India v England, 2nd Test, Mumbai, 3rd day

Pietersen, Panesar put England on victory course

The Report by David Hopps

November 25, 2012

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India 327 and 117 for 7 (Gambhir 53*, Panesar 5-61) lead England 413 (Pietersen 186, Cook 122, Ojha 5-143) by 31 runs
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Kevin Pietersen celebrates his hundred, India v England, 2nd Test, Mumbai, 2nd day, November 25, 2012
Kevin Pietersen followed Alastair Cook with his 22nd Test hundred © BCCI
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Kevin Pietersen played one of the great Test innings to leave England scenting victory in the second Test during a day of high drama in Mumbai. Pietersen bestrode the first two sessions with a brilliant 186 and England's spinners did not waste the opportunity he had provided as Graeme Swann and Monty Panesar terrorised India's second innings in turn.

Rarely has a Test of any era had such an emphasis upon spin bowling, and the result has been a compelling contest. India will start the fourth day precariously placed with a 31-run lead and three second innings remaining. Swann and Panesar, yet to win a Test in tandem for England in eight attempts, proved themselves at least the equals of India's spinners. However, there is just a glimmer of hope for India: England will not chase any fourth-innings total above 100 with certainty.

This was a historic day as Pietersen and Alastair Cook both equalled the record for most England Test centuries, it was an enthralling day of virtually perpetual spin, it even had an element of controversy in the dismissal of Jonny Bairstow, but it largely swooned in the presence of the batting genius of Pietersen, who unveiled one of his most exceptional innings for England, 186 from 233 balls on a wickedly turning pitch, an innings played with utter conviction, awash with moments of rare skill.

The quality of his innings - and, in a different key, that of Cook - was emphasised by what followed. England's tail collapsed in quick time and then India caved in in turn, only Gautam Gambhir gamely assembling an unbeaten half-century. Panesar and Swann outbowled their India counterparts on this occasion, even if the difference was overstated because of Pietersen's brilliance, with Panesar's extra pace making him a particularly challenging proposition on a surface where he could also turn the ball markedly.

Nearly eight overs elapsed before England, holding a lead of 86, made an impression, Panesar drawing Virender Sehwag cagily forward and Swann taking a catch at gully. Cheteshwar Pujara, England's scourge, was caught at short leg off an inside edge as Swann followed suit in the next over.

The stage was set for what might prove to be Sachin Tendulkar's final Test innings in Mumbai, but there was no heroic script, no summoning of powers of old. Tendulkar survived a stumping appeal off Panesar by a whisker as his back foot momentarily lifted and was then late on his shot against Panesar to be lbw.

Was it the pressure, or merely carelessness, which then caused Virat Kohil to mistime a full toss from Swann horribly to mid-off where the substitute, Joe Root, held his nerve? Yuvraj Singh followed off the glove to short leg; MS Dhoni, a captain who had demanded turning surfaces to expose England, found himself exposed as he edged Panesar to slip. A breathless third day ended with R Ashwin's failed attempts at adventure and a skied catch to Samit Patel at extra cover.

Panesar has 10 wickets in the match to date, the first time an England spinner has done that since Hedley Verity in the 1930s. His quicker pace than India's slow left-armer, Ojha, on a pitch where both could find substantial turn, made him a more difficult proposition.

But as the dust settled - and there was lots of it - the emphasis remained with Pietersen. This was an innings of daring and presumption, one that could only be played by a batsman of great talent and even greater ego. India's spinners waited for the storm to abate in the knowledge that only when it did normal life could be resumed.

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  • Kevin Pietersen's 186 is the third-highest score by an England batsman in India. It is also the highest score by an England batsman in Mumbai surpassing Graeme Hick's 178 in 1993.
  • Pietersen and Alastair Cook, who scored 122, now have 22 centuries each and are joint-highest on the list of England batsmen with the most centuries.
  • The 206-run stand between Pietersen and Cook is the third-highest third-wicket stand for England against India and and the highest such stand in Tests in India.
  • Pietersen's strike rate of 79.82 is the sixth-highest for a 100-plus score by an England batsman against India. It is also the third-highest strike rate for Pietersen in away Tests (100-plus knocks only).
  • The century is Pietersen's tenth score of 150 or more in Tests. He is now joint-highest with Wally Hammond and Len Hutton on the list of England batsmen with the most 150-plus scores.
  • Cook became only the fifth England batsman to score two or more centuries in a Test series in India.
  • Monty Panesar's 10 for 190 is the second-best match haul for an England spinner against India. The best is Hedley Verity's 11 for 153 in 1934.
  • The lowest target successfully defended in Mumbai is 107 by India against Australia in 2004. India went on to win the game by 13 runs.

Pietersen's hundred was achieved with a reverse sweep against Harbhajan Singh, outrageous, yes, but caressed with such composure there was not the merest hint of excess. For his 150, he performed an exceptional pick-up over mid wicket off Pragyan Ojha. There was also an extraordinary loft over cover for six against Ojha, which he deposited there as if in a dream.

Ohja finally got his man, drawing a lavish drive which he nicked to the wicketkeeper, and when it was all over, and Pietersen fell, utterly fulfilled, England's last five wickets fell for 31 in nine overs as the spinners restored the natural order of things, just as houses and shops are repaired and reopened after a storm has left town

England's collapse was quickened by the soft run out of Matt Prior, who half-attempted a stolen offside single and was then sent back by Stuart Broad, Dhoni's rapid retrieve and throw beating his desperate dive for the crease. The rest fell quickly, with Harbhajan nipping in for two tail-end wickets and Panesar slogging Ashwin to deep midwicket. Perhaps he was desperate to get the ball in his hands.

The stand of 206 in 53 overs between Pietersen and Cook moved them alongside Wally Hammond, Colin Cowdrey and Geoffrey Boycott with 22 Test hundreds. Even if one India fielder looking on, Tendulkar, had the right to remark that they had barely started, the sense of achievement was palpable in a year that has brought England little joy.

Such achievements are years in the making, and they have been reached by two very different individuals following two very different routes, but they came within two overs of each other on a sunny Sunday morning in Mumbai.

Cook reached his hundred with a perfectly fashioned off drive against Harbhajan, lips licked in anticipation as he leant into the shot with such poise that when his career ends a representation of the shot should rightly stand alongside Henry Moore's Old Flo. Pietersen would be better celebrated with a dance song, complete with laser show.

Cook, who continued his unparalleled record of hundreds in four successive Tests as captain, fell for 122, 35 minutes before lunch, caught at the wicket by Dhoni as Ashwin found turn and bounce. Cook and Pietersen, introvert and extrovert, loyalist and rebel, had been at the peak of their game.

India took the second new ball immediately upon Cook's dismissal and they struck again on the stroke of lunch as Bairstow, controversially, became Ojha's third victim as he tried to work him against the spin into the leg side and got a leading edge to Gambhir at silly point. England felt they had a case that Bairstow should have been reprieved on the grounds that the ball had struck the grille of Gambhir's helmet.

England's director of cricket, Andy Flower, approached the match referee, Roshan Mahanama, to ask for the decision to be reversed, but as Bairstow had left the field of play, the decision could only be withdrawn if India's captain, Dhoni, withdrew his appeal. Dhoni, with the support of his coach, Duncan Fletcher, chose not to do so. By the close of a remarkable day, it all seemed quite inconsequential.

David Hopps is the UK editor of ESPNcricinfo

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Posted by Mina_Anand on (November 26, 2012, 16:55 GMT)

@landl47 you seem to have completely missed the point. And yes, as a lawyer, I have read the whole law. Do read it again properly.

The phrase "ball has previously touched a protective helmet " in the second line of Rule 3-e must be read only with the first line of this rule, and not in isolation. Which means - if the ball has first touched the protective helmet and then touched the ' umpire', 'another fielder' or 'other batsman', it is not a fair catch. Here we are talking about a fair catch only in the context of the ball touching the 'umpire, other batsman or another fielder'. Therefore, the second line of Rule 3-e should be read in context with the first sentence of Rule 3-e, and not in isolation.

Posted by SuperSharky on (November 26, 2012, 10:14 GMT)

Another brilliant cricket series. Great classic cricket played so far. The 3rd Test will be very interesting.

Posted by JG2704 on (November 26, 2012, 6:41 GMT)

Genuinely nice to see some Indian commentors (some of who I've not noticed before) giving England some respect while being self critical of their own side. Some leopards seems will never change their spots but full respect to those who are giving England credit.

Posted by JG2704 on (November 26, 2012, 6:35 GMT)

@maddy20 on (November 25 2012, 21:16 PM GMT) Good to see you are as generous in defeat as you are in victory there.

Posted by A_Vacant_Slip on (November 26, 2012, 6:23 GMT)

People calling of India "backbone" and India "winning for a decade". Winning what? Winning where? England are not a great team no-one said they were only India fan imagine it in order to cut England down. But if you think India are a great side now or have been in the past then you are deluded. A great side ought to be able to go to South Africa and Australia and win series. India never did this - so what make India fan think they have or had "great" side, eh? And if you think that South Africa beating England in England mean that the India V England whitewash didn't happen or doesn't count then this 10 wicket beating that England hand India today in India prove you are wrong. If you are talking about backbone then have a look at England V Australia Brisbane 2010. Greatness is not built on home record only. India maybe good at home but that doesn't make them great. Time for India follower to wake up and accept that India are really not that great only great in India follower mind.

Posted by Nathan_R_Patrick on (November 26, 2012, 5:38 GMT)

Sachin, mate, why are you embarrassing yourself further? Have you not learnt anything from Dravid or Laxman's graceful exit? It seems like, a genius in one area is not necessarily a genius in another. You still missed out on lot of important life lessons. The blame goes to all your mentors in your own safety network. They babysit you too much. You love the feeling and don't want to stand up and do something all by yourself. Sad to see a 40-yr old man, even after having fathered 2 kids, prefers to act like a baby and struggles to make important decisions. And what is up with otherwise brash Sandeep Patil? Is he one of Sachin's babysitter too? Sunny, Ravi, Sanjay .. are you guys listening? You need to take Sachin out for dinner tonight after the loss and teach him a lesson or three. Is 50th test century that important? Even if it means losing all the reputation Sachin built for himself so far? If so, it couldn't be any better time for him to finish with a ton at Wankhede and quit.

Posted by bumpu on (November 26, 2012, 5:26 GMT)

By the way, we can take a lesson from the SA book. Look at how they are fighting to save the Adelaide Test!! Well played England...Cook, Pietersen and that irrepressible sardar Monty Panesar!!!

Posted by bumpu on (November 26, 2012, 5:21 GMT)

Serious questions on the composition of the team need to be asked. What was Harbhajan's role in the team? If he was given only 21 overs to bowl against 40 apiece from the two other spinners, it reflects on the Captain's confidence in him. Not that he bowled with any great cricketing sense!! Searching questions need to be answered as to why certain batsmen are in the team...and I am not talking about Tendulkar alone. Oh for a Laxman and a Dravid in the team....asking for too much???

Posted by Romenevans on (November 26, 2012, 5:08 GMT)

In the next match We'll see Sir. Ravindra Jadeja making his test debut because Dhoni likes that Jadeja also likes to ride speedy bikes.

Posted by CricShanghai on (November 26, 2012, 5:07 GMT)

Well done, England! You'd played well and a great come back after the defeat in 1st test. KP, Swann and Panesar played fabulously, somehow, many have mentioned, as if the Indian bowlers were bowling on a different strip this test! Looking forward to the next test now that it's even!...

Posted by   on (November 26, 2012, 5:02 GMT)

I think this the END of DHONI in test cricket. He's nothing to contribute in the longest format of the game. His batting form is terrible, his wicketkeeping has gone down and his Captaincy is AWFUL.....

Posted by ajithabey on (November 26, 2012, 4:51 GMT)

26 wickets out of 30 falling to spinners from both sides.Wow! what a test match pitch in mumbai england should cruise through to level the series.

Posted by   on (November 26, 2012, 4:50 GMT)

So at the end of the 2nd Ind innings it seems like Ojha was the opening batsman who was trying to make runs and Gambhir was just giving more strike to Ojha. Gambhir didn't even try to make runs maybe he's more worried about his average then the chance for India to win the match. Horrible selfish bating by Gambhir in the end.

Posted by shayad on (November 26, 2012, 4:50 GMT)

This is only trailor movie is COMING SOON.. gambhir technical error sehwag no value of his wicket pujara ok everone is saying nxt wall but i already saw him in SA so time will tell Sir Sachin Tendulkar ....No Words.......... V Kohli gifted player but in test case maybe nxt rohit sharma Yuvraj good for short format 8 years in test arenaa still trying to learn Dhoni ...what i will say best captain best keeper best batsman nothing is fit for him ganguly made the team kumble improved and what he did nothing for bowler less say is better the test cricket end for team india after dravid and laxman

Posted by KukaSekhon on (November 26, 2012, 4:40 GMT)

Disgusting system of having heros than the team, that's why India is loosing. We have god,nawab,captain cool..lol. They are beaten by England yet again after the last tour. Its utterly ddisgusting I think Dhoni, Sachin should be fire. Sehwag and Gambhir should be put on notice. Perform and Perish. In bowling send Bhajji, Ashwin back to 1st Class level. Bring in a more young team. It's better to lose with players of futures than to persist with the past. Dhoni should be fired from Test Captaincy.

Posted by fjurang on (November 26, 2012, 4:39 GMT)

I would repeat and repeat that the Indians selectors dont have the guts to drop Sachin Tendulkar Its simply disgrace to keep on playing him inspite of continuous failure consistently and depriving deserving players in the bench.

Posted by Romenevans on (November 26, 2012, 4:31 GMT)

BTW did anybody tell Johnny Bairstaw that he look like a clown with those "Wannabe a grown up" look alike mustache?

Posted by bhrangi on (November 26, 2012, 4:30 GMT)

As an INDIAN fan, i underrated England team, what an innings from Cook and KP. Congratulations. I want Indian team to come back strong at 3 rd test. And MSD am a huge fan of yours, instead of complaining about the pitches please get some runs and be aggressive captain.

Posted by azeesajid on (November 26, 2012, 4:20 GMT)

now indian fans would have better understand england who are talking about white wash to england. Now they are at threat of loosing the series to england. for their so called captain showing sportsman spirit at some occasion when indai was in commanding position but yesterday when it was real test of his to show such was clearly unable to do..

Posted by   on (November 26, 2012, 4:15 GMT)

Exposing the true nature of Indian batsmen. Whenever there is something for bowlers (pace or spin) in any pitch, they just become totally useless. This is a pitch custom made for them and their request and they are struggling big time. They can only play in placid batting track and no where else. BCCI should look into these first rather than finding ways to make big bucks.

Posted by sfarazi on (November 26, 2012, 4:15 GMT)

It's a treat to watch Alastair Cook bat! A pretty interesting game ahead so hopefully England wrap things up fast!

Posted by gitapat on (November 26, 2012, 4:06 GMT)

Tendulkar should gracefully retire before the selectors drop him.

Posted by   on (November 26, 2012, 3:59 GMT)

Dear Mr. Tendulkar,

the more you play, more i think that you played for stats. what is the next milestone you are waiting for? is it the 200 test matches ?

are you going to score any runs or are you going to spoil all the love and adulation that you have received in the past 23 yrs. why didnt you retire when you were in your prime ?

now that you cant, atleast score some runs and leave. i am fed up up of watching you get out without scoring.

Your fan to the core.

Posted by Siddiee on (November 26, 2012, 3:55 GMT)

Well played England, their spin attack was definitely better than ours and they showed why. I dont agree with the arguments of what is a better pace on this pitch to bowl as every bowler has his own style and should stick to it, personally i felt that Indian spinners were not consistent/patient enough to bowl on one area and field placement didnt help allowing easy singles. On the other hand we could see how England spinners had a chance to bowl 6 deliveries to one batsman. Other than bowling I would like to point out that no Indian batsmen barring Ashwin (in his brief stint and I could see minty and swann pulling their length a bit) took on the spinners by coming down the track and scoring some shots to try and make monty/swann think differently. Overall a good test match pitch and may the better team (England) win.

Posted by tests_the_best on (November 26, 2012, 3:55 GMT)

@A_Vacant_Slip on (November 25 2012, 20:06 PM GMT): You think India didn't have a backbone based on 2 recent whitewashes while conveniently ignoring a decade-long solidity by some of the best players of all time in all conditions? Would you adopt a similar theory and claim that eng don't have a backbone based on just the 3-0 whitewash in uae and even worse 2-0 drubbing at home against sa? Reputations and "backbones" are not built on 1 or 2 series, it's a years-long, even decade-long process.

Posted by sweetspot on (November 26, 2012, 3:51 GMT)

All this nonsense of Dhoni asking for a doctored pitch! Ugh! He asked for turn on day one. That's about it. He got that, and a few other challenges like his middle order continuing to bat badly. If he only went by a formula to beat England, he would have been happy with the pitch at Ahmedabad. But he wasn't. So cut him some slack. He's won enough to justify being captain of any Indian side.

Posted by   on (November 26, 2012, 3:28 GMT)

This proves once and for all that India cannot match Pakistan in the spin department ;)

Posted by   on (November 26, 2012, 3:22 GMT)

@piyo_thanda_jiyo_thanda If you have read my post, my comment hold true for test cricket only. 0-8 in away tests- in Sehwagism that is called performance like Bangladesh. And if that is not pathetic , I don't know what is. One dayers, T20 is a different story off course and Dhoni led to wins in world championships. In fact I think the England series debacle was partly due to Dhoni's negativity rather than the quality of bowling/ batting. There were moments where India were in decent positions only to squander them due to defensive tactics. I hope the selectors choose Sehwag as captain after this series. Regarding Ganguly- I don't think you can just count the number of wins to compare them. Recall how he won the respect of Aussies down under. Dhoni is a throwback to 90's when Azharuddin led to win in home tests and losing heavily outside subcontinent. He is taking Indian test cricket backwards IMO.

Posted by   on (November 26, 2012, 3:08 GMT)

Love Monty - looks like every ball is his first in cricket - love his enthusiasm delighted he got a 10 for ... but amazed that England would leave out Morgan. Their acknowledged key for 20/20 and 50 over game gets left out because of a problem with fast bowlers ... hmm maybe - but even if that logic is true - why wouldnt you play him here? Look at the collapse in his 6 spot and think again .... just no sense ...

Posted by   on (November 26, 2012, 2:55 GMT)

@vacant slip, moblue was absolutely correct with his stats! wonder where you are blowing with the distorted facts u mention. last year was a whitewash agreed, but prior to last year, india did win all those what moblue had said! and yes the fab four have done more than this bunch of english/indian players when they were at their peak. u shud read or see more , backbone isnt developed with one series,check what dravid and company did to teams around the world!

Posted by   on (November 26, 2012, 2:07 GMT)

You can not play with money what u earn in IPL.u need to perform on pitch.Indian team can not play out side India on bouncy pitch.how they can,t play on spinning track.DHONI is not good example of Captain.........they prepare turning pitch of England but.................well done Panesar

Posted by Vizag_Kiss on (November 26, 2012, 2:05 GMT)

This is the situation where the 4th INNINGS GOD should be there.. Miss You VVS.. In my view.. in this type of situations.. he will make a big difference between WIN & DEFEAT

India escaped INNINGS DEFEAT only because of Pujara & Aswin

What's the LEGENDS are doing????????

Posted by   on (November 26, 2012, 1:51 GMT)

I am an Indian. Definitely it will be heartbreaking to see India being beaten in their own backyard. But I definitely will appreciate the England players and I accept they played better cricket and are moving towards a well-deserved victory. Cook and Pietersen surely deserve to be praised. As far Indians what next? A defeat doesn't call for hysteria but introspection. We have to find out where things went wrong and look for a pragmatic approach which includes long term plans. Definitely this defeat can only do good for us. A home defeat can make us see deeper into our problems.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (November 26, 2012, 1:38 GMT)

Many, if not most, England fans were calling for Panesar's inclusion for this match and more than one India fan commented that he is no Shane Warne and should not be looked to as a saviour. Well, he is not the only reason that England are in a strong position here but he has had a major impact. The Indian batsman have so far made him look like Shane Warne. Even with this performance though, I still don't see him reclaiming the spot as England's #1 spinner. His games these days are always in helpful conditions and the question remains of whether he would be as effective as Swann in unhelpful conditions. When they both play together the captain (both Strauss and Cook) has chosen to bowl Monty more. That would in part be due to the prevalence of right-handed batsmen but I wonder whether it is also a case of trying to put less stress on Swann's elbow when there is a genuine alternative to bowl lots of overs.

Posted by 3Cents on (November 26, 2012, 1:38 GMT)

And then there is Cook. This guy, after that Brisbane innings and his turn around in Aus, I knew is headed for greatness. He will be the all time great English Cricketer and in my view is most likely the best batsman of this decade 2010-2020 (I am assuming cricinfo is going to give out that award, just as they did for Punter for the firs decade). He is an amazing cricketer, more like Dravid, in the sense his game is built entirely on his mental strength. But unlike, Dravid, I think Cook is more relaxed (he seems to be enjoying his captaincy on what is indeed a difficult assignment) and that will take him to those rarified heights he is capable of. Fortunately, unlike Dravid, he doesn't have to live in the shadow of another great like Sachin which robbed Dravid of his recognition and did not let him fully flourish. KP (while he lasts) is a better complement for Cook and I am really looking forward to see him cook some innings of outstanding character and grit in times to come. Go Cookie

Posted by 3Cents on (November 26, 2012, 1:29 GMT)

I am a Cricket Fan, who is Indian. Yesterday I think, we saw something special. Two outstanding innings from two outstanding players. KP is a real special talent. He is a mix of Viru/VVS and more, in that he plays those High Impact innings (very fast scoring rate) ala Viru and in High Pressure situations ala VVS as if he is playing on a different pitch. And he is more consistent than either of them. But still, purely from a records perspective, KP will fall short of all those big numbers that others before him have racked up. But like VVS, KP belongs to the category of Very Special players whose brilliance leaves all those watching it with that rare feeling, that specialness that we become part of and will remember it 20yrs from now, not as numbers and records but simply as that extraordinary feeling! Hats off KP!!!

Posted by hnlns on (November 26, 2012, 1:21 GMT)

Now MS Dhoni must explain how correct he is in asking for doctored pitches turning from day one. This tactic has boomeranged in the past and it is the same now. Once again, all big names have miserably flopped in coping with the turn and bounce. Monty Panesar has come from nowhere and put England on the verge of a very very good win here. India can only take heart from the fact that England have been shot out for scores around 50 twice in the last few years, still it would be hard for India to get out of the jail here. Only a target of more than 100 would put India back in the reckoning.

Posted by 2.14istherunrate on (November 26, 2012, 1:09 GMT)

With a bit of luck this will be over in an hour. I think the wicket has been outrageous fun. We see so much seam bowling that this is a treat as a spectacle-so long as we do ok. Brilliant play from England day 3.

Posted by   on (November 26, 2012, 0:47 GMT)

It looks like there is a rift between Dhoni and Viru. How is that Dhoni did not try him when Petersen and Cook were going strong and front line bowlers were not getting wickets. Michael Clake used Rob Quinley(a part time bowler and has not got a wicket in test cricket) to get rid of centurion Graham Smith in the current match played between Aus vs SA. Dhoni lacks imagination. He has been lucky all of his life time. Get rid of him for the sake of Indian cricket

Posted by piyo_thanda_jiyo_thanda on (November 26, 2012, 0:40 GMT)

@Arpan Banerjee - Dhoni is a "pathetic captain"? You know anything about cricket history? He is India's most successful captain across all forms of cricket (needs just 1 more test win to equal Ganguly's record for test wins, and in much fewer matches). India has always had talented players - why were they not able to win a damn thing before Dhoni came along? For all the hype and hoopla over Ganguly and his captaincy, how many tournaments was he able to win for India? Remember, India were called "chokers", and "collapso" (because of their ability to collapse under pressure) not so long ago. Dhoni has managed to change all that under his leadership. Sure there have been bad losses along the way, but no captain is immune to them. So just shut it, and think before posting comments.

Posted by TAPOREE on (November 26, 2012, 0:40 GMT)

Common sense is so important when putting the wishlist for a match. When Dhoni asked for a spinning wicket which could offer turn from the outset I was just wondering whether or not he analyzed the strength of English spin attack. Let us do a small comparability test between Indian spinners and English spinners. Indian spinners (and I am referring the current crop) never been able to dictate terms outside India. Whereas English spinners were bowling and bowling good on the non-spinner friendly pitches. Means where Indian spinners failed, English spinners were bowling good. So the common sense tells me that India does not need a wicket offering turn from day one because if played on any such wicket, India basically is inviting English spinners to the party from day one. And it is a dangerous ploy if opposition has better spinners than their own. In this test Dhoni's wish of spinning track was granted and...and...and end result English spinners grabbed 16 out f 17 Indian wickets.

Posted by motta_maadi_cricket_expert on (November 26, 2012, 0:28 GMT)

I am an Indian fan. This test match is a sad reflection of how the standards of Indian test cricket has dropped since 2008. When India challenged Australia down under with our fast bowlers bowling 140+ and rattling Aussies and our batsmen raked up hundreds to challenge Australia it seemed we are ascending to be no.1 for some time to come. But with the star batsmen aging/retiring, India has come down to be very average. Fair reflection of their ICC rating at #5 or #6. India have capable batsmen in Kohli and Pujara. But this team can never match up a in form rahul, sachin, vvs and sourav and the bowling of Kumble was sorely missed. I can bet that with the old batting line up and with Kumble in the side the result could have been very different. But for now, we have to acknowledge the superiority of this English team in conditions totally alien to them. Cook and Petersen have proved their ability and their spinners are far superior. England have the side to win this series.

Posted by   on (November 26, 2012, 0:26 GMT)

@Milhouse79. You are right. Harbhajan has lost it. He can't get wickets even in domestic matches anymore. So, is his benefactor, the great batsman Sachin. Both are past their prime. Both are in the national team, only because of sentiments rule over reason, for many of us in India. At least one would have thought the selectors will use more of rationale than sentimentality. Unfortunately that does not seem to be the case. ( Bhajji can bat a bit. Hope he would give company t Gambhir to build a decent partnership this morning, which Ashwin could have done, but for his --Ashwin's-- misplaced and untimely bravado, last evening)

Posted by zarasochozarasamjho on (November 26, 2012, 0:24 GMT)

India is a very weak team. Not so much that they lost all 4 and 3 tests against England and Australia respectively in a row; but more so because of the utter surrender in nearly all of these tests. Failure is not so bad if you lose trying. India simply didn't put up a fight and they started as number 1. England lost all 3 matches to Pakistan, immediately after their thrashing of India. But apart from the first test, they actually could have won the other 2. It was not a walk-over for Pakistan with their batsmen continuously failing. England had lost but not surrendered. Given this fact, an Indian win in this test series is NOT a foregone conclusion, although still the expected one. But England will fight and are most likely to level the series to 1-1 before the 3rd test.

Posted by Gizza on (November 26, 2012, 0:19 GMT)

No cricketer can keep up their good form forever. But when they lose form you expect others in the team to replace them. In other words having depth. Pujara and Ojha were bound to have off days. But India in the last 5 years have always been handicapped by selecting "superstars" who are either 1) past it (Tendulkar, probably Dhoni as far as captaincy is concerned) or selected on the basis of T20 (Yuvraj, Harbhajan). It is amazing that Pujara who has a good first-class record somehow managed to sneak into the team. But compare that to Cook and the rest of the English batsmen who all put the hard yards in the Country Championship (barring Pietersen a little bit) with even Bairstow being selected on country form and not brand. Same applies Swann and Panesar. And generally speaking, most other countries (Aus, RSA, Pak though not WI) whose selectors create a partition between Tests limited overs cricket.

Posted by Meety on (November 26, 2012, 0:10 GMT)

It should be interesting if India can set something close to 150. Shows how valuable those runs Pujarra & Ashwin scored on in the 1st innings - without them, India would still be a long way behind with only 3 wickets left. I think at the current rate - India will be lucky to set England anymore than 60 to get. SHOULD England win, it really sets up the remainder of the Test series.

Posted by dunger.bob on (November 25, 2012, 23:12 GMT)

If India can put on another 100 runs or so (unlikely given the way England were bowling last evening) this match is not over yet. There is still some cricket to be played here and it ain't over until it's over. .... if I were the curator of this pitch I think I would be getting a bit nervous about now though. Fancy producing a fast, seaming, swinging, spitting green-top which it must be since we've been told over and over again the England are merely "green-top bullies". We've also been told that India is the master of the spinning deck and because "a billion Indians can't be wrong" the only explanation is that this must be a demon of a pitch. ... I'm a bit jealous of England actually. They currently have 2 or 3 excellent spinners to call upon whereas my poor guys had to press-gang a groundsman to give us some semblance of a spin attack. .. I don't say this very often at all, but, Go England Go, Go Hard and finish 'em off.

Posted by sk12 on (November 25, 2012, 23:02 GMT)

Whatever happens from here, Eng hav proved they are better than India (although that doesnt count as much in the global sense). KP was the difference between the 2 sides this game. Any other batsman even if he has survived that many balls KP did, would have scored half the runs max. If due to some miracle (light shower holding up the pitch) we scrap to a 100 run lead, then game on. Still a very disappointing match, though I personally feel we played ok, it was this one freak innings by KP.

Posted by masodur2000 on (November 25, 2012, 22:56 GMT)

The funny thing is - most of the commentators here did not say anything before or after the first test about team selection or playes' performance. Now they are dissecting everybody. When they get chance, they do make the similar thing for other teams.

Posted by RFeynman on (November 25, 2012, 22:27 GMT)

KP and Cook played the kind of innings which make you love test cricket. Fact is India thinks in terms of t20 and IPL. If they perform well in that format, they are deemed fit for test cricket. I see no reason why Harbhajan Singh is playing in this team now. Ashwin managed to fool NZ batsmen but has never proved against quality batsmen, neither at home nor abroad. India won their matches at home due to the brilliance of VVS. Now that he is gone, there is nobody playing the match saving/winning knock in the third/fourth innings of the test. I am glad Eng is winning this match. They deserve this victory. Hopefully, atleast this will open the eyes of the selectors. They should pick players based on their current form and not their past reputation.

Posted by EverybodylovesSachin on (November 25, 2012, 22:22 GMT)

Take it easy guys on India..It's Monty Panesar show of his lifetime..Any 10 year can bowled Greats like Sachin , Bradman etc....if the wicket is like this one and if you are left hand spinner and keep the ball in right areas. England will loose this series no doubt about it..Sachin will go on high that is for sure...He surely can produced shots like Pujara, Cook , Pieterson etc..no doubt about it..He will do it..I still love him and he is one of the GREATS world cricket has ever seen...

Posted by BG4cricket on (November 25, 2012, 22:19 GMT)

How on earth didn't England pick Monty for the first test ???? England should win comfortably from here but I still think it is a big mistake thinking Patel is a Test no 6 - surely they should play Morgan and leave the spinning duties to the 2 specialists with some occasional stuff from KP. While on the subject surely this is why it was lunacy to leave KP out - he and Cook are the only two quality batsmen in the line up and they are pivotal to England's success. I would agree with dropping Broad but Onions is the only alternative given Finn's injury.

Posted by VillageBlacksmith on (November 25, 2012, 21:59 GMT)

I think the mean spirited actions of dhoni and fletcher certainly spurred england on, and rightly so... Bairstow should have been more aware but the umpires should also have upheld the law, it is one of the few jobs they have left! And nice to see some backbone returning to the Eng side after bell has gone. Time for Broad to join him.

Posted by Nerk on (November 25, 2012, 21:53 GMT)

England has not won this test yet. Gambhir is still there, and if there ever was a time to make himself a legend it would be now. Harby can hold a bat, and Ojha can hang around. Zaheer Khan has turned himself in recent years from a useful lower order player to India's answer to Chris Martin, but without the heart. Even if India win, and go on to win the series, perhaps 4 - 0, at least England can say they fought. they have played better than anyone has expected. Which is more than anyone can say for India's recent performances in England and Australia.

Posted by samincolumbia on (November 25, 2012, 21:48 GMT)

@A-vacant-slip - The match of the century was India vs Australia in 2001 when Australia had all the greats playing and India came back from behind when all hope was lost and won the match, which was nothing short of a miracle with VVS's special knock of 281. You are the one with a distorted sense of history and seem to believe that England is a great team. The fact remains that the "great" english team was humiliated in their own backyard by SA just a couple of months ago. First England need to win consistently at home before talking about away records of other nations.

Posted by JG2704 on (November 25, 2012, 21:42 GMT)

Well , a decent day for England which could have been even better had Prior not been run out. I have no issues with the Bairstow dismissal. To me he's walked off the pitch anyway and Flower should not be wasting time trying to get him reinstated and while I agree with Flower's actions re Bell , I felt he should have let it go. I'm still concerned as an England fan as we've blown match winning positions before but brilliance from KP and Cook (find it amazing how KP can go from looking clueless to masterful in a matter of days). Great to see Monty bowling so well and enjoying his cricket so much. It really does have me thinking what might have been in the 1st test. Oh and well done Cook for opening with a spinner at one end and only using Jimmy for 4 overs. Good to see you're learning as a captain , even though it was an obvious kind of decision

Posted by binojpeter on (November 25, 2012, 21:42 GMT)

India will be bowled out for 130-140. England will chase the score with the loss of 2 wickets at max. English spinners has proved to be definitely better than Indian spinners. Ojha was the only spinner who hit the right areas more consistently than Aswhin and Harbhajan. Ashwin was all over the place, bowled at the right spot only rarely especially the one he got Cook out. I was against selecting Harbhajan especially since he did not have any solid performance in Ranji trophy to back his return. If this is the case, I predict that England has a good chance to win this series 2-1.

Posted by JG2704 on (November 25, 2012, 21:42 GMT)

@Ranjit S Gulvady on (November 25 2012, 11:18 AM GMT) What a refreshingly honest comment there

@CandidIndian on (November 25 2012, 11:42 AM GMT) Credit again to you although some of our gloaters still make me cringe.

Posted by JG2704 on (November 25, 2012, 21:42 GMT)

@Hammond on (November 25 2012, 11:16 AM GMT) re "Even England haven't collapsed like this against a spin attack." - are you sure about that? Maybe I dreamt the 72 all out in UAE.

Posted by JG2704 on (November 25, 2012, 21:42 GMT)

@Pramod MJ on (November 25 2012, 07:23 AM GMT) I agree with you re Bairstow not being called called back but Bell was a different issue because if he hadn't left the field of play he'd probably been on a disciplinary charge and technically India had done no wrong in that instance. But I still feel/felt that it was not right in the spirit of the game as Bell was obviously walking off thinking it was tea as were many of the Indian players inc Dhoni who was nowhere near behind the stumps. Would you seriously have been happy to get a wicket that way? In that instance I felt that what Strauss/Flower did was to try and get Bell reinstated because it would have left a bad taste for the rest of the tour had they upheld their decision and would have made little difference to the outcome of the game. In this instance I'd say Flower should let it go , JB walked anyway. Please publish this time - nothing of offence

Posted by piyo_thanda_jiyo_thanda on (November 25, 2012, 21:41 GMT)

@Milhouse79 Harbhajan Singh has been sorted out by international batsmen. It tends to happen to a lot of spinners, the more they play. Now batsmen are able to pick his variations off his hands, and are much better prepared. Plus his temperament has always been fragile. He often does not play well under pressure just like the Pakistanis.

Posted by Setu_Madhavan on (November 25, 2012, 21:29 GMT)

As a Team India Fan, who has followed cricket for over 3 decades, I would like to state the obvious:

1. Team England wiped the floors with the 'iconic' players of Team India. 2. That innings by KP, is among the top three innings over the last 3 decades, possibly the very best. 3. While the wide array of KP's cricketing abilities were on public display, there is another aspect to KP's game that is even more dazzling. The sheer AUDACITY of his shot selection, which results from a combination of his supreme self confidence and a desire to psychologically dismantle the opposition. Show me one Indian batsman who has the courage and confidence to complete his century with that disdainful 'reverse swat' of the ball.

Amazing how the pitch suddenly stopped spinning for as long as KP (and to an extent Cook) toyed with the Indian 'spin superstars', only for the ball to begin bobbing and spinning as soon as the Indian batsmen returned. KP's onslaught cast a voodoo spell over team India's minds!

Posted by tests_the_best on (November 25, 2012, 21:27 GMT)

Come on guys relax, especially indian fans who are jumping to conclusions, criticizing policies of bcci/dhoni etc. After the first test, everyone was praising the team and pujara, ojha as the new finds which they still are. Only thing that went wrong for india in this test was the huge partnership between kp and pietersen which is always going to happen when you come up against top-class players who perform in all conditions. after that partnership, india actually did quite well to bowl them out with a manageable lead. The really bad thing for india was the 2nd innings collapse which can always happen on such a turning pitch. And as for dhoni calling for turning tracks, he clearly mentioned that such tracks offer chances to both teams instead of just the team winning the toss and batting first so these pitches actually make for better cricket. Let's hope for more of such matches in the remainder of the series and some great performances from either side.

Posted by wellrounded87 on (November 25, 2012, 21:18 GMT)

@whofriggincares It's funny you bring up Cook's average when he is compared with Sachin, yet you seem to forget that Sachin's average is surpassed by plenty of batsmen when you claim he's "the only man to come even close to the Don"

2 of those are current players with similar ages. (Kallis and Sangakkara)

SRT's record is blown out of proportion by all the games he's played on batting friendly subcontinent pitches and regular series' against bangladesh comparing him to the don is ridiculous

Posted by ste13 on (November 25, 2012, 21:18 GMT)

Just look at the scorcard - the difference between India and England in this test is batting. India has Pujara only, while England can rely on Cook and Pietersen. The rest in both teams failed. Time for India to retire Tendulkar and bring Tiwary. Y. Singh should be dropped as well. In England team Trott is out of touch, but why is Broad playing is difficult to be explained.

Posted by maddy20 on (November 25, 2012, 21:16 GMT)

@A_Vacant_Slip Funny you are boasting about your SA imports. You want to show you have backbone? Play XI English players and we will see. And despite of that, you were even thrashed at home by Saffas, in UAE by PAK. They might win this test but not the series. Anyways If I were you I would pipe down till tomorrow evening. Batting fourth on this wicket is a nightmare. Ask the Aussies(88 allout in 2004). Anything over 150 is a par 4th innings score.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 21:09 GMT)

Shouldn't we be celebrtating the fact that Test cricket is alive and well and unpredicatable rather than bemoaning the performance of certian individuals? Compare this experience to the hit and giggle of T20 and I know which fomat I'd prefer to watch. Also, to expect to win every game on home soil is just plain ridiculous; it's simply not going to happen. My observation is that T20 has had a two-fold effect on this series. Firstly the English players are more accustomed to conditions in India, and secondly, the Indian players play too much of that form of the game at the expense of meaningful first class cricket.

Posted by tests_the_best on (November 25, 2012, 21:09 GMT)

shame about srt missing out on possibly the last chance in front of his home crowd. I recall being at the wankhede stadium in the ind vs eng test match in 1993. When Sidhu was dismissed by Phil Tufnell, there was a huge buzz around the ground in anticipation of the 19-year old tendulkar entering the fray. along with kambli, he put on a huge partnership that won the game for india. who would have thought that 20 years down the line, he would still be playing. unless he pulls out something special beyond the 30-40s in the remaining 2 tests, I fear srt's days are numbered. pretty disappointed with yuvraj too, maybe rahane or tiwary need to be drafted in.

Posted by wellrounded87 on (November 25, 2012, 21:06 GMT)

@A_vacant_slip While i agree with your assessment of the Indian cricket team and their "short memoried" fans. The test of the century was easily Adelaide 06 Australia vs England

Posted by Chris_P on (November 25, 2012, 21:03 GMT)

Great to see England deliver these results. Excellent effort with the bat from Cook & KP. Great effort Monty, what were the selectors thinking for the first test? The biggest positive reading these posts is seeing mostly positive posts from the Indian fans, the usual trolls probably too busy taking their feet out of their mouths.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 20:53 GMT)

This is exactly what I commented about yesterday that Indian players are not applying themselves well unlike the England players. The Indian players were reckless in their second knock thinking of themselves as master of spin batting. Its not the first time they have failed collectively and against a much lesser rookie spin bowler, Lyon in Australia ! And Gautam Gambhir still thinks India can win from this position ? Alas, Gambhir wake up from your slumber, you can only hope that wishes could come true. It would be amazing if Gambhir can achieve that than Indian Govt may bestow him with Sur Veer Chakra, to be instituted just for winning the match ! Good job by Panesar and Swann !

Posted by BallparkFrank on (November 25, 2012, 20:42 GMT)

It is time for us to accept the rude reality that Indian cricket's cupboards are haplessly empty by and large with a few talents like Pujara occasionally sprouting to kindle hope. As incredible as it sounds given the amount of money that has been forked into the sport by building academies, erecting state-of-art facilities, and paying diseconomic salaries for players/coaches/administrators it is a hard reality that all that investment has produced nothing to be proud of in the test format of the game. Alas!

Posted by mohsin9975 on (November 25, 2012, 20:32 GMT)

My belief has been confirmed. Indian batting stalwarts are not the best players of spin. I think pakistan and srilanka have been better against spin always, they are weaker against pace. Indians are very good against mediocre spinners and mediocre against very good spinners. Also indian spinners are not the best in indian conditions. I had seen how we struggled against the part-time spin of michael clarke in 2004 in mumbai who wrecked our stalwarts(so called) with 6-9. He s even bamboozled india in sydney in 2008. I have noticed since 2000, most foreign spinners have done better than all indian spinners except kumble who was a legend(I have realized this after he retired). Be it clarke, giles, robertson(aus), even paul harris. At least the foreign spinners have been more accurate and economical than our spinners. Its only that foreign teams get demoralised easily if the pacers dont get purchase from the wicket and they do not consider spinners as matchwinners, vice-versa to india

Posted by Jaffa79 on (November 25, 2012, 20:14 GMT)

Can I ask Indian fans: what has happened to Harbhajan Singh? He is still a young man so it can't be age catching up with him but he has definitely lost it. A few years ago, on a pitch like this he would have been a right handful but he seems a shadow of his former self. I thought when Kumble retired that he would go on to greater glories but he seems like he could be playing his final test judging by this showing...

Posted by Shan156 on (November 25, 2012, 20:10 GMT)

Someone here mentioned that India's spinners are way superior to our's and Monty is nothing special. Who is special? Would that be Ojha who has never played outside the sub-continent and still has an average of over 30? Or Ashwin who looks innocuous even against tail-enders? Or Harby who himself doesn't know what he is doing in the XI? If our bowlers should prove themselves all around the world to be considered even good, leave alone special, how come Ojha who has never proved himself outside the sub-continent be considered special? Is it because he is Indian and they are automatically special just by turning up to play for their country? Despite what has happened over the last 3 days, India still have a chance considering that England have a problem chasing 100+ scores in these conditions and India's spinners are quiet good in exploiting the help from these conditions. But, England's spinners have done quite well against batsmen who are better players of spin.

Posted by A_Vacant_Slip on (November 25, 2012, 20:06 GMT)

@moBlue on (November 25 2012, 12:02 PM GMT) You are whistling in the wind AND you have distorted sense of history. The test match of the century was England V Australia in 2005 at Edgbaston, Birmingham. Fact is India have never beaten Australia in Australia whereas England did only last year. And BTW India abjectly surrendered to England last year inspite of the people you call as "fab". You speak that India have "backbone"... why then were India whitewashed in England and Australia in the last 18 month? You want Backbone? Watch Cook hitting hundred in India on "sporting" pitch - watch KP hitting hundred then you will see backbone.

Posted by Shan156 on (November 25, 2012, 20:06 GMT)

Unless Stuart Broad takes the last three wickets cheaply and/or play a blinder with the bat to see England home tomorrow, both situations unlikely, England should drop him for the rest of the series. If not for the generous pies he offers the Indian batsmen or being totally useless with the bat, it should be for the fact that he sold Matt Prior short at a crucial time in the match. Prior would have definitely added a few more useful runs in the end of the innings. Why didn't this guy sacrifice his wicket for Prior anyway considering he was the one who made the call? Even if otherwise, Prior is a superior batsmen especially in these conditions and Broad should have put the team's interests ahead of his and ran to the other end. Pathetic really. God knows why he is still in the team. Are the ECB blind or is it because Broad knows the powerful few of the ECB?Also, what do the selectors see in Patel that he is our #6?

Posted by Nutcutlet on (November 25, 2012, 19:56 GMT)

@yorkshire-86: right question, wrong name! What on earth is Stuart Broad doing in the team? Currently, he cannot be trusted with the ball in hand, neither does he look anything more than a genuine tail-ender with the bat. Even his fielding was substandard, missing his dives & bisecting the pitch with his returns from the deep (I really do watch!). Samit, for this tour at least, is worth his place. His 26 today stacks up well enough when compared with the rest, bar the two great innings we witnessed, & he safely held his catch to dismiss Ashwin. In the first inns his bowling was tidy - and far less expensive than the vice-captain's few overs. There is every reason to retain Samit & no reason whatsoever to keep SB on current form. Before this series is over, Samit will probably keep an end up at an important point. He has the technique, playing late & using his wrists, for these pitches. SB is likely to find himself sidelined for Kolkata, with Finn if fit, or Meaker taking his place.OK?

Posted by whoster on (November 25, 2012, 19:54 GMT)

Astonishing innings from KP - that's why he's so special. Cook was immense yet again, and for those two to make such a massive contribution to England's run tally while the rest struggled was pure class. Panesar and Swann were almost unplayable later in the day, and it's really thrilling as an Englishman to see two quality spinners bowling so well in tandem. Still work to be done though, and if the last 3 Indian wickets can somehow eke out another 70 or more, things could still be a bit tricky. Great advert for Test cricket - nothing compares to it.

Posted by universalanalyser on (November 25, 2012, 19:54 GMT)

**Today is that epic day when MY favourite KP and Chef(as KP calls) surpassed their idols' Test record.and is together.I guess this is what they were calling **INTEGRATION** .they both wont forget this day together............Im happy for English Cricket...I guess now we can get as much Trophys and Cups as others do....for what we have been deprived of in our own Game........but for the match,we havnt won yet.the rightly time will come my mates.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 19:51 GMT)

The reasons for 8-0 defeat earlier was not explored by selectors and BCCI. Hence, this is a good thing that has happened to Indian cricket giving a timely remainder. Here are the reasons why.

1. Yuvraj Singh, Suresh Raina are not test-level no 6 like VVS laxman/ Ganguly. similarly Sehwag can be tried in middle order overseas.I already miss the VVS.

2. Harbhajan Singh's basis of selection was T20- outrageous! Dinda, Praveen Kumar and 1st class cricketers are ignored.

3. Dhoni is a pathetic test captain, I wonder if he will be still retained. His lack of interest in playing tests made publicly earlier seems to be indeed true. Hope the selectors will have the courage to make the change.

4. Lastly, Tendulkar. Apparently we are old by several sources he is the best judge on this aspect. But it seems for two years that is not getting any results. India can't play with 8 players (Tendulkar and Dhoni's quota (2) of t20 players- a bowler and the No 6 bat).

Posted by haq33 on (November 25, 2012, 19:50 GMT)

Dear England.....well done for actually appreciating the need to adapt your cricket since the 1st test debacle, where team selection and technique against spin were at fault. Why not further accept the realities of modern cricket and teach your spinners the doosra? Believe me, it would make your team the best in the world on paper at least and the Aussies would fear you every time they had to face you. It wasn't so long ago that you rejected reverse swing as cheating and then, when you finally changed your mind, it helped take you to no.1. I would love to see the English learn the doosra and stick it to Inverarity in the next Ashes test.

Posted by A_Vacant_Slip on (November 25, 2012, 19:24 GMT)

@simily on (November 25 2012, 16:31 PM GMT) You say "There is nothing special about Panesar"... Really? He is only the first England bowler for 80 year to pick 10 wicket V India in India. Could you tell us please @simily - what in your opinion would qualify as "special" in that case? Your reply should be interesting.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 19:08 GMT)

Firstly, well played kp,cook and panesar. U have won respect of us indian fans. England have almost won this match. But I wish as an optimist indian fan that India take a lead of about 150+ and make a match out of it. If India manage to win this, I would rate it above Eden gardens 2001

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 18:56 GMT)

India-Come Back Kings??? Hope Bhajji-Zaheer make 20-30 each tomorrow and then leave it to ojha only coz ashwin dont understand that if u bowl on middle-leg stump line the bowl will turn and will be coming on outside leg thus inviting runs and bhajji needs tail-enders to add to his tally of wickets.

Posted by kiwijim200 on (November 25, 2012, 18:41 GMT)

Your correspondent says this is the first time an England spinner has taken 10 wickets in a match since Hedley Verity in the 1930s. Was this a qualified statement or did I miss Jim Laker's 19 in a match in the 1950s against Australia?

Posted by Silverbails on (November 25, 2012, 18:30 GMT)

What a shambles!! Sadly, another all-too-familar Indian batting collapse from the T20 money-orientated generation. England should wrap this up tomorrow, sometime. Chasing 100 should be fairly simple for them. In THAT victory against the Aussies in 2004 we had Kumble and Harbie in their pomp and prime, who were virtually unplayable on this sort of Wankhede Stadium pitch. Unfortunately, we don't have Kumble (who had a never-say-die attitude), and Harbie is just a mere shadow of his glorius past. And, as for Ojha and Ashwin, they are simply NOT in the same league. I TRULY hope that I'm proved wrong, but I really DO fear the worst. If England do square the Series, it'll JUST be the tonic that they'll need to take the full Series 3 -1!! Here's hoping for an unlikely Indian miracle (which simply don't come too often in my humble experience)....!!!!

Posted by mukesh_LOVE.cricket on (November 25, 2012, 18:26 GMT)

India may still win this game as anything above 100 is potentially dangerous on this pitch , but there is a new pattern emerging here - Indian batsmen are struggling against spin which is very surprising because even the gr8 warne and murali never had much of an impact against India , anyway gr8 match of cricket

Posted by hhillbumper on (November 25, 2012, 18:23 GMT)

the england middle order needs some work and Broad needs to be dropped but it is not bad for a rebuilding team. England is lucky to be able to put two spinners of this quality out. If the fast bowling worked as well then it would be even better.

As for Trott he needs to get it together fairly quickly or Bell will replace him when they return to UK. Admit he can't play spin in foregign climes but still is a better bet than Trott.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 18:17 GMT)

Indian whinge and moan...if thats not the pot calling the kettle black..England are the biggest whingers in the world..even the Australians know that..and Flower keeps thinking he can go to a match referee and asking for the wicket to be reinstated on grounds of spirt of the game when his team shows no spirit..eg Anderson blatently shoulder barging Pujara on him getting a hundred..we design our pitches to our advantage just like Australia,England and South Africa do..Go watch Man United..and you'll see them water the penalty area they're gonna attack..as for India..whens the last time Dhoni did anything with the bat..his wicket keeping is poor..how long can we keep him in the side because of his captaincy..and we should give one of the youngsters a chance..Rahane,Badrinath or Tiwary in place of Yuvraj

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (November 25, 2012, 18:15 GMT)

@A_Vacant_Slip, most likely the world of self denial, however its still possible for India to win, if England manage to remove the next 3 wickets for less than a 100 run lead, then its englands barring a total disintigration (WI 2009) anything between 100-150 and it could go either way, anything over 150 and India will be in the driving seat.

Posted by Herath-UK on (November 25, 2012, 18:14 GMT)

In the two match series against Sri Lanka England pulled off a win in the second Test after losing the first at Galle on the back of a marvellous 150 by KP;sad it was limited only to two matches so could not see who would have come on top if were more matches.KP did the same here with another marvellous knock for an imminent resounding win.Bouquet to ECB for resolving KP's issue to reinstall to the current team. Ranil Herath - Kent

Posted by Herath-UK on (November 25, 2012, 18:13 GMT)

In the two match series against Sri Lanka England pulled off a win in the second Test after losing the first at Galle on the back of a marvellous 150 by KP;sad it was limited only to two matches so could not see who would have come on top if were more matches.KP did the same here with another marvellous knock for an imminent resounding win.Bouquet to ECB for resolving KP's issue to reinstall to the current team. Ranil Herath - Kent

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (November 25, 2012, 18:09 GMT)

I have no problem with home teams creating pitches to suit thier own strengths, its the nature of playing around the world and why this is called Test cricket. I do wonder if Indian fitness levels are as they should be. In regards to Bairstow, it was a poor shot, and deserved to be out, however it should have been turned down by the umpire (I think it was Dar) at square leg, but thats the rub of the green. I can also understand Flower going to the Umpires but it is they who should have made the decision as to whether it stood or not, and not ask the Indian team to recant the decision.

Posted by Venkatb on (November 25, 2012, 18:07 GMT)

I do not know why Indian fans feel frustrated - Tendulkar, Dhoni and Kohli each earn more in endorsements than the entire English team combined - and at a recent movie premiere in Mumbai, it looked like the Gods had descended from the heavens when these cricketers showed up - can the English players match that? - the short answer is NO!!! So long as the Indian public buys products endorsed by these players, they will continue to rake in millions - playing for the country is a secondary incidental exercise - Tendulkar's selection is not his decision nor of the selectors - it is the BCCI as the goose continues to lay the golden eggs in endorsement money despite the fact he repeatedly lays duds on the field!

Posted by JG2704 on (November 25, 2012, 18:05 GMT)

Well , a decent day for England which could have been even better had Prior not been run out. I have no issues with the Bairstow dismissal. To me he's walked off the pitch anyway and Flower should not be wasting time trying to get him reinstated and while I agree with Flower's actions re Bell , I felt he should have let it go. I'm still concerned as an England fan as we've blown match winning positions before but brilliance from KP and Cook (find it amazing how KP can go from looking clueless to masterful in a matter of days). Great to see Monty bowling so well and enjoying his cricket so much. It really does have me thinking what might have been in the 1st test. Oh and well done Cook for opening with a spinner at one end and only using Jimmy for 4 overs. Good to see you're learning as a captain , even though it was an obvious kind of decision

Posted by JG2704 on (November 25, 2012, 18:03 GMT)

@Ranjit S Gulvady on (November 25 2012, 11:18 AM GMT) What a refreshingly honest comment there

@CandidIndian on (November 25 2012, 11:42 AM GMT) Credit again to you although some of our gloaters still make me cringe.

Posted by JG2704 on (November 25, 2012, 18:02 GMT)

@Hammond on (November 25 2012, 11:16 AM GMT) re "Even England haven't collapsed like this against a spin attack." - are you sure about that? Maybe I dreamt the 72 all out in UAE.

Posted by JG2704 on (November 25, 2012, 18:02 GMT)

@Pramod MJ on (November 25 2012, 07:23 AM GMT) I agree with you re Bairstow not being called called back but Bell was a different issue because if he hadn't left the field of play he'd probably been on a disciplinary charge and technically India had done no wrong in that instance. But I still feel/felt that it was not right in the spirit of the game as Bell was obviously walking off thinking it was tea as were many of the Indian players inc Dhoni who was nowhere near behind the stumps. Would you seriously have been happy to get a wicket that way? In that instance I felt that what Strauss/Flower did was to try and get Bell reinstated because it would have left a bad taste for the rest of the tour had they upheld their decision and would have made little difference to the outcome of the game. In this instance I'd say Flower should let it go , JB walked anyway.

Posted by guitarboy on (November 25, 2012, 17:58 GMT)

I can't believe that the indian selectors still persist with tendulkar,he is pass his best.He and ponting seem to be on an ego trip,and it is costing their respectiveteams

Posted by tests_the_best on (November 25, 2012, 17:53 GMT)

pathetic batting by india in second innings although first 2 sessions produced excellent test cricket. great innings by kp especially the slog six through midwicket followed by a spirited ind fightback to keep lead down to 86 when at one stage it seemed the lead would be well over 100, especially loved the dhoni sprint to get prior runout. all of it was undone in the last session though. barring miracles like the uae 72 all out, eng should expect to wrap up the win tomorrow.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 17:51 GMT)

Dont pick batsmen on past records... sorry sachin your time is up ... thank your for your contribution to indian cricket .. Retire gracefully ! your fan... ! Manoj Tiwary, Ajinkya Rahane, Rohit sharma... all need to be in .. for Sachin, Sehwag, Yuvraj ... Sehwag almost never makes any contribution in the second innings not to mention only fires once in 10 matches even in the first... India just cannot field the same lineup in next game... I know it wont happen but Saha for dhoni in tests please.... the match and the past one year have been a wake up call and only fools keep repeating a plan which has failed already... Selectors ?

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 17:28 GMT)

Where INdia whinge and moan about pitches not to their linking. England adapt. It's not instant - no adaption is or ever could be. But they have taken the truth of the matter on board ?"This is India - pitches will turn - we better select teams and play accordingly - whether it's our strong point or not" Contrast that with Indias approach "Make them raging dust bowls from day one - and if that doesn't work...we got nothing" With Indias financial and manpower resources I'm with Ian Chappel who said "they shouldn't just have the best team on the world - they should have the best five teams in the world". The fact they are no where near that position is testament to the BCCI's intrasigence culpability and unwillingness to adapt. I hope they lose - and lose badly.Winning the toss twice, image the carnage if they had lost the toss and had to bat 2nd and 4th rather than 1st and 3rd?

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 17:28 GMT)

When KP bats this way, he suppresses the opposition. If India are to win this test series they should target this man, what a cricketer he has been. India has fallen a pray to their own strategy of producing turning pitches. It is time for BCCI to recruit fresh minds who can take their cricket to new heights instead of playing these over-hyped negative minded players.

Posted by ListenToMe on (November 25, 2012, 17:23 GMT)

I feel it is the series for England unless India make drastic changes in the team for the next matches. Sad to say, but I think Sachin should declare the next test as his last one. Even if he scores a century next time cannot cement his position in the team now. There are now a lot of talented batsmen who are better than today's Sachin. So he should move away for them. Bring Rohit Sharma and Rahane. I don't think Kohli is a good test batsman. He is a risky player. Manoj Tiwari is better than him. Also It is time to drop Gambhir too. And Dhoni is not at all a good test batsman. Parthiv Patel or Saurabh Tiwari are far better than him. We should have separate captains for test and ODI matches. If these changes are not done, I believe we will see more and more defeats from India.

Posted by A_Vacant_Slip on (November 25, 2012, 17:23 GMT)

@MujahidAliMd on (November 25 2012, 09:23 AM GMT) You say "At present India in driver seat and in total control of this match". Really? On which planet?

Posted by yorkshirematt on (November 25, 2012, 17:20 GMT)

Flat tracks next? The indian fast bowlers have looked a lot more threatening than england's so not a bad idea.

Posted by CBVIJAY on (November 25, 2012, 17:17 GMT)

Really England is far better than India. England and South Africa are real Champs.What Dhoni is going to say ? Are he going to blame groundsmen for this pitch ? Swann and Panesar really bowled well. Ashwin and Ohja get the wicket of players who doesn't play very well. But Swann ans Paneser get the wicket of very gud players of spin. Dhoni is really a street Wicket Keeper. He don't even know how to stand behind the stumps. He misses one stumping and atleast 2 catches in every 3 matches her palying. Tendulkar is waiting for next milestone of 34000 international runs. he need just two runs for that. hope he will get it at the end of this tour. REALLY ENGLAND IS GOING TO WIN THIS SERIES.

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas_Atheist on (November 25, 2012, 17:10 GMT)

Just drop Statchin, I say. If the ball that he got dismissed in the first inning would have got any other young Indian batsmen, then what's the difference between 'god' and others. If he is just as good as other young Indian batsmen despite his vast experience, then just get rid-off him. He just destroyed India's chances in the second inning when he could have tried and gave Gambhir some company. Shame!

Posted by yorkshire-86 on (November 25, 2012, 17:10 GMT)

The question is still there. What on earth is Patel doing in this team?

Posted by Raj12345 on (November 25, 2012, 17:03 GMT)

Hello fans, how long we need to keep Tendulkar in team after seeing him failing test after test. What about Shewag, just he scored 1 hundred, now he will not play next 10 matches. This happens only in Indian cricket.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 16:58 GMT)

Time to retire Sachin, move Sehwag down the order, recruit Rehane.

Posted by CricketingStargazer on (November 25, 2012, 16:55 GMT)

Too many people making too many snap judgements from Day 1 of this series. It may still end up 4-0, but India know that they are in a battle.

Posted by thalalara on (November 25, 2012, 16:54 GMT)

Superb batting by KP ..but match is not yet over.... Quick fire 30 by Harbajan ...120 to chase in the 4th innings will be a daunting task for England.

Posted by reality_check on (November 25, 2012, 16:46 GMT)

Big difference between India and England in this test series is that England have adapted to Indian conditions much better and quicker than India could do in English conditions. Maybe England got a good practice in the UAE against Pakistan and what to expect in India but at this moment, England looks like a better team on turning tracks than India... specially with the inclusion of Panesar.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 16:40 GMT)

I expected England will fall completely with 3 spinners but what is happening is some thing unexpected. England done very well. Both are going equal. It will be 1-1. Now both teams need to start fresh. Can England win series in India? then they are real champs. India selected team only for first 2 matches they will come back strong remaining matches, tough fight for English.

Posted by Hiba.R on (November 25, 2012, 16:31 GMT)

There is nothing special about Panesar, Swann definetly is a good spinner, but lack of conviction from the Indian batsmen has found them putting their team on the brink of a defeat. Tendulkar, Gambhir, Harbhajan should not have been part of the team, now that Gambhir is the only batsmen to have made few runs in the 2nd innings does not still justifies his position in the team. Tendulkar had a great record, fine, so what ???? provides immunity against being dropped???? I think NO, she shouldn't even be playing in the team, learn from Dravid who is a real gentlemen, if Tendulkar himself cannot get that fact right board should make him understand that, close this Tendulkar chapter now. New players like Rahane and other youngsters be given a chance to proove rather than waiting for an oldie to produce a gem at the cost of may be 20 innings. Indian spinners are definetly much better than the English what's making a huge difference is the lack of CONVICTION among Indian batsnen.

Posted by rocket123 on (November 25, 2012, 16:27 GMT)

Never ever said before, time for Tendulkar to go. If Dravid, Ponting, Kallis and Lara play the same number of Test matches as Tendulkar have played, they would probably get more or equal the same number of runs. And of course, Ponting and Kallis would probably score more or equal number of centuries. Over the years these batsmen have had more impact on the game by playing innings changing the course of matches they played in. Tendulkar's 5 test centuries and number of test runs against Bangladesh keep his average above Ponting. Every player after all must be judged on merit with the passage of time. Here is Ponting who is under pressure for his place though OZ does not seem to have a comparable replacement. And here Tendulkar plays on w/o any pressure for his place "What is wrong with the selectors and India in general"? What are Tendulkar's stats for last 10 test innings???? 200 Test matches is a goal and surely he will score at least 1 or 2 hundreds and a couple of fifties.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 16:27 GMT)

Sri Dhoni, you asked for turning wicket the very first day. You got one. The very first thing is that you have not really learnt how to handle the turning balls standing behind the wicket. One of the worst wicket keepers on turning wickets as India has seen.

And batting, wonder why we cannot tell non-performing oldies to sit outside including the yesteryears' great Tandulkar.

Stupid show in such a non-exciting game which is cricket... Good the check scores but to see this game is such a time waste, particularly with such performances.

Posted by rahulcricket007 on (November 25, 2012, 16:15 GMT)

Good job England. Advanced congratulations. Please win this Series, only then we can hope for some action from Indian selectors. Hope old players retire. Please go away honourably. We love you because you won more matches than any other Indian team. But now we are reduced to hoping the opposition to play badly or rig wickets to win matches. Please England, win the series 3-1 and save Indian cricket. We have now lost all test matches we played since 1 year. We won last match by denying England proper practise by not selecting spinners in their preparation matches. No one restored to such tactics in the history of the game as far as I know.

Posted by dmqi on (November 25, 2012, 16:15 GMT)

Its amazling to see only 2 scores above 10, with so many super batsmen. When will these supers will be replaced by young promising players? What about the legend's retirement time?

Posted by Harlequin. on (November 25, 2012, 16:15 GMT)

Am I the only Englishman who still doesn't think this is quite sown up yet?! Gambit is looking steady and Harbajan has proved his beligerence with the bat before. If Captain Cook falls early doors in a chase of over 100 then there will be more than a few jitters flying around.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 16:13 GMT)

Fantastic performance by England! just didn't understand why England yet again made the wrong selection in the first test like last year in UAE. Broad is a mistake in this match and is clearly out of form plus lost so much pace. India are a pathetic side where everytime they are inconsistent with average players. You'd expect them to at least perform on flat tracks and because they can't just shows how much they were developing over the years. They play like minnows abroad so England deserve to show whose boss. England win this test match and series no doubt.

Posted by rahulcricket007 on (November 25, 2012, 16:08 GMT)

Write on walls ! India deserve this defeat. None of India players (other that VVS and Rahul ) has any character of Resistance in the 2nd innings. The openers have the lose charter of gifting their wickets (Shewag), Some old bodies (Tendulakar, Harbajan and Zahir) none of them have character to lift the moral of India team. They have become below average or rusted players. Board must ask them to take retirement which will help nation, board, and cricket lovers to an large extent. Look at the English team they covered up their weakness with inspiring batting from top Order and they worked in very planned manner to reduce to India's spin to new low. I admire their ability and self belief. I am sure they deserve this match better than India.

Posted by xylo on (November 25, 2012, 16:08 GMT)

This is a super pitch and now finally, the Indian selectors have been forced to acknowledge that they have a problem, and there are a number of elephants in the room.

Posted by rahulcricket007 on (November 25, 2012, 16:06 GMT)

Dhoni is used to blame the batsmans n bowlers but not himself. He doest know clearly about BCCI which has sent out the best indian captain DADA from his captaincy.. Its not only the time for Sachin to retire... its d tym for the worlds best captain, tremendous batsman n extraordinary wicket keeper....lol... to retire.... save indian cricket....

Posted by mazii on (November 25, 2012, 16:04 GMT)

Nothing can be compared with Ajmal and Swann and even with Monty, Ojha and herath. Narine is just a flop. He is not a consistent performer. Ashwin has no brain though he has some very good deliveries to bowl. Ashwin, today, bowled a very inconsistent line. I think he was frustrated because he was resolutely outwitted by Cook and aggressively tackled by one and only KP. Welcome back KP. KP and Cook have scored all over the world. They are just too good. Now where are rajesh india 1990. He was the one who rated Ashwin very high. Ajmal is by far the best contemporary, if not orthodox, spinner we have. Ashwin is just a hype. But Ojha is a very good spinner. And he has patience. Harbhjan has lost his grip, variations and mind. He is no more a world class spinner. Monty's pace troubled Indian batsmen. Swann was consistent and he bowled without experimented. Both of these spinners were just outstanding. I suggest Indian batsen to see Younis Khan's century against swann and monty.

Posted by rahulcricket007 on (November 25, 2012, 16:03 GMT)

Finally reality is staring India in the face, apart from one or two players, the rest are average, below average, flat track bullies!! The likes of Sehwag stand and deliver with zero footwork, this is ok on flat tracks but near impossible to do overseas. Shambolic bunch of players, who believe in their own hype, and more to the point, they have been overhyped by the fans. How can Sachin be called 'God'? how many god do people want to worship? Is one god not enough? Total and utter disgrace, performance so poor that this current team would struggle to beat the minows!!! Enough said

Posted by pulirajeev on (November 25, 2012, 15:57 GMT)

Positives: The dog did not get bowled. However, will shortly score some runs in an inconsequential innings to retain his plac,e like in the last test of the 4-0 whitewash in England. Guaranteed! Negatives: We can neither play pace nor spin. Time to go back to flat no-spin-no-bounce-no-pace tracks, hope our batting bullies come good and force draws as the best result for matches in India. Also time to drop the greatest individual run accumulating dog, Yuvraj, Zaheer and maybe, Gambhir too from the Test team and give Rahane, Chand, Aparajith and other youngsters a chance to prove themselves. Time for Mr. Patil to prove his mettle that he fears no one, like he did in his 174 Downunder a couple of decades ago. :)

Posted by peachaster on (November 25, 2012, 15:46 GMT)

Classic case of "Be careful what you ask for, you might just get it". Dhoni got the pitch he wanted. The recent overseas tours and now this one has laid bare the hollow core of this team, which has regressed back to the 70s. Time for the selectors to look beyond sacred cows and make some bold changes, starting with the captaincy. Time for BCCI to invest in fast, bouncy tracks for the domestic circuit. Time for some real leadership.

Posted by disco_bob on (November 25, 2012, 15:43 GMT)

@Stark62, wow you really think Tahir is better than Lyon whom you put last on your list. Check out the SA/Aust match where Tahir has just bowled himself into the record books with the worst spin performance of all time, while Lyon has mesmerised the world's number one team who only recently humiliated England at home.

Posted by getsetgopk on (November 25, 2012, 15:40 GMT)

It pains me most to see that it could have been a 4-0 WW at home this time for India but if it wasn't for that farcical non selection of Sardar Monty in the first test. Monty gave our boys hell of a tough time in UAE, his control was of exceptional quality, and used the arm ball to perfection. This could have been gold but heck, a 2,1 or a 3,1 win for England will do, for now!

Posted by SamRoy on (November 25, 2012, 15:38 GMT)

Well, the reason India will lose tomorrow has to do with couple of factors. Biggest reason Dhoni's field setting. He sets fields for bad deliveries. You just can't do that. First thing is to take wickets. Second is to stop singles. If a boundary happens it is either a bad delivery or an edge or a very good shot. He doesn't set fields for good deliveries. This was a pitch where a forward short leg and silly point should have been present all the time. Not according to Dhoni. At least 5 other players should have been in the circle to plug the gaps. So singles can't be taken. Not according to Dhoni. Bad test captain. On a side note Ashwin was bowling too full and too leg-sidish. In this pitch the need of the hour was to pitch it full but not to full so that it gets chance to turn and batsman couldn't smother the spin like Monty did.

Posted by nilb on (November 25, 2012, 15:32 GMT)

The strategy of toppling England with spinning tracks and didn't work did it? I wonder where are the people who chanted on and on "England can't play spin". India's strategy of playing slow dead flat pitches against the opposition in India and not employing fast bouncy pitches at home doesn't even enable them to win at home, and they sure the hell are not going to win in England, SA or Aus bouncy tracks ever. It's time to understand this is not going to work. Keep the non-"flat track only" batsmen in the Indian side and remove others (Shewag, Tendulkar). Make more use of Varon Aron and Yadav like bowlers. (Where were they in T20 world cup?) Remove the old guy Zaheer. These god worshipping will make Indian cricket subject to more and more ridicule.

Posted by india666666 on (November 25, 2012, 15:32 GMT)

" test at its best" not if u are an indian or a south african fan, fire dhoni,fletcher and drop kohli for a test match just for him to make sure that everything he plays wont be an ODI

Posted by praveenkp78 on (November 25, 2012, 15:29 GMT)

The collapse of so called "Best players of the spin" (certainly on paper) is the main reason for India on the verge of defeat. Why Dhoni is still in the team? Simply pathetic. He can't bat while team is comfortably placed nor when the chips are down. Neither his captaincy is good to boast about. He ran out of ideas to stop Cook and KP although they batted realy well in the conditions. Barring Ojha the other 2 spinners were useless in the helpful conditions. Bhajji used to complain about the wickets but when he gets the ideal one he failed miserably..no excuses on bad patch. Ashwin and Bhajji should have made use of the rough and bowled fuller. Look at Monty who bowled full and used the rough superbly to trouble Indian batsmen. Viru proved that he cannot bat not only on swinging conditions also in spinning conditions. Commentators..please be blunt..dont hesitate to critisize..call spade a spade..It MIGHT do a world of good if these players hear you..

Posted by SamRoy on (November 25, 2012, 15:27 GMT)

@Stark62 Imran Tahir and Nathan Lyon in same category? Tahir is hopeless mate, hopeless as in worser than Piyush Chawla. Lyon is atleast as good as Ashwin and he will get better. Ofcourse he won't be as good as Ajmal though he can become as good as Swann.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 15:26 GMT)

Bajji selection is not good. Pujara and Badrinath should take middle order. Both can bat long innings and good with spin. england is very weak in leg spin so should bring piyush chawla or rahul sharma for remaining matches. Patan is in good form and can take couple of wickets with good swing and as left hander he got some advantage. He can bat aswell. Bajji / Zaheer should be dropped. Sachin should open with sehwag or should get some rest. kohli should come after pujara then badri.

Posted by sandy_bangalore on (November 25, 2012, 15:24 GMT)

What is even more saddening is that despite being a one-sport nation: with no competition from other sports and players being multi-millionaires, we still can't produce a tough strong consistent team. Just look at KPs innings today. Showed that when on form, hes the worlds BEST batsman(clarke probably comes close). And Cook is miles better than our stats obsessed flat track champs

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 15:15 GMT)

I think Indian cricket fans are overreacting by venting their anger. They just won the first test a few days ago. They are playing against England one the finest teams around at the moment. There is nothing wrong in getting beat by a team as motivated as England at the moment, take the positives out of it and move on.

Show some character and grace in defeat.

Posted by Nampally on (November 25, 2012, 15:12 GMT)

Dhoni should put his money where his mouth is!. It was attrociuos display of both batting, bowling & captaincy which put India on the verge of a humiliating defeat. There were some guys like Yuvraj & Tendulkar - both played as sentimental favourites but were "non players". Yuvraj did not bowl a single ball after his 5 for -- vs. England in the first match. Tendulkar is hogging the place of another youngster instead of hanging up his shoes. Harbhajan long past his date was mysteriously in the XI. Ashwin was wayward & inconsistent. Ojha did not match Panesar in ability. Bad field placing alone cost India 50+ runs. India's 2nd innings batting was woefully bad.One man batting show of Pujara failed whilst 2 man attack of Cook & KP succeeded. Dhoni's call for spin friendly pitch back fired when he could not walk the talk!. Indian team has let down the hopes of a Nation with total lack lustre performance.The players should really ask themselves where is their commitment on their own soil?

Posted by Munkeymomo on (November 25, 2012, 15:11 GMT)

This comments section is full of the most ridiculous comments I've ever read. Unfortunately most of it is coming from the England fans. Is staying up late scrambling your brains and making you forget everything about cricket? Obviously Gambhir didn't know the rules like everyone else, so it was not unsporting.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 15:11 GMT)

have to give it to English bowlers.......an absolute masterclass performance on spin bowling. Ashwin and Ojha and Bhajji should learn how to bowl spin on spinning wickets. Absolutely spineless bowling, with every over having a "hit me" ball. To all English supporters.....well...you have got a deserving win. Your team showed tht you guys are not here for rolling over. Forget the fanatics.....real cricket fans always had respect for your team. And we hope that Dhoni understands that no matter the wicket......good cricket has to be played. An English spinner prevailing over an Indian batting line up in India....on a spinning wicket....that must be the last straw

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 15:07 GMT)

A good sporting wicket and India was found wanted... Just like the australia were when they were handed out defeat in the perth.. The difference b/w the two sides was pietersen and a below par bowling performance from India.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 15:06 GMT)

Beautifully written. As for South Africa , yes they made it to the top by beating England. It is one thing to reach the top, another to stay there, and as good as they are, they do not have a big enough stable of top players who can fill in when there is injury or illness, and Amla is out of form now, and Tahir has fallen apart- perhaps the Australian wickets. DeVilliers is not scoring since taking up gloves.

Posted by pratit on (November 25, 2012, 15:04 GMT)

Once again proves that quality is more important than quantity. You can have any number of ordinary spinners but 2 quality spinners are always going to do better. It is curious why Indian spinners refused to take a hint to bowl faster on this surface. They weren't helped by Dhoni's defensive fields. Despite asking for spinning tracks he could not set an ideal field for his spinners. By that count Cook did a much better job.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 15:03 GMT)

Here is the revised list of demands from dhoni after this match: -> turning pitch from day one ---- provided England bats first. -> flat pitch on day one - if India bats first and the pitch should turn spinner friendly in second innings when England bats and goes flat when India bats. -> If the above demand cannot be met, then two innings of flat pitch for India and one innings of spin and bounce pitch for England. I believe this is a fairly reasonable demand. What say everyone?

Posted by jb633 on (November 25, 2012, 15:02 GMT)

hahaahah this is the funniest result in world cricket. All we have heard for 2 years now is that India are going to beat England by an innings in every single test match because they are the greatest side at home. We have heard that somehow our results in England were manufactured and not genuine because we produced seaming minefields (which is a load of rubbish). Now large portions of the Indian fan base are dying by their very sword. The Indiann spinners are only effective when the ball rolls along the floor. With a wicket offering bounce they are pathethic. Going in with 3 spinners was a huge mistake, considering that Yadav made vital breakthroughs in the last game. The Indian fans saw England capitulate against Pakistan and thought that this series would be a forgone conclusion. The truth is that you should never underestimate your opposition and never bleat about any side to the extent you did. The IPL will not allow India to have a great test team again.

Posted by Manush on (November 25, 2012, 15:00 GMT)

KP has silenced his critics once and for all. The dressing room politics should be stopped at once. He is simply great and this is not the first time he produced such supreme batting, he has done it against all the best attacks and countries. Let us salute this guy a new version of King Richards.!!!

Posted by IPSY on (November 25, 2012, 15:00 GMT)

The last time that India toured England, they only carried two batsmen (Dravid and Laxman) who had proven time and again that they can fight successfully for their country, "under any condition". However, only Dravid performed as Laxman failed. I am surprised to hear that Dhoni is trying to fool the world that it was because the English prepared green tops to suit their bowlers why they lost so badly - as if they were cheated! Mr Dhoni, it was because you had a two batsman team and nothing else. Yours is a shameful statement. All the other first class teams go to England and fight the English hard on those said green pitches; but you guys only depend on those slow graveyards in India to show yourselves; giving people the wrong impression as if you all can bat; but you find it difficult to stop the slowest medium pacer on a wicket where there is a little bounce. This series would teach you that true test batsmen adjust to the conditions anywhere. Anyhow,Dravid and Laxman are available

Posted by bimohan on (November 25, 2012, 14:54 GMT)

i think its ojha who is not bowling so good. because swann didnt get much help in the first innings, he only got wickets of tail enders and harbhajan and ashwin did that, i somehow think that monty got more wickets, so pitch assists left arm spinners more.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 14:53 GMT)

Both teams are keeping a few in in the playing XI, purely based on their past performances. In both cases, they are blocking the way of talented youngsters, who alone can ensure a bright future for their national teams.

Posted by alfredmynn on (November 25, 2012, 14:52 GMT)

A superb display of spin bowling from England's spin twins. England supporters can only afford to be cautiously optimistic ... any 4th innings chase of over 100 will be highly dangerous from their point of view. Whoever wins, I do wish their supporters will refrain from gloating (too much to hope for perhaps?), as that's always returned with interest when the result reverses itself in a future match. As it is, there's way too much acrimony on these boards, getting in the way of reasoned debating.

Posted by vinchester on (November 25, 2012, 14:52 GMT)

All of us when young must have read/ heard about a story called " The Emperor's new clothes." Well BCCI needs to read it too, . Sachin has been a great perhaps greatest modern day cricketer; but somebody has to tell him that his reflexes are no longer what they are; he is denying another young cricketer of a place in the side; it is high time he calls it a day for the good of Indian cricket.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 14:52 GMT)

@ Adam, thanks to KP being in the England side, I hope you are not one of those who wanted him banned. All those xenophobic looses must have changed their minds now!!!

KP showed he is the best contemporary batsman of his generation

Posted by buntyj on (November 25, 2012, 14:51 GMT)

after india's disastrous tours of oz and eng many asked for turning tracks for 'revenge' and to try to establish the myth that most teams perform poorly when touring so indias failures should be overlooked; while most fans bought this fiction i had pointed out that our batsmen have sometimes collapsed vs spin in india on big turners and that our spinners as emphasised in this test are good but not top quality (ashwin's technical limitations have been analysed earlier and now exposed; and basically the spinners failed here since none of them bowl the right length) and not the best in the world. glad bhajji played and made no difference or his absence wouldve been cited as the alibi. the fact is that clinging to seniors and myths and over estimation of our standards has led to this situation. since oz tour kohli n pujara followed by ashwin have looked our best bats- tho viru may still score tons on slow low flattracks. yadav our best bowler away. dinda may do well if given a chance.

Posted by Dhanno on (November 25, 2012, 14:43 GMT)

@3 cents Well said. India (read BCCI XI) has nothing to learn from all this. They will just change the cricket to two IPL seasons + one CL, make it a mega tournament in which 20 local teams participate and the so called fans will love it. The glamour, the pom pom girls, Gayle's main acts and as rightly pointed out some Vijays, Sharmas side acts against hapless indian bowlers who would be there just to make a living. Test cricket as we know will be dead, because although Clarke/ Cook and few others have shown admirable restrain in giving Test matches their due, the new crop of foreign players may not do so. We will have a baseball style league, with Jamshedpur whirepollers beating Nagpur Oranges in grand final. And no one will care !

Posted by indianpunter on (November 25, 2012, 14:43 GMT)

Revenge is a dish best served cold, so said Gautam gambhir after the last england series. He couldnt wait for the englishmen to land on indian shores and capt cool wanted turning tracks. sadly, no one told them about KP and Monty. Well done, England.Hats off to you guys, to the indomitable bulldog, never say die spirit. India will be beaten to pulp here, on a pitch tailor made for them. I hope this prompts the powers that be to make the hard calls and talk about elephants in the room. I was gravely concerned that India was going back to the bad old 90s, with dust bowls. Hopefully, better sense will prevail. Otherwise, 3-1 england!!

Posted by Ramansilva on (November 25, 2012, 14:41 GMT)

What happened to the world-class spin bowlers and famed Indian batting line-up?

Posted by GRVJPR on (November 25, 2012, 14:39 GMT)

England fans have no idea of Indian Conditions. India is Just 69 runs away from a famous victory Here. England should thanks Aleem Dar for giving them a chance, But India will win. They have done it many a times. Remember Laxman and Ishant puttig up a 100 run partnership for the 10th wicket. India 2- Eng 0

Posted by fan_of_good_cricket on (November 25, 2012, 14:38 GMT)

Most people here seem to have assumed that India has already lost this match. I don't think so! If Gambhir manages to put good partnerships with Harbhajan and Zaheer, it will be a testing task for England. I still remember Australia losing here despite chasing a modest 107. Also, England must not forget their failure against spin in fourth innings earlier this year, when they lost (quite comprehensively) by 72 runs against Pakistan in UAE, while chasing just 145. Though the quality of spin bowling here is debatable, its still not going to be easy. But this match has indeed revealed weaknesses in Indian batting line up and have proved why the rest of the world call them FTBs. Does anyone here has the honour of being in close circles of Sachin? Tell the great man that he is only going to lose respect by continuing to play.

Posted by JChandi on (November 25, 2012, 14:36 GMT)

What a come back, England you proved that you are the best in the world, this is a good lesson for India(FTBs) who can only play on flat tracks in sub continent.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 14:34 GMT)

Tendulkar must leave cricket now just for the youngster,,why he is sticking with the Indian team,,and it is again proved that test cricket is only win by bowling not by batting,,,sehwag is failed,as he should score the runs,,because he is the line on home grounds only,,,and kohley is failed also,,,he must learn the test cricket..

Posted by a1234s on (November 25, 2012, 14:32 GMT)

as much as I would like to give England a pat on the back,I just can't. the difference between the two sides in this match is just one KP inning.

England are banal against spin and they should thank their lucky stars that KP managed to score big. Look at the other 8 batsman. they have been abysmal.

As far as India goes, I would have to say this was a totally inept performance. You are in India, play like a home team. You need to take the initiative. If I were Dhoni, I would have asked all the 10 players to have a bowl. Bringing Bhajji on after 25 overs in the first innings and then after 12 overs this morning is just criminal. This was a 250-300 pitch and you let England have a 200+ run partnership??? Dhoni is a passive captain and that might work in some cases. But, this is just ridiculous.

I still think though that this series is for India to lose.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 14:31 GMT)

@GerrardLK first of all it is ICC not ICCI,nd secondly india are the world champions in one format and ranked in top 5 in TEST,so by no way are they going to lose their test status,so keep dreaming.and BCCI may be inept at administration but this country is not weak in cricket.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 14:29 GMT)

A similar match which was unforgettable to me was Sunil Gavasker's last test match at Bangaluru in 1987 between India and Imran Khan's Pakistan team. Its reminds me Tauseef Ahmed + Iqbal Qasim Vs Monty Panesar+ Swan. What a match it was. Pak won by just 7 runs. S.Gavasker got out(last?) for 96. who knows this too may be a thriller?.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 14:27 GMT)

@freo75 and front-foot-lunge. remember the Bell incident? It was Dhoni that let him come back despite Bell having walked off before the interval. So for you to say Dhoni is unsporting is completely wrong. England is not beyond reproach and has committed several unsportsmanlike behaviour over many years so get your facts right.

Posted by Nilesh_T on (November 25, 2012, 14:27 GMT)

Indian team on the brink of a thumping defeat in less than 4 days. Completely outplayed by the brilliance and fighting spirit of Cook & Kevin , good on them. Its high time Dhoni was paid back in his own coin for the arrogance of demanding 'doctored' pitches. 3 top class spinners could not ruffle the England side whilst Mony & Swann made mincemeat of the famed Indian top order. Sehwag resting on his laurels of centure from last game & nothing from him for next 10 innings, Virat good but inconsistent, Dhoni's batting has gone to pieces,Yuvraj unreliable in his comeback,SRT a shadow of former self & Zaheer in the twilight. All the English supporters have earned the drum beating rights becoz it was presumed that this series would be in India's pocket even before a ball was bowled. IPL has been the death knell for Indian test cricket. 8 test defeats oversesas and now this . Sack Duncan Fletcher as the first step, and give a chance to Badrinath, Raina and Rohit.

Posted by UAETigers on (November 25, 2012, 14:26 GMT)

it's really amazing!!! IND went to loose 0-8 against ENG and AUS without a fight and they complaint that the wickets were fast and bouncy with green tops!! They called for turn table kind of pitches and now when they got one they were outplayed by ENG batters who are not good players of spin!! Now what would be the excuse from MS Dhoni?? it will be interesting to see...!! If Indian in India can't win on turning tracks where they will play? Secondly batsmen is one who plays in all pitches and condition. Never heard same reasons from ENG, SA or AUS about turning wickets in sub-continent!! Amazing game by ENG...well done!

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 14:24 GMT)

He he he, its a delight to read the English here, brilliant bowling by the English tweakers, no doubt, but, it is the gloated throats of the Englishmen that makes for the sweetest sounds. Who knows what would have happened if Asad Rauf would have woken up from his endless nightmare? But let bygones be bygones, the Englishmen must be reminded of one figure "28 YEARS IN THE MAKING"

Posted by Scube on (November 25, 2012, 14:20 GMT)

That's a very poor stroke from Ashwin as a frontline batsman! If he or Dhoni is trying to hoodwink anyone that he is playing as a frontline bowler while playing any of the top 5 nations in tests, it's high time to reassess! But, a pretty decent batsman indeed!

Posted by Juiceoftheapple on (November 25, 2012, 14:19 GMT)

As in the great film, I'd like to stand atop the barricades at Rorkes drift, whip off my white hat and sing a little jig, as the overwhelming enemy scatter to the bush. Brilliant! And an unfair wicket to boot! what a day.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 14:19 GMT)

Again I am proved right that curren Indian's are poor players of spin. The English team plays spin much better.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 14:19 GMT)

"Panesar has 10 wickets in the match to date, the first time an England spinner has done that since Hedley Verity in the 1930s. "

Something's wrong with that paragraph. Swann's got Two 10Wicket Matches to his name so it's blatantly wrong as it stands.

I think you mean First England spinner to have done that *in India* since Hedley Verity in the 1930s ?

Posted by Mitch1066 on (November 25, 2012, 14:18 GMT)

I think your new number three is someone build team around. maybe you need replace sehwag or gambhir add new opener and you need another new face in middle order kolhi be good player in time your spinners are not so bad probably out done by swann and panesar but still not bad. I believe this test series b closer then most Indians thought but what annoys me is disrespect Indian fans and players have shown England team after all England are good side so deserve be given respect all talk of four nil is just arrogant yes we beat you at home lets be fair India you was poor when you in England least we giving you game now.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 14:17 GMT)

"Panesar has 10 wickets in the match to date, the first time an England spinner has done that since Hedley Verity in the 1930s."

This does not seem right. Derek Underwood has at least five ten wicket hauls for England.

Posted by alikhan224 on (November 25, 2012, 14:11 GMT)

Well i just wonder after this performance,what will the curator prepare for the eden gardens test.grassy pitch will excite the english bowlers and a spin track will spin indian batsmen in a spot of bother..so england well on course to prove my prediction of 2-1 test series win correct...believe me i have to rethink it after such a dismal performance of ind batsmen against spin,of which they are supposed to be better plyrs..shall i put my money on 3-1 to england?really need suggestions.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 14:07 GMT)

1. Dhoni, you asked for it. And got it. Literally & figuratively.

2. England was certainly the better team, both in batting & bowling.

3. Both teams can improve their fielding, considerably (Even there, youngsters like Pujara & Rahane showed their brilliance. And, courage)

4. Many of the veterans in the Indian team should retire gracefully, or should be retired, if they drag their feet. Of course, that will lack grace. But so be it.

5. Among the 5 spinners on show, Monty was the best; heads and shoulders above the rest. All of us who cried out loud, why he was not in the playing XI at Motera are vindicated.

6. I sense a little bit of reluctance on the part of many English cricket fans to accept Monty, wholeheartedly. Even in his moment of glory, it is his past weaknesses, which are highlighted.

7. One of the 2 latest movie releases from Bolllywood is "Son of Sardar". The English son turned out to be far superior to the Indian one.

8. Hearty Congrats to Pietersen, Cook & Monty

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 14:02 GMT)

Great days play. KP played a truly amazing innings that very few other batsmen could have played. I don't know why this writer and so many others mention his ego when talking about an innings. It was a brilliantly constructed and executed innings and has nothing to do with ego. Sehwag doesn't bat like he does due to ego! So why when KP plays well is it down to ego? Lazy journalism just using the same phrases again and again!

Posted by prabachris on (November 25, 2012, 14:01 GMT)

kohli is failed so far but he is still learning But what else tendulkar,yuvraj needs to prove to be not in the team .see lot of youngsters ( Rahane,Mukund..etc)are waiting for their chance to play for india , and still this guy is stubborn, no one in the india is bold and man enough to tell him that? every one appreciates his contribution to the Indian cricket but time is gone man.. see these peoples like tendulkar,sehwag,dhoni,yuvraj we respect them and they did enough for Indian cricket and being as a Indian cricketers they have earned enough fame and money to settle down.its time they have to invest their money in the share market or any other business and not sitting in indian cricket with white bearded middle aged uncles.Its time for the youngsters to come up and face the challenges and the show what they can do to Indian cricket.for these guys its another game but for rindian cricket fans cricket is the blood and life man.

Posted by IPSY on (November 25, 2012, 13:57 GMT)

I think that Mr Tendulkar should be advised to retire until the next Bangldeshi tour comes up; then he can come back out of retirement to do what he has been doing throughout his career. I also wonder how many Indians are living' with him in his huge 'Bubble of Denial'?

Posted by avmd on (November 25, 2012, 13:57 GMT)

England had done their home work very well. Can't imagine a better coaching staff for them. Gooch and Flowers were among the best batsmen against spin in their days and look at their spin coach, a Pakistani. Who, I'm sure has some extra motivation to humilate the "old enemy" and knows all the ins and outs of spiinning tracks in subcontinent. Great test series, love it.

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (November 25, 2012, 13:56 GMT)

@moBlue, spot on mate, Batsmen need to be tested under different conditions, Id much rather watch a low scoring 4 innings test match that ebbs and flows, than a 5 day slog fest, also bowling needs the same examination. I'm surpised the indian spinners havent extracted as much turn as the England duo, though chasing anything over 120 could be interesting.

Posted by BnH1985Fan on (November 25, 2012, 13:56 GMT)

For once Indian fans are quiet. Understandably so. They are having difficulty dealing with the fact that while Cook and Pietersen handled spin well, their own batsmen could not. Panesar was being described by Gavaskar as bowling too fast, almost at medium pace, to succeed as spinner on the wicket. I am certain he has eaten those words with a big serving of curry :). Just FYI, Yuvraj's average in this test is lower than SRT's, so may be he can be dropped and replaced by Raina. Personally, get rid of all the non-performing overpaid stars and bring in new blood that really wants to earn a name for themselves.

Posted by ajayrcs on (November 25, 2012, 13:54 GMT)

If India lose this , It will make series against Pak very interesting watching Ajmal Bowl to like of Sehwag or other spin dominant batsman. Maybe that series help India stop thinking about pitches and start searching some good fast bowlers.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 13:53 GMT)

Having called for doctored pitches (tracks with turn and bounce) Dhoni has discovered that he has neither the batsmen who can bat on, or the bowlers to exploit the conditions. Sad to say England look better equipped to win on such tracks. Problems for Dhoni to ponder, neither himself or Yuvraj belong in a test team, Sachin and Harbajan are past their sell by date by a long way. Sehwag can only bat on flat tracks. Ashwin is neither a good enough batsmen or a good enough bowler to be included in the team. Zaheer can only operate in short spells. That only leaves, Pujara, Gambhir, Kholi, Ojha and Yadav who have the credentials to be called international test cricketers. Where next for MSD and India. Flat tracks for the next two test to avoid the humiliation of losing the first test series at home since 1984.

Posted by landl47 on (November 25, 2012, 13:46 GMT)

KP played brilliantly, but Cook is even more impressive to me, because he doesn't have Pietersen's natural ability. This was a very fine innings on a pitch which has never been easy. I've also never seen Panesar bowl better. He seems to have finally grasped the art of variation and added to his ability to spin the ball that makes him a very fine bowler. I thought England might match up with India's batting, but to see them outbowling India's spinners is very heartening. However, I still remember the horror of the second test in the UAE and I'm counting no chickens yet.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 13:45 GMT)

Great show Alaistair Cook, KP & Monty. India truly missing Dravid & Laxman and definitely having some extra baggage in the playing XI. I like Tendulkar a lot and hope he calls it a day rather than embarrassing his fan-base. Don't really know what has Harbhajan done in recent times to get back in to the team. I hope they make some bold & sweeping changes right now and give Ajinkya/Manoj/Abhinav a chance to get into the groove ahead of the important South Africa series.

Posted by anilkp on (November 25, 2012, 13:44 GMT)

Being an Indian disappointed with the Indian team's arrogance, it was great this morning to wake up and see the score card. Awsome. Dhoni, Gambhir et al now know which team bowls spin better, and which team plays spin better. I agree to the demend that Indians pitches should be rank-turners; but I differ from Dhoni and rest in one knowledge: that Indians cannot boast to be best players of spin just because they were born in India. The quality of spin bowlers in India for last few years now tells that the stock is alarmingly almost-nonexistent; so how do you develop the technique to play spin? I am happy that the entire team is now down with foot-in-mouth disease. More the rubbles the merrier; hopefully something good will come out. But, when 0-8 could not change a thing, what else could? The best hope for all us Indian fans is to be hopeless. And, can we please hear the announcements from the two greats, SRT and RTP this week?

Posted by stormy16 on (November 25, 2012, 13:43 GMT)

Didnt see this coming and what a show by Eng! Said this at the begining of the series, KP's handling of the spinners will determine Eng's fortunes. Cook was good (very good) but KP was something else. What he did more than making runs was taking away the possiblity of the Indian spinners, the possibility of Indian spinners running through Eng. India were so stunned by it - they crumbled. As it stands, India are looking down the barrel with the only glimmer of hope being to scrath around another 75 runs. That still leaves to deal with KP again.

Posted by ravis123 on (November 25, 2012, 13:41 GMT)

It was Pujara who had sustained India for the first test with support of Sehwag and then in the 1st innings of this test, with Ashwin. Apart from Pujara, no one from India seemed to have a clue as to how to play spin! MSD's tactic has boomeranged on him.. With a line up reading Gambhir and Sehwag (who are expected to succeed once in say 10 tests), an out of form Virat and an ageing Sachin, a shaky Yuvraj (who has not come to grips with Test cricket yet), we are looking at a very BRITTLE INDIAN LINE UP... MSD's tactic of asking for a spin pitch has benefitted England more, as Swann and Monrty seemed unplayable today... far far betterthen their Inidan counterparts..God save India in the remaining tests..

Posted by CandidIndian on (November 25, 2012, 13:40 GMT)

Adding to my last comment , India are on the verge of returning to 90s when they were a below average test team who used to win only at home.Since rise of Ganguly as a captain in 2001,things changed and India achieved what looked impossible, that is 1-1 in Aus,victory in Pakistan, victory in Eng 2007, 1-1 in SA,Victory in WI and NZ.The main reason was that our young players developed into fighting cricketers like Dravid, Laxman ,Kumble ,Ganguly who were eager to do well outside India too.Now when these players have retired we are left with players having star values and blind followers backing them,there is no accountability whatsoever.India had to lose at home to get the required shock for those who are running cricket in India,test cricket isnt joke and it should not be taken lightly.Always behind Indian team though, win or loss,hope that strong actions will be taken now,Mandeep,Rahane,Mukund,Tiwary,Bisht are waiting give them the required chance.

Posted by CandidIndian on (November 25, 2012, 13:39 GMT)

Adding to my last comment , India are on the verge of returning to 90s when they were a below average test team who used to win only at home.Since rise of Ganguly as a captain in 2001,things changed and India achieved what looked impossible, that is 1-1 in Aus,victory in Pakistan, victory in Eng 2007, 1-1 in SA,Victory in WI and NZ.The main reason was that our young players developed into fighting cricketers like Dravid, Laxman ,Kumble ,Ganguly who were eager to do well outside India too.Now when these players have retired we are left with players having star values and blind followers backing them,there is no accountability whatsoever.India had to lose at home to get the required shock for those who are running cricket in India,test cricket isnt joke and it should not be taken lightly.Always behind Indian team though, win or loss,hope that strong actions will be taken now,Mandeep,Rahane,Mukund,Tiwary,Bisht are waiting give them the required chance.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 13:37 GMT)

It is good that the weaknesses and the real strengths of our players are exposed at least now. The English Captain and the Australian Captain are leading by example. What does our Indian Captain do? It is time the BCCI, Selectors, Cricket Experts, Coaches put their heads together and start rebuilding Indian team for the future and not worrying about losing in the present and groom promising youngsters for the future.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 13:36 GMT)

Wow! all the naysayers are out in big numbers. Guys match isn't over yet and let's give the credit where it is due. KP played out of his skin. One of the best knocks i have seen him play. Few more runs on the board and India is back in hunt. It ain't over until its over. let's see tomorrow!!!

Posted by Britind on (November 25, 2012, 13:35 GMT)

How many times we have seen this pathetic batting performance by this star studded batting line up. Can't play pace bowling.Can't play spin bowling.I am sure the so called experts will say we should not have knee jerk reaction to change this star studded batting line up and keep the same players for the next game.. I really feel sorry for the young talented batsmen not getting selected.I have no doubt they will perform far better than this bunch of useless so called star cricketers. It is so painful to watch us loosing in this manner.

Posted by SoulTaker on (November 25, 2012, 13:32 GMT)

@Michael Thomas and other English fans who bash Indian team...you have not yet won this test match and yet you guys are showing ur arrogance....@Michael Thomas : well last time i checked England lost the number 1 status at home buddy so chill its still long way to go in this series.....

Posted by worldchampionsx3 on (November 25, 2012, 13:30 GMT)

Alright calm down everyone. First of all remember we have already won a Test Match with the same team. I would say our bowlers bowled very well, but its was all about two great batsman, especially Pietersen. People are already calling it one of the best innings, mostly because none of other batsman including England's could not survive (none for england except cook or kevin scored past 30). I would agree our batsman needs to be more decisive, and get their act together. But then again this team has not lost many matches this year. Its a long series, I am confident we will fight back.

Posted by landl47 on (November 25, 2012, 13:30 GMT)

@Mina_Anand: Unfortunately, you didn't go on to read Law 32.3 (e), which says: A catch shall be considered to be fairly made if.... a fielder catches the ball after it has touched an umpire, another fielder or the other batsman. However, it is not a fair catch if the ball has previously touched a protective helmet worn by a fielder. The ball will then remain in play.

The ball touched Gambhir's helmet before he caught it, so it was not out. Yes, it is pretty simple, providing you read the whole law.

Posted by liz1558 on (November 25, 2012, 13:29 GMT)

Never was a truer word spoken in jest? KP Genius

Posted by maddyjagadish on (November 25, 2012, 13:27 GMT)

England deserve to win this test match. Indian administration is losing interest in test cricket and that is the reason why we see india doing badly in tests. Even in first test match had england played for another one hour the match would have been drawn.... I see some of the indian players(sehwag) yawning in the morning session of test match, if u take fitness and form into consideration only 4-5 players will be selected ... i never thought this day would come when as a fan of sachin i would be requesting him to make way for youngsters ... test cricket in india will die soon

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 13:26 GMT)

Omg!!just came back from tution and shocked to see India 117-7 31 runs lead :( So called Best players of spin bowling :/

Posted by sachin_vvsfan on (November 25, 2012, 13:25 GMT)

More than English fans our neighbors enjoy the fall of indian innings :) Credit where it is due. Monty, cook and KP are the players to take honors. Still remember Monty's contribution in Mumbai that helped them drew the series (i think in 2006). I hope now indian selectors take some tough calls. One day specialists Yuvi and dhoni(what will he complain now?) has to leave test cricket. sachin, bhajji please take retirement. You are just embarrassing your fans

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 13:25 GMT)

I am tired of flower begging every time he perceives a wrong decision has been made. I have not known of another coach who does that .... Now Indian team thought it was the pitch and hence the lost. Fact is the team has sucked for awhile and there has been no leadership from the selectors srikanth and company...now Patil who has experience and the chance takes it up and tells Sachin to retire drops a bunch of guys settled in comfortable in their perches and give someone else a chance. It is time for change but then knowing India and the ways we function I can say with almost 90% certainty it ain't happening

Posted by SoulTaker on (November 25, 2012, 13:25 GMT)

As i feared India is going to loose this test match unless and until a miracle happens....so it clearly shows that compared to the English spinners our spinners are worthless except Ojha.....when is BCCI going to realise that Dhoni is not fit for test matches...they should take some serious decision about our test team selection unless and until they do so we will be even be defeated by Zimbabwe in our own background....this is the worst test team in the history of Indian cricket....

Posted by anshu.s on (November 25, 2012, 13:20 GMT)

Oaky India sre probably going to lose this teast match most likely but some people instead of crediting England for there fine show in this particular test are giving long term prognosis and blaming IPL for this apparrent defeat, what does IPL got to do with it, wasn't it was over in may !!! instead of India of objective analysis people have resorted to India bashing, some suggesting we are big names and hyped but i say less so than Premeirship footballers in England, what has England won after 1966 WC , EPL hasn't benefited your national team after all, atleast afterthe advent of IPL we have been no.1 in tests for a while,won 50 over WC in 2011, u-19 WC in 2012.Listen i just want to congrutulate English team for there performance here and i hope they get due reconition back home in football mad England and not some news about Chelsea v/s Man City dominating the media.What brilliant batting by KP and Cook and then followed by Monty and Swanny in bowling.

Posted by knan on (November 25, 2012, 13:19 GMT)

Well played England. Bowled well and batted well. Outstanding innings from KP. The wickets falling like nine pins after KP's departure shows what a superb innings it was. If KP were to get into trouble with ECB once again, the BCCI should push for honorary citizenship for KP and get him into the Indian team !! I was scanning the news to see if Sachin has announced his retirement , but have been disappointed. Anyway the day is not far off unless the selection committee shows some courage and drop him. If India can get a lead of 100 , the match should be interesting even though an England victory is on the cards. As an Indian supporter, have to admit that we have been outbatted and outbowled by England in this match. I wonder what Dhoni will tell the curator for the next match

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 13:19 GMT)

I hope Dhoni is finally happy with a spinning track.. One thing is sure our bowlers are no where in the standards of Swann and Panasar.. Even their batsman looks superior.. We are crumbling under pressure. I heard earlier comparison of Pujara to dravid.. Its absurd and premature. Dravid performed exceptionally under pressure and i think pujara still have a long way to go to match that. As far as this match goes, we need another 100 runs min to have a hint of hope.. Even i doubt that considering the skill of English batsman..

Posted by SandyzXI on (November 25, 2012, 13:19 GMT)

I really think the Indians got upon themselves exactly what they wanted to do to England instead! What a shame to see the great Indian batsmen falter like that!

Posted by salil247 on (November 25, 2012, 13:18 GMT)

There's nothing to it. Even the best teams lose. I don't think one can blame BCCI for it. One should avoid knee-jerk reaction and be patient with the hosts. As for Dhoni, I can't believe people are putting him down for his captaincy. His achievements as captain are unparalleled. In Australia in 2008, the only match India won was under Dhoni's captaincy. When we lost in England & Australia without winning a single game, the margin of defeat in every single match was so much that it can't be blamed on captaincy. Superman would have failed to deliver as captain in England & Australia. Its a team game and when none of the players are performing its hard to put the blame on captain. On the other hand if its a close match, the captaincy is tested. Today, India collapsed and Superman's "captaincy" couldn't have stopped it. Same with UDRS. When India benefit from it, total silence, when they lose, "if only"!

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 13:17 GMT)

"Panesar and Swann equalled their Indian counterparts". They bowled much better than Ashwin/Ojha/Harbhajan. They bowled quicker through the air and reaped rich rewards. Although I did expect them to bowl well, I expected Indian batsmen who grew up playing in these kind of pitches to put a better fight. Very poor stuff!

Posted by baranasai on (November 25, 2012, 13:16 GMT)

it is time we send off all the oldies and start with a young team.They may loose a few series but will gain experience gradually.What is the victory percentage with these expreineced group-it my be slighly lower with the younger ones but the humilation will be less as the younger team is still in learning stage.Regarding Dhoni -he should quit captaincy SRT Zaheer Bhajji needless to say-choose your own way to go.The new blood will gradually fill the slots we should have more fatser bowlers and the spinner shoud be genuine and not half baked like Ashwin and Ohja.Rest should be an rotaion basis so that no body cemnent their place earn more work less -win nothing outside India. Look at Hockey players like Tirkey given 1 lakh when players like V anandh SRT etc get crores after crores - unless we correct this imbalance the MSDs will prevail team BUt the TEam India will be in shables

Posted by heathrf1974 on (November 25, 2012, 13:16 GMT)

@Graemo Ov Trablus I agree with what most of you said, but Anderson and Broad aren't huge names. They're good to very good.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 13:15 GMT)

Indian cricket board should take this certain defeat with great concern. They should make many changes for the next test. Dropping Tendulkar, Yuvraj and Harbhajan Singh and bringing two new batsmen and a spinner. This is a sad day for Indian cricket. On a spinner's track with the so called three spinners, letting the opposition score 400 plus runs. It also shows the quality of batsmenship from cook and Peterson.

Posted by itsthewayuplay on (November 25, 2012, 13:14 GMT)

Maybe Dhoni will go back and for low slow flat track pitches. Unless India scores 500+, our bowlers have no chance. This test shows that scoreboard pressure meant England lost the game. Not sure if the pitch would have suited Monty but water under the bridge now. Pitches with any life means that we cannot expect anything from Gambhir Sehwag Tendulkar and Yuvraj.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 13:14 GMT)

England can only win in India with the help of an Indian origin player i.e. Monty Panesar yes that's right, unfortunately we don't import foreign players, if we had at least a couple of them we were still number#1 in test, anyway Gambhir's Century and Bhajji's half century will give Indian a 2-0 lead and then ECB should cease England team to play test matches only in Grassy England Wickets! where broad can at least take a wicket or 2, and the other grassy pitch English bowlers and Monty will again make way for other grassy quick English bowlers in the team :)

Posted by electric_loco_WAP4 on (November 25, 2012, 13:12 GMT)

A Cook and KP making runs in the flattest of roads- Where else but in India- in a tiny Mumbai stadium earning soft hundreds for themselves. They would rate their own 100s scored against Bangladesh more than this match. What more Ind were playing 4 spinners on such flat track -the fastest of them a veteran left armer in his last legs of his career into his mid 30s and unfit bowling 125 kph with seam bolt upright with a little lesser 'spin' off the pitch than the others..) and these Eng batsmen had a free pickings out there- Can't believe Ind's only real 'quick' U Yadav comfortably quickest of all pacers in 1st test- more than Eng's military medium 'Quicks'!!-few wickts as well....The same batsmen were being skittled by the SA pacers only a while back in the thrashings they got from SA in Eng recently.What sort of carnage will the express Aus bowlers do to Eng in Ashes- with Aus matching SA as the only world class bowling attack atm..... anybody's guess....

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 13:12 GMT)

'Panesar has 10 wickets in the match to date, the first time an England spinner has done that since Hedley Verity in the 1930s.' I remember Phillip Tufnell taking 11 in New Zealand in 1991, first test.

Posted by maddy20 on (November 25, 2012, 13:09 GMT)

To all those English fans thumping their chests, this match is far from over. All it takes one late order fightback like the 100+ partnership between Ashwin and Pujara, will tilt the scales in India's favor again. Remember that England lost their last 6 wickets for 30 runs. Any target of 150 or above would be very challenging on this surface. Now if only Bhajji can reproduce some of the magic as he has done so many times in the past! Exciting day of test cricket ahead!

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 12:59 GMT)

Well deserved for India for selecting team for names. Why the hell is Sachin still playing. He will not retire himself, he is such a selfish guy. He did not at any time in career bothered about team. He played for his own records only. Only some sense less idiots support sachin still. Please drop sachin, bring in Rahane. Dhoni should also be replaced in tests with Karthick or Patel. Openers also should be replaced. Kohli did not do anything in this series, but he will come good for sure. Rohit is best suited for this format, but he is played in one-day and T20.

Posted by Numerouno9 on (November 25, 2012, 12:54 GMT)

Dhoni wished for spin wicket, he won the toss and still India in such a pathetic situation, they can't play on bouncy and swinging pitches, now they cant play on turning wickets too. What type of wicket you want in the 3rd test match Mr. Dhoni?

Posted by SICHO on (November 25, 2012, 12:54 GMT)

What is it with the out-of-form-old-timers refusing to retire? Ponting and Tendulkar should call it quits they aren't anything with the bat, anyway isn't that the reason why they're selected? Obviously Kallis has 3 if not 4 years int'l cricket.

Posted by usernames on (November 25, 2012, 12:53 GMT)

@moBlue - Correction: Rohit Sharma is a domestic cricket and IPL legend. Not ODIs. :-)

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 12:53 GMT)

The worst thing India could do now would be to listen to (some of) their fans. "Sack Dhoni!" "Drop Sachin, Virat and Yuvraj"! "Ashwin and Bhaji can't bowl!" Blimey! If you have your way, then India will field upwards of 25 players every series - a policy that has been tried by England under Peter May ("100 Before the End of May") with no success whatsoever. What has happened is that India have come up against two truly inspired performances; by Pietersen and Panesar. These things do happen occasionally and all you can do at the time is to applaud while trying not to lose your head.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 12:50 GMT)

The difference is there for everyone to see , Captain Cook plays like a captain and Pieterson played like how No 4 would play, India is blessed with 100 Test super duper flop opener , captain cool being uncool and a no 4 past his prime, Pujara and Kohli no shame for you, you still new , shame on the seniors and selectors. If India does not win this series , then Dhoni must count his days as test captain as over. What else explains his reluctance to give Bhajji such less overs ..

Posted by csowmi7 on (November 25, 2012, 12:49 GMT)

If India go on to lose this test match which in all possibility seems highly likely it is not because of poor bowling but bad batting. India had the perfect chance to win this match after winning the toss and choosing to bowl first. Yes we conceded a 85 run lead but that just compensates for the fact that England would have had to play on a fifth day pitch. If India had played out the evening session without losing more than 3 wickets and batted till tea tomorrow they could have set England a target close to 200-250 on an absolute minefield of a pitch on day 5. Nevertheless the England spinners deserve all the praise along with kp and Cook and are very close to making this series 1-1. The Indian batting line-up certainly looks fragile now barring pujara who is masking the true ineptness of this batting line-up. Being an India fan am really sad to see things go downhill so fast after winning the world cup :(

Posted by colombo_SL on (November 25, 2012, 12:49 GMT)

KP has once again showed his class. Due to a similar inning of him in Sri Lanka at P. Sara Oval, we had to taste the bitterness of a defeat. There spinners also did a wonderful job there.

Posted by brusselslion on (November 25, 2012, 12:48 GMT)

Up until day, the majorityof Indian posters were claiming that Ashwin/ Ohja formed the best spin attack in the world; the IPL was the greatest thing to have ever happened to cricket and the BCCI were innovative leaders of the game. Fast forward 24 hours, and now the posts suggest that Ashwin can't spin a ball, Panesar is better than Ohja, the IPL is responsible for the decline in Indian Test performances and the BCCI couldn't run a whelk stall! Jeez.. talk about fair-weather fans.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 12:48 GMT)

still two days left in match..any thing can happen in cricket(sport)...still india have chances. in this match recollect the match between Ind vs Aus in 2006 at wankhede..india sucessfully defended 104 by beating them 13 runs...may be england can win the match..but they couldn't win the series...this is my challenge...

Posted by Biggus on (November 25, 2012, 12:43 GMT)

Hilarious! Couldn't have happened to a more deserving group of 'fans'. Stick the boot in Poms!

Posted by Swannyscat on (November 25, 2012, 12:42 GMT)

"Panesar has 10 wickets in the match to date, the first time an England spinner has done that since Hedley Verity in the 1930s."

Not true, Swann has achieved that feat twice, including once earlier this year - http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/521226.html and http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/426423.html

I think it is probably the first time an English spinner has taken ten in a match IN INDIA since Verity?

Posted by mark2011 on (November 25, 2012, 12:41 GMT)

what a shame for india... 6 top order batsmen coudnt reach to double figures in 2nd inning.. so called best players against spinners....wehrs kholis batting....future Sachin..???.i think his luck has run out now....dhoni's pitch back fired him...india thinks they are unbeatabe at home...so now what....????...may rain come to save helpless hyped india.....

Posted by malepas on (November 25, 2012, 12:40 GMT)

This was coming,,Indian cricket is in the state of deniel and this is what happened with this,,I've warned before that making turning wickets will hurt India cos England have better spinners then India and they have better batters to cop with the situations,,I thought KP inclusion did the trick for England as he is the only one from both sides who can play like he did,,India are carrying lots of dead weight,,old heroes round thier keck,,they need to shake them off and try to live in present if they want to improve,,they still have some hope if they can manage 140+ for England to chase,,but another 100 will be very hard to make,,but first hour will be very crusial for both teams,,morning roll should give India some hope as this is the only thing they can wish for. Too much IPL is BAD,,,BCCI should learn this as quickly as possible. Well done England.

Posted by colombo_SL on (November 25, 2012, 12:40 GMT)

Interesting game of cricket. Interesting than SL Vs. NZ match. What a performance by Pujara, Ojha, KP & cook. Hope Ghambir can extend the lead furthur.

Posted by Nandu_Athadu on (November 25, 2012, 12:39 GMT)

India caught in its own web....Well payed England....you are in the verge of leveling the series...it is just a matter of a session...I am die hard fan of SACHIN...but i must say he has lost his touch..it is very painful for me to see him struggle on home pitches to a good spinner like Panesar (he had upper hand with the greatest spinners of his era like Murali n Warne).. i think these are signs of aging and slow reflexes....I think he will announce some news at the end of this series...I need SACHIN to be remembered as GOD of cricket..many may forgot the services you have done to world n Indian cricket, the smiles you have spread on our faces but remembering only the lean patch these days...you are the spirit and driving force for many of young cricketers....ALL D BEST SIR...We love you..

Posted by Bruisers on (November 25, 2012, 12:38 GMT)

@Perera32 - Aren't SL currently floored by Taylor and Williamson's brilliance? Have any excuses for that, by chance?

Posted by colombo_SL on (November 25, 2012, 12:35 GMT)

Hope Gambhir & rest of the batsmen can extend the lead beyond 100 tomorrow. Then India can put the pressure back on England. Anything can be happened on a particular day.

Posted by ajpoolshark on (November 25, 2012, 12:34 GMT)

@ Lmaotsetung....I agree, Eng are still capable of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, 30+ years of long suffering Eng viewing has taught me that!..lol

A note from an Englishman to the Indian Selectors....Don't you dare drop Tendulkar, as for our bowlers, this over-rated has-been is a walking wicket ;)

Posted by TheRisingTeam on (November 25, 2012, 12:32 GMT)

Don't understand why the masterclass Sachin is still playing, you could've filled in a young talent or probably wants more personal glory. Even on slow tracks, India are hopeless well done England :)"

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 12:31 GMT)

Its all interesting to "ask" for turning wickets and get rolled over on it when offered, Dhoni needs to take a serious look at his batting all over again, just wonder how much DRS could have helped India in this series. Is it time to embrace it???

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 12:31 GMT)

nice work dhoni and co. u get rolled over by a mediocre spinner at best on your own turf,when u wanted spin friendly tracks

and SRT its time

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 12:31 GMT)

Tendulkar is way past is prime . He is past that phase where you can call it bad form or bad patch. His reflexes have become quite slow and footwork is even more poorer . He must simply retire and give a chance to younger players to emerge.

Posted by colombo_SL on (November 25, 2012, 12:30 GMT)

I couldn't watch the last session of the match after tea. OMG, everything has happened there!

Posted by Badgerofdoom on (November 25, 2012, 12:30 GMT)

Exciting stuff, India in trouble but if they can somehow get another 100 runs ahead then who knows as the ball is really spitting off the surface. Nothing wrong with the pitch, spins part of the game. Also contrary to some of the comments on this board, the games not over yet.

Posted by Bruisers on (November 25, 2012, 12:29 GMT)

@Michael Thomas - Hello!? How many home Tests have India lost in the past five years? As many as England have lost in the past five months, right? :P

Posted by Akshita29 on (November 25, 2012, 12:28 GMT)

KP the Handsome Devil and panesar the smiling Assasin has destroyed and finished India in India that too in mumbai. Wow that was an innings of such utter dominance arrogance . Would have been such a sad story if this great cricketer was thrown away in the dust . But he is back . This innings is the greatest ever in India against India . Nobody Has dominated like that . Thats why he should be treated with much love and care . As for India's shameful performance so far ,I simply have no words to describe it . This has proved India cant play spin at all in testing conditions and more importantly with quality spinners in opposition .

Posted by malepas on (November 25, 2012, 12:28 GMT)

@dk_sud- wow,,your rating of world's teams with best spinners is quite amazing,let me tell you,there is a country called Pakistan and they have couple of spinners by the names of Ajmal and Rehman,,just look at thier records from last 10 test matches,,and then compare them with any other teams spinners,,I'm sure you can do some calculations, you may wanted to change ur thoughts.

Posted by Herath-UK on (November 25, 2012, 12:26 GMT)

In the two match series against Sri Lanka England pulled off a win in the second Test after losing the first at Galle on the back of a marvellous 150 by KP;sad it was limited only to two matches so could not see who would have come on top if were more matches.KP did the same here with another marvellous knock for an imminent resounding win.Bouquet to ECB for resolving KP's issue to reinstall to the current team. Ranil Herath - Kent

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 12:26 GMT)

Great to see so many wonderful test matches being playing by top ranked teams. Love test Cricket. All the best to India.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 12:23 GMT)

Great day for England. India once again fail once pressure is applied for an extended period.

Posted by Herbet on (November 25, 2012, 12:20 GMT)

This test reminds me of the England v West Indies test at Edgbaston in 1995. England prepared a green top and packed there team with seam bowlers, and were duly destroyed by Ambrose and Walsh inside 3 days, who were a million times better than Englands seamers. India have prepared a raging turner, to play against a team with 2 class spinners.

Posted by Dunwall on (November 25, 2012, 12:20 GMT)

The pitch was absolutely in favor of English spinners, which, i think, was not the intention of the pitch curator! Ha, talk about tasting your own medicine...

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 12:19 GMT)

Indians fans, There is still time to get over. Therefore, dont lose hope. Surely, India will clinch the series, as two test matches is still to go.

Posted by moBlue on (November 25, 2012, 12:18 GMT)

just because IND may lose this test does not nullify dhoni's stance to ask the curator to prepare a pitch that turns and turns fast from day one! in fact, it amplifies that stance - in that this test match, unlike even the one at ahmedabad in test #1, actually showed us test cricket fans what it is like when batsmen are confronted with medium quality spin bowling [let alone facing warne, murali or ajmal on a helpful pitch!!!]... but isn't *that* the beauty of test match cricket? i, for one, am certainly bored with seeing nothing but swing and seam and high bounce on display with the batsmen hitting the lone spinner thru the line with impunity because they have the assurance that the pitch would never allow the ball to turn on those pitches! wasn't that brand of cricket one-dimensional? i want to see batters exposed to both kinds of tracks! ...and if oz, ENG and SA emphasize fast tracks, i have no problem with IND, SRI and PAK emphasizing turning tracks!!! i say this despite IND losing!

Posted by Stark62 on (November 25, 2012, 12:18 GMT)

@ dk_sud Pak have the best spinners in the world, followed by Eng!!

SL only have Herath, whilst Narine is struggling in Bang.

Posted by Gandini on (November 25, 2012, 12:18 GMT)

Stark62, you cannot put Lyon (15 Tests, av 29) on the same level as Tahir (11 tests, av 50 inc 0/260 in Adelaide atm), we'll see how good Ohja is when (if?) he gets a chance to play outside the sub continent, and if Herath can justify your rating in the upcoming matches in Australia.

Posted by LillianThomson on (November 25, 2012, 12:17 GMT)

I'm astonished that it has taken Indians this long to realise that Swann and Panesar are much better spinners than their own bowlers.

And that people really thought that Tendulkar was still good enough to play Test cricket.

Or that Yuvraj ever has been: after 39 Test matches he doesn't even average 35, despite playing on easy wickets in half his Tests.

The away series v Pakistan and Sri Lanka earlier this year were a great help for England, because they came up against better batting line-ups and better spinners than India has to offer.

Posted by matrim on (November 25, 2012, 12:15 GMT)

I think the presumptions are really going too far... The match ain't over yet and for all you know if India scrap a lead of close to 125 odd runs, England may yet find themselves in trouble . . India may well go on to lose this- but its still at least a Day away.

@Graemo Ov Trablus - I've rubbed my eyes a few times and i still see the same words Prior, Swann and broad HUGE names ????? we have loads many words for these folks and huge ain't one of them.. by your own logic all England has to trouble us are Cook and Anderson, and somehow they have managed to do just tht.. I'll fogrgive you the fact that u forgot to mention Sehwag (The lord of Big Centuries) and Gambhir, not to mention (Six sixes in an over, man of the tournament at the world freaking cup)Yuvraj . . i'm not the one to argue, but i just feel u missed a few points.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 12:13 GMT)

Abject defeats at home have rung in changes for better,REMEMBER WI-INDI 73-74,AUS-WI 79-80

Posted by zain29 on (November 25, 2012, 12:12 GMT)

Now that is an innings. Pietersen's 186 (45% of team total) was a truly great innings comming in the back drop of his failure at Ahmedabad and his much publicized problems against left-arm spin. And that too on a turning, bouncy third day Bombay wicket. He scored when needed to and this game-changer of an innings really changed the complexion of the match. I know bowlers are key in winning test matches, but once in a while a batsman appears on the horizon who through sheer talent and ability is a match winner (or a match saver) ala Viv, Lara or a Gavaskar. Unfourtunately it is this particulary facet of batting genius that I have failed to see in Sachin. I have seen his career over 23 odd years (infact saw him play his first ball in test cricket)but despite his obvious ability I dont remember his winning or saving a Test Match for India

Posted by Kashi0127 on (November 25, 2012, 12:11 GMT)

Ban IPL or ensure none of the players who get selected for Test Cricket have played IPL!

Posted by 200ondebut on (November 25, 2012, 12:11 GMT)

What a great days cricket for English fans. The opening sentence of the article has a pleasing and familiar ring to it - how many times has this been said in the last two seasons? No doubt India will fight and if they lose bounce back in the next test - it is though good to have a competitive series. Shame that so many have to use this forum to post their vindictive comments - grow up fools.

Posted by Solid_Snake on (November 25, 2012, 12:11 GMT)

When Pakistan did clean sweep against England recently,haters said that it was nothing as Pak were playing in home conditions.Atleast Pak did a clean sweep & was never under such situation as India is right now.Pak literally demolished England. Where are those who were comparing Ashwin with Ajmal..Its like comparing father with a new born baby.Now all went into hiding.I would love to hear about todays performance

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 12:10 GMT)

Indian Batting today is same as Bangladeshi Batting.......they made spinning track-which acted as Bumerang for them, the curator has forgot the spin attack of M. Panesar......what will the curator do now? make fast bowler friendly pitch next time-it will help Indian batsman to score more than 100 runs in 2nd innings....

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 12:09 GMT)

Sunil Gavaskar said VVS Laxman is blocking an youngsters place when VVS Laxman failed. But Laxman scored a century at home against West Indies. What has Tendulkar done. MR Gavaskar is Tendulkar not blocking youngsters place? Very Very Biased.

Posted by Hareesh72 on (November 25, 2012, 12:08 GMT)

Now, i think Dhoni should stop bickering about preparing spinning tracks, batsmen's inability to play spin etc. Now everybody know who are the better players of Spin and who can spin the ball better.

Now, Dhoni should introspect, at a time when all the captains (Smith, Clarke) are performing well, whats his contributions in this series, both as a Captain and as a batsman

Posted by JassimA on (November 25, 2012, 12:06 GMT)

I must echo the thoughts of CandidIndian..being an Indian from Australia , I have been embarrassed by this team and even more when people were claiming " We will see you at home"..This is a lesson for Indian cricket to not always be short sighted..and that Dhoni is average test player/captain at best..If you want to be a good test side you have to win abroad, if not win give good performances..England showed fight in the last test which was the catalyst for todays performance ..didnt see that in any of 8 tests

Posted by indianpunter on (November 25, 2012, 12:06 GMT)

Dhoni gets a taste of his own medicine !! he wanted turning tracks because he wanted to roll the english, but how the tables have been turned. I am so pleased with this ( despite being Indian). The elephants in the room will finally be talked about. Tendulkar should retire immediately. Yuvraj not for tests anymore ( finally, after 10 yrs we know that !!, incredible !!). Why was Harbhajan selected?

Posted by Kashi0127 on (November 25, 2012, 12:05 GMT)

Its important to have a good team that plays on any condition not a wicket one thinks is suited for Indians! Get rid of Dhoni, Tendulkar you would be better off. And even Gambhir - I know he is playing to stay in the team, but just for tht purpose.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 12:05 GMT)

dhoni's wickets in this match remind me of the catching practice he used to give to the slip fielders in england and australia, albeit to fast bowlers.. !!

Posted by baranasai on (November 25, 2012, 12:05 GMT)

it is time India rebuilds a young team dismantling old bandikoots. SRT need to go as wells MSD /Bhaji has no place so as Yuvvi/bring in new bowlers who can strat the rebuilding process Bring in new player at their young age may be at 22 -26 so that they stay for some long innings and team building will be done especially some real fast bowlers like England

I think the present stumbling block is MSD and SRT /Both need to go MSD off captaincy as he had lots in his mind and not giving his best for the team. People like Dravid and Lakshman walked out without being told that you are not wanted/Why senior people like SRT Ricky ponting still want to stick with young people when they are clearly seen their sell by dates long time ago atleast two seasons before. well -it is upto sandheep to do the ceremony ( as the Amarnath factor was stopped at earlier stages) The new team should be only on merit of performance and not otherwise

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 12:05 GMT)

Great fightback by England in the series. I will be happy when we get the runs tomorrow. Must finish the tail off. Would not like to chase even 80. If England do win, then they are going into the 3rd Test full of confidence. It's sad to see Tendulkar look so average. He should retire soon. Pujara seems to be the backbone of the team (as is Cook in the England team). Looking forward to more great test cricket. :-)

Posted by jmcilhinney on (November 25, 2012, 12:04 GMT)

Well Done Alistair Cook, well done Kevin Pietersen, well done Monty Panesar. Cook really set the stage for England and KP did what few batsmen could. To score that many runs at such a high strike rate on what is being shown to be a difficult wicket was just amazing. Monty is now ripping through the Indian batsman and you have to be happy for such a likeable character. I will just say this though. There are likely to be those who say that the fact that he has taken more wickets than Swann suggests that he should be England's first choice spinner. While it's true that he has bowled well in all his Tests recently, he has only ever bowled on relatively (or very) spin-friendly tracks. Whether or not he could do as well as Swann on less helpful surfaces is another question altogether. He's definitely got two more Tests coming up in this series though, so we get to see them in tandem for a while longer. Anyone taking bets on whether Broad will bowl this innings?

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 12:04 GMT)

"Panesar has 10 wickets in the match to date, the first time an England spinner has done that since Hedley Verity in the 1930s."

That needs a bit more explanation surely?

The first time an English spinner has taken 10 wickets in an innings in India since dear old Hedley.

Slightly staggering is the list of those who didn't even get 7 wickets in a match in India. Tufnell, Laker, Edmonds, Emburey. How Derek Underwood managed to take 54 wickets in India without every taking 10 in a match, I'll never know

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 12:02 GMT)

India will fight back but yes England team have won lots of sessions in this test. But we enjoyed the test cricket rather West.Indies vs Bangladesh match. If somehow India scores approx 150 then situation will be interesting in 4th inning, keeping in mind they have to take cook and Peterson quickly. Remember Indian has won first Test so its its even competition which we should expect from top teams like Australia, South Africa, Pakistan and Srilanka. Indian is for batter side than Bangladeshi and they have not won any match since 10+ years.

Posted by moBlue on (November 25, 2012, 12:02 GMT)

@michael thomas and others: not so fast, people! the IND team of the 2000s - when the fab. four were in their prime - did not lack for backbone! when ENG was routinely getting thrashed by oz who were on a 14-test match winning streak, it was ganguly's IND that stopped them dead in their tracks in the test match of the century! besides, check out cricinfo archives for what happened when IND played oz in AUS in 2003! we came within a whisker of beating oz in an away series - and even piled on 705 on a strong AUS team in one inning!!! - when all other teams (including ENG) were abjectly surrendering to oz as soon as they showed up! so don't tell me IND does not have "backbone"... the team is right now in transition and we've lost 3 out of the fab four... but it would be revisiting history to generalize broadly in the way that you did! in fact, i remember that the fab. four easily trounced ENG in ENG too!!! ain't nothing wrong with *their* backbone!!!

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 12:01 GMT)

I'm glad Dhoni wants a turning wicket, even though it didn't work to his favour. See this pitch has brought much more interesting cricket with it, than the road in Ahmedabad where England were literally ground to dust. These kinds of pitches are SOOOOOO much better for both sides. It may end faster, but at least you get a bloody result. If India lose, they should put their hands up and say the better team won and simply move on and play better cricket. Picking Harbhajan was both a mistake and a blessing. He could probably clout a quick 20-odd, but his bowling is a liability. Yadav, had he been fit, probably would have come in to take a few wickets and break some partnerships like he did in the first test but this time on a mutch better pitch for bowlers. All batsmen except Pujara, Ashwin and Gambhir it seems, are out of form, but there is nothing much you can do about it. Also lets not forget England's spectacular 72 all out, despite being in a winning position. Its not over yet.

Posted by Kashi0127 on (November 25, 2012, 12:01 GMT)

Three posssible reasons for Indias poor performance at Mumbai 1. While Dhoni asked for spinning tracks all the time, he forgot to mention England should not beallowed to select any spinners 2. Doni meant that wiket should be spinning only while India is bowling and Indian pitch makers should look at innovative ways of doing this 3. Monty Pennessar being originally Indian should have been selected for India team What a JOKE on Dhoni!

Posted by Farce-Follower on (November 25, 2012, 12:01 GMT)

For all the Indian fans - there will be absolutely no change to this team, even if India loses the series 3-1. There are cliques and vested interests in operation. And the fans themselves have a poor memory of the past and seem to adulate limited over sloggers. Virat, Yuvi and MSD will redeem themselves in the ODIs. As for SRT. He decides when he has to go. And that's the tragedy for Indian cricket.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 11:58 GMT)

If still dhoni want spinners friendly trak then england win 3-1 coz they have far better spinners

Posted by afs_talyarkhan on (November 25, 2012, 11:58 GMT)

well said @Ranjit S Gulvady. Many India fans are so blind they don't seen the crisis in Indian cricket. Only repeated humiliating drubbings and thrashings, home and away, against Oz, Saffies and England, will force them to engage in the requisite introspection. Only then will BCCI be faced with the crisis and have to take urgent measures for the benefit of test cricket. Until then India will not rediscover the art of test match cricket (Pujara excepted). Players like Yuvraj are not test players. As Sid Monga pointed out, players like Ashwin have the talent but not the patience. Ojha is one with a bright future - most of these guys have no future. What a retrogade step going in with 3 spinners (one of them a has-been, loud mouthed javelin-tossing lout ) - a throwback to the days when Abid Ali would take the shine off for the spinners! Well - now the England spinners are better and the England batters are better players of spin! For the good of Indian cricket - victory to England!

Posted by Massive_Allan_Border_Fan on (November 25, 2012, 11:57 GMT)

@Stark62, keep on underestimating Lyon all you want. His figures are no worse than Swann's (albeit with many fewer matches under his belt at this stage), he continues to take wickets against the South Africans (he personally took as many wickets in Brisbane as the entire Saffer bowling lineup and he's a good chance to take 5 in the second innings in Adelaide including Amla) yet you list him as being on par with Tahir who's just recorded the worst match figures in test history. But you keep on underestimating him and we'll see who laughs last.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 11:53 GMT)

@VijayAhale

I think your answer displays some the main weakness with Indian cricket. For you, of course, the Indian team is full of big names. For non-Indians there are 3 and a half big names H.Singh, Tendulkar, M.S Dhoni and Z. Khan. Tendulkar, for all his legendary record, is past it and shouldn't have been picked, Singh is reknowned but coming off a bad patch, Dhoni is out of form with the bat, and Khan is rated much more highly in India than outside it.

The rest are promising but still unproven players (though don't Ashwin and Pujara look good?), despite their IPL fame. Whereas in world cricket terms England have Pietersen, Cook, Prior, Anderson, Broad, Swan, who are all huge names (one of them somewhat unjustly,but still). The surprise is not this test, but the abject rollovers they have displayed against spin up till now.

Posted by dk_sud on (November 25, 2012, 11:52 GMT)

Contrary to hype, Indian spinners are no longer the best, not even second or third best in the world. Indian spinners are no match for spinners from Sri Lanka, West Indies and as has been proven in this test, England.

Dhoni wished for a spinning track, he got one. What will happen when, as law of averages suggests, India loose the toss and have to bat in fourth innings?

It is time our board nurtures fast tracks so that we can play well not only in India but all over the world. In the short term, it will be a painful decision but without that it will be a disaster for Indian cricket.

Posted by moBlue on (November 25, 2012, 11:52 GMT)

to all who complained - and still complain! - about this pitch with nonsensical talk of "dust bowls", "low bounce", etc.: there is *nothing* wrong with the bombay pitch! it has got vicious turn on day 3 [even at 95 kmph!] and good bounce, and is not inconsistent bounce! it is a pitch perfect for testing batsmen against decent-to-high quality spin bowling! what is wrong with playing a test cricket match on a track like this - as opposed to playing it *only* on the ones y'all are used to, pitches with bounce and seam/swing on day 1 which slowly deteriorate and never offer turning help to spinners where the batters can safely hit spinners through the line with the assurance that the ball doesn't turn?!? yes, IND may lose tomorrow, but without this pitch, we would not have seen pietersen's stand-out brilliance against spin! i will never understand what it is - other than blind bias - that would compel a true fan of cricket to complain about a real test match pitch like the one at bombay!!!

Posted by AvidCricFan on (November 25, 2012, 11:51 GMT)

In spite of mediocre cricket performances by the Indian team, not much will change. BCCI doesn't care for cricket. It is ineptitude of cricketing administration that has brought cricket to this level with no strategy in place to groom players. What is Sachin doing in the team after so many failures? He is not the past of Indian cricket.

Posted by GerrardLK on (November 25, 2012, 11:49 GMT)

Now, now, now! What can we call about this Indian Cricket. Already it's an old story that Indian bowling attack is the weakest on earth. Now the flat track bullies are rolled by spin attack. ICCI should seriously reconsider Indian Cricket Test status which should be removed immediately. Richardson- over to you.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 11:49 GMT)

Brilliant! India will have no answer after this match. This is what happens to a team that constantly plays on flat, lifeless pitches. I am really happy that England have stood up to the challenge and come out on top.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 11:49 GMT)

This dismal performance expected sooner or later.. India getting a taste of its own medicine.. Time to take serious decisions.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 11:48 GMT)

The usual reasons of team selection, pitches, Dhoni captaincy (or lack thereof) will be ones pointed out, but the root reasons are that England are adjusting much better to conditions here than India did back in England. They lost the 1st match because of their 1st innings and quickly recovered in the 2nd. India are failing bcuz of their batting (excepting 1 innings where 3/7 batsmen clicked), not because of their bowling (though it can improve). The famed top & middle order is really not clicking consistently and hasn't clicked now for the 3rd series in a row. We have 5-6 out of the 7 not performing up to par at any given time. If we can't get 3-4 50+ scores & 100+ partnerships consistently in familiar conditions with (apparent) top-class batting, we don't deserve to win the series anyway. As for future - time for Sachin to go, Dhoni to drop test captaincy, a new opener to get some kick back into that partnership, and someone to coach Ashwin into using less variations.

Posted by 3Cents on (November 25, 2012, 11:48 GMT)

I am really glad at how this match has shaped up. I always knew the current crop of Indian batsmen and bowlers (effectively spinners) are not really worth their money even on Indian soil. Unlike Aus or SA, who always competed well in Indian conditions, but mainly through their fast bowlers. It is heartening to see the English do it this time with spinners. The question is what will BCCI do now? Reduce or eliminate test match series' going forward and maybe have 2 seasons of IPL in single year, so we can have 150 20-20 matches through the year? The irony is, even in IPL, the real performers are mostly the overseas players, while the sharma's, pathan's, kohli's and vijay's put up side shows ,picking on some weak links and imagine themselves to be superstars!! 10yrs on and we are back to where we started. Atleast in the past, we used to win in our own backyard. Now we can't even do that. Sad day for Indian Cricket fans.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 11:48 GMT)

India were supposed to beat england 4-0, and South Africa were supposed to beat Australia 3-0 right? Yeah looks like England will tie the series 1-1 and Australia will go up 1-0. So much for experts As for India, they deserve the whacking they are getting, with Dhoni caught in a web of spin, after wishing for pitches that turn from day one. India think they are invincible at home, but they are not, and England in the last few years has shown they can come back, england in the 90's would of given up after that first test defeat. Indian selectors its time to tell Tendulkar its time to go. I dont care what he has done in the past, its the present that matters. I am Australian but i like seeing england do well (Not against australia obviously :) ) But good to see Captain Cook having an awesome series, reminding me of Haydens golden india in 2001. Captain Clarke is in awesome form, australia are playing really well, and the next ashes looms as a tasty feast.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 11:47 GMT)

Wonderfull innings by KP, one of the best inings Ive ever seen on a turning pitch. he made it look so easy. When the Indians have batted second time around and all their best players have struggled and failed apart from Ghambir, it shows how good KPs innings was on the pitch. England to win unless they let the Indoans scrap up another 100 runs. For the benifit of the ignorant, it is Laws of cricket not rules and the law states that if the ball lodges under the helmet, it should be a dead ball and not out. maybe thhe players ddidnt know that ( they should ) the umpires do and Dar again, messed up because he hhad a clear view at square leg.

Posted by Nutcutlet on (November 25, 2012, 11:46 GMT)

There is a delicious old irony in all of this! Be careful of what you wish for, MSD, Duncan Fletcher & anyone else in the brains' trust of the Indian team! Pick three spinners, win the toss & rack up a score of 300+ in the 1st innings on a pitch specially ordered, made-to measure from the local pitch-tailor - if India were a cat, it would have purred more loudly than a humming topspinner as Cook & Compton began the Eng innings. Everything going sweetly to plan, until Cook & KP showed themselves to be two classes ahead of all the Indian bats, bar the admrable Pujara. But now those plans have been ground into red dust... England must be careful now to finish the job & not allow India to set a total above 100. I rate Ojha, but this is Monty's pitch because it offers sharp turn at pace. All he's had to do is bowl as he always does. I think there should be a special award to the curator. He delivered just what the Indian captain demanded: that's service! Any orders for Kolkata, MSD?

Posted by sensible-indian-fan on (November 25, 2012, 11:45 GMT)

What Ashwin did today was crazy. Flat out crazy. When you have talent and you throw it away, there is no justification for that. There will be a match tomorrow only if England are set at least 100 to win (for that to happen we need 70 more runs which seems highly unlikely). Well played England, there is 99.99% of the chance that you are going to win this test match. By the way Gambhir - you just played phenomenally well.

Posted by MaruthuDelft on (November 25, 2012, 11:45 GMT)

Sachin, Virat and Yuvraj must be dropped. It is high time Badrinath is drafted in for one of those slots. Rohit was never given a test spot so he may be given one but no Raina. The Delhi Kid should be given the third spot as Virat is having a temporary setback. Ashwin must be dropped. He is a spinner who doesn't try to spin it. This is cricket not chess; he must put his body to work to spin it like proper spinners do but he doesn't.

Posted by gsingh7 on (November 25, 2012, 11:44 GMT)

good play monty, he should had more succes if he had played in india from debut as he have indian roots and family in india, more turn on indian pitches , he cud have been great here, sachin should retire like dravid, kp is best english cricketer by a mile , ecb should be respected for bowing down to his wishes as he is their saving grace, still hoping bhajji score his 3 rd test century tomorrow so we can have great contest on morning of 5th day

Posted by usernames on (November 25, 2012, 11:43 GMT)

I hope this loss brings some sanity to the Indian management. I've been in favor of Dhoni for what seems like ages but it's time to sack Dhoni, and along with him Fletcher right frikkin' now. Insane captaincy, insane field placements, absolutely lethargic fielding and even poor--if that's possible--bowling. There doesn't seem to be an iota of interest from the team; they are so damn stuck on what they think will work best that they don't even entertain any other ideas! Besides that, Pietersen played an innings only he can play. Cook solid as always, and our bowling gets poorer by the day.

Posted by CandidIndian on (November 25, 2012, 11:42 GMT)

Well all the Indian fans who were present during India's whitewash in England predicted that India will get caught up sooner or later and it happened.India won in England 2007 , and then lost on same kind of pitches in 2011,but the excuse was that we got green tops.The truth is that people running cricket in India have no self acceptance,they are not ready to accept that India lost in Eng and Aus because Indian batsman were not capable of facing world class bowling attack on pitches with life.In this series India were dependent on two 23 year old batsman,while so called star players were sitting ducks as usual.Now India is losing at home too were they have lost just two tests in last 5 years,selectors have to take tough decisions for next two tests otherwise this series will surely be lost.Congratulations Eng fans.

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (November 25, 2012, 11:42 GMT)

What a comeback from England. Only a matter of time before Pietersen fires, and Cook in his purple patch. Still no significant runs from the rest of the England order though... Ojha, Swann and Panesar completely dominating the bowling this series so far. If England throw it away from here...

Posted by Gaurav_Trehan on (November 25, 2012, 11:41 GMT)

Test players are not made up from playing in IPL, T20. What was perceived for too long that current BCCI Cricket team do not have quality spinner; since Kunble left. Now it does not have a quality test level batsman;after forcing VVS & Dravid to go; who can withstand decent International quality spinner in home pitches. Just imagine what will be position against fast Bolwers against slightly bouncy condition. Thank GOD no aborad tour outside subcontinent for next ONE YEAR. Till then continue to receive hammering in subcontinent against quality spin. May be a short tour against Bangladesh can make BCCI flex its muscles of showcasing so CALLED TEAM INDIA

Posted by Full-Blooded-Wallop on (November 25, 2012, 11:41 GMT)

50-60 more runs and India are in with a chance. Fingers crossed...

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 11:41 GMT)

See Full Shame to Dhoni,

What Happen in English First Innings. Why Should Starts with Ashwin. See His Best In Ahamadabad. Even Bajjey is Than Him. He Knows Mumbai Pitch. If he Starts Cook will not settle for long. Ashwin Try much in first Test till SUCCESS. After Dhoni Should bowl him Soon. After 24 Overs he gets bowling. But Bajjey also miss the Trick. He should starts from Over the Wicket straight. See Pujara Out. Lot of Spin around the Off Stump Behind the Batsmen Foot Mark. Both Offie Miss the Trick to bowl in there. Now WE Struggle for Lead. We Missing long way around Min 100 Plus Runs.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 11:40 GMT)

Shame Team India - Succumbing to their own medicine. I am a hard core fan of SRT, but couldnt bear it any more. Its time SRT gives his position for his juniors. Most players plays well in their home ground... Its time we try some new opening combination too. A captain is as good as a team, so excuses to MSD too.

Posted by vijaytsg on (November 25, 2012, 11:39 GMT)

English spinners have done amazing job, Indian team should have do more home work fielding es-specially slip fielding , first slip should very careful, here our legend dashing batsman Mr Veeru standing in first slip . Indian fans are watching his fielding in first slip , English team playing with confidence with fighting spirit .

we have legends in our but what happened? creating world records on his names not helping to save the match , for saving the match wicket is important .

Posted by trueanalyst on (November 25, 2012, 11:39 GMT)

India's dominance at home started with the fabulous four Dravid,Sachin,Laxman & Ganguly in the middle order & Kumble as the destroyer.Before that India was a average team at home with regular doses of defeat at home also.If Sachin is removed frm the team & Yuvraj Singh who has a first class record of 45 replaced by Rohit Sharma & Manoj Tiwary respectively India can still perform well but Spin is more worrisome.

Posted by spinkingKK on (November 25, 2012, 11:38 GMT)

What's happening witt Kohli and Yuvraj? Once they are assured of their spots, these Indian batsmen always takes it easy. I wouldn't be surprised if Pujara takes it easy in the next series. What we need is the selectors who can make them always perform or face the sack. Making Kohli the vice-captian was one of the worst decisions ever made by the selectors. It not only made Kohli lazy, but made Gambhir indifferent to the team's needs. Gambhir was the next Indian capain, full stop. But, instead the selectors decided to put him under pressure.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 11:37 GMT)

Lol, at the Indians. Can't win matches abroad or at home. India didn't look like drawing a single match when they were touring England. But this English side showing what India lacks and it never had, BACKBONE. India always crumbles under pressure and that's why team lost 12 matches on the trot, a record. Indian side is Ordinary. You guys should stick to playing minnows on flat wickets.

Posted by moBlue on (November 25, 2012, 11:35 GMT)

well, maybe now everyone who wanted the fab. 4 to retire - especially dravid and lax who used to be real fighters in the second inning, the latter a master under pressure - can see for themselves the vacuum left by their departure. you were naive to think your rohit sharmas and suresh rainas - or obviously, even your yuvraj singhs - all limited overs heroes, no doubt, would be able to ably replace the fab. four in *test* cricket!

i also maintain that there was nothing wrong with dhoni wanting turners so that IND might fancy a "home court advantage"! every other country does it - prepare pitches that suit their bowlers - so why should IND not do so?!? even if we lose this test - thanks to a gem by pietersen and a superb effort by cook - i still commend dhoni for asking for the pitch that would give us the advantage. it is too bad that all 3 of our leading spinners were outbowled by monti and swann! again, kudos to ENG therein... and an overdue warning to IND re. lack of spin talent!!

Posted by Stark62 on (November 25, 2012, 11:33 GMT)

Ajmal and Swann are by far the two best spinners in the world, followed by Ojha/Panesar/Rehman/Herath/Vettori who are on the same level, then Ashwin/Bhajji and lastly you have, Narine/Tahir/Lyon.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 11:32 GMT)

More worrying for India rather than 1-1 after this test will be the way England have adapted to the conditions and now are dominating with both bat and ball , seriously now India could lose this series 2-1 or 3-1 unless some body throws his hand up and starts performing . Another lesson for Indian spinners , do not try to many variations , pls bowl old fashion spin bowling you will get purchase from these tracks

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 11:32 GMT)

England doing well against India on spinning tracks has got a lot to do with the preparation they got in a 3 nil defeat against Pakistanis in UAE last year!

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 11:32 GMT)

this is another example, if your mind fit enough to beat any team you can do it. other wise sorry you can't. this is what exactly England prove these three days. compare with big names of India, I don't think England line up has such a big names except pieterson.but they play for their country. I did see young bairstow ,compton ,commitment in the field, they desperate need this win. so hope England will finish the things quickly tommorow..

Posted by TheRisingTeam on (November 25, 2012, 11:31 GMT)

India should've at least filled the whole stadium up but whats happening to Sachin? looks totally out of form.

Posted by challagalla on (November 25, 2012, 11:29 GMT)

What a days play. India 30 odd runs ahead . Can they add another 100 to make a match of it? I doubt it but stranger things have happened before. What can you add any more about Cook and Pieterson? The agression of Pieterson , the watchfulness of Cook , the positiveness of the batsmen , all cliches said before. Shastri made an interesting comment on TV. He called the Indian spinners ordinary today. I think it was exceptional batting by the brits that made the spinners look ordinary. I am going to be glued to Cricinfo tomorrow at the office. I personally thought that with India having won the toss on the first day the match was over. How wrong can i be. Win or lose tomorrow England can be very proud of their team. Dhoni certainly will have to rethink his demand for spinning tracks from the first ball. Imagine the scenario the next test if England win the toss and bat first.

Posted by TheRisingTeam on (November 25, 2012, 11:28 GMT)

India should play teams like Afghanistan this performance today was embarrassing even for me considering they supposed to be the masters of spin England were a joy

Posted by Massive_Allan_Border_Fan on (November 25, 2012, 11:28 GMT)

Wow, three tests in play around the world currently and Australia well on top against South Africa, New Zealand fighting well in Sri Lanka and England set to cruise to victory in India are all results which would not easily have been predicted. In all cases the team performing well is being lead by a captain who is leading from the front, while Smith and Dhoni seem lost. An amazing turnaround by the Poms and a stunning crumble by India. This could be the making of Cook's captaincy and it certainly puts the Pietersen dramas to bed for ever. Test cricket is as strong as ever. Bring on the Ashes! Clarke and Cook as captains will be far superior to Ponting and Flintoff.

Posted by Lmaotsetung on (November 25, 2012, 11:27 GMT)

The England fan in me is saying "oh boy here we go again...could be UAE all over again." I can't bear to watch tomorrow so I'll turn on the TV after tea and hopefully they'll be showing an old replay by then ;=)

Posted by Dhanvanth on (November 25, 2012, 11:25 GMT)

I think all the drama that was witnessed today, ashwin's wicket is gonna be the talk now! Poor guy:( wat a brain fade from him really! Reminiscent of damien Martein in Sydney '94. It could be career threatening now!

Posted by RednWhiteArmy on (November 25, 2012, 11:23 GMT)

@Chairman_of_Selectors. I can guarantee that Clarke's average wouldnt be that if he grew some, and opened the batting.

Posted by farhanamjadpk on (November 25, 2012, 11:20 GMT)

India became victim of its own strategy! It was Panesar who used conditions much better thanks to Indian pathetic batting display. Its very important to know your strengths before formulating a strategy and sadly playing quality spin is no more Indian Strength.. neither India now has quality spinner like Kumble and the Great Ajmal.. so It need to rethink for the rest of tour...

Posted by Perera32 on (November 25, 2012, 11:20 GMT)

Oh dear, India have been completley outplayed by the brilliance of Cook and Pieterson. Now all the Indian fans will be blaming Dhoni ect ect. 8-0 and now this, Chak De India indeed. Can't wait for all the excuses

Posted by Baundele on (November 25, 2012, 11:19 GMT)

Dhoni wanted spinning track and got it. :D

Posted by EnglishCricket on (November 25, 2012, 11:18 GMT)

lol India When England are in form this is what they can do to you away let alone home. Don't understand what Sachin is still doing he achieved everything he would've wanted, Yuvraj ordinary all-rounder but lets win this England and show whose boss.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 11:18 GMT)

very well played England, fully deserved. In some ways this is very good. dhoni asked for what he thought was an ideal wicket to play england. until the australia tour, the only thing BCCI was holding onto was home victories. their only response to the 8-0 whitewash was "oh, we'll win at home". now they have nowhere to hide! hopefully this will prompt them to take some action.

Posted by Hammond on (November 25, 2012, 11:16 GMT)

Well well, I suppose this is called beating someone at their own game. Even England haven't collapsed like this against a spin attack. So this says either the England boys play spin better than the Indians do, or that England have a better spin attack than India. It will be interesting to see if England win this match what the pitches will be like for the last 2 tests. Maybe they will actually bounce higher than the navel? And then Finn can come in and clean up. Go England!!!!

Posted by sweetspot on (November 25, 2012, 11:16 GMT)

Nothing in the England batting scorecard except two awesome centuries. India has just one fifty and one 10 from Ashwin! Cricket is all upside down now! Engalnd bowling and batting spin better than India, and Indian pacers bowling better than England! India being good hosts now? Hilarious! This isn't how I thought Test cricket would get my interest again, but heck, I'll take it till the ODIs come along. SRT, sorry to say, looks way beyond redeemable now. Superb all round, no-weak-link performance from England, at the end of the day.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 11:15 GMT)

The only difference between India's tour of England and England tour of India was the fact that in England, India never looked like even drawing a single test match... let alone winning it... on the other hand, England is looking like they will beat the shit out of the over hyped Dhoni boys... and by God, Sachin should retire now... we all love you man, you are the bloody best and always will be, but please stop insulting yourself and us by putting such worthless performances... you deserve a grand farewell but don't put yourself into such situation... And kindly bring India a wicketkeeper batsman who can both keep the wickets and is technically sound... Not like a helicopter shot playing idiot who does not know how to defend the ball....

"Give me tracks which turn from day one...Wish Granted..."

Posted by Gandini on (November 25, 2012, 11:14 GMT)

In blatantly seeking, nay ordering, spin-friendly pitches, Dhoni might well ponder on the saying "be careful what you wish for".

Posted by Mitch1066 on (November 25, 2012, 11:14 GMT)

I think English spinners have done amazing when Indian are good at spin I think tendulker should retire he losing his mystic . I think also English spinners had edge on Indian bowlers . It turning out be good game hope England can nick it and end these horrible arrogant Indian saying white wash showing no respect to opposition ! Least when u was in England we gave u respect never expected win four nil so give opposition respect and if we win good as destroy your white wash

Posted by JyothiRaj on (November 25, 2012, 11:14 GMT)

so 31/7 pathetic.....if you were having 150+ would have seen a fight.selection committe were eager to throw out Sourav,Dravid and Laxman.some how they cannot do that with Sachin bcz of his satrdom and political pressure.Remember these are there only when you perform.Must remove Dhoni from captaincy first

Posted by disco_bob on (November 25, 2012, 11:14 GMT)

After having to put up with the Indian fans' relentless whinging about home conditions as England and then Australia whitewashed them, it is a true delight to contemplate the turmoil that these self same fans must be going through as England utterly and completely humiliate them at their home with scores that would not be out of place on Sesame Street, ie 6,7,8,9...

Posted by khanchikoo on (November 25, 2012, 11:13 GMT)

Be led by your talent, not by your self-loathing; those other things you just have to manage............. Cook has taken this into consideration while MS Dhoni needs to take that in consideration.......India 115/7. A revenge of 4 - 0 in England would have been great if MSD wud hv had understood the above fact. Contrast in approach of the two captains was obvious. and finally after being loved by so many Indians, i dont know why Mr. Tendulkar wants people to hate him. :(

Posted by UsmanAnsari on (November 25, 2012, 11:11 GMT)

Monty or Full Monty..??? whatever, he has shattered India into pieces

Posted by hhillbumper on (November 25, 2012, 11:09 GMT)

judging by how it has gone on this pitch can we have some more of these for the rest of the series please.We still have to chase whatever is left but it has been an even game so far

Posted by disco_bob on (November 25, 2012, 11:08 GMT)

@Mohsin Saboor, if only Dhoni was good enough to get two more runs we could have 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, and 11 in the scores.

Posted by TheRisingTeam on (November 25, 2012, 11:08 GMT)

So! I guess no 4-0 revenge for India hehe..excellent performance from England showing where India truly belongs but I hope they make their squad selection wrong again like the first test otherwise they could've won that. Blessing in disguise for India in the first test match.

Posted by chokkashokka on (November 25, 2012, 11:03 GMT)

India needs to seriously invest in its talent level - this is absolutely ridiculous. Fire Fletcher as soon as this series is over - no matter what the result is. There should be a talent committee set up and a rule set in place that if a player is not performing over a 10 match period - he is gone. IPL money should be based upon India performances. These guys are way too comfortable - someone needs to light a fire underneath these lazy d-bags. Sick of this.

Posted by Mervo on (November 25, 2012, 11:03 GMT)

Two things are apparent here. Tendulkat should go. He has nothing but slow reflexes on slow wickets. Pietersen is the best player there, a loss to his home country. And there are no more tricks for India to pull as they try to rig the wickets. Live by the sword-die by the sword!

Posted by JyothiRaj on (November 25, 2012, 11:02 GMT)

Please come out of defensive mood.See Aswin's batting.You are there to score not to show case your techinques.Runs that scored is matter at end of the day.Not how many minutes you spend or balls you faced.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 10:59 GMT)

So what is India's excuse now? Going down in their own backyard, Indian supporters? your spinners have been out bowled, your batsmen have been outplayed. India did not give even half of a fight in Eng/Australia (with their supporters claiming every team plays well in their own conditions) last year and now are going down in their own backyard?!

Posted by TheRisingTeam on (November 25, 2012, 10:58 GMT)

lolz Excellent from England they're too good India are average play minnows so you can get the basics right :D

Posted by indiabadri on (November 25, 2012, 10:52 GMT)

Very well played by the Greats, SRT, MSD. Dhoni is proving what kind of pitch he wants so that the opposition can take their wickets without any stress.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 10:52 GMT)

9,6,8,7,8,6,8 - that is a pretty consistent scoreboard.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 10:48 GMT)

India are an ordinary team should play with minnows well done England! :P

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 10:45 GMT)

After what I've seen over the last 3 days I think it's safe to say that had Monty Panesar played the first test England probably would have won it. I'm also interested to hear what kind of pitch MSD will want for the remaining matches now that it has become clear that they can only bat on flat wickets lol. This defeat alone is far more humiliating than the 0-8 debacle last year, even if India go on to win this series, which is highly unlikely if England continue to play Panesar and Swann.

Posted by LALITHKURUWITA on (November 25, 2012, 10:43 GMT)

Well done India. The best team in the world who can spin very well. Dhoni and Gambiar will put over 100 runs partnership and Poms will be all out for 80.

Posted by UsmanAnsari on (November 25, 2012, 10:41 GMT)

great spin bowling by Panesar & Swann.. feels as if the indian spin trio was bowling on a different track altogether.. Sachin's time is over but i wonder how many matches he will still play.. many youngsters are there who can prove to be a better replacement for SRT! If england wins this match, then it will be a huge victory beating india in india tackling 3 specialist spinners!

Posted by dinosaurus on (November 25, 2012, 10:38 GMT)

I'm old enough to have noticed many times when you really have to believe in karma. A dodgy dismissal followed by a dodgy batting performance seems like a kind of cosmic "evening-up".

Posted by disco_bob on (November 25, 2012, 10:37 GMT)

@MujahidAliMd, thank you for lightening the tension with some comedic relief.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 10:31 GMT)

I desperately pray that God give sachin some brains to retire as soon as possible..let some one deserving come and score some runs...

Posted by baranasai on (November 25, 2012, 10:30 GMT)

Indians have lost this test as they do not know how to play spin as well/Their Batsmen have no clue as how to hadle this pressure England are goping to win What excuse Dhoni is going o have when keeping liabilities like SRT.He is still not picking up the cues that he is a spent force -He should go grcefully with a prpoer send off than being asked to wait in the side lines to complete anoither record.about Indian spinners-it is a shamefil performance-they cant contain them Nand cant even learn from their opponents-Monty and swann /well done Dhoni /please keep asking for spinners pitch wherein your spinners will be slaughtered and your woorld class batsmen will get a lesson on how to play spin bowling by an english bowler

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 10:28 GMT)

In first test, England made a mistake not accommodating Monty Panesar, now see the difference.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 10:28 GMT)

Ist 4 batsmen of India gone with scores 6 , 7 ,8 ,9 .........

Posted by whofriggincares on (November 25, 2012, 10:26 GMT)

@headbandenator ,I guess i was referring to Don Bradmans assessment of the little master as the batsmen that reminded him most of himself, and the immense enjoyment he got from watching Sachin bat. He would have fallen asleep watching Cook bat. Boycott would have enjoyed it though! CLEAR enough for you?

Posted by Solid_Snake on (November 25, 2012, 10:25 GMT)

Now there should be no such excuse that India were playing on fast Pitches.. On their own home ground,such a horrible performance..Go go England win this match already :P I would not be surprised if India loses it by an Innings:P

Posted by richardror on (November 25, 2012, 10:03 GMT)

@spiritwithin

That's because they couldn't see a clear view of the pitch and the short leg didn't say anything because he hoped not to get caught out. No question he wouldn't have caught it without the interference.

Also, England will the team feeling more hard done by due to umpiring, not because they have had more errors against them but because they are the team who would be willing to have DRS.

Posted by disco_bob on (November 25, 2012, 10:00 GMT)

@CoreDump, I am neutral with regards to the Bairstow dismissal. I simply pointed out earlier that there is no ambiguity with regards to the law. Now I must object to your defence of the umpires by referring to the particular law as 'obscure'.

I am sure that if you reflect upon this it will become obvious that the law being 'obscure' to the general public, is no defence for the umpires whose job it is to know the laws of cricket. That's right, they actually get paid to know the laws of cricket, it's their job. Geddit?

Posted by ronnydog on (November 25, 2012, 9:58 GMT)

SRT's record over 20 years speaks for itself. To compare Cook (or Clarke) with him on the basis of a current run of top form is unfair- the time to make comparisons is when all players careers, ups and downs included, have finished. And RednWhite army, M Clarke is and always has been a middle order bat. Were Hammond, Cowedry, Gower , Sobers, G Chappell, V Richards, G Pollock Lara and Dravid 'hiding from the new ball' ?And in case you hadn't noticed Aust's fragile top order ain't exactly sheltering Clarke much from the new ball

Posted by Long-Leg on (November 25, 2012, 9:52 GMT)

@sunil prasad: Not sure why you are on these boards if you don't like cricket. I suggest you will feel more at home commenting on baseball, football or tiddlywinks perhaps.

Posted by Mina_Anand on (November 25, 2012, 9:50 GMT)

Re the 'helmet' issue, if we read the rules carefully, it is a fair catch.

If you go by the rules, Law 32 (3)(a) (ii) clearly says - "The act of making the catch shall start from the time when the ball in flight comes into contact with some part of a fielder's person other than a protective helmet..."

In this case, the ball touches the chest and hand first. Only after touching the hand, it goes to the helmet.

So it has not touched the helmet first.

Nor has it 'lodged' in the helmet. It has popped out of the helmet - into the fielder's hands.

Lodge means : to stay put

Pretty simple, isn't it ?

it requires a cricket follower cum lawyer to understand ! :) ::)

Posted by baskar_guha on (November 25, 2012, 9:46 GMT)

KP's stunning innings with Cook's solid century should win the match for England. Besides, English spinners have hunedt better as a pair than their Indian counterparts. Both Ashwin and Bajji have been underwhelming in their ability to support Ojha and in the end that is likely the difference.

Posted by McCricket_ on (November 25, 2012, 9:46 GMT)

@RednWhiteArmy: I fully agree that Clarke hides down the order at 5. He needs to bat at 3 or 4. But I can't agree that his 2012 is not the best among all batsmen. He's been in at perilous moments, for example, 20-3, 40-3, 55-3 and 80-3 all in his last 4 innings and it hasn't stopped him. All he's done is demonstrate that he needs to bat higher. Our Alistair is batting like a magician, but it's hard to deny that Clarke has had the better 2012. 3 double tons and one triple (no-one has ever done that) and only one of those scores was on a track that didn't deliver a result (it lost a full day to rain). Compare them as follows: Clarke In Oz in 2012 - average of 220 Away in 2012 - average of 73 Overall in 2012 - 1309 runs at 119 from 8 tests Career average - 52

Compare this to Alistair: In England in 2012 - average of 37 Away in 2012 - average of 82 Overall in 2012 - 1026 runs at 46 from 13 tests. His average is 3 lower than his career average Career average - 49

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 9:38 GMT)

Don't know what the confusion is about. If the ball has touched the grille of the helmet, no catch is valid. If the ball did touch the helmet, I don't see how Gambhir couldn't have realized it. And if he did, he should have owned up. But who does nowadays? Remember Trott's claim for a catch in the Ahmedabad Test? This was never a gentleman's game. Anyway, to ask Dhoni to withdraw the appeal and all... Just not on. You have to live with some things.

Posted by Essex_Man on (November 25, 2012, 9:29 GMT)

@Jonathan Jono Lane - Why does it pain you that KP has battered a big hundred of breathtaking brilliance? Cricket fans (irrespective of which team they support) will have enjoyed watching that knock. In the space of 3 Test matches, KP has now played 2 outrageously good innings in completely different conditions and against completely different bowling attacks. If there are really more talented youngsters whom KP is apparently keeping out of the side, as you suggest, then I can't wait to watch them play!!

Posted by Resultpredictor on (November 25, 2012, 9:23 GMT)

Though KP made stunning century, it will end in losing cause because England cannot chase even 100 in fourth innings on this turning pitch. At present India in drivers seat and in total control of this match.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 9:14 GMT)

Cook should have been born one century ago..........So slow so slow.... it is high time to cancel test cricket which is nothing but wasting out time. It is embarresing to have test cricket even in 21st century

Posted by Akshita29 on (November 25, 2012, 9:06 GMT)

It would be a real shame if KP's unbelievable innings go to a waste . What is Broad doing . He should have run himself out and atleast or atleast give Prior a Chance . Then why was not he playing strokes and just defending ? He better take few wickets or he should be droped . Anybody would be better than him.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 9:01 GMT)

Wow, i'm just speechless at Petersien's innings. THAT is why you want him in the team. brilliant stuff. And for those who are arguing about Bairstow's dismissal, there's a separate article on that, so please continue your arguments over there, instead of spamming the comments section here :)

Posted by bhrangi on (November 25, 2012, 9:01 GMT)

@Kavindeven : I wont agree with u., I am also Indian, Sachin is at lean phase of his career. Dont compare cook with SRT. Ofcourse Cook is a great batsmen but not a legend like SRT., just its your own opinion,Dont represent Indian.

Posted by spiritwithin on (November 25, 2012, 8:58 GMT)

@richardror>>And I am shocked at India's terrible sportsmanship with the Bairstow dismissal. They know the rules yet choose to ignore them>>when ur own batsman does'nt know the rule and went back to pavilion and when even umpires did'nt questioned the catch and when TV replays is also not conclusive enough its naive of u to say that indian players will know the rules eithers..stop cherry picking mate bcoz all these moanings from english fans everytime is becoming boring,talking about sportsman spirit look no further than Trott's catch last test match

Posted by JG2704 on (November 25, 2012, 8:56 GMT)

It seems as I type that Broad can do no right. When you see how Prior was run out it looked that Broad started to call him through and you wonder how important those extra runs Prior may have helped gather will make a difference. Interesting to see if Cook has it about him to open with Swann or Monty

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 8:55 GMT)

About the catch, Why is it indian players fault? The umpires had a clear view if the ball had hit the grille or not, even bairstow would have had a better vision and still walked off. To me, the catch was unfair but blaming it on the players and questioning their sportsmanship alone is little over the board.

Posted by RednWhiteArmy on (November 25, 2012, 8:53 GMT)

Alastair Cook is the best batsman on the face of the earth in 2012. australia would have you believe Clarke is the best but he hides from the new ball. Captain Cook aint hiding.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 8:53 GMT)

Unfortunate for JB, I was hoping he would close a door on Bell's career. However, it's unfortunate that England and some fans make such a song and dance about India's decision not to reverse that decision. Both sides have suffered bad umpiring this series (without the captains even contemplating reinstating any of the victims of absolute howlers). Just get on with it, man! KP, as much as it pains me to say so has played a potentially match winning innings and shown intelligence that was missing in the first test. England are one nil down largely due to the way KP and Bell gifted their wickets twice each in the 1st test. I'm not saying Eng could have won that test with better contributions form these two, but they might not have lost it if each of them had batted as they can. This innings will keep KP in the side for a very long time to come, but England really can't afford to carry someone who repeatedly under performs, especially if they are keeping talented youngsters out.

Posted by spiritwithin on (November 25, 2012, 8:52 GMT)

@Front-Foot-Lunge..d u always come here to moan about how bad india is??even from TV replays its not conclusive whether it hit the helmet or not,and Fielders cant always tell it exactly since it happens very fast and for short leg its never easy with all those gears on,sounds like u have never played Cricket in ur life...

Posted by JG2704 on (November 25, 2012, 8:51 GMT)

Re the Bairstow incident - I personally see little comparison to what happened with Bell last year. I was all for Bell being reinstated and if he wasn't it would have left a bad taste with me and many others for the rest of the series. On this particular incident , I have no problem in India not reversing the decision. Obviously JB didn't seem aware of the rules and if Flower etc had noticed this at the time he could have tried to instruct JB to stay on the field in which case the decision could have been reversed.

Posted by groundreality on (November 25, 2012, 8:48 GMT)

@richardror Ooh, look another one. Classic English hypocrisy (think Trott in first test)! Well done!

Posted by Narkovian on (November 25, 2012, 8:46 GMT)

Am writing this between innings. ENG 86 lead. Hate to be a pessimist, but I think if IND get 230+ in second innings, ENG will lose this match. ENG by no means red hot favourites at this stage. All will change of IND lose 3 or 4 qucik wkts of course. N

Posted by Headbandenator on (November 25, 2012, 8:43 GMT)

@whofriggincares How close has SRT come to Don Bradman? Please try to elucidate, give up, and then go and buy a new dictionary.

Posted by richardror on (November 25, 2012, 8:34 GMT)

The first two innings have clearly shown England to be the superior team, however the toss will make up for some of that to make it a more even game. If England batted first the lead would have been 200+ easily. And I am shocked at India's terrible sportsmanship with the Bairstow dismissal. They know the rules yet choose to ignore them.

Posted by Essex_Man on (November 25, 2012, 8:28 GMT)

Brilliant consistency from Cook and yet another incredible knock by KP. But the recent clatter of wickets leaves the Test in the balance.

Posted by disco_bob on (November 25, 2012, 8:28 GMT)

There will be plenty of red faces from the England fans who thought they could do without KP. You'll also need him to avoid a complete humiliation in the next Ashes by the soon to be crowned new world no. 1.

Posted by Romenevans on (November 25, 2012, 8:26 GMT)

@ 200ondebut - Agree with you. Cook is already miles ahead of our stats obsessed Tendulkar. Cook is the only player at the moment who's scoring runs in all the conditions. Yep! Coming from an Indian fan.

Posted by groundreality on (November 25, 2012, 8:23 GMT)

@Front-Foot-Lunge Are you serious? A somewhat obscure law is missed (by the umpire as well, mind you) and it is a "new low". Trott claiming a well grounded catch in the first test was the height of sportsmanship. God, have some shame!

Posted by disco_bob on (November 25, 2012, 8:17 GMT)

According to precise meaning of the wording of Law e), it is obvious that the catch off Bairstow was unfair and therefore should not be allowed. The reasoning is this... if the definite article 'the' was used then it would be referring to a catch off the helmet of the fielder fielder who caught the ball, but it would make a catch that rebounded off the helmet of a fielder and then caught by a different fielder, fair. This is plainly absurd. There for the indefinite article is used which means that a catch off the grill of ANY fielder, is unfair. Which is what happened. The wording is perfectly clear, the catch must be reversed.

Posted by whofriggincares on (November 25, 2012, 8:08 GMT)

@200ondebut,Cook better than Sachin? hahahahahahahahahahahahahah. So he has more runs before the age of 28 (at a much lower average) but even after this ton he still averages below 50 ,which I am sure most cricket fans would agree is the benchmark for batting greatness. I do agree he is a tremendous batsmen but ranking him ahead of the only man to come even close to the DON is foolhardy . The fact that you think that stat proves he is better shows you dont know anything about our great game and just makes you look silly.Lets see how many runs he makes after 28 and make a judgement then.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 8:07 GMT)

Its not fair to comment on Indian team's sportsmanship without considering what happen at the field .. The rules are nt clear about the helmet - whether it is of the catcher or the other fielder .. So we ll hv to give the benefit of doubt to the fielding side..Guys who re calling Dhoni to have lacked the spirit of the game , please remember that it was this same man who had called back Ian Bell some yrs back when it was the fault of the batsman..and its not Indians who get into the mind games - kindly recall Broad's behaviour to Yuvi that resulted in the 2007 t-20 game - 6 sixes in an over ..There should be some sense with wat is said .. The whole world knows of Dhoni's spirit - so its really does nt make sense that he has not played with the spirit ..

Cook amazes me - 4 tons in 4 games as captain and 6800 + under 28 - no doubt that he is one of the best from England ever to have played ! And K.P. has proved his place in d side ! ! Lookin to an exciting last 2 days of test :)

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 7:45 GMT)

Amazing test hundreds in ongoing test cricket series... Chandrapaul - Century in first test and second test against Bangladesh Clark - Century in first test and second test against RSA Cheteshwar - Century in first test and second test against India Cook - Century in first test and second test against India

Interestingly all the batsmen name start with "C"

Posted by brittop on (November 25, 2012, 7:36 GMT)

What's this talk about bad sportsmanship from India about Bairstow's dismissal? The umpires should make a decision. If they think it hit the helmet it's not out, if it didn't, it's out (there's no doubt about what the law means).

Posted by RednWhiteArmy on (November 25, 2012, 7:28 GMT)

Hopefully KP takes exception to that unsporting incident & crunches 300.

Posted by   on (November 25, 2012, 7:23 GMT)

If Bairstow was to be recalled , same should be said of zaheer. In both cases umpires made a mistake.. and bairstow should have made the point when he was at crease and he would've escaped.. I don't know if people still remember the Bell Incident.. There again bell was foolish enough to walk off before the play ended (assuming play ended). Indian did call him back (too generous i would say), while people generally had no qualms about NZ running out Murali for a similar incident.. I remember Collingwood once alking out of his crease without telling the opposition and getting stumped (only to be reprieved by Vettori).. Also saw pieterson catching a ball bowled at him and saying he wasn't ready.. Why do such stupid things and then complain? And why does these things keep happening with england?

Posted by baranasai on (November 25, 2012, 7:23 GMT)

I think England will win as their batsman have adapted to spin much quickly than Indian Batsman themselves playing against the likes of Swan and Monte.The writing is on the wall -india will lose thismatch -may be they will win the next one or two and take theseries.But their own (indian ) batsman cannot dominate the fast bolwlers in England and this will give a big space for England fans to write again and again that we win in India.regarding some Indian batsmen like SRT Gautham They nbeed to do some reality check themslves-what they can offer to the betterment of their team/the less i say better for me

Posted by trav29 on (November 25, 2012, 7:22 GMT)

cant really blame the indian fielders when it appears that neither bairstow or indeed the umpires knew what the rules were

we have had some breaks so far so should just accept when a dodgy moment like that goes against us

Posted by Front-Foot-Lunge on (November 25, 2012, 7:14 GMT)

India have just set a new low in the history of the game with Bairstow's dismissal.

They know the rules, and yet they chose to claim a catch when the ball had clearly struck the helmet What a shoddy display of sportsmanship from the home team. They should be totally ashamed.

Posted by 200ondebut on (November 25, 2012, 7:02 GMT)

Always thought Cook was better than SRT - the last stat in this piece confirms this. Well done KP and Cooky - you are both stars.

Posted by freo75 on (November 25, 2012, 6:48 GMT)

Absolutely no surprise to see Bairstow not recalled, just add it to the list of unsporting behaviour by India on this tour. Absolutely pathetic once again by Dhoni, hopefully England will continue to make them suffer.

Posted by Mervo on (November 25, 2012, 6:40 GMT)

So India have invented a new game? Called Spin Cricket where one does not need fast bowlers. Can't see it taking off anywhere.

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