Pakistan v South Africa, Champions Trophy, Edgbaston June 10, 2013

Pakistan keep doing the same old thing

Again, Misbah-ul-Haq and the bowlers were let down by the rest of Pakistan's batting line-up
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No defeat is welcome, but it was the wearingly familiar nature of this loss that will really sting Pakistan.

None of the fatal flaws will come as a surprise. No-one will be shocked to have seen Pakistan drop a crucial chance and no-one will have been surprised to see Pakistan's batting prove as weak as a kitten. An asthmatic kitten with a broken paw and commitment to pacifism. They have now been bowled out within their 50 overs in seven of their last 12 ODIs.

Equally, none of their strengths will come as a surprise. Despite a surfeit of full tosses, Pakistan again impressed with the ball - there is no more thrilling bowling attack in this tournament - and Misbah-ul-Haq - again - led the way with the bat. It's just that too much is asked of Misbah and the bowlers from the pathetically weak batting. A car can be fitted with the fastest engine, it won't go far without wheels.

Perhaps we should not be surprised by this performance. Pakistan have, after all, persevered with some of the same old players for many years - well over a decade in a couple of cases - long after it became apparent that they were unable to perform with the consistency required for international cricket. And, as they say, if you keep on doing the same old thing, you are likely to end up with the same old results. Sometimes you wonder what Imran Farhat or Shoaib Malik have to do to be dropped.

Maybe it is not their fault. Pakistan, starved of international tours, are not over-endowed with good quality young batsmen and replacements are not clear. The temptation to go back to the likes of Younis Khan is obvious, but it would offer a short-term solution at best.

If Pakistan really want to progress, they need to invest in the likes of Ahmed Shehzad, Umar Akmal, Haris Sohail and Mohammad Rizwan. Azhar Ali and Asad Shafiq, who was somewhat surprisingly dropped for this match, might also add solidity. Neither are, perhaps, natural limited-overs players, but you worry about the speed your boat is sailing after you've stopped it sinking.

Pakistan need to encourage these players with A tours or stints in domestic or league cricket around the world. They need to help them gain experience of other conditions and different types of bowlers. Such a venture would prove far more beneficial than the white elephant of a new stadium that has recently been built in Islamabad at great expense. It may be that the ICC need to offer more tangible assistance, too, but simply firing and hiring a succession of batting coaches will do nothing to fix the fundamental issues within the Pakistan system.

It will take time to turn things around. One of the replacements in this game, Umar Amin, endured a horrid match as he dropped Hashim Amla on seven and then looked out of his depth with the bat. But if the selectors were right to pick him here, they will be right to stick with him for months ahead to give him any chance of adapting to the rigours of international cricket. Pakistan supporters are going to need to show great patience in the years ahead.

It would be a tragedy if Pakistan cricket went the way of West Indies cricket and spectator numbers ebbed away due to dwindling belief in the team. At a time when cricket grounds across the world struggle to fill their grounds, Edgbaston was filled to the brim with voluble but good humoured Pakistan supporters. Not for the first time, the Pakistan supporters outperformed their team.

Most of then, anyway. Misbah was, quite ridiculously, booed at the post-match presentation despite top-scoring for the second game in succession and fielding with an athleticism and skill that put men 10 years younger than him to shame. Twice he completed run-outs while his diving catch to dismiss David Miller would have pleased Jonty Rhodes.

To his immense credit, Misbah defended the supporters' boos and admitted that the performance of his side's batsmen was inadequate.

"One day it is zindabad, the next day it is boos," Misbah said afterwards. "When you produce these sort of performances, they have the right to say this. The players need to take responsibility. If you are not delivering as a player, the team will suffer.

"At the moment, no-one is justifying their place in the team. No-one is getting runs. You think about selection after the tournament. We thought these were the best six batsmen in Pakistan when we came here. Again, it is about application and batsmen applying themselves. All the responsibility lies with the players.

"It's really difficult when you're batting is performing like that. It's really disappointing. Even in mid-innings, it was less than six-an-over and it was very much like a Pakistan pitch. We've played time and time over on these sort of pitches. You can't say the wicket was difficult."

The frustration from a Pakistan perspective is that South Africa were there for the taking. Weakened by withdrawals, they batted with timidity and were overly reliant on a debutant fast bowler - the hugely impressive Chris Morris - and the much-improved Ryan McLaren with the ball. But Pakistan made limited bowlers such as Lonwabo Tsotobe and Aaron Phangiso look like world-beaters and, for the second game in succession, only two men scored more than 16. They will win very few games while that is the case.

George Dobell is a senior correspondent at ESPNcricinfo

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  • POSTED BY i-s-r-a-r on | June 11, 2013, 5:10 GMT

    Misbah is the only player in this team along with ajmal who will make in to any international team in the world. It is sad to see how little he is appreciated by most pakistani fans who seems to idolize players like afridi and such since these types of player has a go big or go home (its go home 90% of the time) type attitude. God knows what will happen to this team when misbah retires.

  • POSTED BY on | June 14, 2013, 5:38 GMT

    since i started watching cricket in 1990, i have never seen Pakistan great batting wise. Even when we had the likes of some of the best batsman we were always depending on our bowling to bail us out. And 90% of the times our bowling did bail us out.

    Its time for Change, the last time pakistan was actually strong in batting was when Inzi took over as captain and had Yusuf and yunus both playing well along with salman butt who was a good opener.

    This is what i want to know when Afridi is our 2nd best scorer in SA series right before Champions trophy why did we drop him? also where is Umar akmal? asad bowled so well in Practice match yet didn't play while we played 3 lefty bowlers which isn't smart

    Its time to Fix Pakistani cricket, please we were one of the best and most feared nations when it came to cricket to now we can't do 200 runs while our bowling is still performing at very high level

  • POSTED BY Toescrusher on | June 13, 2013, 3:02 GMT

    I think, ICC can make PCB up to par cricketing governing body as other cricketing nation, by putting at least fives years of restriction from playing any International cricket. This will force PCB to administer cricket on democratic bases. In return, ICC won't loose any thing; it will actually provide PCB valuable time for the administration and promotion of cricket evenly in all the regions of Pakistan. Not only that it will be very healthy for World cricket.

  • POSTED BY PlayfromDallas on | June 13, 2013, 2:23 GMT

    How in the world ICC approved four years term of Zaka Ashraf as constitutional? Where as High Court of Pakistan suspended Zaka Ashraf's term as unconstitutional and taken all the power from him to handle cricket affairs in Pakistan?

  • POSTED BY on | June 12, 2013, 15:13 GMT

    Are we serious to resolve Pakistan's miserable batting problem? Then, select PCB Chief constitutionally where five cricketing region's head cast their vote in favor or against. On merit this should be featured comment.

  • POSTED BY sohaib326 on | June 12, 2013, 14:53 GMT

    if they really want to improve change your domestic tracks i hope we will see some dominant improvements.

  • POSTED BY sohaib326 on | June 12, 2013, 14:51 GMT

    The problem is with their batting techniques. It can't be improved till they improve the standard of their pitches. Even Indians play their domestic ranji trophy competition on grassy green pitches that is one of the main reason why they have a world class batting techniques as compared to Pakistan. Geoffry boycott also said that my 90 year old mother can easily bat on Pakistani tracks ;) This is why the youngsters can easily put 100 tons in domestic Quaid e azam trophy and the get failed at international level specially on the pitches of South Africa & Australia since both the countries have bouncy green tracks which are comparatively tough to score runs & when there is a Red ball it is almost disaster which we have seen in their tour of South Africa....

  • POSTED BY ev_bartlett on | June 12, 2013, 14:08 GMT

    Well said there George. I have to agree, Misbah ul-Haq was a credit to himself and to the rest of his team. In the press conference he came across as humble, honest and overwhelmingly frustrated by the poor performance of his team.

    To be booed by his own supporters must have been very disappointing to a man who is clearly so proud to pull on the Pakistan shirt.

    You mention the need for the up-and-coming players to see overseas experience - didn't he also mention in the press conference that one of the areas they will be targeting now is to expose their younger players to overseas domestic cricket?

    It would be a desperate shame to see a fine cricketing nation suffer in the doldrums any longer...

  • POSTED BY Cricket_Live on | June 12, 2013, 13:58 GMT

    @ Umms I normally never respond to anyone's comment as everyone is entitled to his opinion regardless how correct it stands. What was wrong with Afridi when he returned from Semi final of WC and lost the captain position? We lost Semi final yes but it was the fault of Misbah. Don't believe me? watch the recording. I don't recall Pakistan having issues with batting 50 overs before Misbah took over, in fact the batting disasters started with Misbah (PAK have now been bowled out within their 50 overs in seven of their last 12 ODIs.) i am sure you know he has been captain in all those 12 ODI's. The attitude and body language of your captain always matter, be a fan or cricketer we all know that. Watch the 37th over and the signal of Misbah to young Umar Amin and only then he was allowed to play the shots. who asked him to continue ducking the balls? Our batting order is a disaster and yes the team is the poorest we ever had, you wanna know who's fault is that? M____H and he must go.....now

  • POSTED BY jokerbala on | June 12, 2013, 8:26 GMT

    Pakistan is approaching ODI batting just like they did in the 1990s. 100 for 2 in 30 overs and then finish with 250 then defend it with world class bowling. This approach could have served them well in the past when they had excellent finishers like Inzy, Moin Khan , Razzak and Wasim Akram, but when you have Kamran Akmal and Wahab Riaz , I am afraid you cannot use that tactic.People say, bring in Ahmed shezad and Azar ali AND Asad shafiq. But I have not seen them set the world on fire either.Their best option would be to bring in Imran Nazir , Umar Akmal and Mohamed Yousuf in and give them a free hand. Line up would be Kamran , Imran Nazir , Jamshed , Umar Akmal, Mo YO,Hafeez, Misbah,Ajmal, Wahab,Junaid and Irfan .

  • POSTED BY i-s-r-a-r on | June 11, 2013, 5:10 GMT

    Misbah is the only player in this team along with ajmal who will make in to any international team in the world. It is sad to see how little he is appreciated by most pakistani fans who seems to idolize players like afridi and such since these types of player has a go big or go home (its go home 90% of the time) type attitude. God knows what will happen to this team when misbah retires.

  • POSTED BY on | June 14, 2013, 5:38 GMT

    since i started watching cricket in 1990, i have never seen Pakistan great batting wise. Even when we had the likes of some of the best batsman we were always depending on our bowling to bail us out. And 90% of the times our bowling did bail us out.

    Its time for Change, the last time pakistan was actually strong in batting was when Inzi took over as captain and had Yusuf and yunus both playing well along with salman butt who was a good opener.

    This is what i want to know when Afridi is our 2nd best scorer in SA series right before Champions trophy why did we drop him? also where is Umar akmal? asad bowled so well in Practice match yet didn't play while we played 3 lefty bowlers which isn't smart

    Its time to Fix Pakistani cricket, please we were one of the best and most feared nations when it came to cricket to now we can't do 200 runs while our bowling is still performing at very high level

  • POSTED BY Toescrusher on | June 13, 2013, 3:02 GMT

    I think, ICC can make PCB up to par cricketing governing body as other cricketing nation, by putting at least fives years of restriction from playing any International cricket. This will force PCB to administer cricket on democratic bases. In return, ICC won't loose any thing; it will actually provide PCB valuable time for the administration and promotion of cricket evenly in all the regions of Pakistan. Not only that it will be very healthy for World cricket.

  • POSTED BY PlayfromDallas on | June 13, 2013, 2:23 GMT

    How in the world ICC approved four years term of Zaka Ashraf as constitutional? Where as High Court of Pakistan suspended Zaka Ashraf's term as unconstitutional and taken all the power from him to handle cricket affairs in Pakistan?

  • POSTED BY on | June 12, 2013, 15:13 GMT

    Are we serious to resolve Pakistan's miserable batting problem? Then, select PCB Chief constitutionally where five cricketing region's head cast their vote in favor or against. On merit this should be featured comment.

  • POSTED BY sohaib326 on | June 12, 2013, 14:53 GMT

    if they really want to improve change your domestic tracks i hope we will see some dominant improvements.

  • POSTED BY sohaib326 on | June 12, 2013, 14:51 GMT

    The problem is with their batting techniques. It can't be improved till they improve the standard of their pitches. Even Indians play their domestic ranji trophy competition on grassy green pitches that is one of the main reason why they have a world class batting techniques as compared to Pakistan. Geoffry boycott also said that my 90 year old mother can easily bat on Pakistani tracks ;) This is why the youngsters can easily put 100 tons in domestic Quaid e azam trophy and the get failed at international level specially on the pitches of South Africa & Australia since both the countries have bouncy green tracks which are comparatively tough to score runs & when there is a Red ball it is almost disaster which we have seen in their tour of South Africa....

  • POSTED BY ev_bartlett on | June 12, 2013, 14:08 GMT

    Well said there George. I have to agree, Misbah ul-Haq was a credit to himself and to the rest of his team. In the press conference he came across as humble, honest and overwhelmingly frustrated by the poor performance of his team.

    To be booed by his own supporters must have been very disappointing to a man who is clearly so proud to pull on the Pakistan shirt.

    You mention the need for the up-and-coming players to see overseas experience - didn't he also mention in the press conference that one of the areas they will be targeting now is to expose their younger players to overseas domestic cricket?

    It would be a desperate shame to see a fine cricketing nation suffer in the doldrums any longer...

  • POSTED BY Cricket_Live on | June 12, 2013, 13:58 GMT

    @ Umms I normally never respond to anyone's comment as everyone is entitled to his opinion regardless how correct it stands. What was wrong with Afridi when he returned from Semi final of WC and lost the captain position? We lost Semi final yes but it was the fault of Misbah. Don't believe me? watch the recording. I don't recall Pakistan having issues with batting 50 overs before Misbah took over, in fact the batting disasters started with Misbah (PAK have now been bowled out within their 50 overs in seven of their last 12 ODIs.) i am sure you know he has been captain in all those 12 ODI's. The attitude and body language of your captain always matter, be a fan or cricketer we all know that. Watch the 37th over and the signal of Misbah to young Umar Amin and only then he was allowed to play the shots. who asked him to continue ducking the balls? Our batting order is a disaster and yes the team is the poorest we ever had, you wanna know who's fault is that? M____H and he must go.....now

  • POSTED BY jokerbala on | June 12, 2013, 8:26 GMT

    Pakistan is approaching ODI batting just like they did in the 1990s. 100 for 2 in 30 overs and then finish with 250 then defend it with world class bowling. This approach could have served them well in the past when they had excellent finishers like Inzy, Moin Khan , Razzak and Wasim Akram, but when you have Kamran Akmal and Wahab Riaz , I am afraid you cannot use that tactic.People say, bring in Ahmed shezad and Azar ali AND Asad shafiq. But I have not seen them set the world on fire either.Their best option would be to bring in Imran Nazir , Umar Akmal and Mohamed Yousuf in and give them a free hand. Line up would be Kamran , Imran Nazir , Jamshed , Umar Akmal, Mo YO,Hafeez, Misbah,Ajmal, Wahab,Junaid and Irfan .

  • POSTED BY dmqi on | June 12, 2013, 7:31 GMT

    Looking at the last 2 games, I am not sure if few of those low scoring batsmen were out by a good ball or they just wanted them to be out. I have no confidence in the morality of few players. Pak cricket is famous for this type of actions.

  • POSTED BY Hashimi-Afghanistan on | June 12, 2013, 5:34 GMT

    The problem with Pakistan team is that they lack aggression and are being too much defensive. In every match they come with an idea to see off the new ball. For that they make 40 odd runs in 20 overs for the lost 3-4 wickets, making a target of 200 odd runs, 400 for themselves by making the required run rate above 8 in the 30th over with few wickets left. They stop every ball resulting to encourage the bowlers to bowl well and boost their confedence. In contrary if they show some aggression, like indians do, and attack the bowlers, the bowlers would mess up their line and lenght and would try to be defensive. Pakistan team is not as much bad as they make it themselves. The same team beat india at home and won the asia cup few months back. They should come in the ground with much aggresive mind. They don't have anything to loose. SO THE PROBLEM WITH PAKISTAN TEAM IS THEIR ATTITUDE AND MIND SET THAT THEY NEED TO CHANGE IT TO SAVE THEIR REPUTATION. I am an afghan but always fan of pak cri

  • POSTED BY PlayfromDallas on | June 12, 2013, 4:39 GMT

    Make no mistake; problem starts in Pakistan's cricket with President's power to assign PCB Chief; it is that dominos effect from the top that has catastrophic impact on Pakistani Team. Unless we Pakistani select PCB Chief according to the consensus of each cricketing region's head, we will continue to have this problem in the Team, and eventually we would lose our recognition in front of International audience.

  • POSTED BY Siva_Bala75 on | June 12, 2013, 4:05 GMT

    More than anybody else, the Pakistan batters are missing the IPL experience. Because you play 16 matches and you fail in some and succeed in some, you can take a step back and analyze a lot. The IPL has taught batters to strategize well, play fearless cricket as you can see in Dhawan, Rohit, DK, Raina and Kohli. Ever since IPL has come, India has done very well in the shorter form of cricket.

  • POSTED BY Siva_Bala75 on | June 12, 2013, 3:33 GMT

    India should have a reciprocal agreement with Pakistan. Transfer 5 batsmen (Rahane, Gambhir, Uthappa, Badrinath and Manoj Tewari) and take 5 pace bowlers from them. Then both teams will become unbeatable. More seriously, Pakistan should be allowed to play India Ranji. It will help both side batsmen. Pakistan batters to get experience while India batsmen to face some serious tough bowling.

  • POSTED BY Umms on | June 12, 2013, 3:03 GMT

    In the seven of last 12 ODI, Pakistan failed to play out 50 overs - Misbah fault? Shahid Afridi playing from 96 played over 350 matches averages 23 - Misbah fault? Shoaib Malik playing from 99 - still cant get establish himself despite being made a captain - Misbah fault? Imran Farhat playing since 10 years still averages 30 - Misbah fault? The only person who averages over 40 in both form of cricket is being seen as the weak link. Guys grow out of your emotions and think rationally. Pakistan batting is all time low at this level. If Misbah is slow it is only because we are not a strong batting unit, he plays according to the team. We are not India/Australia/SA that even 2 wickets go early middle order will carry you over the rope. We have a damaged middle order and openers. Also see the records of those players who you want to recommend. .

  • POSTED BY IAS2009 on | June 11, 2013, 22:39 GMT

    Reading all these comments from fans, the conclusion is very much unanimous about Misbah poor and defensive approach to batting, how come we all can see it and keep seeing it for 3 years now. the stats of pakistan ODI is not very good either, our batting is not better than BD in my opinion, there is no fluency in batting at all, with so much T20 going around the cricket world Batsme are so innovative, our batsmen do not even show intent to rotate the strike, it is so essential on slow wickets, Pakistan has lost many more games on slow wickets because of this fundamental flaw with Misbah approach and whole coaching staff is responsible for it, it is unbearable to watch. We have no replacements for YK, M Yousuf, pick people who are willing to learn otherwise this team will turn into BD team their batsmen committing same mistakes for last decade. Is selection committee totally blind, hire scouts who will find talent.

  • POSTED BY Rubic on | June 11, 2013, 21:58 GMT

    PCB and Misbah..just continue to ignore the fans, experts saying and reality...People have very short memory and everything will be fine in a week time...Imran Farhat, Shoib Malik, Hafeez and Kamran Akmal...stay padded...you all are flying to WI for next tour...

  • POSTED BY on | June 11, 2013, 21:13 GMT

    Much needed article, this. Thank you. Spot on with the desperate need to invest and persist on the upcoming likes of Ahmed Shehzad, Asad Shafiq, Umar Akmal, etc and the need for encouraging them with stints in places like England and Australia for development.

  • POSTED BY on | June 11, 2013, 20:14 GMT

    The problem lies with Captaincy and not the players. Same players (mostly) under M Hafeez in T20 play much much better. Why? Reason Misbah! ..... as he does not allow players to play natural way. All teams and players generally go for natural style that gives them confidence in longer way. Unfortunately Misbah has the habbit to snub the qualities of players. Make a right captain and see the same players play much differently. T20 I already quoted and is the proof of my conclusion.

  • POSTED BY on | June 11, 2013, 20:09 GMT

    The problem in Pakistan Cricket is no where by the Captaincy. I do not agree with most of the comments above, or of analysts on cricinfo and even of Misbah post match remarks labeling the batsmen as sitting ducks. when as a captain you act like a dictator and press the natural playing pattern of any player, the results as came are very obvious. For example, Nasir Jamshed is a talented fluent playing player but if you tell him that if he tried to score in natural flow I will make you out of Pakistan team, welll ... he is gonna listen and play like snail and thus ends up with a snail pace scoring and eventual death for a misjudge shot or a good ball while score board reflecting 40 overs Pakistan 100 runs! On contrary if you see most of same players playing under Hafeez in T20, well the story is always different where u can see players performing as Hafeez does not act like Misbah. PK PRO IS NOTHING BUT A RIGHT CAPTAIN...PUT A GOOD ONE WITH SAME PLAYERS AND SEE RESULTS.

  • POSTED BY on | June 11, 2013, 19:41 GMT

    First i disagree with i-s-r-a-r that only Junaid and Ajmal would make any other team. Our bowling is best in the world. Junaid, Irfan, Ajmal and even Wahab. On some teams Hafeez would be the best spin bowler. Throw in the depth we have in Pakistan....Our team is stacked at bowling.

    That being said, the batting is horrendously pathetic. Pakistan has better batsmen sitting in Pakistan. You could easily find 4-5 batsman that have much more talent and are more deserving then the likes of Malik, Farhat, Akmal. Who are gifted because they have the blood lines to someone who is in PCB directly or indirectly, or other hookups.

    Pakistan has to go young. Persist with young players and sprinkle in very few non-political players veterans who can serve as role models. Younis and Misbah...Instead of political players like Malik, Hafeez, Kamran Akmal.

  • POSTED BY Kahn_N on | June 11, 2013, 18:12 GMT

    Misbah reap what he sowed!!!

    He didn't consider Younis Khan, Shahid Afridi, Umar Akmal, and Abdul Razzaq. Instead he relied on flop bunch of players like Shoaib Malik, Kamran Akmal, Umar Amin, and Imran Farhat. If Younis and Afridi not selected due to bad form, on which performance this bunch of dorks selected for this important event?

    Misbah himself played very slow and lack of strike rotation was obvious. Misbah must prepare his mind for 0-3.

  • POSTED BY soccer001 on | June 11, 2013, 18:04 GMT

    This is for the coaches, captain and selection committee members: Hafeez should be retained only as a specialist bowler and should play at number 6. Hafeez is a gamble as a batsman but more dependable as a bowler. Get rid of old players like Shoab, Farhat etc. Keep Kamran only as a substitute wicket keeper. Give fair chance to Umer Akmal to play at number 3 or 4; if he fails at number 3 or 4, he should not be considered for ODIs. Bring in new players, let Misbah groom them, chances are that you will find decent 4-5 new players. Oh yes, it should be mandatory for all players to watch old cricket videos of Miadad, Imran Khan and Zaheer abbas to learn that cricket is a mental game and has been in the past. Only brightest, toughest like Imran and Miadad were able to thrive internationally. It is a shame that the present team has made ordinary bowling of West Indies and present South Africa look very good.

  • POSTED BY on | June 11, 2013, 17:54 GMT

    so is there going to be any accountability for the latest debacle or are we going to go the way of our politics and elect a formerly deposed and humiliated leader ?

    also is the coach ever going to be asked pointed probing questions ?

    The number one deficiency in Pakistani batsmen is Confidence. The last i checked that is a coachable trait. whatmore or whatless ?

  • POSTED BY AleemLatif on | June 11, 2013, 17:43 GMT

    It was a clear effort by the likes of Kamran Akmal, Shoab Malik, Hafeez etc. to fail Misbah. It was always on cards as Afridi was out of the team... Last 2 matches were clear showcase of players grouping in this team. Just see their tactics ... do reasonable in the useless matches ( to secure/justify their place in the squad) ... and do nothing in important matches. It is the PCB to see and take actions to eliminate such elements from this team ... and also to get rid of incapable batsmen like Farhat, Amin etc. This team needs filtration - upto the level of complete cleanness...

  • POSTED BY Rexton87 on | June 11, 2013, 17:16 GMT

    Misbah despite the calmness and stability he brings to the team his capabilities are limited. He has occasionally steered the team to victory only if the target was around 150-170 . His extremely slow approach to batting and ignoring the rising asking run rate put pressure on other batsmen and they perish. Pak fans were dreaming of lifting champions trophy while the writing was very much on the wall when they narrowly avoided defeat against Ireland. Look at India they have the vision courage and audacity to remove two of the most prolific and attacking openers like Sewag and Gambhir and now reaping the rewards of their bold approach. Only Nasir Jamshed and Saeed Ajmal deserve to be in the team. Hafeez is nothing but an illusion and like Kamran and other Akmals will not deliver when team needs him. The batting capabilities of lower order should improve too. Ahmed Shahzad, Haris Sohail,Hamad Azam and Shahzeb Hasan need to be in. Please do not bring immature Umar Akmal.

  • POSTED BY IAS2009 on | June 11, 2013, 16:35 GMT

    i am not sure why Misbah is praised in the team, his attitude of blocking the ball is spread to every batsman in the team, he block too many balls and 4.49 avg went up to 8 to 9 an over, it absurd that he said the press conf. everything was under control when he and Nasir were batting, are u kidding me, they did not cross 100 when till 31 over regardless of how many wickets you will have you are not going to get to 234 period. I think Misbah approach is poor to bat your self out in 25 overs chasing 234 was poor, semi final of world cup same issue, 2 ODL lost in SA same issue, 3rd ODI in India this year exact same issue batting 2nd chasing 150 odd runs was such a big deal because no one rotate the strike, Hafeez almost pulled it off in last few overs but why the same intentions were absent when ball was hard and new with power play available. It is negative mind set loosing games.

  • POSTED BY YorkshirePudding on | June 11, 2013, 16:22 GMT

    What is said about getting players into domestic leagues around the world is true, pakistan cricketers have a tarnished reputation with Amir, Asif, Butt and Kaneria, so who is going to risk brining in a Pakistan player who then spot fixes.

    I know its not true of all pakistan players but the thought is there in the back of administrators heads, and will be for some time.

  • POSTED BY Dark.Matter on | June 11, 2013, 16:02 GMT

    Keeping Imran Farhat in and a proper batter Asad Shafiq out did not make any sense. It was a pathetic move. Secondly, selection of kamran, shoib, farhat, amin was senseless. Third, there are some players in pk side who are constantly failing, such as hafeez. So, they should be kept out of the side. With such a good bowling attack, pk have wasted the opportunity of Champions trophy.

  • POSTED BY Desihungama on | June 11, 2013, 15:44 GMT

    The fans are paying the price for cronyism that has set into society at large and the team in particular. Really, do we not know Ahmad Shehzad, Younis Khan, Harris Sohail and genuine all rounders like Hammad Azam were better options? Do we not know English conditions differ from any other country and people with experience of English Counties are better suited to represent than someone being plucked out of obscurity? Could M. Yousaf and be not called back just for this CT? Did it ever come under discussion? Do you really think we would have lost with Yousaf/Younis batting in the middle? Do we not know Umar Amin was a failure last time around in England? What did he do in the meantime in England to warrant a place? Nada. He only played domestic in Pakistan. Fact of the matter is players are themselves confused. Defensive mentality has seeped into team and they've forgotten their natural flair. One's with natural flairs are conveniently discarded like Afridi, Razzaq, Umar Akmal, Hammad.

  • POSTED BY Plastist on | June 11, 2013, 14:46 GMT

    26 September 2009: Almost 4 years & 32 matches since Shoaib Malik made a 50+ score in ODIs. He averages 18 during that period with the bat and a batting strike-rate of 68. He's taken 13 wickets during that period & bowled more than 5 overs in a match only 5 times.

  • POSTED BY Rubic on | June 11, 2013, 14:24 GMT

    George Dobell, you are under estimating Farhat and Malik (I'd add Kamran Akmal and Hafeez to the same category). These are the players on whom Misbah and PCB have blind trust..all we need to do is to stay patient with them..let them GROOM fully..probably another DECADE….if Pak cricket survive that long….People will forget likes of Lara, Ponting, Tendulkar, Smith, Amla, Cook etc…it will be only Farhat, Malik, Kamran Akmal and Hafeez all around the world…just stay patient…

  • POSTED BY Shahzadhussan on | June 11, 2013, 13:53 GMT

    No doubt Misbah has some talent as a batsman but he is the most responsible for the destruction. He never let the young players to grow by giving them confidence and encouragement. For instance they dropped U Akmal instead of improving him. Most of the time he failed due to batting of Misbah who stayed on wicket for ever to increase the asking rate and putting huge pressure on batsmen to come like U Akmal who was sent at No 6 all the time. Very first thing to do to solve any problem is change of captain and bring these young those have been mentioned in this article

  • POSTED BY din7 on | June 11, 2013, 13:32 GMT

    Well said Dobell! Im too always wondering what have malik and farhat did to get selected in first place, even bangladesh wont select them, they are even more poor than bangla players but still get a place in this squad..can some1 explain why was asad was dropped he's 100% better than malik and farhat! And if some1 is still blaming misbah than he's a fool...come on he cant do evrythin...score all runs, stay on wicket, hit! it impossible no1 can save pak if they select farhat and malik even once....and where Umar akmal he is far better than this tail lenders...he Pak management have failed to develop him in to a very good allround player...even still he's better than those taillenders!

  • POSTED BY inzisaloos on | June 11, 2013, 12:41 GMT

    This is the worst batting unit that Pakistan has sent on tour in many years. They struggled to get over the line against Ireland and their displays in the CT so far have been inept, to say the least. Fans and critics alike have bemoaned the selections of Farhat and Malik for a long time now. Since his last century in 2009, Malik has not even made a 50 in his subsequent 29 innings and averages 18.5 over that period. Farhat, in his last 15 innings has only made three 50's and averages 24.6 in that period. Which other country would persevere with players with such mediocre records? The selection committee needs to be held accountable for their continual poor judgment.

  • POSTED BY Kak-mal_Khan on | June 11, 2013, 11:24 GMT

    Mr Dobell you have mentioned something that I have always been a huge advocate of! Why do Pakistan players who lack immensely in batting technique not go and ply their trade in the global cricket leagues of the World? - outside of the sub-continent. These batsmen whom have obviously got the talent to flourish, seem mesmerised by the bowling units of the SA, Eng and Aus. I remember that Imran Khan, Javed Miandad, Zaheer Abbas, Salim Malik, Mushtaq Mohammad etc…. were all playing English County Cricket and were all held in high regard and still respected batsmen and allrounders. In the 90's this gradually changed where Pakistan batsmen Mohammad Yousaf and Ijaz Ahmed could be seen turning out for local Yorkshire league teams. Pakistan batsmen need to embrace this culture again, because the bowling and fielding of most teams are more professional and drilled, they don't offer respite and this is why Pakistan batting is failing! P.S. Misbah, What A Catch!!! We still BELIEVE in you

  • POSTED BY on | June 11, 2013, 11:09 GMT

    to say Tsotsobe and Phangiso are limited bowlers is incorrect, firstly tsotsobe was a the number 1 ranked bowler in the world not so long ago and he continues to perfom regularly for SA. Phangiso has a good record on domestic league and he was the the top perfomer in the recent t20 champions trophy in SA. Credit must be given where its due.

  • POSTED BY Cricket_Man on | June 11, 2013, 11:08 GMT

    The players who should be brought into the international mix on a regular basis are: Hammad Azam, Babar Azam, Harris Sohail, Shan Masood, Raza Hassan, Jamal Anwar (wk), Navid Yasin, Ahmed Shahzad, Mohammad Nawaz, Umar Waheed, Sami Aslam (he performed well at the u-19 level). Asad Shafiq should play at number 6 in ODIs like he does in Tests. Azhar Ali should retain his test spot and in tough batting conditions he can be used in ODI's too. Selectors please show some faith in these youngsters. At least start taking them on tours regularly. We don't want to see the same old faces failing over and over again. Umar Akmal isn't included as his inclusion would tempt him to somehow bring his older brother. We don't want selfish players.

  • POSTED BY Cricket_Man on | June 11, 2013, 10:53 GMT

    This is my list of 11 UNWANTED cricketers in the Pakistani team: 1) Farhat 2) Nazir 3) Y.Khan 4) M. Yousuf 5) S. Malik 6) U. Akmal 7) K. Akmal 8) Afridi 9) Razzaq 10) M. Sami 11) Aizaz Cheema (Sohail Tanvir, Gul and Fawad Alam, Shahzaib Hassan as reserves) . Some of the cricketers are well past their prime, some are just average, some keep on coming because of "public demand" and some come because they have influential relatives in the cricket board. None of these cricketers deserve to be in the Pakistani lineup. I urge the Pakistani public to stop asking the selectors to bring back Razzaq, Afridi, Akmals, Malik, Younis, Yusuf, Nazir or any of the above mentioned cricketers. These cricketers will only disappoint us with once in a blue moon performances.

  • POSTED BY Cricket_Man on | June 11, 2013, 10:32 GMT

    If George Dobell can identify Farhat and Malik being given chances after chances with no match winning performances then why can't the selectors. Mr. Dobell you missed out Kamran Akmal in this category. We always say that Akmal is preferred over other keepers as he can bat too. When is the last time when Akmal performed well with the bat against a quality side. For me, dropping of Asad Shafiq was more disappointing then Pakistan losing as consistently pathetic performers like Malik and Farhat still managed to retain their places over Shafiq. Misbah performed well. However, he at times adopts a negative approach and I am wondering if it was Misbah who asked his batsmen to play defensively in order to save wickets at the end. His negative approach works for his batting but not for the other 10 players in the team. Misbah was not only being booed for his team's performance but also for his approach. But nobody can or wil blame him as he scored, inflicted run outs and took a good catch

  • POSTED BY keptalittlelow on | June 11, 2013, 10:13 GMT

    Pakistan has the weakest batting side any International team ever had. The PCB and its 'vintage' supremoes are equally responsible for the demise of Pakistan Cricket. The whole PCB needs a complete overhaul if Pakistan Cricket is to be resurrected.

  • POSTED BY amumtaz on | June 11, 2013, 10:11 GMT

    It's time to take the bitter pill. The itsy bitsy players like Kamran Akmal, Shoaib Malik, and Imran Farhat, need to be dropped and forgotten good. They need to be replaced by upcoming young 20 something who have the potential to be great for the future of Pakistan.

    In all the matches played by Imran, not once has he won anything for Pakistan. Shoaib Malik has never really performed outside the subcontinent and Kamran's keeping might have improved but his batting is pathetic and highly unreliable and certainly not International match worthy.

  • POSTED BY golgo_85 on | June 11, 2013, 9:23 GMT

    Pakistan will never achieve anything substantial from this moment on as long as they have players like Hafeez, K Akmal, S Malik, I Farhat, Wahab Riaz in a squad. 2 years ago, you would think they had it right with A Shehzad and U Akmal making significant impact, Hamad Azam was ready to be groomed. But they expected U Akmal, a 20 year old, to play with immense responsibility and when he failed, he was dropped. Whenever he did come back he played a few uncharacteristically restrained innings. You can't do that to an up and coming stroke maker like him. He needed and still needs to play his natural game. Shehzad should have been an established opener alongside Jamshed by now.When you drop Afridi, you must replace him with another bowling allrounder, Hamad Azam could've found a place in that void, the same way Misbah had filled in for Mohammad Yousuf. In these conditions you needed experience, you needed a seam bowling allrounder. Brainless team selection has cost Pakistan too many matches

  • POSTED BY naeemhussain on | June 11, 2013, 9:10 GMT

    As long Pakistan will not try new blood it can not hope for any improvement in its batting performance. What the hell Imran Farhat, Shoaib Malik, Kamran Akmal doing in the team. Hafeez never clicks when it is needed. It is time to bring in Asad Shafiq, Umer Amin, Haris Sohail and some youngsters from domestic cricket and Rizwan as wicketkeeper.

  • POSTED BY veeezel on | June 11, 2013, 9:10 GMT

    Very good written i personally believe IQBAL QASIM should replace as Pakistan President because his selection policy is as much shamblle as our president's i dont want to go in the details because then my views will not be printted Misbah is saying they were the best batsmen in Pakistan when they were picked then what about younis khan , ahmed shahzad ,umer akmal, harris sohail i bet they average more and their strike rate will be even better then these players. why asad shafique was the only player got dropped for a crucial game agains SA and out of sort umer amin was pushed in Asad would have been better option on edgbaston pitch which was not as bouncy and pacy like oval.NO hope under this same system we are loosing 9 out of 10 games due to poor batting & no one has done any thing to sort it out why is that impossible thing or we are in competant to do that or what we need answers & we deserve to as well we give our time and money to this team....

  • POSTED BY on | June 11, 2013, 9:07 GMT

    there is no place for farhat n malik n i never understand y malik is being selected lots of politics involved .even in t20 worldcup the team does nt hv t20 players now in chapions trphy we need champions players .nowdays u must have a batting powerpack if u hav a weak bowling u can survive but with the weak batting u cannot .big example is INDIA they never had a good bowling attack but brilliant batting squad pak is fortunate they have good bowlers n batsmen but good bowlers get the chance n batsmen never get selected. pak who support afridi doesnt understand cricket ,its not hitting a 100 m six after decades ,its reliabilty ,strength support patience judgement adaptibility n much more .i dont think pak can win any tournament with that type of players,they hardly win matches if batsmen clicks otherwise flopped.i m sorry for misbah who is a good cricketer n his exit will be like inzi who performed well in wc 07 n rest didnt perform bt he was the one who was blamed n axed. best of luck

  • POSTED BY on | June 11, 2013, 8:44 GMT

    I think the reason for Pakistan's poor batting is their attitude towards it. There are two extremes of Paks batting - you either play aggressively or go into the defensive mode. There is nothing in between. I believe they have always played their best when they are aggressive and thats the way to go about it. Even if that doesnt come off, i still think thats good enough as it shows intent to the opposing team and thats what was missing in Paks batting. There is no point in overhauling the whole batting team hwevr and bringing in new players. we need an aggressive player along with nasir Jamshed up the order ..perhaps AHmed Shahzad is a good option. Asad shafiq should always be there in the team alongwith umer amin. Shoaib Malik, Imran Farhat and Kamran Akmal should be kicked out and Hammad Azam should be bought in along with a genuine keeper who can bat a bit. Also if Paks strength is their bowling then they should play with 4 fast bowlers(irfan,junaid,asad ali and wahab) & 2 spinners

  • POSTED BY on | June 11, 2013, 8:43 GMT

    A perfect example of how a defensive leader can turn a naturally aggressive team into an bunch of individuals completely out-of-thoughts. He has brainwashed young minds of Pakistan Cricket with his over-defensive approach. He has made every batsmen think so much about their shots, that now their strenghts had been turned into their weaknesses. Misbah is doing biggest disservice to Cricket Pakistan.The flair and aggression we loved in Pakistan Cricket is disappearing quickly.

  • POSTED BY on | June 11, 2013, 8:24 GMT

    Right before ICC Champions Trophy pakistan had the presidents one day championship, Jamshaid ave 8.75 35 runs in 4 matches with 0 100 and 0 50s, farhat ave 23.60 scored 118 runs in 5 matches with 0 100 and 0 fifty, hafeez ave 34.00 scored 204 in 6 matches with 0 100 and 2 50, Malik ave 44.00 scored 132 runs in 3 matches 1 100 and 0 50, umar Amin ave 54.50 scored 218 runs in 4 games 1 100 and 0 50s,

    how can these people be selected to play for pakistan when they don't score in domestic tournaments ...........there should be benchmarks that all players should be measured by........... players have to play so many domestic Games and score so many runs and have a certain ave to be selected

  • POSTED BY Behind_the_Wicket on | June 11, 2013, 8:17 GMT

    Thsese days , I hardly believe game of cricket is a mind game a. you don't consider it chess but the ICC rules make it a little intelligent's game. From over number one to end filed restrictions , Usage of DRS , Play according to situation and Pakistan is missing all these things and these things also depend on a captain , Misbah is performing well as a batsman but he has another rule of leader but he is not working at up to the mark.Imran Farhat , Shoaib Malik and Kamran Akmal are repeating their habits again & again but our selectors are very keen to take with team.I know when Hafeez & Nasir were opening our team was a little better than today Or when Kamran Akmal with Hafeez they were also good ,Nasir Jamshaid is good player and he can play onedown as well If Hafeez & Kamran Akmal open.Drop Farhat ,Bring back Asad Shafiq ,Umar Amin is good give him more chance n let him bowl also.We need to drop also Malik but no another batsman in the squad.

  • POSTED BY Rahul_78 on | June 11, 2013, 8:10 GMT

    It was painful to see Misbah being booed by the fans. Pakistani fans should realize if not for him they might have been bundled out for less then 100 in both the matches of the tournament. Dont look as though the captain enjoys 100% support of his squad. Malik and Akmal have always been dividing influence in the team in the past and less said about Farhat the better. High time Pakistan should invest in youngsters like Ahmad Shahzad and Hamad Azam. Misbah and Dave Whatmore should be given more authority in team selection and building the team for the future.

  • POSTED BY mrgupta on | June 11, 2013, 8:08 GMT

    Waiting eagerly to see the Struggling Pak batting against the tournament's weakest bowling (India) on the coming weekend. If this Pak batting fails against Indian bowling then really they should think about taking a break from International Cricket for sometime.

  • POSTED BY hamza1982 on | June 11, 2013, 7:49 GMT

    Its so obvious that the problem is Malik Farhat and Akmal. There is some form of corruption/nepotism that is keeping them in the team. There are plenty of batters in Pakistan, they are just not being selected. But its been typical of some fickle Pak fans who will use this as an excuse to for some absurd reason pick on Misbah. Hes a Legend. Its the other three who are the problem.

  • POSTED BY on | June 11, 2013, 7:41 GMT

    I am an Indian, but a huge fan of pakistan bowling. My heart goes out for them. I think what Pakistan needs is a brave captain like MS Dhoni. He built a team player by player and now India is gaining from that. Misbah in my opinion is a cautious captain and his style of captaincy is not suited for ODIs. Their batting needs a complete overhaul.

  • POSTED BY ishrat1971 on | June 11, 2013, 7:37 GMT

    The way things are going if I was given the seat of Chairman of selectors I would revamp the batting to include Ahmed Shezad and Azhar Ali as openers with Nasir coming in at 3 Misbah 4 Umer Akmal 5 Asad Shafiq 6 Adnan Akmal/ sarfaraz 7 Harris Sohail at 8 Ajmal 9 Junaid 10 Giant at 11. I would also inculde Rehman on my reserves with umer amin have Azhar Ali develop his leggies so that he wouldd take a few overs. Harris is an all rounder with the reputation of being a big hitter. Invest in youth and pay attention to Misbahs fitness he should be around for another 2 years. Hafeez cannot justify his place any more Adnan Akmal can bat way better than Kamran.

  • POSTED BY EX-EY on | June 11, 2013, 7:28 GMT

    Totally agree with "UAETigers". This all is about the tactics and playing style of the team leader affecting everybody's performance. Misbah is solely a very old tactic player when teams use to be very happy after just scoring 200-220 runs. Time has changed, game has changed.....today's winning tactics have changed and so Misbah need to be changed as well...

  • POSTED BY zig1 on | June 11, 2013, 7:16 GMT

    If Pak selectors can persist so long with non performing players like Malik, Farhat, Kamran it will not be a bad idea to bring back Younis Khan, Mahmood. Age should not be a factor for performance as Misbah has shown . The body language itself of Shoaib Malik on the field doesnt inspire confidence when he came to bowl or bat against SA.

  • POSTED BY on | June 11, 2013, 6:52 GMT

    Let's go back a couple of years: we had played the final of a WC, won an ODI series in NZ and WI, had a talented young opener on the horizon in the name of Shahzad who had just notched a couple of hundreds. We had a couple of fine young middle order batsmen in Umar in Shafiq and the team was on the up. 2 years down the road, Shahzad and Umar are watching every game we play from Lahore while Asad has only played around 25/50 games in two years time. The team which was booming on young talent a couple of years ago have Frhat and Malik in the team now. Msbah ( batting superman) has played his part in bringing these average players back and has payed no heed on developing young batsmen. Imagine if these young guns had been given a consistent run without dropping them so often, we wouldn't have found ourselves in this deep hole. The selection committee and the captain must take blame for selecting and playing a below par team for the last 2 years.We have the talent but we need to play ' em.

  • POSTED BY on | June 11, 2013, 6:47 GMT

    This is one of the most brave and truthful articles written at cricinfo. This must be sent to PCB chiefs as it may offer some insight. Misbah i think deserves this type of performance as has been equally responsible of putting weight in favour of these useless players' selection. Malik, Farhat, Akmal have contributed what ever they could and we should not expect any miracles from them. Hafeez is flat track bully. PCB and Misbah are unable to groom any player for the finisher's role and there is no young allrounder after Razzaq, Azhar and Afridi. We couldn't slot in a young allrounder primarily because we gave way too many chances to razzak and afridi.

  • POSTED BY UAETigers on | June 11, 2013, 6:46 GMT

    Totally agrees with IAS2009, it's Misbah's caution and "Safety First" Attitude that's causing us every game!! Players like Hafeez and Nasir are best when they are playing natural i.e. aggressive cricket!! Even yesterday Misbah didnt tried any of the big shot at any point of his batting and he hit them after run rate reached 9. What's the point of doing caution batting when chasing 250 or below. Batsmen should be allowed to play for score not play to count balls. He is using same approach since he captained the side and he has never learned or listen to anyone about changing the tactic. Please let him play as a batsmen only and make Hafeez Captain of both T20 and ODI. Replace NOBATMSEN like Imran and Shoaib and Umer Amin. Have atleast 2-3 batsmen for Test team and do not include them in T20 or ODI.

  • POSTED BY IMcricfan on | June 11, 2013, 6:45 GMT

    Barring Misbah, there's no batsman worth his salt in the Pakistani team. Nasir Jamshed is ok but he needs able support from the other end as an opener.For all I can recollect Hafeez keeps getting out the same way all the time.

  • POSTED BY Blue_Devil on | June 11, 2013, 6:31 GMT

    The batting failed yet again! Management need to drop the old horses - Farhat, Shoaib, and Kamran - for good. Moreover, Hafeez is simply not good enough to be in the top order and should play as an allrounder batting in the middle order. The future depends on the youngsters. We need to persist and groom the likes of potential stars like Asad Shafiq and Azhar Ali as well as promising youngsters like Haris Sohail and Hammad Azam.

  • POSTED BY LongLiveTestCricket on | June 11, 2013, 6:26 GMT

    Its really unfortunate that the team selection has been really poor from Pakistan. Players like Azhar Ali have been criticised time ang again for their strike rate, but then when you are not even coming close to batting 50 overs thensurely they are the guys you have to look forward to. I remember India recalling Dravid after 2 years in the England ODI series in 2011 because it was looking increasingly difficult. Also not sure what wrong have Umar Akmal and Razzaq done to be left out in favour of these guys. In the past also Pakistan had 3-4 very good quality batsman such as Inzy, Yousuf, Younis who would carry a lot of the burden of poor top order performances but they seem not to have groomed anybody except for Nasir Jamshed and Azhar Ali who emerged from test cricket. Look at England also, they have top 3 playing in a defensive mode but ensure more often than not that 50 overs are utilised even in challenging conditions

  • POSTED BY TNAmarkFromIndia on | June 11, 2013, 6:25 GMT

    Maybe Pakistan should merge into India. That way, we can have their great bowling unit and they can enjoy our great batting unit. We'd be the most difficult team to beat since the glory days of Australia.

  • POSTED BY EX-EY on | June 11, 2013, 6:22 GMT

    I am really sorry about the people who are still praising Misbah. Since 2009, only 5 times Pakistani team has scored over 300 runs and only 7 times beween 270 and 300 in ODIs. This stat is out of 100 ODI matches paki team have played since 2009. I really dont know how and why somebody is still thinking that Misbah is a good player. He was may be a good test player but never was a ODI player of any category rather a Captain. I hope PCB can get these analysis too.......

  • POSTED BY deoshatwar on | June 11, 2013, 6:00 GMT

    The only way Imran and Shaib can drop themselves is to find alternatives with decent enough promise that will outweigh the experience they bring to the table. Pakistan simply do not have alternatives!!

  • POSTED BY on | June 11, 2013, 5:54 GMT

    @sidganesh: I fear the same; the likes of Malik, Haffeez will take a heavy toll on the pathetic Indian attack. if India has to qualify for SF, it has to be today against the WI.

  • POSTED BY FurqanKhan on | June 11, 2013, 5:48 GMT

    people were saying pakistan as favourites before this tournament...but how on earthhh...when i looked down their performances in Scotland and Ireland...i was sure this batting line up wont score in excess of 200 in english conditions...!!! they were about 140 odd for 6 against scotland then misba rescued them...Ireland nearly chased down 275 on a beutiful batting track where pak shud hav scored 30 more runs...then kamraan luckily got runs with wahab where they wud hav losttt...!!!then how on earth sumone expectd them to win in english conditions...i dont knw why Imran farhat, Shoaib malik, and even hafeez at the top of the order doingg...Hafeez keeps getting out the same way and looks to add no improvement in his technique..

  • POSTED BY on | June 11, 2013, 5:44 GMT

    instead of going back to afridi and co we should give more opportunities to these guys like umar amin , asad shafiq and other youngsters. farhat and malik should be dropped.

  • POSTED BY Brendan92 on | June 11, 2013, 5:39 GMT

    I've no idea why Imran Farhat is in the side. I feel time's up for Shoaib Malik. The batting department of Pakistan should go for a revamp. Get in Ahmed Shehzad. Palyers like Umar Amin won't do. Very moderate List A record & struggle against bounce was always on the cards. Pakistan should blood some potential young batsman with decent List A records.

  • POSTED BY CricketingStargazer on | June 11, 2013, 5:35 GMT

    So far we have seen eight limited, but willing sides compete in this tournament. Does no one want to win it? For many, Pakistan were the favourites. Such are the rules that they could still win the tournament but the many fans around the world who admire their team - including many neutrals - have been bitterly disappointed with what we have seen so far.

  • POSTED BY Fast_Track_Bully on | June 11, 2013, 5:33 GMT

    Pakistani claimed that they are fresh and injury free because of no IPL. But at the end of the day, results shows that you cannot blame it on IPL. If you do not have bench strength, you have to use failed resources again and again.

  • POSTED BY Magic11 on | June 11, 2013, 5:31 GMT

    @Rohit Balodi: wheres the like button? I wanna press it 10000 times

  • POSTED BY sidganesh on | June 11, 2013, 5:18 GMT

    Wait till Pak play Ind. Malik will score a century and all his failures will be forgotten. As an outsider, it is shocking that a young player of Umar Akmal's calibre has not been picked.

  • POSTED BY on | June 11, 2013, 5:18 GMT

    send misbah to indian team, pakistan team does not deserve him

  • POSTED BY BozoSri on | June 11, 2013, 5:17 GMT

    If someone is making the case for Afridi's inclusion in the squad, no need. His bowling is not required as the Pakistani team are bowling very well without him. And they have stacked the team with batsmen who are doing the same thing he has been doing for a decade, i.e getting out before anybody notices that you came out to bat. So there is no case for his inclusion, yet Afridi to his fans is like sugar candy to a diabetic patient. You know it is bad for you but you just cant resist it.

  • POSTED BY on | June 11, 2013, 4:34 GMT

    Pakistani fans dont deserve misbah as a capatain. Most unnapreciative fans in the world. people from other countries realize the value of this great player.

  • POSTED BY on | June 11, 2013, 4:32 GMT

    This ethnicity of Pakistan just can not bat this is how simple it is i.e. too many players are from one state by force not by merit!!

  • POSTED BY vswami on | June 11, 2013, 4:02 GMT

    I think the Pakistani fans are being too harsh on their batsmen. To expect first class players from subcontinent who have not been exposed to much international class cricket at home to come and fire in England straightaway is too much to ask for. Pakistan is struggling with lack of international cricket at home and these kind of debacles are bound to happen. It would be a miracle for the opposite to take place.

  • POSTED BY on | June 11, 2013, 4:00 GMT

    There is only one solution for this entire mess..... :-) Merge the Indian and Pakistan Cricket team.....we have great batsmen, They have Great Bowlers.....come what may we together will be champions of all three formats :-)

    May be day dreaming I am but cant we just import/export few of their bowlers with a few batsmen in exchange :-)

  • POSTED BY on | June 11, 2013, 3:39 GMT

    Misbah is a misfit in this Pakistani team :-) He speaks well, carries himself with dignity, is the lone batsman worth a place in any international line-up, but yet does not have the support of the Pakistani players aor the public who clamor for the likes of Afridi who is well past his expiry date. Allah, save their batting, if he plans to quit which by the way is not very far!

  • POSTED BY TeamSelector on | June 11, 2013, 2:50 GMT

    Finally ... someone with guts to tell it like it is. This is one of the the most brutal, but shockingly truthful article ever written here on CricInfo. If this does not serve as a wake up call for the Pakistani selectors, then nothing ever will. Even an Associate team will destroy this current Pakistan team. Kudos to you, George Dobell ...

  • POSTED BY Ali752 on | June 11, 2013, 2:41 GMT

    yes i agree, this was predictable but as a pak fan you could only hope for some miracle! Unfortunately there wasnt an unpredictable player in the team this time to provide us with that miracle. Even though misbah says it was the best possible selection, i disagree... we all are sick of imran farhat and shoaib malik for a long time now. Afridi and umar akmal would have done better than these two. Some people say umar akmal and afridi were dropped rightly but these 2 would have atleast scored a quick 30 unlike farhat and malik who cant even score 10. Also this was not the time to test umar amin! not in this important tournament! instead of umar amin Azhar Ali or asad shafiq should have played to add stability. Asad should have played this match instead of umar amin. So although pak might have the weakest batting among all teams including the minnows, they should've done better in terms of selection. Also bring back mohammad yousaf! if a 39 year old misbah can play then mo'yo can play too

  • POSTED BY Mel-waas on | June 11, 2013, 2:14 GMT

    "Sometimes you wonder what Imran Farhat or Shoaib Malik have to do to be dropped' the line of the year. well said Geroge... Shoaib Malik since he has returned to the side in 2010 has failed unprecedented number of times. Yet never fails to get selected or promoted. Umar Amin is not ready for International cricket especially for a crunch game like this. Asad Shafiq should not have been dropped. He did got a 'Duck' last game but he wasn't the only duckling on the Duck farm.

  • POSTED BY farrukharif on | June 11, 2013, 1:49 GMT

    I don't agree with Misbah on that these are the 6 best batsmen Pakistan have got. Its not necessary that a batsman who have top scored in domestic is an international commodity but same is true otherwise. Thus, it's just that the selectors have not shown any courage and creativity to select batsman with solid techniques but rather did it on domestic records. Umar Amin is perfect example, he already failed in England in 2010 with poor technique but has been re-picked on his recent form in domestic. Then its Misbah himself, Imran Khan worked hard to change "safety first attitude to Win it attitude" that not only improved bowling culture but also helped producing attacking batsman like Saeed, Aamir, Inzi, Misbah's "waiting game" attitude have changed approach of batsmen towards game. Its' a one dimensional batting lineup with no flair. Perfect example is Nasir Jamshed, he is at his best when attacking but he played like Misbah, 42 on 30 balls would have thrown away fear in rest

  • POSTED BY akc5247 on | June 11, 2013, 1:46 GMT

    Respect to Misbah. Agree with you in that Shoaib Malik and Imran Farhat are not international class - at least - not now (and maybe never will be).

    Imran Nazir is certainly an option. He might fail, but he won't have used up 60 balls and scored just 5-10 runs before getting out.

    Misbah and the bowlers apart, rest won't be a part of even the USA cricket team. A shame is what the team is - as simple as that.

  • POSTED BY Zahidsaltin on | June 11, 2013, 1:20 GMT

    Just Like fate of all other institutions, Pakistan Cricket is sinking as well. When incompetent people rein PCB for all the other reasons than the game of cricket, then one doesn't need to expect anything better than what is on display here. This team could easily have had lost the series to Ireland if it hadn't been an unusual innings from Wahab Riaz. Ask the chief selector Iqbal Kasim and the only answer you will get from him is that he selected the players the captain and the coach asked for but no one wants to ask the next question, that what is the need for selectors if they only have to announce what the captain and the coaches ask for. Players with batting averages in 20s and that too accumulated against minnows are enjoying such a solid place in the team as if they were Tandulkars and Amlas. But they are never shown the door where as talented kids like Umar Akmal, Haris Sohail, Usman Sallahudin wait for mercy.

  • POSTED BY on | June 11, 2013, 1:11 GMT

    So Pakistan's campaign lasted less time than Bambi's against Godzilla. And I am confident Bambi would have a higher batting average than Imran Farhat & Co if Godzilla challenged her to a game of cricket AFTER HE HAD FOUR limbs chopped off (as south Africa did)

    SA was missing its top 2 ODI bats and top 4 ODI bowlers.

    Pakistan was missing 22 balls

  • POSTED BY IAS2009 on | June 11, 2013, 1:10 GMT

    the example set by misbah to bat un purposely is costing pakistan games since misbah is in team as captain and player. remember WC semifinal, Pakistan have lost games in the past and it stinked back then also but latest losses stinks in the manner they loose, here is the scenario, bat like a test mach till 40 overs and try to score 200 runs in last 10. the problem is it works 10 percent of time, Misbah's scores and average does not mean anything, his strike rate of 30 looses the game the late hitting he does makes his own stat better but check out the outcome of the game 90 percent of time Pakistan loose the game. what happend to art of rotating the strike, on slow pitch what is the point of blocking and then throw wicket away when you try to hit and ball is not coming to bat. please remove Misbah and save this team, we need a aggressive captain. All the losses have the same script. What is the point if the bowlers if you can't score.

  • POSTED BY RodStark on | June 11, 2013, 0:43 GMT

    In the interests of global cricket it would be nice if the ICC or someone could work out a scheme where players from "disadvantaged" countries got more opportunities to play domestic cricket overseas. I can't be bothered to check, but I don't think there are many if any candidates for the national teams of Pakistan, SL, WI, NZ, Bangladesh, or Zimbabwe currently being used as overseas players by the English counties. Instead they tend to choose mostly mediocre Australians and South Africans. Of course, you can't just dictate who the counties have to select, but why not set up a good scholarship-type program where developing players from these countries could be subsidized in some way?

  • POSTED BY RodStark on | June 11, 2013, 0:43 GMT

    In the interests of global cricket it would be nice if the ICC or someone could work out a scheme where players from "disadvantaged" countries got more opportunities to play domestic cricket overseas. I can't be bothered to check, but I don't think there are many if any candidates for the national teams of Pakistan, SL, WI, NZ, Bangladesh, or Zimbabwe currently being used as overseas players by the English counties. Instead they tend to choose mostly mediocre Australians and South Africans. Of course, you can't just dictate who the counties have to select, but why not set up a good scholarship-type program where developing players from these countries could be subsidized in some way?

  • POSTED BY IAS2009 on | June 11, 2013, 1:10 GMT

    the example set by misbah to bat un purposely is costing pakistan games since misbah is in team as captain and player. remember WC semifinal, Pakistan have lost games in the past and it stinked back then also but latest losses stinks in the manner they loose, here is the scenario, bat like a test mach till 40 overs and try to score 200 runs in last 10. the problem is it works 10 percent of time, Misbah's scores and average does not mean anything, his strike rate of 30 looses the game the late hitting he does makes his own stat better but check out the outcome of the game 90 percent of time Pakistan loose the game. what happend to art of rotating the strike, on slow pitch what is the point of blocking and then throw wicket away when you try to hit and ball is not coming to bat. please remove Misbah and save this team, we need a aggressive captain. All the losses have the same script. What is the point if the bowlers if you can't score.

  • POSTED BY on | June 11, 2013, 1:11 GMT

    So Pakistan's campaign lasted less time than Bambi's against Godzilla. And I am confident Bambi would have a higher batting average than Imran Farhat & Co if Godzilla challenged her to a game of cricket AFTER HE HAD FOUR limbs chopped off (as south Africa did)

    SA was missing its top 2 ODI bats and top 4 ODI bowlers.

    Pakistan was missing 22 balls

  • POSTED BY Zahidsaltin on | June 11, 2013, 1:20 GMT

    Just Like fate of all other institutions, Pakistan Cricket is sinking as well. When incompetent people rein PCB for all the other reasons than the game of cricket, then one doesn't need to expect anything better than what is on display here. This team could easily have had lost the series to Ireland if it hadn't been an unusual innings from Wahab Riaz. Ask the chief selector Iqbal Kasim and the only answer you will get from him is that he selected the players the captain and the coach asked for but no one wants to ask the next question, that what is the need for selectors if they only have to announce what the captain and the coaches ask for. Players with batting averages in 20s and that too accumulated against minnows are enjoying such a solid place in the team as if they were Tandulkars and Amlas. But they are never shown the door where as talented kids like Umar Akmal, Haris Sohail, Usman Sallahudin wait for mercy.

  • POSTED BY akc5247 on | June 11, 2013, 1:46 GMT

    Respect to Misbah. Agree with you in that Shoaib Malik and Imran Farhat are not international class - at least - not now (and maybe never will be).

    Imran Nazir is certainly an option. He might fail, but he won't have used up 60 balls and scored just 5-10 runs before getting out.

    Misbah and the bowlers apart, rest won't be a part of even the USA cricket team. A shame is what the team is - as simple as that.

  • POSTED BY farrukharif on | June 11, 2013, 1:49 GMT

    I don't agree with Misbah on that these are the 6 best batsmen Pakistan have got. Its not necessary that a batsman who have top scored in domestic is an international commodity but same is true otherwise. Thus, it's just that the selectors have not shown any courage and creativity to select batsman with solid techniques but rather did it on domestic records. Umar Amin is perfect example, he already failed in England in 2010 with poor technique but has been re-picked on his recent form in domestic. Then its Misbah himself, Imran Khan worked hard to change "safety first attitude to Win it attitude" that not only improved bowling culture but also helped producing attacking batsman like Saeed, Aamir, Inzi, Misbah's "waiting game" attitude have changed approach of batsmen towards game. Its' a one dimensional batting lineup with no flair. Perfect example is Nasir Jamshed, he is at his best when attacking but he played like Misbah, 42 on 30 balls would have thrown away fear in rest

  • POSTED BY Mel-waas on | June 11, 2013, 2:14 GMT

    "Sometimes you wonder what Imran Farhat or Shoaib Malik have to do to be dropped' the line of the year. well said Geroge... Shoaib Malik since he has returned to the side in 2010 has failed unprecedented number of times. Yet never fails to get selected or promoted. Umar Amin is not ready for International cricket especially for a crunch game like this. Asad Shafiq should not have been dropped. He did got a 'Duck' last game but he wasn't the only duckling on the Duck farm.

  • POSTED BY Ali752 on | June 11, 2013, 2:41 GMT

    yes i agree, this was predictable but as a pak fan you could only hope for some miracle! Unfortunately there wasnt an unpredictable player in the team this time to provide us with that miracle. Even though misbah says it was the best possible selection, i disagree... we all are sick of imran farhat and shoaib malik for a long time now. Afridi and umar akmal would have done better than these two. Some people say umar akmal and afridi were dropped rightly but these 2 would have atleast scored a quick 30 unlike farhat and malik who cant even score 10. Also this was not the time to test umar amin! not in this important tournament! instead of umar amin Azhar Ali or asad shafiq should have played to add stability. Asad should have played this match instead of umar amin. So although pak might have the weakest batting among all teams including the minnows, they should've done better in terms of selection. Also bring back mohammad yousaf! if a 39 year old misbah can play then mo'yo can play too

  • POSTED BY TeamSelector on | June 11, 2013, 2:50 GMT

    Finally ... someone with guts to tell it like it is. This is one of the the most brutal, but shockingly truthful article ever written here on CricInfo. If this does not serve as a wake up call for the Pakistani selectors, then nothing ever will. Even an Associate team will destroy this current Pakistan team. Kudos to you, George Dobell ...

  • POSTED BY on | June 11, 2013, 3:39 GMT

    Misbah is a misfit in this Pakistani team :-) He speaks well, carries himself with dignity, is the lone batsman worth a place in any international line-up, but yet does not have the support of the Pakistani players aor the public who clamor for the likes of Afridi who is well past his expiry date. Allah, save their batting, if he plans to quit which by the way is not very far!