England in India 2012-13

No swap in venue for second India-England Test

ESPNcricinfo staff

November 19, 2012

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BCCI sources have indicated that that the second Test between India and England will go ahead, as scheduled, in Mumbai. There were concerns that the Test, which starts on Friday, might be moved to Kolkata following the death of the politician and Shiv Sena founder Bal Thackeray.

England fans heading to Mumbai for the second Test awoke to conjecture that a switch of venues could be considered in the wake of the death of Thackeray, a dominant political figure in the city, as thousands of extra police patrolled the streets to ensure order.

Mumbai was slowly getting back to normal on Monday, after the cremation of Thackeray the previous day, as the Shiv Sena clarified that it had not called for a bandh - a period of inactivity - in his honour.

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Posted by McGorium on (November 20, 2012, 19:20 GMT)

[I've disabled facebook's access to external sites so I can't see names of facebook posters. Apologies for not using your names in my replies]: The Ghaziabad example might be flawed because Ranji ticket prices are way lower than test (maybe that's part of the problem). The plain truth of the matter is that test cricket has (and will have) a very small audience compared to ODI's or T20's in India. I suspect (i.e. no empirical data) that a significant proportion of *test* cricket fans are middle-class. Probabilistically, large population centers such as big metros are most likely to have interested audiences in sufficient number to fill a stadium. Mohali or Nagpur simply don't fit that bill; there just isn't enough critical mass. Jharkhand or JK can, and will produce test cricketers. Until it has a sufficiently large test viewership, however, giving them tests is unfair on other venues that patronize it. Perhaps cutting ticket prices might change things; I state this on current status

Posted by   on (November 20, 2012, 18:05 GMT)

Well Scratchingtendulkar, I saw the first test at Brisbane between Aus and SA, top two teams in the world and most of the stadium was empty. I saw all the tests when India toured Aus last year and in all the test matches there were hardly 5K-10K people and this is Australia one of the top cricket nation, it might be different in England but that might be just one country, everywhere else test cricket hardly attracts any crowd specially not compared to the sports I mentioned in my post. Further my point was mostly towards - "Diminished Crowds is a world wide problems...", it is not a world wide problem because people come and watch other sports - NFL, Soccer, MLB or NBA.

Posted by Tlotoxl on (November 20, 2012, 15:36 GMT)

Nampally: the problem with Cricket and Test cricket in particular is the chronic lack of willingness to move in to the 20th century let alone the 21st, coming off for "bad light" when there are floodlights on, waiting for hours and hours after it stops raining to start play again, slow over rates, high ticket prices - it is all a toxic mix driving crowd away from the Stadia.

Posted by Scratchingtendulkar on (November 20, 2012, 9:08 GMT)

@Neeraj Khanna. Your statement is wrong, as test cricket crowds are thriving in some countries. In England, most test matches are sold out months in advance (at least forthe first 4 days), particularly when the 'big boys' Australia or South Africa tour. It is the ODI's and meaningless T20's that tend to be easier to buy tickets for.

Posted by   on (November 20, 2012, 7:00 GMT)

@Nampally "Diminished Crowds is a world wide problems now due to game being available on TV & poor Marketing of the games." You are absolutely wrong, it is the Test cricket which can't draw people to stadiums, it is not the problem with other sports like NFL, Soccer, Baseball or NBA. Every NFL game is sold out and infact Packers fans are on waiting list for more than 10 years to get a regular price ticket. Baseball teams generally draw 35000 people every day and they play 162 games per season. So it is just Test cricket problem not the world wide problem.

Posted by   on (November 20, 2012, 4:02 GMT)

@McGorium,India need not do what Australia and England have done.It's in the interest of Indian cricket to spread test cricket to all parts of the country.We have come a long way since the days of big cities' hegemony o'er the game in India.The game is being played in earnest by boys from Tripura,Jharkhand,J&K and other such states that do not have a long tradition of cricket;on their day they can give the history rich teams a run for their money.While this has happened,in part due to successful commercialization of the game in India,and the ubiquitous cable,some credit must also go to the rotation policy that has seen the game go to different parts of the country,rather than sit in a few old stadiums feeling smug about history. Smaller venues too can bring good crowds;the first round of Ranji games had a match at Ghaziabad being watched by a crowd 15,000 enthusiastic fans;with international sides playing and good facilities one can expect a lot more than 15,000.

Posted by McGorium on (November 20, 2012, 3:01 GMT)

@Avoidingwork:NE monsoon doesn't affect Bombay :) Madras and Blr, you're probably right, especially during December-Feb. I don't know if it's heavy enough in Blr to wash out entire days' worth of play, but fair point. I was generally alluding to this habit of the BCCI of awarding test matches to grounds based on zones rather than public patronage. If winter rains are expected in the south, play games in Calcutta (after the cyclone season), Bombay (Brabourne or Wankhede), or Delhi. It makes no sense playing to empty stadiums in Cuttack, Kanpur, Nagpur, Hyderabad, etc. if people don't show up, and more importantly, people in other places who will show up are being deprived of the opportunity. ODI's and T20's in India almost always play to full houses regardless of where it's being played, so makes sense IMHO to keep tests to venues that patronize them

Posted by Nampally on (November 19, 2012, 19:17 GMT)

@McGorium: You are right in your backing for Test Centres attracting big crowds. At one time Calcutta used to attract routinely a crowd of 90,000. Recent Ahmadabad Test match had very poor crowd from TV pictures. I think it might have been <5,000!. Most of the Stands were empty. Madras (Chennai) as well as Bangalore are great places where Cricket is still popular. Delhi is not a good place for the crowds anymore. Also the gate prices should be reasonable to induce people to go to watch the game along with all other facilities such as clean toilets, cheaply available snacks & transportation to the ground & back. Gate prizes will also be an incentive. Diminished Crowds is a world wide problems now due to game being available on TV & poor Marketing of the games.

Posted by   on (November 19, 2012, 18:44 GMT)

Those who are shouting Panesar, he has a terrible record against India and all sub continent teams. He may be little bit better than Samit Patel as bowler - but Samit has an edge in batting. He just got unlucky in both the innings.

Posted by ProdigyA on (November 19, 2012, 14:47 GMT)

satish619 - you say stop the run and attack relentlessly? Contradictions in the same line. If you want to attack all the time you have to set attacking fields which will mean more mean around the bat and thus more scoring opportunities. If you want to stem the flow of run then you need a defensive field. An inside-out feild is neither full attack or full defense. So if you have any other idea, pls share it with us, im sure every captain in the world would like to know that.

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