and faking a wicket is another. If the umpires had not reviewed the decision, Ramdin might`ve gotten away with it. Did they deserve the wicket? No. A good step by ICC which I hope will be followed in future games as well.

  • on June 8, 2013, 15:45 GMT

    Few things to consider, There is a difference in ball touching the ground before getting in gloves, and picking ball from ground and celebrating. He had time to think.

    No reports tht pak made any official complains, its umpires who did , and did right.

    People criticizing misbah: he answered very accordingly and very soft. He was asked about it and hr replied with IF. He didn't said that ramdin did or not. People who are complaining this with misbah should read twitter feeds yesterday, many ex players were calling for penalties and harsh words.

    Rashid latif did it and was suspended for few games.

    Bravos comments are just childish, history has nothing to do with it. Was that in history that a below average or average batsman hit one 100 and take notes to 1 of cricket's great?

    Some compairing it with lbw appeals, all teams does appeal all the time. Most stand there when they have knicked(even yesterday 2 WI did) a!nd sometimes umpires give it wrong, difference is lack of time.

  • on June 8, 2013, 15:32 GMT

    Delboy: all teams do appeal even ball is high or low. Plus rest of your comment is really a funny one. Why score recorded as zero? You suggesting that if any chance given it should be declared out caught or not cought. There are no reports misbah or pak officialy complaint for it. Its match refree and umpires who did that. What misbah said was right. He was asked and he said IF you know its dropped you should tell. There is a difference in ball touching ground and picking from ground.

  • AKS286 on June 8, 2013, 15:32 GMT

    I don't know who said that cricket is a gentleman's game ? Absolutely not ! What about Golf, Chess ? these are Gentlemen's game.

  • AKS286 on June 8, 2013, 15:29 GMT

    No penalizing is not good. He claims for catch if he takes cleanly or not it does't matter its umpire duty to check if caught cleanly you are out if not then not out. Bowlers appeals for LBW many times inside edge to pad but they still appeal.

  • KrupeshPatel on June 8, 2013, 14:53 GMT

    Yes ICC did right by penalizing Ramdin.... But what if batsman edges the ball behind and get unnoticed by umpire. Shouldn't he walk giving himself out or does ICC have any special code of conduct for such cases....!!!!!

  • somethingdifferent on June 8, 2013, 14:27 GMT

    Rashid Latif was penalized heavily for a similar offense and lost his captaincy cause of that. Lets see if ICC believes in equality.

  • on June 8, 2013, 14:08 GMT

    Competitive spirit vs. Values. Always easiest to judge from the outside. In the heat of the battle, reasoning isn't always as sharp as it should be. "The Fog of War".

    But...Mr. Ramdin, don't let this happen again! It was embarrassing

  • on June 8, 2013, 13:58 GMT

    Ramdin shouldn't have appealed in the first place knowing that he clearly dropped the catch

  • on June 8, 2013, 13:56 GMT

    Rahid latif the former captain of Pakistan was ban for the life time due to the same reason. This time the penalty should not be less then that.

  • jitnemai on June 8, 2013, 13:18 GMT

    Ramdin handed over the ball to the square leg umpire, that I would think, proves he had no dishonest intent.

  • delboy on June 8, 2013, 13:04 GMT

    Misbah as skipper must also do something about his players who appeal at every ball bowled. There was even an appeal when Pollard dumped one ball in the area adjacent the player pavillion. If Ramdim like has gotten this habit of appealing and pretending he takes a catch when he knowingly spilt it the he deserves what he gets when the full evidence is presented. If however video evidence proves him innocent the Misbach must be prepared for his score to be recorded as zero footnoted gifted 96. Honesty must prevail in the gentleman's game. When a catch is spilt let it be known indicate to the umpire when you knowingly edge a ball and is caught, walk when runout LBW and signal four or six or when you touch the boundary while holding the ball

  • on June 8, 2013, 12:58 GMT

    So claiming a catch when you didn't catch is against the spirit of the game but pretending to have not hit a ball you did, or vice versa, is fine.

  • Trevor_WI on June 8, 2013, 12:41 GMT

    What nonsense is this are players not allowed to have emotions ? What are the umpires being paid for ? If this is the case we should fine every player when they appeal and its is not out. Simply ridiculous.

  • Sudhir65 on June 8, 2013, 12:28 GMT

    This seems extreme on part of ICC. I have seen many replays. Ramdin seems to had control of the catch and dropped it when he was trying to get up to celebrate. If he thought he had control why should not he be allowed to appeal? I have seen much worse appeals. That is what umpires are there for.

  • on June 8, 2013, 12:13 GMT

    Where were these laws in the Sydney test (2008) and countless other instances? The 'spirit of cricket' rule is an incredibly dicey one, I am shocked it even exists. Has there been a recent rule change? Because if there hasn't, it is baffling that no players breach this on a regular basis in the form of:

    *sledging *not walking after nicking the ball *appealing for LBW when there is clearly an inside edge, or the ball is pitching outside leg *backing up too far *waiting for the batsman to lift his back foot before stumping him when he clearly hasn't lost his balance as a result of the delivery *bowling wide yorkers which are just about 'legal' deliveries outside of the batsman's reach

    This "Spirit of Cricket" malarkey has good intentions, but making a law based on it is utterly ridiculous.

  • on June 8, 2013, 12:10 GMT

    what about when players appeal for "caught behind" and the the ball is not played. the icc is just trying to make it difficult on the carribbean boys but this will not distract them. how many times are players given out and they are not clearly out, has misbah ever recall a batsman that is given out when he is not. spirit of the game " let's see how many times the pakistani appeal for caught behind when the ball is definitely not played, as a matter of fact all teams do this ,does this violate 2.2.11. let;s see what happen then

  • RaadQ on June 8, 2013, 12:07 GMT

    How has history got anything to do with present conduct? Every team has a history of incidents on and off the field... Judge the incident purely on it's own not in the context of this so called "history".

  • on June 8, 2013, 11:50 GMT

    Oh come on. In this regards, Kamran Akmal should also be fined for false appealing the catch. When clearly the camera shows he was SURE that it was not a catch. That was not in SPIRIT of the game as well. I Feel Denesh should be given BENEFIT of DOUBT....

  • on June 8, 2013, 11:41 GMT

    So when a fielder claims a catch that isn't, its a breach of conduct but when a batsman refuses to walk when he knows he's nicked it, its OK - how does that work? Both are acts of dishonesty and not in the spirit of the game

  • swarzi on June 8, 2013, 11:16 GMT

    Captain Bravo is correct! West Indies players are brought up to play the game honestly. You look at our history: Worrel, Sobers, Brian Lara and on and on; they wanted no false contribution to their actual performances! Hence, every run, wicket or catch registered to their records was honestly made. On the other hand, I have seen lots of big names in international cricket "stroking" the ball into the hands of fielders and when the umpires didn't send them out by so called "mistake", they stay in the wicket. Lots of them have thousands of runs so scored without any shame, because it helps to falsely inflate their records! I also agree with Mishba that he would not like his keeper to do that! But I guess Mishba has never captained a lot of the guys in his present team! I also wonder, why Ramdin, when I saw so many other fieldsmen in similar situations, and they are usually being defended by all and sundry (officials) saying that "it's usually difficult to tell on the spur of the moment"!

  • Zaheerahmed on June 8, 2013, 11:10 GMT

    In a similar incident in a test at Multan against Bangladesh Rashid Latif, who was also Captain of Pakistan, was banned for a test and then could not regain his place in the team and had to retire. But Ian Bell did the same but got the benefit of the doubt for being an Englishman. Lets see what ICC decides about a West Indian.

  • avmd on June 8, 2013, 10:59 GMT

    West Indies has great and proud cricket history and my respect for them will not be effected with this incidence as it was Ramdin's individual act but a shameful one. He should be banned for at least this champion trophy.

  • crickstats on June 8, 2013, 10:56 GMT

    "history shows that we are honest - Bravo" http://www.espncricinfo.com/wisdenalmanack/content/story/151276.html Roger Harper did the same thing, claimed a catch sheepishly after dropped a caught and ball of Bevan, who went on to hit 78* and Aussies won by a wkt

  • on June 8, 2013, 10:31 GMT

    its part of game..... its not gulity ... why ask about out decison on ground player... why not ask third umpir,,,,, i think its happen by mistake......... why u forget ricky ponting catch apel agents india test match...... in reply is clear player is not out ,,,,, but ricky told the umpire that m clark take a clear catch ......... i think forget it..... becoz west indes is one of best team in 2013 icc chm trop,,,, i think west indes win 2013 icc c t ... at 23 june

  • on June 8, 2013, 10:31 GMT

    I don't think that he should give any plead about this issue his reaction after catch was like he wanted this to reffer to up stairs. So I think this matter should not be taken much seriously. and the previous record of ramdin he is not a guilty player any how.

  • hitu.ignited on June 8, 2013, 10:06 GMT

    As much as Ramdin was at fault there, only he really knows whether he truly thought he had control over the catch for long enough (obviously he did not), I think this brings into question a lot of appeals from any keeper / slip cordon. In particular, from Kamran Akmal / Junaid Khan yesterday when the ball passed the edge of the bat which in my opinion falls into the same category given they don't actually think the batsman did edge the ball (if they were as confident as they seemed, surely they would go for the review). Yes, there wasn't a case yesterday when the umpire gave the batsman out but if he did, would that make the keeper's appeal any less morally wrong than what Ramdin did yesterday?

  • prakash_ajp on June 8, 2013, 9:57 GMT

    Either ICC or whoever pressing this charge should explain what this spirit of the game is. They also should explain how this is different from batsmen not walking when they have nicked. In the modern game, the spirit of the game has no place whatsoever. It's the umpires and match officials responsibility to make the decisions. If I were the west indies captain, I will demand this explanation and if required, just walk out of the tournament if they go forward with the charge. This is getting ridiculous.

  • on June 8, 2013, 9:46 GMT

    Oh! This champions trophy is alive n kicking!! Let's bring back the gentleman game!

  • on June 8, 2013, 9:44 GMT

    Yes, Windies always play cricket to the best of spirit of the game. There are some instances to show the world that West Indies play natural game. For instance, in the World cup 1987 match between PAK Vs WI even before C. Walsh could finish his bowling mark, the non striker Pakistani batsman backing up too far and if C. Walsh had removed the bails the non-striker would have been MANKAD Out by a mile. It was a crunch match. In fact they lost this match. But C. Walsh didn't do that and in fact he was awarded "Fair Play Award" for this gestsure. Windies are always perfect gentlemen in the game and they rank 1st. I always want them to win major titles like they won T20 WC recently. So in the present case, D. Ramdin may not have been aware that he dropped the catch of Misbah.

  • on June 8, 2013, 9:28 GMT

    West Indies Captain Darren Bravo?it should be dwayne bravo...cricinfo plzz correct it

  • TECHSAMAN on June 8, 2013, 9:20 GMT

    Misbah ul Haq & Darren Sammy should get a special award from the ICC at the end of this last tournament. They have, in their different ways brought international respect back to their International cricket teams. Neither were the obvious choice as captain but both did it with what seems like genuine leadership skills and respect for the game the players and the supporters. BLESS THEM BOTH.

  • ramesh-roy on June 8, 2013, 9:04 GMT

    Daren Bravo, is right there is no stigma against the current WI team- UNTIL NOW. RAMDIN's action in picking up the ball and claiming the catch is wrong - he should have turned to the umpire and asked for their decision. His countryman - B C LARA would have done so. As for history lession in W I playing in the true spirit of the game- Mr Bravo has forgotten the WIndian fearsome fast bowlers on the 1980's bombarding tailenders heads with repeated bouncers - not exactly the true spirit of the game!

  • Saddha on June 8, 2013, 9:00 GMT

    I think the captain of West Indies is Dwayne Bravo and not Darren Bravo right?

  • on June 8, 2013, 9:00 GMT

    west indies captain darren bravo? :D

  • roobbish11 on June 8, 2013, 8:59 GMT

    Correction to the above. The captain for West Indies is Dwayne and not Darren Bravo

  • on June 8, 2013, 8:36 GMT

    Never heard such a code exists. Why did Clarke not get ban for claiming Saurav's catch in 2008.

  • northumbriannomad on June 8, 2013, 8:26 GMT

    Not very impressed with Bravo's reaction. It was pretty blatant and an honest apology would have been in order. "Checking the records" to see how WI have played in the past is completely irrelevant.

  • on June 8, 2013, 8:21 GMT

    Hmm... Just wondering how this is different from the batsman who knows perfectly well that he's feathered it but stands there looking as if butter wouldn't melt. "You get given out by umpires when you haven't touched it, so it's fair enough not to walk and if the umpire's got it wrong, your luck's in that day," goes the often-heard argument from the Athertons of this world, and many others. Without condoning Ramdin, it does look like double standards.

  • AP_88 on June 8, 2013, 8:19 GMT

    Ramdin's act was absolutely against the spirit of the game and he should be punished accordingly. I was at the Oval for this game and the majority of the people in the stands could see that he had spilt the catch.

  • jackthelad on June 8, 2013, 8:17 GMT

    Sad, very sad, but all too common; the idea of admitting a catch hasn't been taken cleanly seems almost to have vanished from cricket. One of the reason that replays and third Umpires were deemed necessary, of course ... Now, one man on that field knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that the catch was not taken cleanly: Umpires can be unsighted, other fielders are rarely in a good enough position to see, batsmen are still completing their shot - but the (non)catcher knows absolutely. Ramdin deserves to be censured for his unsportsmanlike behaviour, though I think the recourse of charging him to the ICC is taking things a bit too far; a stern reminder of fair play requirements from captain and manager should surely be enough (no real damage was done, after all, except to the spirit of the game ... once more ...)

  • riverlime on June 8, 2013, 7:56 GMT

    That's fair, and I hope it will serve as an example for others to follow. I only hope that the ICC are equally stringent about other infractions and misdemeanours. As the tournament progresses, the urge to bend the rules of sportsmanship will become greater, and other examples will have to be made.

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  • riverlime on June 8, 2013, 7:56 GMT

    That's fair, and I hope it will serve as an example for others to follow. I only hope that the ICC are equally stringent about other infractions and misdemeanours. As the tournament progresses, the urge to bend the rules of sportsmanship will become greater, and other examples will have to be made.

  • jackthelad on June 8, 2013, 8:17 GMT

    Sad, very sad, but all too common; the idea of admitting a catch hasn't been taken cleanly seems almost to have vanished from cricket. One of the reason that replays and third Umpires were deemed necessary, of course ... Now, one man on that field knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that the catch was not taken cleanly: Umpires can be unsighted, other fielders are rarely in a good enough position to see, batsmen are still completing their shot - but the (non)catcher knows absolutely. Ramdin deserves to be censured for his unsportsmanlike behaviour, though I think the recourse of charging him to the ICC is taking things a bit too far; a stern reminder of fair play requirements from captain and manager should surely be enough (no real damage was done, after all, except to the spirit of the game ... once more ...)

  • AP_88 on June 8, 2013, 8:19 GMT

    Ramdin's act was absolutely against the spirit of the game and he should be punished accordingly. I was at the Oval for this game and the majority of the people in the stands could see that he had spilt the catch.

  • on June 8, 2013, 8:21 GMT

    Hmm... Just wondering how this is different from the batsman who knows perfectly well that he's feathered it but stands there looking as if butter wouldn't melt. "You get given out by umpires when you haven't touched it, so it's fair enough not to walk and if the umpire's got it wrong, your luck's in that day," goes the often-heard argument from the Athertons of this world, and many others. Without condoning Ramdin, it does look like double standards.

  • northumbriannomad on June 8, 2013, 8:26 GMT

    Not very impressed with Bravo's reaction. It was pretty blatant and an honest apology would have been in order. "Checking the records" to see how WI have played in the past is completely irrelevant.

  • on June 8, 2013, 8:36 GMT

    Never heard such a code exists. Why did Clarke not get ban for claiming Saurav's catch in 2008.

  • roobbish11 on June 8, 2013, 8:59 GMT

    Correction to the above. The captain for West Indies is Dwayne and not Darren Bravo

  • on June 8, 2013, 9:00 GMT

    west indies captain darren bravo? :D

  • Saddha on June 8, 2013, 9:00 GMT

    I think the captain of West Indies is Dwayne Bravo and not Darren Bravo right?

  • ramesh-roy on June 8, 2013, 9:04 GMT

    Daren Bravo, is right there is no stigma against the current WI team- UNTIL NOW. RAMDIN's action in picking up the ball and claiming the catch is wrong - he should have turned to the umpire and asked for their decision. His countryman - B C LARA would have done so. As for history lession in W I playing in the true spirit of the game- Mr Bravo has forgotten the WIndian fearsome fast bowlers on the 1980's bombarding tailenders heads with repeated bouncers - not exactly the true spirit of the game!