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New Powerplay conditions 'tricky' - Dhoni

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October 13, 2011

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MS Dhoni, the India captain, has said that adjusting to the ICC's revised playing conditions regarding Powerplays will be "tricky" during the ODI series against England, which begins in Hyderabad on October 14. The changes to the playing conditions took effect on October 1, and India and England will be using them for the first time in this series.

Teams will have to start the batting and bowling Powerplays at the beginning of any over between the 16th and the 36th over for a full game. Under the previous playing conditions, teams could begin the Powerplays from the start of the 11th over to the start of the 46th over.

"It's a bit tricky as we have not yet played any match under this new Powerplay," Dhoni told PTI. "It would certainly need a different approach as the second and third Powerplay will now be taken within the 16th and the 40th over.

"Earlier, while chasing, teams would be happy to keep the batting Powerplay for the last five overs. But now we have to make few changes in tactics. It will have different results till we get used to it."

The other major change to the playing conditions is the use of two new balls - one from either end - during an innings. The mandatory change of ball that took place at the end of the 34th over has been done away with. Dhoni said this amendment could reduce the amount of reverse swing because each ball will be only 25-overs-old.

"A bit of swing will definitely be there but there may not be as much reverse swing as we expect in the subcontinent," he said. "Now the reverse swing also depends a lot on the nature of outfield and how you make the ball, but of course legally."

The home ODIs against England are India's first international matches since the poor summer in England, where they lost the Test series 0-4 and the ODIs 0-3. It was primarily the inability of India's bowlers to contain that led to the defeats in the ODIs.

"During the tour of England, performance of the batsmen was impressive. Here we have a different bowling department and it's an opportunity for them to do well in home conditions," Dhoni said. "They have played a lot of IPL but this will be a different ball game.

"We have had a few youngsters who did well in England. Also the wickets were very different out there. For us what matters most is good performance in all three departments."

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Posted by   on (October 14, 2011, 13:28 GMT)

Both batting and bowling powerplays have to taken be between 16th and 40th over (for a full game). But what is the rule if neither batting nor bowling powerplay is taken until the end of 30th over. So after this only 10 overs are left between 31-40 overs. Then how would it be handled, if both batting and bowling captains want to take the powerplay between 36-40 overs. Same scenario could have been there in previous regime as well where both teams might want to take power play between 46-50 overs. I am sure this possibilty would have been thought off by the rule makers and there would be some more rule to circumvent this situation. Does anybody reading this know about it?

Posted by   on (October 14, 2011, 13:07 GMT)

What happens if they mix the the two balls ? who is in charge of each ball used for each end ? I'm confused.

Posted by vlinus on (October 14, 2011, 8:42 GMT)

Vikas, rule is simple.bowlers cant choose which bowl to ball. one ball will be bowled from one end and another ball will be bowled from another end.so basically every over the ball is changed.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (October 14, 2011, 8:41 GMT)

For those wondering or confused, the rule regarding the ball was, up to now, that one ball was used for overs 1 to 34 and then a second ball was used for overs 35 to 50. The ball change is mainly so that the batsmen can see the ball, which tends to discolour easily. Now, there will two balls used at the same time, one from each end. Each ball will be used for the full 25 overs from that end. This used to be the way it was done in Australia back in the 80s.

Posted by   on (October 14, 2011, 8:38 GMT)

@viksgupta, the rule will mean that there will be 2 balls associated with 2 ends of bowling. So ball # 1 will be used for bowling overs # 1,3,5,7,9 etc (odd#) and it will be in umpire#1's pocket during the overs from the other end. Ball # 2 will be used for overs # 2,4,6,8,10, 20, 50 etc and it will be in umpire#2's pocket when ball # 1 is in use.

Posted by Prats6 on (October 14, 2011, 8:30 GMT)

MSD keeps on making excuses for the forthcoming bad performances. Seems even he believes, his luck is running out. I am not against MSD, I am against someone who is impersonating MSD. This guy used to be the man who took everything head on. Come On, MS, for the people who have been with you and really want to see you do well, once again; start afresh. Forget about the results, just play the way you can. Be Honest, Be Yourself. Or am I asking too much?

Posted by maddy20 on (October 14, 2011, 8:21 GMT)

@Front-Foot-Lunge You mean like winning two 50-over Wordlcups and maintaining the Number 1 status for 2 and half years?

Posted by   on (October 14, 2011, 8:15 GMT)

New young faces in bowling department hopefully some of them capitalises ..

Posted by   on (October 14, 2011, 7:59 GMT)

@Viksgupta: its that for all odd overs (1,3,5...) they'll use one ball, and for all even overs they'll use another...simple! but simply unwanted! this will discourage spinners......

Posted by Viksgupta on (October 14, 2011, 7:33 GMT)

wats with this Two new balls from either end rule?? Does that mean Ball will be changed every alternate over fr different bowlers?? How will bowlers decide which bowl is doing good fr them? can sm1 explain wat exactly is ths rule?

Posted by   on (October 14, 2011, 7:20 GMT)

I am an eternal optimist..the results in England was an aberration...there is enough talent here and our conditions are different.. their bowlers will struggle here just as ours struggled there....and there is nothing wrong in this..any good team is the one which plays well on all conditions..and all types of wicket..cricket is not swing bowling or fast bowling alone....we shall prevail!!

Posted by   on (October 14, 2011, 7:17 GMT)

@Front-Foot-Lunge.. Seriously..?? I hope u r jokin.. Rn't u..??

Posted by Front-Foot-Lunge on (October 14, 2011, 6:04 GMT)

Never in the history of the game has a captain made so many excuses BEFORE the series even starts!

Yet another embarrassment for India, to add to an already encyclopaedic list!

Posted by   on (October 14, 2011, 5:30 GMT)

yuvi,sehwag will b missed they r the back bone but good chance for rahane and tiwari to prove their class.however new ball rule is a double edged sword it can help one team over another.english if having pace for long time will make batting easy also spinners will suffer may b not ashwin he bowls in powerplays.broad,morgan,strauss will b missed.

Posted by   on (October 14, 2011, 5:19 GMT)

I feel the change in use of power play overs will certainly have a great effect on the batting line up.The fielding as well as the batting side can use these overs to use it to its strength; this is evident from the fact that these power play overs have not always benefited the batting side. Having said that I am looking forward to the totals that can be achieved by teams as they will necessarily use this strategy. Power hitters will become key in the batting line up for the ODI's too.

Posted by vinayespn on (October 14, 2011, 4:51 GMT)

@AidanFX: Both points you have made on powerplays and England thrashing India in this series are very valid.. the whole process of having powerplays was to make the captain and players more innovative and creative in choosing powerplays.. instead they are hesitant to make decisions with fear of media and experts' backlash.. this change would force them to make decisions on the fly instead of depending on coaches or think tank.. mandatory new ball after 25 overs makes it more exciting.. hope it works in bowlers' favor.. India's bowling is very weak, they will lose all their matches when batsmen fail to put a score in excess of 350 runs as all these tracks would be belters..

Posted by   on (October 14, 2011, 4:37 GMT)

This rule will only make the bowling power play be taken at 16th over instead if the 11th and the batting at 36th not the 45th. This will not change a thing!

Posted by jmcilhinney on (October 14, 2011, 4:31 GMT)

"During the tour of England, performance of the batsmen was impressive". That's an interesting quote from Dhoni. I read on another site that he said "The performance of the batsmen was very impressive in England, especially in the ODI series". Surely he doesn't mean that the batting was impressive in the test series. Other than Dravid, there were very few innings of note. The ODIs were a different story though.

Posted by Sircar on (October 14, 2011, 2:17 GMT)

Our bowling lineup now for the first two ODIs consists of the following newcomers who have Umesh Yadav, Vinay Kumar, Rahul Sharma, Varun Aaron, the following veterans, Praveen Kumar, Ravichandran Ashwin, and one Mr. Ravindra Jadeja (the less spoken about him the better). Again we are going into this England series on the strength of our batting where we will miss Sachin Tendulkar, Virendra Sehwag, Yuvraj Singh, and Rahul Dravid. So it would be togh to say the least. At this juncture, even Harbhajan would have been precious even just to stem the flow of runs.

Posted by AidanFX on (October 14, 2011, 1:49 GMT)

I actually like the powerplay change. I got so annoyed at the aimless why Ponting used it. Teams just don't think they have a partnership going in the mid overs yet wait to over 43 onwards. It would be nice to see teams break the trend and see the batting team if it is doing well use the powerplay in succession after the bowling powerplayer (Has a team done that yet?). I am reading so many comments, even from Surav saying India will wollop Eng. Sorry I don't see it. Eng are too well organised at the moment. As mentioned below Ind is no longer the fortress it used to be in the first place. The BCCI seem to be just assuming the Eng fiasco was just a blip (injuries and and stuff), well maybe they need to be thrashed again to hammer the point the time to make excuses for them team is no more, reconstruction and rebuilding needs to take place.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (October 14, 2011, 0:26 GMT)

I think too much is being made of the powerplay rule change. Up to now, many fielding captains have chosen to take the bowling powerplay from over 11 if they felt that the batsmen weren't scoring too quickly, while batting captains have just left the batting powerplay until the end for the slog. Now, the captains will have to evaluate the state of the game at the end of each over and decide whether they feel that they are currently in charge and can make use of the powerplay. For fielding captains, that means that the run rate is currently not too high and, particularly, are there new batsmen at the crease. For batting captains, that means that there are two set batsmen at the crease capable of accelerating. I don;t see that as being such a big deal and is what the most thinking captains would have been doing anyway.

Posted by bitofcricket on (October 13, 2011, 23:53 GMT)

The POM's will punish the local lads. I tip India to pick up a consolation win in the 4th match but otherwise it'll be one way traffic.

Posted by   on (October 13, 2011, 21:55 GMT)

Dhoni has all right to be concern. This is not very good news for India. Bowling nor Batting. It will be pace & more pace. They don't have many good new ball bowlers neither do they have very good players of pace & short pitch bowling. Dhoni's concerns r genuine. On the other hand this is good news for the WI. Our batters r more at home with pace & we have very good pace & medium pace bowlers. Having said that, pitch preparation will be very important. Maybe slow pitches will be the answer. Some very interesting changes.

Posted by binojpeter on (October 13, 2011, 21:37 GMT)

I agree that Dhoni has made excuses before. But how can this be viewed as an excuse? He was just answering the questions regarding what he felt about the new changes are going to affect his captaincy decisions? I don't see any excuses here.

Posted by   on (October 13, 2011, 21:15 GMT)

dhoni is rich of luck may the luck helps him to win this series

Posted by   on (October 13, 2011, 21:02 GMT)

indian team will perform well if the team is balanced by both seniors and youngsters bcoz at international level a team needs talent as well as experience

Posted by rajputvikram on (October 13, 2011, 19:42 GMT)

don't disappoint us MS...we know you are short of good players at this stage..however we also know how capable leader you are..don't disappoint us plz

Posted by Precioustar84 on (October 13, 2011, 17:21 GMT)

@asthomas911 and @Ian Fibbo -- where is Dhoni making excuses?? what the hell are you guys reading? He is simply talking about the new changes made because the reporter probably asked him what he feels about it. I see nothing wrong with this article. Don't overanalyze every little thing Dhoni or Team India says or does. If Cook was asked, he probably would've said the same but of course that wouldn't be excuses, right?

Posted by Nampally on (October 13, 2011, 17:18 GMT)

Change of rules especially the new ball from each end is likely to help England more than India.Will this mean that India will go with 3 pace bowlers instead of 2 ?I expected Rahul Sharma & Ashwin to be the 2 spinners with Kumar, Yadev & Aaron in pace. It will also mean India will have to do with 6 batsmen -Gambhir, Rahane, Kohli, Raina, Dhoni & M.Tiwary/Jadeja. This 6-5 combination gives India some balance in bowling. But it puts the pressure on all 6 batsmen to perform. I hope Gambhir & Kohli show the form they exibited in CLT20 games. Raina & Dhoni should rise up and bat well as they did in some ODI's in England.Rahane, Tiwary & Jadeja have the potential but are in experienced.This is why India should have persuaded Dravid to provide the batting back bone in absence of Sehwag, Tendulkar & Yuvraj.Y.Pathan would have been an experienced choice than Jadeja.If Parthiv Patel opens then India will have to drop a bowler. Parthiv is good opener but has fielding limitations unlees he is WK

Posted by devalyagnik2003 on (October 13, 2011, 16:58 GMT)

I don't understand why they just keep changing rules!! Its getting more and more complex and with the rule of two new balls per inning medium pacers and spinners are in a big trouble now... with power plays in middle overs and a new ball its tricky for bowling side when to get a new ball and when to take a power play, earlier during bowling and batting power plays many times most of the teams used spinners and slow bowlers for giving less boundaries but now that won't be the case.. its like a dream come true for fast bowlers and a punishment for slow/medium and spin bowlers

Posted by   on (October 13, 2011, 15:41 GMT)

Come on India, you can do it. We are champs. England tour is one of those which every team will undergo who is playing no stop cricket. But honestly, IPL should be banned for ever. It is like a slow poison creeping into the test cricket. Any country should have a stronger test team to perform in all formats.

Posted by Thisismyopinion on (October 13, 2011, 15:34 GMT)

India does not have home advantage anymore...England recently played the WC in India, most of the good international players play in the IPL or have played in the CLT20...England has already won their 1st tour game in India. And given India's star players are unfit, this will be more of the same.

BCCI totally lacks vision - Why they haven't hired West Indian or Aussie fast bowling greats and developed fast bowling talent within India defeats me. Physique not a valid excuse anymore - enough people displaying physicality in Bollywood now...everyone's gym'ing these days...Talent needs to be nurtured and developed from middle school - not IPL, that's too late.

Posted by Naresh28 on (October 13, 2011, 15:23 GMT)

At least Mumbai Indians won a T20 game against Somerset. Thats some respite Guys Dhoni is only pointing out a fact. From where I see it that the ball change will favour the English bowlers. Indian batsman will have to be at their best. The good news is that Kohli and gambhir are back in form. For the future India needs to find a good pacer from Mithun, Yadav, Varun and Unadkat. This will have to be someone who can pair with Ishant. A good left armer is needed. Also we need bench strength in the pace department.

Posted by Behind_the_bowlers_arm on (October 13, 2011, 14:57 GMT)

The World Cup seems a long time ago doesnt it? The Dhoni from then didnt seem spooked by these minor fripperies. Write the numbers 16 to 36 on individual pieces of paper and get the coach to pick one of them out of a batting helmet.

Posted by asthomas911 on (October 13, 2011, 14:35 GMT)

I HAVE NEVER COME ACROSS A CAPTAIN WHO MAKES SO MANY EXCUSES

Posted by saad_619 on (October 13, 2011, 14:27 GMT)

im sure dhoni will make a good strategy for the new rules.... let hope that it works!!!!!!!

Posted by   on (October 13, 2011, 13:56 GMT)

Now he's making his excuses before games.

Posted by   on (October 13, 2011, 13:52 GMT)

India.. please win a game! enough of the torture

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