England in India 2011

Pietersen returns as Meaker gets call

Andrew McGlashan

September 27, 2011

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Kevin Pietersen walks down the paddock before the qualifying session for the Italian Formula One Grand Prix, Monza, September 10, 2011
Kevin Pietersen's presence on England's tour of India remains a major talking point © Getty Images
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The uncapped Surrey fast bowler, Stuart Meaker, has been called into England's one-day squad for their tour of India next week, after the selectors chose to rest their senior paceman, James Anderson, for the five-match ODI series. Kevin Pietersen, who was rested for the home ODI series against India, as well as the two Twenty20s against West Indies at The Oval, has been recalled.

Meaker is yet another player to have been born in South Africa, but like his fellow Surrey seamer, Jade Dernbach, he learnt his cricket in England, in his case at Cranleigh School in Surrey. He has spent the last two winters on the ECB's Fast Bowling Programme, and made his debut for England Lions against Sri Lanka A this summer.

The Warwickshire allrounder Chris Woakes has also been called into the squad, along with the Durham legspinner, Scott Borthwick, who impressed with a spell of 1 for 15 in his four overs against West Indies on Sunday. Anderson, who has had a heavy workload this summer, will be allowed a break from international cricket until the squad travels to the UAE in January for their Test and ODI series against Pakistan, while Durham's Ben Stokes has not been selected so that he can undergo a rehabilitation programme on a finger injury.

Two additional players, Jos Buttler (Somerset) and Alex Hales (Nottinghamshire), will join the squad ahead of the Twenty20 fixture on 29 October, almost certainly to replace the ODI captain, Alastair Cook, and the Test and ODI No. 3, Jonathan Trott. Assuming he recovers from a shoulder injury, Stuart Broad, the Twenty20 captain, will link up with the squad in Kolkata ahead of the one-off fixture on October 29. Otherwise Graeme Swann will continue as captain.

"This squad contains an exciting balance of experienced international cricketers along with some very talented younger players who can play the high quality limited-overs cricket needed to challenge India," said the national selector, Geoff Miller. "A number of injuries and a decision to omit James Anderson in line with our policy of sensibly managing player workloads give opportunities for other very talented players to continue to develop as international cricketers.

"We had a promising one-day series win over India earlier this month and this squad will be looking forward to the challenge of continuing that success in the sub-continent over the next four weeks," added Miller. "The additions to the squad for the Twenty20 fixture will strengthen the squad and provide Jos Buttler and Alex Hales with valuable experience of playing in the subcontinent.

"Stuart Broad is currently undergoing a period of rehabilitation for a shoulder injury, however he will join the squad in India if he completes his rehabilitation programme ahead of schedule," said Miller. "Graeme Swann will once again lead the Twenty20 side if Stuart is unable to join the squad."

Regardless of how much significance was attached to England's 25-run defeat in the second of those T20s on Sunday, their failure to chase 114 on a turning deck served to emphasise the challenge that confronts the squad in the coming series. Batting against spin bowling on dusty, slow surfaces will - if India are serious about exacting some measure of revenge for their humbling recent tour - be the regular formula during the five ODIs and Twenty20 match.

With that in mind, the recall of Pietersen is significant, especially in light of reports that he was set to retire from the limited-overs format. However, a series against India on home soil isn't the best place for complete experimentation, and with Eoin Morgan ruled out until January, England's middle order does need a dose of experience.

Cook and Trott will obviously be included - and the debate about the top three won't be far behind - but without Pietersen the slots from No. 4 to No. 6 would have been a little light on proven ability, despite Ravi Bopara's recent performances and Jonny Bairstow's confident debut.

Pietersen, though, is under some serious pressure. His ODI average over the last two years is 23.30 and his last hundred came against India, at Cuttack, shortly before he lost the captaincy. While his Test and Twenty20 form has recovered, that revival hasn't transferred to 50 overs. Perhaps it's a lack of motivation with ODIs not providing the fulsome challenge of Test cricket or instant thrill of 20 overs. This series could be his last chance to show he really has the hunger to play all three formats. The Pietersen of 2008 would clearly enhance a developing side, but the Pietersen of 2009-2011 is a spare part.

A number of the younger players that were selected against West Indies will be heading to India. Borthwick impressed against West Indies, and has nudged in ahead of Danny Briggs, the Hampshire left-arm spinner, who didn't get a game in those fixtures. It's also an important tour for Samit Patel who needs to put in consistent all-round displays and prove his fitness levels in testing conditions.

The pace attack will once again be without Broad or Anderson, which will give another opportunity to the improving Steven Finn after he regularly touched 90mph towards the end of the season. Bowling in the subcontinent will be another stage in his development but he'll be able to tap into the knowledge of his debut Test series against Bangladesh.

ODI squad Alastair Cook (capt), Jonathan Bairstow, Ian Bell, Ravi Bopara, Scott Borthwick, Tim Bresnan, Jade Dernbach, Steven Finn, Craig Kieswetter, Stuart Meaker, Samit Patel, Kevin Pietersen, Graeme Swann, Jonathan Trott, Chris Woakes

*Jos Buttler and Alex Hales will join for Twenty20 international

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Posted by DeathPoke on (September 30, 2011, 1:20 GMT)

Im a Kiwi born Aussie, and I see absolutely no problem with OS-born players playing for any team in any sport. The hardest decision should be that of the players themselves, as a question of loyalty and pride. If they qualify to play for a country, and are going to remain loyal and devote themselves to that country, then more power to them!

Posted by yorkshire-86 on (September 29, 2011, 17:28 GMT)

Should have picked Rashid or Briggs instead of the dead wood Patel...

Posted by itsthewayuplay on (September 29, 2011, 14:50 GMT)

Cont'd To highlight the gulf in the selection of both squads, you look at the England squad and you think why has this or that player been left out; with India you think (1) why has this or that player been selected (2) where are the wickets coming from (3) who's going to contain the batsmen. For India the ODI series is not about the results but about performing, like WIndies did in the 2nd T20, starting to rebuild Indian cricket from the rubble of the England tour and identifying who has the technique and temperament to succeed in the future. England seem to have their cricketing house in order and it's time for for India to do the same. What are the chances of that happening? Given the BCCI's president's recent comments, I would say very little. England has named what appears to be a strong squad on paper and I wouldn't be surprised if they did well on the pitch but a series win in India will be a combination of England's continued progress and India' continued slide.

Posted by itsthewayuplay on (September 29, 2011, 14:24 GMT)

To my fellow Indian supporters - please chill. Doesn't matter which team India play or where the players are born, there's no escaping that India is a hopeless team with no proper structure in place to identify and nature cricketing talent. There are many reasons for this but the main factor is that in the recent past India had a golden generation of players who have retired or are close to retiring and the BCCI thought that the next generation would be waiting to step into their shoes. Neither WIndies nor Aus planned for succession (I'm not in any way implying that India when No1 were close those teams) and BCCI did not heed those lessons. What Eng have shown is year on year improvement from under Hussain together with a total resructuring of the game at domestic level. With their current bowling options they are the envy of most teams and coaches and have the satisfying problem of trying to keep all their players happy.

Posted by nosebreaker on (September 29, 2011, 12:35 GMT)

Guys just to round off this tedious discussion, South Africa has enough talent for England and South Africa......You can only play 11 players at a time for SA, so why not let them play international cricket for another country if they have the credentials. It is great for SA's economy to have so many saffers in England living of the English system and spending money in SA......keep it up boys and bring the pounds back home!!!!!

Posted by JG2704 on (September 29, 2011, 9:37 GMT)

vivekdhayalan_indian_tamilan - as I said before in response to MADDY20 - Our 4-0 drubbing was mainly achieved by our bowling unit and Cook and Bell. All English to the bone. YORKSHIRE PUDDING - I should have been more clear in saying that I meant that only Morgan actually played at full int level for his birth country MADDY20 - Hopefully VALAVAN and BOBMARTIN amongst others will have put your notions to bed. If you're going to quote facts , please make sure they are accurate otherwise you look foolish

Posted by JG2704 on (September 29, 2011, 9:25 GMT)

MADDY20 - You say us POMS couldn't win a world cup etc. I believe we are the current T20 world champions though - a game which is huge in India and number 1 test side in the world

Posted by   on (September 29, 2011, 9:22 GMT)

As far as odi series concluded last in England is concerned India did well unlike test series before. its the rain which stopped 50 overs to be played in full.

its interesting to see how the fight will be between the teams on subcontinent venues. definetly indian team will have more advantage of home apart from what ever they are as of now.

Posted by JG2704 on (September 29, 2011, 9:20 GMT)

KEDAR DHEKANE - RE anderson rested.....what is that mean??? Firstly one ? is enough and 2ndly , the phrase is what DOES that mean?

It means that England are trying to rotate their squad and for whatever reason - whether it be that they think Anderson is tired/jaded or preventing Anderson from becoming tired/jaded or they just think other bowlers might do a better job on Indian pitches. Whatever way you look at it , it is surely better to not send a player out there who might not do a good job than send a player out there who might struggle. Even if it is purely a form thing , what's wrong with that? Surely you pick a squad to do a job. I know the Indians prefer to make excuses afterwards about injured/half cooked players. Maybe England's selectors are trying to prevent things happening rather than using the half cooked/injured excuses AFTER the series , like you get from other teams

Posted by JG2704 on (September 29, 2011, 9:02 GMT)

MADDY20 - 5WOMBATS responded to your quip about Somerset's non English players playing for England by mentioning how many non Indian players were in an IPL team. The facts are that even if you replaced KP,Trott ,Morgan and Strauss with others , England would have still won the test series convincingly. The whole of our bowling unit was English born and bred and our main batsmen were Cook and Bell. Trott was injured for some time and Strauss generally had a bad series. Kp had one or 2 good knocks and then Prior , Bres and Broad chipped in with valuable runs. Actually there is little point in responding to your ignorant comments. The favt that you're still calling Patel and Bopara our Indian players speaks vols.Actually I think it was the comment Posted by chiggers on (September 27 2011, 14:56 PM GMT that said about the number of non Indians playing in an IPL side in ref to your Somerset/England comments

Posted by 5wombats on (September 29, 2011, 8:16 GMT)

@bobmartin & @jmcilhinney; the guy you are referring to is a graceless troll. You are wasting your time on him. The wombats are saving their energies for the minor ODI series coming up. BTW - all you indians calling us English "Poms" - it is a term of endearment only to be used by Australians - who are worthy adversaries. indians are not entitled to call us "Poms" - instead you should call us; "Number 1 in Tests".

Posted by qarakhanid on (September 29, 2011, 8:08 GMT)

@ jmcilhinney I am just concerned about giving England caps away without players having shown consistently good form - either by taking wickets (which, to be fair, Dernbach does, even though he goes for 6 runs plus per over in List A games) or by keeping runs down - or, ideally a combination of both. Meaker has 20 games under his belt and although he's quick, I find it difficult to believe that there isn't a quick in England with a better record. It's one thing to encourage youth, it's quite another throw them onto the international conveyer belt ahead of their time and without having "earned" their place though consistently good performance.

Posted by bobmartin on (September 29, 2011, 7:55 GMT)

@maddy20 .. [Quote]As for India if you call a side that has won two worldcups and held the number 1 ranking in tests for nearly 3 years(since early 2008) [Unquote] Yet more nonsense being trotted out as fact in an endeavour to support the unsupportable ...These are the FACTS: In the ICC Test Rankings....Australia were No.1 for the whole of 2008 and up until Aug 2009 when SA became No.1. India replaced SA as No.1 in Dec and remained No.1 until Aug 2011 when England became No.1. I make that 20 month maximum for India at No.1.... which hardly equates to nearly three years in any calendar I know.

Posted by Valavan on (September 29, 2011, 7:25 GMT)

@maddy, your words show your cricket knowledge. india lost to england due to mere overconfidence. Lack of depth doesnt justify any no.1 side in a long run. About your foreign imports story, many have discussed and i know you will just refuse to understand there, well your statistics are also wrong. India was no.1 in test since december 2009 until August 2011. Any ODI team in top 8 can anytime win the ODI championship. It also applies for England. In 2004 Champions trophy WI won it from nowhere. India also had the advantage playing the WC at home. But India is ODI world Cup champion. Even England is now T20 champion, but there is no guarantee they will be the no.1 T20 side. and T20 championship was won in West Indies NOT in England. And England visits India next winter NOT summer. keep your thoughts clear before writing here, not just to write your emotions. Not all Indian fans ready to accept they were outplayed in England. Thats the underlying truth. CRICINFO please publish.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (September 29, 2011, 6:38 GMT)

@qarakhanid, here's my theory on that. England realise that they are not a power in limited-overs cricket. They may have won the T20 title but that certainly doesn't mean that they dominate that form of the game and they have been very middle of the road in ODIs. I think England are treating this India tour with no test matches as an opportunity to see where they might be able to go. I would say that they see Meaker as a bright future prospect and want to expose him to some alien conditions and see how he responds. He may not even get a run other than in the warm-up games. With regards to Woakes, I was impressed with what I saw of him when England were last in Aus (where I live) and I have to admit to being surprised to not have seen anything substantial of him since, particularly given the England bowlers lack of effectiveness in limited-overs relative to test matches. It's good to see him on this tour and I hope he gets a run, maybe even over Bresnan if he gets hit around.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (September 29, 2011, 6:25 GMT)

@maddy20, more inflammatory language and baseless predictions masquerading as facts. No player was stolen. It's not a fact and it is being denied. Nor is anyone running scared, as you well know. The England selectors merely chose who they considered to be the best players available who were eligible to play. If foreign born players chose to move to England and subsequently became eligible to play for England, that's on those players. I can guarantee you that Morgan decided that he wanted to play test cricket and that's why he's playing for England. As for England being #1 for about half a year, that will be the case if they lose, but there's no specific reason to believe that they will, other than your bias. I hope they win and believe they can, based on form, but I'm not counting any chickens. Apparently some people are just stomping on the eggs and saying none hatched.

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (September 29, 2011, 5:01 GMT)

@JG2704, You are slightly wrong in regard to Trott and Kieswetter, I believe they Both played U-19 for SA. @Gordo, even if SA sorted out thier structure you cant stop people emmigrating, besides the USA, Canada, and several other assocates wouldnt have cricket teams if it wasnt for non-nationals.

Posted by chiggers on (September 29, 2011, 4:30 GMT)

@iamsuperman - on that premise, almost all of the Australian, South African, New Zealand and West Indian team are 'bought', as all of them feature players whose ethnicity is not of that indigenous to the country for whom they are playing. After all how many white Caucasians (or in the West Indies case people of African origin) were present in those countries before they were colonised? But let's not allow facts to get in the way of a good whinge, eh?

Posted by Vernacular_Press on (September 29, 2011, 4:12 GMT)

@ JG2704.... I agree ur comments.The difference in success of English team can be attributed to the degree of influx.England team success is directly proportional to foreign players.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (September 29, 2011, 3:49 GMT)

@iamsuperman, Ravi Bopara and Samit Patel and were born in England of Indian decent, while Jonathan Trott was born in South Africa of English decent. So, is it where they were born or where their families are from that matters? If Trott had played for SA, would you have considered him to be an import for them? Also, your use of the term "bought" is obviously a baseless swipe at English cricket. Any reasonable person would realise that the majority of these OS-born players were brought to England by their parents as children, unbeknown to the ECB. If you don't like those players playing for England then that's a legitimate point of view, but your words reveal your true motivation: bring England down because it's easier than admitting that India were outplayed. It's also a ready-made excuse if India don't dominate the upcoming series. That's great forward thinking.

Posted by qarakhanid on (September 29, 2011, 3:15 GMT)

Shouldn't the question really be - on what possible basis has Meaker been selected given that his first class stats are distinctly average and his list A performances are really poor. He's taken just 19 wickets in 21 games for Surrey and goes for 6.3 an over. How on Earth do the selectors think that this record justifies being selected for England? Also - while Dernbach did ok against India, he got carted a few times and I was constantly amazed that he kept getting picked ahead of Chris Woakes. While the focus on young players is laudable, surely they should be forced to work hard for their selection rather than get picked on a whim? I don't care if they have South African origins or not, I just want a side truly selected on performance. And if that was the case, Woakes would be picked ahead of Dernbach and definitely ahead of Meaker every day of the week!

Posted by jmcilhinney on (September 29, 2011, 2:33 GMT)

@iamsuperman, I think that you may have misread something. Scott Borthwick was born in Durham, England. Maybe you thought that was Durbin, South Africa.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (September 29, 2011, 2:28 GMT)

With regards to Morgan playing for Ireland and England, that's a point addressed in the Switch Hit podcast I mentioned in a previous post. If I recall, they said that the rules are different when it comes to associate nations, so as not to handicap players with test potential who were born in non-test-playing nations. I'm not sure of all the details but I believe that the full limitations are not imposed until a person plays test cricket. That means that Morgan could have gone straight back to Ireland until the day he was selected to play a test match for England, at which point he would have had to requalify. Morgan's not in the upcoming tour anyway and I would think that India would be happy to see Trott, given the criticism he receives over his ODI strike rate. If you really have an issue with the ICC regs as they are then stop whining here and send a letter to the ICC. Start a petition and send that to the ICC. Do something constructive.

Posted by maddy20 on (September 29, 2011, 0:06 GMT)

@Devon_Dumpling The do you mean SA is a third rate team? Even if you except the the two Indians still its an undeniable fact that Irish and SA players have been stolen. As for calling India and Australia third-rate teams, check your facts mate. Australia has won 4 Worldcups with 100% Aussie players and held the No.1 test ranking for about 10-15 years! As for India if you call a side that has won two worldcups and held the number 1 ranking in tests for nearly 3 years(since early 2008). You poms on the otherside could not win one Worldcup with all your imports from abroad. You just reached number one but it won't last long. After the ODI's in India you will see how pathetic your team really is. More trouble - There is a test and ODI series in INdia next summer! After losing to SA this year and India next year, in tests by then, your number 1 ranking would have lasted for about half an year! @JG2704 The point is you can't justify a response and you are running scared!

Posted by JG2704 on (September 28, 2011, 22:29 GMT)

Re the SA/Ireland players playing for England , I have to admit that the authorities have got a bit lax on it all. I remember Graham Hick taking several years before he qualified for England and while I'm really happy about it , I suppose there is a point re Morgan who was playing for England within a year or so of representing Ireland in a world cup. And the Ed Joyce situation of going from Ireland , to England and then back to Ireland within a few years or so seems a little farcical. I do think it would be fair that to qualify to play for your adopted country , you shouldn't have played for your birth country or at least not for a good number of years. But with the exception of Morgan all our foreign born players have only played for England so I don't see a problem. Also it's not a brand new thing , K Wessells played for both SA and Aus and Lamb and R Smith would have been in the same Eng side at one point. Guess the difference is that back the Eng weren't nearly as successful/good

Posted by Valavan on (September 28, 2011, 21:41 GMT)

@Gordo85,@iamsuperman, hope how many times to say but you dont want to accept it as you want to find a fault because England is dominating and competing at top level. where did you all guys go when devon malcolm, gladstone small, allan lamb, mark ramprakash, vikram solanki, nasser hussain played. it was not new for england to select ppl of other nationality who have naturalized to live in England, or the kids of the settlers. Why does Ranji trophy take place in the name of a england player Ranjitsinhji.Well over and over, it is just KP who was shopping around and Trott who was not selected in SA, rest all strauss, prior,dernbach,meaker all had their primary school in england and learnt cricket in england. Ravi bopara, samit patel were born in england , thats end of line there. Does any guys knew the grandson of Denis compton, a great english player was born in SA and he plays now for somerset. i feel just pity for gordo85 and iamsuperman, cricinfo please publish

Posted by hhillbumper on (September 28, 2011, 19:56 GMT)

I agree that Meaker seems an odd pick given some of the others.James Harris should get a go. But as for some posters talking about Patel,Bopara et al.They are English and born here.If by your logic then Bradman should have played for England coming from English stock. The UK is a multicultural society and richer for it. Out of interest given a diverse population in India when was the last white person to play for India? Just wondering

Posted by Shan156 on (September 28, 2011, 19:41 GMT)

@ Arun 'Naldo' Prasad N, Bravo! The most sensible comment I have read coming from an Indian fan in a long long time. Indian fans need to worry more about their team's shortcomings instead of finding 'faults' with the opposition. As you rightly pointed out, there are millions of Indians living outside India's borders and doing pretty well in countries like USA and UK. The funny thing is many of the Indian fans who comment on players' origins may well be settled in other countries.

Posted by   on (September 28, 2011, 19:23 GMT)

OK, so now our problem is that we lost to a team loaded with players born in SA, not that we got our backs whipped raw for the entire summer. Let's just numb our senses n consider this for a sec. Even if it was made a rule that no guy born to brit parents with so much as the end of his toenail landing outside the isles can play for england, they wud've still lined up with anderson, bresnan, tremlett and swann. raina, gambhir n dhoni would still have had no clue on how to face a world class attack in hostile conditions. sehwag and zak wud still have been short of match fitness. Maybe knock off a 100 or two from england's score as it's indeed hard to find 3 men better than strauss, KP and prior to fit in. Result: WE STILL GET HAMMERED! Man up, and face it, we were woeful. Pretty much everyone other than Dravid came a cropper. And if guys like KP can't earn a living outside SA then I wanna hear u say the same to the 30 million odd indians making a livingoutside our borders!

Posted by A_Vacant_Slip on (September 28, 2011, 18:50 GMT)

@iamsuperman - if you don't have much to say, then why bother? Especially as it trolling anyway. They're qualified for England. End of story.

Posted by bumsonseats on (September 28, 2011, 17:21 GMT)

i live in the uk and during the summer i watch cricket. during the winter i watch rugby league and rugby union. england are the # 1 team in the world. depending your country new zealand and australia are the best union sides. both codes league and union are very strong in those countries and have many sides playing in their domestic competitions. so it surprises me when i see both those top countries teams made up of many south sea islanders. seem all u have to do is spend a year in either 1 and if ur good enough u will get into those great sides. nobody seems to mind. england rugby union side have a player now that played rugby league for NZ against england rugby league side, so u get my drift. what does it matter these days.there are lots of more important things we could be talking about than tittle tattle on here. dpk

Posted by iamsuperman on (September 28, 2011, 16:27 GMT)

I don't much to say about English (South African) team visiting India soon. Just take a look that this team. England bought talent, not got! ;)

Ravi Bopara - Sikh from Punjab in India Scott Borthwick - South African Jade Dernbach - South African Craig Kieswetter - South African Stuart Meaker - South African Samit Patel - from a Gujurati family of Indian origin Kevin Pietersen - South African Jonathan Trott - South African

Posted by bumsonseats on (September 28, 2011, 16:22 GMT)

SA have you heard of imran tahir a pakistan player who after going on holiday to SA met and married a SA. he then decided to make SA his 21st club/country of his career ( perhaps we could get him after 2 years ). and the other australian player kepler wessels who when SA were not in test cricket decided he was an aussie. then when SA were reintroduced to test cricket he decided he was a saffer again. like it or not its its within icc rules. the boys i have no bother with as even with a safffer saying boys of 5 are into SA cricket system. does that mean his parents cannot move back to a country of his or her birth or both parents birth that seems crazy 2 me. there r many countries they could emigrate back to they dont, so in 10/12 years time so their sons can play for england.must be something about england and its not the weather. think about it. dpk

Posted by Gordo85 on (September 28, 2011, 15:57 GMT)

YorkshirePudding yeah I don't really have any idea what they should do. All I know is you have lots of talented players go over there because I guess some are fed up waiting to play for South Africa like Alfonso Thomas the guy was/is a fantastic bowler who I have watched over the years and it was a shame to loose him but I do understand he was so fed up with doing so well for all these years and not getting picked only for 20/twenty. Also I guess sometimes some Kolpak players do return to South Africa. I do think it is good how players can have a second home.

Posted by kevinpp24 on (September 28, 2011, 15:27 GMT)

Why so much fuss about SAns playing for Eng, afterall they are English ancestors. They are opting to play for England, atleast we are not playing politics like your selectors chosing players from their respective states. Infact each state in India more or less have same population as England, so how about India sending Maharastra XI, Karnataka XI, Tamil Nadu XI, etc., then we will field pure Eng XI, as you wish, and will thrash every team day-in and day-out for decades. If you cant field 4 decent fast bowlers from 1.2bn then you will be worthless with those XIs. Well I forgot to remind you guys something, most muslims if not all from North India were migrated from Arabian countries after 13th century so does that mean they are adopted foreigners, that would make Zaheer a foreigner and you then dont even have single world class bowler. For a fact, welcome to one of the multicultural country in the world.

Posted by Shan156 on (September 28, 2011, 15:25 GMT)

You see a lot of Indian immigrants in the US and UK. Going by what we hear on this board, perhaps these people would be OK if they, and their kids, are not granted the same rights as other citizens (born or naturalized). But, most people would want equal rights and most of the western countries do provide that. Dernbach, Meaker, Prior, Strauss were all born in SA but were raised in England and are UK citizens. KP while born and raised in SA has an English mother and obtained UK citizenship before he started playing for England. At least there is some argument about these cases. But, it is really pathetic when people refer to Samit Patel and Ravi Bopara as foreigners. Get a grip, people. Their parents may be born in India but they were born in UK and raised in UK. How can they be foreigners? Douglas Jardine was born in India. Does it mean he was not eligible to play for England? In this day and age, this line of thought is just sheer narrow-mindedness, nothing else.

Posted by Shan156 on (September 28, 2011, 15:18 GMT)

@Gupta.Ankur, we will talk after India manages to win a single series in Australia and SA.

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (September 28, 2011, 14:54 GMT)

@bigwonder, are you therefore suggesting that the better team lost this summer, as through a 4 match test series you would expect the better team to win atleast one game or manage to draw a couple, India did niether. Please state the ICC regulation that stipulates players must be born in a country in order to qualify to play for that country. The only reason this is an 'issue' is because England are winning games, in the 90's it didnt matter that there were a number of Saffas, Caribbean, Kiwi and Australian players in the England squad, but then England were losing games.

Posted by bobmartin on (September 28, 2011, 14:40 GMT)

The UK probably has a bigger percentage of immigrants in it's population than almost any other country. Therefore it follows that there's an increased chance of the offspring of those immigrants finding their way into the England cricket team. Simple question: The parents of young boy, born in Sth Africa, emigrate to England. The lad is schooled in England, attends the English cricket academy and becomes a talented county cricketer. So who should he play for ? To suggest he should represent SA is clearly bonkers. He's not only ineligible, but his allegiance to his country of birth is just that... it's where he was born.And using the objectors' criteria, he shouldn't play for England either simply because he wasn't born here. So through no fault of his own he is barred from earning his living by virtue of the fact that he's not English. There's a word for that, but cricinfo would probably not print this if I used it. Good thing you don't apply your criteria to your IPL circus.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (September 28, 2011, 14:37 GMT)

@bigwonder , you're right, no quality players in England. Anderson, Broad, Tremlett, Bresnan and Swann, who bowled India out for 300 or less 8 times, are not quality players. Bell, who scored a double-hundred, and Cook, who nearly scored a triple-hundred, are not quality players. Finn is not a quality player. No other quality prospects, like Taylor, Butler, Bairstow and Borthwick on the horizon. The cupboard is just bare. Of course, if England had 1.2 billion people to choose from, I'm fairly sure that we could put at least 3 or 4 intl quality teams on the field, regardless of origin.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (September 28, 2011, 14:19 GMT)

OK, I admit it, England have several SA-born players. I'm devastated. I guess I'll just have to console myself with the fact that England have won the Ashes 3 out of the last 4 times, the most recent in Australia, and they beat India 4-0 and took the #1 test ranking. Oh, however will I survive? @hira02, I think you've got plenty to be embarrassed about after this last tour without worrying about us English fans.

Posted by   on (September 28, 2011, 14:02 GMT)

I think the selectors did a good job selecting the fast bowling combo of Bresnan, Dernbach, Finn, Woakes, Meaker. In the sub - continent England need bowlers who can bowl very fast and good combination of spinners as well. Only problem i see is the batting lineup, is it strong enough? Well no matter what, win or lose, Id be cheering for England all the way. Just dont Indian WUM's, they are just bored their team is utter rubbish. No talent whatsoever and rely on the grandpas

Posted by Yevghenny on (September 28, 2011, 13:03 GMT)

So he's been playing cricket in this country since he was 12 years old, and yet he's not allowed to represent England - in what way would he be representing South Africa if he chose them? So because his parents moved to this country when he was still a kid, he should be banned from international competition, because of people's outdated views on emigration and globalisation

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (September 28, 2011, 13:00 GMT)

@Gordo, exactly what would you suggest the SA government should do? Not allow people to emmigrate? make every person leaving the country sign a declaration that they will never play sport in for another country ever? Get a clue, read up on Meaker, Dernbach, Prior and Strauss they are not products of the SA system they were produced by the England county systemand moved to the when they were pre-teens.....Trott,Kp and Kieswetter while taught thier cricket in SA however they couldnt get into a state team, and so came to the UK in order to follow thier professions, KP even applied for a visa inorder to play in Australia before he tried the UK.

Posted by bigwonder on (September 28, 2011, 12:41 GMT)

@bobmartin, being beaten by better side? Are you dreaming again? Wining against a depleted team in your own backyard is called a better side? England has a lot to prove to be called a better side and using non-national players is just making it clear that they don't have quality players in England - does not matter what ICC rule says.

Posted by 360review on (September 28, 2011, 12:37 GMT)

@bobmartin, you have a way to twist logic in your favor. Until now it was about rotating players, then non-nationals, now using ICC's rule book for the limit then if other counties don't use non-national players - their bad. Someone said in their comments that "This "new" England are a mean lot - if you don't perform, you're gone." So does that mean James did not perform so he is rested? Broad is really injured? Why are English fans frequently pointing fingers at Indian player's injury when their own team has plenty full?

Posted by nosebreaker on (September 28, 2011, 12:26 GMT)

Yosrkshire pud.....dont kid yourself bro.......kids in SA start cricket orientation from5 years old.......thats why they are so much better than the poms.....this is the age you start to get a natural feel for things, you dont just start palying cricket at 12......SA will continue producing talent for England....nothing wrong with that.....just enjoy it.

Posted by Lord_Dravid on (September 28, 2011, 12:24 GMT)

@bobmartin ..who cares what the icc's criteria on eligibility..the fact of the matter is that the england squad has too many south africans with south african blood, instinct and mentality.. even though they've learnt most of their cricket in england, still they've learnt some of it in south africa! out of many examples a good one is look at trott who played for south africa U-19! ..im an indian fan but if i were an english id be more than embarassed..this tour is going to be SOUTH AFRICA VS INDIA! :)

Posted by Gordo85 on (September 28, 2011, 11:44 GMT)

The quicker South Africa gets this problem fixed so then not to much talent goes over seas the better.

Posted by CandidIndian on (September 28, 2011, 11:37 GMT)

Thats a strong English side even without Anderson,if Broad gets fit then it will be much more stronger.As far as India is concerned their problem is much higher than it seems and obsession of players like Gambhir and Bhajji for club teams complicates it further.I am not worried by the loss in England, loss and win circle goes on in the game but the way they lost is reason of worry.England in their last tour to India also failed to win a single game, lost odis 5-0 and tests 1-0 but they never looked clueless and toothless like India in recent disaster.Before writing words like revenge and payback ,we(Indian fans) should analyze the current situation.Tendulkar ,Sehwag,Yuvi and Gambhir might not play which weakens the batting,and does India have the bowling to defend even the score of 300? will selectors show some intent to find decent bowlers ? last but not the least this series will start just 3 days after CL,where is the time of preparation?God save Indian cricket.

Posted by   on (September 28, 2011, 11:20 GMT)

KP is looking more like Simon Cowell every day. I feel sorry for Meaker, England only picking him to make sure SA can't have him. He has no future with them.

Posted by bobmartin on (September 28, 2011, 10:21 GMT)

Two points about the South Africans in the England side. Firstly, it's the ICC who set the criteria to be satisfied before you can select a "non-national". Quite clearly all those in the England squad meet that criteria, so that really is the end of the matter. If you want a winning side, you pick the best available elligible players. Don't try to tell me other countries wouldn't do the same and if they don't or wouldn't, then bigger fools them. The second point is that it may be that several England players were not born in England, but if you check their bios you'll find most of them were schooled and learned their cricket in England and have always stated their commitment to English cricket. There's too much rubbish talked about this subject and quite frankly it's getting boring. Is it not just another excuse for being beaten by a better side.

Posted by JG2704 on (September 28, 2011, 10:17 GMT)

JMICILHINNEY - Re Bell - I just think he is continuing in the ODI set up purely on reutation. He IS a class batsman and there should be no logical reason as to why he can't/shouldn't do it at ODI etc level for England , but the facts are that he hasn't been able to. I'm sure that he has been tried up the order and with equally bad results. I remember there was a debate about it on SKY and I think Hussain was on about Bell coming in ahead of Trott if CK got out - to ensure the scoring rate was kept up and even when the scoring rates of the top 6 came up and Bell was at the bottom , Hussain and co either didn't notice or turned a blind eye. Bell would be one of the first players in my test side and Morgan in my one day side but I'd have neither in the other- Morgan , because I'd have an extra bowler.I just look at it from a fans point of view and in ODI's I would prefer to bowl at Cook, Trott,Bopara, Bell than KP,Morgan, Buttler, Stevens. Although I admit you do need the Trott types too

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (September 28, 2011, 10:11 GMT)

@Mervo, Meaker may have been born in SA but has lived in the UK since the age of 12, learnt all his cricket here and has only ever played for England at any level. But then you forget that Australia are having to recuit Pakistan born players as are SA.

Posted by JG2704 on (September 28, 2011, 10:01 GMT)

I do find it quite funny how Indian fans are going on about England resting James Anderson or JAMES PETERSON as INDER SINGH SOHAL so knowledgably calls him. Anderson is not a hype job at all . Firstly he excels in the test format of the game over the limited overs formats. Secondly , during the world cup when Anderson was awful , he was mentally and physically fatigued. If the selectors don't learn from that they'd be very naive. I would have thought the Indian fans (PUNTERTAKESON)would empathise with us on that , with many of their players arriving half cooked or going home with their tails between their legs before the ODI's etc.India obviously have huge talent but the difference between India and England is prep.M ASLAM MIRZA/PRANNSHU Bopara IS in the squad, what are you on about?I put before , if you give a guy enough chances he will occasionally deliver.DEVONDUMPLING - MADDY20 aint worth justifying a response to. 5WOMBATS has already beaten her/him down with 0 response

Posted by   on (September 28, 2011, 9:44 GMT)

These England selectors can't pick a squad without any South African origin player they don't have the capable players in England to beat India.Their squad looks like a rest of the world squad

Posted by WhiteRaven on (September 28, 2011, 9:16 GMT)

i'd love to see oneday 11 poms playing for england!!

Posted by   on (September 28, 2011, 9:13 GMT)

It would be really tough for England to win in India, but it would be definetly worth watching cricket.

Posted by   on (September 28, 2011, 8:34 GMT)

What does James Taylor have to do to get selected??

Posted by Mervo on (September 28, 2011, 8:28 GMT)

Another South African ... Why can't England produce more players? This is becoming ridiculous and must be depressing for some home grown players .

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (September 28, 2011, 7:49 GMT)

The reason England is resting JA is simply because of the England Pace bowlers, hes bowled more overs in the last 12 months than anyone else in the england squad (650 across both formats). They also want him fully fit and rested for next year which will be as big as last year. On the pluis side it gives opportunities to a few new faces to see what they are made of. As for the series result I couldnt care less if England win or lose the series, as it will be a learning experience for the newer players, and a chance to see how they gel in the team. Expect a lot more volatility over the next 2 years while players are rotated in and out of both the T20 and ODI teams, the Test team is just about settled in terms of the squad.

Posted by   on (September 28, 2011, 7:31 GMT)

Indians r da home ov Lions & this time England'll conquer India

Posted by bobmartin on (September 28, 2011, 7:24 GMT)

I may well be getting on a bit in years... and my memory isn't quite as sharp as it once was... but I do clearly recall that prior to a single ball being bowled on India's recent tour to England, many Indian supporters were forecasting a whitewash by the number one side in test table and ODI world cup holders. Unfortunately their forecast was slightly awry... well 100% wrong actually. India didn't win a single match. The senario has now changed with England shortly to tour India and already, even before the side arrives, the Indian supporters are forecasting a whitewash. We shall wait and see if their forecasting prowess is any better this time round. But one thing is sure, if England win only a single match in India, they will have done infinitely better than India did.

Posted by kasyapm on (September 28, 2011, 6:27 GMT)

@Valavan: I think you mixed up my comment. I was referring to tests more than one days when I talked of pitches. I re-iterate, any team should play to it's strengths - England did when they played on swinging tracks this summer (not even for a second mentioning that they are pushovers on spinning pitches, with Swann and some good players of spin in their ranks). Australia lost to India 2-1 when they toured in 2001. Does that mean they were not a champion side? Let's not make such statements. I agree that India is not in the league of Aus of 90s/00s and Windies of 80s/90s, and so isn't any other team (England/SA have some points to prove and venues to conquer before they can claim so). And yes, India are the World champions in ODIs. No can take that away from them.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (September 28, 2011, 6:27 GMT)

@Gupta.Ankur, I disagree. There were some Indian fans peppering this site with predictions of an Indian whitewash before a ball was bowled in England. After each loss there were similar posts about what was going to happen next game and when Sehwag arrived and when the ODIs started. Yes they did have some bad luck along the way but India were thoroughly outplayed in the tests and outplayed enough in the ODIs, yet still there's no admission of any kind from many Indian fans and they continue with wait until you get to India. It's not all Indian fans but it's the most vocal here. I think most England fans would be happy to hear "we had some bad luck but you outplayed us, we will be better at home so let's look forward to a competitive series in India". India will undoubtedly play better than they did in England but England undoubtedly have talent. In test cricket though, if India don't address some systemic issues, as England have done, they will most likely continue to slide.

Posted by kevinpp24 on (September 28, 2011, 6:03 GMT)

Good selection. Andersen may not be effective in SC but it got something to do with his mind. He's a very good exponent of reverse swing, he can reverse it both ways, just remember his dismissal of Duminy in chennai WC. He brought the ball back into left hander from over-the-stumps which is the toughest thing. But he's 29 so i think he will adapt himself to SC somewhere around 32 similar to Zaheer, mind you he's rubbish till 3 years ago. I also felt Shazad could have been tried. One thing i felt weird was Andersen was never preferred for T20 but always bowls at batPP and death overs. Anyway Batting is the key in SC, whatever Indian would be they gonna score consistently above 300 so we need buch of hitters in lower middle order and should target part-timers.

Posted by Gupta.Ankur on (September 28, 2011, 5:27 GMT)

I think the result of just "one" series in England has been used to tell us Indian fans that now for eternity our team will remain bad....

It has happened so many times to Eng in the past, they lost badly when last time they were here........5-0 in Odis if i remember.........

This team is 2 time World Champion, was No.1 test-team for 20 months...........lets Eng do better than this, then we will talk....

Posted by   on (September 28, 2011, 5:21 GMT)

anderson rested..he desn't want tu cum to india to worsen his odi record which is already very poor...

Posted by puntertakeson on (September 28, 2011, 4:49 GMT)

@5wombats You mean yuvaraj retired just like Broad and anderson retired before they board a plane .lol. Engalnd will be hammered in this Monsoon season. Yeah it would be monsoon for them. hahahahaha Cricinfo pls publish this

Posted by   on (September 28, 2011, 4:44 GMT)

England's have a very tough job of selecting a side because every player they select perform well. Our Future is in very good hands. We have the best T20 side in the world and we have won the T20 world cup too. We are the World Champions in this format and the number 1 Test team. We will look forward to dominate the ODI's as well. It's very hard to pick an English side but i would suggest Finn-Dernbach-Woakes's pace to go with Swann's and Borthwick's spin. Cook, Kieswetter, Bell, Pietersen, Bopara and Bairstow are the top 6 batsman(This team is for this series). I would suggest to rest Trott because he already proved his worth and this series is a chance to test every players in different new conditions.

Posted by   on (September 28, 2011, 4:33 GMT)

just prepare square turners and you will have the england team hopping all around ..... playing to our strengths would be the key ...... GO INDIA ...... its our time NOW ..

Posted by jmcilhinney on (September 28, 2011, 4:13 GMT)

Those pondering the number of foreign-born players in the England squad should listen to the latest Switch Hit podcast if they haven't already for an interesting discussion on the topic. Most of the SA-born players in the England squads came here as children and learned to play cricket in England. Should they be excluded from playing intl cricket? I don't think so. Trott and Pietersen are the exceptions. I think the suggestion of not being able to switch countries after playing U19 or U17 is a good one. That would exclude Trott at least. As good as he's been, I'd not be too concerned to lose him now. He came in because the previous #3 batsmen hadn't performed. I believe that Bell has matured enough to be as good as Trott at 3 now.

Posted by   on (September 28, 2011, 3:43 GMT)

See the defeat for england 5-0..... India rocks....

Posted by jmcilhinney on (September 28, 2011, 2:19 GMT)

I do think that England have some concerns with their batting order. JG2704 mentioned dropping Bell. That could be a good idea. He's just not the sort of player you want coming in at 5 or 6 in limited overs cricket. His strike rate is low because he comes in and tries to smack the ball against his instincts and either doesn't score or gets out or both. I think Bell has a lot to offer in ODI cricket but should not bat lower than 3. If Trott is to remain in the ODI team then he needs to do as Cook has done and make a concerted effort to up his strike rate. We saw shades of that at Cardiff but if he can't do it consistently then Bell should be at 3. If Keiswetter can't show consistency then Bell should open. England seem to think they need an opener who can clear the rope but a player like Bell could make plenty of runs opening without hitting lots of sixes, leaving Keiswetter to hit down the order.

Posted by Lmaotsetung on (September 28, 2011, 0:24 GMT)

Good squad imo. Good mix of fast bowlers and bowling all rounders. The batting will be key imo. The 3 Bs, Bell, Bopara, Bairstow need to step up. Interesting the Lions are touring the sub-continent too this winter. Will only make the young lads better prepare to face these conditions in the future. Just a FYI...Cook captained Eng to Bangladesh last year and did very well. Finn and Bresnan also played extensively in that tour last year and not to mention the place where Kieswetter got his maiden century. So before you Indians proclaim 5-0 whitewash, please know what you are talking about first.

Posted by AndyMick on (September 27, 2011, 22:54 GMT)

serious-am-i , you seem to have a really short memory, 4-0, yes thats 4-0, in the test series and I dont seem to recall a victory in the ODI series this year, cant remember the 20-20 as thats only about money for Harbi and co so why do you have to drag up the last time your boys won any decent cricket match, 2003, who cares? Your country is weks because all your players want to do, except for Dravid and maybe Sachin, is play the short rubbish version of the game!!!!!!!! We will do you this winter also, get real, you are not number 1, 2, or 3 in the world and nunber 4, 5, and 6 will do you, even at home.

Posted by yorkshirematt on (September 27, 2011, 21:54 GMT)

OK this is ridiculous now. No wonder no one likes us.

Posted by Nampally on (September 27, 2011, 21:30 GMT)

The start of the matches is still 2 weeks away. Yet there seems to be frenzy of attacking & counter attacking by various fans. The real battle is in the middle of the ground. The Engalnd team has been announced whilst the Indian side is yet to be. I am wondering why the Indian Selectors are so late in announcing the team? No one is aware of the availability of the opening pair Sehwag & Tendulkar. Surely these guys are not match fit. So rest them. Yuvraj, Munaf & Zaheer even if they have recovered from their injuries are out of shape & not match fit. So India will have only half the WC winners in the squad. It would be good to announce the Indian squad of 20 players now.I know all the likely guys in the squad are currently playing some where or other.At least it gives time for the players to be mentally prepared for the forthcoming ODI's.Likely team : Dhoni, Gambhir, Rahane,P.Patel, Raina,Kohli, M.Tiwary, Y.Pathan, Aeron,Kumar, Harbhajan, Ashwin, Ojha, Rahul Sharma,C.Pujara, Ishant

Posted by   on (September 27, 2011, 21:27 GMT)

james peterson rested... lol....oh! come on ECB... bring it on.....they know how bad he is in sub-continent (see his WC figures)....the way england played this summer was great.. but its home advantage to india this fall... lets see how it goes... but i can say india beat england 4-1...cheers.!!

Posted by frazell on (September 27, 2011, 19:52 GMT)

This is actually quite embrassing as an Englishman to see the amount of players born (an in some caes raised) outside of England. The odd one is OK, now it is riduculous.

Posted by JG2704 on (September 27, 2011, 19:48 GMT)

CTD - With everyone fit my ODI 11 would be

Cook , Pieterson , Trott , Morgan , Buttler (wk) , Stevens , Patel or Borthwick , Swann , Broad , Bresnan or Anderson , Dernbach

T20 11 would be

Kieswetter (wk) , Hales , KP , Morgan , Buttler , Stevens ,Patel or Borthwick , Swann , Broad , Bresnan or Anderson , Dernbach

Test 11

Strauss , Cook , Trott , KP , Bell , Prior ,Broad , Swann and Anderson and 2 from Patel ,Borthwick , Bresnan and Tremlett depending on pitch conditions etc

Posted by bumsonseats on (September 27, 2011, 19:39 GMT)

could criinfo not put a piece on this topic, explaining the reason why england can do this, or why they do it. we get these arugments every time a player with overseas conections,are selected. its getting tedious how other countries have played similar guys. some playing within a short time and its never mentioned. its as soon as success has been achieved its brought up. come on you 2 andrews get typing and lets have a crack on this topic. dpk

Posted by JG2704 on (September 27, 2011, 19:37 GMT)

Ctd - As I said before I'd have 3 from 5 of Cook , Trott , Bell , Bopara and Patel. The 2 I'd drop are Bopara and Bell. I know Bell is a superb technical batsman , but he just doesn't seem to be able to do it at ODI level. I don't know why because he has all the shots , but I don't remember him winning a game in the 50 over format for England and his strike rate last time I looked was slower than Trott's. Bopara has improved recently but even the match where he scored 90+ which was tied DL he never saw us home and IMO we'd have lost had it gone the distance. I know he bowled really well recently but I'd say Stevens is as good bowling but far more dangerous batting. I also know you need some steadier players to go with your hitters. I just feel that there are too many of the former and not enough of the latter

Posted by bumsonseats on (September 27, 2011, 19:07 GMT)

i had to look when meachers name was listed in the team selection. i just did not know anything about him i was wishing dont let him be an overseas player, that alas as not the case. having listened to the audio piece, stokes was mentioned as been ok, as if he was born in uk. im sorry he was born in NZ and lives a few miles from me,and came over as a 12 year old with his family.his dad been coach to a local rugby league team. i know most of the guys other than KP who was 19 and trott early 20s were all ages ranging from 3 to 12. and i know im wasting my time trying to explain, that boys aged 3 to 12 could not in any way shape or form be classed in these cases SA. iv said this before, the uk is one the most cosmpolitan countries in the world and open our doors within reason to every country in the world. i would like to say more about that but i know if i did it would not be allowed on this posting. dpk

Posted by JG2704 on (September 27, 2011, 18:59 GMT)

I think I'm probably going to be in the minority here , but I'm not too happy with the batting. I fail to see how Jos Buttler has been ignored. He has had one innings for England where he looked good but overenthusiasm and decent fielding got him run out. I thought he showed a great maturity in the CB40 final and he has shown flair and imagination consistantly. He has also shown that he can keep the runrate ticking over as soon as he gets in , before accelerating. He doesn't get bogged down like so many others do.To me he is the nearest alternative we have to Morgan. Another guy (and it may be an age reason why he is overlooked) who I'd definitely have in is Darren Stevens. A big hitter with the bat and useful with the ball. Personally I would have only 3 from Cook , Bell , Trott , Bopara and Patel and have Stevens and Buttler added.

Posted by OhhhhMattyMatty on (September 27, 2011, 18:59 GMT)

England's Future World XI: Hales, Root, Taylor(c), Stokes, Bairstow(wk), Buttler, Woakes, Harris, Meaker, Finn, Briggs. WORLD CLASS!

Posted by   on (September 27, 2011, 18:51 GMT)

How long will it be before we pick 11 born South Africans ? There can be nothing more discouraging for young English born platers.

Posted by 5wombats on (September 27, 2011, 18:47 GMT)

@Gupta.Ankur - indias fairy-tale story began to end as soon as they got off the plane in England........they soon realised that they can only win in helpful weather and pitch combination.......and sadly, none of them exist outside Chennai and Hydrabad..... Haha, BCCI did the right thing by removing Tendulkar, Sehwag, Laxman, etc, etc from possible "humiliation" in the ODI series in England (which india subsequently LOST 3-0)..... Also, what "old" Yuvraj done? his career was over.........when he played against England. Mate - you really need to read back to yourself some of the stuff you write. It's utterly ridiculous that merely by changing the names it more accurately reflects the truth.

Posted by JG2704 on (September 27, 2011, 18:43 GMT)

Good to see the usual Indian suspects still showing such grace in defeat LOL. Seriously , it was good to see a few Indians actually addressing their problems and it is something England must also learn from. I actually think India should start as strong favourites in their conditions and England will do well to make it competitive.

Posted by OhhhhMattyMatty on (September 27, 2011, 18:40 GMT)

Meaker, Finn and Dernbach.

93, 95 and 92 miles per hour respectively.

Fastest pace attack in world cricket. They will be too quick for India.

Posted by kumar_10011 on (September 27, 2011, 18:34 GMT)

@@@@@Gupta.Ankur, Hahahahaha.... Firstly, let indians win a single game even in Indian pitches. They are right now on the moon they don't know what they are doing. Let us who is going to face humiliation. You will see India losing the series... It can be a whitewash...possibly for India.

Posted by 200ondebut on (September 27, 2011, 18:32 GMT)

Conditions were the same for both sides in England - England piled on the runs but India's pensioners could not. It was not the pitches that made the difference it was the players. The only way India will win is if they prepare crap wickets, drop the old and fat has beens and get very lucky!

Posted by Devon_Dumpling on (September 27, 2011, 18:30 GMT)

@Maddy20 - once again the ignorance of some on this forum shines through. For your information (easily available if you could be bothered to check) - the two "Indians" you mentioned: would that be Samit Patel (born Leicester, ENGLAND) and Ravi Bopara (born London, ENGLAND)? Or am i the one who is confused? Why let the facts get in the way of a good story?

The rules are the same for all teams. Its not Englands fault that nobody wants to play for a second or third rate team with no aspiration like Australia or India? I dont remember you chirping up when Andrew Simonds polayed well (born..oh yes...ENGLAND?!).

Get a grip mate...and dont be bitter....one day you might start winning again! :-)

Posted by   on (September 27, 2011, 18:25 GMT)

Good to see some things never change..Such as delusionally optimistic india fans

Posted by   on (September 27, 2011, 18:20 GMT)

@gupta.ankur......same could be said of india outside india i guess,how can the no.1 side lose 4-0 and not top 300 once in tests? Yet eng. win down under easily? Don't remember your boys doing too well there last,with all your superstars in place too!

Posted by Gupta.Ankur on (September 27, 2011, 17:55 GMT)

I think England's fairy-tale story will begin to end come 14th October........they will soon realise that they can only win in helpful weather and pitch combination.......and sadly, none of them exist outside England and Durban.....

Posted by Valavan on (September 27, 2011, 17:50 GMT)

kasyapm says @sundar_revathi..I don't mean to have a go at you, but this view of 'Spinning pitches are not right, there should be pacy pitches everywhere' is not right. Every team has it's own strengths and must play to it. 'A champion has to perform everywhere' is true, but it doesn't mean you play to the strengths of opposition. OK NOW MY COMMENTS. SINCE A CHAMPION TEAM PERFORMS EVERYWHERE AND INDIA CANNOT AFFORD TO PLAY THE STRENGTH OF ENGLAND,THAT MEANS PACY WICKETS, IT CONCLUDES INDIA is NOT a CHAMPION SIDE. An Indian Fan accepted that. If you see the LOGIC here, A champion side plays anywhere regardless the condition, but India cannot play the strength of england, which means India cannot compete with England in Pacy wickets. That sums up. INDIA is WINNER of ODI WORLD CUP. But that doesnt mean they are champion side. Even in tests after taking no.1 spot, India only played a series in SA and SL out of HOME and drew them. So they arent. Cricinfo pleasse publish

Posted by   on (September 27, 2011, 17:48 GMT)

I have no problems with squad named today.

Whilst it is disappointing not to have Anderson playing as he is our best pace bowler it is understandable that he is being rested as he will be vital in the tests against Pakistan in Jan.

This series highlights how impressive England's squad strength and depth is at the moment as without both Broad and Anderson I still believe England will be able to field a better pace attack than India will.

I think the player England will miss this series though is Eoin Morgan. Missing a player of his calibre will always be a blow to the team. But the fact he is are most accomplished player on subcontinent pitches and spin bowling will make his absence more damaging.

Overall i think in home conditions India will most certainly go into this series as favourites. But i honestly think England will be tough opposition and i wouldn't put it past them to win a series against India for the third time this calendar year.

Posted by   on (September 27, 2011, 17:37 GMT)

@valavan:do u think weather can assist England always..no it doesnt..India beat Aus in a bilateral odi series of 3 matches by 1-0 in 2010...1st and 3rd match washed out by rain and 2nd match was won by India...

Posted by Gupta.Ankur on (September 27, 2011, 17:29 GMT)

Haha, ECB has done the right thing by saving Anderson from possible "humiliation" in the sub-continent.....

Also, what "young" brothwick done? his career will be over.........if plays against India....

Posted by kasyapm on (September 27, 2011, 17:15 GMT)

@sundar_revathi..I don't mean to have a go at you, but this view of 'Spinning pitches are not right, there should be pacy pitches everywhere' is not right. Every team has it's own strengths and must play to it. 'A champion has to perform everywhere' is true, but it doesn't mean you play to the strengths of opposition. Spin is India's strength and I feel they should stick to it. I agree that Kumble was average outside sub-continent for the early part of his career. But in the last 6-7 years, he was the mainstay of India's bowling, both at home and away (check the stats of '04 Aus, '07 England and '08 Aus). I don't know about the performances of Prasanna and others (except for the fact that they were great players and part of the spin quartet), so I can't comment on that. But, Anil Kumble is the bowler who has won India more matches than any other.

Posted by Stark62 on (September 27, 2011, 17:11 GMT)


I just realised Meaker is a South African! :D

But I have to say I'm disappointed to not see Stokes name in there because he looks like a real talent.

Posted by   on (September 27, 2011, 17:08 GMT)

Anderson record is not good in India so he has not considered...result will be 3-2

Posted by   on (September 27, 2011, 17:00 GMT)

Is it Englad that is touring India or South Africa ? I am bit confused :)

Posted by Shan156 on (September 27, 2011, 16:26 GMT)

@Ashok Mohanty, LOL. You mean, like, how he destroyed careers of several English players when he toured England couple of months back? He, most probably, destroyed the career of Abhinav Mukund but he doesn't play for England, does he?

Posted by 5wombats on (September 27, 2011, 16:22 GMT)

@Sat Matharu - you again. You just don't learn do you. Talking about "chickening out" is unwise given indian cricketers huge appetite for the call of home when the going gets tough. Lets see - how many indians went home during the summer due to "injury" 5, 6, 7, 8? It's easy to lose count, isn't it? Surely - "Gods" don't get old, or injured, do they?

Posted by Front-Foot-Lunge on (September 27, 2011, 16:21 GMT)

Good Squad for England and the correct decision to rest Anderson, after leaving all the critics (who said he couldn't perform on flat wickets and dry conditions in the last Ashes) with egg on their faces and a thoroughly brilliant last couple of years. As the Indians found out to their horror, he is the best (with steyn) in the world, and England will miss him, but Jimmy has worked harder than anyone in the last two years on his game and this meaningless ODI series in India (why no tests, are India scared of Test matches as well now?) is a good time to rest him. Well played Jimmy, you've left a few people speechless over the last year.

Posted by   on (September 27, 2011, 16:17 GMT)

Andy rested, Broad injured, Whoz next .. Its a nice gimmick from ECB not allowing their blowers to loose the confidence which they got after trashing india.. well they know wats waiting for England team when they tour india . they are well aware .. their Short fame wud be trashed and smashed during this tour and they dnt want their best bowlers to hit the ground so quick after rising high from recent series.. well nver mind .. England will never hold the test position for long they have been and will be a medicore team .. I am jus waitng for see Indian batsmen trashing Swann who wud, for sure .. be injured or will be rested b4 or IN BETWEEN the series ..:) ..Fly Eng Fly .. jus few more days more!!!

Posted by WhoCaresAboutIPL on (September 27, 2011, 16:12 GMT)

All the India fans having a go at Anderson should appreciate that a series of 5 ODIs and a 20/20 does not warrant sending all the best players. They will be kept back until the serious matter of Test Matches in 2012. The ECB has instituted a serious priority and rest regime, and whether or not he had bowled well, it is a waste of Anderson's fitness, and he may have been injured in a series that does not matter to anyone except India fans.... Perhaps if the BCCI had prioritised the team for last summer's Tests over the IPL, it might have been a little bit more interesting!

Posted by sundar_revathi on (September 27, 2011, 15:57 GMT)

if India prepares spitting cobra pitches, they will disgrace themselves. They also have to aware of Swann. Prepare pitches that will help fast bowlers, provide bounce and and a little spin to spinners who can really turn the ball, and even bounce so batsmen can hit through the line and produce lots of runs. Then it is a good match up. Producing fast tracks that also afford seam is good cricket, creating dust bowls and making someone like Anil Kumble unplayable is not good cricket. Anil was pretty ordinary away from home, Bedi, Prasanna wre not.

Posted by   on (September 27, 2011, 15:40 GMT)

plz select irfan pathan in d indian squad............!!!!!!

Posted by landl47 on (September 27, 2011, 15:34 GMT)

It's good to see KP in the squad. I'm sure he'll be eager to do well. A very good tactical decision by England to rest Anderson; ODIs on dry, dusty wickets aren't his strongest suit (though he'd still be better than any seam bowler India has got) and the rest will get him ready for the more important games in the New Year. Great to see Woakes selected and it will be interesting to see Meaker, if he gets a game; he's reported to be quick. The key bowlers for England are likely to be Bresnan and Dernbach, both of whom reverse swing it, Swann and the second spinner, either Patel or (hopefully) Borthwick. Bopara's medium pace might also be useful. England didn't have any problems dealing with India's line-up of second-class spinners in England (unlike India, who couldn't handle Swann on the only turning track they played on) and I don't foresee too much trouble this time either.

Posted by Herath-UK on (September 27, 2011, 15:32 GMT)

Anderson 'resting' is expected and understood;he won't get the same movement in the subcontinent which brings him his wickets ;will he be dropped for the subsequent Test tour to Sri Lanka too? Meaker is fast but I think his selection is bit too soon. Ranil Herath-Kent

Posted by   on (September 27, 2011, 15:25 GMT)

I've been shouting Meakers praises from the rooftops for a while now, it's nice to see that the selectors have been watching, whether this turns into a cap or not remains to be seen...

Shame that Broad wont be there, he was good in what little matchtime he got in the world cup.

Many of the commentators painting England as a team that couldn't win an egg and spoon race outside of Surrey should look up the definition of "Pot calling the kettle black"

Posted by natmastak_so-called on (September 27, 2011, 15:23 GMT)

not sure,if Anderson is rested or dropped,considering his avg in Ind in ODI s is 48 . also feeling bad about broad not visiting Ind,as he has leaked almost 40 runs per wicket in Ind in ODI s. we'll know now how "really great" is swann,as he is going to face best players against spin.

Posted by mubj on (September 27, 2011, 15:20 GMT)

So, when is this South Africa "A" team touring India? :p

Posted by   on (September 27, 2011, 15:16 GMT)

funny. anderson dropped or rested?? he was hit out of the england side in the world cup

Posted by natmastak_so-called on (September 27, 2011, 15:14 GMT)

@ pras punter : mate,seems you are not able to get over your team's downfall.simple fact is your team WAS world champion a while ago ;nd India IS world champion right now.and I hope ,posters here will understand that I am talking about ODI here.peace. and also England fans should not forget their world cup performance too.

Posted by   on (September 27, 2011, 15:13 GMT)

well why is not the true word for anderson come out he has been droppred he can only do well in helpful conditions see what he did in WC

Posted by   on (September 27, 2011, 15:08 GMT)

well, well well.......Indians are back on their home ground.I bet here again ENGLAND are gonna give them hard time.Indians are rusty and even inclusion of previously injured players would not alter the results.GO ENGLAND GO. The game onnnnnnnnn.

Posted by chiggers on (September 27, 2011, 14:56 GMT)

@ Maddy20 - of course, you are correct about the origins of the England side. Enlighten me please; I'm just looking at the KKR side - from which part of Kolkota do Jacques Kallis, Ryan ten Doeschate, Shakib al Hasan and Brett Lee originate please?

Posted by Shhy on (September 27, 2011, 14:55 GMT)

Aaarghhhhh..!!!! I was really disappointed not to see Broad here.. Now i am even more disappointed in not seeing Anderson... Was very curious to see what those green top bullies are made up of against us in our own backyard.. Opportunity missed.. see ya guys in the test series next year..

Posted by Nampally on (September 27, 2011, 14:41 GMT)

@Valavan: The word "Revenge" was in the Author of this article by Andrew who starts by stating "If India are keen on exacting revenge ----" and Swambats further pushed me to state why I am discussing injuries.Although I am a keen Indian Fan, my support will always for the game and the spirit in which it is played. But when unwanted criticism is coming forth I am forced to explain. I am sure India will come well prepared for all the games unlike the disappointing show they put up in England. The cricket fans were badly let down by the Indian teams' lack lustre show.They are capable of doing much better and I hope they show their World Cup champion calibre in these ODI's. Let us forget the word "Revenge".

Posted by jmcilhinney on (September 27, 2011, 14:30 GMT)

@Sat Matharu, I love when people make things up to suit themselves. Of course you're right: Anderson was selected for this tour but he declined the invitation. Yeah right! Maybe the selectors were mindful of his poor showing in the WC and maybe they weren't but, either way, it wasn't Anderson's choice not to go and you know it. You're just saying that because it feels good to bag the opposition, whether justified or not. If you've got a legitimate criticism then by all means go ahead but leave out the ridiculous rhetoric and grand-standing. England's cricketers believe that they can win every game so why would any of them avoid those games? Of course, they won't win every game and may even lose the upcoming series but they all want to be there.

Posted by   on (September 27, 2011, 14:21 GMT)

england will win 3-2 and t20 too

Posted by   on (September 27, 2011, 14:18 GMT)

Let Tim Bresnan come to india... God promise.. Shewag will drop him from international cricket for few months...

Posted by symsun on (September 27, 2011, 14:17 GMT)

Anderson 'Rested'! Oh clever England selectors! Just 2months before he was claimed as the Senior Bowler leading the attack. Its not new senior england players avoiding India Tours. I remember Trescothick leaving early in previous tour. And in wc also someone have left half through the wc. Thats how they respect Cricket World Cup. Now its good move by the selectors after seeing the Leading Bowler creating records for most expensive spells in his previous tours.

Posted by naz_pak on (September 27, 2011, 14:09 GMT)

Calm down folk; England are visting india, yes India have just toured England and have got out classed in every aspect of the game...FAIR & SQUARE; But is it gona be all fair and square in India? DOn't forget the underworld in India; expect india to win the series, its just inevitable...

Posted by allblue on (September 27, 2011, 14:05 GMT)

A good solid squad, but then we've come to expect intelligent selection decisions of late from England. The foundation for England's recent success is the calibre of the selection process, and there are two good examples in the squad. With KP they've had to balance his bruised ego from the loss of the captaincy and his tendency to play for himself rather than the team with his undoubted match-winning potential. They want him in there playing at his best, but will not tolerate disruption to the squad ethos. So far, so good with him. With Bopara, his early Test career had 3 phases - failure, success, failure. They were tough with him, but he went back to Essex, worked hard, and was ready when he was 'next cab off the rank'. His reappearance in the Test side was okay, not brilliant, but he has shown some real signs that at 26 he is ready to cement a place in the ODI/T20 sides at least. Under past regimes, he would have disappeared without trace by now. It should be a fascinating series.

Posted by   on (September 27, 2011, 14:03 GMT)

anderson rested.....what is that mean???he's is your best bowler in the last 18 months or so and you are not bringing him in india and saying that he's rested....you gotta be kidding me!!!selection panel know that jimmy is going to get hammering in the so called revenge series.other bowlers now have to step up and have to share the runs which they are going to give to the indian batsman.also england batting will struggle on the spinning tracks as they were in WC'11.i am afraid that cook will return to england empty handed.

Posted by deep123 on (September 27, 2011, 14:01 GMT)

Anderson rested or feared of his in effectiveness in India? We saw how he performed in India. Eng will be clean swept by India.

Posted by Manoj76 on (September 27, 2011, 13:53 GMT)

Now is the time to show the whole world " Who is Sikander and Who is B.....". If we have all our players fit i.e. Sehwag, Gambhir, Sachin, Raina, Ajinkya, Virat, Yuvraj, Dhoni, Jadeja, Yusuf, Harbhajan, Praveen etc than no one is going to Stop 5-0. Come on India .....

Posted by henchart on (September 27, 2011, 13:45 GMT)

It is pay back time folks and England's funeral on Indian pitches.4-1 India. T 20 might just be England's.

Posted by JLM123 on (September 27, 2011, 13:43 GMT)

It will be nice to beat those flimsy Indians in their own back yard.........I am sure Dhoni with his workload is due a big injury too........bad times for the Indians I think!!

Posted by   on (September 27, 2011, 13:42 GMT)

Last time Anderson played against India in India his figures were something like 9-0-91-0 - hardly the stuff of a world class performer he has been hyped up to be. This tour was his chance to put the record straight, instead by chickening out he has confirmed he is just a greentop bully.

Posted by   on (September 27, 2011, 13:39 GMT)

Brave decision by England. Even if they loose this series they can proudly say that our team was without Broad, Anderson, Morgan.

Posted by siddharth_r2001 on (September 27, 2011, 13:38 GMT)

"Rested" is a rather polite way of saying Anderson was dropped for the Indian tour. What else what was to be expected after the ROYAL PASTING he got in the World Cup, even at the hands of Bangladesh??!!!

Posted by wibblewibble on (September 27, 2011, 13:36 GMT)

Oh boy. Meaker is another one who will be labelled as an RSA import. Born in Durban, moved to England aged 12...

Posted by   on (September 27, 2011, 13:23 GMT)

All comments are interesting.It will be more interesting if the Indian Team reads all of them and give their best in upcoming series.It will be tough for India but not impossible to beat England convinsingly provided all players are fully fit.Let's see,the time is on.

Posted by Shhy on (September 27, 2011, 13:15 GMT)

@Valavan.. Please get your facts right.. Aus lost the ODI series 1-0 against India when they last toured in 2010 against a 2 string indian side..

Posted by Munkeymomo on (September 27, 2011, 13:11 GMT)

Looking forward to see how England will do in tough conditions against good opposition, but more importantly, how some of the youngsters react to the atmosphere. Can they handle a packed Eden Gardens screaming the place down?

Posted by   on (September 27, 2011, 12:41 GMT)

swan comes first bowling in 13 th over. Graeme Swann into the attack 12.1 Swann to Sehwag, no run, turning in towards Sehwag, who back away and punches it to cover 12.2 Swann to Sehwag, 1 wide, whistles down the leg side, he'll have to bowl that one again 12.2 Swann to Sehwag, FOUR, again Sehwag backs away to given himself room and drives it through covers for a boundary 12.3 Swann to Sehwag, SIX, SHOT! in the slot for Sehwag, gets down on one knee and slams that over midwicket for a huge six 12.4 Swann to Sehwag, FOUR, this was fuller from Swann, Sehwag gets his front foot out of the way and smashes it through cover Sehwag's raced along to 49 What will Sehwag do with this ball? 12.5 Swann to Sehwag, FOUR, comes down the track to try bring up his fifty with a six, doesn't get hold of it but it still flies over mid-off for a four 12.6 Swann to Sehwag, 2 runs, and again, Sehwag gets this over extra cover, where Alaistar Cook runs across to prevent another boundary

Posted by din7 on (September 27, 2011, 12:08 GMT)

I m Indian and totally agree with @pras _punter, India is self proclaimed champion side. And for world cup had it been the super eight format India wouldn't have reached even semi finals. Thats the truth bear it. India is/was no where near to the australian side of 2000s anytime, forget it, it never will be. And for ind-eng series it will be 3-2 in either way. Kp if selected will thrash indian bowling apart.

Posted by veerakannadiga on (September 27, 2011, 12:01 GMT)

Oh! How I wish Broad could accompany the team. It would be nice to have an encore of 6 * 6's. Just because he bowled well in those grassy England wickets does not make him a good bowler. As the Great Martina Navartoliva used to say about Wimbledon "Grasses are for Cows". You need real talent to bowl on sub-continent turfs.Hiding behind injury is a nice way to escape. In the case of KP, he will do well on this tour. He is a real real talent.In fact if selected, he could end up the highest scoring English player on this tour.

Posted by   on (September 27, 2011, 11:38 GMT)

kp should be in the team without morgan they need a power hitter in the middle over. I want to see the old dashing kp. This odi series will be very tough for them as they have a bad record in india except kp who has always played well here. I want kp to be selected but whether kp or not very tough series for england. Swann will be the key but INDIA is definately favourites here they are too good to beat on home ground it will take some effort for eng players to beat ind...... kp should be in the team without morgan they need a power hitter in the middle over. I want to see the old dashin kp. This odi series will be very tough for them as they have a bad record in india except kp who has always played well here. I want kp to be selected but whether kp or not very tough series for england. Swann will be the key but INDIA is definately favourites here they are too good to beat on home ground it will take some effort for eng players to beat ind......

Posted by Tatsache on (September 27, 2011, 11:25 GMT)

Waiting for Ind vs Eng series.....and when will close CLT20 ?? ..I hope it will finish as early..

Posted by   on (September 27, 2011, 11:23 GMT)

@Pras_Punter.. Woww.. So.. u think that as thrashing.. How abt chkin d current U19 match between Aus and Ind.. I thought, this is wt ppl call thrashing.. Jus chill mate.. thr is no use in talking abt the past glory.. Lets live in present.. Current Aus team is nowhere near that 2003 Team.. Bt, India has improved a lot since then.. Though, I must agree - not as mighty as Aus of '03.. But surely will be tougher opponent 4 ur team on any day.. Aus was a gr8 team b4.. But, certainly not now.. Hey, wait.. btw, wt is AUS to do wid dis NEWS here..

Posted by Herbet on (September 27, 2011, 10:33 GMT)

EMbu, that was brilliant, i've never heard that joke before. No problems with the squad, with the injuries that is about what we have to take. Good to see some youngsters getting ago though they'll be likely to struggle in such alien conditios and therefore Pietersen pulling his finger out and actually turning up is vital.

Posted by PrasPunter on (September 27, 2011, 9:29 GMT)

@paullie- thank you mate.

@ serious-am-i ; a few things to clarify - i was pointing to our ( Aus ) victories in response to @Mahesh's assertion that we have struggled in india in ODIs. I dont forget your team's win against England in the final and the 5-0 win over them in 08 .

And just to correct, Aus beat india 3-2 in 2001 in india ( which you called as the vvspecial series ) and not the other way. you won the first game, we won the 2nd, you won the 3rd and we won the 4th and 5th.

And as Paullie said, I hope you dont refer to us as the team that lost to india in Wc 2003 ( should i recollect what we did to your team ? We played your team twice and won both. Guess what, your scores of 125 and 234 equalled our total of 359 in the final , thats what we call as thrashing isnt it ? )

Posted by PrasPunter on (September 27, 2011, 9:16 GMT)

@harpreet sehmi, one swallow doesnt make a summer. Dont you remember the innumerable times your so-called greats got beaten by us in the World Cups ? Remember 87, 92, 96 and 99 ? And how about the thrashing you folks had in 03 final ? your nation was scared enough to have a tougher format for the WC , after having got beaten to pulp in 07 and settled in for an easy one !! You are proud about an one-in-thousand victory ? And you call yourselves as "mighty". Couldnt stop laughing.

Posted by embu on (September 27, 2011, 9:11 GMT)

Surely this is RSA discards versus India.

Posted by symsun on (September 27, 2011, 8:45 GMT)

These bits and pieces all-rounder are going to get hit to the ropes in the subcontinent and they going to struggle to bat with the spin options India have at home (not necessary to be turning tracks). Ashwin / Raina / Harbajan / Ohja / Mishra all going to get wickets at will. England's otherside will be exposed soon. Welcome to Subcontinent (Lords of Cricket).

Posted by 5wombats on (September 27, 2011, 8:15 GMT)

@maddy20 - oh yeah - sorry, I forgot - you don't do gracious, do you?

Posted by jmcilhinney on (September 27, 2011, 7:57 GMT)

@prannsshu, that's quite well said but, really, no one player is going to be the key. Obviously India will be a more difficult proposition on their home turf, plus they will have some injured players back and the ODIs in England were much more closely-fought than the test matches anyway. England need several players at least to step up if they are to contest the series and I doubt that much less than a full team performance will result in a series win. I have confidence that they are capable of that performance, but that doesn't mean that it will eventuate. Certainly a significant contribution from Bopara would go a long way towards that. I guess KP is one of those players though where, if he does well, the rest of the team can draw encouragement and confidence from that. I'm not sure Bopara can have quite the same catalytic effect, but every contribution will be valuable.

Posted by   on (September 27, 2011, 7:53 GMT)

@prannsshu Agreed with you. Bopara played VITAL Role in English batting in the absence of (inform) KP and Morgan.

Posted by ramenvis on (September 27, 2011, 7:52 GMT)

If Johnny Bairstow can keep wickets , I guess Bell can move up the order with cook KP at 4 and Bopara at 5 which is a good spin batting combination that would put Bairstow at 6 and Patel at 7 and Bresnan to follow

Posted by   on (September 27, 2011, 7:49 GMT)

@ Nampally The series is not started and you have started pretending Injuries. When the CLT20 will be over. You will have another LAME EXCUSE as one or two player may got injure in busy championship. When the series was underway, They said they will win against home in October but excuses are started very earlier. Isn't it???????????????

Posted by prannsshu on (September 27, 2011, 7:10 GMT)

i wanna ask a que to every one doesnt matter if u r a english fan or indian fan...jst ans me..... no. of people are saying "bell is the key.... cook is the key...blah blah... where is RAVI BOPARA.. the top scorer of last series for english side..one of the best batsman of england against spin...... having a good record in sub-continent ...... do u forget his class match winning knock against RSA in world cup.. or 2 50's in last tour of india???????????? why u all are always neglecting this guy........m d big fan of bopara......he also made record wid bowl few days before.... wat else u required guys...... for me simply bopara is the key for england nt with bat only bt also with his handy medium pace......!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by   on (September 27, 2011, 6:44 GMT)

@Valavan.. For your Kind Info, its not Nampally who talks abt revenge here, bt d English journalist who wrote dis article.. Nampally is jus tryin to respond to dat.. Its better u use some sense to understand wts goin on, b4 u comment on others..

Posted by   on (September 27, 2011, 6:40 GMT)

@Valavan. ya.. Aus last decade has a very gud ODI side.. Bt, still they manage to lose against young Indian side in their own backyard.. Lets not talk abt QF drubbing which AUS received r the proud record which India holds in a WC Final. If u mention d 100 run defeat in WC final as a unique, thn thr r many other uniques. like - A team failing defend a score of 430+ in a ODI which is very much unique achievement across all games/series(not only on WC final)..

Posted by   on (September 27, 2011, 6:23 GMT)

Indian attack the way it is and its pitches are the best place for anyone to regain form. So if England wants Peterson to return to form then there may not be better opportunity than this.

Posted by maddy20 on (September 27, 2011, 6:19 GMT)

@5Wombats When England field a team of 11 Englishmen, and win I would be the first one to congratulate them. Rightnow there are 5 Saffas(Strauss, Trott, Dernbach, KP, Kieswetter), 1 Irishman(Morgan) and 2 Indians. I am not sure you can call that an English team.

Posted by   on (September 27, 2011, 6:09 GMT)

Well England tired the young batsman against WI's 3rd XI and look what happened... so i would think some experience is needed and KP brings that. MY top 7 would be Cook, Kieswetter, Trott, Pieterson, Bairstow, Bopara, Patel/Bresnan(depends on pitch)

Posted by johnathonjosephs on (September 27, 2011, 5:31 GMT)

Pieterson must be included...i just hope these injured people can make it up for the test series... would like to see kieswatter up for a call for the tests along with bopara to show their subcontinent skills

Posted by   on (September 27, 2011, 5:02 GMT)

Englend need to exepernce player fir the india tour,, bcz tahy want to revange for resenty tour,, Pietersion have to included in the team,, Bell is key for the India tour,,

Posted by Valavan on (September 27, 2011, 5:00 GMT)

@Nampally, is it a hollywood movie to speak about revenge, play attacking cricket and show the capability in field, the same thing indian fans did before the start of England summer. @serious-am-i, PrasPunter was saying about India Vs Aus in ODIs in India, You must get your facts right, in 2001 the so called VVS special series, Aus won the ODI by 3 - 2. India yet to win a bilateral ODI series in India against Australia for a long time.@Harpreet Sehmi, QF drubbing was not as cool as 2003 WC final thrashing in the hands of OZ. Not a single country have a more than 100 run thrashing in WC Finals. India is the proud runner up who got more than 100 run thrashing in a WC final.

Posted by Lmaotsetung on (September 27, 2011, 4:42 GMT)

If KP is not on the plane to India then he probably won't play ODI for England ever again. It's a short 2 week series then England is on a long vacation through Christmas and New Year, a full 2 months of rest and time with family before they star their winter tours. Bell's ODI place is still in question. #5 is Morgan's spot and #6 does not suit him. Ideally he's be a great #3 but Trott is there atm and hard to drop someone scoring 1000 runs in a calendar year. Basically Bell/Bopara + Youngsters are fighting for that #6 spot cause remember in ODI you need 5 bowlers. Don't know why people bother to respond to cool2cool. All he does is repeat the same thing over and over again.

Posted by __PK on (September 27, 2011, 4:21 GMT)

LOL Harpreet Sehmi, you make me laugh. You're obviously trying to be funny. Australia may have won whole series, but India won one match! Take that, Pras! And serious-am-i also obviously isn't. Where did the Natwest Series go? Not the subcontinent, which was Pras' whole point. And just what country are you talking about who lost to India in the 2003 WC? Not Australia, that's for sure - now there's a thrashing in a final, Harpreet Sehmi.

Posted by Gupta.Ankur on (September 27, 2011, 4:19 GMT)

Don't really think England can expect much of their batting line-up/players whp are poor aginst spinners and hot & humid conditions....

I don't see them doing well here and also there won't be rains to save them....

Posted by   on (September 27, 2011, 3:44 GMT)

I think they should make Swann captain and have a top six of Kieswetter, Taylor, Bopara, Stokes, Buttler and Bairstow, in other words a Lions team. Since there seems to be no point in this tour other than to give India a chance to win a game and pretend they haven't just been trounced all summer long, I think we should send what is not so much a 2nd XI, but a team for the future. One that will probably still win against an Indian team that still seems to be in denial that its good.

Posted by   on (September 27, 2011, 0:56 GMT)

i think KP is the best possible batsmen for Eng and i think dropping him shall be a big mistake. He can take the match by its throat and dominate the innings in the middle overs. Almost none other ODI team have such fluorishing batsmen in the middle.

Posted by Nampally on (September 27, 2011, 0:08 GMT)

@Swombats: Yes Mate, I fully realize that this article is not about injured players.In the very first para Andrew states "If India are serious about exacti9ng some measure of revenge---".I was trying to respond to that by pointing that India may not be able to put what you so graciously termed "Tired Old Men" - Tendulkar, Sehwag, Yuvraj - on the field because they may not be match fit. So the so called "revenge" has to be exacted by younger group. But England will taste some bitter medicine thru' bowlers like Ojha, Rahul Sharma, if the Selectors are awake. These 2 can repeat what the WI spinners did to England in the second ODI. So Swombats, don't worry the Game is ON with or without the "Tired Old Men"!.

Posted by landl47 on (September 26, 2011, 23:45 GMT)

KP hasn't played much ODI cricket this year. He had a hernia early in the year and went home for surgery, so didn't play in the WC. He had 4 innings against Sri Lanka, none of them stellar, and that's it. I'd like to see him play because I think against India in the tests the light went on for him, just as it did for Broad. If he plays, I think he'll try to build an innings so he can score quickly later on, instead of thrashing immediately. Most England players play better that way. However, if he doesn't go, it's no huge deal. They're only playing ODIs and a T20, not tests, so it's not that important. England will be fine with or without KP.

Posted by RAVI_BOPARA on (September 26, 2011, 22:24 GMT)


Posted by 5wombats on (September 26, 2011, 22:03 GMT)

Oh - @maddy20; there you are. I haven't seen any signs from you yet of graciously congratulating England on their fabulous performances this summer. Go on - you know you want to.

Posted by 5wombats on (September 26, 2011, 21:29 GMT)

@Ed Lamb - I'm with you on this one. Surely KP is a stone wall certainty. But he may not be!? There was some kind of falling out during the WC - remember. No matter what the spin was at the time, the fact is KP came home. It wouldn't be out of the question for him to be dropped! This "new" England are a mean lot - if you don't perform, you're gone. IMO the issues are to do with KP's temperament - does he want to be there? If he gives any whiff of not being up for it - he won't be on the plane. Having said all that - I'm certain he'll go on tour this winter. His ego won't allow him not to! @Nampally - this article is not about india's injured and/or tired old men, I wasn't sure if you hadn't realised.

Posted by   on (September 26, 2011, 20:25 GMT)

England are about to see how 2 of their options play in India with Kieswetter and Buttler on their way to play 3 games against top attacks on Indian tracks. KP has to go on the tour. He said he wants it and with Morgan out he is key especially coming off a great test series.

Posted by   on (September 26, 2011, 20:11 GMT)

Hope pietersen will be allowed to play his natural game,and free off controversies.

Posted by serious-am-i on (September 26, 2011, 20:07 GMT)

Pras I guess u should get ur facts right too. Where did the Natwest series go ? Was that invisible ? Yuvaraj and Mohd Kaif won the finals. So mind you correct the facts as well. You lost against India in 2003 WC also. btw! Aus lost to India 3-2 in the VVS special series. England lost 5-0 while KP was captain, when nasser was captain they drew series.

Posted by maddy20 on (September 26, 2011, 20:00 GMT)

@cool2cool I am sure he is coz he plays for Somerset LOL :D After all he is a South African. I will also not be surprised if Murali Karthik, Alfonso Thomas and George Dockrell play for England coz they play the English county too and most importantly they are of Indian, South African and Irish origin which always seems to attract English selectors to pick them!

Posted by   on (September 26, 2011, 19:50 GMT)

@ Pras_Punter .... Ok agreed that Aus have won those series in India....but that is Incomparable to the loss that the Aussies suffered wen they were thrashed by the mighty Indians in the QFinals(.... causing the out of form Punter to make way for Clarke :P)

Posted by OhhhhMattyMatty on (September 26, 2011, 19:27 GMT)

The kids learnt a valuable lesson. Don't take things for granted. They are still the most talented youngsters in world cricket and the best ones: Taylor, Briggs, Woakes and Harris didn't even get a game!

Posted by PrasPunter on (September 26, 2011, 19:18 GMT)

@ Mahesh Devaguptapu, aus struggled only in tests , not in ODIs in india. We have beaten your team in every ODI series from 1998 till 2009. 1998 ( winners - tri-series ) , 2001 ( 3-2 - bilateral series ), 2003 ( winners tvs cup beating your team thrice including final ) , 2006 ( winners champions trophy ), 2007 ( winners 4-2 bilateral ) and 2009 ( winners 4-2 bilateral ). get your facts right.

Posted by serious-am-i on (September 26, 2011, 19:04 GMT)

I will not be seriously surprised if another unfit Indian XI represent themselves against the touring English side. This time the reason of blame would be CLT 20.

Posted by cool2cool on (September 26, 2011, 18:59 GMT)

Is van der Merwe eligible to play for England?

Posted by Nampally on (September 26, 2011, 18:50 GMT)

England Team cannot do without Cook, KP, Trott & Bell in the top batting order just as Swann, Anderson & Bresnan are in bowling.While England have no new injuries, the Indian team's casuakity Ward is still full. Tendulkar, Sehwag, Yuvraj, Rohit and Zaheer are still missing and will probably be not match fit in time. Gambhir is only just returning. India may still with their top players missing. In view of absence of the openers, India will likely open with Rahane & Gambhir or Parthiv. Kohli, Raina, Tiwary& Dhoni will fill 4 batting spots.In my opinion, Rahul Sharma must be tried along with Ojha as the spinners with Harbhaja/Ashwin the 3rd spinner.Kumar & Ishant will be the seamers - 6 batsmen + 5 bowlers.An all rounder like Yuvraj or Pathan(if fit) may replace Ojha.If Tendulkar & Sehwag are match fit, then they will open the innings with Gambhir, Raina, Kohli, Dhoni as 4 batsmen.Unlike England, the injured players if available & fit, lack match practice. Dravid is badly needed.

Posted by Optic on (September 26, 2011, 18:30 GMT)

@harekrishnaom No he hasn't, just stupid rumors from papers looking for stories which aren't there.

Posted by Optic on (September 26, 2011, 18:29 GMT)

The facts are when it come to the big games and high pressure arena's he thrives in them and the cauldrons that England will find themselves in, in India he will perform. He's got a very healthy average over 50 in India and his IPL experience where the last time he played averaged 55, will be crucial. Without Broad & Morgan he will be essential as a lead player and a gun batsmen. Wouldn't surprise me just like he has this summer, if we saw more of the old 50 over KP smashing it to all parts in India . It was a little stupid resting him from the ODI series , seen as he was in amazing form, now he'll have had a couple of months off when he plays in India. The funny thing is he still does it every time in 20/20 games for England, he's never lost form there and if I was picking a world XI he'd be one of the first names on the sheet.

Posted by   on (September 26, 2011, 18:07 GMT)

aus , pak , sl all struggled against india in india. Its gonna be 5-0 for india .. no worries.

england donest have tht much scene to win a odi series in india

Posted by bumsonseats on (September 26, 2011, 18:07 GMT)

if a dry wicket was wanted. then i cannot understand, why the whole squad did not get a game, been that the only guy not selected was a spinner. the games i found very strange that we bowled 1st both times. and be it that if we win the toss in india we will most likely bat 1st. dpk

Posted by harekrishnaom on (September 26, 2011, 17:58 GMT)

I thought Pieterson retired from ODIs...or have failed to read something.

Posted by NairUSA on (September 26, 2011, 17:53 GMT)

Team India should not anticipate easy victories against this new England side. Even though the cow pastures in england did give some advantage to the english side during the last Indian tour, there is nothing that suggests that they cannot repeat the same performance in the dustbowls of India. Indian players should take the matches seriously and put in their best to overcome this english side if they need to keep their relevance in the ODIs.

Posted by   on (September 26, 2011, 17:52 GMT)

KP has lost the spark with 50 over cricket (I remember the days his average was 50 in both forms), but on his day he is deadly. You'd be mad to leave out the leading run scorer in the Test series between the sides - KP was in great form this season gone, true he hasn't played since then, but even without match practice I'm sure he can reproduce his Test heroics. I've not been at all impressed by Ben Stokes who seems quite out of his depth. Dernbach needs to close the door a little, leaks too many runs. Bairstow had a good start, but that is just after one match. Luke Wright hit a 50 on ODI debut against India in 2007, all the hype came to nothing.

Posted by Gupta.Ankur on (September 26, 2011, 17:45 GMT)

I don't think KP will be the key..........the key will be if they english weather conditions and swinging pitches in india.........

Posted by jonesy2 on (September 26, 2011, 17:43 GMT)

who cares? pieterson is average

Posted by motiur_rahman on (September 26, 2011, 17:21 GMT)

Is Dhoni asleep ?

Wake him for a mini T20.

Poor guy , I sometimes feel sad for him . He plays so much cricket , its very sad to see for a player to work like that week after week , continuously .

Posted by Rakim on (September 26, 2011, 16:58 GMT)

All Indian fans think spin bowling will give them victories, what about Swan? In tests his bowling will be crucial too. I hope India team put some fight this time

Posted by bumsonseats on (September 26, 2011, 16:24 GMT)

up 2 yesterday i was all about picking the young guys along with abit of experience. but yesterday was a disappointment. they just did not stand up 2 the plate. if they had failed to run down 190 as that would have been tough. but they showed no bottle with a score of less than 90.so maybe just a couple of young 1s and more senior squade. dpk

Posted by   on (September 26, 2011, 16:18 GMT)

Given Morgan's injury surely Pietersen is a nailed on certainty, if he wasn't before (which I presume he was). I'd be gobsmacked if they left him out, irrespective of his average of 23.3 over the last 2 years or not. For me the top 9 is done and dusted for the ODIs assuming fitness - Cook, Kieswetter, Trott, Pietersen, Bell, Bopara, Patel, Bresnan, Swann. And in Twenty20 Pietersen was man of the tournament in the World T20 so clearly he's a certainty unless they rest him.

It's not April fools day - there must be some other reason why there's a story about Pietersen possibly not being picked?

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