England v India, Champions Trophy, final, Edgbaston June 21, 2013

England have 'proved people wrong' - Trott

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Jonathan Trott believes England have "proved a few people wrong" about their approach to one-day cricket by reaching the Champions Trophy final and putting themselves within one win of their first piece of 50-over global silverware.

Throughout this tournament, especially after the defeat to Sri Lanka at The Oval which left them needing to win every subsequent match, England's tactics have been picked apart. The chief area for debate has been the top-order, of which Trott is a crucial part, and whether they score at the tempo required in modern one-day cricket.

Eoin Morgan and Jos Buttler have had lean tournaments with the bat - although Ravi Bopara has provided late impetus - but England have rigidly stuck to their formula and order, even in the 24-over contest against New Zealand, which was win or bust for them.

In that game they were led by Alastair Cook's 47-ball 64 and Trott says that the rest of the team feed off the example laid down by their captain, who is leading in a global event for the first time, and that they have the utmost belief in how they approach the game.

"A lot of people were a bit sceptical," Trott said. "But this team has proved a few people wrong with regards to their takes on the game of cricket and how it should be played.

"He's a really good leader and he's always got the backing of the changing room, for whatever he decides is the direction of this team. He's fully in charge, with Andy Flower and Ashley Giles, and the guys are always following him."

There has been plenty for Cook to deal with during this tournament, from the fallout of David Warner's punch at Joe Root in a Birmingham bar to the accusations of ball-tampering, which started to fly around after the defeat to Sri Lanka. Trott, though, said Cook had taken everything in his stride as he has since making his England debut in 2006.

"He got brought in and played straightaway as opening batsman and captain, from not having played," he said. "A lesser person could have maybe buckled under the pressure. We've seen how he handles pressure, going to India for his first tour as Test captain and winning there - and now this."

There is added significance for Trott with the final being staged at his home ground of Edgbaston - the same applies to Ian Bell, Chris Woakes (who has not featured during the tournament) and the coach Ashley Giles, who was previously in charge at Warwickshire - and the prospect of a defining match in England's history at a place he knows so well had long been in Trott's sights.

"You always have a little cheeky sneak at the fixtures, and where the final is going to be played, and I was very excited about getting here - and it's happened. For me personally, I'm very excited. The guys are looking to seize the opportunity. They don't come around very often."

The most recent major final England played in was the 2010 World Twenty20 in Barbados where they beat Australia to claim their only piece of global silverware. From that team there could be four players appear in this match, although it could be as few as two.

The management will have to make a decision whether to stick with the same bowling that demolished South Africa. Steven Finn played his first match of the tournament, claiming the vital wicket of Hashim Amla, while James Tredwell continued to deputise superbly for Graeme Swann and earned the Man-of-the-Match award.

Tredwell could earn a place in the team by right, regardless of Swann's fitness, but on a ground where the surface can encourage reverse swing Bresnan, now a father after the birth of Max Geoffrey, is slight favourite to be preferred over Finn.

If you ask any of those involved in staging or promoting the Champions Trophy, England versus India is probably the final they will have dreamt of. Home side pitted against the powerhouse of world cricket.

What they won't have dreamt of is the less-than-ideal forecast for Sunday which currently predicts rain of varying heaviness throughout the day. Even for the final there is no reserve day. In 2002 the trophy was shared when India and Sri Lanka could not complete a match even with two days at their disposal because the match had to restart on the second day.

England trained at Edgbaston on Friday but India opted for a day off following their victory against Sri Lanka.

Andrew McGlashan is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo

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  • IndiaNumeroUno on June 24, 2013, 10:33 GMT

    Only matches meaningless to most of the cricketing world (like ashes etc) are fit to be staged in England... anything more serious should be hosted in places where it does not rain 12 months a year.

  • uppercuts on June 23, 2013, 7:49 GMT

    2 years after WC 1983 India went on to win the 1985 B&H World series, India won every match of the tournament. Except the finals, they had bowled out their opponents in every match. New opener Ravi Shastri was a revelation and won the Man of the Series. Do we see History repeating itself today (India may not have bowled out their opponents in all the matches but were very close to that) . My feel is YES.

  • on June 23, 2013, 4:35 GMT

    @Jose sir you can give reasons for SL defeat but india are playing at their best.if england were instead of SL they would have tasted defeat not success.Toss is no matter for Dhoni. He rarely gets it right. Ex : WC 2011 final

  • Lion83 on June 23, 2013, 1:47 GMT

    England will win the cup because they can trouble overrated indian top order easily. Toss will play a big part in the game like in the semi final

  • JG2704 on June 22, 2013, 20:03 GMT

    @sandy7823 on (June 22, 2013, 13:13 GMT) What is the point in posting all these facts and figures? This is a one off game in what is supposed to be a gentleman's sport. Do you want me to start reminding you of how things finished up for India in the last Asia cup , or the last trilateral tournament in Australia? Come on man - please have some respect for the game

  • JG2704 on June 22, 2013, 20:02 GMT

    @GRVJPR on (June 22, 2013, 10:03 GMT) It's just a game and yes it will be an upset if Eng win , but my post was about people making excuses and you've just proved me to be spot on

  • JG2704 on June 22, 2013, 20:01 GMT

    @Cpt.Meanster - I see you've got your excuses re the rain ready - just in case it all goes wrong tomorrow AVS is giving you the facts. Not one is untrue. I'm a sensible England fan (a sensible fan is one who can see the flaws as well as the positives) and I'd say that India start as big favourites and India definitely are the better big tournament side. And yes I agree with you that they are not the best at defending totals on batting friendly pitches or even setting big totals on such pitches. But their results home and away in the last 18 months have been good. Since losing 5-0 to India at end of 2011 we have only lost 2 series , both by a single match. In India we won only lost 3-2. I guess it's how you define the word par. I'd always equate it with average and if England are playing all teams and winning more matches then they're losing that is surely above par - no?

  • YorkshirePudding on June 22, 2013, 17:17 GMT

    @Ctp.Meanster, most fans know engand arnt that good travelling however look at the stats of England and india against major teams (exc Bangladesh & Zimbabwe), theres a curious pattern.

    Both teams are about on par at home against those teams, with England performing better in Pakistan, Aus, NZ and SA than India, but India doing better in WI, and SL.

    It should also be noted that India does better in England than England does in India.

    Overall though England and India have very similar W/L ratios, of about .86 and .88 against the teams mentioned. This shows that the teams are pretty evenly matched overall so it should be a good final.

  • MrUmp on June 22, 2013, 16:44 GMT

    England actually have proved many people right - in England when conditions are damp then England are a force. It has NOT proven the fact that simply on normal conditions ( sun, warmth ) England are probably in the lower half - they would be lower if not for their bowling.

    To be frank the whole tournament is disappointing. India being the only team having shown some degree of consistency the others have let themselves and travelling fans down.

    With the weather as it is in England and more the fact it seems to be a growing trend of continual disruption dare I say England should not be a location of international tournaments of this stature - nothing kills the game's image than regular disruptions due to bad weather.

  • batman_gothamcity on June 22, 2013, 16:29 GMT

    @jose sir you have given 8 reasons why SL lost . Isnt it a simple fact that any team which losses will always have such multiple excuses.In such a scenario winning team should not be given any credit??.Accept the fact that India on the day were better team .hope you remember that WI struggled to get 171 and NZ huffed and puffed to get 139 whereas India chased comfortably We are proud of India in finals and may the best team win.

  • IndiaNumeroUno on June 24, 2013, 10:33 GMT

    Only matches meaningless to most of the cricketing world (like ashes etc) are fit to be staged in England... anything more serious should be hosted in places where it does not rain 12 months a year.

  • uppercuts on June 23, 2013, 7:49 GMT

    2 years after WC 1983 India went on to win the 1985 B&H World series, India won every match of the tournament. Except the finals, they had bowled out their opponents in every match. New opener Ravi Shastri was a revelation and won the Man of the Series. Do we see History repeating itself today (India may not have bowled out their opponents in all the matches but were very close to that) . My feel is YES.

  • on June 23, 2013, 4:35 GMT

    @Jose sir you can give reasons for SL defeat but india are playing at their best.if england were instead of SL they would have tasted defeat not success.Toss is no matter for Dhoni. He rarely gets it right. Ex : WC 2011 final

  • Lion83 on June 23, 2013, 1:47 GMT

    England will win the cup because they can trouble overrated indian top order easily. Toss will play a big part in the game like in the semi final

  • JG2704 on June 22, 2013, 20:03 GMT

    @sandy7823 on (June 22, 2013, 13:13 GMT) What is the point in posting all these facts and figures? This is a one off game in what is supposed to be a gentleman's sport. Do you want me to start reminding you of how things finished up for India in the last Asia cup , or the last trilateral tournament in Australia? Come on man - please have some respect for the game

  • JG2704 on June 22, 2013, 20:02 GMT

    @GRVJPR on (June 22, 2013, 10:03 GMT) It's just a game and yes it will be an upset if Eng win , but my post was about people making excuses and you've just proved me to be spot on

  • JG2704 on June 22, 2013, 20:01 GMT

    @Cpt.Meanster - I see you've got your excuses re the rain ready - just in case it all goes wrong tomorrow AVS is giving you the facts. Not one is untrue. I'm a sensible England fan (a sensible fan is one who can see the flaws as well as the positives) and I'd say that India start as big favourites and India definitely are the better big tournament side. And yes I agree with you that they are not the best at defending totals on batting friendly pitches or even setting big totals on such pitches. But their results home and away in the last 18 months have been good. Since losing 5-0 to India at end of 2011 we have only lost 2 series , both by a single match. In India we won only lost 3-2. I guess it's how you define the word par. I'd always equate it with average and if England are playing all teams and winning more matches then they're losing that is surely above par - no?

  • YorkshirePudding on June 22, 2013, 17:17 GMT

    @Ctp.Meanster, most fans know engand arnt that good travelling however look at the stats of England and india against major teams (exc Bangladesh & Zimbabwe), theres a curious pattern.

    Both teams are about on par at home against those teams, with England performing better in Pakistan, Aus, NZ and SA than India, but India doing better in WI, and SL.

    It should also be noted that India does better in England than England does in India.

    Overall though England and India have very similar W/L ratios, of about .86 and .88 against the teams mentioned. This shows that the teams are pretty evenly matched overall so it should be a good final.

  • MrUmp on June 22, 2013, 16:44 GMT

    England actually have proved many people right - in England when conditions are damp then England are a force. It has NOT proven the fact that simply on normal conditions ( sun, warmth ) England are probably in the lower half - they would be lower if not for their bowling.

    To be frank the whole tournament is disappointing. India being the only team having shown some degree of consistency the others have let themselves and travelling fans down.

    With the weather as it is in England and more the fact it seems to be a growing trend of continual disruption dare I say England should not be a location of international tournaments of this stature - nothing kills the game's image than regular disruptions due to bad weather.

  • batman_gothamcity on June 22, 2013, 16:29 GMT

    @jose sir you have given 8 reasons why SL lost . Isnt it a simple fact that any team which losses will always have such multiple excuses.In such a scenario winning team should not be given any credit??.Accept the fact that India on the day were better team .hope you remember that WI struggled to get 171 and NZ huffed and puffed to get 139 whereas India chased comfortably We are proud of India in finals and may the best team win.

  • SamikGhosh on June 22, 2013, 16:18 GMT

    Let's hope that the weather and pitch conditions remain the same throughout for a fair contest. May the better team win. I hope that the toss does not become a big factor.

  • on June 22, 2013, 15:50 GMT

    For Trott-bashers ( that includes me) Trott is playing a Dravid for Englnad. So, those of us who respect Dravid should respect Trott too. Of course, the corollary is that those who questioned Dravid playing ODI for India will question Trott too. That is fair; is it not?

  • on June 22, 2013, 15:43 GMT

    India has been playing very well in this tournament, no doubt. However there is excessive gloating over the pyrrhic victory over Sri Lanka, ignoring many fortuitous events.(1) A juicy pitch early in the game for more than an hour; (2) Dhoni winning the toss; (3) Djshan' injury; (4) Too many of the edges luckily going to the boundaries; (5) At least three chances during the opening partnership of 77 (On another day some of the outside edges would have gone to the fielders' grasp and some of the inside edges would have hit the stumps); (6) Many dropped catches; (7) Below par fielding by SL ( Usually their fielding is better). & (8) Nervous and stiff Captaincy by Angelo, who is still learning.

    Just to bring in a more balanced judgement, just imagine that at Cardiff,(1) it was England in place of SL and (2). England won the toss and inserted India in.... and so on.

    So, don't take England for granted. And hope that Dhoni wins the toss!

  • Cpt.Meanster on June 22, 2013, 15:33 GMT

    @A_Vacant_Slip: It's really surprising to me that those who claim to be "English" fans hardly know how to read the language. Please read my comment properly before you pass judgement about me. It is a world wide renowned fact that England are below par in "ODI" cricket. Perhaps I could have phrased that sentenced a bit better. Anyway moving on, England have a lot of work to do in ODI cricket. Outside of the UK, when the ball doesn't move, or when it is drier, they struggle to post targets and chase them down. Any sensible English fan would agree to that. In the UK, for the most part, their tactics work cause of the factors I mentioned in my previous comments. The swing, bounce and juicy conditions brings their quicks back in the equation. They get the opposition down and out early in the contest and then slowly chase down a par score with ease. Plus, the rain always helps England.

  • screamingeagle on June 22, 2013, 14:24 GMT

    Should be a good match. Forget the hype, these two teams are quite closely matched. India is not the runaway winners here. If the toss favours England, it might get interesting. One word to my Indian colleagues who are already celebrating. Go Easy on that, it is not over yet. Hope to see a good match which is fair to both sdes.

  • drake.nazir on June 22, 2013, 14:24 GMT

    @hhillbumper: Depending on how they lose, it says that India had a bad day or they need more practice.

  • on June 22, 2013, 14:01 GMT

    India team really did well throughout the tournament and proved a lot specially on bowling. So in my opinion they are hot favourite to win this competition.

  • on June 22, 2013, 14:00 GMT

    Well the only balanced side in the tournament is India they've got excellent bowling plus excellent batting.Specially Dhawan has been consistent in getting scores and is the leading run scorer. so India seems hot favorite to win the title. While England have not shown consistency in batting specially top order. Anyhow this will be a very tough final and a treat to watch. Bad luck for Pakistan, not even crossed 180. poor performance by batsmen plus bowlers.

  • Animesh08 on June 22, 2013, 13:33 GMT

    I do not agree with you Captain_Tuk_Tuk. India have beaten opponents like Pakistan & SA in the round robin stage who are considered pretty strong teams currently in ODI cricket whereas NZ is not that strong & even Australia is not the team it used to be when it had players like Ponting, Symonds, Gilchrist & Lee. Even the recent recent test series they played against India goes on to prove the same. It was the biggest test series loss Australia ever had. Moreover India have beaten Australia & SL in practise matches & is the only undefeated team in the series. They are only team who have looked like winning the tournament from ball one.

  • on June 22, 2013, 13:32 GMT

    England got lucky - weak pool and chokers in the semi. Tomorrow they get thrashed.

  • on June 22, 2013, 13:26 GMT

    i hope we have 50 overs match and the best team wins.

  • warneshane on June 22, 2013, 13:13 GMT

    Contd from prev…. Cook made 64/3 against NZL. NZL almost chased target set by ENG. SL chased ENG's target by hammering Jimmy, broad, Bresnan,Swann by non other famous carom ball bowled bowler Kulasekara with 38 ball 58. Depleted AUS also posts 221 against same Jimmy & co. ENG fans fancy on Butler & Morgan. A single match of 16 balls 47 against NZ predicts Butler can repeat again against RJ & Ashwin.

    ENG's latest score: 293/7, 269/6,169/10 in CT & 287/6,273/10,227/9 in NZL series. On these basis ENG is favourite. The performance of ENG is same as 2 years back. IND played with 4 batsman & 5 bowlers in CT 2013 and Won 4 /4. Can ENG fight against IND's mental toughness? Dreaming of ENG beat IND must be on reality. It should not be a fantasy dream. Those who talked about prev ENG experience of IND team must check that ENG struggled against 2nd String IND bowling attack. Then what now? Can ENG middle order & Morgy-Butler survive against RJ-Ashwin. Watch out Sunday. IND humiliate ENG.

  • warneshane on June 22, 2013, 13:04 GMT

    ENG drubbed IND 4-0 in Tests. 5 match ODI series in ENG of IND v/s ENG in Sept 2011. Rain intervened in all 5. 1st ODI washed out. Remaining all result by D/L. IND played with Parthiv, Rahane, Dravid, Pravin, Vinay, Munaf. ENG with almost same side as of today. IND batted first in all ODI & ENG was chasing.

    274/7 (50/50) ENG 27/2 (7.2/50) abandoned IND 187/8 (23/23) ENG 188/3 (22.1/23) ENG won IND 234/7 (50/50) ENG 218/7 (41.5/43, trgt: 218) ENG won IND 280/5 (50/50) ENG 270/8 (48.5/48.5, trgt: 271) TIED IND 304/6 (50/50) ENG 241/4 (32.2/34, trgt: 241) ENG won

    IND had chance in 1st ODI which washed away. Things would have been different if IND won it. IND was experimenting with 2nd string side. IND lost 3-0 with 1 tie. IND was almost won on 3 occasions but not. Things changed now except ENG. IND never forget those. Eng's top 3 stable and reliable performances in NZ ODIs & CT13 had been seen by world. ......to be contd

  • chandran1979 on June 22, 2013, 12:58 GMT

    I see this match as MSD Vs Cook, i.e.between two of the best Captains.As an Indian I fear Cook more than anyone else. He shares virtues with MSD. Cool headed, confident and good strategist on the field just like MSD.

  • whocareswhowins on June 22, 2013, 12:41 GMT

    England are a very good side, with a highly-regarded bowling attack and a steady, consistent batting line-up. IMO, England were one of the favourites before the tournament started, and that still remains the case. I hope the rain holds off and people get to see a great match between two good teams. Remember THE 2002 NatWest ODI ? Good luck to both teams !!

  • on June 22, 2013, 12:34 GMT

    England can upset the tables.

  • spiritwithin on June 22, 2013, 12:31 GMT

    @asithaSL..its nice to know that u remember players from U-19 WC,i think their are many such talented players from U-19 WC who gets lost afterwards though many had also made their names..there was one batsman from SL in last U-19WC who's said to be very promising,i dont know whether that batsman is Kusal perera or some other guy,any idea?

  • Captain_Tuk_Tuk on June 22, 2013, 11:55 GMT

    @Longhairrocks I am not from England I am from Pakistan and I am supporting England since tournament wasn't started. I have faith in A. Cook and co. I wasn't dis-hearted even when England lost a series against New Zealand. I know SA lost because England played well some might not agree with this fact, SA wasn't that strong from the start of the tournament, I want be briefing other facts here otherwise our Indian friends will think that I am supporting England because India is our rival. India have beaten SA, Pak and Westendies weaker opponents where as England have beaten New Zealand and Ausis whatever people say I still believe England is better side we never know what happen on give day as cricket is a funny game but its still 60% for England.

  • santhoo24 on June 22, 2013, 11:44 GMT

    Something must be working for Eng, their tactics, execution, fortune favoring them (although I don't like to use fortune as an excuse), or else they would have perished like the other six teams. No body knows what lies ahead, who might be the winners, it could be both Ind and Eng if it rains, or if the teams end up with same score, or it could be either of the teams winning. My best wishes to both teams and here's to hope the better team wins (personally I hope that India is that better team though).

  • on June 22, 2013, 11:41 GMT

    looking forward to a great match between 2 good teams.....weather forecast is a bit dodgy early on but should brighten up later, hope it doesn't interfere with the game too much.....me thinks Eng will sneak it ;)

  • on June 22, 2013, 11:32 GMT

    Yuvraj Should have been in the match..!!

  • rajkothari14 on June 22, 2013, 11:24 GMT

    Best of luck to both the team. I am from India and wish India wins and will be supporting India forever in both good and bad times. However i give respect to opponents. Hence both of them all the best.

    Now as far as Trott is to be considered, he is a gem for england. I dont mind him playing around SR of around 80 because he contributes more runs. I guess once pietersen comes they will have good top 4.

  • Longhairrocks on June 22, 2013, 11:12 GMT

    @Jayesh Patel..sorry the Ashes are in July and August and they are more important than an ICC ODI competition.

  • Longhairrocks on June 22, 2013, 11:09 GMT

    so as ever England reached the final due to the failings of other teams, at least that seems the general consensus. Nobody outside of England is ever prepared to give England any credit and yet those same people wonder England fans increasingly hold them in contempt.

    If England spoke of India in the same tones that Indian fans speak of England, the air would be stiff with accusations of prejudice and racism. Funny old game

  • on June 22, 2013, 10:49 GMT

    India has an edge over England, in field ing, where they can save 20 runs and in Batting with their superior strike rate can score 30 - 40 extra runs. This make India 50 runs ahead before start of game backup by spin duo of Ashwin Jadeja . India are winning this definitely.

  • asithaSL on June 22, 2013, 10:47 GMT

    After 9 years, Cook got same headache again as a captain while Shikhar Dhawan is in best form of his life exactly same as 9 years ago U19 world cup. As a kid I read 2004 U19 WC statistics from a magazine n later on I was thinking abt Dhawan, whats happen to him while Cook is making series name for him self but best batsmen in nowhere, suddenly ipl came n saw Dhawan again, I love the wat he batting. 2004 U19 world cup is da best one, coz it gave cricket world so many talented players like Dhawan , Cook, Raina , Tharanga , Mathews ,Ramdin , Rampaul , Bopara, Luke , K O'brien , Morgan , Flynn... But Champions Pakistanies only have Wahab Riaze in current squad.

  • JG2704 on June 22, 2013, 10:46 GMT

    Re the weather - on the BBC forecast - yesterday it gave rain all day and now it gives sunshine and showers.I'd say a rain interrupted day favours India even more as England's policy is to build an inns and gather momentum whereas India are a more fluent side. EG if Eng are 30/40-0 after 10 and then the rain shortens it to a 30 over game they'll be behind the game. India would likely be anything between 50 and 70 after 10 so I don't think it would affect them so much. Not sure they'll do it as they're not the best at thinking outside the box , but I hope they look at the weather forecast (on the day) and adjust their gameplan accordingly.

  • JG2704 on June 22, 2013, 10:46 GMT

    One thing they mentioned on one of the CT games was that comparing Trott with Amla. I think it was said that when Amla scores big SA win but when Trott scores big it's not always the same result for England. I change my mind about Trott all the time but I think he is harshly pigeonholed as the slowcoach when Bell and Cook generall go at a similar pace and are not as consistent scoringwise. I still think they could do as well with 2 of the 3 with Root also playing a similar role if necessary. Also feel Jos should learn to settle down. The guy has so much ability but is so much better when he builds an innings. So I'd rather see him score heavier at a lesser SR. He could still score at a SR of 130-50 without taking huge risks

  • JG2704 on June 22, 2013, 10:39 GMT

    please publish this time.Nothing which can be deemed offensive

    @onlyIndiathebest on (June 22, 2013, 1:11 GMT) I don't see losing to SL as embarrassing at all. They won the last T20WC when both the finalists for this tourn went out at the group stages

    @Sadiq1952 on (June 22, 2013, 3:51 GMT) Out of interest how do you whitewash a side in a one off game?

  • burslemcc4 on June 22, 2013, 10:29 GMT

    With the weather about its quite sad that this game will be decided on who wins the toss.

  • GRVJPR on June 22, 2013, 10:19 GMT

    Indian bowling has been the best in the tournament. Indian bowlers have taken most wickets (37) at the least average of 23.89 and least economy of 4.66. While in batting they avg 65.46 per wicket which is again best. Eng batting is second best but well below India with avg of 35 per wicket. So its bowling, batting, fielding, century stands, India is far far better team.

  • kc69 on June 22, 2013, 10:16 GMT

    @Deshapriya Senanayake : I wish some would have understood what you have said. Moreover it seems quite common to hear these days from your place.

  • GRVJPR on June 22, 2013, 10:08 GMT

    @ Yellayi Rajesh England team has gifted stroke makers according to you. But they keep their strokes in bank for some reason then. That tuk tuk english batting can't win any tournament even if someone like anderson become steyn for one day due to doctored pitches and overcast weather!

  • GRVJPR on June 22, 2013, 10:03 GMT

    @JG2704 No, your memory is right. That was an ordinary Indian side and this one is not. I feel sorry for you that in jealously your blood pressure has become abnormal. Take care. India will win tomorrow so take more care and consult the doctor. It's not good to be jealous and become ill. There is no one to compete with India. It will only be a UPSET and nothing else. You won't understand though since your team is lying at number 8 in rankings. Sympathy with you. Lol!

  • on June 22, 2013, 9:56 GMT

    india will win as they have far better individual players and even if 5 indian plauers play to their potential cthen its curtains for England. come on india.win one more match to go unbeaten in whole tournament

  • hhillbumper on June 22, 2013, 9:52 GMT

    The thing that intrigues me is that if England can win this game in a format where they are not that good or attuned to then what does that say for India?

  • on June 22, 2013, 9:40 GMT

    I doubt whether the highly overrated Indian batting have the resources to unsettle the quality English bowling,specially with batsmen who struggle under seaming overcast conditions. England bowling line up is the best in the world at the moment to exploit such situations.

  • class9ryan on June 22, 2013, 9:39 GMT

    Maybe Trott has a point here, but England will have to be careful when they come to batting paradises like India, Bangladesh, few grounds in Sri Lanka, New Zeland. They arent going to succeed there if the opponent scores 300. Anyways, nice to see a India vs England final. But match will be in Birmingham where it has turned a fair bit, and mind u the crowd maybe English but a huge Asian community lies there, Almost will home conditions if it does not rain in England

  • atuljain1969 on June 22, 2013, 9:34 GMT

    I would like to believe that contest is between English bowlers and India Batsmen. Either of them prevailing over other should decided the game apart from RAIN factor.

  • Invictus77 on June 22, 2013, 9:25 GMT

    @ Deshapriya Senanayake i think you really got hurt by the loss at the semifinal...Sunil Gavaskar never said anything like that...he said it's really a task for a batsman to survive the next season when you perform amazing well in the first season,people start expecting a lot from you & opponent teams start to analyze your batting to find loopholes...Dhawan had few short good 30-40 knocks in ranji & first class cricket but in this season he has improved his technique & that's why he has converted those small knocks to big scores & for your information get your facts right....India had won that home series against England.. talking about final i think it'll be a really tight game....Batting is not at all a concern for India & in bowing kumar & Jadeja have proved themselves in the series...on the other side England has a more composed bowling attack & a good batting order but they still fill they lack the firepower required for the accelerating scoring rate...

  • on June 22, 2013, 9:22 GMT

    india will win the trophy

  • hunklibra on June 22, 2013, 9:03 GMT

    I think more than England its India who has proved people wrong playing in English condition, They have outclassed SA, WI, PAK, SRL,. England have great bowling attack fine, Indian bowlers have not been bad in this CT 13. As Andrew Mcglashan post this article to boost England's morale I guess. We have seen what happens to English attack when there's no movement or seam against Srilanka at Oval. India have certainly not yet been tested in this tournament they have simply outplayed all their opposition.India certainly has edge over England I am sure they will beat England. The last thing I want is final to be like semi final's no way I want bit more twist and interest so both teams should play to their merit.

  • Swarancool on June 22, 2013, 9:01 GMT

    India will win tomorrow....they are far better team than England in this competition..expecting good challenge from england

  • WeeBee on June 22, 2013, 8:59 GMT

    It will surely be a Complete Battle! A competition between the openers like Dhawan and Cook because Indians are relying on their openers as they performed really well throughout the tournament. It will also be competition between Bopara and Jadeja as these both all rounders would play an important role in important overs of the game.

  • yorkshirematt on June 22, 2013, 8:56 GMT

    What if the nz aus match wasn't rained off. What if England had won the toss at the oval and been able to bowl at sl in difficult batting conditions. What if they'd won the toss and stuck nz in at cardiff. What if they'd lost the toss against SA. WHO CARES. England are in the final get over it. They probably won't win but at least some Indians accept they're the second best side.

  • yorkshirematt on June 22, 2013, 8:49 GMT

    *i meant WHERE does trott say eng will win

  • AKS286 on June 22, 2013, 8:43 GMT

    I'm not an Indian but Indians are favourite IMO. Before the tournament i said Ind, SA, ENG and NZ are the No.1 contenders. I also said Aus lies in ZIM, BANG categories. Both teams are good ie why in Final. Strong points for ENG- Home advantage, Anderson bowling & Tredwell bowling (Indians are expert in spin), now Ind adv. good avg. with SR., their spinner taking wickets in English conditions, long batting order with avg & SR. India can score & chase big totals; England's major issue is they can't score & chase big totals. Broad & Finn are not impressive, Yadav & Ishant are not reliable. Lonely Anderson Vs Jadeja, B.kumar & Ashwin. my team lost to both(SA). Cricket is not played in paper (only Aus plays) lets see who will hold last CT. Indians are upper hand, BUT Best of luck to both teams.

  • deathstar01 on June 22, 2013, 8:41 GMT

    England reached the final based on other teams weakness. NZ- a very very weak battingline these days; SA perennial chockers, AUS- no more a powerhouse. They can can be a world beaters in ODIs with these batting.

  • rock.rockyin on June 22, 2013, 8:23 GMT

    @GRVJPR I am a member at edgbaston warwickshire and its myth to say England will doctor a pitch with green top . When was the last time u saw Green top here at Warwickshire for ODI ?

    Also can u show me where Yadav has saved 20 runs and with his fielding and where mishra wasted 20 runs with his fielding ?

    Edgbaston ground is very good for spin and when opposition is expecting 3 seamers and 2 spinners surprise them and that will change the game plan of ENG.

  • on June 22, 2013, 8:21 GMT

    best of luck india i love my country jay hind jay ho

  • TheBigBoodha on June 22, 2013, 8:21 GMT

    England needed a lot to go right, and they got their wish granted. A certain no ball call, Steyn and Morkel vanishing, SL failing to capture that last NZ wicket (which meant AUS had not 50-odd overs but 29 to beat SL in the last game), bowling first at Edgbaston and vs SA... If they bat second in the final at Edgbaston and have to chase more than 220 they are toast. Edgbaston has been a very, very poor cricket wicket for this series. Just gets slower and slower with every passing over, making it virtually impossible for the team batting second to score at more than a snail's pace once the shine is off the ball.

  • A_Vacant_Slip on June 22, 2013, 8:12 GMT

    @Cpt.Meanster (June 21, 2013, 20:09 GMT) I have read your comment which say "Their standard of cricket outside of the UK is questionable". Do you really think so? Don't forget that England won their last bilateral series IN South Africa and V Pak IN UAE, they also beat WI IN West Indies. You only ever come here to mock England with your opinion which never take account of true fact. @Meanster - for all of your opinion and passing high judgement on England let is look at INDIA record in ODI outside of INDIA. It dos not make pretty reading; lost in Australia, lost in England, lost in South Africa, lost in Zimbabwe, lost in Asia Cup. These are absolute true fact which cannot be argued with. Given these fact it seem to me that the true statement you should make is "INDIA standard of cricket outside of INDIA is questionable".

  • on June 22, 2013, 8:06 GMT

    Young team without the seniors like Viru Gauti Zak Bhajji Yuvi and Sachin plays with a greater team spirit and revolve very well under MSD. Cricket is a mind game partly and current team believes they can win the trophy.

  • Naresh28 on June 22, 2013, 7:52 GMT

    For those doubting Dhawan ability e.g. @Deshapriya htttp://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/story/362111.html http://static.espncricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2003-04/OTHERS/U19-WC2004/STATS/U19-WC2004_FEB-MAR2004_AVS_BAT_MOST_RUNS.html

    This guy has been around and has scored big since 2004 U19 Wc where he topped batting averages. Cook was in that same w/c and would know.

  • streetblader on June 22, 2013, 7:50 GMT

    Some of the Sri Lankan fans like Senanayake, still can't seem to digest the fact that Indian team is the ODI number one team for a reason.. Instead of accepting that their poor team was thrashed by a vastly superior team (and that has been happening time and again), they still want to post in articles which doesn't even concern them and attribute India's success to luck. Wake up kiddos, you can get lucky one or twice (like sri lanka did, to make the semis)... but defeating other teams comprehensively by not allowing the opposition even a sniff at winning, means just one thing- India is the best by far. But grapes are always sour in Sri Lanka, aren't they?

  • Captain_Tuk_Tuk on June 22, 2013, 7:45 GMT

    I am supporting England from the 1st day of tournament or should I say since I saw England series against India and New Zealand. I am Pakistani but I predicted my team will lose 3-0, I also supported India and India was one of my favorite teams. In tomorrow's match I believe England might win due to the fact that England have been through a series loss and one match lost against SL which was a wake-up call for them and it made them cover their loop holes, where as India have never been through any testing so if Indian openers fail there middle order is not tested where as England batting depth is tested several times. 2nd thing India's strength is spinners and England plays spinners well which they proved in the series against India in India. For me its 60% England 40% India.

  • shad11 on June 22, 2013, 7:42 GMT

    thi is the time when england is going to win the big one in odi cricket.this is the perfect setting,last tournament and at home.although india are a form side but they certainly used to beat srilanka instead of england especially in england and with overhead conditions it will definitely soot england than india.still i believe toss nay play a crucial part if it rains

  • on June 22, 2013, 7:36 GMT

    Cricinfo Please Publish -- England has Gifted Stroke Makers in Eoin Morgan, Alistair Cok, Ian Bell and Jonathan Trott. Root and Butler can hammer any attack and Broad and Swann are god allrounders. James Anderson is a World Class Bowler so, India should bat first on a wet day, the openers nagate the seam and swing effectively against Anderson just as They did throughout the Tournament and finally, pose an imposing total of 300 Plus chasing 300 in swinging conditions against the seaming ball would be difficult for England

  • JG2704 on June 22, 2013, 7:34 GMT

    @GRVJPR on (June 22, 2013, 5:18 GMT) re "Only ordinary teams worry about tosses, conditions, experience, luck etc"

    So my memory must be failing me then and it must have been another side's fans who were moaning about bowling with a wet ball last time they played an ODI series in Eng and saying how unjust it was that they were knocked out in the group stages of the T20 WC

  • JG2704 on June 22, 2013, 7:33 GMT

    @drice on (June 22, 2013, 1:47 GMT) I'm purely stating facts that if Eng were that bad they wouldn't have reached the semis. I'm not saying they're a great ODI side. Of course you could say what if etc. Eng fans could say what if we'd have won the toss vs SL and had the better of early batting conditions etc. But if we're talking what if the Aus/NZ match hadn't been rained off , if you do the maths Eng would still have qualified for the semis because they had a better net RR than SL , so if NZ had won vs Aus(which is a big if) while they may have had a better net RR than Eng Eng would still have finished 2nd. Had Aus won Eng would still have finished top. If Aus had beaten NZ and SL then Eng would have finished top or 2nd with Aus. Sorry to disappoint but Eng would have qualified for the semis regardless

  • yorkshirematt on June 22, 2013, 7:21 GMT

    Sorry indian fans but who does trott say that England will definitely win. All he's saying is England have done well to get this far and have been one of the better teams, which is correct. And this is coming from me as well a sceptic of this England ODI team.

  • alipk52 on June 22, 2013, 7:17 GMT

    By the way, important point to note that If South Africa are semi-final chokers, then England are Final chokers. 1979 worldcup they lost West Indies by 92 runs, 1987 worldcup they lost to Australia by 7 runs, 1992 worldcup they lost to Pakistan by 22 runs, in 2004 Champions trophy they choked badly when West Indian bowlers Browne and Bradshaw chased down unlikely target by puting up 71* partnership to beat them by 2 wickets, so England played numerous finals and choked in All :) Note: this doesn't includes few semi-finals England played and lost.

  • Thyagu5432 on June 22, 2013, 7:13 GMT

    This match can go either way. Eng have batted reasonably well, their bowling has always been a threat, fielding is adequate. India's batting and fielding display has stood out as model for others to follow. As the tournament progressed, everybody have also started realizing that India's bowling is after all not that bad.

    This seems to be a match between "more or less" equals. If all the departments of both the teams perform to their respective potential, India probably has an upper hand. The margin for error with regards to India's performance is much more than that of England. So even if India's batting performance falls slightly below what is expected of them, they can possibly still win the match. England will have a chance only if India's batting is a major failure.

    Fingers crossed.

  • on June 22, 2013, 7:00 GMT

    Dhawan is scoring runs in this tournament and already some Indian commentators have started comparing him to greats like Sehwag and Anwar. He is only a rookie in the international circuit compared to players of that stance. He hasn't proved anything yet. I even heard on television Mr. Gavaskar saying when you see Dhawan bat you wonder why you need technique cz it's only the temperament that counts. Which is Correct from his end, cz even he knows Dhawan's not having any technique. As one rightly said "form is temporally class is permanent". Class comes through technique. Cz only the technique will bring you back to form once you eventually lose it. Eng line up for that matter has proven it. They did beat Ind in Ind under real Ind conditions. Why cz they have class, technique and temperament. I think this Indian line up is in good form only and winning for that matter. That's all. Immensely overrated as high class.No class or proven history except for Dhoni and Kholi

  • on June 22, 2013, 6:52 GMT

    My bets are with India... They have been rock solid and definitely the deserving winners... But I really hope England would win :D It's always fun when under dog beats all odds.... And in this case since I am Sri Lankan it could heal my wounds a bit hahahaha.... Well.. either way it should be a great game.. two deserving teams.. No 1 Vs No 2 in ICC rankings...but I guess Dhoni and the gang will have a slight edge... May the best team win!!! Cheers!

  • on June 22, 2013, 6:25 GMT

    shoulb be a good contest for champions trophy between world champions india and better English side,though they have to prove themselves in really tough odi contest this season.both the teams have shown good commitment for the tournament though india is slightly better team,they have not been really tested in this tournament so far.any way good luck for the sunday final.let us hope rain gods will not spoil this interesting match.

  • on June 22, 2013, 6:25 GMT

    shoulb be a good contest for champions trophy between world champions india and better English side,though they have to prove themselves in really tough odi contest this season.both the teams have shown good commitment for the tournament though india is slightly better team,they have not been really tested in this tournament so far.any way good luck for the sunday final.let us hope rain gods will not spoil this interesting match.

  • IndianSRTfan on June 22, 2013, 6:12 GMT

    @JG2704: Well said. I think the current approach of Eng towards bating is reliable but agree with you that its simply too rigid. The batsmen seem to have made up their minds about the rolls that they're gonna play, Trott as anchor, Butler and Morgan as big hitters etc, and seem unwilling to change even if situation demands it.

    For example, during Eng vs Nz, Morgan knew he had about 10 overs to play so he could have taken a little time. Yet he was out after playing only 15 balls, swinging hard all the time and rarely connecting. Add to this the fact that he threw away his wicket just after Cook had fallen and they needed him to bat till the end and it looks even more silly.

    I think Cook is not a flexible captain. If things don't go as per plan he refuses to adapt and that's where India have a distinct advantage with Dhoni at helm. So Trott may wanna wait coz critics are right, flaws are more with plans and less with Eng players. Just winning few times doesn't prove otherwise.

  • cricpanther on June 22, 2013, 6:10 GMT

    Now its time for England to make people right again!! India will make you loose right there at your home ground, home pitch and home crowd!!!!

  • GRVJPR on June 22, 2013, 6:04 GMT

    Even if anderson becomes steyn for a day and picks up young openers quickly, the real batting of India starts after that with Kohli, raina, dhoni, kartik, jadeja. If same thimk happens to england, with cook, bell, trott in pavilions there is nothing left. India Will WIN !

  • on June 22, 2013, 5:54 GMT

    Surely India will win the match. They are very good in all 3 department than ENG. After the wickets of Cook and Troot they don't have batsman to rebuild the inning. Indian bating will rock again and of course SIR RAVINDRA JADEJA'S bowling.

  • YorkshirePudding on June 22, 2013, 5:47 GMT

    I could be an interesting game with the weather playing a big part. A lot will depend on the toss and overheads at Edgbaston.

    If england can get the same start as they did against SA in the semis' then India could be in trouble. However India are the favourites, mainly due to the experience they have in closing down totals as well as when to accelerate and when to consolidate.

    But this is ODI cricket and 'upsets' can happen if one team has a bad day and the other an exceptional day.

  • on June 22, 2013, 5:46 GMT

    Dont worry England team. You will be proved wrong by India tomorrow :P

  • Raj.cool.Himanshu on June 22, 2013, 5:46 GMT

    I think India will win the match because India can do anything to win this game.But England is also a strong contender to win this champions trophy.

  • Kunjan543 on June 22, 2013, 5:36 GMT

    @deshapriya Senanayake whom do you consider the so called experienced batting line up??? ENGLAND??? lol....Allistair cook...??? we also have players experienced as him...i dont really understand your point....your name is srilankan so i assume you are mad about srilanka loosing to india....lol

  • loke_cricfan on June 22, 2013, 5:28 GMT

    @Deshapriya Senanayake, according to you Indian team is overrated, common man, chill, .... India not lost a single game in this series, not even the warmup matches... India's batting is strength and England will not be good enough to tackle Sir Jadeja and Ashwin in the middle overs. If KP had played then there is chance for England, without KP, there is no chance of beating India for England right now.. (Neutral)

  • GRVJPR on June 22, 2013, 5:27 GMT

    @ Deshapriya Senanayake What england have after top 3 batters. As far as Ind is concerned after top 3 batters the real batting of India starts with kohli, dhoni, raina, kartik etc. It's not a 2 man pony srilankan batting line up who folds like a pack of card s evry game. And you are saying Indian top 3 don't have class. You know Indian number 3 'Virat Kohli' and how he has hammered lankan attack is last few years. He is accepted as the best young batsmen all over the world. Already has more centuries in ODI than your mahela and sangakkara. So check the stats before making declarations

  • GRVJPR on June 22, 2013, 5:20 GMT

    @ Deshapriya Senanayake One or two quick wickets will only bring like sof kohli, dhoni, raina, kartik on the crease and as a sri lankans you are well aware how these players have hammered you again and again for last 5 years. India's strength is in the middle order. Top order perfrormance has been a bonus and even that has proved too much for other teams.

  • Lmaotsetung on June 22, 2013, 5:20 GMT

    Someone mentioned in another article about Australia how the West Indies of the 80s and the Aussies of the late 90s and 2000s played their Test and ODI exactly the same way with great success. I think this England team in some ways are trying to do the same in that they try to approach Test and ODIs in similar fashion. The only difference is that WIs and Oz played aggressive cricket...aggressive batting from the top with the likes of Hayden, Pointing, Richards, Greenidge, etc. Eng on the other hand do not have such talent and thus are playing to their strengths with the likes of Cook, Bell and Trott. At the end of the day the common denominator is that Test and 50-over should be approached in similar fashion. Nothing wrong with England's approach to ODIs, they are playing according to the cards they were dealt with. They've tried imitating other nations with aggressive top order batting and it's gotten them nowhere.

  • GRVJPR on June 22, 2013, 5:18 GMT

    Only ordinary teams worry about tosses, conditions, experience, luck etc. This is why India will Win this tournament because they don't like excuses. Their young players are way above in class and temperament compared to others.

  • GRVJPR on June 22, 2013, 5:15 GMT

    @ Deshapriya Senanayake Oh, so what about your much fancied and experienced and class sri lankan side. Why they couldn't put indian youngsters under 'real pressure' for last 10 years or so. Why malinga don't retire, why he is enjoying being hammered again and again like murali against India. Why people like dilshan run away back to dressing room when conditions and seaming and swinging. Why sri lankan team always cry after loosing the toss? Sour Grapes!

  • on June 22, 2013, 5:14 GMT

    @Deshapriya Senanayake..The Indian top order showed it's class throughout the tournament. The Indian team is strong contender for the CT 2013 silverware. Quiet evident that Srilanka lacked the discipline in batting and bowling throughout the tournament as evident from the semi final clash. Performing under pressure is usually the best trait to learn from a Indian and falling apart like pack of cards is destined to be the English team..Just watch out ur FB space on 23/06/2013.

  • on June 22, 2013, 5:11 GMT

    It is a fair match up between the best sides in the competition and of course, the world no.1 and world no.2 sides...not sure how the weather would hold up though...I'd hate to see India share another Champions Trophy after having played so well so far...To be honest, India will start as favourites, but if the famed England bowling line up plays to its potential, then we have got a game on our hands!...don't count out the Indian bowlers though; they have been excellent within their strengths...If India can make a proper spearhead out of Umesh Yadav and probably Varun Aaron(if he does come back!), then we will also have two express pace bowlers! Jadeja has to be given due credit for his fantastic performances this year (not to forget, his athleticism on the field)...looks like we have already unearthed a core group for the 2015 World Cup!

  • GRVJPR on June 22, 2013, 5:09 GMT

    Whatever might be the approach of england and whatever might be the conditions and whoever wins the toss - "INDIA will WIN". You don't become numebr 1 team in the world overnight. Last 25 games between India and england, Ind 20 - Eng 5 wins. There is no competition whatsoever. If england wins it will be a huge upset.

  • chapathishot on June 22, 2013, 5:05 GMT

    England have a weakness they have only four front line bowlers in Jimmy ,Finn ,Broad and Tradewell.Their fifth bowler will be exploited by Indians and under attack Cook will falter as his captaincy skills are good only when going is good.For England Bopara has to go and they have to play a bowler unless he is there for some other purpose.

  • GRVJPR on June 22, 2013, 5:05 GMT

    @rock.rockyin I will stick with umesh yadav. He has done alright. Every attack in this tournament has got hammered (including english attack vs lanka). Eng will doctor the pitch and make it a green top. Mishra might have done well on dust bowl at hyderabad in IPL but he is not that good. And least we talk about his fielding is better. At least if umesh do have a bad day he can save those 15-20 runs, so effectively if he goes for 50, he actually is going for 30 because of runs he is saving. If mishra goes for 50 then he is actually going for 70 since he will give away extra runs in field and it also effects the morale of the team.

  • on June 22, 2013, 5:02 GMT

    hi, common friends why we fight. lets the best team win. we should love the game. let the best team have it.England should be happy anyhow. lets enjoy wid a boom, never expected best match then this.

  • GRVJPR on June 22, 2013, 5:01 GMT

    @777aditya It only shows how much you underrated Indian Team. I was taken aback when no expert was giving any chance to current world champions and current number 1 team in the world. As far as england are concerned, they might have reached the finals, but they were very close to being knock out as well. Their bowling attack looked ordinary against sri lanka. India have even better bowlers in middle overs, likes of jadeja and ashwin, and this approach of england might haunt them badly.

  • Unconstitutional_PCB_Chief on June 22, 2013, 5:00 GMT

    When you play Final the required "Tempo" is full gear, and making sure all cylinders must be fired on all cost. Now, please calculate the "Tempo". Wiseman should also tell, some time you don't have enough time to cut the cat in that case you grab the necessary tools and run. Meaning India and England needs to play very hard and perform their very best to get the crown. England and India are the two most balanced sides in the tournament, if there is swing then England would be on the driving seat, if there is turn then its India who would be leading the passengers; this head to head contest between the two suggest their chemistry is simply nonnegotiable i.e. You Snooze You Loose.

  • on June 22, 2013, 4:58 GMT

    no doubt england will put on a show but ya its 60 to 40 in favour of india due to better resources

  • Greatest_Game on June 22, 2013, 4:43 GMT

    @ SnowSnake wrote "SA should not have gone to semis because WI almost beat SA."

    Almost is not good enough. SA "almost" beat England in 92, almost beat Australia in 99, & almost beat Sri Lanka in 03. England, Australia and Sri Lanka advanced, SA did not. They were simply accused of choking!

    Well, this time the West Indies choked, & South Africa advanced. In the big wide world of international cricket, almost is not good enough - ever.

  • Chandruarni on June 22, 2013, 4:35 GMT

    Win the toss. Win the game. Becos know one knows what's a good score when batting first under a chance of rain

  • on June 22, 2013, 4:27 GMT

    I think this Indian batting line up is way too overrated and inexperience to perform under real pressure.But England top three has real class and caliber.

  • on June 22, 2013, 4:15 GMT

    I think a couple of English batsmen and two of their bowlers (Anderson and Broad) are the key. If they deliver, we might see an interesting match. If not, I think India will inflict a crushing win over England. The strength for India is not their bowling or batting, but the impeccable fielding. The Indian team always were one of the worst fielding sides; however with that straightened out, they are a force to reckon with. If England bat first, India have greater chances of winning, since no team in the world knows what total would be a good one for the run machines like Dhawan, Sharma and Kohli. Hope rain doesnt play too much of a spoil sport and we see a decent match!

  • jimbond on June 22, 2013, 4:08 GMT

    Rain shortened games and half games are unpredictable, anyone (even England) could win these. If climatic conditions do allow for 50 over each, I think SL have provided the blueprint for India- all they need to do is to ask for a change of balls after15 overs (after England would have nicely roughed it up), and then thrash the English Bowlers who are not so great in conditions without swing. The good thing about Birmingham is that in the absence of rain, toss may not play that big a role.

  • landl47 on June 22, 2013, 4:07 GMT

    There are two sides to the weather issue. Yes, in a weather-shortened game England's more disciplined approach will be a disadvantage compared with India's aggressive attacking game. However, most of the Indian side have little experience of playing in damp English conditions and for those who do have experience (that would be those who toured in 2011) the experience was not a good one since they didn't win a game. The England players are used to it and can cope with it.

    The main problem with games affected by weather during the game is that the side batting first must assume it will be a full game and bat accordingly. The side batting second has a tremendous advantage in that situation, because D/L leaves all wickets intact and wickets in hand allows the side batting second to be much more aggressive.

    So let's hope we have a game that's either dry throughout or not interrupted even if it starts late. India must be the favourites, but England should test them.

  • Sadiq1952 on June 22, 2013, 3:51 GMT

    I agree that Engand has proved many skeptics wrong and done much better than expected. Their whitewash of South Africa earned them the respect they deserve. Yet beating the in-form India will be a serious challenge. I hope they give it their best shot. A toss win and making India bat first will be crucial as India will likely successfully chase any decent total upto 300. I am looking forward to a great game.

  • Happy_hamster on June 22, 2013, 3:41 GMT

    Wise man once said to me "there is more than one way to skin a cat" apologies to any "neutral" fans who may worship cats. This system works best for England according to their blueprint, I do find it a bit regimented but generally when they put out a full strength team(unlike NZ at home, India away) they win. Buttler and Morgan have been disappointing for sure, maybe Sunday they will score big maybe India will live up to the hype (deserved from what I've seen). I can safely say if England win it is not down to me, if India win it will not be down to any of their fans either. I notice no one is slating Fletcher anymore, he was hamstrung by the board previously in replacing old and past their best players and look at what has happened now, good coach end of.

  • disco_bob on June 22, 2013, 3:21 GMT

    "...whether they score at the tempo required in modern one-day cricket." The empirical evidence would suggest that they are playing at sufficient tempo to at least reach the final.

  • WTEH on June 22, 2013, 2:52 GMT

    England must be dreaming if they even think that they can beat India. They should be really greatful that they have came to the finals. Truly not deserve the second place. If they have met any other team than those choker jokers, some other, any other team would have been in the finals now.

  • on June 22, 2013, 2:22 GMT

    Lets just hope we can have a 50 over contest. The weather has been abysmal. Importance should have been given to this tournament by holding it in July/August. A game that is not affected by the weather or the toss would be ideal. India is the top ranked ODI team currently. So far India has left their opposition a distant second in every game. Their middle and lower order batsmen have not been tested. If the World Cup holders can win in English conditions, Team India will have can of age.

  • Cpt.Meanster on June 22, 2013, 1:48 GMT

    @Milhouse79: I think you haven't read my comment properly enough to understand it. I was purely stating England's problems in ODI cricket. Why is it that whenever we bring up England's poor showing in one day cricket, some English fans immediately bring in test cricket ? It's getting old seriously. I mean, it is indeed true that England's technique, resilience, and strategy in alien conditions is below par when it comes to 50 over cricket. I hope you agree with that. I wasn't talking about England's test match prowess cause I think they are good in that format mainly because they embrace it more than the others. You see, ODIs and T20s need smart thinking and street smart tactics, an area England have always lacked for many years. They love it all slow, for 5 days which is their major problem. Cricket is comprised of 3 formats: tests, ODIs and T20s. It's time England accept their weakness in ODI cricket and work towards addressing those issues.

  • drice on June 22, 2013, 1:47 GMT

    @JG. True England made the semis but would they have if the NZ/ Aus game wasn't rained out? The only remotely impressive performance was the semi against SA. They are a decent enough side but not good enough to be talking like Trott is already. If they manage to beat india then they will have proven their point.

  • Javed_17 on June 22, 2013, 1:46 GMT

    Everyone here appears to be rather biased here. Im going out on a limb and backing the rain to steal the silverware :). Truth be told India has surprised me in these extremely conditions and england have been disappointing all season(in odis). England is good at home tho and india is generally terrible away from home so I see two matched teams in a tight deadlock. The deciding factor apart for the rain (the true winner) will be either side's bowling units. Lets face it India have batted solidly why england have relied mainly on their batting to get to the final. Therefore in order to stop the two best batting sides of the competition you need good bowling. I would not speculate on best line ups but i do believe putting the home boys in an english team would have a lot more moral boost and dropping a spinner for india a possible alternative

  • D-Ascendant on June 22, 2013, 1:43 GMT

    Oh dear, he's really tempting fate now, isn't he? Doesn't he realise that when England lose in the final after this statement, it's going to be #Trottsfault?

  • onlyIndiathebest on June 22, 2013, 1:11 GMT

    Congratulations to England for reaching this far. They deserve to be the runners up in this tournement. Although losing to SL was an embarresment, they have played consistent cricket throught.

  • on June 22, 2013, 0:38 GMT

    I think England should win. They have all the factors favoring them. India is a good team. But i don't think their batting lineup possesses the technique to survive under good English bowling under good English conditions. One or two quick wickets and this inexperience Indian line up will fall like a pack of cards.

  • on June 22, 2013, 0:12 GMT

    On a pitch neutral as to who bowls first, India has a better chance to win. In the current English conditions, if England wins the toss and insert India in, and bowls India out out for a low score, England would surely win; even if Jonathan "trotts" along. In such a scenario, India's chances for a win depends on two things. (1) How fast they get Cook out. & (2) And how long they keep Trott in the middle and let him hog most of the overs.

  • ballsintherightareas on June 21, 2013, 23:19 GMT

    @12thUmpire - actually Bopara's batting average and strike rate over the last 24 months is very similar to that of Kevin Pietersen's career ODI stats, while he has also maintained a lower bowling economy rate than any other England player. He's also a good fielder. He is an extremely valuable player. Who exactly has a better record that you would bring in to cover the fifth bowler duties while making as many runs?

  • SanjivAwesome on June 21, 2013, 23:07 GMT

    The winner out of the contest might be .... the weather! That would be an anti-climax to an absorbing tournament. So I am keeping my fingers crossed and looking forward to some exciting cricket between two in-form sides. I hope India wins. But England look pretty menancing! Yikes!

  • SpizenFire on June 21, 2013, 22:47 GMT

    Absolutely correct trott. England will once again prove people wrong. Which way only the results will tell. Hope it's a 50 over game. Will be a big disappointment if not. Makes you ponder if its worth having a long tournament in England.

  • aka-ra on June 21, 2013, 22:45 GMT

    This is India's moment - they have little attention span for any longer forms of the game and 2020 is fickle...

  • 777aditya on June 21, 2013, 22:40 GMT

    Team India's juggernaut display of all round performances right from practice matches to league stage and in the semis have left even the wisest of cricket pundits aghast. English team with its varied bowling attack (spinners, medium pacers, swingers, and pacers), sharp fielders, and batsmen (mix of stout defence and innovative attacking) are a strong unit and have raised their performances since the past two years now. In home conditions, they were almost guaranteed to be a definite entry into the top four. So, don't know how many fans are surprised because of the English team's strong performances, but Team India has actually managed to spring the biggest surprise in this Champion's trophy, yeah already!

  • on June 21, 2013, 22:28 GMT

    India vs england ...A tied match in the 2011 worldcup ...england never lost to the world champions back then....come champions trophy...lets do this ...epic battle coming up ....Go india ...lets truly put all that talk to rest !!!!!

  • on June 21, 2013, 22:13 GMT

    kc69, you're ignoring the thrashing of SA with two of the best ODI batsmen in the world at their disposal.

  • 2.14istherunrate on June 21, 2013, 21:28 GMT

    If we win we won't have proved a lot of people wrong because the feeling was in certain parts that we were the most likely to win the CT13. Admittedly India have an unbeaten record, but only 1 side can win and I think in the end we will be the hungrier for success. I agree they should have an extra day as a full game is far more satisfactory. I hope we do not suddenly start tinkering about the team, but stay level headed and play the team which stacks up the best- ie the team which won at the Oval with the only question mark over Finn or Bresnan. It would be monumentally tough on Swann but is there a reason to leave Tredwell out?

  • rock.rockyin on June 21, 2013, 21:22 GMT

    Given we have 50-50 overs without rain , India will win irrespective of loosing toss or winning toss . Till date cook, bell & trott doesn't knw what RR is needed for ODI tournaments . India hav to see off broad & Anderson .. That's it. I am hoping dhoni will surprise everyone by takin Amit mishra in place of Yadav. Mishra definitely will be economical than Yadav and fire in with variety of spin that eng not used to and he wiill give solid batting depth incase if openers fails. India has the edge I must say due to lack of ODI skills from trott cook nd bell .All in all hope the rain goes away and we will have a good game . Even if India looses we shud be proud team hav come so far here . I wish I could have booked the tickets to this match .

  • kc69 on June 21, 2013, 21:13 GMT

    I believe Trott's speech was a bit too early. If England can look back at this tournament except for a win over a weakened Aussie side(who lost almost to everybody) there isn't much to brag about. Loss against SL and a reduced game where Kiwi's did come close to the chase and a injured and choked team in semi's , I believe it will be really an great achievement if England can MANAGE to beat India. As per my personal opinion only thing that can save England is Rain. A full 50 over match would be a tough one for home side. However, All the best for both the teams, expecting a clean weather and a full/good game of cricket.

  • sharidas on June 21, 2013, 21:12 GMT

    I only hope it is going to be a 50 over match rather than a rain reduced one.

  • JG2704 on June 21, 2013, 21:11 GMT

    Fairly predictable from Trott and there are certainly pros and cons of doing things the way England do in ODIs. I think one problem is that England (in all forms) have been bery rigid/stubborn in their thinking. When it's working it's fine but I still feel there's an inability to switch to a different plan when it's not. As I said in a previous post (which will hopefully also be published) I hope England will include the weather forecast in their thoroughness re stats etc and predict how may overs they're likely to play and up the tempo at the start if weather is predicted so they're always up with the game. It's a tough ask and I'd say we need everyone to be on top from the top 3/4 to the hitters to the bowlers/fielders. One thing I will say is that while all is not as rosy as some make out if England were as pathetic an ODI side as some on here have constantly made out they'd not even be in the semi final let alone the final

  • Jaffa79 on June 21, 2013, 21:04 GMT

    @ Cpt.Meanster, 'England's standard of cricket outside of England is questionable'? Hmmm...you have a point but beating India comprehensively this winter during the Test series, beating the Aussies by an innings THREE TIMES and drawing in SA last time out there suggest we do alright! England are up and down in ODI cricket, I'd agree. By the way, how do you rate India away from home???

  • on June 21, 2013, 20:51 GMT

    Although it is true that England is playing well, but I would get my hopes up if I were England before the final, b/c India is playing at another level. They will be extremely tough to beat in my mind with their batting line up and exceptional fielding and also good bowling attack. They remind of the Australian teams back in the day when you just knew going into the game that they were going to win!

  • JG2704 on June 21, 2013, 20:50 GMT

    Have to agree that it's pathetic not to have even one reserve day for such a tournament. It's the final game of the tournament so there are no more fixtures to cram in. How much of an anti climax would it be if the game was rained off? Surely it would render the whole tournament as pointless? Re the weather - on the BBC forecast - yesterday it gave rain all day and now it gives sunshine and showers.I'd say a rain interrupted day favours India even more as England's policy is to build an inns and gather momentum whereas India are a more fluent side. EG if Eng are 30/40-0 after 10 and then the rain shortens it to a 30 over game they'll be behind the game. India would likely be anything between 50 and 70 after 10 so I don't think it would affect them so much. Not sure they'll do it as they're not the best at thinking outside the box , but I hope they look at the weather forecast (on the day) and adjust their gameplan accordingly.

  • SevereCritic on June 21, 2013, 20:37 GMT

    Well, the English game suits the English weather, where you weather the new ball with some solid defensive gameplay on swinging, seaming green tops and accelerate at the end when batting eases out. The English top 3 are best suited for that. My problem is their lack of flexibility in more friendlier conditions. When they went to India earlier this year, they struggled to post big scores because even in more batting friendly conditions, they stuck to their mantra of defend, consolidate and then accelerate. This is where KP is missed. KP is someone uniquely talented enough to switch gears based on conditions and circumstance. Sadly, the trio of Cook, Bell and Trott are more one-dimensional in their approach. Their lack of adaptability and flamboyance is what people abhor. In the match against SL (which they lost), any other stronger batting side, would have happily crossed 300 in that belter of a track batting first. England stuttered to 293. That's the problem.

  • Cpt.Meanster on June 21, 2013, 20:09 GMT

    Those are some big words coming from Trott. I don't think England have proved anyone wrong YET. Their standard of cricket outside of the UK is questionable, especially in ODI matches. At home, they have been fairly consistent for sure. But that isn't enough. Even if Trott is talking about this particular tournament, I beg to disagree with him. SL showed just how vulnerable England are as an ODI team. Let's start with England's bowling attack. Their attack is good and all provided there is swing in the air. Take those elements away and it's a different story. Their batters barring KP, Bell and Morgan are slow and don't provide the impetus in the middle overs. Trott is a fine player but sometimes he needs to accelerate when the going gets tough. His approach is most ideal for English conditions but outside the UK, it's a poor way to pace an ODI innings. This is one of the reasons why England have never been successful in major ODI tournaments.

  • Shrikar_11 on June 21, 2013, 20:02 GMT

    lol, the english have started giving their usual victory speeches expounding their self-professed greatness again, but hold on kids, you've beaten a bunch of mediocre teams, you're the one-eyed king of the blind. India have been the only good team in this tournament other than the english and they have brushed aside the opposition with utmost ease and England will do well to hold off on their trumpet blowing till after the final.

  • 12thUmpire on June 21, 2013, 19:59 GMT

    England have obtained all the international runs Bopara can deliver for this season. It's the right time to rest / rotate him from national duty. Remember Tugga said "Form is temporary, but class permanent?" Bopara is one game away from his current temporary form yielding to his permanent class. Time to get over the euphoria of his bludgeoning Sri Lanka into submission. Also the Aussie attack is second-rate, but it will be unwise to expose him to their attack under English conditions. Summer has officially started, which means English conditions for cricket need to be reckoned with.

  • on June 21, 2013, 19:32 GMT

    MSD's last triumph!!! He is known for big performances at finals. His experience to handle this situations is far more than anyone in else in the modern day cricket. He is there to clinch the silverware.

  • nlight on June 21, 2013, 19:31 GMT

    What a shame that we're unlikely to get a game on Sunday. I'd far rather lose to a better team on the day than share the title. I think this is a better side than the one England thrashed 2 years ago with an exceptional batting line-up, respectable attack and also much improved in the field.

    Despite this, I think England could have won bowling first in conditions favouring our bowlers.

  • indianamol on June 21, 2013, 19:27 GMT

    I feel the words coming little earlier than it should come (or maybe they are not sure if they will have a chance to say this after CT final!). England only defeated Australia who were nowhere in the competition because of poor form, New Zealand, always a weak side and South Africa, a depleted side due to the absence of their key players. Nevertheless they already lost a series against New Zealand and lost to a competitive team in Sri Lanka. I would be more pleased if I would have heard it from an Englishman after winning the CT. It will be a toughest task for them. Hope to see a good battle.

  • SnowSnake on June 21, 2013, 19:21 GMT

    Let's face it England has been lucky to be in the final. Against NZ, Cook's catches were dropped a couple times and SA just choked. India is also know for its batting collapses so England could win. However, if India were to win, England will be beaten so badly that Trott will be proven wrong for proving people wrong. Neither English batting or bowling is that impressive to me. The group England belonged to was just a week group. SA should not have gone to semis because WI almost beat SA.

  • Tribal_Cricket on June 21, 2013, 19:18 GMT

    India has a much better big match temperament and I think that would be a key factor in the match. While India have won tournaments in the recent past England have never been able to win a 50 over tournament as yet! So will be interesting to see how they approach this game. I think Anderson Vs the Indian openers will decide the contest.

  • on June 21, 2013, 19:03 GMT

    In any game always the better side will win!!! Coming to #CT final, both the team has chance to emerge as last champ of #CT. England has good batting line up with experience and better bowling than India compared to form as well as experience. But this Indian has more confident than any other side. This Final gonna be experience batting & bowling line up VS inform batting and bowling line up!!! MSD has left with one major trophy that's #CT, lets see who has luck. Best of luck of for both the team.

  • on June 21, 2013, 19:02 GMT

    India have to maintain cool as they were throughout the tournament , one more day for captain cool to bring home the cup.very happy to see india striking form and proving themselves world champions . England in their home is tough but team india got all spices to choke them. Come on india

  • subbass on June 21, 2013, 18:58 GMT

    Very silly not to have 1-2 even 3 reserve days for a final with our weather. Be a shame if the trophy was 'shared as it would be such an anti-climax to what has been a fairly entertaining tournament. Lets hope the rain gods are kind and may the best team win.

    Best chance for England is to bowl first in helpful conditions, if they can not end up in that scenario, India are worthy favourites as their batting, bowling(even Ishant is taking wjts!) and fielding has looked superb so far. They look a fine one day side, be interesting to see if they can start winning Test series away from home and whether any of the 50 over players step up to the test side.

  • Allanwilliams23 on June 21, 2013, 18:30 GMT

    I Hope we get to see them play , India is the better team , In Cricket you Never know who is the better Team on the Day will like to see , That's Why I don,t Like Cricket I LOVE IT All the Best May the best team Win

  • cricdick on June 21, 2013, 18:20 GMT

    No doubt Cook is an able leader and England is probably the best team. However they show pompous arrogance when they are winning against subcontinent and thats not cricket.

  • Hate.ME on June 21, 2013, 18:12 GMT

    England batsmen are in-form, knows the English conditions well. Pace attack is better than India. Fielding is top class. So I feel Eng are favorite to win the tournament. But one dept. where Ind can go ahead and might even with the match is Spin Attack. Jadeja and Ashwin are in red hot form. Even on surface in last match against SL where thr was moisture in pitch both were extracting spin and bounce. So watch out ! Shall be a good contest.

  • kesoo on June 21, 2013, 18:07 GMT

    I think this is not a trophy of equals. SA, PAK, AUS are relatively new teams with many rookies. IND, WI are in building stage experimenting with less experienced players. The most established teams with stable big names and less rookies are SL, NZ and ENG. England mostly captued the dominance with discipline that came with the experience of these players. NZ as usual was wayward and SL succumbed to India's confidence.

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  • kesoo on June 21, 2013, 18:07 GMT

    I think this is not a trophy of equals. SA, PAK, AUS are relatively new teams with many rookies. IND, WI are in building stage experimenting with less experienced players. The most established teams with stable big names and less rookies are SL, NZ and ENG. England mostly captued the dominance with discipline that came with the experience of these players. NZ as usual was wayward and SL succumbed to India's confidence.

  • Hate.ME on June 21, 2013, 18:12 GMT

    England batsmen are in-form, knows the English conditions well. Pace attack is better than India. Fielding is top class. So I feel Eng are favorite to win the tournament. But one dept. where Ind can go ahead and might even with the match is Spin Attack. Jadeja and Ashwin are in red hot form. Even on surface in last match against SL where thr was moisture in pitch both were extracting spin and bounce. So watch out ! Shall be a good contest.

  • cricdick on June 21, 2013, 18:20 GMT

    No doubt Cook is an able leader and England is probably the best team. However they show pompous arrogance when they are winning against subcontinent and thats not cricket.

  • Allanwilliams23 on June 21, 2013, 18:30 GMT

    I Hope we get to see them play , India is the better team , In Cricket you Never know who is the better Team on the Day will like to see , That's Why I don,t Like Cricket I LOVE IT All the Best May the best team Win

  • subbass on June 21, 2013, 18:58 GMT

    Very silly not to have 1-2 even 3 reserve days for a final with our weather. Be a shame if the trophy was 'shared as it would be such an anti-climax to what has been a fairly entertaining tournament. Lets hope the rain gods are kind and may the best team win.

    Best chance for England is to bowl first in helpful conditions, if they can not end up in that scenario, India are worthy favourites as their batting, bowling(even Ishant is taking wjts!) and fielding has looked superb so far. They look a fine one day side, be interesting to see if they can start winning Test series away from home and whether any of the 50 over players step up to the test side.

  • on June 21, 2013, 19:02 GMT

    India have to maintain cool as they were throughout the tournament , one more day for captain cool to bring home the cup.very happy to see india striking form and proving themselves world champions . England in their home is tough but team india got all spices to choke them. Come on india

  • on June 21, 2013, 19:03 GMT

    In any game always the better side will win!!! Coming to #CT final, both the team has chance to emerge as last champ of #CT. England has good batting line up with experience and better bowling than India compared to form as well as experience. But this Indian has more confident than any other side. This Final gonna be experience batting & bowling line up VS inform batting and bowling line up!!! MSD has left with one major trophy that's #CT, lets see who has luck. Best of luck of for both the team.

  • Tribal_Cricket on June 21, 2013, 19:18 GMT

    India has a much better big match temperament and I think that would be a key factor in the match. While India have won tournaments in the recent past England have never been able to win a 50 over tournament as yet! So will be interesting to see how they approach this game. I think Anderson Vs the Indian openers will decide the contest.

  • SnowSnake on June 21, 2013, 19:21 GMT

    Let's face it England has been lucky to be in the final. Against NZ, Cook's catches were dropped a couple times and SA just choked. India is also know for its batting collapses so England could win. However, if India were to win, England will be beaten so badly that Trott will be proven wrong for proving people wrong. Neither English batting or bowling is that impressive to me. The group England belonged to was just a week group. SA should not have gone to semis because WI almost beat SA.

  • indianamol on June 21, 2013, 19:27 GMT

    I feel the words coming little earlier than it should come (or maybe they are not sure if they will have a chance to say this after CT final!). England only defeated Australia who were nowhere in the competition because of poor form, New Zealand, always a weak side and South Africa, a depleted side due to the absence of their key players. Nevertheless they already lost a series against New Zealand and lost to a competitive team in Sri Lanka. I would be more pleased if I would have heard it from an Englishman after winning the CT. It will be a toughest task for them. Hope to see a good battle.