India v Australia, 2nd Test, Hyderabad, 3rd day March 3, 2013

Warne's advice helped - Doherty

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Xavier Doherty has said Shane Warne's words of advice helped both him and Glenn Maxwell keep their confidence up as they struggled for impact on the difficult second day in Hyderabad. Doherty and Maxwell eventually earned some rewards after toiling through a 370-run stand between Cheteshwar Pujara and M Vijay, the third-highest Test partnership ever compiled against Australia for any wicket by any country.

Maxwell broke the stand when he had Vijay caught tucking a ball to leg slip and it started a more pleasant period for the team in which they collected 9 for 116. Maxwell finished with 4 for 127 and Doherty picked up 3 for 131. After the day's play, Doherty said the 20-minute meeting Warne had with the players after the loss in Chennai had reminded them that even the best foreign spinners have found India a tough assignment.

"We knew it was going to be hard. They're very good players of spin," Doherty said. "Warnie came down and spoke to the spinning group post first Test and he said he averaged 45 over here, Murali averaged 47 or something like that - I'm not sure if they're accurate but that's what he said. So some of the best bowlers in the world do battle over here.

"We knew it was going to be tough but it's just about grinding away. They weren't just going to walk off. You've got to keep going and really try to apply some pressure and move your field and just try little things, which is what we did. Maxi got that breakthrough and after that it got a little bit easier. I was prepared. The two Tests I've played previously were that tough. I know how tough it can be."

Doherty turned a few balls past the bat and had a very close lbw shout turned down when Pujara was on 174 but eventually claimed his first wicket when R Ashwin edged to second slip. Before that delivery, Doherty's Test bowling average had crept up to 143.33, but by the end of the innings his three wickets had brought it down to 72.83. He conceded that until the edge from Ashwin, it felt like a breakthrough just wasn't going to come.

"It was starting to look that way, particularly with that close lbw which I thought was pretty good," Doherty said. "Things just didn't seem to be going my way. I was trying to work out my Test bowling average there at one stage because I came into the game at a hundred. In the last five or six overs, it was just more pleasing how the ball started to come out. It did take a while for it to take a bit of rhythm. To get a couple of wickets was nice as well."

Doherty knows that his place in the team is far from secure and that offspinner Nathan Lyon will be in contention for a recall for the third Test in Mohali. A phlegmatic type of player who takes criticism in his stride and knows his game well, Doherty said he was not fussed by the debate around his place in the team, including comments from Stuart MacGill last week that he "is not a Test bowler".

"I am well aware there are people that want me in the team and people that don't want me in the team," he said, "but that is the nature of being at this level."

Brydon Coverdale is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo. He tweets here

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  • POSTED BY Blokey on | March 5, 2013, 6:02 GMT

    I might add that two genuine spinners on this track - say Lyon and O'Keefe/Hauritz - would have been very interesting to watch. Ashwin is no great bowler, about the same as the guys mentioned above, statistically speaking. The conditions are making him look good, combined with inexperienced batsmen in the these conditions. Actually, O'Keefe's stats are better at first class level, at least in terms of averages.

  • POSTED BY Blokey on | March 5, 2013, 5:58 GMT

    I'm afraid the reality is that the pitch is rolled mud, and has been a spinner's paradise since the middle of day 3. No doubt Doherty and Maxwell did what was expected of them - in the end. But on this track, all a spinner has to do is land the ball, and the wickets will flow. The last 18 wickets in the game have fallen for 240 odd runs, all but 2 of them to spin if I am correct. The team batting last in India is almost always going to lose. Australia haven't scored enough 1st innings runs to take advantage of batting first.

  • POSTED BY on | March 5, 2013, 5:47 GMT

    yes warne advice helped to bowl in INDIA not to take wickets at the needed time

  • POSTED BY on | March 5, 2013, 5:26 GMT

    Cricket Australia and its selectors have made some peculiar decisions this summer, however the dropping of Lyon is the worst selection blunder in living memory and confirms their incompetence. What possible justification is there for this decision? He is a genuine wicket taker who in the last game took the wickets of Sehwag, Tendulkar, Kohli and Ashwin. It is unacceptable to say they have blundered 'in hindsight' when every man and his dog was criticising the decision at the time it was made. It is time for CA to acknowledge the poor performance of its cricket department and implement changes to restore the confidence of the Australian cricketing public.

  • POSTED BY on | March 5, 2013, 4:57 GMT

    Yeah it really helped - Doherty did awesome... oh wait...

    He is a terrible spinner and should never have been on this tour. He only was because of injuries and for some reason the selectors hate O'Keefe.

    Doherty wouldn't get in the Zimbabwe test team for heaven sake.

  • POSTED BY Meety on | March 5, 2013, 2:57 GMT

    "I am well aware there are people that want me in the team and people that don't want me in the team," - a shame, but true. He did show a lot of charactor though in finishing off the tail. Whilst I was probably one of a fair few that were a bit underwhelmed by his selection in the squad - at the expense of demonstrably better Shield performer, Doherty did bowl 15 maidens & his run rate was below 3 rpo. If you can't take wickets - don't give runs away, & he sort of achieved that. He took 30 runs off his bowling average in the process. == == == Maxwell's selection in the Oz team caused plenty of comments, but you HAVE to say, he is consistant. He is statistically good at FC level, & he bettered those figures in one innings. Although going @ near 5 rpo was not what Oz wanted. I would have to say that his bowling performance as a batting allrounder - was above par, as a specialist spinner - probably about par. Pity his batting was a fail! Got a feeling he MIGHT make some runs today!

  • POSTED BY jmcilhinney on | March 5, 2013, 2:48 GMT

    @Mervin John on (March 4, 2013, 20:20 GMT), the likelihood of Panesar playing in the Ashes is pretty much nil unless Swann gets injured. Remember that he sat out one Test in each of UAE, SL and India so do you really think they'll play him in tandem with Swann at home when they're reticent to do it in those conditions? Swann will no doubt be looking forward to bowling to so many lefties but, like England, Australia are likely to play spin a bit differently when not on tailor-made pitches. This performance by Australia doesn't necessarily mean lots of wickets for England spinners in the Ashes but I would still expect Swann particularly to be a significant factor.

  • POSTED BY Viru219 on | March 5, 2013, 2:04 GMT

    Winning Combination with Order of Batting for 3rd Test: 1. Cowan 2. Watson 3. Warner 4. Clarke 5. Henriques 6. Wade 7. Maxwel 8. Siddle 9. Patttinson 10. Lyon 11. Dohery

  • POSTED BY TRAM on | March 5, 2013, 2:01 GMT

    This is something I just dont understand.. The retired greats such as Warne/Murali/McGarth have to travel and volunteer for free coaching? I do see some even go as commentators. But I feel many are not hired as specialist coaches for the next generation. I feel these experts' talents are wasted. Why dont we see these greats like Warne/Murali/McGarth/ etc etc not being hired by the respective boards to help the next gen teams? Is it financial issue OR ego issues OR the players (in the current national team) dont ask for it? OR the current hired coaches would not allow that? It also needs to happen "in time". For example Warne as of now can demonstrate what he teaches. After some years he may not be able to do that. So would be the pace bowlers. They need to be used immediately after their retirement - for the benefit of maintaining / improving cricket quality.

  • POSTED BY Amit_4_Sachin on | March 5, 2013, 1:49 GMT

    What a joke! He got wickets only when Indian batsmen started slogging.

  • POSTED BY Blokey on | March 5, 2013, 6:02 GMT

    I might add that two genuine spinners on this track - say Lyon and O'Keefe/Hauritz - would have been very interesting to watch. Ashwin is no great bowler, about the same as the guys mentioned above, statistically speaking. The conditions are making him look good, combined with inexperienced batsmen in the these conditions. Actually, O'Keefe's stats are better at first class level, at least in terms of averages.

  • POSTED BY Blokey on | March 5, 2013, 5:58 GMT

    I'm afraid the reality is that the pitch is rolled mud, and has been a spinner's paradise since the middle of day 3. No doubt Doherty and Maxwell did what was expected of them - in the end. But on this track, all a spinner has to do is land the ball, and the wickets will flow. The last 18 wickets in the game have fallen for 240 odd runs, all but 2 of them to spin if I am correct. The team batting last in India is almost always going to lose. Australia haven't scored enough 1st innings runs to take advantage of batting first.

  • POSTED BY on | March 5, 2013, 5:47 GMT

    yes warne advice helped to bowl in INDIA not to take wickets at the needed time

  • POSTED BY on | March 5, 2013, 5:26 GMT

    Cricket Australia and its selectors have made some peculiar decisions this summer, however the dropping of Lyon is the worst selection blunder in living memory and confirms their incompetence. What possible justification is there for this decision? He is a genuine wicket taker who in the last game took the wickets of Sehwag, Tendulkar, Kohli and Ashwin. It is unacceptable to say they have blundered 'in hindsight' when every man and his dog was criticising the decision at the time it was made. It is time for CA to acknowledge the poor performance of its cricket department and implement changes to restore the confidence of the Australian cricketing public.

  • POSTED BY on | March 5, 2013, 4:57 GMT

    Yeah it really helped - Doherty did awesome... oh wait...

    He is a terrible spinner and should never have been on this tour. He only was because of injuries and for some reason the selectors hate O'Keefe.

    Doherty wouldn't get in the Zimbabwe test team for heaven sake.

  • POSTED BY Meety on | March 5, 2013, 2:57 GMT

    "I am well aware there are people that want me in the team and people that don't want me in the team," - a shame, but true. He did show a lot of charactor though in finishing off the tail. Whilst I was probably one of a fair few that were a bit underwhelmed by his selection in the squad - at the expense of demonstrably better Shield performer, Doherty did bowl 15 maidens & his run rate was below 3 rpo. If you can't take wickets - don't give runs away, & he sort of achieved that. He took 30 runs off his bowling average in the process. == == == Maxwell's selection in the Oz team caused plenty of comments, but you HAVE to say, he is consistant. He is statistically good at FC level, & he bettered those figures in one innings. Although going @ near 5 rpo was not what Oz wanted. I would have to say that his bowling performance as a batting allrounder - was above par, as a specialist spinner - probably about par. Pity his batting was a fail! Got a feeling he MIGHT make some runs today!

  • POSTED BY jmcilhinney on | March 5, 2013, 2:48 GMT

    @Mervin John on (March 4, 2013, 20:20 GMT), the likelihood of Panesar playing in the Ashes is pretty much nil unless Swann gets injured. Remember that he sat out one Test in each of UAE, SL and India so do you really think they'll play him in tandem with Swann at home when they're reticent to do it in those conditions? Swann will no doubt be looking forward to bowling to so many lefties but, like England, Australia are likely to play spin a bit differently when not on tailor-made pitches. This performance by Australia doesn't necessarily mean lots of wickets for England spinners in the Ashes but I would still expect Swann particularly to be a significant factor.

  • POSTED BY Viru219 on | March 5, 2013, 2:04 GMT

    Winning Combination with Order of Batting for 3rd Test: 1. Cowan 2. Watson 3. Warner 4. Clarke 5. Henriques 6. Wade 7. Maxwel 8. Siddle 9. Patttinson 10. Lyon 11. Dohery

  • POSTED BY TRAM on | March 5, 2013, 2:01 GMT

    This is something I just dont understand.. The retired greats such as Warne/Murali/McGarth have to travel and volunteer for free coaching? I do see some even go as commentators. But I feel many are not hired as specialist coaches for the next generation. I feel these experts' talents are wasted. Why dont we see these greats like Warne/Murali/McGarth/ etc etc not being hired by the respective boards to help the next gen teams? Is it financial issue OR ego issues OR the players (in the current national team) dont ask for it? OR the current hired coaches would not allow that? It also needs to happen "in time". For example Warne as of now can demonstrate what he teaches. After some years he may not be able to do that. So would be the pace bowlers. They need to be used immediately after their retirement - for the benefit of maintaining / improving cricket quality.

  • POSTED BY Amit_4_Sachin on | March 5, 2013, 1:49 GMT

    What a joke! He got wickets only when Indian batsmen started slogging.

  • POSTED BY Liquefierrrr on | March 5, 2013, 1:44 GMT

    @Front-Foot-Lunge - wow, that comment actually was thoughtful and not simply anti-Australian, are you feeling OK?

    I couldn't agree with you more. Swann is a massive turner of the ball and he relies upon that and subtle variations to his craft and also his pace and flight and it works.

    They need to wipe these spinners out and start afresh, but do that at grassroots level. I'm talking Agar, Turner, Zampa. Blood them in the FC scene by giving them huge opportunities in Aus, send them to County and do Aus A tours of India.

    I'm tired of watching a bunch of 'spinners' just spearing the ball in. If you look at the averages of these spear-chuckers, their t20 is generally good, their List A is alright and their FC is poor, often over 40 runs per wicket. This is because the longer the format the less a team has to score quickly. They just sit back, playing out 85km/h mediums and wait for the inevitable bad one.

    Aus NSP need to give these young kids, who can actually turn the ball, support.

  • POSTED BY Mad_Hamish on | March 5, 2013, 1:04 GMT

    @Mervin John while England is a very strong favourite for both the Ashes series I don't think they'd be reading too much into what's happening in India. The conditions in India, England and Australia are sufficiently different that spinners have to bowl significantly differently and completely different approaches to playing spinners can work (check Harbi's figures in Australia vs his figures in India vs Aus)

  • POSTED BY Vindaliew on | March 5, 2013, 0:17 GMT

    My advice to Doherty is to stop thinking about his average - no good ever comes out of that, and you'll just stress yourself. Just work at getting the batsmen out, and the average is just a consequence.

  • POSTED BY Nerk on | March 4, 2013, 23:33 GMT

    Look at it this way. At the moment Doherty's bowling average is better in India than it is in Australia.

  • POSTED BY SillyMidPavilion on | March 4, 2013, 22:49 GMT

    @Venkat_Super_11 I'll be pleasantly surprised if India has to bat again. Our batsmen have already lost us this Test, it won't matter how well Doherty or Maxwell bowl, if they even have to. As for our batsmen, it seems that only Clarke, Wade, Henriques and to a lesser extent Cowan and Watson can bat against spin.

  • POSTED BY blink182alex on | March 4, 2013, 22:19 GMT

    Doherty didn't disgrace himself with his bowling and should play in the next test. The thing which may hurt rather than help us is that Maxwell got 4 wickets, the selectors will probably use that to try and justify his selection in the next test, but he really shouldn't be in the side.

    It's our batting that has cost us this test match though.

  • POSTED BY Venkat_Super_11 on | March 4, 2013, 20:51 GMT

    ""I am well aware there are people that want me in the team and people that don't want me in the team," he said, "but that is the nature of being at this level." "

    Hi Doherty, these words were really touching. Yes, there are always guys like this--just go and express yourself and you will reap rewards. Even legendary bowlers have been hammered in India and similarly, even the part timers have received accolades when they have bowled in India. So don't worry, just have confidence in yourself and go about it. Who knows, you may win this game for your team if your batsmen manage to score 500 in their second innings and you get the ball to bowl out our Indian batsmen who will fall like a stack of cards. Good luck.

  • POSTED BY on | March 4, 2013, 20:40 GMT

    @Erica Herewini, care to read the news piece?

  • POSTED BY on | March 4, 2013, 20:20 GMT

    I dont believe Warne told them about variation, consistency and being economical. Everyone complains about playing in India is rough. Thats no excuse, its rough because India's formidable batting line-up puts a psychological effect on them even before the game starts. If you put the ball the right places and be consistent, there is no reason to fear, you must defeat the opponent.

    Don't forget England is watching and already looks like there's no competition for the Ashes series. They have already studied Ausies weakness and Swan and Panesar cannot wait for destrustion day.

  • POSTED BY on | March 4, 2013, 19:31 GMT

    Pleased that advice from the best leg spinner ever helped the team today! It would have been easy to capitulate but the bowlers stuck at their task and reaped their rewards. Nice to see the much maligned Glenn Maxwell take a few wickets on debut.

  • POSTED BY Front-Foot-Lunge on | March 4, 2013, 17:24 GMT

    Some advice to any person wanting the job as an Australian spin bowler: Take a look at videos of Graeme Swann bowling. Why?- Because of the number of revolutions he puts on the ball. That's why he's the long-established biggest turner of the ball in world cricket - he spins it a mile. That's one of the aspects that makes him so difficult to play, he's spent his life bowling the likes of Ponting and Tendulkar through the gate. As we've seen from this tour (and many saw it coming), Australia don't have a spinner who can turn it even on Indian pitches.

    Australia need to make a start on this 'Rebuilding Phase'. It will probably take them quite a few years, but they should try to begin it now.

  • POSTED BY crashed on | March 4, 2013, 17:22 GMT

    With warne's history i guess hindsight = 20/20 :p

  • POSTED BY on | March 4, 2013, 17:05 GMT

    Warne got bashed in India himself. Whats he got to say?

  • POSTED BY Harinasi on | March 4, 2013, 16:20 GMT

    Aussies just back up just players, he looks honest enough about his cricket. Reward honesty.

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  • POSTED BY Harinasi on | March 4, 2013, 16:20 GMT

    Aussies just back up just players, he looks honest enough about his cricket. Reward honesty.

  • POSTED BY on | March 4, 2013, 17:05 GMT

    Warne got bashed in India himself. Whats he got to say?

  • POSTED BY crashed on | March 4, 2013, 17:22 GMT

    With warne's history i guess hindsight = 20/20 :p

  • POSTED BY Front-Foot-Lunge on | March 4, 2013, 17:24 GMT

    Some advice to any person wanting the job as an Australian spin bowler: Take a look at videos of Graeme Swann bowling. Why?- Because of the number of revolutions he puts on the ball. That's why he's the long-established biggest turner of the ball in world cricket - he spins it a mile. That's one of the aspects that makes him so difficult to play, he's spent his life bowling the likes of Ponting and Tendulkar through the gate. As we've seen from this tour (and many saw it coming), Australia don't have a spinner who can turn it even on Indian pitches.

    Australia need to make a start on this 'Rebuilding Phase'. It will probably take them quite a few years, but they should try to begin it now.

  • POSTED BY on | March 4, 2013, 19:31 GMT

    Pleased that advice from the best leg spinner ever helped the team today! It would have been easy to capitulate but the bowlers stuck at their task and reaped their rewards. Nice to see the much maligned Glenn Maxwell take a few wickets on debut.

  • POSTED BY on | March 4, 2013, 20:20 GMT

    I dont believe Warne told them about variation, consistency and being economical. Everyone complains about playing in India is rough. Thats no excuse, its rough because India's formidable batting line-up puts a psychological effect on them even before the game starts. If you put the ball the right places and be consistent, there is no reason to fear, you must defeat the opponent.

    Don't forget England is watching and already looks like there's no competition for the Ashes series. They have already studied Ausies weakness and Swan and Panesar cannot wait for destrustion day.

  • POSTED BY on | March 4, 2013, 20:40 GMT

    @Erica Herewini, care to read the news piece?

  • POSTED BY Venkat_Super_11 on | March 4, 2013, 20:51 GMT

    ""I am well aware there are people that want me in the team and people that don't want me in the team," he said, "but that is the nature of being at this level." "

    Hi Doherty, these words were really touching. Yes, there are always guys like this--just go and express yourself and you will reap rewards. Even legendary bowlers have been hammered in India and similarly, even the part timers have received accolades when they have bowled in India. So don't worry, just have confidence in yourself and go about it. Who knows, you may win this game for your team if your batsmen manage to score 500 in their second innings and you get the ball to bowl out our Indian batsmen who will fall like a stack of cards. Good luck.

  • POSTED BY blink182alex on | March 4, 2013, 22:19 GMT

    Doherty didn't disgrace himself with his bowling and should play in the next test. The thing which may hurt rather than help us is that Maxwell got 4 wickets, the selectors will probably use that to try and justify his selection in the next test, but he really shouldn't be in the side.

    It's our batting that has cost us this test match though.

  • POSTED BY SillyMidPavilion on | March 4, 2013, 22:49 GMT

    @Venkat_Super_11 I'll be pleasantly surprised if India has to bat again. Our batsmen have already lost us this Test, it won't matter how well Doherty or Maxwell bowl, if they even have to. As for our batsmen, it seems that only Clarke, Wade, Henriques and to a lesser extent Cowan and Watson can bat against spin.