England v India, World T20, Group A, Colombo September 23, 2012

Broad spins in England defence

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Stuart Broad found himself in a familiar position for England captains - trying to explain a calamitous display against spin bowling - as his side, dismissed against India for 80 in 14.4 overs, registered England's lowest total in Twenty20 internationals.

"It doesn't change our destiny a huge amount - we still hop on a bus to Kandy in the morning," Broad said. "It is not like tomorrow is going to be a different day. It is not as if we have to go home or anything."

It was understandable, indeed it was necessary, that Broad found consolation in the fact that both sides had already qualified for Super Eights and that, for the sake of their travelling supporters, England and India were already locked into matches in Pallekele (near to Kandy) or Colombo respectively, irrespective of whether they finished first or second in the group.

But that underplayed the psychological effect that a defeat of such magnitude will have on a relatively untried England batting line-up that had grown in confidence during the warm-up matches but which collapsed spectacularly when faced by the first real test against significant opposition.

As Broad had mentioned destiny, he did bring to mind Freud's theory of repetition compulsion - a psychological phenomenon in which a person (or in this case the England cricket team) repeats a traumatic event, or its circumstances, over and over again.

Freud's theory says the patient does not remember anything about what he has forgotten or repressed, but just acts it out until the end of time, which is a depressing thought for when England next face spin bowling in Asia as well as an intriguing challenge for the team psychologist. The alternative, of course, would be to listen instead to Mushtaq Ahmed, the spin bowling coach, and start hitting the ball down the ground.

"Our error today is we lost early wickets," Broad said. "Spinners always enjoy bowling to new batsmen. We talked the other day about how we need to hit straight and hard and today to lose the first couple of wickets across the line was a bit disappointing. Hitting straight was a much better option than going across the ball."

England's display was so woeful that when they lost their ninth wicket at 60 they were in danger of recording the lowest score in T20 internationals, undercutting Kenya's 67 against Ireland. Somehow, they avoided that. But this was their heaviest defeat, by runs, in T20 internationals.

There was no alibi for the batsmen and Broad was not about to give them one. There was no sharp turn - there may be as the tournament progresses so if England do reach the semi-finals and face India once more at Premadasa it could be worse - and India's 170 for 4 was, at most, 10 over par so the target did not demand the impossible.

"I don't think the wicket turned massively to be honest," Broad said. "The guys getting out said it was just skidding on a little bit. There was a little bit of turn, Harbhajan bowled very nicely with his top-spinner going well but no, I don't think it was a raging turner or anything.

"We made it easy for India in the end. We will have to learn from our mistakes and there were some pretty clear ones in the batting line-up. Young guys seem to learn pretty quickly."

He did not entirely exonerate the bowling, where England suffered in this match by giving Tim Bresnan a run out as a fourth seamer, in defiance of a dry pitch, because of their conviction that the ball will seam and swing in Pallakele and he will play in their opening Super Eight tie against West Indies or Ireland on Thursday as a result. The fielding was also scrappy by England standards, but these were details compared to the car crash of a batting performance.

"I think we were a little bit sloppy in places: we had a few soft twos in the outfield," Broad conceded. "We didn't hit our lengths as well as we could up front. But I think it was the lowest first-innings score on this ground so far in the tournament. We thought it was very chaseable. The wicket was pretty flat, although it didn't have the pace in it that it had the other night.

"It will be interesting to see what the Pallakele wickets offer. There has been talk that in the Sri Lankan Premier League it seamed around a bit. We knew it was a bit dryer at the start but we wanted to try a different balance of side with the four seamers in a game that we could afford to lose. It was a risk that we took and it didn't help us."

Sunil Gavaskar, the former India captain, was quick to point out England's deficiencies. "This is a sorry display from England," he said. "There's been a lack of footwork, application and the will to stick around and fight it out." It was accurate enough but England regard Gavaskar as a serial critic; perhaps this is a comment that will be heading for the dressing room wall.

David Hopps is the UK editor of ESPNcricinfo

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  • JG2704 on September 26, 2012, 7:59 GMT

    @phoenixsteve on (September 25 2012, 20:35 PM GMT) I've aired my views re spinners on another thread. Re Broad's batting. TBH batting is definitely and a smaller string to his bow and while he - like all our batsmen - were poor in the last game , in one of the T20s vs SA only him and Swann made the score respectable. Worried about all our pacers radars at the moment but we can't expect Broad and other lower order to work miracles with the bat when our main batsmen have made a pigs ear of it

  • phoenixsteve on September 25, 2012, 20:35 GMT

    Part of the problem is in fact Broad himself! England need to turn to there own spin bowling. Two quicks is enough and I guess they should be Finn and Broad? What's happened to Stuarts batting though? Surely the burden of capataincy isn't effecting his batting? It been proven that in this T20 tournament the slower bowlers are the harder to score off? Swann was England's best bowler in the Indian fiiasco and what were the selectors thinking only playing one spinner? It not as if the third seamer (Bresnan) is any good. The poor guy looks completely out of his depth and brings nothing to the party. I'm sure he's a nice guy and popular in the dresssing room but come on? The batting against India's slow bowlers (they weren't even spinning it) MIGHT serve as a huge wake up call and an abondonment of these ridiculous paddle shots and reverse sweeps - at least until a good start has been established. Resort to the high risk stuff after a good solid start. COME ON ENGLAND!!!

  • on September 25, 2012, 12:36 GMT

    Well Australia still by far the weakest team in the super 8's, but England now firmly in 7th position. I doubt they will progress further, and frankly don't much care either.

  • on September 25, 2012, 12:06 GMT

    @RandyOz Your comment is so ironic it's unbelievable. U talk about 'lack of talent' when u have Bailey as captain, and a 42 yr old spinner!

  • on September 25, 2012, 11:35 GMT

    Stuart Broad was already shaping up as the Next Big Thing of English cricket when he pushed his career into overdrive in a sensational spell of bowling

  • Potatis on September 25, 2012, 11:23 GMT

    From reading many of the comments here, you'd think that KP must play a match winning performance every time he goes out to bat. If England win, they don't need him. If they lose, they WOULD have won if KP was in the side, because afterall, England has never lost with him in their side, have they?

  • Heisenburg on September 25, 2012, 10:52 GMT

    England is the worst team of the super eights, Broad isn't a great captain, and his bowling is awful, best team would be this. 1) Hales 2) Bell 3) Shah 4) Pietersen 5) Morgan 6) Prior 7) Wright 8) Woakes 9) Bresnan 10) Swann 11) Finn

  • JG2704 on September 25, 2012, 8:30 GMT

    @Nampally on (September 23 2012, 23:46 PM GMT) Bell and KP were awful in UAE. Bell scored a 50 in the whole UAE/SL tour and KP scored that big ton in SL. I feel KP is a big loss but that's the way it is. I'd have played Briggs before Patel , but possibly also Patel instead of another pacer. As for Bopara - his dropping was fair enough. His recent batting has been poor and his T20 SR isn't great either and his bowling (which had probably kept him in the side) was poor last time out

  • JG2704 on September 25, 2012, 8:29 GMT

    @mgr125128 on (September 24 2012, 15:30 PM GMT) We'll never know. The fact is that Dimitri and Shah haven't played for England for a few years and we've done well in this format (inc in India and UAE) without them. Bopara has been in woeful form lately anyway and correct me if I'm wrong , he tried to get in IPL this year and wasn't bid for along with Swann,Anderson and Bell so ECB have nothing to do with our players playing IPL or not. Their only proviso was not having players playing IPL when England are playing - meaning KP. I'm not against our players playing IPL at all but to do that the Franchises have to bid on them and if they don't bid for our players who make themselves available for IPL then how can ECB be blamed for that? Re KP - remember England were still picking him for tests after he chose to retire from T20s/ODIs so surely if the decision was at all IPL related they'd have dropped him then?

  • JG2704 on September 25, 2012, 8:29 GMT

    @R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (September 24 2012, 19:45 PM GMT) I doubt Hales would have been in the side if KP was around. I'm pretty sure that KP would have been opening with Kieswetter. Having said that , KP had retired from ODIs/T20s himself which led to Hales coming in so it wasn't KP being ousted which led to Hales inclusion , it was KP ditching England

  • JG2704 on September 26, 2012, 7:59 GMT

    @phoenixsteve on (September 25 2012, 20:35 PM GMT) I've aired my views re spinners on another thread. Re Broad's batting. TBH batting is definitely and a smaller string to his bow and while he - like all our batsmen - were poor in the last game , in one of the T20s vs SA only him and Swann made the score respectable. Worried about all our pacers radars at the moment but we can't expect Broad and other lower order to work miracles with the bat when our main batsmen have made a pigs ear of it

  • phoenixsteve on September 25, 2012, 20:35 GMT

    Part of the problem is in fact Broad himself! England need to turn to there own spin bowling. Two quicks is enough and I guess they should be Finn and Broad? What's happened to Stuarts batting though? Surely the burden of capataincy isn't effecting his batting? It been proven that in this T20 tournament the slower bowlers are the harder to score off? Swann was England's best bowler in the Indian fiiasco and what were the selectors thinking only playing one spinner? It not as if the third seamer (Bresnan) is any good. The poor guy looks completely out of his depth and brings nothing to the party. I'm sure he's a nice guy and popular in the dresssing room but come on? The batting against India's slow bowlers (they weren't even spinning it) MIGHT serve as a huge wake up call and an abondonment of these ridiculous paddle shots and reverse sweeps - at least until a good start has been established. Resort to the high risk stuff after a good solid start. COME ON ENGLAND!!!

  • on September 25, 2012, 12:36 GMT

    Well Australia still by far the weakest team in the super 8's, but England now firmly in 7th position. I doubt they will progress further, and frankly don't much care either.

  • on September 25, 2012, 12:06 GMT

    @RandyOz Your comment is so ironic it's unbelievable. U talk about 'lack of talent' when u have Bailey as captain, and a 42 yr old spinner!

  • on September 25, 2012, 11:35 GMT

    Stuart Broad was already shaping up as the Next Big Thing of English cricket when he pushed his career into overdrive in a sensational spell of bowling

  • Potatis on September 25, 2012, 11:23 GMT

    From reading many of the comments here, you'd think that KP must play a match winning performance every time he goes out to bat. If England win, they don't need him. If they lose, they WOULD have won if KP was in the side, because afterall, England has never lost with him in their side, have they?

  • Heisenburg on September 25, 2012, 10:52 GMT

    England is the worst team of the super eights, Broad isn't a great captain, and his bowling is awful, best team would be this. 1) Hales 2) Bell 3) Shah 4) Pietersen 5) Morgan 6) Prior 7) Wright 8) Woakes 9) Bresnan 10) Swann 11) Finn

  • JG2704 on September 25, 2012, 8:30 GMT

    @Nampally on (September 23 2012, 23:46 PM GMT) Bell and KP were awful in UAE. Bell scored a 50 in the whole UAE/SL tour and KP scored that big ton in SL. I feel KP is a big loss but that's the way it is. I'd have played Briggs before Patel , but possibly also Patel instead of another pacer. As for Bopara - his dropping was fair enough. His recent batting has been poor and his T20 SR isn't great either and his bowling (which had probably kept him in the side) was poor last time out

  • JG2704 on September 25, 2012, 8:29 GMT

    @mgr125128 on (September 24 2012, 15:30 PM GMT) We'll never know. The fact is that Dimitri and Shah haven't played for England for a few years and we've done well in this format (inc in India and UAE) without them. Bopara has been in woeful form lately anyway and correct me if I'm wrong , he tried to get in IPL this year and wasn't bid for along with Swann,Anderson and Bell so ECB have nothing to do with our players playing IPL or not. Their only proviso was not having players playing IPL when England are playing - meaning KP. I'm not against our players playing IPL at all but to do that the Franchises have to bid on them and if they don't bid for our players who make themselves available for IPL then how can ECB be blamed for that? Re KP - remember England were still picking him for tests after he chose to retire from T20s/ODIs so surely if the decision was at all IPL related they'd have dropped him then?

  • JG2704 on September 25, 2012, 8:29 GMT

    @R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (September 24 2012, 19:45 PM GMT) I doubt Hales would have been in the side if KP was around. I'm pretty sure that KP would have been opening with Kieswetter. Having said that , KP had retired from ODIs/T20s himself which led to Hales coming in so it wasn't KP being ousted which led to Hales inclusion , it was KP ditching England

  • JG2704 on September 25, 2012, 8:29 GMT

    @WishW on (September 25 2012, 05:06 AM GMT) It depends on situations. If we have to chase decent totals against those spinners then we do have problems , but I don't think that was a 170 pitch. Swann is as consistent as pretty much any spinner in this format as he showed vs India and in other recent games. We also have Briggs who has been good in domestic T20s and Patel who can do a good job ,You are being melodramatic to say any team doesn't stand a chance at this stage in the tournament based on one bad performance.@ Dannov747 on (September 24 2012, 23:47 PM GMT) Any team is a danger in this format. I would not say Eng's group is significantly easier and we were playing in this group whether we won or lost so SMART MOVE it was not.

  • RandyOZ on September 25, 2012, 8:05 GMT

    I've seen many poor England teams, but the lack of talent at the moment is incredible.

  • WishW on September 25, 2012, 5:06 GMT

    @Dannov747..smart move?that's funny..the likes of Mendis,Narine,Gayle and Macculum will simply destroy England...they don't stand a chance in either group..

  • WishW on September 25, 2012, 3:26 GMT

    this what happens when the great KP doesn't play..simple..

  • Sunman81 on September 25, 2012, 3:17 GMT

    @Dannov747 I think most of them are getting it wrong with the format... Super8 schedule is based on pre-tournament seeding... so even if England won the match they would have still grouped along with SL, NZ and Windies... So I don't think it is smart play anyways!

  • recycle-bin-is-empty on September 25, 2012, 3:04 GMT

    All is not lost, infact nothing is lost but a confident mood in English camp might have dipped down but they can regain their confidence and momentum back by defeating SL in their next stage. I believe England can still qualify for semis and who knows maybe even the finals if they happen to meet Aus or SA in the semis.

  • Dannov747 on September 24, 2012, 23:47 GMT

    Oooh yeah. This was a great performance by our boys. Considering the best teams (Pakistan, Australia and South Africa) will be in Group 1, it was SMART to lose this match and go to Group 2 (Sri Lanka, New Zealand and West indies.) There we can easily move to the semis. Smart move by Broad and Flower!

  • on September 24, 2012, 21:53 GMT

    @ Patchmaster Prior is not in the side due to several limited overs failures a few yrs ago. However,he is a totally different player now, and England are crazy in my (and your,i'm guessing) opinion to omit him. Kieswetter is a average keeper at best, and a one dimensional batsman who overly favours the off side. Many people have been calling for Prior's inclusion for a while now, but our management don't appear to want to listen. They seem to have their favourites; the aforementioned kieswetter (who imo opinion should be dropped regardless of Prior-as we have Bairstow and Buttler, who keep just as well) , and the skipper himself; who has been humiliated in limited overs formats many times. Against Ireland he lost us the game, and last WC he conceded 36 runs off Yuvi's bat in one over, these are the one's just off the top of my head! Thankfully this game was completely dead in terms of the competition, but so will England's challenge be, unless we see a dramatic improvement SOON

  • kc69 on September 24, 2012, 21:34 GMT

    For Broad this is just a trailer the full movie will be this winter.Better start working on spin lads.

  • Patchmaster on September 24, 2012, 21:32 GMT

    Why on earth is Prior not in the side ? He is one of the worlds best keepers, and CAN play spin and bat very aggressively - so surely he has to be in the side ? Broad is bowling terribly and for some reason has forgotten how to bat, but the problem is now that they can't drop the captain. Eoin Morgan should be captain, or even Graham Swann.

  • yorkslanka on September 24, 2012, 20:16 GMT

    wow, if broad were a turkey, he'd vote for christmas too....

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on September 24, 2012, 19:45 GMT

    @gagguv (post on September 24 2012, 06:04 AM GMT): how have Hales and Broad benefited from KP's ousting? Hales would have made it into the team as an opener anyway, and Broad pretends to be a BOWLER who can swing the bat a little when he warms his milk a little in the morning. Really... One hopeless display by a team that is renowned for incompetence against spin, and suddenly Mr Mercenary KP is supposed to be their saviour!

  • yorkshirematt on September 24, 2012, 19:44 GMT

    @jb663 Couldn't agree more. Some very good points made there. Most of us know how poor we are at playing spin and wish something would be done about it, and I imagine Indian fans are the same when they play outside Asia. I wish people wouldn't read too much into comments by a minority of english fans and think all of us are like that. Please publish.

  • Long-Leg on September 24, 2012, 19:35 GMT

    The problem with playing so many youngsters is that youngsters are always inconsistent. They may be talented, but there was bound to be a collapse at some point with such an inexperienced team. England fans should be thankful that it happened in this match and not in a game that carried more importance (though that may occur). It is highly amusing that so many Indian fans are calling for the return of Kevin Pietersen as England's saviour. He couldn't buy a run in UAE against spin.

  • on September 24, 2012, 18:27 GMT

    Bangladesh should have been playing England. Sigh.

  • jb633 on September 24, 2012, 18:00 GMT

    I see England getting a thumping this winter and we royally deserve one. Until the ECB focuses on winning in Asia and not just Oz/ SA then we will never, ever play spin properly there. At the end of the day in Asia I would rather have a batsman who could not play the short ball and liked the slow stuff. India and SL will only ever produce spinners and yet we seem suprised that we are facing the stuff. It really really baffles me as to why we can't learn. Instead of sending kids out to Oz send them to India and let them play a few seasons on rank turners. BTW Indian fans most English fans have no issue with turning pitches at all. In fact it makes for a good game. We have a problem with our players batting on them is all lol

  • jb633 on September 24, 2012, 17:54 GMT

    I have to agree with any comment slamming our team against spinners. Yet again we have glossed over the shambolic batting performace against Pakistan spin and looked only at the overall outcome. Our media keep saying it is a blip etc but it keeps happeneing. I do not understand how they expect a great comeback from players who techincally can't play spin. It is not mental but technical, which for me is more of a worry. I honestly think our selction processes are all wrong. We should pick players who can play spin for our sun continental tours and players who prefer pace on in England. Whatever we hear from the ECB about consistency etc is all rubbish. The method works on bouncy non- turning tracks. When we come on a turner then we look like school kids. I can't stand the way our media approach our weakness against spin. They focus on how well we played Narine at home, but news to you our pitches don't spin a jot any more. Kieswetter should go for sure and Prior in, he can play spin.

  • Nampally on September 24, 2012, 16:09 GMT

    @jG 2704: I fully agree if England had played a second spinner like Patel in the side, they could have saved at least 20 runs. Also Patel plays the spinners better & would have contributed to the total. KP & Bell are the best players of spin bowling along with Trott in the test matches. In T-20 there are other batsmen like Owais Shaw & Bopara who play in the IPL & perform well. England inexplicably dropped Bopara from the squad even when he was available. Bairstow, Butler, Morgan may be good in the English conditions but were all at sea against Harbhajan & Chawla, both reserve bowlers. Also England gave too many runs by thinking the Indian batsmen will be intimidated with short balls (over 60% were short balls) but it back fired on Broad - the seamers bowled at 8 runs/over! England was also fortunate not to see the opener Sehwag in the XI. Footwork & focus on selection of right balls to hit is critical in T-20. Slogging 6's is not a way out or even possible, as England thought it was!.

  • mgr125128 on September 24, 2012, 15:30 GMT

    No wonder IPL franchisee do not select English players ( except KP) because their head simply starts spinning moment they hear word "spinner" . This is probably one of main reasons ECB is jealous of IPL success and is causing issues for players who want to be part of IPL. Is it not coincidental all those English players who are in demand in IPL are exactly ones in trouble with ECB or not in team like KP, Bopara, OwaIs Shah , Mascerhana.... I am sure a batting lineup consisting of KP,Bopara,Shah,Dimitri would have got close to Indian total if not chase it down. But ECB has ego issues and tha is hurting thme. If they accept facts and embrace IPL their players will soon learn to play spin like Aussies and SAfricans who now play spin quite well. I am sure KP alond would have scored 80 the overall team score by England against India.

  • on September 24, 2012, 15:19 GMT

    First of all England is projecting Broad who is not worthy- anderson stands at 80 and where broad scrawling at 30 in any bench marks ; and then coming to spin i have never seen better spin players ( other than Paul colling wood ,Strauss and KP ) in recent days ; then whatever the off field behaviours of KP - He is one of the most talented- classic -aggressive best cricket batsman player in the history of cricket ; No doubt he plays peak standard in cricket ; You england you lack acting FIRE in Belly :::::: do not think and be in the impression that england some how produce best beware in new era other places are putting damm big effort and innovative progress ::

  • on September 24, 2012, 13:31 GMT

    Same like English football team, this average English team is highly over rated. They made to appear that club standard bowlers like Chawla unplayable. Now England is awaiting for brown wash in test & ODI's in INDIA that will make Indian media to scream Dhoni is the greatest and Team India is greatest ever!

  • vamsipvs on September 24, 2012, 13:06 GMT

    Finally, good cricket from India and bad luck for ENGLAND :)

  • on September 24, 2012, 12:35 GMT

    England can make a comeback..But, they should forget this match and start a fresh..

  • suresh-pala on September 24, 2012, 11:01 GMT

    well done india.....i hope it will continue till the end........

  • DravidLaxmanGangulyKumbleSehwag on September 24, 2012, 10:26 GMT

    Still England can survive in Super8s by including Graham Gooch & Andy flower...

  • on September 24, 2012, 9:50 GMT

    @srirangam12..you need to get some more cricketing knowledge before saying that Indians are weak against pace and bounce..if we create rank turners in India and you loose heavily then all of sudden there would be harakiri about the pitches..but on the other hand when you produce green and fast wickets to suit your mediocre attack then you would say ..Oh well bowled..Don't forget that we have defeated you many times in England in last decade..but you are still to win a series in India be in tests or one dayers...Inventors of cricket have only one world cup to show for but we have three of them and two of them are from outside sub-continent...Check you knowledge and then comment on Indian legends..

  • yorkshirematt on September 24, 2012, 9:49 GMT

    "Hitting straight was a much better option than going across the ball." Well OBVIOUSLY!!! There's no point talking about how you should be playing spin if you can't actually do it out in the middle. They won't learn. I hope gavaskar's words do go up on the dressing room wall. If it reminds them what they should be doing against spin before they go out to bat.

  • sharidas on September 24, 2012, 9:27 GMT

    Lets not get carried away by what happened yesterday. Considering that losing the match did not matter, England could have played a bit by taking chances. Had it been the second round or knock out stage, I am pretty sure that no team would have been so careless....at least I hope so. If not, then, Andy Flower and his team needs to take a good look at what needs to be done.

  • karthik666 on September 24, 2012, 9:24 GMT

    srirangam12 - ur comment was funny

  • tommyb1234 on September 24, 2012, 9:13 GMT

    Stuart 'I'll bang it in short' Broad should never even have been close to captaining England in T20. He is the most overrated player I have seen our selectors put faith in and I strongly fear that what's to come is irreversible due to their stubborn history. Broad will go on to captain the Test side regardless of a career that will be mediocre at best. To think we're protecting the likes of him against including the world class Pietersen is outrageous. Pietersen might have scored more than 80 on his own yesterday, it is the entire England set up that need to have a good look at the mess they and not just Pietersen alone have created.

  • on September 24, 2012, 9:04 GMT

    England lack the quality spin players in the current squad. where is the players Ian Bell who is extremely good in recent one-dayers. Bopara should play. some how I feel Owasis shaw would have been added. in these spinner friendly pitches.

  • wc1992 on September 24, 2012, 9:00 GMT

    oh please harjen singh is the most over rated player .....look at his t20 wickets yes he got some wicket in dead rubber and against eng which saeed ajaml has been spinning with his fingers ...........just look at last t20against Pak he got greated with 6 of his first ball and not wicket .......he is good defensive bowler with oppositon need 10 runs / over then he does a good job of restricted them but nothing else ....ont he other hand the Man Saeed Ajmal got 4 for 33 yes more tuns but look at the match who he won rather then defend ...he is the only spinner that bowls last over to win the match not DEFEND ......

  • on September 24, 2012, 8:43 GMT

    WELL DONE INDIA.DHONI DESERVES APPRICIATION FOR THE TEAM SELECTION AND ONE MATHCH FOR EVERY PLAYER IN THE TEAM.KEEP IT UP TEAM INDIA IN SUPER EIGHT MATCHES TOO.COMPETITION FOR SPINNERS PLACES HAS INCREASED TREMENDOUSLY.

  • JG2704 on September 24, 2012, 8:35 GMT

    @Nampally on (September 23 2012, 23:46 PM GMT) Agree with most of what you say except for Bell , who was hopeless in UAE against spin and scored just 1 50 in 10-15 inns in UAE/SL combined. I also say that going in with just 1 spinning option was crazy.

  • DINESHCC on September 24, 2012, 8:11 GMT

    RAMESH BALAKRISHNAN: How?

  • bipulkumar on September 24, 2012, 7:54 GMT

    England has created a team of pinch hitters. They will always struggle with quality bowling. They should have retained at least 1 from cook, bell or trott.

  • on September 24, 2012, 7:45 GMT

    This is exactly why England should have more spin-friendly pitches back home. To develop players to blossom out of their mediocrity into someone who is top class. Too bad they left out the only player who knew how to play on all surfaces and against all attacks! More on that coming up this November.....

  • Nehans on September 24, 2012, 7:41 GMT

    @satish619chandar yes they already did that is why they have a rush meeting and hopefully will get a contract sign from him for 12 months beginning Oct 1.

  • on September 24, 2012, 7:41 GMT

    the cricket boards are so arrogant that they are ready to leave their best players for their reputation...kp and gayle are examples......england lost bcoz they lacked trott,kp .....bt india is suffering of dhoni's form...he is just wasting bonus delivires...even balaji isnt able to do anything...my team for next match: gautam gambhir,sehwag,kohli,raina,rohit,dhoni,irfan,harbhajan,chawla,ashwin and any fast bowler(all are useless)....yuvi is not in his greatest of touch..he must be left out and irfan ,harbhajan chawala can bat.so no probelm with batting against new unexperienced australian bowlers......the main hurdle in path to semis is south africa ,packed with morkels,steyn,ab,faf,levi,kaliis...all can win the match for them single handedly...pak....indian batsman ar enough for them...and bowlin is inproved too...and austalia is campaigning wih unepriceind side with maxwell,staric,pattinson,christian,bailey..so india must do their bet in batting..then this bowling tends to defend o

  • on September 24, 2012, 7:32 GMT

    After the live telecast I went through the England innings all over again on YouTube and truly could not find any devil in the spin bowling. What it boiled down to was while India batted they accorded Swann the respect he deserved on a dry wicket India took less runs of Swann but gave him only one wicket. England did not respect Harbhajan he is always a different bowler once he gets a wicket early, even Piyush Chawla the Rohit Sharma of Indian bowling started sending down his gentle leg spinners and beating lower order batters with turn. It was about respecting the only experienced bowler in the India team but England thought they could trounce Bhajji psychologically, this does not count anything towards the Test Matches as Cook, Bell, Trott will be back but this England batting line up is pathetic, why they dont include Owais Shah in subcontinental conditions in T20 is a mystery to me.

  • theBand on September 24, 2012, 7:10 GMT

    One man could have made the difference and he is in commentary. Poor England

  • sharidas on September 24, 2012, 6:54 GMT

    Though I am happy that India did well to beat England, it again highlights a simple fact of Twenty/Twenty Cricket. A team can go through the league stages, but one bad day in the knock-out and you are done for.

  • srirangam12 on September 24, 2012, 6:47 GMT

    Well Sir, how very true that one Mr. Gavaskar is a serial critique of anything English - from incessant rain to their ability to play spin! Probably the real truth is English are fantastic players of pace & swing, spin & curl and bounce & roll - its just that they deliberately play badly against spin very often... its not a weakness.. weakness is what Indian batsmen have against pace, swing and bounce. And inability to handle pace makes them very poor players, flat track bullies and devoid of any real cricketing ability worth admiring and worse, unworthy of No.1 status. English are the real heroes.. just d**n those who speak about their perceived weakness against spin. Hail the English Cricket team. And Pl listen to Mr. Nasser Hussien for real objective analysis of cricket matches involving India.

  • on September 24, 2012, 6:32 GMT

    Why do I get the impression that this England side was picked less on ability and merit than on being junior to the England captain? The ECB may to their great regret find that they have "blooded" their young captain in a way they certainly did not intend. One hopes.

  • on September 24, 2012, 6:28 GMT

    England need to change their team for the next match... No KP, Bell or Shah.. Their bowling Ok.

    Lumb, Hales, Kieswetter, Bopara, Morgan, Patel, Wright,Bresnan, Swann, Broad, Finn is the best I think. They have Bresnan at No. 8 to bat and Bopara and wright can bowl with slow off cutters in these conditions... two spinners already their.. Lumb has played in IPL and Experienced also their... This is the best 11 we can select to keep some hope in the future matches...

  • arun_nva on September 24, 2012, 6:27 GMT

    @Rajavel-Cricket, sorry Buddy the next 2 T20 WCs aew also to happen in Sub continent(Bangla and India), so no chance for ENG to win T20WC for next 4 yrs, if they dont improve their batting against Spin.

  • on September 24, 2012, 6:24 GMT

    If Afghanistan had beaten India, England would have gone out of the tournament by this defeat..

  • gagguv on September 24, 2012, 6:04 GMT

    The arrogance of English cricket!! Broad is too cocky to admit his and his team's shortcomings. In reply to Naseer Hussain in presentation ceremony also he was adamant that nothing was wrong. Perhaps in his mind was fact that has he admitted it the next question would have been about KP. With coming days its getting clear that apart from KP himself, Broad, Swann and Anderson are instrumental in KP's ouster. Whereas Broad is from same county itself from where KP was shunned out, it doesnt help matters that so-called parody twitter account was opened by a friend of Broad and Hales and both are benefiting from KP's ouster. That guys simple denial that Broad and Hales are not involved is too easy to digest. But then you see wrong where you want to see it. Had it been KP's friend and Broad would have been in KP's shoes, I dont think that that denial would have been accepted by ECB. Double Standards!!

  • satish619chandar on September 24, 2012, 5:56 GMT

    Does anyone still feel England are not missing the man in the commentary box now? I think he could have built an innings of capability to go anywhere near the target. I am not saying he WILL do it. But he is the most capable of doing it.

  • ajayrcs on September 24, 2012, 5:36 GMT

    Well i don't think this loss was bad for England. What i think is a loss at early stages is good first to judge yourself second to be more carefull for next match. So only team who gain some thing was England not India.ONE Loss is inevitable in such big tournament. India going to super Eight without any loss.

  • sweetspot on September 24, 2012, 4:48 GMT

    Let me put this honestly on behalf of England - "We thought we would play just as well without KP. India needs to be battered psychologically, so all our batsmen were told to go after the bowling, no matter what the bowling was. In any case, losing on a spin friendly wicket doesn't really count, does it?"

  • on September 24, 2012, 4:46 GMT

    The moment a team looses, people start talking about the bench. If that guys who sat out had played, England would have won. If and Buts....heh? Someone might claim, if Sehwag had played, India would have hit 250. They are all hypothetical. But not ready to accept that England were outdone by India. Imagine it was not even a spinning track. After that jumping around winning only home matches, England is now facing the truth that they do not deserve to be world champions

  • DaisonGarvasis on September 24, 2012, 4:36 GMT

    "We made it easy for India in the end (by not playing Kevin Pieterson). We will have to learn from our mistakes and there were some pretty clear ones in the batting line-up (a batting line-up with out KP the most obvious one). Young guys seem to learn pretty quickly (and some OLD guys in the EBC too need to learn pretty quickly)."

  • Fast_Track_Bully on September 24, 2012, 4:27 GMT

    Good work by India and smart move by Dhoni. He dropped Sewag and Zak which is good fro the team. Even if Sewag was there, he will score as much as Pathan only. Anyway English fans got what they deserved.

  • on September 24, 2012, 4:22 GMT

    matches cant win by comments before play starts u should perform on the field n ur in spin territory english man its indian atmosphere here in Lanka so think and speak accept that we r still lions in our areas where we have beaten u ppl in ur areas even

  • WishW on September 24, 2012, 3:53 GMT

    What else did the English expect when they dropped their best batsman ever?the great KP who is out doing commentary...hilarious

  • JonB007 on September 24, 2012, 3:52 GMT

    Well I look at it this way, Broad, Swann, the twitter account instigator and whoever else there was got bitten by the monkey in their butt. Yes KP acted immature, but, who know how long these 3+ Englishmen were taunting him(bet this is going on since KP quit as captain) and making fun of KP(looks like they were doing it in the dressing room too)& then that blew KP's top & then he retaliated. This matter will not be solved till ECB, etc. find out the whole and I mean the whole truth & take proper action against these instigators.

  • shekar_1987 on September 24, 2012, 3:49 GMT

    It was foolish of england to drop KP.... he would have shown how to play in these situations!!!!

  • CUPULW on September 24, 2012, 3:30 GMT

    Is it the smirk on Broad's face or his arrogant speaches that I want to see England lose and lose badly, get really thrashed, taken to the cleaners ? Somehow with skippers like Dhoni, Mahela, Hafeez, Taylor, even Baily one feels for the losing side no matter where they come from. But with Broad as England captain it's a pleasure to see them lose everytime no matter who they play against. Maybe he is the chip off the old block; little talent but lot of tantrums :)

  • satish619chandar on September 24, 2012, 3:17 GMT

    What England had to do? Instead of bashing it and losing wickets, they nee to look out to play out 10 overs for around 80-2/3 wickets. Because the big hitters they got in Bairstow and Buttler are pure smokers. As far as i saw in internationals, they haven't exactly built an innings till now. Then why expose them to a scoreline of 40-3 in 5 overs? Better they can come in at 85-3 in 11 overs and get in in a couple of overs and smack it. England are still in frame to be in semis with comparatively lighter teams to face.

  • Ashish_514 on September 24, 2012, 3:11 GMT

    So, what was that about "we are capable to win in subcontinent without KP" and everyone replacing KP doing well??

  • Patchmaster on September 24, 2012, 2:35 GMT

    Broad is now a terrible batsman, an ordinary bowler and captain of a side that is so pathetic against spin, it's a standing joke amongst other teams. Careful what you wish for eh Broady ?

  • subbass on September 24, 2012, 2:29 GMT

    Anyone who seriously fancied us to retain the trophy would have to be an eternal optimist even before this humiliation. But it would be nice to see them fight, I guess Finn and Dernbach avoided the dubious honour of the lowest ever T-20 score, every cloud and all that haha. But it's a bit rich hearing Gavaskar get stuck in or any Indian, as they have never won anything in SA or Australia. If anything we have plenty in common !

  • on September 24, 2012, 2:17 GMT

    Its a bit of a concern for England that the entire batting lineup is very much boundary or nothing, they just play big shots and never try to take singles and rotate the strike. As a result they let the pressure build up from a few and then play a massive heave and get six or out. We got away with it against Afghanistan as when they needed a big over they were able to get it but against better sides its a recipe for disaster.

  • on September 24, 2012, 1:06 GMT

    KP + England = Possible win , KP - England = bunch of rookies .

  • balajik1968 on September 24, 2012, 0:57 GMT

    One has to appreciate Broad defending his team, but I hope the management gives them a shellacking in private. This was rank poor batting, with the captain also one of the culprits. He is a better bat than that. The other teams with a reasonable spin attack must be licking their lips. Gooch and Flower, two fine players of spin are in the dugout and yet we get such a pathetic performance. Either these guys are poor communicators, or the players just refuse to listen. Inexperience is not an excuse. There were no demons in the pitch. It was a normal wicket where the ball gripped a little, not a vicious turner, where the ball hissed and spat.

  • TrueFactors on September 24, 2012, 0:14 GMT

    Its simple, ENG team can not play quality spin bowling in sub-continent pitches. Ind, Pak and SL has that spin power. So, ENG will always get humiliated. AUS and SA are not so weak against spin bowling. They wont go down like ENG. SA and AUS can win against PAK, SL and IND in sub-continent pitches, unless SL IND and PAK can bring best out of their all departments. Spin strategy will work against only ENG and some smart bowling will take WI and NZ out too. Against SA and AUS, it wont work and they have to work really hard.

  • Munafis810 on September 24, 2012, 0:05 GMT

    KP was reason for 2010 t20 cup won by Poms. Without him they never won anything of note in last 100 years (except Ashes).

  • Nampally on September 23, 2012, 23:46 GMT

    Before the start of this match Broad said we always play for win and this game is no exception whether it counts or Not. Now he is busy giving excuses for the defeat. Gavaskar summed up the England display very fittingly. T-20 requires a batsman to stay at the wicket & score runs at a faster rate not blind swings as the top 4 batsmen did. The other batsmen just did not know how to play spinners. The absence of KP & Bell has left England batting inept against the spin bowling. England's tactics appeared to be pepper the Indian batsmen with short balls from their pace bowlers. It badly misfired.Broad must realise that the Indian batsmen always played fast bowling well in the indian sub continent. Only Swann gave England some respectability. However England ignored that facing spinners requires footwork, technique & patience. It is not learnt overnight. In super 8, if they face a side with good spinners that will be England's Waterloo!. Congrats. India - you totally outplayed England.

  • theswami on September 23, 2012, 23:44 GMT

    Pace is easy to play, The guile of spin not easy to flay. England needs to pay For not giving in their land, spinners a say, The pitches in England remain The domain of pacers refrain And the Spinners bane When this reverses they can play safe In the Indian hinterland where spin makes the game Till then to the English Batsmen, lets say Amen !!!

  • on September 23, 2012, 22:07 GMT

    England failure is not something very dramatic. Harbhajan alone must have played more matches than whole inexperienced English batting line up. The way in which English batters got out suggested that they were in no mood to dig deep and further. We can see flurry of strokes Kieswetter played. The matter was just to dig in and bat.No one can write off England who were at the verge of elimination in 2010 but ultimately emerged as winner of the trophy.

  • Rajavel-cricket on September 23, 2012, 21:23 GMT

    comman broad accept the truth.. England is poor against spin that too when comes into sub continent,, U cant win even single match in super eight stages.. Better luck for next world cup

  • kirankerai on September 23, 2012, 20:48 GMT

    it is only 1 game. england can improve

  • Vaibhav_Maheshwari on September 23, 2012, 20:45 GMT

    When England's best batsmen is sitting out, this was bound to happen!!

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  • Vaibhav_Maheshwari on September 23, 2012, 20:45 GMT

    When England's best batsmen is sitting out, this was bound to happen!!

  • kirankerai on September 23, 2012, 20:48 GMT

    it is only 1 game. england can improve

  • Rajavel-cricket on September 23, 2012, 21:23 GMT

    comman broad accept the truth.. England is poor against spin that too when comes into sub continent,, U cant win even single match in super eight stages.. Better luck for next world cup

  • on September 23, 2012, 22:07 GMT

    England failure is not something very dramatic. Harbhajan alone must have played more matches than whole inexperienced English batting line up. The way in which English batters got out suggested that they were in no mood to dig deep and further. We can see flurry of strokes Kieswetter played. The matter was just to dig in and bat.No one can write off England who were at the verge of elimination in 2010 but ultimately emerged as winner of the trophy.

  • theswami on September 23, 2012, 23:44 GMT

    Pace is easy to play, The guile of spin not easy to flay. England needs to pay For not giving in their land, spinners a say, The pitches in England remain The domain of pacers refrain And the Spinners bane When this reverses they can play safe In the Indian hinterland where spin makes the game Till then to the English Batsmen, lets say Amen !!!

  • Nampally on September 23, 2012, 23:46 GMT

    Before the start of this match Broad said we always play for win and this game is no exception whether it counts or Not. Now he is busy giving excuses for the defeat. Gavaskar summed up the England display very fittingly. T-20 requires a batsman to stay at the wicket & score runs at a faster rate not blind swings as the top 4 batsmen did. The other batsmen just did not know how to play spinners. The absence of KP & Bell has left England batting inept against the spin bowling. England's tactics appeared to be pepper the Indian batsmen with short balls from their pace bowlers. It badly misfired.Broad must realise that the Indian batsmen always played fast bowling well in the indian sub continent. Only Swann gave England some respectability. However England ignored that facing spinners requires footwork, technique & patience. It is not learnt overnight. In super 8, if they face a side with good spinners that will be England's Waterloo!. Congrats. India - you totally outplayed England.

  • Munafis810 on September 24, 2012, 0:05 GMT

    KP was reason for 2010 t20 cup won by Poms. Without him they never won anything of note in last 100 years (except Ashes).

  • TrueFactors on September 24, 2012, 0:14 GMT

    Its simple, ENG team can not play quality spin bowling in sub-continent pitches. Ind, Pak and SL has that spin power. So, ENG will always get humiliated. AUS and SA are not so weak against spin bowling. They wont go down like ENG. SA and AUS can win against PAK, SL and IND in sub-continent pitches, unless SL IND and PAK can bring best out of their all departments. Spin strategy will work against only ENG and some smart bowling will take WI and NZ out too. Against SA and AUS, it wont work and they have to work really hard.

  • balajik1968 on September 24, 2012, 0:57 GMT

    One has to appreciate Broad defending his team, but I hope the management gives them a shellacking in private. This was rank poor batting, with the captain also one of the culprits. He is a better bat than that. The other teams with a reasonable spin attack must be licking their lips. Gooch and Flower, two fine players of spin are in the dugout and yet we get such a pathetic performance. Either these guys are poor communicators, or the players just refuse to listen. Inexperience is not an excuse. There were no demons in the pitch. It was a normal wicket where the ball gripped a little, not a vicious turner, where the ball hissed and spat.

  • on September 24, 2012, 1:06 GMT

    KP + England = Possible win , KP - England = bunch of rookies .