India v England, 5th ODI, Kolkata October 24, 2011

India hunt series whitewash

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Match facts

October 25, Kolkata
Start time 14.30 (0900 GMT)

Big Picture

England have a final chance to avoid a whitewash but the omens don't look good. India have overpowered them in all areas, relishing home conditions again after a difficult few months overseas. After the problems they faced in England this series has shown that India's 50-over game is in pretty reasonable health and it has given Duncan Fletcher another chance to look at a number of young players.

He'll have been impressed by what he has seen, too. R Ashwin has caused England no end of problems, Varun Aaron made an exciting debut, Ravindra Jadeja is a talented allrounder and Ajinkya Rahane has been a solid presence. Meanwhile, MS Dhoni has led his stand superbly - out-captaining Alastair Cook by a street - and continues to defy his enormous workload.

For England it's a less rosy picture. The batting, apart from once in Mohali, has failed to adapt to conditions and having started the tour on a crest of a wave this has been a sudden jolt back down to earth. The management won't panic, they are wiser than that, but the last two weeks has gone to reinforce that some of England's one-day game is still lagging behind.

Form guide

India WWWWL (completed games, most recent first)
England LLLLW

In the spotlight

After a year where almost everything has gone right for Alastair Cook he's again a man under pressure. Not that his place is under threat but he has come in for some criticism on this short tour, both for his own tactics and the behaviour of his team. After making a promising 60 in the opening game the runs haven't flowed, either, which has meant England have struggled for solid starts, but it doesn't yet count as a slump. Cook isn't part of the Twenty20 side so this will be his final England outing until January and he'll be desperate to leave with something positive.

The crowds for this series have been disappointing with vast numbers of empty seats in traditional hot-beds such as Mumbai. Even in India, where one-day cricket is king, the signs are emerging of overkill. This is Eden Gardens' biggest match since early 2010 - they staged World Cup fixtures but their marquee game between these two teams was moved to Bangalore - and history shows that a full house here is one of cricket's most compelling sights. That, though, appears an unlikely prospect.

Team news

There aren't many parts of India's game that haven't gone to plan, but Parthiv Patel hasn't had a productive series opening the batting and it could be a chance to give Manoj Tiwary an outing. Elsewhere, it would only be a question of whether anyone needs a rest.

India (possible): 1 Gautam Gambhir, 2 Ajinkya Rahane, 3 Virat Kohli, 4 Suresh Raina, 5 Manoj Tiwary, 6 MS Dhoni (capt & wk), 7 Ravindra Jadeja, 8 R Ashwin, 9 Praveen Kumar, 10 Vinay Kumar, 11 Varun Aaron

England shook up the bowling attack in Mumbai but it was the batting that let them down again. Ian Bell remains sat on the sidelines and must be wondering what he has to do to get a game. Ravi Bopara and Jonny Bairstow have both struggled in the series so Bell could replace either of them, or Craig Kieswetter if Bairstow was given the gloves. After a game off, Graeme Swann may replace Scott Borthwick before leading the T20 side at the weekend.

England (possible): 1 Alastair Cook (capt), 2 Craig Kieswetter (wk), 3 Jonathan Trott, 4 Kevin Pietersen, 5 Ian Bell, 6 Ravi Bopara, 7 Samit Patel, 8 Tim Bresnan, 9 Graeme Swann, 10 Stuart Meaker, 11 Steven Finn.

Pitch and conditions

Warm and sunny during the day, although perhaps not as hot as Mumbai, while dew hasn't been the major factor that it might have been during the series. For IPL matches the surface has tended to be slow and low. India would be quite happy with more of the same.

Stats and trivia

  • This is England's first game in Kolkata since 2002 when India won by 22 runs despite Marcus Trescothick's 121

  • England have only suffered two 5-0 series scorelines in ODIs; against Sri Lanka in 2006 and India in 2008

Quotes

"There is always that balance, as we know, and part of our responsibility as a side is to get that. Sometimes on this tour, we might not have always got that balance - but I didn't see too much wrong this time."
Alastair Cook defends England's manner in the field

"We wanted to win 5-0 in England, but we couldn't. It's not always just what you want - you have to play well. We'll try to win it 5-0. But the main motivation is just to go out there and play good cricket."
MS Dhoni isn't getting to wrapped up in the scoreline

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  • 5wombats on October 26, 2011, 8:08 GMT

    @Anand Singh - india's recent record breaking tour of England suggests that it is india that you are referring to so gracefully.

  • on October 26, 2011, 2:33 GMT

    And thats how to reply in cricket,well done team India

  • 5wombats on October 25, 2011, 17:18 GMT

    @jasonpete - you too are factually incorrect. In 2004/5 England beat South Africa in South Africa in the Test series 2-1. It would have been 3-1 but there was some nonsense about "bad light". I believe that 2004/5 falls within your "10 year" window. You see, we England fans don't go on and on about what happened in 1987, 1998, 2003, 2007, etc. We know our history and we can remember things quite well. Such a pity that other people can't even remember what happened 2 months ago, that's if they even noticed it at all. You say "India and England don't perform well outside their home conditions" - I wonder then how you would describe England beating Australia in Tests in Australia 3-1 in 2010/11? If that is not performing well outside of England then what is? Prey tell.

  • on October 25, 2011, 16:35 GMT

    India rocks and now tell who are real donkeys.....

  • on October 25, 2011, 16:14 GMT

    Team INDIA just rocking at the moment ./............................no doubt about that ...

  • mathewjohn2176 on October 25, 2011, 14:52 GMT

    5wombat,when did England beat SA? They just drew the series,which India did as well. And don't forget England need to beat India in India which they didn't do for last 20 years.so one series win in aus,doesn't make a team good travelers.same goes to India .so when you keep on insist about India poor record,everyone knows about England poor record also,by denying you can't justify it.@ Jsonpete,I agree fully whatever you said.publish cricinfo,

  • jasonpete on October 25, 2011, 14:43 GMT

    @5wombats and mathewjohn,as a neutral,India never won in aus or SA and England never won in SA or India.so both the team can't claim to be no.1 until they win in those countries.i am talking about the last 10 years record.But SA won in England,aus and India as well.They deserved the no.1 ranking after the dominating Australia. India and England don't perform well outside their home conditions.

  • 5wombats on October 25, 2011, 13:20 GMT

    OMG! @mathewjohn2176; india were NOT the better side 2 months back. The better side would win the ODI series in England. INDIA lost the series in England 3-0. No use crying about that, injuries, B team etc. india LOST. You are FACTUALLY INCORRECT when you state that "England are poor travellers" - how then did England beat South Africa in the ODI series in South Africa? How? Explain it without reference to luck or any other rubbish. Now, when india play South Africa in ODI they lose the series 3-2 - and yet, according to you "England are poor travellers". No - it's india that are the poor travellers. For india to "prove themselves number 1" in Tests they have to prove it by beating Australia in Australia - they haven't done it. By beating South Africa in South Africa, they haven't done it. By beating England in England, they haven't done it. india have done NONE of these things, England have, and yet you still claim "England poor traveller" and that india still number one. Incredible.

  • Crictotter on October 25, 2011, 13:18 GMT

    We've got to look at thee bigger picture but how big should be the bigger picture. Comparing Sachin Tendulkar and Don Bradman, Comparing WI 1970's side and the OZI 2000's side or the current Indian side..... The fun of actual cricket is lost looking at the statistics... I guess we have a series and 1 team nominated as a series winner each series just to say who has been better.... My opinion is that its good to restrict the bigger picture at this level and enjoy cricket.... Even the mighty WI or the OZ teams werent able to sustain form over a decade... They've just made cricket more interesting and lets sit back and enjoy it and also try playing it once in a while....

  • on October 25, 2011, 13:14 GMT

    India can only win in India. It won in WC just because of home advantage. Australia, SA and England are far better than India.

  • 5wombats on October 26, 2011, 8:08 GMT

    @Anand Singh - india's recent record breaking tour of England suggests that it is india that you are referring to so gracefully.

  • on October 26, 2011, 2:33 GMT

    And thats how to reply in cricket,well done team India

  • 5wombats on October 25, 2011, 17:18 GMT

    @jasonpete - you too are factually incorrect. In 2004/5 England beat South Africa in South Africa in the Test series 2-1. It would have been 3-1 but there was some nonsense about "bad light". I believe that 2004/5 falls within your "10 year" window. You see, we England fans don't go on and on about what happened in 1987, 1998, 2003, 2007, etc. We know our history and we can remember things quite well. Such a pity that other people can't even remember what happened 2 months ago, that's if they even noticed it at all. You say "India and England don't perform well outside their home conditions" - I wonder then how you would describe England beating Australia in Tests in Australia 3-1 in 2010/11? If that is not performing well outside of England then what is? Prey tell.

  • on October 25, 2011, 16:35 GMT

    India rocks and now tell who are real donkeys.....

  • on October 25, 2011, 16:14 GMT

    Team INDIA just rocking at the moment ./............................no doubt about that ...

  • mathewjohn2176 on October 25, 2011, 14:52 GMT

    5wombat,when did England beat SA? They just drew the series,which India did as well. And don't forget England need to beat India in India which they didn't do for last 20 years.so one series win in aus,doesn't make a team good travelers.same goes to India .so when you keep on insist about India poor record,everyone knows about England poor record also,by denying you can't justify it.@ Jsonpete,I agree fully whatever you said.publish cricinfo,

  • jasonpete on October 25, 2011, 14:43 GMT

    @5wombats and mathewjohn,as a neutral,India never won in aus or SA and England never won in SA or India.so both the team can't claim to be no.1 until they win in those countries.i am talking about the last 10 years record.But SA won in England,aus and India as well.They deserved the no.1 ranking after the dominating Australia. India and England don't perform well outside their home conditions.

  • 5wombats on October 25, 2011, 13:20 GMT

    OMG! @mathewjohn2176; india were NOT the better side 2 months back. The better side would win the ODI series in England. INDIA lost the series in England 3-0. No use crying about that, injuries, B team etc. india LOST. You are FACTUALLY INCORRECT when you state that "England are poor travellers" - how then did England beat South Africa in the ODI series in South Africa? How? Explain it without reference to luck or any other rubbish. Now, when india play South Africa in ODI they lose the series 3-2 - and yet, according to you "England are poor travellers". No - it's india that are the poor travellers. For india to "prove themselves number 1" in Tests they have to prove it by beating Australia in Australia - they haven't done it. By beating South Africa in South Africa, they haven't done it. By beating England in England, they haven't done it. india have done NONE of these things, England have, and yet you still claim "England poor traveller" and that india still number one. Incredible.

  • Crictotter on October 25, 2011, 13:18 GMT

    We've got to look at thee bigger picture but how big should be the bigger picture. Comparing Sachin Tendulkar and Don Bradman, Comparing WI 1970's side and the OZI 2000's side or the current Indian side..... The fun of actual cricket is lost looking at the statistics... I guess we have a series and 1 team nominated as a series winner each series just to say who has been better.... My opinion is that its good to restrict the bigger picture at this level and enjoy cricket.... Even the mighty WI or the OZ teams werent able to sustain form over a decade... They've just made cricket more interesting and lets sit back and enjoy it and also try playing it once in a while....

  • on October 25, 2011, 13:14 GMT

    India can only win in India. It won in WC just because of home advantage. Australia, SA and England are far better than India.

  • mathewjohn2176 on October 25, 2011, 12:02 GMT

    Let see what happens to England when they get off a plane in top cricketing countries like south Africa ,India ,srilanka .Disappointment inevitably awaits.publish cricinfo.No country deserved no 1 ranking after aus downfall.

  • 5wombats on October 25, 2011, 10:40 GMT

    @Valavan - mate, you will never win with people like @mathewjohn2176; the impact of what happened to india in England in 2011 is something they can't comprehend. A lot of india fans want to believe that it was some kind of accident that England beat Australia 3-1 in the Ashes in Australia, some kind of accident that England drew the Test series in South Africa 1-1, some kind of accident that England whitewashed india 4-0 (india were "tired", india had injuries, pitches had "bounce", etc, etc). india have never won a Test series in either Australia or South Africa, and not recently against England either (LOL) - and yet they want to go on believing that they are "still number one" - it was unfair, it was a fluke, they were "unlucky", England were "lucky", etc, etc. Let them go on believing it - despite all the facts. Let us see what happens to india every time they get off a plane in a top cricketing country like Australia or England. Disappointment inevitably awaits.... please publish.

  • mathewjohn2176 on October 25, 2011, 10:39 GMT

    @5wombat,England are better side currently,the same goes to India who were better side two months back.If you talk about winning outside,then England have to win outside England leaving aside ashes win.To prove them no.1 they have to win against SA and India as well which they didnt do till now.when you ask India to proves it worth ,the same goes for England.so all in all England and India only win in home and they are poor travelers ,where as aus won everywhere when we're no.1.so until England don't win outside ,the same you talk about India ranking applies to England also.no one test team is currently better when we compare the dominating Australia.

  • 5wombats on October 25, 2011, 9:34 GMT

    @chokkashokka - that's your opinion. Here are some FACTS - india lost 4-0 in the Test series in England. india have NEVER won a Test series in either Australia or South Africa. To be honest - I don't know how many times this has to be explained, but here we go again - india were BEATEN BY THE BETTER SIDE in England. india were NOT the better side and did NOT play well enough - they were beaten - twice crushed by an Innings. They never win series in SA or Aus - they cannot win against top sides away from india. Excuses won't change it. History of 2007 won't change it. England are the number one Test side, not india - who did not play well enough. india do NOT deserve to be number one in Tests. Only when india can beat Australia in Australia, as England did 9 months ago, and only when india can beat England in England - which they had the chance to do 3 months ago. Only then can india have any claim to be number one in Tests. They were BEATEN = stop making excuses and get over it.

  • mathewjohn2176 on October 25, 2011, 9:10 GMT

    @ valavan,hahaha,I support aus team,but I know you hate Indian team.whoever do well against you do the same thing,which I learnt from some of your old comments.But why England can't win single odi world cup even though they kept 4 times in England? Oh they won't win anywhere even if it's held in any part of the world.thats the truth.cricinfo please publish

  • prakash_mishra on October 25, 2011, 9:01 GMT

    Indians had their share of humiliation in England but then let that be an eye opener for the management. Flying R.P.Singh in place of Zaheer when Team India has bowlers like Aaron and Yadav in stock seems ridiculous to me. I really hope Sachin is fit to play in Australia but let him play couple of matches against Windies so that he regains his touch before the tough tour down under. Sehwag says he is fine which is yet to see, Include Mukund in the Squad though.Gambhir,Dravid and Laxman should be other regular but Kohli should be in side before others. One Series cannot determine whether he is good for longer formats or not.Raina and Yuvraj(provided he is fit and free...from shows hosted by oldest ladies) will have to compete for no.6.Pacers should be chosen carefully..I really hope Zaheer is back in the side, Ishant should definitely be included(hope he can deliver goods), Aaron and Yadav should be other two, though I am sure Praveen will also get a chance..Ojha,bhajji,Ashwin to spin.

  • mathewjohn2176 on October 25, 2011, 9:01 GMT

    @ valavan,everyone know why you all were hating Indian team when they were ranked no.1 and won the odi world cup.for your knowledge India won first world cup in England,if you don't know the stats don't write your own stuff.India did won in England,but no aus and SA,but when did England won in India or SA other than the last win in aus? You can only be selective in your comments when you do support your England team,what more can I expect after all .please cricinfo post this comment

  • ashankar on October 25, 2011, 8:50 GMT

    @truebleue_cricfan. I seriously doubt you claims about his 'issues' with swing and pace:)

  • jmcilhinney on October 25, 2011, 8:48 GMT

    It will be interesting to see if Bell can have an impact after all the talk about him. Pietersen could be a loss, although he's only played one really good innings. That's one more than some others though. I still think that Bell should be opening, but maybe this isn't the game to try that for the first time. Hopefully England can restrict India to a reasonable target. I'd love to see less than 250 but, realistically, anything below 280 will be an achievement. Fielding will be key, saving runs everywhere possible and taking every chance. Anything over 280 and I see England falling in a heap again, much as it pains me to say it.

  • on October 25, 2011, 8:34 GMT

    Every one are talking about disappointing crowd.....but no one is talking about exemplary increase in cost of the ticket........What used to cost a family's ticket is cost for an individual....Indians love their cricket but not at this cost

  • on October 25, 2011, 8:28 GMT

    Today's 11- Gambhir, Rahane, Kohli, Raina, Tiwari, Dhoni ,Jadeja, Sharma, Arvind, Aron, and 1.Kumar

  • on October 25, 2011, 8:27 GMT

    Would love to see some changes. Might prove to be a breath of fresh air. Bairstow opens and keeps wickets. Kieswetter sits out. His confidence doesnt seem to be good. Buttler comes in at 6. And Swann and Borthwick both play. Bresnan is good enough to bat at 7.

  • A_Yorkshire_Lad on October 25, 2011, 8:18 GMT

    @mathewjohn2176 " can England play cricket ????? " well , why don't you ask the 2010/11 Australian Ashes test squad ? Or the Indian team that toured England this summer , for that matter.

  • hraghava on October 25, 2011, 7:54 GMT

    Bowlers for 2011-12 in Oz - Ishant, Aaron (subject fitness & more muscle), Abu Nechim (routinely does 140-145+), and Zaheer (subject fitness & 10 kg off his frame), possibly one more; with Harbhajan, Ashwin, and possibly Rahul Sharma. All bowlers ex. Harbhajan would be 21-25. Batsmen - Sehwag, Gambhir, Dravid, Tendulkar, Laxman, Dhoni + Kohli, Pujara, Raina, and possibly Rahane. Before flaming me about the well documented & evident short ball challenges - let's be clear the only way these youngsters will deal with it would be to face up to it - stumble, but learn! Will the BCCI prepare fast, hard and bouncy wickets for the home series against the Windies? Will the Windies play Roach, Edwards, Rampaul and Russell in their XI? Despite all this: predict 2-1/3-1 to Australia down-under, India scrapes the ODIs, and are ready for PAK (if that happens), SL, ENG and AUS from Feb 12 to Mar 13. This side is capable of winning all those series. BTW - ENG is currently a better test side! Peace :-)

  • anver777 on October 25, 2011, 7:47 GMT

    Can Eng deny India's dream of 5/0 whitewash ?? Eng should bring in Bell for this game & steady the batting lineup..... surely they need to make a big score to challenge Ind to avoid the 2nd whitewash !!!!

  • on October 25, 2011, 7:45 GMT

    it's good to see dat young bowlers like Varun Aaron & Umesh Yadav having done well in the series.....i think it's da ryt tym to pick Abu Nechim Ahmed for the next west indies tour and see what he can do...

  • I_Love_Cricket_7 on October 25, 2011, 7:29 GMT

    INDIA Failed in ENGLAND:

    1. India had no genuine pacer who could bowl consistently on 145-150. There were predictable by England batsman pretty easily due to lack of pace. 2. A real bats man can adopt weather/conditions at any part of the world within a given time frame. It depends upon the fitness level & god given EYE. 3. We respect Dravid in Test matches. In this generation, you need to be so fast in between wickets/feild. With the same strike even a 8/9th down batsman can score a fifty. 4. Home team has the advantage of making the pitches that suits their attacks. 5. There are better bowlers in IND than RP, Amit.

    Excuses 1. Inexperienced young side, lot of injury, fatigue. 2. weather, D/L rule, Toss. (I don't deny. this can be considered to some extend only).

    That IND team still was a better ODI side than Eng in a neutral condition.

    The below combination (with batting orders) is better than Eng in any part of the world Viru,SRT,Gauti,Virat,Raina,Dhoni,Yuvi,Bhaji,Praveen,Nehra

  • truebleue_cricfan on October 25, 2011, 7:24 GMT

    5-0 will be a satisfying outcome, but by no means redemptive. Its not a revenge for going down 4-0 in tests. The fact remains that India were outclassed in tests. The batting flopped and the bowlng was honest but lacked skill to a certain extent. I never refrain from taking a dig at Tendulkar whenever I can, so here goes...his flop show in England was the most disappointing aspect of our batting for me. For someone hailed as the best player in the world, his scratchy batting was an embarassment to be honest. Even his couple of fifties were marked by poor shot selection and the way he got out suggested he had trouble reading the line and length of the swinging ball.

    Anyway, coming back to the current series, I am looking forward to a 5-0 whitewash. Good performances from Rahane and Aaron, both of whom I believe to be the future of Indian cricket will be the icing on the cake.

  • chokkashokka on October 25, 2011, 7:22 GMT

    its not just the English one day game that is "lagging" behind. If England were to play 5 test matches in India, they would be wiped out 5-0 - even against this India C side. Yes - this is an India C side - 6 -8 to the players who were a part of the world cup campaign are not playing due to injuries. And this India C side is running circles around the English team - imagine what they would do in the heat over a period of 5 days. I doubt if any of the Test matches would go the distance. Basically the point is that though India lost the series a couple of months ago, that does not make England a No.1 test side. India has so much talent that they can easily field 2 international teams in all formats and have a better than 500 average of wins and losses.

  • Valavan on October 25, 2011, 7:20 GMT

    @mathewjohn, good stats by the way did India win test series in Oz or SA since they started playing Tests. All can bent statistics to suit their needs. India needed ODI World CUp to be played in India in order to crown it. Simple guys, I know why you all hate England now but you liked them when they won ashes in 2005,2009. Also why you hate PONTING, the reason is Johanesburg final in 2003. You just dont like team or players who perform well against you. It cant get any cheaper than this for your views. cricinfo please publish

  • NP_NY on October 25, 2011, 7:18 GMT

    I'd like to see a close game even if India has to lose. So far, it seems India would have gotten a better fight from Bangladesh or Zimbabwe than England. And this when India is without Sehwag, Sachin, Yuvraj, Zak and Munaf.

  • 5wombats on October 25, 2011, 7:17 GMT

    AND STILL THE EXCUSES COME.... @ArjKan - you have a remarkably short memory. Tendulkar played in all 4 Tests, Yuvraj played in 2nd Test, Sehwag in 3rd & 4th Tests, Zaheer Khan played in 1st Test. As a matter of fact Trott didn't play in the 3rd or 4th Tests. Now - STOP MAKING EXCUSES - india were beaten by the better side. Excuses, history - what happened in 2007, etc, does not change what happened in England in 2011. The scoreline was 4-0 - with 2 Innings defeats - a huge reality check, and you weren't saying anything then. india cannot win Test series in Australia, South Africa and now England - it is proved beyond all doubt. History of 2007 is no longer of any help - in England in 2011 india LOST. Now man up and get over it.

  • Valavan on October 25, 2011, 7:08 GMT

    @ArjKan, your comments are hilarious, Sachin played all 4 tests back in summer, Sehwag played 2, Yuvraj haha is he a test material, take him to test series vs bangladesh or Zimbabwe, genuinelly missed Zaheer khan, Comeon Dhoni and Indian fans try to give more than a billion excuse to match their country population. BTW now only ODIs being played. About test you or me have to think of next winter. Comon Indian fans, it was just most of you talked about winning more than 2 tests in England, but ye got a good whip whop all the way down to 4th test. Many predicted sehwag will come and floor english bowling in england, what happened a king pair, 3 first over dismissal, Yuvraj was pathetic when he got hit repeatedly in gloves. Anyway Congrats India for their ODi triumph now. cricinfo please publish

  • on October 25, 2011, 7:05 GMT

    lol people are fighting over this series still? The fact is that England are a very good test team, and not a very good ODI team. India are an excellent ODI team, but lack fitness and skill to make an impact in the longer format. With the series at 4-0 already, whatever cricket that will be displayed in the next match is almost meaningless. I'd rather watch the Australia-south Africa tour because THAT tour actually is interesting at 1-1 with a game to go. with south africa seeming to have losts its rust and Australia bowling some young and promising talent, the series is perfectly poised for a big finish. Some people these days don't know what a good series of cricket is made up of any more. It HAS to be the IPL's fault though. :P

  • on October 25, 2011, 7:01 GMT

    Varun Aaron has caused a lot of excitement! He can be used as a partnership breaker as Praveen and Vinay are currently doing well. But i hope to see "Zaheer, Nehra" bowl again.

  • sravanmalle on October 25, 2011, 6:22 GMT

    Hi team,

    Its time to give Rahul Sharma a chance in the Final ODI. Varun Aaron has done a splendid job in his debut ODI in Mumbai. Results could have been different had India tried the same in England tour. India has to keep their bowling strength stronger before they head to Australia down under. Wtih Zaheer Khan still doubtful, it is going to be a real challenge for young fast bowlers when they tour Australia down under.

  • on October 25, 2011, 6:20 GMT

    I think English selectors have made a mistake by playing Alistair Cook one day cricket and has further complicated life by making him captain, Cook has served England well in Test Cricket. Please pay Alistair Cook 2 salaries but only play him test cricket that is his best game , what the selectors have done is to destroy his confidence as cricketer, I only do hope that this does not affect his form and confidence in test cricket. Test cricket is the best form of the game and Alistair Cook has demonstrated his enormous ability in this form of the game. Selectors Please save English Cricket , I want to see England remain as the number one team in Test cricket for the next 10 years so please make Kevin Peterson the one day captain. Imagine you did not take Cook to the world cup but you suddenly made him the one day captain , poor judgement.

  • on October 25, 2011, 6:14 GMT

    there is a lot of praise for ranjit.sg from my english friends which is fully understandable. But you would yourself agree Ranjit that had India prepared better and had Zaheer not been injured that early, maybe the result wouldn't have been so dubious. And i fully understand 5wombats sentiments. Even we Indians were finding so many reasons for India's sad show there in England. But then again, England have just climbed to the top, and the journey hasn't even begun. What i feel has happened is, the five people, Sachin, Sourav, Kumble, Dravid and Laxman began to wane just when the Indian wheel was running smoothly. Its now a transition phase for us. But the signs are promising.

  • on October 25, 2011, 6:10 GMT

    This is now PAYBACK time.....Wid Interest...

  • on October 25, 2011, 6:01 GMT

    @HatsforBats He is relaxed after knocking off the wicket... if ur relaxed, ur core wont be tight.. & u dont need a six pack to bowl

  • on October 25, 2011, 6:00 GMT

    @ Ashok Bhatia.. Are u out of your mind..Yuvraj was MOT in the world cup...and he is only 30..

  • on October 25, 2011, 5:24 GMT

    I read it @ Bolegaindia.com that now Indians looking for 5-0 whitewash against England.

  • on October 25, 2011, 5:24 GMT

    England feels the pinch, with no Stuart Broad in this ODI squad

  • Mahesh_AV on October 25, 2011, 5:18 GMT

    England played India-C in England. In Indian conditions, England are playing with the world's No.1 ranked spinner!!! So, lets not hark about the Indian team being bad overseas and being good at home. That ship has sailed as Indian teams have shown in recent years. "India are good at home" is now a sickening phrase that has been beaten to death and beyond. Just accept the fact that the Indian team is good, and every good team has its bad periods, like in England this year!! Wake up, and grow up!!

  • Gupta.Ankur on October 25, 2011, 5:10 GMT

    Don't think england can do any better today........they have been been poor in odi's and asian conditions for way too long....

  • maidenshazza on October 25, 2011, 5:08 GMT

    England still have the most balanced Test outfit in the world regardless of this poor showing in the ODI's. Seeing that there is no one team that has total domination in any form of the game these days, my safe bet would be on England. They proved it in Australia and at home against India.

  • nandakumarkakkat on October 25, 2011, 4:57 GMT

    There is nothing about the young talented Virat Kohli in Big Picture!

  • jmcilhinney on October 25, 2011, 4:32 GMT

    @ArjKan, your idea of what is a fact is quite laughable. You may believe that and that may be your opinion, but it is certainly not a fact. Also, what's this about India playing a test series without Tendulkar? You may have missed him because he didn't perform, but he was there. As for Sehwag, he could have been there if he had wanted to but it was more important to him and the BCCI for him to put off surgery and play the IPL. That's bad management, not bad luck. It's probably also arrogance to assume that the team would be strong enough without him. As for ZK, that was indeed bad luck, even if fitness was an issue. It did show India's reliance on one bowler though, which England don't have. Tremlett went out and Bresnan came in. Take out Anderson or Broad and bring in Finn. As for Trott, he was missing for a couple of games and England still romped home. I suggest that you check your facts and also your definition of "fact".

  • on October 25, 2011, 4:26 GMT

    India shud play the best team and make sure the white wash,.. manoj tiwari shud in. gambhir opening , tiwari down 1..

  • on October 25, 2011, 4:19 GMT

    mind u.. vv aaron's 3-24 is the second best debut bowling figures in ODI's for INDIA with NA David at top of the list..

  • ranjit.sg on October 25, 2011, 4:03 GMT

    @JG2704: Quite clearly, England are the better test team. On the other hand however, India is definitely not as bad as what the 4-0 scoreline suggests! The same applies for England in ODI's in the sub-continents. The next time India go there, the test series will be far more competitive! I'm not saying India will win, but it's not going to be the walloping we saw this summer.

  • ranjit.sg on October 25, 2011, 3:59 GMT

    @5wombats: India's victory at Perth was probably the happiest day of my life as a cricket fan(after the World Cup win of course)! So yeah, nothing can be more satisfying than an away series victory in conditions we are not expected to win in. As a true Indian cricket fan, there are two major milestones that I'd like our team to complete: Winning a test series in Australia and South Africa.

  • ArjKan on October 25, 2011, 3:37 GMT

    Guys!! We all know for fact that even the current English test side with full strength will not be able to Win Test Series in India. Eng fans would still say they can and we will be here to find it out. Now just imagine Eng playing test series witout Trott,Bell & Anderson....like India did in Eng last month without Sachin,Sehwag,Yuvi,Zak in India.

    PLEASE SUGGEST YOUR SCORE LINE for the series with conditions mentioned above. Its just a reality check guys....nothing else.....Eng are Ranked No.1 Test & T20 for god sake....

  • KAIRAVA on October 25, 2011, 3:35 GMT

    My indian Playing XI for the last ODI at the Eden Gardens would be : Gambhir, Rahane, Kohli, Tiwary, Raina, Dhoni, Jadeja, Rahul Sharma, Ashwin, Vinay Kumar, Varun Aaron.

  • on October 25, 2011, 3:20 GMT

    Its time to say good bye to stalwarts like Dravid,Laxman.Zaheer,Nehra,Yuvraj and give choice to Tandulker to retire when ever he wants.India is doing very well in the hands of Youngsters.I still would like to see sehwag to gain his form and play for few more years.India has a bright future and for us to get Experience to the youngsters we should play countries like Australia and South africa even iff we loose all those games.we should not be ashamed of our team's performance in england,becouse even England knew that that they had no chance to beat full streangth Indian team and India wouldn't care about loosing number spot in ICC Ranking of test cricket becouse can get that crown the old fashioned way thats by beating teams in their own back fields in full streangth.We will see you England again after retiring our legends and bringing up some new youngsters.

  • mathewjohn2176 on October 25, 2011, 3:04 GMT

    @stephen kissoon, hahaha quite funny,be happy that England (cricket inventor)atleast learnt to play cricket now after century of thrashing from mighty Aussies .Regarding India,India ranked no.1 for two years before England took over,and they won two odi world cup,where as England have NONE.Forget about t20 as India got first t20 cup before England achieve that last year. So all in all India achieved more what England couldn't achieve even for now playing cricket for a century period.hahahaa.hope they learn to play better atleast from now on,I still remember reading in aus paper smh " can England play cricket"?????,that says a lot.

  • SudharsanVM on October 25, 2011, 2:54 GMT

    England Won the ODI series 3-0 in their conditions. All were rain affected matches and D/L methods. So England are 'D/L method champions' and 'Rain affected Match' Champions. Whereas India now proved that They are 50-Over Champions. Lets hope no rain in EDEN, so that India can win it 5-0.

  • jmcilhinney on October 25, 2011, 2:52 GMT

    Why does anyone have to be any sort of bully? Can't we just agree that both teams, and every other team, is better at home? There is an advantage to playing at home in any sport but international cricket more than any because of the variance in pitches. England are not great on the subcontinent but I think that this series is more of an indication of their ability in 50-over cricket than on subcontinent pitches. With regards to India's performance in England in test matches, yes it was just one series and there were injuries but I think the issues are that noone other than Dravid really performed well and the side that did play is very much like the first-choice side will be in the near future. If India simply assume that everything will be "back to normal" in test cricket now because they have won an ODI series then they do so at their peril.

  • ravi_shankar88 on October 25, 2011, 2:50 GMT

    India have always messed it up in final matches in last few years of the tournament having won the series.they experiment a lot in last(final) match and end up in losing side.i remember we lost the final match in srilanka,in that match we bundled for 120. So,india please don't get carried away and give us our diwali gift. i.e 5-0 win.

  • HatsforBats on October 25, 2011, 2:49 GMT

    Looks like Varun Aaron has the same attitude toward fitness as Khan & Harbajhan. Inexcusable for a young man and professional athlete to have that body.

  • bang_on_target on October 25, 2011, 2:12 GMT

    varun aaron had a dream debut,there is no doubt that he has the potential to be a great bowler for india in the slog overs..but what about his bowling with the new ball??can he be a strike bowler for india with the new ball on all pitches ,in all conditions?i m skeptical abt it..umesh yadav has pace but he lacks accuracy...varun has better control than umesh..pravin kumar is a much improved bolwer in the death now,he can consistently bowl yorkers now...vinay kumar's performance has been ok so far,but he is the weak link in the indian bowling attack....why the hell he bowls length deliveries in the slog overs??if a youngstar like varun can bowl yorkers so accuarately when the hell would bowlers like vinay kumar learn to do so??

  • on October 25, 2011, 1:25 GMT

    @Ravi Gupta- simple answer to your question about Botham.. Indians and Pakistani's have not been handed any knighthoods since your combined independance in 1947. Citizens of a Republic don't get knighted.

  • on October 25, 2011, 1:25 GMT

    It's glad to see India producing bowlers with good speed. Varun Aaron has impressed all with his pace & accuracy. Umesh Yadav not a bad option either, I am impressed with

  • on October 25, 2011, 1:02 GMT

    BCCI, through their friends in UK should arrange youngsters like Varun, Umesh, Ajinkya, Manoj and many others to gain county experience. I remember, Engineer, recently, offered to help. I don't know, whether anyone from BCCI followed it up. It will groom them for international assignments in a better way.They will gain the same way, the oversees players gained from the IPL experience

  • on October 25, 2011, 0:55 GMT

    @daalien. The paunch is like that of Malinga. Hope, he will develop into our version of Malinga, in terms of effectiveness. The stride looks like that of Zaheer. It is Ok if he emulate Zaheer, either.

  • predfox on October 25, 2011, 0:54 GMT

    @jango_moh: i would agree with your assessment. BTW We estimate only a 12% chance for england to win tomorrow using predictive analytics in cricket.

  • Nampally on October 25, 2011, 0:17 GMT

    @NRI:If Sachin, VVS,ZAK & Dravid are physically fit & keen, by all means select them.But if Tendulkar is off with injured toe for past 3 months, there is no point in selecting him. Firstly he won't be in shape & his recovery is unproven by playing even one day match let alone 5 days.The same goes for VVS& Dravid. Selecting Sehwag for the England tour without his shoulderfully recovered resulted in humiliating Indian test Washout!.100% fitness should be demanded followed by latest performance record. Players like Uthappa, Dhawan, Mukund are in terrific form but the Selectors have shut them out! Rahane, Gambhir, Kohli, Raina, C.Pujara, M.Tiwary are all young & talented.Aaron, Yadav,Tyagi are all promising fast bowlers - 140+ KPH bowlers.Ashwin, Ojha, Rahul Sharma are promising spinners. Selecting out of form or unfit guys is unfair to these talented youngsters. ZAK,Yuvraj, Sehwag & Tendulkar must prove their 5 day match fitness before selection.England Tour mistakes must be Rectified.

  • SanjivAwesome on October 25, 2011, 0:05 GMT

    I wonder if England can play to the level that all us Indian fans know they can, in the last ODI? It will make for good cricket and help to fill the stadiums too.

  • daalien on October 24, 2011, 22:52 GMT

    Is that a paunch that Varun is showing off in the photo? Following in the footsteps of Zaheer Khan more than Andy Roberts, looks like.

  • jango_moh on October 24, 2011, 22:28 GMT

    @JG2704, fully agree with you that England is currently a better test team than india considering all pitches/conditions overall, but only marginally... u seem to forget that everything that could go wrong went wrong for india, and eng were near perfect in terms of form, plans etc.. if eng plays a test series rite now in india, it would be close but india would prevail, again maybe 2-1 or 3-1 in a 5 match series... in ODI's the gulf is slightly greater b/w the two teams, with ind being a better team over all conditions... although i didnt expect the 4-0 result....

  • NRI- on October 24, 2011, 22:28 GMT

    Animesh Pattoo's comment is completely wrong. He says by replacing Dravid, Tendulkar & Laxman with undefined youngsters, India can do well in tests. Mr Pattoo, look at the stats of the last three test series abroad - SA, WI & Eng. These are the three batsmen who did well and the rest did badly. Yes, bowlers like Sreesanth, Munaf and RP Singh need to make away for Aaron, Yadav & Nehra. In fact, the youngsters who have done best in FIRST CLASS cricket, like Rahane, Rohit Sharma and Kohli deserve FAR MORE chances than Raina, Yuvraj and Murali Vijay, none of whom have done well in FIRST class cricket. Yet Rahane and Rohit have still got to make a test debut and Kohli has played only two tests!!! Srikaanth is a very POOR selector, he mixes the formats up.

  • on October 24, 2011, 22:26 GMT

    See all the supporters of india and England its not the matter of who is the best Team, its absolutely who controls the ICC and its England/Wales. Can someone from either side make me understand 1.) What Special Contribution do Ian Botham has done for England or for the game of Cricket in comparison to the Gr8 Imran Khan and Kapil Dev, so he [Ian] get the Honor of Sir not not to these 2 gentleman of Sun Continents. When you guys understand this small difference then you won't such remarks against any country. 2.) How come England be the World no. 1 team in T20, bcoz they have won the T20 Worl Cup, then why not India be the Worl no.1 in ODI after conquering 2011 World Cup, it was Aus who was No. 1 as they Toured Bangladesh. 3. I always thinks the Ranking system has Flaws like RDS and Hawkeyes.

  • on October 24, 2011, 21:36 GMT

    Sarthak1305 - totally agree!! think of the mighty aussies mcgrath, langer, ponting, warne, hayden, gilchrist and co - who couldn't win a test series in india? compare that with english team... they are good, deserve to be no.1 test team - but have they got what it takes to beat india at home? very much doubt it.

  • on October 24, 2011, 21:31 GMT

    I think its fair enough to say, that its time for india to really shake up the test team and bring these youngsters in. India' odi team is very strong, especially at home, and needs to transfered to test to replace the old indian brigade. India can never excel in tests if they continue with dravid, tendulkar, laxman cuz of there age. England doesnt seem to have the right mindset of odis, and overthink or plan them. They are very suited to test matches and are the best in the world. India on the other hand needs to change up its test team for the series down under, and perhaps finally let go of zaheer whos injured and out for the year.

  • on October 24, 2011, 21:29 GMT

    no wonder all the english fans want to talk about tests - the current one, is it a test series or a ODI series?? I am very confused - thanks for the score line 4-0 in just a fortnight, must be ODIs... English fans - get over it... this is ODIs and England is no good - accept the fact.. lets talk about the test next year when you visit?? LOL

  • JG2704 on October 24, 2011, 21:20 GMT

    love England to win this match but don't see it.I hope England restore a bit of pride and are competitive asin the 3rd . Despite playing poorly I'd like Borthwick to get another chance and despite playing well I'd like to see Bres rested. So one change for me Swann for Bres. As for 3 things (among many others) to improve on. 1 more urgency with looking to nurdle the ball around and running between the wickets for 1s&2s 2- Bowlers practicing and getting their yorkers right.3-Re captaincy-For a while I've thought that when a bowling side has the batting side on the defensive during powerplays,as soon as the powerplay's over the field spreads. I know you must have a certain number of players within the circle (more in powerplay) but as far as I know you can have more than that number within the circle. Why not keep the inner ring packed after a powerplay if you have 2 batsmen who are unset or are bogged down rather than give them gaps for easy singles and enabling batsmen to settle etc?

  • Nampally on October 24, 2011, 21:05 GMT

    @KamMamgain: When all the things that could go wrong for one side do go wrong whilst all the things that could go right for their opponents do go right, you see the results of the India Vs. England Test series in 2011. The chances of this occuring are very rare but it happened. Personally I would blame the Selectors of the Indian team which included players who were still injured or returning to cricket from 3 months of total inactivity. These guys were picked on their reputation but fitness aspect was totally ignored.The selectors were so stubborn in their decisions that they failed to provide good back ups for injured players.As evident from the Present ODI team that beat England 4-0 to date, India has 2 good young fast bowlers Yadav & Aaron who would have done well in England + unlimited talent.So the Indian record in Australia in 2011 Dec.will depend upon picking keen talented young guys in form instead of unfit players on their past record.India will beat the Aussies in tests.

  • tsrajkumar on October 24, 2011, 21:03 GMT

    I won't say that the Indian team is a flat track bully, they are the sub continent bullies. The problem for its future is that if it fails to adapt itself to foreign conditions, we would always struggle in international tournaments. They can't afford to be superstars only in India and Sri Lanka. With majority of their matches set to happen outside the sub continent, it is vital that they adapt to all conditions.

  • BigDataIsAHoax on October 24, 2011, 21:00 GMT

    to be called great u really need to dominate all teams in all conditions. england is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off that mark. they r a good team who can look below par every now n then.

  • krici_lover on October 24, 2011, 20:58 GMT

    I agree that as on day and based on last series England appears to be a better test team. But is just one series is good enough to pass on the judgement and makes them very strong side and India a weak side. When India was no 1 people challenged India's position based on their records on bouncy and swinging conditions and to a certain extent that is true as well. India's record on such pitches has not be very great but at the same time India has won few tests on fastest pitches in world - Perth, Durban, Trent Bridge, WI, NZ etc in last few years. But I don't recall any English victory on turning tracks against Pak, SL or India in same period. Is it greatness.

  • JG2704 on October 24, 2011, 20:58 GMT

    @ranjit.sg - More grace in your little fingernail than most of your compatriots on these boards have between them. I always thought that the OD series win for England was a bonus and the series despite being 3-0 or whatever it was could have gone 3-0 to India on another day. One think I think all us honest cricket fans agree on is that both teams are better at home than they are away. If England played another 5 match OD series vs India in 2 months time I'd expect England to be far more competitive , not so much that we win 5-0 or even that we'd win a match but each match would be closer than those in India. By the same token a test series in India in 2 months time would I believe still go to England because the gulf between the 2 sides in England was so big , but I'd certainly be surprised if India lost every test by anything like the same margins.

  • gandabhai on October 24, 2011, 20:55 GMT

    Cook is a fantastic test batsmen and was heading towards being one of Englands best ever test batsmen . He should never have been given captaincy of the ODI team because it will mess up his test temperament in the long run and that will be a shame .Cricket will be the loser

  • 5wombats on October 24, 2011, 20:48 GMT

    @ranjit.sg - At last! A true Indian fan who is making perfect sense! Yes, the away series win in Tests is the ABSOLUTE determinant of cricketing prowess. Also - imagine the DELIGHT when England play Test cricket in Australia in Australia and WIN!!! I think you probably can. We England fans ENJOYED that I can certainly tell you we partied all night (in the ice and snow...). And I can imagine India's delight in putting England away in Tests in England in 2007 too. The India V England Test series will be a fierce struggle - but, and I'm not being funny with a true cricket fan here, but England will be fully prepared. India will need to be too! The wombats only bite when bitten. At all other times they would rather play the greatest game, or talk about it with friends..... thank you @ranjit.sg - you have helped to restore my faith!

  • on October 24, 2011, 20:28 GMT

    i think india & england both have similar abilities, if they are consistent they play well..but dhoni is far matured and better captain then cook for sure...

  • Front-Foot-Lunge on October 24, 2011, 20:18 GMT

    England will take being better at cricket than India any day: Which they are of course, and which no one who saw England recently and in the last year can deny. This series is a good test for their youngsters and an inexperienced captain, but no one's kidding themselves as to the relevance of this needless little B-Team series.

  • on October 24, 2011, 20:02 GMT

    such whitewash will never happen, and i hope india learn to play test cricket some time this century hahahah

  • Sarthak1305 on October 24, 2011, 19:53 GMT

    @ ranjit.sg: While no one can doubt that england are a competetive side it would be extremly difficult for them to win a test series in India they might not loose as badly as we did out of say a 4 or a 5 game series thy would atleast secure a draw. But i dont remotely see them winning a series in India in test only because when they cant handle ashwin and jadeja on an ODI pitch, u can imagine how they would look on a 5th day dustbowl.

  • Lord_Dravid on October 24, 2011, 19:52 GMT

    Why are people calling india flat track bullies? flat tracks are generally good for batting so does that mean teams touring india cant bat?or england cant bat in this case?..its not like india are only batting on a flat track and england arent..to be a great team you have to play in all conditions well..indian pitches demand the skill of playing spin well which england clearly lack and was evident in the 4-0 drubbimg so far! i stick to my pre tour predictiion 5-0!

  • Nampally on October 24, 2011, 19:46 GMT

    I am glad to see even the die-hard England fans are accepting that India has a better ODI team than England when playing at home.Raina, Dhoni & Kohli are very strong ODI batsmen any where. These 3 guys have the right approach with right shots for the ODI.Who can hit a helicopter Six off Finn like Dhoni did.India also showed that they are no slouches in the pace bowling. In Yadav & Aaron India has 2 youngsters who can bowl around 140 KPH & take wickets.Even Vinay Kumar bowling around 130 KPH was successful on the Indian wickets where the England pace bowlers did not do as well.Ashwin & Jadeja took wickets where there was spin in the wicket. Both bowled economically.England relied too much on Youth - e.g., Bairstow, Keiswetter instead of Bell. It was amazing that Bell cannot get in the XI despite youngsters failing. Dropping of Swann was strange.He is arguably the top off spinner in the world!. Cook may not be captain of the ODI after this series.His captaincy was poor & unimaginative.

  • Cric1988 on October 24, 2011, 19:45 GMT

    First i'd like to say that the indian team has played really well, but let me tell you all your comments here just show that you guys couldnt swallow the defeat in england. same goes for england but honestly they have shown a very mature attitude compared to indian fans and media. cmn guys its just a game and winning and loosing is part of the game, why is everyone pulling eachothers leg here. for me, across all three formats regarding the two teams i think the following: TEST - England is a better team (doesnt matter if they play in england or anywhere else). ODI - india is slightly better, specially on paper (eng in eng is better and ind in ind is very strong) - results speaks and we cant argues india played better in england ODI's bcoz the results matter, similalry results matter in india). T20I - very difficult to say bcoz are trying new players in this format but i think i ind is slightly more stable with a better captain and batsmen.

  • bigdhonifan on October 24, 2011, 19:40 GMT

    Paid Back?? Not yet.. I want England to be here for a 5 Test match Series, and thrash them 5-0.... 5-0 is ODI is just made me comfortable!! Anyway I am going to Support Pakistan in Eng-Pak series in Abu Dhabi... English will loose the #1 Ranking in Tests, and T20's soon.. on ODI- they never be in top 3!!

  • muthuthewaves on October 24, 2011, 19:20 GMT

    english ppl call indians as flat track bullies and they scoring more runs in these tracks. Hopefully england also playin in the same flat track and they r not able to score runs lol. If these tracks are easy to score why u ppl cant score. Apply some cricket knowledge. There is somtin to be learnt to score in these tracks. Well everyone does know england havent learnt anytin in cricket. England 'UNDERDOGS OF WORLDCUP' come with a win til that shut everything and watch out how india lifts the cup. This is our turn.

  • on October 24, 2011, 19:19 GMT

    flat tracks on which england cant make 250 yes... they are flat lmfao i would be honest in one day internationals india is way ahead even in england they were more competitive then england in india and that with half injured side in tests thought england is better cos of their bowling if india can ffind some good bowlers it can bounce back one good thing thought india is taking positive steps by not picking rp singh sreesanth (even though i think he can pick wickets) and going in withnew pacers young and quick thts how u develop gr8 bowlers thts how we developed zaheer and thts how steyn was developed in south africa if u cannt remember jsut see morkel... was bad against australia at start but see now after backing he is doing better then gr8 steyn!

  • CricketCrazyCheri on October 24, 2011, 19:14 GMT

    @Icing Sugar Honey: Do you really follow cricket, what is the definition of flat track in your dictionary? :) odi's played in this series were mostly slow and spin friendly... India doesn't have a good record overseas, but that doesn't mean they are only good on flat tracks.most of the subcontinent pitches are slow and spin friendly. England's approach to spin was horrible in this series, if they lack the talent to face spin, that doesn't make indian team flat track bullies.

  • on October 24, 2011, 19:09 GMT

    After watching cricket in both England and India, I am really not convinced that spin is the only demon for England in India. Agreed England played spin worser than India, but there are certain things that still don make sense. 1. How did Cook and Keiswetter fail? They scored heavily in England against the same set of quickish bowlers? 2. How did they play Mishra and Harbhajan well in the test series (despite Mishra getting SKW's equivalent of turn). 3. This is the first time Indians played three quick men. Flat or fast, how did English batsmen fail to score against them (30 overs each match)? 4. If Indians are 'flat track' bullies why couldn't England do even decently?(atleast 270 on ordinary pitches). 5. In my opinion Ashwin did not bowl that great (please don get me wrong he is a fantastic bowler) but he did not even get a 5 for. 6. The other spinner is purely playing as a batsman allrounder. I would like some technical writer to analyse these points and give us a clear picture.

  • Full-Blooded-Wallop on October 24, 2011, 19:06 GMT

    @5wombats-India are good in all formats, barring one off series ;)

  • i_witnessed_2011 on October 24, 2011, 19:05 GMT

    Hope Manoj will get chance in place of Parthiv. Gambhir can open the innings. Given the track record of Eng against spin, India even can dare to try out Rahul sharma in place of Ashwin. It is important end this game on high for India because they should carry some moentum to next t20 match in which they need to do put better performance. After Inagural t20 WC win, India have not been a dominant side in t20 Internationals.

  • on October 24, 2011, 19:02 GMT

    This summer when India visited England i believe they played nearly 3 complete matches, Most of them were affected with rains and So it affected the team performance.

    And Here we go in India Full over matches and we are back on winning. About Test Matches i think india were mainly affected with injuries

  • Baundele on October 24, 2011, 18:52 GMT

    India were a good side in the ODIs in England as well. If some rain and D/L did go in their favor, they could win the ODI series there as well. England selection has been funny. Bairstow for Bell does not make any sense.

  • kabe_ag7 on October 24, 2011, 18:51 GMT

    England trounced India in England. But this odi series victory with such huge margins by a 2nd string Indian team indicates they would have trounced England in India in tests. Its not as if Anderson with his grand record in subcontinent would have saved them.

  • ranjit.sg on October 24, 2011, 18:41 GMT

    @James Hickman- Couldn't agree more. England are without any doubt the best test outfit today. But No 1 in T20s? You gotta be kidding! A format like T20 doesn't even deserve rankings. Anything can happen in 20 overs.

  • lakhi1981 on October 24, 2011, 18:41 GMT

    It is interesting to read the heated exchanges between Indian and English supporters on the forum. I am an Indian fan but here are some objective views: - England and India are both very good sides in home conditions. However, I think India is slightly more stronger at home. - The english seam attack is much better than the Indian seam attack (especially without Zaheer). Here, there are no two ways! As a result, India always struggles in Australia and England and in South Africa as well - England, outside the sub-continent is a better test team than India currently purely because of the bowling - Indians are better at accepting defeat than the english - Cook as England's captain in ODI's is a disaster. He is completely lost. India, in the form of Dhoni, has a humonous advantage. - Finally, over a period of time, India has been the better ODI side by far. Weakness or no weakness abroad, India won a world cup in England and reached the finals in South Africa.

  • on October 24, 2011, 18:39 GMT

    @5wombats - One would need to be an idiot to assert that India are a better Test team than England. If only the performances of 2011 are accounted for, then surely England are miles ahead of the Indian. However, I feel we must look back a few years to gain a better view: England haven't won a series in India since the 80s; India won in England in 2007; India won in India in 2008; India got annihilated in England in 2011. With all that said, India's defeats in England were inexplicable, and there were no excuses about it. Also, that England played like champions and thoroughly deserved their triumph. Again, if I were asked to conclude, I would say both teams are stronger contenders at home. Although, if India and England play a four Test series in India, I wouldn't say India could beat England 4-0. I feel, India's performance in Australia would be a good indicator of where they stand against England.

  • spence1324 on October 24, 2011, 18:36 GMT

    @Ranjiit.sg, good comment shows what these fourms are ment to be for talking cricket 'not he said she said 'anyway rant over in reply to england being a poor side i think it more average than poor, england have beaten the two would cup finalists at home but agreed have struggled away (in india more so), it seems with england they take one step forward but 2 back in odi's,however under andy flower im sure they can inprove,however there seems to be sense that england are using this trip as a fact finding trip for the test series in india at the end of next year.

  • MENDIS_Forever on October 24, 2011, 18:35 GMT

    congrats Varun!.you have a great future ahead.now don't get distracted by Zaheer's bad comments about Indian seamers. - (SL fan)

  • ranjit.sg on October 24, 2011, 18:34 GMT

    @5wombats- I would kill to have a test team like the one England has currently! :) I'm looking forward to England playing tests in India next year. From what the ODI's seem to suggest, the English batsmen struggle playing the slower bowlers, especially on the sub-continent wickets. Tests however is a different ball game altogether. The likes of Trott, Bell, etc are going to have all the time in the world to settle down and play watchfully, something they cannot afford to do in the ODI's. This is probably the only area where the IPL has been so beneficial - ODI's in the sub-continent. But that doesn't mean much, does it? India can whitewash every team they want in all the home ODI series. But all that will fade into oblivion if we win a test series outside the sub-continent(and I do not mean WI or NZ!). Nothing can be more delightful than an away test victory. what say?

  • on October 24, 2011, 18:15 GMT

    @5wombats ,ha ha at the end u understand we have good young talent ,in next year2012 test series u will also understand that we have very good test team well, with sehwag,schine,zaher,yuvi returns ( IND 3-ENG 0) in 2012 Test series , Hard luck, lolz.

  • on October 24, 2011, 18:05 GMT

    Coming into this series i dont think the England set-up or any of its fans were under any illusions that this was going to be anything less than a tough series. Whilst as an England fan, being on the end of a potential whitewash is disappointing it is hardly surprising. Playing the world champions in conditions that not only they are used to but we historically struggle in, it was never likely to be a success story for the visitors. In the one day format i believe we heavily rely on Morgan in the batting line up and when he is not there more often than not England suffer as a result.

  • 5wombats on October 24, 2011, 17:58 GMT

    @ranjit.sg - thank you! How very gracious. India are very strong at home and in Odi. The next generation coming through for India look good. England have been disappointing - I had hoped for a more competitive Odi series.

  • on October 24, 2011, 17:47 GMT

    youngsters have come good in this series. i wonder what the selectors will do when the big guns are back. which youngster are they going to drop. anyway one day cricket is in good hands. now we need to strengthen our test side.

  • on October 24, 2011, 15:47 GMT

    I think giving a chance to Manoj Tiwary in front of home crowd his good and even in place of Ashwin giving a chance to Rahul Sharma is good that gives him some confidence, I hope India will make it 5-0 and 1-0.

  • ranjit.sg on October 24, 2011, 15:46 GMT

    I'm sorry, I do not think a 5-0(or even 6-0 for that matter) walloping is revenge by any means. You know what is revenge? Beating England in a test series,at home, and more so, away. Despite being an Indian fan, I must admit that England are by far the team to beat in the longer version. Yes, you could say that they haven't done well in the sub-continent(India to be precise), but who's comparing them with the Australian and West Indian teams of yore? With respect to the teams today, England are unarguably the best test side. However having said that, I must say(and I think the English fans would agree with me here) that England have a pretty poor One-Day outfit, and the 3-0 whitewash of India in the recently concluded ODI series is pretty misleading.

  • on October 24, 2011, 15:42 GMT

    flat track bullies three words that are suitable for indian team lol

  • satanswish on October 24, 2011, 15:36 GMT

    Every dog appears tiger in his own den. Applies to both England & India.

  • ToTellUTheTruth on October 24, 2011, 15:34 GMT

    Manoj Tiwary is not an opener. Hopefully, Gambhir will open, with Tiwary getting the #3/4 spot.

  • dialc4cricket on October 24, 2011, 15:31 GMT

    It is going to be 5-0 for sure..

  • Guernica on October 24, 2011, 15:19 GMT

    Although it's been disappointing, this series has confirmed a lot of things I'd suspected. 1) England are still hopeless at setting a target over 50 overs - they were papering over that in the summer by always bowling first. 2) Dernbach's so-called 'box-of-tricks' may work against less experienced batsmen but there is no substitute for a genuine wicket-taker such as .... 3) Steve Finn, who has been one of the few players to improve his reputation 4) Bressie, much as I like his effort, just doesn't get enough wickets with the new ball in ODIs. He's averaging close to 40 now.

  • on October 24, 2011, 15:17 GMT

    Since dew is not an issue, this is one match where Dhoni can be saved the bother of deciding to bat first or bowl, if Cook wins the toss! Also hopes Tiwari plays and succeeds -- further strengthening Indian's bench.

  • the_blue_android on October 24, 2011, 15:11 GMT

    Wow! Look at that picture, Varun is so fat and looks like a banyan tree! He needs to work on his fitness to bowl 145 KMPH...if not he'll soon turn into military medium of 125 kmph with that belly hanging out!

  • on October 24, 2011, 15:03 GMT

    The big bubble of England Dominance has been burst even before it shone. Wasn't that expected? English fans should understand now, their team is no different from India if not poorer. At least India had the excuse of not playing half of their quality side due to injuries, fatigue etc. England on the other hand, chose to taste the poison by not sending the likes of Anderson or Broad here. Not that they would have made any difference. Lucky for England , its not a tour with Test Series in it else they would have made into the records book for shortest stay at the top in cricketing history. Defeating a depleted and down-on-morale Aussie team is just not enough these days. Lol.......

  • Romenevans on October 24, 2011, 14:55 GMT

    I'm bored of this series now, please send Bangladesh for the last ODI they'll at least give us some fight and we won't have to see English bowlers begging and yelling on the field for wickets.

  • on October 24, 2011, 14:49 GMT

    Nobody cares about limited over cricket, its all about test matches. This is not revenge as England dont claim to be any good at 1Day or T20!

  • on October 24, 2011, 14:40 GMT

    India really played well in this series. And given chances to youngsters that they got lot more confidence in the international level. Its a great feeling that they are giving the best as they can.

  • BIG_B_army on October 24, 2011, 14:31 GMT

    what happened to adil rashid?

  • pdsina on October 24, 2011, 14:30 GMT

    I think India should let England Bat twice to win the final one day match. The chances and still bleak though.

  • Nampally on October 24, 2011, 14:26 GMT

    Rahul Sharma should play at least in the fifth ODI. Rest Ashwin to play Rahul or replace Parthiv with Rahul.Rahul is as good a bowler as Ashwin but cannot find a palce in the side because Dhoni wants 3 pacers + 2 spinners - one of which is Jadeja.Rahul is a good batsman too.This will make more sense - give the other squad member a chance to play - especially in a dead Rubber Also Raina can bowl effective off spin. But once Dhoni gets used to some format of bowlers he will not change. Dhoni dropped Ashwin consistently despite Bhaiji's terrible form. As far as England is concerned, they played well in the last 2 matches but the Indian batsmen rose to the occasion with long innings. Also Cook's team selection & bowling changes are poor.Patel & Swann bowled so well in ODI 3. In ODI 4 Swann is dropped & Patel bowls just one over! Meaker, Finn, Swann & Patel are 4 main England bowlers who must play.Replace Bairstow with experienced Bell.If he tries this combo, England will be competitive.

  • on October 24, 2011, 14:25 GMT

    It has been a very good going for India after the disappointing tour of England. The India fans will be in "satisfied zone" only if Dhoni's boy sweep it 5-0 and 1-0 in T20. Hope the boys will not be carried away with what they have got so far.

  • Haleos on October 24, 2011, 14:23 GMT

    Good Luck India. Dhoni deserves some rest now.

  • ibbani on October 24, 2011, 14:22 GMT

    I had already posted 5-0 for India before we even started the series. Except for the test series, we played really well without luck. But here, England are not just being beaten, they are royally outplayed on every aspect of the game in each of the 4 matches. They just are just not competent to play against India.

  • Brummieexile on October 24, 2011, 14:21 GMT

    Its a no brainer - Ian Bell in for Bopara, Bairstow or Kieswetter; Bopara should be told now to forget an England career. It smacks of incompetence from Cook (and Flower) that when England were only 2-0 down, they still persisted with a number of failing players, leaving Bell in the dressing room! As a footnote - I think England got it wrong in naming Cook ODI captain - the other candidate was much better qualified.

  • Raman.UV on October 24, 2011, 14:18 GMT

    As a batting unit India has a good talent and same with spin department with the likes of Ojha, Mishra along with Bhajji, Aswin and jadeja, but the main problem was the pacers but it seems he have sorted of that problem too but it may be too early to call Varun and Umesh as our next strike bowlers but they have quality to do so if they maintain there fitness and attitude. It was nice to see Varun finishing off England tail with an ease and in quick time which our pacers inability in the absence of Zaheer. Vinay seems very ordinary at highest level and he is same in term of pace as PK, Munaf, Nehra and Co so it better to go with experience when they r fit cos they all have proved there worth and v all had seen Nehra doing very wel in death overs as he did in world cup against PAK and agiant SL while defending 414 and defending 6 runs agains PAK in 2004 and 9 runs against SL in 2008 if i m not wrong. Aravind Vinay Mithun r of same type

  • on October 24, 2011, 14:17 GMT

    India WWWWL---------------- England LLLLW ONE MORE TO GO..............................

  • on October 24, 2011, 13:57 GMT

    If Manoj Tiwary comes good, it would be a great thing. Hope he does well in front of his home crowd. It is almost certain that India is just going to complete the formalities tomorrow for '5-0', considering the performances of these English men in the past matches. Now the expectation is on the solitary T20. Can Uthappa make his re-entry count?

  • on October 24, 2011, 13:49 GMT

    india will make it 6-0 with t 20 and grab t-20 number 1 rank from england fr sure./ thts wht we call revenge now

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  • on October 24, 2011, 13:49 GMT

    india will make it 6-0 with t 20 and grab t-20 number 1 rank from england fr sure./ thts wht we call revenge now

  • on October 24, 2011, 13:57 GMT

    If Manoj Tiwary comes good, it would be a great thing. Hope he does well in front of his home crowd. It is almost certain that India is just going to complete the formalities tomorrow for '5-0', considering the performances of these English men in the past matches. Now the expectation is on the solitary T20. Can Uthappa make his re-entry count?

  • on October 24, 2011, 14:17 GMT

    India WWWWL---------------- England LLLLW ONE MORE TO GO..............................

  • Raman.UV on October 24, 2011, 14:18 GMT

    As a batting unit India has a good talent and same with spin department with the likes of Ojha, Mishra along with Bhajji, Aswin and jadeja, but the main problem was the pacers but it seems he have sorted of that problem too but it may be too early to call Varun and Umesh as our next strike bowlers but they have quality to do so if they maintain there fitness and attitude. It was nice to see Varun finishing off England tail with an ease and in quick time which our pacers inability in the absence of Zaheer. Vinay seems very ordinary at highest level and he is same in term of pace as PK, Munaf, Nehra and Co so it better to go with experience when they r fit cos they all have proved there worth and v all had seen Nehra doing very wel in death overs as he did in world cup against PAK and agiant SL while defending 414 and defending 6 runs agains PAK in 2004 and 9 runs against SL in 2008 if i m not wrong. Aravind Vinay Mithun r of same type

  • Brummieexile on October 24, 2011, 14:21 GMT

    Its a no brainer - Ian Bell in for Bopara, Bairstow or Kieswetter; Bopara should be told now to forget an England career. It smacks of incompetence from Cook (and Flower) that when England were only 2-0 down, they still persisted with a number of failing players, leaving Bell in the dressing room! As a footnote - I think England got it wrong in naming Cook ODI captain - the other candidate was much better qualified.

  • ibbani on October 24, 2011, 14:22 GMT

    I had already posted 5-0 for India before we even started the series. Except for the test series, we played really well without luck. But here, England are not just being beaten, they are royally outplayed on every aspect of the game in each of the 4 matches. They just are just not competent to play against India.

  • Haleos on October 24, 2011, 14:23 GMT

    Good Luck India. Dhoni deserves some rest now.

  • on October 24, 2011, 14:25 GMT

    It has been a very good going for India after the disappointing tour of England. The India fans will be in "satisfied zone" only if Dhoni's boy sweep it 5-0 and 1-0 in T20. Hope the boys will not be carried away with what they have got so far.

  • Nampally on October 24, 2011, 14:26 GMT

    Rahul Sharma should play at least in the fifth ODI. Rest Ashwin to play Rahul or replace Parthiv with Rahul.Rahul is as good a bowler as Ashwin but cannot find a palce in the side because Dhoni wants 3 pacers + 2 spinners - one of which is Jadeja.Rahul is a good batsman too.This will make more sense - give the other squad member a chance to play - especially in a dead Rubber Also Raina can bowl effective off spin. But once Dhoni gets used to some format of bowlers he will not change. Dhoni dropped Ashwin consistently despite Bhaiji's terrible form. As far as England is concerned, they played well in the last 2 matches but the Indian batsmen rose to the occasion with long innings. Also Cook's team selection & bowling changes are poor.Patel & Swann bowled so well in ODI 3. In ODI 4 Swann is dropped & Patel bowls just one over! Meaker, Finn, Swann & Patel are 4 main England bowlers who must play.Replace Bairstow with experienced Bell.If he tries this combo, England will be competitive.

  • pdsina on October 24, 2011, 14:30 GMT

    I think India should let England Bat twice to win the final one day match. The chances and still bleak though.