Australia in India 2013-14 October 21, 2013

New ODI rules and faulty bowling shackle Dhoni

The rule of having only four fielders in the deep to protect a less than incisive bowling line-up has placed limits on MS Dhoni's captaincy
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MS Dhoni walked slowly near the boundary of the Mahinda Rajapaksa International Cricket Stadium near Hambantota, the notorious wind howling across from the forest behind him. But his thoughts were on something else, his eyes warily sizing up the outfield, easily one of the biggest in international cricket. His first reaction: "It will be very difficult to stop twos and threes on this ground." It was an instant, momentary glimpse into how Dhoni's mind works. Almost immediately, he moved on to pleasantries about the remoteness of the area.

The Hambantota trip was in July 2012. Already, the introduction of two new balls had snatched away reverse swing and the last remaining signs of attacking spin bowling in ODIs. With specialist bowlers who have made him lament the absence of Yuvraj Singh's part-time slow left-armers, Dhoni's problems were to be aggravated, especially in home conditions: A couple of months later, the maximum number of deep fielders was reduced to four from five. For a man who won the World Cup with an ageing team, and two years later, the Champions Trophy with a raw squad, this new combination of unreliable bowlers and unfavourable rules poses a daunting challenge.

Dhoni's limited-overs captaincy, and by unfortunate extension, at times his Test captaincy, is about damage control. He hates conceding runs. Not that other captains enjoy giving them away, but in Dhoni's case, it is the core philosophy of how he operates. At times, a fumble or a late reaction from a deep fielder will make him punch one gloved hand with the other in frustration. You will seldom see a similar reaction from him for a dropped catch.

Dhoni does not take wickets to restrict runs. He restricts runs to take wickets. That is why he likes and backs Ravindra Jadeja so much. That is why he has so much time for Pragyan Ojha, in Tests. He waits and waits for an opportunity and then moves in like a boa constrictor. As soon as the Australia openers fell in Mohali, he turned to Jadeja and Yuvraj, who darted the ball in backed by a packed leg-side field. The runs dried out. The asking-rate increased. Australia lost crucial middle-order wickets. The Dhoni formula seemed to be working again, till James Faulkner v Ishant Sharma happened.

It is easy to label him defensive, but there is a contributing factor to why his style is the way it is. Dhoni's never had the kind of ODI bowlers who can consistently deliver wickets without going for runs. He does not have a Mitchell Johnson who can run through a line-up with extreme pace and bounce. He does not have a Saeed Ajmal who can contain as well as strike reliably.

When he's found someone like a Bhuvneshwar Kumar, who delivers more often than not with the new ball, he's given him extended spells at the start. Bhuvneshwar is a limited bowler at the moment, and Dhoni tries to maximise his strength with the new ball. But even a Bhuvneshwar is a rarity for Dhoni.

Over a large period of his captaincy, Dhoni also had the headache of where to hide several slow men on the field. Though India's young batsmen have upped the standards considerably, Dhoni still has to deal with where to place R Ashwin and Ishant - both not exactly assets on the field. One wonders his plight if he had to operate under the restriction of four deep fielders with some of the older sides he's led.

The India captain has been quite vocal about his discomfort with the new rule that has compounded his worries of minimising the damage his bowlers frequently inflict upon his batsmen. Five deep fielders were about the only hedge Dhoni had against bowlers who regularly panic and lose their discipline at the death. For a captain who isn't comfortable with "spoon-feeding" bowlers, he's increasingly started to run to them when they do the exact opposite of what the field is set for, which is often.

His exasperation was clear at the toss in Mohali where he said something to the tune of "I don't know what they want us to do" with all the new rules. The impact is being felt acutely in home ODIs played on placid pitches. India have already lost six of 11 home games in the past year playing with four deep fielders. Over the same period between 2011 and 2012, they'd lost one in ten matches at home. With one less man to protect the boundary, Dhoni has a serious challenge on his hands and it will have to be somehow tackled on the field working with the same set of bowlers. Having probably the most powerful ODI batting line-up has worked as an insurance against profligate bowlers in the past but it might no longer suffice.

Abhishek Purohit is a sub-editor at ESPNcricinfo

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  • Mr.PotatoesTomatoes on October 21, 2013, 11:32 GMT

    While I feel for MS,its the spinners I am more concerned about.The rules of two new balls from both the ends and only four fielders allowed in the outfield will all but drive spin bowling in ODIs to extinction.With the ball being relatively new throughout the innings spin will no longer have any significant impact on cricket games.We have already witnessed in this series how slower bowlers on both teams have only concentrated on containing the batsmen,darting the ball in,rather than bowl more aggressively.If nothings done the beautiful art of spin bowling will be reduced to insipid pie-chucking in ODIs.

  • sandeepsingh19 on October 23, 2013, 14:01 GMT

    MSD is the best captain we had after DADA and he knows the game well then us. He is right in the article and I support him because he have best cricketing brain, we can't deny from that. Problem in India is in system, nothing has been done about the pitches which support both bowlers and batsman equally. Mohali's pitch is quite near and so they don't have good record over here. We need more such pitches instead of flat tracks. Now, the bowlers, we never get consistent bowlers due to same because they are used to flat tracks and on their own pitch when they get hammered they forget where to bowl. They were bowling mostly on leg side and middle stump which was easy to pull, but the key is if you want to bowl short, it is better to bowl short on outside off stump but keep it near to off stump. We should find a winning combination from Bhuvi, Praveen, Varun Aaron, Umesh, Irfan, and Zak. Ishant is useless. RP can be think over again as he was the most economical bowler of T20 WC'2007.

  • Nampally on October 23, 2013, 13:30 GMT

    Finally Dhoni gave a bit of ground & dropped Ishant to make room for Shami & Unadkat. Both bowled well & economically. But he goofed again by omitting B.Kumar. Fortunately, Vinay at least took 2 wkts. albeit being expensive. No sign of Mishra. But MSD also used Raina for 8 overs with excellent economy rate. Ashwin was again expensive as was Yuvraj. So still there is room for fine tuning. One more redeeming feature was Kohli was not used as a Bowler.These are some of the positive ways of coping with the new rules & moving forward. Action always speaks louder than words. I am glad to see it.India also need to do it in batting - coping with the 4 Oz pacemen to complete the adjusting. Way to go, MSD!.

  • on October 23, 2013, 8:05 GMT

    @stup1d Australia didn't use Leg Theory because; A) we considered it unsporting and, possibly, B) our best bowlers were spinners then and I'm not sure we had bowlers who were fast and accurate enough to be able to pull it off. I've answered your question and still don't see your point. I also don't see the relevance of your mini history lesson either. This "story" is just a typical Dhoni-whine which he always does after India have lost a game. Lack of fielders on the boundary is an advantage to teams who hit boundaries, aren't quick runners between the wickets, and play on small grounds with fast outfields i.e. India in India. No rule in cricket comes into effect if it's not BCCI approved and think if Dhoni thought about it a bit, he probably would mention restrictions on outfielders as it is advantageous to his team

  • Naresh28 on October 23, 2013, 7:29 GMT

    INDIA needs to concentrate on their strengths - MISHRA could come in - when the spinners came on they strangled Oz. Oz realized that their target would be the weak pace bowlers - thus Ishant, Vinay, Kohli, and even Bhuvi gave them the runs. This together with Ashwin's poor form is helping Oz out - Ashwin's problem is that he is not taking wickets. So what does that leave us in the BOWLING DEPARTMENT? NOTHING!!!!

  • bobmartin on October 23, 2013, 5:20 GMT

    I haven't read all the comments on this article.. so someone may well have beaten me to this... but..do these restrictions not apply to any other ODI captain or is this another case of India being singled out for special restrictive practices in order to prevent them winning. Or maybe it's excuses because Dhoni (who looks like becoming the new Indian super-hero once SRT finally departs the scene) is captaining a losing side.

  • dunger.bob on October 23, 2013, 3:18 GMT

    Very early in the piece the author claims that reverse swing has been 'snatched away' from Dhoni and I guess by implication all other the captains. Well, I dispute that claim because in our domestic 50 over competition pretty much all teams are getting some reverse in the final 10 overs or so. Right when you need it the most in fact. The ball is still reversing but it's happening later in the innings. .. the other thing that gets me about the statement is I wasn't aware that the Indian's were masters of reverse anyway. I can't remember the Aussies ever being worried about the Indian pace men reversing their way through the batting order. .. there must be something I missed.

    Anyway, I suppose there's nothing wrong with saying you don't like the rules but wouldn't it be better just to leave it at that and get on with the job. In the end I'm sure that's what will happen.

  • Abaa on October 23, 2013, 2:43 GMT

    Isn't this new rule helping the Indian batting juggernaut score the extra 50-100 runs when they bat? So the other team experiences the same disadvantage right? So why is this being mentioned all over the place? The change in rule does not change the fact that India's bowlers were hopeless before and continue to be toothless ...

  • siddhartha87 on October 23, 2013, 1:49 GMT

    Few things we all must accept:

    1. Ashwin can perform only in tailor made pitches. He will be massacred throughout this series.i don't think it was tactic to bring him in 29th over in last game.It was simply fear of Dhoni. Bring on Mishra.

    2. Raina has played only 2 matches at no 4. No need to criticize him.

    3. Yuvi is no longer good. He can play some good innings here and there but that's all.There will be no consistency.And there is simply no reason for preferring him over Raina.

    4.Bhuvaneshwar Kumar can't bowl well in death overs.

    5. Vinay kumar gets wicket only when batsman slogs him.

    6. Kohli does not get wicket even when a batsman slogs him.

    7.Ishant Sharma has not learnt anything in 6-7 years of his international career.

    8.Dhoni,hardest hitter of the ball at the moment. But terribly defensive as captain. 9.jadeja- Bowling well but needs to be more responsible with bat.

  • on October 22, 2013, 23:02 GMT

    seriously u want to step down to this level. What did suresh raina, yuvraj and jadeja to with the bat in the entire series. These players always struggled against raw pace, so what are they doing in this team against an opposition team that has a factory of genuinely quick fast bowlers. Had bailey not dropped the catch then India probably wouldn't touch 270 - although credit goes to dhoni for showing the damage he can cause if he is given any chances. Fact is the aussie quicks were the ones pitching the ball up with new ball, but Indians were bowling a back of a length. so where does the new rules come into picture. Regarding defensive fields because of poor bowling attack, well u are not giving the bowler any confidence by giving him such fields anyway. But only reducing his wicket taking chances. What india needs are good swing bowlers. they have bhuvi, but thats it. Vinay kumar is too old. Ishant sharma needs to pitch the ball up, but he is down on confidence. Where is praveen kumar

  • Mr.PotatoesTomatoes on October 21, 2013, 11:32 GMT

    While I feel for MS,its the spinners I am more concerned about.The rules of two new balls from both the ends and only four fielders allowed in the outfield will all but drive spin bowling in ODIs to extinction.With the ball being relatively new throughout the innings spin will no longer have any significant impact on cricket games.We have already witnessed in this series how slower bowlers on both teams have only concentrated on containing the batsmen,darting the ball in,rather than bowl more aggressively.If nothings done the beautiful art of spin bowling will be reduced to insipid pie-chucking in ODIs.

  • sandeepsingh19 on October 23, 2013, 14:01 GMT

    MSD is the best captain we had after DADA and he knows the game well then us. He is right in the article and I support him because he have best cricketing brain, we can't deny from that. Problem in India is in system, nothing has been done about the pitches which support both bowlers and batsman equally. Mohali's pitch is quite near and so they don't have good record over here. We need more such pitches instead of flat tracks. Now, the bowlers, we never get consistent bowlers due to same because they are used to flat tracks and on their own pitch when they get hammered they forget where to bowl. They were bowling mostly on leg side and middle stump which was easy to pull, but the key is if you want to bowl short, it is better to bowl short on outside off stump but keep it near to off stump. We should find a winning combination from Bhuvi, Praveen, Varun Aaron, Umesh, Irfan, and Zak. Ishant is useless. RP can be think over again as he was the most economical bowler of T20 WC'2007.

  • Nampally on October 23, 2013, 13:30 GMT

    Finally Dhoni gave a bit of ground & dropped Ishant to make room for Shami & Unadkat. Both bowled well & economically. But he goofed again by omitting B.Kumar. Fortunately, Vinay at least took 2 wkts. albeit being expensive. No sign of Mishra. But MSD also used Raina for 8 overs with excellent economy rate. Ashwin was again expensive as was Yuvraj. So still there is room for fine tuning. One more redeeming feature was Kohli was not used as a Bowler.These are some of the positive ways of coping with the new rules & moving forward. Action always speaks louder than words. I am glad to see it.India also need to do it in batting - coping with the 4 Oz pacemen to complete the adjusting. Way to go, MSD!.

  • on October 23, 2013, 8:05 GMT

    @stup1d Australia didn't use Leg Theory because; A) we considered it unsporting and, possibly, B) our best bowlers were spinners then and I'm not sure we had bowlers who were fast and accurate enough to be able to pull it off. I've answered your question and still don't see your point. I also don't see the relevance of your mini history lesson either. This "story" is just a typical Dhoni-whine which he always does after India have lost a game. Lack of fielders on the boundary is an advantage to teams who hit boundaries, aren't quick runners between the wickets, and play on small grounds with fast outfields i.e. India in India. No rule in cricket comes into effect if it's not BCCI approved and think if Dhoni thought about it a bit, he probably would mention restrictions on outfielders as it is advantageous to his team

  • Naresh28 on October 23, 2013, 7:29 GMT

    INDIA needs to concentrate on their strengths - MISHRA could come in - when the spinners came on they strangled Oz. Oz realized that their target would be the weak pace bowlers - thus Ishant, Vinay, Kohli, and even Bhuvi gave them the runs. This together with Ashwin's poor form is helping Oz out - Ashwin's problem is that he is not taking wickets. So what does that leave us in the BOWLING DEPARTMENT? NOTHING!!!!

  • bobmartin on October 23, 2013, 5:20 GMT

    I haven't read all the comments on this article.. so someone may well have beaten me to this... but..do these restrictions not apply to any other ODI captain or is this another case of India being singled out for special restrictive practices in order to prevent them winning. Or maybe it's excuses because Dhoni (who looks like becoming the new Indian super-hero once SRT finally departs the scene) is captaining a losing side.

  • dunger.bob on October 23, 2013, 3:18 GMT

    Very early in the piece the author claims that reverse swing has been 'snatched away' from Dhoni and I guess by implication all other the captains. Well, I dispute that claim because in our domestic 50 over competition pretty much all teams are getting some reverse in the final 10 overs or so. Right when you need it the most in fact. The ball is still reversing but it's happening later in the innings. .. the other thing that gets me about the statement is I wasn't aware that the Indian's were masters of reverse anyway. I can't remember the Aussies ever being worried about the Indian pace men reversing their way through the batting order. .. there must be something I missed.

    Anyway, I suppose there's nothing wrong with saying you don't like the rules but wouldn't it be better just to leave it at that and get on with the job. In the end I'm sure that's what will happen.

  • Abaa on October 23, 2013, 2:43 GMT

    Isn't this new rule helping the Indian batting juggernaut score the extra 50-100 runs when they bat? So the other team experiences the same disadvantage right? So why is this being mentioned all over the place? The change in rule does not change the fact that India's bowlers were hopeless before and continue to be toothless ...

  • siddhartha87 on October 23, 2013, 1:49 GMT

    Few things we all must accept:

    1. Ashwin can perform only in tailor made pitches. He will be massacred throughout this series.i don't think it was tactic to bring him in 29th over in last game.It was simply fear of Dhoni. Bring on Mishra.

    2. Raina has played only 2 matches at no 4. No need to criticize him.

    3. Yuvi is no longer good. He can play some good innings here and there but that's all.There will be no consistency.And there is simply no reason for preferring him over Raina.

    4.Bhuvaneshwar Kumar can't bowl well in death overs.

    5. Vinay kumar gets wicket only when batsman slogs him.

    6. Kohli does not get wicket even when a batsman slogs him.

    7.Ishant Sharma has not learnt anything in 6-7 years of his international career.

    8.Dhoni,hardest hitter of the ball at the moment. But terribly defensive as captain. 9.jadeja- Bowling well but needs to be more responsible with bat.

  • on October 22, 2013, 23:02 GMT

    seriously u want to step down to this level. What did suresh raina, yuvraj and jadeja to with the bat in the entire series. These players always struggled against raw pace, so what are they doing in this team against an opposition team that has a factory of genuinely quick fast bowlers. Had bailey not dropped the catch then India probably wouldn't touch 270 - although credit goes to dhoni for showing the damage he can cause if he is given any chances. Fact is the aussie quicks were the ones pitching the ball up with new ball, but Indians were bowling a back of a length. so where does the new rules come into picture. Regarding defensive fields because of poor bowling attack, well u are not giving the bowler any confidence by giving him such fields anyway. But only reducing his wicket taking chances. What india needs are good swing bowlers. they have bhuvi, but thats it. Vinay kumar is too old. Ishant sharma needs to pitch the ball up, but he is down on confidence. Where is praveen kumar

  • on October 22, 2013, 22:19 GMT

    well india needs to produce some quality bowlers..instead of lamenting about the rules...rules imply on both sides so move on and pay some attention on producing some bowlers who can give results.this art has really died in india.occassional silver linings and then again dark clouds....this has been the situation of indian bowling.....and most astonishing of all is its coming from MSD..i rate him the best captain in todays cricket who analyze the situation very quickly.......its a shocker from u MS...really disappointed me....a fan of urs from PAKISTAN

  • Nampally on October 22, 2013, 21:10 GMT

    There is so much complaining about the change of rules for ODI- First from Dhoni and next from Raina. BCCI had a chance to fight this issue at the ICC meeting before the rules were changed. That was the time to challenge. It is like "brooding over spilt Milk"! Now that rules are different, India has to accept it & build a team round those rules. In IPL T20, Ashwin and Jadeja used the new ball in several matches right from the opening Overs. Why can't the spinners use the new ball from say Over #6 of each new ball? There is always a way to get around the problem. Throwing up the arms in total surrender & using it as excuse for defeats is like a "Poor Workman blaming his Tools". When Ashwin gave just 5 runs in Over #49, how could Ishant give 30 runs in Over 48 or Kohli 18 runs in over #40? Bowling wide outside the off stump but within the allowable width, would have saved all the 4 sixers off Ishant. If An Indian pace bowler cannot do that consistently, he should not play in XI- simple.

  • Midnight1131 on October 22, 2013, 20:45 GMT

    They shouldn't have used Ishant for the 3rd last over. I believe Ashwin had 2 overs remaining to bowl. So he could've done 2. And then you could've have Vinay do the other 1.

  • on October 22, 2013, 19:35 GMT

    I think if Ishant is not a good death bowler, we should have kept hm away. Remember Ashwin bowled better and still had one over left after the game. Last 3 overs should have been Ashwin, Yuvraj/Vinay, Ashwin. You need to use your resources well. A good captain needs to learn from past experience.

  • WalkingWicket11 on October 22, 2013, 16:34 GMT

    @John Smith. Yes, so please tell me what stopped Australia from using the Fast Leg Theory? The rules were the same for both teams, right? Get the answer to that and you will see my point. Also, it doesn't matter when the rules were changed. The Aussies were the first to complain, and it even became a basis for diplomatic confrontation between two countries. The frequency of cricket matches played was much less those days and it wasn't quite the professional sport that it is today, with so much media focus. Rule changes took longer time those days.

  • Thyagu5432 on October 22, 2013, 16:13 GMT

    I dont understand why there is so much hulla gulla about this loss. India snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. It was India's match right through and they deserve to win but for that one over from Ishant. It happens once in a while and it happened this match. Aussies are talking as if this was their strategy (to go after pace bowlers and how well they did it etc., etc.,). It might have been their strategy but what does "going after" mean. It is just slogging and that is what Faulkner did and it put Ishant off balance. It worked and he becomes the hero and Ishant the villain. Another day another match, one of those shots would land on the lap of one of the fielders and the credits will be reversed. I am surprised Dhoni is whining about the new rule, so very unDhoni-like.

  • on October 22, 2013, 15:04 GMT

    i dont know y indians always make so much fuss abt rules and all. u ppl r talking like these rules apply only when india bowls. my friends when india bats in the same game the same rules r followed so they r also benefitted by them. so stop giving lame excuses and produce some quality bowlers.

  • yoogi on October 22, 2013, 13:34 GMT

    The problem is both pf having too many spinners and not many fastbowlers and some how BCCI could not bully on this one aspect. Probably they didnt anticipate the problem their spinners could face. Go back to single ball in an innings so that spinners can get old ball to speak for themselves. That will all of a sudden provide india with three good allrounders and just one fast bowler will be enough for us.

  • on October 22, 2013, 13:26 GMT

    ODI rules limit all teams. However, India's bowling limits India tremendously. Unless they find some good accurate pace bowling, they will not do well in the next World Cup.

  • fr600 on October 22, 2013, 13:21 GMT

    The new rule doesn't apply to one country only. Deal with it like other do.

  • on October 22, 2013, 13:07 GMT

    Everytime India loses, MSD comes with same old excuse. Its been same excuse for last one year.

  • Cricketlover54 on October 22, 2013, 10:53 GMT

    Worlds biggest excuse maker is at it again, and running out of excuses. @Black_bird. Indian fans have been saying that in the start of the series, even after losing first game; boasting about winning 6-1. Ranchi pitch would not be flat and would support bowlers, so I would think it would irrelevant which Innings India will bat as Aus bowlers would run through them.

  • on October 22, 2013, 10:48 GMT

    The ground has become smaller, the pitch is flat, Free Hit. Two new balls are used, not more than four outside the 15 yard field restriction. Cricket has become game of batsman only, a batsman paradise. I think the ground should not be less than 75 yards for international match, only one ball, minimum 4 fielders inside the circle on all overs, no power play, and BIG NO to FREE HIT. Free hit is dumbest of all rules the bowler is penalized two times for no ball. BCCI don't tweak the rule to make cricket a fantasy game. I am BCCI because you are power house with money and now calling all shorts in ICC. On other hand why not reduce the pitch to 21 yards. If BCCI and ICC continue this bowlers will be endangered species.

  • on October 22, 2013, 10:43 GMT

    Three spinners.. Play the third spinner!!

  • Naseer on October 22, 2013, 9:52 GMT

    Dont raise this issue of bringing changes in ODIs, because if BCCI awakens to these rules, they will stop accepting new changes that are made by some experts in order to keep the ODI format alive, like DRS BCCI will start refusing these new rules as well. I dont think it is new rules that hurt indian team, it is a long lasting probelm of overly depending on batting and not paying attention to bowling, preparing flat tracks does not encourage a youngster to become any type of bowler, in domestic system drawn matches are decided by the toss, it goes to show how important batsmenship is in india for which they have created such unorthodox rules, why balanced pitches are not prepared, which equally support bowler and batsmen or a little bit tilted towards bowlers. this will improve the abilities of batsmen to adopt to different conditions and bowlers will also be motivated.

  • on October 22, 2013, 9:47 GMT

    India is blessed to have Dhoni just like Pakistan has Misbah. Their problems are also similar. Misbah has no quality batsmen in his team. On the other hand, Dhoni lacks a quality bowling attack.

  • Int.Curator on October 22, 2013, 9:32 GMT

    Excuses! Sounds like MS is out of ideas and is looking for excuses. These are designed to order +320 pitches for the Indian batsmen. If the batsmen cannot reach 320 they have failed. Blame the bowlers when you can't defend 320. It's only going to get more difficult abroad on pitches offering even contest between bat and ball.

  • D.Nagarajan on October 22, 2013, 9:15 GMT

    In the early 80's it was always two white balls, the ODI's were absolutely thrilling in Australia and a very even contest between bat and ball. Total of 200-220 was a very good total to defend. The 1992 world cup was so good so was India's 1985 WCC win (spinners did well in these tournaments), there were no 350/400 scores then ,all roles in the game had a chance. So its nonsensical to say spin will go out of the game, we should think about increasing boundary sizes and welcome back fast bowling in ODI.

  • on October 22, 2013, 9:13 GMT

    what really humors me is tht first of all indian pitches are flat as a cement pitch can b infact id say thy r even flatter.....so how u ppl expect ur bowlers to perform on such tracks.....ppl r complaining about this new rule hurting spin bowling....well buddies if the pitch wod have been a sporting wicket (which will never b coz india cant play on such tracks) the story wod have been totally different......for all those ppl who think spin bowling is of the past remember pakistan has probably the most pathetic bating lineup of the test playin nations but thy still beat the best teams just wid thr bowling attack.....im sure this new feild restriction rule is gonna b scratched soon coz "DHONI" dosent like it....(pakistan fan)

  • Yasir.Hafeez on October 22, 2013, 9:07 GMT

    We may seem a reversal of the 4 fielders rule soon since Dhoni is not pleased with it. The ICC seems to be working on the whims of BCCI these days.

  • Rajnal on October 22, 2013, 8:57 GMT

    When ball is flying over ropes more often will it matter on number of fielders ? Also, I hear contradicting statements, Openers say its difficult to score with two new balls at either end, Dhoni says its difficult to contain runs with field restrictions .

  • CricSriLanka on October 22, 2013, 8:44 GMT

    @ satzzz:

    Cool off man... Here in SL, we know and realize that Ind PRESENTLY is doing better than us and against us. We know that! What my comment was a reply to the comment made by "Posted by on (October 22, 2013, 4:26 GMT)" which stated that "From the time, the two ball rules have come in, Sri Lanka has completely lost its power as a ODI team". To this we don't agree. And the stats which i gave is the performance of SL in 2013 and not a comparison or making a comparison of Ind cricket and SL cricket.

    But agree with you on your last para...

  • on October 22, 2013, 8:44 GMT

    Honestly, is it too gutsy a call to bring in a Pravin Tambe? Let's see if that Champions League form makes the jump to proper ODI. And unlike the current lot of bowlers, Tambe bowls to his field.

  • black_bird on October 22, 2013, 8:24 GMT

    It is not the end of the world just because india lost a very close match. A team can't win all matches.Be patient. India will show at next match. i think any score is easy, if india bats at 2nd innings.

  • on October 22, 2013, 8:13 GMT

    It's sad to hear Dhoni complaining about reduction of fielders since it affects both teams. His focus should be on the quality of his bowlers and his captaincy.

  • on October 22, 2013, 8:12 GMT

    Let us see if Dhoni has the guts to leave out Ishant,Vinay and Ashwin in lieu of Unadkat ,Shami, Mishra for the 4 th ODI and make the scores 2-2.Dhoni cannot imagine to play any match without ishant & Ashwin.,at the cost of India being on the loosing side.

  • jimbond on October 22, 2013, 8:10 GMT

    Just as there is a plan for who will be probably batting during each of the 50 overs, there has to be a plan for bowling as well. In India Bhubanewsar Kumar, Praveen Kumar and Irfan Pathan are quite effective in the initial overs. In case none of these three are available, the team struggles to take wickets The spinners do a good holding job during the middle overs. They end up struggling during the late overs. India needs at least two pace options for the death overs. Vinay Kumar (though otherwise an average bowler) is not so easy to hit at the end. Even Praveen Kumar at least tries to think through his overs. Another left-field option is Joginder sharma- who is deceptive because of his changing length and changing pace. Another good option is Siddharth Trivedi though he has been foolishly suspended for an year. Even Balaji is better than Ishant.

  • satzzz on October 22, 2013, 7:21 GMT

    @CricSriLanka

    when people can bash the number 1 ranked Indian team, in all norms people can criticize about any team on that matter. Since u brought the stats into the discussion PFB your stats against India.

    SL ranked 4th whereas India topping the world. Champs trophy - you lost the semis against India and we won the trophy. We won the tri series in WI where you were the losing finalist. This OZ series is yet to get over now. So, sit, relax, enjoy the tourney and come back after 7 ODIs.

    The point you have to understand is all OUR Asian teams(Including your SL and my India) are suffering with these 2 new balls strategy, add 5 fielders inside the circle to that. This is weakening our spin department which is primary for us. And not to forget the 2 bouncers per over. We should definitely prove our point to ICC and remove this new tailor made rule for english and oz conditions soon.

  • ladycricfan on October 22, 2013, 7:10 GMT

    So far the pitches suited australian bowlers better than indians and indian batters won the matches for them. Ranchi and the rest of the matches will be played in typical indian spin friendly matches. India will win the series 4-3 or 5-2.

  • on October 22, 2013, 7:09 GMT

    Firstly, Virat Kohli is a wrong choice as a bowling option. He is certainly not a Sourav Ganguly as a bowler who in his hey days was more than handy as the fifth bowler (To be precise he had 100 ODI wickets form his medium pace). Secondly, why is this scrutiny being made on Dhoni's captaincy?. If he fails to cope up with the new rule he certainly will fade out very soon and if he can find out a new winning formula - like he has been doing over the years - he will come out victorious. There is really nothing to worry about with even mediocre bowlers in the team. We have a very very strong batting line up to make it up for it.

  • my_comments on October 22, 2013, 6:50 GMT

    Restricting runs to take wickets was a tactic used even by Ranathunga when he had only murali and vaas as wicket taking bowlers. He used aravinda, jayasuriya and dharmasena for good effect to restrict runs and bowl overs quickly creating panic in the batting team. Dhoni should use more of raina and yuvi in Ind than kholi. and IND should not/cannot have 2 spinners and raina and yuvi in the next world cup in AUS/NZ they will want a medium pace all-rounder like irfan in there tram.

  • CricSriLanka on October 22, 2013, 6:38 GMT

    @Posted by on (October 22, 2013, 4:26 GMT): How can you say that SL has completely lost its power as a ODI team. They are ranked 4th in ODI ranking with same rating of England. In 2013 SL has drawn a series against Aus in Aus (which we could have won if not for umpires & match referee called off one match just after a small drizzle when we were on top). Won against SA (yes it was in SL but 4-1 not like Ind who have lost 2 up to now in this series in Ind). Came to Semis in Champions Trophy and Runners-up in tri-series in WI. So we have been in the game.

    Yes most of SL fan agrees that Ind has a strong batting line-up with a relativley weak bowling unit. But you cant be degrading other team and boasting around.

  • MAYURESHmagic on October 22, 2013, 6:28 GMT

    Punishments must be there, criteria must be there for selection. Bowler with limited skills is never worthy for international cricket. Stamina and height matters if skills are there between players. Umesh, Unadkat, Shami all can bowl bouncers and yorkers.

  • UchihaItachi on October 22, 2013, 6:23 GMT

    You need to understand that tactics work only if bowlers and batsmen can stick to the plan. Dhoni has obvioulsy done a lot and we need to appreciate him for that and also support him when he is failing which becomes our duty as citizens of India. If we support him only when he performs, then why support at all? its not fair to criticize when he is unable to reap results. THIS NEW RULE OF TWO BALLS WAS INTRODUCED MAINLY TO STOP INDIANS FROM TAKING CONTROL WITH SPIN BOWLING! thats how the law has always been. Two bouncers an over-so that indians dont bat properly, two new balls-so that indians do not bowl spin well. Just tactics so that indians dont do well and we are doing quite well even with such rules. Also, please try to understand that such pitches have intentionally made less spin friendly so that we do well in australia where the pitches would be similar. We need to give them some time and credit. Come on guys/girls tehy are after all playing for our country! Show some respect!

  • on October 22, 2013, 6:12 GMT

    No need of criticising indian batting and captaincy or field restrictin. The main problem is lack of quality bowlers both in pace and spin department. Also Virat Kohli should not be used as a bowler even for a single over as he has never shown any talent in bowling so far.

  • satzzz on October 22, 2013, 5:44 GMT

    The change in rule to use 2 new balls is having a great impact on Indian team. I can even call it as Asian team. I am sure the 48th over of Ishant wouldn't have been the same had it been just 1 ball for entire 50 overs. Critics have now forgotten a beautiful art of reverse swing in ODIs. Especially in asian conditions. And how the ball spins when it is old and soft. If there was any hint of reverse that night, Ishant would have been atleast asked by someone to bowl full to take the full advantage. Adding to this, the extra fielder inside the circle is causing problem for the captain. Hope ICC accepts the request from Asian teams of using only 1 ball for an ODI. And i am not able to understand why people don't value spin bowling. It is also a wonderful art of cricket from its early years. A batsman will be a complete player only when he is able to play both pace and spin bowling well. Thats how Tendulkars and Laras were ruling the game across the globe.

  • crikcinfo on October 22, 2013, 5:28 GMT

    I'm not sure reduction of fielders from 5 to 4 is the nagging issue for India now, its the bowlers. Ishant Sharma conceded 4 sixes in the 48th over and Vinay Kumar ended the match with a full toss which was hit for a six which any number of fielders wouldn't be able to prevent. What we need is bowlers who don't lost their mind once they are hit for a six.

  • chica on October 22, 2013, 5:10 GMT

    You are calling dhoni a not good captain,, comeone that guy has got you a T 20 world cup, odi world cup , champions trophy , world no1 test ranking.A feat which no one and I repeat no one has achieved. He has gathered all this with the same tactics and he is really good about.The same people who are derogatory about him will start eulogizing him when he is gonna add something else in his credentials.The problem which the article states is just as there is a serious dearth of good bowlers in India . No one has the capability to run through the batting line up and I also include Zaheer in this because he may contain and get wickets at important times but cannot run through the line as a Mcgrath , lee or steyn can do. and bhajji supporters go check his odi records before backing him, he is ridiculous and open to travesty and ridicule.

  • Vish213 on October 22, 2013, 5:08 GMT

    The problem with Indian team is inconsistency. It starts with Rohit Sharm. He is not consistent at the top, neither is Dhawan. Dhawan can be excused on the basis he is a 'Sehwag' type player. But Rahane instead of Rohit is must. The reason India used to win matches was because Sachin, Gambhir were reliable. They at least scored 50s and provided platform for Yuvi, Raina and Dhoni to explode. But now Raina and Yuvi are nowhere good enough in consolidation once that reliable top order is gone. Bowling department has shifted from 'core bowlers' to 'can bat a little, can bowl a little' bowlers, who obviously bowl loose deliveries and consider 15-20 extra runs per head.

  • on October 22, 2013, 4:32 GMT

    I believe Dhoni is the best batsman in the world who has taken advantage of the 4 fielders rule, although it has an inverse impact with the poor bowling line up.

  • himanshu.team on October 22, 2013, 4:30 GMT

    Things in the article about field restrictions are a bit over-stated. If it is doing anything, it is ensuring that almost every match sees a 300+ score if not two. Dhoni would not complain about that a lot given India's batting prowess. He is highlighting this issue to prevent directly criticizing his own bowlers publicly. The bowlers seriously lack discipline and given their limited skills they are as good as dead without discipline. He likes Ashwin because despite having bad-day or tour, which every cricketer has, he can bounce back. Obviously, if he does not bounce back soon he too will see the door. Problem is more with Ishant and lack of options to chose from. Vinay, Umesh and Shami etc. have not proved out to be any better. Irfan is out of form and fitness. Only hope at present is Unadkat. Otherwise batsmen will have to score 300+ every time to give India a chance. At times even that may not be enough.

  • on October 22, 2013, 4:26 GMT

    Dhoni has his beliefs and he has been very successful with that. So we have to back Dhoni. Sometimes, some things does seem confusing to us. But then he has his plan worked out. Right, that the rules are same for all the team, but then they have lost their positions. From the time, the two ball rules have come in, Sri Lanka has completely lost its power as a ODI team. South Africa has also dropped out majorly. Its now back to India and Australia. So lets keep our trust on Dhoni. When time comes, he makes changes, and no one can convince him on that.

  • on October 22, 2013, 4:25 GMT

    What Dhoni does not mention and Purohit missed in his column is emphasized on Ian Chappell's recent article on Cricinfo - http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/680537.html. Adding to these reasons, India's batting paradises for ODIs are the biggest issue. Likes of Bhuvaneshwar Kumar could make huge impact in Champion's Trophy in England because the pitches afforded something to bowlers. So what they were low scoring games? They were more enthralling and even breathtaking sometimes - basically because it was good duel between bat and bowl with equal chances for each to win. These pitches in India will not really help the cause of BCCI or the game if this trend of 'batting paradises' continues...

  • on October 22, 2013, 4:22 GMT

    One of the good article with sensible thoughts.. Thanks Abhishek.

  • on October 22, 2013, 3:45 GMT

    Ishant's murder in 48th over is being much talked now a days. All questions on Dhoni's capabilities came after the loosing the Mohali. We must understand that bowling in death over has to - untouchable, out of reach of batsman, using the bowling angle yet avoiding wide, yorker length balls. Ishant himself cannot think on these point, he only stresses on speed & bounce. Both these characters of ball are well known by Australians. Nothing to be panic, after all it is a game. Keeping a balance at challenge time is the key but difficult to execute.

  • AltafPatel on October 22, 2013, 3:34 GMT

    Vinay Kumar getting chance and chance despite extremely poor performance. Ishant also deserve exit. What is meaning of talent found during domestic trophies and India-A team ? Shami Ahmed is not given chance for no reason. When Amit Misra is in excellent form, out form and exposed Jadeja (in both, batting and bowling) must be replaced before the lead go even worse.

  • vipravara on October 22, 2013, 3:24 GMT

    Usage of 2-new balls is a big myth to complain about. Every international team has at least one or even two spinners in the team. So, what is a big deal that India is losing advantage about it? Jadeja- not a great spinner of the ball has been doing OK at the same time. How come Saeed Ajmal is so successful for Pakistan with the same rules of 2-new balls in ODI? So, why can't Ashwin shine at least once in 3 matches as a bowler? All in all, Indian team doesn't have the bowling strength on par with other top cricketing nations. That is just THE fact. If at all, the bowlers get some help from the wicket Indian bowling clicks, then 90% of the times Indian batting fails, as most of them come good on flat tracks only. True, but for these ODI rules, Indian batting wouldn't shine well winning the matches.- A cricket lover from India

  • Bonehead_maz on October 22, 2013, 3:14 GMT

    In April Australian batsmen were rightly terrified by Indian Bowlers. It's not the bowlers that were great or are now terrible. The pitches DO NOT show India's cricket strengths, they show India's cricket's weaknesses ?

  • cricmatters on October 22, 2013, 2:37 GMT

    Problem lies with Team selection not the new rules brought in. When you pick 15 players in the team, all should be given opportunities to prove themselves. We also have to remember that slow and low turning tracks are no longer a mystery for overseas players due to their IPL experience. Selectors should try Rahane, Rayudu and Dinesh Karthik in middle order batting and a proper spinner like Amit Sharma in the squad.

  • on October 22, 2013, 2:21 GMT

    Rohit, Dhawan, Yuvi, Raina, Kohli, Dhoni... Everyone of them have destroyed the bowling attacks like anything. But where does Indian team has this specialist batsmen like Dravid. I would say drop Raina (as he is always good in t20) bring in Pujara and kick start operation Pujara NOW. You have too many hitters and someone like pujara is needed in the team and cant expect Dhoni to do that saviour innings always. Remove Ashwin Vinay and bring Zak and Mishra. This would be awesome. My 11 Rohit, Dhawan, Kohli, Pujara, Yuvi, Dhoni, Jadeja, mishra, Bhuvi, Zak and Ishant. With this team i can bet we will retain our WC in 2015. I still feel Ishant is the man who can hit the deck in Aus/NZ conditions. We must start working this way now.

  • on October 22, 2013, 2:19 GMT

    Mainly the smaler grounds killing good cricket. Now a days it is common that a miss-hit can also go for maximum. An excelent effort ball from a pace bowler can go over the boundary through a top edge.cricket is becoming a one dimensional game (only favours batsmen). Substandard pitches in the subcontinent(someone may call it a 'batting beauty' wicket) make things worse.It is hightime to make the minimum distance for boundary (I prefer a minimum of 80m) all around. Otherwise the art of bowing will be dead soon.

  • siddhartha87 on October 22, 2013, 1:22 GMT

    Lots of people are bashing Raina while keeping Yuvi in their "XI". Yuvraj is not good enough anymore. On the other hand Raina's recent record is far superior than that of Yuvi

  • on October 22, 2013, 0:46 GMT

    Well, too many roles can distract anybody; WK, captain, batter... Perhaps he erred in bowling Kohli, which he too often does. The rest is hindsight. Unlike what happened at Dacca, the century was potentially a match-winning effort. My problem is rather that he, unlike Bailey, who had even more to grumble about, did at Jaipur, is not giving due credit to the opposition, which prevailed in the end, against so many odds.

  • Jimmers on October 21, 2013, 22:25 GMT

    Rules are the same for all captains in all teams, and even he doesn't seem to mind it so much when he's batting

  • ProdigyA on October 21, 2013, 22:02 GMT

    Dhoni cannot do anything about bowling but he sure can do something by selecting the correct XI without favoritism. Drop ishant and bring in Jaydev.

  • on October 21, 2013, 21:44 GMT

    I do not agree with the point that Dhoni saves runs to the point of taking wickets more so in light of the last game. Everyone is mad at Ishant for giving away 30 runs in the 48th over, but nobody has thought this one as a glitch in Dhoni's strategy. A slow pitch with relatively longer boundaries, low order Australian (not Pak or SL) batsmen on the crease and the required run rate of 12/over - for me all these say that it is a perfect time to get your slowest bowlers. Make the batsmen hit the ball even a slight miscue is good enough. Yuvraj or Raina would have been ideal for the situation. But Dhoni's throws the ball to a fast bowler. I fail to comprehend the plan. I agree with the comments around our relatively poor death over bowling but on this situation, I think Dhoni missed a trick or more so a fatal blunder from a brilliant captain. I was shocked when the ball was thrown to Ishant Sharma but O well this aftermath now. Hope we do well in the remaining matches. Go Blue Bleed Blue!!

  • welcome11 on October 21, 2013, 20:44 GMT

    Dhoni is very Adamant and keeps continuing with players he believe will deliver. Likes of Ishant, Raina Ashwin and Rohit. However, players like Rahane, Mishra Karthik and many others get very limited opportunities. Why everybody is lamenting about no strike bowler. India had Zak and Yuvi for the world cup after that India has lost their way. They let go of bhajji almost permanently but keep giving likes of Ashwin chances after chances. Dhoni is great leader but needs a reality check. Every time batting heroics is not going to salvage games he needs consistent bowlers like bhuvi to succeed. I just wish that Dhoni reads some of the comments but when u pay guy too much he doesnt bother about trifling comments like this. I know feels good to get the frustration out!!!!

  • Nampally on October 21, 2013, 20:40 GMT

    New ODI rules apply to all the Teams & they try to deal with them by adjusting their team content. Dhoni needs to focus on 5 bowlers who can each bowl 10 overs at an economical rate + take wkts. The Indian Selectors need a Squad with such content. India's focus on strong batting with a hope that it will mask its weak bowling is unacceptable. Even the batting does not have a sheet anchor at #4 - like Pujara. Raina, Yuvraj & Dhoni are all strong finishers who can fail collectively. So this masking theory is not executed to perfection. Alternative is to strengthen the bowling by eliminating those bowlers leaking out runs. Ishant & Vinay are like cracked record which always gives the same sound! Pandey, Unadkat, Kulkarni, Mohit Sharma amongst youngsters + Yadev, ZAK & Pradeep Kumar amongst experienced ones are ALL better economical alternatives to Ishant & Vinay. Get specialist spinners like Mishra in the XI to take wkts. India/Dhoni: Corrective Action produce success not Excuses. ACT NOW!

  • on October 21, 2013, 20:33 GMT

    M.S.Dhoni,can start bowling and become an allrounder bowler,by handing over gloves to Karthik/Rayudu or P.Patel.

  • gyanesh.dan on October 21, 2013, 19:14 GMT

    I think Ishant will learn a BIG Lesson from his mistake... and hope his performance will become more better in coming matches.. he should get one chance... :)

  • on October 21, 2013, 19:00 GMT

    Dhoni has not made an effort to revitalize the bowling attack AT ALL during his stint as captain!! All he seems to be doing is converting batsmen to part time bowlers. Also, the T20 version of containing runs(as mentioned in the article) does not work all that well in ODIs, so he better stop using the same again and again. Also, as BigIndianFan mentioned, he should have owned up to the defeat, instead of lamenting about it. And I implore fans to please distinguish between Dhoni as a batsman and Dhoni as a captain, they're two different things, he might excel in batting but his captaincy isn't that great!

  • raulraj on October 21, 2013, 18:39 GMT

    Why not select ..umesh, Irfan, Zak , Bhuvi and Nayar...with ishant, Ishwar pandey and Mohit sharma as back up...Jadeja yuvi and Raina can do the spinners roles as Mishra and Ashwin as back spinners...In order to win 2015 world cup India needs atleast one spin allrounder and 2 Medium pace allrounders....My 15 for World cup 2015: 1)Dhawan 2)Rohit 3)Kohli 4) Yuvraj 5)Dhoni 6) Jadeja 7) Irfan 8) Nayar 9)Bhuvi 10) Umesh 11)Zak 12) Rahane 13) Raina 14) Rayudu 15) Mishra 16)D Karthik 17)Ashwin 18)Ishant 19)Aaron 20) R Binny. India need 3-4 Medium or Fast(rare in india)bowling allrounders :) Cricinfo Please publish

  • cnksnk on October 21, 2013, 18:23 GMT

    Folks, I do not think Dhoni is complaining. IT is evident that even in the best of times India had a mediocre bowling line up which has become worse with Zak out of action and Ashwin loosing is way. He is just struggling with what is unarguably the worst bowling attack amongst all cricket playing countries. Selectors do not seem to be making his life easy by having retained the same team .

  • on October 21, 2013, 18:16 GMT

    I think india should drop ashwin. he has been trying too much take the ball away from the right hand batmen by bowling carrom ball and arm ball from aaround. if that is what he tries to do, then we can use amit mishra who does that even better than ashwin

  • KarlCorrea on October 21, 2013, 18:12 GMT

    Earn your wicket: It will be tough to compare cricket over the next few years to what has been done and achieved over the past few decades. With the advent of the new rules, it's the survival of the fittest and the quickest to adapt. Too long has Dhoni gone with stifling runs to get wickets; that will not work anymore. He has made do with a mediocre bunch of bowlers and made them look good or satisfactory by shrewd captaincy. Questions like; Do our bowlers practice bowling yorkers? were never asked before as most of the times in the past couple of years we have come unscathed in the ODIs. But as a fast bowler I couldn't love anything more than firing yorkers in at the batsman's toes. That doesn't seem to be the case with the Indian bowlers. They bank on a batsman doing something wrong rather than earning a wicket themselves. I'm sure anyone would be happier to see a yorker go wrong than see a length/short ball be sent into the stands. FYI..even a low full toss is tough to get away.

  • on October 21, 2013, 17:59 GMT

    This problem is not a new one to Indian cricket. When has Indian team ever had a good bowling unit? Its always been one good bowler & the rest filling in. Infact there was a phase where India didnt even have a 5th bowler. Now we have 5 regular bowlers. Ashwin needs to bowl off spin, Vinay Kumar needs to land the ball, Ishant Sharma should be left out. Mohammed Shami did so well & has been left out for no reason. He should be groomed. And somebody please get Praveen Kumar & Umesh Yadav fit!

  • BigINDFan on October 21, 2013, 17:56 GMT

    Yes Dhoni never had wicket or break-through bowlers but he is defensive there is no doubt about it. I am not in favor or admiring him for his ability to stay cool or sympathizing that he does not have strong bowlers. He is a percentage captain who cannot inspire his bowlers becoz he picks the wrong bowlers. There is lot of talent as shown in IPL, why not work with the coach and selectors to groom bowlers and give them chances. Give 1 debut for each match in this meaning less series and you have tried 7 new comers at the international level. Or take 2-3 newbies and let them play this series. Bench Ashwin, Vinay and Ishant. They are useless at this moment.

    Maybe Dhoni should sit out and give Kohli the captaincy for this series, since Kohli seems more hungry to win and not come up with lot of excuses.

    Really, if Faulkner or McKay can bowl without leaking runs why cannot Ind bowlers. Ishant is bad at any level in ODIs. Dhoni is worse for giving him a long run.

  • AltafPatel on October 21, 2013, 17:40 GMT

    Does Dhoni means this rule doesn't affect other teams !?!?

  • on October 21, 2013, 17:31 GMT

    I don't find Dhoni is too good for the way mentioned in the article. Pakistan has the worst batting line up, still they face Dale Steyn. England won in India when everything were made against them-pitch(Asked by Dhoni), umpiring decisions (Dhoni had nothing to do with it, but enjoyed a lot through that). If our Bowling line up is poor, why don't try others like Unadkat, Shami Ahmed? Or why doesn't he use Jaddu in the depth. Bowling is a concern for many years, but what has he done for that? And by this 4 fielder rule, Indian Batsmen enjoy a lot, even this Dhoni. Luck always favours him, mainly in the times he badly wants(Misbah ul haq wicket in T20 WC, Misbah's poor innings in WC2011 Semis, Morgan's Wicket in Champions Trophy). He is a good captain, but the points mentioned in the article are never acceptable.

  • on October 21, 2013, 17:22 GMT

    Ishant is expensive, but is most likely among the Indian pacemen to take wickets. This is why Dhoni gave him the ball in the 48th over. The same strategy had worked in the Champions' Trophy final. I guess you win some and lose some..

  • on October 21, 2013, 17:19 GMT

    hope zak & umesh return soon. They are strike bowlers and thats what India need at this time. Bhuvi, Zak & Umesh Yadav will be a good seam bowling attack. Ashwin needs to be rested for a while and Jadeja & Mishra along with Yuvraj should take up the spin bowling responsibitltes. Unadkat & Shami are good backup options and should do well in case injuries plague the main bowlers..hopefully India find the right combination by 2014..:)

  • strikeforce2003 on October 21, 2013, 16:57 GMT

    Rules apply go both teams..adapting to play within them is the key. Aa for this entralling Aussie vs India series, there seems to be a greater variety in this Aussie squad, they always try to experiment with their depth of bowling and hard hitting batsmen. That Cortney-Nile is being made to wait at the players pavilion, shows that. Bailey is a revelation as both batsman and captain. I see a 5-2 win by the Oz's in thus series.

  • DD_f0rever on October 21, 2013, 16:49 GMT

    Agreed. Dhoni has never had quality bowlers. Question arises "The why is he so successful Captain ? " Simple - He has the knack of extracting the maximum from whatever resources (players) he has got. And a team with average bowlers can be led only by a Cool man who has got good managerial skills...this is DHONI for you. No wonder people call him "Captain COOL".

    Truth is Bowlers like Ashwin, Jadeja and even Yuvi (Remember his WC 2011 performance with the ball?) perform well under MSD because he knws how to utilize them. During 2011 WC, Yuvi even said that it was MSD who told him what line to bowl according to the pitch.

    Just imagine if Dhoni had one .....just ONE bowler like Steyn, Anderson or Morkel, how easy it would have become for him to win matches which he lost due to extremely poor bowling e.g. being last match.

    However, we r plying on flat tracks..so Im sure in WC 2015 our seamers will perform better like they did on Fast n Bouncy pitches of Eng is CT.Hope ZaK returns soon:)

  • Raki99 on October 21, 2013, 16:43 GMT

    India Has a good team, just one loss due to one over dosen't chnage anything, this is the same team that won the champions trophy and won a tournament in WI. One over lost us a game nothing to worry about. The one thing which i am worried is the growth of our fast bowlers. Ishant is the same is the same guy who keeps repeating the same mistakes again and again. I don't know how vinay kumar can even get into the team he must be having a big jack or something. this two guys are the only worries. ashwin is a smart bolwer and would come back fine.

  • on October 21, 2013, 16:37 GMT

    I have been following high lights in Cricket. It confirms my belief, all the matches played in internationals are fixed, this is just to enhance revenue

  • vicky_nadar on October 21, 2013, 16:37 GMT

    Indian bowlerz are letting it go. Dhoni is also doing a mistake of keeping ishant in playing eleven. What happened in champions trophy final with ishant's over was by luck not by skills, keeping umesh yadav aside and giving ishant sharma a ball is a very strange decision by the captain dhoni. Team india will suffer because of their bowling attack. Keep one think in mind all the indian fans that team India does not have the capability to pick twenty wickets in a test match. That means the future of indian team for test matches is not looking bright.

  • shakersid on October 21, 2013, 16:29 GMT

    Well, the good thing is that we have found this issue beforehand and not during the world cup. At least MS and co can come up with a startegy by then.

  • Blade-Runner on October 21, 2013, 16:12 GMT

    C'mon, lets be honest here. India is the team least affected by these new rules. In fact they have gained a lot of things outta these new rules. Their bowling attack is toothless. So it really doesn't matter how many fielders are outside the circle, opposition batsmen can easily score off 'em. And the 2 new ball rule hasn't affected Indian bowlers coz there are no Indian bowlers who can do reverse swing like Malinga, Anderson or Broad. On the other hand, Indian batsmen have got a "risk-free" free pass for going at quality opposition bowlers who have lost their venom due to these new rules. So I don't think that Dhoni's got much to complain about here.

    And he should realize that he can't have everything in his way. India make flat tracks for their batsmen n opposition batmen also score heavily. India make shorter boundaries for their batsmen n opposition batsmen also hit sixes. So its a two-way street. :) The only solution here is to acquire quality bowlers.

  • on October 21, 2013, 16:12 GMT

    There is nothing positive about the fielder rule change in ODIs. I sometimes wonder if the rules are made by cricketers or TV execs? I know the Indian fans would have enjoyed the win in Jaipur, but as a impartial viewer I hated the cricket on display. Its not only 1 fielder that the bowlers have lost, its any sense of unpredictability. These days the field automatically lets the batsman know where the ball is going to be. Disgusting rules made to please TV companies that think all cricket fans love to watch 4s and 6s. 4s and 6s may attract the fan who has a passing interest in the game, but will drive so many real cricket fans away.

  • cricketfanofthe80s on October 21, 2013, 15:57 GMT

    I have always failed to understand the discrepancies in the size of the boundaries in the game of cricket. The strangeness comes from the fact that the pitch dimensions, the 30 yard circle, stump width have remained the same for several decades, yet the size of the boundaries have been shrinking. I understand that ICC wants to add more excitement to the game but the truth is I am not excited about sixes and fours anymore. Miss-timed pulls, top-edges cross the boundary line, what is the point of allowing two bouncers? It is not that easy to get in an accurate bouncer either. The game is decided based on which team has more power hitters and a deep batting line-up. ICC, has certainly de-valued the sixes and fours, I was born in the 80's and the sixes were a rare commodity and were viewed with awe but now it's part and parcel of any one-day game. Make the boundaries bigger, let the batsmen earn their runs and not just muscle through, when they are tired they will make mistakes too…..

  • santoshkl on October 21, 2013, 15:57 GMT

    once 'The sultan of swing' wasim akram said ishant still dono how to bowl yorkers. ishant you proved its true . his strength was his pace . at 130-135 kmph if there isnt any swing then u have to pay the price for it. am from chennai i love ashwin playing for the nation but now he is going through a tough phase . too many variations(carrom ball,pause delivery etc) hurting him as well as the team and i see him bowling at 90kmph often thats not fair he needs to bowl slower give some flight and he needs the bowl on the off stump and middle & off line from over the wicket and make the batsman drive but he bowls leg stump line and wides while trying carrom ball. so its better to give him a break and bring back amit mishra who is in fine form . and replace ishant with shami

  • on October 21, 2013, 15:46 GMT

    Dhoni has forgotten that field restrictions affect both teams equally. The new rule of 4 outfielders will obviously increase totals. Captains have to counter that by having good set of outfielders to cut-off boundaries and infielders who will dive around and prevent balls going to the outfield. Although Aussies are less experienced they bat deep up to No. 8 and their batsmen have excellent stats in terms of averages and run rates. Then in spite of their weakness in spin department they have a quality pace attack who could use the short ball to good effect. So they are the better team overall but that does not really matter as the team which perform well on a given day will be the winner. The rules are changed by the cricket committee. BCCI should not be allowed to manipulate that and make a mess of it as in the case of DRS. DRS is not perfect but no system is perfect and it is utter stupidity to expect 100% correct decisions using DRS.

  • Nampally on October 21, 2013, 15:45 GMT

    I agree with Dhoni's approach of restricting runs to take wickets rather than taking wkt. to restrict runs- perfect on flat Indian pitches. However Dhoni's tactics & actions on field defies his own Logic by using the most expensive & erratic bowlers to restrict the runs! In ODI's using 2 New balls, 3 Economical Pace bowlers are Essential. Both Ishant & Vinay are any thing but economical, why include them in XI? Also why is Kohli (Non Bowler) asked to bowl an over, leaking 18 runs? When Ashwin is erratic, do not ignore Raina as an off spinner. So Dhoni is beating his own logic via his irrational use of bowlers. From the rest B.Kumar & Jadeja are the 2 best bowlers. India urgently needs 2 seamers from Unadkat, ZAK, Kulkarni, Mohit Sharma & Shukla, instead of more of the same bowlers. Also Dhoni needs to use Mishra to exploit OZ weakness vs. spin. If India is serious about winning, Dhoni needs to change his bowlers from Ishant, Vinay & Kohli to New ones + Exploit the Aussie Weakness too!

  • inswing on October 21, 2013, 15:44 GMT

    India and Pak dominated hockey for a long time. Then they changed the rules to make it an astroturf surface. That meant more importance of power and speed, as opposed to skill. India/Pak haven't been near the top since. This ODI rule change is much more subtle, but it is meant to harm teams with spinners, which is basically India, and tilt the balance in favor of pace. The effect is smaller than the surface change in hockey, but it is in the same direction. It is also anti-bowler in general, and India should oppose it. It is hard to feel sorry for Dhoni when he refuses to drop bowlers as bad as Ishant, but this issue is bigger than Dhoni.

  • on October 21, 2013, 15:42 GMT

    to all the people's who are saying dhoni is making an excuse or this is late to say this or the rules are same for every one ...do you people even watch post match presentation ceremonies ? dhoni has been saying this for quite a long time even when india was at winning end. you people dont know anything but just for the sake you keep on posting such comments. when nehra and dinda were in team..dhoni showed his dislike towards these rules. not only dhoni ..but even commentators have been saying this loud n clear in each n every game. even a miss timed shot fetches a boundary.

  • on October 21, 2013, 15:42 GMT

    @Abhishek - Take a bow, thank you for putting in some really terrific words for what has always been apparently visible to a naked eye yet never analyzed by anyone with as deep insight as this article shows...

  • Unmesh_cric on October 21, 2013, 15:36 GMT

    "He does not have a Mitchell Johnson who can run through a line-up with extreme pace and bounce. " I disagree! What about Umesh Yadav? I know he is a young fellow and is a bit inconsistent. But Mitchell Johnson is not a consistent bowler either. Johnson has one good series followed by a bad one. What Umesh Yadav needs is consistent backing from the captain and selectors, and I am sure he will turn out to be a very good pace bowler for India. The truth is that Dhoni does not like "fast" bowlers in his team. He likes medium pace bowlers who bowl line-and-length. There is no clarity about why Umesh is not selected in this series. He was injured some time back. But I believe he is playing domestic cricket. Why keep a promising fast bowler out of the team and then complain about not having a fast bowler?

  • on October 21, 2013, 15:28 GMT

    Guys..Dont blame Dhoni anymore...everybody Admits that he is the best captain in the world now. Every team has quality Bowlers, but till now indian team didn't have a bowler like kapil dev. With this weak bowling team, he succeeded three world cups, due to his tactics only. No team can guess his next move, that fetched victory to us. sometimes it may fail also that what we saw day before. That is cricket and it happens to every team.

    So Until we get a good bowlers, Maximum try to win the toss, bowl first and entertain the indian fans with batting. All the best to indian team..

  • on October 21, 2013, 15:27 GMT

    I think Ishant should be dropped from the starting line up tomorrow. Alternately the left arm seam bowling of Jaydev Unadkat may be better. His away swing and incoming deliveries from round the wicket may prevent Finch from destroying the attack in the initial overs

  • on October 21, 2013, 15:26 GMT

    Well I am a lil surprised I must say basically India was never a good fielding unit and never had bowler would threaten any batting line up in the world.Dhoni for a quite some time had the insurance of his bowlers bowling those slow balls back of the hand deliveries which the batsmen didnt pick and he was able to stem run flow now that has become a open secret which everybody knows.As the author said Dhoni's approach was never attacking he would sit back for the batsmen to commit a error it did work as long as his bowlers were using slow ball and Ashwin was the mystery spinner he was now both are thing of past.So neither their is a stem of run flow nor wickets.A simple chop and replace approach wont work as we dont have either pace or variety or spin which can take wickets.As far as new rule goes India prepared batting tracks to favor them and each time Aus scored more than 300 in each innings whether you 4 or 5 or even 11 fielders wont matter as the ball goes out of the park always

  • Wannabekenobi on October 21, 2013, 15:21 GMT

    This is absolute nonsense, the entire game of ODI cricket now revolves around BCCI and India's batting strength. The grounds are smaller so more Indians can clear the field, the less fielders in the outfield is better for India's batting strength. 2 new balls at either end is also to India's benefit since its easier to hit the harder ball in the end overs when they have a specialist batsmen all the way down to R. Jadeja and Ashwin is no mug either. DRS is also out as well thanks again to India and BCCI which was the only hope for a fielding time, but its stupid how the Indian batsmen want a replay of a catch that was taken, that is also considered a review. Shame, their crowds dont want cricket to win, they just want India to win and runs to be scored. Cricket should be the ultimate winner. The pitches for cricket in india is unbelievable 800 plus runs in an ODI game is just not cricket mate, if not its a pitch that turns square in the first innings with a new ball! Thanks BCCI!

  • sharidas on October 21, 2013, 15:19 GMT

    Under the current circumstances one has to think out of the box. Move away from the conventional field placements, use quick fielders to cover more ground, bring in specialist bowlers into the team who vary their bowling at the death. Just a thought........considering the situation at hand.

  • on October 21, 2013, 15:17 GMT

    the major difference b/w last years team and the present team is absence of zaheer khan. bring him back and surely problems will be solved.

  • on October 21, 2013, 15:05 GMT

    The BCCI has been playing all kinds of unruly and idiotic powergames. Thing they could do with using their power for something useful. The 2 new balls have taken away reverse swing and whatever remained of attacking spin bowling in ODIs. The 4 fielders rule at least provides for some sustained big hitting that is thought to be needed in ODI cricket. So will the BCCI use its power to end this 2 new ball rule? Can't expect them to use their power for anything remotely useful though!.

  • ssenthil on October 21, 2013, 14:55 GMT

    I think having only 4 fielders outside doesn't make any sense same as picking half good bowlers like Vinay, Ishant. The problem with Ashwin is he is started bowling leg spin from around the wicket due to all left handers in Aussies side except Huges. But he need to bowl to his strength which is off-spin and he shouldn't go around the wicket straightaway. But flighting a ball became crime in limited overs cricket with only 4 fielders outside and he also bowls a short ball while trying to bowl the leg spin or the carrom ball. I believe earlier he had so much control over the carrom ball then now.

  • IndCricFan2013 on October 21, 2013, 14:42 GMT

    Defensive is fine. MSD backing the bowlers is fine. The problem is that he might be thinking, bringing in new bowlers might go for runs as well. I think India might need to get in more bowlers to try out. Ishant and Ashwin could be given a break. Jadeja is on and off with both bat and ball. May be some one else for few matches would not hurt. Between 7 to 11, 5 slots with 1 allrounder and 4 bowling slots, Keep the Kumar's and bring in one new pace and one new spinner in. 5th slot should be rotated between ashwin and Jadeja.

  • on October 21, 2013, 14:38 GMT

    two changes require for next game.. Don't trust tooooooo much on Ashwin.. Since he join cricket you always trust on him because he is CSK team member or any other reason. India gave enough chance to Ishant Sharma.. If you check their stats in last few games then they have to struggle for getting wickets. Amit mistra is in good form so replace Ashwin.. Please call zaheer instead of Ishant. Two strong bowler Bhuvi and Zaheer.. you can use third pace bowler vinay, jaydev, umesh.. Please please stop giving chance to ashwin and ishant..

  • Manowara on October 21, 2013, 14:35 GMT

    Doni the man of wrong excuses. Why cant he see the change in fielding rules apply to both teams. How did India scored 303 innings total against Australia early in this match. 4 of his front line batsmen above Doni (Sharma, Dhawan, Rina and Yueraj) scored 36 runs together, had they scored another 25 runs together to make the total 328. Australia would not have gone past 322 runs, even if Falkner hit 18 in last 3 balls. This was front line batting failure. I do not think there is any thing left in Ishan Sharma to do in IOD format either. But Doni giving the wrong excuse as if it was applied just after Indian innings. BCCI would take steps to change the new fielding rules any way just like how they did to 'decision revive system' Immediately after it went against 3 Indian Batsman in an innings. If it was the other way round nothing would happen and no body talks.

  • premendrasinghal on October 21, 2013, 14:35 GMT

    I think India must play with 2 pacers and 3 spinners thats the best combination to play with in India. Although the new rules are not permitting that. They may go for runs but they will definitely take wickets. Dhoni should try Amit Mishra in place of Ishant.

  • 71-50ODIs12-9Tests on October 21, 2013, 14:31 GMT

    Dhoni why u always make New rules excuse? Simple is that India's bowling is below average & pathetic!!!!!!!!!!

  • VIJAYBALAN on October 21, 2013, 14:18 GMT

    hi due to IPL foreigners knows our pitch very well so

  • TheProfPak on October 21, 2013, 14:11 GMT

    Pace is not a solution as some has suggested. India do have likes of Yadav and another lad capable to bowling above 140ks. You need control as well. MJ is the same. On his day, he can rattle any batting line up, but he was also in the team when India chased down 360. India should have selected some faster bowlers as I mention before, if they were to prepare faster and bouncy pitches as WC 15 preps in this series.

    If still they can't find a fast bowler, then come to Pakistan and you can find a quality fast bowler in any club.

  • CricketChat on October 21, 2013, 14:09 GMT

    Dhoni, or for that matter, any captain has one indisputable option, score that many more runs. Bat your opposition out. Granted even that option will have bad days when your bowlers are intent on giving away number of runs in charity.

  • on October 21, 2013, 14:03 GMT

    Time to let Ishant Sharma go. Try the young guys. Ashwin is not doing too good either.He is trying too many variations and is losing his focus. Two changes needed for the next game. Unadkat for Ishant and replace Ashwin.

  • on October 21, 2013, 13:58 GMT

    dhoni!!! you are talking about our fast bowling ,that's not their fault we always produce spin track or batting arena ,so first make some pace friendly pitches like nagpur in past i'm sure let these bowlers play domestic with fast tracks i'm damn sure these all bowlers will take wickets for you .it's not the question of their talent,it's how much encouragement they are getting .how much confidence they can build would be helpful for india in 2015 world cup

  • on October 21, 2013, 13:57 GMT

    Vinay Kumar is far better than what people think. He is no world class bowler but he is one of the best bowlers we have. Although he has given runs he has taken wickets most of them being top order. He is also a top fielder. If India had managed him properly he could have been a prospect like Thisara Perera with all the slogging. He is far better than Ishant Sharma

  • Amar_bw on October 21, 2013, 13:56 GMT

    @BoonBoom - Great idea. I guess BCCI didn't realize this yet. Thanks for pointing this out.

  • on October 21, 2013, 13:52 GMT

    The problem for India has been death bowling. India need to find a good bowler who can contain runs and has 'accuracy'.

  • ravi_hari on October 21, 2013, 13:50 GMT

    Rules are the same for any team. So Dhoni alone commenting on it is definitely an excuse. The game is changing and ICC is working otu options to make it more interesting and competing. If the old rule persisted, India also would not have posted 300+. Captains are forced to bring in either long on/ log off or fineleg.thridman to ensure there are only 4 fielders outside. Which means the game is in favour of the batters. You need to be a very good bowler to control the run flow in the slog overs. If you have large frounds like in Australia you can have spinners operating. But with small grounds in countries like India, you cannot risk having a spinner bowling at the death. If every country feels the same, then I am sure ICC will change the rule and make it more evenly balanced. The fact that bowlers have forgotten the yorker is the reason for such bashing they are facing. If you go back to basics and practise to bowl yorkers you can restrict the batters even during power play.

  • on October 21, 2013, 13:50 GMT

    We have to rate this batting line up of Australia as very strong with depth upto no 9 batsman, where as India has only 7..so no longer is the Indian Team the most Powerful batting line. Also most of the time the top order does harakiri with their batting and makes it tough for the middle order to fight back. Also with Dhoni insisting on Raina at no. 4 , Raina has failed to deliver in this series. One of the most important part of the Champion's League team member has been replaced by Yuvi and who has not justified his inclusion. This only shows that Dhoni does not really keep his opinion about sticking to winning combination, as he should have then not replaced Dinesh Kartick by Yuvi,specially when Dinesh Kartick was beginning to get better at his ODI game. So it is important for him to bring in a replacement for Ishant if Ishant is not doing his part as he has other bowlers who can replace him and at what cost, they may be as bad as Ishant so you cannot lose much.

  • Scrop on October 21, 2013, 13:37 GMT

    Simple India need bowlers how can bowl yorkers at will.

    I feel the potential talent of Ishant is little exaggerated since we see him as the only tall so called 'fast' bowler in India. Also it goes like, we have invested 5 years in him lets push little more to get the best out of him. He seems to have past him prime at 25 itself.

    BK is good but cant be trusted to bowl good yorkers at his pace. Varun Aaron, Umesh are good and so is Dinda. I think 2 out the 3 has to be in the squad all the time as prime bowling options.

  • on October 21, 2013, 13:35 GMT

    @Stup1d, appropriate user name you've chosen. The rules were the same for both teams during Bodyline. But only one side, or more accurately two bowlers of one side, were bowling using "Leg Theory". And it wasn't Australian complaints that got Bodyline banned. It got banned during the following County cricket season when all the sides started using Leg Theory.

  • on October 21, 2013, 13:32 GMT

    MSD and any other Editor should talk about MSD only after trying all the members of the team giving them the chance and knows how to rotate. By just trying the erring Ishant and Vinay in all the matches we cannot support Dhoni. All the team is having this same problem-two new balls, limited fielding at outside during PP's. Its upto the captain to tackle that tactics and knows how to control them. Sorry to say that India is not the best fielding side. Ishant, Vinay, Ashwin, B Kumar are all not very athletic Still I find only Raina, Rohit, Virat and Jadeja are good fielders. Once again its upto the captain where the bowlers will bowl, which batsman is playing and which side is strong he should calculate and set the field. If one batsman hits one four over mid wicket area if there is no fielder MSD immediately ask one fielder to go there then the bowler will bowl now different line once again he is changing the field. This is not the good show from the captain. He has to change.

  • D0ct0r on October 21, 2013, 13:25 GMT

    As i kid born in mid 80's, spin for me in any form of cricket was flighting the ball in the air, making the batsman to lure over it and deceiving him by turn and bounce but with new rules of 2 balls per game and only four fielder outside the ring is making that art of spin bowling disappear. Fast bowlers still have an advantage with the ball staying considerably new for the entire inning be it in subcontinent or outside. Dhoni's concern is not baseless. the amount of favors given to the batsmen would dishearten the bowlers and we would see a mad rush in kids to become batsman. No one wants to stand at the receiving end. Fast bowlers still have an advantage of two bouncers per over but what about spinners? And for Dhoni condition becomes miserable as we dont even have fast bowlers to use those bouncers. His work as a captain is the most difficult in cricket today. he has to live up to the legacy he has created in this cricket obsessed country and win without handy bowlers.

  • Speng on October 21, 2013, 13:24 GMT

    I cry for MSD, for every rubbish, cannon-fodder bowler like Ishant he's got an amazing batsman like Shikhar Dhawan. I don't know what the moaning's about; India's won the last two major ODI tournaments and who really thinks they're not favorites for the next one? If the ICC ever figure out a TV friendly ball that'll last like a test ball so they can go back to one ball per innings, India will pick sides with 3 attacking spinners and the bowling will come back into its own. The inability to produce good fast bowlers in quantity is a problem that India has been unable to solve for ages so it's nothing new.

  • kahvas on October 21, 2013, 13:16 GMT

    What's strange about Dhoni is that not only Indian media, but world media go gaga over him after we win a series. Except the world cup final, I hardly remember when Dhoni has really won a match in pressure situations, especially while chasing. He either plays well in first innings or when he drags a game till the end. First innings are a lil easier, even Jadeja has scored runs, but under pressure, you will have to test your memory. Why would you curtail your batting by bringing in 5 bowlers and then have yuvi and kohli bowl overs. Kohli bowling in the last match was a huge mistake and you dont need to be an expert to know that, plus the risk of injuring your main batsman. If Dhoni did not have the likes of Kohli, Dhawan, yuvi, he cant win anything based on his captaincy. When aussies were choking, that was the time to bring ishant and complete his quota, even an 8th grade kid would go that way.

  • on October 21, 2013, 12:59 GMT

    Talking about quality bowlers ,we have jadeja world's No.1 odi bowler and ashwin still is in world's top ten test bowlers. These things were in Champions league too. I think the rules are type of excuse.

  • siddhartha87 on October 21, 2013, 12:52 GMT

    Bowlers like Vinay Kumar,Aswin,Sharma can't deliver whatever may be the rule.Period.

  • bddhika_harindat on October 21, 2013, 12:48 GMT

    Well, Dhoni is little late to realize that the new rules were tough on the fielding side. Mahela Jayawardena experienced this for the first time and he made it a point, but Dhoni didn't realize it since they were winning games at that point in time. Now, since India have started to lose back to back games, they now say it's tough.

    May be it is now time for S. Srinivasan to get interfere and say "that this very unfair for Indian cricket, so we should change the rules". Dhoni should understad the fact that India's bowling combination is a weaker oneespecially on fast tracks and should focus on that. Let's see how BCCI reacts to this situation. It will be another joke like what they're trying to do with Haroon Lorgat.

  • venkateswarlu84 on October 21, 2013, 12:48 GMT

    When we lose we remember everything :) So funny. Everytime we lose Dhoni will come up with some reason. So clever at press. Read Indian mind.

    I always feel funny when he talks to press or match presentation. There wont be much reality in his words. :)

  • CricketMaan on October 21, 2013, 12:47 GMT

    Lets name a few other options other than BK, VK and Ishant that have played against Aus in ODIs, Md.Shammi, Jai Unadkat, Mohit Sharma, Ishwar Pandey, Sid Kaul, Sandeep Sharma, Sandeep Warrier are some that have played for A teams recently. Then there is Umesh Yadav, Irfan Pathan who seems to be injured most of the times. The lost cause includes RP Singh, Munaf, Ashok Dinda, Praveen Kumar, A Mithun and A Nehra. What are we then left with, some names that does not cause ripple includes Rahul Shukla, Dhawal Kulkarni, Rishi Dhawan, Uday Kaul etc. Thats it and thats about it. We simply are not producing International type bowlers. Although the bowlers from A teams judgement is reserved, its known that they dont cause much trouble to opponents.

  • IndTheBest on October 21, 2013, 12:46 GMT

    Indian team always had problem with bowling department. This is a known fact and very pity that people have accepted it rather than rectifing it. BCCI can always hire best bowling coaches of the world instead of hiring the batting coaches. Dhoni should try back I Pathan and Praveen Kumar who were wicket taking and good with new balls. B Kumar, Umesh Yadav, Mohit Sharma or whoever is suitable at the time should be drafted in the team instead of persisting with Ishant and Vinay Kumar.

  • venkateswarlu84 on October 21, 2013, 12:43 GMT

    Being an Indian I loved India loosing and i wish the same till they replace useless Ishant, Rohit and Aswin.

    Good luck Aus :)

  • on October 21, 2013, 12:36 GMT

    i think the rule before the circle rule was better. havimg fielders any were would require strong batting to win an odi game and a boundry would have more value. like the 92 world cup.

  • WalkingWicket11 on October 21, 2013, 12:31 GMT

    Those who are saying it is wrong to complain because rules are the same, please tell me why the Australians complained during the "Bodyline" series and the rules were changed? The rules were the same for both teams even then.

  • BoonBoom on October 21, 2013, 12:19 GMT

    There is an easy fix to all the problem. BCCI can easily change/fix/amend any rule in the game. Lets make a new rule that any ball bowled at over 100 kph shall be a no ball..... No fast bowling needed and there we solve the indian bowling problems!!! Quite simple and doable for BCCI.

  • on October 21, 2013, 12:17 GMT

    It is a unique problem for MSD. We can easily come to conclusion that Whatever team India tried in the permutation and combination choosing bowlers, nothing worked. Also it is clear that we do not have quality fast bowlers, and spinners as well. Only because of our batting strength, we are eliciting some respect and status in the world.WE can not be sure whether our bowlers are week but when we close our eyes the name pierces through our thought will be like Agarkar, Chetan Sharma, Venkatesh prasad etc will come in front of our EYE. These bowlers are mentally strong that even when they are constantly clobbered through the park, they never used to show any expression or frustration on their face. Ishant Sharma has to learn this fast otherwise he may not continue in the team. Because captain Dhoni backs him well stating that when any person is selected they should be given maximum chances. Conveniently MSD forgot that Ishant is being in the team past six years.

  • on October 21, 2013, 12:12 GMT

    All the people who think that Dhoni is not justified in complaining about the new rule are not in his place. Every team has at least one good paceman and/or a spinner. But for Indian team, crossing 130 kph is considered fast which is medium for other teams. Now with no consistent pacemen and no really good spinners, how is dhoni not going to complain. Indian team definitely needs a fine paceman!

  • on October 21, 2013, 12:07 GMT

    Great One Dhoni......................

  • Shan.z on October 21, 2013, 12:05 GMT

    why not change the rule. If BCCI wants they can force the change. As India is not producing any good fast bowlers so make that change.

    its just excuse all others are playing with same rules as well.

  • on October 21, 2013, 12:01 GMT

    When you dominate rules look okay to you, but when you start loosing everything seems to be worst then before it was.

  • ladycricfan on October 21, 2013, 11:47 GMT

    Why all these artificial field restrictions? Leave it to captains to set the field and do the captaincy. Every other season we see a new rule come into existance and even Dhoni seems to be unable to figure out the reasons for these changes, never mind the players or the fans.

  • PrasPunter on October 21, 2013, 11:43 GMT

    For once and only once, I would have to agree with the indian captain. No doubt these rules make it very hard for the bowlers and the captains to set the fields. Chappelli has pointed out how the recent rules are making bowlers extinct in a related article on cricinfo.

  • mjrvasu on October 21, 2013, 11:25 GMT

    The rule is same for all teams. It is just that Dhoni's XI has to adapt. It is even more clear that only bowlers capable of taking wickets should be in the playing XI. Properly used, Yuvraj would be a strike bowler. It is also a case for bringing in Amit Mishra who is a wicket taking bowler. Above all, the entire team should be good in fielding and be able to put pressure on batsmen. It is not just Dhoni who is shackled, all captains of other teams too have the same problem, but they would work to adapt and beat the system, and their opponents.

  • KingOwl on October 21, 2013, 11:22 GMT

    I don't agree with some of the new rules either. But if the new rules help prevent teams from exploiting flat tracks to win matches, then I think that is a good thing. However, the rules should not penalise genuine bowlers - spinners or pacemen.

  • karthi_cric on October 21, 2013, 11:17 GMT

    4thODI line up: Dhawan, Rohit, Kohli, Yuvraj, Raina, Dhoni, Jadeja, Amitmishra, Unadkat, Bhuvanesh kumar, Vinay kumar(There is no other bowlers left in the squad as of now except Ishant and Ashwin)

  • Sharath274 on October 21, 2013, 11:17 GMT

    Given the current situation, it wont be a bad idea to include Bhaji or Ojha in the ODI's.esp since the onus is more on containment than trying for wickets.. Bhaji can defy do that with his famous darts which he bowls with uncanny regularity in the T20's..also there is a strong case for a left armer to be succesful considering the no. of right handers aussies hav in their top order (All Except Hughes).. We cud even give a chance to some one lile Pravin Tambe who proved his ability thogh in T20's..but against good and quality opposition...

  • on October 21, 2013, 11:16 GMT

    Dhoni must not cry over spilt milk. Any changes in conditions applies to both team same like the playing field. One must accept defeat and stop complaining. There is time for everything. Sometimes you are on top and later at the bottom. When India chased 260 to win was there any complain from the Aussie. No, this is what you call sportmanship. Learn Dhoni from your counter part.

  • sifter132 on October 21, 2013, 11:11 GMT

    The fact that India have lost more home games of late is not because the new rules ...their batting has weakened as much as their bowling. And they've played better teams. Compare the numbers: In the 10 home games in 2011, India averaged 45 @ 5.83 RPO with bat, 26.93 @ 5.08 with ball Since then they've averaged 34 @ 5.28 with bat, 35.37 @ 5.23 with ball. Seems like the bigger disparity is on the batting side ie. their batting has declined even more than their bowling.

  • BustIPL on October 21, 2013, 11:10 GMT

    Same applies to other captains who face hardships containing indian batting lineup which undoubtedly is the best in the world. Anyway, cricket is being made more batsmen friendly and bowlers are toiling in general. Spacially, T20 is the massacre of the bowlers. Add to that flat pitches, small grounds and close boundries makes life difficult for the bowlers.

  • ShahbazSalamat on October 21, 2013, 11:06 GMT

    Dhoni extaordinary Captancy brought indian team on top he has the most orinary bowling attack arround i dont why india has lot of talent in bowling but never selecting....only bowler i can say who can bowl in international level is Bhuvneshwar Kumar and RJ...rest are crap...part timer can gave you victory always need specialist...whr is RP singh, bring back Yadav....Malik in RR was good bowler i would give him chance...Please bring one genuine spiner....R ashwin is not a bowler

  • on October 21, 2013, 11:06 GMT

    Poor Indians always have something to complain after loosing. So funny :D

  • tinkertinker on October 21, 2013, 11:06 GMT

    I don't get it, how can you point out unfavorable rule changes when thatrule change has been a key factor in all the late over runs india have been scoring themselves?

    if it wasn't for the rules india wouldn't have been able to chase down 350+ in game two.

  • on October 21, 2013, 10:54 GMT

    Rules like; the rule for wides doesn't apply to Ashwin, or if any batsmen playing India is struck on the pads he's LBW?

  • Joji_ on October 21, 2013, 10:53 GMT

    So.. in the next ICC meeting is BCCI going to say that all the ODIs in which India plays will have 5 fielders allowed outside the circle? This would be exactly the same stance as BCCI has on DRS.

  • Joji_ on October 21, 2013, 10:53 GMT

    So.. in the next ICC meeting is BCCI going to say that all the ODIs in which India plays will have 5 fielders allowed outside the circle? This would be exactly the same stance as BCCI has on DRS.

  • on October 21, 2013, 10:54 GMT

    Rules like; the rule for wides doesn't apply to Ashwin, or if any batsmen playing India is struck on the pads he's LBW?

  • tinkertinker on October 21, 2013, 11:06 GMT

    I don't get it, how can you point out unfavorable rule changes when thatrule change has been a key factor in all the late over runs india have been scoring themselves?

    if it wasn't for the rules india wouldn't have been able to chase down 350+ in game two.

  • on October 21, 2013, 11:06 GMT

    Poor Indians always have something to complain after loosing. So funny :D

  • ShahbazSalamat on October 21, 2013, 11:06 GMT

    Dhoni extaordinary Captancy brought indian team on top he has the most orinary bowling attack arround i dont why india has lot of talent in bowling but never selecting....only bowler i can say who can bowl in international level is Bhuvneshwar Kumar and RJ...rest are crap...part timer can gave you victory always need specialist...whr is RP singh, bring back Yadav....Malik in RR was good bowler i would give him chance...Please bring one genuine spiner....R ashwin is not a bowler

  • BustIPL on October 21, 2013, 11:10 GMT

    Same applies to other captains who face hardships containing indian batting lineup which undoubtedly is the best in the world. Anyway, cricket is being made more batsmen friendly and bowlers are toiling in general. Spacially, T20 is the massacre of the bowlers. Add to that flat pitches, small grounds and close boundries makes life difficult for the bowlers.

  • sifter132 on October 21, 2013, 11:11 GMT

    The fact that India have lost more home games of late is not because the new rules ...their batting has weakened as much as their bowling. And they've played better teams. Compare the numbers: In the 10 home games in 2011, India averaged 45 @ 5.83 RPO with bat, 26.93 @ 5.08 with ball Since then they've averaged 34 @ 5.28 with bat, 35.37 @ 5.23 with ball. Seems like the bigger disparity is on the batting side ie. their batting has declined even more than their bowling.

  • on October 21, 2013, 11:16 GMT

    Dhoni must not cry over spilt milk. Any changes in conditions applies to both team same like the playing field. One must accept defeat and stop complaining. There is time for everything. Sometimes you are on top and later at the bottom. When India chased 260 to win was there any complain from the Aussie. No, this is what you call sportmanship. Learn Dhoni from your counter part.

  • Sharath274 on October 21, 2013, 11:17 GMT

    Given the current situation, it wont be a bad idea to include Bhaji or Ojha in the ODI's.esp since the onus is more on containment than trying for wickets.. Bhaji can defy do that with his famous darts which he bowls with uncanny regularity in the T20's..also there is a strong case for a left armer to be succesful considering the no. of right handers aussies hav in their top order (All Except Hughes).. We cud even give a chance to some one lile Pravin Tambe who proved his ability thogh in T20's..but against good and quality opposition...

  • karthi_cric on October 21, 2013, 11:17 GMT

    4thODI line up: Dhawan, Rohit, Kohli, Yuvraj, Raina, Dhoni, Jadeja, Amitmishra, Unadkat, Bhuvanesh kumar, Vinay kumar(There is no other bowlers left in the squad as of now except Ishant and Ashwin)