India v England, 3rd Test, Kolkata

Call for rank turners 'immoral' - Eden Gardens curator

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December 1, 2012

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MS Dhoni and Amit Mishra examine the pitch at the Eden Gardens, Kolkata, February 12, 2010
Prabir Mukherjee: "Why does Dhoni want a square turner on the first day? Then why are you selling tickets for five days? It's immoral" (file photo) © AFP
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Prabir Mukherjee, the Eden Gardens curator, has strongly criticised MS Dhoni's call for turning pitches, calling it "immoral", and even sought a month's leave from work. However, by Saturday evening, the Cricket Association of Bengal had convinced Mukherjee to come back to work.

The developments came less than a week before India's Kolkata Test against England, and days after the BCCI deployed Ashish Bhowmick, a member of its grounds and pitches committee from Tripura, to "assist" in the preparation for the Test that starts on December 5.

The series between India and England is tied at 1-1 after India lost on a square turner in Mumbai, with their spinners taking nine wickets between them even as Monty Panesar and Graeme Swann shared 19.

"Why does Dhoni want a square turner on the first day? Then why are you selling tickets for five days? It's immoral," Mukherjee told CNN-IBN. Mukherjee said he didn't like the way the whole issue was handled. "I have not resigned but asked for a month's leave," he said. "I am not loving this atmosphere and not happy that the Cricket Association of Bengal did not support me."

Dhoni and Mukherjee have famously struggled to get along as professionals. Last year, after India beat England in an ODI in Kolkata, Dhoni said the pitch was an "ugly wicket". Mukherjee then responded by saying, "Pitches don't score runs, batsmen do." It was also reported that Mukherjee had made disparaging comments about Dhoni's demands for specific pitches. He is reported to have asked for written official instruction if he was to prepare a pitch that began turning and bouncing on day one.

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Posted by vipravara on (December 4, 2012, 14:42 GMT)

Wonder about "the way" the modern day cricketer/s go to the extent of openly demanding the type of pitch one wants. Don't they know contrary to what the practice is today, there were times the wickets were NEVER covered during non-playing times and even the changing weather conditions could have their way to affect the pitch and yet, the players went about their job taking up the challenge. Very high time for SOMEONE to grow up and take the fight on!!! Simple, if one cannot, leave the job for the others and bow out.

Posted by SAperspective on (December 4, 2012, 6:04 GMT)

indian cricket is messed. thius is what you get when you get a team propped up by media, rewarded excessively and treated as film stars. you get a bunch of people who only live on reputations which are home grown. No emphasis on hard work, physical fitness and character. compared them to the jap womans football team and you will see the difference.

Posted by fan_2_fans on (December 4, 2012, 5:09 GMT)

Mukherjee should resign with an immediate effect or should be sacked by BCCI.Dhoni has won two world cups for us,how can he speak against him.It is the job of curator to prepare pitches suited for host country and all the curators in the world do that.Because of curators like Mukherjee,we are not producing quality bowlers,as flat tracks are prepared for Ranji games year after year,and we only see triple hundreds and double hundreds made by batsmen.

Posted by   on (December 4, 2012, 4:15 GMT)

its normal to play in a country with whatever pitches that can be prepared genuinely very much depending on soil conditions of the place. Should something else has to be performed artificially to make it a turning track or bounce track is really an amusing point and very much questionable?????.

let it be any where in the world. its like conspiring something intentional and this is definetly to be halted.

Posted by bhav_cric on (December 3, 2012, 23:32 GMT)

It is ridiculous for Prabir mukherjee to say comments like this. Even though India played worst against the spin, it has always been their strength and we should play to our strengths. Prabir should be sacked as he has humilated/insulted India and commented openly to outside world how divided we all are as a unit. He just gave people another chance to only laugh on India. This is not the first time he has done it. Shocking/Unbelievable.

Posted by   on (December 3, 2012, 12:31 GMT)

If West Indis begin to prepare glass tops or green tops and pick the 4 fastest bowlers in WI for India's next tour I hope Dhoni does not protest

Posted by Narbavi on (December 3, 2012, 12:09 GMT)

@Htc-Android: Actually we will send our under-19 team to play against you, lets see if you can win, oh wait we are the world champions there too!!

Posted by g.narsimha on (December 3, 2012, 11:11 GMT)

KIWIROCKER - JUST refresh u r memory SWAAN on these pages few days back discribed PITCHES AT UAE are rank turners compared to low, slow flat piches in IND.

Posted by Masud_BITK on (December 3, 2012, 10:29 GMT)

@ crh8971, NO you are not correct. CA asks all of state pitches to be both of pace and spin friendly BUT NOT only the pace friendly. You need all turn to generate both Pace and spin bowling department. @MSDhonivsPrabir: It looks to me that they are both running really unprofessionally. Why Dhoni should talk about this matter on Media, rather he should talk to board. Board then instructs Prabir what exactly they want to. We are still NOT professional even British people taught us 200 years!!!

Posted by   on (December 3, 2012, 9:20 GMT)

It is no surprise that the Mumbai's wicket hurt Dhoni and his team.The team has been giving more importance to wickets than to performance. Any team that relies on these external circumstances can not expect to be a top team. A top team knows that it has to adapt to all circumstances.Gary Kirsten is one coach who let's his team's performance do the talking.Even,England has not been fazed by the wicket.England has come here to prove a point and they will do it. Dhoni by his emphasis on friendly wickets has undermined the mental resolve of his team and this series will show it. I hope the Cricket managers will finally wake up to reality and show Dhoni and his weak attitude the exit door.

Posted by t20-2007 on (December 3, 2012, 7:47 GMT)

I do accept ..we hardly have any test quality player in Indian team...starting from the bowlers to the captain..they wont get any place in any othr country's test team...But you have to work with rag tag resources available..thats wat we r doing anyway.But atleast they shd replace 3-4 players who can bat a session or 2 to salvage some pride.

Posted by Arunprasad3011 on (December 3, 2012, 7:25 GMT)

Lets get this clear.. Dhoni asked for rank turners to "take the toss out of the equation".. even if it means an opposition victory.. simple as that.. even after seeing the English spinners out do his own spinner.. he still sticks by that.. and backs his bowlers to come good.. NOW.. where is the question of foul play? I don't see anything unethical about it. All Dhoni is asking for is a pitch that would not unduly favor the team that bats first. If we are lions at home and lambs abroad, it obviously suggests that the same description would suit every team we play with. I really commend Dhoni.. Win or lose, at least he is looking to play the sport fairly. I guess the conservatives will never understand this. @Harmony111 & @Stark62 - Good comment mates.

Posted by capetown-pom on (December 3, 2012, 6:36 GMT)

@no.1_multicultural_team

Errr, not sure what you are on about there mate, England won the 20/20 world cup in the carribean.

And your point is exactly?

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (December 3, 2012, 5:16 GMT)

Every test playing country creates pitches to suit its own bowling style, they always have done and awlays will do, in part due to local atmospheric conditions, unless we get a baking hot summer in the UK the pitches will be green and full of moisture, we cant help it, its our local weather pattern. The sub continent is the same, and local conditions are perfect for producing wickets that spin....Most captains/coaches will speak with the board who will pass this down to the host grounds about the pitch they would like.

Posted by Looch on (December 3, 2012, 5:12 GMT)

@crh8971 A great comment

@bluefunk Obviously you are the only naive one who gets suckered into conspiricy theories. In the 40 years I have been keenly following the game, The captain has nothing and has never had anything to do with pitch preparation, they are given the pitch that the groundsman has prepared. The only place we see this issue of a captain demanding a certain kind of wicket is in India. Anyway a captain asking for a wicket that will help him is bereft of ideas and confidence.

Posted by phermon on (December 3, 2012, 2:59 GMT)

Whatever the history, I don't think anyone has a right to request anything more than a good cricket wicket. Dhoni should let the bat do the talking - if he can! I agree with those who reckon doctoring the pitch at the request of one team is immoral. The couple who reckon its not immoral use a history of abuse to justify immorality - not very clever.

Posted by Htc-Android on (December 3, 2012, 2:29 GMT)

@Vikram Sharma well said mate. i appreciate ur honesty. india should prepare pitches that assist both spin and pace.

Posted by aavalentine on (December 3, 2012, 0:29 GMT)

Why is this a problem? Australia has prepared two flat pitches (Gabba + Adelaide) for the SA series to nullify their attack too, and no-one has said anything.

Posted by L4zybugg3r on (December 3, 2012, 0:26 GMT)

@maddy20 - unless this policy has changed recently I'm pretty sure you will find that Tests in Australia only have the first 4 days tickets sold. With the 5th day being optional. Pretty good policy imo because a 3 day isn't very common and day 5 doesn't usually attract a lot of attention unless the game is really close.

Posted by Cpt.Meanster on (December 2, 2012, 22:42 GMT)

Despite all the criticisms and the never ending expectations of Indian supporters, I think India WILL win in Kolkata. I expect England to play as good as they did in Mumbai but if history is to go by anything, England will lose. So I predict a win for India and the scoreline 2-1 with a game to go. Somebody needs to shut Dhoni up in the mean time. Jeez, where has all those innocent times gone when players used to simply play the game and leave the rest of the logistics and ground management to others.

Posted by moBlue on (December 2, 2012, 20:57 GMT)

this curator is "playing" the game way over his pay grade, metaphorically speaking! it would appear to me his job would entail giving his employer, the bcci, the kind of pitch they ask for. is it a coincidence that the centurion (and durban) track(s) in SA and perth and trentbridge are all quick and bouncy everytime the IND visit and that adelaide, the one that *could* turn, is flat and dead for the most part? yet, IND can't ask the curator to give them some home-field advantage?!? "morality"? what is this dude talking about? if he is talking about fairness, well, ain't nothing unfair about dhoni's request, in fact, quite the opposite!

besides, truth be told, i actually miss watching batters (from any country) hop on decent spin tracks!!! just because the oz fans and the ENG fans can't stand the idea of their batters [like their "second best ever", the dude who is retiring imminently] looking like chumps doesn't mean the rest of the world has to oblige and play only on fast tracks!

Posted by   on (December 2, 2012, 19:02 GMT)

Salutes to Mr.Mukherjee... we do need guys like him, else 8-0 will soon become 11-0 by 2013..

Posted by Reverse_Bat on (December 2, 2012, 18:50 GMT)

There is no reason to be angry by the curator. he does not dictate, he is just an employee and do what the Captain or the situation the Indian team are. Curator have no authority to dictate in his term what so ever.

Posted by   on (December 2, 2012, 15:21 GMT)

One point here. No current England player or England member of staff has said a word about he pitches being "unfair" or "not cricket" or anything of the sort either before or during this series.You play in the pitches that are put in front of you. If India have been hung by their own petard - outspun and outbatted on a dustbowl? Well there's not much any other player from any other nation can do or say about that - it proves nothing other than to be a proper challenger is world cricket you need to be able to adjust as a team to different conditions. That seems right and proper to me and all part of the charm and depth of cricket.

Posted by   on (December 2, 2012, 14:02 GMT)

Rajeewranjan Rajan, withdraw your comment about Bangladesh & you should watch statistics and results of Bangladesh more carefully.

Posted by afs_talyarkhan on (December 2, 2012, 13:28 GMT)

There was a time when a touring team would come to a country, play a few practice matches against the top domestic sides and be prepared for the battles ahead in the test series. No one complained about the nature of the pitches because the tourists had got used to the nature of domestic pitches from the practice games. England, to their credit, insisted on playing 3 warmup matches, a luxury the BCCI never grants India when it is touring. As a result the England players know what to expect and showed at Mumbai that they can give as good as they get on turning pitches. Heaven only knows what the BCCI wants prepared in Kolkata but whatever it is Dhoni should keep out of it - he would be better employed persuading his overlords to grant India more practice matches when they play abroad than moaning about the quality of pitches at home. Perhaps it is because his instructions for preparing pitches are followed too closely that Dhoni doesn't have a clue when batting abroad. Well done Mr M...

Posted by voma on (December 2, 2012, 12:28 GMT)

@ no.1 multicultural_team . Why dont you concentrate on your own team mate . If you knew anything about England , you would know we have allready played in a world cup final . Losing to the best team in the world , West Indies . Who India will never equal there achievements !.

Posted by   on (December 2, 2012, 12:04 GMT)

Whats the matter with this curator?Is it a crime to ask a spinning Track?Spin is an Art,if we start preparing Fast Tracks in Sub continent,Spin will soon Diminish.You need Talent to play spin as well as Pace.

Posted by heathrf1974 on (December 2, 2012, 11:47 GMT)

The fact is, most curators prepare grounds suitable to the weather conditions and in keeping with the history of the wicket. They want matches to last five days. Indian fans thinking that other nation's captains instruct curators to prepare certain wickets over-estimates the corruption in those nations and under-estimates the corruption in theirs. If the curator produces a rank turner he will make the match more competitive, not less so.

Posted by othello22 on (December 2, 2012, 11:40 GMT)

@bluefunk - You do realise both teams bat and bowl on the same pitch?Considering Australia's bowlers have completely outclassed and upstaged SA's much vaunted attack on these "roads" you speak of, the I'm curious to know if you would agree that makes the Oz attack better than SA because they at least managed to make something of it when Steyn, Morkel and the Philanderer could do no such thing? Or is the so-called greatest bowling attack in the world only useful on greentops? You remind me of the Indians complaining about "green seamers" last summer, you remember them? The ones Clarke and Ponting were making doubles on in their sleep? I find your take on this to be highly amusing.

Posted by Nutcutlet on (December 2, 2012, 11:38 GMT)

There are a large number of posters here (all from the one-eyed Indian sector of the cricket following fraternity) who labour under a major misapprehension: that teams in other countries - esp. in England - order wickets to suit their bowling attacks. Decidedly, this not so. The groundsman (curator) is charged with producing a good Test wicket, weather conditions permitting. This is a wicket that is designed to assist bowlers of all types, but also to last 4+ days, so batsmen are expected to score well for the majority of the match. It should have some life early on, & yet take some turn in the latter stages. A Test that is completed with in 3 days is shooting yourself in the foot (no revenue available for days 4 & 5). This, to some minds who see conspiracy round every corner, may be difficult to accept, but pls try to see the argument! MSD meanwhile, clearly doesn't want a wkt that goes much beyond day 3. The BCCI therefore doesn't want the revenue of days 4 & 5. Where's the sense?

Posted by   on (December 2, 2012, 11:37 GMT)

I agree with the curator. Captain Cool is beginning to get on the nerves of just about everyone.

Posted by rickyvoncanterbury on (December 2, 2012, 11:30 GMT)

i am so confused, Indians love sixers and big hits in IPL but want rank turners in tests where no one can score freely be they Indian or English, then say test cricket is boring ????

Posted by electric_loco_WAP4 on (December 2, 2012, 11:27 GMT)

@bluefunk- Considering that the Aus batsmen- including rookie batsmen like Warner and Cowan who young in age/experience or both had no problems mastering the SA bowling scoring quality tons when they got themselves set- had the better of their opponents bowling with a few big scores to their name one can be considered naive to say Aus were *cough*intimidated*cough* ...!! It would most likely be the other way round ...Just a shame the batting underwhelmed-albeit good bowling- in the most crucial 1st innings of deciding Perth test. The fact that they put up decent scores in 1st 2 tests underlines that they were way below potential in the most decisive moment. Even SA with more no. of settled thoroughbred batsmen were bowled ou for sub par scores bu Aus bowlers. Only a special gritty inngs from a debutant held them going down 0-1 in the series... No way outclassed or 'intimidated' are the very inexp Aus team vs the(arguably) no.1 side....

Posted by Aussie_Cricket on (December 2, 2012, 10:57 GMT)

@bluefunk that's a pretty small minded view considering for either team to win they have to take 20 wickets. Considering the similar makeups of each team and their lack of dependency on spin (and if you say that Tahir is a key factor in SA's ploy to win a match I'll laugh myself blue) it's incredibly difficult for either country to make a pitch to prejudice the home team. With relation to the Dhoni situation it's kind've perplexing that considering how comprehensively they were beaten by the English spin attack why he'd want to chance a square turner against Monty and especially Swann who's known to get decent turn under non-spin friendly conditions. Kudos to Mukherjee for considering the interests of the people who go to watch the game.

Posted by Moppa on (December 2, 2012, 10:53 GMT)

@snkhan, home ground advantage is that pitches in your home country are going to be more familiar than those in foreign countries. This is true without them being doctored to extremely favour a perceived home team strength in spin, pace or batting. @Vikram Sharma - excellent comment, it is nice to see someone looking at reality rather than living in a bizarre world of conspiracy and imagination... like, for example, @bluefunk. India didn't play at Brisbane so we can't really compare, but the Adelaide and Perth pitches were basically the same this year and last. How could Adelaide in Jan 2012 have been a doctored greentop when Australia made 7/604 on days 1 and 2? And you're calling the very sensible @crh8971 "naive"? I find these sorts of comments baffling, and am not really sure why I'm bothering trying to reason with their authors, as reason doesn't seem to be their strong suit...

Posted by dylland on (December 2, 2012, 10:41 GMT)

Dhoni is complaining, what a surprise. Its amazing the influence that he has over everyone in Indian cricket.

Posted by Narbavi on (December 2, 2012, 10:41 GMT)

Those who support the curator first need to know who this guy is, he is the same guy who prepared a bouncy wicket in 2005 against SA to protest ganguly's omission from the team, this shows the mindset of this man, he takes revenge for personal gain, this time he has taken revenge against Dhoni because Dhoni criticized the pitch last year in the odi game against england!!

Posted by   on (December 2, 2012, 10:07 GMT)

Why bangladesh never won series in even home? Apart from role of pitches their are more serious points to be discussed ie. India's poor bating and bowling in 2012. A question i want to ask. Why dhoni was dissapointed with the pitch of Ahmedabad where we won and happy with pitch where we loose by 10 wickets??

Posted by Happy_AusBang on (December 2, 2012, 9:47 GMT)

Why do players have to get involved in the matter of pitch preparaion? This is a recipe for huge problems. Players should focus on their games only and have nothing to do with preparation of pitches. The curators should be independent of all vested interests and prepare pitches according to internationally accepted guidelines that are endorsed by the ICC. The ICC should immediately step in. I applaud the Bengali curator for his principled stand on this matter. BCCI management should admonish Dhoni strongly and point out what his responsibilities are and what he needs to do to lift up his team.

Posted by bluefunk on (December 2, 2012, 9:44 GMT)

@crh8971: mate you're either being wilfully blind, or else are simply naive. do you think it was a coincidence that brisbane and adelaide were such roads this year? or did it instead have something to do with the aussie's being *cough*intimidated*cough* by the saffa fast bowling attack?

Posted by skilebow on (December 2, 2012, 9:43 GMT)

Playing on these type of pitches is all part of the fun! It adds to the drama and the entertainment and i'm an englishman. ! And if somehow we do triumph it makes the statisfaction even better. and @eshwarmv i think you'll find that was swann's test debut actually

Posted by   on (December 2, 2012, 9:30 GMT)

I have seen seen lot of flat tracks in aus, eng, sa. one must remember that there are flat tracks overseas .In the forth test in aus at adelaide last year versus india clarke could have asked the cu.rator to prepare a green track and polish off india in 3 days but a flat track was produced. As far as perth is concerned it has always been a bouncy pitch since time immemorial. In 2003-04 India v aus . Aus played 4 tests on flat batting pitches and the indians scored heavily( Mcgrath and warne were nt there).steve waugh couldve asked for green tracks and hammer India 4-0, but he didnt ask the curator.as far as england is concerned remember the fouth test at the oval v india swann picked up 8 or 9 wickts in the match. that was a turning track. None of the pitches in england last year were green apart from trent bridge. Ball always swings in england due to overhead conditions nothing to do with pitch. quite often when its sunny in england ball doesnt move an inch.

Posted by no.1_multicultural_team on (December 2, 2012, 9:14 GMT)

Since when curators decide how a nation's cricket team play?They are employees,working for nation,not working for their own back garden.Those criticising Indian captain forget that he is the one who has won us world cup amongst many other victories.When Eng produces even half a player and captain of his calibre,Eng will reach at least semi final of a world cup in about 30 years.

Posted by crh8971 on (December 2, 2012, 8:53 GMT)

@Stark62 - the reason you don't hear Australian, South African or English curators complaining is that they are not given instructions to prepare pitches that favour the home team. The idea that they do is simply an excuse offered by substandard Indian players and their fans to escape the reality that they have been drubbed 4 nil. You never heard the best Indian batsmen like Dravid and Laxman complain when they were in their prime. They just worked hard at making the adjustments required to their techniques and made good runs. Pitches in the countries you have mentioned are, on the most part, fair to both bat and ball, provide a good contest and a produced with the aim of producing a result on day 5.

Posted by   on (December 2, 2012, 8:15 GMT)

Instead of wasting time on the pitches, Dhoni should concentrate on his batting. Rather, leave him out of the team...he's wasting space and not contributing at all. There are better wicket-keepers waiting in line who can keep as well as bat better than him. Time to change the Captain and not the Pitch!!

Posted by eshwarmv on (December 2, 2012, 8:05 GMT)

On all those occasions our batsmen showed positive intent and a little arrogance. This is the first time in my memory all the 7 batsmen played from the crease against the spinners. No one, except Ashwin used their feet. Look at SA today. The match situation is almost similar. SA in the 3rd innings, rightly so, attacking the aussie bowlers and have reached a match winning position. There was something clearly wrong inside our dressing room as all the batsmen seemed to be afraid of the spinners.

Posted by   on (December 2, 2012, 8:03 GMT)

What is so immoral in preparing a pitch to the home team's advantage? In fact the pitch assisting the home team is the traditional practice followed in cricket. And this curator has no right to even speak about morality -> In 2005 when Sourav was omitted for a ODI match, he prepared a pitch that was ideal for South African bowling.

Posted by eshwarmv on (December 2, 2012, 8:00 GMT)

India was always the favorites to win the second test match. I would request the cricket fan to go back and think of the laxman's epic knock at kolkata, sachin's one man show in sharjah against te aussies, and recently India chased down target of 300 plus in fourth innings against England on a turning pitch in chennai. Swann, who was well estalished at that time was part of the attack.

Posted by   on (December 2, 2012, 7:15 GMT)

I have just I question for ICC.Why not ask the curators in England to make pitches that donot seam or swing from day3?

Posted by PhaniBhaskar24 on (December 2, 2012, 7:10 GMT)

Smith( SA) - one hundred, 84 in perth which is good one indeed.. Cook ( Eng) - a face saving hundred in first test, match winning hundred in second...what way to speak with bat..i think Dhoni is playing mind games here ( by saying rank turners) & it backfired. Still so adamant ( suddenly if he says he doesn't want rank turners, he is accepting that his boys can't play spinning ball) on rank turners is still a mind game. Pranab da just over reacted. With all this fuss, i doubt if England might go 2-1 now...time to speak with bat Dhoni & accept the fact there are loose shots being played. Get the basics right-- Cricinfo publish this

Posted by AtherCA on (December 2, 2012, 7:05 GMT)

I think we should support Dhoni. the curator should be sacked immediately, never heard anything from curators in Australia, SA or England when they were asked for green tops. Mukerjee must be looking for cheap popularity. We must play on piches which suites us. Mumbai test match we lost, but every day is not sunday. It happens on a while. ... All the Best Dhoni, Go India Go, Chak De India. Beat them 3-1 in faour of India. .....

Posted by AvidFanDownUnder on (December 2, 2012, 6:32 GMT)

Its funny Dhoni asked for and got a spinning track in Mumbai and still lost the game (with three spinners compared to England's two). I think less time should be spent on the state of the ground and more time should be spent on performance and getting the players to actually play. India by its nature produces spinning tracks (just like Australia and South Africa produce hard bouncy pitches because of weather conditions, etc) however these countries also develop their players through multiple processes. The BCCI is no longer a poor board so it should use its financial assets to develop more all round players - a good team plays well in all conditions. While home ground advantage is there for the home ground - abusing it while providing short term gains will only produce long term pain (and in Mumbai there was no short term gain either). India won a world cup in 2011 by sheer hard work and application - if they do the same now the results will follow again.

Posted by Kishore2012 on (December 2, 2012, 6:24 GMT)

Previously teams are selected based on the condition of the pitch. Now pitches are prepared based on the teams available

Posted by   on (December 2, 2012, 5:07 GMT)

The call from the Indian skipper is totally disastrous. Lately it seems he doesn't even know about what plan is he making and was it the right plan. Ya he can tell the curators of what kind of pith he wants, I totally second him to this point but looking at the team performance and his performance(including his decisions on the field and off the field has been totally unworthy). I suggest him to take more responsibility as a captain and score some runs and make the opponent bowlers feel his hard hitting batting wrath.

Posted by   on (December 2, 2012, 4:40 GMT)

Dhoni is taking this a bit too far. He lost out on a rank turner. Make the team better. It showed both swing nd spin, the Indian batsmen can't handle. They should I improve a lot. Dhoti is not batting at all. Losing respect.

Posted by topeleven on (December 2, 2012, 4:35 GMT)

Suddenly we Indians have admitted ourselves that what the Indian batsmen have scored all these days is because of the flat tracks given to us. Time and again I c comments that England Australia and South africa are having bouncy wickets. Its naturally that way but it do assist spinners. If not for that Warne and Murali would not be in the top of the wicket takers list. 22 yards is for both the team. To have players to exploit the condition lies our strength. Dhoni could have asked for turning pitches through the BCCI rather than making it public

Posted by   on (December 2, 2012, 3:55 GMT)

Cricket needs the scientists of the world to just build them a synthetic pitch that will bounce the way they want that they can just install in these stadiums. Anything else will cause complaints.

Posted by Htc-Android on (December 2, 2012, 3:39 GMT)

why do dhoni needs rank turners again? Dint they had enough at mumbai? They want England to play their U19 team?

Posted by   on (December 2, 2012, 3:24 GMT)

Turning pitches in India make for exciting test cricket. Flat pitches make for batting records, but, for very boring cricket matches.

India curators have been preparing horrible pitches for years. These lifeless pitches have pretty much killed spin bowling in India and has given rise to batsmen who don't skills to play on tricky, challenging, spinning wickets. In my opinion, such curators should retire and should be replaced by curators who can consistently produce wickets with life for bowlers and chalenge for batsmen.

Flat pitches are likely to kill test cricket in India. Mumbai pitch was awesome and it gave skilled bowlers good chance and skilled batsmen good challenge. It made for exciting test cricket.

Posted by   on (December 2, 2012, 3:23 GMT)

As a neutral,i would suggest that it is ICC's responsibility to implement a strict code of what is acceptable in test cricket pitch preparation and that all the nations abide by it. I know the curator has spoken out in the spirit of the game and he is probably right but then the entire blame should not be thrown on the MS Dhoni. Even if your wish is request, have your spinners worked hard? Monty and Swann have really utilised the help of Mushtaq Ahmed and have lifted their game. I remember a cricket match where we lost badly in one game and our captain in the next match said keeping all the external factors aside, do what you are best doing instead and it worked, the players cushioned external factor to their dismal performance and avoided it. I think Dhoni needs to work on some captaincy coaching, and ask some of the former greats on how to pull up from such pressure. I reckon the former prince of Calcutta S Ganguly should help him out being the local there.

Posted by mksdri1972 on (December 2, 2012, 3:15 GMT)

Now that cricket is being played by many countries all over the world and all the time throughout the year, it is high time that ICC should formulate an international standard for the type / size / accessories for the ground like covering the ground during the rains / day and/or night match / seasons in various countries suitable to play matches / minimum ground facilities etc and make it mandatory to be followed by all the members of ICC and for the countries who wish to become members of ICC. I really wonder why it has not been made when we have international standards for all sundries while this is yet to be thought of. In such an event, dubious ways of making pitches to suit the countries where matches are played at international level will become immaterial and we can see some good matches without doubting the insider's foul ways.

Posted by madrasman on (December 2, 2012, 3:11 GMT)

There are two problems with Dhoni's insistence on rank turners. One is that it comes across as unseemly. Second, it will get India beat, like in Bombay.

Posted by   on (December 2, 2012, 3:09 GMT)

Again an example of bengal not toeing the official line and getting out of sync with national line on a particular issue. On this occasion feel that MSD is getting too het up, why does he not depend on his bowlers? Prabir Mukherjee is also rather dogmatic, why does he not realise that winning is also important?

Posted by KiwiRocker- on (December 2, 2012, 2:58 GMT)

I take my hat off to this bold curator. It takes alot of courage to stand up and say what is wrong. I have personally done it and you put on stake everything that you go. Stark62: Your comments are rubbish. No one is denying that India should not prepare pitches that benefit them. Australia does, SA does and SL does. Nothing wrong with that, however, there is a difference between preparing a pitch that assists spin bowlers and rank turner that will be unsuitable and unsporting wicket. SL had recently done that and they were warned by ICC. Same should apply to BCCI. Problem is that Dhoni is running around for a cover as he has been found out. He asked for a rank turner in Mumbai and he got one, however, he and other Indians understimated a certain Sikh bowler who actually was playing for England. Dhoni should concentrate on his batting and leadership instead of issuing directives baout pitches. Look at Pakistan, they had fairly sportive wickets in UAE and still won as they had quality!

Posted by SLMaster on (December 2, 2012, 2:56 GMT)

Don't get Dhoni's complain. He got a turning pitch favorable to them. But bowlers and bastmen failed to deliver.

Posted by   on (December 2, 2012, 2:24 GMT)

I have to laugh at the comments saying that Australia doctored pitches this summer to negate the Saffers bowling attack. We had to win the series to take the number 1 ranking, so why would CA want draws in Brisbane and Adelaide? (take note - CA has no role in determining what type of pitch is delivered for each venue; the State associations have responsibility for the grounds and ultimately each pitch).

Posted by TRAM on (December 2, 2012, 2:13 GMT)

Only one question: Why Dhoni blamed Indian spinners instead of Indian batsmen? In other words, why this focus on Indian spin bowling instead of batting? Is it because they are stars ??

Posted by jmcilhinney on (December 2, 2012, 2:13 GMT)

@Stark62 on (December 01 2012, 13:29 PM GMT), I can't speak for SA but the reason that you don't hear English or Australian curators complaining is that they are not asked to prepare pitches to any particular specification. English pitches in general play a particular way in comparison to Indian pitches because of the different climate and soil. The same goes for Australian pitches. Within each country though, there is variation. When England were beaten by Australia in Perth during the last Ashes, you didn't hear Australia demanding bouncy pitches in Sydney and Melbourne. The simple fact is that English conditions are what they and so are Australian and the respective teams play on what they are given. What they are given generally suits them because that's what they're used to but it's not tailor-made for them to beat a specific opposition.

Posted by SNBala_IndianCricket on (December 2, 2012, 2:09 GMT)

I take the same stand as that of Stark62.

You only get to play on wickets that are fast and bouncy in most countries abroad. The curators there are aligned with the Captain.

Like Mukherjee says, its batsman that scores runs not wickets!! So if the players from abroad are good players of spin(as recently proved by a couple of English players), lets prepare rank turners!! Nothing wrong with Dhoni's request.

Posted by cosair on (December 2, 2012, 1:56 GMT)

Why turning pitches, do the Indians want to lose again. India's bowling has always been a weakness. Now batting is also a problem. Result - India will lose. Dhoni prove me wrong

Posted by   on (December 2, 2012, 1:56 GMT)

Each and every pitch in India has its unique characteristics... In recent past, except Australia, no country has dominated India in India. They why dhoni wants the nature of pitch to be changed now????? First Dhoni should perform before speaking. his performance in test and T20 are pathetic. Ashwin is scoring more runs than Dhoni in test and Irfan has better strike rate than Dhoni in T20.

Posted by Mumbai68 on (December 2, 2012, 1:26 GMT)

It is a meaningless discussion. The fact is Indian team was no 1 in test for may be just few weeks and now progressing to rock bottom. Even if we get turning wicket, Swann & Panesar spin the ball but Ashwin, Harbhajan & Ozha can't. The fact is current team & captain don't know how to win test matches & just looking for excuses. It is disappointing to see where team is today, considering Saurav's captaincy brought belief & confidence that on tracks suporting seamers at home & overseas we can win the matches. We are just out of ideas, we dont change team even if we perform misearably, as we don't have strong bench strength

Posted by   on (December 2, 2012, 1:11 GMT)

The pitch should be a surprise. Let the players find out on the first day. For Dhoni to dictate what he wants and get it does not bode well for the spirit of the game. Czar Dhoni is getting too powerful for, the game. Time to cut him down to size.

Posted by ratspeed on (December 2, 2012, 1:05 GMT)

@dmqi and others are right. Dhoni's concern is misdirected, and in the case of the last match it was a strategy that backfired. A similar thing is happening in the Aus/SA series where Aus have tried to weasel out of taking SA head on by tinkering with the pitch, in this case flat tracks in the first two matches that led to draws. Dhoni is only setting himself and the team up for another run-in with the right and left handed combination of Swann/Panesar. Making turning tracks only works when the other side has a weak spin bowling presence.

Posted by Patrick_ on (December 2, 2012, 0:50 GMT)

Nothing wrong in asking to create a pitch with turn and bounce on day 1. Dhoni's intention is good when he says this rules out the advantage of the toss and batting first. However the Mumbai match backfired due to exceptional fighting by England. Does India really need that ? Will India's batting barring Pujara improve ? And does India have the firepower to dismiss Cook and KP ?

Posted by mux164 on (December 2, 2012, 0:30 GMT)

this doesn't surprise me at all, its been happening on the subcontinent for ages. but then again i have never heard of any indian captain wanting a pitch for the quicks

Posted by ChevChelios on (December 2, 2012, 0:29 GMT)

Nothing wrong if the curator is expressing his point of view on the situation, considering the fact that everyone should have a freedom of speech. Prabir Mukherjee is 83 yrs old, and I am pretty sure has seen many captains like Dhoni play at Eden Gardens before. The problem factor is with Dhoni. Instead of focusing on his own batting prowess and overall team performance, he wants the pitches to be prepared to his liking. India has never been able to produce a quality fast bowler, the most obvious reason, flat tracks, that literally left a paceman drained at the end of the fifth day. And now as soon as MSD saw English spinners toying around with the his legendary line-up on their home turf, he is crying sour grapes. Get over yourself MSD, be a professional, let the others do their respective jobs and concentrate on performance not miracles.

Posted by   on (December 2, 2012, 0:15 GMT)

No matter what the pitch is like, batsmen need to score runs and bowlers need to take wickets, and the game should go into the 5th day with a result on the last stretch. Look at Adelaide, a victory was in Australia's sights but the RSA batsmen hung on or a thrilling draw, that to me is test cricket, not 3 day finishes.

Posted by kumarsSansai on (December 2, 2012, 0:02 GMT)

Mr Prabir Mukherjee your job is to develop pitches not argument with players. Don's show you better than dhoni or team. I am not saying you are wrong or write but understand your job. if you really think pitch cannot score run and Player score run then Please score 10 run. Face world Best bowler. It is very easy to say any thing.

I know Indian team not doing well. But don't involve in Controversy. Even support to your team to your player for better performance.

Posted by onphel1 on (December 1, 2012, 23:48 GMT)

I support any home team in preparing the pitches that would suit them. Try telling Aus and RSA to make a sub continent like pitches. We don't need to speculate what their responses would be. Good on you Dhoni. Slow, low, bouncy, ugly pitches in India and likewise that would suit SL, PAK, BAN, WI, RSA, AUS and ENG at their backyard.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 23:02 GMT)

Dhoni is pushing Indian cricket behind by 15 years....he shoukd be dropped on poor performance anyway.

Posted by Nerk on (December 1, 2012, 22:53 GMT)

Dhoni is wrong to call for a doctored pitch. Australia and England don't call for their groundsmen to make bouncy or grassy wickets. They are made like that because that is the conditions in Australia and England, and that is how groundsmen are taught. For example, when India met Australia last year, the pitches were greener not because of some anti-Indian conspiracy, but because most of Australia was having a very wet summer. It is very hard to make a flat wicket when it is raining four days of the week. This does not mean that Indian pitches shouldn't be made to turn, but pitches should be made with respect to conditions and the groundsman's personal style, not because the captain of the national side calls for it.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 22:45 GMT)

What is wrong in demanding square turners, when surfaces provided in England and Australia are with a green top. That is why we call them as home conditions, we have the freedom to make pitches to suit us.

We haven't seen any English or Aussie curators talk like this, because they just stick to their job. There is no mistake in demanding rank turners, but the mistake and shame lies in losing in such "home" conditions, but that is a totally different issue.

What makes a curator talk to media about this. It is all for the person's own publicity to show that he or she in concerned.

Posted by snkhan on (December 1, 2012, 22:41 GMT)

Can anyone explain Mr. Mukherjee what does home ground advantage mean? Moreover, I dont think it is his authority to deal and prepare pitches upon his likes & dislikes. If he is a true patriot and a keen observer of the game then he should himself prepare a pitch keeping in view TI's strengths & weakness, and if he is not able to do so he should atleast do what is requested... Does any other cricketing nation goes against their team's strength... definitely not.. What is Important? the game being played for all 5 days with no result or the game being finished in favour of TI. Infact it is difficult to understand what is Mr. Mukherjee's problem. Did anybody ever heard Mr. Prabir Mukherjee's name in the news before, even if the answer is yes, then atleast we dont remember now.. But after this episode, I guess many people would remember this name.. so what shall we understand with this? Publicity Stunt!!! Sorry Mr. Mukherjee, you can get famous even while you reverse your actions...

Posted by y.deva on (December 1, 2012, 22:10 GMT)

Guys,

Just we lost the 2nd test match it doesn't mean that we will loose again. Like Dhoni said it is Monty made the difference and you need to accept some of these performances like we gladly accepted Sreesanth's performance in SA. If England win another test match say Eden Garden then I will say Indian spinners are not doing well. Curator shoudn't be speaking to media rather to BCCI if he feels it is non ethical. We get tailor made pitches everywhere for example ball seemed around from day 1 onwards in Aus, NZ, SA & Eng when India toured them. You need to be a player to understand these and matches finished earlier within 3 or 4 days in those conditions. Curators dont play matches and it is acceptable to have home advantage. A no 1 team should win in all conditions like they said when Ind toured those seamer friendly conditions. So please dont make these big and Mr mugarghee do your job or go on holidays, do make Dhoni look silly. I also feel it's time for another captain like Kohli

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 21:58 GMT)

Does MSD have so little faith in his team to think they can't win on an even playing surface? If my captain thought that of me then I would not feel very inspired at all. Congratulations to Mr Mukherjee for standing up for the principles of cricket. Cricket is a gentleman's game. Its sad in this case we have only the curator acting as a gentleman.

Posted by Mervo on (December 1, 2012, 21:52 GMT)

Stark62. Your comments reflect exactly what is wrong thinking about Indian cricket. Australian wickets even in Perth had 6 wickets to spinners in the first innings. That is balance not rigging wickets.

Posted by Mervo on (December 1, 2012, 21:08 GMT)

This is why Dhonj should be sacked and why the BCCI should keep out if the wicket preparation and why India are failing as a leading cricket nation. So the right thing and make normal balanced wickets and the players will develop. This is Test cricket, not Spin the Top cricket.

Posted by yorkshirematt on (December 1, 2012, 21:07 GMT)

What's wrong eith preparing a pitch with something in it for batsmen, and bowlers of all kinds, which lasts until the fifth day but produces a result or a hard fought exciting draw. The perfect Test pitch, if you like.

Posted by princeofnyc on (December 1, 2012, 21:02 GMT)

All hail to Prabir Mukherjee! There are very few people, if any, like him left in Indian cricket. All of them have become subservient to the money-making schemes of BCCI. The pitch should not be a dead pitch, where no result is possible, but a pitch that will have something for everyone. What was clear from Mumbai, a square-turning pitch by itself will not make this Indian team win! Why doesn't Dhoni search for what is missing from his team. His bowlers could learn from Swann and Panesar and his batsmen could get a lesson from KP and Cook. The days of India preparing a pitch that truns from day one and packing the side with 3-4 spinners and winning are over. This crop of spinners do not have the same match practice or temperament - becuase nowadays they know how to bowl only 4 overs at a stretch!

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 20:53 GMT)

A captain should be ready to play under any circumstances and pitch conditions. He should accept any challenge and work his way with the team. These are the signs of a great captaincy coming to an end. His attitude towards the game has changed. I won't be surprised to see a new Indian captain being named in 2013.

Posted by Harmony111 on (December 1, 2012, 20:50 GMT)

@Maddy: You echoed my emotions. There is no unity amongst us. In the name of ethics, morals, free and bold thinking a lot of our fellow Ind fans AND some persons in key positions don't look at the big picture and needlessly start criticizing our leaders. Dhoni's value in the test team is debatable but he still is the captain. He is the one answerable for the losses and not this curator. It is yet another case of red-tapism: A babu in a key position knows without his assistance work wont get done so he says what he feels like. Just watch the Oz-SA match and see how even the Oz Comms are nearly in unison with the players for the match situation ball by ball as if they themselves are playing it. While here, the couch potatoes and arm chair critics want Sachin to retire and drop Dhoni, Yuvi, Bhajji, Gambhir, Zak, Ashwin. They have no idea how a system works and how it is designed. I wish we were more laser like in our thoughts, Imagine a billion minds thinking alike !!!

Posted by abhay8157 on (December 1, 2012, 20:47 GMT)

Someone needs to tell this curator.. whos boss.. Dude.. the captain of the country says something to you.. You do it..

He wants tailor made pitches.. you give it to him. End of story.. i dont know why this guy is given so much importance.. You cant respect the captain dont be involved with a sport.

Posted by dr.thirsty on (December 1, 2012, 20:44 GMT)

I have to question Dhonis mindset. As skipper he has to inspire his side, instil self-belief in them and exude confidence, even when he doesn't feel it. Instead he effectively tells them 'I don't believe in you or trust you'. Rather than reflecting on how to improve his sides performances, he externalises everything - criticise the pitch (Eng Oz & now India), criticise the umpires (every match), criticise the curators and even criticise the pitches in advance. This rubs off on his players, so no wonder there is a siege mentality at work, leading to childish comments like 'wait til we get you on our turf' - playground stuff. Mentally, he is losing the plot and taking his side with him. The Indian team would do far better to focus less on the 22 yards they are given, and much more on the 6 inches between their ears!

Posted by Ramster60068 on (December 1, 2012, 20:22 GMT)

I believe that Dhoni is not the first Indian captain to have an issue with pitch curator......Ganguly had a similar problem with the pitch in Nagpur and decided to sit out.......India was drubbed by Aussies in that game. I do believe that pitches in India should work to the strengths of the Indian players (home field advantage), but it should be done behind the scenes and not openly as Dhoni has been demanding!!!

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 20:14 GMT)

there should only be sporting wickets. dhoni should realise that his decison at mumbai has backfired. another loss may costhis captaincy and his place in the team. hence he should go for sporting wickets. moreover with sa tour to come shortly dhoni's tactics will only doom team india.

Posted by Nutcutlet on (December 1, 2012, 20:11 GMT)

Things are done differently in India, that much is certain! Following this tour has been an eye-opener: we had the phony war (keep Eng away from being tested with quality spin in the warm-ups); we had the (largely unresolved) trouble about broadcasting & now we have the home captain managing to upset the curator at Kolkata - so much so that Mr Mukerjee wanted to go on holiday on the eve of the most important match that has been staged on 'his' ground for some time! In the middle of all this there is an England side moving round the country focussed on their primary purpose, the winning of a Test series in a country regarded as THE test of any side's true worth, away from their home-comfort zones. India used to be a proud nation, rightly so, regarding their country as Fortress India! Now, it seems to this outsider, there is a collecive loss of faith - in the team, in the pitches, & esp in the desire for TC, & a lack of faith betokens a lack of commitment. Where does the buck stop?

Posted by brittop on (December 1, 2012, 20:02 GMT)

@maddy20: Why are you bringing this curator in to your thoughts on the Perth pitch? Did he say anything about it? Has anyone suggested Michael Clarke made a statement as to how he wanted the Perth pitch? Having said all that, I don't believe MS Dhoni's remarks on how he would like the pitches to be are even a problem let alone immoral (also I wouldn't have a problem if he curator ignored him). For all the talk of how much the pitch in Mumbai turned it actually produced a good test match. Pujara, Cook & KP and others to a lesser extent proved you could bat on it.

Posted by akelumw on (December 1, 2012, 19:48 GMT)

It's MSD who got it messed up. No doubt the home captain has right to ask for the type of pitch he want to keep the home advantage. Before the series started MSD & senior players like SRT & coach should've had a discussion with curators of 4 venues of test matches held & request for the pitches that they require as of the game plans. Instead what MSD did, openly demanded the curators to provide rank turners which made whole world to laugh @ him. Media is not the way that u should send the orders to ur curators. Wat I described was the way. This must've made all the curators in India to act against MSD. Wat comes from Mukerjee is just that displeasure of the league of curators. even after winning @ Motera MSD still criticized the pitch. This clearly shown the ego of him. @ Mumbai he was given wat he needed & u know wat happened. since this whole thing came up we didn't see any English player was complaining about MSD's demand. It's been all India fight between MSD & local curators.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 19:41 GMT)

Every captain do that but the problem is Dhoni is doing that very openly, probably he wants to take a psychological advantage on Eng player, but man u have to bat well n bowl well to win the match.

Posted by haq33 on (December 1, 2012, 19:39 GMT)

Look the guy was spot on when he said "Indians don't score runs, batsmen do". Give him a break.

Posted by ocean565 on (December 1, 2012, 19:35 GMT)

Dhoni should be DROPPED. He is a liability to the team

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 19:29 GMT)

dhoni is right......spin means spin and not win.....do u c perth bouncing only after3rd day?playing spin better will help the batsmen to play seam well...........which means we can do well abroad also...........and regarding the 3rd test,it showed everyone the greatness of flat track bullies.............

Posted by Full-Blooded-Wallop on (December 1, 2012, 19:08 GMT)

It's so unfortunate to see even the Indian supporters criticizing Dhoni for the brave stance he is taking. @sumbkash: thanks for a really sensible comment :)

Posted by MadhavY on (December 1, 2012, 19:02 GMT)

I think Dhoni should ask someone like Gambhir, Yuvraj, Sachin and himself that may be they need to show some fight. No matter you win or lose it's a sport and you are allowed to lose but the way you loosing is disgusting. Why was Gambhir defending when the lead is around 50 and we are 9 wickets down. I mean what's the point, try and get some runs or stay not out improve avg, chances of playing another test and blame it on others for getting out. Yeah that's some team spirit there. Watching cook, prior, KP, Kallis, ABD, faf, siddle, hussey play makes me feels like can we call these Indian players as cricketers. unfortunately i can't see Indian cricket improving in cricketing terms, not in the foreseeable future.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 18:41 GMT)

If Dhoni must need it, he has to go through proper channel than have the curator's ears bleed with 'personal' requests. Moreover, the curator is right - up the ante on your skills to combat any kind of bowling, rather than relying on pitches. He is approaching it all wrong. It's sad because for a while he did take on all the right lessons and try to build on the gains from Ganguly-Wright era. But like Ganguly in his last few years, Dhoni too is grappling at straws when the resources are wearing thin rather than having the gumption to break it all down and start from scratch.

Posted by ToTellUTheTruth on (December 1, 2012, 18:31 GMT)

Does it really matter? Look what happened in the last test, when Dhoni got what he wanted? "Pitches don't score runs. Batsmen do" Very apt.

Posted by peachaster on (December 1, 2012, 18:29 GMT)

Dhoni needs to be sacked as captain. He is compromising the team's ability to be competitive.

Posted by IlMagnifico on (December 1, 2012, 18:29 GMT)

Inasmuchas I think Dhoni is a mediocre captain and lucky one at that, it is the home team's (captain mainly) prerogative to prepare a pitch to their liking. That's how the game is played.

Posted by xylo on (December 1, 2012, 18:28 GMT)

After following the Perth test, a test that ends in 3 days is fine by me, rather than pitches like Kolkata and Bangladesh that this curator laid out that put spectators in a state of coma. Dhoni said that he wants rank turners to take the toss out of the equation. And he assumed that the top order batsmen would be very good players of spin. That they are not is what is shocking. But if these batsmen perform well in placid pitches and get by with it, that is indeed a shame. Gambhir and Pujara came through unscathed, which speaks volumes about the rest. I would still stick with Kohli for the sake of the future, but ask Sehwag, Yuvraj and Sachin to return for the ODI/T20 matches that are played in concrete-like pitches and show their master-blasting "skills".

Posted by Jalejohns on (December 1, 2012, 18:25 GMT)

Guyz. See this frm a different perspective. As we all know, MSD is a man of thrills, unpredictable experiments and gambles. No one can predict or understand wht exactly is his logic & tactic. Probably by creating turning pitches, he might be replicating the exact england & australian pitches here. There's somethin logical abt it. The Indian bowlers(especially spinners) and Indian batsmen will get a feel of playing in foreign pitches in this series. So that they are gettin a chance to practice in India itself, hw to thrive in these kind of pitches. If they can improve in Kolkata & Nagpur and win the matches for India, It'll be an outstanding achievement. At de same time, if it doesn't work, it will be a kind of suicide as it's the england spinners who are most likely to take the advantage of this situation. So it's a self challenge in some way.

Anywaz lets wait and see what happens. One thing is for sure. The coming two matches are gonna be hardcore thrillers!! Jus enjoy the cricket!!

Posted by inzisaloos on (December 1, 2012, 17:58 GMT)

If Dhoni's call for a turning track is immoral then he is not the only captain in world cricket lacking in moral fibre because he wants to exploit perceived home strengths! It's an open secret that captains and home boards have long asked curators in home tests to prepare wickets to suit the brand of cricket they think will give the national team the best chance of success. The whys and wherefores of this practice can be questioned but the practice will continue nonetheless. Rather than impugning Dhoni's morality the bigger question should be to cast doubt upon his cricketing judgement in asking for a 'square turner' against an opposition who possesses spinners who are more than a match for India's own spin options.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 17:52 GMT)

Doni is no longer fit to lead the Indian cricket team, unfortunately we do not have a replacement. The team is mostly having players who do not select themselves. Gambhir : Has failed in his last 12 + innings ( but for his 63 in his last innings) Shewag : He will score only once every 10 innings Sachin : Very unfortunate that he is failing again and again. Doni : We do not know what for he is in a team team as Captain or a player Zaheer : Past his prime With the above baggage, how can we expect to win even at home

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 17:50 GMT)

How is that immoral. You play to your strengths and visitor's weaknesses. Overseas teams are not going to help you out with slow and low bounce. What is the point of Home field and Home field advantage.

Posted by colombo_SL on (December 1, 2012, 17:20 GMT)

This shows Dhoni's confidence on his team mates.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 17:19 GMT)

Dhoni is right in his demand.... because Indian Batsman can not handle green top wicket , and average bawlers cannot dismiss quality batting line up twice in a match... actually BCCI is trap in its own web, by promoting IPL for money..... now Indian team has lost its strenght.... no quality batsman nor spinners they have, it seems no one now is there the replace former Indain greats cricketers now.... PROMOTE IPL, dont play test anymore, enjoy more money and kill the actual gentle man cricket...please BCCI

Posted by colombo_SL on (December 1, 2012, 17:16 GMT)

I take my hat off on Prabir Mukherjee. great move sir.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 17:15 GMT)

What your team dim at Mumbai. It'll be better if you concentrate on game. You're yet to score a hundred outside subcontinent international cricket. Learn from Saurav, Rahul and Kumble they didi well on all pitches. Even in case of Saurav on tricky Newzeland wicket we're in game till last ball.

Posted by hnlns on (December 1, 2012, 17:13 GMT)

Prabir Mukherjee should have pointed one more thing - if raging turner is needed for test matches at home, then why do we need fast bowlers in the team, it can be packed with 4 or 5 spin bowlers and 6 or 7 batsmen and all fast bowlers in the list of 15 can get immediate release from test cricket duties and get some well-earned rest. He is dead right in criticising MSD. I hope other curators also stand up to this kind of pitch doctoring and tell people clearly that they can do their job satisfactorily and no interference will be tolerated.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 17:07 GMT)

india should be banned not the first time they've done this did it against south africa when they needed win to draw series and just got warning from icc

Posted by Sathish.Velu on (December 1, 2012, 16:56 GMT)

@sumbcash nice to see a pakistani supporting dhoni, I ve seen a lot pakis supporting dhoni, because they really knows the value of dhoni, unlike some indians, paki is one short of a player captain in dhonis calibre, hence they know the true value, stop blaming him, and accept the fact, he s the all time greatest captain of india,

Posted by johntycodes on (December 1, 2012, 16:49 GMT)

Forget the selling tickets for 5 days part. Why when india just got trounced on turner of a pitch to allow england back in to the series do they want a similar pitch. England's spinners are better than india's simple as that.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 16:47 GMT)

Everyone wants to be in the limelight. And Mr.Mukerjee is no exception!!!!

Posted by Cpt.Meanster on (December 1, 2012, 16:35 GMT)

Dhoni needs to get his head back on top of his shoulders. His remarks after humiliating defeats is next to infuriating. I know it's still 1-1 but the way Dhoni is approaching this series, it's ridiculous to say the least. England have displayed some ability to play spin when it turns prodigiously. I guess the bounce helped the English more. I am sure of one thing though, the Eden Gardens pitch has ZERO bounce in it. So I expect England to struggle big time. However, England do have Monty and Swann, who have shown they are better than Ashwin and co. and by preparing a raging turner, Dhoni is effectively playing into the hands of the opposition. I mean, why even speak about the pitch ? This is such a lousy attitude. If I were Duncan Fletcher, I would be at war with MS Dhoni.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 16:33 GMT)

dhoni is in his decision all the other captains do this at thier own soil,so does msd doing it nothing in this.

Posted by Cpt.Meanster on (December 1, 2012, 16:30 GMT)

@JG2704: Well I been following SOME Ranji Trophy cricket and they DO telecast games that feature prominent Indian international players. One such game was shown - Punjab vs Uttar Pradesh featuring both Harbhajan and Raina on opposite sides. Raina scored a massive hundred whereas Bhajji bowled decently without much return. He did pick 3 wickets in one of the innings though. And from what I heard, he wasn't very successful in the remaining games and then went to England to play for Essex where he was okay. So overall, Harbhajan's selection is a panic one and not in line with his awesome form or anything. IMO, Bhajji is past his prime. I cannot see him play for India beyond this series.

Posted by swat1999 on (December 1, 2012, 16:08 GMT)

Wel done Mukharjee, You are such an honest and famous pitch creator. Seems MS Dhoni trying to finding a shelter for hid for his batting failure over theire. What a shame for Dhoni. Thats the reason India have very little success in overseas tour. Dhoni may play good in T20 but never in Test Cricket

Posted by GowharGeelani on (December 1, 2012, 16:07 GMT)

In all fairness, India's skipper MS Dhoni does not deserve a place in the side; neither as a number 7 batter nor as wicket-keeper. Dinesh Karthik is better in both departments, and so are Parthiv, Bisla and N Ojha. But MSD has ensured that he 'eats the cake and have it too'.

Secondly, Mr. Sachin Tendulkar continues living in a denial mode. He can't beat age, time. His last century came almost two years ago and since 13 January this year he is yet to cross a score of 30 in last six tests, nine innings. But neither he nor his die-hard fans understand the ageing 'god' is past his prime; a white elephant in the team, and a burden.

Thirdly, there is a lesson for youngsters, avoid 'fall from grace' like Tendulkar has had. Sachin is not T(o)ndulkar anymore!

Lastly, India were renowned for being lions at home and lambs abroad. But thanks to Dhoni's cunningness n' greed, they are soon gonna be lambs at home too.

Dhoni was big-mouthed about avenging 4-0 at home, but has no clue about Monty!

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 16:05 GMT)

Dhoni be positive n u have so many talentant cricketes in ur side so y do u worry about the pitch.u had better focus on ur batting n it will help u n never theless team india wants ur batting rather than crying for turning pit ch.

Posted by BCCI007 on (December 1, 2012, 16:04 GMT)

Give test capataincy to Gambhir and T20 Capataincy to Kohli. That will ease off his burden. Lets see then

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 16:03 GMT)

i think just like having a neutral umpires for the matches. ICC should apply a new rules for the curators as well. for example if india is playing agaist england on home ground the curator must be from the third country.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 15:54 GMT)

Let us allow MSD his right to free speech! :P

Posted by johnathonjosephs on (December 1, 2012, 15:49 GMT)

It was completely immoral. Even though they have green pitches in Aus/Eng/SA, no captain ever tells the curator to prepare one on purpose

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 15:46 GMT)

Dhoni is doing exactly what England & Australia did to India. They prepared suffocating bouncy wickets to suit themselves. The only difference is that the pitch curators in India think that they are God's gift to humanity.

Posted by Sinhaya on (December 1, 2012, 15:43 GMT)

@ Narbavi, hey mate it is the curator who is the expert in preparing pitches and not Dhoni. Curator is right in saying that test cricket is 5 days and of course meaningless if the pitch turns from day 1 and finishes in no time as per Dhoni's wish. I guess Dhoni thinks that he is bound to win all tosses and bat first. Funny!

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 15:38 GMT)

Dhoni needs to be out of test cricket We need a durable player to captain a test side and he is not it

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 15:38 GMT)

when the focus is more on the pitches, than on right combinations and performance, then you are bound to slip in rankings, and even loose in home conditions. The Indian team has been loosing this battle became evident on the Australian tour, when Gambhir said let the Australaians come to India and then we will show them how to we can make runs. When a premier member of team says that it just shows that teams' ambitions are more short term than becoming a number 1 team in the world, and Dhoni's reaction to pitches is just an extension to that. He is undoing what Ganguly, Dravid, and Kumble did in during their tenure as captain, and that was to play good cricket irrespective of the conditions

Posted by Sakthiivel on (December 1, 2012, 15:35 GMT)

What BCCI is doing ? If curator cant give what the home teams want, they he should be fired. Why to compromise with him.

Posted by Gdesai on (December 1, 2012, 15:35 GMT)

Naturally. home team should have an advantage of the conditions, pitches and the crowd support. But, openly doctoring the pitches is the last thing you want to do as a skipper of the home team! Instead, please work on the game plan on how to cope up with the opposition key players when they are in full flow..

Posted by Whatsgoinoffoutthere on (December 1, 2012, 15:28 GMT)

After the last game, the wisdom of Dhoni asking for a surface like this is questionable (although I still think that England generally more fragile against spin than that result showed). But - and this is a pretty big but - Dhoni has every right to do ask and personally I think this groundsman should stop getting ideas above his station. I don't watch cricket to see England travel halfway round the world, only to play on a reproduction of Edgbaston's wicket. I want to see them play under other conditions - they can't learn unless they do.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 15:27 GMT)

Well said Mr. Mukherjee. Dhoni has to respect him for his age & experience. Dhoni is nothing compared to Mr. Mukherjee's experience. Dhoni's wants a square turner & he himself can't score a decent run in those wickets and why he needs such a wicket.

Posted by Nampally on (December 1, 2012, 15:23 GMT)

I am surprised at the Curator, Mukherjee taking Dhoni seriously.Dhoni called Kolkatta pitch "ugly", last time, Ahmadbad Pitch "slow & poor" & blamed his own bowlers while praising Panesar after a humiliating defeat on a "Turner".The fact is Dhoni's failures are accounted for with excuses. Indian Selectors are too generous to have MSD play in Test Cricket let alone be a Captain.Indian team will never prosper under a captain who is so "Cricket illuterate" . Whilst Captain Cook showed England how to fight back after the first test defeat, Dhoni lacks the same leadership qualities. Instead he blames everything else "A skilled workman never blames his tools".Get a young & keen guy like Pujara to lead the side with a bunch of young guys like Kohli,Tiwary, Rahane,Dhawan,Rahul,Yadev, Aaron, Ojha, Ashwin, Saha. India will be on top again in 2 years. India needs to go forward with action orientated leader than one that gives excuses & blames others for failures.Be Accountable & Committed to WIN!

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 15:05 GMT)

Does anyone re-call any other captain ever calling for pitches to be prepared according to his dictates? I have never read or heard of such brazen statements of interference in the work of others. Dhoni, under pressure to deliver series win has crossed all limits of decency and sportsmanship. He is disgracing Cricket.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 15:00 GMT)

Dhoni and indian cricket is ready for another humiliation in home soil and i am getting some popcorn ready to watch it .....

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 14:45 GMT)

Mr Dhoni : Tie the England batsmen & then tell the bowlers to throw some balls at 'em. This way you'd get easy wickets. This is immoral as well but then again you dont care.

Posted by MartinC on (December 1, 2012, 14:42 GMT)

India would be better served playing England on slow pitches which offer some turn but not a lot of bounce. Engkands batsmen struggle to get rythym in their innings in these conditions and it takes the bite out of our spin bowlers. If India produce a pitch with turn and bounce in it I fancy England to win again.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 14:33 GMT)

Flat Pitches vs Turners ; Any proper cricketer / cricket fan will choose turners ANY day. If you want to see centuries & more centuries for both the teams, why have a bowler? we can replace it with bowling machine so they can keep scoring all day. Discussion ends.

Posted by Jaffa79 on (December 1, 2012, 14:31 GMT)

I agree that you don't want tracks spinning on the first day but as an England fan and a fan of Test cricket I love seeing players adapting to different conditions. This is why it is called Test cricket! I want subcontinent pitches to turn, English wickets to seam around and the WACA to be a flyer. Why do we want generic cricket wickets around the world? This is what separates the 5 day game from the hit and giggle pyjama stuff.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 14:30 GMT)

Square turners from day 1 is the fairest way to go because no one team gets an advantage over the toss. Wondering if the curator understands cricket in the first place.

Posted by Long-Leg on (December 1, 2012, 14:25 GMT)

This is very strange indeed. The problem with producing pitches that are too helpful to the bowlers is that it reduces the game to a lottery. This applies equally to rank turners and green seamers. The ideal pitch is one which offers something for everyone so that there is an even contest between bat and ball. India must back their talent on this. there is nothing wrong with producing turning wickets but it is better if they don't misbehave too much on the first two or three days.

Posted by Desihungama on (December 1, 2012, 14:23 GMT)

This is appalling to say the least. You've got your Captain, Curator and Board in cahoots. Looks like something broke down somewhere and we are seeing all come out. The worst is to see Indian fans giving their blind support to either Captain or Curator without anyone realizing how the spirit of the game is being affected. Indian fans are the least intelligent when it comes cricketing matters.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 14:17 GMT)

Whatever Dhoni is doing out of his arrogance is extremely disappointing. He is taking India back to the times when India used to be a lamb ready to get sacrificed outside. His stance of playing on spin - strength is giving a straight suggestion to all fast bolwers playing in Ranji - 'Guys, you are not worth.. I do not need you'. And when India go out - Australia, England, New Zealand and South Africa.. We will struggle to get 20 wickets. Worst, India is now even unable to take 20 in India either. The problem with Dhoni has been, that he will make mistakes but instead of correcting them, he will keep doing it till the time he proves the point. Even at the cost of losing 9 tests of 10 against top teams.

Posted by Pacelover on (December 1, 2012, 14:15 GMT)

These calls for turning wickets are confusing, it would have made sense back in the days when Englands spin options were Ashley Giles and Richard Dawson but Swann and Panesar are streets ahead of that.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 14:07 GMT)

I remember Rahul Dravid saying that when it swings n seams on day 1, nobody complains but when it spins from day-1, people tend to complain.Rahul found such compalining to be unjustified but listen Rahul and all other fans of day-1 turners, a pitch which swings n seams on day-1 , settles after day-2 and starts deteriorating towards the end whereas a day-1turner starts deteriorating riht from day-1 and it has to be termed as a bad cricket pitch.

Posted by James.The.Ripper on (December 1, 2012, 14:07 GMT)

Dhoni seems to have no faith in his team that's why he keeps talking about pitches. I don't remember any other captain in recent times who was so obsessed with pitches. He (Dhoni) doesn't understand that his turning wickets comments can demoralize India's young fast bowlers. I think it's time Dhoni should seriously think about stepping down from test captaincy.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 13:59 GMT)

In India during fight amongst youngster, they will challenge the opposition to come to our area and fight. Dats y India is called Loin at Home. Please Dhoni grow up. Win the game in any Condition with out saying "Come to my country, I will show u". Mukherjee is right, but that five or one day argument is wrong.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 13:58 GMT)

Do what you like to the pitch Dhoni, youve atill got to bat on the pitch. The curator has shown some mettle by criticising Dhoni. As a professional groundsman myself, I can fully understand the position Dhoni has put the groundsman in. Fact is, Dhoni is a flat track bully and cant bat on anything than moves off the seam or spins because he depends on eye and has a poor technique.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 13:57 GMT)

Im really surprised at the whole scenario. We are missing the point. Home advantage is huge in any series. We as a country should be supporting our team and the management in anyways possible to win a game. I have tremendous respect for our pitch curators who toil hard to give us a great turf, but it's time they put there ego's aside and assist the captain. Trust me he needs ALL the help he can get. I also think that a select few curators from around the country should be sent to SA, Eng and Aus to see how they prepare a pitch, maybe then they would realize the concept of teamwork!! Wake up people we need to retain the No.1 test status. Lets help Team India! Jai Ho!!

Posted by blah123454321 on (December 1, 2012, 13:55 GMT)

This is what annoys me... When India toured Australia last year all the talk was that Australia doctored the pitches to be "venomous" yet the majority of Indian batsmen failed and a large proportion of the Aussies made runs. And now that the Indian team has been beaten in their own trick (spin bowling) the captain cries fowl. Now I'm not saying that host countries doctor pitches to some extent to help the home side yet calling for "rank turners" is completely amoral and not within the spirit of the game. I have nothing but admiration for the curator re Dhoni's statement. And also in regard to some of the comments in terms of Aus vs Saf and how Australia have produced "runways"... I think the weather conditions need to be taken into consideration!

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 13:49 GMT)

first of all , batsman's task is to make runs , whether he likes the pitch or not,it's absolutely illegal that he demands pitch according to his bowlers,well, it you do that you can win in India only but you will fail outside of India and we all know that how India performs at foreign soil. If pitch curator will do what Dhoni tells him to do,People will lose their interest from cricket in India and they will be not be that happy to India win everytime, they will say ' Oh they can only win India' and so on. so i think this absolutely ridiculas that MS Dhoni doing here. I am with Prabir Mukherjee on this one.

Posted by dmqi on (December 1, 2012, 13:40 GMT)

We need bold people like Mr. Mukharjee to make cricket a fair game. Curator should not be dictated what type of pitch he should make. Both team play on the same pitch. Why to cry like Dhoni, the other captain is not crying. I hope he does not ask for Indian umpires only.

Posted by KingOwl on (December 1, 2012, 13:38 GMT)

Well, I am glad that this is in the open. In other countries like England and Australia this happens behind closed doors. At least, there is transparency. Dhoni is also a straight shooter - he says what is in his mind. Not like the drivel you hear from the English and Australians when you travel to their backyards.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 13:38 GMT)

this is being fair these days.. but the point is that Dhoni is focusing on the pitches rather than the team performance... Take the example of england how quick have they recovered right from the second innings of the first test, dhoni should think upon the team performance rather from demanding the turning pitches...

Posted by nickcarter80 on (December 1, 2012, 13:35 GMT)

I can remember during Australian tour of Sri Lanka, 'Galle' stadium was warned for preparing a turning pitch. I'm eagerly watching on how ICC reacts to such a pitch at 'Eden gardens'. Will ICC do the justice to the cricket or will they kneel in front of BCCI? Let's wait and see what ICC and the match referee do in next few days. (Any guesses?)

Posted by Stark62 on (December 1, 2012, 13:29 GMT)

I am 100% behind Dhoni because you don't hear South African, English or Australian curators complain, when they are told to prepare specific pitches!!

The bcci should fire this guy and hire someone, who will listen and not help the touring team.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 13:28 GMT)

i think ashwin is far better in technique of batting dhoni. dhoni should concentrate on batting

Posted by vipravara on (December 1, 2012, 13:26 GMT)

Dear @sumbkash. Well understood your point, but needs a simple correction to it. Dhoni 'was' the best thing... no more 'is' the best thing.... May be Dhoni is desperate for success in test cricket after losing in UK and Aus (8-0) and even at home (Mumbai). For this reason, I think he is no more the correct person for Indian test cricket (not performing both as a captain or a player), as he is certainly leading Indian (test) cricket in the wrong direction to a new and humiliating low. Day by day, he is turning out to be a Mr. Excuse rather than working with a positive mind set. Instead of tackling the weaknesses, he is trying to cover or shield them. This no good for Indian test cricket- a cricket lover from India.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 13:25 GMT)

Pacelover I agreed with you on your comments comparing Ashwin and mendis, they are done. People those critisize harbhajan -he is 10th most successful bowler in test cricket and in second test he was better than ashwin, oh Ravi S and manjre like people they were what, ravi bowling to boyc.. was too much entertaing like old goods train, no body scoring and no body taking wicket and they are experts these days

Posted by 2.14istherunrate on (December 1, 2012, 13:04 GMT)

Why was I led to believe that the home side had very little to do with the type of pitch prepared? This sounds a farce with the curato rdisappearing a week before. It also raises questions over whether it is more immoral to prepare a five day wicket which sucks the life out of the game or a 4 day result pitch. Ultimately the slow turgid puidding will kill of cricket before any rank turner. I think pace in the wicket is prerequisite of good interesting cricket. Mumbai was a better pitch than Ahmedabad, but to a large extent the pitch is determined by lo09cation and soil type. Actually Ahmedabad was more interesting than it usually is. I think the curator of Kolkata is a bit miffed about anyone telling him his job. I think to myself Dhoni is right as at least something is going on. The worst would be if the bounce was not much above shin height. It will be interesting to see what happens, and will the curator return?

Posted by everestpeak on (December 1, 2012, 13:01 GMT)

Out of line...if the curator can deliver...let him...else keeps his views to himself...

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 12:58 GMT)

Yes, their is nothing wrong with MSD. But the way he is doing with BCCI president it is making bad impression to the country and to other

Posted by mylife4cricket on (December 1, 2012, 12:50 GMT)

The way Dhoni is approaching cricket now is completely wrong. He is completely depending on the pitch to help them win,then what is the role of spinners?he got the desired turning pitch in Mumbai but what was the end result,they lost the match so cheaply!In my suggestion,what he should do now is to train his spinners well to bowl in these wickets.I don't understand why our spinners struggle in these pitches.

Posted by spinkingKK on (December 1, 2012, 12:49 GMT)

I, totally, agree with Mukharjee. I even made a comment on cricinfo when Dhoni asked for the squre turners after the first test. Groundsmen, cricket board and the captian of the host nation colluding to make a custom made pitch so that the host team can win easily, is disgraceful. The host nations always have an advantage of picking any players that suits the conditions from a large pool of players and the familiarity with the conditions and the crowd. In my opinion, the toss should always be given to the visiting teams. That way, the home advantage can be negated. Anyway, England don''t have to worry anymore. They are better equipped in the spin bowling department than the host nation. Also, their batsmen have more fighting capacity and better fitness than the Indian batsmen as well. Can't see England losing anymore. Iam an Indian team supporter. However, facts are facts.

Posted by Hammond on (December 1, 2012, 12:45 GMT)

He shouldn't be asking for a rank turner, Swann & Panesar would just run through the Indian batting lineup again.

Posted by Edassery on (December 1, 2012, 12:42 GMT)

I don't know whether someone can really change the nature of the pitch overnight. Even if they do so, such a pitch is going to collapse on the second day itself.

Having said that, Mr.Dhoni should concentrate on building a team that can play in any pitch in India and around the world. If your batsmen and bowlers are good enough there is no need to worry about the pitch.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 12:42 GMT)

"Pitches don't score runs batsman do" I wonder if Dhoni had a good night sleep when he was told this... How more could you disgrace the sport?!?! Hope this is the beginning of the end for MSD

Posted by krv954 on (December 1, 2012, 12:39 GMT)

What is the matter with Dhoni. Why can't he send such messages through proper channels like BCCI and have BCCI direct the state boards. Why is he making a fool of himself and doing all of this is public. It is not as if things like this don't happen elsewhere. It is just done discreetly.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 12:38 GMT)

I salute Mukherjee for saying what he said. A man of honour and integrity. I would equate Dhoni's request to prepare a turning pitch to tempering with the ball. A TEST team should be able to play in all conditions and the argument of playing to ones strengths does not hold water in this case at all. Shows Team India's negative mind set. The game is not about WINNING at all costs, it is about competing and then the best team wins.

Posted by Bruisers on (December 1, 2012, 12:38 GMT)

Dhoni is a good limited-overs captain, no doubts about that. But when it comes to Tests, his defensive tactics, poor batting and average wicketkeeping put question marks over his place in the team. My suggestion is, drop him and sack Harbhajan as well. There are far too many underperformers in the current Test squad.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 12:30 GMT)

It is shameful as a cricket lover to hear, what Dhoni is telling, it sounds very cheap.He should concentrate on his and teams batting.Anyway it is his poor captaincy b'coz of that we lost Bombay match.Be a sport person and play the game with the spirit of game.

Posted by Alexk400 on (December 1, 2012, 12:23 GMT)

Dhoni is right and curator is wrong. You need to support your country. India do not have bowlers to take 20 wickets. All india got is two control spinners. if pitch do not assist game mostly draw. Who wants to see Draw. Dhoni wants to win. But thee is a risk. England proved they have better spinners than indian counterpart. mukerjee take 1 year off no one cares. We need rank turners in calcutta and nagpur 100%. All i want to see what dhoni gona do with his wish. It will be fun to watch.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 12:20 GMT)

Some one referred to the curator's behavior with Ganguli. Yes, I had, in the past, seen pictures of Ganguli & the same curator going around the Eden pitch, chatting away, and quite happily, when a match is coming up. But, let me point out to English supporters who may want to jump in, saying that such personal disagreements spill over to the professional sphere only in India. They may just sit back and reflect, how the whole KP saga started! And, continued ad nausium,ad infinitum. And finally how it was resolved. When ego takes over reason, anything can happen anywhere. If excuses can take over inadequacies, anything can happen anywhere!

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 12:19 GMT)

Well done Mr. Mukherjee! At least someone has guts to realize how ordinary Dhoni is. He neither scoring runs in abroad and not in India now. He has Srinivasan as his supporter otherwise there is no reason for his stay in Indian team, talking about captaincy is too far.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 12:18 GMT)

Mr.Dhoni is not fit for leading an Indian test team since he is scared of loosing. He is not confident of his team in calling for a turning track. A team which was no.1 only just a year ago, Dhoni is calling for spinning track to beat an overseas team. After suffering a white wash in both England and Australia, his calling for a turning track shows him in very light. Does he fear that if he does not get a spinning track, the English fast bowlers will run through his batting line up.

See the attitude of ex-captains Sourav Ganguli, Rahul Dravid and Anil Kumble. They were not afraid of opposing fast bowlers but Dhoni is afraid to face English fast bowlers even in Indian pitches. How is he going to handle them when playing abroad. Dhoni is a very defensive captain without any enterprise or courage. The sooner we replace our Captain, the better it is for Indian cricket. We want inspiring captains like Ganguly, Nawab of Pataudi and if not atleast captains like Dravid and Kumbale,

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 12:17 GMT)

Again I expect ** MAN PROPOSES GOD DISPOSES ** like in Mumbai. After Dravid and laxman, we do not have players to withstand attack of quality spinners from England.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 12:13 GMT)

to me its pretty absurd. Its like there's a guest in your home and you have told your mother in the kitchen to cook your favorite dishes only. this isn't what people call 'taking home advantage'. its really silly from a captain of Dhoni's standard.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 12:11 GMT)

While i agree that the home team can have wickets prepared that suit them, we must remember that its Test cricket and as such should be a test of all the players skills. Its the pinnacle of cricket and a home team going too far in terms of artificially creating a wicket that supposedly suits them does not help the Test game. Each country and indeed each Test venue has their own natural conditions and thats what should be encouraged.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 12:07 GMT)

Except Sachin (of the past), none of the other Indian batsmen in the India team, (including the great 'allrounder' Yuvi and the WK-batsman Dhoni) can play good spin bowling well. Why this suicidal wish? To finish the matches in three days and use the saved two days for ad-shoots?

Posted by ozwriter on (December 1, 2012, 12:07 GMT)

dhoni is not doing his future any good. he will be forever remebered as the cheater, the cheating captain. its getting ridiculous.

Posted by S.Jagernath on (December 1, 2012, 12:03 GMT)

This curator needs to understand his role & that is to listen to what the BCCI says & produce the pitches that they ask for.He does not have the power to question Indian cricket tactics.Spinning pitches are traditional Indian wickets & produce exciting contests.The curator should be fired.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 12:02 GMT)

Whatever may be the nature of the pitch, I am afraid, there is a high chance that the Kolkatta test will be a replica of what is going on in Perth, right now. Replace host Australia with host India. Australian bowlers with Indian bowlers. And, Ricky with Sachin. The only difference is likely to be that Dhony can't do a Wade, (at least in a test match)

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 11:58 GMT)

In some parts of India the name Panesar (Pane-saar) will be pronounced like Pain-Sir. Yes, more and more pain, Sir.

Posted by manjunathnaik on (December 1, 2012, 11:56 GMT)

No captain has ever begged like this to win a test match. Dhoni is such an egoistic person that even after winning the test match at motera he blamed the pitch. To loose a test match even when all the conditions favoured is a big humiliation.

Posted by aashokan on (December 1, 2012, 11:55 GMT)

India seldom presents a united front, in sport or anywhere! Everyone is the master of the game!

Posted by saibal on (December 1, 2012, 11:46 GMT)

Dhoni will now ask for two piches - one to bat and the other to bowl :)

Posted by kamranmalik7 on (December 1, 2012, 11:42 GMT)

Do the curator has right to make pitches of his own Choice ?? All the cricketing countries are not preparing pitches which suits them ?? Curators will decide the match should finish on which day ??

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 11:40 GMT)

asking for turning pitches on 4th or 5th day is a serious injustice to the 2nd batting team especially to bat on 4th innings, instead spin turners from 1st day is not at all a bad choice

Posted by ARJa on (December 1, 2012, 11:39 GMT)

Finally an Indian is brave enough to stand up for their crazy captain and his egoistic band of merry men. They can't bat on square turners or taken wickets on them, yet they ask for square turner because of their mental illusion of being the superior team in world cricket. An year full of home tests, and they still won't be any close to being number one. The swollen heads of the seniors in this team is their downfall. Why can't they just be down to earth and play cricket. They are going to lose this series as well. Then may be we can go play cricket in a crater in the moon to see if it turns more. Probably needs a pitch with a 150 degree turn capacity to satisfy Dhoni, The captain who took Indian cricket underground and below. So sad. There was a time when we use to cheer for India when they took on power houses like Australia, England and RSA. Not anymore.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 11:38 GMT)

@Balaji Kumar & challagalla: totally agree: Dhoni's miscalculation lay not in the fact that he requested rank turners, but that he chose to do so in so public a fashion. Given the hapless way England's batsmen have handled spin over the last 12 months - not just in the UAE but also on their ODI tour of India last year as well as during the T20 World Cup in Sri Lanka - it's hardly surprising that Dhoni identified spin as England's most glaring weakness, but to publicly call for turning pitches from Day One unfortunately created the impression not merely that he had zero confidence in his own bowlers to perform on any other kind of surface but also that he was somehow attempting to bend the rules (which was certainly not the case). Personally, I hope we *do* see more square turners, not so much because Swann & Monty can match the Indian spinners blow for blow, but because it makes for such a compelling spectacle. Every single day of this series so far has been utterly absorbing.

Posted by srinideva on (December 1, 2012, 11:34 GMT)

@Jordanmacmillan88, you guys are only shown up when your team win... I can`t see you when your team lost 1st test..So just cool down...Everyone will get answer after this kolkata test... BTW india is not the best test nation in the world so do England... If i correctly remember you were beaten by the SA in your home 2-0...

Posted by bumsonseats on (December 1, 2012, 11:31 GMT)

well said the groundsman. it takes a man of great integrity and brave to come out and say what hes said. not only has the captain come out and said (which is stupid) but for the BCCI to send a guy to the grounds to make sure those orders were made to happen. during the tests in england the indian captain evoked the spirit by letting bell be recalled after been given out. 99% of letters praised him. im pleased to see what looks like a good few asian names are of the same opinion against him this time and good on them. if we do get a captains wish type wicket let england win the toss and play tredwell with our other 2 spinners even if only go in with anderson or finn and get a spinner to open the bowling as india do. lets fight fire with fire

Posted by ravikini on (December 1, 2012, 11:24 GMT)

Why this hullaboo about pitches?? Pitches don't win matches if the Mumbai match is anything to go by. You need capable people to utilize the pitch. Only sore losers blame other things when they lose. Look at SA, how they are humbling Aussies at home..... You cannot say you can win only in certain conditions and if the conditions are not met, you will lose. Don't hold the dagger against the pitch curators... rather analyse where you can improve and exploit the opportunity on hand. Shame on MSD. A sore loser...... Ganguly was removed from captaincy with a better record than Dhoni, if you consider last 4 series.

Posted by PhaniBhaskar24 on (December 1, 2012, 11:21 GMT)

It seems really the game is going nowhere in india now...no real passion to produce brilliant spinners, young fast bowlers, a real solid All-rounder....we are just speaking on " Dhoni want turners".... " Whom X is dating"....come on guys..let cricket speak itself ( Like the way Aus Vs SA cricket match is speaking"

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 11:10 GMT)

I don't think dhoni is serious about taking revenge , he is under performing in test matches & still he want turning Pitches , i think he is not interested to stay in the crease for longtime. I think Board should take action against him. if he is not interested he can retire from test matches at least.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 11:09 GMT)

Clearly no-one here (incl. Mr. Mukherjee) except for @Nayan Patel has actually listened to/read the Dhoni interview. How could all of you claim that Dhoni's reasoning is still "India can only win on rank turners" when A) That is contrary to what MS Dhoni himself stated and B) That is contradicted by the results in the series so far...

Posted by Lahori92 on (December 1, 2012, 11:07 GMT)

Dhoni has completely lost the plot, he's lost one test at home and he's gone bonkers. he has criticised every one from the umpires to the grounds men rather then to concentrate on his own game and the team.

Posted by srinideva on (December 1, 2012, 11:05 GMT)

To fellow indian fans, i don`t understand the logic in blaming everything on our captain. It is senseless thing...What on earth other player in the team doing..they are not in the team to cheer for the captain vs captain contest.. or please inform me once the test matches only played between captains.. Whoever to captain this team will not guarentee a success. because ther are full packed non performers in the team..batsman did not score runs there is no quality fast bowlers..what can captain do...If anyone can answer this questions???

Posted by Akshita29 on (December 1, 2012, 11:04 GMT)

Plz dont compare to Perth. Perth is traditionally a very bouncy track and it would remain so where fast bowlers enjoy little bit of bounce and batsman can score runs too if they apply themselves. Faf wade Amla etc are examples. It was poor batting from the both sides in the 1st innings . And it's not like that Clarke asked for a fast bouncy pitch . Everyone knows Perth is a fast bouncy wicket and it should remain so and with good fast bowlers in both side this is good to watch. As for kolkata I don't understand why Dhoni does not want a slow turning track ? Why does he want to win in just 3 days with a rank turner? He can win in 5 days like in Motera. Or he is just lazy and dont want to work hard to earn the win in 5 days. Like Rahul Dravid said preparing a rank turner would make it a bit of lottery and risky . I have no problem Dhoni preparing rank turner but why would he go disrespecting a senior curator . I would still back India to win but it would have been much better if India beat them on a traditional Indian pitch which would turn anyway from 3rd and 4th day . Whatever happens Dhoni is putting too much pressure on himself and teammates . Likes of yuvraj wont be happy with a rank turner and there would be additional pressure on the the likes of Aswin to perform on a rank turner . There would be pressure on God and Harbhajan (if he plays) to perform .

Posted by Harmony111 on (December 1, 2012, 11:02 GMT)

@Maddy: You echoed my emotions. There is no unity amongst us. In the name of ethics, morals, free and bold thinking a lot of our fellow Ind fans AND some persons in key positions don't look at the big picture and needlessly start criticizing our leaders. Dhoni's value in the test team is debatable but he still is the captain. He is the one answerable for the losses and not this curator. It is yet another case of red-tapism: A babu in a key position knows without his assistance work wont get done so he says what he feels like. Just watch the Oz-SA match and see how even the Oz Comms are nearly in unison with the players for the match situation ball by ball as if they themselves are playing it. While here, the couch potatoes and arm chair critics want Sachin to retire and drop Dhoni, Yuvi, Bhajji, Gambhir, Zak, Ashwin. They have no idea how a system works and how it is designed. I wish we were more laser like in our thoughts, Imagine a billion minds thinking alike !!!

Posted by AndyVine on (December 1, 2012, 11:01 GMT)

"IMMORAL" is a very strong word. The issue of Dhoni asking for a particular type of pitch should never have risen. When India goes to Eng or SA or Aus, their curators don't show morality. They make pitches where Indians will find it as uncomfortable as possible. Indian curators should themselves realise this & make pitches where visiting teams find it as uncomfortable as possible. If India can't get a pitch in India where they are comfortable, expecting a comfortable pitch out of India would be "IMMORAL".

Posted by srinideva on (December 1, 2012, 10:56 GMT)

It is better to plat 3 and half days of intresting cricket than 5 day draw test... Anyone pass this message to this too old fashion curator... BCCI should give him full break from his work..

Posted by khan586 on (December 1, 2012, 10:53 GMT)

I think Dhoni misses his childhood days of playing in streets full of dust and sand and this is what he expects at this level. I agree with Mukherjee, "Pitches won't win matches to Dhoni, it's his players and himself who need to improve themselves.

Posted by Raju_Iyer on (December 1, 2012, 10:50 GMT)

A classic case if the tail trying to wag the dog. A million fans and more breathe down the captain's neck, asking for wins all the time. The captain asks for appropriate resources and all hell beaks lose! Instead of saluting and applauding Dhoni for his guts in trying to take the toss out of the equation and making the game more competitive I can't believe that there are folks out there cricising him!! And some people think Parhiv can perform better than him!! Get. Real folks, here is a captain going all out with the resources available to him, trying to in India matches day in and day out, and some of us want to criticize him? Shame on you fellows! MSD, our best wishes are ith you! Bharat Mata ki Jai!

Posted by Moppa on (December 1, 2012, 10:48 GMT)

@Mitchell Burke, you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. The Perth and Adelaide wickets are exactly the same as in previous years, with Brisbane slightly on the slow side (and not helped by rain during the game, which prevented it from drying out), but not very different from the previous two years. Why would Cricket Australia order 'runways' for Tests 1 and 2 and then a sporty, bouncy pitch like at the WACA today for Test 3. Your comment makes no sense. Stick to commenting on tiddlywinks.

Posted by maddy20 on (December 1, 2012, 10:44 GMT)

@LMAOtseung Scared of playing on turning tracks? Go home and play WI and NZ. Boost your rating by beating them. Calling turning tracks doctored and seaming tracks as fair is both ridiculous and baseless. Besides our seamers picked 7 wickets at 16.66 a piece in Ahmedabad and if your green track bullies cant bowl in India, that is none of concern. Come what may Eng are gonna be thrashed in the remaining two games. They were surprised by Panesar in the last game but no more. They will paste him to all the corners of Eden Gardens this time around.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 10:43 GMT)

The curator has no business to impose his terms. He may be acting genuinely but he has to follow instructions to given them. He is there to do what he has been told to. Let him do the instructed and not make himself popular and gaining some reputation by spoiling his dignity for some cheap publicity. If he cannot do the job and be a patriot let him quit his job and go. Leave playing cricket and winning to the Indian team. If they still lose incapably after getting what they wanted then its a collective shame for the 11 gentlemen and the curator can have a silent laugh for himself. Hope the men in whites atleast play with passion and pride for their nation and become victorious.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 10:42 GMT)

I tell you what is Immoral is creating a dead track that breaks on the 5th day so you get a boring match that ends up in a draw, but hey BCCI get the peoples money right?Dhoni played to the strengths of India, India supposed to have the better spinners,India have batsmen who play spin better, yet India were the One that were disadvantaged?.. Dhoni wanted the result pitch and thats what he got. India lost because their batsmen didnt play well and their bowlers didnt bowl well. a lot of people who are complaining are the same ones who also saying test cricket is dying.

Posted by VivtheGreatest on (December 1, 2012, 10:40 GMT)

This open spat between the Indian Captain and a curator is making us a laughing stock. If Dhoni wants turners he should address the curator or the BCCI privately instead of holding press conferences and announcing his likes and dislikes to the world. I have no problem with us asking for a rank turner coz pitches everywhere suit the home team but right now I think its gonna backfire again coz we don't seem to have the resources to win on such pitches anymore. The best option seems to be a flat pitch which deteriorates on the last 2 days and hope to win the toss and bat first ala Ahmedabad!

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 10:38 GMT)

Mr. Dhoni, by Constantly begging for rank turners and blaming everything else for these losses, is a sign of a mere looser. The respect you have earned so far can be vanished in no time... be a true sportsman first spirit will follow along...

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 10:37 GMT)

Dont really understand why this talk of preparing pitches to suit the local team is much fussed about by one and all. India's bowling strength (if at all any that can be claimed is in the spin dept. There is nothing wrong in preparing a pitch that would suit the indian bowlers. If India still fails then its a collective failure their batsman dont perform and their bowlers do the same. If english batsman and bowlers can fare better in the pitches we prepare to augment our strengths then there are 11 inept people in the team representing INDIA who cannot just play on their past merits. If they are not performing then the board and its selectors should have the guts to give chances to the fringe players who are perenially sitting in the batch and see if they can perform. No one including the captain should be guaranteed their places for their macho outlook or charisma....The pride of playing for one's country should be on display and if they are jus underperforming sack them whoever itz

Posted by PanGlupek on (December 1, 2012, 10:36 GMT)

I'm not an Indian fan (and thier board annoy me probably more than anything else in cricket), but I don't see a problem with the home team asking the groundsman for whatever type of pitch they want.

In this particluar case, England's spinners look equally as good as India's (not sure about some of the batsmen), and England will be expecting a rank turner, so I don't think they'll be too upset if that's what they get.

The only 2 things India need to watch out for is 1) The ICC playing regs don't allow massive turn from day 1, and can fine/punish boards for producing them (they won't though - the BCCI have too much power for the ICC) 2) It would make India look foolish if they get thier pitch wishes & still get beat comfortably.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 10:22 GMT)

This sort of things happen quietly elsewhere but in India pitch curators consider themselves independent and do what they please. There is nothing wrong in what Dhoni asks as what is the point of having tarmacs which aid no one. I dont mind losing in a turning wicket but the match will be interesting.

Posted by Bilal_26891 on (December 1, 2012, 10:18 GMT)

Dhoni should be ashamed of himself by saying that Ind can't win matches if the pitch isn't a rank turner. Its ridiculous to disrespect the culture of Indian Cricket....

Posted by Pacelover on (December 1, 2012, 10:17 GMT)

India's just do not have the spinners to take full advantage on raging turners, they are better off with slow turners as they negate Panesar to an extent while still doing enough to expose some england batsmens weakness against spin.

Harbhajan has not produced a quality test match bowling performance for some time nowand Ashwin is going through a tricky spell like Mendis did. Ojha is a fine bowler and is best suited to slow turners.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 10:16 GMT)

Mr. Dhoni needs to concentrate on his batting than the pitch.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 10:10 GMT)

I do not agree with Mr . Mukherjee , his comments were a bit too strong. If you look at the other side of the issue , we can say , there's nothing wrong in doing so. All that the fans expect is a win not a boring , 5-day tame draw. As long as we win , all of them are happy. But yes , this is like purchasing a lottery ticket , or we can attribute this to a two way sword , some live by it some die by it ... So let us see how the things unfold at DADA's Home Ground !!

Posted by trav29 on (December 1, 2012, 10:06 GMT)

i have no problem with home teams preparing pitches that suit them , thats one of the advantages of being at home. from the sounds of this and the fairly extreme reaction of the curator being "forced" into taking a months absence suggests it has gone beyond mere playing to your strengths and crossed the line into doctoring picthes which the curator had too much professional pride to go along with.

Posted by Narbavi on (December 1, 2012, 10:04 GMT)

this is silly from the curator, just because Dhoni criticised the pitch previous time he is taking revenge now, why didn't he come out and complain when DADA asked for turning tracks??

Posted by luks on (December 1, 2012, 9:59 GMT)

Oh, no. Dhoni now has an excuse for when he loses the next test match. He will blame it on the curator. Lol.

Posted by Playfair on (December 1, 2012, 9:43 GMT)

Welll said and done Mukherjee ... Dhoni struggles to play on turners, how will he handle a 'rank turner'?? This goes to all the Indian batsman?

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 9:38 GMT)

Dhoni is preparing for another series defeat...a hatrick of abysmal failures

Posted by JG2704 on (December 1, 2012, 9:30 GMT)

I just wonder about Harbajan and whether he is the bowler of old? He looked very unthreatening in the last test. I've not followed Indian domestic cricket so maybe he has been doing the business there. If not , I just womder if they were selecting him because of his performance vs India in the T20WC - as a psychological thing

Posted by sumbkash on (December 1, 2012, 9:28 GMT)

I dont get this, i am a paki so maybe i cant get the bigger picture here but i would love for someone from India to explain it to me.... Dhoni won India the world Cup the T20 Cup took the team to No 1 in tests even if only for a brief period it is still an achievement.... Still i see and read so many hate comments and talks of taking Dhoni out of the test team ???!!!! as a person from another county i think Dhoni is the best thing that happened to Indian cricket better than Sachin i believe people can disagree but i mean facts and figures side with Dhoni results side with Dhoni but i guess thats the nature of the sport then people will always talk no matter what you achieve...

Posted by CricketingStargazer on (December 1, 2012, 9:23 GMT)

@Nabankur Paul, this point seems to be hard for Indian fans to understand, but curators in England and Wales do NOT prepare pitches to captain's orders. They are fiercely independent. All preparations are free of outside pressures. That's why there is no publicity for the pitch orders, because such orders do not exist (the captain can't even ask for the pitch to be cut). There are standing instructions issued to groundsmen on pitch preparation each year (a little work with Google will find them - pretty generic), with sanctions for pitches that are found to be unfit. However, weather conditions do affect conditions: in a cool, wet summer pitches will have some green in them, you can't avoid it, just as in a hot dry summer, August pitches in England will turn and sometimes turn big, as bowlers such as Mutiah Muralitharan have found to their delight.

Posted by Dashgar on (December 1, 2012, 9:21 GMT)

This is a really bad attitude by Dhoni. You shouldn't be forcing grounds to produce wickets to help you, the ground should produce the best wicket they can for test cricket. Home ground advantage comes when you play well on your own pitches, not by tailor making pitches to suit your players. No other nation in the world does this. Yes pitches in certain countries tend to be a certain way and players who come through the ranks will favour those pitches, but no nation makes pitches specifically for their own team's strengths. That is not what test cricket is all about.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 9:21 GMT)

Mukherjee says: "Why does Dhoni want a square turner on the first day?" .. Doesnt he read the newspaper or hasnt he seen any of Dhoni's interviews? Dhoni has clearly stated his reasons. He just wants the toss to be taken out of the equation in a test match. Do people really want to see a match being decided just based on the flip of a coin? What is the point in watching a match where the team batting first bats for 2 days, piles up a huge score and then tries to get the other team out twice in 3 days. I really appreciate Dhoni's stand on this issue. People who criticize him just havent cared enough to even listen to what he has said, let alone understand is point of view. Mr Mukherjee should just leave his job for good if he can't understand this simple point.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 9:17 GMT)

well done to mr mukherjee

Posted by bluefunk on (December 1, 2012, 9:15 GMT)

this doesn't make any sense - just look what's happening at the WACA. that test definitely won't be going into the fifth day way things are going.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 9:15 GMT)

Dhoni is playing with the emotions of the millions of cricket loving Indians, its not clear whether he wants square turning pitches for India or England, the way they played 2nd test in Mumbai it looks Dhoni wants to give the opposition an advantage over India. BCCI needs to make some painful decisions if they really care for the betterment of cricket in India. And getting rid of Dhoni himself would be one of the first decision they would have to make, followed by non playing members like Ghambhir, Tendulkar, Harbhajan and even Ashwin for that matter as he cannot bowl on those turning tracks. The players A. Rahane, Tiwari and so many others should be given a chance, otherwise series may end reading as 1-3 in England's favour.

Posted by kingcobra85 on (December 1, 2012, 9:14 GMT)

The curator must be ashamed not Dhoni.

Posted by Front-Foot-Lunge on (December 1, 2012, 9:14 GMT)

My Oh My - In the immortal words of Shakespeare's Hamlet - "There's something rotten in the state of Denmark". Chaos reigns inside Indian cricket. And meanwhile England coast along.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 9:09 GMT)

i hope that the third test will be a repeat of the second test with swann and panesar taking all indian wickets...

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 9:03 GMT)

I doubt India is the only side who indulges in this. Aus has obviously produced runways in Brisbane and Adelaide to negate the Saffer bowlers. It is now spectacularly backfiring in Perth. Having said that, SA always throws out a few lawns for touring sub-continental sides. This Perth pitch is excellent. A bit for the quicks and for the spinners. Plenty of runs for hard working batsmen too. Brilliant.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 8:57 GMT)

if Indian batsmen cant handle Swan and Panesar then there is no way Dhoni is going to ask for spinning tracks when Pakistan's spinners come over. Indian Batsmen just will not be able to handle them on a spinning track.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 8:54 GMT)

Its ridiculous... I Support what Mukherjee says " Pitches don't score runs, batsmen do". What Indian batsman do in second innings of Mumbai test? First of all ask Dhoni to resign and leave him out of Test team. Bring Keepers like Parthiv who is performing good in Ranjis.

Posted by WheresTheEmpire on (December 1, 2012, 8:45 GMT)

I must agree with Prabir and congratulate him on being a man of courage and character for upholding the much talked about but less practiced "spirit of cricket". If captains are allowed to order pitches tailored to their specific needs is there any honour for their side or the country they represent in such a tainted victory? This not a problem that is unique to India. Pitch-fixings is just another form of match-fixing and should be treated with the same revulsion and penalties as spot-fixing. ICC, please act.

Posted by Gupta.Ankur on (December 1, 2012, 8:20 GMT)

This is poor attitude shown by Mukherjee and i think he's probably using the defeat in Mumbai as an excuse to settle some personal scores with Dhoni.

Posted by Rahul_78 on (December 1, 2012, 8:18 GMT)

Well iMSD is well within his right to ask for pitches that he thinks will give his team an advantage. (It is debatable weather turning track really do give his bowlers or English spinners more of an advantage.) That is what home conditions and advantage means. He can not go to Headingly or Perth to ask for rank turners. There are some unwritten rules not only in cricket but in any other profession where anybody would like to seek favor from his or her colleagues and friends. Seems like Mr.Mukherjee is doing under pressure Indian team no favors through his pitch or in media. There was no need to go on news channels to make his grievances public. There is still no doubt that Indian batsmen as a unit are much better when it comes to play spin bowling then Englishmen. If only Indian spinners learn from their mistakes and come up with much better performance the turning track are still Indias best bets to win a test match.

Posted by HawK89 on (December 1, 2012, 8:14 GMT)

Dhoni didn't like it because he couldn't bat on it.

Posted by mamboman on (December 1, 2012, 8:12 GMT)

Another example of India's obscene sense of entitlement and lack of moral leadership.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 8:07 GMT)

A bit of assistance for the home side is expected, but to ask for a rank turner shows a weak mind. Let the game be played between competing teams. Why ask for help from the ground. Next it might be a call for local umpires to come back! shame!

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 8:00 GMT)

Mr MSD, why are you so keen on scoring below 20 again and again?

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 7:59 GMT)

There should be mutual understanding between them. Curator should prepare pitch as requested by skipper. He is not the one playing in the field. His leave should not be 1 month instead it should be made permanent.

Posted by getsetgopk on (December 1, 2012, 7:55 GMT)

His WC 92 post match speech, still holding the trophy in his hands, the sweat hasn't dried up yet and the breath hasn't quite settled down yet, he was talking about his cancer hospital and his next plans. Funny, the man had moved on already. He's gave cricket everything he got and yet when it was over, didn't even spare a few seconds to look back at it as if he's abandoned cricket forever. There are things to be done, more important goals to be achieved, such is the level of his dedication and single mindedness, he didn't even waste time in saying goodbye to cricket let alone celebrating his magnificent career. Life goes on, no time to be wasted, the greatest cricketer ever to have played the game.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 7:53 GMT)

Not many good things are happening in indian cricket. Why is Dhoni spoiling his own image b asking for pitches that turm from ball 1. Its fair to ask for a particular type of wicket but he must do it privately by talking with the curator. Have we seen Strauss or Clarke demanding pitches that seam in the media when india toured last year. And it is more shameful to see that players like Gambhir has started shouting in Australia itself that they will give turners with bounce to the opposition and still we had an embarrasing defeat in Mumbai.

Posted by rahulcricket007 on (December 1, 2012, 7:51 GMT)

changing curators will not do anything . CHANGE IN TEAM IS REQUIRED . i don't know why dhoni is so baffled with eden gardens pitch . eden garden has always been a very good ground for india . some great test matches have been played here .

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 7:50 GMT)

Some cricketing careers do not seem very long these days....

Posted by dhonisingh on (December 1, 2012, 7:48 GMT)

dhoni is absolutely right in demanding turners its a process off give and take cricket is all abt winning not getting bored for 5 days

Posted by Rupert147 on (December 1, 2012, 7:45 GMT)

Sounds like there so many problems in India. The BCCI don't seem to know what to do next in attempts to get revenge for the humiliating tour to England in 2011. They've tried to uninvent the wheel of technology now they want to go back to the days of stitch up pitches. Sadly for them the English spinners are more effective on turning pitches and they dare not produce a green seamer as that's what destroyed them in England. Add to that Tendulkar should have retired when Dravid did and it's causing more issues of embarrassment but we'd all better whisper this last paragraph so as not to offend anyone.

Posted by Dino11 on (December 1, 2012, 7:44 GMT)

I just pray that pitch starts to spin from day one and India is bowled out(They bat on day 1) for below to 150 by monty & swann with final result being eng win the match with a innings to play...this is the only way...Dhoni will be thrown out and BCCI will learn lesson....if at all, India wins next test match, it will not be good for them in long run as this will prove arrogant Dhoni right....It will hide real problem....it will help Dhoni to keep his cap for next 2 to 4 years....none is these things are good for India.....Thr is no skill in his captaincy....thr is no imagination or captain's plan to get victory....its all goes on....some u win...some u lose....what u win is becoz of ur team....none of the match you can say dhoni won with his great & tactical captaincy..

Posted by JustIPL on (December 1, 2012, 7:42 GMT)

Also the flat track is needed to extend match to five days due to ticket selling and other media rights.

Posted by Naresh28 on (December 1, 2012, 7:40 GMT)

INDIAN CRICKET is not PROFESSIONAL ENOUGH. With so much coaching talent available from past talent e.g. KUMBLE could quite easily have been asked to work with the spinners and assess their problems from last game. Work on specific problems with them. We have some of greatest past batting talent who could work with some of the players. Too much is swept under the carpet. Right now I reckon we have so much problems and are no way near our best. Bowling had been weak for so long and yet nothing is ever done by the BCCI. COOK, PEITERSON, CLARKE, PONTING these guys are given easy 'get out jail free cards' when batting cause our bowlers can do nothing to get them out.

Posted by JustIPL on (December 1, 2012, 7:40 GMT)

The pitch most llikely is going to be a flat track trying to put English bowling attack out of the equation. Only then there is a chance to keep series level at 1-1.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 7:36 GMT)

Prabir Mukherjee Has Shown Some Guts, Which BCCI Officials And Selectors Failed To Do. Time To Dump Dhoni, Who Always Got Someone Or Something To Blame To Hide His Incompetency Both As A Captain And A Player

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 7:33 GMT)

Message 1 :It's extremely sad that ,the Captain of India has to beg for turning pitches.Let me elucidate my comment a bit, in England , Australia, Newzealand, South Africa , the propounder of sporting pitches in Cricket ,the pitches are made as per the requirement of Captain of the team.No question asked , no media coverages,no controversies! I recollect one incident, under captaincy of Sourav Ganguly once India toured NewZealand , & when Sourav went to inspect the pitch , to his horror he discovered , the pitch is lush green & very little difference exist between the out field & pitch .It was to be remembered , no single grass was cut or mowed down , India had to play the match on the same pitch.Nobody will give India a turning track when they go on tour abroad. LET'S FACE THIS FACT.Even in the last tour to England , the pitches were made friendly for the paceres.Andrew Strauss did not have to beg for it .It was made as per his requirement, after observing England's strength.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 7:32 GMT)

really shameful of the Indian captain to demand rank turners when he and his team were thrashed at mumbai...actually prabir mukherjee is trying to save INDIAN team from the blemishes of mumbai test. he wants to prepare typical subcontinent pitch where its a batting paradise for the first 2 days and then starts to turn from the 3 rd day onwards. its more pathetic that Dhoni ,instead of concentrate of his teams weakness is going after pitch only..pitch only plays a part in the game. you have to play good cricket in order to win matches and at the moment ,dhoni is not doing that. looking at his own form, he doesnt deserve the india test side place since he is not scored any runs in the past 2-3 years. instead of seeing his own batting woes , he is more concerned about the pitch rather than his batting. if his captaincy is taken off , he has no record/stats to stay in the team as a batsmen. really pathetic and shameful of the indian captain.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 7:32 GMT)

The demand for a rank turner from the first day at Eden Gardens by M. H. Dhoni just brings out the true fact that he has run short of ideas ( in case he had one ) to read a wicket and to out think the opposition. Whatever wins India has had was never due to Dhoni's cleaver mind but it was the luck he did enjoy when using certain bowlers and the time when he did use them. Another point with Dhoni is that he is his own clique of players that he wants always and these players are either totally out of form or they remain a stubble block for other promising players to be selected and groomed.

In England India was washed away like ninepins and for revenge giving spinners paradise against England in India has proved a failure as India lost the Mumbai Test. It again proved that the English have better spinners who know how to exploit the given wicket where our world class came a cropper.

Let's give a cricket wicket and see who has better skills to come out winner.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 7:29 GMT)

Mukherjee should be the Indian team selector...he is awesome...!!

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 7:26 GMT)

I can smell something other than cricket here. India loosing 7 wickets in a session was mysterious:)

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 7:25 GMT)

Curator asking for leave citing Dhoni as reason..what an idea..

Posted by Kada101 on (December 1, 2012, 7:23 GMT)

Completely agree with the curator..... Given his performance against spin in the last test, I'm surprised Dhoni wants a rank turner.

Posted by Lmaotsetung on (December 1, 2012, 7:23 GMT)

Well...well...well...after what we England fan had to endure this past summer (i.e off the field controversy), I sure am glad the shoe is on the other foot now. Have at it India..lol @ doctored pitch!

Posted by popcorn on (December 1, 2012, 7:21 GMT)

Dear Mr.Prabir Mukherjee,I appreciate your standing up for your profession. Alas, India does not know any other way to win. Poor Dhoni is a useless captain, a lousy batsman, an an ordinary wicket keeper. How else can he keep his job? But the BCCI is blind. Even after agreeing to his negative tactic,India lost at Mumbai. The Curator there, Sudhir Naik, told him to learn how to play cricket first, before asking for rank turners.

Posted by spot_on on (December 1, 2012, 7:21 GMT)

MSD.. the bane of indian cricket. just fire this guy out of the team... can't bat for 3 hours straight in an innings... a pure burden on the team and a psychological disadvantage of the dressing room... tryina be bossy.. damn it!!!

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 7:21 GMT)

Great stand! Dhoni is way out of line asking for doctored pitches. He should be chastised for this one but BCCI has not cared for doing the right thing in the last 5 years at least.

Posted by Harmony111 on (December 1, 2012, 7:20 GMT)

Problem with us Indians, now as it has been historically, has been that we think a bit too much about morals and ethics and other related virtues constantly. There is a time to be this and there is a time to be that, We've never realized this thing. Why should a wicket have excess bounce on day 1 and if that is so then why are tickets sold for 5 days? What happens when matches finish in 4 days or 3 days or even 2 days on fast and bouncy wickets? Where do the morals go then? Through the ozone hole? India's record at home was broken in 2004 when the Vidarbh Association produced a fast wickets to suit the Aussies, the president's enmity with the then BCCI board was the reason, he had asked "As test players you are supposed to play in all conditions". Well, I would like him to stop sending his son to a good school and giving him good food and then expect him to do well in life cos after all, a talented person can rise from any conditions.

Within us we need Unity + Coherence not Discord.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 7:11 GMT)

The only way india can HOPE to win the test match is to seek turners.....but.chances of them being at the receiving end are better......

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 7:10 GMT)

Shame on Dhoni. This is not going to help. Seems he rode his success thanks to Dravid and Laxman and when Harbhajan was bowling well.

Posted by tmoulik on (December 1, 2012, 7:09 GMT)

It is indeed 'immoral` as Mr. Mukherjee says, specially when 4th & 5th days of the third test are on Saturday & Sunday respectively.

Posted by GerrardLK on (December 1, 2012, 7:05 GMT)

How pathetic this Indian Cricket has become. They have nothing to discuss other than spinning tracks. Still they can't produce a win.

Posted by maddy20 on (December 1, 2012, 6:58 GMT)

@Dear Mr.Curator I suggest that you turn on your television and watch the test between Aus and SA. The wicket is incredibly pacy and has steep , tennis ball like bounce. There is also plenty of movement available for seamers. You will also see that by day 2 both sides have completed their innings and SA are batting for the second time. It is highly unlikely that game will go into day 5. But no one questioned Aus Cricket Board why they have sold tickets for day 5. Now if pitches seaming on all 5 days is not immoral , then how can pitches turning from day 1 be immoral. The problem with our folks is that there is no unity among ourselves, which is really deplorable. The loss in Mumbai was because our batsmen were looking to slog their way out of tight spots instead of digging in. If they play to their potential Eng wont have a chance and thats how it should be.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 6:50 GMT)

I think the fame has got to MS Dhoni finally. I knew he would fall prey to his own ambitions sooner or later. I think MSD's shelf life as captain of India is at an end. This next test result will determine not only his future but the futures of a lot of the players including the GOD. I have never witnessed such a foolish episode of stubbornness and arrogance displayed by a captain. I mean, WHY come out in public and even talk about pitches ? It's such a cheap mentality. It looks as if India can ONLY win when the ball turns. Well look what happened in Mumbai ? India got spun out. Somebody should talk to Dhoni and tell him he's crossing the line. If such a mentality continues, India will be humiliated further in the next 2 tests.

Posted by GRVJPR on (December 1, 2012, 6:45 GMT)

Real Problem is MS Dhoni. Just Try and Change captain for once and see what happens!

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 6:45 GMT)

i dont know why this whole thing is turning out as a controversy.if dhoni wants rank turners then y he is talking about this in public.england or aussies never talk like tht in public.

Posted by screamingeagle on (December 1, 2012, 6:45 GMT)

Well, he took leave. BCCI should sack this guy actually. What is his problem? Possibly he wants a greentop or a road. Nuts.

Posted by Gurram on (December 1, 2012, 6:43 GMT)

this article looks ugly in british media. This will definitely influence on going series, I would not wonder if England takes 2-1 lead at Eden Gardens.

Posted by challagalla on (December 1, 2012, 6:42 GMT)

Prabir Mukherjee is right. I have never heard a captain ask so vacally for a turning pitch.While nothing wrong in preparing a pitch to suit your home teams strenghts,this should be done quietly behind the scenes. A word placed in confidence well before the series started is the proper way to go about it. WHY BELITTLE THE GROUNDSMEN , saying I will critisize if the pitch is not to my liking. This shows a total lack of confidence in your own ability and in the groundsman to do his job. Dhoni and BCCI should firstly examine why they lost in Mumbai ?

Posted by ramli on (December 1, 2012, 6:42 GMT)

Oh .. where is the issue ... Dhoni has made a request .. if as curator you don't agree ... stick to your rights ... do as you like ... and be prepared to take criticisms ... why crying?

Posted by Sudeeksh on (December 1, 2012, 6:37 GMT)

Prabir Mukherjee definitely has more knowledge of pitches than Dhoni. Dhoni can learn something form him, he can even learn a thing or two about cricket itself probably. The very fact that Dhoni is asking for rank turners suggests that he does not believe that his bowlers are capable enough to take 20 opposition wickets to win a test match even in India. And if this is the way Dhoni and BCCI want to prepare the youngsters for tours overseas then God help Indian Cricket!!!!

Posted by itisme on (December 1, 2012, 6:35 GMT)

salute the self-respecting man Prabir Mukerjee. this man Dohni is horrible.

Posted by landl47 on (December 1, 2012, 6:34 GMT)

Speaking as an England fan I'd be quite happy to see a turning wicket in Eden Gardens. Swann and Panesar have shown that they can exploit such wickets and England's batsmen are getting more used to them. If there's bounce as well, so much the better.

I enjoy the battle between batsmen and spin bowlers.

Posted by sachislife2310 on (December 1, 2012, 6:34 GMT)

Now Picth curators also started commenting badly on Dhoni!! Dhoni is right to some extent but such askings to design the pitch should be handled privately!! Not in news papers or press meets Mr Dhoni

Posted by sahbas_s on (December 1, 2012, 6:32 GMT)

Dhoni is putting too much emphasis on pitches rather than on his own batting...That's also one of the reason why India lost to england..Win the Toss, bat well and put up good score..Lost the toss, bat well and chast the score..This has been india's strengh for years and wonder why he wants to put blame on the pitches..

Posted by WhoIsSachin_lol on (December 1, 2012, 6:31 GMT)

Indians doing their best to doctor the pitch eh. lol. What else can you expect from them. After getting a hiding in the 2nd match and made to look like a club side (which Indians are), Indians will do their best to win at all cost now. Doesn't matter. Cook, KP and Swan will still show you Indian boys how to play Cricket.

Posted by Joby_George on (December 1, 2012, 6:29 GMT)

Prepare pitches for the seamers, so atleast Dhoni & team can play test cricket to 5th day when they play in aus and eng.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 6:29 GMT)

This is very pathetic from Dhoni.

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 6:28 GMT)

Finally! Someone with the guts to openly say that Dhoni is wrong.

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