India v England, 4th ODI, Mumbai

England seek consolation in heated series

The Preview by Dustin Silgardo

October 22, 2011

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Match Facts

India v England, October 23, Wankhede Stadium, Mumbai
Start time 1430 (0900 GMT)

MS Dhoni powered India towards a strong total, India v England, 1st ODI, Hyderabad, October 14, 2011
MS Dhoni insists this series is not about revenge © AFP
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Big Picture

The phrase 'to play for pride' is grossly overused, usually to lend a dead rubber some importance. But such has been the nature of the battle between India and England over the past few months that the sentiment may actually have some credence going in to the fourth ODI in Mumbai. MS Dhoni may not like the word "revenge" but surely he wouldn't mind "redemption" being used to describe India's performance at the end of the series. The magnitude of their failure in England means a simple series-win may not be enough to grant it. The fans want an emphatic scoreline.

There could hardly be a better place for India to underline their recovery from the disastrous summer tour. Though it seems like it has been an eternity since, it was only six-and-a-half months ago that Mumbai witnessed one of India's biggest wins.

But England have had a couple of special moments in ODIs at the Wankhede Stadium too: back in 1987 they beat India to go through to the World Cup final, and in 2002, Andrew Flintoff famously ripped his shirt off and did a victory-lap around the ground after bowling England to a series-levelling five-run win.

Since then England have lost 13 of 14 completed one-day internationals in bilateral series in India, and the frustration is beginning to show in the body-language of their players. There have been a few verbal confrontations between the players during this series, and Tim Bresnan was fined for snatching his cap from the umpire in the third ODI. Andy Flower, the England team director, has defended his team's attitude but will know a win is the only tonic for some hurt egos.

In order to achieve that, though, England need to accept certain realities of playing India in India, the first of which is that scores of 300, while winning totals in other countries, are often just par for the course on Indian pitches. After the Mohali ODI, Alastair Cook, the England captain, said their score of 298 was defendable, a statement made mainly to justify Jonathan Trott's innings of 98 not out from 116 balls, considered too slow by some. Cook would do well to listen to what Kumar Sangakkara, a man who knows all about playing against India in their home conditions, said after the World Cup final: "Anything less than 350 is not safe against India."

Aiming higher does not necessarily mean having to drop Trott, but it does mean that pretty much no-one else can afford to score at less than a run-a-ball. A series strike-rate of 84.31 from someone like Craig Kieswetter, in the side to provide rapid starts, simply won't cut it.

Form guide

India: WWWLT (completed matches, most recent first)
England: LLLWT

In the spotlight

In the absence of James Anderson and Stuart Broad, Tim Bresnan is the leader of England's seam attack, but he's been their most-expensive bowler in the series so far, going at 6.94 in his 24.2 overs. He's got the variations to be successful in the subcontinent and may want to look back to the tied game against India during the World Cup to figure out what to do right. In that match, Bresnan was the only bowler who shone on a batsman's night, and took 5 for 48 in his 10 overs.

When Vinay Kumar said, at the start of the series, that he would be guiding the younger bowlers during this series, it seemed ironic, given that Vinay had only played six ODIs himself. After taking five wickets in three games, including a four-wicket haul in Delhi, he has indeed proved to be India's spearhead. In Mohali, he was found out in the end overs, when Samit Patel read his short balls and slower ones easily. Vinay will want to prove he can be effective at both ends of an innings.

Pitch and conditions

Mumbai sees an unusual heat wave arrive every October, and the England players are going to find it extremely uncomfortable. This is not a welcome, sunny, sunbathe in Hyde Park sort of heat. It's muggy, stifling and you are likely to perspire a river by the time you've walked from the team bus to the ground. "Mumbai is a bit hot and humid, rehydration will be the key; batsman or bowler, everyone will be tested; no more runners in cricket," MS Dhoni tweeted during India's practice session on Saturday. The England players may not have the energy to type a sentence that long by the time Sunday is over.

The pitch will be a slow turner, according to Sudhir Naik, the Wankhede curator and former India opening batsman. "It will be slower than what was prepared for the World Cup final," he told the Times of India. "It will be a dry wicket."

Team news

Umesh Yadav injured his hand while fielding in the Mohali ODI and has been replaced in the squad by Abhimanyu Mithun. That means young fast bowler Varun Aaron, who has been waiting for his chance since the England tour, could make an international debut. Dhoni said India may give other players in the squad a chance so long as it doesn't affect the balance. The uncapped legspinner Rahul Sharma for R Ashwin would be a straight swap.

India (probable): 1 Parthiv Patel, 2 Ajinkya Rahane, 3 Gautam Gambhir, 4 Virat Kohli, 5 Suresh Raina, 6 MS Dhoni (capt & wk), 7 Ravindra Jadeja, 8 R Ashwin/Rahul Sharma, 9 Praveen Kumar, 10 Vinay Kumar, 11 Varun Aaron

After the Mohali ODI, the Indian Express carried a headline that read 'Bell makes some noise, but will the door open?' Even more absurd than that title is the fact that the door has stayed shut on Ian Bell, perhaps England's most naturally talented stroke-maker. Andy Flower said there would be changes in Mumbai, and surely Bell will find a place. Jonny Bairstow may be the man to make way after Samit Patel did well as a lower-order hitter in Mohali.

Graham Onions has joined the England squad as a replacement for the injured Chris Woakes, and either he or the uncapped Stuart Meaker could replace Jade Dernbach, who has gone at 6.54 through the series and looked frustrated on the field. Scott Borthwick, the 21-year-old legspinner who took five wickets in a practice match against a Hyderabad XI, may be given a game.

England (probable): 1 Alastair Cook (capt), 2 Craig Kieswetter (wk), 3 Jonathan Trott, 4 Kevin Pietersen, 5 Ian Bell, 6 Ravi Bopara, 7 Samit Patel, 8 Tim Bresnan, 9 Graeme Swann, 10 Steven Finn, 11 Stuart Meaker

Stats and trivia

  • In Mohali, India scored 300 for the 65th time in ODIs, going past Australia's 64 to be the side with the most number of totals of 300 or more. This, after India were the last of the major teams to go past 300 in an ODI.
  • Virat Kohli has gone past 1000 one-day runs for 2011 in this series. Last year, he managed 995 runs.
  • India have won nine of the last 10 matches they have chased in.


"I have been a ball boy twice - during an India-Australia match and a game against South Africa. Both times I was near the dressing room and I was always excited to see the Indian players. I always wanted to be in there one day, and now I will do that."
Local lad Ajinkya Rahane has a unique association with the Wankhede Stadium

"As far as talent is concerned, they are very good. But they need to stick together - that's one thing that's very important, especially when the team doesn't get the desired result."
MS Dhoni has some advice for England

"Yes, there is a difference between passion and poor conduct and, on almost all occasions, I think our guys are excellent at finding that balance."
Andy Flower, the England team director, believes his team's on-field behaviour has not been out of line

Dustin Silgardo is a sub-editor at ESPNcricinfo

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Posted by prod75 on (October 23, 2011, 11:22 GMT)

lol ..I do feel bad for brit least we knew this summer that u guys will show up here to get trashed..poor brit fans don't even have that luxury :p

Posted by jasonpete on (October 23, 2011, 10:16 GMT)

@5wombats,India did won series in England 2007 and in yr 2002,but last England won in India is way back 1984.This seriously need some thinking,I think current England team is way better compared to previous England team.I thought they will win atleast this time,but it's the same old story.disappointed seriously as an England fan.

Posted by   on (October 23, 2011, 8:39 GMT)

Indian are the world champions and they have shown it in this series.

Posted by 5wombats on (October 23, 2011, 8:32 GMT)

@Gupta.Ankur; I think one of the reasons india did badly when they played in England is that they lack self-belief......they have a negitive and resigned attitude when they play here.......

Posted by Herath-UK on (October 23, 2011, 7:52 GMT)

England always struggle in India and Sri Lanka because their bowlers, lethal in English conditions, are not so effective in the subcontinent pitches.Loss of Morgan has made a severe dent in English batting but in any case India should cruise to a comfortable win. Ranil Herath - Kent

Posted by   on (October 23, 2011, 7:32 GMT)

it seems cricket is pitch oriented spacialy for these two teams England and India.. England done extremely well at their home, now india perform terrifically.. so its very clear now ICC should take notice of these last two series and need to focus what stander they should adopt in order to prepare pitches for subcontinent and for other cricket nations,but stander should be same. these indian batsman(Raina etc) were unable to play short pitch balls in England and now same indian batsman smashing every short pitch out of park.. series like this been deteriorating cricket lover's interest,where result is exactly according to exception. weather factor of england and india dosnt matter alot as much pitch condition matter.. if same indian team have to play 4th ODI in england defiantly thy have to face defeat.. Soo ICC should prepare truning track(spinners) or fast track or mix one but it should be same every where....

Posted by   on (October 23, 2011, 7:19 GMT)

isit england? or isit the slow pitches? because at home they were outstanding

Posted by kolusu on (October 23, 2011, 6:59 GMT)

i think England teams knows that, how India is no:1....England give tight fight if bell played today...other wise will see school game between ENG VS IND

Posted by bondsehwbond on (October 23, 2011, 6:46 GMT)

Good News is that "VARUN AARON" is playing today... The WAIT if finally over... Lets all wish him to prove himself today!!!!

Parthiv Patel can Play in the Indian team as a replacement WK in case Dhoni is Injured... Not as a Specialist batsman... !! Ask any bowler if he would prefer to bowl to Parthiv patel or Robin Uthappa, The bowler gleefully would accept Parthiv's presence at the crease... He is not THREATENING....:)

Posted by   on (October 23, 2011, 6:36 GMT)

Dhoni is not including Varun Aaron most likely because of his sore hand.There is not other reason for that. If it is an indicator of Munaf and R.P. Singh cutting down their pace, then it is really unfortunate for Indian Cricket.If Dhoni wants, he can play in Indian team as a pure batsman. Accept it or not, pace is always a potent weapon. It is up to the bowler, how they use it. Who knows, Varun performs as good as hype was created aound him.Even if he performs fifty percent of the expectations, that will be a positive sign for Indian Cricket.

Posted by satish619chandar on (October 23, 2011, 6:33 GMT)

I guess there is no need to change the Indina team.. Aaron can be the straight replacement for Yadav.. May be, we can rest Gambhir for last game as he is nearing a milestone in his personal life and can be a bit relaxed and fresh for the occasion.. Bowlers dont need rest i guess.. All are new.. PK is needed as he is the only one with some matches under his belt.. Ashwin is still finding his feat in inernationals and doesnt require any rest.. Rahul Sharma was good in IPL only and he can wait a bit to get into the highest level.. Let he enjoy the coaching and the work ethics of the senior players and get himself ready for it..

Posted by   on (October 23, 2011, 6:30 GMT)

After suffering three consecutive defeats at the hands of belligerent India, the English team must do well by reorganising, reenergising and regrouping to make a good comeback as this team has got the potential to do so. All the best to England team.

Posted by Kit_Silver on (October 23, 2011, 6:28 GMT)

Someone tell me why England can't find a couple of good opening batsmen for this format. We play enough limited overs cricket yet other than Trescothick we haven't produced anything since the end of Gooch and Stewart opened. Sort this out and there are plenty of middle order batsmen of good enough quality to make us a good side with a chance of winning the next world cup. As far as picking a bunch of new lads to go to India is concerned, if we do win the next world cup it will be justified. In the meantime, it would be nice to become best ODI side too. Losing 5-0 to India even in India doesn't look good and smacks of arrogance.

Posted by SanjivAwesome on (October 23, 2011, 6:26 GMT)

Unless England can come up with somthing special, India are going in as favourites. I support India and would like England to put up a decent cricket fight so the fans here can enjoy the cricket. And I hope there will be no need for needless verbals.

Posted by Gupta.Ankur on (October 23, 2011, 6:20 GMT)

I think one of the reasons England do badly in India is that they lack self-belief......they have a negitive and resigned attitude when they play here.......

Posted by   on (October 23, 2011, 4:55 GMT)

indian are winning becoz they playing at home they are never a great side when they play outside i hope england turn it on in fourth game and kp also need some fire wolds

Posted by simon_w on (October 23, 2011, 4:44 GMT)

@hvijay.1985 -- you didn't see the Ashes in 2005, then? Regarded by many as one of the finest series ever...

Posted by abhilash.medhi on (October 23, 2011, 4:33 GMT)

@5wombats - The crowing is mindless when India wins and the excuses too many when they lose. You must really be out of work to find this interesting, or you won't be spending so much time here. I am too. I find myself spending quite some time reading comments on The Daily Mail's cricket page. It is just perfect for an early morning adrenaline rush.

Posted by noID on (October 23, 2011, 4:11 GMT)

Unlike some of the English fans, who wouldn't accept India's Supremacy in ODIs, I would accept that the fact that England were very well prepared and deservedly far better than India in the tests played in England. But definitely, this Indian team is better than the English one when it comes to ODI. I know English fans wouldn't accept it. The fact that India is a better ODI side wouldn't change regardless of English fan's opinions. So my fellow Indians, let's ignore the silly face-off and look for today's match. Go INDIA! :)

Posted by   on (October 23, 2011, 3:37 GMT)

all yours comments are right but the way a world cup winner lost that thing did not happen in history of cricket it mean that you become winner of that cup just by chance not by your players force ,

if you remember India has changed each match squad in England but look to English team they are going with same team even thought there key player borad , anderson are not playing along side ihen bell and piror so you see there team is still playing well but look to India team in England each match was new squad and new player but all went fail any how best of luck for cricket i am only supporter of cricket ....

Posted by satanswish on (October 23, 2011, 3:28 GMT)

Pommies are on backfoot & losing. Aussies Rule!

Posted by nikkam on (October 23, 2011, 2:59 GMT)

compared to previous visit by england where they were thrashed 5-0, this team atleast puts up a semblace of a fight....anyway in terms of talent, the team has to go a fair distance as none of the players have the allround game to be a powerful force in the ODIs..the case of trott is an example...this is masked to certain extent in their home conditions....imagine the pasting anderson and broad would have got here...for the next two matches india can try different bowling options like rahul sharma and aaron... but india cannot take too much even if it wins 5-0 as englands performance has been below standard...the true picture will emerge in the australia your...anyway if the subsequent WI series is also won then the team will be high on confidence....

Posted by r.satishkumar on (October 23, 2011, 2:24 GMT)

india is far better side than england.see the past record india won the series in srilamka ,aussie, newzealan,westindiesetc.and now englan one seies against india and you guys talking too much

Posted by   on (October 23, 2011, 2:24 GMT)

In the test rankings, England have 125 points whereas India have 117. England are to play Pakistan in UAE and Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka soon. It's not as easy to stay no.1 as it is to get there because you will lose points for even draws and beating sides ranked much lower will not boost your rating by much whereas drawing or losing to them will reduce your rating significantly. The Sri Lanka tour in particular will be hard for England from a ranking point of view, unless they win every match in it which is unlikely. India on the other hand will not tour anywhere outside the subcontinent for the next 2 years after the Australian tour from December-February this year.

Posted by   on (October 23, 2011, 2:13 GMT)

England have not won a series of any kind in India since 1984-85 whereas India won a test series in England in 2007 and an ODI triseries in 2002. In fact the last time England toured India they lost in all formats too and were whitewashed in ODI's. India have done better in England than England have done in India, in modern times. Well of course they've only beaten England in ODI's this time because no tests have been played in India in this tour. Next year England will come to play a test series here, let's see what happens. England have only been no.1 for 2 months whereas India were no.1 for 20 months, so to say India are only strong at home is silly.

Posted by hvijay.1985 on (October 23, 2011, 2:05 GMT)

Oh Mr. Rupert147, which was the only team in the world to win test matches in Australia against Australia when they were in their pomp from 2000-2007? India. It is all very well to defeat Australia after their Gilchrist, Warne, McGrath, Hayden etc. retired, that does not prove anything. Anyway, there is no use to this bickering, let cricket play itself out. Our views don't matter.

Posted by Kru.1245 on (October 23, 2011, 1:54 GMT)

@JG2704, when India were #1 everyone doubted that they were real, as they hadn't won outside of India. Same goes for England, sorry buddy they couldn't even win a series in west indies, don't be a hypocrite. I know success for any England team in Cricket, Rugby, Football is rare, so enjoy it for the short time it lasts. :)

Posted by svenkat02 on (October 23, 2011, 1:44 GMT)

India should play Aaron for Yadav, and Manoj Tiwary for Parthiv Patel. For the last game, they can try out Rahul Sharma for Ashwin and Aravind for either Vinay or Praveen. Time to give these guys some games.

Posted by Jaga2011 on (October 23, 2011, 0:52 GMT)

Glad to see the English team brought back to see reality after all the hyberbole post the trot of wins in england. Will they be just a one-hit wonder? - that might well be the case in the ODI format. Time will tell!

Posted by JG2704 on (October 23, 2011, 0:09 GMT)

@SnowSnake - certainly one of the more sensible posts from our Indian counterparts , however I will put this to you. England are NOT a good one day side. Sure , on our day we can challenge anyone as we did India (draw) and SA (win) in the world cup and lost to Ireland and Bangladesh in the same competition. England beat Australia 3-1 in Australia in the last test series there and then go and lose 6-1 in the one dayers and then have a very indifferent world cup. I'm guessing then that many (including our own) were doubting England for their summer series's vs Sri Lanka and then nr 1 side India. We did well to even win a test vs Sri Lanka given the bad weather and then the India series where even the most avid England fan could not have foreseen that scoreline. What I am saying is not to read anything into what England do in the OD game in comparing it to test performances

Posted by JG2704 on (October 22, 2011, 23:57 GMT)

@Deepfreezed - According to the ICC it is clear that England are number 1 in test matches. I'm sorry for you that you can't let go.

Posted by johnathonjosephs on (October 22, 2011, 23:36 GMT)

@kritika prasad. That makes sehwag 36 by the time WC 2015 comes along and Yuvraj 34. Judging by the way those two are getting injured a lot, I doubt they will last that long (who knows, maybe Yuvraj might be able to.. that lad looks really young still). Harbhajan is an offspinner and rarely gets injured, so one would think he would be in the squad, but at the time, he is losing his place to Ashwin, so what makes you think in 4 years he will be playing next WC. Tendulkar is preserving himself only for Tests, but that is making him more injured. I feel after he gets that elusive 100th ton, he will retire, but who knows? Definitely won't make it to 2015. Dravid and Laxman's end is near. I can see Laxman retiring in Aus and Dravid sometime next year.

Posted by   on (October 22, 2011, 22:46 GMT)

india didnt play well in england because of injuries to key players all the time during series india has always played better cricket in england and as far as england is concerned they have lost to india every time they visted india.. stop commenting about india's overseas records in australia.. last time they went to aus and won common wealth game 2-0.....after eliminating srilanka.... this time around they will do the same thing surely.... cheers for team india wooooooooooooooooo

Posted by 5wombats on (October 22, 2011, 22:38 GMT)

@Kritika Prasad; india has just been pasted 8-0 in all formats away from home. Now that all their "legends" have retired - indias future is such that you will need a torch to see it. I suspect you know this.

Posted by kriskini on (October 22, 2011, 22:09 GMT)

Any team that cannot play well in subcontitnent is not Good. This continent has 4 test playing countries out of a total of 10. There may not be cricket in Pakistan now but there will be in future. This England team let the associate team(Ireland) to have a record chase in world cup history. They lost to Bangladesh in wolrd cup match played in Bangladesh. IN the world cup quaterfinal against Srilanka played in srilanka England lost them by 10 wickets. Sri Lanka chased more than 200 without lossing a wicket.

Posted by BigDataIsAHoax on (October 22, 2011, 21:57 GMT)

@landl47: England has been #1 for like what 30 days?? India was #1 for 2 years. I don't see this fluke #1 rank of england lasting more than 6 months. For starters South Africa is gonna hammer you guys soon. U guys are miserable at handling quality swing bowling which even mediocre bowlers like sreesanth proved at trent-bridge. Remember you guys were 111 for 8?? It's a pity Indian bowling was pathetic apart from that one period. Don't expect the same from Steyn, Morkel and company. U fluke #1s are going down mate. No good outside england and pathetic against quality swing bowling. Ask your batsmen to take some lessons from Sachin and Dravid. lol.

Posted by Rupert147 on (October 22, 2011, 21:47 GMT)

If England are only effective on the "lawns of England" i'd expect these gung ho Indians to defeat Australia at Test cricket on the considerably more parched "lawns" of Adelaide, Melbourne and Sydney. Ok I don't expect all those wins to happen by an innings as England's were but any win will do I suppose. The fact is that the superstar Indian side featuring Tendulkar, Dravid, Sehwag and others couldn't win a series down under when they were any good and now those luminaries are dwindling, you have no hope whatsoever. England are the best Test team in the world and India have won a ODI series at home, thats the long and the short of it.

Posted by   on (October 22, 2011, 21:30 GMT)

as a srilankan fan its dissapointing to see such a banter between english and india fans....both teams I feel are very good in their own conditions, but aren't world beating sides outside of them. I expect a whitewash here, just as india were whitewashed in england.

Posted by   on (October 22, 2011, 21:04 GMT)

@landl47 Sehwag is just 32, so he will be around in 2015 WC mate. Yuvraj is just 29. He is also in. Bhajji is just 30, and a spinner. Since spinners and batsmen have a larger shelf life, they all are surely in the WC 015 squad. Worry about your England team mate. LOL.. the future isn't bright. :D

Posted by   on (October 22, 2011, 20:51 GMT)

Yayyy! Finally, a spinning track! I'm sooo happy! Now Ashwin and Jadeja can "spin" the magic of Hyderabad! :)

Posted by landl47 on (October 22, 2011, 20:23 GMT)

Strange how short Indian memories are. Srijay seems to think that England are the #1 ODI team- no, Srijay, they are the #1 test team, and India were defeated in England in a far more humiliating manner in the tests than England have been defeated in India in the ODIs. In fact, I'd call India winning in the last over in a game in which they lost more wickets than England not humiliating at all. England are getting to grips with the conditions and playing better as the series goes on, unlike India in the tests in England where India got steadily worse.@puneet_usa: the Indian test series against Australia will be interesting. England won 3 games by an innings in 2010/11, so if India is to make any claims to be a top side they must at least win the series. @Avinash Kadkol: if this is India's second string side, you'd better get used to seeing a sceond string side playing. This is basically India's side for the 2015 World Cup. Sachin, Zak, Viru, Bhaji, Yuvi- they'll all be gone by then.

Posted by CricketCrazyCheri on (October 22, 2011, 19:58 GMT)

@Haleos-the reason for that is, ashwin took care of overs during 2nd n 3rd powerplay.comon, wen did jadeja outperform ashwin in this series...stats prove smthn else.1st odi: Ashwin 8.1 ovs, 3 wkts, econ 4.28..Jadeja 7 ovs 3 wkts econ 4.85, 2nd odi: Ashwin 10 ovs, 1 wkt, econ 5.60..Jadeja 7 ovs 1 wkt econ 5.42, 3rd odi: Ashwin 10 ovs, 0 wkts, econ 4.5..Jadeja 8 ovs 1 wkt econ 5.12...ashwin bowled 28.1 ovs, took 4 wkts and conceded 136 runs at slightly better economy when compared to jadeja's 22 ovs 5 wkts and 113 runs. he myt not be a gr8 bowler at present, but he is doing a good job for the team. and i want the team unchanged for the last 2 odi's, go for the kill with the same passion and commitment.

Posted by sunny94 on (October 22, 2011, 18:56 GMT)

why england lost?they have players who have very high tendency for inconsistency.E.g.Bresnan was very good at england,but in india is just opposite.Dernbach is a complete waste (just showing off variations,nt at all good line and length),he is very expensive.Kieswetter is very good but there is lack of consistency and slow adaptabilty to the conditions.I strongly feel that Bell should be in.But,in the end ,it's INDIA who are far much better than english side

Posted by Haleos on (October 22, 2011, 18:35 GMT)

@Gopala Krishnan - what makes u thin sharma wont succeed? Ashwin has been ordinary till now. Even Jadeja has outperformed him. So stop treating him as a gr88 bowler.

Posted by   on (October 22, 2011, 18:08 GMT)

play varon arun instead of yadav,midhun instead of vinaykumar,tiwary instead of must be....gambhir,rahane,kohli,tiwary,dhoni,raina,jadeja,ashwin,praveen,midhun,aron

Posted by Deepfreezed on (October 22, 2011, 18:07 GMT)

It is clear England is out of their element when not playing on lawns they prepare as pitches in England. England is not the number 1 team in Cricket. England is just another team that thrives in their own conditions. Unlike most sub-continent players, England plays in the sub-continent all the time.

Posted by Htc-Baseball on (October 22, 2011, 18:07 GMT)

@puneet_usa very true bro, thumbsup

Posted by   on (October 22, 2011, 18:04 GMT)

Well definitely england would win this series if James Anderson was playing.It is a proposterous decision for not bringing Ian Bell and Scott Borthwick.England MUST win the last two odis to save themselves from a thrashing 5-0 defeat.India is not a tyro team especially when they are playing as hosts but england would have to blister some shots there.Mr.Consistency and a run machine Jonathan Trott would definitely give england the boost and the tremendous striker Kieswetter would tear apart india's bowling attack.All the best England for tomorrow1

Posted by   on (October 22, 2011, 17:40 GMT)

sharma for ashwin???? ,he is the only man containing in the middle overs ...

Posted by   on (October 22, 2011, 17:21 GMT)

Its great to see a club side or second string Team India beating near strength self acclaimed world's best team :-)

Posted by puneet_usa on (October 22, 2011, 17:17 GMT)

To be honest- I have to admit that I see India doing really well in upcoming tour down under- As for the English Team- Flower needs to start getting a list of doctors together because half of the team will be under severe depression after such a beating in India- Flower also needs to show a little more sense while commenting in media about defending his team's behavior- Wasn't he the first one who rushed to Indian Team's dressing room begging to bring Bell back after being declared Out and requesting to switch their appeal and decision- WHERE IS HIS SPIRIT OF CRICKET NOW? ITS GONNO BLEED BLUE IN MUMBAI REGARDLESS AND OH MY GOSH KOLKATA IS GOING TO GO CRAZY BECAUSE THEY WERE UNLUCKY NOT TO HOST INDIA'S GAME IN THE WORLD CUP- THE BUZZ OF AROUND 100,000 IN THE STADIUM WILL BE INCREDIBLY DEFNING for demotivated English team.

Posted by ravi_shankar88 on (October 22, 2011, 17:12 GMT)

We must not shuffle with new players if we want to beat england 6-0(inclu.t20). We should carry on with same team and yes aaron in place of injured yadhav and ashwin can be dropped and bring in another pacer because of dew factor, as we saw in wc final. Btw,england has a good chance here because last two games they won the toss,if they can also win tommorow and field first they can win for sure if they bring in some new faces like meaker,butler...etc.

Posted by Cpt.Meanster on (October 22, 2011, 17:06 GMT)

@Stephen Kisson: HAHAHAHAH so funny !!!! 2-3, what kind of a scoreline is that ? and you think handing a complete thrashing to England means being lucky ? you have some serious issues buddy. Get that checked first. Bring on 4-0 boys !

Posted by maddy20 on (October 22, 2011, 16:59 GMT)

@Stephen Kissoon You can surely adjust it to 1-4 after tomorrow and 0-5 after it ends. As for England it seems they have learned some lessons but sloppy fielding will not get them any way. Kieswetter's missed run-out was comical to watch. Only Kamran Akmal can do better at this kind of hilarious stuff but Kieswetter is not far behind!

Posted by   on (October 22, 2011, 16:56 GMT)

Every one say India plays well only at home so what about England now?

Posted by ashi_mag23 on (October 22, 2011, 16:36 GMT)

Sachin, Sehwag, Yuvraj & Zaheer! They all were missing in england's tour..! Still India was able to give close fight in england (although result tells different story .)...! I don't know y english people find it very tough to accept the reality..!No doubt finn, densbach & bresnan are as equal as anderson & broad..! so the hav better bench strength.. rahane, patel & yadav can never be compare wid sachin,sehwag & zaheer..! so all those english men who are saying that england is also nt palying wid full strength just shut up & accept the reality..!

Posted by ashi_mag23 on (October 22, 2011, 16:36 GMT)

Sachin, Sehwag, Yuvraj & Zaheer! They all were missing in england's tour..! Still India was able to give close fight in england (although result tells different story .)...! I don't know y english people find it very tough to accept the reality..!No doubt finn, densbach & bresnan are as equal as anderson & broad..! so the hav better bench strength.. rahane, patel & yadav can never be compare wid sachin,sehwag & zaheer..! so all those english men who are saying that england is also nt palying wid full strength just shut up & accept the reality..!

Posted by   on (October 22, 2011, 16:33 GMT)

iqbal abduulah must be in

Posted by 5wombats on (October 22, 2011, 16:08 GMT)

If india win the crowing will be as mindless as ever, if England win there will be the usual bunch of excuses from india fans. So, either way the whole thing is a bit of a waste of time really.

Posted by   on (October 22, 2011, 16:01 GMT)

Mumbai sees an unusual heat wave arrive every October.... how is it unusual if it arrives every Octobe...

Posted by Srijay on (October 22, 2011, 15:59 GMT)

India did not get defeated in England in such a humiliating manner as England is facing here in India. Those who say that as No 1 Team they should play in all surfaces should face the question themselves. If England can win in their home conditions and proclaim that they are the best so is India. And Mind you, their victories in England were not cake walk. India played with their main players injured and those who were flown in were not match fit or new to the English conditions. Two matches were decided in the last over and in the penultimate over and one was decided on the D/L method. The tie also of D/L method. Where as here the victories are big and handsome, even without some top players. English supporters will say that they are without Stuart Broad and James Anderson. The Whining will start now. Already they are targeting players, Virat and Rahane are being targetted.

Posted by   on (October 22, 2011, 15:58 GMT)

Rahul Sharma has horrible FC and List A stats... An IPL 'find'! Would be disheartening to other much better players like Iqbal Abdulla if he is picked

Posted by   on (October 22, 2011, 15:57 GMT)

@sachinforever1990 forever aswin is the only TN csk player who deserves to be in indian team y ait will be gr8 to have a dry slow turner and let eng play on a good indian pitch mohali and delhi were not pitches you except in india delhi was a suprise but mohali was expected play two spinner ashwin and sharma dont rest sharma give him full series he has waited too long and now give him full series no neeed to rest him

Posted by JG2704 on (October 22, 2011, 15:55 GMT)

As I've said before , I would rest Bresnan for this game. His bowling seems to have gone downhill. As for Dernbach , it's strange how he's gone from being England's main man with the ball to being likely axed. I think Cook has to assess how he is. Personally I'd like to see them perservere with him as maybe showing him faith will give him a lift that will help his game. I suppose if he continues to play and go for runs then it could also affect him. Feel he has been overusing the slower ball and that maybe it's become predictable. He should practice his yorkers and use the slower ball more sparingly so it IS a surprise ball. Borthwick deserves a go so my only change would be Borthwick for Bres. I just feel our slower bowlers have been generally better. Also I wonder whether English fans feel that they should do with Flower what they have done with Strauss and have someone else in looking after the shorter formats of the game. What do the English fans reckon?

Posted by   on (October 22, 2011, 15:53 GMT)

hopng india vl go vth rahul sharma ashwin n jadeja and praveen kumar n vinay kumar.....i think the pitch goin to be slow....rahul sharma is experienced in mumbai pitches since pune warrios home ground is D.Y.patil stadium........or rahul sharma shud wait till west indies come to india....varun aaron gets the chnce to prove himself.....

Posted by SachinForever1991 on (October 22, 2011, 15:40 GMT)

Rahul Sharma will do great if he gets chance but I don't think he will get chance because Ashwin is chennai guy. Varun Aaron will fail similar to Umesh Yadav

Posted by icy.icee on (October 22, 2011, 15:08 GMT)

my team for 4th match.. 1 Ajinkya Rahane, 2 Gautam Gambhir, 3 Virat Kohli, 4 manoj tiwari, 5 Suresh Raina, 6 MS Dhoni (capt & wk), 7 Ravindra Jadeja, 8 R Ashwin, 9 Praveen Kumar, 10 Rahul Sharma, 11 Varun Aaron

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas_Atheist on (October 22, 2011, 15:05 GMT)

Have they (Cook and Flower) woken up yet? Or do they need a thorough caning and a brutal mauling before they realise the importance of Ian Bell? Even if you go by the saying, "you are just as good as your last inning", recollect the last inning of Ian Bell in India against India at Bangalore. Please let him play the remaining 2 ODIs. Even if he isn't ODI 'material' you've got nothing to lose by letting him play. As though the others are doing the job for you! Shame on Cook and Flower.

Posted by   on (October 22, 2011, 14:41 GMT)

2-3 for england, its luck that won india the first 3 matches, they wont get luvky this time tho

Posted by agam99 on (October 22, 2011, 14:38 GMT)

Cmmon India...go for the kill :)

Posted by   on (October 22, 2011, 14:31 GMT)

While delighted by the performance of England in recent times, I can't help but be unimpressed by their on-field behaviour during the ongoing series in India. Giving it "big licks" is fine - but not when you are being comprehensively outperformed in the current series. Cook's captaincy has been a massive disappointment, both in terms of his ability to influence a game and his ability to to instill a good attitude in his team on the field. However I'm pleased to see some good young players being given an opportunity against quality opposition and in challenging conditions. An Indian whitewash is looking likely now sadly...

Posted by   on (October 22, 2011, 14:28 GMT)

At least India managed to Tie the ODI at The Lord's , But England look like going back without anything.They are a very Good test side outside ASIA but ODI's are out of their reach even at home , lucky to beat INDIA 3-0 at home due to rain and luck with the toss. Well these ODI's might not be meaningful to English fans but even their test team will be beaten by Sri Lanka next year so that English fans can concentrate on SOCCER and say that CRICKET is not important...LOL

Posted by   on (October 22, 2011, 14:27 GMT)

Waiting to see Varun Aaron making his debut on a slow turner!

Posted by   on (October 22, 2011, 14:18 GMT)

india will certainly whitewash the series.MSD must be rested and Aron must be given a chance to prove his mettle.

Posted by Raman.UV on (October 22, 2011, 14:14 GMT)

RVK hardly played 9 matches and feels he is senior player in the team and will guide the youngsters , makes me laugh. cos his position in the team is just because of the injuries to zaheer nehra ishant and munaf. he is just an average bowler. may be he is good in ranji's but in internation he is just an average who does not have any thing to be special. anyway i feel umesh should be good for future aspect cos he has good pace and bounce. hope he maintains his fitness level and pace in future too. and seriously india should be with there prime bowlers like zak nehra PK ishant RP along with umesh.

Posted by landl47 on (October 22, 2011, 14:05 GMT)

It would be nice to see England play 3 spinners in this game. Borthwick might be well suited to the conditions and he's a good bat as well. I'd rather see Bell come in for Kieswetter and have Bairstow keep wicket- Kies had a bad game in Hyderabad and hasn't batted well in the series.

Posted by sweetspot on (October 22, 2011, 14:04 GMT)

Hot, humid and spinning, dry wicket. Delicious! Play 3 main spinners, I'd say! Ashwin and Rahul Sharma together is a mouth watering prospect.

Posted by SnowSnake on (October 22, 2011, 14:03 GMT)

There is more to cricket that just the game. A country's population, alternate sports available, size of economy all matter. India is doing well on all these aspects, so I just don't see how India can be a weak team moving forward ever! It may not stay at #1 rank, but India will remain the team to beat to achieve #1 rank. England did it successfully. However, that does not mean that good times will last for ever. As long as cricket remains popular in India, other teams will be constantly challenged. It is good for cricket. As for England, well it has to start proving its #1 status. The stress of #1 status is showing up in player's frustrations in ODI games.

Posted by Nampally on (October 22, 2011, 14:01 GMT)

Inclusion of Rahul Sharma & Aaron will be a welcome sight. These guys have been warming the bench for ever, it appears. Rahul with his fast bouncy leg spinners, if selected, will debut on a slow turner.Hopefully England will be more civil & eliminate the wild & uncouth attitude + sledging so well executed by their Pace bowlers. India need to continue their dominanace with strong batting, good bowling and excellent fielding. After humiliating ODI defeats in England mainly due to rain & D/L being activated in each game, India has a chance to play with no weather or D/L factor ruling the result. Although it is a dead Rubber, England will try hard to prevent 5-0 sweep, as in their last Indian tour.So an interesting battle is ahead. The Toss winning will be a factor in the humid weather fielding. Can India make it 4-0 remains to be seen.Umpires need to be more proactive in controlling the on field behaviour.Cricket is a "gentleman's game" but recent experience seems to show otherwise.

Posted by sreekumar07 on (October 22, 2011, 13:58 GMT)

Hey Ashish,you want to win 5-0 and also want to replace almost all the bowlers at a time?let it do it in a balanced way.

Posted by   on (October 22, 2011, 13:28 GMT)

go india go... india will win series 5-0 and whitewash to england cricket team and pls MR.MSD given chance like varun aaron,s arvinda in place of praveen and vinay and rahul sharma in place of r ashwin

Posted by   on (October 22, 2011, 13:00 GMT)

India will be looking for a series sweep to redeem their status as the World Champs after the humiliating defeat at the hands of the English earlier this year.

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