India v Australia, 4th ODI, Ranchi

India bowling under pressure in Dhoni's Ranchi

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October 22, 2013

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Match facts

Wednesday, October 23, 2013
Start time 1330 local (0800 GMT)


MS Dhoni acknowledges the applause after scoring his ninth ODI hundred, India v Australia, 3rd ODI, Mohali, October 19, 2013
MS Dhoni will play his second international game in his hometown of Ranchi © BCCI
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Big Picture

India's bowlers are usually a much scrutinised lot. As the ODI series moves east to their captain's hometown, Ranchi, the spotlight will shine ever brighter on them. They have conceded more than 300 every time they have bowled in this series. MS Dhoni has warned that one cannot expect his batsmen, powerful as they are, to score that many in every match.

The cricketing world has been conspiring against ODI bowlers for years now, but lamenting about one less deep fielder won't help India. Even nine fielders on the leg-side boundary would not have helped them in Mohali during Ishant Sharma's 30-run over, because James Faulkner's sixes would have cleared them easily. Will the India bowlers be able to keep their cool at the death? Even in Pune, Australia were 264 for 7 in the 47th over before Faulkner took them to 304.

It seems an age ago, going by their current form, but in January, India's bowlers dismissed England for 155 in 42.2 overs in Ranchi's first international match. The fast bowlers found some movement, and the spinners some turn. Dhoni got the chance to hit the winning runs, making it a "perfect script" for him in his hometown. As long as India manage to square the series, he won't care about ideal endings this time. Falling 1-2 behind means India have to win three of four games to take the series.

Australia will know that it was the contributions from the lower order that pushed them past 300 in both their wins. They have started solidly but have lost wickets regularly in the middle. In Mohali, they were tied down by Ravindra Jadeja, who has conceded only 4.60 runs an over this series. With only four men allowed in the deep, the odd pressure-releasing boundary shouldn't be too hard to find.

Form guide

Australia WLWWL (most recent games first)
India LWLWW

In the spotlight

Various ODI captains have spoken of the need to preserve wickets against the two new balls and build for an onslaught later. In this context, a strong opening partnership becomes even more important. Australia's openers have put on 56, 110, 74 and 68 so far on the tour. India's openers, in comparison, have managed 12, 26, 176 and 14. Shikhar Dhawan and Rohit Sharma have established themselves at the top this year, and now India need them to be more consistent.

Glenn Maxwell has threatened to cause much damage with a couple of fearsome cameos, as his 53 off 32 in Jaipur highlighted. He's also been involved in a couple of mix-ups that have led to him being run-out. "I need to work on that," Maxwell said. "It's something that's happened to me a few times in the past. Hopefully it stops very soon." Australia will want him to kick on tomorrow.

Team news

Now that the selectors have persisted with Ishant for the rest of the series, the big question is whether he will play in Ranchi. "I hope he will come back strongly tomorrow," Suresh Raina said of his team-mate in the pre-match press conference. If one goes by that statement, Ishant will keep his place. Considering how much Dhoni supported Rohit during his horror run in 2012, backing Ishant for a few more games won't be much of a stretch.

India (probable) 1 Rohit Sharma, 2 Shikhar Dhawan, 3 Virat Kohli, 4 Suresh Raina, 5 Yuvraj Singh, 6 MS Dhoni (capt & wk), 7 Ravindra Jadeja, 8 R Ashwin, 9 Bhuvneshwar Kumar, 10 Vinay Kumar 11 Ishant Sharma/Jaydev Unadkat

Australia, like India, have played the same XI for the first three games, and there seems to be no pressing reason why they would want to tinker with their combination.

Australia (probable) 1 Aaron Finch, 2 Phillip Hughes, 3 Shane Watson, 4 George Bailey (capt), 5 Adam Voges, 6 Glenn Maxwell, 7 Brad Haddin (wk), 8 James Faulkner, 9 Mitchell Johnson, 10 Clint McKay, 11 Xavier Doherty

Stats and trivia

  • R Ashwin has a higher economy-rate (6.03) than Xavier Doherty (5.63) in this series.
  • Australia's victory in Mohali was their 25th against India in India, the most by any team. West Indies are second with 24

Quotes

"Ishant has been a quality bowler around the world for a number of years. We respect that but we just came up trumps against him."
Phillip Hughes

"We have bats in hand to counter their bowling, and balls in hand when they bat. You just have to stay positive."
Suresh Raina

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Posted by cricketgame1 on (October 25, 2013, 4:49 GMT)

Indian selctor have poor selection of pace atatck for this series. Bhuvneshwar,Mohit,Irphan,Zaheer,Aaron,Shami, thease pacers are very good for indian cricket team.

Posted by Al_Bundy1 on (October 24, 2013, 22:18 GMT)

Shami is a good find, but Unadkat is useless. Hopefully we have seen the last of Ishant Sharma. Ishant was "lucky" to have played for so long with such a pathetic record. Let's give a chance to Ishwar Pandey, Sandeep Sharma, Abu Nechim Ahmed, etc.

Posted by   on (October 23, 2013, 19:46 GMT)

Indian Team is Fully dependent on there Bating Strength The Bowler's which they Say are fast bowler there pace is 125 km is this what fast bowler are !! They are only save because on there Bating

Posted by bhushanB on (October 23, 2013, 8:30 GMT)

almost third time seeing Kohli jumping onto the ball in the slip........Kohli you are not fielding at point or gully.... this is slip where you let the ball come to you and pouch it, than pounce onto it.... you are trying to catch it, not trying to cut off a four....

Dhoni's catch was good...

Posted by bhushanB on (October 23, 2013, 8:26 GMT)

good bowling so far from Shami... need to get a bit consistent and avoid the short ball which does no good....

Posted by   on (October 23, 2013, 8:09 GMT)

Dropping Bhuvi bad choice. india needs to make early inroads into the Aussie batting and put them under pressure. Dhoni needs to keep the bowlers fielders and the batsman aware that they sre dispensable.

GOOD LUCK INDIA

Posted by bhushanB on (October 23, 2013, 8:04 GMT)

woke up at 3:45 AM and greatly disappointed to see bhuvi miss out the game... did Dhoni give any indication why at the toss? nothing shown on Willow.

Posted by bhushanB on (October 23, 2013, 8:01 GMT)

Wow... Dhoni you amage me.... Even when forced to make a change, you will make sure it has your mark.....you take Ishant out inevitably, but you take bhuvi also down.....

hopefully Bhuvi is just rested...

But looking at the conditions and pitch, Bhuvi would have done wonders today....

Posted by IndianCoolGuy on (October 23, 2013, 7:47 GMT)

Don't know we should appreciate for dropping Ishant, or criticize for dropping Bhuvi. Whats wrong Bhuvi has done till now? and what Vinay has done more? I don't think Shami is going to stop runs at the end. At least Amit Mishra should be included instead Shami.

Posted by Rinku-Nath on (October 23, 2013, 7:43 GMT)

To give good performance Ishanth should first cut his hair, bcz of his long hair he can't see where is the ball pitching while bowling....

Posted by   on (October 23, 2013, 7:41 GMT)

Australia should be washed out with Spin Bowling

Posted by Cricketlover54 on (October 23, 2013, 7:40 GMT)

Looking forward to seeing Shami/Unadkat perform as there has been much talk from Indian fans about bringing the two players in. If they cant win with these players, I don't know what will.

Posted by   on (October 23, 2013, 7:31 GMT)

Why Dhoni givesso many chances to Ishant,Ashwin and Raina

Posted by Naresh28 on (October 23, 2013, 7:31 GMT)

INDIA needs to concentrate on their strengths - MISHRA could come in - when the spinners came on they strangled Oz. Oz realized that their target would be the weak pace bowlers - thus Ishant, Vinay, Kohli, and even Bhuvi gave them the runs. This together with Ashwin's poor form is helping Oz out - Ashwin's problem is that he is not taking wickets. So what does that leave us in the BOWLING DEPARTMENT? NOTHING!!!!

Posted by   on (October 23, 2013, 7:14 GMT)

If you are out of form ,the you will be out of team(terms and conditions apply)

Terms and conditions: applicable only for senior players

Posted by Samar_Singh on (October 23, 2013, 7:08 GMT)

When was the Last ODI where INdian bowler swere not under pressure ? Does anyone remember ?

Posted by   on (October 23, 2013, 7:08 GMT)

I dont understand this,If you are senior player and out of form,you will be out of team,but if you are not a senior they will back you up,how ever yor performance is,Zaheer,sehwag,gambhir,bajji are out of team as they are out of form

Posted by Abimanyucbe on (October 23, 2013, 6:50 GMT)

My question to people who are all asking to Replace to ashwin ? who will bat along with Dhoni and 76 runs for the 7th wicket partnership... Who will bowl 49th over under pressure and give away just 5 runs............

Posted by MohammedNauman on (October 23, 2013, 6:47 GMT)

This series is against Australia in India. And India are already 2-1 lagging.. What will happen to Team India when they go to South Africa tour? Or Australia And England Tour?? I Guess we definitely need to sort out few things before thinking of going out of India.. And Mr captain cool has Definitely more on his plate to make it work out.. Starting from Ishant to a quality all-rounder and the no 4 position too.. Can India turn around in the remaining 4 games?? Only time will tell.. Anyways All the Best to both the teams..

Posted by   on (October 23, 2013, 6:46 GMT)

Its very Difficult if they loss today(1-3 out of 7), Better change the strategy use new bowler and try to win at any cost Dame sure we are going to lose today if we go with Isanth Sharma, Need to use the bench strength effectively and try to surprise Aus Batsmen, Really its not required to use Isanth at this particular time, then its all up to team management, any way all the best TEAM India.

Posted by ShanNachimuthu on (October 23, 2013, 6:41 GMT)

Bring Jaydev Unadkat in place of Vinay Kumar.

Posted by LovedFansofIndianCricket on (October 23, 2013, 6:40 GMT)

Today India field Ishanth Defiantly.But Question is when India try new bowlers. If India loose by Ishanth he will retain hsi place in Squad. Today if we chase India will definite win the match. So Ishanth will get another match. Why Selector selects 15 member quad. Please select only 11 members or 12. Other may play Ranaji or any other cricket.

Posted by Ravirbi07 on (October 23, 2013, 6:38 GMT)

Got too bored with batting only. There should be pitches that really support the bowlers. Bowling is also an aspect of this game.

Posted by   on (October 23, 2013, 6:35 GMT)

Please remove Ishant Sharma for Indian cricket's good future... & select some good young players or some experienced players like Zaheer khan & Irfan Pathan..

Posted by Int.Curator on (October 23, 2013, 6:31 GMT)

Is this going to be another +320 pitch? Contest between bat and bat? Hopefully the bowlers will get an opportunity to shine.

Posted by   on (October 23, 2013, 6:30 GMT)

Add one specialist spinner dont take ishant sharma. Its difficult for him to come back in this series.

Posted by vijayNaidu on (October 23, 2013, 6:25 GMT)

Well It's going to be same unchanged team for India. That's good though if the players like Ishant & Ashwin come up with good attitude and doesn't repeat the same errors what they have did in this series. When it comes to batting what Yuvraj & Raina contributed with their bat in this series is vulnerable. So showing faith on team members is good in certain point of time only. Come on man this is international arena not the domestic or county you won't get these many chances here. So keep it up guys, pull the things back....

Posted by GaneshIyer on (October 23, 2013, 6:22 GMT)

Why is India Bowling under pressure? Aussie Bowlers have not exactly covered themselves in glory. Just because Ishant bowled a 30 Run over? We have won more matches than we have lost with this bowling line up. We did the same to their bowlers when we chased down 360. So grow up and stop grumbling.

Posted by   on (October 23, 2013, 6:15 GMT)

australia will be favourate because of little better fast bowlers a mishra or sshami should come in for jadeja and i sharma , but still it will the decision of dhoni because jadeja is a good finisher , but dhoni has to keen in mind that ashwin can also bat and there is no problem with there batting but their bolling

Posted by LovedFansofIndianCricket on (October 23, 2013, 6:11 GMT)

Today India field Ishanth Defiantly.But Question is when India try new bowlers. If India loose by Ishanth he will retain hsi place in Squad. Today if we chase India will definatly win the match. So Ishanth will get another match. Why Selector selects 15 member quad. Please select only 11 members or 12. Other may play Ranaji or any other cricket.

Posted by   on (October 23, 2013, 5:59 GMT)

well said Irish I totally agree looking fwd to see the mat h today INDIA rockzzzzz!

Posted by MichaelBurton on (October 23, 2013, 5:49 GMT)

@srinideva: I disagree with Randika and agree partly on your comment. Jadeja is a good all rounder. That is true. But he is far from being world class spinner in the calibre of Warne, Ajmal, Narine, Murali and Kumble. His test bowling average is excellent but all 27 wickets has taken at home against poor spin players (Aus and Eng). His odi and T20 averages are below average. Aswin is ok barring his recent poor performance. Mishra would be the perfect choice for being world class.

Posted by   on (October 23, 2013, 5:38 GMT)

Better go for Bhuvi,Shami,Aswin nd Amit Mishra

Posted by   on (October 23, 2013, 5:35 GMT)

all the best for australians....go ahead and vanish india

Posted by   on (October 23, 2013, 5:34 GMT)

india win today definetely

Posted by heathrf1974 on (October 23, 2013, 5:33 GMT)

The wickets in India are doing very little to assist the bowlers. It is difficult for both sides.

Posted by   on (October 23, 2013, 5:32 GMT)

So why is India's bowling under pressure when Australia conceded over 300 in the last to games

Posted by minnow_cricketer on (October 23, 2013, 5:24 GMT)

If India should win this match and series they should play out of their skins, because this Australian team got some aggressive cricketers and powerful hitters in their line up in the world and all the players in their team are in excellent form both with ball and bat. We can expect some trilling finishes in this series. At last strong team wins.

Posted by   on (October 23, 2013, 5:20 GMT)

Hi M S D you have other bowlers like unadkat and shami in your squad. Its not like Ishanth is totally a bad bowler, he has talent but not in form now. If you choose Ishant only, who is not in form then why bother keeping other bowlers in sqaud ?. Are they just sub-fielders?

Posted by Krish51289 on (October 23, 2013, 4:58 GMT)

India will win today... tomorrow comments will be brilliant bowling, awesome batting. Please stop to criticise everyone. This is a game. Where we win oneday we could losse another day. Give credits and supports to our boys. They will play and win. Dont forgot past glorious victories. These guys won T20 World Cup and ODI worldcup, Champions traphy and Being NO1 in test cricket almost a year. We have lot of records ibn cricket than other countries. Hope We will win this series. Come on guys. Have a gud luck. ALL THE VERY BEST :)@@@

Posted by vipinchirackal on (October 23, 2013, 4:50 GMT)

why the selectors ate not looking at mohit sharma.he is the only choice besides buvaneswar.vinay,ishant,shami and unadkat are not able to make any impact on even bangladeshi batsmen.i think better bring sreesanth since he has done less damage to india when copare to ishant

Posted by Sugath on (October 23, 2013, 4:47 GMT)

It is not about who the bowler would be in death overs, but what he does. He must always be conscious that the 6 balls can all go the maximum being the last few overs. So the strategy should be how to curtail that. One way is to make a difference to your normal bowling strategy, and here as you know if good length will go for 6, short pitch will get same treatment. The best is to ensure you have the ability to see what the batsmen is doing as you deliver and make the change. That is how the likes of Marshall, Ambrose and few others did, of course they did not play this many ODI then. It is about that moment and is really up to the bowler

Posted by   on (October 23, 2013, 4:42 GMT)

Raina'a comment, "Balls in hand when they bat" is kind of happening literally.. I hope we use those "balls" wisely..

Posted by   on (October 23, 2013, 4:30 GMT)

he have to show his skills to overcome the defeat

Posted by gane4c on (October 23, 2013, 4:21 GMT)

Reading cricinfo commentary from last ODI

Posted by   on (October 23, 2013, 4:18 GMT)

I think instead of blaming Ishant Sharma, BCCI need to identify what is the role of the Bowling coach. There seems to be no plan anywhere when taking on Australian batsmen. If you look at Australian bowlers, they have a clear plan to every indian batsmen. Bowling bouncers to Raina, Yorker wide outside Off stump to Dhoni, Bouncer before pitched up deliveries to Yuvraj are such examples.Coach need to formulate a strategy to every batsmen and should always have Plan A and Plan B. This is not happening so far to Indian cricket. Atleast expecting something for the rest of the ODI's. Common Guyz, prove it we are the Best..

Posted by   on (October 23, 2013, 4:09 GMT)

Give B.Kumar the death overs! Lets see him doing better than Sharma.

Posted by JustIPL on (October 23, 2013, 4:06 GMT)

**Aussies have three precious all-rounders in Watson, Maxy & Faulks and I don't agree that they won due to their lower order. It was india whose lower order(Ashwin) came into play in the last ODI. Faulkner is a decent all rounder and has already proved his worth.

**Aussies have to control their death bowling and it will be their challenge in the next 4 ODIs.

**Dhawan has been found out against change of pace and moving deliveries. He wants to complete the shot in one go and lately been caught. India's opening partnership was better outside india but in india Dhawan is struggling as the ball does not come on to bat quickly.

Posted by himanshu.team on (October 23, 2013, 3:51 GMT)

Well, if you put them through fire, they will either burn out or shine brighter. Ishant surely is under fire right now. It is up to him to either shine or burn down. Given his skill and temperament (or the lack of both), I believe he will burn out. However, from that perspective selectors are right in a way. they are thinking of 2015 and not just this series. Despite Ishant's best (or worst rather) efforts, we may still win the series. However if he does not improve during the series itself, we may see him out for a very long time. More so, if we find one or two decent replacements.

Posted by Darkmanx12155 on (October 23, 2013, 3:41 GMT)

Hi MSD... the GOD OF CAPTAINS.. I hope you can remember the game where a weak SL team almost chased down 400 + at the venue... So PLEASE do not select Ishant in his current form... If you really do not want to replace him with someone else, please play 10 guys.. you'll still have a better chance of winning with 10 rather than having 11 with Ishant...

Posted by   on (October 23, 2013, 3:37 GMT)

Ishant is guilty of handing over the match to Australia. Had he conceded 10-12 runs in the penultimate over instead of 30, India would have won. Also, if Dhoni persists with him despite his disgraceful performance, he should be given shoe treatment.

Posted by   on (October 23, 2013, 3:27 GMT)

Interesting to see cricket match as its being uncertain, pitches less bothering players. Indian bowlers unnecessary scrutinized as all the games of the tour being a closed one. The indian bowling need to take a confident call and try comprehensively. Aus looking to pull another win while India setting new standards. I feel India is favorites.

Posted by InfiniteWhite on (October 23, 2013, 3:24 GMT)

Wait a second! What about the Australian bowlers? They conceded 300+ in 2/3 matches so far and could not defend 359.

Posted by   on (October 23, 2013, 3:24 GMT)

@ StarHawk - You could not have said it any better! Why can we (non experts) see it and the selectors cant? Does not make any sense, and its so frustrating. Good luck for tomorrow India.

Posted by dunger.bob on (October 23, 2013, 2:58 GMT)

I hope like crazy that Ishant has a blinder and comes away from the match as India's best bowler. I hope this happens not because I have any great affection for Sharma but because I just love to see all the armchair experts with egg all over their face-books.

These trials by popular opinion are extremely distasteful and I hope you all come a gutser.

Posted by Karthijagadeesh on (October 23, 2013, 2:56 GMT)

It is good that we all comment strongly on one of the weak bowling line-up in the current scenario. India are known for poor bowling line-up and it has become obvious. But, on the other side we should also look at the continuous failure of our batsmen facing short pitching deliveries and bouncers. Are our selectors, coaches and captain looking for a auspicious time to learn how to face these deliveries?

Posted by srinideva on (October 23, 2013, 2:56 GMT)

@Randika Perera, your point is baseless...raina is big asset in limited overs cricket. Jadeja joined csk few years ago only. He was part of the team that time. Ashwin is world class spin bowler, just had 3 bad games.but you have to see the timing of his bowling in odi's...i can understand your frustrations on csk, you being a srilankan..better luck next time.

Posted by vamsijuly17 on (October 23, 2013, 2:54 GMT)

1) They should take Jaydev Unadkat instead of Ishant

2) Rayudu in Yuvraj singh out

Posted by vigneshvinu on (October 23, 2013, 2:44 GMT)

For all you guys must note Vinaykumar is the highest wicket taker for india in these series so far. Ishant and bhuvi has managed to take only 2wkts.Ishant's economy is the worst.Dhoni might be the sucessful captain but he trying to use politics inside the team.thats why a player who respects him will be the team,eventhough he is not performing well.Why dont he give a chances to gambhir,bhajii,pathan bcoz they came inside the team before dhoni and they are seniors to him thats why they are out after one bad series.now ishant,rohit ,jadeja all are inside after many bad series,jadeja and rohit are inconsistent,ishant is even worse.

Posted by cricket_ahan on (October 23, 2013, 2:41 GMT)

Doing the same thing again and again and expecting a different result is the definition of stupidity. Enter Ishant Sharma, who has got bowling ability, but whose natural affinity to bowl short is beyond comprehendable, especially when the vast majority of them don't rise beyond waist height and are usually wide of off stump. How many times can someone be hit to the boundary before realising what he's doing is not working. I hate to be derogatory, but there's an abundance of footage that shows Ishant is indeed "stupid". Get him out of the team and make him do something different. And to reiterate StarHawk's comments, he is also poor in the field and next to negligible with the bat. Would be much better to bring back Zaheer - enough is enough!

Posted by   on (October 23, 2013, 2:35 GMT)

I don't know why everybody is ONLY blaming Ishant; I don't think that except Dhoni & Kohli any batsman performed good. Had other batsman played well-India could have scored above 350. When India won the last game with the record chase win-is it that Australia has the worst bowlers. Get over it looser. Get real.

Posted by Krish51289 on (October 23, 2013, 2:32 GMT)

India needs to re-think about bowling combination. unatkat needs to be in playing XI. Ishanth has got more chances in last two years than anyone else. He should back to domestic level and needs to improve in his skills to become a international level.(This is what happend to Irfan in 2006 SA tour). Raina needs to be aggressive in bat. It helps him to hit short pitch deliveries. When you going to defensive mode to will get out in short pitch deliveries. So you go and attack. Rohit doing anchor role in batting dept so he needs to be solid in first ten overs. Yuvraj needs to leave off side deliveries when he facing the intial deliveries. Once he settles in he can be more dangerous than anyone and to anyone even Johnson. Virat has always being trump card. Dhawan doing good but need to be consistent. Bhuvi and jadeja doing good things. Aswin and Vinay needs to be economic. Dhone please consider and re think the same XI combination at everytime. today wheather will play good role here.

Posted by MichaelBurton on (October 23, 2013, 1:55 GMT)

Definitely our bowling will have testing time from the Ausie batsmen. For me, we are yet to produce another Javagals, Kumbles, Kapil Devs. Our current squad of bowling are pretty poor and not upto the class barring Buvi and Zahir probably. It is very sad to see our spinners are not playing well against Ausie batting line up. It is hard to recognize if our spinners are poor or Ausie has suddenly developed a mighty batting power. Eagerly waiting for the remining 4 matches which would clarify all the doubts about our bowling vs. Ausie batting.

Posted by   on (October 23, 2013, 1:48 GMT)

India is never under Bowling pressure They have a good team and its captain making blunder mistake taking the same team. Have to rotate with Jaydev, Shami and Mishra Instead of Ishant he can use Yuvi, Raina who are economically lesser than these pace bowlers. So he can go in with three bowlers dropping one spinner in favour of Ambati Rayudu and he can use Yuvi, Raina, Virat and Rohit as a back up bowlers. If MSD changes his attitude and living his arrogancy keeping the team in mind India can do better in the remaining matches.

Posted by   on (October 23, 2013, 1:02 GMT)

Ishant must be dropped for this match. It is done all the time with hockey players in NHL, and frequently players come back stronger in the following game. Let's rotate the bowlers because Aussies get used to the bowlers. Ishant does not have variation or yorker that is needed in the death overs. Go INDIA GO..... No one is bigger than the team>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Posted by   on (October 23, 2013, 0:53 GMT)

Sunny_Shine, Yuvraj is considered a batting all rounder, whereas Faulkner a bowling one. Moreover, the former is playing at home. So I'm not quite impressed by your interpretation of the equation.

Posted by   on (October 23, 2013, 0:35 GMT)

australia is all dominating against india in odi..sure they will maintain this tempo..even it is dhoni homeground.

Posted by   on (October 23, 2013, 0:16 GMT)

@Posted by cricinfo_is_the_best on (October 22, 2013, 15:53 GMT):

Obvious answer: Sharma... Sharam Na! Can 'lock in' with 100% confidence. But let the first name not be Mohit! or Rahul.

Posted by   on (October 23, 2013, 0:01 GMT)

@ProdigyA on (October 22, 2013, 20:45 GMT):

The bowling coach? Where is he? Is he the guy hiding behind Duncan, in the dressing room, when the match is going on? Looking at the current miserable plight of Indian pacers, one would have expected him near the boundary line, guiding the bowlers (they are often fielding near the boundary), in between the overs.

Eric Simons might have had some crazy views about the non-performing India bowlers, like "They are in the top 5 in the world and such Ripley stuff" . But his intent, sincerity and efforts could not have been questioned .

I am waiting for the day when our own Zak become a professional bowling coach, always available to our youngsters; even during the match.

Posted by   on (October 22, 2013, 23:43 GMT)

i think Ishant Sharma is a great bowler for hyderabad and hence should play only for them and not for India :-)

Posted by   on (October 22, 2013, 23:42 GMT)

I can't believe India still wana keep same bowlers ..anyway good for Australia .. Go Aussie ..

Posted by   on (October 22, 2013, 23:19 GMT)

When will they learn

Posted by Ganapati9 on (October 22, 2013, 22:03 GMT)

1.2 billion -2 (Dhoni and Ishant) Indians demand the ouster of Ishant Sharma from the Indian cricket team.It is the first time after the Delhi case that almost all Indians including NaMo and RaGa are speaking in one voice on a given issue.For being instrumental in achieving this unity I recommend Ishant Sharma be considered for Bharat Ratna ahead of Sachin.I also request CAG and CBI to look into the reasons for the Indian selectors persisting with Ishant Sharma and fellow travellers( Ashwin,Vinay,Yuvraj) in the Indian Cricket team despite obvious failures.Their terms of reference should also include examination if Dhoni is involved in any Quid Pro Quo for retaining these failures in the team.

Posted by cricpanther on (October 22, 2013, 21:50 GMT)

Unadkat should be played in place of ishant and Mishra should be played in place of V. Kumar, than india has little bit chance to make it interesting for aussies otherwise , Dhoni should get ready to loose once again!!

Posted by sudhir98 on (October 22, 2013, 21:42 GMT)

I still remember when they opened MRF pace academy- I thought India's pace problems will be a thing of the past. Maybe there is such a thing as too much coaching with pace bowling. Nations who leave their pacers alone like pak, WI seem to do well. Also pitches need to change in India- pace bowlers are learning not to kill themselves for pace and bounce on the dead pitches to prolong their career and save their body from injuries.

Posted by   on (October 22, 2013, 21:20 GMT)

What is amusing is it is Raina who is coming to Ishants defense. Raina is also one of MSDs choices who has been rewarded with a promotion to no 4 even though consistently failing to scores decent runs and usual suspetibility against fast rising ball. Backing ugly ducklings and waiting for them to turn into Swans has been MSDs specialities. Can't understand how a guy who is perceived as flat track bully and has clear issues against short ball being given a chance to play at no 4 when the World Cup ll b held in Australia. Also if Ishant gets another hiding tomorrow which is more then likely MSD ll have a lot to answer to on his home turf.

Posted by cricpanther on (October 22, 2013, 21:19 GMT)

great chance for Australia to knock Dhoni down in front of his home crowd at his home land, Ranchi!! It's again not a big ground, so good for Aaron, Maxwell, Watson!! India on heavy pressure at this match so cash it for this match and then just one more to go to win the series from here!!! India should play without Ishant and give chance to young J.Unadkat. Mishra is a match winning bowler too!!

Posted by bhushanB on (October 22, 2013, 21:10 GMT)

One last thing, before calling it a day. Hopefully we will find some answers and see some common sense prevail in selecting the final X1 and some good bowling from India....

http://www.espncricinfo.com/blogs/content/story/681137.html

Posted by   on (October 22, 2013, 21:07 GMT)

If I'm MS Dhoni , I will give Ishant a one more game here, just to see does he have the confidence to bounce back. If he did after a poor series so far and a one of his worst games then he should be retained otherwise - thanks for the effort but I'm sorry its not enough. This is the time Indian team should be peaking not looking to find right players as the world cup is not far away. Ishant's biggest worry for me is his attitude, he can't field well, he can't get a yorker right, he dives to stop a ball and then just stays there like its somebody else who's gonna pick up the ball?? he must change his attitude it will start by having a hair cut first... I would like to discriminate indian batting as well, they were poor in last match, they pretty much lost the match by mid of first innings instead of 48th over. Come on India , you got the talent, you won world cup and champions trophy, yes you can do it and thrash aussies 5-2...get back on track to defend the world cup!

Posted by   on (October 22, 2013, 20:59 GMT)

What a revolutionary statement by Raina: We have bats in hand to counter their bowling, and balls in hand when they bat!!

Posted by bhushanB on (October 22, 2013, 20:57 GMT)

Few more...from people who actually watched the indian bowl...

Jigar Shah: "Poor bhuvi... All trap was set by him in last over and Vinay got the wicket.... He is still wicket less in series... A bad performance statistic wise..."

Shiv: "Happy to see Ishant take wicket!! Hope this is not the rare phenomena"

Aniket: "Now on the basis of these few tight overs, Ishant and Vinay will continue to feature in the Indian team for the rest of the series... Sigh... C'mon Sandeep Patil bring in some new bowlers."

Luke G: "Surely this should be the final nail in the coffin for the blunt spearhead. He has done nothing for years now."

Posted by bhushanB on (October 22, 2013, 20:48 GMT)

Reading cricinfo commentary from last ODI, AUS innings, some comments so early in the innings ---

OVER 1.2 Madan: "As a India and Dhoni fan, I don't know if I want to see all the great work go down the drain with what I believe, will be some really poor bowling."

OVER 3.6 Harish: "Mr. Ishanth and Mr. Vinay...Don't make Dhoni regret for not axing you both from this match.."

These two sum up the confidence Indian viewers have on these two, wonder why Dhoni can't feel any of it

Posted by Nampally on (October 22, 2013, 20:48 GMT)

@bhushanB: I can understand your frustration with the XI selection by Dhoni & his strange way of handling the bowlers. I concur with most of your comments & also am just as frustrated. My answer to Dhoni's comment about "Spoon feeding of the bowlers" is get those bowlers who do not need spoon feeding. In Mishra India has a leading wkt. Taker from the recently concluded IPL6. Why is he on the bench instead of taking the Aussie wkts.- proven to be weak against leg spin. In Unadkat, India has a LH seamer's option to challenge the Aussie Openers. Why not try him instead of persisting with "spoon feeding of Ishant Sharma"- tried since eternity but failed! We are just fans who can only look helplessly at the horror show. I bet that Dhoni will go with unchanged XI in ODI 4. I am reminded of Einstien's famous quote for "Insanity"- Repeating the same blunders but expecting different & better results.

Posted by ProdigyA on (October 22, 2013, 20:45 GMT)

The bowling coach for India has been completely useless. If he can't make sure Ishant is working in his weakness like wrist position etc then he is not doing his job. But Inspite of telling Ishant, if he is not able to learn then he is not communicating this to the selectors, again failing to do his job. Waste of money for this guy.

Posted by   on (October 22, 2013, 20:25 GMT)

there should be blind policy to change 1 or two players in every match so that there will be rotation and worst players will be rotated ,and rotation should be based only on records of recent matches not the old records.Yuvi should be dropped.

Posted by StarHawk on (October 22, 2013, 20:03 GMT)

I always thought Ishant was a good bowler that needs to be given a long rope, mainly because we don't have many good pacers in India. But the frustrating thing with Ishant is that he doesn't want to learn from his mistakes. He keeps bowling short balls to every batsmen, regardless of the pitch or the conditions or the state of the match. He will get hit and he'll come back and bowl the same delivery again and again. His test average is almost 40 and his ODI average is over 30, and an economy rate of almost 6 rpo to go along with it. It shows that he doesn't pick wickets or stop the run flow. He should be dropped so he can come back stronger. A stint in county cricket will do him a world of good. Even a good domestic season will be good for his confidence. But what I'm really afraid is that he'll play tomorrow, and he'll pick up a couple of wickets, and he'll stay in the team for another few series. He's not going to gain anything from it and he will never learn from his mistakes.

Posted by   on (October 22, 2013, 19:51 GMT)

depth overs is da concerns for msd, not ishant...

Posted by bhushanB on (October 22, 2013, 19:44 GMT)

Is there anyone from Ranchi? Can you tell us what the weather is like and if you see a possibility of rain interrupting the match?

If there is any chance of a full match, am planning to wake up at 3:30 AM for the match

Posted by CricketChat on (October 22, 2013, 19:43 GMT)

Ind must play Mishra in place of either Ashwin or Jadeja. Of course, I am assuming Ishant will be replaced at the minimum. Aussies will probably stick with the team that got them 300+ totals in all matches so far and won them 2/3 so far.

Posted by bhushanB on (October 22, 2013, 19:33 GMT)

I am not saying Unadkat or Shami will suddenly do wonders, if selected in place of Ishant and/or Vinay ... but at least you've given them a chance to try something different.... and when you keep them away for so long and finally give them a one-half chance towards the end of the series...you put undue pressure on them to perform, as they do not know when they will get another chance....

Remember Rahane?

Posted by bhushanB on (October 22, 2013, 19:29 GMT)

Nope never make wholesale changes, analyze each player's work load, pitch, conditions, recent form, future vision.. and make changes if/as required... Every bowler got hammered in the series... but did they atleast try different things, like changing pace, bending their back, changing ends, changing lines, trying yorkers, trying short pitch balls, changing fields and bowling to the field........If you cannot do/attempt to do any of those as a bowler, when your regular deliveries are clobbered... then I think you deserve to be atleast RESTED if not dropped.

Posted by Nampally on (October 22, 2013, 19:28 GMT)

India needs a proper XI with right bowlers to be competitive. It is about time that Dhoni & India stop flogging a "dead horse". Give Ishant Sharma a break. His confidence has hit a new low. It is dangerous for any cricketer to be playing with his attitude & confidence- time for a change. Unadkat had been playing in India A & did pretty well. Why is he being denied a chance consistently? With Finch & LH Hughes opening the innings, it will be great idea to have a LH pace bowler in combo with B.Kumar. This move is needed to halt the Aussie momentum. I would also like to see Raina & Ashwin both used if the pitch gives any assistance to the spinners. Raina bowls quicker off spinners than Ashwin. I feel sorry for Mishra to be in the squad where his captain dislikes leg spinners. He will send the Aussies into tail spin. India needs to restrict the Aussies to 250 to give themselves a sporting chance to win. Over reliance on batting with total neglect of bowling will not work. Good Luck!

Posted by   on (October 22, 2013, 19:09 GMT)

@Arun Bhaskar - 3 matches in a row, Ishant kept bowling kick me out of the team balls, Dhoni chose to keep him for a 4th match. Not only that, gave him a critical over in the match. As a result, duly lost the match. What does Dhoni do after the match, instead of rightly blaming his own cussedness, blames the bowlers. Mr. Dhoni & his backers, Ishant & Ashwin through their bowling performances have been demanding a break. Dhoni has refused to give them the break. I for one am wondering if the great Dhoni is so tired of these guys that he wants to damage their careers permanently so nobody (including Ishant & Ashwin) want them to bowl for India.

Posted by Cricfever_PM on (October 22, 2013, 19:00 GMT)

We all expect India to completely change their bowling option and put some new faces but it will not gonna happen! I feel still MSD will go with the same squad. This serious gave serious night mare to both the teams bowlers hence nobody is great!! Ishanth, Bhuvi were in good form till last serious but due to batting pitch their bowling got hammered!! I still feel Ishanth has some verity left in him!!! I feel give him one more chance to prove!! If not doing well then sack him without any mercy. Wrt Ashwin's bowling since CLt20 it's pathetic and he has to find the rhythm. Yes he bowled well in depth overs and he is getting hit initially but he has the quality to overcome the weakness! India winning or not i wanted BCCI to prepare some bowling pitch and give some moral to our bowlers!!! Cricket is not only the batsmen game and it should be the combination of both batsmen and bowlers game!! Good luck bowlers at Ranji!!

Posted by   on (October 22, 2013, 18:58 GMT)

More riveting actions are expected to unfold Wednesday when bitter-rivals Australia and India collide in the fourth one-day internationals at Ranchi. The visiting Australia team leading the seven-match series 2-1 and will no doubt want to maximise on the psychological advantage. A reflection on the preceding encounters, batsmen dramatically drew headlines while the pitch is known for its appreciative bounces. The two captains have lamented their bowlers for the lack of consistency but they are also in an optimistic mood that they will be respectable on this occasion. Half-volley?

Posted by   on (October 22, 2013, 18:56 GMT)

ishant had success against ponting and struggled against faulkner. does that mean faulkner is better batsman than ponting?

Posted by bhushanB on (October 22, 2013, 18:55 GMT)

Like an old saying... the team is only as strong as its weakest link...

so even if India wins the series 5-2 from here.... selectors and captain must scrutinize whats not working and whos not performing and why.. and should take appropriate actions

Thats the only way to excellence.

Posted by SL_rockz on (October 22, 2013, 18:49 GMT)

@ bhushanB fully agree with your thoughts. i respect MSD for his vast talent and skill. But what you said was correct..people are blind and donot see them.. i like MSD and he is my one best fav but i see what has to be seen.most ppl become partial to MSD in every thing and make his wrong movements look like perfect....

Posted by judedcouto on (October 22, 2013, 18:47 GMT)

YES Raina is right " we have Balls in hand when they ( AUS) bat" we must only be positive we don't leak (runs).

Posted by bhushanB on (October 22, 2013, 18:46 GMT)

Someone is waiting for Ishant to bounce back the next match and catch all of us red-handed.....

That is what I am afraid about... We do not want a one time heroics like Rohit's ton, or LOL Bajji's spell in that T-20 trophy (do not remember what it is or care about it)

It is not that he failed in one match, or two, one series or two.... When was the last time he delivered as the spearhead of a No.1 ranked and world champion team?

Posted by   on (October 22, 2013, 18:41 GMT)

i just think of what they did to ruin a far more talented, promising and successful pace bowler by the name PANKAJ SINGH. He deserved at least one chance...please give him one chance he will do much better...please please please

Posted by bhushanB on (October 22, 2013, 18:41 GMT)

It is not that we come out when India loses... sorry but I prayed after the first two balls in the 48th over, for india to lose... so that people will start questioning.... everything is forgotten or kept under the radar when the team wins... but the problems do not solve by themselves.... we know we did not have a genuine spinner since forever, no genuine fast bowler, no genuine pace bowling allrounder, many cannot play short ball or moving ball, .....

Do you guys want another one of those ENG summers to wake you up?

Posted by bhushanB on (October 22, 2013, 18:36 GMT)

@banam and others backing Dhoni's team selection...

If in a 7 match series, after the first 3, you see that almost all your bowlers were taken apart...(1) do you make any changes (2) you do not?

If you do not, then what is the point of selecting a 15 or 16 man squad? This is a home series, so you can fly one in in matter of hours.. so injury is not a concern... so is it just to carry drinks and field occassionally?

Posted by bhushanB on (October 22, 2013, 18:18 GMT)

@piyo_thanda_jiyo_thanda, yes definitely I know who I am talking about... Like I said i have no problems with his talent - the best wicket keeper bastman india every got and the mature way (sometimes very unattached and distant) he leads the team.... But when it comes to his partiality towards some... I have no doubts....

I remember his comments "we need a pace bowling allrounder" after the same match in which Irfan excelled both with bat and ball.... clearly implying that he does not consider him a pace bowler or an allrounder.. what kind of message are you sending?...

When Pujara was excelling and showing great strike rates in domestic cricket, expressed his intent to make it to ODI team ... his response was "we have to see where he fits".. well he never has to think where to fit in Rohit...

And more recently commenting on Bhuvi for death bowling...and blatantly ignoring Ishant

He does not do it secretly... he shows it explicitly and gets along with it..

Posted by   on (October 22, 2013, 18:14 GMT)

I am silently waiting for Ishant to bounce back in the next game and catch all you haters red-handed!! Seriously guys , if Dhoni says Ishant deserves a place in the XI , i will believe him because you know what? HE IS THE CAPTAIN. He knows better than the arm-chair critics and he has made it public that he is acting according to plan 2015. So , admonish Ishant all you want but stay away from silly suggestions - Aaron - Hasn't yet returned from injury , Irfan - injured , Rahul Shukla - Are you kidding me? , Mohit - impressive , but inexperienced , RP Singh / Munaf - LOL , Awana /Dinda - Maybe better than Mohali's Ishant but still not a great option , Umesh - Either dropped for being uneconomical or being preserved for tests..So , not a lot of options really in the fast bowling department.. Dhoni backs Ishant to the hilt and i am confident he will repay the faith. Sometimes , all it takes is one good match / over / ball. Keep calm and back Dhoni

Posted by banam on (October 22, 2013, 18:12 GMT)

Here we go again!!!! Dhoni bashers were waiting for a chance to attack him. No matter who failed to perform in Indian team, blame should always go to Dhoni LOL.....

Posted by   on (October 22, 2013, 18:11 GMT)

Sometime it happens but we should always show positive attitude.

Posted by   on (October 22, 2013, 18:07 GMT)

msd is back to his habits of late 2011! In India people talk so much about the game being above all individuals and do exactly the opposite... till now sachin is a glowing example and now guys like ishant are being pampered at the cost of the team! imagine how much a bowler like mohit or mishra could have benifitted from this series! it is not bad to back your players but they need to give some performances of note in return! and then I need to ask this question - when has ishant knocked the heads of batsmen while playing abroad?!! if I'm right he has some of the worst averages in aus eng and SA which are supposed to be paradises for him! and some people here are foolish enough to compare him with morkel ! this series is more likely to be remembered for how dhoni defied the limits of sanity rather than the result itself! anyway good luck India

Posted by SHAS12 on (October 22, 2013, 17:43 GMT)

only one thing can save indian bowling attack i.e. good and accurate line & length.instead of using short and length deliveries use yorker and good length with pace variation. ashwin should bowl good off-spin rather than carrom ball. hope that indian bowlers would remember this all. dhoni there is no any fielder in world cricket who can stop sixes..........so plz correct bowling strategy rather than arguing for rules.....

Posted by sweet2hrme on (October 22, 2013, 17:33 GMT)

Oh! No ..If Still Aswin Play its meaN Ind is going to suffer another loss. Aswin is wrost spinner rite now by seeing his form and Dhoni is worst captain becoz he is showing maidness by picking him again and again.

Posted by   on (October 22, 2013, 17:29 GMT)

"Ishant has been a quality bowler around the world for a number of years and we respect that"?!!? Sounds like someone wants Ishant to play for the opposition real bad!

Posted by   on (October 22, 2013, 17:29 GMT)

Open Your Eyes......Looks at indian line up.....murali vijay, suresh raina, ravindra jadeja, ravichandran ashwin,mohith sharma they all are Chennai super king players...few months from now...7 out of 11 will be Chennai super king players(PLAYERS UNDER MANAGE OF DHONIS COMPANY)....and also dhoni drawing a big plan for yuvaraj singh.dhoni wants yuvi out of his team...I BET THIS WILL BE TRUE IN NEAR FUTURE....lets c....

Posted by bbnn on (October 22, 2013, 17:22 GMT)

I was a cricketer during my college days ,a fast bowler. Even i can easly understand the Ishanth's wrist position is not correct when he deliver the ball ,What is our bowling coaching doing ? Ishanth is delivering the ball sideways not from top of his height.Why indian bowlers are not generating pace ? I know why, they are not using shoulder power and always using a tight grip on the ball , let them try a loose grip with more shoulder power , i noticed Wasim and Waqar is using this technics and M Irfan is doing the same now

Posted by B.Moizuddin.Gouhar on (October 22, 2013, 17:20 GMT)

@ bhushanB - Good Comments "Spot On" MSD is just doing what is good for him not what is good for team and he will try to bring soon one more sharma i.e. Mohit - any one of my opinion is dhoni trying to harm the popularity of Kholi by giving him bowling coz he knows Kholi will be get banged. MSD is not trying Raina coz he knows he will be punished and he wants to protect him like he always does with Aswin..

Posted by   on (October 22, 2013, 17:15 GMT)

Dear Abhishek Purohit, Please do your homework first and then write it up. We guys always wait to read match preview. Please write in better way, so that we can know about the pitch report, weather, due with some statistic as well. However (as I don't know is there any proper format of writing this up) thanks you so much for feeding our entertainment.

Posted by gauravm5 on (October 22, 2013, 17:06 GMT)

People says its very hard to read Dhoni's minds but for me its very very very hard to know why ashwin kept on bowling short pitch long hops or carrom balls repeatedly despite getting hit for 4s and 6s. Australians have played his off-spin with lot of caution but whenever he tried short pitch or caroom balls he was hit for 4s & 6s.

Posted by B.Moizuddin.Gouhar on (October 22, 2013, 16:57 GMT)

dhoni will never give a chance to others who are not his favorites and also never allow players who can seal their places at the expense of his own CHAMCHAS, like aswin for eg. can any one explain the dropping of Misra. He was the leading wicket taker in Zim... but anyways I want dhoni to play aswin tom also and we all will see the canning of aust's middle order to aswin and com... If we play all new attach of Misra, Shami Ahmed and Unadkat is there any harm? but surly this boys will not concede more then our so called attack bowlers (V Kumar, I Sharma, R Aswin and even B Kumar). Its only our fielding helping these below par bowlers otherwise aust would have crossed 400 plus in every single game.. lets see tom what happens...

Posted by   on (October 22, 2013, 16:55 GMT)

Sourav Ganguly has said the truth---Our bowing strength is spin bowlers and it is time to pull our socks! Why not call Thambe from RR or include Amit Mishra instead of Ashwin who is not in form? Aussies are very balanced side though in experienced. As Dhoni has clearly said that experience does not count much and they are equal to non experienced players in a pressure situation,the time is now to look at Thambe who rattled Chennai Super kings in Champions trophy. We have the best example of mharbhajan Singh taking the Mumbai Indians to win the trophy. Batting alone cannot win the matches and our bowlers are not delivering the goods.

Posted by B.Moizuddin.Gouhar on (October 22, 2013, 16:45 GMT)

4th ODI will one hell of match to watch for... I got a strong feeling that aust will once again outplay India with their powerful batting and short pitch bowling... just watch out for Finch, Maxwell and Bailey - any one wanna bet? it will be 3-1 tom for aust LOL... lets see what happens - Abhi Film Bhaki Hain... ;)

Posted by hnlns on (October 22, 2013, 16:43 GMT)

Rather than making fuss about Ishant Sharma's dreadful over, I think we need to ask questions like Are there no alternatives at all ? What has happened to the two promising young guns called Varun Aaron and Umesh Yadav - are they burnt out after just 1 year or so ? or have the selectors and Mr. MSD forgotten them all together ? Time to dig deep and look for some viable alternatives. Who knows when Bhuvaneshwar Kumar will meet the same fate as Aaron and Yadav, thanks to overexploitation by IPL, CLT20, ODIs, tests, etc...

Posted by   on (October 22, 2013, 16:41 GMT)

Harbhajan Singh and umesh Yadav should be brought in

Posted by   on (October 22, 2013, 16:38 GMT)

I hope for Indias sake they drop Ishant. Anybody know what happened to Umesh Yadav?

Posted by   on (October 22, 2013, 16:33 GMT)

Get in Mohit Sharma and Pragyan Ojha into the bowling attack.

Posted by   on (October 22, 2013, 16:31 GMT)

Doing same thing again & again and expecting different results is what Insanity is all about, This series is gone 1-6 unless Australia presses self-destruct button in any of remaining matches.

Posted by piyo_thanda_jiyo_thanda on (October 22, 2013, 16:24 GMT)

@bhushanB you do realize that you are criticizing one of the most successful cricket captains in the history of the game EVER, right? @anand_ and others -- why should Ashwin be dropped? He bowled crucial final overs in many champions trophy matches, and also bowled important overs in the last match. Among all the bowlers in the current Indian team, he has the best economy rate, and is not too behind in number of wickets taken also (next only to Bhuvi). Plus he has scored important runs at number 8 and is a safe catcher. On what basis are you going to drop him? There is not a single bowler in the Indian team who is a wicket taker so Ashwin can't be singled out on that argument.

Posted by   on (October 22, 2013, 16:22 GMT)

Whether to keep or drop a player is ultimately the job of a selector. As a captain, Dhoni is doing the right thing, trying to back his players when they are having a bad time. I strongly believe that Ishant's days have started getting counted. Sandeep Patil will take care of the rest of the business.

Posted by   on (October 22, 2013, 16:18 GMT)

We all are making much of Ishant's 30 Run over. The Aussies have not spoken a single word when their bowlers were sent lather hunting at Jaipur nor did they crib when Dhoni hit out at Faulkner in the last over at Mohali for 20 odd runs. Much as we all want India to win but at the same time keep cool head and not play the blame game. Yes, if certain changes are necessary one should go for it but one bad game should not call for changes. If Ishant is to be blamed, what about Ashwin whose performance is not to the mark.

Posted by cricinfo_is_the_best on (October 22, 2013, 15:53 GMT)

Guess what is Dhoni's favourite surname. I will give a hint. He persists with cricketers having that surname even if they suffer their worst nightmares on the cricket field game after game.

Posted by   on (October 22, 2013, 15:49 GMT)

Please stop rooting for Awana, Dinda and Irfan all are tried and tested with no success. We should add Ishant and Vinay to it.

Try new bowlers we may find another Bhuvaneshwar Kumar.

The list is pretty interesting,

Rahul Shukla (Watch champions (20-20) for god sake he is pretty exciting) Sandeep Sharma S. Kaul Dhawal Kulkarni ( Watch Ranji finals to see the swing he got from dead pitch)

There are more options, selectors have to be bold thats it.

Posted by   on (October 22, 2013, 15:38 GMT)

I don't understand why people are making so much fuss about the extra fielder.The rule is for both teams.

Posted by anand_ on (October 22, 2013, 15:32 GMT)

It is Ashwin's form that is more of a concern for the Indian team than that of any other bowler. Ever since the World cup 2011 our bowling has revolved around Ashwin, when ever he has been off we have lost that series let be the one against Australia or the one against England. He has been Dhoni's go to man and it is high time that he stops using so much variations. It wont be a bad idea from the management to make him sit out the next 4 ODIs and tell him to get back to basics before the upcoming Test series.

Posted by   on (October 22, 2013, 15:31 GMT)

I find Dhoni's tendency of keeping backing up player going through horrid forms strange. If a player is struggling he should be sent back to domestic cricket to set his basics right and get some form. Internatinal arena is not the place for practice. Here everytime you take the field winning should be the only goal. He if Dhoni is doing this keeping an eye for preaparing a team for next WC then he should give some chances to players warming the benches for long. This way they too be better prepared for WC. You would be wanting your bench players to be makng their debuts in the WC.

Posted by Adnan-Ahmed on (October 22, 2013, 15:30 GMT)

Zaheer is a short-term solution & a laibility in the field. I'd rather see India try new faces than go back to the likes of Irfan Pathan & Zaheer Khan.

Posted by   on (October 22, 2013, 15:30 GMT)

dear punters, the drama is at full swing. tomorrow is the day for india. if aus bats first just wait for 20, to 30 overs so that aus can make a good score and the rate should increase, thn place ur bet on india. and if india bats first, just place on india and win. dont go on aus.the series will be levelled tomorrow.

Posted by bhushanB on (October 22, 2013, 15:26 GMT)

Sorry for missing out on Umesh and the two helpless bowlers in the team Jaydev and Shami,,,, Aaron, I never felt he would make the cut.

Posted by bhushanB on (October 22, 2013, 15:23 GMT)

@sachin_paul Dhoni is not going to drop Ashwin or jadeja or rohit or ishant or raina

given a chance he will try to get back --- Vijay, RP singh, Badri,

and successfully keeping these out of the team --- Pujara, Irfan, Tiwary, Rayudu, Mishra, Praveen kumar,

wont let these come back --- Gambhir, Viru

will drop these at the first chance he gets --- Bhuvi, Dhawan,

Does not care about these (knows they can be dispatched any time he wants) --- Vinay kumar, Dinda,

For now can't/won't touch --- Kohli, yuvi

he does not know these exist - Baba aparajith, harmeet singh, sandeep sharma, Zol, Nayar,

For all his talent and coolhead, what a team India could have been if he is a little less Partial towards his buddies

Posted by   on (October 22, 2013, 15:16 GMT)

Dhoni's persistence with with non-CSK Ishant proves that he is just not pushing the CSK players. More so, when you see that he is not pushing the case of CSK's Mohit Sharma, who had been crying out loud for a chance, with his performance. Or, is Dhoni telling the world, that one Sharma is as good or as bad as any other Sharma? And, that he wants to live with a known risk than an unknown one at the international level.

Anyway, Mohit is not in the 15; but at least Shami & Unadkat are there! May be, in the nets, Dhoni might have found both alternatives, not up to the mark? Or, Dhoni & the selectors have already "penned" in (not penciled in) Ishant for the next World cup in locales which are more conducive to Ishant type bowlers?

Posted by Playfair on (October 22, 2013, 15:10 GMT)

Is Umesh Yadav injured? varun aron was much touted about, Awana showed some promise but seems to have been overlooked but these players aside, Jaydev Unadkat is sitting on the sidelines carrying towels, selectors must make bold decisions to drop the non performers and give opportunities to those who need exposure for the long term

Posted by kumarcoolbuddy on (October 22, 2013, 15:09 GMT)

@sando31, if you agree that Indian bowling is good (in this series) then I would loudly say that AUS batting was excellent? AUS batsmen couldn't take Ashwin because of his carrom ball, Jadeja because of his quick wicket-wicket spin and Bhuvaneshwar because of his consistency. It was Ishant and partly Vinay Kumar who gave victories to AUS.

Posted by   on (October 22, 2013, 15:06 GMT)

Hope, Dhoni doesn't throw the ball to Kohli, especially when we have many part-time spinners. Kohli can have any purchase from the pitch, ONLY when the ball swings. Otherwise, he is easy meat for batsmen.

Though I had been strongly arguing that Ishant should be given a break, so that he can come back strongly, I do consider the 30 runs an over he conceded as an aberration from a regular. But use of Kohli's overs in both the matches were foolish & unpardonable; and that is the one which let the pressure valve to be released a bit, after Jadeja's successful effort in tightening it!

Posted by Sunny_Shine on (October 22, 2013, 15:05 GMT)

@Chris kay: What yuvraj did in Rajkot was against "one of the finest bowling attacks" in the world, which was quite an achievment for our batsman, but what Faulkner did in Mohali was against *sigh* "Ishant" and "Vinay"......while your bowlers have the temperament to bounce back in the next game, there is a BIG "?" on the temperament level of bowlers.

Posted by ReverseSweepIndia on (October 22, 2013, 15:01 GMT)

I am not sure if any of Sharma, Dhawan orr Kohli can keep wickets. If not, bing Dinesh Karthick in for Raina. Yep, I am doing some insane thinking with sane mind: Dhoni can bowl 6-7 overs and rest from Yuvi & Rohit Sharma. Mind you, he will not bowl bad than a certain Ishant Sharma. And we have an added batsmen who play short ball much better than our current #4.

Posted by ChandanDua on (October 22, 2013, 15:01 GMT)

interesting how we forget how the Australian bowler's lost them the 2nd ODI ? Or was it just because Indian batsmen are Gods. No one enjoys bowling hit-me's but it's never too late to learn control. on the other hand nothing wrong with letting Ishant bowl only at the tail, (is Faulkner part of the tail ?) although it would be very sad to see him get spanked (should that again happen). No discredit intended here, but Dale Steyn is the most effective bowler to the tail, by far.

Posted by Sivach on (October 22, 2013, 15:00 GMT)

I think Dhoni should try Unadkat/Saami. I don't think they van bowl worst than Ishant. Also, Dhoni can give a try with Amit Mishra instead of Ashwin.

Posted by kumarcoolbuddy on (October 22, 2013, 14:59 GMT)

@sando31, if you agree that Indian bowling is good (in this series) then I would loudly say that AUS batting was excellent? AUS batsmen couldn't take Ashwin because of his carrom ball, Jadeja because of his quick wicket-wicket spin and Bhuvaneshwar because of his consistency. It was Ishant and partly Vinay Kumar who gave victories to AUS.

Posted by theonemorpheus on (October 22, 2013, 14:58 GMT)

It is very naive of the author to write that the extra fielder in the deep would not have made any difference to the Ishant Sharma mauling in the 3rd ODI. An extra fielder in the deep would have surely made Faulkner more conscious about hitting the ball in the air and might have caused a mistake...So the extra fielder would surely have made a difference!

Posted by   on (October 22, 2013, 14:57 GMT)

The importance of the opening partnership can not be over-stressed. India rarely lost when they had a good start from their opening batsmen. And vice versa. In this series too, the only match, when India won was when the openers scored 176. We are not asking 176; be at least be consistent.

In the heat of anger against the poor performance of the bowling unit, the openers' inconsistency went under the radar. I have been saying, as regularly as possible, that we do NOT yet have a settled opening pair. or, at least a consistent performance from a pair in whom we are pinning so much hope.

Posted by sachin_paul on (October 22, 2013, 14:50 GMT)

To those of you wondering why Dhoni is giving Kohli the ball often instead of Raina or Yuvraj ...I have this theory - the next world cup is down under and Dhoni wants a pace bowling part timer (who'd be useful in Australia). What India really need is a pace bowling all rounder (who is more of a batsman...like Watson), so that they can drop Ashwin, make Jadeja a full time spinner

Posted by sachin_paul on (October 22, 2013, 14:47 GMT)

I've been pleasantly surprised by the Hughes-Finch opening partnership. Hughes was so weak against spin earlier in the year , however he is handling Ashwin and Jadeja very well. In a way, Finch and Hughes are like Sehwag and Gambhir - the boundary hitting right hander and the scratchy left hander

Posted by sachin_paul on (October 22, 2013, 14:46 GMT)

The Australian coach really needs to sit down and have a chat with Adam Voges. He played a very counter productive innings in Mohali and got away with it thanks to Faulkner. When India build pressure, it is against Voges invariably. The openers and the other middle order batsmen ( Maxwell, Bailey) always take singles while Voges ties down one end. Also, give old Brad Haddin a rest before the Ashes....let Hughes keep and bring in Ferguson. The line up should be - Finch, Hughes, Watson, Bailey, Voges, Ferguson, Maxwell, Faulkner, Johnson, McKay, Doherty.

Posted by sando31 on (October 22, 2013, 14:42 GMT)

I understand that the Indian bowlers are struggling at present, but why can't everyone give credit to the Aussie batsmen for scoring in excess of 300 in every game!

Posted by CricketMaan on (October 22, 2013, 14:40 GMT)

So Abhishek cannot see the point that even Aus conceded 350+ and a 300+ and James Faulkner was thrashed for 24 runs and Shane Watson's eco rate is 7+ this series. YES ISHANT BOWLED ATTROCIOUS OVER. But it happens in any sport. YES Ishant has not matured as a strike bolwer, but dont be so biased. on the contrary Ishant has picked 30+ wickets in 2013, the truth is its not just Ishant that is going to win all games for India.

Posted by   on (October 22, 2013, 14:37 GMT)

Raina must be so thankful to Ishant Sharma for diverting all the negative attention away from him. Ishant Sharma's pathetic performances made the fans not much consider Raina's poor performances in the No. 4 place.

Posted by   on (October 22, 2013, 14:37 GMT)

Raina must be so thankful to Ishant Sharma for diverting all the negative attention away from him. Ishant Sharma's pathetic performances made the fans not much consider Raina's poor performances in the No. 4 place.

Posted by Naresh28 on (October 22, 2013, 14:30 GMT)

ISHANT must be bowling with his eyes closed. He does not know anything about variation, yorkers, angles, round the wicket, wide of the crease, back of the arm, etc. He kept feeding Faulkner with the same delivery time and time again. The last game was a giveaway by Ishant and Kohli. The spinners throttled Oz only for two bad overs to take a game which was in the bag. Vinay did the same but at least took some wickets. India needs to experiment with Mohit, Pandey, Shukla, Sandeep Sharma - lets find a good bowler. Also Zaks needs to come back.

Posted by pull_shot on (October 22, 2013, 14:23 GMT)

The real problem is because of ipl stint Australians got familiar with spin and marginally short of length is being dispatched and because of only 4 fielders in deep implies either deep square leg or long off is inside circle which means they can play premeditated sweep or go down d ground when full

Posted by Ram.TG on (October 22, 2013, 14:20 GMT)

Sad that Dhoni and the selectors are forgetting that India's a large country with and endless pool of talented professional cricketers waiting for their opportunity. Please...look beyond mediocres like the Ishants, the Ashwins etc

Posted by Mr.PotatoesTomatoes on (October 22, 2013, 14:15 GMT)

I just checked out Ishant's extremely generous display from the last game.What was absolutely incredible and shocking(if you are an Indian fan you cant help having this feeling)was the tall,lanky bowler's insistence on bowling short of a good length.It was insanity,wasn't it,was one of the best displays of obtuse bowling I have ever seen in ODIs-who the hell bowls four deliveries out of six at the death short of a length.More than anything else-his inability to take wickets,his on the higher side economy rate-it's his lack of awareness of match situation that makes you want to turn to other bowlers.Bowling short pitched stuff on a flat Indian deck!!!What was he thinking? That said,he is still a young lad-only 25 yrs old-and if reports are to be believed has the backing of his captain,and its difficult to argue against the logic of someone who has won you a cricket world cup and the champions trophy.Hope Ishant learns from his mistakes and comes back strongly.

Posted by ashokvetri on (October 22, 2013, 14:07 GMT)

Wow..... what a great word by Suresh Raina."We have bats in hand to counter their bowling, and balls in hand when they bat. You just have to stay positive." Great.. but tell your bowlers to bowl well, when they are having ball in their hand to bowl in death overs.... I surprised why dhoni is giving ball to virat kohli 1-2 overs every match & testing unnecessarily. econ. rate more than 10 every match. Instead of kohil, raina/yuvraj is handy. Try raina itself to bowl continuously how he bowled for CSK in T20's....

Posted by   on (October 22, 2013, 14:01 GMT)

I think MS has a good chance to search a good young blood for his fast bowling in the country.He is a Great captain he should take these decisions by itself.

Posted by lthornte on (October 22, 2013, 14:00 GMT)

A smart move if Ishant plays, wpuld be to let him get a couple of lower order wickets to help him retain his place for the rest of the series.

Posted by   on (October 22, 2013, 13:59 GMT)

When Yuvraj heaved and won at Rajkot everybody looked happy. Now, as Faulkner did, everybody looks concerned; and why?

Posted by   on (October 22, 2013, 13:56 GMT)

After this series Dhoni's captancy might be change....

Posted by sunilento1 on (October 22, 2013, 13:56 GMT)

Looks like India is gonna persist with self proclaimed spearhead. This is what I don't like about Mr. Dhoni. He is just too reluctant to change his playing eleven. Whats the point of selecting and benching the youngsters when so called seniors are constantly failing? (I am only insinuating about Bowlers here though!)

Posted by Romanticstud on (October 22, 2013, 13:53 GMT)

On any day a batsman or bowler may do the trick ... Remember it takes ten good deliveries to win an ODI ... It also takes 60 bad ones to lose an ODI ... As a batsman keep your eye on the ball ... play straight ... head focused ... and hopefully we have another 600+ cracker ...

Posted by bhushanB on (October 22, 2013, 13:52 GMT)

Read that Ishant practiced longer yesterday with the bowling coach.... so did he practice some yorkers... or the same length balls?

Posted by bhushanB on (October 22, 2013, 13:50 GMT)

Every D has its day.... sincerely pray that this is not the one for Ishant... If it did, it will only make him complacent and not work hard (/smart) and try to learn new things....

He is young, can take sometime off the international cricket, concentrate on the basics and practice a few variations (/must haves in ODI) like yorker.. and comeback with as a fresh self with confidence.

Posted by kumarcoolbuddy on (October 22, 2013, 13:47 GMT)

Looking at Maxwell's comments by using words like intimidating, threatening shows that they are boosted and trying to show their over-confidence. Indian team need to let AUS know their limits.

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