England in India 2012-13

England shrug off new Ashwin mystery ball

George Dobell

November 12, 2012

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R Ashwin gestures at India's training session, World Twenty20, Colombo, September 14, 2012
England have dismissed talk of another variation in R Ashwin's armoury © Associated Press

It was anticipated before England's tour of India that they would face a great deal of spin bowling but, with the warm-up games completed, they have faced more spin off the pitch than on it.

Having been consigned to non-spinning pitches and deliberately deprived of the chance to face quality spin bowling in the three matches ahead of the Test series, England will have opened their newspapers in Ahmedabad on Monday morning and found that R Ashwin, one of the Indian spinners they will face in the Tests, has claimed to possess a new "mystery" delivery. "I have been working on this ball for some time now," Ashwin told the Times of India. "I might use it in this series."

There is nothing new in such claims. For years Shane Warne used to play on the insecurities of England batsmen by talking of his new deliveries ahead of Ashes series. Saeed Ajmal, ahead of England's series against Pakistan in the UAE, made similar claims. On each occasion, there was little evidence of such a delivery though confused batsmen sometimes interpreted natural variation as something more deliberate.

But this time England have dismissed the claims. Richard Halsall, the England assistant coach, reacted with both amusement and cynicism to Ashwin's claims and suggested the side had heard it all before.

"I was very fortunate to spend a few years with Mushtaq Ahmed at Sussex," Halsall, who was formerly fielding coach at Sussex, said. "And Mushy would have a 'mystery ball' every week. He'd show it to the opposition in the nets and, as we would wander off he would say 'that's just my leg-break'. If Ashwin has got a mystery ball, that's fantastic for him. It may move cricket on. But I'm sure our batsmen will watch him carefully and deal with each ball as it comes."

While England may be cynical about the existence of any new delivery, their ability to play those deliveries in Ashwin's already extensive repertoire remain unproven. Their troubles against Pakistan have largely been explained with the explanation that Ajmal is a bowler of rare skill and variation. While that is true, it ignores the fact that they were troubled almost as much by Abdur Rehman, and in Sri Lanka by Rangana Herath; both of whom are largely conventional left-arm spinners.

Halsall admitted England found it "quite odd" and "frustrating" that they had faced so little spin in the warm-up matches, but suggested they compensated by practising against good quality spinners in the nets.

"We've managed to get enough high-pressure, quality practice into the batsmen off the field so that they feel ready for the first Test," he said. "It's not a concern, but it has been quite odd that we haven't faced the spin out in the middle, especially when there have been spinners playing. But we've been fortunate to have some exceptional net bowlers. Over here, you do get some exceptional players not in the games."

Halsall was behind the stumps when Stuart Broad and Steven Finn bowled in practise on Sunday and was impressed by what he saw. But a decision on their participation will not be made until Tuesday at the earliest with both needing to prove their match fitness with a prolonged bowl in practise.

"Steven and Stuart both looked fairly hostile," Halsall said. "They both bowled very well. It's fantastic to see where Steven is. We didn't think he'd be at this stage so soon. That's great, and Stuart is coming along exactly as we thought he would.

"We'll monitor them over the next two days. Then we'll know a little bit more. But we're happy with where they are at the moment."

It underlines Halsall's growing stature within the England camp that he has been given a more public role with the squad for the first time. Originally appointed as fielding coach, he has already stood in for team director, Andy Flower, on occasional days and must be considered a contender as his successor sometime in the future. But Halsall may require a spell as director of cricket at a county before taking control of the national side.

It may also be relevant that Ashley Giles is presently with the squad. Warwickshire's director of cricket, who is also an England selector, may be a more suitable candidate to stand in for an entire series if Flower is to be rested. With ODI series coming up against India and New Zealand, it is possible Flower will be urged to take some time off ahead of a year that will include back-to-back Ashes series.

George Dobell is a senior correspondent at ESPNcricinfo

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Posted by Al_Bundy1 on (November 14, 2012, 3:36 GMT)

Ashwin is a decent bowler...but he is not in the same class as Ajmal, yet. Ajmal made Tendulya look like a rookie in Asia cup. If Ashwin fails, we have plenty of good spinners in Jalaj Saxena, Shabaz Nadeem, etc.

Posted by Meety on (November 13, 2012, 23:45 GMT)

@sensible-indian-fan on (November 13 2012, 11:32 AM GMT) - well that was sort of my point. Ashwin is unproven & could well become very good or great, this will be a big test for him, as so far I think he has succeeded against weaker teams. It is a similar arguement I have about Finn. A large chunk of his wickets have been against Bangladesh & so I won't rate him highly until that portion lowers relative to his overall wickets. IMO - I don't rate Ashwin above the SL spinners who played England recently. I am more than happy to revise after this Test series (whatever that is worth)!!!

Posted by   on (November 13, 2012, 13:31 GMT)

I think Ashwin is way too over rated. He has overseas record to prove that! I highly doubt if he can conquer England in this upcoming series!

Posted by   on (November 13, 2012, 12:50 GMT)

Just Wait and Watch... dont start predicting anything... the test hasn't yet started..!!

Posted by sensible-indian-fan on (November 13, 2012, 11:32 GMT)

@meety - Ashwin is not yet proven. You accept it, right it? Then how can you be sure that he will NOT be better than Ajmal? Early indications show that he has done very well in okayish spinning tracks. 2 man of the series at home. Yes, WI and NZ are bad players of spin. The question is - Is WI worse than Eng when it comes to spin? Debatable topic, right? Plus here's something that applies to both Ajmal and Ashwin - Check out Kumble's average in Aus during the 1998 tour when India got slaughtered and check out his average in the 2003 tour when India did well to almost get a series win. There will be a huge difference. Why? Because when batmen put runs on the board, one can attack and take wickets. So we shouldn't look too much into Ajmal and Ashwin's record in Aus. Chuck all the mystery ball nonsense, I just have a feeling England is grossly underestimating Ashwin and Ojha. As of now, Ajmal is waaaay ahead of Ashwin but only time will tell who is more effective.

Posted by BigDataIsAHoax on (November 13, 2012, 10:11 GMT)

We don't need mystery balls to get the hapless English rolled over. Just simple dolly spinners will do.

Posted by cricket9lover on (November 13, 2012, 6:29 GMT)

Its very good aswin releasing another variation but next selection for test team should add another mystery to england by selecting rahul sharma, a legspinner I think most of us wish to see ashwin ojha rahulsharma balling in a test match to england in india.

Posted by Meety on (November 13, 2012, 5:53 GMT)

@sensible-indian-fan on (November 12 2012, 20:49 PM GMT) - sorry mate, but Ashwin v Ajmal is a win to Ajmal by knock out. Ashwin's resume has no highlights outside India, plus 85% of his wickets have come against NZ & WI - lowly ranked sides. Like Ajmal, he failed against Oz, this will be his next big test!

Posted by KiwiRocker- on (November 13, 2012, 5:41 GMT)

This is a kind of talk that has ruined many careers..R.Ashwin is an over rated ordinary spinner who is being made to look good as he has played on Indian wickets..R.Ashwin has 9 wickets at an average of 61 outside India. Ashwin has yet to face likes of Sangakara,Younis Khan, Jaywardene who are wondeful players of spin. Younis Khan's master piece of 267 against Kumble was a treat. Ashwin needs to focus on normal balls instead of mystery balls. Ashwin is not Saeed Ajmal, he would never be. Saeed Ajmal is a different type of bowler who has made Tendulya look clueless so Saeed Ajmal can affard to talk like McGrath. I fnd all this self serving talk by players like Ashwin and Kohli distasteful.No one denies their talent but India lost 8-0 in tests,did not get in T20 semis, lost in Asia cup. Fletcher is missing in action. Looking at Watmore who is quitely doing his job. Pakistan was in T20 semis, won Asia cup, thrashed England 3-0. India is still living in flace ICC rankings! Wake up!

Posted by basusri133b on (November 13, 2012, 5:15 GMT)

Ashwin's comments are ludicrous. Instead of shooting his mouth, he should work on his craft and let his bowling do the talking. This kind of immature crap is highly unnecessary. This fellow is just starting his career. Let it not go to your head.

Posted by cool2cool on (November 13, 2012, 4:18 GMT)

@Alexk400: But why England had not done that in last 25+ years to win a test series in India?

Posted by getsetgopk on (November 13, 2012, 4:13 GMT)

He doesn't even bowl doosra, what mystery is he talking about? Is he trying to say that he will try to bowl a doosra and will miserably fail at it? Hope he doesn't loose his other mystery called off spin in the process. If Warne and Ajmal make claims then that is one thing as both are greatest of the game but a nobody like Ashwin making tall claims like this is simply pathetic. Whitewash a top ranked side with your and your bowling alone and then come back to play mind games but before that dont try to embarrass yourself.

Posted by maddy20 on (November 13, 2012, 2:20 GMT)

@davidpk Thats the arm ball. Carrom ball is one that is released by flicking the ball out of the hand with the fore-finger. Upon release it will go either ways(more often than not away from the right hander) depending upon the finger position when its flicked. Its impossible to read it out of the hand and has to be read off the pitch. It was invented by Ajantha Mendis, the SL spinner. @WickyRoy You are comparing a rookie to a player who has been play FC cricket for over 15 and international for over 5 years with one who has been doing it for 1 year at the international level and about 3 years at FC. Despite of this his bowling average is less than Ajmal, has a lower strike rate and has a higher batting average than most of your mediocre batsmen(39.22 is bettered only by Younis Khan and Misbah) and he still has lot of cricket left in him so he can only get better. India may not have a worldclass bowlers but they have enough skill to skittle out your inept batsmen in every WC till date

Posted by US_Indian on (November 13, 2012, 1:56 GMT)

You know what are two majic alphabets W & W- which means just WAIT and WATCH.

Posted by   on (November 13, 2012, 1:03 GMT)

Having no DRS will hurt India BIG time... The DRS played a massive role in Pakistan's victory over England. People are under-estimating England this time - here are very few players in the Indian cricket team right now who are in form.

Posted by Meety on (November 13, 2012, 0:17 GMT)

I am highly dubious about Ashwin having any mystery about him! That said, he MAY get into the heads of some of the England batsmen (thinking Bell)!

Posted by   on (November 12, 2012, 23:16 GMT)

I think that the Indian and SA policy of subverting warm up matches so that they're meaningless is just going to lead to test teams declining to play them. I'd rather book a field and have an intra-squad match than give the opposition peripheral players a chance to muck about.

Posted by Erebus26 on (November 12, 2012, 22:50 GMT)

@ManThesPM & swwastik - that is what I'm getting at. Ashwin has no more mystery than a part time twirler such as Samit. I don't believe he is any good as a bowler. Somebody compared him to Murali and Warne - I'm sorry he isn't even remotely in their class and never will be. His record looks decent because he played against an inexperienced West Indies side and NZ who are pretty hopeless against spin, but Australia completely owned him as a bowler. England have had their troubles, but KP, Bell and Patel are capable of playing Ashwin in their sleep. If India want to put pressure on England then play Harbhajan.

Posted by dsig3 on (November 12, 2012, 22:45 GMT)

Is it the one that turns?? Seriously, I cant stand England but only Warne can pull of this sort of schtik. I like ashwin, but he is a young player and inexperienced, he should not be carrying on like this. The new India I suppose, guys like Kohli and Ashwin.

Posted by Nampally on (November 12, 2012, 22:35 GMT)

I don't understand all the panic about the so-called "Mystery" ball. England appear to call any bowler who they can't play as Mystery bowler. In 1950,WI off spinner Ramadhin, instantly became a "mystery bowler" in England when he used he released his "Doosra" from the thumb side & ran thru the England batting. As things stand in the first 3 practice matches, Yuvraj got 5 England wkts with orthodox left hand spin, Mishra got 4 wkts with right arm leg spin & Yadev, a 22 year old youngster, got 4 wkts. with off spinners. These spinners did not have a "Mystery" ball in their armour yet got quite a few England wkts. So Ashwin does not need a mystery ball when he bowls Vs. England, going by their record. If I was an Indian team selector, I will go in with a right arm leg spinner in addition to LH spinner + right arm off spinner. Even with these spinners, India need to win the toss + score >450 runs + hope the wkt. takes spin.Too many things to click apart from Mystery ball for Indian win!.

Posted by   on (November 12, 2012, 22:04 GMT)

I am not sure if Ashwin will trouble English batsman that much.. Yuvraj Singh would be the most dangerous bowler in my opinion!

Posted by Alexk400 on (November 12, 2012, 21:34 GMT)

Engalnd problem is mental. They are better team than india. India do not have bowlers to take 20 wickets. England need to bat 3 days , indian will fall like 9 pin. Main reason is indian team is not happy team. All england to do is make india self explode itself by applying pressure. If england keep wickets and bat slow if necessary , its over for india.

Posted by Shan156 on (November 12, 2012, 21:21 GMT)

Too much is being made of England's perceived inability to play quality spin. As someone mentioned, it was not the turn that undid England in the UAE. It was the skidding. England have played better spinners than Ashwin and Ojha and will not be losing lot of sleep having to face these two. Unless India prepares 4 dustbowls (perfectly alright for India to prepare but please don't say it is a revenge for the 'green tops' that England prepared last year - they did not), England won't lose 0-4. India are still favorites to take the series by a long way but 4-0 would be very difficult. Even Windies managed to draw a test. I believe it may be 2-0 or 2-1 to India.

Posted by Shan156 on (November 12, 2012, 21:11 GMT)

@Agila, you may want to check out McGrath's record in India. Agreed Australia have lost one test more than they have won with McGrath in the team but look at his numbers. He has played 8 tests and the only test he has gone wicketless (and, for all practical purposes, that was just a single innings) was the Chennai test in 2004 when Sehwag went berserk. Even in the famous Kolkata test, he took 7 wickets at a respectable average.

Posted by Shan156 on (November 12, 2012, 21:05 GMT)

@Stark62, we have heard it all before. Ajmal played, what, 2 tests in England and Swann has played aplenty. There is little to separate in terms of their averages in England. Before this summer, Swann's average in England was less than Ajmal's in England but it may not mean much because of the same reason that Swann has played a lot more in England. Besides, in the same series, Swann had better numbers than Ajmal. In the UAE, it was the opposite. Similarly, Ajmal has better record in Windies and Swann in Australia. I am not saying Ajmal is not better than Swann but till Ajmal plays a lot more tests all over the world, especially against the best players of spin - India (against whome he hasn't played a test), it would be preposterous to claim that he is the best out there.

Posted by sensible-indian-fan on (November 12, 2012, 20:49 GMT)

@Stark62 - No one can dispute the fact that Ajmal has proven himself to be damn good. The stats and his impact in matches says it all. The reason why Ashwin was not selected for the England tour was because Indian Selectors never had the guts to drop Harbhajan. In fact, Ashwin was benched for the world cup 2011 semifinal and final despite proving to be far superior to Harbhajan in the few world cup games he played. Now your stats are saying that Ajmal is mighty effective, that's all. It doesn't say he's better than Ashwin. As I said, Ashwin is yet to be proven as a test bowler against different oppositions in different conditions. As of now, Ajmal has a far superior ODI and T20 record compared to Ashwin. As you mentioned, he too (like all spinners) is taking time to mature. Only time will tell who is better (though it looks like Ajmal at the moment).

Posted by   on (November 12, 2012, 20:47 GMT)

Excuse me Mr. Halsall, but it is your captain who mentioned that he did not enough spin practice. If your batters have mastered Ashwin, that is it, you aren't gonna get any better spin than that. Tell your captain to stop sending messages then.

Posted by gandabhai on (November 12, 2012, 20:15 GMT)

Enngaarlaand , enjoy the 'SPIN MUSIC'

Posted by usernames on (November 12, 2012, 19:34 GMT)

@Erebus - What that will do is shatter your beliefs. Patel's innocuous wayward deliveries are mysterious... just how?

Posted by Stark62 on (November 12, 2012, 19:15 GMT)

@ sensible-indian-fan

What about the fact, when he toured Eng and WI? In the WI he averaged 14.47 and in Eng he averaged 29.41, whilst Swann averages 30.55 in Eng, which shows you the quality of Ajmal.

When he toured Aus, he wasn't even considered the no. 1 spinner because Kaneria was that person, plus he didn't have much self belief and control over his variations either but now it would be a different story.

Also, why wasn't Ashwin selected for the Eng tour?

Posted by   on (November 12, 2012, 19:15 GMT)

All English poor are playing mind game here!!! lets test cricket start and see who playing spin better!!! One poor written here that samit patel has more spinning techniq than ashwin!!! i wud ask him to see the ashwin's hme record that may be more than the record of great warne or murali on their initial stage!!! yu just wait and watch all english batsmens gonna have fun time in india!!!! im not writing off anybody here but mind yur game and play well!!!!!

Posted by Agila on (November 12, 2012, 19:07 GMT)

@Jjamie15, India have by far been a fast bowlers grave. After the famous WI famous pace quartret of the 80s, I have never seen any fast bowler go off scar free!

Posted by anita1_cric on (November 12, 2012, 18:54 GMT)

WILL SRT retire ...plz non-sense from Indain cricketers

Posted by Stark62 on (November 12, 2012, 18:53 GMT)

Trying to play mind games but it won't work this time!!

Posted by   on (November 12, 2012, 18:45 GMT)

ashwin wasnt a mystrey spinner but he is a good spinner.he can troble england easily with his spin

Posted by bumsonseats on (November 12, 2012, 18:39 GMT)

maddy20 i thought the cannon ball was just a bowl that did not spin, and was bowled 10 mph faster. bit like deadly bowl for england

Posted by bumsonseats on (November 12, 2012, 18:35 GMT)

Me.Snoz not sure that was the reason england got beat. but i would love to see a real clanger in the last test in the last innings of a test, and with it the series depending on a win for either side,and it goes against india. well what ructions we would get, but mind i also think randyoz/jonesy2 talk sense, so i guess it will be a hammering.

Posted by ssenthil on (November 12, 2012, 18:30 GMT)

@Avroneel Biswas, Ashwin is the one who bowled Watson in the 50 over world cup Quarter Final. I hope you know who is the boss. T-20 any batsman can hit any bowler in the world. Test is different format, let Watson come with Visiting Aussies to see how he will play Ashwin.

Posted by Dhanno on (November 12, 2012, 18:21 GMT)

Some predictions: If England frontline bowlers stay fit and bend their backs atleast one innings per test : Sehwag and Gambhir will return with avg of low 20s Zaheer will breakdown...end of second test Sachin will make one 80 and rest in 30s ( if < 3 english bowlers break down). If not, expect a hundred in 4th test Well that will happen if he doesnt break down in third test. Raina and Dhoni will prove they are test material (just kidding, this prediction is sponsored by CSK) Cook will cook up couple hundreds, Trott would trott out few useful 50s and Bell will sadly again fail (these are serious predictions, they just happen to rhyme)

And last but not least, Bhajji will give lecture on spin bowling at Lords next year extolling virtues of 4.0 run rate in test matches and importance of not taking wickets!

Posted by Erebus26 on (November 12, 2012, 18:21 GMT)

Ashwin has a mystery ball? Sorry but he isn't good enough as a bowler. Samit Patel has more mystery than this lad. I want to see the English batsmen put Ashwin under some pressure as I believe he crumbles under pressure.

Posted by crindex on (November 12, 2012, 18:20 GMT)

Ashwin stutters when hit and under pressure. He has shown that in a perfect world of perfect turning and bouncy pitch he is a class act. Otherwise an ordinary pitch or a pacy pitch renders him useless. This is the difference between spin greats like Warne , Murali - and Ashwin. All said and done, Ashwin and Ojha combination can wreck havoc on the English in the third or fourth innings. Everything else is just a hogwash.

Posted by Dhanno on (November 12, 2012, 18:08 GMT)

Part II. So 2 places where England can (mostly will) lose this series. A. Getting acclimatized to real test conditions/ pressure, hence losing early wickets and 1st test match. This can happen if the pitch for 1st match is indeed spinner's paradise. These days indian pitches arent dust bowls as everyone is saying (exception of a mumbai test i remember and another one at bangalore). As long as english back their ability in the given conditions they will be able to see through the series as a draw. But given that visitors struggle first time out, I rate india winning 1st test 75%. B. That wouldnt be so bad. But if England lose their bowlers (or flowers like broad, anderson), then they wont be able to take 20 wickets in subsequent tests. If this happens, though english batting will improve as tests go on, their bowling handicap will stop them from winning. So if they stay fit and overcome early jitters england can atleast draw this series. A 2-0 loss at most, 2-1 realistic!

Posted by Dhanno on (November 12, 2012, 17:46 GMT)

@ CaptainCharlie..hahaha.. now that should hurt indian bowlers ! Well two sets of comments here, one bashing england because they flopped against ajmal (hence they will flop against ashwin/ ojha/ bhajji etc) or they flopped at T20 hence they will flop again. Well the fact is Pakistani part-timers are better than India's official spinners (and I am indian). As Charlie said above, no control, no guile, no heart and especially fight. If the english batsmen can play out few hours and make indian bowlers toil in sun they will wilt (120/3 in 40 overs will be good enough start). If things dont go their way both bowlers and captain dhoni tend to go defensive. This isnt the day and time of Kumble who would come out with broken jaw and bowl. Bhajji loses his mettle in face of adversity, Ojha/ Ashwin are as someone said, best case county cricketers, who think playing in T20 makes them spinning gods. They are not! So if England fight it out they have a chance here. Whr they might lose, well part2

Posted by androyuvi on (November 12, 2012, 17:44 GMT)

Come on people, just know one important thing about this "mystery ball" issue going aroung. Ashwin, unlike Warne or Ajmal, never tried to let the cat out before th tests start, but some Indian News channel caught him bowling using his knuckles during net sessions, and when they asked him about it, he honestly accepted he is trying to master one. But the Team England is scarred as hell after knowing that and came out with such a defensive "aah, dont we know what spinners talk" theroy just to calm their own players. I respect Ashwin for what he is trying and mastering something new even after knowing England are weaker against spinners. Maybe he is more cautious about Ojha taking more wickets than his as most English men are left handed. Whatever, i sure will give a pat on Ashwin for what he has done and what he is doing. England will keep both eyes open for his deliveries.

Posted by Cricketfan101 on (November 12, 2012, 17:40 GMT)

@S-A-M1994 wonder who aswin is have heard too much off him lol

Posted by   on (November 12, 2012, 17:27 GMT)

Only one thing i would say----"SACHIN TENDULKAR"

Posted by Mr.Snoz on (November 12, 2012, 17:21 GMT)

The lack of DRS may harm the Indian spinners chances of taking wickets in the series, it was a major part of Pakistan's win against England.

Posted by maddy20 on (November 12, 2012, 17:16 GMT)

Mr.Hassall is just trying to calm their nerves. Is he actually saying the net bowlers bowled Doosras and Carrom balls at these batsmen? Regardless, no other additional deliveries are needed. The carrom ball is delivered from almost the same wrist position, and nearly same finger position. Upon pitching though it can go either ways and Ashwin seems to have a pretty good control over it. Needless to say, England are in for a treat, especially against a team that is hungry to avenge the debacle in England. Back then they just rubbed salt on our wounds by shooting their mouths off and now they will pay. I can't wait for them to start dancing to Ashwin's tunes. @yohoo Completely agree with you. WI are much better players of spin. Those guys spend almost two months every year in India alone playing IPL, where atleast half of the 20 overs are usually bowled by spinners. Their consistently solid performance in WT20 emphasizes that fact even more.

Posted by   on (November 12, 2012, 17:16 GMT)

Won't be easy for English Batsmen.

Posted by jb633 on (November 12, 2012, 17:07 GMT)

@Jamie15- no they most certainly are not, but it seems most Indian fans are content with being able to win in their own backyard, because any cricket played outside India doesn't really count. I ask you how is a country with a population of over a billion and a huge passion for cricket content with the fact that they must rely on not letting the opposition warm up and preparing dust bowls to win a test series? England are woeful against spin in the SC anyway and not allowing them any warm ups is pretty poor etiquette. England are in a no lose situation this tour, if they crumble against spin all we will hear is that it is inevitable, if they get any wins this really shows just how far India have fallen in recent times. I predict an Indian win but an England win would really show the BCCI that they have got their priorities, overpaid talentless T20 players, all wrong. Come on England at least show some spirt. We can't be any worse than India were in England. Now that was humiliating.

Posted by Mdrifai on (November 12, 2012, 17:07 GMT)

Highly overrated bowler...we saw in the last edition of Champions league how well dinesh karthik played him & he crumbles under pressure & none of his variations worked out...highly ineffective in pitches other than dust bowls in india...he has prove his worth abroad as well in conditions like SA, AUS, ENG etc...england have always had a mental block against spin when they play in the sub-continent...but with likes of KP & bell very good players of spin...i do not seriously think that the spinners are going to pose a huge threat...and i believe pragyan ojha is a far superior bowler than ashwin...

Posted by   on (November 12, 2012, 17:03 GMT)

england batsmans were disco dancing to ply yuvi"s ball,..what woud be their dance style whwn they will face ashwin and ojha and ofcourse yuvi..i think its kathakali..what do u think guys :P :)

Posted by Cricfan_99 on (November 12, 2012, 16:50 GMT)

BREAKING NEWS::: Ian Bell was spotted watching the highlights of the PAK-ENG series earlier this year - still trying to spot the "TEESRA".. Unfortunately he had to leave with disappointment - Quick quote by an onlooking reporter - Reporter to IB : was that highlight package helpful? IAN BELL : I'm still trying to spot the "DOOSRA" and already had a "CARROM BALL" to deal with !! Blimey - What is this new mystery ball anyway? - Aint Ashwin a leg break bowler?

Posted by 2.14istherunrate on (November 12, 2012, 16:49 GMT)

From what I can make out this is the 'carrom' ball. I thought he already bowled it and used it well. His action is higher for the ball and there's a flurry around the hand which should be easily detectable. We need our own propanda department to start putting out a few ideas about our new types of swing.

Posted by KaptaanCricket on (November 12, 2012, 16:46 GMT)

Let me ask you people- Ashwin is an off-spinner so he will normally bowl the ball that will come back into the right handed batsman or the one which leaves the right handed batsman known as 'DOOSRA'. so tell me which other direction is left now? LOLzzz THIS ALL DRAMA IS CREATED TO GET ENGLISHMEN IN DOUBTS AND TRY TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT,SO THIS IS ALL CRAP!!! Ashwin it is too old to try same tricks which are used 3 times already and the whole England is not a fool to believe what you say.

Posted by topeleven on (November 12, 2012, 16:45 GMT)

England to tame spin has to try and play inside out shots rather than trying to sweep often. their problem is there lack of footwork or exaggerated footwork. Also they have to play straight rather than trying to hit in the mid wicket region often.

Posted by WickyRoy.paklover on (November 12, 2012, 16:39 GMT)

ANY ball on which he would b able to get a wicket z going to be termed as "MYSTERY BALL" so by that count ,therd would b 2 balls per match N one mystry bal per ining.lolz.ITS SO FUNY TO HEAR HYPE 4rm indian fans Regardng dis club level spinner

Posted by   on (November 12, 2012, 16:38 GMT)

You gotta love it. Psych out warfair. But is he joking? Of course he is. All the spin bowlers do it. A lot of bowlers do it. Ashwin is a very good bowler without jibbering on about a non existent mystery ball and I do think India will win the series but as an Englishmen I hope to god England can at least give a good account of themselves for a change and we can see some top quality cricket from both sides

Posted by svenkat02 on (November 12, 2012, 16:25 GMT)

Ajmal straightens his arm to get that kind of mystery to his bowling... Ashwin bowls with a normal action and so, its tougher for him to attain the kind of mystery that Ajmal attains. I rate Ashwin higher just because of this.

Posted by   on (November 12, 2012, 16:12 GMT)

Ahswin's mystery ??

Watson has showed, that he is not even a spinner. He has no class.

Posted by   on (November 12, 2012, 16:11 GMT)

the writer George Dobell talks about england being deprived of playing against quality spin bowlers in the practice match,i m actually very amused by this statement bcoz india is currently struggling to find a quality spinner in india(apart from ashwin and ojha) ,if he knows about such spinner plz inform India's selector of the same or maybe he wanted ashwin & ojha to bowl at the english team in the practice match or maybe George over-estimated india's spin bowling resources...

Posted by   on (November 12, 2012, 16:03 GMT)

@jjamie. ajmal is the best but only fools rest on past laurels. Ashwin is much younger(about a decade) and likely to mount a stiff challenge. about pace, did you see the double centurion Clarke at Brisbane today? he was playing short pitched stuff like a novice and he is the best australian bat. India has belted the best in the past and will do so again. Stuart Broad wil surely hit the end of his career on this particular series and the rest will be lucky to last the tour. The Pommies are in for a hammering of their lives and the aussies after that. There is hardly any player who plays fast bowling well these days, not just the Indians haven't you noticed

Posted by   on (November 12, 2012, 16:02 GMT)

@ sobersfan , Ajmal an ordinary bowler nice joke, I think you just have started watching cricket lolz

Posted by sensible-indian-fan on (November 12, 2012, 15:37 GMT)

@jjamie15 - How can you be sure that Ajmal is better than Ashwin? Have you seen Ashwin bowl in test matches? Right now Ashwin is unknown (as a test bowler) and only time will tell. By the way, did you know that Ashwin outbowled Ajmal (it terms of economy and wickets) in both the T20 matches that India faced against Pakistan in the recent World Cup. Agreed that Ashwin had to bowl to the weak Pak batmen while Ajmal had to bowl to the strong Ind batsmen but I made the comparison because it was the same pitch. And also Ashwin has played just 1 away series (in Aus) and has a faaar better avg than Ajmal (66 as opposed to 111).

Posted by   on (November 12, 2012, 15:29 GMT)

For Me India should beat England 4-0 just to let them know when any asian team visit England and Australia there should make equally balance wickets.. If they can do that then face the music of Spin before it was Ajmal & rehman now face Ashwin and Bhaji.... I am deing to see dhoni using bhaji aur yuvi in 2nd over of the match :P

Posted by Selassie-I on (November 12, 2012, 15:06 GMT)

This si an article about Ashwin's comments.. how are people interpriting it as an excuse from the England camp?! What should they do when a reporter asks a question ina press conference, just get up and walk off? whatever anyone seems to say fans deem arrogance or excuse! If he's asked about the lack of spin bowling(Less than 11% i read somwhere in the practice games I think) what's he supposed to say? I thought there was a bit too much!? I think why this is of an issue, this time, is that in warm up games the national management/board don't dictate tactics to the team. I have no problem with this of course, i'm sure it will become the norm sooner or later, favours have to be returned.

Also i'm getting pretty bored with people coming up with 'new deliveries'! even if it does exsist there really is no need to pull it out for us Ashwin, as soon as we see one turn a bit, the straight one will be enough to do for us!

Posted by S-A-M-1994 on (November 12, 2012, 14:53 GMT)


Posted by Charlie101 on (November 12, 2012, 14:50 GMT)

The question will be if the Indian spinners can build the kind of pressure which the Pakistani spinners managed . Ajmal is head and shoulders the best spinner in the world at the moment and he was backed up very well by Rehman , Hafeez and the review system . As an English supporter I hope Ashwin and Ojha / Yuvraj can not build that kind of pressure especially as the DRS is not available. I think the series will be close and the pressure is really on India in their back yard to perform and dominate especially after the Aus and England fiascos.

Posted by pirki on (November 12, 2012, 14:46 GMT)

Ashwin, Mendis and Narine anre very good bowlers of T20 and somewhat one little bit good against bangladesh newzealand nad Zimbawe. I don't think that ashwin will have a very big impact on this series. He may a odd 5 for but will concede a handful of runs. Main thing is his Strike rate which will be very high. For me yadev would be most effective bowler for india. BIG NOTE ! absence of DRS will cost atleast 5 wickets to ashwin. bring the DRS series is INDIA's otherwise series is up for the grab for England if they play little bit of sensable cricket. their positive approach is showing us that they are very cofident then they were in UAE and LANKA.

Posted by 2.14istherunrate on (November 12, 2012, 14:42 GMT)

We have to say we have developed new types of swing-something perhaps which will gain height through the air and then dip vertically and sit on the pitch.

Posted by jjamie15 on (November 12, 2012, 14:37 GMT)

India will win the series, let me make that clear. However, if you believe that Ashwin (or any other sinner who features in the series) is anywhere near on the same level with Ajmal you are deluded. He'lll take wickets but I don't think he'll have the impact of Ajmal It won't be 4-0. In the UAE England didn't prepare properly, didn't do their homework on the pitches (which were skiddier - it wasn't the spin that did the batsmen, it was the ball that skids on). Indian pitches are much slower than in the UAE. They will spin more, but Cook, Bell, KP, Patel are used to - and can play - spin on slow, turning pitches. Indian will win - they obviously have far more experience, an established captain and top class batsmen. But let me throw this in the mix. We've talked at length about how England can't play spin. Are we convinced that Sehwag, Gambhir, ST (who's been bowled numerous times recently) and Dhoni are comfortable against 90mph pace?

Only time will tell. I predict 2-1 India.

Posted by PadMarley on (November 12, 2012, 14:34 GMT)

oh honey ! this is so funny! Dude, if you have a mystery ball, cut the crap and use it! what more mystery is left in spin bowling to be uncovered?? its all been out there with Warnies, Muralies, Ajmal's, Saqlains and Mendis' ..so, what does your mystery ball do lol? decent orthodox spin is enough to win against England anyway.. lol

Posted by Ross_Co on (November 12, 2012, 14:31 GMT)

And all the while, from half a world away - from Brisbane - the toll of a bell. Do not ask for whom the bell tolls 'England', it tolls for thee. DOOM...DOOM...DOOM...DOOM.

Posted by   on (November 12, 2012, 14:23 GMT)

Ashwin can take 80 wickets (10*2 innings*4 matches ) with his hands tied behind and blindfolded, let alone a mystery ball .. HAA HAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Posted by jonesy2 on (November 12, 2012, 14:22 GMT)

he has enough tricks to make england crumble anyway.

Posted by Bruisers on (November 12, 2012, 14:20 GMT)

English batsmen couldn't middle a single ball in the WT20 match against the Indian spinners Harbhajan and Chawla (2 of the worst spinners in India today). Against Ashwin and Ojha, they sure will sweat it out. Happy Diwali, by the way. The fireworks are yet to begin :)

Posted by Shridharan.S on (November 12, 2012, 14:06 GMT)

England will be troubled by spin and they will be beaten 4-0 by India.

Posted by gsingh7 on (November 12, 2012, 13:45 GMT)

good mind games(ala SAF) to mess up and panic English camp, some already wud have started practicing spin after reading about ashwin new mystery ball,

Posted by ladycricfan on (November 12, 2012, 13:43 GMT)

Confuse England with spin and more spin, off the pitch, on the pitch, lack of it, plenty of it. Can't wait fot the real tests to start.

Posted by yoohoo on (November 12, 2012, 13:41 GMT)

@ravikb - frankly WI are much better players of spin then Eng, and if Ashwin-Ojha were so successful against WI then I think they should do even better against Eng.

Posted by suraj71 on (November 12, 2012, 13:33 GMT)

no need to find a new ball ashwin.... they cant handle any kind of spin...not even yuvraj's :P

Posted by MurtazaMak on (November 12, 2012, 13:28 GMT)

Sounds to me like England are already preparing an excuse...well they have been since the start of this tour. It's India's decision which team to play, where to play, who to play and what pitches to make. I am a Pakistani but I see nothing wrong with India preparing a dusty old spinning track and playing 5 spinners if they want to. I don't see Australia, South Africa and England preparing wickets and giving us 'ideal' preparation for when subcontinental sides tour them, then why are Asian sides always compelled to do so? Who said seeming tracks are the way ahead? they struggle in the subcontinent as much (if not more) as we do when we play on seeming and bouncing tracks. Having said that I'd love to see England win. They are my second side after Pakistan of course!! Come on England!!

Posted by   on (November 12, 2012, 13:28 GMT)

If my boss said to take time off before my next project, I'd assume he meant to permanently take time off. What is this with 'resting'? There is time between series/tours when I am sure down-time is possible.

Posted by ssenthil on (November 12, 2012, 13:21 GMT)

I think Ashwin carrom ball is good enough for England batsman apart from his stock off spin. He has also leg spin but he bowls that with a slightly different action which he has not used so far in Tests but seen that a lot in limited overs cricket when he comes around the wicket and bowls leg spin. Think England in fear already as they have started to saying excuses such as they faced little spin and they played in flat tracks but little they know most Indian tracks are conductive for Batsman unless there is a quality bowling unit come up against. Ashwin at home is always big threat for any visiting team even without that mystery ball.

Posted by Sakthiivel on (November 12, 2012, 13:20 GMT)

Good explanation from English, we have Mushtaq to train spin so we have no problem with spin but we have some problem with Ajmal, Abdur Rehman, Rangana Herath. What a Joke ? I also think Ashwin have no need to introduce new delivery to spin fearing england. What he posses now is more than enough.

Posted by Sobhan_Sachinfan on (November 12, 2012, 13:13 GMT)

Ajmal is very good bowler. Lucky to him, there are no proper batters now-a-days except for sloggers. Ashwin has to walk miles before to be considered as a match winner like Anil Kumble.

Posted by CaptainCharlie on (November 12, 2012, 13:00 GMT)

The only mystery in Indian spin bowlers is lack of basics, flight, turn and big heart. Nothing else period

Posted by Dashgar on (November 12, 2012, 12:43 GMT)

Mystery ball? He can't get any of his balls off the straight unless the pitch is a pile of dust. Try to master one delivery before you try to bowl four or five different ones. Ashwin is shooting himself in the foot if he really has put in time to work on another variation.

Posted by Arrow011 on (November 12, 2012, 12:36 GMT)

The mystrey ball is a mystrey for all but these mind games played by Warnie & Ajmal have proved to be a massive success so Ashwin is only aping a successful mantra. Warnie's was the most hilarious, he used to say his bowl will back-spin in the pitch, waiting for that ball in the entire ashes England badly lost that series. Ajmal's teesra was turned out be a mythical ball & now Ashwin's mystrey. These tall claims have given the bowlers lot more wickets than they usually get in a series + lot more TV replays & win for the team, so it is a good way to go. Good Luck Ashwin, hope you really produce the mystrey ball.

Posted by gnanzcupid on (November 12, 2012, 12:35 GMT)

Let the Batsmen do the talking with their batting. English team will be DEMORALISED by the end of this tour.They will wake up with nightmares every morning,midnight or anytime they sleep for the rest of their lives.Ash is TOO MUCH FOR ENGLAND to survive.Lets wait n watch

Posted by FreddyForPrimeMinister on (November 12, 2012, 12:35 GMT)

I'm pleased to see that Richard Halsall found this as funny as I did. Ashwin is nothing more than a very capable spinner (and a useful tail end batsman). The only mystery will be finding out if England's talented but psychologically fragile batting line-up can even cope with a mere capable spinner on turning wickets...

Posted by Sarthak1305 on (November 12, 2012, 12:34 GMT)

What mystery delivery can u have? either u can turn it towards a right handed batsmen, make it leave the right handed batsmen or the top spin remaining variations are how quickly u send them down that however does not changes the way a batsmen plays these deliveries.

Posted by CrICkeeet on (November 12, 2012, 12:33 GMT)

YAH.... Ashwin made a new 'mystry' delivery and that is 'HOW TO GET A HUGE SIX' ha ha ha ha, nice joke

Posted by   on (November 12, 2012, 12:31 GMT)

What Swann does is...he bowls like a proper bowler...no doubt about his quality....

Posted by   on (November 12, 2012, 12:30 GMT)

n don't think iam too harsh on England because iam Indian .....its jst dat wen I saw enland in t20 belive me dats d worst (to say d least) batting I ever saw against spin... IT WAS LIKE watching a LAUGHTER show...man so pathetic...u ppl wil see dis at least 4 times out of 8 times in tests... but it wil be a treat to watch kp....

Posted by m_kamb on (November 12, 2012, 12:29 GMT)

first do work on how to spin the bowl.

Posted by AMAZINGFAN on (November 12, 2012, 12:21 GMT)

he can bowl off-spinner,top spinner and carrom ball,but i want him to work on doosra which means he will keep batsmen guessing......an ordinary spinner like ajmal troubled english batsmen with doosra .....

Posted by VJGS on (November 12, 2012, 12:21 GMT)

@zan_69, you are right. But Ojha and he are the only specialits who can bowl with respectable figures for India at the moment

Posted by   on (November 12, 2012, 12:20 GMT)

ashwin u don't need any other delivery ....jst bowl ur conventional deliveries.....dat wil more den enough for eng.... nomatter how much dey claim dey r stil weeaakestttt test playing nation against spin. n u ppl wil see how eng batsmen wil be puzzled against spin... n at d same tym swan wil feel what is so special in des indian spiners dat I'm struggling to get evn singl wicket whereas des magicles spinners r getting wickets in bundles...

Posted by Cricketfan08 on (November 12, 2012, 12:17 GMT)

So England are only troubled by mystery spinner Ajmal and conventional left arm spinners like Rangana and Abdul-Rehman. Ashwin has a point to prove :)

Posted by ravikb on (November 12, 2012, 12:15 GMT)

Ajmal said he has developed a 'theesra' before England series in UAE but did not bowl a single delivery through out the series. It's just to create some doubts in the batsmen's mind. But England needn't worry about Ashwin's claims. He is just an average bowler with loads of wickets against poor teams like WI and NZ at home.

Posted by CricketMaan on (November 12, 2012, 12:14 GMT)

What is the need of mystery if you can pick wickets by turning the ball. I recollct what Erapalli Prasanna and Shane Warne stated. Young kids taking to spin bowling should 'SPIN' the ball, whether you do it towards or away is your choice, but as defenition says, just spin that is all you need. Its enough to trouble any batsman and when you add pace variation which is more than handy. Ashwin's height too is an advantage. just make use of pace, length and spin. That should leave any English batsman searching for runs. Jalaj Saxsena is the next in line, and if has a good Ranji season and couple of good A tours might put pressure on Ashwin.

Posted by Cricketfan08 on (November 12, 2012, 12:14 GMT)

lol..They are playing with the Englishmens head same way like Pakistan did. Ashwin is trying to copy Ajmal and Warne..See this article http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan-v-england-2012/content/story/548993.html

Posted by itsthewayuplay on (November 12, 2012, 12:03 GMT)

Mystery delivery? Sounds like Duncan Fletcher at work. If the coach could also get the Ashwin work on his orthodox deliveries and the other bowlers to understand the concept of line and length that would be useful. A lot of talk about spin this and spin that but Fin was outstanding with the white ball in India last year. Only poor fielding denied him more wickets and pressure being put on the India batting. If he's 100% fit and bowls, I can see Sehwag who doesn't have the technique and Gambhir and Yuvraj who don't have the temperament for pace and bounce being done in by some chin music.

Posted by zan_69 on (November 12, 2012, 12:00 GMT)

lol............Ashwin is just a normal spinner :-)

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