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England v Netherlands, Group B, World Cup 2011, Nagpur

England survive ten Doeschate brilliance

The Report by Andrew Miller

February 22, 2011

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England 296 for 4 (Strauss 88, Trott 62) beat Netherlands 292 for 6 (ten Doeschate 119*, Cooper 47) by six wickets

Ryan ten Doeschate reached a brilliant hundred with five overthrows, England v Netherlands, Group B, World Cup, Nagpur, February 22, 2011
Ryan ten Doeschate produced a breathtaking century to lift Netherlands to a massive total © Getty Images

Ryan ten Doeschate produced a scintillating 119 from 110 balls, and followed up with the brilliant bowling figures of 2 for 47 in ten overs, to give England one of the biggest frights of their international lives. However, his very best efforts were not quite enough to propel the Netherlands to an incredible victory in their World Cup opener at Nagpur.

Faced with a massive target of 293, and humiliation on an even greater scale than they suffered at Lord's two years ago, England responded with a determined batting performance under the floodlights, and thanks to composed half-centuries from Andrew Strauss and Jonathan Trott, they eventually reached safety with six wickets and eight balls to spare. However, the final margin of victory did no justice to the journey they were forced to undertake. Had England stumbled, it would surely have gone down as the greatest upset in World Cup history.

The final overs were fraught with possibility, as England battled with a run-rate that barely dipped below seven an over, against a pumped-up team of performers who could mainline their adrenalin straight from that opening fixture of the World Twenty20. With 69 needed from the final ten overs, Trott was exquisitely stumped off a leg-side wide by Wesley Barresi, who had earlier launched the Dutch innings with a sparky cameo of 29 from 25 balls, and when the in-form Ian Bell was bowled middle stump by the final ball of ten Doeschate's spell, Nagpur really was living up to its reputation as the City of Orange.

That dismissal left England's fate in the hands of Paul Collingwood, who has barely been able to buy an international run all winter, and Ravi Bopara, whose inclusion at the expense of the second spinner Michael Yardy contributed to their problems in the field, but for which he ultimately atoned with a vital 30 not out from 20 balls, including a soothing six over long-off from the first ball off the 49th over - the first of England's innings.

It was Collingwood who proved the key, however. He was England's captain when they lost in 2009, and ten years earlier he had also been on the receiving end of a NatWest Trophy beating while playing for Durham in Amstelveen. The threat of a triple dose of humiliation compelled him to rediscover his fighting spirit, and he restored faith in both himself and his team with an unbeaten 30 from 23.

It was all extraordinarily fraught. Whereas previous shocks have revolved around batting collapses in helpful conditions - think Ireland in Jamaica four years ago, or West Indies against Kenya in 1996 - this performance was all about the weight of runs that the derided Dutchmen were able to pile onto England's shoulders. With Associate cricket in the spotlight like never before, following the decision to reduce the 2015 World Cup to 10 teams, and in light of the recent capitulations by Canada and Kenya in Group A, this was a performance that showed the sport's second tier in the best and most timely light imaginable.

ten Doeschate's prowess in limited-overs cricket is hardly a secret - he averaged 54 in the CB40 last season, and weighed in with nine wickets, as Essex advanced to the semi-finals - but England had no answers to his watertight technique and a shot selection that started out composed before exploding in the closing overs with 52 runs coming from his last 26 deliveries. He came to the crease in the 12th over and though he took 12 balls to get off the mark, the value in gauging the pace of the wicket paid off handsomely.

All told, ten Doeschate struck nine fours and three sixes in a 110-ball stay, the first of which came off a gentle full-toss from Kevin Pietersen, whose two overs were dispatched for 19 and highlighted England's folly in omitting Yardy - Bopara's medium-pace was not called upon. Swann, on his return to the team following the birth of his son Wilfred, was the pick of England's bowlers with 2 for 35 in ten tidy overs, while Stuart Broad was menacing if a touch expensive in his first full international since the Adelaide Test in December. But ten Doeschate treated the rest of England's attack with disdain, as he powered through to his fourth and highest century in 28 appearances for the Netherlands.

After calling for the Powerplay in the 43rd over, ten Doeschate lost his fifth-wicket partner Tom de Grooth, the hero of Lord's 2009, who was bowled by a Broad yorker for 28. But undeterred, he picked off consecutive boundaries from Tim Bresnan to move through the nineties, before reaching his first World Cup hundred from 98 balls and in remarkable fashion, as a sharp single to short fine leg turned into five overthrows when Trott's shy ricocheted off the stumps and away to the ropes.

On a night that belonged to the Dutchmen in spite of the final result, the nadir of England's performance was reached in the final six overs of their bowling effort. Only last summer, England's attack was touted as their likeliest route to World Cup glory, given how intricately each member of the attack knew their roles, and how quickly they were able to react to changing circumstances. However, the closing overs were a total shambles that would have disgraced a club side, given the breadth and variety of the errors that were committed.

A foretaste of the chaos came in Swann's seventh over, when ten Doeschate, on 47, launched a drive into no-man's land behind the bowler's arm, where James Anderson and Kevin Pietersen converged from mid-off and mid-on respectively, but stopped dead as the ball plugged harmlessly between them.

Anderson's day then went from bad to worse when he returned to the attack in the 46th over. His attempt at blockhole bowling resulted in two awful waist-high full-tosses, the second of which swung away down the leg side for four. Both were called as no-balls, and Anderson was very fortunate not to be withdrawn from the attack by the umpires. Or not as it happens, because the Dutch captain Peter Borren was delighted he remained. He belted three consecutive boundaries in a listless ninth over, to finish unbeaten on 35 from 24 balls.

England's embarrassment didn't end there. Though Broad showed some fight to end ten Doeschate's stay via a catch in the deep in the 49th over, he was denied the wicket of Borren in the same over when Collingwood at midwicket failed to take his required position inside the fielding circle. A no-ball was signalled, Borren was recalled, and there was still time for one more howler, as Swann shelled a sitter at third man to reprieve Mudassar Bukhari.

Netherlands' final total of 292 for 6 was their highest against a full-member nation, and the second highest by any Associate, beating the 230 they scored against England on this very day 15 years ago, at the 1996 World Cup. The hero that day was the 18-year-old Bas Zuiderent, who was the only Dutchman to miss out this time around, as he made 1 from 10 balls before becoming Swann's second victim. It was scant consolation for England on a day that they could not allow to get any worse.

The new opening pairing of Strauss and Pietersen went some way towards atoning for England's earlier errors with a 105-run stand in 17.4 overs. They started with clear intent as Strauss snaffled three fours in the first over, from Mudassar Bukhari - two clips off the toes and a fortuitous under-edged cut past off stump, en route to 88 from 83 balls, while Pietersen's first shot was a sweetly timed drive to a Berend Westdijk outswinger.

On a slow deck, Pietersen's instinct was to advance onto the front foot at every opportunity, and his timing seemed in fine fettle even though he kept picking out the fielders in a well-drilled Netherlands outfit. Strauss meanwhile hung back in his crease and took advantage of the Dutch inexperience to nudge and pull eight of his first nine boundaries behind square on the leg-side.

However, as the hardness went out of the new ball and Barresi came up to the stumps to restrict Pietersen's footwork, his returns tailed off appreciably. Having scored 29 from his first 31 balls, he made just 10 from his next 30, before Pieter Seelaar added his name to the list of left-arm spinners to have captured one of the more notable scalps in world cricket. A tempting delivery was tossed up outside off stump, and Pietersen failed to get his feet to the pitch as he poked an uppish drive to short cover.

In the end humiliation was avoided, and given the lop-sided format of the World Cup, England have already made a significant stride towards the quarter-finals. But with the in-form Indians looming in Bangalore on Sunday, there is no room for another performance this poor. The world is watching and the likes of Virender Sehwag won't be losing sleep.

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Posted by Dummy4 on (February 24, 2011, 8:02 GMT)

Best Wishes for the Indian Team for the World Cup 2011.

My point against England Match is, Nehra should play in the place of Sreesanth and the memory of 2003 in South Africa against England always will play a huge part in the match. Hope for the best from the India Team.

Posted by John on (February 23, 2011, 20:06 GMT)

As an England supporter, I suppose I have to try and find some positives in this game. Well, England won, so that's something. Swann bowled well, and all the batsmen played pretty well. No-one got less than 30, and they paced the chase well, keeping wickets in hand and keeping up with the run rate. However, the bowling of everyone apart from Swann and the fielding of everyone including Swann and the captaincy of Strauss were all terrible. The only good thing is that they got this stinker out of the way in a game against one of the lesser sides. They won't get by the good sides playing like this. I'm sure Andy Flower will be pointing this out rather forcefully.

Posted by Sami on (February 23, 2011, 19:47 GMT)

Ian Chappel says England is one of the five favourite teams to win this WC. Hahaha. I guess Ian is having hallucinations nowadays because a person in his right mind won't tip England to win and particularly with their performance against the Dutch.

Posted by Admal on (February 23, 2011, 18:48 GMT)

Well played dutch team. I had doeschate on my fantasy team and somehow he was the captain. Went up from 7th place to 2nd place just like that.

Posted by Sharon on (February 23, 2011, 13:54 GMT)

@Buppi33 - 4 facts are stated by Sir freddie flintoff. Do you dispute them??? Only a comedy guy would dispute true facts. Let us see who is daydreaming on Sunday!

Posted by vinod on (February 23, 2011, 13:38 GMT)

Any team can have a bad day in the field. It could happen to India also. I hope honestly that the same doesn't happen on 27th Feb so that many of the "English Haters" who have commented here could continue with their smile. Just don't forget the 2003 world cup final where Ponting and Martyn went mercilessly against the Indian attack. Such off days are bound to happen to any team. 1983 world cup final was an off day for the mighty Windies. Basically the form on the given day is what counts. I still cannot write off England

Posted by david on (February 23, 2011, 13:25 GMT)

i wonder why the vast majority of posters seem to want to have a pop at england. they bowled and fielded poorly yesterday, but won by 6 wickets chasing down close to 300 runs. tv pundits said this was one of the best batting pitches in india. do i think england will win the world cup, no i do not. but guys its early days some of the posters on here should wait till later in the competition , and i hope they will share their comments with us on their own teams problems. dpk

Posted by Rajesh on (February 23, 2011, 11:38 GMT)

@ A_Vacant_Slip and @ Sir_Freddie_Flintoff , u guys are real comedy guys in the world..! like lorrel and hardy..! Day dream not gonna help u dudes..! one makes real fun and another one observes and acknowledges..! lol

Posted by Lakmal on (February 23, 2011, 10:30 GMT)

o..brilliant innings by TenDoeschate!. U deserve the IPL contract given to u.poor England! Where are the pundits who told that england can win the WC this time.Poor pundits!

Posted by RAGHURAM on (February 23, 2011, 10:24 GMT)

@ Suresh Pai.... I am also confused... He played the last World T20 in 2009 for Netherlands. In between he played one day international for Australia in 2009.....What does the ICC rule book says ???? I am told that he he has dual nationality and has the choice to represent either country, since Netherlands is not a full member. Pointing is right when he says that Associate members should not be allowed to play in the World Cup. That would help his country in porching into good talent from these countries. Why would Nannes would like to play for Netherland when he is sure that that country would not get sufficient opportunity at the highest level....

Posted by Sharon on (February 23, 2011, 9:52 GMT)

@Sir_Freddie_Flintoff is CORRECT in most of his observations; 1) "England were at their worst today" CORRECT. 2) "and they still managed to win the game by chasing a huge total of 292" CORRECT. 3) "That just goes on to show you they are the best team in the world in all three formats of the game" 2 out of 3 ain't bad. 4) "We are the Ashes winners having destroyed Australia" CORRECT. 5) "we are the Twenty20 world champions having destroyed Australia in the final" CORRECT. 6), "and we will win this World Cup too". Who's to say they won't?? @Sir_Freddie_Flintoff is honest, and 4 of his observations are factually correct, even though the Aussies posters here might not like 2 of them (LOL). BRAVO SIR FREDDIE!!!

Posted by Rajesh on (February 23, 2011, 8:14 GMT)

Hahahah....Englland @ last 4 , only happens in dreams..not really, let them answer to India's Batsmen first this sunday, then think of last 4 ..! its a poor englnad team..!

Posted by ashok on (February 23, 2011, 7:37 GMT)

English Pacemen have become ordinary like Indian Pace men, they are lacking the aggression... Ofcourse its a subcontinent wicket, put if tried can be used for some reverse swing...

Posted by Richard on (February 23, 2011, 7:35 GMT)

Someone should give 'Sir_Freddie_Flintoff' a comedy show. The guy is hilarious.

Posted by nalin on (February 23, 2011, 7:34 GMT)

England must be satisfied that they could chase 292 in a good pitch against the associates and escaped with a win. Their bowling were patchy and fielding was comical and some improvement is needed to lift it to the village green standard.This match raises the question whether England can contain the opposition without 2 spinners and a radical improvement in fielding.

Posted by nuka on (February 23, 2011, 7:04 GMT)

Ryan TEN D played one of the best WC knocks.. The Dutch loss was mainly due to thier field placing...the captain did a good job while batting but not in field placing...he gave too many singles and doubles to player like trott..who prefers the pacing of innnings... no closin fielders..he brouhgt the field up when ENG needed 5 runs...he has to learn a lot if they have to win matches...though they have improved a lot in batting and bowling...the coach should be held responsible equally.... BTW well played DUTCH..and ENG ..raise ur game or get ready for outster..

Posted by RAGHURAM on (February 23, 2011, 7:03 GMT)

A few of the Associate members (Netherlands) have the talent to go forward in world cricket. But for that they require the encouragement from the full members and most critically from the ICC. Agreed, playing six qualifiers in World Cup would make the tournament boaring with few results one sided. But you can surely have a 10 member World Cup, with bottom two from previous edition being relegated to bottom tier and top two from the bottom tier qualifying for the World Cup. This would also keep the full members (like Zimbabwe, West Indies, New Zealand) on their toes.... I hope someone is listerning from ICC.....

Posted by Dummy4 on (February 23, 2011, 6:55 GMT)

Couldn't Dirk Nannes have played for NED & added teeth to their bowling for this World Cup?

Posted by Dummy4 on (February 23, 2011, 6:36 GMT)

The Dutch deserved to be the winners with the way their boys had shown all round performance. Their captain, Peter Borren, was simply brilliant in navigating his inexperinced team and what a brilliant knock and by Ryan. No doubt why the SRK group of KKR took him up for grab. Indians, beware of the Dutches. Don't take them lightly.

Damodhar (Sharjah)

Posted by Marcio on (February 23, 2011, 6:19 GMT)

I watched much of the NL innings and it sure was entertaining. I'm not sure which was most entertaining - some of the great batting - or the fielding, which was the worst I've ever seen from a major international team. When Swann dropped that dolly that even my dead grandmother would take, it was high comedy! So much for certain Poms' knocking Australia's leisurely thrashing of Zimbabwe. Unfortunately this doesn't mean that England are a write off, as these are simply warm ups. England has a decent team on paper, but will have to suddenly learn how to play 50-over cricket.

Posted by BALASUBRAMANIAN on (February 23, 2011, 6:09 GMT)

It was an exemplary performance by the Dutch team both with the bat & later with the ball that left England almost throttling before calm & cool prevailed in the England camp in the form of Collingwood & Ravi Bopara(of Indian origin) to seal victory that England definitely were not worthy of. The performance of the Dutch team brings out two things. One, it showed how & why England lost 1-6 to Australia in the ODI series in Australia; second & the more important thing was a signal by the Dutch team to ICC not to take the Associate member teams lightly & to reconsider the decision to prune the participating teams for 2015 WC to just 10. England will have to work harder both mentally & physically to be in contention for the knock out stage.

Posted by dayantha on (February 23, 2011, 5:52 GMT)

Sri lanka has beaten Netherlands (worm up match) and Canada comprehensively. but England was straggling against both. I think England has to do lot of works before their matches against top teams like India, Sri lanka, Australia, SA. balling is more concern for me. spin balling is a another criteria they have to work out.

Posted by Lindsay on (February 23, 2011, 5:52 GMT)

Congratulations ten Doeschate!!

He came over to NZ to play for the Canterbury Wizards in our Provinical Twenty/20 comp, and he showed real potential and talent during the season; he impressed me. But to score a ton against a well respected and strong national team is just fantastic, showing the potential he really has.

And it is such a shame that The Netherlands did not win, because England's playing was awful to be honest and Holland really stepped up and very nearly caused a huge upset.

So close yet so far, congratulations Netherlands for showing real courage and what the minnows are made of.

Posted by Dummy4 on (February 23, 2011, 5:40 GMT)

I think the move for sending peterson up worked for England here. Though he played quite slow than expected but ensured that Eng gets a good start. I have always believed most of the top team can make a huge difference just by a slight change in their batting order. Similarly when Yuvraj was not doing well he could have either send up or down the order depending upon the situation. as his ability to strike against fast bowlers is one of the rares in Indian team not a kind to be left out.

Posted by Mubarik on (February 23, 2011, 5:33 GMT)

Great performance by Netherlands, they put England in pressure. Good luck boys for next matches <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Posted by Shane on (February 23, 2011, 5:27 GMT)

so if the dutch can make ~300 against this weak team called England, I'm guessing India will surely pass 350 and touch 400 in the next game Time to add the indian top order to my fantasy team :)

Posted by Pushpakumara on (February 23, 2011, 5:21 GMT)

England are still one of real impressive team in this world cup.They are most likely to make semifinal.Nagpur ground was a good batting pitch.But england's poor fielding and bad bowling lines helped dutch to make 293.But I think England can overcome these mistakes.Tim bresnan is always trying to attack the leg stump.It allows batsmen to settle in the wicket.But he can bowl realy very well.Ryan is an experienced player,but missing 2 cathes allowed him to make a long inning.Jimmy and broad will be back to their best form soon.Because this is the first match. Anyway if they can overcome their poor fielding ,England are still favourite to win this Wordcup.

Posted by vinod on (February 23, 2011, 4:33 GMT)

Surely I am one amongst those who put one of the favourites tag on England. I still say that the warm up match against Canada and the opener against Netherlands are not going to jeopardize England's chances. England will surely be one of the top 4. Last night it was England's fielding which looked so pathetic, that they were worse than a club team. England will surely have to work on that aspect. England have two quality bowlers in Swann and Anderson, but unfortunately both of them faired far below their potential. Again England have the duo of Bresnan and Broad. So they have a reasonable bowling attack. Batting is also not so worrysome. Pietersen and Collingwood need to fair better. I still favour England in the top four alongside India, Aussies & South Africa/Sri Lanka

Posted by John on (February 23, 2011, 3:21 GMT)

Can anyone believe that as the poms lost match after match in the 6-1 thrashing in Aus, they were actually saying that Anderson not playing was a bad thing? Apparently that's why they lost 6-1. Who knows, if Anderson had played all the games, they might have lost 7-0. He really doesn't know how to bowl at the death, if England are sensible, they will omit him for a tidier ODI bowler if they reach the business end of the tournament. Anyway, I do not believe I have seen a worse performance for a 6 wicket victory. England can consider themselves very lucky. The only real positive for them is Strauss' good form, but he's been in good form for ages.

Posted by Dummy4 on (February 23, 2011, 3:12 GMT)

Well done, Ryan ten for your brilliant ton against the English. Phew! almost made the English so sweaty. This was indeed great escape for England. Netherlands managed to post huge total but not able to defend it because of poor bowling and fielding strategy. Otherwise, England would have faced humiliating defeat at the hands of Netherlands. Thanks to good start by openers Strauss and Pietersen. However, full marks goes to Netherlands for their good fighting spirit and moreover, brilliant batting display.

I think Indian team should not underestimate the minnows. They are more dangerous than professional teams like Australia, South Africa and Srilanka. As we all witnessed the match between Bangladesh and India, where Bangladesh chased so well, even though they had crumbled to the total of 283 in reply of India's mammoth total of 370. Chances always favors the prepared mind.

Posted by Dummy4 on (February 23, 2011, 3:06 GMT)

Netherland did very good batting...but they didnt do well in the bowling....

Posted by Simon on (February 23, 2011, 2:39 GMT)

the Dutch have shown again that they (like Ireland) are worthy of inclusion in this competition. it's an outrage that they will be excluded next time.

Posted by Dummy4 on (February 23, 2011, 2:28 GMT)

The biggest upset got averted. Absolutely pathetic performance from the Poms. They almost got knocked by the canadians in the warm-up game and today by the so called associate teams. Fantastic performances from Ryan ten Doeschate, he almost took the game away from England. Hope this comes as a wakeup call to the poms with the bigger challenge coming ahead on sunday.

Posted by Matt on (February 23, 2011, 2:24 GMT)

My family and I watched the Netherlands innings last night and I have never laughed so hard at a fielding team. It was just fantastic to watch England all over the place. Great comedy all round and fantastic entertainment.

Posted by suleman on (February 23, 2011, 2:13 GMT)

Good job to nederland (netherlands) they are showing that the minnows still can play hopefully the stupid icc will see that they can't get rid off them they should get a chance to play. Look at ten doeschate he is a wonderful player

Posted by Dummy4 on (February 23, 2011, 1:48 GMT)

This match proves that Cricket Pundits are erroneously considering England as favorites for WC based on them being T20 champions and arguably the best test side in the world.......................But the fact is that Test Cricket and T20 has nothing to do with ODIs................ Playing test cricket & T20 is easy because there is no pressure of run rate in TEASTS whereas in T20 there is no pressure of preserving wicket………………………… The toughest form of cricket is ODI because there is pressure of run rate as well as keeping wickets in hand. In ODI's demand you to have safe attacking technique and have a wide repertoire of shots ..... I am a PAKISTANI & let me tell thall only India has proved that they have realistic chance of winning this WC because they have won all their matches comfortably including practice matches and all their batsmen possess safe attacking technique..

Posted by Bhaskar on (February 23, 2011, 1:48 GMT)

And Pakistan was shot out for 74 in the 92 WC (with Eng 20 odd for 1 in reply) but the game was still abandoned and Pak went on to win the cup (not to mention that point from the match ultimately took them over the league stage). NZ actually won a higher total aggregate number of matches than any other team in that cup. Moral? Early successes/ setbacks either apparent or otherwise have zilch influence on the final outcome. Hol should be definitely proud of their performance today. They add a new dimension to the tag of minnows. That being said, Eng won and got the points, and what will or will not happen to them in the cup is impossible to predict. so why waste valuable fingertip strength typing out all these meaningless projections?

Posted by Hollis on (February 23, 2011, 1:35 GMT)

Well done Netherland ! You did not win the match but you are a winner all the way.Wish Ponting wll shut up and take stock of your perfomance .

Posted by David on (February 23, 2011, 1:29 GMT)

The annoying thing about them dropping the minnows is that there is still ment to be the same amount of matches played amongst the remaining team. The tournament isn't being stream lined their just trying to make more revenue by having the major teams play more pointless matches against the same teams we watch them play boring pointless 5 game series against through the year.

Posted by kris on (February 23, 2011, 1:27 GMT)

Look what happend in 2007 worldcup. Both India and pakistan had the capacity to make the semis or even win WC if it were like 1992 WC format. It was a total disaster for both India and pakistan in 2007 WC and it happened from associates manily for pakistan (from ireland). These associates countries where cricket is not very popular can create problem to countries where cricket is very popular and in an event which is played once in 4 years.

Posted by Richard on (February 23, 2011, 1:13 GMT)

Take that ICC.... Brilliant game from the Dutch...batting was technical, fielding fantastic, I think the biggest weak link these associates has is the lack of quality fast bowlers, the spinners they have are quite good but the quick's are not even military medium pace. I think countries like Ireland and Netherlands should follow the steps of England (Definitely, not the way they play cricket. He he he he he that would be a DISASTER ) in getting overseas players in to their local set up. That way like the Poms are Pumping all the South Africans to their team,may be these guys can get some young 18-19 year old out and out quality fast bowlers from PAKISTAN ( the only place in the world that fast bowlers are born in dozens ) and maybe a couple power hitters from India and get them to play in their country for 4 years and give them the citizenship and then i am sure these guys will be world beaters. I think the Dutch, Irish and the Afgans are going to do big things in world cricket.

Posted by Ashok on (February 23, 2011, 1:11 GMT)

If only Netherland had one more bowler of the economy rate posted by Seelar or Doechate, they would have beaten England by at least 50 runs. Nehterland seamers leaked away runs badly which caused their slump. Nevertheless it was a fantastic performance from a minnows team which almost shamed England & ICC. Right now there are 9 major teams including B/Desh. Netherland, Ireland are also playing high level cricket. Unfortunately Kenya & Zimbabwe failed. So to choose the 10th team either Netherland or Ireland will have to back off. England were lucky to win this game but will have to face India in the next game. Indians definitely have better spinners than Netherland. Bangalore pitch may also take spin. So it will be a different type of bowling to face. Hopefully India will avoid using 3 seamers as they did in the B/Desh game and make room for Chawla in place of Sree.If India can hold England to 250, they should be able to win the game. That will be the crucial game for both the teams.

Posted by John on (February 23, 2011, 1:00 GMT)

I agree with pie cricket, surely just make the World Cup have 16 teams, 4 groups of 4 teams, and the top 2 qualify for the quarter-finals. Better chance of shocks, but the best teams should prevail and then the whole thing will be done in a month or less. I love the idea of qualification, but will never happen as 50-over cricket will never be more important than test cricket. It seems to be losing the battle with t20 at the moment. And why not just have fielding restrictions for the whole match. I at least think there should be 5 fielders inside the ring at all times. The 'middle overs' are where this format is losing its head!! And fair play to Holland, they have made the best case yet for the 'smaller' nations to continue to progress on the bigger stage.

Posted by Dummy4 on (February 23, 2011, 0:52 GMT)

England put on quite a show on the field, loads of unexpected feints (I suppose you could call them that). That aside I think they should have had the "Super Eight" round in this world cup also. The review thing is alright, and here..... no "Papare" (a musical instrument band..) allowed in grounds!! that really kills the mood of the game...

Posted by Amit on (February 23, 2011, 0:24 GMT)

Where is Darren Gough?What wud b his reaction now that all so called minnows can defeat England on any given day.

Posted by M on (February 22, 2011, 23:55 GMT)

For a start, the ICC has said, no going back on the decision for 2015... but this doesn't clear the issue but clouds it more... we all accept that Netherlands, Ireland and perhaps Afghanistan; whom is widely considered the fastest developing associate nation, can mix it with the big boys... ... but at the same time, Scotland, Canada, USA, UAE, Kenya etc can't. ... ... the ICC has opted for the simplified solution or one out all out from an associated nations view as to try and do anything else means that they would have to manage another qualifier competition and let's face it, managing anything hasn't been their strong suit of late. ... ... The option with the most merit would seem to be a qualifying tournament amongst the associates, gives them something to compete for, with top 2 sides going on to play in the WC. In the meantime, I agree that Kenya only learnt that they aren't quite at this level yet... not to say that will always be the case. Good luck to the Associates.

Posted by Dummy4 on (February 22, 2011, 23:51 GMT)

Performances like this show why reducing the World Cup to 10 teams is pointless. Even if we see some floggings 10 teams is hardly a 'world' cup. There needs to be more games played each day and a general speed-up of the group stages, but removing the chance for teams like the Netherlands to represent themselves to the world in a fashion like last night is no way to move forward.

Would far prefer to see Afghanistan and Scotland IN the next cup rather than 4 teams like the Netherlands and Canada OUT.

Posted by David on (February 22, 2011, 23:30 GMT)

they should erase minnows like england from the tournament. what a pathetic performance.

Posted by Simon on (February 22, 2011, 23:19 GMT)

Fair play to the Dutch, they nearly caught England out! This is the sort of competitiveness the associates have added to their game over the last ten years. To turn their back on them now would be an act of cowardice and put the pace of world cricket back to the nineties. I am qutie sure it is only a matter of time before an associate wins the world cup!

Posted by Luke on (February 22, 2011, 23:17 GMT)

Has Ponting (and others) apologised for their arrogant 'don't think it helps the lesser teams to get spanked' call? This is why non-test playing teams should always play in world cups. If the ICC wants to reduce the cup to make it the same as the champions trophy then just pick one of those tournaments to play and get rid of the other. Well done Holland. I watched your whole innings and it was superb. As an Aussie I always enjoy seeing Eng struggle but even though it's one game I don't think Eng will advance too far in this tournament. Bell should open rather than KP. KP gave so many dot balls purely because he was pre-determining coming down the wicket and just hitting straight to fielders. If he'd stayed in his crease he could have glanced off or leg and picked up at least 1 perhaps 4. That's not smart batting. Keep fighting Holland, Bangladesh and others. You're the teams that separate this tournament from same old same old.

Posted by Michael on (February 22, 2011, 23:05 GMT)

Why is the phrase "in form Ian Bell" still used? He hasn't done anything of note in the one dayers for a while now, I would say he is distinctly not in form.

Posted by Rakesh on (February 22, 2011, 22:57 GMT)

It is teams like Ireland, Netherland, Afghanistan( although not here),Kenya which gives color and breath of fresh air to the cup and it is worth calling as WORLD cup. The opinions of all show that more than 80% of the fans wants these teams to be in WC. So who takes decision and on what basis. If ICC comittee dominated by Indian BCCI cannot understand this than it shows how much ICC is just controlled by short term monetary gains.

Posted by Nathan on (February 22, 2011, 22:53 GMT)

lol @JB77, well said. Even bigger lol @sir_freddie. Poms aren't going too bad in the ODI format though, I mean they did smash the all-conquering Canadian team by 16 runs in a warm up. This will certainly add fuel to the 'how many lower ranked teams should there be in the WC' debate.

Posted by Martin on (February 22, 2011, 22:53 GMT)

@Meety - you're in Adelaide aren't you? Why don't you go up to Barossa and ask a passing German what Schadenfreude means; I think the discipline of research would be good for you.

Posted by Dummy4 on (February 22, 2011, 22:51 GMT)

dont underestimate those teams they should be included in the next world cup look what almost happened to ENGLAND

Posted by Andrew on (February 22, 2011, 22:30 GMT)

@ kriskini - mate I think you have it around the wrong way CHAMPIONS Trophy - means the best of the best, WORLD Cup is the world inclusive! See? As far as "meaningless" games - there is the real chance that the Netherlands have stuffed Englands future net R/Rate which could decide where they finish in the Group stage - hence WHO they play come QTR Finals. I think that is meaningful. Re: England - I think the KP experiment is underwhelming so far (could fire soon I suppose), but I'm thinking they should open the batting with Yardy. He clearly has the ability to find the boundary during Power Plays - if they lose his wicket, its no great loss , (in comes Trott), I think the Risk/Reward with him at the top of the innings is good. Then you have the ability to use him for three 2 over spells. (anything more & he'll get carted).

Posted by Andrew on (February 22, 2011, 22:22 GMT)

Laughing @ Andersons figures against the Dutch - 10-0-72-0. As good/great as he is/was in tests, he is not that good in ODIs. Shahzad & Tremlett are better in terms of ODIs.

Posted by Andrew on (February 22, 2011, 22:19 GMT)

@mukul_skywalker - love your nick name! I think Ireland, Netherlands AND Scotland have a BIG advantage over Bangladesh in that they are regularly exposed to tough opposition in the County scene. The Bangas I think do play some occasional 2nd XI cricket against Indian & Sri Lankan sides - but their domestic cricket is fairly isolated from other nations.That being said the Bangas domestic scene is improving & so too is their depth. Unlike the teams you've mentioned the Bangas are completely home grown & will improve steadily over the years.

Posted by Dummy4 on (February 22, 2011, 22:19 GMT)

The World Cup needs a complete restructure. Forget 10 teams, there should only be 8 teams. But it should also take a leaf out of the football world cup and play a multi-year qualifying schedule leading up to the 8-team finals. Have two pools with the top four teams from each pool qualifying. Include the associate nations in the pools and play a structured home-and-away qualifying. The associate nations get more exposure to quality teams without being set up to be thrashed on the biggest stage, and if they are good enough they will qualify at the expense of one of the test nations. As an added bonus this would get rid of all the meaningless 7 game bilateral series that are being played at the moment and boring most fans to death.

Posted by Aiden on (February 22, 2011, 22:18 GMT)

They should put the number of teams in the world cup for 16.

Posted by Andrew on (February 22, 2011, 22:13 GMT)

@Sir_Freddie_Flintoff - curious logic there old chap!

Posted by Vishal on (February 22, 2011, 22:05 GMT)

"...it would surely have gone down as the greatest upset in World Cup history". You mean greater than when Bangladesh beat Pakistan in the 1999 World cup, greater than when Kenya defeated Sri Lanka in 2003 and when Bangladesh defeated India and Ireland defeated Pakistan in 2007. I wouldn't be so sure. IMHO good sir, you overestimate England's ODI abilities. They have been as relevant in the Cricket World Cup as Tim Henman was in any of the Grand Slams.

Posted by Paul on (February 22, 2011, 21:54 GMT)

Good start for us! Congrats England!!! :)

Posted by Vishwanath on (February 22, 2011, 21:48 GMT)

abandon the rest of the associates, if they must, but at least keep netherlands in the ring. i want to see them playing at international level. we should give this guy ten Doeschate a chance to play more games before he retires. he could be something special.

Posted by Duncan on (February 22, 2011, 21:41 GMT)

Brilliant performance from England - those arrogant Dutch thought they could just turn up and win. Maybe people will start taking England seriously now. Watch out Ireland and Bangladesh - we are coming after you next!

Posted by Pulkit Aryan on (February 22, 2011, 21:36 GMT)

You know what I giuve credit to england.. they really dug in like a champ and fought it out....

It is sad that people underrate The Hollanders !!!!! They all play county and they all have great level of cricket.

Now just like tennis where a unseeded player can give a top player nadal for run for the money .... but in the end one who digs out is a stronger chracter and a true champion..

Moral of the story lads... " Winning by a mile or an Inch is STILL WINING"

Well done England and special applaus for Hollanders and Ten Doeshade (definately gets 10 outta 10 from me).

Posted by David on (February 22, 2011, 21:31 GMT)

"By this display, you would think ten Doeschate would look good in the England strip. Given their history with picking South African born players (Trott, Pietersen, Prior, Strauss), ten Doeschate might be the next"

Pretty sure during the last county season Ten Doeschate came out and said he has no interest in playing for England and the only other international side he'd play for is South Africa.

Posted by kris on (February 22, 2011, 21:26 GMT)

I still support ICC with the next version of WC with 10 countries. May be these assoiciates can play in champions trophy but not WC. In 42 matches beofore Quaterfinal in this worldcup nearly 50% are with associcates which is meaningless. This WC started on Feb 19th and the first QF is on 23rd March and the Final is on Apr 2nd. This means the real WC starts after 30 days and will be over in 10 days.

Posted by Dummy4 on (February 22, 2011, 21:17 GMT)

By this display, you would think ten Doeschate would look good in the England strip. Given their history with picking South African born players (Trott, Pietersen, Prior, Strauss), ten Doeschate might be the next, given his form in county cricket, as well as that great hundred last night. Good to see an associate nation be competitive

Posted by Dummy4 on (February 22, 2011, 20:55 GMT)

Fly Dutchmen! Awesome display. Would love to meet you soon! I am from Bangladesh. Best wishes.

Posted by Pratik on (February 22, 2011, 20:55 GMT)

Dare I use the 'f' word: fatigue?

Posted by Nishath on (February 22, 2011, 20:44 GMT)

Well done Netherlands! And well done ten Doechate for a brilliant century!

Posted by Dummy4 on (February 22, 2011, 20:42 GMT)

You guys just missed the biggest point of this game that England played with one quality spinner swan !! So on a flat track with one spinner, think about what Bangladesh will do to England as they did reach 283 against India faced three spinners !! For Netherlands, they will be struggling against India, New Zealand and Bangladesh probably as all of them has experiences to play in subcontinent in recent series!! I still support WC 2015 should organize with only 10 teams.

Posted by Dummy4 on (February 22, 2011, 20:26 GMT)

It's a great fight for NED... I enjoyed their batting ability... ICC shouldn't pull them off from world cup...My hope was that they had couple more good bowler... Eng would face their mate... I am English fan ...but seeing Ned playing like that ...I really enjoyed it...and ICC shld always provide strong support for team like Ned...job well done...!

Posted by Milind on (February 22, 2011, 20:24 GMT)

England survive Dutch courage says it all! I would put this effort ahead of Bangladesh against India. England need to seriously reflect if Ashes are the be all and end of of their campaign...too much and needless emphasis on that series is creating trouble for them. That said ICC must revisit the thesis of having 10 teams for the next version, if it does not the development of the game is in jeopardy...might as well sack the development committee and save the money!

Posted by Cricinfouser on (February 22, 2011, 20:07 GMT)

doeshate became the first dutch bowler to reach 50 wickets in ODI.our team(india)have to be causious of him(doeshate).luck that i have added him in my fantasy team earlier.

Posted by joel on (February 22, 2011, 20:04 GMT)

The Netherlands played very well , they raised there game to set a competative score . But England chased that score down easily and the win was comftable . This match can only benefit England and yes cant wait to play Bangladesh , cos that will be an easier game for England !

Posted by gopal on (February 22, 2011, 20:04 GMT)

And Chappelli has got this team among one of the 5 he thinks has a 'realistic' chance of winning the cup. And they would've been higher if the world cup had been just after the ashes lol

Posted by Dummy4 on (February 22, 2011, 19:33 GMT)

Just hope that's the one bad game out of the way for England - lucky it didn't happen against the "big" teams - but I'd still rather play terribly and win than play pretty cricket and lose......

Good to hear all the Saffer, Aussie, Pakistani and Brit chat in the field along with the odd Dutch lol!

Posted by Dummy4 on (February 22, 2011, 19:24 GMT)

This should serve as a perfect reminder to all about 2 things, 1. England do not have it in them to be the tournament favorites and 2. Associate will spring upsets sooner or later. The way, Canada managed to keep the Sri Lankan top order under control during the initial Powerplay and the way Zimbabwe were able to restrict the Ozies for under 270, really needs to be complimented. The dutch batted with a lot of aggression, which was lacking in the English approach. Broad and Anderson looked really short of good sleep. Ryan Ten Doeschate, deserves to be applauded for his heroics, and it amply reflected the credentials of this dutch side. It was indeed a fine statement of intent. On the other hand England have lots of questions to be answered, firstly when and where do they see James Tredwell as a bowling option ? and second what on earth are 3 frontline seamers and a seaming all-rounder doing on slow and turning pitches in India ? England cannot expect mercy from Sehwag, Smith,Gayle et al

Posted by Martin on (February 22, 2011, 19:12 GMT)

Looks like all the Unbiased Indian bloggers have found their voices in advance of the game on Sunday.... Can't think why they've waited until now. Thats right guys - you large it. But England will never play as badly as they did today, and as you are well aware we are well capable of delivering your worst fear - an England win. Now wouldn't that be embarrassing! @Sir_Freddie_Flintoff; I love it!!! `

Posted by Aditya on (February 22, 2011, 19:03 GMT)

gr8 to see the way netherlands played today..it proved that there is no need to decrease the no. of teams in the wc..instead these teams should take part in the domestic competitions of other test playing nations to give more exposure to their players..although teams like ireland,netherlands,scotland have already played in the english county but icc should try and send atleast 1 associate team to participate in the domestic competition of every other test playing nations like india,australia,nz,s.af...etc as well so that their players can gain more experience in playing in different conditions and on different types of wickets..i think it'll really raise the level of associate nations.......

Posted by Ryan on (February 22, 2011, 18:49 GMT)

Ryan ten Doeschate truly is a class player. I have watched him play here in New Zealand and I watched him play over in Australia for the HRV Cup and the Big Bash respectively. He was the MVP for our competition over here in New Zealand (HRV Cup). He has the highest average of any ODI player.

Posted by krishna on (February 22, 2011, 18:39 GMT)

brillaint write up...!!! well played ten doeschate...!!..and the ICC must support these teams..but they are trying to exclude them from the next world cup..which is bad for cricket..!!!

Posted by Girish on (February 22, 2011, 18:38 GMT)

RTD was superb!! NED deserved to win this than the chaostic ENG team. NED didn't have one good bowler - either to control runs in middle or take wickets or keep tight towards end. Else they did all they can to win this and victory was so close! Keep it up Orange guys! Luved your cricket! Girish, Bangalore :-)

Posted by Rawful on (February 22, 2011, 18:34 GMT)

I find the grouping interesting. Group 'B' is way harder than group 'A' where even the associate teams are quite strong. Bangladesh, Ireland, Netherlands all could beat Kenya, Canada, Zimbabwe or even New Zealand easily.

Posted by Dummy4 on (February 22, 2011, 18:33 GMT)

Dutch played really well. I am little bit worried about BAN vs NETH match. But I can bet BAN will will against Eng

Posted by Grant on (February 22, 2011, 18:33 GMT)

On the plus side, ten doeshade is in my fantasy team. On the minus side-everything else.

Posted by Ashwin on (February 22, 2011, 18:33 GMT)

The Dutch have started displaying their brilliance not only in football, but in cricket as well. Sterling performance especially from Ryan Ten Doeschoate who could be one of the stars in this Group stage.They would have been disappointed at not being able to pull it off ultimately but it was a terrific effort.England in contrast had a horror day in the field and played like schoolboys but showed their experience when it came to batting.Sehwag will be licking his lips at the prospect of facing the English bowlers on Sunday.And yes I hope ICC reconsiders its decision not to have Associates in the next World Cup atleast now.

Posted by Dummy4 on (February 22, 2011, 18:29 GMT)

this proves that minnows should be given an opportunity to prove andestablish themselves. highly disapointed in the way the icc and some other big guns of cricket are acting to cut down the minnows.. these teams can be the future of cricket! and its very important that we get as many as countries to participate if we want to spread the game. Realy do hope ICC goes back on its feet and allow minnows in the next world cup and also encourage them to play more games with the top 6 teams.. btw.. congtratulations to Netherlands evfen though they dint win it was an amazing perfrmance!!

Posted by Sal on (February 22, 2011, 18:28 GMT)

...and someone said to trim down the WC to only 10 teams? Are you serious?

Posted by Dummy4 on (February 22, 2011, 18:25 GMT)

Netherland is the great team they can beat West Indeis Easily and than they will qualify to super Eight Inshallah

Posted by Chris on (February 22, 2011, 18:20 GMT)

Well, after today's performance, England don't have too much to fear from India, that is apart from Sehwag, SRT, Zak, Kohli, Dhoni, Yusuf etc etc !!!! oh yes and their own inadequate fielding and bowling!

Posted by Anjana on (February 22, 2011, 18:12 GMT)

Really good stuff Netherlands!!!!! England has never been strong as to what the media hype suggests, and today was just another example. Well, let's see how England play against Bangladesh, a defeat on the cards I would say!!!!

Posted by Abhimanyu on (February 22, 2011, 18:12 GMT)

Great performance by the Dutch. Great fightback by English. ENGLAND is back as a serious title contender. DUTCH helped ENGLAND revive. You do not revive unless you go through repeated humiliations. ENGLAND has to thank DUTCH for rediscovery of Collingwood and Bopara. I will recommend bringing in Yardy in place of Anderson for next matches. Otherwise, the rest of the team looks ready to rock n'roll.

Posted by R on (February 22, 2011, 18:06 GMT)

England is no star or starlet in this tournament. They can be quite a boring team to watch, so I am looking forward to Bangladesh and Windies crushing them.

Posted by Dummy4 on (February 22, 2011, 17:56 GMT)

Any team can be pressurised into mistakes and England really fell apart at times in the field.Pietersen drops too many catches for a great cricketer and its a glaring weakness since the 2005 Ashes.Today he was involved in 2 missed chances which could cost his team on another occassion.Netherlands could certainly fancy their chances with a bit of luck against the Windies,Black Caps,Bangladesh,Pakistan(on a bad day!) and Zimbabawe amongst the traditional cricket nations.

Posted by Dummy4 on (February 22, 2011, 17:56 GMT)

Any team can be pressurised into mistakes and England really fell apart at times in the field.Pietersen drops too many catches for a great cricketer and its a glaring weakness since the 2005 Ashes.Today he was involved in 2 missed chances which could cost his team on another occassion.Netherlands could certainly fancy their chances with a bit of luck against the Windies,Black Caps,Bangladesh,Pakistan(on a bad day!) and Zimbabawe amongst the traditional cricket nations.

Posted by Iftekharul Hasan on (February 22, 2011, 17:54 GMT)

i am afraid if holland can bat like today against bangladesh, then it will be an acid test for bangladesh to win against them. england's performance proved that bangladesh has a real chance to win against them.

Posted by Harris on (February 22, 2011, 17:54 GMT)

i think that if icc can ban amir asif and butt for bowling no balls. THEY SHOULD BAN COLLINGWOOD FOR DELIBRATE TRYING TO CHEAT. BAN HIM ICC

Posted by Dummy4 on (February 22, 2011, 17:51 GMT)

netherlands so Good perform England not wine world cup

Posted by Dummy4 on (February 22, 2011, 17:46 GMT)

And they don't want smaller teams like Holland in the next world cup.... come on ICC. I am an Indian but above all I am a cricket fan. We, cricket fans, want nations like Holland to prosper....... I understand the economics might not be in favor but sometime you have to think long term, to get cricket to be as popular or even more popular than soccer we have to give at least these teams the chance to compete for next world cup ... your argument giving a chance in 20-20 is not fair at all I am really surprised countries like Sri lanka and Bangladesh have not come in open to support these smaller teams because they know first hand how it is to be treated unfairly. Please ICC reconsider your decision.

Posted by joel on (February 22, 2011, 17:43 GMT)

I think it may be time to try a different partner for broad , sorry jimmy but this shouldnt be happening to you . The last 10 overs were a disgrace ! , and why wasnt the 2 spinner selected . If there was 1 thing that would of stopped the dutch , would of been to take the pace off the ball . Still we won !! . come on ENGLAND

Posted by Mainuddin on (February 22, 2011, 17:42 GMT)

England were at their worst today -- and they still managed to win the game by chasing a huge total of 292. That just goes on to show you they are the best team in the world in all three formats of the game. We are the Ashes winners having destroyed Australia, we are the Twenty20 world champions having destroyed Australia in the final, and we will win this World Cup too. Go England!

Posted by Debraj on (February 22, 2011, 17:30 GMT)

If the poms get hammered by this dutch side ( no disrespect shown to RTD and his dutch team mates), i can only imagine the likes of Anderson, Bresnan n the overrated Swann being thrashed around the park like club bowlers on this sunday by the in form majestic, highclass ( Oh God, i am running out of adjectives) Indian line up... I am just wishing that India bats first.. Also the match will be played in Banglore and its a turning track and knowing the English vulnerabilty to world class spin, ok i am exaggerating here, may be only good spin[ :) ], they cant even cross 260... Must say this Dutch side impressed me a lot n they carry better cricketing spirit than the other so called minnows... Even Bangladesh will easily thrash this English side... Waiting eagerly for Sunday... All Hail Team India.... !!!!!!

Posted by waqas on (February 22, 2011, 17:27 GMT)

ryan have some special talent, good captiance as well, hope they carry on that against westindies.....

Posted by Karan on (February 22, 2011, 17:26 GMT)

Imagine if Nannes hadn't defected to Australia...

Posted by Owen on (February 22, 2011, 17:20 GMT)

@Monkey - why care about the WC? 50 over cricket is just a game - like rugby, or football. Test cricket is the ultimate sporting challenge (and not just in cricket) as you need far more attributes to succeed. If England were to get stuffed in every other game this winter (and they are giving it a good go), then it won't make a difference because we won the only important series. I do agree though that seeing associates play well is good for the game, and it would be a massive injustice if the ICC cut their number down for the next WC. Like you said, there should be more associate teams in not less.

Posted by Martin on (February 22, 2011, 17:19 GMT)

Good Game! Well - England managed to win that. Not quite sure how. They seemed determined to lose right up until the 96th over of the match. Thank God for Collingwood/Bopara! No excuses admissible - this was WORST EVER from England. Incompetent in the field & inexplicably bad bowling from England - Great batting from Holland!!! Broad poor, Anderson terrible. Don't know why KP bowled - he was awful. Swann saved England from facing north of 320. This is Holland guys - not one of the better teams like India or Sri Lanka. To his credit - Strauss had a go with the bat and at the interview didn't try to excuse his team. Good job or I would have set the wombats on him. FULL CREDIT to ten Doeschate and to the Holland team - well played. So much for Pontings comments that Associates shouldn't be playing in the WC! Don't bet against Holland embarrassing someone else in this WC. Positives for England? Not many. Only one I can think of; won the game. No snow jobs here.

Posted by Dummy4 on (February 22, 2011, 17:19 GMT)

for me Netherlands won the WC

Posted by Dummy4 on (February 22, 2011, 17:18 GMT)

hats off to netherland........well played.....

Posted by Mandeep on (February 22, 2011, 17:17 GMT)

This group is an interesting one . Mark my words - Bangladesh , Ireland & Netherland are capable of beating any team on a day , and they will.

Posted by Dummy4 on (February 22, 2011, 17:10 GMT)

This shows a good day in the Dutch camp can spell trouble for any team. I was rooting for the ORANGE but at the back of my head, I was thinking BD better be watching this game and not let anything make them complacent. May it be Netherlands or SA....

Posted by Umer on (February 22, 2011, 17:08 GMT)

A commendable performance from Netherlands. These teams could contribute well to the international cricket if they regularly play big teams.

Posted by robinder on (February 22, 2011, 17:03 GMT)

So much for england winning the ashes and then thinking they are good.. he he he.. welcome to where u really belong england....netherlands did a great job keep ur heads up gyus

Posted by Parashu on (February 22, 2011, 17:01 GMT)

Looking at tonight's match, I wonder what WI and BAN would be contemplating--book ENG on the flight back on 17th March and occupy the bottom two slots in Group B!!! Honestly, ENG look like a side in proper disarray!!!!!

Posted by Gopi on (February 22, 2011, 16:57 GMT)

Let Bopara open with Strauss. Keep KP where he belongs.

Outstanding work by the Dutch, especially Ryan!

Posted by Ryo on (February 22, 2011, 16:56 GMT)

Neds lacked that one bowler who could really tie things down in the middle overs which is what cost them. That would have forced Eng to play more shots going into the last 10 overs, which usually results in more wickets. Oh well.

Posted by Mark on (February 22, 2011, 16:49 GMT)

@owenm, a lot of the English DO care about the world cup, a lot of us DID care when we won the T20 WC, and if they are like me they did care about how bad the bowling/fielding was today! Seriousy though holland were awesome, got me quite nervous when they were batting, RTD could have gone on to really give us a headache. But seriously pleased they showed associates are competitive, I'm a big supporter or keeping them in (and getting more in) the world cup. The ICC should look to FIFA for advice, New Zealand have a dire football team but ended up ahead of Italy in their group. Its got to happen in this tournament too. This game was a warning, I can't see it being Kenya, but someone will cause an upset. (Ireland/Netherland most likely).

Posted by Muhammad on (February 22, 2011, 16:48 GMT)

Today Holland Rocks................ They Can Give Tought Time To Other Teams....

Posted by Dummy4 on (February 22, 2011, 16:47 GMT)

England won, but shouldn't be happy, for there are real teams out there. Anyway, congratulations Netherlands for the effort!

Posted by Dummy4 on (February 22, 2011, 16:45 GMT)

England Won the match but credit goes to Holland Well done Dutch boys

Posted by Dummy4 on (February 22, 2011, 16:38 GMT)

this is the simple target 4 england

Posted by Dummy4 on (February 22, 2011, 15:47 GMT)

a decent score against the english!!! this looks really promising...!! well done Holland!!!

Posted by Owen on (February 22, 2011, 15:44 GMT)

To reply to a lot of people on this message board. English DON'T care about the world cup. No-one here cared about them winning the T20 WC and no-one will care what happens in this world cup. Literally the only thing people care about is the ashes, the 2 Andy's understood this and therefore focussed everything on it. and it paid off, now England are suffering because they haven't planned for it. But like I said, no-one cares. I'm only following the England games cos I have 3 of them in my fantasy team (they were cheap, surprise surprise!!)

Posted by Martin on (February 22, 2011, 15:27 GMT)

A quite shocking performance from England. There is no dressing this up - it's DIRE. Holland have played really well and deserve to win and with England at 183/2 at the moment the game is in the balance. Call a spade a spade; this is Abysmal.

Posted by Abhimanyu on (February 22, 2011, 15:15 GMT)

Good performance from the Dutch. Other associates can learn from them, and, do their bits to rescue the group from their planned expulsion from the future WCs.

Posted by Dummy4 on (February 22, 2011, 15:11 GMT)

Neds putting 292 on the Britts!! WOW!! I smell upset although it's not such a good news for BD

Posted by Rakesh on (February 22, 2011, 14:56 GMT)

Another reason why there must be atleast two associate nations. come on big players Tendulkar show atleast some leadership here. Dhoni, Strauss, Kallis Vettori and all former players show support for these teams participation in WC. This teams can be sheilded from one sidedness by holding more than 2 games per day.

Posted by Ashley on (February 22, 2011, 14:53 GMT)

Ryan is South African.......his great, SA players are all over the world coz its so tough to make it here because of all the talent!

Posted by Dummy4 on (February 22, 2011, 13:48 GMT)

Superb work Netherlands .. keep t up .. Hope you guys will win the match.. and establish in ODI as challenging team.

Posted by Dummy4 on (February 22, 2011, 13:38 GMT)

england should get the runs. the dutch have a grade cricket at best bowling attack

Posted by Andrew on (February 22, 2011, 13:34 GMT)

It's Holland's South African against the English South Africans.

Posted by Dummy4 on (February 22, 2011, 13:29 GMT)

Great match in our hand as the England team is under pressure to chase down the Challenging 292 to chase against vastly under rated the Netherlands.England fresh from 1-6 drubbing at hte hands of Aussies down under and the strugle against Minnows Canada in the Warm ups will be feeling the heat at the moment

Posted by Rohanj on (February 22, 2011, 13:21 GMT)

Hilarious stuff Poms! Where are all your admirers now?! lol At any rate I still expect England to win with such a very long batting lineup. In fact its quite bizarre seeing 7 batsmen and three allrounders plus Anderson. A totally unbalanced side. Why they batted Prior as opener in Australia to then replace him at the WC and never give Bell the chance is just beyond me. And they're kidding themselves if they think Collingwood will bowl the better part of ten overs as fifth bowler every game and expect to win!! Just shows that Englands great planning for the Australian tour did not extend beyond the Ashes and a WC win is just a pipe dream! Don't worry, Australia can lend you one of our four trophies if you like, just to look at what you'll never achieve!! HAHA

Posted by Dummy4 on (February 22, 2011, 13:19 GMT)

more than awsome by this dutch man....love his innings...!

Posted by Christopher on (February 22, 2011, 13:18 GMT)

You would think after years of being in the England setup and numerous rips to the sub-continent they'd realized that medium pace bowlers and do not fool yourself the England setup is filled with them does not get the job done in fact they get hammered! Anderson hasn't been the same since he left Australia for the birth of his 2nd child, Broad can still be taken out of his game easily when things don't go his way, and Bresnan again another 80-85mph bowler which just doesn't bother most batsmen on these type wickets. Why was Yardy left on the bench? How do you bowl leg side wides ball after ball? and worst of them all how do you not have your field set properly? This team does not want to be playing cricket they want a holiday to bask in their Ashes triumph plain as that!

Posted by ramachandra on (February 22, 2011, 13:17 GMT)

Its also a shame that genuinely fast and promising young bowlers - the Jonkman twins are not in this world cup. Had they been playing along with this batting, it would have been really interesting.

Posted by rohit on (February 22, 2011, 13:16 GMT)

An ordinery bowling display from an ordinery & overly hyped England cricket team. Even if they win this match it is a disgrace for this England team that they conceded 290 odd against Nederlands.

Posted by Dummy4 on (February 22, 2011, 13:15 GMT)

Oh what is going on with England.I can not expect such kind of performance from them..I think England is far more better team than Netherlands... but all credit goes to Dutch batsmen who played really well and it will be unfair appreciate England's fielding and as some extent bowling who really help them to build such a big total................... best of luck for England to get into it...

Posted by ramachandra on (February 22, 2011, 13:15 GMT)

Its also a shame that genuinely fast and promising young bowlers - the Jonkin twins are not in this world cup. Had they been playing along with this batting, it would have been really interesting.

Posted by Shahul on (February 22, 2011, 13:14 GMT)

Well....Could this be...could this be...could this be...the first upset of this World Cup...and that too England...Man!!!Netherlands can really bat...but how about their bowling?...Keeping my fingers crossed...go orange caps go...!!!

Posted by vn on (February 22, 2011, 13:13 GMT)

ponting eat your own words... lucky that you are not against NL ... go oranje go

Posted by Shane on (February 22, 2011, 13:13 GMT)

If Ireland and Netherlands aren't allowed in the next WC, so shouldn't England :)

p.s. I'm glad I added ten Doeschate as my fantasy team captain just before the game started.

Posted by Henry on (February 22, 2011, 13:13 GMT)

Awesome innings Netherlands! WOW! Englands 'Wordcup nightmare' continues.

Posted by vn on (February 22, 2011, 13:12 GMT)

ponting eat your own words... lucky that you are not against NL ... go oranje go

Posted by Graham on (February 22, 2011, 13:12 GMT)

Shocking display by ENG and well done to NED, but what I find most shocking is that Swann named his son Wilfred!

Posted by Ahmed on (February 22, 2011, 13:12 GMT)

Andrew , You've missed out on updating Borren's score ..

Shud read 35 from 24 balls instead of xx from xx balls ...

Have u gone red (read orange ) in the face too , Andrew ?

Wow ...Rename Ten Doeschate as Ten Does-kar .... Now for the most important part of the game .... the second half ...

Cmon Oranges finish off the Poms ...

Netherland beat Englan by 27 Runs .... Amen ...

Posted by JAGDISH on (February 22, 2011, 13:10 GMT)

take that ricky and haroon that is your answer..............make it a global cup not a elite division worldcup.

Posted by milward on (February 22, 2011, 13:10 GMT)

that was a great show from an associate. its rily good for our beloved game of cricket

Posted by Dummy4 on (February 22, 2011, 13:09 GMT)

fabulous effort by Netherlands.. brilliant batting by Ryan ten Doeschate..yesterday it was very good bowling and fielding by Zimbabwe.. and now ICC is saying no more associate countries in next world cup..ICC decision is a disgrace to the sport..how are you expecting them to improve without giving them chance...Bangladesh improved only because they got a lot of chance to play with test playing nations and they are not considered minnows any more

Posted by Dummy4 on (February 22, 2011, 13:09 GMT)

I think the ICC should reverse the decision of not allowing the associate nations in the 2015 WC.

Posted by ahamed on (February 22, 2011, 13:08 GMT)

"i think,........ " ten " - this word makes legends... " I seconded this

Posted by Dummy4 on (February 22, 2011, 13:08 GMT)

chase wuddave been stiffer had dirk nannes been playing for dutch

Posted by Kanaganathan on (February 22, 2011, 13:08 GMT)

ha ha ha i love this match, everbody said that englend is the stong team in world cup. see that

Posted by Sundar on (February 22, 2011, 13:07 GMT)

fantastic knock from Doeschate......watching from heaven

Posted by ahamed on (February 22, 2011, 13:07 GMT)

Michael Vaughan included australia in minnow list.i think he forgot england

Posted by Alok on (February 22, 2011, 13:05 GMT)

" unbeaten on xx from xx balls"?? Is someone's copy editor asleep? :)

Posted by Daniel on (February 22, 2011, 13:04 GMT)

You'd think that England would have learnt from experience that SA born and schooled batsmen are pretty good...rather satisfying to see them undone by one though!

Posted by Bhupal on (February 22, 2011, 13:04 GMT)

Had Bangladesh batted first against India, they would also have posted a score close to 300, and we may have seen similar comments for India. But my gut says, Sehwag and Kohli would again have combined under dew to chase the score within 40 overs. All said, English batting is much weaker than Indian. Unless Peterson fires, and fires big, they would be staring at defeat.

Posted by john on (February 22, 2011, 13:03 GMT)

Can england win? It is a good innings from them. I want england to win

Posted by BLAKE on (February 22, 2011, 13:02 GMT)

i wonder if anyone had Ryan ten Doeschate in there fantasy team.

Posted by Dummy4 on (February 22, 2011, 13:01 GMT)

How about we give the minnows more chances to play at the top level?

These performances make me sad that the development of Cricket is getting pushed back so much by the ICC.

I'm not even going to go into the Bangladesh/Zimbabwe debate.

Posted by Jordan on (February 22, 2011, 13:01 GMT)

Back amidst all the post Ashes banter, I posted a comment on a Cricinfo article urging my Australian countrymen not to waste time trying to convince English fans that their team was ordinary. I argued that the English team would convince their own fans of that fact, sooner or later. My friends - the prophecy has come to pass. *insert 'Yeah but we still won the Ashes!' retort here*

Posted by Mukul on (February 22, 2011, 13:01 GMT)

Netherlands and Ireland are better than Bangladesh in many ways atleast in T20 & ODIs, these two teams batsman can play in seaming conditions pretty well...bangladesh should play with these two teams frequently instead of getting banged from top 5 in tests

Posted by Gokul on (February 22, 2011, 13:01 GMT)

ryan ten doeschate is simply brilliant; i'd love to see an upset here

Posted by Dummy4 on (February 22, 2011, 13:01 GMT)

Hats off to the Dutch performance..:)

Posted by sidhant on (February 22, 2011, 13:00 GMT)


Posted by Dummy4 on (February 22, 2011, 13:00 GMT)

superb perfomance from the Dutch

Posted by Dummy4 on (February 22, 2011, 13:00 GMT)

My new addition to the favourite list - Ryan ten Doeschate x) Heard he's an Epic all rounder and bowls nicely as well, looking forward to see him rattle England's batting lineup too x)

Posted by Nuthankulva on (February 22, 2011, 12:59 GMT)

Awesome batting by da dutch team.......

Posted by Dummy4 on (February 22, 2011, 12:58 GMT)

i think,........ " ten " - this word makes legends...

Posted by M on (February 22, 2011, 12:58 GMT)

KKR have already pocketed some goodwill from that innings from ten Doeschte... Hard to believe that this was the same lineup that gave Aus trouble on Aus pitches during the ashes...although I guess Broad and Bresnan didn't take part in it... ... the so vaunted all round skills of Eng... those useless meaningless 7 ODI with Aus... losing is a tough habit to break... I think that Netherlands might be able to restrict them to 260 if they can keep it tight early... either way, this was and will be an exciting game of cricket... ... whilst I don't think it will silence the critics, I think it shows why teams like Neth and Ireland should be given some honest consideration in future events... they can mix it on a reasonable level with some of the Test nations.

Posted by Steve on (February 22, 2011, 12:58 GMT)

This is the England team who got beaten 6-1 by a fairly average (based on most of their play) Australian team just before the start of this WC. I also seem to remember them being run close by the might of Canada. A big chance not to go further than this stage of the tournament!

Posted by ashok on (February 22, 2011, 12:57 GMT)

Already we saw england in the warm up against Canada.. looks like they still need to improve.

Posted by Dummy4 on (February 22, 2011, 12:56 GMT)

great innings from RtD just goes to show that the so called minnows really can mix it up with the bigger teams. Further proof that the ICC are a disgrace to the sport.

Posted by Arun on (February 22, 2011, 12:54 GMT)

The oranjes were awesome! Looked more as if the English were the minnows. Great batting.

Posted by Dummy4 on (February 22, 2011, 12:53 GMT)

What an innings from Ryan Ten Doeschate, who has a Bradmanesque average of over or around 70 in ODI's. Wish Orange rains n reigns in the Orange City!!! Good to see Doeschate making a mockery of the ICC's decision to uninvite associate nations in 2015. Wish the Dutch team a Good-luck with the ball too

Posted by saubhik on (February 22, 2011, 12:52 GMT)

boy....netherlands can bat...specially ten doeschate...he can easily play for a test team....even baressi...cooper...de grooth...borren all can bat well...this team can easily form a good test batting line up!!!! now its upto their bowling attack to prove that they can well pull off a test status!!!! keepin my fingers crossed for a dutch win 2nite!!!!

Posted by John on (February 22, 2011, 12:50 GMT)

Well done, Netherlands, and ten Doeschate in particular, magnificent effort. As for England, the less said the better. They weren't great in the first 40 overs, but the last 10 were an utter disgrace. 104 runs conceded, a no-ball for having only 3 men in the circle, Swann dropped a sitter and the bowling and fielding were all over the place. England looked like the Associate side and Netherlands the test team. Even if England win, this is as bad a performance as England have given in many years. Appalling- there's no other word for it.

Posted by prasanna on (February 22, 2011, 12:50 GMT)

its heartening to c dutch team posting a challenging total.......hope they win the match and announce themselves in the international stage

Posted by Dummy4 on (February 22, 2011, 12:46 GMT)

293 for england......................................

Posted by Dummy4 on (February 22, 2011, 12:45 GMT)

magnificent 100 by Ryan ten Doeschate

Posted by Chris on (February 22, 2011, 12:31 GMT)

This game proves beyond doubt that the "minnows" of crocket should be allowqed to play in such competitions .... otherwise I cannot see how England would get a game ?

Posted by Anthony on (February 22, 2011, 12:29 GMT)

To quote Graham Taylor "Do I not like Orange"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Another England / Netherlands nightmare!!!

Posted by Alex on (February 22, 2011, 12:23 GMT)

Go the dutch! Netherlands and Ireland should be in the next world cup they are good enough

Posted by Dummy4 on (February 22, 2011, 12:16 GMT)

what an amazing innings from Ryan ten Doeschate.....watchin here in Guyana

Posted by Dummy4 on (February 22, 2011, 12:14 GMT)

Well done Dutch eleven :)

Posted by Dummy4 on (February 22, 2011, 12:00 GMT)

if this is the best the poms have got they won't make the quarters

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