India v England, 3rd ODI, Mohali October 19, 2011

England struggling to stay afloat in series

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Match Facts

October 20, Mohali
Start time 1430 (0900 GMT)

Big Picture

As Rudyard Kipling once put it: "East is East, and West is West, and never the twain shall meet." The contemptuous dominance that England enjoyed in their home Test series against India is now being reprised in reverse in their one-day tour against the same opponents.

England's opening two ODIs in Hyderabad and Delhi resulted in two crushing defeats, and unless they can stop the rot at the third time of asking in Mohali, they will have squandered the series with two games to play. It's hard to envisage any such transformation taking place, however. With one victory in their last 15 ODIs in India - and none since April 2006 - England have been in this position before, and have yet to work out an escape route.

India are a much-changed team from the outfit that won the World Cup back in April, but in their first home campaign since that momentous achievement, they have tapped into the same well of confidence. England faced trial by spin in the first game, and trial by seam in the second, and while their batsmen faltered on each occasion, India's have gone from strength to strength.

From MS Dhoni's blistering assault in the final 16 overs of the first match, to Virat Kohli's crushing double-century partnership with Gautam Gambhir in the second, the defining feature of India's performances to date has been the fluidity of their run-scoring. Whereas England's innings have been staccato at best, with occasional boundary shots punctuated by long periods of failed strike rotation, India's ability to create gaps in the field has been nigh on impossible to match, and even harder to stop.

In that regard, the absence of Eoin Morgan has been critical for England. His nominal replacement, Jonny Bairstow, hits a long ball given half a chance, as demonstrated on debut at Cardiff last month, but he has yet to learn the versatility required to dominate on Indian pitches. He's not alone in that regard. Craig Kieswetter has managed one boundary and seven runs in 13 balls so far, and while Alastair Cook and Jonathan Trott have looked at ease in the conditions when they've got in, neither man has been able to put pedal to metal in the manner of their India counterparts.

England's problems extend to their bowling attack as well. Steven Finn and Tim Bresnan have impressed in an individual capacity, even though their figures hardly reflect their efforts, but Jade Dernbach's variations have been collared, while Samit Patel has struggled as a spin-bowling allrounder. Ravindra Jadeja, R Ashwin and even Kohli's leg-rollers have all proven more effective. It will take a considerable swing in fortunes for England to prove greater than the sum of India's parts in the coming contests.

Form guide


(completed matches, most recent first)

India WWLTL
England LLWTW

In the spotlight

There was no love lost between England's bowlers and Virat Kohli in Delhi, but seeing as he butchered them with a sublime 89-ball hundred, there was only one winner of that particular skirmish. Whatever technical suspicions were aired on the England tour, they were nowhere to be seen as he filleted the gaps in the field with aplomb, and he further confirmed his prowess on home soil with five nagging overs of unhittable medium pace. At the age of 22, he is seizing his chance to become the flag-bearer of India's new generation.

Jade Dernbach is a remarkable bowler for England to have in their ranks - a genuinely innovative seamer with an arsenal of variation to call upon, and time on his side to fine-tune his repertoire. When he gets it right, as he did with a looping slower ball to pin Gautam Gambhir lbw in Hyderabad, he can bamboozle the best players; however, when his variations are clocked, the joke is invariably on him - and so far in this campaign, he has one wicket at 99.00 in 16 overs. As Shane Warne once said of young legspin bowlers, he needs a lot of love to build the confidence upon which his skills will be pinned, but he's not getting it on this most torrid of tours to date.

Pitch and conditions

One of the most northerly venues in India, the Punjab Cricket Association Stadium has traditionally offered something to the seamers, although on the evidence of the second ODI, it is India's pairing of Praveen Kumar and Vinay Kumar who are better placed to exploit whatever is on offer.

Team news

No change was necessary the hosts in Delhi despite the conditions being markedly different, and so more of the same can be expected in Mohali. It makes quite a contrast to the recent tour of England, on which casualties abounded.

India (probable): 1 Parthiv Patel, 2 Ajinkya Rahane, 3 Gautam Gambhir, 4 Virat Kohli, 5 Suresh Raina, 6 MS Dhoni (capt & wk), 7 Ravindra Jadeja, 8 R Ashwin, 9 Praveen Kumar, 10 Vinay Kumar, 11 Umesh Yadav

Patel's place is under scrutiny following two poor bowling performances in the opening two games. Chris Woakes, one of his likelier replacements, has been ruled out of the tour through injury. His replacement is Graham Onions, although the legspinner Scott Borthwick is arguably first in line for a call-up. Despite being at 30s and 40s in Delhi, England may yet resist the temptation to tinker with the batting, with Ian Bell once again set to wait his turn.

England (probable): 1 Alastair Cook (capt), 2 Craig Kieswetter (wk), 3 Jonathan Trott, 4 Kevin Pietersen, 5 Ravi Bopara, 6 Jonny Bairstow, 7 Tim Bresnan, 8 Graeme Swann, 9 Scott Borthwick, 10 Steven Finn, 11 Jade Dernbach

Stats and trivia

  • India have a chequered history in ODIs at Mohali - they have won six and lost four of their ten games at the venue since 1993.
  • However, Mohali retains a significant place in the nation's affections, given the result of the last game it hosted in March 2011: the victorious World Cup semi-final against Pakistan.

Quotes

"The challenge for me is to get the players in the right frame of mind. We will have some scars when we get to Mohali, but we'll have to deal with them."
Alastair Cook faces up to his toughest test as England captain

"The youngsters are stepping up, and coming up with the performances needed at international level - both with ball and bat."
MS Dhoni is delighted with the development of a new-look India team

Andrew Miller is UK editor of ESPNcricinfo

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  • JG2704 on October 20, 2011, 9:37 GMT

    Re England's line up - which is what this post was meant to be about - I would like to see England's batting line up remain the same throughout this series. I feel to drop players after 2 matches is not giving them a good chance. A 5 match series is giving the batsmen a fairer chance. Also re Bell , his stats in ODI's are not at all good , whether you are talking about strikerate or average. Even in recent matches since he's improved so much in the test format. I honestly believe that expert pundits and fans seem to somehow believe that Bell is better in the OD format than he should be but for whatever reason he doesn't carry that over to the OD arena. Also , discarding the openers , all the England batsmen showed potential in the last match . Maybe put Borthwick into the team when conditions favours spin

  • JG2704 on October 20, 2011, 9:15 GMT

    @Anand Vanchi - thanks for your history lesson re test cricket , but at the end of the day history is all it is. England have deservedly become the number 1 test side on the ICC's rolling points ranking system. Even with the 4-0 win vs India they would not have become number 1 had they not worked their way up the points table , just like India would not have been 1 had they not done similar

  • JG2704 on October 20, 2011, 9:07 GMT

    @kriskini - India would have cared about the test series as they were defending their number one ranking and had they lost by a solitary test - and most neutral obsevers (never mind the Indians on these boars who said we'd take a hammering) thought that would be the best case scenario for England - then they'd have remained number one. Surely that would be important to you to remain number one and I'm pretty sure that you were proud enough when you were number 1 , but now you're knocked off that perch test matches test matches aresuddenly unimportant. England are T20 champions but being number 1 test side is so much more important to us. I'm not going to be as petty as to say I couldn't care less about this series as I want Eng to win every match they play in. I'm sure you deep down care about the test series or at least would be gloating had the 4-0 been in India's favour.

  • on October 20, 2011, 8:52 GMT

    well india won this match...........

  • on October 20, 2011, 8:43 GMT

    Kohli should remember that being aggressive does not mean merely sledging and reacting in the way he does,but he learn the ways in which great players like Sachin,Dravid,react.

  • on October 20, 2011, 8:38 GMT

    True world champions should win in all surfaces under all conditions -- as the West Indies and Aussies had done in the past. Being a "Green Top Bully" is only as good as a "Dirt Track Bully". Both teams have plenty to prove when they play the other big teams, later. But for the moment, India has a great need to win, to erase the unsavory taste in the mouth they brought back from England. Wishing for a good competitive match (and of course,being an Indian myself, a win for India)

  • navy_fan_of_warrior_prince on October 20, 2011, 8:19 GMT

    Kieswetter, Dernbach, Trott n KP in this series are frm SA n u call tat an England team(Morgan-Ireland, Prior n Strauss-SA),, even if they are, let alone d series, wen was the last time England won a single ODI since 2006-->> n u call Eng Dominating,, wen was d last time Eng won a test series in Ind---> about 3 decades ago(84/85),, n u still call Eng Dominating,, whereas Ind won a test series 01/02 b4 End won in their own backyard since 1996. Ind won d test series in Eng in 07 n won d ODI series in 2002. atleast Ind lost d 07 odi series 4-3 to Eng,, except fr 1 season in 2011, Ind won atleast one series either d ODI or Test series since the 2000's n wen did Eng do tat previously.. answer d question,, Wen did Eng win a series(either test or ODI) in Ind n wen did Ind win in Eng?? d answer ll tel u which is better…

  • RupangMistry on October 20, 2011, 8:17 GMT

    From last few days i have noticed that fans are trying to find excuses... as far as i can tell there is no place for excuses in sport like cricket!!! comments from both sides like no this and no that.... bare in mind that cricket is 11 player game and best fit players will play.. there should not be a place for any excuses like that!!! And of course best team win. being a bowler and playing for one of the county league games here in UK from last 6 years, i have learnt a lot regarding individual attitude towards the game of cricket... if you look more closely , cricket is not just a long frame game.. it is for reasons... there is a vast possibility of variations, situations, which affect the ultimate result of the game and hence best team win... not due to no this and no that approach!!

    So as an Indian supporter - All the very best INDIA

    PS- Technically we are the best team in the world for this format of the game.

  • on October 20, 2011, 8:05 GMT

    @Dravid_Gravitas. While I can agree to some extent on wt u said abt Broad, I clearly disagree abt Anderson. He is never a fine bowler. Just like batsman, a bowler has to look decent in all conditions. Anderson will not. He thoroughly depend on pitch and weather conditions to seam/swing his ball. Look at Zak/PK. They can swing his delivery even in Indian "so called" flat pitches. Anderson will look like a bowling machine in such conditions and there are enough proof to backup this. U can check it urself in Cricinfo. :) And ur comment abt Dravid. I knw u r a big fan of Dravid. Ofcourse, Dravid doesnt hv gr8 record in SA. Bt, he has done reasonably well in other conditions(alien to him - Aus/NZ/Eng/WI) unlike Anderson who has always suffered in alien conditions. All batsman/Bowler cant be good in all conditions. Atleast they shud look decent in various conditions, which Anderson or for that matter any Eng bowler lacks.

  • indianzen on October 20, 2011, 7:58 GMT

    Parthiv Patel is not good on the field, he may be a keeper, but when needed, he should also field, better they get Manoj Tiwary as opener with Rahane...

  • JG2704 on October 20, 2011, 9:37 GMT

    Re England's line up - which is what this post was meant to be about - I would like to see England's batting line up remain the same throughout this series. I feel to drop players after 2 matches is not giving them a good chance. A 5 match series is giving the batsmen a fairer chance. Also re Bell , his stats in ODI's are not at all good , whether you are talking about strikerate or average. Even in recent matches since he's improved so much in the test format. I honestly believe that expert pundits and fans seem to somehow believe that Bell is better in the OD format than he should be but for whatever reason he doesn't carry that over to the OD arena. Also , discarding the openers , all the England batsmen showed potential in the last match . Maybe put Borthwick into the team when conditions favours spin

  • JG2704 on October 20, 2011, 9:15 GMT

    @Anand Vanchi - thanks for your history lesson re test cricket , but at the end of the day history is all it is. England have deservedly become the number 1 test side on the ICC's rolling points ranking system. Even with the 4-0 win vs India they would not have become number 1 had they not worked their way up the points table , just like India would not have been 1 had they not done similar

  • JG2704 on October 20, 2011, 9:07 GMT

    @kriskini - India would have cared about the test series as they were defending their number one ranking and had they lost by a solitary test - and most neutral obsevers (never mind the Indians on these boars who said we'd take a hammering) thought that would be the best case scenario for England - then they'd have remained number one. Surely that would be important to you to remain number one and I'm pretty sure that you were proud enough when you were number 1 , but now you're knocked off that perch test matches test matches aresuddenly unimportant. England are T20 champions but being number 1 test side is so much more important to us. I'm not going to be as petty as to say I couldn't care less about this series as I want Eng to win every match they play in. I'm sure you deep down care about the test series or at least would be gloating had the 4-0 been in India's favour.

  • on October 20, 2011, 8:52 GMT

    well india won this match...........

  • on October 20, 2011, 8:43 GMT

    Kohli should remember that being aggressive does not mean merely sledging and reacting in the way he does,but he learn the ways in which great players like Sachin,Dravid,react.

  • on October 20, 2011, 8:38 GMT

    True world champions should win in all surfaces under all conditions -- as the West Indies and Aussies had done in the past. Being a "Green Top Bully" is only as good as a "Dirt Track Bully". Both teams have plenty to prove when they play the other big teams, later. But for the moment, India has a great need to win, to erase the unsavory taste in the mouth they brought back from England. Wishing for a good competitive match (and of course,being an Indian myself, a win for India)

  • navy_fan_of_warrior_prince on October 20, 2011, 8:19 GMT

    Kieswetter, Dernbach, Trott n KP in this series are frm SA n u call tat an England team(Morgan-Ireland, Prior n Strauss-SA),, even if they are, let alone d series, wen was the last time England won a single ODI since 2006-->> n u call Eng Dominating,, wen was d last time Eng won a test series in Ind---> about 3 decades ago(84/85),, n u still call Eng Dominating,, whereas Ind won a test series 01/02 b4 End won in their own backyard since 1996. Ind won d test series in Eng in 07 n won d ODI series in 2002. atleast Ind lost d 07 odi series 4-3 to Eng,, except fr 1 season in 2011, Ind won atleast one series either d ODI or Test series since the 2000's n wen did Eng do tat previously.. answer d question,, Wen did Eng win a series(either test or ODI) in Ind n wen did Ind win in Eng?? d answer ll tel u which is better…

  • RupangMistry on October 20, 2011, 8:17 GMT

    From last few days i have noticed that fans are trying to find excuses... as far as i can tell there is no place for excuses in sport like cricket!!! comments from both sides like no this and no that.... bare in mind that cricket is 11 player game and best fit players will play.. there should not be a place for any excuses like that!!! And of course best team win. being a bowler and playing for one of the county league games here in UK from last 6 years, i have learnt a lot regarding individual attitude towards the game of cricket... if you look more closely , cricket is not just a long frame game.. it is for reasons... there is a vast possibility of variations, situations, which affect the ultimate result of the game and hence best team win... not due to no this and no that approach!!

    So as an Indian supporter - All the very best INDIA

    PS- Technically we are the best team in the world for this format of the game.

  • on October 20, 2011, 8:05 GMT

    @Dravid_Gravitas. While I can agree to some extent on wt u said abt Broad, I clearly disagree abt Anderson. He is never a fine bowler. Just like batsman, a bowler has to look decent in all conditions. Anderson will not. He thoroughly depend on pitch and weather conditions to seam/swing his ball. Look at Zak/PK. They can swing his delivery even in Indian "so called" flat pitches. Anderson will look like a bowling machine in such conditions and there are enough proof to backup this. U can check it urself in Cricinfo. :) And ur comment abt Dravid. I knw u r a big fan of Dravid. Ofcourse, Dravid doesnt hv gr8 record in SA. Bt, he has done reasonably well in other conditions(alien to him - Aus/NZ/Eng/WI) unlike Anderson who has always suffered in alien conditions. All batsman/Bowler cant be good in all conditions. Atleast they shud look decent in various conditions, which Anderson or for that matter any Eng bowler lacks.

  • indianzen on October 20, 2011, 7:58 GMT

    Parthiv Patel is not good on the field, he may be a keeper, but when needed, he should also field, better they get Manoj Tiwary as opener with Rahane...

  • on October 20, 2011, 7:47 GMT

    While I myself was little annoyed wid Kohli's reactions on field, I feel he will mature with Time. Not every1 can be Sachin/Dravid in this aspect. Also I must admit he didnt sledge. All he doing is, celebrating his victorious moments in aggressive way, which is much much better than sledging. Nothing to worry much. I hope he will go on to become a gr8 of this sport. Ind definitely need likes of him in International arena in all formats of the game.

  • Shubham- on October 20, 2011, 7:43 GMT

    I don't know from where the greatness came. England win matches at there home, India win them in India. England could not beat India in a Test series mind you Home or Away for 15 long years before this series. On the other hand India have never beaten Australia in Australia which England have ofcourse. India are world Champions in ODI's and were crowned No. 1 test team for more then a year. England recently did it by winning at home. So here Fans can choose there own greats. English Fans need to realise there team is not great but has potential to be one. There is huge difference in both the statements.

  • Haleos on October 20, 2011, 7:37 GMT

    @zenboomerang - The best test bowler of England-India series will be trashed in ODIs. He was just about ok in England. In india he will be taken to cleaners. England are a very very good test team in favorable conditions of Eng, Aus, SA. They would struggle(specially their bowlers) to perform in Asian conditions.

  • Haleos on October 20, 2011, 7:35 GMT

    As long as Kohli is hitting runs and performaing well, I dont mind him giving it back to the opponents. We need some agression in the team to be world beaters. When aussies did it, they were called ruthless. They could afford to do it bcoz they were winninng everything. Kohli can do the same as long as he is performing.

  • PiyushD on October 20, 2011, 7:28 GMT

    Nothing less than 5-0 will be satisfying and will be ideal payback.

  • blastu on October 20, 2011, 7:28 GMT

    when india thrash england in odi series,english fans started to say they interested only in test match not much on odi. what a joke..The test series in india,india would have regained thr top spot.Its test or odi or 20-20 we have cared all form of games.we have won worldcup twice,20-20 once & in test we are in top spot for two years until england series.india as proved in all forms of games.what about england, dont say about ashes series..

  • kolusu on October 20, 2011, 7:14 GMT

    England surely would do well to get their plans right to bring Bell into the team and give fight to India......Last two one day's are one side matches.....please fight with India

  • on October 20, 2011, 6:58 GMT

    I like the passion in Kohli , but Delhi Boy needs to curb his anger .English drubbing is all i expect from this series.Indians are expiating fabulously. Critics were writing off Indian players after England Series. .In between ,Our IPL is sort of like World Baseball Series in USA. International Matches Should be cut down , so players could repose for breath b/w Series.

  • on October 20, 2011, 6:46 GMT

    As a indian fan i am also annoyed by kohli's attitude.. it is not good in field. He should learn that from their seniors and would ask him play the play (as he is expert in it) and stop the talk.

  • kasyapm on October 20, 2011, 6:35 GMT

    @simon_w, you echo my thoughts..have seen a number of balanced comments from both sides. We should be giving credit where it is due - as we have to England for their sustained intensity and superb skill over the test series. It was a thorough performance.

  • on October 20, 2011, 6:31 GMT

    Whether or not kohli is a arrogant player, he scores runs for india, thats what important in cricket. He talks with the bat and he will reply by scoring century if anyone tease him.

  • on October 20, 2011, 6:25 GMT

    BEST OF LUCK INDIA...........CHAK DE.........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111

  • Rajul_Tandon on October 20, 2011, 6:04 GMT

    wow..good to read @Gilli85, peterss..that Sachin is the greatest...am glad even poms say so...our own soothsayer landl47 seems to be a bit submissive after 2 crushing defeats..after he predicted a 5-0 scoreline in favour of England just 10 days ago...let it be... wanna see some good show by England, hope they do that in Mohali..Trott, Cook, Pieterson, Bell, Finn, Bresnan, Swann are all extremely talented & experienced...trust they will keep this series alive....

  • on October 20, 2011, 6:04 GMT

    Rahane needs to get better. Kohli is rocking. Gauti regained his touch with 32 & 84*. Vinay,PK,Umesh,Ashwin are threatening. Jadeja is supporting these. Dhoni,Raina also scoring well. Fielding had been really good. Parthiv was unlucky in 1st match. A combined team effort which thrashed England the same way it recieved a month ago!!!

    Simple, India is able to beat a full strength Eng squad despite the absence of Viru,Sachin,Yuvi,Zak,Bhajji,Ishant. England thrashed a 2nd string indian side and its now getting thrashed by a similar strength-ed Indian squad( Only Gauti was added to the list)

  • on October 20, 2011, 6:01 GMT

    kohli is a great player with a great attitide!!!

  • zenboomerang on October 20, 2011, 5:51 GMT

    Seems England can only win ODI's at home... their away record is abysmal... Aussies thrashed them in Oz & India is going to do the same at home... world rankings - England 5th... says it all... obviously not using the best Test bowlers is a major problem & batters underperforming makes it worse... need a shake up throughout the team... we can lend you the Argus report if you like... :P

  • RageshPMenon on October 20, 2011, 5:34 GMT

    Can anyone tell is there any other player currently playing like Kohli does in international level? He is absolutely majestic even away from home also. Nice to have a player like this at this age.

  • anver777 on October 20, 2011, 5:05 GMT

    A must win game for Eng !!! to stay in the series...Ind surely targeting 5/0 whitewash at this stage, but i feel Eng won't give up & they will win today's important game !! Come on Eng Lions show your true colors today !!!!!!

  • Mad_Mahi on October 20, 2011, 4:50 GMT

    @Gilli85, @peterss: If you take heat out of fire it will loss its form, if you take the passion + arrogance =attitude for the game out of kohli he will loss his form. Something and someone is meant never to be changed.

  • NairUSA on October 20, 2011, 4:44 GMT

    Hope Team India can win this game and thereby the series. Winning this series is paramount for India so that further test series win is possible.

  • on October 20, 2011, 4:31 GMT

    To all those who keep bragging about England`s test prowess of being No1. pls find the following performances in the away and home series with test playing nations. Aus - away - won, home- won(with difficulty narrow margin of 1-0) Nz - away won, home won Bangladesh - away won , home won and now comes the interesting part... West indies - away lost , home won Srilanka - away lost, home won India - away lost, home - big win Pakistan - away - to be played in near future in middle east, home - won with difficulty South africa - away - draw, home lost. take away the last three wins against Aus, srilanka(managed with difficult even at home) and India.. that too two of which was at home .. there is really nothing much to crow about here.. so lets wait and watch how they go about correcting this. without correcting this anomaly .. they can only be paper tigers. And India actually has better overal performance against SA, Srilanka and West indies in the same time.

  • on October 20, 2011, 4:28 GMT

    @Kipling

    Are you opining that ODIs are not more fun than Tests? Check out how non-cricket playing countries comment about Test format as "a game where you dont win after playing it for 5 days". It was made to be fun in 80s not in 2011.

  • on October 20, 2011, 3:46 GMT

    @jmcilhinney: You are correct my friend, in saying that a series without test matches seems like an afterthought, and @Dravid_Gravitas: You and i have remained closely associated to both the English summer and the Indian autumn here, but i think you are wrong in calling James Anderson a fine bowler. He is got only in seaming conditions and i think his record in the subcontinent, which is horrendous, is an apt testimony to this fact. I think that is one prime reason why he was rested for this series. Injury to Broad was unfortunate, but then, you and I know how the English fans devoured us Indian fans when we complained about injured players two months ago.

  • landl47 on October 20, 2011, 3:30 GMT

    India have played very well so far, England not so well. England must put together a good team performance, batting, bowling and fielding, and put some pressure on India. This venue is the most likely one for them to do it. Hopefully we'll see a good game.

  • me54321 on October 20, 2011, 3:28 GMT

    I know we're probably going to get beat today, and that this match and series isn't particularly important, but i'm still looking forward to getting home from work and watching it. Come on England! Someone please stand up, and produce a match winning performance

  • johnathonjosephs on October 20, 2011, 3:11 GMT

    No Bell, Morgan, Broad, or Anderson???? What kind of lineup is this? But likewise, no Sehwag, Yuvraj, or Zak?? (tendulkar is long done with ODIs).... Would say Kohli is a man too look at and Dhoni has seemed to run back in form once again (for some strange reason he is never able to convert his ODI form to the Test Arena). England sorely missing Broad and Anderson. Hope they are back (along with Tremlett) for the Tests Ideal England Test 11: Strauss, Cook, Trott, Pieterson, Bell, Morgan, Prior, Broad, Swann, ANderson, Tremlett Ideal Indian Test 11: Sehwag, Gambhir, Dravid, SRT, Laxman, Kohli (NOT Raina, because Kohli will be better for future use), Dhoni, Zak, Ishant, , Harbhajan, Ojha/Ashwin (Interested in what Ashwin can do in Tests)

  • simon_w on October 20, 2011, 2:59 GMT

    wow, this is nice, sensible and measured comments on both sides! have I come to the wrong comments page? well done all!

  • peterss on October 20, 2011, 2:56 GMT

    @Gilli85: Agreed! Kohli's attitude is extremely annoying. cant get any more arrogant. Not the right attributes for a good cricket player. Sachin, Dravid and Laxman are the gentlemen and advertisers of cricket.

  • thebarmyarmy on October 20, 2011, 1:54 GMT

    England need to put out a full team. Not just experimenting all the time...

  • SanjivAwesome on October 20, 2011, 1:21 GMT

    As an India cricket lover, I want England to win at Mohali. Else the series will fizz. Let there be cricket!

  • IndiaPunjab on October 20, 2011, 0:46 GMT

    too 'riiingo', very well said. England have the best test team around. Which will be sternly tested by SA and India next year. Win those 2 series and wow lol. England wont win both lets be honest though. ODI wise, india are the best team around. However for england to be considered great, which they can be soon as they are no1 in tests, they have to dominate ODI cricket too. A good start to that would be winning in india against India. Imagine the worlds reaction if England could win in india this series. People would be talking about a possible dynasty. But they wont be because in ODI cricket Enfgland lack a truly explosive batsman. Shame on pietersen for his ODI form recently. Does anyone think aaron will get a game this series along with rahul sharma ? I really hope they do, best fast bowling prospect plus best spinner prospect. Hope they at least get one game. Also Parthiv patel and Rahane need to up their game with sehwag and sachin returning soon.

  • on October 20, 2011, 0:15 GMT

    Cannot believe England is not including Bell in the line up. He just had probably the best series of his life against India and easily the best player of the spin bowling in the entire line up. Also, who can forget his innings against India just a few months ago during the world cup barring that LBW controversy.

    England surely would do well to get their plans right to bring Bell into the mix and try change their fortunes

  • jmcilhinney on October 20, 2011, 0:00 GMT

    I wouldn't say that ODIs are meaningless or that this series is meaningless but I think that any true cricket fan must feel that a tour without test matches feels like an afterthought. Regardless of what some fans may say about excitement, test cricket is the pinnacle of cricket because of what it takes from the players, not the fans. Regardless of any of that, I don't see the results of the matches in this series as being as important to England as the way they go about the matches and what they learn from them. I think they'd be happy to lose every match from now until 2015 if it helped them win the WC. For that reason, Bairstow must stay in the team, at least for now. I am concerned about Kieswetter at the top. I know England don't really want to mess with their openers again but I wouldn't give him more than one more chance before getting Bell in to open. Maybe keep Kieswetter in but lower down for some late power hitting. Without Woakes, bring in Meaker or Borthwick for Dernbach.

  • Gilli85 on October 19, 2011, 22:50 GMT

    Kohli is a great player. but his attitude is irritatting.That is why sachin remains the greatest even if he doesn perform

  • The_bowlers_Holding on October 19, 2011, 22:16 GMT

    England have been thoroughly outplayed in the ODI's so far and I am sure will lose the seires either 5-0 or possibly 4-1. Just a point to those Indian fans who are banging the war drums- England are No.1 in the test rankings based on results home and away over the last 2 years, not just because they beat India this summer. They have the best record of all teams over the 2 years it is simple, as was the case when India were No.1 and Australia before that. What relevance does the ODI seies have on the test standings. England won in Australia ( the biggest home series defeat in living memory) and drew in SA (by sheer grit against the odds) along with winning all home series comfortably.Their success is based on a strong in depth squad, why can some Indian fans not give credit to other teams when they merit it, it is cringeworthy. I repeat you will win this series comfortably and deserve to as you are a better one day side.

  • maddy20 on October 19, 2011, 21:06 GMT

    England need to learn that on Indian pitches bowling too fast can be their undoing. You need to bowl a lot of slower balls and yorkers withoutgetting too predictable. As for spin play the ball as late as possible. These are not things that you can learn in a day or two but they have to. As for India we cannot be more pleased by their performance.

  • JG2704 on October 19, 2011, 20:07 GMT

    @Animesh Pattoo - The one day format is more important to you whereas the test format is more important to England and it's fans. We have been nowhere near the top of the OD rankings for years and years. I'm not going to slate the one day format or the T20 format. In fact we're current T20 world champions , but if , when the next T20 championship comes I had a choice of England retaining the T20 or the number1 test ranking it would be the latter every time. I would love England to excel in all forms of the game as Aus and WI have done in the past but I am honest enough to admit our failings in the 50 over format - esp sub continent.

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on October 19, 2011, 19:53 GMT

    @Shyam1311, agreed that the Brit pacers don't have a good record against us in India. But that record is an aberration. They have to straighten it out before they hang up their boots. Their quality can't be questioned so easily. Broad and Anderson displayed the fine art of swing and seam bowling the whole summer. Broad in particular was so disciplined and focussed; consistently pitched the ball up and the rest is history. It took the genius of a Dravid and some luck to negate him and Anderson. Why not enjoy those awesome displays instead of belittling them? Even Dravid doesn't have a great record in South Africa and to some extent in Australia and Srilanka. Does that make Dravid a dud? Stuart Broad and Anderson are vastly improved bowlers as of now. Let us not look at their past stats alone.

  • on October 19, 2011, 19:43 GMT

    "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" or in other words in footballing terms "do not change a winning team". Win all 5 ODI'S and make it a quintet 5-0 drubbing. It's payback time, is it not? Experiments and chances to other players can wait. Let's hope team India are geared up with the same positive approach for the remaining 3 ODI'S. FORZA INDIA. GO INDIA GO.

  • on October 19, 2011, 19:41 GMT

    @Kipling

    Are you opining that ODIs are not more fun than Tests? Check out how non-cricket playing countries comment about Test format as "a game where you dont win after playing it for 5 days". It was made to be fun in 80s not in 2011.

  • JG2704 on October 19, 2011, 19:36 GMT

    Tried to post this before @Shyam1311 - You asked for comments from English fans , well here goes. Broad is injured and on his day he is a great bowler in any format , he may have done well , he may have got hammered. Anderson is England's second ranked ODI bowler behind Swann , but again we'll never know as he was awful in the WC but decent in the summer. Re Morgan , I do feel we really miss him badly as he has so much talent and imagination and I think he would do well out there. As for Bell - I'm not one of these who are crying for him to play. If I may compare this to the Indian fans comments , with the exception of ZK , every first choice player which got injured in the test series failed when they did play . Well Kumar I think missed a test but he was only good by comparison to the rest of the Indian bowlers. Re H Singh , Gambir , Yuvraj , Sehwag - what did they achieve when they did play ?

  • spence1324 on October 19, 2011, 19:17 GMT

    @Joel kipling Agreed england are the best team in the world,preparation,fitness mental thoroughness when the going gets tough and skill and ablity to work out a opponent are all trademarks of test cricket for the last 100+ years ,however one day cricket does have its place and im not begrudging india on there world cup win,but some of t here batman look totally lost at sea playing tests,slogging in india makes them look good but you, me, them and the rest of the world saw what happened in england.

  • on October 19, 2011, 19:10 GMT

    When it was in ENG - IND was 'awful' - not worthy of #1 Test Ranking ( despite being there for almost 2 yrs without a single world class bowler barring a fit Zaheer), useless ODI team ( despite 2 matches which could've gone either way, and a tie). Virat, Raina, Gambhir were all found out. Now that it's in IND - they are World Champions, even their B team can beat ENG, it's payback, revenge and whatnot! Dernbach, Bairstow and Keiswetter are all ordinary. Truth be told, since Australia circa 2007 - there is NO single team who are worthy of #1 tag. Not a single team which can claim sustained supremacy across formats, home and away... period!

  • cricketdebator on October 19, 2011, 19:09 GMT

    Despite their dominance at home during the summer, I said then that England proved nothing. I also said that for England to be truly No. 1, they had to beat India, IN INDIA. From what we have seen so far, climbing Mount Everest seems to be easier for England to achieve. Then again , the English rationale is very strange. They are touring India where it is likely they will predominently face spin bowling. They have in their squad a fit and available Ian Bell who is reportedly their best player of spin bowling, just coming out of a very succesful series against India, and in the form of his life, yet he has not been selected. The logic of this decision is way beyond the comprehension of all but the English themselves.

  • kasyapm on October 19, 2011, 19:08 GMT

    @Naresh28: I really hope what you are saying turns out to be true. Our ODI cricket is already in good hands with decent back-ups. It is our test team that needs able replacements and I don't think we have seen enough of any of the existing players to say that they are here to stay. We have exciting prospects in Pujara, Kohli, Rahane & others but it is hard to replace the greats that you have mentioned. I would like Sachin, VVS and Rahul to stay till we reach no.1 again...hopefully we will :-) and more importantly, I would like to see a series win in Aus when these guys are around.

  • anksoct on October 19, 2011, 19:02 GMT

    i've just one thing to say today : welcome back Andrew. Remember to post your reports right till the last match, irrespective of the result, of course..

  • on October 19, 2011, 18:48 GMT

    to all those giving excuses. If you lose. your not the best team in the world, if you don't win everywhere. Your much better though if you accept the other team has played better. and no, ODIs are as important as test matches, because you know the CRICKET WORLD CUP, is played in fifty overs, not 5 day matches.

  • BharathRatna on October 19, 2011, 18:38 GMT

    i dont know why are all give preference to varun than vinay.Speed is not only the important, line and length is the most important.vinay has accurate in his bowling, he has also speed ,in previous match he reached to upto 138/kph.If they dont know the domestic season of vinay go and check the stastics ,since from debut he is the most consitent bowler in the ranji cricket.

  • Nampally on October 19, 2011, 18:35 GMT

    Uthappa, Dhawan & Mukund have scored heavily in the local matches during the past 3 weeks as opening batsmen, yet cannot get a spot!.All 3 are better fielders than the WK Parthiv.I think the Selectors have a lot of explaining to justify excluding any of these 3 for the opening spot over P.Patel.Parthiv is enjoying unusual gift of fortunes. However if he fails, he may be out of future Indian sides.Also can Rahane be an opening bat? India has done well in all other departments except giving away 2 wkts. of the openers, cheaply.The main issue is can India pull out one more win to seal the deal, when England will be fighting desperately to save it. I think they can if the whole team rises jointly to bowl, bat & field brilliantly as they did in the first 2 ODI's. Where there is will there is a way- this team is determined to Win on their home soil. India must focus on finishing the job they started with a TKO for a 3-0 series win.This will also justify Kiplings' quotation in this article.

  • ravi_shankar88 on October 19, 2011, 18:30 GMT

    @Joel Kipling Sour grapes..... huh!.ha....ha...ha... i agree england is the best test team right now.but that doesn't mean they are world beaters and that goes for india too.....one team struggles in fast tracks with swing and another team fumbles in slow turning pitches,i think both teams don't deserve to be no:1 unless they improve their performances in overseas atleast for few years in both the tests as well as odi's. i think india's tour of australia and england's tour of pakistan will let us know who is the best.cheers..........

  • Valavan on October 19, 2011, 18:18 GMT

    @Shyam1311. Comon we dont miss anyone btw Cricket is bigger than individuals for us (ENGLAND). We accept we are not a good ODI outfit, consistently inconsistent, But i give you few samples of your taste but ave of Indians in England, Virender Sehwag career test avg (52.26), but in England (27.80), ODI career avg (35.11) but in England(21.75). The So called Sultan of Delhi is a TAME CAT IN ENGLAND.Bhajan Singh career test ave bowling (32.22), in England (49.28). He is a 400 wicket holder. gautam Gambhir, test avg career (48.34), in England (17.00). ODI career avg (41.70) in england (28.20). We dont miss anyone. It was you all like MSD ready with million excuses until september 15th. Cricinfo please publish

  • BharathRatna on October 19, 2011, 18:15 GMT

    Umesh should be replaced with Arvind to see different variety in the bowling.

  • ravi_shankar88 on October 19, 2011, 18:13 GMT

    @ bthomasNYC. Absolutely,only 2 odis are over.take one match at a time.try to win tommorow's match then think about giving chances to players like aaron,aravind,sharma...etc for the last 2 one dayers.

  • CSKftw on October 19, 2011, 18:11 GMT

    @Joel Kipling

    England are worse in India than India were in England. Winning on home soil alone doesn't prove that they're the best team. No team deserves to call itself no.1 if it cannot win in all types of conditions. India were competitive throughout the ODI series in England and had some of the matches not being washed out India could have easily won some of those games whereas England are being thrashed easily in India. England will come to India next year to play a test series and get thrashed in it like they always have, the last time England won a series in India was in 1985 whereas the last time India won a series in England was in 2007.

  • TLKC on October 19, 2011, 18:03 GMT

    England-has anyone even considered playing Ian Bell? Why take him on the tour if there is no intenrion of playing him? I agree with building for the future, but not at the espense of losing games now.

  • Romenevans on October 19, 2011, 17:56 GMT

    @ Raman_pb - Drop vinay kumar to Varun Aaron? Either you don't follow indian domestic cricket or you have no idea what you're talking about. Varun Arron was barely touching 135 km/ph in the recent domestic match against Rajasthan and he was all over the place. Where in the last match against England Vinay was super and he swung the ball beautifully. Vinay don't have surprise deliveries? Did yous ee his bouncer to KP when he was walking off the pitch, he hit him twice on his fingers. Vinay kumar is a class act and he's a kind of bowler who will survive in sub-continent conditions. Pace isn't everything. See what happened to Bresnan, Finn and Dernback they are all 145/kph + bowlers.

  • kriskini on October 19, 2011, 17:54 GMT

    Donot think for 5-0 revenge. Prepare for the next world cup. If WE WIN THIS odi then rest some more players and give chances to others so that we will build bench strength and reducing stress on the same players.

  • phenom007 on October 19, 2011, 17:51 GMT

    @Raman_pb: I hope u have been following Ranji and other domestic tournaments.. Vinay was the highest wicket taker in 2 seasons and was a runner up in the next season.. The so called pace guns didnt even have half the wickets as what Vinay had. So please stop all your non-sense and give some credit to domestic performers like Vinay and S Aravind..Otherwise, whats the point in havinf domestic seasons if its not recognised..

  • kriskini on October 19, 2011, 17:49 GMT

    @Joel Kipling. Who cares for England series also. World cup is the most prestegious and India is the current winner. Eventhough England is Test cricket #1 they can loose this any time. But India the world cup winners till 2015. CHEERS.

  • symsun on October 19, 2011, 17:18 GMT

    I am not sure Dhoni will give chance to Varun aaron, even if India go up 3-0 at mohali.. Like to see whether Dhoni changes his mind.

  • on October 19, 2011, 17:17 GMT

    Yawn , who cares . This series means nothing , England are the best test Cricket team in the world . ODI games mean nothing , oh and by the way England beat India 3-0 in the Odi s 2 MONTHS AGO . Chears

  • on October 19, 2011, 17:14 GMT

    Hopefully wishfully expectfully england r going to win and make a contest out of the series england have not played bad at all they just have faltered at crucial moment in the games

  • Baundele on October 19, 2011, 17:12 GMT

    I do not understand why there is even a talk about Samit Patel's place in the team. He is a batting all rounder. He bowled reasonably well in the first ODI, failed in abtting like most others; he batted fluently in the second ODI scoring 42 (only KP scored more) and asked to bowl only 2 overs. England lost both matches miserably and most of their players have suffered. Patel is only one of very few who performed in some extent. And now people talk about dropping him! Does he have to score a century and take 5 wickets each match?

  • on October 19, 2011, 17:04 GMT

    I can never see an England side doing well in India. With all the subcontinent cricket to be played by England in 2012 (UAE, Sri Lanka, World T20, India) and home Test series to South Africa its going to be a tough ask for them to mantain their position as the no.1 Test side and struggle in ODIs on the subcontinent. I felt that this England side without Jimmy, Stuart, Eoin is not going to make a difference as the heat is to much to take for them. I'm proud of Virat and Gambhir having a go at Bresnan and Trott (who looked ridiculous) as they got a chance prove there still is class to come from this India side. Virat is coming of age and once he improves his Test game he's going to be a class act. JAI HIND!

  • Shyam1311 on October 19, 2011, 17:02 GMT

    Please look at following facts of players claimed to be missed by England Fans.

    Broad - Carrier (84 Match, 137 Wickets, 27.08 Avg., 5.23 Economy rate) In India V/s India (5 Match, 7 Wickets, 38.29 Avg., 6.14 Economy rate) Last Match Figures in India V/s India (8.4 over - 54 Run/1 wicket)

    Anderson - Carrier (151 Match, 204 Wickets, 30.89 Avg., 5.04 Economy rate) In India V/s India (12 Match, 12 Wickets, 48.08 Avg., 5.89 Economy rate) Last Match Figures in India V/s India (9.5 over - 91 Run/1 wicket)

    Bell - Carrier (107 Match, 3232 Runs, 34.38 Avg., 73.37 Strike rate) In India V/s India (8 Match, 235 Run, 29.38 Avg.), Last Match Figures in India V/s India (3 Run)

    Morgon - Never played in India v/s India.

    I don't think above players may have impact the results much. I want comments from English Fans.

  • on October 19, 2011, 16:45 GMT

    India should try giving arvind,rahul,sharma and of course varun aaron a chance in mohali. They should try all the players in this series . It will be a nice exposure before the all important australian tour.

  • Raman.UV on October 19, 2011, 16:45 GMT

    Vinay Kumar should be replaced with varun to see his worth in the squad. cos i can't see vinay as future aspect with military medium pace with no swing and he lacks surprising deliveries. he is not a smart thinking bowler as v need in australia and Further tours. he can't get wickets on his own and depends on batsmen to do bad certificate.

  • Naresh28 on October 19, 2011, 16:43 GMT

    India should go for an outright victory. We are the ODI world champs. Parthiv should be changed for Tiwari. This will give more venom to the squad especially in the fielding. I think Dhoni should make a change for Vinay - although he did well in Dehli. We need a left armer who could account for Peterson and Cook - this will add variety. Only option is Arvind. This young Indian team has probably buried our old stalwarts - maybe we wont see Tendulkar play ODI. I feel the coming Australian series will be the farewell of the big three - Tendulkar, Dravid and Laxman. Indian cricket will be left in good hands.

  • bthomasNYC on October 19, 2011, 16:32 GMT

    Please its just 2 ODIs thats over. Lets wait and see if India are Lions in their den or not...

  • bigdhonifan on October 19, 2011, 16:25 GMT

    Change the team!!!! Let Gauti open with Ajinkya then Kohli, Tiwari, no change there after in the line up!!! You can try Varun in place of Vinay or Umesh!!! give him a chance!!

  • bestofluckindia on October 19, 2011, 16:22 GMT

    England should be aggressive and put in more efforts on verbal sledging coz I think apart from Fielding, Bowling, Batting practise Indians needs additional spicing up. Kohli really enjoyed the spice from Bresnan and Trott. Please next time sledge-up Dhoni directly and lets see what happens Please???

  • 200ondebut on October 19, 2011, 16:16 GMT

    Whilst I am a passionate England fan I can't see anything other than a 5-0 whitewash. We just don't seem to have the right approach for 50 over matches - home or abroad. Not enough players who can play the big innings (and hit the ball out of the park) nor enough bowlers who can hold there nerve when the heat is on. Personally I would get rid of Kieswttr and Cook, open with Trott and Ravi and bring Buttler in. Haven't a clue about bowlers - nobody else stands out.

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on October 19, 2011, 16:15 GMT

    If we win the 3rd ODI, we should rest at least 6-7 players from this squad and field a second/third string team to give them some international exposure. That'll give some much needed rest to the work horses. Dhoni should get some well deserved rest. He is doing great now. Let him watch the rest of his team mates from the stands and judge them from there. He can sit alongside Duncan Fletcher. He/They'll also get some ideas about how to deal with the situations as the game progresses from the comfort of the stands/dressing room. As long as we win the series, payback is well and truly accomplished.

  • on October 19, 2011, 15:45 GMT

    Go INDIA Go.....It will be surely another big win....3-0 for sure.....I think India should try with Manoj Tiwari now by letting out Parthiv.

  • on October 19, 2011, 15:24 GMT

    Dhoni in rock style : It doesn't matter wt u think.. Finally we have come back to our home :) Do u smell wt v r COOKing :):) LOL

  • on October 19, 2011, 15:23 GMT

    england get ready for 3-0

  • kevinpp24 on October 19, 2011, 15:12 GMT

    I never understood how Kieswetter overtaken Davies, he's so poor in rotating strike, allows the bowler to deliver a complete over at him. Best option right now is replace Kies with Bell. Samit is a good player of spin so no need to drop him but he should come before Bairstow. My lineup is Cook, Bell, Trott, Kp, Ravi, Samit, Bairstow, Bresnan, Swann, Finn, Meaker. Dernbach does not look commited towards the end. Ravi should be prepared by bowling coach to bowl yorkers consistently, we need it in future series, his pace and height is good and easier to bowl skiddy yorkers. Rotating the strike is more important than hitting boundaries somebody should tell this to Craig. Pietersen is a must, he not just scores he attacks the bowlers even if its a defencive shot. Real problem for England is nobody from top order is a decent part-timer so Morgan will replace Bairstow which is sad coz that leaves all of Cook, Bell, Trott, Ravi, Samit to hold on to their places. Need hitters all the way down.

  • abhiyog on October 19, 2011, 14:54 GMT

    Win the Mohali ODI and give chance to players like arvind,rahul sharma and varun aaron in the next 2 matches...

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  • abhiyog on October 19, 2011, 14:54 GMT

    Win the Mohali ODI and give chance to players like arvind,rahul sharma and varun aaron in the next 2 matches...

  • kevinpp24 on October 19, 2011, 15:12 GMT

    I never understood how Kieswetter overtaken Davies, he's so poor in rotating strike, allows the bowler to deliver a complete over at him. Best option right now is replace Kies with Bell. Samit is a good player of spin so no need to drop him but he should come before Bairstow. My lineup is Cook, Bell, Trott, Kp, Ravi, Samit, Bairstow, Bresnan, Swann, Finn, Meaker. Dernbach does not look commited towards the end. Ravi should be prepared by bowling coach to bowl yorkers consistently, we need it in future series, his pace and height is good and easier to bowl skiddy yorkers. Rotating the strike is more important than hitting boundaries somebody should tell this to Craig. Pietersen is a must, he not just scores he attacks the bowlers even if its a defencive shot. Real problem for England is nobody from top order is a decent part-timer so Morgan will replace Bairstow which is sad coz that leaves all of Cook, Bell, Trott, Ravi, Samit to hold on to their places. Need hitters all the way down.

  • on October 19, 2011, 15:23 GMT

    england get ready for 3-0

  • on October 19, 2011, 15:24 GMT

    Dhoni in rock style : It doesn't matter wt u think.. Finally we have come back to our home :) Do u smell wt v r COOKing :):) LOL

  • on October 19, 2011, 15:45 GMT

    Go INDIA Go.....It will be surely another big win....3-0 for sure.....I think India should try with Manoj Tiwari now by letting out Parthiv.

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on October 19, 2011, 16:15 GMT

    If we win the 3rd ODI, we should rest at least 6-7 players from this squad and field a second/third string team to give them some international exposure. That'll give some much needed rest to the work horses. Dhoni should get some well deserved rest. He is doing great now. Let him watch the rest of his team mates from the stands and judge them from there. He can sit alongside Duncan Fletcher. He/They'll also get some ideas about how to deal with the situations as the game progresses from the comfort of the stands/dressing room. As long as we win the series, payback is well and truly accomplished.

  • 200ondebut on October 19, 2011, 16:16 GMT

    Whilst I am a passionate England fan I can't see anything other than a 5-0 whitewash. We just don't seem to have the right approach for 50 over matches - home or abroad. Not enough players who can play the big innings (and hit the ball out of the park) nor enough bowlers who can hold there nerve when the heat is on. Personally I would get rid of Kieswttr and Cook, open with Trott and Ravi and bring Buttler in. Haven't a clue about bowlers - nobody else stands out.

  • bestofluckindia on October 19, 2011, 16:22 GMT

    England should be aggressive and put in more efforts on verbal sledging coz I think apart from Fielding, Bowling, Batting practise Indians needs additional spicing up. Kohli really enjoyed the spice from Bresnan and Trott. Please next time sledge-up Dhoni directly and lets see what happens Please???

  • bigdhonifan on October 19, 2011, 16:25 GMT

    Change the team!!!! Let Gauti open with Ajinkya then Kohli, Tiwari, no change there after in the line up!!! You can try Varun in place of Vinay or Umesh!!! give him a chance!!

  • bthomasNYC on October 19, 2011, 16:32 GMT

    Please its just 2 ODIs thats over. Lets wait and see if India are Lions in their den or not...