India v England, 2nd ODI, Delhi October 16, 2011

England need quick response to stay in series

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Match Facts

October 17, Delhi
Start time 1430 (0900GMT)

The Big Picture

The first one-day international was a rude awakening for a young England team and already the talk has begun of 'here we go again' when it comes to their one-day record in India. The warning signs are certainly there - three years ago India won the first ODI in Rajkot by 158 runs to begin their march to a 5-0 scoreline before the series was curtailed - and it will be a major test of the Alastair Cook-Andy Flower combination to respond to the opening result. A five-match series gives the visitors time to fight back, but that recovery has to start in Delhi otherwise there will be too much daylight between the teams.

Back on home soil, with time to move on from the defeats in England, India looked much more like the marauding force that took the World Cup. For Duncan Fletcher (and, to a lesser degree, MS Dhoni) the India team is a long-term project as a rebuilding phase begins and he'll be heartened by some of the performances. Put coloured clothes on Suresh Raina and he's a world-beater, R Ashwin is a promising spinner, Umesh Yadav has a bit of pace and the fielding is showing signs of improvement.

Then there's the captain himself. Dhoni is a phenomenal cricketer and not only because of that helicopter shot that keeps depositing balls into the stands. He just keeps on going. Straight after the England tour - which pushed him to the limit - he was leading Chennai Super Kings at the Champions Trophy and now there's this series. Then West Indies arrive for a full tour before a trip to face Australia down under. He's had one break this year, but after his struggles on the early part of the England tour, is back to delivering consistently with the bat.

However, despite the positive signs for the hosts, this series isn't yet beyond England. They have shown, time and again, their ability to bounce back from disappointment. This is a team made of stern stuff. But they need to play smart cricket and think on their feet. The fast bowlers didn't react to Dhoni's onslaught in Hyderabad, while the middle-order collapse against spin wasn't a new phenomenon. The batting order continues to vex minds - for, example, where is Jonathan Trott's best position and should Ian Bell play? - while Samit Patel hasn't really done enough since his return to the team. Flower has made tough calls in the past, but he has also remained calm under pressure. This situation calls for both traits.

Form guide

(completed matches, most recent first)

India WLTLL
England LWTWW

Spotlight

In the absence of Harbhajan Singh, R Ashwin has become India's senior spinner in one-day cricket. Tall, able to extract bounce and with a well-disguised carrom ball, he caused England plenty of problems in the opening game. None of the batsmen appeared to be able to pick his variations and were often left waiting to play off the pitch which leaves precious little time to adjust. Harbhajan may well be back before too long, but Ashwin has more than earned an extended run.

Kevin Pietersen has insisted he knows the secret to turning around his one-day form and England need him to prove it in Delhi. Shuffled back up to No.3 on Friday with a tough target to chase, he never settled while making 19 and appeared more troubled by the pitch than many. When the ball bounced, or kept low, Pietersen's reactions made sure everyone knew the ball must have done something alarming. Throw in his poor fielding display, where he let through three boundaries, and it was a performance to suggest all is not quite right.

Team news

There is little reason for India to tinker with their side after such a comprehensive performance. The initial squad was selected for the first two matches so it will be interesting to see if any changes are made for later in the series.

India (probable): 1 Parthiv Patel, 2 Ajinkya Rahane, 3 Gautam Gambhir, 4 Virat Kohli, 5 Suresh Raina, 6 MS Dhoni (capt & wk), 7 Ravindra Jadeja, 8 R Ashwin, 9 Praveen Kumar, 10 Vinay Kumar, 11 Umesh Yadav

England tend not to rush into changes after one defeat so the odds favour them giving the same side a chance to make amends for the opening display. However, legspinner Scott Borthwick and seamer Chris Woakes showed form in the warm-ups and are options to strengthen the bowling attack possibly at the expense of Samit Patel.

England (probable): 1 Alastair Cook (capt), 2 Craig Kieswetter (wk), 3 Jonathan Trott, 4 Kevin Pietersen, 5 Ravi Bopara, 6 Jonny Bairstow, 7 Samit Patel, 8 Tim Bresnan, 9 Graeme Swann, 10 Steven Finn, 11 Jade Dernbach

Pitch and conditions

The Feroz Shah Kotla stadium regained its international status in time for the World Cup after the ICC suspended the venue following the abandonment of the India-Sri Lanka ODI in December, 2009. The old wicket was a flat track full of runs, and while the new strip is not as lifeless, it is unlikely to give the bowlers much joy.

Stats and trivia

  • England have played two ODIs in Delhi (it would have been three but the 2008 match was cancelled) and they have a 1-1 record. In 2006 they lost by 39 runs but in 2002 clung on for two-run victory which kept them alive in a series they would finish sharing.

  • In his last four ODI innings, MS Dhoni has hit 284 runs for just once out which has lifted his average back over 50

Quotes

"We were outplayed by the Indians on this occasion. They out-fielded us - something that doesn't often happen to us - and we didn't deserve to win the game. But one down in a five-match series, we're going to look to do something about that in Delhi."
Andy Flower keeps a level head about England's position

"We always kept our heads high and that probably made the difference in this first game. We would like to continue with that attitude."
Virat Kohli on the virtues of having the right mindset

Andrew McGlashan is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo

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  • itsthewayuplay on October 17, 2011, 8:28 GMT

    Contd Pakistan has similar pitches to India and have consistently produced great fast bowlers. Sadly for them and for cricket, two oustanding bowlers who had world at their feet, Asif and Amir, are currently making the headlines for all the wrong reasons. SL whose pitches generally tend to be rank turners have also produced bowlers who are quicker than the Indians. So whilst the nature of the Ind pitches may play its part for the dearth of the quicks, I don't think it's the whole story. Not sure if you saw recent comments by Zaheer but hopefully it will be the catalyst for a meaningful debate on addressing the state of Ind pace bowling in and outside the country.

  • Half-Can on October 17, 2011, 8:24 GMT

    Ian Bell should be in ahead of Trott. There is no way Trott is a better ODI batsman plus Bell is better in the field

  • on October 17, 2011, 8:22 GMT

    Neither India nor England is not having the capacity win matches every where like mighty windies done before and exceptional aussies done for some period of time. These two teams mostly rely on their home conditions. Jimmy becomes a different when he is playing out side england. Luckily he missed this series if he play also you won't expect a much different result like his previous tours.

    Lot of hype about Eng latest two three series wins, Everyone including legends like Botham started talking about current England team is the world best. It is not true actually still Eng need to go a long way to go.

    Don't write Aussies off their system having capability to rebuild at any moment. I feel still aussies can dominate the world cricket if they found two three strike bowlers along with 50% Warne level spinner. Cummins is really good found for them

  • itsthewayuplay on October 17, 2011, 8:11 GMT

    @jmcilhinney I agree with you re Yadav but I don't think internationals are the place to improve accuracy - that's what domestic cricket is for. The problem with trying to develop this aspect of a pace bowler's game is that they need to given a lot of time. In the past when results were not being produced the selectors looked at other players and discarded those with potential who went back to domestic games to work on the thing they've been dropped for and then overlooked further down the line. Better they are nearer to the finished article so there are as few adjustments to make as possible when making the transition to international level. Pace bowlers with potential in India have been very rare and they are found they've not gone to greater things eg Pathan, Sreesanth, RP Singh, VRV Singh, Munaf Patel (started off at near 90mph), Balaji etc. Cricket India needs properly manage and develop potential pace bowling talent they find.

  • Naresh28 on October 17, 2011, 8:04 GMT

    Rohit SHarma will be the next Tendulkar. The baton will pass on. Some serious work needs to be done in honing quick,pace bowlers. If the conditions suit India should give Varun a go ahead of Vinay in the next game. Our spinners were great and if the conditions suit India should play Rahul SHarma - a three spin attack. We still lack a good left armer - pace bowler. That is why Zaheer and Nehra are precious. Hope we can untap another good left armer. So far Irfan Pathan has failed to prove the class he once displayed. Yusaf Pathan would be in my ODI team any time India plays at home. Dont know how he was left out.

  • on October 17, 2011, 8:03 GMT

    @Si Baker.. Sehwag and Yuvraj .."past".. idols? Mister, Yuvraj is just 29 and Sehwag is just 32. And since batsmen have a longer shelf life, they are definitely in the 2015 World Cup squad and yeah.. We do consider ourselves fortunate to have Virat, Raina and Rohit as our future players. And yeah.. Its just that Sachin Sir won't be around in World Cup 2015. Rest of the batting lineup remains same.

  • JG2704 on October 17, 2011, 7:52 GMT

    @Nutcutlet - surely declaring your team after winning a toss is even more of an advantage

  • JG2704 on October 17, 2011, 7:47 GMT

    @cool2cool - People only mention India's failings because of the petty jibes aimed at the English fans from the Indian fans on these boards. And you are right that the Bangladesh and Ireland results were very poor , but in thesame tournament they beat SA and drewa thriller. England can be good on their day in this format

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on October 17, 2011, 7:41 GMT

    It's a shame. Where's Ian Bell in the probable eleven. I can't understand this. I'm away for sometime from cricket action. So, can someone tell me if Bell's injured? What's going on here? A perfect player of spinners can't get a chance on the challenging spinning tracks? Beggars belief unless he is injured.

  • kondanand on October 17, 2011, 7:39 GMT

    Why is Vinay kumar still in Indian squad ?..The team management might think that he has very deceptive pace,but from all the previous series,we can conclude that all the teams were able to pick his pace quiet easily.I think,it is time to move ahead with new bowler.We need to provide opportunities for young brigade of fast bowlers like Varun Aaron,Aravind Srinath.And provide more opportunities to Abhimanyu Mithun and others.So that we can have a good bench strenght.

  • itsthewayuplay on October 17, 2011, 8:28 GMT

    Contd Pakistan has similar pitches to India and have consistently produced great fast bowlers. Sadly for them and for cricket, two oustanding bowlers who had world at their feet, Asif and Amir, are currently making the headlines for all the wrong reasons. SL whose pitches generally tend to be rank turners have also produced bowlers who are quicker than the Indians. So whilst the nature of the Ind pitches may play its part for the dearth of the quicks, I don't think it's the whole story. Not sure if you saw recent comments by Zaheer but hopefully it will be the catalyst for a meaningful debate on addressing the state of Ind pace bowling in and outside the country.

  • Half-Can on October 17, 2011, 8:24 GMT

    Ian Bell should be in ahead of Trott. There is no way Trott is a better ODI batsman plus Bell is better in the field

  • on October 17, 2011, 8:22 GMT

    Neither India nor England is not having the capacity win matches every where like mighty windies done before and exceptional aussies done for some period of time. These two teams mostly rely on their home conditions. Jimmy becomes a different when he is playing out side england. Luckily he missed this series if he play also you won't expect a much different result like his previous tours.

    Lot of hype about Eng latest two three series wins, Everyone including legends like Botham started talking about current England team is the world best. It is not true actually still Eng need to go a long way to go.

    Don't write Aussies off their system having capability to rebuild at any moment. I feel still aussies can dominate the world cricket if they found two three strike bowlers along with 50% Warne level spinner. Cummins is really good found for them

  • itsthewayuplay on October 17, 2011, 8:11 GMT

    @jmcilhinney I agree with you re Yadav but I don't think internationals are the place to improve accuracy - that's what domestic cricket is for. The problem with trying to develop this aspect of a pace bowler's game is that they need to given a lot of time. In the past when results were not being produced the selectors looked at other players and discarded those with potential who went back to domestic games to work on the thing they've been dropped for and then overlooked further down the line. Better they are nearer to the finished article so there are as few adjustments to make as possible when making the transition to international level. Pace bowlers with potential in India have been very rare and they are found they've not gone to greater things eg Pathan, Sreesanth, RP Singh, VRV Singh, Munaf Patel (started off at near 90mph), Balaji etc. Cricket India needs properly manage and develop potential pace bowling talent they find.

  • Naresh28 on October 17, 2011, 8:04 GMT

    Rohit SHarma will be the next Tendulkar. The baton will pass on. Some serious work needs to be done in honing quick,pace bowlers. If the conditions suit India should give Varun a go ahead of Vinay in the next game. Our spinners were great and if the conditions suit India should play Rahul SHarma - a three spin attack. We still lack a good left armer - pace bowler. That is why Zaheer and Nehra are precious. Hope we can untap another good left armer. So far Irfan Pathan has failed to prove the class he once displayed. Yusaf Pathan would be in my ODI team any time India plays at home. Dont know how he was left out.

  • on October 17, 2011, 8:03 GMT

    @Si Baker.. Sehwag and Yuvraj .."past".. idols? Mister, Yuvraj is just 29 and Sehwag is just 32. And since batsmen have a longer shelf life, they are definitely in the 2015 World Cup squad and yeah.. We do consider ourselves fortunate to have Virat, Raina and Rohit as our future players. And yeah.. Its just that Sachin Sir won't be around in World Cup 2015. Rest of the batting lineup remains same.

  • JG2704 on October 17, 2011, 7:52 GMT

    @Nutcutlet - surely declaring your team after winning a toss is even more of an advantage

  • JG2704 on October 17, 2011, 7:47 GMT

    @cool2cool - People only mention India's failings because of the petty jibes aimed at the English fans from the Indian fans on these boards. And you are right that the Bangladesh and Ireland results were very poor , but in thesame tournament they beat SA and drewa thriller. England can be good on their day in this format

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on October 17, 2011, 7:41 GMT

    It's a shame. Where's Ian Bell in the probable eleven. I can't understand this. I'm away for sometime from cricket action. So, can someone tell me if Bell's injured? What's going on here? A perfect player of spinners can't get a chance on the challenging spinning tracks? Beggars belief unless he is injured.

  • kondanand on October 17, 2011, 7:39 GMT

    Why is Vinay kumar still in Indian squad ?..The team management might think that he has very deceptive pace,but from all the previous series,we can conclude that all the teams were able to pick his pace quiet easily.I think,it is time to move ahead with new bowler.We need to provide opportunities for young brigade of fast bowlers like Varun Aaron,Aravind Srinath.And provide more opportunities to Abhimanyu Mithun and others.So that we can have a good bench strenght.

  • me54321 on October 17, 2011, 7:36 GMT

    I really was enjoying reading all the whining, and lame excuses before. Why oh why did the ecb have to ruin it all by scheduling a one day series in India? England are a pretty good one day team on their day, in conditions that assist attacking bowling, while India are almost invincible at home. The ecb should think of the English fans, and our desire to gloat a little bit. If we have to play ODIs in India, at least combine them with tests, so we can dismiss the ODIs as meaningless.

  • Pandeyjii on October 17, 2011, 7:25 GMT

    The author rightly said about Raina . . . "Put coloured clothes on Suresh Raina and he's a world-beater" . . . . . . . .

    good idea though, shall we play him in the Tests . . . and allow him colored clothes there as well.

    HA HA HA

  • on October 17, 2011, 7:20 GMT

    Firstly, give Varun aaron a chance, let the english smell some leather(i know not in these pitches) , secondly..Dhoni has to come up the order to take some responsibility. He is wasting his potential in 6 and 7. Third..please can anyone tell Kholi not to swear for everything?Take a leaf out of sachin, dravid, VVS..Earn the respect lad. Last but not the least..The post match show in neosports is ..hrmm well..We want some good shows like in ESPNSTARCricket..Thumbs up Harsha!!

  • kolusu on October 17, 2011, 7:13 GMT

    India Should win for today, if play second batting...i want see varun Aaron Bowling and action

  • on October 17, 2011, 7:12 GMT

    @5Wombats. Excuse me? That explanation of yours about why India wants to win the toss is as lame as you. Infact team batting second on the spinning pitches when the dew falls is much easier. Hence chasing is much easier. And yeah.. India's batting lineup is not poor as your England's. We can chase anything upto 300 (LOL, I wonder if your batsmen can go upto 200!!) And its always beneficiary for the spinners to *bowl* in the *hot* daytime conditions as pitch is dry, ball turns more and grip is good. Stop whining and accept the fact that your batsmen CANNOT BAT IN SPINNING CONDITIONS. THEY CANNOT EVEN PLAY JADEJA.And you call that a team ha ha!

  • CandidIndian on October 17, 2011, 7:12 GMT

    Nampally- Like you rightly mentioned, India need to give chances to new guys especially in bowling department.Unfortunately in Indian cricket ,bowlers does not get enough backing up and chances like Batsman are given.If a bowler gets thrashed in a series he is shown the door straight away ,in present scenario when game favors batsman overall it wont happen that bowler straight away starts with a 5 wicket haul.Hence lke great Ganguly said patience is the key while selecting the bowlers.As far as Zak is concerned i think he should seriously consider taking retirement from limited overs cricket and should concentrate on Tests only, as India can manage somehow without him in ODIs but in tests he is as crucial as Dravid and Sachin are in batting.Cricinfo kindly publish.

  • on October 17, 2011, 7:09 GMT

    Its too early to give credit to Umesh Yadav. Let us not forget he got his wickets because of the irregular bounce on the pitch at hyderbad. He was still expensive and although he can reach above 140kmph, he was not consistent with his pace. Also having played a lot of Twenty-Twentys. the players need to switch gears to pace their inning properly for the 50 over match. Anyone from among the first four batsmen need to think of occupying the crease till the 40 th over.

  • on October 17, 2011, 7:02 GMT

    Guys don't be so harsh on Vinay......to my surprise he was clocking 85+ mph speed, and made kevin pietersen hop to his bouncers, not once but thrice.

  • Indunil76Shantha on October 17, 2011, 6:57 GMT

    Alastair Cook will win the toss and elected to bat first. Craig Kieswetter will make his century in 70 balls and here comes Kevin, what an inning it's gonna be, 68 runs in 42 balls. Captain Cook as usual his own ground and his own pace make a century out of 112 balls. Total is 312 and Indians are all out for 240, Game done.

  • jmcilhinney on October 17, 2011, 6:47 GMT

    I do wish fans on both sides would stop going on and on about injuries and conditions and past records and blah, blah, blah and just focus on the cricket being played. All these claims and counter-claims are pointless. England significantly outplayed India in the recent test matches. It would be nice to see a few more reasonable Indian fans admitting that. The recent ODI series was close and most games could have gone either way. It would be nice to see a few more reasonable fans on both sides admitting that. India significantly outplayed England in the most recent ODI, but it is just one game. If the WC taught us anything it is that England can be quite inconsistent, so don't be surprised to see them play better in at least some of the other matches. Most importantly, we should all remember that it's not how well our favoured cricket team plays that defines us as people but how we ourselves behave, and many on these boards are behaving worse than bratty children. Grow up!

  • jam-11 on October 17, 2011, 6:40 GMT

    i can't understand why all people hate vinaykumar.he is best bowler in last 3 ranaji tournment. if you only want to see in ipl then it will be harsh on good player.he is the best fielder in india fast bowler are concern.please give him at least 10 matches and then if he fails give chance to other.

  • MANSUR_MUSCAT on October 17, 2011, 6:38 GMT

    Every home team has the advantage of home conditions and use it to their maximum benefits. England played very well at their backyard and the same India is repeating and returning (REVENGE), but the major difference between them is India gave a stiff fight unfortunately climate god was not in India's favor, whereas it is not seen in this English unit! May see a turn around or whitewash wait and watch. Outcome of this serious will be the promising sign for Indian cricket and its bench strength...... we are the champions without champion players! SACHIN, VIRU, YUVI, ZAK, BHAJI almost half missing from the world cup squad. It is the time to restructure the T20, ODI, TEST team with equal quality young & experienced mix players with fair chance. Moreover, BCCI should give a look to KOHLI or GHAMBIR for T20-ODI captainship as a stop gap for MSD who is no doubt still the best but on times he may also be rested for optimum utilization.

  • on October 17, 2011, 6:38 GMT

    India should keep piling on the pressure and not become complacent. Also I'm tired of the nonsense (like the vaseline rubbish) that was spewed at India in England. I would like to see our team and commentators become more aggressive towards them, it's about time we stopped being too nice.

  • subodh183 on October 17, 2011, 6:21 GMT

    come on eng fans after defeating our injury porne indian team you became so proud that you acted like you were the greats but always u r a waste in india.get ready to face dhoni and raina force

  • nikemanju on October 17, 2011, 6:06 GMT

    All the best Raina.................

  • Black_Rider on October 17, 2011, 6:03 GMT

    @rahulcricket007 ::MS is the only person i love from this Indian team.Because of his calmness.He is good batsman.But I don't like him when he is wicket keeping.Sometimes he is horrible.For me the best wicket keeper batsman is "Adam Gilchrist".Second is "Kumar Sangakkara".Third is "MS Dhoni"....

  • on October 17, 2011, 5:35 GMT

    Regarding the toss in England. Out of the 5 ODI's Dhoni would have bowled first in ll the matches because the conditions were wet when they were bowling second and it is important that the ball is dry for the spinners to grip it. In India a team would bat second in a day-night match because of the dew factor. The ball would get wet here too in the second innings. Moreover the team batting 2nd will have a target in mind and can pace their innings. So the English fans must stop giving lame excuses about the pitch and toss. The problem was with the team selection. Ian Bell and Borthwick should be in the team instead of Trott/Bairstow and Samit. Samit's batting and bowling are mediocre. Stop criticizing Bopara and KP. If you dont have these two you would lose the series 5-0.

  • Tendulkars_Tennis_Elbow on October 17, 2011, 5:24 GMT

    I hope to God that we stuff England five-nil. The English press sound good when they whinge. Victory and gloating doesn't suit them much.

  • on October 17, 2011, 5:21 GMT

    can't understand why dhoni is not picking varun aaron up...he should be in spite of vinay kumar.

  • on October 17, 2011, 5:19 GMT

    india only only paly good in india next series in aus only wait and watch then every bady will know what is team india they r loser in out of country not look like a champioin team if they will world cup champ so they should win an aus taliya series

    indian player only played good in flate tracks like indian trake

  • on October 17, 2011, 5:10 GMT

    Where did these figures 8-1 and 12-0 come from. "12-0" if you are including victories against club teams, we should be counting the victories against your counties this summer. It would be okay if you say 7-0 (4+3 right?). To the Indian fans ...it is still not over guys...there are 4 more matches. If Bell comes back he will make a huge difference. Hope England plays him. If I were the Indian coach i would give Rahul a chance at Kotla. You can bowl first if you are worried about the dew.

  • RajitD on October 17, 2011, 4:52 GMT

    While its early days, it just goes to show how much of an advantage home conditions bring. Much as the seaming and swinging conditions along with a general chill were alien to India, England is now being dished conditions which are as alien - like slow dustbowl surfaces coupled with intense heat. And the sides are not too different from the ones that played a month back.

    Fans on either side would do well not to brag too much about how good either side is against the other...

  • on October 17, 2011, 4:41 GMT

    @akhil : not nw bro....i'd want this series as a complete whitewash....coz its payback time...!!!!

  • on October 17, 2011, 4:40 GMT

    @JG2704

    At the moment I would say England is slightly ahead of India in test cricket, if India had managed to not get whitewashed in England I would have said both the teams were somewhat equal because England have been abysmall in India too. If England manage to win or even draw the test series in India next year I'd say England are a far better team than India in tests but as of now they're only slightly ahead in my opinion. Neither of them are as good as the West Indies of the 80's or the Australia of the 90's and early 2000's, though England have only just begun their reign and they have a chance to prove me wrong. Good luck to them.

    Overall as a cricket team in all 3 formats India clearly is the better team.

  • binojpeter on October 17, 2011, 4:30 GMT

    Hope Varun Aaron get a chance in place of Vinay Kumar.

  • on October 17, 2011, 4:26 GMT

    @rahulcricket007

    Not really. If I remember correctly, Raina did well and even got a test hundred in his debut test series in India.The thing is he is a very good player in subcontinent conditions regardless of format but he's weak in bouncy/seaming conditions. In those conditions I think Rohit Sharma would be a better choice. Still I think Raina should be persisted with, just hope he gets better at playing in those conditions.

  • on October 17, 2011, 4:11 GMT

    I Like To See Arron Varun In Place Of Vinay Kumar, PLeaseeeeeeeeeeeee.

  • rahulcricket007 on October 17, 2011, 3:53 GMT

    @OHMATTYMATTY . YOU EVEN COUNT STRAUSS , PRIOR WHICH ARE NO LONGER PART OF THE ENGALND'S FUTURE PROGRAM IN ODI CRICKET. ALSO YOU COUNTNG STOKES , ONIONS WHICH ARE NOT SELECTED IN THE TEAM .ANDERSON IS NOT THAT LETHAL IN INDIA . THE MAIN LOSS IS MORGAN & BROAD .ONLY TWO PLAYERS . SO PLEASE STOP KIDDING AROUND . OTHERWISE INDIA IS WITHOUT PLAYERS LIKE SACHIN. SEHWAG , ZAHERR , YUVRAJ, HARBHAJAN , ISHANT, ROHIT , NEHRAA, UTHAPPA , RP SINGH , YUSUF PATHAN , IRFAN PATHAN ALSO THE MAN WHO BOWL THE LAST OVER IN T20 WC JOGINDER SHARMA ( JUST KIDDING LIKE YOU ).

  • rahulcricket007 on October 17, 2011, 3:34 GMT

    CHEERS TO ALL INDIAN BROTHERS DHONI'S AVERAGE IN ODI IS NOW 50.17 . FROM 172 INNINGS IN 192 MATCHES BY MAKING 6372 RUNS ( 7 CENTURIES , 43 HALF CENTURIES )WITH A STRIKE RATE OF 88.24 . I THINK DHONI WILL END HIS CAREER BY RECOGNIZING HIM AS THE BEST ODI WICKETKEEPER BATSMEN IN THE WORLD .

  • on October 17, 2011, 3:32 GMT

    I want england to bounce back in this odi to make the series very interstng, dis has to b a close contest btwen dese 2 teams ..., com on kp,bairstow,keisweter,cook u guys hav to do wel against india in india,

  • rahulcricket007 on October 17, 2011, 3:30 GMT

    "PUT COLOURED CLOTHS ON SURESH RAINA & HE IS A WORLD BEATER ". I REALLY LOVE THAT LINE .

  • on October 17, 2011, 3:14 GMT

    India missing Sachin, Sehwag, Yuvi, Zaheer, Rohit, Munaf , Ishanth. Out of this list, 4 players can walk into any team in the world- not of broad, Morgan stature.

  • on October 17, 2011, 3:10 GMT

    Some guy wrote this comment - "8-1 to England and India only able to win when England are without Morgan, Broad, Anderson, Stokes, Bell, Strauss, Prior, Tremlett, Onions etc.". Agree with Morgan, Broad, Anderson.

    Bell is in squad but not in 11, prior dropped from odi, strauss retired etc. He might even say that Eng is missing Nasser Hussain, Vaughan, Flintoff, Thorpe etc.

  • jmcilhinney on October 17, 2011, 2:52 GMT

    @itsthewayuplay, you say "Compare with Praveen who generally bowls between 75-78 mph asks questions of the batsman. If he can up his speed by 5-10mph without sacrificing accuracy then we might be onto something". Would it not follow that if Yadav can improve his accuracy without sacrificing speed then you'd be onto something? It seems to be the consensus that the type of pitches in India leads to the type of bowlers in India and that the type of bowlers reduces the chance of success outside India. Praveen bowled well in England and he would be a great third or maybe second seamer but I worry for the attack with him as its spearhead.

  • Srini_Indian on October 17, 2011, 2:50 GMT

    Its funny how this side is called as England cricket team when players like Strauss, Trott, Pietersen, Prior, Dernbach, Kieswetter are from SA, Morgan from Ireland. Samit Patel, Monty Panesar are of Indian origin. If ICC stops England from exporting players from other coutries, Bangladesh will beat England regularly let alone other teams. A 11 English men team is always equivalent to an associate level.

  • aakash143 on October 17, 2011, 2:46 GMT

    i wish to see varun aaron in the 2nd one day..he luks more promising..i think he will perform better than vinay kumar and yadav...finger cross for his starting 11...!!!

  • on October 17, 2011, 2:46 GMT

    @Front-Foot-Lunge

    Facts? India were no.1 in tests for almost 2 years whereas England have been no.1 for how long now? The ICC considers the world cup and champions trophy to be THE most important events in international cricket. India has won 2 world cups and a champions trophy, 2 of those were won on foreign soil. How many of those trophies does England have? India got thrashed 12-0 in England? But in 2007, we actually won a series in England whereas England got thrashed in India in 2008 in all formats. Where was I when India lost in England? I have better things to do than whinge and make excuses about losing. England have always been a poor side in limited overs cricket and even in tests they have only recently become no.1. Now THOSE are facts.

  • on October 17, 2011, 2:33 GMT

    I am not convinced that England would be able to beat India in test matches played in India either. I don't think India will whitewash them since it's somewhat hard to do that in Indian conditions but I'm almost certain that England wouldn't be able to win even a single match. It's just my gut feeling though and the only way to find out would be to wait until England come here for the test series next year.

    India should quickly win the next 2 matches and seal this series and then start preparing for the tour of Australia. I think we will need Ishant back in form for Australia.

  • on October 17, 2011, 2:24 GMT

    @5wombats

    While India got whitewashed in England in this tour, England did get whitewashed by India in India the last time they came here as well. Just look at the excuses England supporters are making already, one of them wants to get rid of the toss altogether because it apparently gives the home team too much of an advantage, ridiculous. We are disappointed that India couldn't perform as well as we expected them to in England but it's just one bad tour (a very bad one at that). I would rather have a team that loses every single bilateral series they play but still win world cups than a team that only performs in bilateral series but fails in world cups (*cough* England, SA *cough*).

  • on October 17, 2011, 2:18 GMT

    @5wombats

    I will stop lecturing when England fans stop whinging about India being champions at home but pathetic outside India. Like I said the last time India won a series in England was in 2007 whereas the last time England won a series in India was waaaaaay back. India have also won world cups, a Champions Trophy and a world T20 in FOREIGN conditions whereas all England have managed is a world T20. Yes India did lose to Zimbabwe in Zimbabwe and they did get thrashed by England in England. But England lost to Ireland and barely won against Holland in the world cup and India more than made up for their loss in Zimbabwe by winning the world cup. THE FACT THAT ENGLAND INVENTED CRICKET AND STILL HAVE NOT A WORLD CUP OR CHAMPIONS TROPHY is laughable to be honest, we're better than you at your own game. Clearly you have a long way to go before you can boast. Don't accuse me of lecturing when you do exactly the same, all I see England fans doing here is whinge and make excuses.

  • Roger_Allott on October 17, 2011, 1:49 GMT

    Get rid of the toss completely. The home team has the advantage of preparing the pitch in what ever way they like (within ICC guidelines), so give the away team the advantage of deciding whether to use it first or second. This should apply for tests, ODIs and T20 internationals, as well as all first class or List A games.

  • on October 17, 2011, 1:10 GMT

    @5wombats - Supporting your team is one thing and coming up with harebrained comments like yours is another. There are no questions about England's comprehensive victory over India in the tests--and to an extent in the ODIs as well. You are finding mere examples of India's defeats in the recent past; not notable victories. If you are so into India's defeat in Zimbabwe, then at least look at the player in the team. It was practically a second string team, and rightly so. Let's talk about abroad victories since the 2007 WC. Future Cup vs RSA, CB Series, Compaq Cup, NZ series, Asia Cup, two different series in West Indies. By no means do I think that India are better than England in test. But in ODIs, I would say India are a better unit--or have performed better lately. That does not mean England can't beat India in India, but just because England won a home series, it doesn't mean they are better. I have enough decorum to refrain from launching a diatribe again the opposition fans.

  • on October 17, 2011, 1:02 GMT

    To all you Indian fans STILL complaining about the loss of your 'star' players: this isn't an Indian A team: it's the Indian First XI from 2012 onwards. Fletcher & Dhoni are aware of the fact that Tendulkar, Sehwag, Harbhajan, Zaheer & Yuvraj aren't going to be around for the 2015 World Cup, so they're planning accordingly. Instead of bemoaning the inevitable loss of the previous generation, you should be delighting in the fact that you seem to have some highly skilful replacements in the shape of Kohli, Rohit Sharma, Rahane, Ashwin, Ojha & (possibly: time will tell) Yadav & Aaron. Time for you guys to stop yearning for the return of your fallen idols: if any of them come back at all, it won't be for long...

  • szaranger on October 17, 2011, 0:36 GMT

    India is World champion at home and almost close to nothing outside India, as they have lost their pride into pieces in England, by winning last game the fans have realised that they have won the World Cup, just because they played it in India. But mind you, England close to beating them in the world cup so, there is a good chance for England to prove who's the boss again.

  • daniyal1 on October 17, 2011, 0:05 GMT

    england will bounce back big time at feroz shah kotla and i think KP and england's feilding makes big difference btw the two elevens ................... finn has to bowl full at kotla because he has enough pace to get through indian weak and unconfident oppners........

  • kriskini on October 16, 2011, 23:10 GMT

    In a bilateral series there should not be any toss. Out of 5 odis the visitors should be given chance in 3 odi to bat first or second. The home team should get that chance only 2 times since they have the advantage of home picth and crowd support. They should do this in alternate odis.

  • on October 16, 2011, 23:08 GMT

    @5wombats: Indian fans very well know to support Indian cricket team. After all India has won 3 world cups(1983, 2007 & 2011) to none by England. So in any era India has done better than England in ODI/T20 since it started. We all know its always the best players will get to play world-cups, for any country or in any game for that matter. In England tour India were playing without Sachin, Sehwag, Yuvraj(Man of the series WC), Zaheer, Ishaan, Munaf & Harbhajan. Except Ishaan, other 6 players were in starting 11 for all the WC matches. Any team playing without their 5 best players are bound to lose even in their backyard. But India lost closely contested ODI series in England and i am proud that even without our best 5 players we were able to beat England with such a high margin is phenominal. Just think Sachin - Mr.Consistant, Sehwag - The most dangerous batsman, Zak - Best Indan bowler & Yuvi - WC man of the series are not playing. Eng is not mising genuine macth winners like India.

  • Truemans_Ghost on October 16, 2011, 22:53 GMT

    Marauding force? For heaven's sake gnasher you can do better than that.

  • EverybodylovesSachin on October 16, 2011, 22:16 GMT

    England will loose this one and next one also..LAst time England won ODI series in India was in 1984 YES 27 years ago..India is still playing with their B team and England is playing with their A- team..

  • Unmesh_cric on October 16, 2011, 21:57 GMT

    A correction needed in the above article...Dhoni did not lead Chennai Super Kings in Champions TROPHY...it was Champions LEAGUE. England, be ready for another thrashing by India in Delhi. This series is going to be 5-0..like it happened last time England came to India.

  • Nutcutlet on October 16, 2011, 21:28 GMT

    There is the perception that the toss often plays an important part in the outcome of an ODI match in which the overhead and general weather conditions, dew-factor later on, etc. are known at the outset, thanks to modern weather forecasting. After all, there is only one day that needs to be considered, unlike a test match when matters are less certainly predicted for the duration of the match. From comments at the time, the toss was perceived to play a part in in the recent ODI series in England by many Indian fans, and for the first match of the current series at Hyderabad, it was generally accepted that batting first held a major, perhaps decisive, advantage to the toss-winners before the match began. In the light ot the above, and in the current climate of bringing in new regulations, I suggest that teams should be declared only after the toss has taken place. Perhaps the ICC (alright, the BCCI) should give this matter some consideration. Cricket fans would see the sense of it!

  • cool2cool on October 16, 2011, 21:06 GMT

    @OhhhhMattyMatty: India is also without Sachin, Sehwag, Yuvraj(Man of the series for last 2 India-England series in India), Zaheer, Ishaan, Munaf, Harbhajan, Rohit Sharma. So actually both the teams are quite on par with the strengths. And if you are coutnting previous series, why not go back to 2008 or even 2006? :)

    During the test/odi series in England, India was hit by quite a few injuries, so can we say, England beat the second string Indian team, and should not get credits for that? No , right? :) England was far betterteam than India during tests, and also was better in ODI series.

    India shown much improved performance during the first ODI and hence won the match easily in the end.England can also come back and give much better performance in the rest of the series.

  • JG2704 on October 16, 2011, 21:05 GMT

    @krici_lover - So all pitches in England are the same and you'd bat 2nd every time regardless of weather conditions etc. Simple as that yeah?

  • on October 16, 2011, 21:02 GMT

    @bigdhonifan-England last won a Odi series in sub continent in 2007 against SL 3-2 where Dambulla pitch helped them really and then they won 3-0 in B'desh..thats all..they also won in Odis I guess against Pak in 2001 but again overall have been failing in Sub-continent.

  • JG2704 on October 16, 2011, 21:00 GMT

    @ bigdhonifan - Ok if we're going to start that again - what was the score in both the test and ODI series between England and India and who is number one test side in the worls and who is 2 places below? Don't you Indians get tired of all this pettiness. When India fail in England it's because of English conditions and not because of how poorly they adapt but when England fail in India it is purely because England area bad side. Surely if England are bad because they can't play (ODI's) in the sub continent then India are bad because they can't currently (before you go into a history lesson which suits) play in England - or does it only work one way?

  • JG2704 on October 16, 2011, 20:52 GMT

    @davidpk - I agree that Trott gets bad comms. He isn't the fastest but his strikerate is better than both Bell and Bopara and he averages about 15 and 20 respectively more than both. Maybe it's because he looks lazier at the crease. Personally I wouldn't have Bell in and I'm not sureabout Bopara either. As I have commented previously I feel we have too many players with strike rates under 80. Trott is one but he does often hold an innings together I'd like to see another flair player like Buttler (although he wasn't firing in the CL) or Roy or Hales etc. Re bowling , the only 2 I'd nail on are Swann and Dernbach - even consistand performers of a year or so ago like Broad (injured) and Bresnan have become less dependable

  • cool2cool on October 16, 2011, 20:48 GMT

    @ 5wombats: You said "even Zimbabwe beat them(India), twice". This was more than a year ago when a young Indian team lead by Raina toured there.Even Sri Lanka sent a young team(which eventuaaly won the final), and they also lost one match to Zimbabwe. I will give you some examples more recent than Zimbabwe beating India, Australia beat England 6-1 in ODI series and during 2011 WC England was beaten by Bangladesh and Ireland (which is not even a full member team).

    We have accepted that England comprehensively beat/thrashed India in tests and also won the ODI series 3-0 easily in the end.

    But everything is history now and let's enjoy the current series. :) Hopefully England can put better performances in the series and we see a tough fight betwwen bat and ball.

  • cric_freakNo2 on October 16, 2011, 20:12 GMT

    better to continue same team for future for india....... may be its better if seniors give the retirement by themselves.......

  • ravi_shankar88 on October 16, 2011, 20:02 GMT

    @ohhmattymatty. wow.......what a joke..then we can say that england were able to beat us ,when india are without zaheer,sachin,sehwag,gambhir,yuvraj,ishant,rohit,ohja,uthappa,yusuf,irfan etc.in the odi's i agree england is the best test team right now.but they have to prove a lot in odi's especially in the subcontinent.In this current tour your side is much stronger, experienced and have lot of senior players when compared to our team which is almost like india 'A' team....

  • krici_lover on October 16, 2011, 20:00 GMT

    @OhhhhMattyMatty: 8-1 to England so you are including past series as well. If so should be include all past series of last decade and then determine the count. Not sure if you there can be only 11 players in a match. As far as I know out of Morgan, Broad, Anderson, Stokes, Bell, Strauss, Prior, Tremlett, Onions only Morgan and Broad are out due to injuries, rest England did not play. Anderson, Stokes, Bell, Strauss, Prior, Tremlett, Onions are not in the team because your selectors did not find them good enough for their unimpressive record in ODIs. But yes same hold true for India in summer and even now - Yuvraj, Zaheer, Sachin, Sehwag, Munaf are out due to injuries. And no sane people need to be told what difference all except Munaf can make to a match...So correct statement is England can only defeat india when India is not at its full strength.

  • bigdhonifan on October 16, 2011, 19:56 GMT

    WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME ENGLAND WON A SERIES IN SUB CONTINENT????

  • Tigg on October 16, 2011, 19:43 GMT

    Seeing as Bell is by far the best player of spin in the squad why is he not playing?

    I'd go: Cook*, Kies+, Trott, Bell, KP, Bairstow, Bresnan, Borthwick, Swann, Woakes, Finn.

    As a core XI with Finn out for Patel on a rank turner, and Bopara in for Kieswetter/ KP if either struggles.

  • on October 16, 2011, 19:21 GMT

    england dont't come to india or get ready to be trashed like the last time. You are a good test team but in ODIs god save england. Waiting for delhi's match even though everyone knows the result.

  • bumsonseats on October 16, 2011, 19:17 GMT

    andrew whats the problem with trott, every time we lose, his name is brought up. the guys as good as most and better then many. i have no problem with him what so eve.dpk

  • itsthewayuplay on October 16, 2011, 19:14 GMT

    @devalyagnik2003 Rahane could decide the series outcome?! Do you mean in favour in Eng? What exactly do you base this on? He made a very exciting start in his first 3 games, one of which was a T20. Since then he got scores of 0, 2 lucky scores of 38 and 26 then on Friday got 16 at a SR of 37 and to cap it he was out to spin. He may do well in this series but not unless he shows some intelligence and patience when batting. Bairstow hit a matchwinning 41 on debut under pressure at a SR of 195 and a century in the warm up at a similar SR. Of the 2, surely there is a stronger argument for Bairstow having a greater impact on the rest of the series. I've said this a few times before but this series for Ind should be about doing the basics well and not the results. When Rahane understands this and does it he will put his team in stronger position. Scoring against Eng will be slow to start with but keeping his wicket will only frustrate the opposition and then scoring opportunities will come.

  • JG2704 on October 16, 2011, 19:10 GMT

    @Simonw - Re Bell vs KP - I'd have KP in my one day side every day of the week above both Bell and Bopara . I posted some stats in another post which will hopefully get published. Am I the only person on these boards who notices Bell's failures in this format?

  • ravi_shankar88 on October 16, 2011, 19:08 GMT

    India should not under estimate this english side,because this particular english side have some experienced senior players like k.p,swanny,trott,bell....etc..so they may come back strong in the coming matches. unlike the indian team which toured england recently. except for msdhoni all the others are youngsters. so they were not able to cope up with the pressure and play well. ok,coming to the tommorow's match,toss is the most important factor,india must win the toss and bat first and should retain the same playing eleven of the last match.our batsmen should see off grame swann and attack all the other bowlers,because if swann start picking up wickets he will run through our batting lineup.even if my fellow indian fans agree with me or not,for me grame swann is the best spinner in the world right now and also with excellent batting skills who can play well in all three forms of cricket.i hope our batsmen keep him quiet through out the series. cheers......

  • Sach_z_God on October 16, 2011, 19:03 GMT

    Rahane doesn't deserve a place in our ODI team... In england too, his performence was not that great. Yes, he is talented, but his batting doesnt suit the shorter formats... it would be much better if Dhoni asks gambhir to open with parthiv and include manoj tiwary instead of rahane. And, Virat must come 1st down, followes by tiwary, raina and dhoni... BEST OF LUCK, MY MEN IN BLUE... Jst crash them 2moro...

  • JG2704 on October 16, 2011, 18:43 GMT

    @MIVA - Have you checked Bell's record against KP's in ODI's? I did the other day as I wondered if it was just me seeing KP through a different light to others and for some reason I was showing favouritism because I like the way he plays the game. I checked out KP's ODI record and compared it to Bell,Bopara and Morgan's. KP - is averaging 5 more runs per inns than Bell , 9 more runs per inns than Bopara and a run per inns more than Morgan. His strike rate is 87 compared to 73.37 from Bell , 75.45 from Bopara and 83.24 from Morgan and has scored 7 centuries and 22 50s comp to Bell's 1 century and 19 50s and scored 1000 more runs in just 6 more innings. I love Bell as a test player but for some reason he doesn't seem to carry it into the ODI game.

  • krici_lover on October 16, 2011, 18:42 GMT

    @simon_w, who says toss did not play any role in England. If it was so why did Cook not opt to Bat first any of ODI. It is an open secret, English conditions provide early advantages to swing bowlers and as day progresses, pitches become easier to bat and to add to miseries to team bowling second, if it rains, bowl gets heavy and wet, comes nicely on the bat and becomes difficult for spinners to grip. Actually fact is be it India or England, fans always consider conditions, toss etc only when they loss. When team wins, it all appears fair.If someone cares of data, India has not had very good record overseas if one considers all series in last decade or two. But England has been miserable. India has atleast one a few in England but England is yet to win an ODI series since 1984.

  • OhhhhMattyMatty on October 16, 2011, 18:36 GMT

    Also, bring in Ian Bell to open, bring in Woakes, drop Kieswetter and Bresnan and give the gloves to Bairstow.

  • on October 16, 2011, 18:32 GMT

    for remaining odi's select robin uthappa instead of pathiv he is in great form and also capable of giving starts like sehwag..ideal replacement for sehwag..m not sure parthiv is capable of scoring even 50 without getting dropped chance from fielders like (he made 95 with 2 lives given by fieldders) team 1gambhir 2.uthappa 3 rahane 4 kohli 5 dhoni 6 raina 7 jadeja 8 ashwin 9pk 10varun aaron 11 yadav..

  • OhhhhMattyMatty on October 16, 2011, 18:25 GMT

    8-1 to England and India only able to win when England are without Morgan, Broad, Anderson, Stokes, Bell, Strauss, Prior, Tremlett, Onions etc.

  • on October 16, 2011, 18:22 GMT

    Many cribbing about India winning the world cup at home.. But hey, can anyone tell me how many teams have done that before?? And India did fight well in the ODI's at England.. Just that they didn't have the rub of the green their way.. A little bit of that, and India would have a different scoreline to show in England..

  • Valavan on October 16, 2011, 18:18 GMT

    @Antriksh Saal, whay you took 2008 because if you take 2007 , You must say England ODI series in SL and CB series in Australia. This story wont end. But ye Truth is England never closed out anything since 2001 in Asia, so you included series wins in SL and Pak in 2001. Similar question, when did India won a test series in SL after 1993. You can make borders to underrun ENGLAND, same way we can do as well. We know England is not a good ODI outfit, they perform in patches, India has advantage now playing in their backyard same as England earlier in summer. Make sure if India wins in subcontinent will they able to prove it by end of the year when they travel to aussies. NONE IS DOMINATING THE WORLD CRICKET NOW. NEITHER INDIA NOR ENGLAND. cricinfo please publish.

  • Nampally on October 16, 2011, 18:03 GMT

    @candidIndian: Well stated Sir. India needs new blood instead of depending on unfit guys.Zaheer, Munaf & Ishant are all injured. Replace them with Yadav, Aaron , Nechim,Tyagi, etc. Let the injured guys show they are fit & deserve a place on their form before they are selected again. The same applies to spinners. Bhaiji has hogged the Off spinner spot for too long yet his production of 2 wkts. at 143 runs/wkt in tests was an attrocious record. Mishra is a good leg spinner yet he bowls No balls without trying to correct them. Let Bhaiji & Mishra eliminate their lethargy, show top in form before they are picked again. Mean while play Ashwin (off spin) and Rahul Sharma (leg spin) in the XI.The same applies to Yuvraj & Pathan. These guys have been assuming their places are safe without production.India has at least 4 openers vying for a spot + plenty for middle order spots.Let them compete & produce when selected. This is the only way to improve the team.Produce or perish -No Free Ride!.

  • 5wombats on October 16, 2011, 17:58 GMT

    @Harmony111 - you've got a bad memory - I said no such thing about future England or India players beating anybody.

  • Harmony111 on October 16, 2011, 17:42 GMT

    @CricketingStargazer

    WI, India, Aus, Pak, SL - All have been World Champions. The ones that have not have always been weak teams. Even among those, NZ have done much better in WC's and suffer mainly because of their low population size. In this light, Eng is the only team that has not won the WC, even thought they have had the home advantage in 4 of the WCs. India have won the WC in India and India have won the WC in Eng. Shows you the gap between India and Eng and between the other ex-World Champions and Eng.

  • Red_Bull on October 16, 2011, 17:39 GMT

    Its not the likes of Pietersen, Bell and Trott we need to wory about. It is the continued selection of no-hopers ie Bopara and Patel that is the problem. We need 2 spinners in India, not 1 spinner and 1 mediocre player who gets the odd player out caught at cow corner. And as for Bopara, he has 10 times as many failures as successes, has the lowest batting average for any English specialist batsmen to have played 60+ ODI's, and has a very mediocre strike rate, lower than even the much maligned for slow scoring Jonathan Trott. (Bopara 75 Trott 78). As for his occasional pies, Trott himself and Pietersen are far more capable of bowling the odd 2-3 overs than Bopara.

  • Harmony111 on October 16, 2011, 17:38 GMT

    @phoenixsteve

    on the contrary, chasing is the preferred option in India since the team has a clear target to aim at and the dew gives a double advantage to the chasing side by making the pitch easier and by making the ball wet.

  • Harmony111 on October 16, 2011, 17:36 GMT

    5Wombats:

    Also check the comments section of the match report of the 1st test match, I congratulated the Eng team for playing well. Most Indian fans would admit the wide gap in the tests between Eng and India (in Eng) but we all know that the ODI series (and the T20) was very close and not quite the walloping of the tests. Many Eng fans were boasting that they will see how India play in India since they felt Indian fans were giving too many excuses. Now, I see the same kind of excuses by the Eng fans.

    I remember you saying once that the future Indian team was thrashed by the future Eng team in the ODI. a) It was not a thrashing and b) A young team does not mean a future team. You may call that young batsman as your future but I don't think any of us would call RP and Vinay Kumar as our future players.

    A little less of excuses and more of mutual appreciation would mean you are a true fan, not otherwise. For eg. I do admire the Eng test team and esp their lower half.

  • Front-Foot-Lunge on October 16, 2011, 17:33 GMT

    @ Sundar Subramaniam, Where have you been for the last year? Why weren't you here defending India when they lost 12-0 or whatever it was. Who is number 1? Maybe you should check the rankings! I'll deal in facts thanks, it's so much better than fantasy. Maybe to you Canada are world number 1...Or West Indies.... Personally I love the facts because the truth wins through every time. You should try it.

  • on October 16, 2011, 17:31 GMT

    @5wombats it is a good excuse,check India's chasing record in India before talking crap about India. you avoided my question it seems : what have england won in new zealand ,pak ,aus since 2008 in odis? you forgot last series where cook fielded first in all 5 games. double standards huh? stop DISCREDITING India's overseas achievements with false statements when England have been poor in Asia post 2001(except odi win in Sri, lol)

  • simon_w on October 16, 2011, 17:28 GMT

    As @5wombats says, the toss is clearly crucial. Cook won a fairly long series of tosses in a row, but I bet he'd swap any of his toss-wins in England (where it wouldn't have mattered) for a few here (where it could be the difference between winning and losing). I'd try to find a way to get Bell into the side, too, I have to say. From my armchair (where it's easy to make tough decisions), I think I'd put him in at three and make KP carry the drinks. @Nampally -- I wouldn't worry about Parthiv Patel's fielding: he was mostly in the dressing room during England's innings. A certain Manoj Tiwary had a great game in the field, though...

  • icy.icee on October 16, 2011, 17:20 GMT

    My team for match2: Gautam Gambhir, Ajinkya Rahane, Virat Kohli, Manoj Tiwary, Suresh Raina, Mahendra Singh Dhoni (captain),Ravindra Jadeja, R Ashwin, Rahul Sharma,, Praveen Kumar,Varun Aaron

  • CandidIndian on October 16, 2011, 17:17 GMT

    Well India has lost two ODI series at home in last 4 years and they won World cup ,beaten England(5-0),SA(2-1),SL, NZ(5-0) and also that 1-0 series win over Aus.That obliviously mean that they are very hard to beat at home.The main challenge before Dhoni and Fletcher is to get more victories like the one we got in tri nations tournament in Aus .The reason India won there was much improved bowling overall,but things deteriorated instead of getting better since then.In closely contested series at SA last year, India lost 3-2 in-spite of taking lead as apart from Zak none of the bowlers could have an impact on Saffas,India could not defend big scores in England due to poor bowling.So obviously India has to win this important series against Eng ,but after that before tour down under,they should give chances to new guys especially bowlers,as we desperately need bowlers to ball well outside India.Cricinfo kindly publish.

  • phoenixsteve on October 16, 2011, 17:11 GMT

    In the interets of the game it was good to see India eventually beat England! England played poorly but the toss is far too important and something that each captain will be keen to win. It looks to me that if you win the toss, bat first and use the conditions wisely then you're 70% sure of winning the game? Delhi will be an important test for the England cubs and let's hope for a good game. COME ON ENGLAND!!!

  • on October 16, 2011, 17:03 GMT

    At last India have managed to secure a convincing win on their home pitch , this however , what ever DAILY MIRROR might says is no mean a small victory .India should ,some how maintain presure , exploit wonunded AGO of english and resolve to hoist a clean sweep .It would then, be interesting to read how british press react out of anguish and uneasiness

  • on October 16, 2011, 16:57 GMT

    no chance for england to come back..no fight put up..

  • 5wombats on October 16, 2011, 16:57 GMT

    @Sundar Subramaniam; I'd stop lecturing people about being two-faced if I were you. You noteably were NOT here to defend your team when England was crushing it a few weeks ago. Either support your team here on cricinfo through thick and thin, or do not. What annoys me is the attitude of two-faced india fans - when they lose they are NOT here. But when they win they are on here like a load of circling crows. They are "fair weather fans". Then they have the nerve to complain about England fans making excuses even though the reality was that when the indians were getting thrashed they were making shocking excuses, boasting, trolling, every manner of disrespect. And they are still doing it. They seem not to be embaressed by the fact that they were comprehensively outplayed in England in all formats, and find it practically impossible to win away from home. Hell, even Zimbabwe beat them, twice! Clearly their team has a long way to go before their fans can boast as much as they are doing now

  • on October 16, 2011, 16:49 GMT

    Surpriseed by some people saying KP out of form.He has done very well in tests earlier this year.

  • itsthewayuplay on October 16, 2011, 16:49 GMT

    @Abhishek Tyagi not quite sure why bowling at 140+ is encouraging sign if you're going for more than the RRR and not taking wickets at the start. of the innings. All this does is put pressure on the other bowlers. I'm no fan of V Kumar but in the last match went for only 4.80 (unsurprisingly wicketless) which this puts pressure in the right place which is on the batsmen and helps the other bowlers. Fast bowlers is not what Ind needs but wicket taking or economical bowlers or ideally economical wicket taking bowlers. Compare with Praveen who generally bowls between 75-78 mph asks questions of the batsman. If he can up his speed by 5-10mph without sacrificing accuracy then we might be onto something. This is a good opportunity for the spinners to show if they have what it takes to succeed at the top in Ind although cannot understand why Ohja who has been not selected at all whilst Harbajan has been dropped for only 2 games with rumours of a possible return for the last 3 ODIs.

  • CricketingStargazer on October 16, 2011, 16:41 GMT

    "Always been a below average team"? Slight descent into hyperbole there given that England were World Cup semi-finalists in 1975, finalists in 1979, sem-finalists in 1983 and finalists again in 1987! If you had said that England have no signs of great pretensions to form afte thei third world cup final in 1992, pehaps... But even then England were actually ranked (admittedly very briefly) #2 in ODIs a couple of years ago. "Below average" means 6th or lower of the 10 full members and England have rarely been that low. Not great - sadly true and for too long. That doesn't mean that with hungy young players in the squad you can depend on winning this series without having to work for ir. The series will finish 3-2.

  • on October 16, 2011, 16:16 GMT

    Both Jonathan Trott & Ajinkya Rahane would make EXCELLENT TEST cricketers! There are many other youngsters on both sides, waiting for a chance to shine in ODIs. Don't let these two future stars for Test Cricket block the way for future stars in ODIs@

  • on October 16, 2011, 15:51 GMT

    @Front-Foot-Lunge

    Rubbish! The last time India won a test series in England was 4 years ago whereas the last time England won a test series in India was over 2 decades ago. How can you claim England are by far a better team when they haven not yet played in India (which they will next year)? Yes England clearly outplayed India in England but India were ranked no.1 for almost 2 years and England still have to prove themselves in the subcontinent. In limited overs cricket, England has always been a below average team.

  • devalyagnik2003 on October 16, 2011, 15:10 GMT

    I don't see a reason for England to change their side... They lost the first match but their top 5 batsman are actually in form (except KP) and can really play spin balls well.. I wish India win 5-0 but even after first match result I don't see it happen, still on paper England is a better and well balanced side, but who knows, Parthiv-Rahane-Yadav-Vinay Kumar will decide the series outcome, If they can fight well and don't become a weakness India can pull 4-1 or even 5-0, but if opening batsman got out bit too much early it will be difficult to go beyond 250 everytime and with this kind of bowling attack its hard to repeat the first match result.. In WC England tied the match chasing total above 300 with Zaheer, Harbhajan and Munaf playing.. Anyways like every Indian fan I am still looking for a comprehensive series win :)

  • on October 16, 2011, 14:34 GMT

    i think on delhi pitch better play an extra spinner of rahul sharma or if go with same combination give aaron a chance like abhishek said let gauti open play tiwari in place of parthiv improves feilding and for eng pla bell in place of troot tough call but they (eng ) really want to show they are best they have to take tough calls bcoz troot doesnt look like a test no 3 in front of spinners maybe in test situatioun will change bell may help even more agreesive

  • on October 16, 2011, 14:19 GMT

    Stilll wonder why Dhoni sticks with VinayKumar?He hass never been bowled like a International Pro and always been inconsistent trying too much things. I will go for Rahul sharma in place of him and also Varun Aaron in place of Umesh Yadav. Any way Hope Inida wins...and my man is Gauti to smash those English bowlers...

  • Front-Foot-Lunge on October 16, 2011, 14:13 GMT

    After the recent year, India know England are by far the better test team. England's one day team are still learning a trade that, quite frankly, they haven't been interested in one jot since the format began. Now England are top of he world, they should feel inclined to improve their short game. Does sending a team of youngsters to a peculiar one-off one day series in India show that commitment? Not really I'm afraid to say. One day cricket is clearly not the test that Test Match cricket is, and England's attitude to it since the format began reflects that. It's a good chance of course for these very youngsters to make an impact, despite their inexperience. If India don't win this quiet little ODI series they'll be even more questions to answer. I mean, India are won the one-day world cup last year, didn't they? Testing times for the youth of English cricket, and a good test for a new and inexperienced captain.

  • Nampally on October 16, 2011, 14:12 GMT

    India need to go with 3 spinners in Ashwin, Rahul & Jadeja.P.Kumar & Yadav can take care of seam bowling.Similarly,the liability of Parthiv patel in fielding must be factored in his selection.Rahul Sharma deserves a chance when he is included in the squad as a specialist spinner.Rahul is also a useful & aggressive batsman. Jadeja is not always reliable as a bowler and can be very expensive on his off days.On Indian wickets & against England's weakness against spin, 3 spinner is better than 3 seamers.How many England batsmen are accustomed to Rahul type of fast bouncy leg spinners?If Dew is a problem, stay with the seamers for the first 10 overs before going to spin.Dew will dry up if it is a sunny day.Apart from this the opening partnership needs to be improved to at least 50. This will give a fair chance for the middle order batsmen to consolidate faster.India need to keep up their tight fielding as in the first ODI and add on to their first ODI victory with confidence.

  • 5wombats on October 16, 2011, 14:05 GMT

    Mmm... not too much to worry about. The tactic employed by Dhoni is obviously a good one; win the toss - put the other side into the heat and flies and let it frazzle them while the india batsmen can have a nice quiet time in the aircon. By the time England bat the heat and flies will have done their work and even indias bowling, which was shown to be hopeless in England, even indias bowlers will look like world beaters. No wonder india can only win at home; The hot/humid weather is their friend! Cook will learn from this - win the toss, put india in the field - make india chase around in the 40 degrees for a while and we'll see how good they are afterwards. I'd like to see that. Meanwhile - England should seriously consider Borthwick to replace either Bresnan or Finn. I don't want to see another pathetic display from England, it makes india look better than they actually are; india are ranked 4th on 113 pts and England 5th on 111, there shouldn't be that much in it.

  • landl47 on October 16, 2011, 13:45 GMT

    Not very many good things for England to take from the first game. Swann bowled well and Cook batted steadily, but England didn't show the strength under pressure that they have in the past, either in the field or with the bat. Pacing an innings is so important, as India showed. I'd have Bell in the side for that reason. Everything needs to be tightened up, and Flower will be drumming that into the side. India don't need to alter much, but they have to be thining about Rahane. After a bright start, he's been worked out- pitch the ball up to him outside off stump and he has no shots.

  • on October 16, 2011, 13:34 GMT

    Vinay Kumar did nothing much in the match, and went for plenty. I would be tempted to play the pacy Varun Aaron or a third spinner - Rahul Sharma, in his place.

  • on October 16, 2011, 13:34 GMT

    It will be great if Gambhir opens on his home turf. He looked in good touch in first ODI. I expect a big score from him tomorrow. Umesh Yadav bowled with 140+ constantly that is an encouraging sign too in the pace department. With him and untested Aaron we have two bowlers who bowl quick. Given a chance, it will be interesting to see how they complement each other with Praveen kumar taking the new ball.

  • on October 16, 2011, 13:29 GMT

    Go India go!! we expect a 5-0 scoreline this time too! India in India are very hot to handle!!

  • JesseV on October 16, 2011, 13:18 GMT

    Ian Bell should be in the England side. Pietersen isnt in the right sort of form. Move him down to 5 if he has to be in the side where he started off.

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  • JesseV on October 16, 2011, 13:18 GMT

    Ian Bell should be in the England side. Pietersen isnt in the right sort of form. Move him down to 5 if he has to be in the side where he started off.

  • on October 16, 2011, 13:29 GMT

    Go India go!! we expect a 5-0 scoreline this time too! India in India are very hot to handle!!

  • on October 16, 2011, 13:34 GMT

    It will be great if Gambhir opens on his home turf. He looked in good touch in first ODI. I expect a big score from him tomorrow. Umesh Yadav bowled with 140+ constantly that is an encouraging sign too in the pace department. With him and untested Aaron we have two bowlers who bowl quick. Given a chance, it will be interesting to see how they complement each other with Praveen kumar taking the new ball.

  • on October 16, 2011, 13:34 GMT

    Vinay Kumar did nothing much in the match, and went for plenty. I would be tempted to play the pacy Varun Aaron or a third spinner - Rahul Sharma, in his place.

  • landl47 on October 16, 2011, 13:45 GMT

    Not very many good things for England to take from the first game. Swann bowled well and Cook batted steadily, but England didn't show the strength under pressure that they have in the past, either in the field or with the bat. Pacing an innings is so important, as India showed. I'd have Bell in the side for that reason. Everything needs to be tightened up, and Flower will be drumming that into the side. India don't need to alter much, but they have to be thining about Rahane. After a bright start, he's been worked out- pitch the ball up to him outside off stump and he has no shots.

  • 5wombats on October 16, 2011, 14:05 GMT

    Mmm... not too much to worry about. The tactic employed by Dhoni is obviously a good one; win the toss - put the other side into the heat and flies and let it frazzle them while the india batsmen can have a nice quiet time in the aircon. By the time England bat the heat and flies will have done their work and even indias bowling, which was shown to be hopeless in England, even indias bowlers will look like world beaters. No wonder india can only win at home; The hot/humid weather is their friend! Cook will learn from this - win the toss, put india in the field - make india chase around in the 40 degrees for a while and we'll see how good they are afterwards. I'd like to see that. Meanwhile - England should seriously consider Borthwick to replace either Bresnan or Finn. I don't want to see another pathetic display from England, it makes india look better than they actually are; india are ranked 4th on 113 pts and England 5th on 111, there shouldn't be that much in it.

  • Nampally on October 16, 2011, 14:12 GMT

    India need to go with 3 spinners in Ashwin, Rahul & Jadeja.P.Kumar & Yadav can take care of seam bowling.Similarly,the liability of Parthiv patel in fielding must be factored in his selection.Rahul Sharma deserves a chance when he is included in the squad as a specialist spinner.Rahul is also a useful & aggressive batsman. Jadeja is not always reliable as a bowler and can be very expensive on his off days.On Indian wickets & against England's weakness against spin, 3 spinner is better than 3 seamers.How many England batsmen are accustomed to Rahul type of fast bouncy leg spinners?If Dew is a problem, stay with the seamers for the first 10 overs before going to spin.Dew will dry up if it is a sunny day.Apart from this the opening partnership needs to be improved to at least 50. This will give a fair chance for the middle order batsmen to consolidate faster.India need to keep up their tight fielding as in the first ODI and add on to their first ODI victory with confidence.

  • Front-Foot-Lunge on October 16, 2011, 14:13 GMT

    After the recent year, India know England are by far the better test team. England's one day team are still learning a trade that, quite frankly, they haven't been interested in one jot since the format began. Now England are top of he world, they should feel inclined to improve their short game. Does sending a team of youngsters to a peculiar one-off one day series in India show that commitment? Not really I'm afraid to say. One day cricket is clearly not the test that Test Match cricket is, and England's attitude to it since the format began reflects that. It's a good chance of course for these very youngsters to make an impact, despite their inexperience. If India don't win this quiet little ODI series they'll be even more questions to answer. I mean, India are won the one-day world cup last year, didn't they? Testing times for the youth of English cricket, and a good test for a new and inexperienced captain.

  • on October 16, 2011, 14:19 GMT

    Stilll wonder why Dhoni sticks with VinayKumar?He hass never been bowled like a International Pro and always been inconsistent trying too much things. I will go for Rahul sharma in place of him and also Varun Aaron in place of Umesh Yadav. Any way Hope Inida wins...and my man is Gauti to smash those English bowlers...

  • on October 16, 2011, 14:34 GMT

    i think on delhi pitch better play an extra spinner of rahul sharma or if go with same combination give aaron a chance like abhishek said let gauti open play tiwari in place of parthiv improves feilding and for eng pla bell in place of troot tough call but they (eng ) really want to show they are best they have to take tough calls bcoz troot doesnt look like a test no 3 in front of spinners maybe in test situatioun will change bell may help even more agreesive