India A v England, warm-up match, Mumbai

Yuvraj v Raina for No. 6 spot

Amol Karhadkar

October 29, 2012

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Yuvraj Singh and Suresh Raina warm up, Colombo, August 1, 2010
Only place for one of them in Test XI © AFP
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A warm-up game ahead of a Test series is usually important only for the visiting side. However, when the visiting side - England in this case - is up against a team filled with Test hopefuls like India A, as will be the case at the Cricket Club of India's Brabourne Stadium from Tuesday, there will be as much at stake for the hosts as the visitors.

With India's Test team in a rebuilding phase and at least half-a-dozen fringe batsmen to feature in the three-day game, all of them will be gunning to impress the newly-appointed national selection panel ahead of the first England Test, which starts on November 15.

While the likes of M Vijay and Abhinav Mukund will try to regain their lost spots in the Test side, Ajinkya Rahane and Manoj Tiwary will do their best in order to take a step forward towards their Test debut. However, the two players who will be under the scanner the most will be the left-handed batsmen Suresh Raina and Yuvraj Singh.

Both have long been a key part of India's limited-overs sides and have been vying for the No. 6 slot in the Test batting line-up. While Raina, who returned to the eleven during the two-Test series against New Zealand in August-September, will be looking to seal his spot for the England series with a big knock over the next three days, Yuvraj, who marked his return to first-class with a double century in the Duleep Trophy two weeks ago, will be desperate to complete his comeback bid from cancer by returning to the Test team.

Raina, who will be leading the India A side, talked about his battle within the battles against his senior team-mate. "He (Yuvraj) is my role model. I would love to see him back in whites," Raina said on Monday on the sidelines of India A's gruelling practice session. "I want that (No. 6) spot too. But I'd rather not dwell on who the spot will go to. I just look to enjoy the players' company. Yuvraj has just come back from a big disease and he's also been slogging it out. It's up to the selectors who they want to pick.

"He's a big role model for me and others, but I want to play these four Tests against England. I was there in England and I feel the pain of losing that series 0-4. I want to give some of that pain back."

While Yuvraj preferred to remain silent, Raina was forthcoming on what's gone wrong with his Test batting of late. "It's just the mental aspect. I've given all that I have had to Test cricket," he said. "A lot of people say and write a lot of things, but I know where I stand as far as Test cricket is concerned.

"Batting at No. 6 is not that easy. Very often you get stuck with the tail and have to bat around them. I scored fifties in the West Indies and England and I even batted well against Australia in 2010. I've played 16 or 17 Tests, but as I play more games, I will understand my game better. I've already played 150 ODIs for India and have played several years of IPL. I know what the coach and selectors expect from me and what they need me to do at No 6. I love to play my natural game and I love to hit the ball."

Amol Karhadkar is a correspondent at ESPNcricinfo

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Posted by Al_Bundy1 on (October 31, 2012, 16:56 GMT)

Manoj Tiwary deserves the no. 6 spot. Yuvi might get it due to his all round performance. Raina should NEVER EVER be considered for Test matches. If Shikar Dhawan performs well in upcoming match against England, he should be given a chance in place of Viru or Gauti.

Posted by smbhayi on (October 30, 2012, 19:04 GMT)

Where is Kaif....???

a comment from cricinfo user: " it would be funny, if Rohit Sharma gets selected again in place of Tiwary because Rohit looks so much more elegant :-) .....Selectors have done it in past. Kaif was not retained in the test squad in spite of making best of his chances in the test matches; because, other players looked more elegant than him :-)"....

Posted by raghavan88 on (October 30, 2012, 16:36 GMT)

Yuvraj should play at no.6.He is good player of the cut,pull and hook shots.His only problem in Tests so far has been too many games on the sidelines and his flashiness.

Posted by kitten on (October 30, 2012, 15:56 GMT)

@Rogerunionjack....I don't think Swann was being very polite when he criticised his own team mate KP in his book which came out in the middle of a match. Even Andy Flower wasn't too impressed with that, and said so at the time. Cook, is a gentleman, but I am afraid I can't say the same about Finn, and especially Swann.

Posted by MrRascaL on (October 30, 2012, 14:09 GMT)

Whatever you say, England will be eventual winners. Indian team is really weak, humiliation is on the cards at Home too.

Posted by Rajesh_india_1990 on (October 30, 2012, 13:51 GMT)

@vacant slip your team not even won a single world cup even though they are the one who invented cricket..india won two wc's one in ENGLAND Other in pathetic was your team?please answer if you dare..

Posted by   on (October 30, 2012, 13:42 GMT)

Why do people give out their resume verbally every time they are in the fringes?

Posted by wablo55 on (October 30, 2012, 13:30 GMT)

Given the fact that Tiwary scored 93, and he can bowl, and he can play the short ball, and he hasn't only recently recovered from a life threatening illness - why the hell isn't he being considered? Can we just ditch the idea already that Raina is ever going to be able to play test cricket. It's like hoping that Mitch Johnson will be a chess grand master - ain't gonna happen.I do hope that Yuvi plays again, but for the sake of his own constitution, he shouldn't be rushed back too soon.

Posted by   on (October 30, 2012, 13:13 GMT)

firstly u need to be in the team composition Mr. Raina...u must check ur is worse than even Irfan Pathan..and at domestic level Manoj Tiwari has done exceedingly well with average of more than 59.

Posted by Al_Bundy1 on (October 30, 2012, 11:57 GMT)

Yuvi, Irfan Pathan, and even Vinay Kumar can bat better than Raina. The No. 6 spot should go to Yuvi, Pathan or Tiwary. Raina has been playing for the past 8 years. He should forget about tests and stick to ODI and T20. He might end up retiring before 10dulkar!

Posted by Dilruksh on (October 30, 2012, 11:25 GMT)

1st make sure it dusnt become 8-0

Posted by   on (October 30, 2012, 11:16 GMT)

@vacant slip india is not terrible in all forms of the game is only in ests that they lost abroad,they won t20 championship in south africa,cb series in is only recently that they are out of form

Posted by   on (October 30, 2012, 10:58 GMT)

How long are Rainas, yuvrajs rohits get a chance before Manoj is given a shot at that spot.....time for selectors to show some vision

Posted by Nightwing32 on (October 30, 2012, 10:41 GMT)

Well best of luck to both. I like Raina, I think the Indian fans give him too much stick but then Australian fans gave Haddin too much stick. I would rather Sehwag not opening but there you go.

Posted by rahulcricket007 on (October 30, 2012, 10:13 GMT)

as i said yesterday that a half fit yuvi is three times better than raina . i m glad that raina didn't disappoint me . he made only 20 runs , yuvi made 60runs . so doubt is clear . yuvi deserves to be at no . 6 . by the way ABHINAV MUKUND MADE 73 RUNS BUT HE WILL NOT GET A SPOT FOR OPENING AS OUR SELCTORS DOESN'T HAVE COURAGE TO DROP EITHER GAMBHIR OR SEHWAG .

Posted by rahulcricket007 on (October 30, 2012, 10:09 GMT)


Posted by A_Vacant_Slip on (October 30, 2012, 9:23 GMT)

@ashankar on (October 29 2012, 11:34 AM GMT) Did you really write "(India...) We dont have to prove to the world that we can win abroad but you have to" :( That's incredible. When exactly did India win a Test series in South Africa or in Australia? India follower seem to be incredibly imaginative. India are terrible abroad in all format whole world know it. India may win the odd test here and there away from their home - but so do New Zealand, Sri Lanka and Pakistan. Drawing a series is NOT winning series. England see draw in Sri Lanka 1-1 and draw 1-1 in South Africa as a failure. India see draw in South Africa 1-1 as some kind of tremendous success. Winning one test in a lost series is NOT winning a series. India need to remember that when they lose a series 3-1 that "1" does not mean they have won the series.

Posted by stFleming on (October 30, 2012, 9:21 GMT)

@ Gabby Dhillon....Mate u r 100% correct...Truly Indian players are over confident especially that Typical Raina...He doesn't even have a proper technique and he is saying that he want to give back against England...Graeme Swann terrorised him badly in England...He is here again and lets hope he crushes him again now...

Posted by   on (October 30, 2012, 8:53 GMT)

it is better to do first rather than talk first Mr. Raina, anyway indian team needs to find 11 players for the test side first......that will be there main task

Posted by calidfern on (October 30, 2012, 8:45 GMT)

Plzzz play your game, that's all you can do at the moment & india is not the best team in test cricket. play with raina if he fails go with Yuvi. whats the big deal ? anyway you cannot assure these two players can win a test match ...

Posted by   on (October 30, 2012, 7:40 GMT)

right now Indian players are overconfident like anything......instead of making such nonsensical statements, players like harbhajan, raina must concentrate on their game......At the present moment, India is not a very strong test side, so its better for players to practice hard rather then making such statements

Posted by MAK123 on (October 30, 2012, 7:29 GMT)

Let Raina play the first test and see what he does. If he fails, Yuvraj is there to fill the spot; if he does well, he should continue

Posted by   on (October 30, 2012, 6:50 GMT)

How come raina is leading the side??? what great he has done for test cricket?? This indirectly means he is a automatic selection for all 4 tests,, thanks to MSD,,,,He cant even survive for more than 50 balls,,

Posted by   on (October 30, 2012, 6:43 GMT)

yea agreed raina is not the best when it comes to playing short deliveries.But the england Batsmen have been bunnies for a long time.Think abt it India has one of the weakest bowling attack yet England(In India) has not won more series than India(in England).So England also has a Point to prove Like Raina.Only Time will tell.Suddenly Raina Has a huge mouth,He may not be a pure Gentleman like the England players who throw Jelly beans :)....

Posted by pitch_curator on (October 30, 2012, 6:29 GMT)

@ Amir Corleone -- Absolutely. By the way I forgot, how many test matches did Bangladesh win and draw in their matches against top 8 sides (not in one tour but for their entire career)... can you provide the data..

Posted by RamShankarS on (October 30, 2012, 6:12 GMT)

A good team need performers, not talkers. Sehwag or Gambhir, Mukund or Rahane (right-left combo), Pujara, Sachin, Kohli, Badri or Yuvi, Dhoni, Ashwin, Zaheer, Irfan, Umesh

Posted by   on (October 30, 2012, 5:15 GMT)

Raina should bat at 4 or 3 to make him feel that he is an attacking batter. If he fails he should play only in shorter form of the game. Please do not forget the number of runs he saves in the field and smart catches he takes, the run outs he make from no where. Raina is an asset and every bowler likes in the field. Yuvi had slowed down a bit but he may be still good. Bowlers fear both batters. I suggest that Tendulkar should bat at 6 to give confidence to other batters and until he retires.

Posted by   on (October 30, 2012, 4:16 GMT)

Looks like Badrinath could be given the cold shoulder again!Horrific to see a player sidelined for 4 years now(Excluding away trips to u.k, Aus),barring his 2 games(Fifty on debut!) against SA n Feb 2010. BADRINATH, THE SELECTORS BACK THEN N OCT. 2008,reckoned he was good enough in the fabled Mid order with names like Dravid/lakshman/sachin/Ganguly...AND NOW WITH ONLY ONE OF THEM remaining,still he goes thru this..He ought to be given a Long rope .Fair call one supposes!

Posted by   on (October 30, 2012, 3:46 GMT)

Raina and Yuvraj should not play Tests. Bad FC records, just look at how they get more fidgety when they don't score for a few balls and stroll around the pitch more quickly. Esp Yuvraj keeps on fencing about outside off stump and neither are good against quality pace.

Posted by   on (October 29, 2012, 23:44 GMT)

plzzz dont put raina in the test team i would give badrinath a chance or even saha i thought saha played pretty well in australia

Posted by vxttemp on (October 29, 2012, 22:24 GMT)

I do not understand the sentiment of many people here saying, youngsters need to be given a chance in Indian conditions. Sachin did started in Pakistan against the then pakistan greats but he never played in sub-continent for a long time early in his career. Even Draid/Saurav/Sehwag didn't debut in Sub continent conditions. Not sure about Laxman though. See how great they are. But apart from that most of the other guys who debuted in India couldn't succeed at all. Even Vinod Kambli's record is poor outside sub-contient.

Posted by Raj12345 on (October 29, 2012, 22:07 GMT)

This is paid news - Yuvraj v Raina for No. 6 spot

Posted by Raj12345 on (October 29, 2012, 22:02 GMT)

This is too much from Raina. Both Raina & Yuvi not deserved in test. But they assume this one and spoiling test cricket. If they get selected then they score 100 in dead rubber pitches and fail in abroad. Raina remember you have not produced 0-4 in Eng, you have done more damage 8-0 away and failed in India too. Too much asking for No:6 spot. This is definitely put pressure on people like Rahane & Tiwary. Rahane should be given chance in middle order and not in top level.

Posted by   on (October 29, 2012, 21:05 GMT)

in england, india won nothing. Not even an odi. Being the wc champions, it is such a shame to lose in that manner. Even bangladesh would have drawn a test match. Lol

Posted by AnoMaLy on (October 29, 2012, 20:48 GMT)

I wouldn't pick either they are just not test cricket material. Maybe bring in Unmukt throw him in deep water whats the worst that can happen

Posted by   on (October 29, 2012, 20:20 GMT)

Good sentiments from Raina. Dravid, Laxman have retired. Tendulkar is probably old now. Sehwag is unfit 60-70% of times. Gambir is out of form. India cricket has changed dramatically in one year. Top order seems very weak with (almost always) unfit Sehwag :-) The middle order seems non-existent for now. ......The hope rests on newcomers like Kohli, Pujara, Yuvraj, Raina, Tiwari, Rahane and Mukund. I hope they use the home series well and are able to establish themselves as reliable test batsmen. ......As for bowling, England does have a GREAT spinner in Swann and a good one in Panesar. .....Current Indian spinners are very good, but, not great like Warney or Murali. ......To be called a real #1, England will need to beat the Asian teams on their home turf on a spinning track. ......Just as India needed to beat England in England is seaming conditions to stay #1. ....However, I don't think Indian curators will prepare real spinning tacks.

Posted by StatisticsRocks on (October 29, 2012, 20:19 GMT)

I guess less talking and more focus on performance is the need of the hour. S hu t Up and let the bat do the talking especially after the 8-0 drubbing.

Posted by Nampally on (October 29, 2012, 19:43 GMT)

itsthewayuplay: I don't think we have any Indian seamers bowling at 120 KPH in Inter National matches. I was surprised to see Agarkar hitting 135 KPH consistently with few in 140 KPH range in CLT 20. Both Balaji, ZAK as well as Irfan pathan were over 130 KPH with ZAK quicker of the 3 at 138 KPH. Yadev was in 135 - 145 KPH. It is not just the speed but the length,direction & seaming that matter. England Pace bowlers are are all 135 to 140 KPH but have better control & swing. So let us not berate the pace of Indian seamers. Yadev & Aaron right now are equal to or faster than England seamers.Indian batting is strong but rather reckless. Sachin has been getting bowled because he is playing his half front foot wristy turns to leg and missing the timing. He will bounce back. I wonder, Sehwag & Gambhir will! But in Pujara & Kohli India has potential greats at the start of their reign. India definitely need to develop spinners - deficient department.With good discipline India will be #1 again!

Posted by   on (October 29, 2012, 19:43 GMT)

seems funny when player Like Raina says like this who himself hasn't established well in test he must take care of his own performance than making statements like this.. and its always weird to watch a Test match with that T-20 players playing unorthodox shots :)so better for selection team to find good cricketers than one match wonders

Posted by sirviv on (October 29, 2012, 19:35 GMT)

raina is a chatterbox. He should look at Kohli and try to improve his game, not his trash talk

Posted by JG2704 on (October 29, 2012, 19:24 GMT)

"I want to give some of that pain back" - He's talking like he's some sort of boxer/fighter. I don't know , I'm not a big fan of the way Kohli and now Raina are talking. Still I suppose Raina did actually take place in the series in England unlike Kohli so he can draw on experiences

Posted by kirankerai on (October 29, 2012, 18:40 GMT)

the history will show this clash of the titan the start of the great era of the power 4 in cricket.

Posted by yezdi70 on (October 29, 2012, 18:27 GMT)

The only people talking about revenge are the forum users. Nowhere in the article I can see the word revenge. So leave Raina alone. Yes he talked about the pain of losing and there is nothing wrong in that. If after losing you dont feel pain then you are not supposed to play the game. Therefore he wants to make amends by winning after the team lost 8 games in a row. Whats wrong with that?

Posted by AlpsRock on (October 29, 2012, 18:25 GMT)

I just don't get this team selection theory. 1. Why Dhoni is a TEST captain, even why T20I (not IPL) - Look at his average overall or match winning ability? Horrible - isn't it? 2. Raina - Don't know who is this guy and what is he talking about TEST cricket. He should Thanks Dhoni (to him he sucked or undertable deal) and staying in team. He is in ODI team is fine (go compare him with Virat no of ODI matches played). 3. Lets Sachin play and MUST retire after this season. 4.Gambhir, stop talking with word and lets your bat talk. 5. UMESH must be preseved / taken care, also Awana / Ishant. Forget the Vinay Kumar (so called fast spinner - jacked up by Kumble). well enough said - lets get some young guns come forward i.e. Rahane, Kohi, Pujara, Harmit (drop Ashwin for a change to he won't take his place for granted), U Chand etc...give this young guns a fair chance. 5. In india - we DON'T drop captains, do they? well like in Australia / England they do ...see Ricky (Punter) is gone -

Posted by noboundaries on (October 29, 2012, 18:23 GMT)

Agree with Al-Bundy, Raina should not even come into any test match reckoning. Tendulkar should hang up his boots, his reflexes have gone even before last England tour. If Shewag still has the attitude of hitting a 4 of the first ball on a test match, then his days should be numbered. Current crop of young batsmen only play well in INDIAN PITCHES, we need at least one opener to be able play in any pitches. can Badrinath play in that role?

Posted by BoseDeeKay on (October 29, 2012, 17:52 GMT)

Dunno what the Indian players are talking about here when they talk about avenging or revenge. The Indian team was lethargic and were beaten fair and square by the English. The Indian team needs to spend more time in the gym and the ground rather than spending time with the media to make outrageous and controversial statements. Indian Team: Let your cricketng skills do the talking!

Posted by WC2011Champs on (October 29, 2012, 17:48 GMT)

Since this is Raina topic thought I would put things in perspective. Before Kohli overtook Raina in last year to two, Raina was the most consistent batsman in the subcontinent for about two years. Ask Srilankans who would fret over his name before WC2011. You can not take credit away from him just because someone better came along. He still is highly consistent (clicks 7 out of 10 innings in the subcontinent) and it is absolutely unfair when people club him with Rohit Sharma (1 worthy innings out of 10). Had he played at number 4 in T20 WC India would truly have had a shot at winning. He is free flowing batsman in shorter format. Having said that he would find it hard to overcome his shortcomings - the short balls and the foreign tours. Temperament and habit-wise both him and Gambhir get out of the line to play their shots and test cricket does not provide that luxury. Whereas Kohli has managed to keep proper cricketing shots across formats. Wise man!

Posted by Cpt.Meanster on (October 29, 2012, 17:43 GMT)

@Sriram Vasudevan: As a 'realistic' Indian fan, I cannot see our team beat England 4-0 in the upcoming test series. Perhaps the ODI or T20s, YES ! we are much better in limited overs cricket. But still, respect should be given to the opposition from day one. Some of the things spoken by our young players is just not right. If India are good enough to beat England, so be it. Why come out in front of the cameras, the public etc and mouth off such words ? Even if India do win 4-0 or by how much ever margin, how does that help Indian cricket DEVELOP ? It does NOTHING. Perhaps, it would give our players some confidence against the Aussies in the next series. But overall, does it really define India's standards in test cricket ? Come on guys, I am not even a test cricket supporter, and I can see how poor the current Indian test team is. India - the test team VS. India - the limited Overs Team; Give me the limited overs team ANY DAY.

Posted by itsthewayuplay on (October 29, 2012, 17:32 GMT)

Cont'd my suggestion is to forget this talk of revenge and focus on building a decent team such as having openers who understand that their role is see off the shine of the new ball, a middle order that can consistently make runs first of all at home then overseas, finding and looking after pace bowlers so that they don't debut bowling 140 and and a season later are down to 120 eg Munaf, Balaji. Encourage the development of mystery spinners or champion bowlers like Kumble. When players are picked, make sure they given a decent run in the team in a settled position and all players must be selected on current form and fitness not what they may have done 2,3 years before, Have selectors actually turn up at domestic games to watch potential future international players.

Posted by SamRoy on (October 29, 2012, 17:29 GMT)

Neither should play test cricket for India ever again. One averages 28 after 17 test and the other averages less than 35 after 37 tests with very poor records outside the sub-continent for both!

Posted by   on (October 29, 2012, 17:19 GMT)

As a cricket lover,I would like to see Yuvi playing at no. 6 instead of Raina. But that doesn't mean I'm ruling out Raina. He is the future of Indian cricket. -SL fan-

Posted by Rahulbose on (October 29, 2012, 17:17 GMT)

Comparisions between Raina and Yuvraj are silly, if fit Yuvraj obviously is the first choice. Like Dravid said during the Eng tour, there are batsmen and then there are ball strikers. Raina should stick to what he is good at, 40-50 run ball striking cameo's in Tamasha 20 cricket.

Posted by CaptainKool on (October 29, 2012, 17:05 GMT)

Keep Raina and Yuvi for ODIs and T20s. Get Badrinath or Rahane in the team.

Posted by Cpt.Meanster on (October 29, 2012, 17:04 GMT)

My advice to Raina is just be quiet and go about your business. If it's all about revenge and payback, then so be it. But why come out to the press and talk about it ? Even if the interviewer asks any question along those lines, it's better to avoid it and say some positive about what Indian fans can expect from this test team over the next 2 months. Instead we get stuff about revenge, vendetta etc. I don't see how it could be a revenge. England played well to beat us 4-0. This is sports for God sakes and not some crime operation. The entire Indian team management should stay focused and try to play well instead of a war with words. Raina of all people should be the first to be mute, he's not even suitable to test cricket. I personally don't want Raina in the starting XI come November 15.

Posted by itsthewayuplay on (October 29, 2012, 17:01 GMT)

Not sure what there is to avenge. Indians were unfit, out of form, and unprofessional. Selectors and some players thought they would turn up eg Sachin missed the WI tour immediately prior ro the Eng tour, Sehwag was recalled after an operation and promptly bagged a pair. Zaheer declared himself fit and broke during on the 1st day of the series and was replaced by a bowler recalled from the beaches of Miami not having played competitive cricket for months. Laxman had a rare poor series, Raina and Yuvraj were found wanting against the short ball, our spinner Mishra couldn't take a wicket with the ball but looked most comfortable with the bat after Dravid. Only Praveen bowled his heart out and if he had a bit of extra pace may have been rewarded with the wickets he deserved. Most disappointing was Tendulkar who was unconvincing throughout refused and refused to bat at 3 when Dravid was forced to open and sent VVS ahead of him when he was better equipped for that position.

Posted by Al_Bundy1 on (October 29, 2012, 16:50 GMT)

We have a lot of walking wickets - easily clean bowled 10dulkar, caught at 3rd man Sehwag, poker Gambhir and Swann's bunny Raina. If we play all these 4 flat track bullies, we are going to lose. We should drop Sehwag, and play in-form batsman Dhawan or Rahane. On current form Kohli is much better than 10dulkar. Give Kohli the no. 4 spot, and give 10dulkar a spot in the commentator's box. Raina should not be allowed to even get close to a TEST match stadium. He can keep playing ODI and T20. Yuvi deserves another chance.

Posted by perl57 on (October 29, 2012, 16:48 GMT)

On fast pacy bouncy pitches where even Irfan Pathan can bowl head high bouncers,any bowler would excel. I dare Anderson, Broad and Finn to get 60% of the wickets, if not 80%. I strongly feel we should give Gauti and Veeru a break but this should have been done before this high profile series. But, now again an uncertainity. I hope out of hope Viru provides that Gilly kind of start and Gauti sustains it for 2 days.

Posted by   on (October 29, 2012, 16:46 GMT)

I wud lik to see badrinath to b given a chance, he s a proven perfrmer in whites... n hav d temperament n techniq to play overseas too...

Posted by   on (October 29, 2012, 16:39 GMT)

India will still be called tigers at home and minnows abroad with a 4-0 victory, but it would say the same about England. With all that has been said after the disastrous tours to Australia and England, that is worth playing for. Go India!

Posted by   on (October 29, 2012, 16:37 GMT)

@nkoch if it happens does NOT it prove the same for england batsmen?

Posted by sachinisawesome on (October 29, 2012, 16:33 GMT)

I will never understand why everybody is bragging about their team. I mean apart from west ind in 70s and 80s, and Aus in 90s and SA now to an extent can say that they are the toughest teams to beat in any conditions. England is gud in their backyard and India is gud in Sub continent. So hw can we refer Eng as a better team or vice versa. Please use brains and support u r team rather than bashing the other teams. Its players who will play in the ground anyway we can do nothing but criticize or support them. Indian Fan...Peace

Posted by GRVJPR on (October 29, 2012, 16:22 GMT)

@satish619Chandar I think we are jumping the gun too early. Even our best technical batsmen "Dravid" averaged 26 in South Africa. The average of dravid is boosted because his first tout to SA was very good, else he is averaging mere 15.00 in next 4 tours to SA. So putting all things against Raina is unfair. And anyway, even if we put 5 dravids in SA in 2013 we will still be 80/5 (bcoz of pitches that are served to is in SA). Rather than finding faults in Batsmen we need to find really good quick bowlers so that we also get flat wickets in South Africa like Australia used to get becoz of their bowling attack. Between last time australia was also bowled out for 46 in south africa against good pace. So Raina is not the only one. He hasn't played that many tests as well and plays with tail enders most of the time.

Posted by Naresh28 on (October 29, 2012, 16:04 GMT)

India could quite easily have two teams or two players per slot. There is so much batting talent. For example between Vijay, Mukund, Dhawan,Rahane and Chand - for two openers slots.Pujara and Rahane could compete for no3 slot. Kohli and Sachin for No4 slot. Dhoni, Karthik and Saha for the wicketkeeper slot. Bist, Badrinath,Rayudu for another. Tiwari, Raina, Yuvi for next. India could quite easily have a pool of 32 players - two teams. With bowling its difficult but not impossible.

Posted by Varunlovescricket on (October 29, 2012, 16:03 GMT)

Well.. What worked for Wade might not necessarily work for Raina! Wade was a strong contender and he just perfectly registered his case through an interview talking his feelings and that looked quite natural. This is absolute desperation. I am a CSK fan and i love Raina don't get me wrong but with his not so strong technique + heavy competition i don't feel he deserves a call ahead of an untested, hungry Yuvraj coming back from cancer with a double century under his belt. May be India should follow a 12 man squad for every test like CA?(im not a genius).

Posted by   on (October 29, 2012, 15:58 GMT)


Posted by   on (October 29, 2012, 15:45 GMT)

Rahane, Gambhir, Pujara, Tendulkar, Kohli, Yuvraj, Dhoni, Ashwin, Ojha, Umesh Yadav and Zaheer Khan. My side for the first test match.

Posted by kunal_07 on (October 29, 2012, 15:40 GMT)

india will take their revenge as we all know that yuvi is back in form as he has as scored a double century in cricket. But only concern is our world time best opener Gambhir and Sehwag is out of form. if they play brilliantly then i think England has to forfeit and go back to Cricket. It will be fun when Ifran Pathan plays for the test and Agit Agarkar should be given chance and he have our Zaheer Khan. I hope Virat kholi continues his form as he use to do.

Posted by Full-Blooded-Wallop on (October 29, 2012, 15:39 GMT)

@nkoch: No, a 4-0 defeat will prove that Eng are tigers at home and minnows in testing conditions abroad!

Posted by   on (October 29, 2012, 15:38 GMT)

It is not only Indians who excel in home conditions. It holds good for all teams. Once in a while teams lose in home conditions too but they are never thrashed at home. I dare all the cricket experts who have commented here to cite one example where a home team got thrashed by a visiting team.

Posted by   on (October 29, 2012, 15:35 GMT)

I would like to see Ashwin growing as an all rounder...And considering that Sachin is too old to play at this level my pick for the Indian Playing XI will be

Gambhir Rahane Pujara Kohli Shewag Ashwin Dhoni Harbhajan Ojha Zaheer/ Dinda/ Umesh/ Awana Ishant

I know this is not gonna happen.. But I wish MSD was brave to do this

Posted by   on (October 29, 2012, 14:57 GMT)

idol team for first test match; sehwag,gambhir,pujara,sachin,virat,dhoni,ashwin,amit mishra,harbhajan singh,umesh yadav and jaheer khan

Posted by Nampally on (October 29, 2012, 14:40 GMT)

There are many potential contenders for the #6 spot. But responsible openers are more critical for India to succeed. I expect Sehwag & Gambhir will be given one more chance at the top. It will be the final chance for these 2 to show up or permanently phased out. Kohli & Pujara batting @#3 & 5, really need a good opening stand to build upon it & help India towards 400 total. Tendulkar will also be playing in his final year & may be left at his favourite #4 spot. Whether he scores or not is anybody's guess. But Sehwag, Tendulkar & Gambhir as senior members need to shoulder their responsibility. Their apologies for failures will not be accepted & will result in finishing their careers. As for the #6 spot Raina & Yuvraj are the best contenders, with yuvraj getting the nod. India may go with Ojha & Yuvraj to support Ashwin. That leaves Pathan/ZAK & Yadev as the seamers. Will Selectors choose dropping Sehwag or Gambhir to make room for 3rd seamer & use Pujara to open.That's a Winning Move!

Posted by Collegefastbowler on (October 29, 2012, 14:31 GMT)

nkoch - To answer your question - would it not also prove that the English are tigers in their own den and minnows in testing conditions abroad in India? Why do you think that India should play well on green pitches but the English need not play well on turning ones and that somehow India is to blame for preparing turning pitches that resulted in an English defeat? Win or lose, India should take the blame always?

Posted by nkoch on (October 29, 2012, 14:02 GMT)

and what would a 4-0 defeat prove? Just that Indians are tigers in their own den and minnows in testing conditions abroad. No one except Sachin and maybe Kohli can perform in all conditions and formats. Raina and Yuvraj do not belong to Test cricket. Get them out of their misery and get some fresh blood in. Kohli, Pujara are there to stay. Raina, yuvraj, Rohit out.

Posted by   on (October 29, 2012, 13:59 GMT)

@Baundele - There is some truth in what ever you blogged!

Posted by couchpundit on (October 29, 2012, 13:57 GMT)

@Al_Bundy1 - Greame Swann has a possibility of claiming Raina's wicket...but note before giving a ton of runs. Few bouncers will work well on raina for sure.

However Raina is not Test Class. I doubt if he will be selected over Yuvaraj....half fit yuvaraj is 4 times better than fit raina.

Posted by shillingsworth on (October 29, 2012, 13:51 GMT)

@Sri.Smiles - Your statement that Indian journalists and broadcasters rarely criticise English cricketers is absurd. If the cricketers turn up in India and play the way they have in recent years, the Indian media wouldn't be doing their job if they refrained from criticising them. Your argument that remarks about Indian players from the English media are motivated by dislike of the BCCI is utterly ludicrous. As you rightly say, India's recent away record has been poor. Any journalist or broadcaster is bound to report this, regardless of their nationality. What you term 'baised reporting' is in reality legitimate comment. If Raina's perception of this has led to him taking an 'extreme position' as you allege, he needs reminding that his job is to play cricket.

Posted by azhar44 on (October 29, 2012, 13:49 GMT)

badrinath should be given chance as both raina and yuvi are not made for test cricket nd always failed in overseas

Posted by inswing on (October 29, 2012, 13:44 GMT)

Raina is a good batsman in Indian conditions. But he has performed poorly outside India. The no 6 spot should go to Rohit Sharma. The guy hasn't played _a single test_ so far! Let him play 10 or so tests in India and outside, and see how he holds up. My guess is he will do pretty well, but you will never know if you never let him play. Somebody of his talent being used as a pinch hitter in ODIs and T20s is a waste. BTW, Gambhir needs to be dropped and Mukund or Rahane given a chance at opening.

Posted by screamingeagle on (October 29, 2012, 13:41 GMT)

@Rogerunionjack, learn about being polite from the guys you mention? Right. Tell us another story.

Posted by ukd204 on (October 29, 2012, 13:35 GMT)

Neither Yuvi nor Raina... We need Rahane/Tiwari,who can play bouncers..Rahane will be too good...

Posted by InnocentGuy on (October 29, 2012, 13:33 GMT)

I feel Raina has got the right attitude for Test cricket but not the right temperament. Then again, you can't develop that temperament without playing a few Test matches and failing. This England series is the best opportunity for Raina, not only for him to prove that he belongs, but also for the rest of us to really gauge his Test-worthiness.

Posted by   on (October 29, 2012, 13:30 GMT)


Posted by PrasPunter on (October 29, 2012, 13:23 GMT)

Eng is a much better team than india atleast for the reason that in the last 10 years or so, they have won test series in SL(2-1), SA (2-1) and Aus(3-1). They even levelled the series 1-1 in 2006 under Freddie. Facts !!!

Posted by sandeepgla on (October 29, 2012, 13:18 GMT)

Mohd. Kaif should be given chance to bat no-6 as Kumble said he can play for 4-5 years and also has a good technique for bouncy bowl.

Posted by wolf777 on (October 29, 2012, 13:17 GMT)

I don't understand fetish with the having six batsmen in the playing eleven. Most of the time it a wasted position. Look at scores in England and Australia. India failed miserably to put up a decent total despite having six specialist batsmen. On the contrary, the lack of bowling option and tiring bowlers let advantage slipped away after striking early blow. What India need is an allrounder in that position instead of sixth specialist batsman. The best person to fill that position is Irfan Pathan as an allrounder play. With respect to Suresh Raina, his inability to play short ball makes him a liability in Test team.

Posted by PrasPunter on (October 29, 2012, 13:12 GMT)

@ashankar, You know the meaning of giving back ? we lost to SA 1-2 back in 2008 at home, but beat them 2-1 in SA. That's exactly what i would call as giving back. To repeat, and I would do that hell a lot of times, preparing, infact desperately insisting to have rank-turners to win matches means nothing. Prove yourselves in the toughest of the conditions to claim to be one among the best. And the last time i checked, we won 2-1 in 2004 in india. Though we lost in 2008 and 2010, we had at-least put up some fight unlike your team that really got tanked and hammered last year in Aus.

Posted by Fast_Track_Bully on (October 29, 2012, 13:06 GMT)

@GerrardLK. Your team do not have that guts, dude. It will be the repeat of your last ODI series. Prepare for that.

Posted by mcsdl on (October 29, 2012, 12:59 GMT)

India will get humiliated again as they always do...! Saying that I think England is an ordinary side, and ofcourse India is even worse... South Africa, Sri Lanka, Austalia and even Pakistan can hammer these 2 weak but overrated teams...!

Posted by   on (October 29, 2012, 12:57 GMT)

will espn broadcast this match tomorrow?

Posted by AMAZINGFAN on (October 29, 2012, 12:52 GMT)


Posted by satish619chandar on (October 29, 2012, 12:48 GMT)

@GRVJPR : Thanks for your concern bud. But as of now, Raina doesn't deserve place in test team on merit. If he proves me wrong, i would proudly swallow my words. We did bend for Yuvi too long before putting him on hold. I dont want it to happen to Raina. Let Raina concentrate on the best which comes to him naturally in LOIs. Let the guys like Rahane, Tiwary who moulded their games on slow batting in tests play in those format. Why should we convert a Raina into test prospect at the expense of a Rahane or a Tiwary?

Posted by serious-am-i on (October 29, 2012, 12:48 GMT)

@GerrardLK: Really my friend ? First stop your team from losing the series in India, when was the last time you won a series in India ? Sorry, I wasn't even born by than probably, lol !!!

Posted by   on (October 29, 2012, 12:42 GMT)

Raina is always desperate to be a part of test team but he is not worth it,no matter how desperate he is,his suitability is a question mark over tests temperament He would scarcely score on indian pitches but cant sustain on seaming/swinging pitches My vote Goes to either Badrinath or Ryadu or Yuvraj

Posted by harry_koolest on (October 29, 2012, 12:38 GMT)


Posted by   on (October 29, 2012, 12:35 GMT)

Tiwary and Rahane certainly deserve an opportunity to show what they can do. We have seen Yuvraj and Raina's contributions many many many times and they are not up to scratch. You only need to look at their FC averages to see this.

If the selectors persist on picking players who have failed and or have had plenty of opportunity to show their worth the team will never move forward. There are so many young Indian batsman who average 50+ in FC cricket, its about time they were given the chance to show they can do it at Test level!

Posted by nitintin1987 on (October 29, 2012, 12:31 GMT)

@GerrardLk.....u also jus pray dat we don repeat the 5-0 thrashing we did 2 u twice on ur tour before.. ;)

Posted by bigwonder on (October 29, 2012, 12:27 GMT)

Raina, I would let the bat do the talking.

Posted by yorkshirematt on (October 29, 2012, 12:09 GMT)

@chapathishot Indeed England have done nothing in India for a long time, and India won in England in 2007. So why, then, must the Indian players and fans feel as though they need to prove something and get England back, just because of one poor series?

Posted by   on (October 29, 2012, 12:06 GMT)

I was surprised to see this discussion!!

Yuvi should be picked for that No.6 position with a double century behind him.

If selectors are concerned about his fitness then they should go for a new face (Rahane, Dhawan or Manoj).

Raina should be treated as a limited over specialist and he should prove his consistency in One-Day games. No place for him in Test side.

Posted by   on (October 29, 2012, 11:57 GMT)

@Edassery and @Pras_punter....Are u guys actually defending englands defeat already?? LMAO!! Love the support n confidence u english fans show towards ur team!! ROFL!!

Posted by himohan007 on (October 29, 2012, 11:56 GMT)

@Pras_Punter: Atleast we prepare wickets to suit our strength. Unlike the cry baby ECB trying to prepare wickets to nullify the opponents strength which in turn backfired. Dont u remember ENG vs SA first test record defeat. Stop taking trash about others

Posted by yorkerguru on (October 29, 2012, 11:52 GMT)

My preferred 15 for this home series would be:

1) M.S Dhoni (Capt) 2) Vijay 3) Dhawan 4) Pujara 5) SRT 6) Sehwag 7) Yuvraj 8) Ashwin 9) Ojha 10)ZAK 11)Umesh Yadav 12)Virat Kohli 13) Ishant Sharma 14) Suresh Raina 15) Irfan Pathan - Yuvi or Virat is a good spot for number 6 and Veeru should bat in middle order- He deserves that place because he wanted to bat their for a long time! (P.N) Selected Vijay and Dhawan based on the recent domestic performances (Not lookng into CLT20 records)

Posted by u.t.k.a.l on (October 29, 2012, 11:52 GMT)

My Test 11:- 1. Gambhir 2.Rahane 3.Pujara 4.Sachin 5.Kohli 6.Sehwag 7.Dhoni 8.Pathan/Harbhajan 9.Aswin 10.Ojha 11.Umesh/Ishant

Mixture of young & Experience. Kohli should be allowed to roll his arms for few overs.

Posted by phunny_game on (October 29, 2012, 11:50 GMT)

It will be payback indeed, and it has got nothing to do with the pitches... why so much fuss about the wickets... did england give india turning tracks at home??? The tracks are prepared according to the home team's strength... And there's nothing to cry foul about... Its fair. Why didnt the english media write so much when england played pakistan in the middle east... They didn't provide green tops either...

Posted by chapathishot on (October 29, 2012, 11:46 GMT)

All those who say that giving back to England in India wont matter .India have given back to England in England than England given back in India .India have won test matches ,test series and one international series and multinational tournaments in England .England has not done any thing worthwhile in India in the past two or three decades other than one ODI series win

Posted by Al_Bundy1 on (October 29, 2012, 11:45 GMT)

Raina does NOT belong in test cricket. He's a limited over specialist. The only role Raina should be allowed in a Test match is as a substitute fielder. Broad and Finn will soften him up with some chin music, and Graeme will claim his wicket.

Posted by GerrardLK on (October 29, 2012, 11:42 GMT)

Not even in your dreams Mr. Suresh Raina. Just pray the 4-0 embarrassing defeat does not repeat to you guys this time at home.

Posted by MohammedWasi on (October 29, 2012, 11:35 GMT)

Thats the spirit raina...Well, others who want him to learn how to play bouncers..@Edassery tell other teams to play well against spin...We Indians may not be good with bouncers but ask other teams to prove themselves by playing well against asian spinners....England n Aus also beat us in their backyard, we didnt lose to them on the moon...Its our time now....Its just that everyone is jealous of indian team's glamour, talent and richness...I m with kohli's statements, absolute missiles.. Cheerz team India..!!

Posted by ashankar on (October 29, 2012, 11:34 GMT)

@ Pras_Punter Firstly we have done that to Eng in Eng previously but unfortuately for you guys you have not won anything here for almost 3 decades. It will be better if you guys win the series here and celebrate like you did in Aus. We dont have to prove to the world that we can win abroad but you have to :(

Posted by Baundele on (October 29, 2012, 11:31 GMT)

The media impression is England has no chance in this series. But the reality may be quite different. The fact is, Indian batting line up is in disarray at the moment. Sehwag, Gambhir, Tendulkar are in out of form; Bhajji is getting old, Zahir is no more a consistent bowler and Dhoni seems pretty tired. England will field a different side for test matches than the kids showed up in the WCT20. I want a 4-0 whitewash in India's favor; but I won't be surprised even if they lose the series.

Posted by   on (October 29, 2012, 11:31 GMT)

@Pras_Punter:Apart from last 2 series of eng and india, India did win in nz, srilanka 2007 england. Its not like we just talk. We do and We talk. Even england prepared their friendly wicket.

Posted by spinkingKK on (October 29, 2012, 11:22 GMT)

Raina has got it in him. I was saying that about Kohli. I have no hesitation in saying that about Raina. I really haven't seen Raina struggling that much. You can't go out and score half centuries every knock. It only takes one bad decision from the umpire or one peach of a delivery from a bowler or one bad run by the partner to end a good innings. When it happens in a bad series for the team, it is easy for everybody to write off a budding young talent. Even, Rohit Sharma is not all that bad in tests. I think the test matches will suit him better. He makes more mistakes when forced to increase the strike rate.

Posted by ashankar on (October 29, 2012, 11:21 GMT)

@Edassery Why so? Has England given back in our conditions or what?

Posted by Cricketfan11111 on (October 29, 2012, 11:20 GMT)

No 6 spot should go to Badrinath. Yuvi had his chances and failed. Raina is limited over specialist.

Posted by CricketMaan on (October 29, 2012, 11:19 GMT)

@rahulcricket007 - Raina is not the first or will be the last to have had problems with short pitched dleiveries, history suggests Steven Waugh had issues, recently Phil Hughes has it and so has many other international players even today. Until we see the others including Tiwary, Rayudu, Rahane agianst short pitch we will assume they will do well ahead of Raina. He has encountered spin well in short formats. His problem is mental like most other struggling players. Even the English and sturggle against quality spin. If he sorts his temperment in long formats he will succeed.

Posted by Pacelikefire_Samrat on (October 29, 2012, 11:19 GMT)

This is the beginning of a long season for India.If the selectors want to ring in any changes,now is the time.Sehwag is in the twilight of his career,he has served India for the last decade.Why cant the team managment bat him lower down the order like he has requested and pair Rahane with Gambhir?We have 8tests at home and this would be the right footing for Rahane to establish himself.As far as the bowling is concerned,I wont be surprised if Dhoni plays 3 spinners.Umesh should open the bowling and India should groom him so that he can be our spearhead going into the future.

Posted by PrasPunter on (October 29, 2012, 10:59 GMT)

@ Edassery , exactly my thoughts. These indian cricketers and their fans talk a lot about how they are going to "give" back to Eng, in india. No big deal that. Do that to Eng in Eng and then talk about places in the Hall of Fame. Preparing friendly wickets and beating them hardly qualifies as giving back.

Posted by bumsonseats on (October 29, 2012, 10:54 GMT)

not another one wanting to make a payback. its to late the payback comes to late. you and others are talking about doctoring wickets so that you are sure you will win so if thats payback then i guess you will be happy. i have no doubt you will win without doing anything with wickets and your spinners should get enough help win normal ware and tear,

Posted by rahulcricket007 on (October 29, 2012, 10:50 GMT)


Posted by krishkrish on (October 29, 2012, 10:50 GMT)

After Kohli and Pujara , Rahane deserved to be in Indian XI. Phase out Sehwag , Gambhir , Sachin , Dhoni and Zaheer and have sucession plan with Mukund , Vijay, Rahane ,Bist , Parthiv and Irfan.

Posted by   on (October 29, 2012, 10:48 GMT)

Instead of pay back , 4-0 etc. India should take it test by test. Win the first test, take momentum to next so on and so forth. If U start thinking about 4-0 from the beggining,then U are putting pressure on urself. Before edgbaston test, I bet England never thought they can win 4-0.

Posted by Sri.Smiles on (October 29, 2012, 10:41 GMT)


While I do understand that the comments at times may cross the borderline, the reason for such anger is not far to find.

Unlike Indian journalists and/or ex-cricketers who rarely criticize english cricketers, english journos and ex cricketers have gone overboard in trying to poke fun at the indian team. their ire at the BCCI and the issue of England playing second fiddle to BCCI has led to a lot of comments being directed against players.

noone can dfend the indian team's performance in eng/Oz. It was abysmal. but, extremely biased reporting in turn tends to cause equal extreme positions. Basic law of human behaviour.

Posted by Selassie-I on (October 29, 2012, 10:41 GMT)

I think yuvi would be the best pick, seems to be in great from after his return(Fair play) both got their fair share of short stuff in England so shoudl do better on more sub-continental pitches. Both will want to post some scores. I wonder if this playign of lots of seamrs could backfire and give our guys a bit of confidence?

Posted by   on (October 29, 2012, 10:32 GMT)

Really looking forward to this battle between the flat track bullies v the one track wonders. Between the team who hasnt recently been able to play on lively tracks and the team who has never been able to play on anything but lively tracks.

Posted by GRVJPR on (October 29, 2012, 10:30 GMT)

@Satish619Chandar You have playe no part whatsoever in making Suresh raina an international cricketer, So mind your own business and give advice to millions like you in India who have only thing to do and that is to crictcise Indian Young Cricketers. One day Raina will prove everyone wrong. Mark My Words

Posted by YogifromNY on (October 29, 2012, 10:30 GMT)

@Rogerunionjack - could not agree with you more. Since Ganguly lifted the Indian team's aggression levels, they have tried to speak the way the Aussies used to bad-mouth all opponents in Steve Waugh's days. The trouble is, at their best, the Indian team was never as good as the Aussies used to be in those days. And these days, the Indians are PATHETIC with the exception of one or two players. It would be better, both for the dignity of the game and to prevent themselves from looking stupid afterwards, for the Indian players to let their on-field actions do the talking and shut up off it. Btw, I am a US-based Indian team supporter.

Posted by Valavan on (October 29, 2012, 10:24 GMT)

Very funny, Raina paying back in Tests, did he forget he is not a test material, struggled in Windsor Park, Dominica against a young windies side, or his problems against bouncing deliveries in England, Comon Raina play in ODIs, You are not a KP, Mike Hussey to play all 3 formats efficiently. Jokes do come here, but one after another, first Gambhir, then Kohli, now Raina, but raina atleast played all tests, Gambhir ran midway to save his face. cricinfo please publish.

Posted by sachinisawesome on (October 29, 2012, 10:24 GMT)

@ Edassery. I agree he should not be loud mothing before India wins this series but don't say learn playing on bouncy wickets. We still have players who can play on bouncy wickets but England team doesn't have anyone who can play spin(apart from KP). Peace.

Posted by GRVJPR on (October 29, 2012, 10:20 GMT)

Raian is absolutely Right. batting with Tail requires special skills, especially in India where old ball jumps and turns. It's far different from playing in England where the older ball just slides on to the bat and even the tail enders score centuries. It's my prediction that England tail won't add more than 50 runs in any test match when they face a jumping and turning ball. Raina has been very unlucky is his test career. Few Cricket experts of India don't want to see him in test side and they target him in every commentry stint. While other people repeat what they say like "Parrots".

Posted by Procter on (October 29, 2012, 10:18 GMT)

Both Yuvraj and Raina have been given umpteen chances in Tests but have not cemented their place. Ajinkya Rahne who has performed in Tests also should now be given chance to cement his place. He can either come as opener with Sehwag going down or even come 1 down. Logically speaking , there cannot be fixed specialist batting spot for everyone except for openers who face new ball. Rest of the spots are rotatable.

Posted by Rohan_K on (October 29, 2012, 10:13 GMT)

Dont want to see anymore of Raina in the Test squad, he is not a permanent solution. Raina dont talk, let the bat do the talking, score runs if you can at this level..

Posted by himohan007 on (October 29, 2012, 10:10 GMT)

@ Rogerunionjack Common mate. Atleast now our boys are showing some intensity to win this series fair and square which was missing in ENG n AUS tour. It is good for our team because some will try put decent performance to back it up. Mind you we are in a desperate situation to over come the one bad year which haunted us.

Posted by satish619chandar on (October 29, 2012, 9:55 GMT)

"Payback" is a too big word to utter in mouth. Just because, it will hurt even more if you can't deliver it on the field. If the first day of first test is bad, it will be too tough to pick yourself up. Given the sorry state of Indian team in tests recently, i would like them to have a winning start rather. Should India surprise England by making Rahane open and pushing Viru to 5 and Virat at 6? It would be a worthy try as it will shield Viru from his recent new ball problem and will save him from fresh bowlers too. Both Yuvraj and Raina were not that great against off spinners too. If given a choice, i would go with Rahane opening with Gauti and Viru at 5. It will reprieve Virat the best batsman in the team of his chance up the order but sometimes the sacrifice need to be made. Just like ABD kept wickets in England.

Posted by   on (October 29, 2012, 9:52 GMT)

It has to be Yuvi, what has Raina done in Test cricket?. He will be a bunny to the English bowlers, his style of play is not suited to anything over 20 overs at best...

Posted by Edassery on (October 29, 2012, 9:50 GMT)

When it comes to home series in flat pitches, they are all tigers. So pick anyone!

By the way, Raina dear, if you want to give back, you have to give back in England conditions and not at your backyard :) First learn how to play bouncing and short of length deliveries.

Posted by   on (October 29, 2012, 9:49 GMT)

Its not yuvraj vs raina. Its leave out sachin and fit in both.

Posted by Rohan_K on (October 29, 2012, 9:46 GMT)

Cant wait for the action to begin at the Historic Brabourne Stadium, probably the finest club house in the Sub-continent.

Posted by Rogerunionjack on (October 29, 2012, 9:46 GMT)

What is it with these sore wounds? First Ghambir, then Kohli, now Raina - all seeking revenge? "I want to give some of that pain back"? How about some positive comments, the way our guys Cook, Finn & Swann have been speaking? We've been nothing but polite, dignified and humble. But comments from the hosts have been arrogant, rough and ungentlemanly. Regret this coming from a normally wonderful nation & people. Kohli has a lot to learn from Tedulkar, and it isn't just batting.

Posted by Heisenburg on (October 29, 2012, 9:44 GMT)

Few weeks ago I would have laughed at the idea of Yuvraj playing tests, but he's been in pretty good form, sure as hell better than Raina

Posted by CricketMaan on (October 29, 2012, 9:33 GMT)

My starting line given that all 4 medium pacers could paly - Vijay, Mukund, Rahane, Yuvi, Tiwary, Raina, Saha, Pathan, Vinay, Awana, Dinda. That is 3 southpaws in top 6 against Swann. Big challenge if the ball turns!! Dinda should nto waste the oppurtunity by just bowling too many bouncers, Pathan and Vinay are more of supporting roles. Awana can be the underdog. With Yuvi, Tiwary, Raina to share the spin burden have to see how they go as it can be a value add. With Dhawan at thier thorat, Vijay and Mukund have might oppurtunity. Mukund is still better equiped and being a leftie is an advantage, for Vijay if he misses this one, the road ahead can be very long. I feel sorry for Badri, his international career may be over.

Posted by CricketMaan on (October 29, 2012, 9:23 GMT)

Raina, Yuvi, Tiwary, Rahane, Rayudu, Bist et all not just have to think of only No.6 but also No.5 (hoping Kholi will take over No.4 sooner). That is two spots in whites, the only drawback is both Raina, Yuvi are southpaws and its not common to have two come after one another, after all they are not Huss+Gilly to follow up one another in a Test line up. I would like to see how Saha goes about his business. DK was unlucky and didnt make best use of his oppurtunities. Saha should know that its not going to be long before he dones gloves in whites for India. Lastly that 2 coveted opening slots..Dhawan, Vijay, Mukund, (Rahane) are the front runners on current form and some international experience in one or other format. Intresting times. I'm sure the message from coach is to go after Swann, Panesar to upset thier rythm, but that could prove fatal as well. Im looking forwrad to this game more than the first test.

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