India v England, 2nd Test, Mumbai, 4th day November 26, 2012

England spinners humiliate India

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England 413 (Cook 122, Pietersen 186, Ojha 5-143) and 58 for 0 beat India 327 (Pujara 135, Panesar 5-129) and 142 (Gambhir 65, Panesar 6-81) by ten wickets
Scorecard and ball-by-ball details

England pulled back to 1-1 in a four-Test series when they breezed to a ten-wicket victory on the fourth morning of the Mumbai Test. It was a victory which will have roused England's self-belief in Asia and which brought into question India's entire strategy for the series of relying on sharply-turning tracks, leaving them with much to ponder ahead of the third Test in Kolkata next week.

India's slow bowlers had been outperformed by their England counterparts, with Monty Panesar and Graeme Swann finishing with 19 wickets in the match in favourable conditions they rarely experience. Panesar's match return was 11 for 210, Swann 8 for 113, but the Test had turned on an attacking century from Kevin Pietersen that will live long in the memory.

England, ridiculed after their heavy loss in Ahmedabad, have now inflicted two of India's last four Test defeats at home. They also won at the Wankhede Stadium six years ago and, after two India defeats against South Africa in Ahmedabad and Nagpur, England have now triumphed again.

England will anticipate a more traditional slow turner when they move on to Kolkata with MS Dhoni, who has been outspoken about setting a spin trap for beleaguered batsmen, sure to come under criticism. But for all the impressive nature of their victory, especially after losing the toss on the first morning, England have not yet come to terms with spin - Pietersen and Alastair Cook have. It will be an intriguing week.

England's target was an eminently manageable one. They needed 57 after India, 117 for 7 overnight, added a further 25. Like all small targets, it was best chased positively. Cook slashed his first boundary, against R Ashwin, through the slips; Nick Compton came down the pitch, a rare sight, to drive Pragyan Ojha determinedly through the off side. It all took only 9.4 overs.

The mood had been set first ball when Dhoni allowed a low take against Ashwin to rumble through his legs for four byes; the match was won with another four byes down the leg side with India's captain again failing to lay a glove on the ball. Dhoni is a redoubtable one-day cricketer, there are few better, but in this Test series to date his keeping and batting has had its shortcomings.

India's lead at the start of the fourth day was 31 with three wickets left on a ferociously turning pitch. Gautam Gambhir, who had batted through the rubble on the previous evening, advanced his unbeaten 53 to 65 but he was last out when Swann had him lbw. Gambhir, who had made minimal attempt to protect India's tail by farming the strike, walked off shaking his head that umpire Tony Hill had missed an inside edge.

It was the second umpiring mistake of the morning, Aleem Dar also having missed a catch at short leg. Such is the lot of cricketers when administrators reject technology and the ball turns sharply with fielders clustered around the bat.

England were on the brink of victory and yet their position felt far from unassailable, not with recent history in mind. When Harbhajan struck Panesar's first ball back over mid-off for four and Gambhir added a more considered boundary behind square, India had ten off the first over. Six more overs like that and their lead would be approaching 100 and that was considerably more than England managed when they lost to Pakistan in Abu Dhabi in January.

It felt more secure for England in the next over when Harbhajan, a dangerous smiter, fell to Swann's fourth ball, a leaping, turning delivery which he leant back to chop, inviting Jonathan Trott to dive to his left at slip and take a catch at comfortable height. Zaheer Khan was dismissed two overs later, a brief show of patience followed by a heave against the spin and a sixth wicket for Panesar as the ball sailed straight upwards and Prior took the catch.

England's cause was not helped when Dar erred yet again, missing a relatively straightforward bat-pad from Ojha, on 4, jubilantly held by Swann at backward square leg. Panesar delivered his Harry Potter Look of Wonder as Dar turned down the appeal. Talk of mistakes balancing out - which over the two Tests they probably have - hardly began to justify a stubborn faith in inferior, old-fashioned ways.

David Hopps is the UK editor of ESPNcricinfo

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  • A_Vacant_Slip on November 28, 2012, 20:45 GMT

    @Naresh28 on (November 28 2012, 09:39 AM GMT) - friend you are absolutely right. There has been far too much big talk for far too long. India fan get reality check Vs England and Vs Australia. England fan like me also get reality check Vs Pakistan and South Africa. Truth is - England and India are slugging it out for the lower rank. This comment can be made regarding both India and England - "there is promise but there are problem". Please publish.

  • Naresh28 on November 28, 2012, 9:39 GMT

    INDIAN cricket is in bad shape at moment. I dont think there is any test playing nation that likes us. BCCI needs to change this image. Also we as indian fans have had enough of "TALK BUT NO ACTION" from the captain,team, selectors, BCCI. There is a need of shutting the mouth and enjoy the game and play well. You win some and you lose some. Indian fans also fuel this hatred. Pakistan and SL never open their mouths at all.

  • ADI_GUNGALIYA_FANTASY on November 28, 2012, 3:41 GMT

    It was Dhoni Failure that make india lose. Bad Fielding Placement + Not picking any leg spinner + Ashwin not doing much. Sachin & bhajji were just unlucky. I have watch bhajji, there were too many close LBW appeal + Edge to shewag boot + edge to close-in fielder but no one there(i.e Bad Fielding placement). Sachin has looked good but outplayed by two good ball which might take anyone. So, Dhoni Failure not Bhajji & Sachin. Yuvi & Ashwin were bad in match. Kohli has to play his natural game.

  • JasonGray on November 28, 2012, 2:50 GMT

    India should organize some matches against Canada at home. They can ask for flat wickets and get their Average players to set more meaningless records. Indian players are Average and overrated. They can only bat on flat wickets. Ashwin, Ohja and rest of the Indian spinners are club cricketers who wouldn't even find a place in county cricket. Lol at you indians. Make it 3-1 lads.

  • SirViv1973 on November 27, 2012, 20:27 GMT

    A lot of knee jerk reactions from Ind fans, but the series is still only 1-1, As an Eng fan it was a great win but the next 2 matches will decide the series. I thought that Eng batsman were the key before the series started and I still feel that is the case. The big question for me was could they learn from the mistakes they made in the UAE earlier in the year. So far Cook & KP certainly have, Prior looks like he has too, Trott certainly hasn't & the jury is still out on Bell. Compton wasn't in the UAE but looks like he has the right temperament to open the batting & I'm sure he has a big score in him in this series. The big test will come when Cook fails and surely he will at least once in this series. If KP goes cheaply in the same inns will the other between be able to get enough runs ? I certainly hope so

  • Hash_Tag on November 27, 2012, 19:55 GMT

    Well, the unbelievable has happened and India have no-one to blame except themselves. They ask for a spinning track, they got one, they win the toss and they then lose the game by 10 wickets. How on earth did it happen!?!? It was a mistaken strategy to produce what Indians enthusiastically call a "sporting" pitch when India are already 1-0 up in the series. A ravenous greed to inflict a whitewash back on England has caused this. If only India would have produced a super flat draw pitch - that is all that was needed, but oh no India had to go for the result pitch with all the inherent risks. How will this go now? Be interesting to watch.

  • tests_the_best on November 27, 2012, 19:02 GMT

    Finally some comments acknowledging the problems that Eng actually face which have been masked by the resounding victory. Apart from Cook, Prior and Pietersen, none of the others have looked comfortable on these pitches even though they might have had the odd 20-30. If 2 out of 3 of the above fail, eng can fold under 200. I expect india to take the next test and the fourth one could be eng or a draw. Either way, the series is nicely set up.

  • BoonBoom on November 27, 2012, 17:54 GMT

    SRT started his test career batting at number 7. He should demote himself down the order and bat at number 6 or 7 (or even at number 8) to to be able to score some runs. In this way he will set yet another record of the only batsman to start at no. 7, gradually moving up, getting to his peak, then slowing down and finally back to no. 7 position....., thereby proving that this world is indeed tound. Very practical advice!!

  • The_bowlers_Holding on November 27, 2012, 17:44 GMT

    There are a number of references on here to the 3-0 drubbing in UAE, I watched a great deal of that series and England were a match in the bowling deoartment throughout (including Broad!). It was the batting and the fear of spin, perhaps only perhaps the mental demons are being dealt with (KP , Cook, Prior, Compton looks solid). Hopefully this will go to making England a more complete side, I can't help thinking the poor winter last year had a negative impact before the summer series (althought the S. Africans were very good if a bit lucky with dropped catches ;) ).

  • fguy on November 27, 2012, 16:55 GMT

    The humiliation is complete. Not england's as expected but india's. Revenge has been taken. Not india for 4-0 loss but eng for the 1st test. I was always worried eng playing vs pakistan & sl would hurt us as they'd be more used to the conditions & be better prepared. That & their hard work & application worked dhoni should concentrate on his motor biking team & retire from test cricket Our huff & puff wins against wi & nz at home should've been red flags & our test performances are only going to get worse if things don't change soon. Even if we win this series somehow, won't be surprised if we lose against australia this season. On what basis was bhajji brought back into the team. ppl thought that he & ashwin in the same side wld lead to competition. it did. they competed for who could take the least no of wickets

  • A_Vacant_Slip on November 28, 2012, 20:45 GMT

    @Naresh28 on (November 28 2012, 09:39 AM GMT) - friend you are absolutely right. There has been far too much big talk for far too long. India fan get reality check Vs England and Vs Australia. England fan like me also get reality check Vs Pakistan and South Africa. Truth is - England and India are slugging it out for the lower rank. This comment can be made regarding both India and England - "there is promise but there are problem". Please publish.

  • Naresh28 on November 28, 2012, 9:39 GMT

    INDIAN cricket is in bad shape at moment. I dont think there is any test playing nation that likes us. BCCI needs to change this image. Also we as indian fans have had enough of "TALK BUT NO ACTION" from the captain,team, selectors, BCCI. There is a need of shutting the mouth and enjoy the game and play well. You win some and you lose some. Indian fans also fuel this hatred. Pakistan and SL never open their mouths at all.

  • ADI_GUNGALIYA_FANTASY on November 28, 2012, 3:41 GMT

    It was Dhoni Failure that make india lose. Bad Fielding Placement + Not picking any leg spinner + Ashwin not doing much. Sachin & bhajji were just unlucky. I have watch bhajji, there were too many close LBW appeal + Edge to shewag boot + edge to close-in fielder but no one there(i.e Bad Fielding placement). Sachin has looked good but outplayed by two good ball which might take anyone. So, Dhoni Failure not Bhajji & Sachin. Yuvi & Ashwin were bad in match. Kohli has to play his natural game.

  • JasonGray on November 28, 2012, 2:50 GMT

    India should organize some matches against Canada at home. They can ask for flat wickets and get their Average players to set more meaningless records. Indian players are Average and overrated. They can only bat on flat wickets. Ashwin, Ohja and rest of the Indian spinners are club cricketers who wouldn't even find a place in county cricket. Lol at you indians. Make it 3-1 lads.

  • SirViv1973 on November 27, 2012, 20:27 GMT

    A lot of knee jerk reactions from Ind fans, but the series is still only 1-1, As an Eng fan it was a great win but the next 2 matches will decide the series. I thought that Eng batsman were the key before the series started and I still feel that is the case. The big question for me was could they learn from the mistakes they made in the UAE earlier in the year. So far Cook & KP certainly have, Prior looks like he has too, Trott certainly hasn't & the jury is still out on Bell. Compton wasn't in the UAE but looks like he has the right temperament to open the batting & I'm sure he has a big score in him in this series. The big test will come when Cook fails and surely he will at least once in this series. If KP goes cheaply in the same inns will the other between be able to get enough runs ? I certainly hope so

  • Hash_Tag on November 27, 2012, 19:55 GMT

    Well, the unbelievable has happened and India have no-one to blame except themselves. They ask for a spinning track, they got one, they win the toss and they then lose the game by 10 wickets. How on earth did it happen!?!? It was a mistaken strategy to produce what Indians enthusiastically call a "sporting" pitch when India are already 1-0 up in the series. A ravenous greed to inflict a whitewash back on England has caused this. If only India would have produced a super flat draw pitch - that is all that was needed, but oh no India had to go for the result pitch with all the inherent risks. How will this go now? Be interesting to watch.

  • tests_the_best on November 27, 2012, 19:02 GMT

    Finally some comments acknowledging the problems that Eng actually face which have been masked by the resounding victory. Apart from Cook, Prior and Pietersen, none of the others have looked comfortable on these pitches even though they might have had the odd 20-30. If 2 out of 3 of the above fail, eng can fold under 200. I expect india to take the next test and the fourth one could be eng or a draw. Either way, the series is nicely set up.

  • BoonBoom on November 27, 2012, 17:54 GMT

    SRT started his test career batting at number 7. He should demote himself down the order and bat at number 6 or 7 (or even at number 8) to to be able to score some runs. In this way he will set yet another record of the only batsman to start at no. 7, gradually moving up, getting to his peak, then slowing down and finally back to no. 7 position....., thereby proving that this world is indeed tound. Very practical advice!!

  • The_bowlers_Holding on November 27, 2012, 17:44 GMT

    There are a number of references on here to the 3-0 drubbing in UAE, I watched a great deal of that series and England were a match in the bowling deoartment throughout (including Broad!). It was the batting and the fear of spin, perhaps only perhaps the mental demons are being dealt with (KP , Cook, Prior, Compton looks solid). Hopefully this will go to making England a more complete side, I can't help thinking the poor winter last year had a negative impact before the summer series (althought the S. Africans were very good if a bit lucky with dropped catches ;) ).

  • fguy on November 27, 2012, 16:55 GMT

    The humiliation is complete. Not england's as expected but india's. Revenge has been taken. Not india for 4-0 loss but eng for the 1st test. I was always worried eng playing vs pakistan & sl would hurt us as they'd be more used to the conditions & be better prepared. That & their hard work & application worked dhoni should concentrate on his motor biking team & retire from test cricket Our huff & puff wins against wi & nz at home should've been red flags & our test performances are only going to get worse if things don't change soon. Even if we win this series somehow, won't be surprised if we lose against australia this season. On what basis was bhajji brought back into the team. ppl thought that he & ashwin in the same side wld lead to competition. it did. they competed for who could take the least no of wickets

  • on November 27, 2012, 16:21 GMT

    @MoBlue: you've totally missed the point about Sachin. When a batsman hits his late 30s, deteriorating eyesight & slowing reflexes will inevitably exact a toll. The amount of skill degradation involved will obviously vary from batsman to batsman, but in certain cases it *can* be both sudden & dramatic. Just take a look at the stats: in his last 10 innings, Tendulkar's averaged 15.3; he hasn't scored a century for 28 innings. Kinda puts me in mind of Graham Gooch & Mike Gatting, who both played their final Tests on the Ashes tour of '94-95 at the ages of 41 & 37 respectively. Gooch hit a memorable double hundred against NZ in June '94, but by the time he bowed out at Perth in January '95, his last 19 Test innings had produced just 397 runs at 20.88, with a single half-century. Likewise, Gatting made just 320 runs in his final 15 innings at 21.33. And *that*, my friend, is why so many batsmen have the wisdom to retire once they hit their mid-30s & their scores start to plummet...

  • Sanawana on November 27, 2012, 14:20 GMT

    Oz are playing punter! they can! Will India play Sachin? It's a test for Indian selectors but it's also true if Finn plays in next match and the wicket is sporting just like Dhoni had asked then no wonder England will bag another victory even if Sachin does not play. My guess is the next Pitch will be flat, a batsmen's paradise. India will most probably be looking for a draw in next match to salvage their confidence before going into final and who knows India might win on a flat pitch.

  • CricketingStargazer on November 27, 2012, 13:59 GMT

    @SamuelH, Nick Compton is averaging 35 even without a major score. plenty to suggest, as you say, that it is only a matter of time before the breakthrough. Calm and unflappable, he made sure that there would not be a quick clatter of wickets in either innings in Mumbai to get India interested: the foil that the captain needed.

  • on November 27, 2012, 13:57 GMT

    I don't remember the last time India were worried of opponent's spinners on their own soil. I am not an Indian or English fan but this test was a perfect appetizer for the rest of the series.

  • itsthewayuplay on November 27, 2012, 13:23 GMT

    If you've seen Tendulkar bat over the last 4 / 5 years in tests not the last 6 he has been ordinary with only occasional glimpses of his superb strokeplay. If he could bat anything like Pieterson did in Mumbai there may a strong case for his inclusion but he didn't and hasn't for a long time. I don't understand your point about threadbare reserves - players have to be given opportunities in the way that Tendulkar was once given his otherwise we'll never know how good they are.

  • SDHM on November 27, 2012, 11:46 GMT

    @Vivthegreatest - bringing in Morgan would only reinforce that sentiment. Done absolutely nothing in domestic cricket to win back a recall and was given a Central Contract in a blind panic by the selectors as they desperately sought a replacement for KP. Patel has hardly done anything wrong; he was unlucky with decisions in Ahmedabad and looked more comfortable against spin than a couple of more established players have done in both Tests (Trott & Bell specifically) here in Mumbai. He wouldn't be my pick at 6 for England, but I think he deserves a better chance than being shunted in the side for Subcontinent tests before being discarded again - he is a better player than that.

  • SDHM on November 27, 2012, 11:37 GMT

    @Barry Glynn - Compton has looked better than Trott has or Bell did in the first Test, and he & Cook have put on three consecutive 50+ opening partnerships. He has had two Test matches and has shown plenty of qualities needed for a Test match batsman; patience, concentration & character to go with sharper footwork to the spinners than most. What exactly has he done wrong, except not convert starts so far? Unlike Bell, he has at least made sure it's taken good deliveries to get him out, so even that is not necessarily an issue - if you get a ball with your name on it there is not much you can do. Who would you replace him with anyway? He is a far better bet than Root at the top of the order, and two Tests is hardly enough time to judge someone.

  • on November 27, 2012, 11:27 GMT

    Granted, we won with preposterous ease at Bombay, but this England side still doesn't cut it for me. The truth is that only three players made significant contributions at A'bad & only four at Bombay. Four changes are needed for Calcutta: Bell in at No. 3 for the misfiring Trott, who's barely averaged 30 this year & either plays from too far within his crease or prods forward ineffectually with fatally hard hands; Morgan for the callow Bairstow, whose subcontinental inexperience is simply too great a burden for the side to carry at the mid-point of such a crucial series; Meaker for Broad, on the basis that Broad & Bresnan are both busted flushes but that the swing of Onions or Anderson will be irrelevant at both Calcutta & Nagpur, & that the inclusion of either would also lengthen the tail too much; & Finn for Anderson, because we need our only genuine pacer to blast out India's fragile top order on the flat pitches we're about to be confronted with at both venues.

  • on November 27, 2012, 11:22 GMT

    dhoni was right to comment that match ll finish in 3 and half days but the only differance was that india was on lossing side this is the worst captionship i have ever seen as he dint perform with bat in both tests but its imp to look fwd to the series and india perform better sehwag needs to play the same way he played his 1st test this series and hope all other batsman contribute in next test match at kolkota

  • Ozzbozz on November 27, 2012, 11:14 GMT

    Haha haha haha haha, oops sorry, I tried to be constructive but I can't stop laughing. Now try to be serious. For all those Indian fans who said that Ajmal, who routed this England team, is just average. Then what does that say about the much vaunted Ojha and Ashwin? Not a lot I'm guessing. You can blame Dhoni all you want but the fact of the matter was England's spinners are better than yours, oh and Yuvraj was and never has been of Test match quality. Also England shouldn't rest on their laurels as only Cook, Prior and now Pietersen have scored anything meaningful. The rest haven't turned up.

  • A_Vacant_Slip on November 27, 2012, 9:13 GMT

    @moBlue on (November 27 2012, 02:17 AM GMT) - India team in transition, eh? Sorry, you can't have that as an excuse. When England hammered Australia 3-1 in Australia 2010/11 plenty Australia fan called "Australia in transition" or "poor selection cost Australia". Truth is here in India and was truth in Australia - these are the best team available and England beat them with the best team England had available. Simple.

  • BDforever on November 27, 2012, 9:09 GMT

    First they were horribly humiliated in England then they became pathetic humiliated losers in Australia. Then we humiliated them and kicked them out of Asia cup. Finally they got humiliated in their own backyard as well. Non-stop humiliation. OMG when will this stop? How can their fans bear this? Not only for them but also it's a humiliation for us to see our neighbours getting thrashed everywhere.

  • CricketingStargazer on November 27, 2012, 9:02 GMT

    Interesting to see the Indian reaction to defeat has just been to replace the injured Yadav in the squad by another seamer. No obvious panic, which is sensible, although were England to dominate in Kolkata that would surely change. For England, as a few of the more level-headed posters have pointed out, this is a beginning, not an end: there is a series to win and losing the next Test would undo everything. There will be two tough decisions for the selectors to make to build on this result. Bairstow's excellent formagainst South Africa and youth may help him keep out the out of touch Bell and Staurt Broad has to be replaced, if only to remind him that he needs to perform to stay in the team: personally I would play Meaker or Finn in his place according to fitness and match readiness because we cannot rely on using just two and a half bowlers in Kolkata

  • rohita25 on November 27, 2012, 8:19 GMT

    well first of all i would like to congrates team england for their outstanding performance in this match. they also showd the way to other team how to defeat subcontinent team in their own ground on turning tracks.grt job done by panesar and swann where indian spinners were struggling. well i dhoni is best finisher in 20's and odi's but not in test. bcci needs to thinks about the same. abt tendulkar he is genious and he knows what to do....team india also lacking player like michael hussey...wht a player he is adjust himself in any condition. apart from sehwag we dont have any player scoring in test cricket....next is kolkata where 1lac crowd itself a big challenge for any team...best of luck team india

  • Joby_George on November 27, 2012, 8:05 GMT

    This Indian test XI is below bangladesh. No doubt India are on the top 3 in ODI, but test team situation is pathetic. Zaheer Khan and Sachin are physically not fit to play test. Yuvraj and Dhoni are absolutely not at all test players. Sewagh is now where in his prime form. The only guys who deserves test cap from the current playing XI are (Gambhir, Pujara, Kohli, Ashwin & Ojah). For heaven sake please dont give harbhajan another chance. What is wrong with Bardinath? He is a trusted batsman. Selectors, stop showing mercy on SRT, drop him and let some young guys come and perform.

  • Mantrimani on November 27, 2012, 7:23 GMT

    Mr Charith Di Alwis.

    Do not take consolation at India's loss. Your team also is not any better. People living in glass houses do not throw stones pls remember.

  • bhrangi on November 27, 2012, 7:20 GMT

    @Indian Fans : Look at Ricky pointing, he is still playing then y cant Sachin. THing is Ricky pointing is backed my his team mates, even if he fails others support him and carry the team unlike our star studded team.My worry is even now if sachin fails, entire team crumble after that.,., I wonder What Dhoni is doing in playing XI

  • Jimi01 on November 27, 2012, 7:08 GMT

    Love the headline: England spinners HUMILIATE India.

  • on November 27, 2012, 6:56 GMT

    now they can even win tests at home, playing to their strengths they collapsed, and against an england side which struggles in asia , their recent 3-0 drubbing to Pakistan makes it even more interesting. They're bolwing is perhaps one of the worst in international cricket and now it seems their batsmen cant even play at home.

  • phoenixsteve on November 27, 2012, 6:55 GMT

    Much has been writen about this fantastic English victory and rightly so! For the future tests though the toss will be vital. If England can win these tosses I believe that they will record a sensational series win? But as is emergng from many posts here, Dhoni is a lucky tosser.... (pun intended) and next to his rich comand of lame excuses perhaps being a 'tosser' is what he'll be remembered for? COME ON ENGLAND!!!

  • fr600 on November 27, 2012, 6:55 GMT

    I want to see Bangladesh vs India test match. It will be one hell of a competitive game.

  • Greatest_Game on November 27, 2012, 6:35 GMT

    I look forward to reading Cricinfo's match reports. With so many tests being played, it is my first stop for a quick overview of each day's play. The match report is news, and that is what readers expect. I am neither an England nor India supporter, and have no axe to grind. That said, this report drifts far closer to opinion than news. Headlines with emotive words such as "humiliate" and "drubbing" should not masquerade as news. The headline of the Ahmedabad test's day 5 match report read "Ojha, Pujara set up nine-wicket win." The headline tells us the result with no emotive content, a world of difference from this articles headline, "England spinners humiliate India." 9 wickets is a win, but 10 wickets is now a humiliation? The difference in these headlines creates more than the appearance of bias, something we readers certainly do not expect from Cricinfo.

    Cricinfo - this is fair commentary. Please publish

  • BDforever on November 27, 2012, 6:33 GMT

    Our team managed to give a big fight to West Indians. Now it's been 80 years since India got their test status but still they can't hold a match at least for 4 days in their own backyard. As a Bangladesh fan it's a big shame for me to say India is a neighbouring country of us.

  • VivtheGreatest on November 27, 2012, 6:32 GMT

    If England brought in Finn and Morgan for Broad and Patel, that would probably be their strongest team as for India the team is fast resembling an Old Boy's Club where the members are just taking their places for granted. Some hard decisions should be taken as no one is above the game contrary to what a lot of my countrymen may feel. Sachin, Dhoni, Bhajji, Yuvraj and Zaheer should all be sacked. If we're gonna lose might as well lose with youngsters like Rahane, Tiwary, Badrinath, Yadav and Aaron

  • getsetgopk on November 27, 2012, 6:28 GMT

    I wonder whats the point in India playing international cricket? Seriously, with such dismal showings like the 8-0 and now this ten wicket humiliation at the hands of poms, is actually doing test cricket a disservice. They pride themselves in saying T20 is "INdias GAme" but a mere glance and their T20 WC performances tells a completely different story of utter incompetence and lack of skill in every department except for one or two batsmen that too on tailored/doctored pitches where the rule that rules is that there should only be knee high bounce or else the poor groundsman is sent home packing. Also, if India is there only to loose with a WW margin most of the times and only there to block foreign media to cover a test series and put the rest of the cricketing world back to the inferior ways of umpiring with no DRS, we all be better off without IND. Cricket needs good cricketers to thrive and prosper as it has been for the past 130 years, was no money back then but the finest crictrs

  • drsambit on November 27, 2012, 6:22 GMT

    Its time that Dhoni stop making excuses for any loss and start preparing for next 2 tests with a positive intent. He should look to improve his own batting form or quit captaincy. He was too defensive in mumbai which allowed KP and Cook to settle down.

  • popcorn on November 27, 2012, 6:04 GMT

    Dhoni is useless as Captain, - much less as a batsman. Nor is he an outstanding wicket keeper. He should be sacked from the Team.

    But will politics rule,or Logic?

    You guessed right.

  • popcorn on November 27, 2012, 6:03 GMT

    In no other Cricketing Nation EXCEPT India - because in India EVERY Decision is based on Politics, not Logic - will a Captain RETAIN his Captaincy after leading his Team to a 4 -nil whitewash (against England), followed soon after by ANOTHER 4 nil whitewash (against Australia).Mohinder Amarnath,Selector,called for Dhoni's sacking, but he was sacked instead.Srikant,Chairman of Selectors,who has the habit of papering over problems,felt sorry for Dhoni,instead of chastising him.Not even an Enquiry was held - like Australia had the Argus Review after losing to England.Dhoni's brazen demand for Wickets that are Rank Turners from Day One, has backfired on him. England was ready for it.In a sense,it is delayed justice for Australia,that Polly Umrigar,great cricketer that he was,also Curator,created a dust bowl of a pitch that saw the India - Australia Test match in Mumbai over in two and a half days in 2004.The myth that Indians are the BEST players of Spin has just been exploded.Sack Dhoni.

  • jango_moh on November 27, 2012, 5:21 GMT

    well played to ENG.... great game!!! but all this talk of ENG spinners much superior to IND's is too soon to say.... what happened in 1st test where ojha bowled much better than swan for eg?? most ppl(commentators and fans) are bandwagoners who sensationalise whatever is the latest news!!! i will reserve judgement until the end of the series!!! in THIS test, ashwin and harbhajan were not good, ojha was consistent, and panesar was excellent!!!in THIS TEST!!!! but i agree that we need to change some batsman, did anyone notice how selfish Gambhir was, he hardly tried to protect Ojha during the last wicket stand!!! pathetic!!!

  • on November 27, 2012, 5:20 GMT

    Yuvraj is not a test player. I have always said this. I'm not being harsh on him but its a fact. Sachin should be dropped.no one is above the country. Its time dhoni starts attacking in test cricket. Harbhajan lucky days are over. I knew this match was over the moment pujara was out in the second innings. Had he not played in 1st test, India would have lost that too.

  • on November 27, 2012, 4:40 GMT

    Indian bowlers need to enjoy there bowling rather than trying to take wicket in every ball. Indian batsman are not sure about what to do, added with some silly shots made . I could not understand how all of a sudden most of indian batters forget how to play spin.If they played naturaly india could have won the match.

  • on November 27, 2012, 4:34 GMT

    Granted, we won with preposterous ease at Bombay, but this England side still doesn't cut it for me. The truth is that only three players made significant contributions at A'bad & only four at Bombay. Four changes are needed for Calcutta: Bell in at No. 3 for the misfiring Trott, who's barely averaged 30 this year & either plays from too far within his crease or prods forward ineffectually with fatally hard hands; Morgan for the callow Bairstow, whose subcontinental inexperience is simply too great a burden for the side to carry at the mid-point of such a crucial series; Meaker for Broad, on the basis that Broad & Bresnan are both busted flushes but that the swing of Onions or Anderson will be irrelevant at both Calcutta & Nagpur, & that the inclusion of either would also lengthen the tail too much; & Finn for Anderson, because we need our only genuine pacer to blast out India's fragile top order on the flat pitches we're about to be confronted with at both venues.

  • Solid_Snake on November 27, 2012, 4:11 GMT

    Why i post such harsh comments..there is a reason behind it. When we outclassed England in UAE,some people said that ok it was no big deal because England cannot play spin well & it was Pakistan's own home ground.Very few people admired the Class of our bowlers & how we won. Now i was very keep to see the performance of Indian team,i was expecting a clean sweep because of Indian spinners & their home ground.But something different happened.This Monty guy troubled Pak batsmen too much.I was surprised to see how he was excluded from the first test match.Now when he is back,this series is alive once again.Hope to see a fight back from India in the next match

  • Solid_Snake on November 27, 2012, 4:06 GMT

    Now people would blame Pakistan for England's win.. I can see a new excuse upcoming..England won because Ajmal & Rehman gave them enough Practice to cope with Spin attack.Ojha & Ashwin are the two best spinners but they failed to stop England win only because of Pakistani spinners :P

  • Quddus-Mamu on November 27, 2012, 3:56 GMT

    Bangladesh played much better against world champion West Indies. At least they tried to save the game till 5th days. Team India barely survived only 3 days against England.

  • jqamar on November 27, 2012, 3:40 GMT

    It is nice and great that We have given an entertainment in the shape of a real competition, otherwise England in Asia looks to me just defeating. India have the ability to counter attack.

  • on November 27, 2012, 3:18 GMT

    Well done England... Its really great that you beat overrated Indian's in style... All their hype and talk is nothing... Go on England win the others as well...

  • on November 27, 2012, 3:16 GMT

    Dhoni wanted a turning pitch he got it and then what happened we lost horribly. India needs to have sporting pitches with bounce and spin where there is enough for fast bowlers, spinners and batsmen. Blindly favoring spin is not good in the long run Indian batsmen end up being sitting ducks in Australia, England and South Africa

  • bMike on November 27, 2012, 3:02 GMT

    No need to talk this much about the result of the match. When two teams play with each other if one of them is far superior than the other team they can easily thrash thier weak opposition. That's what happened here. So the only thing we can do is just accepting the reality.

  • bumsteer on November 27, 2012, 2:36 GMT

    The demise of Indian cricket started with the failure to chase a gettable target in WI. Coincides with arrival of duncan Fletcher. The Dhoni-Flectcher mix isnt working. Oh India where is your fight?????????

  • Captain_Oblivious on November 27, 2012, 2:29 GMT

    Good win for Engalnd. By avoiding a 4-0 away defeat, they've already proven they're a superior team to India.

  • VVar on November 27, 2012, 2:17 GMT

    The Indian batsmen can well learn from Faf Du Plessis - on the same day that they were capitulating to spin, the SA batsmen showed character on how to defend the honour of their country. And Tendulkar can well learn form Jacques Kallis - here was an injured man who gave two meaningful performances in each innings. When I see Sehwag or Dhoni bat, I cringe at the complete lack of technique - further Sehwag needs to understand that he is paid to stay at the wicket, not to do a cameo and hurry back to the cool confines of the pavilion - it is high time a corporate model of accountability and scorecard is followed for players to earn their match fees!

  • moBlue on November 27, 2012, 2:17 GMT

    @Neeta: your astute points resonate entirely! yet i despise it when other peeps talk about sachin like he is some ordinary batsman! i mean, if he wants to play a little longer, and believes he *can*, well, he deserves latitude, meThinx... especially because our "reserves" shelf is threadbare in the SRT-caliber category! for - despite his struggles in the last 6 tests - i am not convinced that the sachin of yore is gone!!! this is one dude after all who has obsessed about cricket for 30-plus years! ...and he is one dude who might - for instance - succeed spectacularly if he decides to bat in a far more attacking manner at #4 right off the bat [which would rattle any bowler]!

    @Shan156: your point is well taken, especially about ENG, but it is also true, nonetheless, that IND is a team in transition... yes, kumble retired eons ago, and dravid and lax recently, and yet, they have clearly not been replaced... not dissimilar to oz's struggles to find a decent #3 (after ponting moved down).

  • Richard_Saffa on November 27, 2012, 1:27 GMT

    Cricket gurus of India must have kept silent.Even before the series started, everyone predicted 4-0 victory to India, England cannot bat spin bowling and a lot.. Its time to pay for being overconfident. Indian show in this test match made me think, had Panesar played the 1st test, it wud hav been 2-0 England? India should bring in Rahane.. England must replace Samit Patel with Morgan.

  • AvidCricFan on November 27, 2012, 1:01 GMT

    Some people who are still clamoring for SRT fails to consider that he has now failed to perform in three back to back series consisting of 8 test matches. How much more rope needs to be given to him when he is approaching 40. He can't read the ball fast enough these days. Using excuses of him getting out on good deliveries is ridiculous. He simply failed to read the arm ball in the second innings and spinning ball in the first. I am appalled at BCCI statements about him. At this point, he simply needs to be shown door. BTW, I am his ardent fan but am in pain to see him perform the way he is in the last two years.

  • CandidIndian on November 26, 2012, 23:36 GMT

    Congratulations Eng fans for great victory.From a long time India has not been playing on sporting pitches at home,they rather get slow and low dust-bowls on which batsman are not being tested.Tactics has always been to pile up a big score on a flat track and then choke the visiting teams with slow spin and reverse swing.This strategy may have made India almost invincible at home but whenever they got sporting pitches outside India both batsman and bowlers struggled a lot.If India has to do well while touring, they need to play on sporting pitches,that would separate class batsman from flat track bullies.We might lose a few matches on such pitches but it will have long term benefits,patience is the key here.We dont want another 8-0 outside India, do we?

    !

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on November 26, 2012, 23:32 GMT

    @Nutcutlet, thank you for your kind words. May I add, this is one of the rarest test matches I felt happy that my country lost, hoping our selectors will turn a page. But I don't think it's going to happen. I have seen it all even from my school days. But HOPE never dies, since my attachment with test cricket goes back to 1978 as a 6 year old child. Dravid was such a breath of fresh air when he asked the pretenders to make way with his unmistakeable arrival. I'm not sure if you understand the muscle the commercial endorsements have in our team's selection. Yes, we are a billion people. And yes there are supremely talented youngsters who are rotting away. What you are seeing on television is not the team that should be representing our country. Is there a replacement for Statchin - is an obsolete question. Will the replacement bring success? Stupid question again. Is Statchin bringing any success at the moment? NO. Hero worshippers don't want to ask that question let alone answering it.

  • SanjivAwesome on November 26, 2012, 23:20 GMT

    I have long posted that the England cricketers are truly professional. It was only a matter of time that they settled down and started asking serious questions of our team. I enjoyed this test match and the fight put up by the teams. India clearly have the potential to bounce back and England are on a high after this victory. This is turning out to be a memorable series of Test cricket. As for India, it will be some time before our selectors really understand what it means to chose truly in-form players for the playing eleven. Until that time, India's best current talent is not on display. Just our past talent.

  • sports99 on November 26, 2012, 23:10 GMT

    Playing 3 spinners and no variation in the attack and that allowed Eng to get 80 more runs in first innings and that caused India all out for 120+ in second innings. We miss Kumble and the batsmen who can bat in crisis like Dravid and laxman.

  • jb633 on November 26, 2012, 23:09 GMT

    @ Madhusudan Kisan, I think you make the most valuable point any Indian fan has uttered. I used to be a huge fan of Indian cricket pre IPL but I think the BCCI is destroying your side. I mean India are still favourites to win this series but the away form is the bigger worry. I mean I grew up watching your guys tour England players like Dravid, Sehwag Sachin, Ganguly, Kumble and even players like Jaffer and they had the fight, technique and ability to play in all conditions not just dustbowls. I feel like post IPL the modern Indian cricketers are content to pick up the huge pay cheques provided by the IPL. From an outside perspective the BCCI do not want to address the real issues associated with the Indian cricket side atm, so long as the business venture (IPL) continues to make huge sums of cash. India should not settle for the IPL and their national side being weak. Too much history and class in India to let a circus destroy the national symbol of their cricket team

  • gilly_danda on November 26, 2012, 23:07 GMT

    team india need 4 changes , Haribajan, DHONI, Yuvaraj and Zaheer should go out, Rahane,varun aron, one right arm leg spinner and one wiketkeeping batsman should be in.

  • Al_Bundy1 on November 26, 2012, 23:05 GMT

    It's a myth that Indian batsmen are good players of spin. the fact is that - they are all flat track bullies. 10dulkar and Sehwag are walking wickets, Dhoni lacks technique, Yuvraj/Raina are good only for ODI and T20, and Zak is getting old. It's time we tried our talented youngsters like Rahane, Dhawan, Tiwary, Shami Ahmed, B. Kumar, etc.

  • baduva on November 26, 2012, 21:56 GMT

    @nilb: Remember, flat tracks are available for both the teams playing on it, not just for the Indian team!

  • lokesh.agarwal on November 26, 2012, 21:50 GMT

    Its simple... 1>English Batsmen negotiated the pitch better 2>English bowlers made use of the pitch better. 3>Tendulkar/Yuvraj/dhoni need to step up their game. 4>"tendulkar is getting out on good balls.. thats bad luck for him" -> is the most idiotic thing to say... this is international cricket, you need to survive good balls... This is no excuse... 5> ashwin, harbhajan-> need to be accurate, cant give one boundary every now and then. Their bowling sucked.... 6> The bowling attack cannot be so one dimensional, it makes for a boring test match and lack of options.

  • ayub.ans on November 26, 2012, 21:41 GMT

    A great result for England, for me KP is the most talented batsmen since Lara, hope his temperament remains consistent...

  • nilb on November 26, 2012, 21:37 GMT

    Indian team is so confident that they are strong in flat tracks and England is so bad at playing spin, so the captains asks for test match pitches that spin all five days and starts the bowling attack with Ashwin LOL. The formula is to fill the team with about 8 flat track bullies, 2 spinners who are rated as "world class" and bad fast bowlers like India always used to have (Where's Yadav the only good one?). It's the perfect result and a deserving humiliation. Very well played England. .

  • baduva on November 26, 2012, 21:33 GMT

    What a turn around for England, considering the humiliating defeats at UAE by Pakisthan and in the 1st test here in Ahamedabad! It seems to be due to two men who were out to prove a point - KP and Panesar. Captain Cook also led from the front with solid innings and keeping his cool under intense pressure. I have not watched a Test match of such intensity and tension in a long time. Far more interesting than any ODI or the pointless slogging T20.

    In modern day cricket, none of the top teams can boast that they have humiliated the opponents because within a short time results can change completely, proven by the short lived status of England as the number 1 Test team. While the competitiveness keeps the games interesting, one should not pay too much attention to the ranking. It proves nothing!

  • CandidIndian on November 26, 2012, 21:26 GMT

    Dravid_Gravitas_Statchin_Selfishkar- Good call,if India gets more sporting wickets in future selectors will be forced to select players with good technique,right now India has lot of record makers and IPL babies,real heroes like Laxman ,Dravid and Kumble have retired.All flat track bullies should be exposed like this before we tour again,otherwise one more whitewash will happen followed by many more.

  • Me_A_Gemini on November 26, 2012, 21:26 GMT

    Veryyyy simple....India should keep in mind that they at least had a moment to celebrate in this series. They can imagine what would have happened if Monty had played the last test match. 3-1 to England is definitely on cards.

  • snkhan on November 26, 2012, 21:03 GMT

    I am an ardent fan of the game first and then of SRT, No individual is big enough than the game itself.. having said that, I would also like to mention that whatever status Indian cricket has achieved today is due to him who has contributed a lot more than anybody else not just to the Indian Cricket but also to the game itself. Talking upon his current form, yes, he is out of form at the moment, but we all know that form is temporary and class is permanent, so nobody other than him is a better judge to decide about what he should be doing now. However, in this cricket crazy nation where cricket is a religion and not just a sport, people tend to speak about his retirement due to his poor form, and he has set up such a high benchmark for himself that people are picking on him due to his current form. Above all, his wicket is still considered as the biggest prize wicket which gives another psychological advantage to Team India, so let us all pray for his comeback to form, We r with u SRT

  • BravoBravo on November 26, 2012, 20:51 GMT

    Lets face it, IND is a below average team and wil be like that for decades to come. Its not their bowler only, its the batsmen (it is now very much exposed), they cant play quality bowling , making 327 in first inning got them elated. As a matter of fact 400+ score are being regularly scored by NZ and BD even. Blaming MSD is not going to solve any problem for this mediocre team IND. He is great captain and match winner more than any member of current IND team. To win a match, you need atleast 2-3 players performing simultaneously. On ENG side Cook, KP, Swann, Panesar performed and won the march for ENG.

  • SK_Shahi on November 26, 2012, 20:41 GMT

    It is hard to believe. On the turning pitch, Indian spinners struggled and Monty took 11 wickets. It is always believed that Indian Batsmen are good player of spin. Time has come to take difficult decisions to build the team again.

  • test_cricket_is_real_cricket on November 26, 2012, 20:35 GMT

    I dont understand why yuvi is being persisted with... he has been dropped from the test team 8 times earlier, and he has proved time and again that he is NOT a test player... and for all those asking for sachin to retire, who do u think can replace him?? rahane?? what if he fails too??? do we call sachin back?? or do we bring raina back or yuvraj back or vijay back??? think about the future when there is are players for the future... bring rahane for gambhir and test his skills for 2 matches first, then think about him as a replacement

  • SDHM on November 26, 2012, 20:32 GMT

    @Follow_Cric8 - Dhoni was right to be critical of the bowlers I thought, but to blame them for the defeat is going too far - after all, it's not their fault the batsmen collapsed to 142 all out. That's where India lost the game.

  • on November 26, 2012, 20:11 GMT

    This really signalled a nightmare for team India. Dhoni asked for spinning wickets as it is suppose to be a way of giving the home team advantage. What do they ask for next? A cement wicket I suppose, as I am sure the Englishmen would not have experience of playing on that. Was very lame of England not to play Monty in the first test. They did the same against Pakistan in UAE not picking him for the first match. And still did not learn from that mistake.

  • on November 26, 2012, 19:57 GMT

    Last 10 innings - Pujara averages 79, Kohli 61, Sehwag 40 and Gambhir 27. Dhoni averages 37. Even R Ashwin, who bats at No. 8, has scored 303 runs at an average of 38. Unfortunately SACHIN is just 15. But India will comeback!

  • Shan156 on November 26, 2012, 19:55 GMT

    @moBlue, India are missing Dravid, VVS, Ganguly, and Kumble. Yes, and England are missing Strauss, Vaughan, Flintoff, White, Harmison, and Hoggard. Not. C'mon, those players have retired. In fact, Ganguly and Kumble retired more than 4 years back. How long are you going to claim that you are missing them? And, how come England is *established*? Only 3 batsmen are experienced - KP, Cook, and Trott (who is in his first tour of India). The 4 bowlers are reasonably experienced. Now, let's look at India who are playing at home - Tendulkar, Dhoni, Gambhir, Sehwag, Zaheer, Yuvraj, Harbhajan are all quite experienced. That is even stevens for me.

  • richardror on November 26, 2012, 19:46 GMT

    As an Englishman, I can't help but wonder why the Indians gift us a wicket every time they send Tendulker out to bat. I completely understand how emotionally attached the Indians are to him, but he is well past it now. He got his 100th 100 and should have called it a day there, but for young fans, the only memory of him are his failings. Tendulker and possibly Sehwag should be dropped for India's future.

  • on November 26, 2012, 19:44 GMT

    With all duo respect to Sachin, I think it's time for him to go, he is making it alot harder for Dhoni to concentrate on other issues.

  • itsthewayuplay on November 26, 2012, 19:41 GMT

    @Nampally I can't agree with you on a 3 issues. 1. Doleful batting - it was top quality spin bowling and at pace from a left and right hander, something that the Indians rarely see. On top of that Pansesar was getting bounce. We were completely outbowled and yet again the English bowlers looking like they're bowling on a different strip to ours only this time it was their spinners in India and last time it was their seamers in England. You have to be able to play all types of spin to be best players of spin not just on low surfaces. 2. Whilst Dhoni's batting has been shocking and his keeping shoddy at time I'd keep him as captain and give else the gloves or bring in a batsmen. I think Zaheer bowled well enough in the 1st test. But Sehwag Gambhir and Harbajan Tendulkar and Yuvraj are all riding the gravy train. 3. After having played so long I'm inclined to drop them now and let them earn their way back into the squad they've had plenty of chances and now it's time for others.

  • Stark62 on November 26, 2012, 19:40 GMT

    It's a shame Indian fans are living in denial and can't comprehend the fact, that Pak are superior to Ind in Tests.

    Pak are below average in ODI's, unpredictable in T20's but consistent and solid in Tests, ever since Misbah took over.

    Also, Pak won a Test match in Eng, drew a series against Aus in Eng, plus rolled over Eng for 72 and Aus for 88, which will go down as some of the worst totals they have reached.

    The truth is, Pak would beat Ind and if you think Cook is a headache, then just imagine what Younis Khan would be like because he averages 88.06 against Ind.

  • Shan156 on November 26, 2012, 19:38 GMT

    Few Indian fans calling for Sachin's retirement. As an England fan, I would like nothing better than to see Sachin's name absent from the Indian XI. Not just me, but I am sure other England fans as well as, and above all, the England players. Sure, he is out of form but Indian fans should know more than anyone else that this man has this remarkable ability to not stay out of form for too long. As an England fan, I hope he fails this series but it will be all the more easier for our bowlers if he is rested or retires. Of course, not saying that some younger player like Pujara cannot take his place and cause more grief for us. Also, what do Indian fans think about Harbhajan? Would he be selected ahead of Ashwin? I think England would rather play Ashwin than Harbhajan although the latter had been out of the team for a while. The next test is in Kolkata where he probably had the greatest moment of his test career in 2000-2001. I think he will play and England should be wary of him.

  • mohsin9975 on November 26, 2012, 19:35 GMT

    Sachin please stop humiliating yourself. You play only occasional odi s and whole ipl. When it comes to test cricket you seem rusty in 1st 2 tests of series & score couple of 50s in remaining tests. Then everything seems good. Same cycle continues in next series. What is it that u want to achieve now? You have been letting ur team down for at least the last 4 series & 2 years. All ur runs ur 100s seem scratchy nowadays. No magical touch left. Barring a couple of inngs you have never saved india in crises. U never had the grit to fight it out for the country. Almost 200 tests still nothing in winning cause. The more u continue to play the more I feel u play for stats. U never had any inngs of control and assurance in test matches. U hav been great in odi like dhoni and yuvi, but a circumspect and scratchy player in tests. Definitely not great as many say. I rate vvs, dravid, waugh, lara even clarke above u just bcoz they deliver in crisis unlike u. Sorry SRT fans bt that's the truth

  • Nampally on November 26, 2012, 19:35 GMT

    @Anik Agarwal: Sachin has failed against pace bowling & against spin. In 2 Tests he has not exceeded a total of 30 in 3 innings. Pujara has scored a double century & a century with a total of nearly 390 in these 3 innings . So we have contrasts of Indian batting. One a legend on his last legs & another a young rising star. Youngsters like Tiwary have been waiting for a chance to show their talent but cannot get in because a legend who has attained everything possible does not believe in making way for youngsters, even when he is past his best! This is the reason why people are asking for SRT to retire gracefully. Pujara, Kohli & Tiwary may be the future of Indian batting. Other youngsters like Chand,Rahane, R.Sharma, S.Raina are also waiting in the line up.If they do not get their chance at the right age, they will be too old to get in. SRT got in when he was below 18 because he was lucky to find an opening. Now it is his turn to create one opening for another youngster.

  • The_bowlers_Holding on November 26, 2012, 19:33 GMT

    moBlue on (November 26 2012, 13:13 PM GMT)-" what is the big deal, ENG? your team is *established*! in fact, weren't you world #1, or something, recently?!? yet, they lost at ahmedabad badly and now they won handily" (awful punctuation by the way)England lost the toss, won in a days less time, have a new opening batsman, Bairstow is fresh, Monty first test in how many years and oh yeah were away. Are you the alter ego of the mysteriously disappeared RAHULCRICKET07 who has plagued all English links for 10 years? Have some grace in defeat like some of your more affable countrymen.

  • TommytuckerSaffa on November 26, 2012, 19:26 GMT

    Its starting to get embarassing now my indian friends. Sachin arguably the best ever batsman (bradman only played against england, the only other team of quality at the time) is starting to really push the boat out. He needs to retire to keep his shining record and reputation intact. Like Pointing for Australia, they are both overcooked and someone needs to put them out of thier misery. Dravid and Laxman did it the right way and with honour.

  • chrisu on November 26, 2012, 19:19 GMT

    As an England supporter I would be devastated if SRT retired after this test. Where would Monty find a new Bunny from at such short notice ?

  • SDHM on November 26, 2012, 19:11 GMT

    @CricketingStargazer - I think Onions or Meaker have an excellent chance of playing in place of Broad in Kolkata. They're not really the conditions for Onions, but I feel England would like the control he offers and he's probably next in the pecking order behind Finn. The temptation to throw Meaker's pace at them must be tempting though, especially seeing as he's a similar sort of bowler to Yadav, who bowled so well in the first Test. Regarding Finn; after Broad's non-performances in the first two tests, I don't think Flower & Cook would want to throw in another bowler with limited overs under his belt. Not just that, but Broad's form has to be looked at - he is so far out of rhythm it isn't funny. Serious injuries have played their part & the one he picked up in Sri Lanka has almost completely derailed him; against India last year and Pakistan in the UAE he was in the form of his life & bowling beautifully. He's not offering much with the bat either.

  • rajeshwords on November 26, 2012, 18:53 GMT

    The defeat is good for Indian cricket. Inspite of class cricketers we rely on spinning pitches for positive results. Our class batsmen especially a star like sachin who knows wankhade stadium better than any one struggled to cope up with the spin, bounce and variation of Engalnd spin department. The less experienced visitors fought well...congrats to cook amd Co.,

  • krishna_cricketfan on November 26, 2012, 18:52 GMT

    Congratulations England. I expected KP to score huge in the first test. He did it in the second. Great show by the ENG spinners and of course Cook is there to score heavily. Monty - You are excellent. This win by ENG augurs well for test cricket. It is not home team advantage anymore. Must have wicket taking bowlers. i.e. India must get wickets in low scoring matches. Even now, we depend on big first innings score to propel the team. When are we going to get bowlers who can get opposition out consistently with in 300 runs?

  • Follow_Cric8 on November 26, 2012, 18:40 GMT

    Kudos to England for a fantastic victory and a well deserved one. Besides team performance (which is given without a question), captaincy is extremely critical in steering towards a positive outcome. Dhoni's excuse that bowlers didn't bowl in the right areas seems very stupid. He could have rectified it on the field by talking to the bowlers or in between session breaks but instead chooses to provide excuses post match after all the damage is done. The line & length of our spinners especially Ashwin was rubbish. He was bowling as if it's a ODI/T20 game to contain runs with middle/leg line or round the wicket negating LBW chances. This failure like ones in the past will NEVER be introspected and the same rigmarole will continue. I guess most fans are quite reasonable in accepting couple of odd failures but these many just baffles me and throws us back to the days where we used to partcipate in games for name sake & get beaten shamelessly instead of competing hard to win.

  • on November 26, 2012, 18:36 GMT

    Indians are delusional lot. they have a team which hardly performs outside their country and overrated players, who are praised to the skies by their poor fans. lol. only fools would call their players gods and resort to such name calling. funny people

  • on November 26, 2012, 18:33 GMT

    I dont agree with people saying Sachin should retire.. its just his luck which is not working.. he is getting out on good balls everytime.. if we are to blame for this defeat there are the bowlers and then the captain himself. Dhoni's england tour and aussie tour have been messed up. His scores rarely go above 20 in tests.. still no one raises a finger at him. In aus sachin scored well .. of course not to his standards but still decent scores.. guys instead of blaming everything on one person think of the team, one guy cannot deliver eery team, if u r playing as a team play as a team, our bowlers are pathetic be it spinners or be it pacemen, and batting dept sucks coz we have players like dhoni who lack skill and technique to bat. I think we need a better captain in tests who has this fighting spirit and not a person who fails to authorize supremacy .

  • Fabianenio on November 26, 2012, 18:32 GMT

    I personally feel we all blow it out of proportion, isn't India either winning the 1st or losing the 1st and then coming back strongly???

    We tend to forget that the Indian Team faces changes when we get defeated badly, if we win we keep the same team, if we lose we tend to either Blame someone or try to change the team.It's human nature.............Dhoni thinks at time which is wrong that since he won the 1st test he will win the 2nd......England has already won the testin Mumbai and have challenged to win again which they did, so why have similar pitches. We should have had a fast & pacey track with a little bit of spin which would have left both teams wondering. That shows in India or anywhere else India cannot rely on the pacers. In the history of the game in India we have been hyopcriks by performing on spin tracks to show that we are only good at that. Mr. MS Dhoni, be a man and organise other tracks not the ones that only suit you. Thats where you will be challenging the world.

  • GetTheWorldCup on November 26, 2012, 18:29 GMT

    Simple.. the pitch suited the english spinners perfectly ie spinners who bowl faster than the slow loopy spin by Indian spinners. I am not sure if Dhoni ever thought if this possibility but it should be an eye opener for him. On top of it KP and cook were simply awesome and they earned a well deserved victory for the team. The thing indian team needs to work on is india no longer has the steel of laxman or dravid or a tendulkar in prime to cover up when bowling fails. There is pujara, but we need more. In similar match situations in the past, they would have been able to pull out a draw.

  • lobsterchampion on November 26, 2012, 18:17 GMT

    First of all, congratulations to the England team. They played really well and outplayed India in all departments. They batted better, their spinners performed better. England now has the momentum and I would say are the favorites to win the series. Being a die hard Sachin fan it pains me to say that either selectors should drop him or he should retire. Rahane should be brought in, should open with Gambhir. Sehwag should be moved to middle order. As for bowlers, i dont think there are any other options. Umesh is already rules out, so India have to go with Zaheer. Depending on pitch conditions India can go with 2 spinners or 3 spinners. If a choice needs to be made between Bhajji and Ashwin, I would go with Ashwin simply because he is a better batsmen. I think that the future Indian team should be built around Kohli, Pujara and Rahane.

  • JPM227 on November 26, 2012, 18:14 GMT

    I am stunned by Dhoni's Post match Comments.."When two best sides are playing, series are close. It will be a test of character in the two coming games." Best team..Is this a joke..!! I never saw best team plays in a manner this team did..I think just like renovation of house, this team too needs complete renovation..

  • yogi.s on November 26, 2012, 18:11 GMT

    I disagree with the point in the article that india are under pressure to change the pitches. Firstly, dhoni has made his views clear why he would prefer pitches like this one and it totally makes sense. I think the media has a bias against spinning pitches compared to seaming ones. So what if the game is over in 4 days look at the positives : 1) We had two people playing their best innings arguably to put their team in a winning position . 2) Only the bowler who could bowl at the right pace had a chance to pick quick wickets. 3) Also, it took the toss out of the equation, yes the team batting first had an advantage but the other team had a chance as england showed. If the above 3 were offered by a seaming pitch everyone would go gaga over the curator, so why not here? Tests in india are boring and many draws happen so this is best way to go about it if we want to see more results and masterclass innings and most importantly the better team winning.

  • on November 26, 2012, 18:08 GMT

    They were denied spinning tracks in warm-ups.. denied average spin bowlers in warm-ups.. given big turners in the real matches..lost 1st test with a huge margin.. the opposition captain asking a rank turner which turns from first ball of the match..lost a crucial toss on such a wicket..and their opposition scored 327 runs.. which everyone wondered(including me) that was sufficient to close them out in 3 days.. yet they won the match in 3days and 1 session with 10 wickets remaining.. (From an India who is an English cricket team supporter, and yeah I dont like Indian cricket team)

  • on November 26, 2012, 18:07 GMT

    As an Indian,I watched the whole match...that England were better team for all 4 days played...They bowled magnificently..Batted positively..on the track where they could have been again defeated...Spinning since 1st session...Panesar & Swann bagged 19 wickets out of 20...bowling cleverly & asking questions & bowling to field..They created & grabbed opportunities...English batsman scored heavily against 3 spinners...Apart from Ohja...Ashwin & Harbhajan looked mediocre...Our Middle order is very unreliable...with SRT poor form...& Kohli's rash shots & Dhoni clueless dismissals...Pujara was supported by Ashwin in 1st Inning...Our batsman panicked & played like limited overs game..& cost India the match.. INDIAN bowling is very weak...& always been weak...Batting was only department that won us matches...but that too is weakening...India should learn from mistakes & do better in forthcoming test...With Pakistan & Australia next to arrive...This is best time to learn & get ready for future

  • sponcomb on November 26, 2012, 18:06 GMT

    Yes, India lost but I did not understand all the criticism on Dhoni, I am Pakistani and in my opinion Dhoni still the best and most respected captain ever have. Most of the outrage is from Indian Media who just blew up the whole thing on him. yes he did fail in test but he is not the culprit. Its the batting who keep failing and like of Sachin , Sehwag and Gambhir who did not deliver . When is the last time when Tendulkar really deliver when its required. In my opinion Dravid is far more best batsman then Tendulkar and always help India in time of crises. Its time for Tendulkar to pave way for others

  • Hira1 on November 26, 2012, 18:00 GMT

    This was not possible if KP was not in English team....he came and he conquered, that was an absolute brilliance from KP, hope we can see plenty of these in coming days

  • on November 26, 2012, 17:59 GMT

    Dhoni was never wrong in his demand for spinning tracks. Is he going to get them in English tours, if not in India. Can he be blamed if BCCI is promoting flat tracks for IPL and limiting the spin talents in the country. If Indian batsmen are exposed to mediocre spinners on flat tracks in domestic matches can we expect them to sustain against quality spin on turning tracks. BCCI wants test cricket to die, so that IPL will fluorish. India can fight only against weak teams or against strong teams playing below par cricket. The only reason India failed coz they got demoralised by the record stand of cook and KP. They just couldn't compete beyond a level coz they are all short of confidence in playing quality spin. All congrats to BCCI for succeeding in derailing the test cricket in India. Poor guy Dhoni..... you can't win unless England plays foolish cricket in the tour.

  • Al_Bundy1 on November 26, 2012, 17:57 GMT

    Partially with @AlexPalmer90 - we have 1.2 billion people. But we keep losing because we keep playing the same players - Tendulkar, Yuvraj, Dhoni, Sehwag, Gambhir, and Zak have been playing for the last few years. Very few youngsters are given a chance. It's time to make wholesale changes in Indian cricket team. Drop all non-performers, starting with Tendulkar.

  • SantoshGhirnikar on November 26, 2012, 17:56 GMT

    What a disaster! This is a classic case of unintended consequences. Prepare a spiteful track to ambush your opponents and then find to your horror that it is the opposition that is ambushing you. Time for the selectors to grow a pair and make a call on SRT. He has gone beyond his use by date. I know there is a legion of fanatic supporters of SRT, but we can't defend the indefensible. SRT is NOT the future of Indian cricket and the sooner we blood some youngster, the better. Also, drop that worthless fielder Ashwin and bring in Mishra or Chawla. Both are decent bats and much superior fielders. And what has happened to Zak?

  • SDHM on November 26, 2012, 17:55 GMT

    Just want to say that for once it's a pleasure to read the vast majority of the comments - both sets of fans are overwhelmingly sensible and gracious, which can't be said all that often! I think that is the effect of an excellent Test match full of great cricket to enjoy, whether your side has won or lost. Cook, KP, Monty & Swann were magnificent and not much more needs to be said about them, so as an extremely biased and proud Somerset fan I'd quite like to mention the way Compton played. Scores of 29 & 30* are hardly setting the world alight, but he showed all his qualities in this game; his doggedness and concentration in the first innings, and his ability to both use his feet going backwards and forwards and play some lovely strokes in the second. Looking more like a Test match player with every ball that passes.

  • The_bowlers_Holding on November 26, 2012, 17:50 GMT

    Hopefully this post will be allowed, what would worry me most from an Indian perspective was the body language at the start of the 3rd day -still 146 in front- looked disinterested. Is playing test cricket for your country at home not a motivational factor, MSD and management must take reponsibility for that. I forecast 2 flat tracks to come to ensure draws and ∴ prevent series loss.

  • alfredmynn on November 26, 2012, 17:49 GMT

    @AlexPalmer90, there's probably an optimal point beyond which just having a larger population is not useful. A population of 10 million is probably sufficient to excel at any sport, provided it's managed properly. Witness the West Indies cricket teams of days past, or the Jamaican sprint team of recent times. It seems to me that the BCCI, which some Indian posters strangely believe is above criticism, is utterly incompetent at its primary job of developing cricket. Why, I think they are incompetent businessmen as well; in my opinion, mere historical accident (an emerging economy plus little competition from other sports) has made them as rich as they are. With a more professionally managed cricket set-up, there's no reason a country that produced Kapil, Gavaskar and SRT shouldn't at least be decent at test cricket. And speaking of SRT, the great man must retire, if only for his own sake. As the lion fades away, the vultures start to circle, as a glance at these boards shows!

  • Thrikeso on November 26, 2012, 17:48 GMT

    Ok Monty bowled well. However the difference seems to be the fragile Indian middle order with Sachin struggling for runs, and Kohli and Yuvraj trying to establish themselves a spot in test cricket. Compared to this, Kevin Pietersen's form, made a big difference, in proving a platform for Monty to shine! India needs to relook at the middle order and change for better..

  • Cpt.Meanster on November 26, 2012, 17:37 GMT

    @AlexPalmer90: Fair question and thanks for putting it out to Indians. I am a Canadian of Indian heritage and I can tell you a few things about India. Yes, India is HUGE, geographically and population wise. The world's 6th largest nation and yet, we don't have proper athletes. Why ? Not cause of the people themselves, but cause of politics, regional bias, social discrimination etc. ONLY the elite make it to the top of the table in India. I helped my young cousin with a research thesis on India recently. Some of the findings are shocking. As far as cricket goes, India has an abundant pool of players yet the mediocre make it to the national team. Once again, politics is your friend here. Sure, India have produced some fine players over the years but 1 or 2 individuals can't take you to the top. It's a team sport. As far as Olympics medals go, India is BETTER than Pakistan, SL and Bangladesh. None of those teams even have a medal.

  • on November 26, 2012, 17:34 GMT

    Nepotism is very prominent in India. We indians accept non performers as stars and glorfiy them. The treatment applies to sports, politics, films. i am not surprised by the test result. We are a highly complacent team. What is Dhoni doing behind the wickets if he cant advice his spinners. Harbhajan, sachin, yuvi are in the team based on PR selection. I am sure all the advertisers are pressurizing BBCI to latch onto big brand names rather than new talent. Indians got a taste of their own medicine. We havent got rid of colonial hang over. These heavily paid foreign coaches are on an expensive holiday. BCCI is only interested in their bank balance while our cricket is becoming a national shame. Who is going to bell the overgrown cat now?

  • Cpt.Meanster on November 26, 2012, 17:30 GMT

    First things first guys, Sachin Tendulkar MUST go ! It's time Mr. Sandip Patil has a word with the fading 'GOD'. He looks more mortal to me now. It's an insulting thing to play the way he does nowadays. I am TIRED of Indian fans chanting his name and arising to their feet to welcome him only to see him get out CHEAPLY and walk back in disgrace. It's becoming so frequent now that teams feel his wicket is a mere formality. He should think about India's future and decide to call it quits IMMEDIATELY. That would help a talented youngster in Rahane who is a solid player and could also open the innings for India. In addition, Ashwin should STOP talking about his mystery ball and instead LEARN how to properly bowl his regular offspinning delivery. He's average at best compared to Monty and Swann. Too many questions for India ahead of Kolkata. But I am an optimist and hope to see India 'bounce' back with a win.

  • wiseshah on November 26, 2012, 17:29 GMT

    Icc should take away indias test status after this match. They have played highest numver of matches without any improvement, except playing in their own background with typical spinpitch, plus taking advantage of opposition injury.

  • Dilruksh on November 26, 2012, 17:28 GMT

    First of all congratulations to England for beating India by their very well known own medicine...its really a shame the only batsman who really fought was gambhir.as for tendulkar his time is over in test cricket also his international career.its best to give a chance to another rising star and step away from cricket.considering bhaji i think your time in international cricket has come to an end the youngsters are taking over from you.as in this match we see that you were struggling really hard for a wicket.

  • Pax1110 on November 26, 2012, 17:28 GMT

    I am a keen observer and have been closely following all the matches which are being played across the globe. Yesterday, when Gambhir reached his half century the kind of gesture he displayed was of utter disgrace clear signs of the rift in the team. All the playing 11 have different agendas Gambhir trying to prove his point, Sehwag again is the same, Pujara still new and showng his abilities, Sachin, god only knows what more he wants, Kohli an't get over his 20 mod, Yuvraaj is still trying to comeback, btw he never was a test player. Dhoni never had the footwork to play anywhere apart from the sub continent the hunger for runs have died after making all the money. Today, when Faf du Plesis played a gem of a knock to save the test match and his celebration after making his maiden century was so humble and elegant because he knew the job was unfinished as he had to bat for another 20 overs to save the test match, which he eventually did batting for almost 8 hours.

  • on November 26, 2012, 17:25 GMT

    @AlexPalmer90 : I'm not too sure what you are asking. You have stated a fact which is true. Do you want a reason for it? Or do you simply want to gloat?

  • trueanalyst on November 26, 2012, 17:25 GMT

    India won at green Mamba (Durban) & also against England at Nottingham.Durban was the place where South Africa's great bowling attack was expected to blow away India but what happened?These things happen & also it will be a wakeup call for the Indian players

  • cric_fan123 on November 26, 2012, 17:25 GMT

    1. Dhoni has to go.developed the same ego as did Ganguly. not performing but keeps blaming every thing else.keeps playing Yuvraj for no apparent reason. 2. The openers - Gambhir has to go, his 2nd inning notwithstanding. Gambhir has no century for three years now 3. Sachin -I am not a sachin basher but his time is up. He is now like Kapil Dev playing just for sake of 434 wickets. He is and will remain a legend but getting shamed should not be his end. 4. Middle Order - Why is Yuvraj playing? He is an ODI batsman, spin is not his cup of tea. 5.Bowlers - Ashwin is still a good bet, gets frustrated easily. Bhajji should kiss his career goodbye. Why is he still playing is a mystery. @AlexPalmer - I am tired of this quote - '1.4 billion yada yada' Learn a bit of cultural history before saying. Indians are more study oriented, not many take sports full time. Even if they do, not many make it. FYI, there used to be a better spinner than Ojha in state level team. He never got selected.

  • JustIPL on November 26, 2012, 17:23 GMT

    I am really not surprised by this result for India. It is painful but I would like recall the windies tour where Dhoni went defensive and did not try to win a match just to make up numbers and later on we saw whitewashes. The syndrome has moved to the home soil where the tactics of keeping original spin attack away from english during warmups, preparing highly doctored pitch and winning toss could only work through the first half of first test and then the slide is on. Ojha and Pujara are the ones who are the most promising and the other lot is definitely lower then them. It also proved that rank are not turned so easily as Enland have a side that reached the top test ranking after building up for so long while India had it due to the decline of aussies and the big four who are now gone. India should take next two tests to give opportunity to all new players as they need to have sweeping changes to do it right. Trying bench strength against the top ranking team is important.

  • Indian_Cricket_Fanatic on November 26, 2012, 17:21 GMT

    I really wish india give chance to rahane and tiwary ..... Current state of indian cricket makes me say "Sachin please get out of that team.Pathetic burden. I can't wait for rahane to replace him!" @virat: you want to score your hundred..if thats what it is..don't get out man! @dhoni: get out of that team. you are great t20 and odi player. not test! bring saha/parthiv in place. And stop critisizing the pitch. @indian bowlers: set some standards for yourself get tiwary in place of yuvi!

  • mohan86mba on November 26, 2012, 17:15 GMT

    when Sourav retired his avg was 48 in last 5 tests, and dravid, laxman, kumble were good and retired gracefully, we actually missed them and didn't want them to go when they announced their retirement. We all respect what Sachin did and so BCCI that's why no one is raising voice against him but he should not misuse and it seems that he has plans for 10 more years which is possible bcoz there are people 2 support, even the above comments suggest that but he hadn't done anything special not in last 5 tests but for past 5 years he's not doing great..............who knows we m8 get another pujara or kohli...............and no words to describe another fellow DHONI

  • trueanalyst on November 26, 2012, 17:14 GMT

    There is nothing to crow about this victory.This is Mumbai & last time also England won at Mumbai,even against Australia India could set only 110 target.In that match a part time left arm Spinner Michael clarke ran through India in the second innings so nothing surprising here.Things will be back to their old self in the next match.Umesh nonavailability is a big problem though. Mark my words @Front-Foot-Lunge et all I will be der next match .

  • on November 26, 2012, 17:09 GMT

    Really surprised to see India loose the match in such manner. The management needs to make some tough decisions when it comes to player selection but it won't happen. In our country, it's individuals before the team. Dhoni and Yuvi are not suited to test Cricket. Sehwag is inconsistent and Gambhir is a good player but last few years, his form has taken a huge dive. Sachin should stick to playing ODI because test cricket requires stamina and good physical conditioning. Ashwin is okay but not in the same league as naraine, ajmal, mendis or monty. Actually, a lot of changes needs to take place because India should give more opportunities to newer players instead of sticking to the status quo. anyway, wish team india all the best. inshallah, try harder next time.

  • sk12 on November 26, 2012, 17:08 GMT

    I think its the first time since a long long time back we got beaten at home by spin. '99 Sqlain Mushtaq, 06 Shaun Udal come to mind, but the fast bowlers had a good hand in those matches taking early wickets.. I still feel all is not lost yet in this series.. just that this pitch matched the natural bowling style of Panesar (who made full use of it), which may not happen in the next 2 matches. Our bowlers did ok, but that freak knock from KP definitely put off our bowlers. Clearly there was lot more spin and bite from our bowlers once he got dismissed, we polished off their lower order without much discomfort. Lets hope the Panesar KP show is a one-off, surely it cant happen twice in a series.

  • topeleven on November 26, 2012, 17:05 GMT

    Well Done England. I was waiting for this opportunity. To ask for rank turner pitches is itself self explanatory that our spinners dont spin if the surface has little assistance. They got what they said when the great Ravi Shastri did say spinners will be licking their fingers and will run through the England side has backfired.Time to realise that spin is a threat to Indians too. Monty bowled well and quick and used the bounce which indians failed. Ojha was excellent. But Cook and KP were at their best .One shot for a six by KP of Ojha over cover region is the shot of the match. It has style substance arrongance non chalance and timing. Keep it up England

  • CricketingStargazer on November 26, 2012, 16:57 GMT

    The funny thing is that Dhoni played to Monty Panesar's strength with the choice of pitch. On a surface offering less extravagant assistance he is too metronomic. Over the years he has tended to be a shock weapon who has been very effective for one or two Tests and then loses effectiveness as batsmen realise that his variations are strictly limited. On this pitch he became lethal, allowing that average of 60 in India to come down sharply. He may never be as effective again in India, unless served up a similar pitch. We will never know but, had he played in the 1st Test it is quite possible that he would have done so with very limited success although, at very least, he would have kept an end tight for Graeme Swann to attack at the other.

  • Shan156 on November 26, 2012, 16:50 GMT

    @bigwonder, do you have any evidence in support of the 'fact' that the Indian spinners are better than their English counterparts? Swann and Panesar have played all around the world and have done reasonably well. Ojha has played only in the sub-continent and still has an average in excess of 30. Ashwin too did well in India but was thrashed in Australia. The less said about Bhajji the better. Even during his heydays, his stats outside India were mediocre.

  • Shan156 on November 26, 2012, 16:48 GMT

    Big thanks to all gracious Indian fans who have appreciated the England team's performance. I may not be speaking for all English fans but the general sentiment is that this win ranks alongside a test win in Australia. India is that difficult to beat especially at home. As comprehensive as this win has been, it was achieved mainly by 4 key players (2 batsmen and 2 bowlers) with good support from a newcomer (Compton). Nothing to fault about Prior but the remaining 5 need to take a good look at themselves and ask themselves what their contribution has been. I would love to see Finn get fit for the next test and hopefully we will get to see Broad dropped for Finn. Patel should not be anywhere near the test team but I would rather Morgan gets another chance instead of Bell. Trott's drop in form is alarming. Hopefully, he will sort it out before the next test. We need to make it clear that there is no space for passengers in the team. Anyway, this is the time to savour a great win.

  • bumsonseats on November 26, 2012, 16:47 GMT

    its nice to see that the english fans have not gone overboard with their comments, it was a good win. any win after a captain of his country go's demanding the type of wicket, deserves all he gets as far as im concerned. i said before the 1st test if cook did anything in the series he had to call right at the toss, on that type of wicket that was so important well what do i know. re the umpires i would have like more bad decisions go against india for i feel they or at least some of their senior players and the BCCI are holding back the games progress. it would be funny now if they asked midway through the series for the referral system to be used and england turned it down as both boards have to be in favour for its use. now that would be funny.

  • AlexPalmer90 on November 26, 2012, 16:37 GMT

    Let me get this straight. India has 1.4 billion people, a country which only seems to play Cricket (India didn't even win a single gold in the last Olympics). Yet, India still can't win matches consistently or bat in foreign conditions. hehe. Unlike other countries, India has bigger pool of players to choose from. But no matter which players gets selected, they still keep failing to win away matches. Strange.

  • kumarsSansai on November 26, 2012, 16:37 GMT

    @Nampally i like your comment about "alternate young Skipper like Pujara". it will a good move.

  • santhu999 on November 26, 2012, 16:36 GMT

    I think dhoni should bat up the order in tests to gain confidence by making centuries.I am a big fan of dhoni...I want him to score runs in tests as well..

  • remnant on November 26, 2012, 16:35 GMT

    The same KP was quite easily tamed by Saeed Ajmal, and here he was majestic. I think India has really lost the home advantage it possessed since Kumble emerged in the 90s and now that he has gone, we are with spinning bowlers, who we thought were better than they really are! India would now struggle to get 20 wickets henceforth unless it weeds out the deadwood in its arsenal.

  • Arulan_Thomas on November 26, 2012, 16:26 GMT

    @bigwonder. When was the last time Indian spinners actually performed outside of India against top ranked teams? Ashwin, Ohja etc have all failed outside of India. Check the stats and see for yourself. Indians have a habit of putting overrated players on high pedestal. English spinners are better because they beat Indians at their own game.

  • on November 26, 2012, 16:20 GMT

    In England, England won because :

    ...

    1) England had better seam bowlers and 2) English batsmen could play seam bowling better.

    Now, England won in India on a spinning track because:

    1) England has better spinners and 2) English batsmen could play spin bowling better.

    I think it is time for Indian players to accept the reality and start working seriously on their skill, fitness and preparation and stop making excuses.

    Congratulations to the team England, captain Cook and Coach Flower for a well deserved victory! Congratulations to the curators for preparing a very good sporting test track! It really did test the skills pf batsmen and bowlers and made for a very exciting test match! Well Done!

  • bobmartin on November 26, 2012, 16:16 GMT

    This match lends the absolute truth to the saying "Be very careful what you wish for because you might just get it".....As one of the Sky team remarked India were hoisted by their own petard... They wanted a spinning wicket and by God they got one... Just a pity they couldn't make as good a use of it as England did... What will Dhonut ask for next is the million dollar question ..

  • GMathews on November 26, 2012, 16:14 GMT

    If Brad Hogg can play why cant Anil Kumble he is only 41 he could play couple of series untill India find a good leg spinner,"poor fellow" forced him to retire while he was in top form, other big names cant play still in the team, its ridiculous

  • on November 26, 2012, 16:14 GMT

    India should look for good leg-spinner becausssing againe English can only be kept guest quality leg spin. missing kumble !!!!!!!

  • Shankp5 on November 26, 2012, 16:13 GMT

    Kudos to England for a great game of cricket. Negativity doesnt work, and if India are man enough to claim the top most ranking, then they should not be doctoring pitches like this, just because England did it last season. In any case, India does not have the likes of Bedi, Chandrasekhar, Prasanna, Venkat anymore. Indeed, I rate the Indian pacemen higher than the spinners. India's has to stay positive and win at the wonderful venue of Eden Gardens, Kolkata.

  • Nampally on November 26, 2012, 16:11 GMT

    It was absolutely doleful batting by Indian team in both the innings. Pujara & Ashwin gave the Indian Total a measure of respectability. However the second innings Indian batting collapse after Cook & KP's brilliant centuries was inexcusable. There were at least 4 passengers on the Indian team - Tendulkar, Yuvraj, ZAK & Dhoni. I think all 4 need to contribute or quit. India now moans at missing Yadev but to be honest he was poorly used by Dhoni in the First test!. ZAK & Yuvi were never used as bowlers - why? Harbhajan was in the XI in preference to Rahane - Why? Dhoni cannot justify his place in the XI either as a batsman or WK & certainly not as a Captain. It is time to move on to Saha (WK) & to alternate young Skipper like Pujara, who can lead from the front. Get youngsters like Tiwary, Chand & Shami Ahmad + good bowlers like M.Kartik & Rahul Sharma. India should make radical changes instead of carrying on with more of the same. Use the next 2 Tests with an eye on future Indian Team.

  • Stephen_Smith on November 26, 2012, 16:10 GMT

    England spinners humiliate India, lol. I guess the Gods of Indian Cricket were taking a break, they usually do when they have to play on non-flat wickets. Cook, KP, Monty and Swan played great. Well done boys.

  • cric4lyf on November 26, 2012, 16:07 GMT

    by beating india ,england have already won the series..even if eng lose nxt tests even then india cant claim that they have taken theirrevenge..go INdia nad play IPL.....where is your young guns now...

  • Stephen_Smith on November 26, 2012, 16:04 GMT

    Someone here mentioned that India's spinners are superior to England. Who is special? Would that be Ojha who has never played outside the sub-continent and still has an average of over 30? Or Ashwin who looks innocuous even against tail-enders? Or Harby who himself doesn't know what he is doing in the XI? A good bowlers does well against all opponents and in every condition. When Indians players do that, than go overboard with praise. Until than keep mum Indians.

  • tests_the_best on November 26, 2012, 15:59 GMT

    ...The bowling for india actually looks stable. A combination of zaheer, umesh/aaron, ojha and ashwin (whose batting is a big plus, almost a no. 6 bat) seems potent both home and abroad. Bhajji has become a rather pale self of his past and with ashwin's better batting, it's hard to see bhajji making a comeback. No. 1 priority for india is to get the middle order right by quickly trying out new faces. The loss notwithstanding, interesting/exciting times ahead, waiting to see some fresh talent in the indian team.

  • Stephen_Smith on November 26, 2012, 15:56 GMT

    India is only capable of playing on flat and concrete likes pitches at home. Where the Indian players can accumulate their meaningless records than flop consistently when they play overseas. A good player can perform anywhere, which Indian players can't do. Indian fans can shout all they want but results show that India has never done well or even competed aboard. Indians never show any fight and usually give up easily. lol.

  • GMathews on November 26, 2012, 15:56 GMT

    Money game IPL destroyed Indian test cricket, Indian players are unable to play in bouncy and turning pitches at the movement. Other country players are benefited from IPL they are so friendly with Indian pitches, see the example of K Peterson

  • tests_the_best on November 26, 2012, 15:54 GMT

    It's clear by now that the indian side (similar to oz) is facing the effects of transition and for the next couple of years we indian fans can expect a few more losses both abroad and at home. The opening slots still look stable for a couple of years, both sehwag and gambhir get the occasional big score so they are fine for now. The biggest problem is the middle order. The stability that existed till 2-3 years ago through dravid, srt, vvs (who was pure x-factor like kp) and even ganguly before that is all but gone. Pujara seems an able replacement for dravid and kohli has immense talent but the spots occupied by an aging srt and yuvi need proper replacements. Yuvraj was never test-quality outside the subcontinent but it seems he doesn't have the temperament for home tests either. he could be in just the odi-20/20 side (excellent player for those formats) and maybe rahane/tiwary or even raina can be drafted in his place for the next 2 tests and the oz series and later to sa. contd...

  • TheRisingTeam on November 26, 2012, 15:53 GMT

    India were dreaming of a 4-0 revenge whitewash just before this series lol now I think you need to pray that this series as a whole in not lost good luck!

  • mdev.mp on November 26, 2012, 15:52 GMT

    Once upon a time I was a BIG fan of Tendulkar...After seeing our RahuL Dravid's dedication and selflessness, I felt SRT is not so much...

  • The_bowlers_Holding on November 26, 2012, 15:51 GMT

    This victory gives me greater pleasure than away Ashes victories, simply because all of Englands massive wins in 2011 were attributed to luck, missing players etc. Well England lost the toss and had Finn injured and won with over 5 sessions to spare. I realise most Indian fans are not excuse merchants just the multitude (eg RAHUL caps lock) that have posted on every single England post, regardless of who they are playing. And if Monty is Indian because of his family lineage then that makes all of the English players born in SA of English stock legit doesn't it?

  • landsite on November 26, 2012, 15:49 GMT

    Bravo Panesar!Lets hope you are not dropped for the next series that England play whoever that may be.You have been treated very badly since you made England's team some years ago,you were dropped and became a lost soul.I am happy to see you in such form,you are the best spinner in England and should easily play another 50 tests.

  • matsadelaide on November 26, 2012, 15:47 GMT

    CAN INDIA GET BACK KUMBLE IN THE ELEVEN??? noone could fill his absence,India need a good leg spinner,AMIT MISHRA is the better option, BCCI pls pls get rid off all onday/ T20/ Big name players from test squad, groom players like PUJARA for the Indian test team future

  • swat1999 on November 26, 2012, 15:47 GMT

    Weld done England. Seems MS Dhoni dropped himself into the hole which he digging for English crickets. England was excellent in batting, bowling, fielding. I think India loose its Test match tempartment by concentrating of commercial match like T20 and IPL Previously India was great and glorious Test playing nation but now days its dent its shine Congratulation KP, AC, Panesar & Swan. Speacial thanks to England spin bowling coatch Mustaq Aqmed who make this win possible

  • Pritt32 on November 26, 2012, 15:46 GMT

    Credit should be praised for the England's spin bowlers. They are comparatively much better than India's spin bowlers. India's lost the match due to an abject batting performance in both innings. India needs to add new players for the next test at Eden Garden. Got to drop Y.Singh, Tendulkar, H.Singh, Sehwag, and possibly drop Dhoni, as he is an awful captain and a sub standard test player. India needs players who are passionate and committed to play test cricket. I fear India will lose the series 3-1 against a spirited England team if selectors foolishly keep faith in the current crop of players, who are out form and not good enough to play test cricket. It should not be delayed; otherwise Indian will face the lowest ebb in history.

  • RK.Chandru on November 26, 2012, 15:45 GMT

    Funny it is really.... There's an effort to protect our "GREAT", highly rated batsmen by shifting all the blame on the inadequacies of the bowling unit. First innings lead was meagre. Had the bowlers been given around 200 runs or so (which is not big ask and which only means scoring less than even 300 runs in the second innings) to defend, there's a point in blaming them. Barring Gauty and Ashwin, none has even scored in double digit. it's a collective batting failure that has let the team down and do not shift the blame completely on the bowlers. Their batsmen played spin better and our legendary, star studded, over rated batting line up only made their bowling look great. `wonder, how players like Yuvi, Virat, Viru, Gauty, MSD and our "God" Sachin get to play a full series on the basis of mere one performance! Why isn't it the same when it comes to a Vijay/Badri/DK/Tiwari/Dinda, etc., Why these poor cricketers are axed on mere one poor performance? It's time for a complete overhaul.

  • on November 26, 2012, 15:38 GMT

    actually the difference b/w 2 teams is kp.he played brilliantly.and one batsman in india should be aggressive like kp

  • bigwonder on November 26, 2012, 15:37 GMT

    @Front-Foot-Lunge, you got it wrong mate. its not that England spinners were superior - just check historical data. Its just that they had a need and intensity to win and performed better against complacent Indian batting line-up. I am not taking anything away from Panesar, who bowled beautifully, but to call them superior then Indian spinners based on one test is a bit over-kill.

  • on November 26, 2012, 15:36 GMT

    The series is on. Will be a great contest. But I wonder - what happened to the super batting lineup of India? Spin destroyed them in their own soil? What the hell? I guess they never saw it coming. Otherwise, they would have been prepared. I fondly remember how Tendulakar destroyed Shane Warne in 1997 series. He was well prepared for Warne before the series and it paid off for India. Who should take the responsibility now to do the same against Swan and Monty? Kohli? Yuvraj? Sehwag? I am afraid none of them are as talented as Tendulkar was at that time. Tough time for India. Well done England.

  • oval77 on November 26, 2012, 15:36 GMT

    Brilliant performance by England and really heartening to see evidence of some of the fight which we knew they had. Sure, all fans on balance think their own team is a little better than it really is, but I think all Eng fans knew their team wasn't quite as bad as 2012 seems to have suggested so far.

    Indian fans are naturally despairing here, but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Some old names do need to go (Yuvraj, Harbajan, SRT) but there's still an enormous amount of skill and talent in that team, it just needs energising. The most disconcerting thing for me was seeing Yuvraj giving up the chase as Compton struck a boundary. NO matter where you are in the game, what message does that send? Get these jaded old figures out and get the young and other established lads in the team excited about more than just winning and riches again.

    There'll be lots more for both sets of fans to boast about in this series, mark my words!

  • on November 26, 2012, 15:35 GMT

    @WhatTheHellWasThat - Do you think Sachin should still be in the playing 11 ? How about Zaheer Khan dont we need to look for fast bowler?

  • Stephen_Smith on November 26, 2012, 15:35 GMT

    What a match. Always knew if you apply pressure on the Indian batters, they usually succumb to pressure. That's why, the team got such a beating in England. What happened to all the so called Indian spinners? They hardly ever perform outside India, just like the Indian batsman's. Win the series lads 3-1. Overrated Indian team.

  • chandrachuralways007 on November 26, 2012, 15:33 GMT

    All the super England fans, winning a match in god knows how many years in India doesn't make u all a great cricket team..all ur batsmen were utterly rubbish except Cook..Peterson was more scared than attacking...and if u think u r going to win this test series then go ahead dream some more...u will wake up to a harsh reality very soon...If india is a flat track bully, u guys are too...you prepare garden of a pitch to play cricket and hope u win tosses...even Bangladesh once defeated Australia when Aus was in their prime...u guys are just 1 shade above in class...nothing else...so guys, get ready to lose again..Again...and Again...

  • on November 26, 2012, 15:31 GMT

    Except Pujara and Ashwin all failed in the first innings. In the 2nd. innings except Gambir all others failed. It is but natural the result to be a disatarous. The whole team should be scrapped and new team should be formed. It is the begenning of the end for Dhoni. However I wish the team all the success and they should take the failure as the stepping stone for success. Money is spoiling our game of cricket. and some thing to be done to arrest this trend. All Indians feel ashamed of the performanc e and wasting our time to see the game. With regrets. someswar chitlur.

  • on November 26, 2012, 15:29 GMT

    india need fresh blood,,other wise their result will be worst,,i think after winning world cup due to their home ground advantages so they r relax,,that s why their performance are going bad day by day,BCCI should take necessary action...

  • Abidmashwani on November 26, 2012, 15:26 GMT

    I am wondering if Mushi presence in England dressing room as bowling coach/consultant has to do anything to Monty and Swan performance?

  • stalefresh on November 26, 2012, 15:25 GMT

    What Gambhir did on 4th day while batting summarizes this Indian team. He wanted to carry his bat till the end and let tail enders take the risk to score runs or get out. This team does not know the nuances of test cricket anymore. The captain at helm and the president of board are 2 prime examples of people who should be asked to go.

  • enigma77543 on November 26, 2012, 15:25 GMT

    The blame mostly lies on the shoulders of Indian spinners, they had no clue how to bowl on a turning pitch! You bowl slower on unhelpful pitches in order to allow the ball to spin but you should bowl FASTER spin on a turning track because you don't need to try to spin it because the pitch is already doing it & faster spin is harder to play than slower spin as it gives the batsmen less time, not to mention, ! Someone like Kumble or Chandrasekhar would have been absolutely devastated on this pitch, even someone like Afridi; Panesar turned out to be the best spinner because he bowled the fastest of all the spinners on show & even Swann learned & increased his pace in the second innings. Seriously, how could Ojha, Ashwin & Harbhajan be so naive to not realize that bowling spin at a faster speed would be way more effective on a turning track!

  • tests_the_best on November 26, 2012, 15:24 GMT

    well played england and some obvious and not-so-obvious changes needed for india in the next 2 tests. bhajji is obviously going to be dropped, maybe yuvi needs to go as well to make way for rahane/tiwary.

  • IbrahimKhan2012 on November 26, 2012, 15:21 GMT

    Great game of Cricket. Test Cricket is my favorite format so it was pleasant to watch so many matches being played simultaneously. Anyhow, it's unlikely India will make any changes to their squad for the next match so wining the toss and pitch conditions will be crucial. England has the momentum now but India should be okay. Good luck India.

  • Dev-Mitra on November 26, 2012, 15:19 GMT

    The consistent losing is frustrating. What is more frustrating is the fact that there is no change in personnel who play. What is the point of having a domestic structure in place which throws up a reasonable supply of talent? Many players are consigned to a long life away from international cricket without any chances, because the selectors have no gumption to try new faces. I would rather see new faces in the team trying their best than the same old faces with ridiculous hope pinned on them. At least there will be enthusiasm. See what Pujara did. The new selection committee really needs to sit down and take stock of where Indian cricket is going and plan for the future.

  • on November 26, 2012, 15:16 GMT

    Dhoni got what he asked for. A turning pitch, the toss was immaterial and the game was over in 3.5 days! Only India ended up on the losing side. Where's your Midas touch, Mr. Dhoni??

  • Front-Foot-Lunge on November 26, 2012, 15:13 GMT

    The English spinners prove they are far superior to India's spinners. And doesn't that just speak volumes.

  • WhatTheHellWasThat on November 26, 2012, 15:03 GMT

    What we still can and should do:1) Dhoni out: Saha In (The guy made 50 or more pretty much every time in Ranji this yr. and is a good Wkeeper) 2) Yuvi/Bhajji Out: Rahane (as opener and Viru at #6) and Tiwari In. Keep Ishaant/Yuvi as reserve. Yuvi can be a potentially deadly bowler if utilized well but is out of focus in our great captains eye. And last - but not the least - what we need is someone who is out there to prove a point and justify their inclusion in 11. KP and Great Sardaar were in that mentality and we all saw what they did.

  • SnowSnake on November 26, 2012, 15:01 GMT

    So Dhoni got a spinning wicket this time around. As they say, be careful what you ask for because you just might get it. England did come back very well. I don't see India winning this series and best they can hope for is a draw. Bhajji is useless and Kohli was a few match wonder in the past. Pujara, and other two spinners are doing well but that will hardly win India matches. India's best hope is to create batting paradise pitches where getting 20 wickets for England becomes impossible. Even with such pitches, Indian batting order may fail. India may be ranked below #7.

  • Neeta on November 26, 2012, 15:00 GMT

    @moBlue: Well said but it is not the low scores that's the problem. He has suffered a lot of lbw and bowled decisions and his technique and his way of playing is leaving a lot to be desired. Also taking rest for the ODI's is hampering him as he has not been able to find his rhythm quickly enough and the body is reacting a lot more late than it used too. In my opinion, he cannot prolong his rest periods and has to just play more and more cricket to keep himself in rhythm.

  • njr1330 on November 26, 2012, 14:52 GMT

    If India produce a nice flat track for the next Test, then Cookie will get about 800 !!

  • on November 26, 2012, 14:51 GMT

    Liz1558- what have your comments got to do with this post - we're talking about England in India? However, since you brought it up - SA did not win the 3 test series comfortably. Yes they won the 1st easily on a very dry benign non-English type wicket. England got better as the series progressed and in fact nearly pulled off one of the greatest wins in test history. All other countries have a distinct advantage in test cricket because there are and have been many overseas cricketers playing county cricket. This is a distinct disadvantage since English cricketers do not play 1st class cricket in other countries. England lost in the UAE due mainly to DRS and to a bowler, whom I'm afraid, chucks. The spinners currently playing in India do not have suspect actions. Form is temporary, class in permanent. England flogged this current Australian test team - SA are currently hanging on by a thread.

  • on November 26, 2012, 14:50 GMT

    Cricket is an unpredictable game and that's why it's never a good idea to rule any team out or get over-confident. Anyway, I am sure India will bounce back in the next match. All the best. From a Pakistani fan.

  • Rebel_Who_Follows_All_The_Rules on November 26, 2012, 14:44 GMT

    Not even the most die hard IND fan can dispute the fact that we were absolutely OUTPLAYED in all departments in this test.I would also like to say that this is a two team sport and sometimes you have to make sure you compliment the team that got the job done and won the game.ENG had IND on the ropes and they capitalized (AND HOW!!!)..To some of the IND fans who are bitter about the defeat, I realize its frustrating and a hard pill to swallow, but the fact of the matter in this test was that we were simply not as good as ENG and besides,you can't expect people to be happy and cheer for you in victory if you don't know how to deal with defeat.We have to suck it up,take it on the chin and move ahead...Great day to be an ENG fan I guess...not only did ENG win but SAF denied OZ what looked like certain victory as well!!!

  • AVRAJAN on November 26, 2012, 14:44 GMT

    I cannot agree with the general comment that Indian spinners did not bowl well particularly Dhoni's and Boycott's comment. Rather it is the complete batting failure of our worn out batsmen. Lack of application and patience made the English bowlers as heros. The English bowled well ofcourse but what were the so called spin batting specialists like Sachin, Yuvaraj, Kohli and Dhoni doing. The fact that Ashwin was the second top scorer in each innings reveals our batting failure. Though I am a Indian fan I sincerely thank the English for exposing the weaknesses of Indian batting first in English soil and now in India. A complete change in Indian batting line up is necessary and give chance to talented and more patriotic youngsters.

  • Ind_Supp on November 26, 2012, 14:39 GMT

    Congratulations to the England team on winning the match. I hope that India play better cricket and give more fight in the next matches. The next games will be very interesting to watch for all genuine cricket lovers.

  • yorkshirematt on November 26, 2012, 14:34 GMT

    Take nothing away from what was a terrific win, but for whatever reason India aren't quite as strong in Mumbai as they are elsewhere. A bit like, for whatever reason, England often play poorly at Headingley, and SA in Durban. I expect a strong backlash in the next two matches and England will need to be ready. Hopefully they can stop relying on Cook and more than one batsman can stick around with him a la Pietersen in this match or Prior at Ahmedabad. Then half the battle will be won, then they'll just require Monty and Swann to deliver again. Sounds so simple doesn't it?!

  • on November 26, 2012, 14:33 GMT

    Next match should be interesting. Hope, it's not a flat wicket again!! Good luck to the Indian team.

  • jmcilhinney on November 26, 2012, 14:23 GMT

    @hhillbumper on (November 26 2012, 13:21 PM GMT), hindsight is all well and good but Trott played one of the few decent innings from an England batsman in UAE and also batted fairly well in SL so there's no reason that they wouldn't have picked him for this tour. Hopefully he is inspired by the success of Cook, KP and Prior to recapture that form from SL. Taylor will get his turn but they won't be dropping Trott any time soon or at all this series.

  • kumarcoolbuddy on November 26, 2012, 14:21 GMT

    How could Indian spinners and pacers outplayed ENG team completely in first test on bowler unfriendly pitch and all ofa sudden how could 3 Indian spinners fail at the same time in 2nd test on turners while Monty was 100% successful? Cricket is always funny to watch. I agree Monty played up to the pitch expected but it was Indian team who failed ridiculously and that was the main difference. I think India was over-confident by looking at ENG's spin inability. Isn't it funny that both Indian bowlers and batsmen failed at the same time? Finally I would say it is Monty's life time performance but how come MoM was not given to Monty then?

  • jmcilhinney on November 26, 2012, 14:18 GMT

    @crindex on (November 26 2012, 13:32 PM GMT), um, England won the cricket match. If you're trying to let India off easy then you're doing a very poor job. If India have so little confidence in themselves that they give up when they're less than a hundred behind on the first innings when bowling last on a turning track then there was no mental battle for England to win. India were outplayed. That's what happened. They're quite capable of coming back but what they need to do is play better.

  • sukku88 on November 26, 2012, 14:16 GMT

    One of the worst, if not 'THE' worst batting performance against a spin attack in home turf by India.. Hoped for a better fight atleast.. Anyways good job Monty...!!

  • jb633 on November 26, 2012, 14:12 GMT

    From an Indian point of view it really is too much of a gamble to have raging turners like this one. I think that India must have seen the debacle of the UAE and thought they simply need to turn up and the game is won. The differences between this tour and the UAE are vast. Primarily India have no Ajmal or Rehman's who are truly classy spinners. Also if you watched the tour of the UAE it was actually the lack of bounce not the turn that undid most of our guys. When the ball bounces then our players can generally adjust to the turn. A huge one though is no DRS. If DRS was in place Cook would have gone before both his 100's and KP would not be so confident about lunging at the ball as DRS may still have shown the ball to be hitting. England still have selection issues as Trott, Broad, Patel, Bairstow have yet to show they have what it takes to succeed in test match tours of the SC. Personally I would keep JB, and swap Finn for Broad and Bell for Patel, keeping JB in the side.

  • Cricthink on November 26, 2012, 14:07 GMT

    Job well done England. Series wide open. Dhoni has to play the way he plays ODI's and T20's, stay calm and positive. SRT - one of the greatest ! however, time to go! Why? OR Whyn not? Do not let people ask this. As all greats did , time your exir wellk Sachin. Sad to see this happen to you. Gambir ! needs to be dropped and let him earn his place. What is Zack doing ? is he the 12th man in the field. The time is now to make the changes. England can still be exposed ! as they too are strugling, it's just that KP and Alister clicked and did click well. England too have their head aches, one match does not make a summer. This is a fresh start for both the teams Lets enjoy the game

  • jb633 on November 26, 2012, 14:03 GMT

    @the fake Front-Foot_Lunge- hmm looks like you must be happy then that despite our "socialist" ways we managed to win at the "fortress" and that miracles do happen. Wait I think I remember you saying somewhere that a 4-0 scoreline was guarnteed even though you are "English". And look suprise suprise we have won and you are nowhere to be seen. This really is a kick in the face for the numerous obnoxious supporters who can find nothing positve to say but spent the whole of 2012 trolling English forums and unleashing tirades of abuse and harping on about how 4-0 was an absoulte dead cert. People please learn to be humble in victory and defeat and use constructive criticism. I thought England played really well here and the Cook/KP partnership was the game changer. I think India need to go in with 2 seamers as 3 spinners is way too much and every attack needs variety. If Yadav is fit he must play in the 3rd test.

  • on November 26, 2012, 13:56 GMT

    Indians are deserved losers. It was a divided house all the way through. Forget Sachin not making runs yet again when it mattered -- I am sure he will stack them up against Bangaldesh -- or spinners failing. It was shocking to see Gautam Gambhir put on a most blatant show of selfishness in the second innings. At a time when a couple of partnerships of 30-40 runs could have made all the difference, he opted to expose tailenders Zaheer Khan and Pragyan Ojha to the bowlers. All this so that he could remain not out and boost up his career average. Person, not nation was paramount for him. Same for Dhoni who snubbed the selectors and Harbhajan both by underbowling the most experienced of spinners. Bhajjie got less than half the voers of Ojha and Ashwin. No way to treat a man with 98 Tests. Again, personal ego was more important than team.

  • on November 26, 2012, 13:53 GMT

    A friend who saw my post calling for dropping Sachin asked, "Where are the batsmen who can replace guys like Sachin & Sehwag?". There are quite a few. Many have mentioned Rahane & Tiwari. You can not just write off Raina and Rohit Sharma, yet. Sehwag's own Delhi Ranji team have two: Shikhar Dhawan & Unmukt Chand. There are quite a few in the India under 19 team too. Four names come to mind instantly in four different categories. Vihari (batsman), Sandeep Sharma (bowler), Aparajit (allrounder), Smit Patel(WK-batsman). There are more. One may argue that they are no patch to Sachin & Sehwag. But how can they grow into anywhere near that stature, unless given a chance?

  • premclement on November 26, 2012, 13:41 GMT

    Well I am not surprised that India lost here. If you look at the stats when Eng or Aus toured India last time, India has always played poorly in Mumbai. In fact, England defeated India in Mumbai in 2006. So India played poorly in this test match. Hopefully, India will bounce back strongly in Kolkata.

  • 360review on November 26, 2012, 13:39 GMT

    As predicted, England needed KP to win a test. This is one decision that ECB got it right. Without KP, they would have surely lost or drawn the game (not taking anything away from Panesar). The biggest difference between 1st and 2nd test were KP and Panesar. Hopefully, they can replicate that in the remaining test. Hopefully, India gets flat tracks to hide their bowling and batting incompetences.

  • smjr on November 26, 2012, 13:37 GMT

    I am Pak fan and has to say that India suffered what other teams suffered when its key players are either retired. Kumble, Dravid, Laxman all are retired and players like Zaheer, Harbajjan, Tendulkar are at the end of their distinguished test carriers. Indian team is under transition phase now. So one test match loss is not a havoc. Teams do lost test match but that is not the end of the world. Criticizing india team is not logical. India is a good team and is still in the top four in my opinion. The difference maker is Monty Panesar who bowled with lot of variety and control. I still remember Monty troubling Pak batsman in 2nd test in UAE this year, but fortunately for Pakistan England could not chase down 134 in the fourth inning and bowled out for 74. Eng also fought hard in 3rd test and narrowly losing it. The Bombay wicket remind me of Dubai and Abu Dhabi where ball skid and also turn. The last two tests at Calcutta and Nagpur will be interesting and both teams has equal chance.

  • Surya_RX100 on November 26, 2012, 13:33 GMT

    Dravid, Laxman - you both are terribly missed. Dravid in the first innings and Laxman in the third innings. Wish Sachin would be back to his best at Eden Gardens....

  • crindex on November 26, 2012, 13:32 GMT

    India missed the trick - England never had a chance of winning this match from the start. Even after their second innings the lead was only 82 an easily surpassable target on any other day for India. They missed the trick by losing their faith in winning after England surpassed their 1st innings total 327. This was nothing but a test of character and mental strength and nothing else. England won the mind game.

  • liz1558 on November 26, 2012, 13:31 GMT

    England's fast bowlers were outbowled by SA fast bowlers in English conditions last summer, and SA won comfortably. Relying on home advantage and banking on the opponent's traditional weaknesses smacks of complacency. India beat England in England in 1986 and 2007 for the same reason: their bowlers were better in English conditions than the English bowlers. It doesn't happen often - Warne did bugger all in India - but when it does, it's a sweety.

  • Lakpj on November 26, 2012, 13:30 GMT

    Time has come for Sachin, he is a great player but I don't think he can survive in international cricket for much longer. Can't remember him scoring a significant test knock in 2012. Selectors will never drop him, it is upto him to take a decision. both Dravid and VVS took timely decisions, hope sachin does the same. Great comeback from England, India's decision of playing on a rank turner with 3 spinners back fired. You can't expect international teams to fail against spin all the time. India should know that.

  • sensible-indian-fan on November 26, 2012, 13:25 GMT

    This is the BEST THING that has happened to the Indian cricket. Well played England (Cook, KP and Monty in particular) but more importantly - THANKS for showing us how pathetic we are. Here are a few points that is absolutely clear - 1. Sachin has to go. This probably the 18623928649236498th time I am saying it. 2. The openers, Sehwag and Gambhir (who played extremely well last innings) perform only once in 20 innings. Sadly, they perform when its time to drop them. We need new openers. Doesn't matter if they fail. We need to show that performance matters. 3. Ashwin and Ojha are NOT garbage. I still believe one hell of a pair. Ashwin needs to rectify his rubbish line because there is no point i bowling 1 beauty and then giving 2 fours. 4. Yuvraj and Raina are JUST not test material. We all intuitively know it. Manoj and Badri are to be tried. 5. We need to have another wicket keeper batmen in the squad (Dinesh Karthik or Saha).

  • ramli on November 26, 2012, 13:23 GMT

    Having 3 spinners in the starting line-up is bad strategy ... simply because you will be under-bowling at least one of them ... spinners require long spells for control and wickets ... 2 pacer, 2 spinner is the ideal combination ... you will not be under-bowling anyone since pace bowlers can't bowl long spells ... next test ... if MSD makes the same mistake ... he may not be there in the test team against Aussies ... let alone being the captain ... select Ashwin (at least he bats) and Ohja ... and leave the result to GOD ... 3 cheers

  • bigwonder on November 26, 2012, 13:22 GMT

    Great spinning display from England. Hats off to Panesar. England batsman may not be great players of spin but they have a good spinner to challenge complacent opposition. Dhoni now needs to walk the talk. He cannot ask for turning pitches day one and not deliver. He is the only test captain (between 6 teams currently playing test) who is not leading by example. Stop blaming pitches for your shortcomings. Gambhir and Tendulkar must be rested for the next two tests as they need to prepare for IPL.

  • hhillbumper on November 26, 2012, 13:21 GMT

    this is a good result but does anyone else think England should have bought James Taylor out as he plays spin really well and would be an improvement on Trott?

  • 2.14istherunrate on November 26, 2012, 13:18 GMT

    That was a totally brilliant victory to rank right up there with the best. It was good to see Compton attacking the bowling to reach the target. really the game had been won on Sunday and this was just mopping up. Swann's ball to Bhajee was something special. 1-1 and in the box seat now.

  • on November 26, 2012, 13:15 GMT

    Virat Kohli and M S Dhoni want Pitches Which turn from day one they got and suffer heavily form own tactics. Turning Tracks good but at least try to take game to 5th day.England Played attacking cricket and got reward and Indians are two minded which got them in trouble. Hope They learn from Mistake Still Indian are favorites for series. Good to see Competitive Cricket. Hope rest of the Series Interesting.

  • moBlue on November 26, 2012, 13:13 GMT

    what is the big deal, ENG? your team is *established*! in fact, weren't you world #1, or something, recently?!? yet, they lost at ahmedabad badly and now they won handily - as a good established team is supposed to! but don't think that some of us didn't notice the chinks in a "world #1" team's armor even while beating a team (IND) in transition! only cook and pietersen have so far been able to bat for ENG!!! compton has a whiff of a chance, but no one else so far, really. also, your 2 spinners are amazing, all right, but what is up with your pace bowlers? they were outbowled by zaheer and yadav in the last test, so it can't be the pitch! you best hope that finn rides to your rescue! :) now that being said, IND is ***clearly*** a team in transition, all you IND haters! didn't you notice dravid, lax, ganguly & kumble are not in? :) And ain't nothing wrong with dhoni asking for a turner, either! every other country does it when it comes to doling out tracks that favor the home bowlers!!!

  • TheFloater on November 26, 2012, 13:08 GMT

    Thanks for the famed Indian Lineup we lost... Had we scored sme 100-120 odd runs we cud hav hoped fr a fite or better evn a win... The pitch was a typical Mumbai wicket remember the 2004 match vs. Australia.. Congrats to KP fr a gem of a knock.... But hold on the Tigers den is awaiting u...!!

  • itsthewayuplay on November 26, 2012, 13:06 GMT

    Makes no difference in which country India is playing, England can still score more runs with 10 wickets what the India with 20. What more evidence do the selectors need to make the necessary changes? New players have to be given the chance and if we lose then it's better to lose with them. Players such as Sehwag Gambhir Yuvraj and Harbajan have never understood the value of playing for their country. They've been rewarded without having to put the effort in. Is there any point in Sachin carrying on - 8 straight away defeats and no game changing contribution in the last two home series and 2 tests of this one so far. We've gone way beyond the 'Why did you retire then?' stage and are now deep in 'Why didn't you retire earlier' territory. In any other circumstances I would say that it's up to him when he retires but cannot see Dhoni or the BCCI dropping him.

  • CricketingStargazer on November 26, 2012, 13:06 GMT

    And the prize for the predictable cliche of the week goes to @ Richard Bloomfield! If England need to be reminded that there are two more Tests to go then the situation is already desperate. There are certainly two places up for grabs in the XI for the 3rd Test: Bell or Bairstow at 5 and Broad/Bresnan/Finn/Meaker as new ball bowler. In this Test we were lucky that we could manage with just one new ball bowler; we may not have that fortune in Kolkata. I would be loathe to play Stave Finn for an obviously not match fit Stuart Broad unless he plays the 3 day match for the performance squad and bowls his heart out, but both Bresnan (who was bowling hard on the practice pitch this morning) and the debutant, Meaker, entail risks too. Interesting poser.

  • moBlue on November 26, 2012, 13:03 GMT

    (23,91), (7,76), (38,DNB), (94,3), (73,32), (41,80) - sachin's last 6 (successive) test scores until 1/2012... i think most of us can see that that string of scores would keep any IND #4 in the team. period. the next 6 tests are the only ones where sachin has failed - 2 each against oz in oz, NZ at home, and now ENG at home. 6 tests, people! 6 tests. And we are talking about sachin tendulkar!!! you want sachin fired after 6 tests?!? *that* alone makes you batCrapCrazy in my book!

    but then let's get to the part where y'all get really really bright!!! :) who are you going to replace sachin with?!? ...because he had better be good enough to match those numbers above that sachin put up in the first 6 tests if he were to be a worthy replacement!!! who do you got?!? rohit? no temperament! raina? can't play bouncers! tiwari? should replace yuvraj! rayudu? inconsistent! rahane? he should be opening already! badri? maybe. yes, maybe badri. but sachin deserves 10 tests! if he plays, he stays!!

  • Harmony111 on November 26, 2012, 13:02 GMT

    Most would agree that from an Indian PoV, the test was lost due to two reasons: The Indian spinners bowled poorly and the Indian batsmen batted shockingly in the 3rd innings. The 1st innings score was not all that bad and while no one expected a lead of 100 runs for India, most of us thought Eng's total would be around the same at most. The Cook-KP partnership was awesome and when it was time for India to replicate it in the 3rd innings they all failed. It would be easy to simply blame Sachin for this loss cos he failed in both the innings and being the oldest seems to be apt for such criticism but hey, our best batsman of the last 18 months Kohli too failed twice, didn't he? Yuvraj too scored nothing. So to blame Sachin just cos he is 39 would not solve the problem as a 23 and a 31 year old both failed. There are inner reasons. India needed a Faf today but there was none. Bhajji etc should look at Siddle and how he gave everything. ZERO tenaciousness. Well played Eng. <sigh>

  • reality_check27 on November 26, 2012, 13:01 GMT

    well played england you deserve to win and as an indian i am asking all the indians why blame anybody else its should be us i never watch a t20 match always just test cricket as i am from mumbai i was at the match and watched india lose and it is in our country where t20 is given more importance test cricket is the best cricket and bcci knows that they dont need to worry because even after this loss everyone will appear for t20 sold out and they will make money we might win t20 and everyone will forget this loss so urge u all not too tune in for t20 match dont watch it on tv or at the stadium hit them where it hurts them the most their pockets and you will see the change and as far as dhoni is a very negative captain needs to be fired asap as he was asking bowlers to bowl to his field and even if a tail ender hits a boundry he starts pushing everyone back u should blame him the most and others who have not performed as well

  • voma on November 26, 2012, 13:00 GMT

    Great to see England win in true style , on a turning Indian wicket ! . Makes you wonder what would of happened in the 1st test , if Monty Panasar had been picked . Monty and Graham Swann were unbelievable in this test , i thought Indian batsmen were supposed to be good players of spin bowling ?

  • vipravara on November 26, 2012, 12:58 GMT

    CONGRATULATIONS England, especially to Cook (both as captain and batsman), KP and Monty in particular. Sterling performance with compelling intensity and determination from these was the key behind this win. Coming to Indian team and Dhoni in specific, this defeat is more than a humiliation and everyone knows why. I think Dhoni may step out (not just step down as test captain) of test cricket after this series. He already took Indian test cricket to new and humiliating lows. Sad but true: SRT is being paid obviously for his reputation but NOT for his performances anymore.

  • on November 26, 2012, 12:55 GMT

    Ha, one loss and comes out the sword. After all this is a very young team, without their two most reliable batsmen, VVS and RD. But bit disappointed with Shewag, Gambhir and Tendulkar. But for all his 65 runs, Gambhir cant be forgiven. This loss is as much for bad batting, as for poor fielding and good batting from cook and KP. But that said, every day is not a Sunday and third test will start on even stevens... no favorites...

  • anshu.s on November 26, 2012, 12:49 GMT

    As an Indian i want to congrutulate England for there magnificient victory, chuffed to see the gracious attitude of Indian fans and there generos applause of English victory. English fans have been humble and shown genuine concern for health of Indian test cricket.However some indian fans like @Biplob Bhattacharjee and some of our loving neighours :P have for no reason dragged IPL in to it, as far i am concerned IPL is played for 50 days and didn't it finish in may ?? after the advent of IPL in 2008 didn't we become no.1 in tests and won WC in 2011, u-19 WC in 2012. All pre- occupation with IPL didn't stop KP from performing, neither it stopped Australians and South Africans.Look at Football playing for Barca and Madrid for nine gruelling months dosen't stop Spanish team from winning World Cup and Euros twice. India real problem is a captain whose heart is not in this format, a legend whose time is ending, a cancer survivor hero not suited to this format, openers who are in funk.

  • imrankhan76uk on November 26, 2012, 12:49 GMT

    SRT, Yuvi, Viru, Gauti, and ZAK must play next two matches as they are the best of the best :)). and England MUST drop Cook, KP, Monty and Swan to make it an even contest... boooooo why England brought better players boooooooooo

  • matchfixerpkn on November 26, 2012, 12:49 GMT

    AusieBangaleeShameem..banlga lsot 2 in raw to w indies..india lsot after winning one mathc against no. 2 team in world... yoiu peacelovers have only one in mind ..hatred on others ..nothing more..so hate others as much as possible ..

  • on November 26, 2012, 12:47 GMT

    Stand back the Sweeney, welcome the new SWOT team in english cricket "The Swonty". Seriously though folks, there are too many extreme views on the state of the Indian team after winning (comprehensively) in Ahmedabad and this first (comprehensive) defeat by England in Mumbai. Like any hardcore England supporter, I am absolutely stoked at the various performances by England over the last few days, but no need for undue doom and gloom about the state of test cricket in India. Yes, there are some hard selection choices to get right for the next matches, just as there are for England, but this is still a very equal contest and some very bright prospects for future of Indian test cricket. Come back hard in the next two and make this a good contest!

  • reality_check27 on November 26, 2012, 12:45 GMT

    well played england you deserve to win and as an indian i am asking all the indians why blame anybody else its should be us i never watch a t20 match always just test cricket as i am from mumbai i was at the match and watched india lose and it is in our country where t20 is given more importance test cricket is the best cricket and bcci knows that they dont need to worry because even after this loss everyone will appear for t20 sold out and they will make money we might win t20 and everyone will forget this loss so urge u all not too tune in for t20 match dont watch it on tv or at the stadium hit them where it hurts them the most their pockets and you will see the change and as far as dhoni is a very negative captain needs to be fired asap as he was asking bowlers to bowl to his field and even if a tail ender hits a boundry he starts pushing everyone back u should blame him the most and others who have not performed as well

  • itsthewayuplay on November 26, 2012, 12:45 GMT

    Yesterday Gambhir talked about setting 150 with the last 3 wickets to give the bowlers something to defend. Could score 150 with all 10 wickets - hahaha. He talks as bad a game as he plays.

  • Pushan001 on November 26, 2012, 12:45 GMT

    india require 3 changes immediately: MS DHONI, SR TENDULKAR AND ZAHEER KHAN

  • sensible-indian-fan on November 26, 2012, 12:44 GMT

    This is the BEST THING that has happened to the Indian cricket. Well played England but more importantly - THANKS for showing us how pathetic we are. Here are a few points that is absolutely clear - 1. Sachin has to go. This probably the 18623928649236498th time I am saying it. Its insulting when your own fans starting talking about ways to KICK you out. 2. The openers, Sehwag and Gambhir (who played extremely well last innings) perform only once in 20 innings. Sadly, they perform when its time to drop them. We need new openers. Doesn't matter if they fail. We need to show that performance matters. 3. Ashwin and Ojha are NOT garbage. I still believe one hell of a pair. Ashwin needs to rectify his rubbish line because there is no point i bowling 2 beauties and then giving 2 fours. 4. Yuvraj and Raina are JUST not test material. We all intuitively know it. Manoj and Badri are to be tried. 5. We need to have another wicket keeper batmen in the squad (Dinesh Karthik).

  • reality_check27 on November 26, 2012, 12:43 GMT

    well played england you deserve to win and as an indian i am asking all the indians why blame anybody else its should be us i never watch a t20 match always just test cricket as i am from mumbai i was at the match and watched india lose and it is in our country where t20 is given more importance test cricket is the best cricket and bcci knows that they dont need to worry because even after this loss everyone will appear for t20 sold out and they will make money we might win t20 and everyone will forget this loss so urge u all not too tune in for t20 match dont watch it on tv or at the stadium hit them where it hurts them the most their pockets and you will see the change and as far as dhoni is a very negative captain needs to be fired asap as he was asking bowlers to bowl to his field and even if a tail ender hits a boundry he starts pushing everyone back u should blame him the most and others who have not performed as well

  • Neeta on November 26, 2012, 12:42 GMT

    @Ravi Kiran: The guy you want out of the side is the one that saved India from a horrible and even more humiliating innings defeat. True, he has not been in form but he showed a lot of character in the tough situation where others were not even to survive even 20 balls. Still hard decisions need to be taken. Sachin for all his legendary contributions and still my most favorite player has to take the retirement from the game or work even harder on his shortcomings. The rest he takes in between not playing ODI's is hampering his rhythm I believe. He needs to attack the bowlers few shots off the meat and who knows it may start another golden period for him over a couple of years. Dhoni needs to go out of the side and be replaced by anyone of DK, Patel or Saha. He is the best limited overs batsmen and same goes for Yuvi. Even Bevan was in the same category as Dhoni. Side for 3rd test: Viru Gauti(C) Pujara SRT Kohli Tiwary Saha Ashwin Ojha Zaheer Yadav or Ishant. This is the best we have.

  • itsthewayuplay on November 26, 2012, 12:42 GMT

    Very well played England. Top class spin bowling who gave the Indians a lesson on how to bowl on this track. Fantastic innings from KP and Cook.

  • 158notout on November 26, 2012, 12:35 GMT

    Brilliant display from England, just what we needed. Would like to say though that although it is great to be all square it is not time to get carried away. We can thinka bout winning this series but it would also be very easy to lose it. message for Indian fans - dont feel too downhearted, there are still two tests left and India doled out a similar thrashing to England last week so you are capable of getting back into it. The series is very well set up!

  • Razag on November 26, 2012, 12:34 GMT

    Hahaha now i think india can stop complaining abt pace tracks coz they suck At home too and their bowling is the weakest on earth forget abt pace attack I think they shoud call ajmal maybe he can coach ashwin hahahah sorry no offence.

  • on November 26, 2012, 12:29 GMT

    @colc: You are so right. Not only Tendulkar is a shadow of his old self, his very presence in the team is demoralising to the rest. India can't continue to live in the past. Move forward with youngsters; so many are waiting in the wings. One, who is travelling with the team, Rahane, is almost as good as Pujara. Many more are not i the selected team. Keenly watching what the selectors are going to do (since their original choice was only for the first two tests)

  • Naresh28 on November 26, 2012, 12:25 GMT

    @cptmeanster - agree with you totally. Youth injection required. Old players becoming listless. @gerradl - Why do you think India is 3rd grade? We have tons of untapped talent waiting to get into the team.

  • on November 26, 2012, 12:24 GMT

    Well done England. Virat Kholi might be a fantastic young player, but isn't too good at predicting the outcome of a test series. But England proved that they genuinely can play on the subcontinent. KP was phenominal, Cook is pure class and Swann, Anderson and Monty were excellent. Of England's batting, actually only Trott does not have an excuse to be this shocking. Patel, Bairstow and Compton are relatively new and the latter two have not played in the subcontinent for England before. Prior has been awesome as well. Broad is a slight issue but then he's not to be relied upon in these conditions. If he nips in with one, then excellent, but our spinners ought to be getting most of the wickets. As for India, I like Kholi and Pujara but they cannot do it on their own. Sehwag, Gambhir, Sachin, Dhoni they've all got to get a grip. And Yuvraj, why is he even there? if its just to upset KP thats a tad lame. I don't know what Indian supporters think but what about Rohit Sharma perhaps?

  • on November 26, 2012, 12:23 GMT

    Not only that England batted and bowled far better than India, even as a team they are far better. India as a team could not adapt to the English conditions, even towards the fag end of the tour. In contrast, England adapted to the Indian conditions so well and so fast, that they could beat the hosts in their own game so convincingly. Congrats England.

  • heathrf1974 on November 26, 2012, 12:19 GMT

    Good to see a bloke as nice as Monty getting some wickets. The amount of drift he was getting for an orthodox spinner was remarkable. That's what did the damage. Maybe he has come of age. A very character building win for England. I thought they would not be able to win a match is India, but they have proven me a wrong. A great series.

  • theman0493 on November 26, 2012, 12:13 GMT

    1) Sachin should have a good look at himself and should retire immediately before his career completely fizzles out. 2) India is the most overrated team in test cricket. Losing at home in favorable conditions is pathetic. 3) Dhoni is not a test captain/player at all. He should just become a T20 mercenary. 4) India need to breed genuine fast bowlers, not average spinners who think they are world class. 5) Cook is truly world class. His stats away from home are very decent indeed, unlike the stats of the indian batsmen away from home. 6) England's spinners are far better than India's 7) KP , need i say more?

  • on November 26, 2012, 12:09 GMT

    As an England supporter I'm very happy with this performance but lets not get carried away, one victory does not a series make. As the Indian team discovered in the second innings, when you are relient on a single batsmans to score the majority of your runs (Pujara) when that player fails, which they will sooner or later you're in trouble. As long as England are relient on Cook to carry his bat we're vunerable. KP has shown he CAN bat in these conditions but we need him to do it consitantly. As for the rest of our batting the likes of Trott need to sort themselves out sharpish.

    As for the Indian suppoters talking about the ethnic diversity of the England team. News flash England is a diverse country with various Ethnic backgrounds. So get off your Racist soap box stop making excuses, and man up and admit your team failed, on the pitch YOU asked for, without DRS because YOU didn't want it!

  • imrankhan76uk on November 26, 2012, 12:03 GMT

    @Premith Prabhakar.... Can't stop laughing at your comments about pakistani batting. They are never self claimed legends and they perform as per their abilities and still better showing than Indian "Legends" against the same opposition in UAE and in England

  • on November 26, 2012, 11:53 GMT

    beating India by 10 wickets in India is not an easy job.... Well Done England ... Hats off to All England team.... cheers from Pakistan

  • Anil_Koshy on November 26, 2012, 11:50 GMT

    India will think twice before preparing turning wicket, English have got two spinners who are better than Ashwin and Harbhajan, we should rest Tendulkar and Zahir and bring some good youngsters

  • on November 26, 2012, 11:50 GMT

    hahahaaha where are Indian fans now who were saying Pakistan beat England because of favorable conditions in UAE.. beating England with the margin of 3-0 is not an easy task my Indian friends... Pakistan outclassed Englans in UAE thats why we win 3-0....

    Well Done England u learned from the mistakes in UAE and u came to India after a lot of Home work

  • Sulaimaan91 on November 26, 2012, 11:49 GMT

    Must give credit to this English side, after the horrors in Dubai vs Pakistan it has been a great comeback.They first drew the series against SL and then have beaten India in India and that too on a pitch turning square from day one.True sign of a great team.They will have a problem on who to drop,Swann or Monty, when they play in less favourable conditions. This match, with the conditions it was played on, either suggests the English sides greatness or how much Indian cricket has gone down.

  • on November 26, 2012, 11:48 GMT

    as far as i am concerned now this is the time for india to cut the crap they lost to England 4-0 and at home with the spinners they lost again.pakistan beat the same team 3-0 but swan was right india do not have saeed ajmal and india bated poorly really the England spinners bowled very well you must give credit to them but they did not bowled unplayable deliveries and this is the time Tendulkar should Go .......i mean having a wonderful past that Tendulkar has now he is just spoiling every thing...and where is kohli now???india will lost again and again until they selectors select everybody on the performance not giving harbajan the chance to play his 100 test match lol...............and sehwag too

  • memoriesofthepast on November 26, 2012, 11:47 GMT

    England really have a good chance of winning this test series in India and should give all their best in the next 2 tests. Yuvraj and Virat are unsuitable for batting in test match. In 2008 around that Mumbai terrorists attacks of 26 November, England agreed to play test series in India and it fits well that they are winners of Mumbai test.

  • ste13 on November 26, 2012, 11:47 GMT

    India has lost, but this will only give more arguments to the administrators that India should pull out of test cricket. Why to bother if they have IPL, which brings much more money. And India does not need to win as this is just a show / entertainment. I really believe T20 administration should be separated from test cricket. Let T20 world enjoy themselves and for test cricket pls select the people who enjoy this form of the game. Indian board is now clearly ignoring well performning domestic players, but is selecting marketing stars, which do not safeguard skills required for test cricket.

  • Boston_Legal on November 26, 2012, 11:43 GMT

    Sadly no whitewash :-( Only if Monty was there for the first test, whitewash would have been a distinct possibility.

  • Boston_Legal on November 26, 2012, 11:33 GMT

    Well done guys. Monty saved the day, but do not lose the focus on the fact that Broad did absolutely nothing this week. So when selecting the squad for Kolkata, keep him as far away as you can from the XI. Give Finn and/or Onions a look in, Do not get rid of Monty (again!), and let Bell play in place of Trott.

    As for India, there are some weak links in the middle order (viz. Sachin and Yuvraj), and bowling looks very fragile. Singh's selection was questionable (even for Essex sometimes it was a no brainer to drop him), Ashwin needs to find his stock ball, and they need two regular frontline seamers, and a couple of back ups. Not sure if they think Sharma and Pathan are good enough.

  • nahan on November 26, 2012, 11:32 GMT

    It's unfair to blame Sachin. He is neither blocking road for youngster nor occupying the crease. He is just playing for three to four over in every matches because if extreme passion and paving way to youngsters.

  • challagalla on November 26, 2012, 11:32 GMT

    Its the selectors job to pick the best team for India. Its certainly time they had a talk with ST and tell him this is his last series. Dravid and VVS retired gracefully . Maybe we are struggling a bit to find a replacement for VVS but Pujara seems to be perfect fit. Its sad if Rahane and Tiwari languish in the dressing rooms . Play them now on our pitches, against a quality opposition like England and test their temperament, mettle and hunger to succeed. We may lose the next 2 tests but that is a small price to pay. At some point in future the selectors have to come to terms with this problem and the time to do it is now. Even Sharma can be experimented with. He has the talent, had innumerable chances, yet for some unexplainable reason failed. I was gutted when we lost. I was dreaming of a 4-0 whitewash . Blood these youngsters now and seperate the men from the boys.

  • madnayar on November 26, 2012, 11:30 GMT

    As a diehard test cricket fan I feel sorry to see the state of Indian test cricket. Indian team and BCCI fell into the spin-trap they made for visiting Eng. team.We bask in glory when India wins a match and lament when a match is lost. Indian test cricket team cannot consistently win matches so long as they carry over-the- hill players like Bhaaji , Sachin , and Zaheer.( accepted that they have done well for the country in the past and all praise to them for that ). It is high time that we stop overrating bowlers like R Ashwin who is no match for a Murali or Warne who could take wickets on any cricket pitch. He had proved that he is just an onlooker on wickets abroad.Now he he is not succeeding on home made turners also. Indian batsmen have shown that they inept not only against fast rising deliveries but also against spinning balls. BCCI should tell the players that they will be out if they dont perform and cant be in the team on the strength of oast performances.

  • arup_g on November 26, 2012, 11:30 GMT

    Beaten at their own game...that should be the headlines!! India were thoroughly outclassed by England's spinners (not often you hear that!) and a masterclass of batting on turning wickets by Cook and Pieterson. To be honest, India were flat all round and if it wasn't for Ojha, I think the game could have been over in 3 days!

    It's clear that India can no longer expect to dominate bowlers even on home conditions, and that the selectors need to re-think their strategy for the next 2 tests and series vs Australia. I think Sachin should now be smart about himself and decide to retire at the end of the series. Being outsmarted by England's spinners is the last embarrasment anyone needs, but for a man of his class and stature - it shows that time is no longer on his side.

    Harbhajan reminded us why he was dropped in the first place. I refuse to believe that he is the 3rd best spinner in India! What happened to Rahul Sharma? He would have done much better on bouncy turning wickets!

  • vish57 on November 26, 2012, 11:28 GMT

    Let us accept India was out played; Indian bastmen failed to deliver, over years I find players play one big innings in a series and hold their position for ever which is the case with Indian openers, Yuvraj. Ashwin need to introspect his wicket taking ability, either opposition started reading his bowling or he lacks ability to break bastmen's defence. Ashwin looks a better batsman in test cricket than Dhoni in the current form. Zaheer can be rested for all tetst matches played in India, instead we can groom youngsters as no indian fast bowler bowls more than 20 overs in any innings. We need a righ arm leg spinner either Amit Mishra or Peeyush Chawla or any genuine wicket taking bowler to replace Harbhajan. Ifran Pathan looks a better option instead of No. 6 batsman. In Indian conditions Ifran + Ashwin = 1 regular batsman. No Indian associated with cricket from past cricketers to commentators, even media will not comment negative on Tendulkar, he is matured enough to leave on high.

  • Herbet on November 26, 2012, 11:26 GMT

    I'm not sure dropping Tendulkar in the middle of a test series is the best idea, but he should bow out at the end of this one. I would certainly replace Yuvraj though, who is not and never has been a test match batsmen, especially when he isn't bowling. I'd bring Rahane in for Yuvraj now, & possibly Badrinath for Tendulkar at the end of the series. I would also consider dropping Zaheer for someone with a bit of pace, i.e Yadav, just to shake up England's batsmen when they have got used to the pace of spin. India might want to consider dropping Dhoni after the series too, if they have a better wicket keeper in the wings.

  • WickyRoy.paklover on November 26, 2012, 11:24 GMT

    A humble request to world's richest cricket board:PLZ LOOK TO PREPARE FLAT TRACKs 4RM NOW ON AS UR TEAM Z NOT GD ENUF TO PLAY ON Seaming,fast,spining tracks..I M MORE SURPRISED AT ENG LOSING Ist test Rathr than wining dis one.lolz.BTW WHERE Z THAT ASHWIN'S MYSTRY BALL? Well ashwin iz at most club level nothng more than that.

  • Thyagu5432 on November 26, 2012, 11:24 GMT

    Very disappointed with India's performance. There is absolutely no fire in the belly. After what England gave them in England, shouldn't they have come with all their cylinders firing? Really, pathetic performance. Needs a complete makeover of this team. Sachin should be dropped if he doesn't retire. Even during his hay days there were questions raised about his ability to win matches for us. Now, he is not even scoring leave alone win matches. If Monty can do so much damage, our spinners should have done double that damage. Ashwin has already given room for being dropped unless he does something out of the world. Instead of Bajji, we may be better off with a leg spinner. Dhoni will be completely confused on what kind of pitch to ask for now.

  • Mervo on November 26, 2012, 11:20 GMT

    IndiaRulesEverybody: What planet are you living on? India were outplayed at their own game. Face that and also recognise that they are getting thrashed overseas. Time to make proper wickets for the whole game in India so the players can develop into rounded cricketers, not slow wicket rumblers.

  • UglyIndian on November 26, 2012, 11:19 GMT

    Awesome! Looks like its the 'angrez' that have 'bajao-ed' India's 'pungi'. Disgustingly tastless and classles advertising, a captain that shamelessly asks for doctored pitches, a board that jingoistically blocks DRS, and a bunch of supporters who have been as unsporting and one-eyed as any country has ever had. And yet, and yet...English players especially Cook, Swann and Panesar showed something that very, very few people, let alone cricketers in India have - CHARACTER. Yes, I might be Indian, but I thoroughly enjoyed this against the odds victory of England. As far as Indian cricket is concerned...it's an apt representation of this country - too much hype, very little substance, and absolutely no character.

  • hnlns on November 26, 2012, 11:18 GMT

    MS Dhoni before this test wanted pitches that turn and bounce from day 1 and let the match finish in 3-1/2 days. He has received a real thumping from England and this must be like the most painful slap on his face because England have finished the match in 3-1/4 days, earlier than he wanted. Dhoni must be sent to Ian Chappell for captaincy coaching where I think the first lesson will be that it is not in captain's job description to publicly dictate curators what to do and to just let them do their job professionally. He must be more worried about his lack of faith in fast bowlers doing their job and the inability of spinners and batsmen to do their job. He must remember that cricket is a team game and all 11 men playing ought to contribute to a team's success, not just 2 or 3 spinners on a real minefield. After this goof up, who will listen to his request for rank turners? Now Cook might fancy asking for more such rank turners, looking at this pathetic performance of Indians.

  • kc69 on November 26, 2012, 11:14 GMT

    I guess this match is enough for subcontinental anti-India fans to attack everything about Indian cricket.

  • on November 26, 2012, 11:13 GMT

    We all have our reasons for seeking Sachin's exit.Mine is because he wont let India use DRS. He truly is an old man with his head in the sand. And the comments here show he is losing all the goodwill he built over last 23 years.A real tragedy.

  • on November 26, 2012, 11:13 GMT

    It was a really funny comment which came from Dhoni when he said 'It happens when two best teams are competing against each other'. Why doesn't the indian team wake up. When bhajji gets a recall does it mean that India with a 1 billion population can't produce a bowler who knows to spin.

  • FreddyForPrimeMinister on November 26, 2012, 11:12 GMT

    In return for the Indian fans' humility on here, can I offer an equally balanced view. India should not panic: their batsmen and bowlers are quite capable of winning this series 3-1, even on turning tracks such as this one. Yes, this was on paper a thrashing; however that was due to the innings of just two players, Cook and KP, both of whom batted beautifully but either of whom could have been out several times when the ball span past their bats. Remember, it takes just one ball to get a batsman out and if either Cook or KP had edged the first of the balls that beat their bat, they would have been out for less than 20; as it was, they scored 308 out of 413. If Sachin hadn't got that beauty from Monty in the first innings, maybe he would have scored 180! Ojha especially, but also Ashwin, beat the bat regularly - and arguably it takes a better ball (or worse shot) to miss the edge than to take it! The only change needed for India is Yadav for Bhaji and I'd say the next game is 50/50

  • mdreddy on November 26, 2012, 11:11 GMT

    Its a time to retire Tendulkar if he can continue to play he will loss his credit in the world cricket. Dhoni also need to assess his role as a player atleast ashwin can bat better than dhoni in the test format. He is best shorter version player no doubt that,yuvaraj also need to prove early as a player in the test side, otherwise give the chance to others who can perform well.selectors also need to think for the future not temporarily. Kohli need to improve his game in the test level, Ind. failed in the all aspects of the game at the same time Eng. done everything right,well done they deserve for the victory.bajji needs to get his form back,Aswin also failed as a bowler its bad sighn for ind, I hope ind can comeback strong in the last test.

  • WickyRoy.paklover on November 26, 2012, 11:10 GMT

    A humble request to world's richest cricket board:PLZ LOOK TO PREPARE FLAT TRACKs 4RM NOW ON AS UR TEAM Z NOT GD ENUF TO PLAY ON Seaming,fast,spining tracks..I M MORE SURPRISED AT ENG LOSING Ist test Rathr than wining dis one.lolz.BTW WHERE Z THAT ASHWIN'S MYSTRY BALL? Well ashwin iz at most club level nothng more than that.

  • Hammond on November 26, 2012, 11:10 GMT

    Don't expect too many anglophobic trolls posting on here. This victory is pretty much beyond their comprehension.

  • CutHis_ArminHalf on November 26, 2012, 11:09 GMT

    Well done INDIA, you've done really well for a team who is only the 9th best in the world. You'll get there. You are improving all the time. Some more games against teams like Zimbabwe and Bangladesh should really help you learn now to win and help you improve.

    Lookng at Pakistan and Sri-Lanka should really show you the way forward. Especially Pakistan. For all their troubles they are definitely the team you little chaps should aspire to emulate.

    Good job [litle pat on the head for you]

  • open_the_bottle on November 26, 2012, 11:09 GMT

    Spot on when i saw ur comment vishav100.

    Tendulkar please leave u were so pathetic and even god doesnt know when u would leave.

    Bhajji and even Ashwin were useless to be frank and guess what, they are Indian spinners.

    We really miss Kumble so may be selectoes can ask him to make a comeback for remaining matches.

    Dhoni,Yuvraj,Sehwag,Gambhir great players in flat track but we saw what they can do in fast track and now in spinning track.

    God save Indian team and Indian cricket fans (am one among them). Really frustrated guys.

    Hope Rahane plays next match in place of big bully Sachin and please remove Dhoni he is useless in Test cricket.

    Guess someone who died last week was not happy to see Indian team winning in Mumbai. Sorry guys dont wanted to name him as i do not want to go jail scareddddddddd

  • Hindh on November 26, 2012, 11:09 GMT

    The reason for england winning is India played very badly and simply gifted the match to england and nothing else. If india played played to its potential and not relaxed after 1st test win india wud have won this. Anyway win the next test shut all the indian haters mouths......

  • on November 26, 2012, 11:08 GMT

    India will never learn from their mistake its true its all upto captain and selector to select the best test cricket team but they are selecting only the best name in cricket world like sachin/yuvi/dhoniiiii such a shame for indian cricket that now we can't say we are very good in spin pitch. monty showed the mirroe to indian team.Dhoni/sachin/yuvi should not deserve any place in Test cricket.Aswin should learn from swann and monty. They all are good only in IPL OR any IPL event thst it shame for indian cricket:(

  • on November 26, 2012, 11:08 GMT

    BCCI, you are not going to learn from your mistakes. We don't know the reason behind harbhajan and yuvraj included in the Test squad... What happened to Manoj Tiwary?? Why is Rahane not given any opportunity at all in last 4 series he was picked... you best selection was pujara I would say.. Dont our country have good and fit fast bowlers apart from zaheer, yadav and Ishant??? Why sachin is still playing??? WHAT A PITY???

  • anaken on November 26, 2012, 11:03 GMT

    well said Kavindeven, TENDULKAR SHOULD GO WITHOUT A DOUBT

  • ihaq1 on November 26, 2012, 11:03 GMT

    england needed just three bowlers in teh indian second innings...panesar is almost incredible for a tall left arm spinner...india had better go for a fast wicket at calcutta...or roll it solid...i would say teh indians might have better faster bowlers unless calcutta is as slow as ahmedabad...if there is bounce throw out tendulkar and play an upcoming youngster...open with rahane and sehwag...dhoni too looks quite dried out...i think this sort of captaincy even Pujara could manage... without teh batting of Pujara india just did not have anything else to offer...england too should call up another spinner from england and rest broad

  • PTtheAxis on November 26, 2012, 11:01 GMT

    people here are conviniently forgetting that it took england to hire an indian - panesar - to beat india in india ... they ofc had dhoni's support as well.

  • on November 26, 2012, 11:01 GMT

    At the end of first test Dhoni advised curator to doctor the pitch in such a way that it start turning on day one hour one. This was an arrogant statement suggesting two points. 1st Indian Spinners are better than English spinners and 2nd Indian batsmen play spin better than English batsmen. Well both points proved wrong. This is profeSsional cricket and these guys are not very far in ability from one another. The moment you relax or lay back you are gone and that's what has happened to India.

  • on November 26, 2012, 11:01 GMT

    Great win by England. KP played the best inninngs I have seen on a custom made spinners pitch whcih I still say is wrong. A pitch where there is no point giving a new ball to quick bowlers is not a good pitch in my book. However, the Inndians shot themselves in the foot this time and should thank the stupidity of the English selectors that they did not pick Monty in the first Test. Monty bowled very well and made a good team on the pitch with Swan. The English team still have problems with their batting in that Trott cannot buy a run and personally, Im not convinced by Compton. Broad is a waste of time, give Meaker a go. However, India had too many old hands in this side and their fielding in particular suffered because of that. When will they find the courage to drop Sachin? Khan is gone now as well. Dhoni was never a top keeper so no surprise there and his batting technique at times in Test cricket is found wanting. Singh is a spent force. I hope they keep the same side!

  • FreddyForPrimeMinister on November 26, 2012, 11:01 GMT

    It is a breath of fresh air to read so many humble comments on here from Indian fans: congratulations! Over recent years I had come to loathe the thought of the Indian team winning anything because of the one-eyed bias of their fans (the players themselves are, for the most part, real gentlemen) and the vitriol they show towards England in every cricinfo article - even when it doesn't concern India! Hopefully we can now enjoy balanced views on this site from fans of ALL countries. No team is "arrogant" and neither England nor India is "gonna thrash" the other. Both sides are actually pretty evenly matched (in England 2011, India's main problem was a combination of under-preparation of some players and burn-out from others). This series could still go either way - with the exception of Cook, KP and Prior, England's batsmen still look very fragile against spin. And remember, before slating India's spinners, Swann and Monty didn't have to bowl against Cook and KP! Roll on Kolkata!!!

  • armchairjohnny on November 26, 2012, 10:58 GMT

    As an ardent follower of Indian cricket for almost three decades, I'm pressed to remember a more darker day in the history of Indian Test Cricket. With Several players in this Indian side well past their use-by-date, a bowling attack which is toothless in all conditions, and a largely ineffective coach, there are darker days ahead I fear, with the immediate prospect of a home series defeat to a side many believed were incapable of adapting to spin-friendly conditions. I enjoyed the stodgy application shown by England both with bat and ball, something young Indians cricketers would do well to learn from. This series is already lost as far as I'm concerned, with England leading 5-1 in the 8 match series.

    Side note - When India struggled in the 90's they at least had two international standard bowlers (Kumble and Srinath). No current Indian bowler would make my local club side.

  • No1_Jon on November 26, 2012, 10:57 GMT

    Talk about falling in to your own trap!! I bet the next wicket they play on will not be as sharp a turning track this last test was!

    Well Done to England and to Captain Cook! They showed real guts and character to comeback from their first test-showing to turn the table on what can only be described as an aging Indian outfit.

    Barring a couple of new faces, the team is well past it's sell-by date when it comes to leading the light at the top of the world game.

    @IndiaRulestheRest or @IndiaRulesEverbody - how about your India just rule in their own back yard before they can even think of ruling elsewhere?

    Coooool Brittania - tuh-tuh tuh Run tunh Tuurnh - la la la-la-la-la laa laa laah

  • on November 26, 2012, 10:56 GMT

    Serves India right for being cheats over Bairstow's wicket.

  • imrankhan76uk on November 26, 2012, 10:55 GMT

    SRT, Viru, Gauti, Ashwin, Zaheer, should never be dropped.... they are the best of team india.... may be drop Pujara bcoz his stats are way below SRT.. :)) oh forgot to mention Yuvi... he is a MUST in the team

  • Dilruksh on November 26, 2012, 10:54 GMT

    this is what happens when one tries to count the chicks before they hatch

  • PiyushD on November 26, 2012, 10:51 GMT

    I remember Kumble in his final days as an International player, was unable to take wickets he quit mid series, can Sachin please quit Test cricket now, you are welcome to play ODI.

  • memoriesofthepast on November 26, 2012, 10:47 GMT

    How come no legspinner in this Indian team? Congrats to England and only England deserved to win this match. England the inventor of cricket has done so much for this game and even allows foreigners to play county cricket. It is high time that 39 year old Tendulkar realizes that his playing the highest no. of test matches or playing for 23 years or 52nd century are trivial compared to India losing a test. No Dravid, no Laxman, no Kumble, no Ganguly means that 34 year old Sehwag can no longer try to score rapidly or attack every ball and get out early. AFter playing 100 tests , he should now bat responsibly in each innings as fitting a seniormost player in this team. Playing 2 off-spinners is unwise.

  • Un_Citoyen_Indien on November 26, 2012, 10:46 GMT

    A few suggestions to stem the rot:

    Short Term (i.e. for the Kolkata Test up next):

    1) Shift Sehwag to the middle order (which is what he wants as well). Have Vijay or Rahane come in to partner Gambhir.

    2) Replace Yuvraj with a hungry Tiwary in the middle order.

    3) Ashwin to bat higher than Dhoni.

    4) Let the pitch decide whether Harbhajan should play.

    Long Term (i.e. for the next Test Series):

    1) Replace Dhoni with Gambhir or Sehwag as the Test Captain. Neither man is the ideal choice but will have to do for a while.

    2) Bring in Saha or Karthik as the Wicketkeeper Batsman.

    3) Sack Tendulkar. An average of 15.5 in the last 10 innings, not scoring a 100 for the last 28 innings and being dismissed bowled (4 times) and LBW (once) in the last 6 innings is reason enough. Bring in either Rohit Sharma or M. Tiwary instead.

    4) Play ball with the ICC. The Decision Review System (DRS) is here to stay. It will make for a far more satisfactory experience for both spectator and player.

  • CricketingStargazer on November 26, 2012, 10:46 GMT

    @hhillbumper England could still, in theory, go back to #1 in this series, but the only arithmetic that works is a 1-0 Australia win over South Africa and a 3-1 England win over India. If South Africa win or draw the series with Australia they stay #1 whatever and if England win 2-1 or draw, an Australian 1-0 puts them top. With Australia then playing Sri Lanka and South Africa playing New Zealand and Pakistan this winter, the #1 spot could swap hands a couple of times before England even play again.

  • on November 26, 2012, 10:43 GMT

    While I'm as delighted as any other England fan by what can only be described as a crushing victory, let's not get *too* carried away. The bottom line is that only three of our players performed at Ahmedabad, only four made meaningful contributions here, Trott, Bairstow & Bell *still* look highly suspect against spin, our seamers have been comprehensively outbowled by Yadav & Zaheer, & both Broad & Bresnan look like busted flushes. A series win remains an elusive goal.

    As for India: well, you reap what you sow. Dhoni was gift-wrapped the pitch he'd requested, yet seemed not to consider the possibility that his three spinners would be made to look positively agricultural by the guile & adaptability of England's two. In selecting a three-pronged spin attack, he also torpedoed the possibility of falling back on a Plan B, while it's difficult to imagine that either Kohli or Ashwin would have played the asinine shots they did had they not been exposed to such a ridiculous surfeit of T20.

  • whoster on November 26, 2012, 10:32 GMT

    Very proud of our boys for pulling off a terrific victory after being humbled last week. It's still a concern that so many of our batsmen still haven't made runs, so massive thanks to Cook and KP for two brilliant innings. Those two gave Swann and Panesar something to bowl at, and they both bowled wonderfully well. I think Dhoni deserves credit for wanting 'result' wickets. Obviously the move backfired in this Test, but none of us want to see bore draws on flat tracks - apart from possibly the BCCI, who couldn't care less about Test cricket as long as they're raking in the money. Big credit to both sides for providing two exciting games, and this series could become a classic battle. If Finn is fit, he should replace Broad, who's woefully out of form. India have their own batting concerns too, but Pujara is undoubtedly a big find. Both teams are playing exciting, absorbing and entertaining cricket - great advert for the game's greatest format!

  • soza on November 26, 2012, 10:30 GMT

    An inevitable result when 9 batsmen scored 9 runs or less in the Indian second innings and those are the number of Extras conceeded by England. The batting side of things needs a serious revamp.

  • Selassie-I on November 26, 2012, 10:29 GMT

    Well played England, well played Cook, KP, Swann and Monty! I think it will be difficult to not pick him for the next 2 tests! Great win, now the series is really shaping up. Indian fans - there is no need to change your team, you did win a test against us about a week ago, if you recall? Our fans sounded like this a few years back; Drop this player, drop that player, sack the captain etc. then we realised the importance of continuity in selection.(although, no doubt, the usualy suspects will call for KPs head as soon as he makes an sub 100 score)

  • RednWhiteArmy on November 26, 2012, 10:28 GMT

    What a win! Great stuff from the skipper, once again.

    In Cook we trust.

  • Karunk on November 26, 2012, 10:24 GMT

    Congratulations to Cook and his team for splendid win on a vicious turner. It was a slap on Dhoni's face. On the same day,in Adelaide, debudant Du Plessis scored century in the second innings consuming 376 balls helping SA to draw the match. The entire Indian team played 264 balls in the second innings. The most pathetic scene was Gambhir taking single of the first ball with Ojha at the other end. That shows how selfish Indians are for whom average is more important than team.. Report on Du Plessis innings - Most notable was the fact that du Plessis did not become overawed by the situation. He spent an eternity in the nineties but was not flustered, the team goal of survival overshadowing his own ambitions. When he eventually pushed two runs through cover off Ben Hilfenhaus and became the fourth South African to score a century on Test debut, he acknowledged the applause and then settled straight back down to continue his job.

  • on November 26, 2012, 10:24 GMT

    Thank you Mr. Hopps for the plug for technology. Lessons must be learnt here even if they come from across the Atlantic where in Ice Hockey, videos routinely overturn on ice decisions in a very fast moving sport. Everyone appreciates it since it gives players a chance to compete rather than being trounced by human error.

    So to all the adminstrators and captains who fear technology: Please grow and look at the calendar. Its the end of 2012. Hawkey and DRS and the like have been here for years and ADD to umpires and definitely to the game.

  • Wacco on November 26, 2012, 10:24 GMT

    Unfortunately India, you cant beat England in your home spin-friendly tracks. It was no contest earlier in England as it was swing friendly. So what next? You are not even building your team for the future. You have the same old batsmen playing after being crushed in eng and aus with the exception of pujara. In future, i see you only competing with banladesh and Zim. Build your team first like the Australian did.

  • on November 26, 2012, 10:21 GMT

    Np problem team India its part of game some positive for India are pujara and ojha, gambhir but some worry for indian selector are srt, bhaji and youvraj

  • marlboro19 on November 26, 2012, 10:16 GMT

    I would like to stand by Dhoni- what he said in post-match was visionary, to say the least. Win or loose , Indian pitches should be like this. Pitches like this make you savour the art of spin, defensive batting , close fielding , and nimble footwork. I don't think many of the English fans would be disappointed by this pitch. Let's keep our legacy- of spinning pitches, specially in the light of recent attempts to change nature of Sri Lankan pitches. Pak has no chance in foreseeable future to lay at home, and Ban hardly ever wins, so the mental is on India to produce the pitches every spinner,local or foreign , would dream of bowling on.

  • csowmi7 on November 26, 2012, 10:15 GMT

    Pains me to see Indian cricket deteriorate so badly after the heights of the world cup. Now that the trio of Ganguly,Laxman and Dravid are gone it certainly looks bleak at least for the immediate future of Indian cricket. Tendulkar is a shadow of his former self and I cant bare to watch the cricketer I have idolized so long to continue in such a fashion. BCCI is in denial after the 8-0 drubbing in England. But they forget that there was a stage in Indian cricket 2-3 years ago when we were very competitive in foreign conditions. We drew with SA 1-1 nearly won in Australia when they were at their prime and won in England 1-0. This team is not half the side that it was 2-3 years ago and has become much worse. Nevertheless kudos to England who adapted amazingly to these alien conditions unlike India in England and Australia. KP Cook and Monty were amazing.There is a serious problem with Indian cricket and it needs to be addressed.

  • on November 26, 2012, 10:15 GMT

    India needs agility to respond to spinners who bowl faster than normal speeds, I saw they struggled against even Afridi(who bowls fast spin).they need to get batsman who has temprement to bat at test level, why Rahane is is warming the bench? people like Gambhir,Sehwag even Yavraj are having fautly/defective technique against quality attacks, they are more of ODI/T20 players. Get Rahane and Tiwary in the side drop above mentioned loud mouths get Umesh yadav and Varun Arron in. you will do better with quality pace bowler than having spinner who can not take wickets or trouble the English batsman. Other players need to be shown door with respect is Tendulkar and Zaheer,both are well past their sell by date, I am surprised at the worshiping done by commentators too.

  • satanswish on November 26, 2012, 10:12 GMT

    India deserves whitewash test series defeat on home soil. India climbed to No.1 spot purely with home soil victories. But if you look at India's Test series performance post IPL era, it is worse than pathetic. Indians could not even played full 5 days in their double-header 4-0 whitewash matches in England and Australia. Full marks to England for burying Indians in the grave they dug for the visitors.

  • Charlie101 on November 26, 2012, 10:12 GMT

    I am reading all the Indian posts of doom and gloom however if you were a cold blooded betting man who had placed your money on India to win the series you would still be confident of winning . England still have to play out of our skin to win and if you look at the batting we still have a number of players who are not contributing as they should Trott , Patel and for sure they will need to contribute for England to win the series.

  • on November 26, 2012, 10:09 GMT

    I think that Tendulke should call it a day.......he will be remembered as a Legend but if you goes on playing he is not doing any justice to Indian cricket,would love to see Suresh Raina coming into the next Test,

  • pitch_curator on November 26, 2012, 10:05 GMT

    Proper thumping handed to us from the English. Time to be objective in our selection of the test team. We can not force ODI players to become test players. Yuvraj and Raina are not test material. Period. Their record in Ranji matches is also not awe inspiring. We should look at the likes of Rahane and Tiwary who have good domestic records. I dont know what Bhajji is doing in the team. He did nothing against Hyderabad on a turning track in the first match of the Ranji trophy this season and he gets selected for the national team. I mean, how disgusting it would be for the players who are slogging it out and performing well in the Ranji matches. We have seen how a great performer in the domestic scene (Pujara) can perform in international level. If the BCCI is not serious about domestic performances then let us scrap this farce and conduct limited over matches all through the year.

  • itsthewayuplay on November 26, 2012, 10:05 GMT

    'England have not yet come to terms with spin'. But neither has India. Swann is a proven matchwinner all over the world and India clearly has issues against a quality left-arm spinner in Monty. India has shown this current team can only win on low slow surfaces and it wins the toss, bats first and Pujara helps to put 500+ on the board. If Finn is back for 3rd test, he'll have a couple of walking wickets in our openers and with Kohli yet to hit his straps we down to Pujara. He's done superbly well so far being so experienced at this level, it's unfair to expect too much more from him. England are my favourites for at least one of the next 2 tests.

  • on November 26, 2012, 10:04 GMT

    One thing that stood out was a monumental effort by Pragyan Ojha With better catching, he would have ended up with a bagful of wickets! Besides that poor, lacklustre fielding, sloppy close-in catching & feeble miserable stopping of boundary balls prevailed. Harbhajan was the chief culprit ever diving over balls & letting them slip under his torso. Batting was a shambles in both innings with stalwarts like Sehwag, Tendulkar, Dhoni, Yuvraj & Gambhir (1st innings) unable to take command & dominate the bowling. Such an abject performance will not rub off on Kohli & Pujara who are looking for inspiration from seniors. Pujara played well but was exposed in the 2nd innings. Sachin Tendulkar should be advised to retire from cricket honestly for I think he's past his sell by date. Lots of questions abound on Dhoni's captaincy, its tactics, merits & utility because he comes across as totally clueless & confused in Test Cricket

  • on November 26, 2012, 10:00 GMT

    Fair play to England, they completely deserved to win this match.

    India lost a game, which normally is not the worst thing, I think in the context of the whole 'revenge series' I suppose it stings a lot. But there are two more matches and a series to be won! So they should get their act together at Eden Gardens. And on the plus side, the first two games have given us results and are hard fought, which makes for good test cricket.

  • Waikato_FC on November 26, 2012, 9:55 GMT

    A few thoughts as a neutral (well, neutral-ish, I did work for the England team a while ago, but i'm a Kiwi). The whole 'not really English' thing is a red herring. Monty is English born and bred, KP is 1/2 English, Trott plied his trade in England for a LONG time - if ICC say they're qualified, they're qualified! All those Indian 'supporters' clamouring for Sachin to be dropped, let the great man go on as long as he wants, he's still a genius and the greatest batsman in the last 50 years. He's showing signs of age but I think he's still capable, and who would you rather have, Rohit Sharma?!. Dhoni has hands like feet and is a poor skipper, he should be dropped but who would take over as skipper? In Kohli and Rahane you have 2 incredible talents, don't panic, it's still 1-1! :)

  • ste13 on November 26, 2012, 9:52 GMT

    Once again - India needs a complete revamp. Sachin Tendulkar should retire now. Y Singh, MS Dhoni, and H Singh should be gone as well. There are many players in Ranji, who can replace struggling T20 "stars". They would be more hungry to succeed. What is the motivation of well-paid IPL stars? Bring in Tiwary, Rahane and a new spinner. Despite huge win, England should not be complacent. It was all bhuild around four players only - with the rest average. This is why, I would be cautious to predict the outcome of the next game. One bad day for Cook or Pietersen and England may struggle as well.

  • prabachris on November 26, 2012, 9:48 GMT

    1, India lost 4-0 in the alien condition in England. 2,India lost 4-0 in alien condition in Australia. 3,will India will lose 3-1 in home friendly condition in India? its all up to tendulkar , dhoni,yuvraj,harbajan and khan. all these guys are above 30+ or nearing it. lot of indian talents waiting are in their 20+. but what will these 20+ guys do if some peoples want to play cricket for their own satisfaction over 40+.well if after 40+ still want to play at 50+,thats ok .at least Indians fans can opt to watching some other youngsters games like tennis , football, rugby.its going to happen soon if the selection committee jokers dint make any brave decision.

  • Long-Leg on November 26, 2012, 9:38 GMT

    If I was an Indian supporter / selector I wouldn't panic just yet. David Hopps is right when he says that "England have not yet come to terms with spin". Cook, Pietersen, and Prior are the only England batsmen to score well so far. Compton has looked reasonably good without scoring big, but the rest still look inept on these sub continental surfaces. Cook will fail at some point and when he does we need to see the likes of Trott, Bell and Bairstow come good. We desperately need to bat well all the way through the side.

  • on November 26, 2012, 9:37 GMT

    Indians are average at best. Only capable of playing on flat wickets. Put them on a good wicket, they will fold cheaply. No backbone or will to fight. Overrated and ordinary, that's what indians are.

  • bighit14 on November 26, 2012, 9:37 GMT

    England deserved to win this match. A great performance by Monty and Cook (again and always) and a special one from Pietersen. More than that India deserved to lose this match as they lacked respect for their opposition and took them very lightly. Harbhajan does not deserve any further place in any Indian team. Yuvi needs to learn from Kevin on how to handle one's weakness

  • Mervo on November 26, 2012, 9:36 GMT

    So there will be no pace bowlers in the next test? That is not cricket. That is a game I have never seen. I can't support England but, India can only blame themselves for trying to hide behind dodgy pitches.

  • on November 26, 2012, 9:32 GMT

    Well Played England !! As for India, we need to be patient. There aren't too many changes that you can make in this team. But, couple of spots do seem worth a fresh face. Gambir needs to sit out for a while, surely struggling. Get in Rahane to open with Sehwag. Sachin needs to drop himself for the rest of the series and re-think the way forward. I can see an announcement coming soon ! Other than that, Aswin & Ojha just need to keep things simple like they did in Ahmedabad...No fancy stuff...No Carroms..just good orthodox spin. And Umesh needs to come in for Harbhajan.

  • Shridharan.S on November 26, 2012, 9:31 GMT

    Credit to England the way they played.They deserved to win.The pressure wil be on India in the 3rd Test at Kolkata.Australia vs South Africa is also scheduled.Might have a interesting few weeks of Test Match Cricket.Maybe India will win the series 2-1.My India XI for 3rd Test: 1.Ajinkya Rahane 2.Gautam Gambhir (c) 3.Cheteshwar Pujara 4.Sachin Tendulkar 5.Virat Kohli 6.Manoj Tiwary 7.Wriddhiiman Saha (wk) 8.Ravichandran Ashwin 9.Pragyan Ojha 10.Zaheer Khan 11.Ashok Dinda

  • Siddiee on November 26, 2012, 9:31 GMT

    Well played England. India played rubbish and it is not the first time any team has lost a match in home conditions so much of the trash being thrown is uncalled for. Spinning pitch or swinging pitch, bowlers are required to bowl in right areas which did not happen for the home side. Also better players of spin play with intent, step out occasionally, rotate the strike and don't allow spinners to bowl one batsmen all 6 deliveries of an over on one place and India needs to correct that before next match. And please someone tell Kohli to play as if its a limited overs game as it seems he is trying to prove that he can play long format sacrificing his natural game and scoring opportunities in process.

  • CBVIJAY on November 26, 2012, 9:30 GMT

    Dhoni doesn't know to bat. he doesn't know to keep wickets. He misses stumping and 3 catches in every 2 matches he is playing.And now he doesn't know to think... Better Change the Captain. Swann said before the tournament that he can not win matches single handily for England. Ohja has to think of it now. Both Ashwin and Harbhajan are Struggling. Zaheer is nothing. Ohja can't be a one man army. So Selectors have the work to be done now.

  • mazii on November 26, 2012, 9:28 GMT

    Indiaruleseverybody....Dear you've surprises me with your comments. Lolzzzzzzzzzzzz. Look how your team has been thrashed by the same Englishmans that were beaten 3-0 by Pakistan recently. India don't have spinners like Ajmal and even Rehman. ICC should take some actions against India as they are not good for Test cricket. India is good in ODI and T20. But not in tests my Bother. Accept that or feel the heat. Pakistan is a way better test team. Ashwin is just a flop and over-rated bowler. Ojha is good, but Harbhajan is history.

  • yogesh.gg on November 26, 2012, 9:28 GMT

    Ok people , we understand now that we are worst even test team in history and even worse than Canada/Namibia .We can't win at home let alone winning away.And we don't deserve test status either. You can breath easy now. PEACE!! Pls publish cricinfo

  • krvij on November 26, 2012, 9:27 GMT

    @DINESHCC: Thoroughly enjoyed your comments. Jokes apart this is the realistic situation, no one is ready to change because of the arrogance. BCCI & MSD are disgrace to Test Cricket - A disappointed Indian fan.

  • on November 26, 2012, 9:23 GMT

    It is better India should play only IPL is better option because they are unable to perform in international cricket neither we have quality blowing or batting. We are not at all to compete in international level because we are unable to play quality blowing but luckily we won the World cup but our players and BCCI not shown any interest on celebrate on this because they have more interest on IPL not cricket. BCCI highjack Indian cricket fans so their priority is only earn only money not for develop cricket in India

  • on November 26, 2012, 9:23 GMT

    India must realize their poor performance. They shouldn't blame on umpires, infect umpires supports India by giving to outs which were originally not out.

  • Cpt.Meanster on November 26, 2012, 9:23 GMT

    @Cannuck: I think you haven't done much to extinguish the egos of some Indian fans. They will continue to be that way. Nobody can do anything about that. Besides, what do you say about countless Sri Lankans coming to Indian articles and flaming all the time ? So it happens both ways. I am an Indian fan myself and yet, I cannot stand some of the ridiculous trolling from my fellow Indian fans. There are 2 sides to the same coin my friend. Btw, good showing against NZ by your team.

  • on November 26, 2012, 9:21 GMT

    It is not only time for Sachin to retire, but for Sehwag also. Look at the way he was fielding - so lazy and took things so easy. Many opportunities were not even attempted to be considered missed chances. Stood straight while he should have been in bent position, arms should have been at the ground level and be ready to catch, but his arms were around waist level and he was caught by surprise at every opportunity that he did not attempt!! This lazy let-go mood affects the entire team's killer instinct and Sehwag is definitely a liability in more circumstances than he is an asset. Another man who should start counting his time is Dhoni - started the first ball of the second innings with a generous bye for four while England should have been made to struggle 2-3 overs to get off the mark. He is not batting well, not keeping well - captaining well? We'll see!!

  • Naresh28 on November 26, 2012, 9:21 GMT

    India has no where to hide. More action and less talking by Dhoni and co. Passengers in the team shoiuld be dropped. Our bowling is pathetic and has always been pathetic.

  • scottnye on November 26, 2012, 9:20 GMT

    @ Deepak Kumar - I think you will find that Harbhajan was bowling when KP came to the crease, bowled a number of 4 balls to let KP play himself in, and was then taken off. Very ordinary he looked too.

    I feel very proud to be an English cricket fan today. Many were expectign a repeat of the series in the UAE, but after the 2nd innings at Ahmedabad I had a feeling things would improve. I do still worry a little that if Cook and/or KP dont get runs that our other batsmen will stuggle to get big scored, but if Monty and Swann keep bowling the way they are then we will still be in with a shout.

    For the 3rd test, I would drop Broad and Patel and bring in Finn (if fit) or Meaker, Morgan for Patel (he is superfluous to requirements with Monty and Awann with KP to bowl a few overs). I think Morgan would score runs here and Patel not really good enough batsman to hold place if only 3rd spinner IMO.

  • Kashi0127 on November 26, 2012, 9:20 GMT

    Probably not many know this. The India Cricket Board recalled (virtually begged) Pataudi to come back post retirement to lead India. The current selection committee could do the same. Request (beg if needed) Dravid or Kumble to come out of retirement to lead India out of current hole they are in!

  • Cpt.Meanster on November 26, 2012, 9:18 GMT

    I also wish to congratulate some of the Pakistani supporters here for their rational comments. Yes, Ajmal is a class apart. Even Rahman is a class apart. Indian spinners are good but not great. They may click some days, they may not otherwise. Unfortunately, they did not click during this match. One can only hope they come good in Kolkata which historically is an Indian stronghold. I am sure the Indian public is losing patience with the BCCI and its selectors. But in India, it's difficult to be 'ordinary people' with limited voice. Many changes need to make India a formidable test match team again. For a starter, SRT should retire with immediate effect. Followed by MS Dhoni's resignation as captain. Enough is enough.

  • MartinC on November 26, 2012, 9:16 GMT

    The biggest worry that the BCCI, ICC and crickets fans in general around the world should have is not the state of the Indian batting or the lack of bite in their bowling its the indifference of the Indian public - and maybe players - to Test cricket.

    The games are being played in half empty stadiums at best. I'm not sure how much it really means to the Indian players either given the contracts they earn in IPL and the focus on one day cricket in India.

    I worry for the future of Text cricket. 20/20 can be fun to watch but its not a serious test of a cricketers skill or temperament and ODIs are not even fun to watch in the main (IMO). If Test cricket slowly dies the game will die with it eventually.

  • Cpt.Meanster on November 26, 2012, 9:12 GMT

    @Dravid_Gravitas: Well said man ! We will never learn. Sachin is a GOD among mortals. Well look what the 11 mortals from England did to GOD's team !!?? It's ridiculous isn't it ? I am sure some of our fellow Indians will come charging at us both for putting down Tendulkar, but the fact remains he is nothing more than a RELIC living on reputation. The REAL Tendulkar vanished over 6 years ago. He needs to GO ! Time for drastic changes in Indian cricket. Our test match capability is being hit for a HOME RUN ! Our major strength - playing on dusty, spinning pitches is now our WEAKNESS as well. We can't play on seaming, bouncy pitches, and now we also seem to struggle on spinning tracks. Should we laugh or cry as Indian fans ?!

  • Kashi0127 on November 26, 2012, 9:11 GMT

    India going with three spinners!!! Seriously they are not Prasanna, Venkat, Chandra and Bedi and no one is anyway half as good! Fielding wise we do not have Solkars and Abid Alis. While Ashiwin and Ojha are trying and new, giving Harbhajan so many chances is ridiculous. He has never been impressive.

  • Follow_thru on November 26, 2012, 9:11 GMT

    I'm not too worried about Tendulkar. He will retire soon - just a matter of time. What's worrying is the performance of the new torchbearers - Kohli, Yuvraj, Ashwin, Dhoni, Gambhir (despite the last innings)...in Indian conditions. But I'm also optimistic that they will do well in the remaining 2 tests. They lost mainly because of 2 outstanding innings (KP & AC) and one poor batting session in the 2nd innings.

  • on November 26, 2012, 9:11 GMT

    Now the Dilemma for Dhoni & Co is what kinda pitch does he ask for in Kolkatta ? Make a seaming track & you might get creamed by Anderson; Make a Turning track & Monty the Monster might humiliate again, Make a dead track & Cook might score 400 !! So, all in all a big fix for Dhoni and Fletcher.

  • Sanawana on November 26, 2012, 9:10 GMT

    @Indiaruleseverybody; India wins or lose, we dont freaking care. Yes! England won, I'm happy just because people didnt expect them to and they gave us a surprise and made the series alive! Just stop taking out your frustration on BD and Pak fans and yes I'm a Pak fan. @ all of other Indian fans! India can surely bounce back, they just need some radical changes in their playing 11. Bhajji, SRT, Yuvraj and Sehwag too should not be there. Two spinners have equal effect to three spinners in a test matche; Dhoni forgot the fact that by playing a third spinner the variability of the bowling attack could be compromised; batsmen just get used to so many bowlers with same action and speed. @England! well played! finally you have outplayed spin that too under a new captain; KP is THE best batsman of the three formats of the present era.

  • gerrardl on November 26, 2012, 9:09 GMT

    The ICC is too blame for this mauling. They shouldn't allow 2nd tier teams like India to play test cricket. I think Zimbabwe, India, New Zealand and Bangladesh should have a test playoff to decide which one of them are capable of playing test cricket. Please ICC, spare these teams the humiliation of having to get thrashed regularly. India for t20's and ODI's only!

  • Kashi0127 on November 26, 2012, 9:08 GMT

    Some of the folks commented dropping Tendulkar. Be careful what you say. You could get arrested in this country for making anti GOD comments!

  • on November 26, 2012, 9:07 GMT

    The English team has shown a lot of resilience - they were willing to adapt and change. And the result showed.

  • Harlequin. on November 26, 2012, 9:05 GMT

    After reading a lot of inane boasting on some of the comments boards, its good to see a lot of Indian fans congratulating England for this win. From the first test, England have improved a lot, and India seemed to have become complacent - Ashwins dismissal on the 3rd evening being a classic example. India still have enough class to win the series, but do they have the fight in them?

  • scudetto on November 26, 2012, 9:04 GMT

    Well done England...the series has made me a cook admirer.I always liked Peterson though after watching him outplay my CSK in an ipl match. Dhoni's Turning pitch demands backfired but that happens in cricket.He was bold enough to demand that.Nevertheless, the series is on. Indian test team is in a rebuilding phase.Now DHONI's main hurdle is to build it just like DADA did. PS : If bcci allow him to retain the job of captaincy.I do not see any other candidate though. SRT sir!!! with all due respect, please do not spoil the career of the likes of Rohit Sharma, Ajinkya Rahane. You have a blessing to the world of cricket, but even the king of the jungle knows when to leave the territory for newbies who are stronger and agile.Don't take this as rough. But i believe in good cricket. Saw fafs innings which was more fun. Test cricket is alive.

  • on November 26, 2012, 9:03 GMT

    Wll played England. Too bad for my team India, but we cant really complain, Dhoni got the trap that he wanted and fell into it. It is actually quite hilarious. Looking forward to close matches and a great series ahead.

  • guptahitesh4u on November 26, 2012, 8:55 GMT

    India was outplayed by the English team. KP and Cook played very good inning and Panesar was the best bowler of the match...The whole batting line-up crumbled like anything in the 2nd innings..First two matches have been proven to be one-sided...Lets hope for a close fight in the next 2 matches..

  • baranasai on November 26, 2012, 8:53 GMT

    Well Done Dhoni.I thought some fight will be there in the lower order.never mind.But the series is gone to England as teh momentum has swing in their favour and none of the indian batsman will ever recover from the defaet to spinners till the end.Dhoni Please dont ever come with any more funny explanations.You are not able to play as a inspiring captain nor your middle order has never functioned well at he time when needed. Please learn from other captains like Jayawardhene or Clarke let alone COOK/ SRT will play for another 2 years till the next world cup-People who kicked the Lakshmans and Dravids will keep silent

  • Cpt.Meanster on November 26, 2012, 8:53 GMT

    @Nutcutlet: Thanks friend. England played very well and deserve this win. Any talk of them being 'useless' against spin should be kicked out of the door. They are decent in Indian conditions if not best. They proved they can surely compete against this 'not so great' Indian team. I am sure India will bounce back for the next two games. Still, I have always felt England have the better personnel going into this series. India are living on 'fading stars' and reputations. Things have to change quickly if Indian cricket is to move forward. One of the reasons why India have become a supreme limited overs team is because of their emphasis on younger players. The same logic should be applied to test cricket.

  • Rogerunionjack on November 26, 2012, 8:53 GMT

    Well played lads! It is not easy to beat India in India, so this should be a special victory. Having said that, one still needs to scrutinize our batting, because there were no contributions other than Cook & KP. Swann & Monty made the best of the conditions, and it's certainly not easy to get twenty Indian wickets in India. Finally, it is important to keep things in perspective, the series is still even, and one needs to be gracious in both defeat & victory.

  • CricketingStargazer on November 26, 2012, 8:52 GMT

    It's nice to see RandyOz so quiet over the last few weeks! Interesting choices coming up for both sides for the 3rd Test. India have to pick specialist bowlers and, probably, a better balanced attack. Will we also see a result pitch for the 3rd Test? It will be interesting to see if India go for broke and try to win the series and, in doing so, risk losing it. England need to keep their feet well planted on the ground and be as ruthless in the 3rd Test as they have been in this one, but, even so, the form of Trott, Bell and Broad cannot be ignored.

  • arvindsrin on November 26, 2012, 8:48 GMT

    There is this myth that has got propagated that Indians are good players of spin. It is true only upto a point and if we go back in history India has never played spin well on turning tracks (either in India or overseas)where overseas spinners use a slightly faster pace and flatter trajectory to extract bounce as well as not give scoring opprtunities. eg Pat Pocock, Phil Edmonds In India, Underwood in England on a sticky wicket 1974?, Greg Mathews (people should watch the video of the one dayer, I think in Sydney in 1986), Iqbal Qasim and Tauseef , bangalore(where our supposedly great batsmen squandered away Maninder's brilliant bowling), John Bracewell in Mumbai 1988?, eddie hemmings in England 1990's, Saqlain Mustaq in the three tests in India. However, we have played wrist spinners well (both Abdul Qadir and Shane Warne have had none/limited success). Before asking for a turner, look at reality and not through a glass tinted by images of Bedi,pras, Chandra,kumble, bhajji of old

  • colc on November 26, 2012, 8:47 GMT

    Well, I must admit I'm as surprised as I am delighted! India now seem to have all the problems, but I am concerned about our pace attack, especially Broad, who seems to be way down on his usual place. Would England dare replace him with Finn [if fit] Meaker, or Onions? KP seems to have allayed his demons, Cook looks almost undismissable, but the rest of the batting is still a worry. Still, England's problems are small compared to India's, especially as Dhoni looks increasingly out of touch, both with bat and gloves, and Tendulkar looks a shadow of his former self, which is undoubtedly affecting the younger members of the side.

  • jmcilhinney on November 26, 2012, 8:46 GMT

    @baskar_guha on (November 26 2012, 05:33 AM GMT), I'd say that rather your argument is poor. If the ICC's elite umpires are not good enough then no one is going to be. Umpiring at any level is not any easy job but at international level it would be ridiculous. Umpires are going to make mistakes and, just as players go through bad periods, there are going to be periods where umpires make bad calls. That's exactly why we need the technology: to back them up when they get it right and to help them when they get it wrong.

  • vishav100 on November 26, 2012, 8:46 GMT

    Wow!, as an Indian I can now say that we don't learn from our mistakes. 1. Tendulker has had a great career, but he's got to go, scores of 8, 13, 6 on Indian wickets, is not good enough for your number 4. Dravid, (who I rate better than Sachin) did the right thing and went, and look, his position is filled by a guy who gets 206*, 41* and 135! 2. Why is 'Bhajji' even in the squad, he is not patient enough, bowls a good ball, doesn't get a wicket, and gets frustrating and then bowls the next one flatter and shorter, which class players like K.P and Alaistair will hit for 4 all day long. 3. When will Dhoni retire as a test player, he averages like 37 in test cricket, and his technique cannot withstand long periods of batting, and he can't keep and captain for 5 days, give the captaincy to Kholi, or Viru. 4. Get rid of Zaheer. He's been a brilliant bowler, and still is, but he's aging, and can break down at any time, and his fitness and fielding( not to mention batting) are horrid.

  • Iyer on November 26, 2012, 8:45 GMT

    1) I still believe Sachin should feature in the playing X1, we haven't found a player to replace him. 2) If one analyze, more than the bowlers it is our batting that let us down. In both the innings, the second top scorer for India was a bowler. That speaks volume about Indian batting. 3) Why is Zaheer in the playing X1? If he is not going to be effective with his medium pace bowling, why even have him in the team? 4) Dhoni should be playing his last two test matches of his life. I have always been a Dhoni hater. He is fit to play only ODIs and T20s that are played in sub-continent conditions. Please find a replacement for him, dont worry about his superstar staus. Coke and Pepsi will continue to pour money into BCCI coffers whether Dhoni plays or not! 5) Let us also gracefully accept that England team is far superior than this Indian team. Swann, Cook, and KP are world class players who can play in any condition. Add to that this once in a while Monty perf, no way India!

  • shovwar on November 26, 2012, 8:45 GMT

    Very disappointed with India's performance. I always knew they are really bad in playing in Fast pitches like England, SA or Aus. But what is this? They were beaten by their own weapon, not only beaten, blown away on their custom made pitch in their own backyard!! How would India come back from this beats me. Even if they now change the pitch to support fast bowling, Anderson n co would eat them. God save India.

  • crzcric on November 26, 2012, 8:45 GMT

    "England spinners humiliate india" thats exactly what happened.I wonder where are the dreaming indian fans now.They said india will whitewash England.lol.just two matches and its all over.Well done England .thanks for humiliating most overrated team in the world.Any pathetic excuses MSD???????Once again they proove they are the flat track bullies. "Hit the ball and enjoy the sound". LOL .I'm sorry i cant hear sehwag. they cant play on bouncy pitches or turning pitches. pathatic. I hope they will prepare flattest tracks u willl ever see for the next two matches.To get some runs and improve their flattrack bullies avarages much better.then their dreaming fans will call it they thrash england bowlers.LOOOOOOOOOOOL

  • crzcric on November 26, 2012, 8:43 GMT

    "England spinners humiliate india" thats exactly what happened.I wonder where are the dreaming indian fans now.They said india will whitewash England.lol.just two matches and its all over.Well done England .thanks for humiliating most overrated team in the world.Any pathetic excuses MSD???????Once again they proove they are the flat track bullies. "Hit the ball and enjoy the sound". LOL .I'm sorry i cant hear sehwag. they cant play on bouncy pitches or turning pitches. pathatic. I hope they will prepare flattest tracks u willl ever see for the next two matches.To get some runs and improve their flattrack bullies avarages much better.then their dreaming fans will call it they thrash england bowlers.LOOOOOOOOOOOL

  • stupididiot on November 26, 2012, 8:40 GMT

    Its time for Sachin to be honest with himself and make a gracious exit. It gives a lot of pain for a fan like me when he is dismissed so cheaply. Make a mark like the great LARA who didnt waited for his 12000 runs.

  • on November 26, 2012, 8:40 GMT

    More of IPL mania & india is surely going to become a pathetic Test playing nation. How naive are they that they thought Pakistan's terrific white wash over the pommies can be replicated in Indian dust bowls forgetting the fact that Ashwin n Ojha are good bowlers but no way near to Ajmal's class. It was shown right after the Srilanka tour that England are learning from their defeats & giving them predicable tracks they will gonna make you pay for that. Dhoni & company miss-read the script. KP's knock was commendable & effective but not technically sound had he been playing against Warne, Murlidharan or even against Ajmal they would have had him early. I don't expect India to simple turn around & make a green track suicide but they need to come up with more sporting pitches than we have seen in recent years.

  • 777aditya on November 26, 2012, 8:39 GMT

    I hope Sachin retires and Yuvraj and Harbhajan are replaced by Rahane and Umesh. I know Sachin will never retire, so cant name a replacement for him. In one word, his current form is - pathetic, much like Ponting, who is at least a better fielder.

  • on November 26, 2012, 8:37 GMT

    Hats off to England. Its an incredible achievement to level the series after losing the toss in conditions that were heavily loaded against them, without two of their first choice players. Most importantly, they overcame the demons in their minds. England may no longer be the No.1 side, but they sure aren't going to go down like their predecessors at the top. Frankly, I don't see India coming back from here.

  • Romenevans on November 26, 2012, 8:36 GMT

    i just spoke to Tendulkar on phone and he said "Im not going to retire before my son plays his debut match with me"...and then i called dhoni to ask his views on next match and he said "I just ordered a brand new spanking green top for KOlkata match and im playing my fastest Indians bowlers in that match to wrap up english players....i asked who are they? He said "Im gonna bowl and Sachin Paji will do wicket keeping and 2nd bowler would be Vinay The Scorching Kumar"

  • Valavan on November 26, 2012, 8:34 GMT

    @DINESHCC, I see the frustration, but honestly 3 people need to be axed mainly - Sachin, Dhoni and Harbhajan. Team should play the game with sportiveness, not like some WWF. Dhoni is the main reason between heated exchange between the teams (with any team). Didnt we see Viv acknowledging Kapil and posing happily after losing the test in Trinidad in 1983, didnt we see kapil sharing a joke with Viv after he was caught by Viv in Sharjah 1986. Where has the spirit gone. cricinfo please publish.

  • hhillbumper on November 26, 2012, 8:33 GMT

    One down lets see how the next two go. We need to win this series then go to New Zealand and then take the Ashes. We want the number 1 spot back. Makes you wonder what we could do with a full team as Broad did not do anything neither did Trott. Well done England.proud of you and bring on the next test

  • alfredmynn on November 26, 2012, 8:32 GMT

    England deserve to enjoy this win (with due humility). India must do some honest soul-searching: to be a consistent test side requires first admitting your problems (poor bowling, insufficient commitment to test cricket, a brittle and ageing batting line-up). The notion that Indian batsmen are better players of spin than their English counterparts is baseless: unlike in the past when many Indian players were immovable against spin, modern T20 specialists like Dhoni are generally technically poor and struggle against good bowling, fast or slow. The bickering fans of both sides also need to stop whining about each other's pitches - the whole point of touring is conquering different conditions. The only bad pitches are the dead-flat roads or the dangerous ones with unpredictable bounce. Anything else is within the normal range of variation and presents a wide spectrum of challenges that the batsman or bowler must negotiate to take their place among the greats!

  • sweetspot on November 26, 2012, 8:32 GMT

    Kudos to England, even though it was a three man show that really did it for them. KP was outstanding, Cook as superb as he has always been, and Monty! No words to describe how spot on and lively his show was! It is fantastic to see a close series, no matter who wins or loses. I'm sure Indian fans would have been very happy to see their team put up some sort of fight in England and Australia, and that is the only resentment, personally for me in losing, no matter what the margin is. That is all in the past.

    Now, the remainder of the series will see a rejuvenated England against an India that will hopefully wake up and not repeat mistakes. Should be fun. In any case, this team was only for the first two tests. Cricket being cricket, anything can happen, so let's just watch and enjoy and not be constantly under the suffering of ranking, comparisons, and analyses! Enough of this already.

  • sanmaha on November 26, 2012, 8:31 GMT

    It is time to fire tendulkar spoiling youngster life hanging for 23 years selector please dont select tendulkar yuvarj for remaining test . Any one ask dhoni to shut his mouth if they prepare shame type of wicket they going harmed like same manner Because only puijara gambir are good enough play spinner player like dhoni yvraj kholi will struggle in 3rd or 4th day turning wicket sachin also wasting place .there is golden rules in cricket if a batsmen continuously gets bowled means he is lacking in consternation.Selectors please select youngsters from current ranji trophy

  • Sporty-critic on November 26, 2012, 8:31 GMT

    Even if all the groundsmen in India toe the line and make pitches what Dhoni has asked for, will it make any difference ? Point is we have players who have either not played for a long time or have been put on a pedestal too early. Naturally, success has gone over their heads and no common sense logic seem to have worked, at least this time around. Again, this drubbing will be forgotten if India manage to win the next two matches and the series which is not a great feat.

    We can only sympathize with zaheer,ishant,umesh and the likes..

  • Charlie101 on November 26, 2012, 8:29 GMT

    What a resukt for English cricket - a 10 wicket win away from home in Mumbai and Michael Vaughan winning his strictly come dancing "dance off " against Victoria Pendleton . Made up for the Rugby !!!!

    Still the same selection queries for the team - Bell / Bairstow/ Patel and Finn / Broad. India have the same selection problems but will come back fightling . We have a great chance to take a series win .

  • on November 26, 2012, 8:29 GMT

    Best chances for Dhoni and another super hero looks like: 1) Flat pitches - Everyone scores - Draw matches - secure endorsements and places. 2) or get injured somehow( like in last eng series) - escape - come back next series 3) shell some money and buy commentators who can back you and shield. 4) Plan some talk and use fan base to back u, talk past records. 5) or the last resort is use your mgmt power and change remaining two tests to t20 where your best chance is.

    All workable options, just a matter of choice, nothing to worry.

  • Akshita29 on November 26, 2012, 8:28 GMT

    Congrats to England . Great innings by Kp . Compton looked really good in the 2nd innings . He got the attacking strokes too . And for some of my fellow Indian fans who might be moaning about umpiring i would say Cant just BCCI accept DRS and just end these kind of debates? When there is technology available why not use it . Anyways Our batsmen cant score in turning tracks also . They need an absolute flat , slow and low pitch to score runs . May be they would produce such a pitch and Sachin would score a century and then keep playing for 2 more years witout doing anything .

  • Perfect.Stranger on November 26, 2012, 8:26 GMT

    its arrogant to ask for tailored pitches so openly, especially by a teams captain. I am sure most of the captains would have a say in pitches they get at home but such discussions are always behind closed doors. What will you achieve by making such demands thru news channels. It only showed you were arrogant, had no regard for your opposition, and didn't give a shit about ICC. The results are for everyone to see. You put your own team under pressure. no excuses left now, huh

  • shiby on November 26, 2012, 8:24 GMT

    Price to England! Poor performance from IND spinners & the way Dhoni used spin. To drawn next matches, better to keep out first Sachin, Harbajan & Yuvi. I suggest Dhoni should promote Ashwin to open 2nd innings in a reverse order, it might save at least 15 overs to learn Dressing room to what could do. Dhoni should do more responsibilities on batting, avoid Loosing hole behind WKT, Scoring between IND fielders gap, attacking field deployment etc.

  • Sugath on November 26, 2012, 8:24 GMT

    India has paid a price for their own odaciousness. It was they who said no to DRS and due to that many decisions went against them when DRS should have saved them. sad, humbled in their own front yard. Two years ago they were number one, and now?

  • on November 26, 2012, 8:20 GMT

    England has won a well deserved victory. Compare the pathetic show of our renowned batsmen with that of South Africa. There Kallis and Du Plessis were fighting a valiant rearguard action to save the match which they ultimately did, where as our heroes were behaving as if participating in a procession. What ever has happened to the spinners? In a pitch which was expected to assist Aswin and Ojha, it was Monty Panesar and Gramme Swan who reaped rich dividends.

  • on November 26, 2012, 8:18 GMT

    I think this is needed for Indian cricket. They just needs to get their heads going. But the main difference was the quality of bowling attack. Apart from Ojha and Zaheer, I don't see much of threat from any other Indian Bowlers. Selectors need to watch Domestic circuit more often and do something at the grass root level. And to some paki supporters who are blaming India for being trashed, Your battiing lineup may crumble against Indian bowling attack too. Your test batting department is that weak!!

  • CricIsCrazy on November 26, 2012, 8:18 GMT

    Now Dhoni should insist on wickets on which India will be guaranteed a win.

  • bravetigersmustwin on November 26, 2012, 8:18 GMT

    @Yorkslanka... Ur post shows clear frustration of srilanka's pathetic loss to india few months back. Yes a srilankan can support england...Its really funny to see your silly effort to create enemity b/w england and india... Remember Kevin Peterson has a very great fan base in INDIA. Yes its really humiliating that INDIA has lost this way but we wish INDIA to come back again and we will continue to respect England team, because they are respectable opponents

  • cbradbury on November 26, 2012, 8:17 GMT

    For thew information of those Indian fans claiming that they were beaten by an Indian spinner - Monty was truly bron in the heart of the Raj - Luton...

  • on November 26, 2012, 8:16 GMT

    Well done England team...Congrats...What happened to the Indian batting ? Some tactical mistakes. Yesterday instead of deputing night watchmen to face around 20 overs, the leading batsmen were deputed,thereby making the mockery of tactics..and losing almost all reputed batsmen were perished.....If english spinners can outplay indian spinners in indian soil, it is going to be a tough series. now monty will be there in the team till england leaves india, even though he is not taking wickets. they made a mistake by not including monty in the ahmedabad test, as you can see almost all wickets were taken by swan in that test too. anyway play well, whatever be the result.....if we lose chance here, then where will we play smoothly, outside india ???????

  • indiasupbangalore on November 26, 2012, 8:16 GMT

    What a win by england, way to go, loved the way KP batted and monty bowled really well. It is clear green top is only half of india's problem. Ghambhir showed lot of character. It is time to act and make some tough changes like letting go for sachin and dhoni from test team. Make gambhir the captain, bring on saha/dinesh as wicketkeeper, give vijay/rahane a go.

  • Mariakutty on November 26, 2012, 8:15 GMT

    Well Done England. It's sure now Dhoni will request for flat pitches. Still India has a problem in Finn. We neither have an express quicky nor a spinner who can do the trick, always. We only have a legend who always recite, "I NEVER PLAY FOR MYSELF, I ALWAYS PLAY FOR THE COUNTRY". Scoring his 100th century with 30 more balls, that too against Bangladesh and losing the match. How can this performance match his statement. Wake up selectors, youngsters are in queue.

  • on November 26, 2012, 8:15 GMT

    there r 5 players in team who r not suitable to play testing conditions..they r more of a limited game players rather than test players..its time selection commitee takes hard decisions and remove players like yuvraj,dhoni.sehwag who only will play on flat tracks(more of ODI scenario)..saha can replace dhoni as keeper batsman in tests..he played very well for the only chance he got in aus..u need players like dravid who r technically crt to play test cricket..players like dhoni.sehwag,yuvraj struggle wen ball swings or spins..i m afraid wat to comment on Indian bowling ..tough times ahead for Indian cricket mainly test cricket

  • on November 26, 2012, 8:15 GMT

    Firstly, congrats to England. They deserved to win this.as an Indian fan what hurts me more than Indian defeat is gambhirs career extending 61 knock. I want this overhyped player to be out of the team as soon as possible.sachin should make way for rahane. Drop harbhajan and pick ishant/umesh. Don't panic rest all are fine. Forget revenge, as long as England don't win this is series, India has won the revenge bcoz India won a series in eng in 2007 and England has not won here since 1984. All the best India, U have a great record at kolkata unlike wankhede in test matches.cheers!

  • kempvet on November 26, 2012, 8:14 GMT

    I have no idea why India fears the DRS - especially with spin bowling, the angles are so difficult to understand in real time, one of the reasons the SA-AUS test was a draw today is that the DRS reversed a couple of crucial umpiring mistakes which were show to be not out.

  • on November 26, 2012, 8:13 GMT

    Finally a true verdict of India's lack of quality. Millionaires thinking of only themselves, whereas the true team spirit of England was evident when the chips were down. Come on Indian fans; time for some somber reflection. Tendulkar is not even a county cricketer now and most of the players in that side wouldn't even get a look in in England. Indian cricketers are in the wilderness and the fanatic Indian support is not doing these guys now Indian cricket any favours.

  • blenheimfs on November 26, 2012, 8:12 GMT

    Congratulations to England. They have found two batsmen and two bowlers to get the job done on an alien surface. That should not disguise the fact that they need to re-think the 4 - 3 seam bowler mantra. India came to the UK in complacent mood in 2011 and now they have repeated the mistake because of England's previous record against spin in the subcontinent. Their batting is flaky with the exception of the new opener and their spinners aren't as potent as they thought. Generally speaking, these are two fairly balanced sides and the two remaining matches are eagerly anticipated. It will be interesting to see what type of surface is produced. If we get real "flatties", it will mean that India have acknowledged their frailty.

    On the whole, India have too many whose main concern is no longer Test Match cricket which is very sad for a great cricketing nation.

  • CricIsCrazy on November 26, 2012, 8:11 GMT

    Now Dhoni should insist on wickets on which India will be guaranteed a win.

  • VivtheGreatest on November 26, 2012, 8:08 GMT

    Dhoni and Yuvraj are certainly not Test players, they can neither play on fast tracks or turners, just flat track bullies. It also seems that the great Sachin's time is up and it would be a shame if he was dropped, better to quit as also Bhajji and Zaheer. The spin cupboard is so bare that there seems to be no one to replace Ashwin who doesnt deserve his place. The selectors have to take some hard decisions to prevent the Indian team from turning into an Old Boys Club , if ur gonna lose might as well lose with youngsters

  • cricketpurist on November 26, 2012, 8:07 GMT

    Thanks Dhoni for showing what our team is worth. Hey Fab4, dada,vvs,wall,jumbo we A lways keep Missing u. "THOSE WERE THE BEST DAYS OF MY LIFE"

  • cricketzo on November 26, 2012, 8:07 GMT

    Great performance by England. However England should not get carried away as they outplayed a very mediocre team. I say 'Mediocre' with lot of optimism that India will rise to the level of mediocrity from this abyss they are in. But for that to happen someone needs to fire current batch of BCCI captains. Truth is BCCI is a money making machine which has no interest in cricket and zero respect for ethics.BCCI chief owns a team which competes in IPL and is captained by the captain of Indian team.A selector, tipped to become chief selector(Mohinder Amarnath) voices concern over form of the same captain and is very promptly removed from selection committee itself.If there is no conflict of interest here then what can be termed as conflict of interest? We need a board which is interested in the game and has spine to take few difficult decision for the good of the game.And Sachin, with due respect,you have accumulated enough records, now pls let India win some matches.A very sad Indian Fan.

  • cricket-is-best on November 26, 2012, 8:07 GMT

    @deepak kumar..exactly and truely said ..what was dhoni thinking when he gave double the amount of overs to ashwin than harbhajan..he was afraid that (like the world cup20-20 match)if harbhajan managed to take some early wickets he will come to form and then he will have to drop ashwin for the rest of the series...very biased captaincy...look at cook who threw the ball first to monty, when graeme swan was their frontline spinner..although in the england team management,swan is the priority spinner, cook showed more faith on monty and gave him the confidence, and result showed.india is in bad hands under dhoni's biased captaincy.why on earth did u play harbhajan when u give him to bowl only when batsmen are in full flow...?????

  • on November 26, 2012, 8:04 GMT

    Well, my dear fellow Indian cricket fans, we lost the second test match in Mumbai. Yes, you heard it right. Mumbai, India, our own backyard, on a spinner friendly pitch. We were out bowled and out batted. Monty Panesar, who could not find a place in this England team some time ago, took 11 of the Indian wickets. He would have taken more but sadly for him someone else had to bowl from the other end as well. If it was a fast bowler, I could understand but an English spinner. Such a thing has not been heard since Hitler single handedly bowled India out in a friendly post Second World War match. You got to be kidding would be the first thought. Combined tally of all the Indian spinners was 9 wickets. So what went wrong would be the logical question but it is not. Logical question is what is wrong with Indian cricket? We were supposed to beat this English team 4-0 to avenge the drubbing we took in England last summer. Surely the God/goddess of cricket is on our side since we generate 70%

  • Atifkhan3489 on November 26, 2012, 8:03 GMT

    I am pakistani and fan of indian team.I think dhoni is over dependent on ashwin.he is not a good test cricketer.ojha has performed well but no one has supported him.time to replace sachin with rahane.i think sachin has played his cricket.every one has to leave so as sachin.3 home test series are upcoming and rahane should cement his place.it is also best time to replace dhoni.he is not a test cricketer.

  • sachinisawesome on November 26, 2012, 8:02 GMT

    @Imteaz Tishad Why don't u worry about u r own team who has just been whitewashed by WI. Here is your team's record in Test Cricket. Played 73 Tests, winning only 3. first victory was against a young and inexperienced Zimbabwe team, which was hit by a player crisis and the other two were against a West Indian team crippled by a players' strike. Of the 63 matches it has lost, 35 were by an innings.

  • NLS1 on November 26, 2012, 8:02 GMT

    For sometime Indian team batting has shown that it is incapable of handling swinging ball at pace, especially with the fading of its all-time great batting stars. Their bowling during the same time has reduced from average to pedestrian. Now comes the final nail in the coffin - inability to handle even spin bowling. The decline is complete. I am an Indian supporter and have been bothered by stupid, over-the-top predictions from some Indian fans about a 4-0 drubbing of England. With English bowling set to get even stronger with potential replacement of Broad with Finn in the next two tests, Indian batting has no where to hide. Just wondering what the selectors will do with badly performing Tendulkar, Dhoni and Zaheer not to speak of youngsters like Virat and Yuvraj. These players have not performed for about 15 tests now, will they wait for 15 more before deciding on them?

  • on November 26, 2012, 8:01 GMT

    I think India just thought they could turn up and that England couldn't play spin so our spinners could roll over their fingers and England would collapse..Ojha and Ashwin are young and have to learn that application and patience is needed...Dhoni blames the spinners..how abouts our batsmen..they looked clueless against the spin..how come Tiwary,Badrinath,Rahane or Sharma aren't getting a chance..and Dhoni is a liability..he's a bad wicketkeeper and whens the last time he did anything with the bat..The BCCI are reactive rather than proactive..Dhoni,Tendulkar and Yuvraj are passengers in the side..the new guard should be given a chance..maybe that will change only after we lose this series

  • drnaveed on November 26, 2012, 8:01 GMT

    congratulations to the england side on winning the test match, they proved so many of us wrong by winning the test. i think , in the 1st test they had a totall ywrong selection of the final eleven that cost them the match.monty should have been in the side,it was apoor judgement on the part of the management,their is no place for patel, broad in this side .bring in bopara , finn if he is fit.bell should also sit out. well for the indian team, they won on a flat pitch without turn and bounce, when a turning pitch was provided to them on demand of the captain, they lost comprehensively. england have a definite edge on india as far is spin bowling is concerned,in this series.tendulkar should decide about his future ,sooner the better.no doubt he was the best batsman , but, i am afraid .............not any more.

  • bravetigersmustwin on November 26, 2012, 8:00 GMT

    Congrats england team .... Awesome batting by Cook and KP ... Its really impressive the way English came back after teh 1st test... Cook will be a great role model and KP is the favourite to all nations...

  • Valavan on November 26, 2012, 8:00 GMT

    @Solid_Snake, the lessons learned, Rehman will be a weaklink once England have prospered against Ojha, England's stubborn lead to downfall in UAE, but their flexibility and willing to cope up won against India and SL. cricinfo please publish.

  • Milonedru on November 26, 2012, 7:58 GMT

    A good lesson for MS. U wanted turning track ha!! U got turning pitch! Got 3 specialised spinners & a couple of partimers! U won the toss! And lost the test like Bangladesh did against West Indies. Can india play IPL??? Then look @ CLT20. A copied joke: IPL teams lost in CLT20 because they have only 4 foreign players each & other teams have 11 foreign players.

  • CricketingStargazer on November 26, 2012, 7:58 GMT

    India, with one or two honourable exceptions, were awful. England were accused of playing bits-and-pieces players, so one wonders what Ravi Ashwin is. Is is meant to be a bowler, but seems to play exclusively on his merits as a batsman. Harbhajan Singh was a pretty good bowler some years ago, but seems well past his sell-by date and the much-vaunted Indian expertise at playing spin, seemed absent. For the 3rd Test England still have a lot of improvement to make. It is inconceivable that Broad can play when his skipper can't even trust him with the new ball and it is yet possible that Bell will be favoured over Bairstow. Presumably now, England will be presented with a green seamer in the 3rd Test as India's only hope of getting back into the series! Maybe, just maybe, that presumption that India would win 4-0 on the part of players and fans was an error, heaping pressure on a struggling side?

  • drnaveed on November 26, 2012, 7:57 GMT

    congratulations to the england side on winning the test match, they proved so many of us wrong by winning the test. i think , in the 1st test they had a totall ywrong selection of the final eleven that cost them the match.their is no place for patel, broad in this side .bring in bopara , finn if he is fit.bell should also sit out. well for the indian team, they won on a flat pitch without turn and bounce, when a turning pitch was provided to them on demand of the captain, they lost comprehensively. england have a definite edge on india as far is spin bowling is concerned,in this series.tendulkar should decide about his future ,sooner the better.no doubt he was the best batsman , but, i am afraid .............not any more.

  • spinkingKK on November 26, 2012, 7:57 GMT

    I think its time to send away the best mates, Tendulkar and Harbhajan, for good. Their time is up. Bring in Manoj Tiwary in place of Tendulkar and find a proper spin bowler in place of Harbhajan. Tendulkar may prove me wrong in the next test by scoring a century. But, if he did so, he still won't be proving me wrong exactly. Because, I am calling for his axe, only because I don't believe that he can continue on and perform consistently and be a force anymore. I did support bringing back Harbhajan originally. I thought he will be hungry to perform and being a former champion bowler, it was the right thing to exploit that hunger. However, he has disappointed us very badly. So, that should be it for him. Before the test series began, I did predict it is going to be England winning by 1 test margin. I predicted that because, I knew that Tendulkar and Sehwag are going to continue on for the whole series, Dhoni is not going to change, selectors can't look beyond Ashwin and Ojha etc etc.

  • S.Seshachalam on November 26, 2012, 7:57 GMT

    We have brushed aside all our earlier debacles all these years!! But now it is time for immediate action without any delay.Sack the coach and captain. Drop all the non performers ( including the great star who is yet to think of retirement at 39!!). Let's have a new look Indian team for 3rd and 4th tests. Come on chairman of selection committee. Act right now and create accountability in our cricketing system. BCCI....please note immediate actions!

  • baskar_guha on November 26, 2012, 7:56 GMT

    Before the fans bury India and glorify England, lets remind ourselves that the series is tied 1-1 with two matches to go. England have to continue to play out of their skins to win the series. They well may, in which case they would be deserving winners. However, what is more likely India doing better than England on less lethal tracks from here on.

  • din7 on November 26, 2012, 7:56 GMT

    where are those indian fans commenting here 4-0? i cant see any1......oh might be their words have changed. Despite being an indian im so happy with todays loss. well done england u showed india their true place. lots of my indian collegues were of opinion that series will be 4-0 i india's favour, but eng have shut those voices...and also of dhoni's(want more turning tracks msd?)face it guys we aren't good enough to be good test side...sachin shld have retired after WC11..but just cause of some commercilisation of game he's overstayin and nothin else face the truth... but i dontm mind he shld stay more to help india lose more matches..im reapeating my question of 1st line? is any1 here...huhuhu.....

  • on November 26, 2012, 7:55 GMT

    Why noone is willing to accept & get over the fact that it's a bad phase of Indian cricket and instead just throwing harsh words and mindless taunts? I mean come on, Australia went through bad time (2-0 in india two times in a row, lost vs south africa at home...even New Zealand drew a test series vs them in Australia). England were beaten at home and away (even by the Indian team, dont forget) before reaching this strong phase. So, why is it only Indian team given such terrible comments? You guys have to learn the reality of sports, all good teams go through good and bad phases, and a few teams at any time look a class apart (e.g. England & SA right now, before that India & SA, and earlier Australia), and a few teams going through tough phase look a bit ordinary than the past (e.g. India and or NZ & SL perhaps, before that it was Australia also West Indies, and earlier it used to be England too)..it's all about times changing, and they change over & over.

  • moBlue on November 26, 2012, 7:54 GMT

    people, don't lose your heads! i am talking to so-called IND "fans" - of the fairweather variety!

    when IND lost the first test in SA, oh, 2 or 3 years ago, by an inning and 200-plus runs, y'all screamed bloody murder and wanted to burn effigies! yet, IND beat SA at durban and had the upper-hand throughout and nearly won the third test [of the 3-test series in SA] except for the redoubtable kallis saving the game with an amazing second century in the test when he was hurt! i am sure none of y'all expected *that* fight-back from IND!!!

    similar things have happened many times in the past decade. when sachin scored 10 and 10 and IND followed on in kolkata in 2001, he was liberally abused by the fairweather fans of IND and none of y'all expected that he would score a crucial ton in the following test at chennai against the all-conquering oz, but i remember that he did!!!

    so keep your heads. all is not well with the ENG batting, k? ...and all is not wrong with IND batting! we shall see...

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on November 26, 2012, 7:52 GMT

    It doesn't matter even if somehow we win (highly improbable) the series against England. Our team has too many passengers and they should be booted out immediately, regardless of whether we win this series or not. Will we learn???? NO. Let's drop Statchin from the next match. Shall we??? Rahane comes in. Period! Let him fail, fall, take it on the chin, get up and learn. That's better than the eyesore grandpa Statchin scratching around for pincodes.

  • Bobby_Talyarkhan on November 26, 2012, 7:51 GMT

    India fans are now beginning to get the message. Only constant humiliation will bring our selectors and administrators to their senses. We must look forward to further crushing defeats now at home and dhoni breaking all records for the most defeats for an india captain and india's slide down to 6 or 7 in the rankings before something is done to nurture first class and test cricket and traditional cricketing virtues (patience, technique, respect for the traditions and spirit of the game) in india,

  • Valavan on November 26, 2012, 7:50 GMT

    @maady20,@cptmeanster, you were among those who predicted about English cricketer dancing for indian spinners, ofcourse about Ashwin and Ojha, Now you see hard work and bit of luck is enough to win. Dhoni got a turner and paid the penalty for it. Playing to strength is OK. But doctoring pitches or demanding to doctor is not fair. I dont think Strauss or ECB could ask respective county boards to doctor the pitches. It was underprepared indians who got trapped there. Play and win in the surface given especially test matches. Talking about revenge. I wish England to do more hardwork and put the team right for Kolkata test. cricinfo please publish.

  • UKFIX on November 26, 2012, 7:49 GMT

    Well done England, India must realize that they don't have bowlers like Saeed Ajaml or Abdur Rahman. Its going go be more killing for India if the keep on playing wickets like this. Dhoni knows he or some other players cant play fats bowling but now what about spinners. Monty and Swan did a great job. India get ready for more surprises. And don put everything on Umpires, its BCCI who refused to use DRS.

  • anver777 on November 26, 2012, 7:47 GMT

    What spinners Monty & Swann did for Eng, Ind spin trio couldn't do for Ind in very familiar conditions !!!! not a good sign for Ind cricket on spin friendly pitches !!!!

  • ashekahmed on November 26, 2012, 7:46 GMT

    india should play only one day and T-20 formats.they are humiliating test cricket as they are not capable to play test format.i think icc should take necessary actions against india to save the quality of test cricket.

  • Nutcutlet on November 26, 2012, 7:45 GMT

    Fine sportsmanship shown by several regular Indian posters here: Dravid_G, Cpt.Meanster, indianpunter & others. I have thoughts about where India should go from here, but I would point out to all Indian supporters that you have two young players you can be really proud of: Cheteshwar Pujara & Pragyan Ojha. Both have glittering futures if fate is kind to them. The English pundits (Beefy, Bumble, Gower, Nick Knight & Nass commentating from W. London using the BCCI telecast) were all of the opinion that SRT should play out the remainder of the series! Don't believe them - they are being mischievous, even cheeky, because they know that so long as SRT is playing, England have his wicket gifted to them with little or no delay! Be careful when yr opponents begin to play at being Indian, with Indian hearts & unclear heads. I think he should go, but I also think that Dhoni is out of love with Test cricket. How can he captain a side when neither his heart nor his head is in the contest? BW2all.

  • on November 26, 2012, 7:45 GMT

    This loss should make everyone realize how important Dravid and Laxman were to Indian cricket. Irrational fans worshipped and continue to worship Tendulkar with little justification. Dravid and Laxman were the true match-winners and match-savers. Sachin was great, but is now is simply past his sell by date, surviving due to the generosity of spineless selectors. At least Dravid and Laxman were graceful enough to retire and make way for youngsters. Pujara is a great replacement for Dravid. Kohli will come good with time. We need another hungry and disciplined batsman like Rahane to replace Sachin. Rahane is also an excellent fielder.

  • India_Rules_Everybody on November 26, 2012, 7:45 GMT

    Absolutely hilarious to watch all the Pakistani and BD fans coming out here and celebrating the English win here. Just goes to to show how big of an inferiority complex they have from India. Love it!! Just one Test defeat and they are practically celebrating like their own teams won.. Oh wait, they will not know cause their teams never can beat India! :))

  • Cannuck on November 26, 2012, 7:45 GMT

    Wow. Are these supposed to be the MASTERS of spin? Sp this is what they mean by asking for trouble. MS asked for spinning wickets, and he got one that spun his whole team out. Thank you POMS, at least this should keep some of the INDIAN fans from commenting/flaming on other test matches. As a SL fan I can only hope this humble pie would make "some" of them realize that putting the cart before the horse never works! Put your stat book down and get your own house in order before criticizing others. Cricinfo, please publish!

  • DINESHCC on November 26, 2012, 7:43 GMT

    BREAKING NEWS: Sachin Tendulkar ruled out the rumours of his retirement plan and announced that he will play till the 2019 WC. He is very proud to say that he is capable of playing at least 6 deliveries in every test. In the first two tests against England he played more balls than Ricky Ponting, Zaheer Khan, Morne Morkel, Tino Best and P.Ojha. Raina, Kohli and Gambhir announced that they will take revenge of England's 3-1 victory over India in the 2016/17 Series. Ashwin announced that he will introduce a new delivery which may either go for six or caught and bowled on a no ball, in the 2016/17 series against England. Sehwag announced that he will not change his game style and continue to play in the same manner and give a good start for the opponent team. Gambhir said one cannot ignore his contribution made for India against Newzealand and Zimbabwe in the year 2001. Our fans said Best of Luck India for early demise of Cricket.

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on November 26, 2012, 7:41 GMT

    I really don't understand why some of my countrymen are so surprised with this defeat. Listen my fellow Indians, good teams learn from their mistakes. Look how they dropped Bres and brought in Monty immediately. Will we drop Statchin from the next match and bring in Rahane???? Think!!!! Will we???? NO. It will be a national disaster or tragedy if we did. That's what our team is. Will we drop Harbhajan and bring in Rahul Sharma???? NO. That's what our team is. Will we drop the spineless and clueless Gambhir (hell bent on not farming the strike and not trying for some extra crucial runs while he was with tailenders) and bring in Manoj Tiwary or Badrinath???? NO. What about Zaheer Khan???? Why can't he control himself from the slogging until the specialist opener (Gambhir) gets dismissed????? This is our team and look at how Steyn, Kleinveldt and Morkel batted against Australia. IS DHONI CUT FOR TESTS, TO START WITH???? Where is Rayudu???? Where is Dinesh Karthik???? Please publish....

  • on November 26, 2012, 7:40 GMT

    Also, unfortunately most of our public only like to support the team when it's doing well, else like to jump in the band wagon at the bad times. It's sad when your own people don't stand by the team's side at their bad times, yet expect instant glory.

    Thing is, IPL stars do ruin the team a bit, and also, teams like England and South Africa are the ones who are the masters of the game right now, which is good to see teams interchanging positions at the top, we are just used to one team dominating the game (Australia for the previous decade), so every time a team reaches rank 1 people expect the same from them & even 1 mistake and they jump into cirticism & rubbish comments.

    As far as the Indian team is concerned, we as the supporters just need to give the players some time, we have good players in the wings, they need to settle in. Also hope for the management to make better & solid decisions in the future, team will improve again.

  • sachinisawesome on November 26, 2012, 7:40 GMT

    The most humiliating thing is that I don't see any fight in Indian team anymore like there used to be when Dada was captain. And when Dhoni first took captaincy. It is really hard to support a team who is playing 20% of their real potential. Nobody wants to do the job. People hailed Pujara's innings but in first test as well he should have scored quickly when he was playing with tailenders. But his excuse was that he hates to get out. He should put the team first. And in this innings gambhir was giving strike to ojha when he should have taken 80% of the strike. There was no effort from his side to take a single on the last ball and get the strike for the next over. And there is no point talking about other senior players. It's one thing to have a bad phase but when u r this talented u should at least fight. And I agree 327 was a match winning score in 1st inn. but Indian spinners were pathetic. There is something seriously wrong in Indian dressing room. And Dhoni should be dropped.

  • Scratchingtendulkar on November 26, 2012, 7:40 GMT

    I think massive credit to Alastair Cook. Not just for his wonderful batting, but for his management of the KP affair. I believe KP's reintegration is much to do with Cook's intervention and you could see the mutual respect between these two men in their moments at the crease together (not to mention KP's praise of Cooky after the match). Cook is a new Captain and much can and will happen over his career, but he has made a very impressive start in every aspect.

  • moBlue on November 26, 2012, 7:39 GMT

    yes, hindsight is 20-20, but i remember telling a friend - after watching ojha and especially ashwin against NZ - that i did not think we had match-winning spinners at home against better quality spin players. i was thinking of SA, not ENG, but my suspicions were correct. ashwin is good only for ODI's. off-spinning is an art where the bowler "sets up" the wicket over a period of time... watch swann [who is not nearly as good as ajmal or murali, but still...] who is very accurate and bowls to a plan! ashwin bowls 3 or more types of balls in every over, and he never has a vicious turner for an off-spinner!!! *that* is useless bowling in test cricket! if you have a ball that turns hard and then you sneak in a straighter one with a similar action, well, then you give yourself a chance, but you still need to be accurate everytime! ashwin has none of those skills and even i can read his carrom ball!

    ojha is good by the same token. he has all those strengths and he'll get better with time.

  • UsmanAnsari on November 26, 2012, 7:39 GMT

    can't believe Dhoni purposely landed on the track with 3 specialist spinners and the match ended in England's favor in just 3 days and a few hours with two England spinners taking 19 wickets and demolished India in India on a spin friendly track!

  • Mitch1066 on November 26, 2012, 7:36 GMT

    Also andyzaltmann hair what do you know about cricket other then being armchair fan this commentators actually played game to high level which I bet you ain't ! Plus monty is not mediocre ! Also if England are so poor why we got four bowlers in top twenty bowling ranking India do not ! And that goes all three formats . I think people need let England have there victory we outplayed India at home for first time in twenty odd years so that good. I personally think India have too many liabilities at minute with sehwag and gambhir misfiring when on there day are top opening partnership least you have those two youngsters kolhi and other guy who you can build team Round sachin should retire

  • Valavan on November 26, 2012, 7:36 GMT

    @English Fans, Lets celebrate the victory but not by annoying those sets of indian fans who always provoked or predicted this and that. Its really important win for us, now we must progress on that direction, i feel england learnt the lesson back in UAE for being complacent. This is a deserved victory and i shall go to bar after the working day. cricinfo please publish.

  • binojpeter on November 26, 2012, 7:34 GMT

    Well played England. Can't get any better. As I have always stressed in this forum, I again tell my fellow Indian fans, do not raise Ashwin and Ojha to level they are not, based on performances against NZ and WI. After retirement of Kumble, we are struggling to find a good replacement. We can only hope that Ashwin and Ojha develop into reasonable spinners. But they need to be more disciplined, know how to vary the pace depending on the situation. They need to do lot more to adapt to the different pitches, different batsmen. Rahane should get a look in. Mishra should have been brought in place of Harbhajan. Ojha bowled with lot of heart but Ashwin is erratic in his length. Fact is that other than Ashwin, I don't see any good offspinners in domestic circuit. Only 2 names that comes to my mind is Sunny Gupta and Jalaj Saxena. But both have averages of above 35. So I don't know it would be right to consider them at this point of time.

  • on November 26, 2012, 7:32 GMT

    First Congrats Team England.. No wonder If England beat India by 1-3 in this series. We were lucky to win the first match, otherwise it would have been another 0-4 whitewash, but this time in India. Can anyone please tell me why still Sachin is in the team? My only hunch is, Jacques kallis is the only serious threat to break Sachins' Test career record. Now what type of pitch do India need for next match?????

  • crzcric on November 26, 2012, 7:32 GMT

    They said they want spinning wicket look what happened.Now they are complaining to umpires LOL. India is the only team refuse DRS so dont bring such lame excuses.There is more coming for india. The only way they can survive is create more flatter pitches where any bowlers get nothing. them if they are lucky enough they will be able to draw next matches

  • on November 26, 2012, 7:31 GMT

    Indian team has had a serious shortcoming- and its that of pure, basic cricketing skill. First they could not play pace and swing, now they can't play spin as well. They are never renowned for being bloody minded and determined- the way Cook was in Ahmedabad- and their batsmen only seek personal glory and records. Us Indian fans also play a big part for this mindset. Unless we recognise Cricket as a team game with an all round emphasis on bowling, batting and fielding, we'll keep coming a cropper against top sides. The golden days of Dravid, Laxman, Tendulkar (younger!) and Kumble seems so far behind. The last name is often forgotten- a proof of our singing paeans only for batsmen!

  • yorkslanka on November 26, 2012, 7:30 GMT

    well done to England on a superb win..This really was a thrashing and its nice to see some indian fans being sporting and congratulating England..Unsuprisingly the one who decreed a series whitewash and England batsmen dancing to the spin of the legendary Indian spinners are nowhere to be seen, maybe their busy eating that slice of humble pie... Great effort from Monty and the best way he could have answered the selectors on his omission from the first test...

  • on November 26, 2012, 7:30 GMT

    ICC should reconsider India's Test Status.they should only play t20!there should be a 2nd tire in Test Arena.where India,New zeland,Zimbabwe,Bangladesh and Ireland will play with each other.India bad in home,wrost in Abroad.

  • Deepankar.Mukherjee on November 26, 2012, 7:30 GMT

    There's been a wave of hatred towards the Indian team ever since they got into the limelight from around 07-08 due to various obvious & mysterious reasons.

    There is a way of saying everything. In this case, you can either say "Oh this team is so terrible, incidental kings," & all that, or you could speak with more civilization.

    The reality is, it's not about being only good in home, every team is better at home. But the fact is that the Indian team sadly isn't that good right now as compared to 2007-2011 & the Gary Kirsten era.

    Also, in international sports a team cannot be the best for some time by incident. It's true a lot of things favoured India from 07-11 (Gary kirsten & dhoni being great, seniors & openers peaking) But , one will also have to admit that a lot of things have gone wrong in the past year (like Dhoni losing his charm, seniors reaching the end & retiring, Ashwin being overrated so much & back-firing and to be frank,Duncan fletcher's style doesn't seem right to me)

  • flavoidastic on November 26, 2012, 7:29 GMT

    The two most hilarious comments by Dhoni "When two best sides are playing, series are close".I wonder if he was following the Aus vs SA match and was referring to it. "Yes I am disappointed with our spinners".I wonder when will he talk about team's batting. But if we go by history, India always bounce back after criticism so they will come back and people will start praising them as heroes again!

  • makeshift on November 26, 2012, 7:29 GMT

    Congratulations to England. That was a professional performance in all areas. India were blown off even after they decided to use their third spinners HS.

    Will Tendulker now retire gracefully and give a youngster an oportunity

  • moBlue on November 26, 2012, 7:29 GMT

    the IND team of yore (i am talking only a few years ago!) used to fight back ferociously when trounced... they had self-pride. yes, dravid and laxman were two fighters, for sure! the last IND team to tour SA - which lost the first test by an inning and several hundred - and then won in durban and nearly won at tabletop mountain (but for the heroics of the awesome kallis in both innings) is an example, from not too long ago...

    i wonder if this "new" IND team can show some character in the next test? i hope so! dhoni needs to go though, sooner than later... i hope they get dinesh karthik in! [that unfortunate dude whom the selectors always overlook scored a century as an opener *in* SA, for crying out loud!!!] rahane should play in yuvraj's place, and yadav in ashwin's (or bhajji's) place in the next test...

    yes, stick to a turner again please. with fire in their bellies, we still would have a better shot at home on a *fast-turning* bouncy track than on one with pace and bounce.

  • haq33 on November 26, 2012, 7:29 GMT

    Now be honest England, this whole kp twitter-gate thing was Andy flower's idea just to get kp riled up for the India tour. Well done you!

  • Solid_Snake on November 26, 2012, 7:28 GMT

    Can India repeat what Pakistan did to England ie 72 all out.. I doubt about it..It takes Class of Ajmal & Rehman to achieve something like that. England would be home soon with all wickets in hand :P Indian batsmen lions only at their home.But in this match something different happened.Lions got thrashed on their own home ground.

  • DINESHCC on November 26, 2012, 7:27 GMT

    England lost to Pakistan 3-0, drawn the series against SL 1-1 and going to win the series in India 3-1 (It should have been 4-0). By mistake in one session they have not played well.

  • dock_haul on November 26, 2012, 7:26 GMT

    @ AndyZaltzmannsHair ,really enjoyed reading your analsis :)

  • on November 26, 2012, 7:26 GMT

    the difference is we are able to find replacement for Dravid. But no saviour to replace Mr VVS Laxman who would have done wonders at that level. we need to get a leg spinner in for the next test.

  • on November 26, 2012, 7:25 GMT

    I feel Elated that the IPL Papers Tigers have fallen like a pack of cards. Time to STOP IPL & get back to real crickets-1st Class & Test, where real character of men is exhibited . Thanks Alistar Cook for showing the mirror to the much vaunted greedy team on Earth.

  • YorkerStump on November 26, 2012, 7:25 GMT

    Loving all the comments and reactions from both sides...yet there's always one person, who has to put down the ethnicity card to justify his outrage and made up belief that the England team only won due to "foreign imports".

    @ Afzal M Faridi, I'll have you know that Pietersen's mother is English, which makes him English by blood and that he went through all the channels to qualify for the England team. Also, Monty was born and raised in Luton, Bedfordshire, England which makes him a through and through Englishman. So your argument is invalid and pathetic. You are just a bewildered fool clinging onto a facade that has no place for cricket discussion.

    Anyway, back to the real topic of discussion. Overly delighted to see England pull a fantastic win with every bit of chance going against them, but to the boys that put in an exceptional performance, drink merrily and prepare harder for the last two tests.

    As for India, take time in evaluating what needs to be done and make the calls.

  • on November 26, 2012, 7:25 GMT

    India has been outplayed in all departments of the game by a better side...time to stop whining,pick up the pieces and get back to the drawing board..which is not to say that there would be another whitewash..there's a reasonable chance of drawing the next few tests,maybe even getting a win if pensioners/passengers like Sachin now at least decide to enjoy the game from the commentary box,alongside Rahul/Saurav,instead of keeping on hoping that the bowlers will show him mercy,for old times sake...this is a war where there are no prisoners taken,and its time,Sachin, to wake up and smell the coffee..in your time you made us proud,and we're still proud of you, but please give a chance to the likes of Rahane, Murli Vijay etc..they represent the future...

  • on November 26, 2012, 7:24 GMT

    Ohh mine this post Warne, Mcgrath and co era is interesting......both Australia (very competitive if not awesome), England(good) and South Africa(good+) are fighting for the cherished number 1 spot.....well these teams should play against India and the rest of the mediocre teams to get some good match PRACTICE :P

  • achin29 on November 26, 2012, 7:23 GMT

    Ihe Indian team is in a sorry state of affairs. To lose a home test after winning the toss, coming on the back of a 9-wicket win, against a team that has lost it's last four test matches in conditions that assist spin is nothing short of an embarassment. The worst thing is that after losing this series, which is not an impossibility, the lessons will not be learnt. Nothing will change.

  • DINESHCC on November 26, 2012, 7:23 GMT

    Even after humiliating defeat that too at home ground, our fans may say some excuses 1. Absence of DRS, Cook is actually out but Zaheer Khan is not out 2. Yadav not played 3. Pitch become flat when England Batting and turned as bowling pitch when India played 4. Failure of Ashwin (even though the 2nd highest scorer for India in both the innings) 5. Monty Panesar is an Indian 6. Umpiring errors of Aleem Dar 6. Pujara not played at the expected level in the 2nd innings 7. England players frquently running on the danger area 8. Expected England to drop the catches but they had taken it neatly. 9. Sachin Tendulkar failed in the 2nd innings (since when?) 10. Many of the Harbajhan's appeal was turned down by Aleem Dar. 11. BCCI had wrongly organized a test series with England instead of Bangladesh A team.

  • Nigah on November 26, 2012, 7:22 GMT

    It was not only the spinner in UAE when England were white washed there were the world class spinner (Ajmal & Rahman) not Ashwin & etc. So I advise BCCI first produce world class spinners then create turning tracks otherwise things goes against as right today.

  • rnd3 on November 26, 2012, 7:21 GMT

    Turban against a turban...! what a display from Eng. I wouldn't surprise India.. Keep it up IPL. You're made to breakdown other nations' test cricket, but falls victim on the very nation you're brought up!

  • thedreamer on November 26, 2012, 7:21 GMT

    In reply to GerrardLK: U cant hav a team of 11 Englishmen play n u talk about India... First look at your own Team who hav picked players from around the world (South Africa, INDIA, Ireland)." From a very loyal Indian fan"

  • on November 26, 2012, 7:18 GMT

    Now Dhoni will ask for spinning tracks only when India is bowing and flat tracks when India is batting. Even then I am not sure if India can bounce back from this humiliating defeat.

    May be India should lose the series so that the selectors are forced to make wholesome changes to the team.

  • ajithabey on November 26, 2012, 7:17 GMT

    28 wickets out of 30 falling to spinners on a test match Mumbai pitch and the match been over 3 plus days is stunning.Well done England for an allround performance to beat India on home soil.It's time that Sachin moves out gracefully and pave the way for younger players afterall there's nothing much to achieve for him personally as he has given his best to India and the world in all forms of cricket.I feel that the IPL whilst having the plusses have virtually killed the techniques of many cricketers who are now unable to cope with 50 over and test match cricket.Its time to re-think this whole concept as 20 over cricket was to introduce and promote the game of cricket to non-test playing nations.

  • bhrangi on November 26, 2012, 7:17 GMT

    @Espncricinfo : Get ready for 600 + comments.., Every time IND loses, there are cricket experts who were hidden when IND won will come out now and express their sense of humor / gr8 cricketing knowledge here. I guess Most of our beloved neighbors were almost ready to throw thrash on Indian team.

  • chishtyirfan on November 26, 2012, 7:17 GMT

    England played fantastic cricket throughout match. specially KP, Cook, Panesar & Swann. they outplayed India in every department. I hope India will bounce back, but sure it going to be good cricket in next two games.

  • on November 26, 2012, 7:15 GMT

    Ashwin cannot spin the bowl! He lives on his variations! Harbhajan had a better role in the attack! Ojha did well but he didn't have any support! After every day, Sachin has been disappointing. He hasn't scored even a fifty for the last few test matches. People are being too harsh on Kohli and other youngsters when seniors itself are not performing at all.

  • rnd3 on November 26, 2012, 7:15 GMT

    Normally Indian fans use to post 1000's comments if there was a win for mediocre India. But today (LOL) only 59. Its time for Grandpa Tendulcar to spend more time at home looking after his grandchildren. From a ecstatic Sri Lankan fan.

  • Harmony111 on November 26, 2012, 7:15 GMT

    A great win for England. They won after having several parameters against them. Cook and KP batted extremely well and that partnership really put Eng;land on top. After that Panesar bowled better than anyone expected and demolished the Indian batting in both the innings. I was watching the Oz-SA tets as well in parallel and could not help wondering why was no one in the India team able to bat like the debutant Faf De Plussis or like the injured Kallis or why was no one able to show the stamina or spirit of Siddle? Its all got to do with mental strength and nothing else. Here we have Yuvraj and Bhajji who after more than a decade of Intl cricket still can't bat or bowl and there we have Faf who is debuting and is yet scoring runs in both the innings and saving the match. Sreesanth, Umesh and Ishant are all as fast as Siddles and Pattinsons and Fins but none of them is a match winner as yet nor a permanent part of the team. Ishant in particular is a big failure. Well played Eng.

  • Crazy_Pk on November 26, 2012, 7:14 GMT

    Hey indians, do you remember what happened with you last year in Eng. Eng rolled you guys by 4-0. I remember at that time Indian media was crying on team Ind performance. Now today again it's time for crying for Ind media. Eng big victory over Ind Hahaha... Lion at Home become Cats ... Miyon Miyon...

  • kanjithem on November 26, 2012, 7:14 GMT

    What can India do now to arrest a downward spiral that started in England last year? In the short term, get the team to watch, ball by ball, the 2nd test between Aust and South Africa - it might give them an idea of what it is to play with pride. In the long term, get Kirsten back - this may be against BCCI principles and a slap in their face, but what are the priorities here? If this mediocrity goes on, crowd attendance will start waning. Once the commenrcial attraction disappears, Indian cricket will be nowhere.

  • on November 26, 2012, 7:13 GMT

    indian players should watch Aus Vs south africa match to learn how to play test. and how to play according to situation. this is why they (Aus & SA) are top teams tat too consistent team which always delivers in any situations ,

  • mixters on November 26, 2012, 7:12 GMT

    @sachin_equal_to_bradman just so you know sachin rated number 26 all time test batsman Bradman number 1 on the offical ratings. Thats not equal PS Ponting rated number 3 thats a lot closer than Sachin.

  • BeatTheChamps on November 26, 2012, 7:11 GMT

    Congratulations to the English team from an Indian. Everything was against them. No spinners faced in practice games, got proper turning pitches in the tests and lost both tosses. They didn't make excuses and did what they had to do out in the middle. Brilliant performance. Hope not to see the same Indian team in Kolkata.

  • challagalla on November 26, 2012, 7:10 GMT

    To all Indian fans, lets be gracious in defeat and accept we have been hoisted with our own petard. To lose on a spinning track after batting first and putting on a decent winnable total , its extremely disconcerting for a die hard Indian fan like me. That one belligerent knock of KP turned the match in Englands favour. Whats with captains this november. Clarke in Australia and now Cook here? The small but not insignificant runs by Prior and Patel should not be underestimated.I don't know where Indian spinners are heading. If you compare the classical economical action of Prassanna, Bedi, Venkatraghavan and the fastish offbreaks of Chandrasekhar [ polio affected arm ] with Bhaji and Ashwin today you wonder whats up. Sometimes it looks suspicious. Rahane and Tiwari should be brought in with Sehwag batting lower down. He is a natural middle order batsman forced to open. I doubt if India will go with 3 spinners next test. Either Ishan or Yadav should play. Drop Bhaji.

  • grizzle on November 26, 2012, 7:09 GMT

    Congratulations and well played to England from an Indian fan. Part of me wants to cringe and hide for the beating India took, and the other part to hoot and shout with joy at the fact that the better team, and the one that gives more of its energy to Test cricket, won.

  • Rockcut on November 26, 2012, 7:08 GMT

    Tendulkar just give up give a chance to the young you have had enough fame Just say good bye you know you cannot score anymore, face the truth

  • DINESHCC on November 26, 2012, 7:08 GMT

    I hope lot of lessons are learnt from this test match, not by our players but by our fans. Please know the strength of our team. It you still don't know the strength of our team, by the 3rd and 4th test you will come to know.

  • analyseabhishek on November 26, 2012, 7:08 GMT

    Indian team has had a serious shortcoming- and its that of pure, basic cricketing skill. First they could not play pace and swing, now they can't play spin as well. They are never renowned for being bloody minded and determined- the way Cook was in Ahmedabad- and their batsmen only seek personal glory and records. Us Indian fans also play a big part for this mindset. Unless we recognise Cricket as a team game with an all round emphasis on bowling, batting and fielding, we'll keep coming a cropper against top sides. The golden days of Dravid, Laxman, Tendulkar (younger!) and Kumble seems so far behind. The last name is often forgotten- a proof of our singing paeans only for batsmen!

  • on November 26, 2012, 7:07 GMT

    Whenever India cried for a turning pitch they were humiliated the same happened long time ago during SA series where India lost to SA mainly due to an average spinner Nicky Bhoje. Moreover Before asking turning track we should analyse our spinners quality and Batsman quality of playing spin, We don't have RD,VVS and Dada. Try to prepare flat track and draw the series 1-1. Gook luck India...

  • fr600 on November 26, 2012, 7:06 GMT

    Amazing to watch such a wonderful game. So happy and blessed. Life is good.

  • on November 26, 2012, 7:06 GMT

    Big win for England, especially since batting first on this track was a big advantage.

    Sets up the rest of the series nicely, England in the ascendancy but both teams are really dependent on a couple of in form batsmen for all their runs so it could go either way.

  • Samdanh on November 26, 2012, 7:05 GMT

    Some of us India fans were predicting win for India after India won toss, scored 327 in first innnings, stating that we could look forward to green track bullies dancing to the spin of the India spinners, and procession of England batsmen to pavilion, and so on. Quite the oppposte has been witnessed. It is sure going to be bitter to digest this crushing defeat, in conditions so advantageous to Indian team. Dreams of responding with a 4-0 victory in this series is already down the drain. Focus needs to be on improved show in upcoming matches with batting and bowling rather than laying too much focus on kind of pitches

  • on November 26, 2012, 7:05 GMT

    What happened to white-wash and all the great Indian spinners eh? Indian spinners are meant to be better than Murali, Mendis, Swan, Ajmal etc? Indian team, just like their players are overrated. Can't bat, bowl or field. India is no better than Canada.

  • on November 26, 2012, 7:03 GMT

    when u get done by a mediocre spinner in your own backyard, alarm bells should be ringing, but no they'll just ignore like the 4-0 drubbing against eng and Aus.

    the truth is india from their hierarchy down are not interested in test cricket.

  • on November 26, 2012, 7:03 GMT

    Congratulations England on a much deserved WIN !! ..... You thoroughly out-played us in every department of this match.... Cook, KP, Prior, Monty & Swann were AWESOME !!! - RESPECT from an Indian Fan :)

  • menonspeak on November 26, 2012, 7:03 GMT

    Defensive technique and application have gone for a toss in Indian cricket for quite some time.U can't play pace,u can't play spin, u can't play bounce then what can u play ? The answer is IPL!!! That's where Indian cricket has gone wrong and I'm afraid irreperably.The time has come for some hard descions regarding test team is concerned.Players like Pujara has to be found out and groomed properly and they should not be allowed to play in the IPL.Every time the Indian team is put under pressure they succumb.Seems like India forgot about Michael Clarke who got 6 for 18 on turning track!!!The sooner India adopts for DRS the better.I like to see india loose this series frankly...that will be for the good of Indian cricket.

  • on November 26, 2012, 7:02 GMT

    A terrific performance by Cook, KP, Swann and above all MONTY PANESAR. An underrated bowler, but has worked hard to achieve this. Dhoni has a point to ponder whether to demand a dustbowl at Kolkata or a flat pitch.

    The signs of a comeback from England were clearly seen from their display in the second innings at Ahmedabad. Its the first innings there that they lost the game.

  • Un_Citoyen_Indien on November 26, 2012, 7:02 GMT

    Well played England.....so you chaps did afterall manage to do what we couldn't in the UK last year.

    Kevin Pietersen is by far my favourite batsman at the moment. I especially love that he is such a show pony and that it takes adversity and a grand stage to bring out the very best in him. Sadly for us, an innings such as this is something which even Sachin has failed to play very often for India.

    Swanney is the best spin bowler I've seen since Warney. Murali, Ajmal and Saqlain with their (at best) controversial actions can't hold a candle to these two. As for Kumble.....well, great bowler though he was, I wouldn't really classify him as a genuine spin bowler. He simply didn't turn the ball enough for my liking.

    All in all, England have more players playing in their prime at present than have India and that explains their astonishing success of late. Pujara and Kohli are a couple of years away from being world beaters. Sadly, the bowling (apart from Yadav) still looks threadbare.

  • getsetgopk on November 26, 2012, 7:01 GMT

    What now? cant play spin, cant play seam and swing, welcome back the 90's hahaha. Yea Ashwin is a great spinner even better than Ajmal and has lots of mystery 'balls' lol Go back to IPL, there you wont loose. International scene is where players of quality and substance play not some wannabes. My man of the match was Monty.

  • Edassery on November 26, 2012, 6:58 GMT

    @Afzal M Faridi, Show some sports man spirit man. What a lame statement! They totally outplayed India and thanks to their total cricketing spirit. And they played with 11 British citizens (unlike the IPL story).

  • Romenevans on November 26, 2012, 6:58 GMT

    No need to panic yet, let Sachin's son make his debut with big daddy and then if we loose still we won't press the panic button because by that time sachin would be sitting on 1000 centuries against Bangladesh record. Dhoni is the best Captain in the world and his technique to play test cricket is outstanding. Next test match we can expect Sir Ravindra Jadesja to debut with the come back of Ashish Nehra and the scorching bowler The Vinay Kumar.

  • on November 26, 2012, 6:55 GMT

    England selectors take note: Panesar is the first choice spinner and once again he's proved it

  • on November 26, 2012, 6:55 GMT

    Wat an amazing show put up by England,they wre neva the favorite to win evn a test match on Indian soil..but thts the beauty of cricket!!Cook n KP stood tall n gave India the taste of thr own medicine...SPIN!!Tendulker is still a star n always will be. wat he has done fer his country is something out of this world but he is losing his form now..He must start thinking abt his future in cricket..Dhoni was gud wid his captaincy,I can say it because he has been winning matches wid this sort of strategy in recent years..rotating bowlers after every 2 or 3 overs to unsettle the batsman!!but this time the strategy has backfired due to some extra ordinary batting by Englishman on a tough Mumbai turning track..

  • Edassery on November 26, 2012, 6:53 GMT

    Congratulations England! This England win is better than some of the great wins by visiting teams. What a cracking test match! They outplayed India in planning, thinking and execution. For example, in the second innings only three of their mainstay bowlers bowled, that was enough. Had they used Patel or Broad, probably the target would have been 150.

    At the moment England is on a roll! They have only one or two question marks in their team - Broad and Patel mainly and perhaps Trott to some extend. The Indian TEST team at the moment is full of question marks!

  • asif.pavel on November 26, 2012, 6:52 GMT

    This is really shame for the Indians who with the hope to whitewash England at home ground made turning pitch favourable for their spinners. But alas! The turning pitch turned against them and they got such a slap on their face! Really I feel pity for them.

  • Rakputhran on November 26, 2012, 6:52 GMT

    It was a disappointing team performance. On day 1 apart from Pujara & Ashwin, other big names showed no intent. They were not ready to apply themselves in second innings. Any one of them didnt showed that fight or that will to hung in there & fight. When it comes to Indian spinners it seemed as if they were thinking they will put the ball there & the pitch will do the rest, the line they bowled was poor, especially Ashwin, down the leg side most of the time..Pietersen took maximum advantage. Mr. Dhoni, if you want to win 4-0 , you have to lift your performance. pitch & the conditions will start suiting you do that, if you won't do that you will be in for more humiliation at home.

  • ADI_GUNGALIYA_FANTASY on November 26, 2012, 6:51 GMT

    It was Dhoni Failure that make india lose. Bad Fielding Placement + Not picking any leg spinner + Ashwin not doing much.

    Sachin & bhajji were just unlucky. I have watch bhajji, there were too many close LBW appeal + Edge to shewag boot + edge to close-in fielder but no one there(i.e Bad Fielding placement). Sachin has looked good but outplayed by two good ball which might take anyone.

    So, Dhoni Failure not Bhajji & Sachin.

    Yuvi & Ashwin were bad in match. Kohli has to play his natural game.

  • on November 26, 2012, 6:49 GMT

    This is humiliating. After whitewash in England, this was yet to come..? Quality of Indian spin, better to say bowling, has been really pathetic in this match. Indian batsmen did what they are best in doing at times, collapse under pressure. Why India need a captain who has been a non-performer in tests ? No doubt he is good at ODI but not in test. Team India needs to come out from IPL zone.

    Peiterson and Cook have played innings of their life, which will be in memory of fans for a long time. Expecting a brutal come back from team India in next test.

  • cricket-is-best on November 26, 2012, 6:48 GMT

    Brilliantly played england..from an indian fan.cook must be credited for his captaincy..forget his batting.dhoni's overdependence on ashwin as bowler proved fatal as i feel ashwin is a better batsman than bowler.he included bhajji in this match not only to prove that he is not biased, but also to prove that bhajji is useless.i thought bhajji might have been more effective in this match had dhoni thrown up the ball to him first up and showed confidence in him..look at what cook did to monty.he gave him the ball before the WORLD-CLASS swan, and that confidence benifitted both monty and swan and the entire team. harbhajan is out of form for the last 20-odd matches.but at-least he gave everything for the 80 previous matches for india.ashwin is only 10 matches old,already starting to be read by teams.his bowling is overhyped n batting neglected.by no means,he is no1 spinner in india.ojha is a much proper spinner gramatically.

  • tropenhitze on November 26, 2012, 6:45 GMT

    Dhoni said during the presentation "When two best teams are playing, you can always expect close context".

    Someone please clarify, England is one best team that he was referring to, what's the other one? Any help would be highly appreciated.

    A team full of highly overrated players is not a best team at all.

  • on November 26, 2012, 6:45 GMT

    So much for a 4-0 revenge and big talks by Indians. Turning track demand openly by Indian captain and got spanking in their own backyard. Dhoni's excuses in Eng about the seaming wicket and in Aus fast tracks. Now what on a turning track, Kholi's big mouth before the series started. All fired right back at them, just luv it watching Indian media. It's the best felling when you see the power house (money power) going down. Also all the criticism Mr Tendulkar is receiving from all over the world, the so called god by Indians. Can describe the feelings in words, just love it.

  • ammad_ansari on November 26, 2012, 6:44 GMT

    Well done england....now india should know that its not about green pitches in england....its about team fighting, conviction and committment and india is seriously lacking those.

  • on November 26, 2012, 6:44 GMT

    Team India became the Victim of there own Trap , as they make spinner friendly Wickets

  • on November 26, 2012, 6:40 GMT

    So at has been shown in this Test Match that we cannot bat on spinning wicket prepared in our own back yard and we are aware how wary we are of fast and bouncy track...... where does that leave us....... Mr. Dhoni...

    There is a need of big changes in the team with Dhoni's head on the line... his last century was 15 innigs back and prior to that 32 innigs and we can forget about when he has made a hundred overseas...... other than subcontinent pitches...... people like sehwag, gambhir , sachin , dhoni, ashwin are just excess baggage in their current form..... wehre some new comer given a chance could have performed..... time to ponder isn't it ?

  • on November 26, 2012, 6:38 GMT

    Test Cricket back at its best..Australia still missing the guile of warne and killer instinct of Mcgrath..

  • AndyZaltzmannsHair on November 26, 2012, 6:38 GMT

    Dhoni talked of "two best sides competing closely" at the presentation ceremony. Haha... All I see is two average sides trying to outdo each other in mistakes. And lo in the space of one match Eng seem to have banished all their "spin" demons, or so the writers would have you believe, and India, well who cares, all this is just an early warm up for the IPL, nice of the Indians to be training so early. The most hilarious part is all the hypes and put downs which seem to contradict each other simultaneously. Somehow India are poor and great in their own backyard. Eng are now a fantastic spin playing team who struggle against spin. Cook and KP are master players of spin, but Inds attack is rubbish. Inds attack is great but Eng are just poor. There was a raging turner and a slow wicket happening at the same time. Tendulkar is past his prime but yet to find his best. Monty is better than Ashwin who is better than Ojha who is better than Swann who is better than Monty. Oh and the DRS...

  • kanjithem on November 26, 2012, 6:36 GMT

    India were what one would call "incidental heroes". There was a void, during which non of the superpowers had the capacity to be No 1. So, India put her hand up and became No 1 for a while - sort of caretaker kings. Now that the superpowers are back after resolving issues, India has to return to its rightfull place lower in the ranks. And from the events of this test, it is obvious that they will stay there for sometime. When the Indians were whitewashed in Aust, Gautham Gambir said that there were no worries because when the Aussies come to India, they (the Indians) will whitewash them in return. Yes Gautham, you and which army are going to do this? The English have come to your backyard, played on a traditional Indian wicket, and have taught you how to play test match cricket. And you reclkon that you will whitewash the Aussies!!!!!

  • on November 26, 2012, 6:35 GMT

    ~~CONTD. EVEN Ashwin and to some extent Ojha appear to be JADED in this Test, albeit the conditions suiting them ! Better to look for the youngish talents, say from U-19 or 21. Kohli & Yuvy, having NOT DONE anything to keep their image up, shd be rested for a game or two and others in the "Reserve" shd be fielded for Kolkata. Maybe to take a wicket-keeper/batsman so that Dhoni can captain the side with a tag of "Specialist" batsman. ALL THESE EXPERIMENTS ARE WORTH THE WHILE ON A SINGLE "TEST" BASIS and for the fourth & final, it is for the WISE MEN to come up with their Aces ??

  • landl47 on November 26, 2012, 6:35 GMT

    Great display by England; Swann and Panesar proved that they are at least the equal of India's spinners and Cook and Compton sensibly got after the bowling and made short work of chasing down 57. This article is a little unfair on England's batting; Prior has also looked good and Compton, though he hasn't made a big score, has taken part in a century and two 50+ stands for the first wicket in four tries. England's seamers haven't looked great, but on these wickets, what do you expect? As for India- where do they go from here? They had their turning wicket, they won the toss and they still lost by ten wickets. If Panesar had been picked for the first test, they might have lost that, too. The third and fourth tests should be very interesting.

  • AkDoN on November 26, 2012, 6:34 GMT

    Great win by ENG & a perfect eye opener for MSD and Team India. Really appreciate spin twins of ENG. Seems that IND was over confident after Ahmadabad test & paid the price. This series is now too much interesting.

  • on November 26, 2012, 6:32 GMT

    England showed India where they belong... Indian cricket is going downhill since WC 2011 and the worst thing is there is no hope in the future.. Too many problems - overrated openers who cannot bat outside subcontinent(even on indian pitches they are struggling), a superstar batsman who has surely passed his "sell by" date, Yuvraj at number 6(he is not a test match player..period),no fast bowlers & no world class spinners either(Ashwin is a batting all rounder who is well below the league of Swann & Ajmal) and worst of all a defensive captain who cannot bat in test matches, neither is he a world class wicketkeeper. Glory days of Indian cricket is a history now... Even if they win the series against Eng/Aus(which I doubt they will ), BCCI needs to take some corrective action to bring Indian cricket back on track.. - A sad Indian cricket fan :(

  • Sheela on November 26, 2012, 6:30 GMT

    Acceptded that it is easy to make comments sitting away from the boundary line or watching on TV. However Indians lacked the basics in cricket. Sound defence is essential in Test where the opposing tem is aiming to take wickets unlike one dayers where the aim is mainly restrict run scoring. Batsmen who get a start should conver this to a big score and bowlers have to be more accurate. In all these English team was definitely better. As for Dhoni he is a batsmean who can keep wickets. His defence is suspect and not scientific. He should not be playing TEsts wher better skills are needed.

  • GerrardLK on November 26, 2012, 6:29 GMT

    They have a population of '1.2' billion. They say cricket is their 'Religion'. They call their so called batsman as 'God'. They have the richest cricket board on earth called 'BCCI'. They have the most popular domestic league in cricket called 'IPL'. They dictate terms in ICC rules with 'Money & Power'. Having all these advantages with them; They still can't bat, bowl & neither they can field. This team is called 'INDIA'.

  • Night_Fury on November 26, 2012, 6:25 GMT

    as an indian fan, its very humiliating to be beaten like this without fight. Look at what SA is doing in Australia. For a change i believe that India deserved the rank on which they are placed now. Few batters need to go. Spinners are pathetic. In my life i am seeing 1st time foreign spinners bowling better that our crappy lot. and above this Dhoni says two best sides are competing. I think all India Fans should brace themselves for series loss here

  • on November 26, 2012, 6:24 GMT

    Indian batsman can't bat on seaming, swinging and turning tracks. Fast bowlers fails to get 20 wickets on seaming and swinging conditions, Spin bowlers can't take wickets quickly on rank turners. So wats left ? Indian team is good only for FLAT tracks where they can hit sixes and boundaries and fool Indian public by winning on those kind of pitches. Reality is Indian Cricket Team is full of mediocre and club players, they just have one international class player, Sachin Tendulkar and he too is well passed his expiry date.

  • Rockcut on November 26, 2012, 6:23 GMT

    Tendulkar the Great needs to go his old and reflaxes do not work. India need better fast bowlers ,which they have, also need better spinners , Ashwin needs to quicker and Ojha also , Harbajan i dont know

  • on November 26, 2012, 6:21 GMT

    Well played England, Great performance from them, they deserved to win.

    Something is seriously missing in the present Indian bowling attack, they don't seem to have a great plan in place, even though we won the first test.

    Also, it's high time to say good bye to fading stars and bring in some new talent and prepare for the future challenges.

  • on November 26, 2012, 6:19 GMT

    MSD was asking for a turning pitch. He got 1. and got deserved result....

  • jmcilhinney on November 26, 2012, 6:19 GMT

    I guess that settles the talk of a 4-0 result that some of the less reasonable India fans indulged in before the series and after game 1. That's a very impressive effort from England that, while not necessarily a full team effort, will boost the belief of every member of the squad that they can succeed in the subcontinent. Cook seems to have come to terms with, perhaps even mastered, conditions and KP was probably always the one most likely to succeed. Prior has also looked good and probably could have scored more this game but for that tragic run out and Compton is showing some good signs too. Swann and Monty are obviously priceless with the ball too. If England can get contributions from one or two more batsmen and another paceman besides Anderson then they could well be on track to win this series. India need more from several players, including Kohli, Ashwin and especially Tendulkar. Given how fans can turn, it would be a shame if he retired being blamed for losing this series.

  • Samdanh on November 26, 2012, 6:19 GMT

    Gambhir, Kohli were crying hoarse for spinning tracks before the series began. Dhoni followed with open demands for tracks that spin from day one, as if he did not have confidence on his batsmen and bowlers and India had to depend only on pitches, to win matches. No other captain in the world makes such demands. Now, what kind of a pitch will or can India play on to win, in India? India commentators and Ravi Shastri included sounded so confident of India winning once the toss was won! Yes, advantage was so much with India when they won the toss. Imagine what would have happened had England won the toss in Ahmedabad. Well England has grounded to dust India's fancy of revenge. This is no more going to be a reverse of 4-0 smack that India received in England. England has done better by miles right in the second test despite losing the toss on a track that spun from ball one. India has to look inwards and improve their batting and bowling to compete well in the remainder of the matches.

  • on November 26, 2012, 6:17 GMT

    Now that's called a remarkable English fight back! India finished the previous game on the final day whereas a fittingly compromising answer has been produced by the English taking the game away from India within the first 2 sessions on day 4.

  • PravinJP10 on November 26, 2012, 6:16 GMT

    From an indian fan : Very well played by poms. Credit should be to Panesar and Swanny who bowled well with accurate pace to pick up wickets. In this match undoubtedly English spinners were far better than Indian spinners. KP is the lethal weapon that poms have in their Arsenal. Well done guys. Indian bowlers need to look at English spinners and try to bowl at better pace to take the series. overall it was an awesome test match.

  • on November 26, 2012, 6:15 GMT

    Complete & utter embarrassment for every Indian who is a cricket follower. On one hand we see South Africa where Kallis comes at no.9 scores fifty & saves a follow on & on the other hand we see Indian performance. No one even could get a double digit score except for 2 players.

  • Cric_lover1234 on November 26, 2012, 6:15 GMT

    this is the bitter truth, india has lot to do to be back in this game, i mean cricket.....or they can play two.tree seasons of IPL for a year.....dont talk about those decisions for god sake, beacuse however indians were gonna loose the game at that time....

  • Cpt.Meanster on November 26, 2012, 6:14 GMT

    Thoroughly deserved win by England. Although, they should not get carried away here. These kinds of results are always good when a visiting team competes and wins against the home team. Now the series is set up well. India should not be demoralized by this loss and should LEARN where they went wrong. Because that's what a GOOD team does; they LEARN from their mistakes. England did it following Ahmedabad, and now it's India's turn to do so in Kolkata which historically is India's fortress. For a starter, India should DITCH the 'rank turners' talk for good. Our spinners are not as good as England's. Lastly, we also need to review Tendulkar's future with the team BIG time along with Yuvraj Singh's. Both these guys have done so much for India BUT it's time to move on. Indian test cricket should move forward. We are a richly abundant country with so many talented players in all departments. Time for some serious talk before the next test match. God bless India !!

  • on November 26, 2012, 6:14 GMT

    english spinners rocking here too....but indians....So, where can indian spinners rocks?

  • disco_bob on November 26, 2012, 6:14 GMT

    Dear KP, on behalf of the rest of the cricketing world, we thank you for ending the incessant whinging from Indian fans upset as India were unfairly judged due to other teams daring to use home conditions. Fact is India's team of champions could not win a single test in England or Australia and now England, whose spin travails are legendary, have put the recent Indian drubbings abroad in perspective.

  • on November 26, 2012, 6:13 GMT

    India should consider themselves very lucky (or England was dumb enough) as Monty didn't play the first test.

  • GerrardLK on November 26, 2012, 6:13 GMT

    Dhoni complained post last test in Ahamedabad saying the pitch is not spinning the way he expected & he gave this excuse to defend his bowlers that England scored 400 in their 2nd innings. Now what do you say Mr. Dhoni? Do you need more turn after Mumbai test? No matter what pitch you wanted, England will score pass 400. Your team has the worst bowling attack on earth. If you need a wicket, go & make a humble request to the batsman to commit a mistake. That would meet your requirements.

  • vertical on November 26, 2012, 6:11 GMT

    Can we finally see 10dulkar retiring,even if he plays well the next match he is not going to be consistent.He is a walking wicket most of the time.Yuvi and Dhoni do not have the technique for test cricket.How many chances will they get/They average in the mid 30s.That after the debut of Dravid and 10deulkar India has struggled to find batsmen with good technique apart from Pujara reflects the quality of Ranji trophy.Harbhajan might have taken 400wickets but he no longer spins the bowlas was highlighted by Nasser in England but brushed aside by India's Gavaskar and Shastri.This loss is even more humiliating because we lost at home on a turner.The future looks bleak for the Indian test team.

  • VivtheGreatest on November 26, 2012, 6:10 GMT

    Congrats to England for comprehensively winning in conditions totally alien to them. Great performances by Cook, Panesar and Swann but their star performer was undoubtedly KP with an extraordinarily skilful innings on a wicked pitch. That must have left a lot of England fans who thought they were better off without him really red-faced. At least now they should realise that team spirit and being "one of the boys" alone isnt going to win u matches in difficult conditions- U need the X factor. As for MSD, be careful what u wish for- it could come back and bite u in the backside!!

  • maddy20 on November 26, 2012, 6:10 GMT

    Well played England. We deserved the drubbing after some muddle headed selection. Harbhajan Singh, Tendulkar are way past their best and its about time they are shown the door. We have waited for them to get back into form for too long and it is starting to hurt us real bad. We need a solid test match captain as well. Dhoni is just not cut out for tests. Some serious introspection to be done before the next game in Chennai, which will be slower than this wicket, but a tad faster than the Ahmedabad pitch. Zaheer, Ishant, Ashwin and Ojha should be the bowlers. Tiwary in place of Yuvraj Singh would also be a good choice.

  • on November 26, 2012, 6:09 GMT

    Ultimately India probably win the series, but England have shown, that they are one of the top teams. In England whitewash series, even for a single day on any test, India seemed to be on the wining position. Congratulations Panesar-Swan-Cook-Pietersen.

  • on November 26, 2012, 6:08 GMT

    talkin about KP,panesar,swann..... Cook is the man !! what a magnificent captain. Unbelievable show of character and temperament.

  • cutpullhookanylength on November 26, 2012, 6:08 GMT

    What a pity...Dhoni's comments to prepare a 22yards strip that would turn from day1 would come into picture now and surely the hall of fame's will be giving him a statutory acquaint to stop giving comments about pitches and make a work plan that would help rather to play game in a negative frame of mind. India is not learning from its mistakes did'nt see what happened in England & Australia, a humble white wash. Need to prepare pitches which supports both pacers and spinners only on the fifth day when the pitch is worn out.

  • on November 26, 2012, 6:08 GMT

    England hardly ever won any series or even a test match without importing any foreign players, thanks to the South African & Indian origin players, they both let England win it again! India should seriously think about importing some English & South African players to start winning test series in and outside and Dhoni should realize if top players do not perform because of their age then he should apply it on himself as well! He was good captain when he was new and young, and now is just a burden on the team! - cricinfo please publish!!!!!

  • on November 26, 2012, 6:08 GMT

    Loose some weight India. Its England who proves themselves .

  • on November 26, 2012, 6:07 GMT

    Truth be told - Ashwin lost this for India as much as Panesar won it for England. Add to this Mr. Srinivasan's CSK lobby (thru pupil Dhoni - what can the poor guy do) in ensuring Harbhajan was not used till both cook and KP were well set. This is bizarre - Ashwin bowled like a gully cricket bowler since start of Ahmadabad test second inning and Dhoni kept bowling him, what if Bhajji took a few wickets and made Ashwin's place questionable for next games.

  • dock_haul on November 26, 2012, 6:07 GMT

    congratulations to England but i know India will bounce back strongly. still they can't win 4-0 now

  • pauliangenius on November 26, 2012, 6:06 GMT

    Many people are complaiing what has happened to Aleem Dar. I think the ICC is to be blamed here for not awarding him the best umpire of the year even though the excellence of his umpiring was unquestionable. The non granting of award despite such excellent and pure of error umpiring has simply broken down Aleem Dar as he has lost faith in the integrity of the icca awards.This lack of encouragement has resulted in lack of concentration and focus in Aleem Dar's umpiring. Yes!!! i agree the umpire should not let external factors to creep into his job but his fall in performance is purely due to the above reason.

  • ARJa on November 26, 2012, 6:05 GMT

    So happy. This is a great week for cricket. First west indies white washed Bangladesh. Now India are thrashed in their own game by the English. It is so funny. Rohan Gavaskar commentating in the WI vs Ban test said on air as long as India score 250 in the first innings England have no chance. How pathetic. It just reflects the mentality of the Indian cricketers who thinks they are superior to everyone. They have the big IPL, but can't win the T20 world cup. They played 3 spinners on a square turner and got thrashed for over 400. They are lucky they didn't lose by an innings. I think for the sake of Indian cricket, it is time they realize they are not as good as they think and start improving. When India lost the 4th test in a row in England the egoistic captain Sehwag said no bid deal, when they come to India we will win all matches. Maybe he was thinking about occurrences in a parallel universe. England just showed why they are a far better team than India. That's it.

  • on November 26, 2012, 6:05 GMT

    The Indian fans were laughing at my predictions but every single freaking thing came true. India lost at Mumbai, England levelled the series. KP fired and so did Monty, Cook and Swann. As I have said before, this series will end up 2-1 in England's favour. Peace.

  • sachin_equal_to_bradman on November 26, 2012, 6:05 GMT

    AM an indian....Congrats "england" for showing such an amazing temerament.INDIA should learn from them hoe to come-back wen conditions doesn suit you!!! what an innings by "KP"!!! such a dominant show...even indians would hav liked to watch it(not as an opponent though)...congrats england...we din expect this result..hope we get such pitches for rest of the series to get a result

  • pauliangenius on November 26, 2012, 6:04 GMT

    Many people are complaiing what has happened to Aleem Dar. I think the ICC is to be blamed here for not awarding him the best umpire of the year even though the excellence of his umpiring was unquestionable. The non granting of award despite such excellent and pure of error umpiring has simply broken down Aleem Dar as he has lost faith in the integrity of the icca awards.This lack of encouragement has resulted in lack of concentration and focus in Aleem Dar's umpiring. Yes!!! i agree the umpire should not let external factors to creep into his job but his fall in performance is purely due to the above reason.

  • on November 26, 2012, 6:03 GMT

    I am so happy right now, not because India lost the match but because now the Indians will realise that their team can't even play well at home. You guys were blaming the conditions last year, now what? you got humiliated by "England" on a "spinning track". As I have said before, you should work on your attitude rather than making a mockery of your opposition's weakness. PS. You fell in your own trap. Eng 2-1 series win is on the cards!

  • sk12 on November 26, 2012, 6:03 GMT

    KP innings was the diff.. similar to the innings Gilchrist played in 2001 Mumbai which took the away from us from an even position. Swann was nothing spl, but boy was Panesar spinnign the ball.. didnt see even 1 ball spinnig and beating the bat in Eng's 2nd innings.. a target of 150 wouldnt hav made any diff to the outcome..

  • GerrardLK on November 26, 2012, 6:02 GMT

    I feel so sorry for the Indian fans. They expected 4-0 whitewash from their team, not knowing reality that India winning a Test match is an upset in cricket. Stop day dreaming Indian fans. Just pray for your team not to repeat this humiliation for rest of the series.

  • indianpunter on November 26, 2012, 6:00 GMT

    Revenge is a dish best served cold, so said Gautam gambhir after the last england series. He couldnt wait for the englishmen to land on indian shores and capt cool wanted turning tracks. sadly, no one told them about KP and Monty. Well done, England.Hats off to you guys, to the indomitable bulldog, never say die spirit. India were beaten to pulp here, on a pitch tailor made for them. I hope this prompts the powers that be to make the hard calls and talk about elephants in the room. I was gravely concerned that India was going back to the bad old 90s, with dust bowls. Hopefully, better sense will prevail. Otherwise, 3-1 england!! and @MoBlue, maybe you could introspect a bit before you criticize others for their lack of nous! and your blind faith in Tendulkar shows your lack of the same !!

  • AKmAK on November 26, 2012, 5:59 GMT

    Enoungh is enough get rid-off Sachin and Yuvaraj from batting and Zahir from bowling. My 1st elevan for Kolkata- 1.Sehwag 2.Rahane 3.Gambir 4.Pujara 5.Kohli 6.Badarinath/Raina 7.Dhoni 8.Ashwin 9.Ojha 10.Umesh 11.Ishant. The sooner the change better for future before its too late. I know they can bounce back. All the best for 3rd test.

  • pauliangenius on November 26, 2012, 5:58 GMT

    Many people are complaiing what has happened to Aleem Dar. I think the ICC is to be blamed here for not awarding him the best umpire of the year even though the excellence of his umpiring was unquestionable. The non granting of award despite such excellent and pure of error umpiring has simply broken down Aleem Dar as he has lost faith in the integrity of the icca awards.This lack of encouragement has resulted in lack of concentration and focus in Aleem Dar's umpiring. Yes!!! i agree the umpire should not let external factors to creep into his job but his fall in performance is purely due to the above reason.

  • PPL11 on November 26, 2012, 5:58 GMT

    Brilliant win by Poms, Great come back !! so it has left series wide open, very very interesting.....

  • zabiz on November 26, 2012, 5:58 GMT

    With all due respect to KP's fabulous innings, I am obliged to think that poor Monty has been hard done by. What more must a bowler do to be adjudged the Man of the Match? Sure the pitch was a difficult one to bat on but even so, how does one judge whose contribution was pivotal to England's victory? In my opinion KP's Man of the Match award would have been justified had he batted longer with the tail, ensured a higher lead for his side. With all the talk about Cricket being a batsmen's game and such unfair treatment being meted out to the bowlers, one wonders where to look for the parity between ball and bat.

  • Prats6 on November 26, 2012, 5:58 GMT

    We have some of the worst umpiring in this test in quite some time. Aleen Dar was way below par. But I have no sympathy for this Indian team, which dont want anything but a 100% correct 'life-jacket' as MSD puts it. Add to it, we have been out batted, out bowled and out fielded throughout the game. Serious introspection required.

  • dr.thirsty on November 26, 2012, 5:57 GMT

    Can we 're-integrate' Pietersen before every series please?

  • GerrardLK on November 26, 2012, 5:57 GMT

    Take that INDIA. Never witnessed a team being humiliated like this at their own backyard. Leave Eng, Aus, Saf & Pak out. Can India really beat a team like WI or NZ? Perhaps Ind vs Ban should be a close contest.

  • on November 26, 2012, 5:57 GMT

    i think now sachin sholud quit cricket and MSD also should resign from test Capaincy and test format, he is not a test & t20 player, it is time to give chances to young players like rahane,tiwary...bt we really miss Dravid and Laxman..

  • on November 26, 2012, 5:56 GMT

    Before the series most English fans would have settled for one draw leading to no whitewash. A Test win would have been great but probably too much to expec - given recent history. The series win will be out of this world. Well done chaps on exceeding expectation - go for the series win. It feel so good to see all those really unreasonable (and unsporting) Indian fans having to face reality for once

  • pauliangenius on November 26, 2012, 5:56 GMT

    Many people are complaiing what has happened to Aleem Dar. I think the ICC is to be blamed here for not awarding him the best umpire of the year even though the excellence of his umpiring was unquestionable. The non granting of award despite such excellent and pure of error umpiring has simply broken down Aleem Dar as he has lost faith in the integrity of the icca awards.This lack of encouragement has resulted in lack of concentration and focus in Aleem Dar's umpiring. Yes!!! i agree the umpire should not let external factors to creep into his job but his fall in performance is purely due to the above reason.

  • pauliangenius on November 26, 2012, 5:56 GMT

    Many people are complaiing what has happened to Aleem Dar. I think the ICC is to be blamed here for not awarding him the best umpire of the year even though the excellence of his umpiring was unquestionable. The non granting of award despite such excellent and pure of error umpiring has simply broken down Aleem Dar as he has lost faith in the integrity of the icca awards.This lack of encouragement has resulted in lack of concentration and focus in Aleem Dar's umpiring. Yes!!! i agree the umpire should not let external factors to creep into his job but his fall in performance is purely due to the above reason.

  • 12kris on November 26, 2012, 5:54 GMT

    I am saddened by the abject surrender on our home ground. It may be a good move to bring in a leg spinner, but otherwise the team should not be tinkered with. But a change is needed- that of the Coach. He has been given too long a rope. Another matter the BCCI who lords over everything Cricket needs to do is to accept DRS. It is a matter which shows that Indian cricket is run on archaic lines.

  • UAETigers on November 26, 2012, 5:53 GMT

    welldone ENG!!! A great show of character and determination by all England players and led by the Captain Cook!!! What new excuse we will get from MSD!!

  • Moutarde on November 26, 2012, 5:53 GMT

    Magnificent win! Can't wait to read or hear from Ganguly and the like how India were still the better side and England were lucky, etc! This sort of victory could destroy India for the rest of the series...lot of pressure on the Indians now....a LOT of pressure!

  • on November 26, 2012, 5:53 GMT

    There is no doubt about it: England batted and bowled far better than India. Both Monty & Swann were more effective than ALL the three Indian spinners. What a cool customer Cook is! What a "re-entry" for the great entertainer KP ( though I am not a fan of KP as a person, ungrudgingly, I would admit he is the "best" in the international circuit, at the moment.) Deserving winners. Congratulations.

  • sheerluck on November 26, 2012, 5:49 GMT

    Serious comeback by England after the first test. They were the better team here by a long way. Captain Cook is playing very well, you'd have to agree with KP's assessment that he has the capacity to be the most prolific runscorer for England ever.

  • Hammond on November 26, 2012, 5:48 GMT

    India completely, desperately, hopelessly outclassed. The flat track bullies bullied back by two superior English spinners, and outgunned in the batting by the English captain and probably the best batsman in the world, KP. England are on the way back up to the top after a minor blip. India, you have nothing, time to rebuild. Pujara is a good start.

  • Sharjeel77 on November 26, 2012, 5:48 GMT

    India now must concentrate on forming an eleven that can beat any team in any condition rather than taking the home advantage and forming spin wickets, which doesn't seem to be an advantage anymore! Excellent performance by England.

  • Htc-Android on November 26, 2012, 5:48 GMT

    These minnows cant win at fast and bouncy track. cant even win at home against england in a turning track. Indian fans please admit it guys. your team is only good at flat tracks. and they say they have quality spinners. even bangladesh and zimbabwe spinners are better than Indian spinners.

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on November 26, 2012, 5:46 GMT

    Well played England. You really humbled us. Hearty congratulations to your team and all the English fans. TBH, I'm not surprised that you won. I predicted 2-0 or 3-0 in your favour with 4-0 being a distant possibility. You need to blame yourself for not selecting Monty in Ahmedabad and consequently losing that match. Otherwise, it could have been 2-0 now. Now coming back to my team - Just a hope, a BIG HOPE, at least now we get rid-off the passengers - Statchin and Dhoni for the starters. Statchin from the next match and Dhoni from the next series as we can't remove the Captain in the middle of a series. Other passengers like Sehwag and Gambhir have to be told in no unequivocal terms. We fail in seaming conditions abroad and get humiliated in spinning conditions at home. Oh, what and how much does it take to realise and acknowledge that our batting is THE problem along with the Captain. Batting is going to make THE difference in this series and we are definitely lagging behind there.

  • on November 26, 2012, 5:45 GMT

    Well done England. I am extremely happy to see that you guys winning. I love the winning moments of English team specially from Compton. ( From a Pakistani fan )

  • Viv_Aus on November 26, 2012, 5:45 GMT

    Congratulations England! A great test performance in which India was simply outclassed in all departments. Good luck for the remaining tests and hope you keep this performance up.

  • indirockz on November 26, 2012, 5:45 GMT

    This is more humiliating than a 4-0 whitewash. Mr. Dhoni stop crying about pitches and start making some runs for a change. I have been a blind supporter of Sachin but failures series in and series out, my faith has been shook. Please score some runs and do the right thing now.

  • Nish_US on November 26, 2012, 5:45 GMT

    Great win England

    Monty truly deserved the MOM, but only so much for bowlers.

  • on November 26, 2012, 5:43 GMT

    Congrats to England team they comprehensively troumced India.now that the monkey of 4-0 revenge is off their back Indians should look this as a 2match series and start fresh

  • Ayush_Chauhan on November 26, 2012, 5:43 GMT

    I should probably get this in before The underhanded comments start. Well played England, a well deserved win, India, this was a major setback, hope you can get back on your feet soon enough. One last thing, just because we lost on a spinning track does not mean that Dhoni is wrong in asking for them, The Indian spinners bowled badly, and the batsmen...lets just not talk about this.

  • nkoch on November 26, 2012, 5:41 GMT

    English spinners are better than Indian. English batting is better than Indian and English fielding is better than Indian. Let's face it.. England is a better test side irrespective of nature of wicket. BTW, well played Harbhajan Singh. What an inspired selection..

  • YorkshirePudding on November 26, 2012, 5:41 GMT

    A good victory for England, and hopefully the BCCI will sit up and take notice of whats happend.....It wont suprise me to hear that SRT calls it a day after this series, hes already started talking preparing the faithful with recent comments, althought it will be a sad day for the cricket world.....I wonder if Dhoni and fletcher will ask for a similar wicket at Eden Gardens...In regards to England the only question mark is Patel, who could be replaced by Bairstow with bell coming back, although that means having a 2 seam 2 spin attack, as it will be difficult to drop both Monty and Swann.

  • Solid_Snake on November 26, 2012, 5:40 GMT

    Can India repeat what Pakistan did to England ie 72 all out.. I doubt about it..It takes Class of Ajmal & Rehman to achieve something like that. England would be home soon with all wickets in hand :P Indian batsmen lions only at their home.But in this match something different happened.Lions got thrashed on their own home ground.

  • mixters on November 26, 2012, 5:37 GMT

    What next from Dhoni ? We must play against England with a tennis ball on a dirt lot somewhere? Then we can play 5 spinners but wait it seems that the english spinners are better than ours. Oh I now the English are doctoring pitches in India now that is the issue, cant wait for the press conferance and excusses

  • AusieBangaleeShameem on November 26, 2012, 5:36 GMT

    Bangladesh lost against WI by 10 wickets --- India lost against Eng by 10 wickets. If someone says Bangladesh have not improved and their test status must be removed then I can't blame anyone who says India MUST not play test anymore -- the should only be playing T20 and IPL. So "EAT YOUR OWN WORDS NOW"

  • satish619chandar on November 26, 2012, 5:35 GMT

    Very wll played England. When England traveled to India, i wished three things to happen for England. 1. Cook to play as per his recent form. 2. England play Monty with Swann and attack from both ends. 3. KP play his usual smashing innings and take the game away in a couple of sessions. For England, all the three things happened in same time and emerged victorious. I wouldn't say the pitch backfired for India. Actually, it levelled the playfield and the better team won. There is nothing to be blamed on the captain for asking a level playing field. India need to look on its options. Not picking second seamer was one tactical blunder. Even of track assists spin great, two is enough with the part timers. Places of Sachin, Dhoni and Yuvraj in the 11 is a bit concern. Though Yuvi scored 70+ last game, i still find him out of the depth in the test team. And the openers are not playing as consistently as they should in these conditions. Need to pick up for the next game.

  • on November 26, 2012, 5:33 GMT

    the english fans must be delighted. no bigger joy than to win a test match on a wicket that is outside one's comfort zone. that too after losing the toss. enjoy the moment :) fully deserved.

  • Meherdeen on November 26, 2012, 5:33 GMT

    Why are the Indians complaining. If they do not have faith in Technology Then they will have to face the consequences. Tough Luck BCCI. This will continue until BCCI accepts the Tech.

  • baskar_guha on November 26, 2012, 5:33 GMT

    Your argument is poor - you cannot cover bad umpiring by DRS. You perhaps need both but you certainly need good umpiring to start with. That is where cricket has a real problem - ICC's best umps are just not good enough.

  • simpleguy2008 on November 26, 2012, 5:31 GMT

    So now the Indian team have a chance to lose the series because they dont have the bowlers to get 10 wickets and now i think sachin should be out of the team now and the board should think of UDRS system

  • UAETigers on November 26, 2012, 5:31 GMT

    a great win for English team!!!! India beaten in India on track turners...!!! What will be the excuse this time?

  • mixters on November 26, 2012, 5:29 GMT

    well well i seam to remember a post last match calling this England side a street team. They might just be a bit better than that or has a street team just beaten India in India

  • chedullasreedhar on November 26, 2012, 5:28 GMT

    Dhoni's over expections on mumbai pitch and playing with 3 spinners is not an good idea, that leads to lost to England , this is the worst performance by India , Need to learn a lot from South Africa how to defend themselves when we are on the back . SA knows they are on back foot but they have the confidence to make the test to Draw

  • o-bomb on November 26, 2012, 5:27 GMT

    That was every bit as (if not more) 1-sided as the first test, just the other way around. If we keep playing like that we can win this series. Come on England!

  • humi_cric on November 26, 2012, 5:12 GMT

    Sincere adv. to Dhoni, ordered flat track for the next two games. Two advantages: 1) save the series, 2) Safe exit to Great SRT (as he may score one or two centuries

  • on November 26, 2012, 5:06 GMT

    I think this the END of DHONI in test cricket. He's nothing to contribute in the longest format of the game. His batting form is terrible, his wicketkeeping has gone down and his Captaincy is AWFUL.....

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  • on November 26, 2012, 5:06 GMT

    I think this the END of DHONI in test cricket. He's nothing to contribute in the longest format of the game. His batting form is terrible, his wicketkeeping has gone down and his Captaincy is AWFUL.....

  • humi_cric on November 26, 2012, 5:12 GMT

    Sincere adv. to Dhoni, ordered flat track for the next two games. Two advantages: 1) save the series, 2) Safe exit to Great SRT (as he may score one or two centuries

  • o-bomb on November 26, 2012, 5:27 GMT

    That was every bit as (if not more) 1-sided as the first test, just the other way around. If we keep playing like that we can win this series. Come on England!

  • chedullasreedhar on November 26, 2012, 5:28 GMT

    Dhoni's over expections on mumbai pitch and playing with 3 spinners is not an good idea, that leads to lost to England , this is the worst performance by India , Need to learn a lot from South Africa how to defend themselves when we are on the back . SA knows they are on back foot but they have the confidence to make the test to Draw

  • mixters on November 26, 2012, 5:29 GMT

    well well i seam to remember a post last match calling this England side a street team. They might just be a bit better than that or has a street team just beaten India in India

  • UAETigers on November 26, 2012, 5:31 GMT

    a great win for English team!!!! India beaten in India on track turners...!!! What will be the excuse this time?

  • simpleguy2008 on November 26, 2012, 5:31 GMT

    So now the Indian team have a chance to lose the series because they dont have the bowlers to get 10 wickets and now i think sachin should be out of the team now and the board should think of UDRS system

  • baskar_guha on November 26, 2012, 5:33 GMT

    Your argument is poor - you cannot cover bad umpiring by DRS. You perhaps need both but you certainly need good umpiring to start with. That is where cricket has a real problem - ICC's best umps are just not good enough.

  • Meherdeen on November 26, 2012, 5:33 GMT

    Why are the Indians complaining. If they do not have faith in Technology Then they will have to face the consequences. Tough Luck BCCI. This will continue until BCCI accepts the Tech.

  • on November 26, 2012, 5:33 GMT

    the english fans must be delighted. no bigger joy than to win a test match on a wicket that is outside one's comfort zone. that too after losing the toss. enjoy the moment :) fully deserved.