India v Australia, 2nd Test, Hyderabad, 2nd day March 3, 2013

Arthur backs Lyon despite axe

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Coach Mickey Arthur has said Australia's axing of Nathan Lyon for another spinner for the first time in his Test career does not mean he has lost the confidence of the selectors.

Lyon was left out of the Hyderabad Test after taking 4 for 244 in Chennai and instead the team relied on Xavier Doherty and Glenn Maxwell for its spin requirements, a plan that by the end of the second day had failed to bring a wicket as M Vijay and Cheteshwar Pujara dominated proceedings.

The only other time Lyon had been left out since making his debut in Sri Lanka in 2011 was against India at the WACA in January 2012, when four fast men were chosen on a bouncy pitch. Arthur said Lyon needed to work on some technical aspects of his game after the Chennai defeat and also had to regain his confidence after being battered by MS Dhoni during his remarkable double-century.

"Nathan and I have spoken at length about the summer he's had," Arthur said. "Nathan is going to be a very good spin bowler bowler for Australia. It doesn't mean we don't back him anymore, we just think it was the right time after Chennai just to give him a little bit of a break. He had a couple of technical things that we wanted to work on a little bit away from the game but still being on tour, which we've done, and we are confident he will bounce back really strong.

"We also felt he needed to come to terms with a couple of things and he's done that. He was ill yesterday and didn't come to the ground but he was here today and he'll get his strength up. I don't want to go into what we are working on. There are one or two technical things plus we want him to get a little bit of confidence back."

Arthur said the rationale behind choosing Doherty was that Australia wanted a spinner who could turn the ball away from India's top six, all of whom are right-handers. Maxwell, he said, was chosen as a backup spinner who could also offer plenty with the bat and in the field. At stumps on the second day, Doherty had taken 0 for 85 and Maxwell had 0 for 55.

"We thought the Indian middle-order played the offspin particularly well in Chennai," Arthur said. "We wanted somebody who could turn it away as our primary resource, which gave Xavier an opportunity. I thought he went very well today, he toiled manfully. He went about three an over which was pretty decent. Xavier gave us what we know Xavier can.

"Glenn was always going to be the other option. We felt that we would have another spinner and if we had another spinner, we wanted a guy who would bring more to the party. He was another allrounder, a guy that could bat eight and bat deep for us and give us something in the field. That's what we want with Maxi primarily as the second spinner."

Arthur conceded that Maxwell had bowled "not very well today" but hoped he had learnt a lot from the experience of working against such good players of spin. Maxwell, Doherty, Lyon and the batting allrounder Steven Smith were the spin options in Australia's squad, while the leading Sheffield Shield spinner this season, Steve O'Keefe, was overlooked. O'Keefe has 17 wickets at 26.76 this summer and took eight in a match just before the squad was picked.

"Stephen O'Keefe has got a really good record," Arthur said. "Xavier Doherty bowled outstandingly well for us in the one-day series against Sri Lanka. Michael Beer would have been here if he didn't get injured. That caused us to reshuffle a little bit. We picked Xavier over Stephen primarily because we thought Xavier was bowling exceptionally well, which he was in the one-day series at that particular time."

Not that Australia's dire situation after two days in Hyderabad was all down to the bowling. The batsmen let the team down severely on the first day by stumbling to 63 for 4 before Michael Clarke and Matthew Wade rescued them from embarrassment. Still, Australia's 237 for 9 was already looking paltry a day later when India went to stumps at 311 for 1.

"We had a pretty tough chat with our batsmen this morning because we thought they'd probably wasted a bit of an opportunity yesterday," Arthur said. "I do think we should have got more in our first innings without a doubt."

Brydon Coverdale is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo. He tweets here

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  • Barnesy4444 on March 4, 2013, 4:35 GMT

    Lyon needs to slow down and think about each ball. He seems to rush between overs simply to allow the quicks to start their over 30 seconds earlier. He needs to learn subtle variation in speed, flight and spin. Did he watch Herath bowling? Where is Warney teaching Lyon these things? Why is Okeefe not in the squad? He is a left arm finger spinner much better than Doherty. Batsman fail, yes, but selectors fail too.

  • on March 4, 2013, 2:36 GMT

    Lyon should be persisted with. He's our best spinner. The funny thing is everyone getting in a panic over the ashes series ahead. I mean conditions will be much suited to our young and improving pace attack in england and australia than in india. I can see pattinson, bird, starc and siddle giving england a hard time in both series. Lyon or ahmed can chip in as the lone spinner. If this indian team came to australia now they would struggle against our pace attack. For me the only problem leading into the ashes is our top order. We're getting way to over reliant on clarke. Hussey was a huge loss. Usman has barely had anytime in the middle in the last 3 months. Why he wasn't given time in the middle in the odi's is beyond me. Unfortunately we are going through another transition phase with punter and huss retiring. so it may be time for australian fans to show some patience.

  • KhanMitch on March 3, 2013, 23:36 GMT

    Don't know whats happening here ,we all know Australia are not this bad . Personally I think its partly a lack of talent but more importantly its a case of confused and inconsistent selection policy which has had an effect on the confidence of the whole team and this series will only make the situation worse. Khawaja only gets a game or two at best but Cowan keeps going and going. And don't even get me started on Maxwell's selection over Lyon.I won't be critical on Doherty as he had 2 dropped catches from his bowling in good batting conditions. The series is seven days old and this was the most one-sided day of them all.

  • Shaggy076 on March 3, 2013, 22:49 GMT

    Lyon is the best we have his debut on Sri Lankan wickets was superb. In Australia he plays the role of a stopper for the paceman and has hurt his development a little. He gets one test on Indian soil and starts learning how to bowl on these wickets and he is dropped for Maxwell who barely rolls his arm over for Victoria. I note one shield game Cameron White bowled 18 overs Maxwell 5. Lyon has been doing his job for the side ever since he came into the team, Mike Husssey obviously noted this with handing him control of the song. The fact is he is still young in bowling terms and he will improve. The likes of Swann were late 20's before finally becoming a part of the England side - so get Lyon back in as his record is good and he will only improve from here.

  • Samdanh on March 4, 2013, 8:14 GMT

    One of the most unacceptable and un-professional reasoning provided for not bringing along Steven O'Keefe - ""Stephen O'Keefe has got a really good record," Arthur said. "Xavier Doherty bowled outstandingly well for us in the one-day series against Sri Lanka. Michael Beer would have been here if he didn't get injured. That caused us to reshuffle a little bit. We picked Xavier over Stephen primarily because we thought Xavier was bowling exceptionally well, which he was in the one-day series at that particular time." Will any balanced mind consider performance in ODI's for selection to play in Tests? Looks like the coach is designing for Aus to fail from growing from the loss of its veterans and ACB is a mere spectator

  • on March 4, 2013, 6:44 GMT

    Well, if anything, someone finally actually mentioned SOK. So at least they have actually heard of him!

  • on March 4, 2013, 6:08 GMT

    Complete trash from Mickey Arthur. Either he has no influence on selection decisions, or his is trying to put Lyon's axing as nicely as he can. If he was truly backing Lyon's ability, then he would pitch for him to keep playing. It was a matter of working with him in the nets and formulating a plan, which he could then put into play in Hyderabad. Playing a second rate spinner in his place, especially one with an ordinary first class record (Doherty) was definately not the right play - if Australian domestic batsmen can take him to pieces, then what hope does he have against Indian batsman who are regarded as much better players of spin.

  • zenboomerang on March 4, 2013, 3:37 GMT

    In the 1st Test Lyon bowled 52.5 overs for 4 wkts with econ @4.64 - not great but did his job that neither Siddle or Starc could do - same number of overs for just 1 wkt... So they replace him with Doherty & Maxwell whom have managed 36 overs for 0 wkts @3.88 - one extra batsman/bowler for zero effect... While Lyon managed 14 runs to Doherty Maxwell's 13 runs... To me, that works out that Lyon is more effective as a wkt taker & run scorer that the combined duo of the X Factor & the Big Thing... Perhaps Clarke should just look for Test players & not the "hit & giggle" showmanship brigade...

  • zenboomerang on March 4, 2013, 3:34 GMT

    @Shaggy076 :- "Mike Husssey obviously noted this with handing him (Lyon) control of the song"... You may have hit on something there - perhaps Clarke new before the start of the match that no one would be needed to sing the song... Hmm, amazing what an IPL contract does to your decision making - i.e. not bowling Pattinson properly when on top of Ind in the 1st Test, them making him the most used seam bowler once they got on top... Then stuffing up the squad for the 2nd Test - maybe someone needs to be swabbed?... :P ...

  • joseyesu on March 4, 2013, 3:15 GMT

    Nobody would have expected such a strange selection from Aus. Leaving out Lyon is one thing and bringing in Maxwell as an allrounder tag. I would have prefered Lyon and Doherty to go together and support each other.

  • Barnesy4444 on March 4, 2013, 4:35 GMT

    Lyon needs to slow down and think about each ball. He seems to rush between overs simply to allow the quicks to start their over 30 seconds earlier. He needs to learn subtle variation in speed, flight and spin. Did he watch Herath bowling? Where is Warney teaching Lyon these things? Why is Okeefe not in the squad? He is a left arm finger spinner much better than Doherty. Batsman fail, yes, but selectors fail too.

  • on March 4, 2013, 2:36 GMT

    Lyon should be persisted with. He's our best spinner. The funny thing is everyone getting in a panic over the ashes series ahead. I mean conditions will be much suited to our young and improving pace attack in england and australia than in india. I can see pattinson, bird, starc and siddle giving england a hard time in both series. Lyon or ahmed can chip in as the lone spinner. If this indian team came to australia now they would struggle against our pace attack. For me the only problem leading into the ashes is our top order. We're getting way to over reliant on clarke. Hussey was a huge loss. Usman has barely had anytime in the middle in the last 3 months. Why he wasn't given time in the middle in the odi's is beyond me. Unfortunately we are going through another transition phase with punter and huss retiring. so it may be time for australian fans to show some patience.

  • KhanMitch on March 3, 2013, 23:36 GMT

    Don't know whats happening here ,we all know Australia are not this bad . Personally I think its partly a lack of talent but more importantly its a case of confused and inconsistent selection policy which has had an effect on the confidence of the whole team and this series will only make the situation worse. Khawaja only gets a game or two at best but Cowan keeps going and going. And don't even get me started on Maxwell's selection over Lyon.I won't be critical on Doherty as he had 2 dropped catches from his bowling in good batting conditions. The series is seven days old and this was the most one-sided day of them all.

  • Shaggy076 on March 3, 2013, 22:49 GMT

    Lyon is the best we have his debut on Sri Lankan wickets was superb. In Australia he plays the role of a stopper for the paceman and has hurt his development a little. He gets one test on Indian soil and starts learning how to bowl on these wickets and he is dropped for Maxwell who barely rolls his arm over for Victoria. I note one shield game Cameron White bowled 18 overs Maxwell 5. Lyon has been doing his job for the side ever since he came into the team, Mike Husssey obviously noted this with handing him control of the song. The fact is he is still young in bowling terms and he will improve. The likes of Swann were late 20's before finally becoming a part of the England side - so get Lyon back in as his record is good and he will only improve from here.

  • Samdanh on March 4, 2013, 8:14 GMT

    One of the most unacceptable and un-professional reasoning provided for not bringing along Steven O'Keefe - ""Stephen O'Keefe has got a really good record," Arthur said. "Xavier Doherty bowled outstandingly well for us in the one-day series against Sri Lanka. Michael Beer would have been here if he didn't get injured. That caused us to reshuffle a little bit. We picked Xavier over Stephen primarily because we thought Xavier was bowling exceptionally well, which he was in the one-day series at that particular time." Will any balanced mind consider performance in ODI's for selection to play in Tests? Looks like the coach is designing for Aus to fail from growing from the loss of its veterans and ACB is a mere spectator

  • on March 4, 2013, 6:44 GMT

    Well, if anything, someone finally actually mentioned SOK. So at least they have actually heard of him!

  • on March 4, 2013, 6:08 GMT

    Complete trash from Mickey Arthur. Either he has no influence on selection decisions, or his is trying to put Lyon's axing as nicely as he can. If he was truly backing Lyon's ability, then he would pitch for him to keep playing. It was a matter of working with him in the nets and formulating a plan, which he could then put into play in Hyderabad. Playing a second rate spinner in his place, especially one with an ordinary first class record (Doherty) was definately not the right play - if Australian domestic batsmen can take him to pieces, then what hope does he have against Indian batsman who are regarded as much better players of spin.

  • zenboomerang on March 4, 2013, 3:37 GMT

    In the 1st Test Lyon bowled 52.5 overs for 4 wkts with econ @4.64 - not great but did his job that neither Siddle or Starc could do - same number of overs for just 1 wkt... So they replace him with Doherty & Maxwell whom have managed 36 overs for 0 wkts @3.88 - one extra batsman/bowler for zero effect... While Lyon managed 14 runs to Doherty Maxwell's 13 runs... To me, that works out that Lyon is more effective as a wkt taker & run scorer that the combined duo of the X Factor & the Big Thing... Perhaps Clarke should just look for Test players & not the "hit & giggle" showmanship brigade...

  • zenboomerang on March 4, 2013, 3:34 GMT

    @Shaggy076 :- "Mike Husssey obviously noted this with handing him (Lyon) control of the song"... You may have hit on something there - perhaps Clarke new before the start of the match that no one would be needed to sing the song... Hmm, amazing what an IPL contract does to your decision making - i.e. not bowling Pattinson properly when on top of Ind in the 1st Test, them making him the most used seam bowler once they got on top... Then stuffing up the squad for the 2nd Test - maybe someone needs to be swabbed?... :P ...

  • joseyesu on March 4, 2013, 3:15 GMT

    Nobody would have expected such a strange selection from Aus. Leaving out Lyon is one thing and bringing in Maxwell as an allrounder tag. I would have prefered Lyon and Doherty to go together and support each other.

  • Marif4 on March 4, 2013, 2:59 GMT

    Arthur is from South Africa & he should learn from Gary Kirsten, who did everything even without involving media, on the other hand Arthur is always in media. I heard a lot of his dialogue when India visited them in 2012, A good coach or player will focus on their work not on Media, take the name of any good player who even involve media at all, Dravid/Sachin/Graeme smith/Michael Clark/Stephen Fleming, Cook, Andy Flower & so on.

    Cricket is a game of day, if you have bad day or bad time, a great player like Sachin will get out on zero or will lose a very simple catch, same thing happened with Lyon, he should have been given one more chance. Good to see Australian like this as they had been dominating the world cricket for a very long time.

  • aracer on March 4, 2013, 1:58 GMT

    Has nobody on cricinfo noticed that Lyon will shortly step aside permanently as Australia's leading spinner in favour of Fawad Ahmed? Your spin cupboard isn't actually quite as bare as it seems (or at least it won't be in a few months time).

  • on March 4, 2013, 1:54 GMT

    "We picked Xavier over Stephen primarily because we thought Xavier was bowling exceptionally well, which he was in the one-day series at that particular time."

    That pretty much sums up the problems with our selectors. Newsflash: Test cricket and One-day cricket are different. How about looking at their long-game bowling records and seeing how things go?

  • Meety on March 4, 2013, 1:42 GMT

    I was not entirely happy with Arthurs appointment a year or so ago, & by no means are all the travails of the Ozzy side his fault, but the topic of SO'K annoys the crud out of me. He won't answer the question "Why did SO'K not make the tour?" At least on this occasion he now acknowledges that SO'K has a "...really good record..." - but to then say XD & Beer are basically ahead of him is lunacy. Beer has bowled 5,247 FC deliveries (not inc Tests) - he has taken 67 wickets in those deliveries - which is a S/R of 78, @ an ave of 39. SO'K takes his wickets at a S/R off 66 & ave of 28. He is light years ahead of Beer. The frustrating thing is, the brief appearances SO'K has made for Oz in T20s, (7 matches), he has outperformed Doherty (in his best format)! Ave of 24, S/R of 19 & E/R of 7.8 by SO'K is actually better than XDs ave of 34, S/R of 24 & E/R of 7.9. No KPI in favour of XD (although E/R is similar). Why can't SO'Ks short form be also considered for Test selection????

  • bobagorof on March 4, 2013, 1:28 GMT

    Xavier Doherty has been a selectors' favourite since he replaced Hauritz in the Ashes series a few years ago. He was a complete failure at Test level but continued to get picked for ODIs when Hogg retired. His 'outstanding' bowling in the recent ODI series included 3 wickets at 32 against Sri Lanka and 1 for 46 against West Indies (in which he played only 1 of the 5 games). He's taken 17 wickets at 43 in 17 ODI games over the past 12 months, and 6 wickets from his last 11 matches (at 50.16).

  • MrKistic on March 4, 2013, 1:10 GMT

    All Arthur's comments do here is prove that he should not be part of the selection committee. What he's said there is madness.

  • CustomKid on March 4, 2013, 0:48 GMT

    I'd given arthur and the selectors the benefit of the doubt, but after dropping lyon for maxwell and doherty that was the last straw. As unpatriotic as it is i said to a good friend of mine i hope India smash us just to reinforce how brainless their decision making had become. These two shouldnt be in their respective state teams let alone the national side. Dont get me started on cowan and watson. this is the first time in 25 years i couldnt careless about our national team. Time for another enquiry as the value of the baggy green has become a running joke. Team india, take some of allan borders advice and ground them into the dirt even more. RIP the baggy green.

  • xylo on March 4, 2013, 0:35 GMT

    With the tactics that Arthur is advising for his team, there is more likely to be a story in the near future with the headline - Lyon backs Arthur despite axe.

  • PeteB on March 4, 2013, 0:20 GMT

    Call me silly but you back a player by selecting them and not dropping them. I expect Mickey understands pace better than spin, considering the strength in South African cricket over the years. Citizenship for Fawad Ahmed!

  • MinusZero on March 4, 2013, 0:00 GMT

    In hindsight, Lyons career has probably been saved. He would have been lamb for the slaughter again and his career may have been over.

  • Surajdon9 on March 3, 2013, 23:18 GMT

    Back to South Africa, Mickey - and take Botha with you!

    Compare the Shield figures of Lyon and Botha, bowling for South Australia, then compare them with Sayers, Putland and Mennie (plus Richardson, Haberfield and George).

    Lyon was servicable at Test level (allowing also for the raft of missed chances by Wade which continued in the 1st Test against India) but his Shield performances showed that he was losing confidence on the back of media savaging over not running thru sides on Day 5 (Adelaide) and the total lack of support behind the the stumps - and he could not make a run for SA.

    He had lost his mojo in that final Shield match against Victoria - which SA won outright. .. The writing was on the wall then for the coach.

  • Rahulbose on March 3, 2013, 22:55 GMT

    Just admit the blunder and move on. This laundry list of excuses just makes it worse.

  • Behind_the_bowlers_arm on March 3, 2013, 22:02 GMT

    Doherty was picked over OKeefe because he bowled well in an ODI?? Ha ha And how many chances in some of these meaningless ODI 'trials' had O'Keefe had? Laughable nonsense. His figures mean he has deserved some sort of international chance and it is perverse he has been overlooked for bowlers with telephone numbers for averages. The selection of Maxwell has been discussed elsewhere. Suffice to say I still have no idea what it is based on. He isn't even a grade cricket level spinner. He bowls at a level I expect Justin Langer may have. Or maybe Matty Hayden.

  • on March 3, 2013, 21:22 GMT

    Hauritz bowled well in India the last time he was there (2004), and Boyce took a few wickets for the A side against the Poms. Picking Hauritz, Boyce and O'Keefe as your spinners could've been a whole lot better than these jokers that you've picked. Mickey, mate, I respect you and your judgements; I just think you've lost the plot a little.

  • Apocalypse_EX on March 3, 2013, 21:19 GMT

    "To force my way into the team I have to be taking bagfuls of wickets and that's what I'll be attempting to do with every opportunity I get." says O'Keefe. "Given the landscape of spinners I certainly am disappointed not to be in India. "I will never know unless I get a chance, but Iback my ability at Shield level and if I was given an opportunity I feel I would be ready to back my strengths."

  • Apocalypse_EX on March 3, 2013, 21:16 GMT

    Former Test leggie MacGill says he is as bemused as anybody over O'Keefe's Indian snub. He believes the left-arm finger-spinner should be in the frame to play in the second Test starting on Saturday. "I can't shed any light on it," MacGill said. "I have asked questions. When he wasn't picked (for India), I wanted to know if there was anything I should know about and nobody can tell me anything. "I don't know why you would pick Xavier Doherty over Steve O'Keefe. "For me it was always about wickets and runs, if you have the form you get picked for the next level. Xavier Doherty has taken two wickets, Steve has 17. "The guy can bowl ... I don't understand why he hasn't got the opportunity he deserves." O'Keefe, who has played seven Twenty20 games for Australia, is refusing to give up hope of wearing the baggy green. "With each passing year, I feel I'm improving. I would love the chance to show my wares atTest level," he said.(contd)

  • Apocalypse_EX on March 3, 2013, 21:16 GMT

    Former Test leggie MacGill says he is as bemused as anybody over O'Keefe's Indian snub. He believes the left-arm finger-spinner should be in the frame to play in the second Test starting on Saturday. "I can't shed any light on it," MacGill said. "I have asked questions. When he wasn't picked (for India), I wanted to know if there was anything I should know about and nobody can tell me anything. "I don't know why you would pick Xavier Doherty over Steve O'Keefe. "For me it was always about wickets and runs, if you have the form you get picked for the next level. Xavier Doherty has taken two wickets, Steve has 17. "The guy can bowl ... I don't understand why he hasn't got the opportunity he deserves." O'Keefe, who has played seven Twenty20 games for Australia, is refusing to give up hope of wearing the baggy green. "With each passing year, I feel I'm improving. I would love the chance to show my wares atTest level," he said.

  • Apocalypse_EX on March 3, 2013, 21:12 GMT

    "O'Keefe says he is unaware of any toxic tensions and has sought feedback via NSW talent chief David Freedman to advance his selection cause. "If I have got someone offside, I'm more thanhappy to work hard to improve. But as it stands I haven't heard a thing," he said. "If there is an issue with me, good, bad or indifferent, I'm willing to hear it and cop it onthe chin. "I have the belief that if I got the chance to play Test cricket that I would be able to do well. "Clearly I have to get more wickets and keep performing. But some feedback along the way would be nice and I'm going through the right channels at the moment to work out how I can develop and improve. "Dave Freedman is our conduit to the selection panel. Speaking to a third person can sometimes be easier so hopefully Cricket NSW can speak to John Inverarity and pass something on to me. "To play for Australia you have to be performing consistently and I feel I'm doing that." (contd)

  • SillyMidPavilion on March 3, 2013, 21:09 GMT

    @yorkshire-86 Beer is out injured, and Hauritz hasn't been performing well enough at first class level.

  • Simoc on March 3, 2013, 20:44 GMT

    Though Lyon is our best he does need to stop bowling full tosses and long hops so regularly or at all. It's just not test standard. It's expected from a leggie but not the offie. Stuart McGill reckons India is the worst place to bowl spin for him and Warnes figures there would never win anything. I think on tour Clarke, Arthur and only one of the selectors pick the team. So Clarke & Arthur have most say. Is that right?

  • Jaffa79 on March 3, 2013, 20:33 GMT

    How does Arthur still rate Lyon when he doesn't pick him on a raging turner and instead picks two of the worst spinners in the history of Test cricket? I'd say that suggests the opposite! From the selectors to the coach to the team, this Australian outfit is an absolute joke. This could be a long year! Ha ha!

  • on March 3, 2013, 20:20 GMT

    @SugarFoot: I can understand your concern. But sadly, it doesn't work that way. You cannot MANUFACTURE spin bowlers. They are BORN. Of course, they do need some help along the way but the talent and skills should be an intrinsic part of the cricketer. You can't teach a young lad in Australia to show up to an academy and teach him how to bowl off spin or leg spin. The guy should have a love towards the craft to begin with. Looking from the outside, it's pretty obvious many Australian youngsters are deeply in love with T20 cricket and other pro leagues. They are also a part of the modern 'Playstation' generation who would rather play video games in their spare time than walk down to a local cricket club and practice in the nets. Test cricket needs special skills. It's a special format of this glorious game. T20, and ODIs are just marketing schemes to draw new fans. Test cricket is the ultimate. I am sure you know this. So it's not just academies, it's about raw talent. Warne was unique.

  • RandyOZ on March 3, 2013, 19:36 GMT

    Why are we picking test players based on one-day form? I am over this.

  • blink182alex on March 3, 2013, 19:22 GMT

    order of our best spinners: 1. Lyon, 2. Holland, 3. O'Keefe 4. Beer 5. Hauritz 6. Agar 7. Doherty 8. Clarke 9. Boyce 10. Zampa

    Doherty is a odi bowler who bowls half volleys, he had 2 wickets in 4 shield matches this season and gets selected cos of a few reasonable odi's. Maxwell is so overated it's unbelievable. Selectors wanted a left armer to turn it away from right handers and to offer support with the bat at no 8 - hmmm perfect role for O'Keefe.

    Team should of been: Warner, Watson, Rogers, Clarke, Voges, Wade, Henriques, O'Keefe, Pattinson, Siddle, Lyon.

    Your one day bits and peices players can hide in that format, but in test cricket you will get found out. And they have been found wanting.

  • on March 3, 2013, 19:09 GMT

    What has Hauritz done / not done to remain so far out of the set up? He has always struck me as a much better bet than either Doherty or Beer. Or Maxwell and Steve Smith for that matter.

  • bumsonseats on March 3, 2013, 19:08 GMT

    not that long ago we were told he was the greatest spinner in world cricket, can you remember was it Jo or Ra one of those 2

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on March 3, 2013, 19:07 GMT

    So, what's he saying? Axing means supporting? Hate to break it down for you, but that was a glaring blunder.

  • rezmata on March 3, 2013, 17:44 GMT

    Well Arthur u GOT TO back Lyon up coz ur cupboard is bare, and u dont know to pick the right assets for the cupboard - they are playing Sheffield shield matches.

  • SugarFoot on March 3, 2013, 17:24 GMT

    Haha - you guys are still talking about Beer and Hauritz? Or Doherty versus Lyons? Your comparing apples with apples.

    Face it my friends. They are no Shane Warne or Stuart MacGill.

    None of them are game winners.

    Don't lower the bar guys please !!!

  • SyedAreYouDumb on March 3, 2013, 17:18 GMT

    I think lyon is quality, its just that India play spin well and lyon has never had the luxury of playing on a spinners wicket. Hes a professional he will learn.

  • gsingh7 on March 3, 2013, 17:15 GMT

    maybe sachin assault in 2nd innings was decisive to cause lyon's exclusion. doherty is miles better than lyon. atleast doherty was not hit for sixes and bowled economically. i wud expect another double hundred from an aus spinner tomorrow.

  • yorkshire-86 on March 3, 2013, 17:04 GMT

    Docerty is probably the worst spinner I've seen in Australian colours for years. Is it the same man that vanished for nearly 400 on debut? Strange thing is, they have class spinners like Hauritz and Beer yet they keep picking no hopers like Docherty and Lyon...

  • bumsonseats on March 3, 2013, 16:59 GMT

    it was a remarkable innings not only has he not played like that before or so long. it should be taken as a one off innings. i can remember rod marsh talking about an innings against england i think but i am not certain, were he said he just felt in the zone and that he could not do wrong.and it should be taken as such. he should have been selected, he was picked 1st choice spinner and not playing i feel is worse for him no matter what a coach says his confidence will be worse for him been dropped

  • AKS286 on March 3, 2013, 16:58 GMT

    haha good tactics Arthur. actually Lyon is not axed. rest is provided to him since debut to the Path of being World's greatest spinner in the history of world cricket he never took rest. he will be back after the loss of 2nd test.

  • SugarFoot on March 3, 2013, 16:56 GMT

    The quickest path to healing our bleeding wounded Australian cricket team is to deal with the truth. Our spinners are not game changers. Our spinners are not attacking. Our spinners lack aggression. Our spinners are not as good as our opposition.

    Lets compare our spinners shall we? Or should we just come to the conclusion that any name I throw at you in the following list , in reality, are part of a bunch of Australian spin bowlers that have no impact. 1. Doherty 2. Hauritz 3. Lyon 4. Maxwell 5. Okeefe 6. Smith 7. I cant bring myself to write any more names ....

    I am an Australian cricket fan. I love our Australian cricket culture. I will always support my team but I refuse to sit around and watch the legacy of our once all mighty Australians who dominated this game for 20 years - suffer the same treacherous fate of the West Indies from the 1980's. No way!

    We need a spin academy to breed a new culture of spinners. Ask Shane Warne politely to run it ..and .. lets start again :)

  • on March 3, 2013, 16:53 GMT

    Lyon is actually one who turns the ball and can bowl 6 deliveries on same spot. Can extract bounce as well. He needed someone like doherty bowling at the other end. Shame he didnt get that.

  • bumsonseats on March 3, 2013, 16:51 GMT

    we need a change of styles from off spinner to leg spinner that may work better for the aussies

  • DylanBrah on March 3, 2013, 16:32 GMT

    @Webba84 - He didn't even bowl that well during the ODI series. He took 3 wickets in 5 matches @32 - then backed that up with 1/46 against the Windies. From which galaxy does Mickey Arthur come from to call that "outstanding"... it is certainly not good enough to demand a spot in the TEST squad over a proven shield performer (something Doherty is not)! X has already been humiliated at Test level (in front of his Mum and Dad) -- why do that to the poor bloke again???!

  • analyseabhishek on March 3, 2013, 16:23 GMT

    Lyon hadn't bowled badly at Chennai and is dismissal of Tendulkar was a magnificent delivery. Dhoni played a superb knock and luckily for India, muddled Australia's thinking into dropping their only spinner of some class!

  • DylanBrah on March 3, 2013, 16:06 GMT

    Xavier Doherty never bowls well. Wake up to yourself Mickey.

  • Webba84 on March 3, 2013, 16:00 GMT

    Curious as to why Dohertys one day form is considered more important for test selection than OKeefes Shield form. Especially concerning Spinners where there is a big gulf between the two forms of the game in what is required.

  • Webba84 on March 3, 2013, 16:00 GMT

    Curious as to why Dohertys one day form is considered more important for test selection than OKeefes Shield form. Especially concerning Spinners where there is a big gulf between the two forms of the game in what is required.

  • DylanBrah on March 3, 2013, 16:06 GMT

    Xavier Doherty never bowls well. Wake up to yourself Mickey.

  • analyseabhishek on March 3, 2013, 16:23 GMT

    Lyon hadn't bowled badly at Chennai and is dismissal of Tendulkar was a magnificent delivery. Dhoni played a superb knock and luckily for India, muddled Australia's thinking into dropping their only spinner of some class!

  • DylanBrah on March 3, 2013, 16:32 GMT

    @Webba84 - He didn't even bowl that well during the ODI series. He took 3 wickets in 5 matches @32 - then backed that up with 1/46 against the Windies. From which galaxy does Mickey Arthur come from to call that "outstanding"... it is certainly not good enough to demand a spot in the TEST squad over a proven shield performer (something Doherty is not)! X has already been humiliated at Test level (in front of his Mum and Dad) -- why do that to the poor bloke again???!

  • bumsonseats on March 3, 2013, 16:51 GMT

    we need a change of styles from off spinner to leg spinner that may work better for the aussies

  • on March 3, 2013, 16:53 GMT

    Lyon is actually one who turns the ball and can bowl 6 deliveries on same spot. Can extract bounce as well. He needed someone like doherty bowling at the other end. Shame he didnt get that.

  • SugarFoot on March 3, 2013, 16:56 GMT

    The quickest path to healing our bleeding wounded Australian cricket team is to deal with the truth. Our spinners are not game changers. Our spinners are not attacking. Our spinners lack aggression. Our spinners are not as good as our opposition.

    Lets compare our spinners shall we? Or should we just come to the conclusion that any name I throw at you in the following list , in reality, are part of a bunch of Australian spin bowlers that have no impact. 1. Doherty 2. Hauritz 3. Lyon 4. Maxwell 5. Okeefe 6. Smith 7. I cant bring myself to write any more names ....

    I am an Australian cricket fan. I love our Australian cricket culture. I will always support my team but I refuse to sit around and watch the legacy of our once all mighty Australians who dominated this game for 20 years - suffer the same treacherous fate of the West Indies from the 1980's. No way!

    We need a spin academy to breed a new culture of spinners. Ask Shane Warne politely to run it ..and .. lets start again :)

  • AKS286 on March 3, 2013, 16:58 GMT

    haha good tactics Arthur. actually Lyon is not axed. rest is provided to him since debut to the Path of being World's greatest spinner in the history of world cricket he never took rest. he will be back after the loss of 2nd test.

  • bumsonseats on March 3, 2013, 16:59 GMT

    it was a remarkable innings not only has he not played like that before or so long. it should be taken as a one off innings. i can remember rod marsh talking about an innings against england i think but i am not certain, were he said he just felt in the zone and that he could not do wrong.and it should be taken as such. he should have been selected, he was picked 1st choice spinner and not playing i feel is worse for him no matter what a coach says his confidence will be worse for him been dropped

  • yorkshire-86 on March 3, 2013, 17:04 GMT

    Docerty is probably the worst spinner I've seen in Australian colours for years. Is it the same man that vanished for nearly 400 on debut? Strange thing is, they have class spinners like Hauritz and Beer yet they keep picking no hopers like Docherty and Lyon...