India v England, 5th ODI, Kolkata

Spinners condemn England to 5-0 whitewash

The Report by Andrew Miller

October 25, 2011

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India 271 for 8 (Dhoni 75*) beat England 176 (Jadeja 4-33, Kieswetter 63) by 95 runs
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MS Dhoni smites one down the ground, India v England, 5th ODI, Eden Gardens, October 25 2011
MS Dhoni bludgeoned England into submission before his spinners sealed the whitewash © AFP
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England chose a particularly humiliating route to their second 5-0 whitewash in consecutive ODI tours of India, as they allowed their resolve to collapse twice in one match - first with the ball, as MS Dhoni walloped 75 not out from 69 balls to take his series tally to 212 runs without loss - and then with the bat, as they squandered a 20-over scoreline of 129 for 0 to lose all ten of their wickets for 47 runs in exactly 100 deliveries.

India's stars with the ball, as in the first match of the series in Hyderabad, were once again the spinners, Ravindra Jadeja, who claimed 4 for 33 in eight overs, and R Ashwin, 3 for 28 in nine. They joined forces with the part-timers Manoj Tiwary and Suresh Raina, to choke England's innings in a sea of slogs and dot-balls. Of England's last nine batsmen, only Samit Patel (18) and Graeme Swann (10 not out) reached double figures. The rout was sealed with 13 overs to spare when Steven Finn top-edged an Ashwin carrom ball to the keeper and triumphant captain, Dhoni.

For the first two-fifths of the innings, England's progress could hardly have been more serene. Alastair Cook and Craig Kieswetter saved their best performances of the series for the very last gasp. Kieswetter brought up his half-century from 49 balls - and England's 100 with it - with a savage carve through the covers off Varun Aaron, and Cook was scarcely any tardier, reaching his own milestone from 51. For the majority of their stand, England were consistently 20 runs ahead of the required rate, without having needed to take any risks whatsoever.

The innings, however, was derailed by the extra pace of Aaron, who came round the wicket to extract Cook's off stump for 60 from 61 balls - the exact same score he had managed in the first match at Hyderabad. Eight balls later, Kieswetter followed suit for a run-a-ball 63, as Jadeja pinned him lbw on the front foot, and suddenly the innings was wide open.

Bell, playing in his first match of the series after Kevin Pietersen had been ruled out with a chipped bone in his thumb, scratched around for 2 from six balls before snicking Ashwin to the keeper, and three balls later, all hope had been truly lost when Jonathan Trott, England's likeliest middle-order ballast, pushed loosely at Jadeja and edged a simple chance to slip for 5.

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  • This is only the third time that India have achieved a 5-0 verdict in a bilateral ODI series. The two earlier instances were against England (2008-09) and New Zealand (2010-11). For England, it's their third such drubbing in a bilateral series.
  • England's last nine wickets added only 47 runs, which is their lowest aggregate in ODIs.
  • Only four times have England had a higher first-wicket stand in an ODI that they've lost. They also had a 129-run stand in the 1979 World Cup final, which they lost by 92 runs.
  • MS Dhoni has 50 scores of fifty or more in ODIs. Only three other wicketkeeper-batsmen have achieved this feat in ODIs.
  • Dhoni joined a list of two other batsmen who've remained unbeaten throughout a series, after batting four or more innings and scoring 200 or more runs.

In Jadeja's next over, England's innings went even further off-track, as the overawed Jonny Bairstow tried to hit his way out of trouble but instead skidded a thick outside edge to Ajinkya Rahane at backward point. Ravi Bopara squandered the chance to be a hero when he was bowled round his legs for a 16-ball 4 by Raina, and Tim Bresnan - so often England's most combative tailender - confirmed the general air of surrender when he chipped a loose drive off Tiwary for a fourth-ball duck.

Long before the final indignity, England had already blown their best chance to salvage some pride in the series thanks to another scruffy fielding performance which undermined another superb display of fast bowling from England's only shining light of the series, Finn. From a comfortable 71 for 0 after 15 overs, India slumped to 81 for 3 in the subsequent bowling Powerplay, with Finn sparking the loss of three wickets for no runs in ten balls with a brilliant double-wicket maiden.

First to go was Gautam Gambhir for 38, in near-identical fashion to his dismissal by Finn at Mumbai, as a lifting delivery outside off nipped off the inside edge and into the stumps. Then, after welcoming Virat Kohli with a series of excellent deliveries in the channel outside off, he bowled him with a final-ball beauty that zipped off the seam and crashed into off stump as the batsman offered no stroke.

Four balls and no runs later, and Tim Bresnan was into the act as well, as Kieswetter atoned for an earlier drop with a soaring leap to his right to cling on to a flying edge. A second consecutive maiden for Finn was then followed by an equally frugal first over from Bopara, and India's collapse should have been four wickets for one run in 25 balls when Swann at second slip dropped an absolute dolly off Suresh Raina.

India needed no further invitation to make England pay. Raina was eventually run out for 38 from 46 balls when his bat bounced in the crease as a direct hit came in from square leg, but it was the crunching hitting of the irrepressible Dhoni that left England's prospects in the dust. He saved his most savage assault for the new boy, Meaker, whom he battered for a massive six over wide long-on in a penultimate over that went for 21. Patel fared scarcely any better in the 50th of the innings, in which a further 18 runs were scalped.

By the end of it all, Dhoni had added 330 ODI runs since England last dismissed him at The Oval in September, and his personal dominance was a perfect reflection of a series in which the tables of the summer had been emphatically turned.

Innings Dot balls 4s 6s PP1 PP2 PP3 Last 10 overs NB/Wides
India 165 25 5 41 for 0 10 for 3 28 for 1 91 for 3 0/8
England 137 20 2 62 for 0 10 for 4 9 for 3 DNP 0/5

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Posted by Kal391 on (October 28, 2011, 19:50 GMT)

And whatever happened to all the talk about Gramme Swann being the World's best spinner compared to the pathetic fare that India is dishing out! There was so much discussion on what India needs to do to produce spinners of the calibre of Swann and Co.

Posted by dicky_boy on (October 28, 2011, 19:25 GMT)

And mr bob martin please answer If umpires decision is final Why do the English want UDRS haha see the umpires decision is not final

Posted by dicky_boy on (October 28, 2011, 19:23 GMT)

Well mr bob martin I know u think it's really bad but that test was really serious as there were 11 dubious decisions, it was an exception the bcci objected to it ok Funny u caught that point only and left my remaining discussion lol and u know what we are complaining about baseless comments saying that winning world cup at home is nothing and it is just one tourney and bla we don't like Odis bla bla bla looks like we are not the ones making excuses

Posted by bobmartin on (October 28, 2011, 18:19 GMT)

dicky_boy... No-one was demeaning the world cup. I was merely stating the facts about it...Now if any of the following is untrue, perhaps you could break with a habit and post some verifiable facts; What I said was: The world cup lasts just 6 weeks. India played 9 matches, all but one of which was at home. They played against only 7 of the test playing nations, losing 1 and tying one. You are the world cup holders, nothing more . All that means is that you came out top of the pile in a very limited competition over a very short period of time. On the other hand, Australia are, and have been, top of the ICC ODI rankings for the vast majority of the last 5 years having played against ALL the test playing nations both home and away. India have never been top during that time. That makes Australia by far and away the best ODI team in the world. Call yourselves what you want, but the facts speak for themselves I'm afraid. Now where is there anything other than facts in those statements.

Posted by puneet_usa on (October 28, 2011, 18:15 GMT)

PAKISTAN is the only team with exceptional record abroad-i don't think we need to ask the question why?? Lets dtop this useless England-india Debate..!! Lets focus whats in store for both teams as far as future performances is concerned....!!!

Posted by dicky_boy on (October 28, 2011, 15:28 GMT)

And just to the people who comment that the world cup is nothing , well until u experience the feeling please don't insult the cup , leave this series for the feeling of a world cup victory I don't care if they lose ten series also, well the feeling is unexplainable , u get tears in your eyes ! Comments about form are ok but please don't insult the world cup and don't demean it's value of winning at home also we are the first home team to win it

Posted by CandidIndian on (October 28, 2011, 15:27 GMT)

JG2704 & A_Yorkshire_Lad-Thanks for the nice words,we may be in minority here,but many Indian fans like me have not turned up to stadiums or their TV sets this series as they are disappointed by obsession of BCCI with IPL and overdose of lucid cricket.While having great respect for England for the way they played in recent test series , there is disappointment that India could not compete.India got obvious signs that all is not well in series against SA and SL which ended at 1-1 but no measures were taken to correct things.Hence thrashing in England was necessary to end the fairy tale and face the harsh reality.Accepting defeat and working on improvement is what England did after they lost to Aus and India 3-4 years ago ,and they have beaten both these teams comprehensively now and also got well deserved no 1 ranking.Thats what Dhoni and Fletcher are trying to do hence they rubbished the words like revenge and payback.Cricinfo kindly publish.

Posted by bobmartin on (October 28, 2011, 15:15 GMT)

Posted by dicky_boy on (October 28 2011, 12:05 PM GMT)

" Australia won 2-1 but everyone knows the Sydney disaster with umpires,".. You see the point most of us England supporters are making; the excuses from India fans never stop coming even years after the event. Was this the series where India caused the demise of Steve Bucknor due to some decisions he made which India didn't like.. Whatever happened to the principle that the umpires decision is final.. Didn't prevent you guys from tossing your toys out of the pram and leading to an appointed umpire being replaced.

Posted by Nish_US on (October 28, 2011, 15:11 GMT)

to 5 wombats -- continued..

If you really respect cricket.... that is not the ideal way to treat the recently crowned World champions in one day cricket..

I for one is a cricket lover...while I support Ind team passionately, I do watch well played series between other countries.

I always love closely fought matches with good on-field behaviour and respect for your opponents..

But the way Eng reacted to the series and still the way they do to this series... for the first time I wanted to see a 5-0 white wash...

On the final note... If you truly love cricket, you will love and most importantly RESPECT.. I repeat RESPECt.. every format of it...and will truly enjoy it....whether it be T20, Oneday, test.. or even a tennis ball tournament happening in the next street... Thats the sheer brilliance of this sport.

Posted by Nish_US on (October 28, 2011, 15:10 GMT)

5wombats -

As an Indian living in US for the last 12 years, I still follow and for the most part watch live test cricket all the 5 days (even took days off from work to watch the IND-ENG test series - I had to cancel our trip down to Florida in Oct)...

We do not disrespect test cricket at all... The England test series was really a wake up call especially to the BCCI and selection committee....

May feel like excuses to you... but with a little bit of resource management and planning, Ind would have given a tough fight in that series.. The talent and committment is there from the players...if you look at the way praveen and Ishanth bowled.... and the way Dravid batted...

But the way the Eng commentators handled it on live TV, and Eng fans reacted on this forum, has really hurt the feelings of billions of Indians...which is causing this huge outrage...

You can see it in the way Ravi Sastri does the post match presentation. Please publish.....

Posted by Nish_US on (October 28, 2011, 14:14 GMT)

to 5 wombats -- continued..

If you really respect cricket.... that is not the ideal way to treat the recently crowned World champions in one day cricket..

I for one is a cricket lover...while I support Ind team passionately, I do watch well played series between other countries.

I always love closely fought matches with good on-field behaviour and respect for your opponents..

But the way Eng reacted to the series and still the way they do to this series... for the first time I wanted to see a 5-0 white wash...

On the final note... If you truly love cricket, you will love and most importantly RESPECT.. I repeat RESPECt.. every format of it...and will truly enjoy it....whether it be T20, Oneday, test.. or even a tennis ball tournament happening in the next street... Thats the sheer brilliance of this sport.

Please publish....

Posted by Nish_US on (October 28, 2011, 14:06 GMT)

5wombats -

As an Indian living in US for the last 12 years, I still follow and for the most part watch live test cricket all the 5 days (even took days off from work to watch the IND-ENG test series - I had to cancel our trip down to Florida in Oct)...

We do not disrespect test cricket at all... The England test series was really a wake up call especially to the BCCI and selection committee....

May feel like excuses to you... but with a little bit of resource management and planning, Ind would have given a tough fight in that series.. The talent and committment is there from the players...if you look at the way praveen and Ishanth bowled.... and the way Dravid batted...

But the way the Eng commentators handled it on live TV, and Eng fans reacted on this forum, has really hurt the feelings of billions of Indians...which is causing this huge outrage...

You can see it in the way Ravi Sastri does the post match presentation. Please publish.....

Posted by   on (October 28, 2011, 13:28 GMT)

@5wombats Well of course Its clearly visible that you are an die hard FAN of English team. Whats your opinion and review about the eng - ind ODI series held in India? What went wrong with the english players? Also I becoming of fan(saying it from heart) of you. Though i dont like england players for their rude behaviors i like collingwood and strauss for their talent. If you have any twitter link pls share it so that we will follow you. Pls Publish.

Posted by   on (October 28, 2011, 13:27 GMT)

@5wombats Well of course Its clearly visible that you are an die hard FAN of English team. Whats your opinion and review about the eng - ind ODI series held in India? What went wrong with the english players? Also I becoming of fan(saying it from heart) of you. Though i dont like england players for their rude behaviors i like collingwood and strauss for their talent. If you have any twitter link pls share it so that we will follow you.

Posted by Big_Poppa_94 on (October 28, 2011, 13:19 GMT)


Posted by Big_Poppa_94 on (October 28, 2011, 13:17 GMT)

@JG2704 @5wombats Both of you should check out this website. It is proof that England fail epically.


Posted by dicky_boy on (October 28, 2011, 12:05 GMT)

Well Yorkshire lad I accept we never won in Australia but we improved there last two times the score was 1-1 which Australia saved on the last day of the last test and next series Australia won 2-1 but everyone knows the Sydney disaster with umpires, Well what I am saying we are really hurt when some people say it was just a world cup win at home, fyi we are the first home team to win a world cup and the indian team is useless abroad not considering our results in southafrica, nz , wi and everyone going on and on about india not winning in aus but we play very less there compared to the englishteam

Posted by dicky_boy on (October 28, 2011, 11:39 GMT)

Well mr wombatt , what great philosophy we never said we don't like test cricket, we were no one for twenty two months longer than the England team will ever. Be lol but it was the the English fans who disrespected the odi format infect people were saying it is just a world cup no one cares bla bla what GARBAGE haha the England team does not have the skill in Odis the England captain and England coach Andy and also Michael Vaughan accepted that , the Indian fans never said we don't like test cricket, it was English fans including you saying that you don't like odi and the world cup.

Posted by A_Yorkshire_Lad on (October 28, 2011, 10:27 GMT)

@ dickyboy . What's your problem , my friend ? All I was doing was asking a simple question to somebody but since you've decided to throw in your two penn'orth , perhaps you can answer it then - when was the last time India won a test series , not on Mars or Jupiter , but in Australia ? @CandidIndian - " we are not [at] all cocky or carried away by this whitewash " , well , looking at the majority of posts made by Indians in this forum , I think you are very much in the minority , I'm very much afraid to say ! Dhoni and Fletcher ( and your good self ) have stated the irrelevance of the word ' revenge ' but , again , those words have been largely ignored ( and indeed trodden on ) by a lot of people on here . I think that what irritates most of the England fans on here is the way that so many Indian fans seem to find it so hard to accept being beaten - they almost seem to say that India should NEVER loose , as if that would be breaking the law almost. Anyway , Best Wishes to you Sir !

Posted by JG2704 on (October 28, 2011, 10:12 GMT)

@5Wombats - thanks for the comms. You think you quash one debate and then you find your comms (when posted) rec no counter response. I think Juiceoftheapple has it right in his comms re sensible debating but I guess we can't help ourselves. Out of interest (presuming you've been on here for some time) what were other nations fans like towards England fans - esp Australia who are historically our biggest rivals? I'm afrais I've not long discovered the forums on this site but there didn't seem any hostility whatsoever on the domestic boards and only one really daft comment on the aftermath of the SA/Aus 1st ODI.

Posted by JG2704 on (October 28, 2011, 10:11 GMT)

@dicky_boy - I don't think there is anyone on these boards who has gloated about winning an ODI series against a poor ODI such as England. In fact many Indians have said how bad England are in that they lost to Bangladesh and Ireland in the world cup but then if England are that terrible why are people like you getting so excited about thrashing us? It's not like you're thrashing the number one side in the world. Yes , you're absolutely correct about testcricket history and India were just having a break from taking the game seriously this summer - right? FYI we were thrashed by Aus for 18 yrs which ended in 2005 when we won 2-1 vs a still great Australian side. In 2009/10 when we won 3-1 in Aus ,it wasn't a depleted Aus side - just that Mcgrath and Warne who were so crucial to Aus had retired and they have still not been replaced with like for like quality.

Posted by JG2704 on (October 28, 2011, 10:11 GMT)

@CandidIndian - Fair play to you for your honesty. Re the few of us who are fighting England's corner are trying not to be disrespectful by ramming the last test series down anyone's throat but there's only so much trash we can deal with before countering. Had the Indian fans (and I obviously don't include your good self) been the slightest bit gracious in defeat then we'd see no need to rub anything in. Even if Indian fans just say I think we'll get the better of you in the next series , we'd be cool with that , but there is a real undercurrent of gloating about thrashing us in a format we're very much lacking in

Posted by JG2704 on (October 28, 2011, 10:11 GMT)

@Meety - Yes the ODI's was what this thread was supposed to be about , but when you get certain people posting trash about England not deserving their number 1 spot and India's injuries to players (with the exception of Z Khan who didn't prove anything either way as he took 2-19 in the 1st test but was wicketless vs Somerset) who when called upon were at best rubbish , then a few of us feel the need to defend our team. The team did indeed say they wanted to become nr 1 in all forms of the game - If an England player is asked about ambitions then he's going to say that the team want to achieve number 1 status in all 3 formats and mentioning Aus and WI (70s/80s) is just a benchmark of what they want to do. They're not saying they're there yet and know they won't be anywhere near until they dominate for a period of time themselves

Posted by JG2704 on (October 28, 2011, 10:11 GMT)

@Man007 - What do you call recent times? England beat Pakistan in 2000 /01 in Pakistan and since have played one series where they lost by one test in 2005-6. So you're basing the norm on a one off series which happened over 5 years ago then - that would sound about right. Also re your response to 5Wombats , again more excuses for some more of your defeats. I could say that everytime we've been on the subcontinent we've been without first choice players. I know Trescothick (who was at the time one of our premier team members) had to leave the Indian tour of 05/06 with chronic depression . Facts are facts , you beat us 5-0 in the most recent OD series in your country and we beat you 4-0 in the most recent test series in England. Oh and yes we are at 1 by the narrowest of margins and if India had been competitive they'd still be at 1 rather than at 3

Posted by bobmartin on (October 28, 2011, 8:36 GMT)

Posted by Navaneeth47 on (October 28 2011, 05:33 AM GMT)

"This is all over for England. . They r going to come to India next year. .And then they are going to tour Pakistan & Srilanka all havin subcontinent conditions. . If they perform in the same manner they ll reach the bottom soon. . THe chances to hold The no 1 test spot is still in doubt for England." Two points to make about this ridiculous post. 1) There is no doubt about England's number 1 spot. If you think I am mistaken, go look at the official ICC test rankings table. 2) In order for England to try and maintain their ranking, they will fight a whole lot harder against those countries than India did in their pathetic capitulation against England.

Posted by 5wombats on (October 28, 2011, 7:44 GMT)

EXTREME DISRESPECT is being shown to Test Match cricket by many fans on many of these forums. This is what is driving the wombats wild. Team India showed up in England and did not take it seriously. Plenty of people are busy quoting back comments - but for the sake of Test match cricket -The Greatest Game DO NOT dismiss or discount or excuse or say that poor performances in Test Matches don't matter. If you excuse losing in Test Matches - if you say "it doesn't count" - then you are dismissing Test Match cricket as irrelevant. Test Match cricket IS relevant and must be defended. To see so many "fans" try to defend and excuse indias poor test match attitude this summer is wholly unacceptable. To take an attitude which says "test matches only matter when India win and when they lose it doesn't matter because we have an excuse" disrespects the true nature of Test Match cricket. Indias attitude to Test cricket in the Summer cannot and must not be defended or excused. My final word. Plz pub

Posted by dicky_boy on (October 28, 2011, 6:53 GMT)

When did it happen that a Brit. Starts using Australia for proving something instead of his own ,we asked you about ur performance in our conditions not in mars or jupiter Mr Yorkshirelad it shows you have no pride left , that's why using australia

Posted by   on (October 28, 2011, 6:02 GMT)

i wont say england gave the worst part...but india just proved, they too strong enough in home soil far better than england...all these criticism are just a reflection that we indians got in england tour... i am still unhappy bcoz we should have won the england tour too, as being a world champions..


Posted by Navaneeth47 on (October 28, 2011, 5:33 GMT)

This is all over for England. . They r going to come to India next year. .And then they are going to tour Pakistan & Srilanka all havin subcontinent conditions. . If they perform in the same manner they ll reach the bottom soon. . THe chances to hold The no 1 test spot is still in doubt for England. .

Posted by muthuthewaves on (October 28, 2011, 3:30 GMT)

@5wombats dont stop commentin. I can see many mentionin ur name and its real fun to read ur comments. So v dont want to miss our fun box. So keep goin we expectin more from u.

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas_Atheist on (October 28, 2011, 1:27 GMT)

Guys chillax a bit. Shall we? We were beaten fair and square by England in Test Matches when we toured England. Likewise, England were beaten fair and square by India on this tour. This success at home doesn't prove anything about our all round worth. But it proves that England are still no good on conditions alien to them and this should be their main future concern. India was no good in England but I'm not very much worried because we have had lot of success on seamer friendly tracks all over the world unlike England on the subcontinent tracks. So, let's move on by taking a bow to the fine seam and swing bowling of Broad, PK and Anderson in England and respect the delicious knocks of KP, Dravid, Bell, Cook, Prior and Broad without castigating England for winning at home. They are a talented bunch and let us hope they (especially KP, Bell and Trott) play well on our challenging tracks the next time they get a chance to play on our soil. Enough of this India-England bashing guys.

Posted by JG2704 on (October 27, 2011, 22:19 GMT)

@bobmartin - May I add also that cricket is the number 1 sport in India . Cricket - although on the rise again due to England's success - is still nowhere near as popular as football. I reckon it also lags behind both forms of Rugby

Posted by Nish_US on (October 27, 2011, 19:47 GMT)

to 5wombats:

I am sorry if I've asked the wrong question. Please provide your prediction for the ENG-IND test series in India in 2012.

As far as the AUS series is concerned, its a whole different story altogether, that is best discussed with the fellow Aussie fans.

Posted by Nish_US on (October 27, 2011, 18:16 GMT)

to 5wombats ---

I'm sorry if I asked the wrong question. I would like to have your prediction for ENG-IND test series next year. Just for that series, looking at the way the two teams played in different conditions in 2011 so far.

As far as Aus tour goes, I guess thats a different story altogether and I will take that up with the Aussie fans.

Posted by CandidIndian on (October 27, 2011, 16:07 GMT)

5wombats-Hey mate, since i can see things heated up yet again,so i am repeating what i wrote after every test and ODI this English summer that is India were completely outplayed by England, no excuses ,nothing.I am with Dhoni and Fletcher on this, Dhoni stated that the word revenge is totally irrelevant here ,also he highlighted the fact that India has to improve vastly on their fast bowling and fielding.So the point is we were outplayed ,thrashed, whatever we can call it in England and the obvious flaws which came out should be taken care of before tour down under.I hope things are going in right direction so that we can see good fighting test cricket in India-Eng series which is scheduled to happen next October.We are not at all cocky or carried away by this whitewash of England in this ODI series,we very well know the challenges ahead.I am not making any predictions at all, but surely things will improve in Aus for us.Best wishes.

Posted by   on (October 27, 2011, 16:06 GMT)

@A_Yorshire_Lad: the answer is Dec/Jan 2011/12 series............. :)

Posted by RajuallenEmanuel on (October 27, 2011, 16:02 GMT)

I think its time for the indian selectors to give a fair bit of run for young seem bowlers and spinners in the longer format as well. It will be a brave decision by the selectors to leave out Harbajan from Test side against WI, but it will ignite the flame of new bunch of fit and energetic young bowlers. Ashwin,Yadav and Aaron Should be playing In the test series against WI at Home. They will surely lead India To Win In Australia nd Take India To Regain Our Top spot In Test. If we seed tem against WI, tey ll be a delicious fruit In Down under for sure. Hard Choice to leave out Leading Spinner but never the less Team will be Benifited. If Harbajan is in 15 men squad u can't leave him out from playing 11,bcz it may raise many question. So wright choice is to leave Harbajan and Mishra Out Of The Squad and rest PK. Pick Ojha,Ashwin,Yadav,Aaron,Vinay. Give a final chance for irfan and RP. If tey regain their form tey wil be handy In OZ series with Irfan as Bowling All-rounder.

Posted by Big_Poppa_94 on (October 27, 2011, 15:28 GMT)

@5wombats Are you really sure about that? I believe Australia won't win the series. They're not as strong (still strong at home) as before. I predict a 2-1 series win for India, with the other match drawn.

Posted by A_Yorkshire_Lad on (October 27, 2011, 12:22 GMT)

@Everybodylovessachin - Yes , India did indeed defeat England in the 2007 test series in 2007 ( I was at the test at Trent Bridge ) - an indisputable fact that I cannot argue with , once again no problem there . Please tell me , though - when WAS the last time that India won a test series in Australia ? And please answer with a fact , not an opinion

Posted by 5wombats on (October 27, 2011, 12:21 GMT)

@EverybodylovesSachin; EXCUSES... "all major players are not in England.." GARBAGE!!!! Major players like - er.. Tendulkar - who played in all the Tests, Laxman - who played in all the Tests, Dhoni - who played in all the Tests, Raina - who played in all the Tests, Sharma - who played in all the Tests, Dravid (the only Hero india had) - who played in all the Tests, Gambhir - who played in 3 Tests, Sreesanth - who played in 3 Tests, Sehwag, who played in 2 Tests. All the major players were injured were they? RUBBISH. Stop hiding behind these pathetic excuses. @Nish_US; here's my prediction for the Aus V ind Test series = india won't win a Test match in Australia. When that happens, and it will, England fans will be told that this is because Australia are back to full strength, and that England were lucky to catch Australia when they did. And one other thing @Nish_US - I saw a lot of indian fans come on here making predictions about india in England - they were most unwise.

Posted by dicky_boy on (October 27, 2011, 12:16 GMT)

Well said mr MAN007 I am sure mr wombatt and mr jg2704 will not reply and again say We won in Australia blah blah after 2 decades of thrashing lol

Posted by dicky_boy on (October 27, 2011, 12:11 GMT)

MR JG2704 And finally nothing classy about mr wombats comments All are baseless and selectively never says anything about subcontinent and spinning tracks After winning against a weakened Australia and injury plagued India just mentioning these two Atleast our batsmen have the class to play seam as they drew in sa and won before in England , but England just can't play spin period they never did and looks like they never will , so please don't talk about class, espn please publish

Posted by dicky_boy on (October 27, 2011, 12:07 GMT)

And so mr jg2704 there is nothing classy about going on and on about winning one series after being thrashed for twenty years And mr India was a serious cricket nation only since 1980 or so ok so just.because the English started the game and so were playing since 150 years and so will have a better. History when teams are starting the game , now you will have a better history with Ireland now but after 50 years when they start beating you ( provided you don't take their players ) its not fair comparing history before they were a serious crixketing nation

Posted by CandidIndian on (October 27, 2011, 11:53 GMT)

Why this hype about revenge and all guys?lets analyze something important.India lost test series to England in 1996,managed to draw series in 2002 and then won in 2007, that was good improvement step by step .However i was their whole English summer and saw India getting thrashed in England and i wondered why Indian cricket is going backwards,so its a bit too much to claim this whit-wash win as revenge.This is because first of all India didnt have to prove any point in India, whole world knows they are almost unbeatable at home World cup victory proves that.My main worry is how the preparations are for tour down under, in tests scoreline is 1-1 and 2-1 from last two series.Also in ODIs we lost badly in VB series in 1999, made it to finals in 2004 and then won in in 2009, its again improvement step by step.So main challenge ahead of us is not to go backwards like we did in England but to do well in Australia.So its better to give up this word REVENGE ,we are not in a position to brag

Posted by sanjaycrickfan on (October 27, 2011, 11:02 GMT)

England struggle outside home. They are also a very poor ODI side and abysmal in the sub continent. They won only 1 out of all the 19 ODIs they played against India in India. Quite dismal for a test playing nation.

Posted by EverybodylovesSachin on (October 27, 2011, 10:53 GMT)

A_Yorkshire_Lad can't argue with the facts , no problem there. Tell me ,But I can tell you on thing India did win series in England in 2007.. Looks like they will win in Australia when series starts in December 2011 if all major players are not injured..not like in England..

Posted by puneet_usa on (October 27, 2011, 10:46 GMT)


Posted by   on (October 27, 2011, 10:45 GMT)

How about this then you fans of (in your own world) the great Indian test team... Your very own broadcaster's fear that India may not be in the top 4 of the ICC rankings by 2013, has caused the ICC to rethink the Test Championship that was to be held that year. There's confidence for you.

Posted by Fast_Track_Bully on (October 27, 2011, 10:23 GMT)

@JG2704. The same is the stats of Indian team abroad. In the last 3-4 yrs India won series against Eng (1-0) NZ(1-0) WI (1-0) drawn SA (1-1) down to Aus (1-2) and hence India got the no:1 status (AWAY SERIES ONLY) ...and England lost to WI(1-0) Ind (1-0) SL(1-0) and won against NZ and AUS (where the conditions are similar in England!)...So nothing much to hype on your no:1 stats...first won a series in sub continent and argue!

Posted by JG2704 on (October 27, 2011, 10:05 GMT)

@Divinetouch - well done for pointing out England's last failure in the test arena. And I suppose your piece of selective history yet again proves that India are currently better than England. Let's see how England fare next time they play test cricket in the subcintinent and - I know this is a huge ask - for once let's not have any injury/rain/toss excuses - whoever wins.

Posted by JG2704 on (October 27, 2011, 9:57 GMT)

@ Posted by on (October 26 2011, 06:07 AM GMT) - I think you are getting confused here. When India win , they are the best in the world and when they lose it's the conditions , weather , injuries , toss , wind direction etc. Unless you are saying that those commenting on these boards do not represent the Indian fans as a whole? You could count on the fingers of one hand the Indians who have said they were outplayed by England in the test series in England , without mentioning ifs,buts etc.

Posted by JG2704 on (October 27, 2011, 9:56 GMT)

@dicky_boy -. 5Wombats was saying clearly that 2007 has absolutely no bearing on current cricket matters. The whole 2000s decade India came out on top by an aggregate of 3 tests in 5 series - 3 of which were in India and not one series waswon by more than a single test. It's hardly dominant like many Indian fans make it out to be. Also you yourself (among others) are being very selective over the cricket history as the overall record in tests between the 2 countries is 103 tests with India winning 19 , England winning 38 and 46 drawn. So surely you would either go for very recent history (as in the last year) or overall history. That is unless you were trying to be selective about it to suit your argument.Also no need to write things in caps to try and prove a point. Just highlights your lack of class. Please post ESPN

Posted by Juiceoftheapple on (October 27, 2011, 9:56 GMT)

@JG2704 & @5Wombats. Since the end of BBC 606 any idea where England fans can have a sensible debate about our cricket team?

Posted by JG2704 on (October 27, 2011, 9:52 GMT)

Many posts saying categorically that Eng can't play in Subcontinent. Did some research on this. Since 2000 Eng toured India 3 times drawing 1 series and losing the other 2 by a single test. In Pakistan they played 2 series and won one and lost another , both by a solitary test so come out level. In Sri Lanka Eng won in 2000/01 lost in 03/04 and 07/08 , on each occasion by a solitary test match. So over an aggregate of 8 series England are down by 3 tests , hardly massive dominance. Also England were nowhere near challenging to be top of the test rankings in any of those series. Personal has changed on both all sides eg v SL 1997 there were 4 Eng players who currently play today and we all know how big a player Murali was for SL. Another eg is Australia. In 2006 we were pummeled 5-0 and 4 years later Aus lose Warne/Mcgrath and Eng beat Aus 3-1 on the same Aus pitches.So many factors to take in. It just seems really generalistic to say Eng can't play tests on SC based on these facts.

Posted by Full-Blooded-Wallop on (October 27, 2011, 9:17 GMT)

@mojo- India indeed played well against newzealand and australia. England was one off series. Very simple fact-- First series loss of dhoni as a captain in more than 30 isn't a mean feat, right? Regarding pakistan, the less said the better, first try winning a match against us! :P

Posted by   on (October 27, 2011, 9:04 GMT)

@5wombats: to refresh your memory...

India lost to zim with it's B team but world cup 211 remember the england team with the world's best pace attack,best spin bowler and best batsmen failed to defend 329, failed to take 10 bangladesh wickets and then blown away by lankans by 10 wcts.. really astonishing figures for world's best bowling attack and no.1 team as far as your no.1 test status : njoy till you have no test series or pray for no no test series outside england for next 5 yrs so that you can stay no.1 for a long time then.

Posted by 5wombats on (October 27, 2011, 9:00 GMT)

@Divinetouch - and that proves what exactly? How did india get on in their most recent tours of South Africa, England and Australia? Stop making excuses - stop trying pretend the india tour of England in 2011 didn't happen or in some way doesn't count. It DOES count. If memory serves india hugely disrespected the passionate West Indies cricket fans by turning up in the West Indies with a half strength team. They said they were "resting key players". Then, incredibly and unbelievably, when india moved on to England - somehow these key players were "unfit"! No, india key players weren't unfit - they were outplayed. That is what happened in the real world - the better team beat india. Not possible to hide behind the excuse you are trying to give. Stop trying to pretend that because india beat WI this means the disastrous india tour of England 2 months ago "doesn't count", and that inspite of being crushed 4-0 india are still, somehow, "the best team in Tests". Scoreboard says otherwise.

Posted by   on (October 27, 2011, 8:49 GMT)

@5Wombats...mate, I apologize for the comments passed by my raging fellow Indian supporters...Guys, who doesn't lose??? Is England an exception??? And for my English counterparts & did win something on this tour....lift up your head high and say "we won the toss 4-1" ROFL.

Posted by A_Yorkshire_Lad on (October 27, 2011, 8:20 GMT)

@Everybodylovessachin - true , England haven't won a series in India in 27 years - can't argue with the facts , no problem there. Tell me , when was the last time India won a test series in Australia ?

Posted by A_Yorkshire_Lad on (October 27, 2011, 7:47 GMT)

@5Wombats Well said mate but I fancy that you're just wasting your time with this lot. Let these people enjoy their ' revenge ' , as they obviously crave it SO MUCH ! One small crumb of comfort is that it will be the same people clamouring for yet more ' revenge ' when their team limps back from Australia after having being given a right seeing-to - nothing is more certain ! Cheers !

Posted by spiritwithin on (October 27, 2011, 7:40 GMT)

@brittop..''Actually it should have been 1-1 in 2007. India's last wicket clung on in the 1st test, and everyone knows Sreesanth should have been given out - umpires helping out India''--another excuse from an english fan-umpires helping out india..u easily made it 1-1 based on ur perception,how about 2-1 in favor of india then cos eng were lucky to survive against india in Oval in 2007 when dravid did'nt asked eng to follow on and they escaped,there is no if's & but's in cricket

Posted by spiritwithin on (October 27, 2011, 7:34 GMT)

@5wombats,u seems to have only one data of india's away odi record i.e india's two loss in zim,lol too funny,around the same time india did won in aus(CB series),in nz,in sl,lost a closely fought series in SA by 2-3,won asia cup in SL and so on,btw the indian team which lost in Zim missed nine first choice players at that time,regarding englands away record winning ashes in aus was great but one series does'nt prove anything on away record,english fans like u have a fixated mindset on one series,they starts proclaiming themselves as best based on one series,they starts calling themselves as best away team based on one series,they judge other teams on one series,HILARIOUS..Eng won in aus at their weakest period during which Aus also lost to SA,we d know how ur team fared against aus when they ruled cricket and india did way better in aus at their peak,we also know how eng lost in WI,in Ind,in SL,and lucky to survive in SA where 2tests were drawn courtesy last wicket pair..bitter truth

Posted by Meety on (October 27, 2011, 6:57 GMT)

@ JG2704 - "No one has seriously been comparing our side to the Australia test side of the 90s/2000s" - mate there has been plenty of attempts to compare Englands recent success & the Oz & WIndies sides of the past. Ranging from bloggers to writers like Rob Steen. Even the English cricketers have talked about aura's & being #1 accross all 3 formats. As for holding the #1 spot - it depends on the upcoming middle eastern/asian jaunt your boys will be undertaking. The signs aren't great, I don't buy into England can't play well away from home, that's crud, but I do believe there are some weaknesses against spin that will blunt the recent surge. Also as far as ODIs, which is essentially what the thread is suppose to be about, England will remain crap at ODIs, (despite having talented options across the board), because your Domestic comp is only a 40 over duration. The move to 4 day FC cricket a while back was the stepping stone from the abysmal 90s in tests, 50 over domestic comp likewise.

Posted by navy_fan_of_warrior_prince on (October 27, 2011, 6:53 GMT)

if england does not care abt the odi, will they skip d world cups in the coming years?? i think they shud,,

Posted by   on (October 27, 2011, 6:11 GMT)

lets clear the term alien conditions shall we.. For subcontinent countries like India, SL, Pak and Bang the conditions in Aus, Eng, NZ, SA,WI and Zimb/Kenya are alien and different.(All are bouncy/seamy/fast pitches)

For countries Aus,Eng, NZ, SA,WI and Zimb/Kenya the conditions in India, SL, Pak, Bang and Emirates are alien conditions.(All are slow, spin friendly, low bounce pitches)

If Eng goes to Aus and win some matches and say they are doing good away from home, well its no different from home conditions at all..The only difference is the crowd support. Just see how subcontinent countries adapt to bouncy wickets. If one see the finalists of WC lately India/SL 2011, SL/Aus 2007, Ind/Aus 2003, Pak/Aus 1999 etc.. Subcontinent teams adapt well than the others. Period.

Posted by mojo121 on (October 27, 2011, 5:44 GMT)

If India is really good team why they cant play good in England,Australia and newzealand,They should play Pakistan in T20,one day and test cricket than i will say they are good

Posted by Fast_Track_Bully on (October 27, 2011, 5:05 GMT)

@5wombats. OK. Agreed .India lost to ZIM in ZIM. ( I can find only few regular players - Raina, Harbhajan, Kohli- in that team.ok, what ever may be the reason). What happened to your team which lost against BD and Ireland in the WC? Ireland is an associate team! and BD only won against ur team and Ireland in the WC!. Even you played with regular players and still lost it? Indian has a reason of experimental team with juniors regarding that series, whats your reason?

Posted by BigDataIsAHoax on (October 27, 2011, 5:04 GMT)

Let me be clear. Currently, there is no team that is undisputed world #1 in test matches. Definitely not England. They will be brutally hammered in 2012, just like they got the pasting in ODIs now.

Posted by Fast_Track_Bully on (October 27, 2011, 4:56 GMT)

@brittop. In that case, the current no:1 team England yet to win a test series in India, SL or Pakistan in recent whats ur point in winning ashes and being number 1??? You played all those matches in a familiar the criticism against India is applicable for your team too!

Posted by rhtdm302 on (October 27, 2011, 4:14 GMT)

I am a big English Cricket Fan, English should stop playing cricket again worthless teams, They should play only against Australia, Ashes every month with only Tony Greig doing the commentary, They should stop playing outside of England. They don't need teams like India. England have always been no 1 in Cricket and all the other sports. The Father, Mother and Grand Father of Cricket come from England, To all my English brothers, Don't worry we were and always will be No 1. The History is with us.

Posted by   on (October 27, 2011, 3:43 GMT)

@5wombats--- you have no idea what kinda team went to zimbabwe...even if they lost, it wasn't even the B was more like the indian C team which went there__and apart from that.. england did perform well in Ashes but it was an australian team which was re-establishing itself...they had a rough patch and now when they are back to normal..i can bet, england can't defeat them plus...letz say that Indians are good at home...atleast we have that quality....we have never been defeated 4-0 in an ODI series__And by that..i was talking about SOuth Africa defeating england mercilessly...and atleast our ODI matches in England went down to the final balls...England couldn't even manage to play 35 overs in most of the matches___Any Indian school cricketer can handle this spin better than England batsmen--NO offence but what we are fighting about is irrelevant__just check india's away stats in recent years and your illusion will vanish!

Posted by Divinetouch on (October 27, 2011, 2:35 GMT)


Where did India play before going to England in 2011? Jamaica and Barbados amongst other grounds are in the West Indies. Did India not win in the West Indies?

How did England do when they last visited the West Indies? They lost to the West Indies right.

Posted by Nish_US on (October 27, 2011, 2:19 GMT)

To 5wombats - Can you please provide your expert prediction on IND-ENG test series in 2012?

Posted by Nish_US on (October 27, 2011, 2:12 GMT)

To 5wombats...

Can you please give your expert prediction on the IND-ENG test series in 2012?

Posted by EverybodylovesSachin on (October 27, 2011, 2:12 GMT)

England really struggle outside home and in India the most..They have yet to win Test and ODI series in 27 years..England very poor against spin bowling.

Posted by Indus111 on (October 27, 2011, 0:35 GMT)

Oh my God! Fans bashing it out and misusing all kinds of stats to suit their arguments. Sounds like a normal workday :-). As another fan, bit biased too, I can say: 1- England is number 1 test team, based on on a well known objective matrice. India were number 1 couple of months back based on the same matrice. If you can't win on pitches outside your comfort zone you won't stay number 1, as India proved and England might prove soon. 2- Both India and England have steadily developed a good team over last decade. They both have won several test matches outside their respective countries (in Australia, WI and SA). Anyone caring to read stats properly would know that. 3- India is probably a better one day side than England, but can't claim Number 1 one day team status without winning it. As simple as that. 4- No team is even close to the the status of WI of 80s or Australia of 90s (including WI and Aus). Thats why rankings are shifting so rapidly. All big claims are just ego worship!

Posted by Nampally on (October 27, 2011, 0:04 GMT)

Attacks & counter attacks appear to be going on non stop. The ODI series was over with India winning 3-0 and further reinforced by making it 5-0. The last 2 ODI's in a dead rubber were meaningless. But it appeared that India wanted a 5-0 whilst England wanted at least one win. That did not happen because India won both. There is nothing gained by discussing what happened in the past or what will happen in the future.What has happened in the past cannot be undone. Prediction of Indian performance in Australia is just wishful thinking.Cricket is an unpredictable game as proven by the results of these 2 teams - diametrically opposite at home & away.Both England & India are good teams under conditions favourable to them. That is the only sensible conclusion from the latest results.Let us move on to the final T-20 before bidding England good bye & welcoming the WI team.

Posted by   on (October 26, 2011, 23:58 GMT)

There is some logic to England struggling on the sub continent, and we always will do. The conditions are alien to the players, as we never play in domestic cricket, and pretty much the only visit there is to play international tours. We also have a climate which doesn't encourage spin, it encourages seam which isn't historically match winning in Asia. I believe England have actually always played spin well overseas - bar a couple of series, all Englands other subcontinent tours for 30yrs have only had the odd test in them. Usually the problem England have is bowling the opposition out.

On the same toss of the coin, India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka are far less formidable opponents in England, as the conditions simply are alien too - swinging ball, not used to playing that, and you saw that in the recent series.

History rarely flashes up a side like the 80s WI or 90s/00s Aussies who win everywhere. India were not it as no.1, England currently aren't. Can they be? Time will tell...

Posted by 5wombats on (October 26, 2011, 22:47 GMT)

@JG2704 - man you are AN ACE! Every time I try to converse with you cricinfo doesn't publish. There are sooo many of them and only 2 or 3 of us! Keep going! I'd like to buy you a drink and clap you on the back! @Nutcutlet - thanks for the mention! I did put a long reply to you - but that wasn't published either. Suffice to say - I've dealt with short pitched bowling in Aus - a lot tougher than anything this lot can throw at me!

Posted by dicky_boy on (October 26, 2011, 22:16 GMT)

We failed in England once but otherwise we competed ecerytime last time the series score in Odis 3-2 and this time also we scored 280 average in England and rain blahblah leave it and we almost beat southafricans in their backyard but The English never ever play well in the subcontinent that's why I feel they are not no one material , a champion side can have an off day but they can't lose every time they go to a country

Posted by dicky_boy on (October 26, 2011, 22:12 GMT)

Mr wombat Australia is not away for England , they are essentially the same kind of pitches and so abroad for England is the subcontinent Against the full strength Australian team we drew with them in Australia and last time it was controversially 2-1 everyone knows that , w My point English players don't seem to have the technique to play spin at all

Posted by 5wombats on (October 26, 2011, 21:34 GMT)

@sanjaycrickfan; "England struggle outside home and particularly in the sub continent. Even Zimbabwe are probably better against spinners". Funny guy! indians would know a bit about Zimbabwe and how good they are against spinners. Afterall - wasn't it in Zimbabwe where india lost TWO ODI matches to Zimbabwe? Best not to draw attention to indias away record in this way. The other bit; "England struggle outside home...." Really? Do you call beating Australia 3-1 in Test matches in Australia 9 months ago "struggling"? You must have a different definition of the word. Lets now watch what happens to india when they go to Australia - lets see if india "struggle" there shall we? - In the Test matches in Australia - England certainly didn't struggle, they won 3 Test matches by an Innings. Maybe you didn't know any of this? Look what happened when india stepped away from their home and came to England! Maybe you don't know that either. Look it up.

Posted by JG2704 on (October 26, 2011, 21:29 GMT)

@ RandyOZ - No one has seriously been comparing our side to the Australia test side of the 90s/2000s. Australia were brilliant , there is no disputing than , but then once Warne and Mcgrath retire they are half the force. Australia and West Indies (70s/80s) are the benchmarks for which any number 1 aspires to get to , and right now England are correctly the number 1 test side although I believe SA play Australia before we play another test so the number 1 ranking could go to SA. I (and I reckon most England fans) realise that it is going to be hard to maintain it. Time will tell.

Posted by JG2704 on (October 26, 2011, 21:28 GMT)

@rob_damn - Yeah , really sounds like you're accepting it all gracefully when you start quoting stats from yesteryear. In 2007 we had 6 players in the side who currently play and in 2009 in India we had 8 players who took part in the 2011 series. As posted previously (which I hope gets published) , In the recent Test history between the 2 sides , India 3 out of 5 series (3 or which were at home 1-0) not massive domination is it?. Why do England not deserve to be number 1 in tests? How do you work that out? They aren't number one purely because they beat India 4-0. Someone else at 11.41 posted the series results which got England to that ranking and had India lost 2-1 which was the most realistic/optimistic prediction pre series and had that happened Eng would have meant India retained number 1 status. The fact that you can't accept this says it all re accepting defeat gracefully.

Posted by RandyOZ on (October 26, 2011, 20:57 GMT)

@5wombats - who cares about playing India anyway. It's just another warm up series for the Ashes!

Posted by brittop on (October 26, 2011, 20:33 GMT)

@Balaji Viswanathan: Beating present Australians means nothing eh. I trust you won't make anything of it if India win there then. By the way, Aus just won in SL.

Posted by   on (October 26, 2011, 20:27 GMT)

I can't understand how fans can possibly claim that a series of defeats in a different format of the game by n England team lacking more than half the test side can possibly equate to England not deserving to be world no 1 test side. The stats don't lie. Can anyone explain? To use 2007 as a guide, India won a close test series in England 1-0 in 2007, yet lost the ODI series. Does that mean India didn't deserbve to win the test series and England were better, as thje ODI series followed the tests??? Of course not.

Posted by brittop on (October 26, 2011, 20:05 GMT)

@Prajyoth Pradeep: Actually it should have been 1-1 in 2007. India's last wicket clung on in the 1st test, and everyone knows Sreesanth should have been given out - umpires helping out India!

Posted by JG2704 on (October 26, 2011, 20:03 GMT)

@rob_damn - Yeah , really sounds like you're accepting it all gracefully when you start quoting stats from yesteryear. In 2007 we had 6 players in the side who currently play and in 2009 in India we had 8 players who took part in the 2011 series. As posted previously (which I hope gets published) , In the recent Test history between the 2 sides , India 3 out of 5 series (3 or which were at home 1-0) not massive domination is it?. Why do England not deserve to be number 1 in tests? How do you work that out? They aren't number one purely because they beat India 4-0. Someone else at 11.41 posted the series results which got England to that ranking and had India lost 2-1 which was the most realistic/optimistic prediction pre series and had that happened Eng would have meant India retained number 1 status. The fact that you can't accept this says it all re accepting defeat gracefully.

Posted by Hingland on (October 26, 2011, 19:57 GMT)

well done india for emphatically restoring pride

England have got 99 problems but at test cricket they are still number 1.

Posted by sanjaycrickfan on (October 26, 2011, 19:15 GMT)

England struggle outside home and particularly in the sub continent. Even Zimbabwe are probably better against spinners.

Posted by   on (October 26, 2011, 19:04 GMT)

well English fans and players should stop making excuses stop sledging because that is simply not going to win u matches u don't deserve to be no 1 in test or t20 quite rightly we are going to remove u from no 1 no 3 on sat in test next year maybe not us but sa will take over no 1 from SA Australia are better teams in subcontinent in alien conditions even we are better in Eng SA Australia NZ than u are ind Srilanka Pakistan bang and to all those who are saying India isn't good outside anymore Eng was just a one off we dominated in SA just one exceptional player denied us victory gr8 Kallis and when Eng SA were losing 5-0 3-0 to Australia in Australia we were only team who won a test match(2004 and 2008) and just a good partnership (2004) and horrible umpiring denied us with series wins but 2012 maybe the time team India ROX

Posted by Vidura1 on (October 26, 2011, 18:32 GMT)

Many india fans are getting so carried away. Let us show respect, always. The test comes again in Australia. We must pay mind to what happened in England - Australia will be a difficult challenge, more difficult perhaps.

Posted by T20-champions-2009 on (October 26, 2011, 18:23 GMT)

to hose who say India has a c or d team in England .they should know that Tendulker, yuraj, Zaheer Ghambheer, Viru All were there but In english team No Broad, Andrson, ... I think there will be no more real cricket,,, Again this tour had all its matches PRE PLANNED


Posted by 5wombats on (October 26, 2011, 17:56 GMT)

@ShirkyNaughty; what "away" from home in England are you talking about? Not 2007 surely! In 2004/5 England beat South Africa in South Africa in the Test series 2-1; but you don't hear us telling much about that because it's OLD NEWS. You see, we England fans don't bang on and on about what happened in 1981, 1986/7, 2005, etc. We know our history and can remember things quite well. Such a pity that other people can't even remember what happened 2 months ago, that's if they even noticed it at all. Lots of people are on here saying about Eng losing 5-0 Aus in 2006/7 - it's an old poke, more old news which doesn't even concern india, and india have never ever won a Test series in Aus or SA anyway! They also say; "India and England don't perform well outside their home conditions" - I wonder then how you would describe England beating Australia in Tests in Australia 3-1 in 2010/11? If that is not performing well outside of England then what is? Let us see if india can match that....

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas_Atheist on (October 26, 2011, 17:46 GMT)

What a clueless bunch from England! Really feel very sorry for their wretched batting techniques. Bell should have been given a longer run without any doubt. It might take them may be another century to smell win on Indian soil. I'm sorry to say that but they have near zero application on challenging tracks. It's not always make merry hunky dory monotonous and one paced dead tracks of England you get to play on. I'm of the opinion that Trott, Bell and KP will have to be the torch bearers in negotiating spin on the challenging Indian tracks under the able guidance of Andy Flower, who himself was such a wonderful player of spin. This is unbelievable but SWEET. Now, that the Brits have been roasted on the field and fire crackers have been burnt, it's time to invite them for a dinner off the field, treat them to some nice Indian Sweets and say TATA :) and please do come back again in 2012 for another Diwali ;).

Posted by   on (October 26, 2011, 16:12 GMT)

Well done India as they proved that they are World Champ. The boys responded very well after their baddest defeat In England in recent times. This is called commitment. I found in English team lack of consistency in each department they thought they will beat them easily.

Posted by bobmartin on (October 26, 2011, 16:01 GMT)

@spiritwithin .... But it stands to reason that the higher the population figure, the greater chance there is of finding players with the potential to progress to the highest level. Yes you may never find another Tendulkar, because players like him are few and far between. But in a country such as India, there should be plenty with the potential to be a Dhoni, a Dravid, a Gavaskar, a Kapil Dev, a Ganguly, etc.. The trick is finding them and developing their potential. A country with the population that India has ought to be able to establish an international standard player base of sufficient numbers to turn out two or three teams. Then there would not be the huge gap that was left in the side during the tour of England, when the absence of a handful of the top players caused the side to virtually fall to apart. As Australia found out, failure to prepare sufficient quality players to fill vacancies, however they arise, is costly.

Posted by cricpkpk on (October 26, 2011, 14:51 GMT)

I do not what went wrong for England. From a hero performance in England to zero one in India.

Posted by LeMur on (October 26, 2011, 14:33 GMT)

Well done India on the series win. Lets however put into perspective (ignoring who is number one in which form and who are world champions in which form- btw I am thinking T20 here). 2011 matches against England : 4 tests, 1 T20 & 11 ODIs (one in WC). Results against England : Won 5, drawn 2, 1 No result and lost 8. Finally after a long year you entered the party.

Posted by Vasilev on (October 26, 2011, 14:10 GMT)

England are by far away from being world beaters. Somebody was telling England are world no.1 because of so and so series wins. Now there are too many of "at home" wins in that list and just a single away win against Australia who are no longer as good as they were few years back. So to correct his phrase England are "world no.1 in just rankings". India achieved the number 1 ranking(again it's just ranking) by winning "away" from home in England,WI,SL,Pak,NZ(okay let me not count minnows as he did), a draw in SA, and around the time England recieved 5-0 drubbling from Aus in Ashes, we had 1-2 in a controversial series which could have gone either way. So stop boasting about your team and move on!

Posted by shrastogi on (October 26, 2011, 13:43 GMT)

Most interesting aspect of the game was pitch reading where both teams and even ESPN Commentary team erred. Ravi Shastri kept on saying that India's 270 was a competitive total whereas it was match winning one. This match again showed what has happened in 1996 & 1993. In 1996 India lost to SL spinners in world cup SF by asking SL to bat first and 1993 Hero cup Kumble ran through WI with a 6 wicket haul. It was then surpirisng that Dhoni wanted to bowl first so it was blessing in disguise for India that Cook called correctly. There must be other matches here where chasing team may have won but pitch reading wasnt accurate on the day.

Posted by spiritwithin on (October 26, 2011, 13:39 GMT)

@Ed Waddington..somehow i dont agree with ur view that indian team is undeacheiver simply cos of size of country and player base,to put it simply a country with 10times more player base than others does'nt necessarily translates into each player being 10times more talented,if i m good enough at something it has nothing to do with the size of the country,sachin is a great batsman not cos of india's size but cos of his own talent and hard more resources does'nt mean great performance,for that to happen serious infrastructure sud be there,also cultural factor and many other conditions dictates the performance..talent is everywhere be it in a small nations or large nations,what matters is how those talented players r brought up,choosing 11 players from a base of 20,000 player or from 200,000 player does'nt create much difference if they r product of same methodology,its like saying air is fresher in larger country compared to smaller one

Posted by shradhey on (October 26, 2011, 13:08 GMT)

It will be interesting to see if England could maintain there number one ranking in Test till September 2012. That is 12 months. During this time they will be playing against, Pakistan, Srilanka, West Indies and South Africa. So the main challenge will be Pakistan in neutral ground, Sri-Lanka in Sri-Lanka is always a challenge, West India in England could be easy (but at that lower level of test ranking England will have to defeat West Indies in every game), and final test will be South Africa.

Posted by   on (October 26, 2011, 13:05 GMT)

gr8 series ..congrats india.. i guess the next best thing to focus on is to nurture the young talents.. shield them a bit from the brutal reality till they learn their craft in adapting to the international standards..i guess then are up for the long run.. i had no doubts jadeja and ashwin combo..and they just proved me right..glad to see them hunt in pairs.. i guess we have a set pair of spin bowling dept..their strike rate and avg is impressive.. and u.yadav, aaron have good pace and gr8 stamina..they need a bit of shielding till they are completely ready.. batting looks promising as usual..the kohlli raina gambir, all good ..rahane.. abv avg..sure to be a decent opener in the future.. can try rahul and ojha through a rotation policy.. i guess for sure we can be confident the 2014 team looks a promising thing.. just feed these talents..shield, nurture and need to show lots of love..and give more time for harb.. he needs to get back to basics..period..

Posted by cricketdebator on (October 26, 2011, 12:50 GMT)

The results of recent series have shown that both England and India play their best cricket at home. The just concluded series has shown once again a failure by England to perform creditably in India. I dare say that India's upcoming tour to Australia will be a big test for them, in a country where they have never excelled, and it is a well known fact that Indian cricketers are suspected against aggressive fast bowling. So, it should be interesting to see the Kohlis, Rainas, etc on the fast bouncy wickets of Perth and Brisbane with the ball coming into the rib cage at top pace. In my opinoin, India will prove a point if they win in Australia, bearing in mind England has recently won there comprehensively.

Posted by Haleos on (October 26, 2011, 12:24 GMT)

England can not play spin. Period. They too are lions of their own backyard and similar conditions.

Posted by   on (October 26, 2011, 11:45 GMT)

Incidentally, I've always considered India (speaking about talent base) to be serial underachievers in the world stage. Given the size of the country and player base, compared to - say - the UK and Australia, plus the fact that Cricket is a national obsession (again - in the UK and Aus, the likes of Rugby League and Football are bigger, and Aussie Rules/Rugby Union up there too), then India SHOULD be challenging to be the top size in world cricket and be regularly challenging for and winning WCs. Away series performances, prior to the Ganguly era in the last 10yrs, were woeful (something like 1 series in 15 yrs) for such a country of such talent.

I suspect now the big challenge is the money now involved in CL 20/20; it's not "real" cricket nor does it breed test players; challenge is, will young Indians want to develop to play innings which last a day like Laxman, or aim to earn big money by hitting 30 off 10 balls in a 20/20 game? Interesting.....

Posted by Nutcutlet on (October 26, 2011, 11:44 GMT)

5wombats: you seem to have the floor on cricinfo! What a remarkable number of avid readers (sort of fans, in a way!) you have collected! Do you carry a sharp stick around and poke it into any wasps' nests you happen to come across? It keeps me amused watching the furious debates raging round your comments. Keep posting, please!

Posted by   on (October 26, 2011, 11:41 GMT)

NB @ RFeynan, England are world number one since because losing in the WI in early 2009, they have:- Beaten WI 2-0 at home, Beaten the Aussies 2-1 at home, drawn 1-1 in SA, beaten Bangladesh 2-0 home and away, beaten Pakistan 3-1 at home, beaten the Aussies 3-1 away, beaten Sri Lanka 1-0 at home and beaten India 4-0 at home (who were previously the world no.1 side). Man for man, they are the best side in the world; ODI cricket has no bearing on test cricket. Any England fan can tell you that, in the 80s and 90s we routinely used to win the ODI series against the touring WI and Aus teams - then get thrashed in the tests. If England did play a full test series in India, very unlikely they'd lose 4-0. Would be closer though. For a start, impossible to use the ODI to predict tests; for a start, the test side wouldn't contain 6 of the side who just lost this series. So pretty meaningless.

Posted by spiritwithin on (October 26, 2011, 11:38 GMT)

@karl43..mate when will u fans stops giving excuses? '''eng playing with half strength side and this series designed for india to look better''?? is this the best u came up with??how about india struggling with injuries all through the summer in england?to say that the current eng odi team is half strength is another great joke,eng missed only broad & anderson whereas all other players were available,so thats ur best team,both broad & anderson anyway struggles in ODI's and also in eng they got hammered by depleted indian team in odi series,and dont forget india lost its most impact player in this series-sachin,sehwag,yuvraj,zaheer khan,even munaf patel and ishant got injured..stop giving excuses..winning against india in test series was great but that one series wont make u a champion side either

Posted by rob_damn on (October 26, 2011, 11:21 GMT)

@5wombats... We are gracefully accepting India's defeat in disappointing tour of england this summer... But point here is Are u accepting that England is no good at foreign pitches... and dont deserve to be no. in tests.... One good series doesnt make England "the world beaters"... and swan "the world's best spinner".

And why are u hiding behind the summer of 2011... look at their current performance in subcontinent... Or look at England's performance in last 20 years in India.

Posted by Full-Blooded-Wallop on (October 26, 2011, 11:10 GMT)

@5wombats- How does this august 2011 matter? This is also a RIDICULOUS obsession. Stop hiding behind august and be brave to face and accept what happened in october :)

Posted by VivaVizag on (October 26, 2011, 11:00 GMT)

Normal service resumed...........

Posted by RFeynman on (October 26, 2011, 10:54 GMT)

@5wombats: who has denied the poor performance by India in Eng? Indians are bringing up 2007 and 2002 because you are behaving as if Eng has been the best test team for a long long time. It isn't. I repeat, when India defeated arguably the greatest test team in 2001, it did not become a great team by virtue of one series win then. It isn't a great test team now either. It is you who is gloating that Eng is a great test team because they had a couple of good series wins against Aussies and India. What;s worse you have conveniently forgotten test humiliations Eng had themselves. What do you think will happen if they were to play a full test series in India now? I wish they had. It would have kept you quiet for sometime...

Posted by Naresh28 on (October 26, 2011, 10:43 GMT)

Guys 5wombats has emerged. He still says INDIA only wins and plays in India. Whatever happened to future tours programme? It requires you to play at home and away. Well we have not toured South Africa, Australia, New Zealand, West Indies - we only play at home. Gosh check the statsguru for series. I thought India played the most cricket over the years than most teams?

Posted by dicky_boy on (October 26, 2011, 10:35 GMT)

Mr wombatt LISTEN CLEARLY Cause u r asking what 2007 has got to do with this Let me explain 1. India thissummer in england was just a one off we mean we won last time and we competed well this time in Odis also and we drew in southafrica also so we are equipped to play abroad but English players can't play in Indian pitched 2. On the other hand England is getting thrashed every single time 16-1 now in Odis and no test series win since 1984 NOW DId YOU GET IT , PLEASE DO ASK ANY MORE DOuBTS lol And we want proof that your players can play in spin in India lol

Posted by   on (October 26, 2011, 10:32 GMT)

Well. First of all. Congratulations to team India and happy diwali to all. :) Now to english fans. Yeah you did win 4-0 and 3-0. You get the credits. Yeah you also are the top test team. But! You've only played India and that too in your own backyard. So don't let it get on you. Reaching on top is a small challenge compared to maintaining it. If you could hold that status after a few more series( India did that for around 2 years), then i'd reckon you the best side. And as far as Indian team goes, we needed that 4-0 in England. We were relaxed after our achievements and a shock was needed for us to get to reality and prepare for future. Now in some more time, we'll rebuild our team and reach to top 2 in test rankings. I say top 2 because i believe its not very easy to build a team thats WORLD BEATERS. We'll get to that place as well. And its sports. You can't win all the time. So tough luck to English team. Hope you put up a better fight in future. All the best. :)

Posted by   on (October 26, 2011, 10:27 GMT)

England are currently the best Test team (maybe SA could challenge that). India are clearly the best ODI team, while England just suck at it - always have, probably always will; no-one in England takes limited overs cricket seriously, Test cricket is the be-all-and-end-all (fair enough in my opinion).

Hardly payback though as some Indians are claiming, trounce an Andy Flower-managed England in a Test series then we'll talk about it.

Posted by   on (October 26, 2011, 10:26 GMT)

@5wombats: same holds true for england!!! stop thinking only of 2011 tour only as u said 2007 or 2002 cannot take away your 2011 victory agreed but similarly one tour cannot hide the sorry figure of ur english team

if you are happy to proclaim yourself as No.1 by beating a half strength Indian squad then cheers buddy njoy ur life....

but take into account broader picture... number of world cups for India : 2, for england: 0 number of t-20 cups for India : 1 for england: 1 india no.1 in tests for almost 2 yrs, england hardly 2 months.

Posted by Naresh28 on (October 26, 2011, 10:19 GMT)

Please stop LAMBASTED each other rival fans. When India lost the 1st test in England I posted the comment " YOU WIN SOME AND LOSE SOME" I as an Indian fan am happy that India won ODI games - no matter by what margin. It was not really on to grade INDIA as worse than ZImbabwe or Bangladesh after one series. We are the ODI world champs, we have won a T20 cup (South Africa) and we were the test tops at one stage. Its nonsense to say that we have done it only in India cause we have travelled the world much more than other teams playing execessive cricket over the years. Tendualkar has broken many individual milestones. The process started with Ganguly and passed onto Dhoni. Our talent base is good. We won the Emerging players tournament in AUSTRALIA recently and the U19 tournament in India recently.

Posted by Stark62 on (October 26, 2011, 9:40 GMT)

Is just me or did Eng just choke?


That's what you get for having too many South Africans!!!!

Posted by Itchy on (October 26, 2011, 9:24 GMT)

@Prajyoth Pradeep: "the ball does not even turn there" referring to English conditions. As far as I recall a bloke by the name of Swann has taken a few wockets there and a few years back another bloke by the name of Warne took loads of wickets there as well - both were spinners! India's problem is with fast bowlers - they only have one good one and he is permanently injured.

Posted by Srini_Chennai on (October 26, 2011, 9:22 GMT)

"Thank God, no test series scheduled"-- Cook

Posted by JG2704 on (October 26, 2011, 9:21 GMT)

Just been googling up archive debates from ESPN - It's funny haw the percentage of posts , especially from the gloating Indian fans has dramatically risen. After the final ODI in the England series there were 254 comms - generally a mixture of our fans maybe reading too much into the win and Indian fans coming out with all the excuses which we are the ones accused of. Then you get some Indian fans lambasting the team and even MS Dhoni who I have always thought was a terrific player/leader. As I type this we are now pushing 400 comms of which I'd say 90+% are from Indian fans , many of which were not commenting when India were losing. Also read some of the pre test series comms from Indian fans about our average bowling attack. It's quite interesting. go to for the full archive index -

Posted by 5wombats on (October 26, 2011, 9:19 GMT)

@Sundar Subramaniam - I'm sorry, but what is it with this RIDICULOUS obsession some fans have with 2007, 2002 or any other date from history? It does not and can not change what happened in England in 2011 - 2 months ago. Some truly eye-wateringly RIDICULOUS stuff here. OMG. Stop hiding behind 2007 - man up and accept what happened in England in 2011. 2007 is NOT an excuse! OMG 4-0 in 2011 in England - what more proof do you people need? Ignoring it or talking about 2007 won't make the india tour of England 2011 go away. OMG! Hysterical.

Posted by shivashish on (October 26, 2011, 9:14 GMT)

I agree that problem is not solved.I am very disappointing that england played like this.what we want to see is good competitive matches not like these kind of matches.As far as india is considered i think india has gained nothing from these.india's chances of winning in australia will depend upon likes of sehwag,yuvraj,laxman'sachin and zaheer not with jadeja.vinay kumar,aaron and raina.this was just that kind of unwanted series nobody wanted.even the lowest turnout in the ground is suggesting that.

Posted by Invincibless on (October 26, 2011, 9:13 GMT)

India is hosting Pak in Mar - Apr 2012 for 3 tests and 5 ODIs.. wil be fun to watch and definetly more crowd will turn up....

Posted by karl43 on (October 26, 2011, 8:39 GMT)

To all the indian fans gloating about this 5-0 whitewash..this series has only had minor interest in the uk and this series was only designed to make india look good again following their worst ever tour to the uk where they lost 8-0. This was englands 2nd team with several key players missing the trip and just have a look in the new edition of wisden at your teams utter humiliation in the recent test series before declaring yourselves as the best.

Posted by seeget on (October 26, 2011, 8:37 GMT)

India in England (ODIs) were thwarted by weather, injuries and the weight of the Test format loss (though none of these should be considered an excuse). But Indians took a lot from the England fans at that point. "Poor outside our own country", "aging team", "end of an era", "donkeys on the field", "lucky to win the world cup", "how did they ever get to #1?" etc etc. This list never ends.

So, England fans, man up and get ready to face the music. Payback is sweet, and it's been served cold. Just like rosogollas on diwali :) And after we're all done, you get to clean up.

Second consecutive 5-0 whitewash. Wow! How do you win anything? Maybe rugby or football is your game then... oh, haven't won much there either? Tennis? No English Wimbledon champs in a while? Oh. Um. I think there might be a case for introducing Kabaddi in England.

And agreeing with Tanmoy, someone really needs to interview Naser Hussain about donkeys on the cricket field.

Posted by JG2704 on (October 26, 2011, 8:35 GMT)

@Deepak Odhekar - Not sure where Vaughan is , probably still commentating on the radio. Botham was commentating on Sky and said that England were abysmal. He was not in hiding as anyone who watched the game on SKY will know but I'm sure he wouldn't want to be wasting time trying to constructively debate with a load of petty Indian fairweather fans who seem to prefer to gloat - about beating a team who are midway down the OD rankings table and whose fans by and large have never claimed that they are anything more than a work in progress at this format - rather than just enthuse about their own form. Very poor in defeat and even worse in victory. Apologies to the minority of Indian fans on these boards who are just enthusing about Indias success - please post this ESPN for some balance

Posted by   on (October 26, 2011, 8:29 GMT)

@prozak, If this English team were made to play 4 tests, I'm absolutely certain they will lose it all. Winning against the present Australian team means nothing. Their batsmen are clueless - getting dismissed under 50 overs in almost all occasions. If this English team is so successful in Tests, why they have never won a series in India in 27 years, while India has been successful twice in the past decade in England? In SA, England should have easily gone 3-1 the last time they toured there.

Posted by JG2704 on (October 26, 2011, 8:28 GMT)

@AeyKay - A very small minority of England fans have made excuses. Although we have days when we are a match for anyone in this format , we have many more days when we are woeful. For every one excuse from an England fan for this series we have had a multitude of excuses from a swarm of Indian fans who seem to have reproduced coinciding with India getting back to winning ways. Or are people like you too one eyed to notice what goes on the cricket boards as well as the cricket pitch

Posted by Invincibless on (October 26, 2011, 8:25 GMT)

England whitewashed India again 5-0 in winning toss... despite that failed to win a single match on the tour till now...

Posted by TheUltimateTruth on (October 26, 2011, 8:24 GMT)

@5wombats -- it's sad that an English fan has now been reduced to hoping and praying for Australia to avenge England's defeat by the Indians.

Posted by dicky_boy on (October 26, 2011, 8:21 GMT)

Mr Mohammed ashgar austrlia struggled in India, Ricky pointing and Steve Waugh never won test series in India lol get your facts right

Posted by Juiceoftheapple on (October 26, 2011, 8:19 GMT)

Well played India. Bit too quick after your tour of England imo. And of course no tests. India's young cricketers conclusively beat our new look young ODI side. We apparently have a massive problem against spin in the subcontinent - as you appeared to have against fast bowling in England. After what seems to be a year of locking horns, the football score still reads 2-1 to England. One wonder goal by us, followed by a scrappy goal to go 2-0 up, and at yours, a single wonder goal. But no time left to get the equaliser - yet at least.

Posted by karl43 on (October 26, 2011, 8:05 GMT)

England have looked as though they would rather be somewhere else throughout the whole putting their feet up following months of non stop cricket thrashing india all summer. ..however, you are only as good as your last game and england have now lost 6 international matches in a row..make that 7 in a few days...the good news is that england are currently No1 Test and 20/20 team in the world...good luck to india in australia.

Posted by OnlyKaps on (October 26, 2011, 8:04 GMT)

Does anyone out there believe that either of these series - the one here or the one in England were genuine results ?

Posted by prozak on (October 26, 2011, 7:53 GMT)

very amusing comments. Loads of bitter indian supporters. Face facts. England might be rubbish at ODI but they humiliated england (and my team australia) in the one game that matters, Test Cricket. No amount of hubris will change that.

Posted by dicky_boy on (October 26, 2011, 7:44 GMT)

To all pakistan fans here ur team will whitewash England just make sure u prepare normal pitches, they are a pathetic lot

Posted by   on (October 26, 2011, 7:40 GMT)

its tit for tat,like in england india's whitewash ....eng give us bouncy & green wicket ..& we gave them slow wicket .......

Posted by   on (October 26, 2011, 7:38 GMT)

Well this story of India and England is shame for both of them one by one as "Both" have been white-washed after reaching top rankings... That proves us how efficient was Australia in the recent past when they literally dominate nearly 10 years in every corner of the world (not just "homies") in every conditions..That Australian Team was real professional team, not a bunch of unfocused talent!!

Posted by NP_NY on (October 26, 2011, 7:23 GMT)

@wazza85: Check your stats. India won the last two bilateral one-day series in Srilanka and during their last visit to Australia they beat Aus 2-0 in the best-of-three finals.

Posted by gestapo on (October 26, 2011, 7:20 GMT)

problems are not solved,we only won an ODI series at home. It was just an unwanted series in the middle of nowhere followed by an even more pathetic series that is coming up against the WI. The acid test would be against The Aussies though and if only india can try to soothe the wounds caused in the England tour, that would be in Aus. But to all those English fans who think England is the No.1 test team currently, it is only premature. I bet the English can't win a series in the subcontinent,esp. against India in India.Until they do it, they can't be the numero uno team. And please don't blame the pitches ,dodgy food, dust for the lacklustre show by the English batsmen. Just as the Indian batsmen do not like to face quality seam bowling, the English are poor players of spin bowling. Even the newbie spinners in the indian side can have them for lunch. A Test series in India would have been much more compelling than this meaningless ODI series.

Posted by   on (October 26, 2011, 7:12 GMT)


When was the last time India won a series in England? 2007. I also remember India winning a Natwest ODI series there in 2002. Now when was the last time England won a series of any kind in India? 1985. When was the last time England won a series in Sri Lanka? Yes India were abysmal in this year's tour of England but overall they're much better in England compared to England in India.


If this series didn't matter because England already "proved' themselves, then the England tour didn't matter either because India also proved themselves by winning the world cup and being the no.1 test team for 22 months.

@Milton Mathews

If they play in a neutral country it would still depend on conditions. In subcontinental countries, UAE and the West Indies India would easily beat England whereas in Australia, South Africa and New Zealand England would probably beat India. Still India would put up a better fight in "alien" conditions than England would.

Posted by   on (October 26, 2011, 7:03 GMT)

'ALAS!'tair Cook says India have struggled in our conditions also. Does he forget that India won the previous test series in England in 2007 and should have won that 2-0 had Dravid been more ruthless. Does he forget that India have won one-day series and chased down 300+ targets 3 or 4 times! Does he forget that they won against a rag tag injured-a-day Indian side in England few weeks back.. plus the rain also helped them immensely! Why do these guys cry and whine about conditions..conditions.. conditions. Is England in another planet or what. Their batting conditions in one day matches are the best for batting. The ball does not even turn there. The ball comes at the right height and comes onto the bat nicely. In test matches there are seaming pitches but their batsmen will also have to face the same pitch! Yes England played well in England but Indian injuries and rain helped them greatly. They did not beat India there as India beat them hands down here.

Posted by Rajeevkr on (October 26, 2011, 7:00 GMT)

England's win in England was against an Indian School team...In India, they faced an Indian B team.... Morale of the story... England is not even good against an Indian B team... In England rain played a huge role in the results and the results weren't as massive as they suffered in India...

England in India - Oct 2011

1st ODI:India won by 126 runs 2nd ODI:India won by 8 wickets (with 80 balls remaining) 3rd ODI:India won by 5 wickets (with 4 balls remaining) 4th ODI: India won by 6 wickets (with 59 balls remaining) 5th ODI:India won by 95 runs

India in England-Jun - July2011

1st ODI:No result 2nd ODI: England won by 7 wickets (with 5 balls remaining) 3rd ODI:England won by 3 wickets (with 7 balls remaining) (D/L method) 4th ODI: Match tied (D/L method) 5th ODI:England won by 6 wickets (with 10 balls remaining) (D/L method)

Posted by   on (October 26, 2011, 6:59 GMT)

Milton Matthews' idea is a great one.

Posted by   on (October 26, 2011, 6:56 GMT)

This proves India is the Best ODI Cricket Team in the world.... India's B Team Thrashing England says it all.... Without Top Guns like Sachin,Sehwag,Zaheer,Yuvraj(particularly who plays very well against England),Rohit,Munaf,Nehra,Ishant,Harbhajan etc... Another thing in this series was India won 5 matches and in each match the MOM(Man Of the Match) was different.. Dhoni,Kholi,Rahane,Raina and Jadeja getting MOM respectively.... This shows its completely a team effort... Common Guys lets thrash England in Test series also...

Posted by   on (October 26, 2011, 6:47 GMT)

spare English fans dear fellows...they are lest worried of ODIs, they only worry about tests and they think its the purest form of cricket. still i wonder why should they celebrate England's no.1 position in t-20 format ? which is not purest !

Posted by   on (October 26, 2011, 6:45 GMT)

I met Dermot Reeve and Matthew Hoggard in an Indian pub after the 5-0 drubbing. Dermot's a true gentleman for 3 reasons. Firstly, he rapped for us. Secondly, he was in decent spirits in spite of the loss (he had to commentate through it). Thirdly, coz someone told me he's Craig McDermott and I believed it and actually told him so. He patiently explained who he was and to show how good he really was, told me he played 2 world cups including 92 final and got azhar, kapil and another guy out in 96. Real sweet! Totally humbled!!!

Posted by JB77 on (October 26, 2011, 6:45 GMT)

Well if Ian Bell was the answer to England's problems in this series, England were boned before this game even began. While he hasn't been playing Bell's legend has grown to ridiculous proportions - I've read comments on Cricinfo recently suggesting he's the best batsman in the world at the moment! Bell has never been a good ODI batsman and he has consistently failed to produce runs under pressure. Average 34.04, one ODI hundred in 108 games (although he does bat down the order of course). Bell's ODI career could be summed up as 'Looks good, gets out for 20-30 odd'.

Posted by Gupta.Ankur on (October 26, 2011, 6:28 GMT)

If eng batsmen are even of test quality then they should atleast bat the full 50 overs in atleast 2-3 games....

Secondly, if their bowlers are really world-class then should be able to take wickets anywhere....

Even our young batsmen and bowlers did better in odi's in eng.......if eng management want to ignore their flaws only attributing it to "spin" then............

Posted by Srini_Chennai on (October 26, 2011, 6:26 GMT)

Here is an interesting Stat:C. Kieswetter - South African,Kevin Pietersen - South African,J. Trott - South African,Eoin Morgan - Irish,Andrew Strauss - South African,Micheal Lumb - South African,Matt prior - South African,Ben Stokes - New Zealander,Jade Dernbach - South African,Stuart Meaker - South African plus a few guys of Indian descent. So much for their bench strength lol.

Posted by   on (October 26, 2011, 6:20 GMT)

@5wombats please change ur name to (0-5wombats) .. u insulted many of indian fans when india toured england.. how about the reply from both MSD and our cricinfo users??? .. u better tour bangladesh next time..

Posted by RFeynman on (October 26, 2011, 6:13 GMT)

@5wombats: Why are you so worried about India's tour to Australia? We were competitive against Australia in Australia around the time Eng got "thrashed" 5-0 in ashes. A couple of good test series and now you pretend that ODIs don't matter? Why did the Eng team come 10 days before the ODI series to India "to get used to the conditions" if it didn't matter much? You may not give excuses for Eng's abject. On a similar note, you have tour of Pak coming up. Good luck playing Ajmal and Junaid :) All your delusions about your over-rated team will vapourize. I hope they have rank turner pitches ready for the Poms.

Posted by   on (October 26, 2011, 6:12 GMT)

pre planned games took the juice of the game called cricket, which i loved once

Posted by   on (October 26, 2011, 6:09 GMT)

At the start of this series, eng were in the same high as india were in the begining of the summer in eng.At the end eng are as much battered and bruised as india were by the end of their english summer campaign. There are some similarities in the causes for both teams defeats. 1.A improperly planned schedule.2.key players missing in the visiting side ( though in case of eng in ind, only broad and anderson are missing) 3. underestimation of the home side strengths 4.Home side capitalising on the fielding lapses of the visiting team rubbing salt into the wounds of the visiting team 4. A tired and tardy visiting team. A strong and motivated home team out to prove a point.

Posted by   on (October 26, 2011, 6:07 GMT)

This is the problem with us "Indians". we are still of the belief that the Indian cricket team is not champion side. if it wins we blame favorable conditions. but when it looses because of unfamiliar conditions , we will criticize the team as poor performers.England at least had four batsmen who know the Indian conditions. but think of the Indian team in England. apart from dhoni and gambhir, who was injured half way no body else had ever played in England, that necessitated dravid's inclusion.but Indian performance was way better in England. we had the whether turning a Indian win into a tie.still we managed respectable performances with the bat." there is no denying England played well. but give due credit to any team that plays well. in the odi format India are a formidable side in any condition, given that at least its core side is playing." we are not world champions by chance" india deserves to be the world champions

Posted by JustIPL on (October 26, 2011, 5:56 GMT)

Dhoni came to respite even in England ODIs. ODI performance was different from Tests for India. Still India are not number one in ODIs. The rankings may suffer agian offshore.

Posted by   on (October 26, 2011, 5:56 GMT)

It's so easy to blame the win to winning tosses, like it happened on the first ODI - but England had the advantage the other 4 games .. the best of it being the last one, with overcast conditions and Indian batsmen struggling, until Dhoni came to the fore (as usual in such circumstances). I have never seen an Indian team with such intent to win. Ajinkya Rahane looked very ordinary. Yes, he has skills but what happened to his outburst in the T20 at Old Trafford when he signalled his arrival - he is playing to play long innings and in the bargain loosing focus of the situation. Uthappa would have been a better choice, in my opinion.

Posted by gi.gos on (October 26, 2011, 5:55 GMT)

we have to give rest to doni,raina,kohli and test other's who are in the wings. Below is the team for WI ODI series. pujara,utthapa,mukund,rahane,rohit,manoj,gambhir,yusuf,rayudu,irfan,jadeja,aron,umesh,vinay,aswhin,rahul

Posted by mojo121 on (October 26, 2011, 5:52 GMT)

Weldone India i want Asian teams to play good when they go to England,Australia and New zealand guys dnt fight lose or win is part of the game dnt make it big issue just enjoy the cricket i wish India get ready to play pakistan i love both teams when they play against each others

Posted by   on (October 26, 2011, 5:51 GMT)

welldone Dhoni and company But one player that make difference was none else than RAVINDER JADEJA He was exceftional in every department.

Posted by RandyOZ on (October 26, 2011, 5:37 GMT)

Isn't it hilarious that Andrew Miller goes quiet when England start losing again. Typical English fan. @5wombats I applaud you for continuing your commentry despite a big loss.

Posted by i_witnessed_2011 on (October 26, 2011, 5:26 GMT)

@5wombats: All ur words u said abt Indian cricket and Indian Fans holds good for English Cricket and fans as well. Once Eng starts playing in overseas conditiion, (no matter what format it is) you will see similar results that u just saw in India. Except in Aus ur experience to play in other condition and success rate there is not something to talk abt. SA flight is waiting for u as well. lets see. PS: Please avoid travelling subcontinent , U need to improve lot in playing these conditions. good bye tooo....

Posted by nikkam on (October 26, 2011, 5:26 GMT)

the only aspect of this series was that england never knew when to change gears...there were too many dot balls and not only to spinners...I do not know how they will manage in SL....Cooks first outing in India was a dissapointment but i hope the learning curve is steep...for me as an indian fan...except for mohali there was no thrilling was like india vs. a lower ranked team...not the competitive england team a month ago...they had enough preparation...but were clueless against spin...As india struggled in egland and vice versa it shows that skills of players are depenedant upon conditions...and there is a dearth of genuine talent to play in all conditions....there should be cap on home series such that players get exposed to different conditions and the match can be exciting and not one-sided...anyway a nice diwali gift for the fans...

Posted by screamingeagle on (October 26, 2011, 5:25 GMT)

This one for wombats. Do not worry about the plane to Aus. but do worry about the trips to SL, UAE and SA. In all probability Eng would match their current ODI ranking with their test ranking after these series. As usual Dhoni did have the last word. 16-1. lol. Thats says it all. When you have free time after crying over this tour, do check Indias record in England in the same period. Might make interesting reading. But anyway, you are in denial, so nvm. Will get back to you after the above mentioned series for Eng.

Posted by   on (October 26, 2011, 5:15 GMT)

What is this!, England win against India in England with their deadly fast bowling, India wins in India with their deadly slow spin against England. Well, we would like to see them play against each other in a neutral country. Say U.A.E

Posted by BigDataIsAHoax on (October 26, 2011, 5:14 GMT)

I have a good one. England lost 10 wickets for 47 runs the same day as Zimbabwe who chased down 330 against NZ. Now, England should probably get some Zims in their team. Zimbabwe is near South Africa and you don't have to look far either next time you go to South Africa for recruitment purposes. Cricinfo, please post this. :D

Posted by T20-champions-2009 on (October 26, 2011, 5:14 GMT)



Posted by kmgnath on (October 26, 2011, 5:00 GMT)

After the world cup, Indian players didn't get time to celebrate, everyone was in IPL4. 6+ weeks of IPL4 drained the indian players, meanwhile England players were rested properly and preparing for the big series. Indian players had a honymoon period, just relaxing , partying, visiting friends, relatives.... they didn't even looking after their exercise schedules. IPL4 got them fatig and injuries, many opted to rest for WI tour, thats the time Indian playes had celebration time for WorldCup. England were preparing well all the time to beat the Number 1 test team, but indian players were just relaxing. If India had a resonable preparation before the England series, Indian could have done better, apart from that many were not game fit...partying, business deals, shopping...Zak,Sehwag,VVS,Bujji,Sachin,Gambhir, UV...most of them failed. India was really not in the mood to play that sereis, but England was raring to go. If India had a good few ininngs, things could have been diff.

Posted by licec on (October 26, 2011, 4:52 GMT)

This proves beyond doubt that India's WC win at home was certainly not a fluke. But hey, wait a second, the conditions, every inch of them, were designed so as for them to win. Outside the subcontinent, India would never have won it. Food for thought.

Posted by csuraj on (October 26, 2011, 4:47 GMT)

England should stop playing one dayers.OdI series with India was a waste of time.Even bangadesh or zimbabwe could have performed better than them. Bopara,Bairstow,patel,Finn are a bunch of useless idiots.Even My school team can perform better than them.Don't come back here again with such an ordinary bowling attack.If you guys don't have any good players ,I can lend u some from my school. But I doubt whether any of our players would like play for loosers like you.As for Australia and west Indies,Well-GOD HELP THEM. Prepare to face the wrath of sachin,sehwag,gambhir,dhoni,bhajji,zak,yuvi,aaron,ashwin,kohli.Cheers to India.

Posted by   on (October 26, 2011, 4:46 GMT)

india proved that they are better than english lads as they whitewashed them ,and never forget india tied atleast 1 odi in england but england were kept at bay from winning any single game in india. mohali game was not so close as the required run rate never crossed 11 rpo and india had wickets in tact but games in lods , oval ,cardiff were much closer as they were rain affected

Posted by   on (October 26, 2011, 4:42 GMT)

Well for all those Englishmen who have been feeling grumpy over India's overseas Test record, i found this out. India's overseas record since 2007: Tests Played: 33 Won: 11 Lost: 12 Draw: 10 Win/Loss ratio: 0.91/1. Wins include wins against SA, Aus, SL, New Zealand and SA again. England's overseas record since 2007: Tests played: 28 Won: 8 Lost: 10 Draw: 10 Win/Loss ratio: 0.80/1and 4 of these wins have been after 2010. So whats this huge claim about being deserving Number 1 in tests and all? England has a poorer record than India overseas in this period. The only major thing they have done is beat Australia in Australia and that has put them over the moon! We will all know and see how deserving they are in a very few days. Abu Dhabi is waiting for you boys.

Posted by RandyOZ on (October 26, 2011, 4:41 GMT)

@landl - sour grapes mate? And you thought we had them haha. As expected to everyone but English fans they got belted in the subcontinent and their ODI team is in a shambles. Their bench strength is bordering on pathetic and btw we are still number 1. To think some some English fans compared this pathetic side to the magical Aussie side of the recent past is just evidence of how down in the dumps English cricket is. As for Indian cricket, again only good at home, your gonna get belted in Aus.

Posted by Seshadri.Venkat on (October 26, 2011, 4:32 GMT)

Kudos to the young indian team.

Even at the risk of huge criticism, I would state, theat the injury to the the senior players was a blessing in disguise. Certainly, the old order has to change yieding place for new.

I hope the selectors would bite bullet in nurturing a team for the future.

Posted by BigDataIsAHoax on (October 26, 2011, 4:21 GMT)

@landl47 : Really? This series did not matter? Is that the attitude in general for the English or is it just you? Cos if England wants to stay #1 in any format, they MUST want to WIN EVERY game. That was the Australian attitude when they were #1. Period. I know this hammering has hurt you. If it really did not matter, you should not be on this forum wasting your time.

Posted by   on (October 26, 2011, 4:21 GMT)


"Well, a series that only mattered to the Indian fans drags to an end."

I've been trawling through beebs, guardian and daily mail and unless there were a large number of Indians pretending to be English, I find your comment amusingly inaccurate. Also, this series didn't matter much to many Indians, so your platitude is doubly pointless.

With regard to the next series, unless the English develop a miraclous aptitude to play spin better, they aren't going anywhere with the no 1 tag. As for all my compatriots crowing about the Indian resurgence and revenge, this entire home centric brilliance is more worrying than pleasing. Where are the batsmen and bowlers who will help us compete abroad? One pointless ODI series does not make us world beaters. The true test will be if these results are to be replicated consistently in all formats, everywhere. Ditto for England. On current form I see India sliding down the rankings everytime they tour abroad and vice versa at home.

Posted by   on (October 26, 2011, 4:21 GMT)

I m holding my comment till end of January... It will clear then

Posted by Romenevans on (October 26, 2011, 4:11 GMT)

Remove IPL and CLt20 Mess from indian cricket and you'll see India becoming the best cricket team in the world (Overseas torus included). Im sure that india lost in england because of tired bodies and injuries. Looking forward for Australia tour now. Go Go Go Bleed blue guys! Oh By the way the best spin player in the world Bell sent back to hell, in just few deliveries by our average spinner? ROFLMAO!

Posted by ansram on (October 26, 2011, 4:07 GMT)

@5wombats - England ain't no WI or Aussie of the past. Too bad no tests, they are likely to be whitewashed like the ODI, looking at the way they played even raina and tiwari was amusing. Why Swann was so ineffective where Jadeja and ashwin were?!!

Posted by   on (October 26, 2011, 4:07 GMT)

was surprised to see the demise, i think IND n ENG should play a test and ODI series on a neutral ground like in the Caribbean to determine the no1 team....

Posted by DEV_ME on (October 26, 2011, 4:05 GMT)

BEWARE All Ye Enthusisatic Fans ... dont make comments like " This was the revenge of India ..", "We are the world Champions ..." etc. etc ... Lets see how India fares in Australia and in Test matches in India. Time and again, we have shown, that we win at home, but thanks to a couple of players performing. We still havent got the right team combination. We still do not have the right players in the team. If this same team plays a test in India against the same England team, te scene could be totally different. England smacked us in the face in Tests, which hurt the most ! And we ought to have beaten them in Tests, to make the claim of revenge etc. ... The selectors still have a job to do, by shaping an excellent squad for the coming series.

Posted by ibbani on (October 26, 2011, 3:50 GMT)

England can compeit for the last place with Bangladesh - shud be a best fights of the year

Posted by   on (October 26, 2011, 3:49 GMT)

Having won the series unilaterally, It could be clear that India has got good talent to be nourished. Inclusion of Dravid for the English tour is clearly a faux pas by the selctors ahead of lot of talented iIndian players. Nonetheless, English team has been in the same shape with the absence of Broad and Anderson as India were when they struggled with the absence of their senior players. In the culmination, India clearly emerged a better team in home conditions. But only time will tell whether we are going to continue this winning streak with the young blood. Kudos to Dhoni for his unbeaten batting heroics throughout the series

Posted by Fast_Track_Bully on (October 26, 2011, 3:47 GMT)

England do not know how to play Spin bowling, hope they will do more homework before the Test series...otherwise, the result will be the same!

Posted by Fast_Track_Bully on (October 26, 2011, 3:45 GMT)

Poor English fans...they are searching for excuses!!! @wazza85..Do you know what was the result when Lanka played last ODI series in India?? I will tell you, it was you have anything to say??

Posted by   on (October 26, 2011, 3:43 GMT)

Congrats. Dhoni and Co pl repeat it in Australia

Posted by hameede on (October 26, 2011, 3:28 GMT)

I believe the series of India-England 2011 is equivalent to the ones of South Africa and Australia in 2008-2009

Posted by landl47 on (October 26, 2011, 3:27 GMT)

Well, a series that only mattered to the Indian fans drags to an end. I'm not sure why the ECB schedules these meaningless ODI series at the end of seasons or tours- the players simply aren't up for it, no matter what they might say. India played well in their specialty (home ODIs) and deserved their convincing win. Next year, when England play tests in India, we'll see where the sides really stand.

Posted by   on (October 26, 2011, 3:18 GMT)

This is a vintage performance by IND. This is the revenge of last series where IND was humiliated by ENG. Now the opposite result that all indian expect. I think Indian are truely happy to watch the match. The match was so significant in the light of Indian cricket and the power of Indian in terms of their WC glory. Now India relax. So far my judgement Dhoni is world class captain as well as player. No one in Indian players were impact as Dhoni did upon the team. He leads the team in front. He is cool customer and getting appreciation from team mates but never showing his pride in the field or even outside the field. I show my respect to Dhoni.

Posted by Meety on (October 26, 2011, 3:15 GMT)

England are going to have some tough road trips in the not to distant future to Asia/Middle East - this series has sounded an ominous warning. The ODIs for England were always going to be of a lower priority, but was always going to be about revenge for India. However, whilst I thought Trott played well & Cook in patches, the rest were in terms of batting shabby. I know Bell will play in Tests instead of Bopara, & Morgan will add some starch. Netherless, once the ball spun, the Poms looked ordinary. The other factor coming into their Asian jaunts will be Swann. I have a lot of time for him as a sportsman, cricketer & human, however his cricket legacy will be under scrutiny on these tours. At the moment 24 wickets in 4 matches in Asia for an average of 30 looks pretty good, however when you discount 16 Banga wickets @ 25, you are left with 8 Indian wickets @ 39 - which is average, (better than Warney!). Performs well - he's a great, doesn't = a good spinner historically.

Posted by   on (October 26, 2011, 3:10 GMT)

Condition helps india to win the series with 5-0 and easily get revenge

Posted by samincolumbia on (October 26, 2011, 3:03 GMT)

KP mentioned before the start of the series that England is going to use this series as preparation for the 2015 World Cup, a cup which England has never managed to achieve in the history of one day cricket!!

So, KP, post series, can someone ask is the preparation coming along? HAHAHA....

Posted by samincolumbia on (October 26, 2011, 2:59 GMT)

India is #3 in ODI rankings with england languishing just above the minnows!! HAHA...And moreover India are the world champions in ODI, a feat the great england team has not yet achieved in the history of one day cricket!! Check the facts, Wormbats, before posting fiction here.

Posted by wazza85 on (October 26, 2011, 2:57 GMT)

Indian fans i wouldn't get too excited if i was you. India has always been hard to beat at home. but the percentage of win way from home for India is not that great. they have to face Sri Lanka and Australia down under witch will prove India as a top side.

Posted by swaroopjammula on (October 26, 2011, 2:49 GMT)

@ 5wombats :India won the series in australia last we toured australia. India won the first two finlas itself without even playing the third one then.In SA we were competitive with a scoreline of 3-2. in england either if it is not ford/l and rain the scoreline would have read 3-2 in favour of england.

Posted by cool2cool on (October 26, 2011, 2:45 GMT)

@5wombats: You are correct mate. The no 1 side won an test series recently in India in 1985, whereas India won an series in England way way back in 2007.

Same way, I think england are a useful side at condiations suitable to them. Slightly unfavourable pitches, england though it's another story. A really good ODI side would be able to go to a country like South Africa, England, Australia, India or Zimbabwe and win. I haven't noticed england doing any of those things ever, forget recently - which explains englands consitent 5-0, 6-1 defeats. Same problem, only much worse in Sub-continent in Tests. A true number one Test side should be able to go to a country like India or Sri Lanka also and win a Test series, or at least one Test in a series - and I haven't noticed england doing that recently either. Also to point out that a plane ride to UAE awaits...

Posted by JayCee on (October 26, 2011, 2:39 GMT)

England should have dropped KP and Bopara for the tour and instead included Duckworth and Lewis. That's the duo that helped them in the ODI's in England.

Posted by r.rajasekkar on (October 26, 2011, 2:34 GMT)

Mr.Dhoni once again proved that,he is a man with a mission called "Success"

Posted by swaroopjammula on (October 26, 2011, 2:28 GMT)

@ Balumekka:thank u very much for the support...good to see the srilankans support India...

Posted by InswingingToeCrusher on (October 26, 2011, 2:26 GMT)

First of all congratulations to India and hard luck England. After all it is a sport and someone has to win and someone loses. England has talented players in certain conditions as they showed by beating India in England in all forms of the game. Truncated matches or not it was still a victory. I personally believe test cricket is the pinnacle of cricket and the only place to attain greatness in the game. I also am proud how well India has traveled abroad in the last 5 years (except England tour). I ran a comparison of India's and England's AWAY performance from Jan 01 2007 to BEFORE last India England Series - Here are the results

India - Played 27, Won 10, Lost 7 Eng - Played 26, Won 8, Lost 7

Surely India has not been bad travelers over the last 5 years as some fans want to portray and surely English test record is more questionable than India's abroad. I sincerely hope India develop great pace options to take 20 wickets abroad. Best of Luck!!

Posted by Rajesh.Kumar on (October 26, 2011, 2:23 GMT)

Although it is always better to win than to lose, yet these one-sided matches are a poor advertisement for the game. I don't believe that this English team is as bad in the ODIs as it looks right now. I saw the Mumbai ODI in the stadium, and came out impressed with England fast bowlers Steve Finn and Stuart Meaker. I hope these two genuine quicks will be around for a long time, and not be lost in the crowd of medium fast bowlers. One over which Finn bowled to Raina in Mumbai still stands out in my mind when Raina hit him for two fours, and then Finn sent his stump cartwheeling. That was competitive cricket at its best. England have to figure out as to why their team doesn't do well in the ODIs in India. It wasn't always like that. In 2002, under the captaincy of Nasser Hussain, they held India to a 3-3 result. I feel that removing Andrew Strauss after the world cup was a big mistake. Strauss was a far better ODI captain than Cook.

Posted by Hindh on (October 26, 2011, 2:19 GMT)

revenge has been extracted and eng have been DRUBBED BY MAMMOTH PROPORTIONS and it is time for some fans like 5wombats to eat the humble pie and agree that ENG are no world beaters and have performed worse than ireland team in a sub continent match. Captain COOL 5-0 India all the way............

Posted by tappee74 on (October 26, 2011, 2:06 GMT)

It is called glorious cricket in the West Indies.Its revolutionary,one day you are on top and a set of people are happy,the next day you are at the bottom and another set is happy.One way or the other there will always be happiness,its the spirit of the game.

Posted by   on (October 26, 2011, 2:03 GMT)

I am not a bragged, I am elated with the performance of India-is this the B Team of India!!??. Now that they have fought back the team that over whelmed them, next is Australia. let not the selectors do a dancing act, but pick a team that we all feel proud.Don't ever even think of a second string team,where ever they have to play.

Posted by CanTHeeRava on (October 26, 2011, 1:52 GMT)

Well done to India for a 5-0 series win. Worthy to be World champions in ODIs. But, the truth remains...India 4-0 in a test series two months ago in England. If they forget it, then this series win (even though it is in ODI format) means nothing. No short balls, no swing...India won. The same can be said of England. A little bit of spin and dew...they were blown away. India has to perform in England, Australia and South Africa and win test matches there. Dravid recently remarked that India's 1999 tour of Australia was one of the tougher tours he took part in (tougher than England this year). I agree with him. I remember the series vividly. India had a young team then. Tendulkar was the only performing batsman in the team in Australian conditions...12 years hence...we have still have only Tendulkar, Dravid and Laxman...

Posted by EverybodylovesSachin on (October 26, 2011, 1:40 GMT)

In whole series I enjoyed the last game very much..Good spin against poor Batting..

Posted by EverybodylovesSachin on (October 26, 2011, 1:38 GMT)


Posted by akshararamji on (October 26, 2011, 1:34 GMT)

I want and wish this young team to sustain the momentum and keep their morale high in all the matches to be played

Posted by prasanna_79 on (October 26, 2011, 1:33 GMT)

We shouldn't get too excited about this series whitewash.. England have never been a good ODI side and with a bit of luck with the toss,we could have won the series or atleast drawn the ODI series in England too.. We should instead concentrate on the upcoming tour of Australia and try to build our Test squad.. Pick a pool of young quicks( like Abu Nechim,Varun Aaron,Pradeep Sangwan, Yomahesh, Umesh Yadav to name a few..) Conduct a camp in NCA under the supervision of somebody who has good international bowling experience like venkatesh prasad..,work on their skills and fitness and keep them ready for international cricket.. Similarly get the batters who are promising (Rohit,Rahane,Pujara,Kohli,Dhawan to name a few..) and work on their backfoot techniques and build a team for the future.. Come on India.. Lets recapture the No.1 test ranking by thrashing every opponent home or away.. We have talent in abundance..,what we lack is planning & foresight..!!

Posted by   on (October 26, 2011, 1:13 GMT)

well done team india.. 5-0 Whitewash two in a row against england..... this is a awesome diwali gift for all indian cricket fans.....

Posted by   on (October 26, 2011, 0:50 GMT)

Good gift for DIPAWALI

Posted by kumarcoolbuddy on (October 26, 2011, 0:50 GMT)

@5wombats, I appreciate your couragethough. Just compare what were the reasons for India failed in ENG and ENG failed in India. Except the home advantage nothing was unfavorable to ENG. Even toos was favoring ENG in some matches but went useless. Also there was no need for Indian team and media to play psychological dramas on ENG players with teasing comments and articles as ENG did on India.

Posted by   on (October 26, 2011, 0:47 GMT)

where is Mr Nasir hussain and 'Sir' Ian Botham?

Posted by RogerC on (October 26, 2011, 0:41 GMT)

How about some test matches now? Let's see how good England is in subcontinent conditions.

Posted by EverybodylovesSachin on (October 26, 2011, 0:32 GMT)

I love all the comments in the section..India did good job and their fans also..

Posted by king_lion on (October 26, 2011, 0:31 GMT)

world no. 1 spinner - G. Swann - 4 match - 5.9 avg - 3 wickets, dropped from one ODI. great performance.

Posted by EverybodylovesSachin on (October 26, 2011, 0:30 GMT)

Have you guys seen England fielding...Now Nasir Hussain should not let go this opportunity to give his expert comments..

Posted by prod75 on (October 26, 2011, 0:23 GMT)

For your kind information 5wombats :-) ... lolol Posted by 5wombats on (August 06 2011, 09:38 AM GMT) @Cpt.Meanster; "Also, the English bowlers rely too much on overcast conditions for the ball to swing", how do you reckon that then? It was hot and sunny at Lords and Trent Bridge and india got bowled out for under 300 every time, 150ish even. Don't try and make out that England only win at home because of their swing bowlers - otherwise how did Bell score 150+ at Trent Bridge, KP 200+ at Lords, how did Cook & Trott score so many runs in Australia and how did Swann bowl out the Aussies at Adelaide and how did England manage to win a Test match in South Africa last year? Evidence is important here and the evidence doesn't support what you are saying. I am really looking forward to watching England in india when we can finally nail some of these myths once and for all.

Posted by abc3 on (October 26, 2011, 0:14 GMT)

For the all the ignorant fans claiming India didn't deserve to be No.1 and they were bad in away matches here is the stats for the last decade (Jan 2001 to current). They have a +ve win loss ration among all teams except with SA and Eng after this 4-0 drubbing (anomaly). Else the record against Eng was good until this summer. That's how India got to the top. So stop your BS u ignorant fans.

Total Won Lost Draw Win/Loss Ratio India v Australia 2001-2010 21 9 6 0 6 1.50

India v Sri Lanka 2001-2010 15 7 5 0 3 1.40

India v Bangladesh 2004-2010 6 5 0 0 1 -

India v England 2001-2011 19 5 6 0 8 0.83

India v South Africa 2001-2011 15 5 6 0 4 0.83

India v West Indies 2002-2011 15 5 2 0 8 2.5

India v Zimbabwe 2001-2005 6 5 1 0 0 5.00

India v Pakistan 2004-2007 12 4 3 0 5 1.33

India v New Zealand 2002-2010 10 2 2 0 6 1.0

Posted by   on (October 26, 2011, 0:12 GMT)

these were 2 2nd string teams vs each other and india clearly has a better young talent, also, india is hard to beat home.. but lets just say this, england cant play on spinning tracks and india cnt play on bouncy tracks... they one in AUS once a couple years ago... they will need all the luck they can this time around.......cnt wait for that series filled with pace and bounce.

Posted by insightfulcricketer on (October 26, 2011, 0:10 GMT)

To all the English fans - tough luck. What this series has shown is that there is not much to choose between Indian and English cricket teams. Kings at home - paupers away. It is time to give tribute to West Indian (75-85) and Australian (2000s) eras team that they were the one all-conquering teams irrespective of format and conditions they excelled. Crown will change hands quickly now till a team is formed which is all conquering again. No country at the moment can claim to be all-conquering.

Posted by   on (October 26, 2011, 0:03 GMT)

I think people should not get too carried away ... and insult graeme swann .. he is a quality spinner ... unfortunately hasnt had success in this series even though he didnt bowl badly ... partly because of defensive tactics of captain cook also i presume

Posted by Nampally on (October 26, 2011, 0:02 GMT)

It was disappointing to see England losing 5-0 in ODI for the second tour in a row. What is more England again lost in <40 overs. Over the 5 match series England played full 50 Overs only Once. 3 times they could not bat 40 overs and once just 40.3 Overs. In future England must ensure a team that is capable of batting full 50 overs. India lost the series in England 3-0 but each time the match went to the last few balls of the final over.Unfortunately there were no Test matches along with the ODI's. Otherwise India would have taken the #1 Test Ranking back from England.Let us say it was a lucky escape for England. Next is the series with West Indies. India must sort out 3 separate set of teams for Aussie Tour - Tests, ODI's & T-20 - based on "Proven Fitness & Form". There should be no more than 5 common players in 3 formats. Dhoni needs to be rested for the WI series. If Sehwag,Tendulkar, Yuvraj, Rohit & Zaheer are fit test them.The Selectors must exclude Unfit & out of form players.

Posted by sachinisnogood on (October 25, 2011, 23:57 GMT)

Guys let's be honest. This one day series win proves nothing. Also it was a good thing that the so called top players were not there. I think India was actually helped by the fact "top players" were not there. We don't need "top players" while playing in India. There are needed when playing outside India - we have seen what happens to the "top players" when they go outside India. India is not no. 1 side both in tests and 1 days. The fact is Finn was able to rattle the Indian bastmen. If the piches had more pace who knows what he might have done. The same applies to England - they are not no. 1 in anything though they are a very good test side.

Posted by AK_25 on (October 25, 2011, 23:56 GMT)

@ 5wombats ....hey nt a big deal....if u say india can only win in india thn so that eng....even u r talking abt india...indirectly u r saying abt eng that thy cant win outside eng...and abt 4-0...eng out played india...i mate dont liv in past.....wait for nxt yr u ll see the performance of ur worldclass team in much class thy hav...all ll see dat...right now u r one complaing abt dat....congrats...enjoy da position...i just want to say...take ur one thng u remember..every one has its day.....n there r very few eng supporters who relly comment sensible and respected one...

Posted by meatballeditor on (October 25, 2011, 23:53 GMT)

Meanwhile in South Africa, the England Women's team whitewashed their opponents in their ODI series. A pity that series wasn't telecast; it would have provided better entertainment for the England fans than this dismal display.

Posted by BigDataIsAHoax on (October 25, 2011, 23:41 GMT)

All those who are thinking England would have won a test series in India have clearly zero understanding of the game. Gosh man!! Did you not see how they were blown away by spin last night? I mean 10 wickets for 40 runs? And you think they can handle spin on day 3-4-5 on tracks like motera and eden gardens!! lol. come on man! Admit it. No shame in admitting england are terrible players of spin. Only when you admit you are not good enough, can you rise to correct your mistakes and get better!!

Posted by SanjivAwesome on (October 25, 2011, 23:38 GMT)

I think the England players gave it their best. They lost to a better motivated team this time around. Kinda what happenend when we toured England 2 months ago. Keep your chin up, England, regardless of the needless comments in this column. And India, keep up the great work for us, regardless of the needless comments in this column.

Posted by Lmaotsetung on (October 25, 2011, 23:38 GMT)

Back to square one I guess. Oh well, rest up guys and be ready for a busy 2012. Back to the drawing board for the ODI squad. So long Bopara, Kieswetter, Bell. Hello Alex Hales, Butler, Borthwick.

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 23:38 GMT)

awesome great job team India

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 23:36 GMT)

its all over for eng,,consecutive whitewash

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 23:35 GMT)

I'd just like to say that test matches and odis should be on equal terms. Tests are just more difficult, but there isnt a test match world cup....its a odi cricket world cup. And for india and england, both are very good in their own conditions... but arent away. That means just cuz england wins in south africa and australia doesnt mean there better. Australia AND south africa conditions suit england, but will england ever conquer the subcontinent? Once they beat india in a test series in india, will they be true champions. for now though, they shuld work in odis which is in true shambles. Then england can even imagine winning a test series in india and being true number one test side.

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 23:35 GMT)

we wish and pray to god india perform in same way in australia congrants india team

Posted by Meety on (October 25, 2011, 23:25 GMT)

Conclusions to be drawn? Firstly the Poms have failed to learn from the best decision made in the last 30yrs - to imitate Test cricket domestically & revert to 4-day FC matches. The ECB in their infinate wisdom - just like Cric Oz decided that their domestic limited over series will NOT be of a 50 over duration. Thankfully Oz have reverted to good all 50 over cricket domestically - whilst the Poms keep churning out the pro-40 crud - they will remain crud, despite having a fair degree of depth & talent. On the topic of depth & talent, it is pretty clear that the Pommy bench-strength is not as strong as first believed. Dernbach, Kieswetter, Bairstow & Meaker are not up to ODI standard yet, & its questionable whether Patel is either. Bresnan was par (better Test bowler), & Finn was better than expected but a S/R of 36 is average, Swann underwhelming, but as weall know India is not a great place for an overseas spinner. Trott superb, KP good, the rest poor. Cook's form bubble burst????

Posted by samincolumbia on (October 25, 2011, 23:22 GMT)

A couple of more saffas, irish and Indian players in their team and England will be ready to give India a good fight in the next series!

Posted by Chris_P on (October 25, 2011, 23:21 GMT)

Wow, from an Aussie pov, I can't believe the ungracious retorts from the Indian fans. The English have been copping this sort of stuff for years and to be truthful, have maintained dignity despite getting heaps (especially from we Aussies). They had a golden summer followed by an unbelievably great 2 years to rightfully claim the #1 test spot and so , IMHO, were allowed to have theirtime in the sun and a gloat. Yet, they have been subjected to an incredible show of undignified posts that are unworthy of true cricket followers. I still play competitive cricket, and against many cultures, and I have never found this sort of vitriol by true fans and active players. The game deserves better than this. The game deserves respect.

Posted by samincolumbia on (October 25, 2011, 23:18 GMT)

Wormbats.... How many days have your team been #1?? It's only a matter of the next series before you get thrashed and reach the bottom of the rankings in the blink of an eye!! Also, the # 1 team could not even a single ODI match against a team missing seven of it's first choice players!! Your bowlers could not get Dhoni out even once!!

BTW, congrats on yet another 5-0 drubbing!! That's a record India would never be able to beat!! HAHA...England's 2015 WC preparation crash landed before even it could take off!!

Posted by thecric on (October 25, 2011, 23:11 GMT)

Well Done Team India. England Team did put up a good fight, however their fielding was very poor. Where is Nasser Hussain Now? we should ask him to comment about the England Fielding.

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 23:03 GMT)

England: -You begged to play Bell even after he was out. We conceded gracefully, thanks to our Dhoni. -U took advantage of rain and rules to take win from us. We didnt complain -Our main players were injured in England series. We didnt crib or whine. Look at you:

Look at the videos, and they talk for themselves. Andy Flower. U better go for flower picking. What a shame to the mighty Brits!

Posted by NRI- on (October 25, 2011, 23:03 GMT)

You are wrong, Swombats-the rain didn't save India from an ODI whitewash, it allowed England a 3-0 instead of a 3-2 score. The first ODI was easily in the bag for India with a big score and English openers gone. One of the matches England won wasn't an ODI at all, it was a 23-23, which is more like a 20-20, the game at which England are world champions. England are easily the best at test cricket, mainly because of Anderson, Swann, Broad, Bresnan and Tremlett and very good batting but Cook, Bell and Trott, whilst in the best ten of the world at test batting, are not so great in ODIs although Bell ought to be if given more chances. Three of those great bowlers were missing and the pitches were different.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (October 25, 2011, 23:02 GMT)

What a completely pathetic display by England. Losing at all after that start would have been a shame but to roll over like that was criminal. It's a good job I prefer test cricket because I'm just about to give up on England as a OD side. They haven't been good in this format for some time and, while I genuinely thought that they were making strides, this tour shows that they are as clueless as they ever were. Still a lot of rubbish being spouted by some Indian fans along the lines of "when we lose we are unlucky but when you lose it's because we are better" but, while conditions were in their favour, there's no doubt that India outplayed England by a large margin in this series. I can't imagine holding onto the T20I #1 ranking after this. Those Indian fans who assume that this guarantees a win in the next test series are probably the same deluded fools who predicted a 4-0 win to India in the last series, but in ODIs Indis has it all over England.

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 23:02 GMT)

the difference between two odi series.. india in england one bg win for england one tie and i think there were 2 very close matches.. india w/o full strength batting clicked praveen bowled well ashwin did fine, jadega as all rounder impressed rp singh was bad and so was vinay kumar (i still think he needs to develop his game even after good performance ) now see how many positives there were in that series all batting clicking kohli made his biggest century not score wise but conditional wise india learnt a lesson bowlers are to be trated differently like great wasim akram said i will rather pick a wayward bowler who picks wickets then a stable bowler who jsut restricks bowlers like munaf are useless i will pick sreesanth over him any day .. now see how these things effected this series batting was confident each player performed bowlers learnt lesson bad guys dropped new blood in team given license.. this series was seasled in england not india! lol

Posted by MrTom10 on (October 25, 2011, 23:01 GMT)

Any chance that Dhoni's another Saffer we can Import?

Posted by apk2072 on (October 25, 2011, 22:56 GMT)

I think I should feel sorry about you.. what a jealousy ...

Have you seen the previous Indian tour of Australia?

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 22:56 GMT)

england supporters stop crying and accept the defeat gracefully. Congrats indian young players

Posted by AniruddhaGupta1977 on (October 25, 2011, 22:56 GMT)

@5wombats... burning sensation in the stiff upper lip.... lol. Too many times you are feeling sorry, why do you guys come to India and loose 5 nil everytime? Next time we should invite Bangladesh. Even the grounds were empty this time...

Posted by dicky_boy on (October 25, 2011, 22:49 GMT)

And mr wombat in England the match that was a draw England had one wicker and 11 runs from one over haha and do not feel sorry for us we are very happy being champions l consistently scoring 300 even in England if u remember , please try to say why did india score so many in England lol on the other hand England are pathetic

Posted by Precioustar84 on (October 25, 2011, 22:43 GMT)

After 2nd ODI, I kept reading comments like this series was "meaningless" to because some of your star players were missing or that ODI isn't top priority or the conditions don't fit your players. I guess I can feel India's tour of England also as "meaningless" since we were missing majority of the players, conditions weren't in our favor, test hasn't been our top priority as we are notoriously better at playing ODIs then tests. Blah Blah Blah! Now I hear England's scheduling was wrong or this tour shouldn't have ever happened. Same excuses but different perception. Had the whitewash been the other way around, I bet the same fans would've been so proud and nothing would've been meaningless. Why do you guys bother to watch or keep track of who won the ODI matches? Why do you bother to even play ODIs if that doesn't matter? Why take up space in the ICC ranks? It's an absurd excuse and not even Indian fans would've said, "We don't care about tests" even after shameful loss in the summer.

Posted by dicky_boy on (October 25, 2011, 22:43 GMT)

Mr wombats stay atleast till the t20 or are you so sure that your team will lose haha looks like you are the kind of person who will stay only when your team wins

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 22:37 GMT)

5wombats....You won an ODI series at home big deal and England won a test series at home against depleted Indian team big deal. Can this England win a test in India I think not, Bell, Trott, Bresnan who were scoring runs at will last summer were groping around like novices when the ball began to grip and turn. Cook castled by a ball with a bit of extra pace from a rookie....Embarrassing to watch, never mind the Plane to Australia lets wait and see if the so called number one side can beat SL and Pakistan.

Posted by Laulin on (October 25, 2011, 22:27 GMT)

Glad that we did not have rain affected matches where the victory was decided by D/L rule. England ran on rain luck, D/L rule and spat of injuries that India had during the England tour. England full strength really played with India A team in England. Having said that we should not forget the shoddy job BCCI did with respect to planning for the England tour and giving players adequate rest.

Posted by foursandsixes on (October 25, 2011, 22:15 GMT)

I bet had there been test matches included in this series (and how I wish there were), Eng would have been swept clean also (or close to it).They can't play on slow turning tracks.

Posted by cric828 on (October 25, 2011, 22:09 GMT)

You all can talk all day and night, Check the result.What goes around,it's come around. Well done India good job. Wish you all the best for next match. Everyone have done good job.

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 22:09 GMT)

5wombats @21:27 PM - I still think ENGLAND are the best ODI team in the world... honestly, worlds best spinner who got dropped on a spinning track.... the whole of the SA outfit appears exhausted, you need to start recruiting again? But I still think England are the best ODI team in the world... lol England batters cannot last for 40 overs in a ODI and i cannot think of england batting on 4th or 5th day pitch in india! But YES YOU ARE CORRECT - ENGLAND ARE THE BEST ODI TEAM, AGREED!

Posted by khiladisher on (October 25, 2011, 22:08 GMT)

Talking to reporters after a 5-0 whitewash over England with a thumping 95-run victory here, Dhoni said: "I don't want to sound rude. But if you see the records of England it would be 16:1 or so," he said.THAT SHOWS WHY YOU DO NOT MESS WITH THE WORLD CHAMPIONS INDIA.A PERFECT DIWALI GIFT TO THE NATION OF 1.3 BILLION.THANK YOU CAPTAIN MARVEL.

Posted by westbars_spireite on (October 25, 2011, 22:05 GMT)

I'm not bothered about this series. I wonder if the England players felt the same.

Posted by yamin101 on (October 25, 2011, 21:57 GMT)

Congrats India .............from across the border

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 21:56 GMT)

Well Done Indian Team!!!! Great diwali gift for the Indian supporters......Cheers.......

Posted by rapidstar on (October 25, 2011, 21:50 GMT)

I am thoroughly impressed by Dhoni. England could not get him out in 5 ODIs, that's amazing! There is no way they can play all 50 overs & WIN :)

Posted by gazelle79 on (October 25, 2011, 21:41 GMT)

Winning a series well gives a nice glow , but we need to look forward as well . From this series , the positives - Rahane's maturity , our fielding in general , Aaron's emergence . The negatives - hard to think of , but I suppose Parthiv really didn't step up .The remaining positives - Dhoni , our spinners , Kohli etc were already well known . Umesh yadav is not yet in my list of positives because he needs better direction . Fellow Indian fans , enough of this "payback ". Even the English fans have started saying that their ODI team is no good , so let them be . Interestingly , if we really crave some measure of payback , let's look forward to the T20 . England are the reigning champions in that format and a defeat here would knock them off their No : 1 ranking . Not really a like for like revenge , but its at least something . Waiting for the Tests next year when the actual revenge series starts ! .

Posted by itsthewayuplay on (October 25, 2011, 21:38 GMT)

@davidpk It looked like Cook and Kieswetter were going to take Eng all the way and the Ind bowling was looking every bit the way it did in Eng including the spinners. The match changed when the ball started to grip and turn and Ashwin and Jadeja looked liked like different bowlers.

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 21:38 GMT)

what a beautiful sport. who ever plays in their ground, sweeps the other one.

Posted by Harry_Indian on (October 25, 2011, 21:33 GMT)

England came with youngsters so that it can test its bench strength just like what india had to do after injuries to main players in England. To be world champions both have to play well on any surface.

Posted by krici_lover on (October 25, 2011, 21:32 GMT)

@OhhhhMattyMatty - How many real cricket matches have England won in subcontinent in last decade. How many test series has england won in India in last 2 decades and how many has India won in England. Just get that data all the doubts will be cleared

Posted by krici_lover on (October 25, 2011, 21:28 GMT)

India has shown the real worth to this ordinary english team. Let them play tests "their real cricket" in subcontinent, all forms of misconceptions will be resolved and reality will be exposed. As far as test series in summers is concerned, even Bangladesh could have defeated that tired, injured and demotivated team. It was england's luck they had to face such a team. Real team is the current team - fresh, energetic and confident.

Posted by 5wombats on (October 25, 2011, 21:27 GMT)

I feel sorry for you india fans I really do... You won an ODI series at home. Big deal. Forgot about the Summer in England did you? - you know the 4-0 whitewash in the Test series where you lost your "number one" status in SPECTACULAR fashion!!! And how about the ODI series lost 3-0 with only rain saving india from a whitewash there too! Yes, yea - all is well with indian cricket... until the next tour abroad.... Australia is it?... good luck with that!.. ha ha! I feel sorry for you india cricket fans. The plane for Australia is waiting for you.... Short memories and no good away from home... as we wombats say; "that'll be fun to watch"! Goodbye.

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 21:24 GMT)

India won this series without their Top batsmen and bowlers - Sachin, Viru, Yuvi, Zaheer. Kudos to MSD and company. Hope they will continue their good show in the T20 too. We still have to invite England to play 4 Test in India to settle that humiliating England series

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 21:14 GMT)

Indians love the whitewash and fireworks just before Diwali!! Well done India

Posted by itsthewayuplay on (October 25, 2011, 21:09 GMT)

@Brummieexile I hear what you're saying about Bell but Bopara was picked and persisted with probably on the basis of his batting against Ind in the ODIs in Engwhere he didn't look like getting out. As for Bairstow exposure to Ind condtions can only be good for him in the long run. Regardless of selection, Eng made life difficult for themselves throughout the series with dropped catches and the inability to rotate the strike. I don't see too many Eng batters play with soft hands so they have either mainly scored in boundaries or played dot balls and meant they struggled to score against the spinners. Dot balls puts pressure on batters invariably leading to high risk shots. As an Indian supporter I've been pleasantly suprised by the way Ashwin and Jadeja have bolwed this series and also disppointed by Swann in what should have been helpful conditions. It'll be interesting to see how Eng play in the tests when time should not be such a factor in the game.

Posted by haq33 on (October 25, 2011, 21:00 GMT)

You fought back admirably after the summer disaster, like cornered tigers almost. I have to admit, as a Pak fan I am impressed. India's one-day team is better than England's by a long way - only in certain conditions mind you. India in the wrong conditions are still average-poor but then, England in the wrong conditions seem completely useless - they just implode. In the final analysis, this all means that there is absolutely no dominant team in the short formats in world cricket presently - probably a good thing. England will be undone in away tests soon also I feel, perhaps even by Pakistan, definitely by the likes of India or RSA. It's all very well England fans mocking shorter forms of the game when you sit on top of the test throne, but if you can't actually hold an innings together in away conditions, then whether it is 1 day or 5 days, you will be found wanting.

Posted by JG2704 on (October 25, 2011, 21:00 GMT)

Abysmal performance throughout the whole series. I suppose at least Finn and Patel showed a bit of promise but I actually wonder when they will go off the boil as Bres and Dernbach seem to have done. Bopara seemes to revert back to his poor England form and Bairstow failed to live up to his pre series promise. Also thought that Cook captained a side trying to limit damage rather than genuinely win. We have the T20 match on Saturday but I can only see more humiliation,although for some reason we fare better at T20 than ODIs even though it is further away from the Test format in which we excel. The thing Eng have proven is they don't necessarily let their poor OD form into Tests as proven when beating Aus in Aus before being thrashed 6-1 in ODIs and having a poor inconsistent WC and then coming back in the Test series Sri Lanka and India so it's not all doom & gloom and we must remember that they are 2 diff formats and this woeful series will not impact on our number 1 test ranking

Posted by inswing on (October 25, 2011, 20:57 GMT)

Just shows how much difference conditions make. England is still a good team. As far as spinners, there are no great spinners playing right now. Swann is best of what is there, which is not saying much, but it is not a stretch to call him "best in the world". Bhajji has fallen off the cliff and India doesn't have any other star. SL has a couple of decent ones and Pak and WI have some ok ones. Aus and SA, not too much to speak off. That's about it.

Posted by jezmondo on (October 25, 2011, 20:53 GMT)

congrats india. we (england) were very poor but have we ever claimed to be no 1 in odis? I dont think so. Some of you indian boys need to get your facts straight. By the way please also note there is not a huge list of excuses being made here (unlike dhoni all through our summer) Finally who is no 1 in test and t20s......

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 20:50 GMT)

England's record in last 20 away games- Lost 14, Tied- 1, Won-4 (2 against Ireland & Bangladesh).. and you say India are lambs abroad!

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 20:47 GMT)

2 in an row white washes..1st in 2008(5-0) and now in 2011(5-0)...With this kind of white i feel lots of detergent companies might sign INDIA...

Posted by cool2cool on (October 25, 2011, 20:44 GMT)

Where are Michael Vaughan, Naseer Hussain? Not tweeting anymore?

Posted by khiladisher on (October 25, 2011, 20:44 GMT)


Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 20:41 GMT)

There were questions being raised from England Cricket experts that"Will India ever wins a Test with England in this year"..Now i wanna ask them "Will England ever wins a One Day against INDIA in 100 Years"..

Geof Boycott and Vaghan..Please comment..ah ah ah ah...

Posted by Precioustar84 on (October 25, 2011, 20:39 GMT)

Happy Diwali!!!!!! Full of colors usually but a WHITEwash do just fine in honor of our festival. Part ONE-ODI India 5 England 0 series complete. Cant wait for Part TWO-TESTS in 2012 where India will be eagerly waiting. Be there if you dare!! :)

Posted by cool2cool on (October 25, 2011, 20:38 GMT)

@OhhhhMattyMatty: Are you talking about Anderson who gave the most runs in a single match in World cup history or someone else? And only "England" doesn't care about the ODI, for rest of the world doing well in ODI is as important(if not more) as tests.

Posted by kshitizyp on (October 25, 2011, 20:37 GMT)

one of the greatest service sachin tendulkar has done to indian cricket (of course there are large number of them..) is suggesting the name of Dhoni as skipper of indian team. What a captain he is turning out to be. WOW! It really takes some gusty performance and leadership quality to lift the team after such a drubbing in england. The 5-0 win in absence of your biggest stars (yuvraj, sehwag, sachin, zaheer) and against the same opposition.. Only Dhoni can achieve this.

Posted by usernames on (October 25, 2011, 20:37 GMT)

On this match (& the series), our batting clicked which is an excellent thing. Almost everyone chipped in (Rahane's 91, Gambhir's 84, Kohli's 112, Raina's 80 & Dhoni!) at times and it was a good collective effort. The good thing was that the team didn't rely on *one* person doing the job. Kohli was consistent and is improving with every game - has an excellent future ahead of him!

Varun Aaron also seems nice and needs to play a lot more games. I also want to see Manoj Tiwary being given a stretch of 10-15 games on the trot. The guy has been really unlucky -- he has played a total of 5 games over a period of 5 years. At the very least, he deserves a few matches at 4-5. He is an excellent fielder, too which brings a lot of value to the team.

Sehwag/Rahane, Gambhir/Mukund, Kohli/Pujara, Rohit Sharma/Manoj Tiwary, Yuvraj Singh/Jadeja, Suresh Raina/Yusuf Pathan, Dhoni, R Ashwin/Harbhajan, PK / Vinay, Zaheer/Ishant Sharma, Varun Aaron/Umesh Yadav.

That's the ODI pool we need to develop!

Posted by From-Toronto on (October 25, 2011, 20:32 GMT)

Now that Team India won 5-0, congrats to them but i think its too early to say that all the problems are solved. We still need good quality bowling attack we need more bowlers like V Aaron and would like to see Ashwin bowling in Test Match.

Posted by bobmartin on (October 25, 2011, 20:31 GMT)

Gloat whilst you can guys..cuz once you get off the plane in Australia, you'll come back to earth with a great big bump... Unless of course one of the Aussies or an umpire upsets you.. then you'll get into a hissy fit and threaten go home in a huff...

Posted by cool2cool on (October 25, 2011, 20:25 GMT)

What happened to the best bowling attack, the attack for all the conditions?

Posted by 2.14istherunrate on (October 25, 2011, 20:21 GMT)

Though this was a total thrashing i think that come the Tests in year's time, the result will be very different. Very. In Australia England had a similar ODI debacle after winning the Test overwhelmingly. This summer in the ODI's though England won it was considerably less convincing than the Test wins.Between now and next year the England side will have played Pak and SL away, and surely to God they will have a better idea of how to play on turning wickets by then. Ajmal should be a trickier proposition than anyoine here.

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 20:20 GMT)

This clearly shows no superior team in the world currently, more eager to see the result of SA vs AUS in SA. A great team needs to win away tours which both India and England have failed to show.

Posted by AK_25 on (October 25, 2011, 20:18 GMT)

i dont thnk swann is the best spinner..he is a very good aggresive if u say best spinner against would be murali.....he was way bettter thn any oneelse....right now...if u see around...thn vettori and saeed ajmal...who can contain indian to som extent....

Posted by bigdhonifan on (October 25, 2011, 20:17 GMT)

Message to Pakistan from India.. Prepare turning pitches in Abu Dhabi... England wont bat 50 overs.. you can win 3-0.... trash them out of #1 rankings.. All the best from India!!!!!

Posted by bigdhonifan on (October 25, 2011, 20:12 GMT)

MSD Cooked British Curry with South African, Indian and Irish spices!!!! SMD is a Legend in making! Best cricketing mind ever!!! Fast and accurate and stylish as a MacPro

Posted by bigwonder on (October 25, 2011, 20:12 GMT)

@OhhhhMattyMatty, Winning Tests is like owning a VCR. It used to be cool, but everyone has moved on ODI and T20! India has found pace in Aaron and its new middle order is starting to shape up. Over all, good series win!!!

Posted by Stark62 on (October 25, 2011, 20:11 GMT)

Is Swann really the best spinner in the world?!?! o.O

Why have Ashwin and Jadeja out performed him on turning pitches?

Vettori is still no. 1 for me!

Posted by duck_and_cover on (October 25, 2011, 20:05 GMT)

Happy diwali from the champions of test cricket.

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 20:03 GMT)

What happened to World no 1 spinner on this spinning wickets :lol:

Posted by vinuuu on (October 25, 2011, 20:02 GMT)


Thats not Luck ... Thats pure Cricket Performance I think Everyone Who criticised India this Summer can shut the Mouths .... So it means England Cricketers can only be Tigers On England Pitches ..... Cant play on Sub-continenr Pitches.... Everyone said England can play on any pitches and Everyone knows the Result

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 20:02 GMT)

Now we know why cook opted to bat in last match - To avoid this kind of humiliation :lol:

Posted by Abam on (October 25, 2011, 20:00 GMT)

England are no match for India, their commentators(sky sports) know this.So none of them accompanied them on this tour.

Posted by dicky_boy on (October 25, 2011, 19:53 GMT)

Seriously you have the best spinner in the world ! The fact that you are saying that is insulting to the art of spin bowling and the only player you are saying u r missing is a player who already played for Ireland , ICC should ban countries who arenot able to produce good cricketers from taking other countries good players And this team is twenty twenty no 1 pathetic

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 19:51 GMT)

that's like England, I remember ! I wish we can play 4 more Tests also to make it all even.

Posted by dicky_boy on (October 25, 2011, 19:50 GMT)

Seriously guys this team is going to challenge us next year lol There top three test batsmen struggled shows they cannot play spin and on a third fourth fifth day Indian track you can expect what will happen to them haha Please comment guys scoreline for next series in india And also mr wombat u can also guess lol

Posted by Brummieexile on (October 25, 2011, 19:49 GMT)

Although it was another abject performance from a spineless England - I have to raise the question of the team selection for this series. Why oh why when we had lost the first two games did Alastair Cook persist in picking county colleague Ravi Bopara as well as a clearly struggling Jonny Bairstow and leave Ian Bell in the changing room? Why when we lost the series did he still do this? Is Cook such a brittle man that he cannot abide the supremely more talented Bell in the side? My understanding is that if KP had been fit Bell would not have played! Time to take stock - and put a proper captain in place - I fear for Ian Bell in the test side once Cook takes over as captain

Posted by Parthi_nava on (October 25, 2011, 19:46 GMT)

ha ha ha... What a payback to England.... Where are the Eng supporters who has criticsed India when India lose 5-0. England are very bad team in one dayers and it has been proved hell lot of times. What happened in england was only an accident as we are the world champions. Also They cannot even qualify to the next stage in T20 worldcup which is going to happen once again in the sub continent. Lol

Posted by Vadlamudi_sp on (October 25, 2011, 19:46 GMT)

I would like to see the faces of three people in particular 1)Nasser hussain (who thought england were the best fielding side in the world and are world beaters in every format) 2)James Anderson(who was scared to even tour India) 3) Graeme Swann ( who was over hyped to be called as best spinner in the world)

Jimmy Anderson..LOL Graeme Swann....Kid Nasser Hussain....keep your head between your knees

Posted by LAKingsFan on (October 25, 2011, 19:46 GMT)

Well, I would like to hear from Boycott, Vaughn and Hussein now.

Posted by PPL11 on (October 25, 2011, 19:35 GMT)

A perfect Diwali Gift :) 5 - 0, that was satisfactory performance by indian team. Now its time for T20. I hope india will take away 1 - 0 with this too. best luck

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 19:29 GMT)

what goes around..comes around

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 19:29 GMT)

what goes around..comes around

Posted by Quazar on (October 25, 2011, 19:22 GMT)

I feel disappointed for England fans, especially those who made it to the grounds in India. Commiserations. But very happy for MS Dhoni's young India! Magnificently played through the series!

Posted by Quazar on (October 25, 2011, 19:22 GMT)

I feel disappointed for England fans, especially those who made it to the grounds in India. Commiserations. But very happy for MS Dhoni's young India! Magnificently played through the series!

Posted by jit_cric on (October 25, 2011, 19:19 GMT)

Well done India.. Hope to see such performances in away series too. Better luck next time England. Best wishes for one off T20 match. N Thank you Team India for 5-0 win, a very good Diwali gift for us Indians.N happy Diwali to everyone.

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 19:16 GMT)

One can easily make out that there is no actual Number one team in the world at the moment for any format of the game..because

1.India the current world champions are yet to win a test series in Australia & South Africa , and are yet to win an ODI series in South Africa.

2. Australia is still rebuilding its team. remember that they lost home test series to England and South Africa.. ODI team looks the best in the world they have won ODI tournaments everywhere

3.South Africa has not won anything big yet.. lost a test series to Australia and had a drawn test series against India in South Africa not so long ago.

4.England may have beaten India 4-0 but their real test is up against India in India , South Africa in South Africa,and Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka.. they should probably not underestimate Pakistan in Abu Dhabi as well. if they manage to win test matches against each of these teams then they are clearly the no.1 test team

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 19:15 GMT)

Congrats MS Dhoni and men, for getting back our crown of honor.

Posted by vinuuu on (October 25, 2011, 19:10 GMT)

England - Last 10 Overs -DNP nice to see that And where are all the England members who critisied India team when they touring Englang this summer and mainly Micheal Vaughan what heis doing - no comments no twitter is he stillin England -- look how easy to say words and that reflected back to the same team.

There might be up and down for each team but the former cricketes make it so worse than what happend mainly Micehal Vaughan (former England Captain)

Posted by pravinh on (October 25, 2011, 19:10 GMT)

ICC have come up with the T 20 rankings just in time before India play England..Eng dethroned us from the No.1 rankings in test and its just fitting that Ind reply by doing the same in T 20..If eng lose the t 20 match, they lose the no 1 ranking..A white wash isnt enough for us after the humiliation we faced in eng..Dethroning eng from no 1 ranking in t 20 will heal our wounds....All the best INDIA...Go ahead and return the favor to England...

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 19:01 GMT)

Well done India! It was a match for England to lose after being 129/0 and they obliged. More than the prowess of the Indian spinners the prejudice the Englishmen had against spin undid them.

India has achieved exactly what England achieved in England. When they play Tests in India we will know whether the circle is complete.

It is ironical that Andy Flower who was such a good player of spin and against India could not find any means to get the English batsmen to counter India's spin effectively.

Posted by RakeshGPradhan on (October 25, 2011, 19:00 GMT)

Thanks MS and India for the best Diwali gift....BCCI and Selectors note the team shorn of its A listers played more for each other than in England and brilliantly led by MS . England have a lot of work to do in this format. First they need a plan for spinning wickets as they look as though they are wearing concrete boots. Second they need to play bairstow as a wicket keeper if he is to be in the team as Kieswetter has cost hem dearly. Third they need to trust their part timers with the ball in pressure situations

Posted by SnowSnake on (October 25, 2011, 18:56 GMT)

I think England should forget the loss ASAP and focus on preserving their T20 #1 rank. There will be time to analyze this loss after T20 match is over.

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 18:51 GMT)

This was not an important series anyway... :). The real cricket will be the test match with Kenya

Posted by muthuthewaves on (October 25, 2011, 18:50 GMT)

wow india got 5th luck in a row. How the hell that can happen. It was england who had match til very end and because of sudden change in nature of pitch and conditions england lost. Hope dhoni changing pitch accordin to him. The victory margin is a bit less than first match's 126. So england has improvement where as india is gettin worse. Hope india wil go downhill soon. The time when tat happens english ppl wud hav forget this game and that had played by their nation. Seriously i dono whether to laugh or get angry on stupid english fans.

Posted by Full-Blooded-Wallop on (October 25, 2011, 18:49 GMT)

I just had a dream that England defeated India in India in 2085 for the first time after a grand 100 years. But then I realized this is a cruel harsh world and it was JUST a dream ;)

Posted by i_witnessed_2011 on (October 25, 2011, 18:49 GMT)

Much satisfying 5-0 result. India really can build another set of good players based on this performance. Confidence is the main factor and Indian players have got that now. It will be easy to rotate players now as India has found out many youngsters who can replace senior players. Indian overseas performance also will improve if selectors decide to continue investing on youngsters. On the other hand England will have to play more n more overseas matches(apart from Aus) esepecially they need to tour subcontinent more. They are no where near no.1 team. Indians fare better than England in overseas condition.

Posted by FrankMeister on (October 25, 2011, 18:47 GMT)

Finally - 10-0 India... I bet you even England can't match that on home soil... and anyway with any good international team - you need to have consistency in rankings within the formats... eng are 1 in tests (not for long), 1 in T20s (no apparent reason why, but only because they have played the most T20) and like 5th in ODI.... whereas India are 3rd, 2nd, and soon to be 2nd in T20I rankings as well...

Posted by streetblader on (October 25, 2011, 18:44 GMT)

Revenge, Sweet Revenge!! Finally this English team has been shown its worth... A few matches won against a top tem like India which had half of its main players injured, and they started harboring thoughts of being WORLD BEATERS!! What a joke... Anyhow, the Indian team has shown their true potential now and its clear that the few wins for the English team were nothing but random flashes in the pan... Look at it anyway, we are ahead by a massive, and i mean MASSIVE, margin as far as the one-dayers are concerned (they won just 3 CLOSE matches while we could have won the other two in England with some luck, while in India the margin of defeats makes me wonder if the English team could win a single match against Bangladesh)... Now, we wait for them to come back for the Test Series and show them whose the Boss!! I predict a whitewash with a possibility of all innings defeats for this bunch...

Posted by AeyKay on (October 25, 2011, 18:38 GMT)

Time for England fans to come out with excuses... England team was helpless, no biased Decision Review System, No Rain to help them, No one from Indian team getting excited because of their known and now established abusive on-field behavior. India was atleast close to victory during Summer series, but what a pathetic performance from England team during this series. If they(England) still think that they can qualify for worldcup 2015 semis, then they are still day dreaming. Sadly most of the cricket writers will still find it difficult to praise India... but that doesn't matter now... Cheers

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 18:38 GMT)

Dont go anywhere englishmen,we've some more to give,,,,,,

Posted by Nutcutlet on (October 25, 2011, 18:37 GMT)

That was awful! After a good start when I was just beginning to dare to hope that a calm, controlled chase would see England home without undue alarms and with minimal exertions, on come the spinners and England's complete lack of technique was ruthlessly and laughably exposed. England might as well tear up the plans so painstakingly put together to become a world force in ODIs. It's time to think afresh! There is only one England batsman of relatively recent times who has shown himself capable of playing spin in the subcontinent with composure and the necessary technique: Graham Thorpe. He played the turning ball late and went with the turn, making rapid adjustments as required. Morgan can play like that, but he wasn't there. Back foot play is a lost art to this crop. The England top order has the heavy frontfoot press and firm hands of Graham Gooch (batting coach) as their trademark and that is an unintelligent appoach. Start again, England! You are amateurs at this game in India!

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 18:37 GMT)

That's Awesome! So England has not won anything in last two tours. While India Won natwest series in 2002. Won a test series in 2007 and 3 ODIs. It's just one bad tour this year.. But England have been a failure here in last 20 years consistantly. Bar just one series where they drew 3-3 in ODIs after losing tests. But how Pathetic. They lost to Irelad also! To Bangladesh also! lol.. What a shame :)

Posted by AbuUSA on (October 25, 2011, 18:34 GMT)

India fried England without Pan, Oil, Fire and spatuala (Shewag, Tendulkar, Yuvraj and Khan). This was amazing performance by World Champs! Hats Off!!

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 18:33 GMT)

well played india we hav brought english team to foot after they mauled us in england.the revenge is always sweet.......

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 18:31 GMT)

Good Job India! England need to learn that it is rain and the D/L rule that plays cricket for them rather than their players.

Posted by the_blue_android on (October 25, 2011, 18:28 GMT)

Why is Graeme Swann struggling on turning tracks?

Posted by somu1984 on (October 25, 2011, 18:26 GMT)

Welcome back India! English players were clueless about what was coming at them. I am absolutely thrilled about the way Indians have played in this series. Many critics have written us off during our dismal show in England and we have managed to silenced that critics for good. As far as stats are concerned we are better than England. English player might be the king in their own backyard but they are equally poor elsewhere and on the contrary we have a pretty decent record outside subcontinent especially when Sourav Ganuly took over the captaincy. Now its our chance to reclaim world no. 1 tag in both the test as well as ODI.

Posted by IndiaPowers on (October 25, 2011, 18:25 GMT)

Not knowing how to play in the subcontinent conditions i wonder how they became No 1 in tests. England must first learn to respect the oppenents then learn how to play cricket.

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 18:24 GMT)

I think England team now know what happens when you open your mouth too wide.. You have stuff more in your mouth then you can swallow / eat / digest.... And same goes to England coach and other English guys....

So guys, now onwards keep your mouth shut or you can have another visit to India anytime......

Posted by EverybodylovesSachin on (October 25, 2011, 18:23 GMT)

I had lot of fun following this series..We miss Sachin and other key players but we will never forget this series..

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 18:22 GMT)

geoffrey boycott , nasser hussain , michael vaughan now u guys can know who r donkeys and who r lions. u r boys not even challenge India in any department.........

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 18:21 GMT)

India at it's best England got what they give to India This is called Tit For Tat. I pray to god for Tendulkar's 100's 100. Dhoni played his best in this series of his career making 212 runs remaining not out in whole series

Posted by Big_Poppa_94 on (October 25, 2011, 18:18 GMT)

Now notice how England didn't even compete in this One Day series besides the 3rd One Dayer. This was the same team England beat in ODI series in England. Don't blame the conditions, please! If India managed to post decent scores on swinging pitches (besides the Oval match) then surely England should be able to score heavily on FLAT INDIAN pitches. Had rain not affected the matches, then the ODI series in England would've been much closer. Our spinners are not Warne, Mendis, Murali etc These pitches were perfect for your precious Graeme Swann LULZ Isn't he supposed to be one of the world's best bowlers? Oh I see... he's just all hype. ROFL ROFL ROFL Your players are internationals. They're not depleted like the Indian team who had NO Sachin, Sehwag, Zaheer Khan and Harbhajan. The likes of Trott, Bopara, Cook, Bell etc have played enough matches in ODIs to know at least how to try and see a team to the finish line. I get... they can't hack the pressure.

Posted by cool2cool on (October 25, 2011, 18:15 GMT)

One thing proved again, Cricket is a great leveler !!!

Posted by screamingeagle on (October 25, 2011, 18:14 GMT)

Well, thats that. Pretty much sums up the series that procession. No fight, no plan, no skill.

Posted by cool2cool on (October 25, 2011, 18:12 GMT)

Indian batting was going to struggle against Swann, the no. 1 spinner. Swann was supposed to destroy the Indian batting line up. What happened?

Posted by sachbak on (October 25, 2011, 18:12 GMT)

hahaha india won 5-0, deserved!

Posted by bumsonseats on (October 25, 2011, 18:11 GMT)

pitiful performance i thought we would get beat. 4 - 1 was my forecast it was not the losing it. it as the way we lost. india can be happy as we were during our summer but at least they seemed to try. gutless england. dpk

Posted by Big_Poppa_94 on (October 25, 2011, 18:11 GMT)

An astonishing batting collapse by England. This is literally the SAME Indian team that got beaten in England. Funny thing is, that in England, India actually competed on the one dayers. Sure they were out played in the Test Series, and credit deservedly goes to England. However... 1st ODI India posted 274 and reduced England to 27 for 2 (7.2 overs) before rain saved England. That match got abandoned. 2nd ODI the game got reduced to 23 overs (I believe) and India managed 188 (I think). When a game is reduced to 20 odd overs, the game becomes a matter of chance. T20 is about chancing your innings and getting a bit of luck. 3rd ODI was in Oval. India were 50 for 5 and mustered 230 odd runs. From that position in swinging conditions, India did REALLY WELL to get to that total. 4th ODI, game got tied and yet again rain hampered India's victory. 5th ODI, India got 304 on an ENGLISH PITCH but thanks to rain, the reduced overs enabled England to chase easily.

Posted by mritunjai on (October 25, 2011, 18:10 GMT)

! more to nail in the coffin....

Posted by cool2cool on (October 25, 2011, 18:09 GMT)

When England arrived in India, Swann said that there would be another whitewash, how correct he was?

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 18:08 GMT)

To call England the number one team in the world in any format is embarrassing. The guys look hopeless against spin. Weakness has been noted. Tailor made pitches await England when they come over next year for the test series. With Shewag, Dravid and Tendulkar returning to the test side, aided by Ashwin, Jadeja a fit again Zaheer some pace from Aaron and Yadav and I am looking forward to another white wash. England has to beat SL and Pakistan first. With no green tops, swinging Duke Balls and dodgy DRS referrals England are exposed for what they are an ordinary side

Posted by cool2cool on (October 25, 2011, 18:07 GMT)

4 spinners in an inning, this is not the spirit of the cricket !!!

Posted by CricIndia208 on (October 25, 2011, 18:06 GMT)


Posted by cool2cool on (October 25, 2011, 18:02 GMT)

I was on my way home when saw the scoreboard, England 125 for no loss in 20 odd overs. I thought, match would be finished before I reach home. And interestingly, it did...

Posted by Kosh999 on (October 25, 2011, 18:02 GMT)

To be the man you gotta beat the man....and MSDhoni is most certainly the man......

Posted by vinayespn on (October 25, 2011, 18:00 GMT)

Congratulations Team India for inflicting a humiliating 5-0 whitewash of England!! Ashwin, Kohli, Jadeja and Rahane have done their chances no harm whatsover for upcoming WI series with their brilliant performances.. Bhajji might have to wait a bit longer to get a call back from the selectors!! However, apart from England team management, Indian board have got more things to worry too as crowds in most cities have stayed away from the stadiums.. They need to put their heads together and rethink about the number of matches they play every year.. Is it because of T20 overdose?

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 17:58 GMT)

ha ha ha ha laugh of relief. . . now i dont feel awestruck after looking at england cricket team

Posted by saiprathap on (October 25, 2011, 17:57 GMT)

every dog has a day ,, Its ours nw............ WHITE WASH...:-D Congrats team india..:-)

Posted by asthomas911 on (October 25, 2011, 17:57 GMT)

At last I am starting to like Dhoni.. Perhaps I should have liked him a long time ago

Posted by Nalinikanta on (October 25, 2011, 17:55 GMT)

Well done Team India, let this be the beginning of a new era, not the end. Happy Diwali to all ESPNcricinfo visitors...

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 17:54 GMT)

England failed in all department, except Finn no positive. Cook failed as a captain while Dhoni proved that he is still the best..lots of positive for India in batting and bowling but fielding throughout the series was excellent(now I would like to hear from Nasser Hussain ;-) ...India is very strong at home and hard to beat...Everyone talking about India's poor performance in England, but it was different and difficult situation for India, played competitive ODI but we were outplayed in Test...I bet if England play test match series in India they will be also outplayed and no wonder if they lose their no 1 test ranking...Both team has some excellent and great talent but until unless they dont perform in different conditions they will be history they have to perform in different and testing conditions

Posted by kingcobra85 on (October 25, 2011, 17:53 GMT)

I think this is also farewell series for some senior indian players...i hope they will stick with this young side for westindies and australia...will be great side by 2015 world cup downunder....good bye bhajji.

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 17:53 GMT)

The great english side. :D

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 17:51 GMT)

A great way to start the Diwali Celebrations for Team India

Posted by delastbastion on (October 25, 2011, 17:50 GMT)

ok, this........ I think, puts the summer euphoria of the english in proper perspective. A similar hiding in a test series should bring them all back to terra firma. best?...what best?

Posted by ramesh5 on (October 25, 2011, 17:49 GMT)

Congratulations to Dhoni and his team for whitewashing England in the one day series. But there is a disturbing thought about his captaincy. He does not have vision in building a strong pace attack. The way he has handled the new genuine fast bowlers shows his lack of vision. Why does he lack confidence in Aron and Umesh Yadav who are fast and in their place prefers the medium paced Praveen Kumar and Vinay Kumar. He just gave three overs to Aron and preferred even part time bowlers over Aron. Dhoni does not have a vision for India.

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 17:49 GMT)

great series for the young indian brigade, but this young guys should be given a chance to play in abroad series to groom their talent.Hard luck for English the thing is they lost some key moments especially some imoprtant catches which would turn around the momentum and they seems to be more defensive.Another key thing which should be consider seriously is the Empty stands... anything which crosses the limit will be bad this applies for cricket too.. fans will get bored of contineous matches.. If BCCI did not felt it then the result may be worse..

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 17:49 GMT)

slow but steady win d race....Dhoni d COOLSTAR again prove tat.....thumbs up....5-0 humiliating crush for d british...hahah

Posted by predfox on (October 25, 2011, 17:48 GMT)

This match was englands best chance to take a game. Not only because of the opening stand, but also based on recent data. Predictive analytics in cricket tells us that for India to win a match they need at least two 50+ partnerships. This match had only one!

Posted by Abam on (October 25, 2011, 17:47 GMT)

Whitewash complete,pride restored.

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 17:45 GMT)

colony cricket team in my hometown plays better spin than England managed to do.

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 17:44 GMT)

So any English fan out there?

Posted by xylo on (October 25, 2011, 17:42 GMT)

done and dusted. can we get to diwali please?

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 17:42 GMT)

The series must have been rigged to ensure that the golden goose keeps laying eggs.

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 17:41 GMT)

Finally ENGLAND got taste of their own medicine!!!! well played INDIA!!!!!!

Posted by DesiCricketfan on (October 25, 2011, 17:41 GMT)

What an excellent game, ofcourse i stopped watching when it was 101 for no loss. I thought England will win but they crumbled like nine pins. No matter what people say we all wanted a whitewash after what happened in England. Atleast Team India gave an excellent fight. Congratulations to Team India for a well deserved victory and series Whitewash.

Posted by ONLINE007 on (October 25, 2011, 17:41 GMT)

LEAST EXPECTED from England !!EMBARRASSMENT for English fans and English cricket :(

Come back before you get "clean sweep" in Test Series as well...

Loads of stories were said about England becoming the NO.1 TEST SIDE and having the potential to be the NO.1 ODI SIDE ....

Me, as an English Cricket fan think there are so many changes that has to be done in the way English cricketers are developed ...

P.S. INDIA looked like they were the best CRICKET TEAM on PLANET o_O

Posted by bodepudi on (October 25, 2011, 17:40 GMT)

Sweet !!! England, just like India, failed to adapt to hosts weather and conditions.

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 17:40 GMT)

Last Summer, the Barmy army came up with a song to taunt India...."Can we play you every week?" After this drubbing maybe we should respond by saying "Can we play you every DAY"!!!

Posted by 2.14istherunrate on (October 25, 2011, 17:39 GMT)

Kolkatha provided another black hole for England today to slide into. The problem is that these are supposed to be the cream of English batting. One of the commentators suggested they play off the back foot more. They could also use the middle of their bats. That was awesomely pathetic even by our standards. The Indian spinners are hardly household names after all.

Posted by teekayyes on (October 25, 2011, 17:39 GMT)

thanx is he cricket GOD r wat..emphatic victory for the Indians..cant get better than this..if this wud ve happened before the english summer the celebration ll b altogether different..anyways thanx again to MSD n team for giving us this gr8 diwali gift..happy diwali guys;) jai ho!!!

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 17:38 GMT)

great victory for India.. Hats off to MSD!!!

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 17:37 GMT)

It was mysterious, the way in which the English collapsed today. It was even more mysterious how the pitch started to act so menacingly all of a sudden. But then, all credit to Indian spinners i guess. The Indians must now properly nurture the two young quicks. Otherwise we will continue to be hopeless travellers, especially in tests. And England must quickly make an effective strategy for ODIs, otherwise, such humiliation would continue everywhere. But Finn is my man of the series. He is a gem. Nurture him properly.

Posted by Sammy02 on (October 25, 2011, 17:36 GMT)

I don't know how England find their own way of losing this match, they were 120 for no loss n were going more than 6 an over and in no time they were back in the hut. Well played India! Especially spinners Jaddu & Ashwin. England need to develop the art of playing spin, only positive for them so far in this tour is Finn.

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 17:35 GMT)

Well done Men in Blue .... Good to see you winning... Pity on Poms though

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 17:34 GMT)

This whitewash is just a small consolation for the tour whitewash earlier to Engliand. The loss of Test No.1 is a much greater wound to heal with a pointless one day series like this. nevertheless, Its great to see the team back to their winning ways, atleast in the one dayers and for sure the following T20 too. But the greatest test awaits down under and its going to be an acid test. much much greater than what Englishmen threw at them in England.

Posted by ubarasia on (October 25, 2011, 17:34 GMT)

LOLZ. I remember it's not a revenge series buttt......

Posted by Godhelpus on (October 25, 2011, 17:32 GMT)

Graeme Swann abuses his team mates on the field , writes terrible things about Pietersen and he will be in charge of England's T 20 team on Saturday, what a joke ! England should learn from the Indians, you can't compere Cook to Dhoni. Cook is a boy trying to take on a man. India has shown England how to play cricket. At least you were the so called best team for three weeks , and by the way tell Steven Finn to stop throwing his toys out of his pram.He needs to grow up and act like the Indians, true sportsmen and World champions.

Posted by sashi94 on (October 25, 2011, 17:32 GMT)

So much for being the new #1 team in world cricket and Swann saying that they have the best top order in the world!! haha.. Losing 5-0 to an Indian side which did not feature Sehwag, Tendulkar, Yuvraj, Zaheer and Ishant is quite bad. Another interesting thing to note is the worlds #1 spinner and bowler Swann was unable to make an impact on turning tracks while youngsters Ashwin and Jadeja bamboozled. Thanks to England for coming to India right after that horrible series.. Just to show the Indian fans that whatever happened in England was an aberration.

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 17:31 GMT)

I think this is the worst performance of England. 47/10 is not less than ugly. India still is a depleated side without having Sehwag, Sachin, Harbhajan, Zaheer and Munaf who were the key players in India's world cup winning side. Hats off to the young players.

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 17:31 GMT)

ppl were crying out for bell ... what difference he made ???? once again india outplayed england...

Posted by DJ_Rambo on (October 25, 2011, 17:29 GMT)

Brilliant summarization of a terrific performance by India's skipper, MS!

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 17:29 GMT)

Hahaha :D

Cant stop laughing..this england side was a joke against spin.

I wish they play test series in india side will be thrashed in the same way ;)

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 17:28 GMT)

With England's last trip to India, the score line is 10-0. So much for the so-called top team in the world. They should now try and get players from subcontinent too. SA+subcontinent players will definitely make England a top team

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 17:27 GMT)

Excellent performance Team India.

Posted by soze_keyser on (October 25, 2011, 17:25 GMT)

The meek surrender from England in 4 out of the 5 ODIs took the sheen off how emphatic India have been in the series. The English team's performance has indeed been abject. A lot of it can be attributed to the absence of genuine spin-friendly tracks in the English county competitions, one would think. Contrast this with the Australian domestic competitions where you'd find places like Sydney and Adelaide which assist spin . No wonder they have the likes of Michael Hussey and Michael Clark who play spin very well ( one of the reasons for their recent success in SriLanka). For now, the ECB can shrug the embarrassment off as being an exception in an otherwise very successful year, or spot it as being a problem area in the English Cricket ( sth without which holding on to the no.1 spot for long would be an unrealistic expectation).

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 17:25 GMT)

Congratulations to Dhoni and his men who waged dour battles to finish 5-0 winners. It relieves a bit (yes, only a bit) of pain from the humiliation they suffered in England in the summer.

Its the selectors, who perforce stumbled into selecting the best team on merit, that made the biggest difference. They are still apt to go for reputations in the next series as they most often do not bother with analyzing their wins, much less their defeats.

But that will be India's undoing as all the improvement we have seen in fielding will get tossed out the window. Will they ever remember that it is the Indian team's new found flair for fielding that has brought them the laurels in this series? I do not think they have that strong a memory. Euphoria is a wonderful feeling, but it is only for the fools.

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 17:23 GMT)

outstanding performance by young INDIA.....come on continue to do the same...

Posted by vioo on (October 25, 2011, 17:22 GMT)

Once again MSD proved by leading frm d front...Well done dhoni n co....keep it up...v r pleased wit ur performance today...Happy diwali to all cricinfo fans...

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 17:20 GMT)

The series was perfectly scripted. India will struggle on fast bouncy wickets and England will struggle on slow turning wickets.. If only we can have a series on a neutral venue to decide the real fate..

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 17:19 GMT)

Someone was saying 3-2 , 4-1 now howabout 5-0, boasting of swann being the world's no1 spinner hasnt taken a wicket on a spin friendly pitch whereas india spun england out with jadeja taking 4! Ashwin 3 raina 1 and tiwary 1,.Werent able to dismiss dhoni neither in england neither in india. Having been outplayed in batting, bowling and fielding comprehensively unlike when in england they were close games what do you blokes have to say now???

Posted by OhhhhMattyMatty on (October 25, 2011, 17:19 GMT)

Winning ODIs is like being on the WTA Tennis Tour. It looks good, but no-one really cares! England have achieved their aims from this series. More experience for Cook as captain, youngsters getting experience: Meaker, Bairstow, Finn and Borthwick. And Steven Finn establishing himself as the 3rd best quick bowler in the world behind Steyn and Anderson (Joint 1st)!

Posted by D.S.A on (October 25, 2011, 17:19 GMT)

Two teams not playing well in each other's much for world class players that should be able to play anywhere. Two awful teams.

Posted by lepidocephalichthys_thermalis on (October 25, 2011, 17:19 GMT)

Refuse to believe that the team which won 5-0 in England could lose 0-5 in India within a month. Something fishy is going on here.

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 17:19 GMT)

@English fans,.............- L.O.L

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 17:18 GMT)

This is just the begnning.. More white-washes await England when they tour India next year for a test and ODI series..

I wont say that the no.1 tag in tests is a flash in a pan but Indian team was fatigued when they toured England.. Soon Zaheer, Sachin, Sewhag, Harbhajan, etc will be back in full strength and then England will have serious answering to do.. Jadeja and Varun Aron were the find of the series in my opinion.. Ashwin is improving.. He'll soon be the best off spinner over taking the hyped Swann..

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 17:17 GMT)

To be very honest, as an Indian support, I couldn't care less about this series. Too much overkill, and it just highlights the fact that India is only good in the subcontinent.

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 17:16 GMT)

M S D deserved to be the man of the series, as shastri said he is one the greatest finishers of modern day cricket

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 17:15 GMT)

India can play beter in seaming condn than eng in spining condn I cant imagine that such a gud test team cant play if india dont deserv to be no 1 than we shudnt even talk of eng being no. 1 ...englsh team is gud for nothin...

Posted by partha132 on (October 25, 2011, 17:15 GMT)

Well the series was rightly termed "THE PAYBACK SERIES"

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 17:14 GMT)

The important thing is will India able to win something when they travel to Australia in December. The media should stop making a hype of this victory. Its good that India finally won. But important thing is can they avoid another humiliation in Australia or will they be spanked by Australia the same way they were spanked by England.

Posted by mak102480 on (October 25, 2011, 17:10 GMT)

England are clearly missing harbhajan...they can't seem to handle good spinners like ashwin and jadeja. haha!

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 17:08 GMT)

england get ready for ur so called "reforms".i'm lol in the floor they can't even play 40 overs.their technically sound batsmen against spin is "excellent" especially bairstow's dismissal in last two games and his expression after getting out in mumbai.rofl

Posted by simpleadmin on (October 25, 2011, 17:08 GMT)

y no statements frm mr hussain,mr vaughan,,,,wher r u guys,,,,this is perfect payback,,,

Posted by Shan123gym on (October 25, 2011, 17:07 GMT)

Team India deserves this series win:) Now all the Indian cricket fans in England can rise their shirt collar and walk in the street..... It is a collective effort of all the indian players... Hope they will continue their good form in the forthcoming matches... This series win against england is the great diwali treat for all the indians....

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 17:07 GMT)

India at least gave fight to England in England and England is beaten hands down here.. I know people will say win is a win and in fact that's true but for a true sports person fight does MATTER.... I wished England could show some fight like India did in the ODIs in England.. at least some of those matches were very close...... Having said that White Washes are not good for cricket.. we watch cricket to see the competition and fight between the teams...

Posted by worldchampionsx3 on (October 25, 2011, 17:07 GMT)

Well England, you just got WHITEWASHED!!!!

Posted by Romenevans on (October 25, 2011, 17:06 GMT)

So now the South Africa Version 2 chokes as well? LOL It was hilarious to see jade dernback having a go at Jadega when jaddu was talking something to Bell. That was not needed at all.

Posted by balajik1968 on (October 25, 2011, 17:05 GMT)

At one point, when England was 120/0, I went channel surfing, pretty sure it would be 4-1, with the likes of Trott and Bell to follow. When I came back, I was shocked, England was 5 down. Bopara and Bresnan were very ordinary, with a pretty innocuous delivery gave Manoj Tiwari his first international wicket. I don't know what went wrong for England, but I never expected 5-0.

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 17:05 GMT)

All victories on home soil should bring zero points....that way India and England can be at the bottom of the ICC rankings....where they deserve to be...

Posted by JG2704 on (October 25, 2011, 17:05 GMT)

Awful collapse. It seems that we are a 1 step forward , 2 steps back team in this format of the game. What has happened to the consistent bowling of Bresnan , the promise of Dernbach and the promise of guys like Bairstow and Bopara. I have said for ages that Bell is not good in the OD format. What is strange is that (whether it is deserved or not) we areat 1 in T20 which is further away from the test format which we excel in than the OD format. I feel we will definitely be knocked off that spot on Saturday but it seems strange that that we are half decent in T20's but so poor in 50 over cricket.

Posted by 5wombats on (October 25, 2011, 17:05 GMT)

Well - that was pretty terrible from England. Note; no excuses offered. Offering excuses is pathetic, and we had plenty of excuses all summer. Indeed, some indians are still offering excuses. Anyway - it's only india and it's only ODI in their backyard. I think india are a useful side at home on pitches built for them. Away from india though it's another story. A really good ODI side would be able to go to a country like South Africa, England, Australia, or Zimbabwe and win. I haven't noticed india doing any of those things recently - which explains indias middle ranking in ODI. Same problem, only much worse in Tests. A true number one Test side should be able to go to a country like Australia or England and win a Test series, or at least one Test in a series - and I haven't noticed india doing that recently either. Notice that I am not excusing England for their poor performance. I feel that it is important, while india are happy, to point out that a plane ride to Australia awaits...

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 17:04 GMT)

wow,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,wru nasir!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 17:04 GMT)

great team effort team india,beware Seniors..YOUNG TURKS R COMING

Posted by anupamraj114 on (October 25, 2011, 17:04 GMT)

well done india.....england's batting truly exposed on turning track.....they need to put a lot of effort before they start dreaming abt winning tests in subcontinent....

Posted by hems4cric on (October 25, 2011, 17:03 GMT)

Congratulations to India!!!! Well Played England...

Posted by jatin17 on (October 25, 2011, 17:03 GMT)

well done india ! atleast earned some respect back ! whats more important is team has achieved this feat without some of the senior players ... Happy diwali to all readers !

Posted by Raman.UV on (October 25, 2011, 17:02 GMT)

indian selector must drop vinay aravind mithun and get back to our regular bowlers with the likes of nehra ishant munaf zak(if fit) along with varun and umesh. rather than going with same military medium attack. before the start of this series vinay said in the media that now he is a senior bowler in the team and will guide new young bowlers. i don't know how he will guide young bowler of his age and with better pace line and control.

Posted by NaniIndCri on (October 25, 2011, 17:01 GMT)

So much for the world's best spinner could not take any wickets while other average spinners got plenty.

Posted by dicky_boy on (October 25, 2011, 17:00 GMT)

What a pathetic team, a At east we bat well in England too our scores consistently 290 in England too , and now please Bangladesh play better than this team

Posted by doesitmatter on (October 25, 2011, 16:59 GMT)

hahahahahaha .. hehehehe :)

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 16:59 GMT)

India after all is not that bad as they have poorly exhibited in England. Dhoni had a score to settle & he did it in style & with conviction. Now no one will question about his leadership & particularly about his batting form. But why are Michael Vaughan, Ian Botham & others are keeping quiet? where are they hiding?

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 16:59 GMT)

I was a little upset that CSK didn't qualify for Semi-finals in the Champions Leaque. Thank God, they didn't. M S Dhoni, R Ashwin and Suresh Raina got at least a week rest and now see the result. Had Dhoni Raina Kohli and Ashwin skipped the CL 2011, England would have been annihilated now, blown away in less than 20 -30 overs. Also, this is time Harbhajan, Yuvaraj, Zakeer, Sehwag and also Sachin can think of slowly phasing out their career as Dravid respectfully did. Else, time will come and they will be pushed out rather ugly. Youngsters always do better. Just look at the electrifying fielding, better than South Africa at times.

Posted by dicky_boy on (October 25, 2011, 16:58 GMT)

Hello please we want some competition lol and this team on Indian third fourth day spinning tracks in India pleaseeeeee lol .... Now for you in world cup we gave you a flat track now in the test series it will be a masaaacare lol three of your technically sound batsmen bell, cook troott looked like amateurs , be ready England fans it will boom boom boom lol one more washout

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 16:58 GMT)

England were riding high after becoming No.1 in tests and beating India in the one-day series in England, they were really confident enough to beat India in their own backyard which was understandable. but they forgot that the conditions would be totally different, and that too a lot of them are first-timers in India. Remember they lost 5-0 during their previous visit too, a team which had better experienced players. Now that its all over, they should learn their mistakes and try to come-back strong when they play India in India next time. For Indians, a great one-day series and that too without the mainstream players, totally impressed with the younger players. well done India and happy Diwali to all !!!

Posted by PatrioticIndian on (October 25, 2011, 16:57 GMT)

Congratulations to the Indian team for giving a white wash for this England team. We are very much satisfied . Summer series was hot ......this winter series is so cool. Continue the same form in the T20 game . All the very best !

Posted by brittop on (October 25, 2011, 16:57 GMT)

"we're so bad it's unbelievable"

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 16:57 GMT)

Let the flood of comments begin...

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 16:56 GMT)

Congratulation Team India..!! This is what we Indians wanted.. Apart from winning the toss, England have 3 major problems now.. They cant bowl, they cant bat and they cant field!!! God save them!!

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 16:56 GMT)

Swann No 1 bowler =)) My foot Avg of 100+ in India where jadeja is firing and even tiwary got a a wik

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 16:55 GMT)

5-0 like a cherry on the cake ...cook and co. have to think better ways of winning matches rather than just bad mouthing n sledging they aren't of any use with this Indian team . at least in India `s 4-0 loss India had some positives this series has none except Finn .. England did nothing right neither bowling nor fielding n batting was worse than gully cricket .... happy diwali to all n let the party begin ..

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 16:54 GMT)

5-0 looks a great scoreline, make it 6-0 by winning T20 as well. As long as ball turns England can never win in INDIA , just a sample of what will happen in next year's test series.... well done INDIA

Posted by Dr.Vindaloo on (October 25, 2011, 16:54 GMT)

Congrats to India on a professional job. The last year has proved that they are almost invincible at home in ODIs. When all's said and done though, wasn't this series just a cash-generating exercise devoid of any significance in the wider cricketing context? India at least had the motivation of avenging the humiliation of the English summer, which gave the marketing people something to work with, but really this was scraping the international cricket barrel. If the ICC wanted to show leadership and good sense, which it rarely does, it should insist that any series/tour should contain at least three test matches, otherwise we're just dealing in meaningless and forgettable froth.

Posted by EverybodylovesSachin on (October 25, 2011, 16:53 GMT)

England cannot play SPIN..Cannot win in India..Cannot be number one team in any format..Last time England won ODi or Test series in India was in 1984..

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 16:53 GMT)

@5wombat, I can say Eng can't play spin at all, either of part time spinner. What happened to I Bell He is luky that drop on 0.but caught on 2. Eng 47-9 in front of spinner more poorer then bangladesh,u r now going to trash in srilanka , pakistan(dubai) and Bangladesh.

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 16:53 GMT)

WHITE WASH.....................

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 16:52 GMT)

#The English Supporters should accept that their team can win only in England/Australia like conditions in both Tests & ODIs.

#All the hype regarding Bell's exclusion was laid to rest today!

#"World's Best Spinner" GP Swann is not among the Top-10 Wicket-takers in this series! 2 for191 World Class. Eh ?

#The memory of England being beaten by Ireland in the World Cup is still afresh.

#England should start their preparation for Pakistan series because Pakistan's quality spin will be too good to end their lucky run as the Ranked one Test team & bring them back to reality!

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 16:52 GMT)

Well it was a emphatic series victory, but we need to improve a lot , I personally won't consider India a professional team till they win series against Aussie in their soil , I want to see the invincibility of Indian team like Aussie team possessed at the time of Steve Waugh, win every where white wash every team on their homeland

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 16:52 GMT)

so now the whole circle is complete.....those eng fans giving excuse of exclusion of bell should shut their mouth now.

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 16:50 GMT)

England Players, show some respect to your opponent after loosing the series comprehensively. You are good in your backyard but we are exceptional at ours, hope you win the only t20 game to restore some pride as t20 world champs, ranked1. Atleast,show show some fight so that we could realize we are playing modern advice don loose the last league with 10 or more overs to spare, remember it is 20-20, we fancy the game 50-50.Good Luck England Team !!

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 16:50 GMT)

task completed.well played team india.

Posted by rob_damn on (October 25, 2011, 16:50 GMT)

5wombats... r u here mate... dint hear from u for quiet some time... well werent we told england gona take this 5-0... o dear it is 5-0 but the other way...

u were right btw..."delusions are free at first, but costly in the hindsight"

Posted by USUKFriend on (October 25, 2011, 16:49 GMT)


Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 16:49 GMT)

Well done India. All the win was clean, no d/l like how eng tricked India in the previous series loss. A fitting reward to all Indians. Happy Diwali folks

Posted by Godhelpus on (October 25, 2011, 16:49 GMT)

Oh dear England , you've been humiliated. The mighty India has crushed you. We had no Sehwag, Tendulkar, Yuvraj and we still absolutely tore you apart.

Posted by knan on (October 25, 2011, 16:48 GMT)

What a collapse !! Pathetic display by the English team. They seem to want to prove that they could be worse than the Indian test team. If this had been Pakistan collapsing, whispers would have started by now.

Posted by Rohan_K on (October 25, 2011, 16:47 GMT)

Shameless England losing all 10 wickets for 47 runs...its club side away from home...We will pull our no.1 in tests crown soon as the world knows Eng cannot beat any asian side in asia at this point in any format, they could not win against the Steve waugh Australian side and were white washed everytime...5-0 here is still not enuf to over shadow 4-0 test loss but we will reverse it against poor England!!!!!

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 16:47 GMT)

back with a bang ... men in blue thrash eng 5-0....

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 16:47 GMT)

It was a PAYBACK time and TEAM India did that and in some Style..gr8 to see that Passion when they are playing here.. Would seriously love when India beats them in their home soil..But I am sure they will do for sure..

Posted by vertical on (October 25, 2011, 16:47 GMT)

I did not like the series being labeled payback series by neo cricket.Tom Alter an avid cricket fan makes this point in a nice article

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 16:47 GMT)

Congratulation Team India..!! This is what we Indians wanted.. Apart from winning the toss, England have 3 major problems now.. They cant bowl, they cant bat and they cant field!!! God save them!!

Posted by ms.arjun on (October 25, 2011, 16:46 GMT)

Payback Indeed!!! Dhoni has developed his own unique way of shutting the mouths of all his criticizers.

Posted by mm71 on (October 25, 2011, 16:45 GMT)

Well, the last time they sledged, Zaheer Khan taught them a lesson, this time the whole Indian team taught them a lesson they wont forget in a hurry. I cant understand the bit about chatter. Does acting like a hoodlum give any advantage? Dont remember a wicket lost due to sledging. If anything, it probably increases the resolve of the batsmen. This is so 80s, when hotheads like Kapil or Chetan Sharma used to throw away their wickets after some sledging. The current teams, all of them, go through heavy mental conditioning. What were the Englishmen thinking when they thought sledging as a on the field strategy would be effective

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 16:45 GMT)

Now everyone got the answer for last match- Why Cook chose to bat first ?. To avoid this kind of humiliation :lol:

Posted by USUKFriend on (October 25, 2011, 16:44 GMT)

ohhh yeahh... 5-0 Whitewash.

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 16:44 GMT)

i wonder what this man dhoni is made of? always leading from the front. cool as the himalayas, no matter what the situation is. hope the selectors persist with the youngsters. perfect billing as the pay back series. hope we continue this performance abroad as well

Posted by voma on (October 25, 2011, 16:43 GMT)

As an England fan , this series has been an embarrasment really . Congratulations to India , you have played brilliant cricket ! . A lot of the blame has to go on the senior players and manager Andy Flower . He drops swann in the last game , then peiterson in this one . Honestly its plain to see that the younger players are struggling , what was the point of taking Ian Bell on the tour ? . But Steven Finn has been exceptional , the guy is class .

Posted by vasu_kpm on (October 25, 2011, 16:43 GMT)

First, Congrats Team India. What a pasting they gave to the Poms. I do not remember exactly the name of the critic, who said very nasty things when India was outplayed on their tour of England. whatever was said then was in very bad taste. He said something like dogs and all that stuff. History repeats itself, but so quickly! poor chap, I would like to ask that critic, whatever happened to the Englishmen?

Posted by Precioustar84 on (October 25, 2011, 16:43 GMT)

Bring in Bell!! Bring in Bell! Well, he sure was useless for England and looks like he wouldn't have made a difference either way. I don't believe in payback or revenge so won't go there. India Out-captained Cook and Outplayed in all areas of cricket. Team India had ODI whitewash in England, yes, but India had brought far more challenge in England than what England brought to India. And at least, India behaved far more graciously than England team. Cricket not such a gentlemen's game to England after all. Anyways, congrats to India on a great finish to the series!! One more to go in T20. Better luck next time England. :)

Posted by agam99 on (October 25, 2011, 16:43 GMT)

5-0 whitewash.....5-0 whitewash....heard something pommies ???

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 16:43 GMT)

The Indian Carnage bled blue.......... MSD rockz!!!!!

Posted by Somnambulist on (October 25, 2011, 16:42 GMT)

Whatever happened to nasty comments from Nasir Husaain et el!!!! donkeys blah blah ...

Indians were utterly tired back then. That is the only truth

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 16:42 GMT)

wonderful....Have you guys seen Jadega getting bullied after the match?? I overlooked it...

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 16:41 GMT)

Ha ha ha...England got the right treatment from Team India..and without any fuss..unlike England who won it more on basis of Duckworth Lewis and rain and less on performance..!! Job well done Team India...!! Rub more salt to the wound in the T20's..!! :)

Posted by gannyboy on (October 25, 2011, 16:40 GMT)

Make way Swann, Ashwin is coming to get the No.1 spot and a request to the selectors please cont with the young side just for the sake of there fielding abilities.

Posted by oj..cricfan on (October 25, 2011, 16:40 GMT)

Gift wrapped and paid back to Eng.. 5-0... Happy Diwali!!!

Posted by bobmartin on (October 25, 2011, 16:40 GMT)

Nothing really new in this latest ODI defeat... Everyone, barring those who can't see the wood for trees, knows that for some inexplicable reason, India are almost impossible to beat at home. Many have tried, but very few have succeeded. So why should we be surprised at this latest home win. It won't make that much difference to the rankings of either England or India, but it will have raised some cash for the coffers. Although judging by the lack of numbers coming thro the turnstiles at Kolkata, the goose that lays the golden egg maybe being asked to lay too many. With a full test, ODI and T20 series to come between these two sides in the not too distant future, apart from milking the cash cow and appeasing the TV franchises, one wonders what this series has achieved. Indian supporters will no doubt be hailing this as revenge for the defeat in England.. That's OK for the ODI series, but you have a while to wait to avenge the test defeats.. So all-in-all a waste of tim.e

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 16:39 GMT)

Now, every one may talk about dhoni's luck. He is a Captian cool.Well done dhoni and Team..I always believe that you can do it and you did it!!!!!

Posted by AgeySuhas on (October 25, 2011, 16:39 GMT)

‎"To Every action, There is equal and apposite reaction"

Now Ask Nasser Hussen Who are Donkeys.................?

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 16:38 GMT)

What a difference a few months and a few thousand miles make! The swashbuckling Indians back home, with home cooked meals, returned the favour by whitewashing England 5-0. Now, if they can replicate this in the test series, thay will return to my good graces.Good to see Dhoni and Kohli dominate.

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 16:37 GMT)

MSD is just awesome..he is not just the champion of bat-ball game but the master of the mind game behind it

Posted by Cpt.Meanster on (October 25, 2011, 16:36 GMT)

All I can say is that I feel SORRY for England. Pathetic performance yet again. Simply don't know how to play ODI cricket. They can't give excuses anymore that they don't fancy one day cricket. 50 over cricket is a premier format of the game and England are hopeless. India have gone from strength to strength. The young Indians look exciting and promising. Brilliant fielding, brilliant batting, brilliant bowling from India. Only Steven Finn looks like a class act in a team with some questionable individuals. I always expected this result even before the start of the series. A complete and thorough whitewash. WELL DONE India !!

Posted by RAMKI2404 on (October 25, 2011, 16:36 GMT)

England couldn't get Dhoni out in his last six innings. Ind is fortunate to have captain who is a backbone of Indian batting and does keep wicket. Congrats Dhoni for two successfull MOS and for the whitewash.

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 16:36 GMT)

1st .........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................!

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 16:36 GMT)

congrats to india for 5-0 and waiting for t-20 ......

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 16:35 GMT)

Nice performance by INDIA... It is the matter of confidence that they go from the wins in previous matches. See the difference when India lost first 3 wickets quickly, Tiwary & Raina didnt let the runrate to come down. But just opposite happened with English. Jadeja is the most improved player after been dropped both in batting and bowling and his fielding was been always well above average. Congrats Kohli, Jadeja, Tiwary & Raina for there wonderful fieldingefforts.. India got all their frontline batsmen- Rahane, Gambhir, Kohli, Raina, Dhoni & Jadeja in very good form... The frontline spinners Jadeja & Aswin has been magnificent with the bowl.. Also nice to watch Varun Aaron, he real founding of he series & Umesh Yadav both speeding regularly at 140-146kmph. Once agin congratulations INDIAN team...

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 16:35 GMT)

Jeo india. Indeed , this series has been proved as payback series with 1 T20 to play....

Posted by I_AM_INDIA_SUPPORTER on (October 25, 2011, 16:35 GMT)

Well done India ....Best Diwali gift for the T20 also...Come on India

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 16:35 GMT)

Hurrrayyyyyyyyyyyyyy Its the biggest Diwali for all Indians ..Perfect Payback

Posted by Balumekka on (October 25, 2011, 16:35 GMT)

Thanks team India for pulling Eng down on earth. Good luck for T20 and Tests! greetings from Sri Lanka

Posted by nirajrb on (October 25, 2011, 16:34 GMT)

@5wombats : Where are you ?? :D

Posted by SRT101 on (October 25, 2011, 16:33 GMT)

The demolition is complete. What is most gratifying is that the wins were from one side playing really good cricket and not just the other side playing abject cricket. Also I hope the cricket greed marketers have noticed from empty stands that there needs to be less greed = less IPL mindless cricket and less high ticket prices. Congratulations boys you have done us proud, AGAIN.

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 16:33 GMT)

Poor England :) .. won the series 4-1 in toss,but cant even win a single match..dont search for excuses..You ppl won the toss in all the matches in your home which went in your favour,knowing that rain will interuppt in 2nd you were perfectly outplayed..u cant blame pitch once again..bcos india made 271..u cant blame it as flat track..bcos u ppl cant cross 200 even..u were defeated by batting first thrice,chasing twice...cant blame anything except than yourselves...2 consecutive whitewashes in our home..get lost!!!

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 16:33 GMT)

Well Well Well!!! The game turns Upside down:-) India come back strongly:-) Abject England fold to 5-0 loss:-) Our Diwali Gift:-) Go India Go ! ! !

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 16:32 GMT)

Congratulations!!! India. Once again England showed their weakness e against spin which cost them the match.. In England they won some matches with some luck.. buty here they lost all the game by very good performance by their opponents... Once again Dhoni played a part of finisher. And at the moment he is the best finisher of the format. Well Done Dhoni and Team India. Keep it up.....

Posted by AnyoneButVettel on (October 25, 2011, 16:32 GMT)

Well done Team India and MSD in particular. I think England has the team to bounce back, maybe not straight away in the sub-continent but they're quite a handful anywhere else. Also it's a shame there ain't any test matches scheduled this series; would've been very interesting. However, I'm particularly disappointed that Onions didn't get a game. My personal opinion is Eoin Morgan - if he was fit - would probably have changed the course of at least one of the ODIs by getting them closer if not winning games all by himself.

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 16:31 GMT)

To all the English Fans waiting for what you have to say! I dont have much to write ! Apart from the fact that start playing spin better because it is as much a part of cricket as fast bowling is !

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 16:31 GMT)

wat a performance by england....dey saved their best for d final odi...

Posted by PriestVenkat on (October 25, 2011, 16:31 GMT)

Welcome aboard Mr.Cook and English fans to taste the same dose. But to be frank I expected fight from Mr. Ian Bell. Congrats to Team India for the payback to ECB.

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 16:30 GMT)

east west dhoni best :) well done captain cool.

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 16:30 GMT)

Apparently England is confused between Diwali and Holi. They chose to celebrate this Diwali with white color. What goes around, comes around. Didn't Dravid The Wall mention this here? ( second last parahraph)

Posted by KingOwl on (October 25, 2011, 16:30 GMT)

Heh, heh, heh! What happened to England? Just a couple of months ago, when the media was falling over each other to say how amazing the England team was, I thought it was quite hilarious. Now I know! Please, media folks, remember the simple fact. There are no great cricket teams in the world right now. There are many teams who win when the conditions suit them. But no one is exceptional. And we may have this for years to come, at least based on my estimation of the crop of talent.

Posted by Front-Foot-Lunge on (October 25, 2011, 16:29 GMT)

This series was a difficult test for the England's youngsters, and an inexperienced captain. England will still take being better than India at real cricket, however, which they are of course, and to which no one can deny after the history-writing summer England had against India. England's youngsters will come good, but this tour was too early for them.

Posted by davidallan on (October 25, 2011, 16:29 GMT)

Nothing fix in sports 2 months ago underdogs now unbeatable, England far too behind in ODI

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 16:29 GMT)

Happy Diwali love this indian cricket team...

Posted by Deepakrm on (October 25, 2011, 16:28 GMT)

Gone England Gone... I Think Zimbabwe Players are Far Better than England Players... At-least they have team spirit to won the match against new zealand... England player are always looking to go to their home country...

School Cricket players... is far better than English Cricket Player...

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 16:28 GMT)

keeeeeeeeeeeeepppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp ittttttttttttttttttttt uppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp MY INDIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

Posted by CricketFundas on (October 25, 2011, 16:27 GMT)

Even though i am an Indian fan, i was really hoping to see a bit more fight from England. Overall, this was very clearly a one sided series. England showed glimpses of their talent, but were never consistent enough to get a victory. It's also clear that this English team needs to really work on playing and winning on turning wickets. Right now, they dont seem to be struggling on that front.

England now have a year to prepare for their test series in India, and hopefully they will put up a better show than this. If they show up and play like they did in this series, they will be butchered especially after the likes of Sachin, Sehwag, VVS and Dravid return.

Bottomline, i think the sound thrashing the Indian team got in England was a great wake up call. And now the hiding we gave England will do wonders for our confidence. Thank you England!

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 16:27 GMT)

Bopara Bowled by Raina... Not by Ashwin... Pls Change that..!!!

Posted by spot_on on (October 25, 2011, 16:27 GMT)

Yes.... 5-0 .... \o/ ...... that says a lot.. but cricinfo wants minimum 25 characters...

Posted by satish619chandar on (October 25, 2011, 16:27 GMT)

Good win for India.. Though it cant serve as medicine for the English test series loss, this provided a relief.. But, I d ve loved a more competitive series....

Posted by Deepfreezed on (October 25, 2011, 16:27 GMT)

Contrarily to what was advertised, Swann was ineffective on Indian tracks. Where as Indian spinners took bulk of the wickets. Swann's claim of being the No. 1 spin bowler is debunked now.

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 16:26 GMT)


Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 16:25 GMT)

What a stunning collapse from England. They appeared to be cruising at 129 for 0, but Cook's dismissal really turned the match. Dhoni had added 330 ODI runs since England last dismissed him at The Oval in September, and his personal dominance was a perfect reflection of a series in which the tables of the summer had been emphatically turned.

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 16:23 GMT)

Tit For Tat ,But India done a great job here whitewash to English men 5-0,as a pay back to 4-0(But not a white wash as India has a tie game in England.Great Response from India.)England has some issues to solve in they home now.

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 16:22 GMT)

this is the way the world champion replies

Posted by Deathstalker on (October 25, 2011, 16:21 GMT)

"Ravi Bopara squandered the chance to be a hero when he was bowled round his legs for a 16-ball 4 by Ashwin"

Though Ashwin bowled beautifully too, I think Bopara was bowled by Raina.

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 16:20 GMT)

Its was a perfect revenge taken by Team India, now I guess England's Ex-players took some time to comment on Team India's performance and performance of Individual performance... :)

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 16:20 GMT)

india completed its revenge won the series 5-0

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 16:19 GMT)

eng were calling themselves world champions prior to this tour...... now where geof boycott and micheal vaughn.....calling indian fielders donkeys .... where are english former players now....flintoff, botham, naseer hussain.... well done india.... england can never beat india in india....atleast india won the test seies in 2007.....I don't even know when was the last time eng won series in india they have lost last 10 odis in india against india in bilateral plz eng don't call yourselves world champions....u never were....and u never will be...first beat india in india and then call yourselves world champions ....then we won't mind giving u that tag.......

Posted by gpsir on (October 25, 2011, 16:19 GMT)


Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 16:18 GMT)

England failed to play 50 overs once again. hmph!! this is just not fair to the crowd.

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 16:17 GMT)

wow its great........... perfect white wash

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 16:17 GMT)

Dear England, this is the whitewash we do at our homes in Diwali.

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas_Atheist on (October 25, 2011, 16:17 GMT)

What a clueless bunch from England! Really feel very sorry for their wretched batting techniques. Bell should have been given a longer run without any doubt. It might take them may be another century to play competitive cricket on Indian soil. I'm sorry to say that but they have near zero application on challenging tracks. It's not always make merry, hunky dory, monotonous and one paced dead tracks of England you get to play on.

Posted by   on (October 25, 2011, 16:15 GMT)

was this tough series for india lol :D

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Andrew Miller Andrew Miller was saved from a life of drudgery in the City when his car caught fire on the way to an interview. He took this as a sign and fled to Pakistan where he witnessed England's historic victory in the twilight at Karachi (or thought he did, at any rate - it was too dark to tell). He then joined Wisden Online in 2001, and soon graduated from put-upon photocopier to a writer with a penchant for comment and cricket on the subcontinent. In addition to Pakistan, he has covered England tours in Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand, as well as the World Cup in the Caribbean in 2007
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