England in India 2012-13

England's rotation policy continues

Alex Winter

November 28, 2012

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Graeme Swann celebrates after taking a wicket, Sri Lanka v England, Super Eights, World Twenty20, Pallekele, October 1, 2012
Graeme Swann has been rested for England's limited overs programme in India © AFP
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England's policy of rotating their squad will continue in the T20 and ODI series against India either side of Christmas.

Graeme Swann has been omitted from both squads while Steven Finn will only take part in the ODIs in January. Kevin Pietersen is back in England's ODI squad but he will also miss the T20s.

Stuart Meaker could be in line for a T20 debut, as the only player uncapped in T20s in the 13-man squad which doesn't include a specialist wicketkeeper. Jonny Baristow, who kept in England's World T20 defeat to Sri Lanka in Pallekele, will take the gloves again.

Bairstow replaced Craig Kieswetter behind the stumps after a poor run of scores but Kieswetter retains his place in the 15-man ODI squad which shows further signs of England's desire to protect the workload of their players ahead of back-to-back Ashes series.

England took the opportunity to rest several players during the summer, with both James Anderson and Stuart Broad sitting out the third Test against West Indies and Swann being rested for the final three ODIs of series against both Australia and South Africa.

The ECB had also been in discussions to manage Andy Flower's workload, culminating in Ashley Giles' appointment as limited-overs coach.

"We are constantly looking to manage the workload of players as effectively as possible and this winter is no different," national selector Geoff Miller said. "So there are number of players who are being rested for parts of the winter programme to enable them to take part in fitness and conditioning programmes in preparation for a busy 2013.

"We know that playing limited overs cricket in India can be challenging but the T20 and ODI series provide an excellent opportunity for these players to show that they have learnt valuable lessons from the last ODI series against India and improved as players in subcontinent conditions."

England were whitewashed 5-0 on their ODI tour of India in October 2011 but showed improvement outside of the subcontinent with series victories over Pakistan in the UAE, a comprehensive defeat of Australia at home and a drawn series with South Africa.

Of the side that lost the fifth ODI against South Africa at Trent Bridge, the most notable absentee is Ravi Bopara, who endured a horrendous series with scores of 16, 0, 6 and 0. His exclusion, and Pietersen's return, could spell the end of his international career. The loss of form followed personal problems which saw him withdraw from England's Test squad after 0 and 22 in the opening Test.

Bopara's place will be taken by Pietersen who was successful against Pakistan in the UAE in his new role as opener with Alastair Cook, striking two centuries in England's 4-0 series win. But when Pietersen announced his one-day retirement, Ian Bell was installed at the top of the order and also found form with 370 runs at 41.11 against Australia and South Africa.

The majority of Bell's ODI career has been spent at No. 3, where he has scored 1,649 runs at 37.47. But Jonathan Trott has made No. 3 his own, suggesting Bell could move to No. 4, where he has only batted for 14 matches, allowing Eoin Morgan to move back to the No. 5 spot and best fulfil the finisher role he is tasked with.

But outside of the top five, England have plenty to debate. Do they persist with Kieswetter as wicketkeeper in the middle order, despite his poor record - 203 runs in nine matches - or trust Bairstow with the gloves, allowing them to benefit from his undoubted talent with the bat.

The makeup of the bowling attack will also vary with conditions. It will be led by Steven Finn, who announced himself on the world stage with his performances in England's ODI tour in India last October. Finn went on to lead England's attack with 13 wickets in the UAE and consistently ripped through the Australian top order last summer. Anderson and then Broad will compliment Finn as the second seamer, with Jade Dernbach in reserve.

James Tredwell, who successfully deputised for Swann against Australia and South Africa, will be England's leading spinner with Hampshire's Danny Briggs, who made his international debut with 2 for 39 against Pakistan in Dubai, the option as a second specialist spinner and Samit Patel, the only other player to come out of the last Indian tour with credit, the allrounder at No. 7.

Tim Bresnan could provide another seam option, and extend the batting order, if Briggs is not required.

England T20 squad
Stuart Broad (c), Jonny Bairstow, Tim Bresnan, Danny Briggs, Jos Buttler, Jade Dernbach, Alex Hales, Michael Lumb, Stuart Meaker, Eoin Morgan, Samit Patel, James Tredwell, Luke Wright

England ODI squad
Alastair Cook (c), Jonny Bairstow, Ian Bell, Tim Bresnan, Danny Briggs, Jade Dernbach, Steven Finn, Craig Kieswetter, Stuart Meaker, Eoin Morgan, Samit Patel, Kevin Pietersen, James Tredwell, Jonathan Trott, James Anderson (first three matches), Stuart Broad (final two matches)

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Posted by JG2704 on (December 1, 2012, 17:56 GMT)

@bigwonder on (November 29 2012, 14:10 PM GMT) See to most people tests are more important than ODI's which are probably more important than T20s. I guess India and England have different priorities

Posted by zenboomerang on (December 1, 2012, 4:50 GMT)

For me, Finn is an automatic pick for T20 - by far the best Eng fast bowler in this format - there are only 2 matches then a 2 week break before the ODI's... Bresnan (& a fan) has an average record in T20's - could get badly smacked around the park... No Woakes? - a good ODI record with bat & ball (but guess Bresnan has similar records in OD/LA) & Chris looks to be an improving player...

Posted by   on (December 1, 2012, 4:49 GMT)

why is panesar not in either of the squads, with swann resting, he could be england's main man in spin department in 20-20s and odis

Posted by Shan156 on (December 1, 2012, 1:17 GMT)

Is it me or does England's T20I squad looks very weak. Shows how valuable Swann and KP are for this side. I agree with JG, somehow England are not giving importance to the T20 game and are more obsessed with the ODIs. I wouldn't blame them too much - after all, they are yet to win a ODI in this country (against the hosts) for nearly 7 years now (losing 10 and tying 1). That is an awful record. Hopefully, they will win a game or two this time. However, I am not sure if our T20 squad could run India close in either of the two games.

Posted by SDHM on (November 30, 2012, 16:13 GMT)

@Si Baker - Woakes is actually a very average one day bowler; he struggles to keep runs down and isn't a potent wicket-taker with the white ball. Different story in the longer form though, and of course his batting is the exciting aspect of his game. I'd prefer England to start thinking about him for Test cricket rather than the limited overs stuff, and the fact he's gone off to New Zealand to play first class cricket suggests I think he might be in the frame for the New Zealand tour after Christmas.

Posted by golgo_85 on (November 30, 2012, 15:21 GMT)

Panesar, a far superior spinner to both Tredwell and Briggs in any condition, gets ignored when it comes to limited overs selection because of his lacklustre fielding skills. What a shame!

Posted by zenboomerang on (November 30, 2012, 3:06 GMT)

For me, Finn is an automatic pick for T20 - by far the best Eng fast bowler in this format - there are only 2 matches then a 2 week break before the ODI's... Bresnan (& a fan) has an average record in T20's - could get badly smacked around the park... No Woakes? - a good ODI record with bat & ball (but guess Bresnan has similar records in OD/LA) & Chris looks to be an improving player...

Posted by   on (November 29, 2012, 15:27 GMT)

really happy for u kevin Pietersen . kp is back in blue uniform lotsf love to u kp!!!!!!!!!

Posted by bigwonder on (November 29, 2012, 14:10 GMT)

@landl47, I beg to differ in meaningless matches. 4 tests are meaningless not ODI/T20. It clearly shows where ECB's priorities lies. It also disrespects their host and their fans. Resting KP is meaningless, he would have played test and ODIs but had a big gap for couple of months before he started playing again. India should also start resting their main players for next 2 test matches. Who cares about a long test series anyway.

Posted by Front-Foot_lunge on (November 29, 2012, 12:12 GMT)

So KP won then? Flower gets rested, KP doesn't have to play all formats but completes the formality of 'being available' for all formats. Players get, what amounts to the ability to pick and choose formats. The over administered game in England is starting to unravel.

Posted by dabhand on (November 29, 2012, 10:41 GMT)

@James Young - spot on. England's priority is test / 50 / T20 in that order. T20 is a great place for looking at upcoming talent which may suit either of the longer forms and also a good place for giving established fringe players a chance to further develop. It may not please those whose interests and attention span is limited to T20, but tough, in this and using rotation, England IMHO are adopting a sensible approach to avoid unnecessary injury or 'burn out' of key players just to perpetuate a side show.

Posted by jackiethepen on (November 29, 2012, 10:40 GMT)

I have no vested interest JG. I have supported Bell's inclusion in ODIs because he played exceptionally well for Warwickshire in the 40-over game and I thought England were missing a trick not promoting him to open in place of Kieswetter when they were going through their wicket-keeper batsman opener phase. KP did very well against Pakistan but he wasn't that happy opening and drily said so during the WC and he didn't perform that well. Bell and Cook proved to be very adept at dealing with the 2 new balls which is why England won the games. KP is a natural to come in once that tricky period is over. If one of the openers goes early then Trott could perform that role. I really think 3/4 position should respond to the game. To me there is no sense sending KP in at 0-1. Ideally KP likes a platform to be set so he can take off. The problem for the team before is that we DIDNT have a successful opening pair although many were tried. Now we have.

Posted by JG2704 on (November 29, 2012, 9:49 GMT)

@jackiethepen on (November 28 2012, 22:17 PM GMT) I know you have a slightly vested interest in who opens and to be fair it's an interesting conundrum. I think they'll stick with Bell and have KP coming in at 3 but there are fair arguments for either opening. Both have opened well in their last few inns in this format so I guess whoever they open with , if it goes wrong people will say they should have opened with the other. It seems strange why they didn't have him opening in the T20 - a format he likes more and a format where Eng now have not got a settled opening pair. Maybe it has something to do with Eng being rankings obsessed and they think they have a better chance of retaining their no 1 status in the ODIs above climbing back up the T20 rankings

Posted by Harlequin. on (November 29, 2012, 8:44 GMT)

I think it shows quite clearly that ECB view T20's as a way of blooding youngsters on to the world stage, because that is far from the strongest squad they could have put out. Not a bad strategy IMO,T20's are fun to watch but they are a bit of a lottery so shouldn't be taken too seriously. Its good to see Broad/Anderson finally being talked about in a support role to Finn rather than the other way round, but its even better to see that the ECB has finally lost patience with Bopara.

Posted by   on (November 29, 2012, 6:50 GMT)

I feel its a well balanced England squad with only youngsters in T20 squad and a mix of youth and experience in ODI squad. They are going to give a tough fight for the Indian team whose selection still is sloppy.... India have to improve

Posted by landl47 on (November 29, 2012, 6:14 GMT)

Resting players for meaningless matches is going to happen more and more- get used to it. The only quibble I have with the teams is that Dernbach is still in the squads. He's shown many times that he isn't consistent or accurate enough for international cricket. England has a number of good young seam bowlers who should be getting experience in these types of games. As for the article, I'm sure that if Finn does well Anderson and Broad will compliment him. Hopefully, as bowlers they will also complement him (hint to Alex Winter: spellcheck doesn't tell you if you've used the wrong word. If you don't know whether it's 'compliment' or 'complement', don't use the word).

Posted by rashmi4cricket on (November 29, 2012, 5:19 GMT)

Really it is a shocking news. It has always been a good feeling to play against a strongest opponent even though you may defeat from them. we would like to play against England having KP and Swaan as they both are suitable fit to T20 format. Any way best of luck Eng.

Posted by   on (November 29, 2012, 3:49 GMT)

Yet another utterly ridiculous T20 squad, composed almost entirely of the players who failed so spectacularly in Sri Lanka in very similar conditions (though it's good to see Meaker, Briggs & Lumb given further chances, as well as to see Bopara finally dumped). As others have already pointed out, KP's exclusion looks as if it has more to do with Andy Flower's tiresome compulsion to show KP who's the puppet & who the puppetmaster rather than with giving him a rest he neither needs nor wants, while Prior's continued absence from both formats is nothing short of perverse, not least because Bairstow was an unqualified disaster in his sole T20 game to date as a keeper. Equally perverse is the continued retention of Dernbach in both squads. How many more games does he have to lose for England before he's finally jettisoned? On the plus side, let's hope Ashley Giles's promotion will eventually see Chris Woakes slotted in where he belongs: at No. 6 & first change across all three formats.

Posted by Nutcutlet on (November 29, 2012, 3:43 GMT)

The trouble with having different formats & fitting players into 1, 2 or possibly 3 squads (as is the case with Broad - for 2 ODIs - & S Patel) must be a considerable headache for management. Nothing's going to satisfy everyone, but I do notice that there is some silly & muddled thinking from some of these posters. Take the KP selection for ODIs over T20. First & foremost, Test cricket is Eng's priority & in skill-sets required, T20 is furthest away from TC. England supporters should want the best of KP & his ability to score rapidly, HAVING FIRST PLAYED HIMSELF IN, is better suited to 50 over cricket which calls on a batsman constructing an inns rather than going into overdrive by ball 4! Thus, he does not get into bad habits by playing Internat. T20. No one who wants the best for Eng cricket cares a stuff about his IPL appearances where the bowling is gen.sub-standard. Our cricketers need to be managed, or their careers will be over in a flash. This is a sane division of workload.

Posted by Lmaotsetung on (November 29, 2012, 1:31 GMT)

There will be a natural let down after Nagpur making the T20 less important and attractive. Everyone will be itching to go home for Christmas once the Nagpur test is over. It makes perfect sense to let the seniors leave early and miss the useless T20 matches. They all are coming back to India for the ODIs. I see nothing wrong with that line of reasoning.

Posted by   on (November 29, 2012, 1:01 GMT)

In leaving KP out of the lineup, the England camp is just saying that they don't care much about T20 internationals. I don't blame them. They don't much interest me either.

Posted by   on (November 28, 2012, 23:37 GMT)

Why no Prior?Does he announce his retirement from ODIs & T20Is.Shocking decision why no KP in T20.I think England Playing XI in ODIs should be: Cook Kp Troot Bell Morgan Prior Patel Bresnan Broad Finn Dernbach and Playing Xi for T20Is Hales Lumb Luke Morgan Prior Buttler Patel Broad Finn Dernbach

Posted by shot274 on (November 28, 2012, 23:24 GMT)

in answer to brittops query- heres an interesting comparison with tennis players. Novak Djokovic , this year has played 18 tournaments, 87 matches and been on the court for a total of 143 hours and 25 minutes. Of the top 10 ATP ranked players he has played the fewest tournaments this year! In the international arena, KP has played 12 tests, 3 t20s and 4 ODIs this year.

Posted by jackiethepen on (November 28, 2012, 22:17 GMT)

Why assume that KP will open again? He had a meagre run at opening until his two exit tons against Pakistan so much so that he was dropped from opening until Kieswetter's poor form. Bell's average opening in ODIs this summer is 54. Why is the Series against West Indies being discounted? They had a very good side with all their IPL players returning, including Gayle. Bell and Cook were excellent as an opening pair. They had a fantastic run, beating the West Indies and Australia in every game and then drawing with South Africa. Bopara's failures in the matches against SA meant that they lacked a No 4, KP's old position. Think how strong that will be with KP back at 4. Flower said that Bell and Cook would open until the World Cup. Bell at last was given the chance to bat at the top of the order and he excelled. It makes no sense to mess with that now. KP doesn't like the new ball, let alone 2 new balls. He doesn't even open in t20. He likes to bat at 3 or 4.

Posted by shot274 on (November 28, 2012, 22:12 GMT)

What a joke this squad is. Never mind KP , the best wicketkeeper batsman in England for the shorter form of the game (as well as Tests ofcourse) is Matt Prior. Rotation policy is fine if the players on the bench are very close behind the top players. Hales, Lumb, Wright are light years behind KP,Bell and Prior!!!

Posted by aracer on (November 28, 2012, 21:50 GMT)

It would be complete and utter madness to leave out your best T20 player for the T20 WC - no sensible cricket board would ever do that, no matter how awkward the player in question was. However for a couple of totally meaningless T20 fixtures at the end of the year, the results of which nobody will even remember by the start of the ODI series let alone by the time the next WC comes around, it seems an ideal time to let your senior players have a bit more time at home with their families (which is of far more significance than the amount of playing time involved), and blood a few young uns.

Posted by Kidderwolf on (November 28, 2012, 21:35 GMT)

Presumably Kiewswetter is in the squad as a last resort and not because England consider him the best option after so many errors recently, as for the others: Prior - presumably to be kept fresh for Tests, Bairstow - not ready yet for the responsibility of keeping in ODI's and even Davies - awful season for Surrey meant he couldn't be considered.

Posted by   on (November 28, 2012, 21:02 GMT)

Why is KP having a 'rest'? He's only just started playing for England again! This is a disgrace and a load of lies. They are forcing KP to play the format he hates, whilst overlooking him for the for the t20-which he loves,and is great at. This is a childish show of 'who is boss'. Monty too has just resumed his England career, and is not in need of 'rest'.. I think the England selectors should have a 'rest' on a permanent basis!

Posted by 2.14istherunrate on (November 28, 2012, 20:57 GMT)

Whatever is planned for ODI's and slap and giggle, the Test series is still the main event, and both Cook and KP have to accept that in reality the batting rests on their very capable shoulders. The other two main men, Trott and Bell , may start to function productively and who knows Compton may play a breakthrough knock, but the onus is very much on the two 'greats'.

Posted by brittop on (November 28, 2012, 20:55 GMT)

I wonder how much time a top international cricket player spends on the field during a year compared to how long a top tennis player does.

Posted by Tigg on (November 28, 2012, 20:50 GMT)

I'm a little gutted Luke Wright isn't in both squads but on the whole I think the selections are good. The T20 side is becoming a good testing ground for young talent and, if we had to pick one, having KP in for the ODIs is better as England will be pushing to win the series ratehr than suffer another white-wash.

Tredwell will do a fine job and having Kerrigan in for experience and support will do them both good and if there's any seam-friendly pitches an attack of Anderson, Finn and Meaker will be lethal.

Posted by John1999 on (November 28, 2012, 20:50 GMT)

In spite of his batting woes last year I am surprised that Bopara's is not in the squad, his bowling would be invaluable in these conditions and he has experience from the IPL I think he could have been a key player and there is nobody with the experience and skill mix in the team

Posted by bumsonseats on (November 28, 2012, 20:07 GMT)

patrick all the players come home after the T20 for xmas, return to india in the new year play odis were KP and GS play, then off to NZ or at least that what was going to happen

Posted by St.John on (November 28, 2012, 19:42 GMT)

Rotation is an excellent policy especially in T20 where there are so many hard hitters in the county circuit but to leave out KP is like shooting yourself in the foot...

Posted by AlexfromPessac on (November 28, 2012, 19:33 GMT)

It would be sensible to have a totally different squad for the one day tournaments (excluding World Cups, which matter), simply because as they are played AFTER the Test series (the starter after the main course !!) They are simply much less important to true cricket lovers, and thereby less memorable. (Who won the 2005 One Day series - England or Australia? See?)

Posted by   on (November 28, 2012, 18:56 GMT)

I think joe root could have been in T20 or ODIs most probably in T20 because its 13 men.Still shocked abut prior

Posted by JG2704 on (November 28, 2012, 18:28 GMT)

PS - Actually if Giles is coach , I'm surprised he's not put Woakes in the set up

Posted by JG2704 on (November 28, 2012, 18:26 GMT)

Seems sad that KP is not playing in the T20 side esp as he is such a hit with the Indian fans and has been rested (with his exit) a fair bit already. Does Jade's inclusion in the T20 squad , coupled with KP's omission mean that the selectors are not taking the format at all seriously. I'm wondering if they're overdoing the resting. Also I'd say Jos should take the gloves as he's a more natural WK and Jonny is probably a better outfielder. Seems strange that they fancy Craig in the ODIs but not the T20s? Also I'd like to see Wright in the ODI squad. He was head and shoulders above all our batsmen in the T20wc and surely deserves a chance. Why not give Trott a rest. Can see why Swann is rested although he'll be a big loss. Could Monty not be given a try? I know he can't bat or field but still

Posted by SDHM on (November 28, 2012, 18:25 GMT)

Would've loved to see KP and Prior in the T20 squad - Bairstow is a long way from being an international gloveman (but then again, so was Prior when he started) and Prior's form in the domestic season was electric. Would love to see him replace Bell in the ODIs too - I have my doubts about Bell in a big ODI chase, and I'd like to see a top order of 1) Cook 2) Prior 3) KP 4) Trott (those two could be interchangeable - I'd be happy with them at 3 or 4) and Mogs at 5. That opens up the no. 6 spot for Wright or Patel, actually giving them a chance to affect that game in the top 6 as opposed to being shunted down at 7. Just not sure about Bairstow as an ODI/T20 player - his domestic record in both isn't too hot despite being such a clean striker of the ball, but he is a potential Test star,so let him play Tests for now!

Posted by cricket-is-best on (November 28, 2012, 17:58 GMT)

its good to see that england are atleast giving chances to all sorts of players and keeping them busy, besides bringing in variety...unlike we Indians who play the same set of players in almost all types ODI,T20,tests..good to see that they are thinking in the line of specialists (although the selection may not be perfect or even ideal). KP and prior is a must in all 3 formats.India should learn this policy

Posted by Nerav on (November 28, 2012, 17:53 GMT)

KP in ODI and not in T20 ...LOL way to slap him in the face. I bet u know he'll have a pretty average test seriers from now. Pansear not in any of them because ECB doesnt like him. Despite being the best spinner in England he doesn't get considered at all. Maybe because he looks to much like an Indian...ECB dont want to get the fans confused.

Posted by Hira1 on (November 28, 2012, 17:50 GMT)

KP wants to play T20 and not one day still he is rested for T20 and forced to play one day, probably because Cook is captain in ODIs and not in T20, what we call this.. a stubborn approach from Broad and Flower

Posted by teragram on (November 28, 2012, 17:43 GMT)

Pieterson, one of the stars of the IPL so England leave him out of the T20 squad against India. Looks like the selectors follow the old saying (slightly modified) 'Don't confuse us with facts, our minds are made up'.

Posted by BenjaminEdmonds on (November 28, 2012, 17:25 GMT)

Nobody bats an eyelid if a key player is rested for a cup match in football, but as soon as someone is rested in cricket it's considered madness, would rather see the lads on top form for the ashes and give some of the other guys a chance on Indian pitches! Hopefully it'll give Broad and Bresnan some game time to try to find some form again too.

Posted by axe_hay on (November 28, 2012, 17:13 GMT)

Has anyone heard of Peter Trego, the Somerset Allrounder ? He is one of the best Hard Hitters in the county circiut . I failed to understand why he is being constantly ignored for the T20 Squad and the selectors select folks like Buttler,Patel,Dernbach etc. who have constantly failed despite immense opportunities !

Posted by Trickstar on (November 28, 2012, 16:59 GMT)

The T20 team looks very ordinary, without KP & Swann our 2 best players in that format, plus the likes of Finn,Prior & Shah not being picked makes for weak looking side. It's interesting they've rested KP from the T20 side, surely that's some kind of test or something, everyone knows he loved the T20 stuff and it's hardly tiring, a definite show of wills from the ECB. I agree with others, I'd have much rather gone with Monty over Tredwell, particularly over in India. I also wonder whether KP will slot back into the openers spot, would make sense especially considering where it's being played and imo he'll go better than Bell.

Posted by   on (November 28, 2012, 16:55 GMT)

If Bairstow is not a specialist wicketkeeper then who is? Who was the last specialist keeper to play for England? Read? Foster?

Posted by vj3478 on (November 28, 2012, 16:44 GMT)

If ECB REALLY wanted to give rest to KP, then it should have been for ODI's and not T20! To rest in T20 just seems to create the unrest and their reluctance to listen to players. Well thats the only way good-for-nothing management can make a name.

Posted by   on (November 28, 2012, 16:31 GMT)

Did not think that I would ever say this but looks like England board is getting as bad as WI board when it comes to player selection. How on earth do you leave KP out of an England 20/20 squad? This is insane!!! KP is one of the top 3 T20 batsmen in the world!! This makes as much sense as when the WICB left Gayle out of their teams!! The administrators (WICB & ECB) apparently believe they need to "push around" the players to prove who is the boss!! Stop the insanity ECB, let KP play. These guys are killing the game! "Workload" should apply mostly to the quick bowlers, not batsmen!! I am a WI fan but enjoy watching the best in the game. Can imagine how upset the English fans are!!!!

Posted by HawK89 on (November 28, 2012, 16:23 GMT)

Prior is such a clean hitter, he can adapt to all forms of the game. pietersen is a star in all forms as well.

Posted by 158notout on (November 28, 2012, 16:22 GMT)

I get the feeling this is part of KP's re-integration. Suck it up and play the ODI's and sit out the T20's to show that he can toe the line. RE: KP vs Bell. I would be inclined to stick with Bell opening and drop KP back down the order, perhaps at 4. KP and Morgan coming in together at 4,5 would be good. I think it is harsh on Kieswetter to drop him from T20's but i think YJB deserves a go, perhaps taking the gloves in ODI's as well.

Posted by kevinpp2412 on (November 28, 2012, 16:20 GMT)

shocking news-- KP is not in T20 squad!! but why he made blasting 186 in test match selectors u forget that?? u need him everywhere if u wana beat india in their home grounds

Posted by Mutukisna on (November 28, 2012, 16:09 GMT)

In my opinion, Matt Prior should be keeping wickets for England in all three formats. For the ODIs and 20/20s he should open the batting or bat first drop when England are batting first, and revert to his usual No 6/7 when England bat second giving him time to recover from his wicket keeping duties.

Posted by 2.14istherunrate on (November 28, 2012, 16:04 GMT)

It's good to see KP back in the squad. With no Swann in the ODI squad I would have given the gig to Monty as he is a proper spinner. Tredwell is fine, but I wonder at the wisdom of playing a 'spinner' who has never actually turned a ball, in India of all places. As a spinner Briggs is a total imposter. It's signals the end of joy and a return to the Emburey years of darts. Frightening how negative England can be when they try. A leggie might have gone for more but given some entertainment. A terrible selection!!

Posted by jb633 on (November 28, 2012, 15:29 GMT)

Why is Prior still not considered. Yes I realise his ODI record is not great but he has come on leaps and bounds in recent years. It really does show that the ECB could not care less about ODI and T2O cricket.

Posted by   on (November 28, 2012, 15:18 GMT)

That is the confidence level of this team! They are dropping the match winners like KP and Swann. Hats off! Can Indian selectors learn little from England counterparts and create a handy bench strength, so that Indian squad looks match winner without the likes of Virat and Zak!

Posted by sk12 on (November 28, 2012, 15:11 GMT)

@ 777aditya - Eng team wihout KP in any format is a joke. he is their Sachin of the 90s.

Posted by   on (November 28, 2012, 15:04 GMT)

If England actually want to win these matches, as opposed to develop and build for the future, I would have thought Panesar and Prior deserve consideration for ODI's in Indian conditions. Panesar should be as good as Tredwell, and Prior a better wicketkeeper/batsman combination currently (maybe not in future) than Bairstow.

Posted by   on (November 28, 2012, 15:01 GMT)

What is so special bout Broad? Before Cook took over from Strauss, I thought Broad is being groomed for England's captaincy. All of us have seen Broad's captaincy & Cook's. And, seen the BIG difference. After the superlative demonstration of the captaincy skills of Cook (off the field -- getting KP back, and on the field -- obvious), grooming Broad for captaincy doesn't arise! And, Cook is capable of playing all the three formats. And, leading with distinction, in all the three. In T-20, he will be the steadying force. And sheet anchor for the first 10 -12 overs or so; so that others can bat, around him, with freedom. May be I am missing something. Broad has something special, which I fail to see!

Posted by   on (November 28, 2012, 14:29 GMT)

Why would they not include Monty in the ODI squad, particularly with Swann out. Do they not realise that the ODI's are still played in India.

Posted by Kitschiguy on (November 28, 2012, 14:26 GMT)

Kevin Pietersen is still learning his lesson. Where most players need to come through periods of training after injury, he will need to 'come through' this period of non-selection without any rants to the tabloid press, childish tweeting or any other ill-advised behaviour.

Posted by   on (November 28, 2012, 14:22 GMT)

Would you have a windies t 20 team without chris gayle... well i feel the same way about england without peterson

Posted by Heisenburg on (November 28, 2012, 14:22 GMT)

Stupid, I remember in the T20 world cup England could have had a very strong batting line up, instead they had a extremely weak batting line up consisting of Kieswetter, Bairstow, Buttler, Patel, When they could have played 1) Hales 2) Shah 3) Bell 4) Pietersen 5) Prior 6) Morgan 7) Wright

Posted by bumsonseats on (November 28, 2012, 14:09 GMT)

well i cannot understand KP missing from the T20 quite strange when he did not play any limited cricket after the in the uk after his dropping, or the T20 WC in SL so why his non selection at the end of the indian tour prior to xmas. he talked about playing in all competitions for england.

Posted by MAK123 on (November 28, 2012, 14:07 GMT)

This "workload" thing has become a cliche'. One wonders why irrelevant terms such as "workload" is being used repeatedly around the world, considering that today's cricketers are professionals and make a lot of money. One is sure no player would ever choose to sit out if they are given a choice.

Posted by 777aditya on (November 28, 2012, 13:44 GMT)

Wonder what KP will feel about this - his choice was to play T20s and tests - he does not like ODIs. Anyway, English team without KP in T20s is a joke!

Posted by jackiethepen on (November 28, 2012, 13:38 GMT)

Omitting KP makes no sense at all. How can playing 2 t20 matches be that tiring for him? He eats them for breakfast. It smacks more of Flower's last stand to me. I hope Ashley is able to move on although the Director of Cricket will still be in charge. I don't think that makes sense. If Giles is the coach for ODIs and t20s he should be able to bring fresh ideas. But perhaps it will take time and Flower will be urged to let go and concentrate on the Tests. Needs some advice in that area from time to time as well judging by the results in India.

Posted by   on (November 28, 2012, 13:34 GMT)

Would be helpful if you could actually name the squads as well as talking about specific selections and omissions. Thank you.

Posted by febx10i on (November 28, 2012, 13:33 GMT)

BCCI should have a serious look at this and learn how not to waste their reserve bench talents...

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