India v England, 3rd Test, Kolkata, 4th day

England on brink of back-to-back Test wins

The Report by Sidharth Monga

December 8, 2012

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India 316 (Tendulkar 76, Gambhir 60, Dhoni 52, Panesar 4-90, Anderson 3-89) and 239 for 9 (Ashwin 83*, Finn 3-37, Anderson 2-38, Swann 2-70) lead England 523 (Cook 190, Trott 87, Trott 57, Pietersen 54, Ojha 4-142) by 32 runs
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Virender Sehwag looks back at the shattered stumps, India v England, 3rd Test, Kolkata, 4th day, December 8, 2012
The ball that started the great Indian slide © BCCI
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For a major part of Saturday, the Barmy Army's band played loud and cheerfully at Eden Gardens as England all but consigned India to their first set of consecutive home Test defeats since 1999-2000.

It was fitting that the "band" drowned out the despondent Indian contingent in the stands, putting in place the jingoistic advertisements put together by the host broadcasters, which ridiculed English people.

The England supporters, though, were silenced a little in the morning session by a mini comeback from India. It was ruthlessly stomped over by Graeme Swann, so far a great support act to Monty Panesar in the series. Just when it seemed India might be slipping away from them for the first time in the Test, Swann assumed the lead role just after lunch.

India had taken England's last four wickets cheaply, then gone to lunch without damage but Swann came back to burst through Virender Sehwag's gate. Cats among pigeons cause less panic. Under relentless pressure, India batted and ran like headless chickens, and went from 86 for 0 to 239 for 9.

When England went into lunch having lost four wickets in 4.3 overs and then conceded 86 runs in 21 wicketless overs, there might have been thoughts of Chennai 2008-09 at the back of their heads. Swann had himself dropped Sehwag on 7 and seen him race to 49 by the break. India were only 121 behind. Out comes Swann and tosses one outside off, putting all his might in trying to turn the ball, creating a gap between Sehwag's pad and his open face, and then hitting the top of off.

India were now like a house of cards in a bicycle stand. Gautam Gambhir, who was assured in Sehwag's company, and Cheteshwar Pujara looked like they would get out any ball. Steven Finn, bowling reverse swing at high pace, and Swann were relentless. The pitch that had looked docile thus far began exploding all of a sudden. It was merely the amount of action put into the ball.

After just 12 runs in close to eight overs in that partnership, Gambhir called Pujara through for a risky single and Ian Bell hit the stumps direct from short midwicket. You could imagine England bowlers fighting to get a bowl now; there were easy wickets on offer.

Gambhir was nearly gone when a replay to check the validity of a low catch off Swann revealed he hadn't edged it at all. In the next over, Gambhir went driving at a wide and full ball from Finn, edging him through to Matt Prior. Just to prolong his agony, the umpires asked him to wait at the edge of the boundary as they checked for a foot fault that wasn't.

With Gambhir finally gone, focus turned to Sachin Tendulkar, playing surely his last Test innings at Eden Gardens. He had got four with a trademark lap sweep but, two balls later, stayed back to an offbreak pitched on a length. The ball from Swann didn't turn as much as he expected it to, and took the outside edge to Jonathan Trott at slip: 107 for 4.

Before India could draw breath, Finn was replaced by an even more threatening James Anderson. Reverse swing at high pace again. Virat Kohli and Yuvraj Singh somehow added 15 before Anderson bowled one short of a length, and it shot low to take the bottom edge and crash into Yuvraj's stumps. MS Dhoni came in. MS Dhoni got one short outside off. MS Dhoni followed it tamely. MS Dhoni went back: 122 for 6.

Kohli was next, beautifully set up by Finn. Immediately after reversing one ball in to Kohli's bat handle, Finn inverted the shine of the ball and got it to move away. Kohli didn't have the discipline, followed it, and was taken at the wicket. He followed it with a symbolic wicket of Zaheer Khan with a reversing inswinger. Here was a former master of reverse swing who has become an innocuous trundler being shown how to do it.

A bit of comedy followed. Panesar, who had been sawn off for a golden duck in the morning, had both Ashwin and Ishant Sharma missed off his bowling. If looks could kill, England would be looking for a new wicketkeeper.

R Ashwin, arguably India's most consistent Test batsman this year, continued to show he is a better batsman than he is a spinner. In the company of the obdurate Ishant Sharma and Pragyan Ojha, he added 80 in 29.3 overs. All it did was help find the spirited Indian crowd some voice, avoid an innings defeat, and take the match into the final day.

It also brought up a statistic that sums up India's series. His batting average for the series now crossed 50, behind only Pujara's, but it was still lower than his own bowling average.

Sidharth Monga is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo

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Posted by SFGoldenGate on (December 9, 2012, 0:18 GMT)

@ Satyavan Sharma, Your statement , "If Sehwag and Gambhir can play long innings, then the others could contribute too." is laughable :D. if Cook and Compton plays well others can contribute too, or Simith and Peterson plays well other can contribute in SA team. The truth is Cook , compton, Smith, Peterson etc are contributing and Sehwag and Gambhir simply is not. One thing is right, over the years when Sehwag gave a good start and Dravid gave the solidity, Laxman gave finishing, SRT contributed something meaningful. Without others SRT is exposed naked. And yes, team gave the Britain players a very good surprise indeed :D

Posted by nilb on (December 8, 2012, 23:56 GMT)

I wonder where are the people who said "England can't play spin". "This is a revenge series after 4-0" defeat in England", Used the word minnows to insult other giant test playing teams who are miles ahead of India in test cricket, told India is the "Worlds best team(tm)". I think they must be sleeping now dreaming India is still better in one dayers and 20-20 LOL.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 23:39 GMT)

Sehwag said Bangladesh are ordinary...,in india's current form in tests now, Bangladesh would beat them lol

Posted by pom_don on (December 8, 2012, 23:27 GMT)

I was wondering when you were going to crawl out of the woodwork RandyOZ usual boring drivel.....from you that is, not the cricket! You seem to take to slagging us off when you have nothing to crow about for your own team.

Posted by CricketingStargazer on (December 8, 2012, 23:26 GMT)

@RandyOz, it's good to have you back. You have been quiet for weeks and we've been missing you on here. If you count the #2 Test team as a minnow you are so right. And next summer England will have more mid-table opposition and we've all seen the depressed posts by Australians giving that series up as a certain loss for you. Not so sure about the dead pitches and, if it is boring, no need to watch. I think though that most people will disagree with you on the boring bit, here has been some gripping Test cricket this winter and that has included series including much lower ranked sides than India. Unfortuntely the T20 mentality is invading at all levels: if it's longer than 20 overs, it must be boring. In fact, series like this are showing just how exciting Test cricket can be: no waiting around a full day to see if a weak attack can somehow knock over the tail!

Posted by 2.14istherunrate on (December 8, 2012, 23:22 GMT)

Totally brilliant from England with those destructive qualities that went AWOL during the earlier part of the year. Without wanting to look too gfar ahead I am looking forward to Nagpur nonetheless while I enjpoy this victory in Kolkata,assuming ashwin does not get to 400 today. Hopefully an hour will see to this and we will have one hand on the series.

Posted by bonobo on (December 8, 2012, 23:20 GMT)

I am and England fan and obviously delighted, but we havent actually won the series.....so let us enjoy the win, but not gloat about it....and Indian fans have patience, England maz now be favorites, but is perfectly conceivable you could win the next match and there will be talk of a great fight back.....Ashwin looks a geunine allrounder and talented bowler who just needs time....where was Swann at his age ?

Posted by Syed_imran_abbas on (December 8, 2012, 23:18 GMT)

Well done England. Patel should be replaced with morgan. Cook, KP, Prior, Swan and monty are stars of this series. This series proves that Pakistan has far better test team than india because they beat England 4-0 in not even on home picthes and crowd. There is gona be a cracking test series between South Africa and Pakistan. Looking forward to it.

Posted by handyandy6666uk on (December 8, 2012, 23:01 GMT)

@RandyOZ...This battle of the minnows is incredibly boring to watch. Two average teams slogging it out on dead pitches. No wonder the crowds arent there....if england classed as minnows what does that make australia..memory served me right we won 3-1 last time we visited your shores,,and by big margins to boot

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 22:49 GMT)

Its not over folks...this is Eden garden where stranger things have happened. If India somehow gets a lead of 100 in these conditions, it could get tricky for England, if they lose Cook and Pietersen in quick succession.... u never know what might happen

Posted by jb633 on (December 8, 2012, 22:33 GMT)

It's great to hear some of the knowledgable Indian fans speaking of the IPL in such a damning fashion. I have long been saying that the IPL will be the death of India as a top draw side and the evidence is here for all to see. It is not that India don't have the talent, anyone who thinks this is clueless. It is not that Indians have the wrong genetics etc again that is rubbish. Plain and simple the IPL has removed any motivation to play for the national side. T20 is the easy option, it allows average hoickers to be considered great. It removes the fear factor of losing your wicket. It removes the skill of bowling to take wickets, not contain. Why will the likes of Sehwag bother trying to apply himself to help India when he can go and slog a quick 20 for a franchise he could't care less about, and get paid more Why will Zaheer work for days on his fitness when he can get paid more to bowl 4 overs in game nobody is really paying any attention to. IPL= Poor national team.

Posted by Jaffa79 on (December 8, 2012, 22:32 GMT)

RandyOz! Welcome back! Not seen you on these pages much recently. After yet another home Test defeat and an imminent England victory in India (a place that Australia has historically struggled) I would have thought you'd be too embarrassed to comment. Don't worry though RandyOz...you have Phil Hughes and Mitchell Johnson back! Hahahahahahaha!

Posted by Red37 on (December 8, 2012, 22:30 GMT)

Hello Randy. I see you have "recovered" from the drubbing your lot suffered "at home" once again. Now you can focus on ridiculing the other Saffa team that can't play in sub-continent conditions blah blah blah. I should go back to sleep if I were you until Oz can find a team worthy of test status.

Posted by Chris_P on (December 8, 2012, 22:23 GMT)

@brusselslion. Yep, TheBengalTiger certainly boasted about revenge & claimed a 4-0 series win stating how England can't play spin with India being invincible at home. Along with about 30 or so others as well.

Posted by notgburns on (December 8, 2012, 22:03 GMT)

Where are all the India fans saying India will crush England on their own turf? Seems like there are very few comments... oh well...

RandyOZ: England are on the verge of doing what the aussies couldn't for decades, win a series in India. Oh, they're also been ranked higher than Australia for the last 3 years. But minnows, yeah...

What a rubbish post, you should really feel bad about yourself.

Posted by Headbandenator on (December 8, 2012, 22:02 GMT)

Time for several retirements, I think. Zaheer Khan, Tendulkar, Sehwag, Yuvraj Singh, and maybe Donhi too.

Posted by dontlikecricket on (December 8, 2012, 21:57 GMT)

So far it has been a good series. It has shown what I expected for a few months now that Indian team in on a steep decline. They bowling in particular has been shocking, actually more shocking than I thought it would be before start of the series. I believe their bowling is more or less same standard as Bangladesh cricket now. England deserves to win this series. I know English media and fans are making it a big deal, however the reason for their good performance is mainly due to the extremely poor standard of Indian bowling. Change the bowlers with SA or Pak and to some extent SL and the results will be different under even Indian condtions. Regardless you still have to put the opposition down regardless how weak they are!!

Posted by SDHM on (December 8, 2012, 21:52 GMT)

@RandyOz - nice to have you back man, guess that slap in the face at Perth hurt a bit? It's OK, Phil Hughes will save you... :P

Posted by hhillbumper on (December 8, 2012, 21:47 GMT)

Can someone remind me how bad England are in these conditions because I thought they were due to lose 4-0.Also has anyone seen some certain Aussie fans who normally crop up here to say how bad we are.It seems we are softening them up for the Aussies once more.

Posted by disco_bob on (December 8, 2012, 21:44 GMT)

Instead of giving the Indian spectators some blessed relief and surrendering his wicket after his 50, thus mercifully bringing this match to a close, he chooses to go for glory and force everyone to come back the next day to watch a token chase.

A selfish display by Ashwin, simply to avoid the ignominy of an innings defeat.

Posted by The_bowlers_Holding on (December 8, 2012, 21:19 GMT)

So England are probably going to beat India in the test series, if India then win the ODI series then Indian fans shouldn't allow this to paper over the Grand Canyon sized cracks. No excuses over pitches, players having retired etc. when you are failing woefully on a regular basis you need to take stock and come up witht a plan to fix it (England had to in the early 2000's). The resources India have available (ie. money, population base, lack of other competitive sport) means like Chappel said the shouldn't have the best side in the world, they should have the best 5.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 21:17 GMT)

Shocking to see India play in such poor manner. The players seem to be just going through the motion, instead of fighting it out in the middle. Time for a change. Bring players who are doing well in the domestic league and give them chances. No point of persisting with the same players, when India has such a large pool of talent to choose from. All the best.

Posted by madras_boy on (December 8, 2012, 21:17 GMT)

Itz really pathetic to watch India playing like this. After the hammering they got in England and Australia in the test series, now they are hammered at HOME... Is the team really worth playing at the test level in its current form ??? Think all indian cricketers are good only for IPL and not test games.

Posted by RandyOZ on (December 8, 2012, 21:14 GMT)

This battle of the minnows is incredibly boring to watch. Two average teams slogging it out on dead pitches. No wonder the crowds arent there.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 21:03 GMT)

Article after article blames Ashwin for his bowling saying he needs to find patience or he needs to bowl at this speed or that...

If our batsman had shown some patience and skill to play some relatively moderate spin bowling from English (yes moderate, who were made to look dangerous), we would have had two tame draws and the the series would probably still be 1-0 in India's favor. Both in Bombay and here, it was our batting that was way below par. And that made our spinners look far worse than they really are.

Posted by Vik2660 on (December 8, 2012, 20:59 GMT)

Shame on u Mr Dhoni and all the batsmen. Now take moral responsibility and resign. You guys cannot play on fast tracks now not even on slow and spinning tracks. Stop playing cricket and spare us Indians from this humiliation.

Posted by bobmartin on (December 8, 2012, 20:58 GMT)

@TheBengalTiger.... England are beating a rubbish Indian side eh ? Well you said it.. But we can only play against the team the selectors put up against us on tracks your captain asked for and in your conditions..... I see the words "Whitewash" and "Revenge" have suddenly become absent from your vocabulary... Still never mind... you did win the ODI World Cup and you do have the IPL.. so I guess everything is right with India's world... except of course your Test world.. which from being #1 only a short while ago, is crumbling away like a sandcastle at high tide..

Posted by SachinRao on (December 8, 2012, 20:46 GMT)

Its just plain lack of intensity and desire to win. There's nothing in the body language to suggest that it is making any difference. I think Duncan Fletcher would have been more useful as a roller for the pitches than he has to the team.Joe Dawes might be in a drunken stupor saying Zaheer is a top 6 bowler in today's day and age.What we need is a new coaching team, maybe John Wright or possibly Steve Waugh if he is interested. New set of youngsters interested in putting in the yards. I find it lame when ppl talk about Laxman and Dravid when the same people were baying for their blood.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 20:43 GMT)

MS Dhoni: First Class average 36.38 R Ashwin: First Class average 36.11 The following is the list of first class matches played by every Indian in this match(Excluding International Matches) Sehwag-65 Gambhir-86 Pujara-54 Sachin-105 Kholi-31 Yuvraj-64 Dhoni-41 Ashwin-35 Zakeer-68 Ishant-26 Ojha-47 At the Age of 31, Dhoni has played just 41 first class matches, (Ishant aged 24, Kholi aged 24 and Ashwin aged 26 are the only players with less ranji experiences). Does Dhoni has the right temperament and Experience to be a good batsman in Indian TEST team? Dinesh Karthik- 82 first class matches, averages 40.48(average includes his international tests) Wriddhiman Saha- 48 first class matches, averages 45.30(average includes his international tests) Parthiv Patel- 102 first class matches, averages 42.41(average includes his international tests) Aren't these wicket keepers better batsmen than Dhoni in TESTs? Is Dhoni there in the TEST Squad only for his Captaincy?

Posted by Mass_Hypnosis on (December 8, 2012, 20:40 GMT)

Sehwag/rahane/Kohli/Pujara/Tiwary/Dhoni/Ashwin/Irfan Pathan/Amit Mishra/Ojha/Ishant

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 20:36 GMT)

India and BCCI are reaping what they have sowm over the past 3 or 4 years and we're pleased to see it. They can keep their pointless IPL and all their ill-gotten riches. they're of no use when their team is so poor and they may well not be able to see any way out of their current malaise. Their old guard, and they were marvellous players all, were always going to retire some day and they have seemingly put not planned at all. Kohli, Yuvraj and Raina etc are showboaters not worth their place, Dhoni is a mediocre captain and even worse keeper, Zaheer has had his best days. It's sad to see and a lesson. Oh... and before any Indian fan says "just wait for the ODI series", remember that NEXT TO NOBODY IN ENGLAND IS THE SLIGHTEST BIT INTERESTED IN THEM....certainly not as much as the money-grabbing BCCI.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 20:33 GMT)

Indian test team is a joke... led by a person who does not qualify for the team.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 20:29 GMT)

MS Dhoni: First Class average 36.38 R Ashwin: First Class average 36.11 The following is the list of first class matches played by every Indian in this match(Excluding International Matches) Sehwag-65 Gambhir-86 Pujara-54 Sachin-105 Kholi-31 Yuvraj-64 Dhoni-41 Ashwin-35 Zakeer-68 Ishant-26 Ojha-47 At the Age of 31, Dhoni has played just 41 first class matches, (Ishant aged 24, Kholi aged 24 and Ashwin aged 26 are the only players with less ranji experiences). Does Dhoni has the right temperament and Experience to be a good batsman in Indian TEST team? Dinesh Karthik- 82 first class matches, averages 40.48(average includes his international tests) Wriddhiman Saha- 48 first class matches, averages 45.30(average includes his international tests) Parthiv Patel- 102 first class matches, averages 42.41(average includes his international tests) Aren't these wicket keepers better batsmen than Dhoni in TESTs? Is Dhoni there in the TEST Squad only for his Captaincy? Can India afford a play

Posted by kishoreb4 on (December 8, 2012, 20:29 GMT)

India needs to go under complete transformation in test cricket. Only then India can regain its lost momentum.Other wise it will face many embarrassments going further.

Posted by Tama_Pokai66 on (December 8, 2012, 20:19 GMT)

good to see the average indian side get a beat down. there is too much hype around this team who is only capable of winning against minnow sides. 1.2 billion people only playing a single sport and indians still can't win matches. shame

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 20:03 GMT)

I thought may be India can save the match atleast after the 1st session of day 4. But well played India to get me back to reality!!!!!! Y not follow rotation policy!!!! Anyway we are not even close to winning with 'the best team'. Let ppl like rahane, rohit, pankaj singh get a chance atleast as it wont make any difference to the losing result!!!!

Posted by brusselslion on (December 8, 2012, 20:02 GMT)

I think that the two excellent recent articles penned by Sidharth Monga ('Year of Denial' & 'From magic to harsh reality ..') should be required reading for all Indian players and their supporters. One paragraph in the latter article seems to sum up things nicely:

"... In their minds they are still the world's No. 1 in Tests and should have won World Twenty20 if not for five minutes of rain. Somewhere down the line this team changed from one that was bitterly disappointed at coming back from South Africa with a 1-1 draw to one that was indifferent to two whitewashes, looking for excuses and not reasons."

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 19:52 GMT)

Hats Off to Ashwin. He taught the senior batsmen how to play Test cricket in testing times and take the game to day 5. Tomorrow it will be 'Return' to Eden' for the Poms as they sing HMV His Master's Voice in Kolkata.

India should now seriously think of inviting Bangladesh to play a test series in India. It will be commercially viable. Bangladesh has a fan following in the millions if not billions.

Go Poms. Go for a 3-1 Indian Summer in Nagpur.

Posted by A_Yorkshire_Lad on (December 8, 2012, 19:50 GMT)

@BengalTiger - England fans getting carried away on the verge of going 2-1 up against India IN India ? You really think so ?? What , after being told by SO many people on SO many cricinfo threads that we were about to be on the wrong end of the mother of all hammerings ? And , purely in the interests of balance (no doubt) , that we would be forcibly spoon-fed our long-overdue and well-deserved helpings of your VENGEANCE for having the impudence to actually beat India 4-0 in a series , fair and square ? And , no , no-one has forgotten the home defeat to South Africa - at least we weren't in denial about it.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 19:36 GMT)

To England fans, congrats well played. U have a better team. Hopefully we will rebuild a better team on our England tour in 2015 and give U a tough fight.

Posted by cric4world on (December 8, 2012, 19:35 GMT)

there is not a single thing wrong with indian players they r as talented as one can b. but they dont succeed as a team becoz of impact IPL is making on their cricket n becoz of their big headed fans who try to talk big instead of understanding the game. if we say IPL is bad for cricket they think we only say that becoz its indian league. the whole standard of cricket is going down bcoz of SLPL, BPL and soon PPL. i hope PCB find some brains n avoid PPL. IPL and big money is making ur players super stars before they even become a part of national team how can that b good for any country's cricket?b thankful to heavy weight players like sachin , sehwag n dhoni who can control dressing room, once they r gone all ur superstars will b fighting for captaincy and more stardom. india desperately needs kohli to become india's backbone so the coming players can accept him as a captain otherwise india will become a floating team just like pakistan was a couple of years ago

Posted by Warm_Coffee on (December 8, 2012, 19:33 GMT)

India should play minnows like New Zealand or Ireland so they at least have a chance :)

Posted by brusselslion on (December 8, 2012, 19:32 GMT)

@TheBengalTiger on (December 08 2012, 18:11 PM GMT): Is this the same person who was predicting a 4-0 win for India a month ago?

Posted by CricketFundas on (December 8, 2012, 19:27 GMT)

I've been a big critic of the English team especially after their shoddy display against Pakistan. But surely England have done themselves very proud on this tour to India. The batsmen overcame their mental demons and played some great cricket, and the bowlers came back from the first test drubbing and bowled marvelously since. Great job England, you do deserve to go on and win the series!

Dhoni needs to step back after this series and relook at his "win at all cost" strategy. No spinning tracks in the warm up games for the visitors, no quality spinners in the warm up games, demands for tracks that turn from day 1... if anything, Dhoni has lost a lot of respect in the cricketing world. He's gone from a leader who trusts his team to win under any circumstances, to a leader who shows he has little faith in his team by having to orchestrate a bunch of things to ensure a victory. The BCCI should really (for a change) do the right thing for world and indian cricket and rein Dhoni in.

Posted by PTtheAxis on (December 8, 2012, 19:26 GMT)

@ ankush0531 - are batsman and bowlers labelled so from birth ? why cant ashwin play as a batsman when he is a better batsman than the so-called batsman. does batsmen have batsman tattooed on their neck from birth ? he can be a batsman who can also bowl some overs. a batting allrounder. whats the harm in that ?

Posted by yorkshirematt on (December 8, 2012, 19:25 GMT)

@TheBengalTiger Eh? You've a funny definition of "english" conditions. 28 degress, sun beating down, spinning track. What exactly is "english" about that?

Posted by Indiana_jones99 on (December 8, 2012, 19:15 GMT)

It really drives home the hammering India got in the hand of England last summer as it is a long time England had handed out that kind of beating. Now 2-1 after 3 matches just confirms England class and the incompetence of India. Ishant sharma with his unkempt hair epitomises the indian team. Isn't there anybody in the coaching staff to point out where the stumps and the idea is to attack the stumps and not spray the ball either side of the stumps most of the time. May be his hair is obscuring his eyes. I have been following Indian cricket for the last 50 years but never have I been as depressed as in the last 2 years. I think with too much money in their bank accounts and chasing every rupee by doing commercials (heaven knows why they need it after the money they make from IPL) the hunger and pride for playing for your country has gone out this bunch of nohopers. It is time to kick the lot out and start with some new young blood.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 19:09 GMT)

The problem is much more deep rooted. We can change the entire Indian Team with a younger lot, but need to get the priorities right first. The change has to come from the top

Posted by oval77 on (December 8, 2012, 18:46 GMT)

We've had more than a year of comments from India fans often in CAPS LOCK assuring us that England were tigers at home but PAPER TIGERS anywhere else and that VENGEANCE would be India's as Eng were HUMILIATED by Ashwin's MYSTERY BALL. ... So I take it this is all going to happen tomorrow in the 30-odd run chase for victory? :)

Posted by GRVJPR on (December 8, 2012, 18:44 GMT)

@ankush0531 Then why whose job is batting are not batting. They should also be dropped by same logic

Posted by TRAM on (December 8, 2012, 18:43 GMT)

Face it India. This is the curse from Badri/Mukund/Jaffer/Kaif/ etc. etc How many centuries these people have scored for their state/zonal teams. Did the selectors do anything at all? The most ill-treated player Badri would have scored at least 2 centuries if he was given the 3 tests chances, apart from being a very good fielder. So are others.

Posted by Front-Foot-Lunge on (December 8, 2012, 18:38 GMT)

England have outclassed India in every facet of the game: Fitness, fielding& catching, batting skills, bowling skills - having the better spinners, and faster, more skillful pace men. India are no match for this England team at their best.

Posted by Charlie101 on (December 8, 2012, 18:37 GMT)

The Indian selectors should have started making some changes when they lost 4 nil in England . Perhaps Laxman should have gone after the England series but the team went forward to Australia and lost 4 nil. This really shows weak management and I am not sure they have the grit to make some changes before the 4th test .

Posted by sports99 on (December 8, 2012, 18:35 GMT)

Just fire Dhoni and make Virat as captain and ask Sachin to announce retirement. Thats all needed. We were top ranking purely because of batsman made a lot of runs that time and that always helped our bowlers to win matches. Bowling was worry, is worry and will be worry period

Posted by arun_cheers on (December 8, 2012, 18:33 GMT)

a nice sum up of the real state of indian test cricket in the last 2 years. A few observations here : 1) India became number one because of just 3 reasons or factors. a) Sehwag's centuries used to win us the matches. b) Laxman used to save matches for india when the team looked down the barrel and possible defeats on numerous occassions c) Bowling was good enough to win us matches at least in subcontinent conditions . 2) Now Sehwag not in good form and Laxman leaving the international scene due to the frequent snubs and lack of support from Mr. Arrogant Dhoni , there is no match winner nor is there a match saviour in the team. That's worsened with the lack of teeth in the bowling line up with the presence of ineffective test bowlers like Ashwin.

Posted by GRVJPR on (December 8, 2012, 18:31 GMT)

Sachin Tendulkar - Who is He??? I don't want to remember him.

Posted by SDHM on (December 8, 2012, 18:29 GMT)

@RednWhiteArmy - the way Ashwin has played suggests to me that this is still a fairly decent batting pitch, and England's bowlers have gotten far more out of this surface than India's. Basically, with a bit of application, you shouldn't be effectively 31-9 - India's middle order has let them down horrendously (only Yuvraj was truly done in by something unplayable I think - his kept really low), and England would probably have felt comfortable chasing more than us the fans think they can. But I'm with you - Abu Dhabi has scarred me to the point that I don't think England will make any run chase they're given nowadays! Just please get the last wicket quickly - I get the feeling they'll be fired up tomorrow, they'll be angry at themselves for not wrapping it up tonight - knock off what you have to knock off, head to Nagpur, maybe win a toss for once... we can but dream. But just GET THAT LAST WICKET!

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 18:28 GMT)

Kohli, Raina and Yuvaraj.... are these players are worth playing Test cricket ? ..If they can't stand on wicket in India, can you imagine how many balls they survive in SA tour in 2013 ?...and Tendulkar should stop begging for his place in playing XI. Enough. Nothing happened with Tendulkar having in the playing XI since 0-4 in England and 0-4 in Oz. And his bat-pad bowled was further exploited by young NZ bowlers over Indian pitches. Man go.

Posted by ankush0531 on (December 8, 2012, 18:27 GMT)

india will not be good test side for up coming 20 years untill ipl stops

Posted by RK.Chandru on (December 8, 2012, 18:25 GMT)

The real quality lies in making use of the reprieve one gets. Ishant too got one; but, was dismissed in the very next ball. Well educated Ashwin at least has a thinking brain under his hat. Give him the cushion of sufficient runs, an attacking field and a captain who trusts him. He'll sure do well as a bowler too. After all, he's the one who has proved there are no demons in the pitch and it's a beautiful batting strip full of runs and had the established batsmen applied themselves, we too could have scored in excess of 500 runs. When Kohlis, Rainas, Rohits, Zaheers, Sachins are spared from wrath failures after failures, series after series, why find a scapegoat in poor Ashwin and write filthy, junk like, "He's in the team as a bowler and not as a batsman" etc., How about Zaheer and Ishant then? Why the hell are they in the team? When Finn and Anderson can take wickets here, why not they? Uncomfortable questions??? Stop finding easy scapegoats and blame everyone impartially...

Posted by ankush0531 on (December 8, 2012, 18:19 GMT)

Most of the fans will not agree with my view. ASHWIN should be dropped for next test match. HIs job is to bowl not bat. His bowling is looking very average. Most of runs came from his bowling .He is turning out to be a ajnatha mendis.bring back amit mishra or chavla. India need a good fast bowling coach like wasim or srinath. Please dont comment on sachin because he is not going to retire till 2015.my prediction is dhoni will resgn after this series and yuvraj and ishant will be dropped.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 18:19 GMT)

Ashwin reminds of VVS Laxman. He had that glimpse of touch play of laxman and built in same stature of VVS.

Posted by Indiana_jones99 on (December 8, 2012, 18:17 GMT)

It really drives home the hammering India got in the hand of England last summer as it is a long time England had handed out that kind of beating. Now 2-1 after 3 matches just confirms England class and the incompetence of India. Ishant sharma with his unkempt hair epitomises the indian team. Isn't there anybody in the coaching staff to point out where the stumps and the idea is to attack the stumps and not spray the ball either side of the stumps most of the time. May be his hair is obscuring his eyes. I have been following Indian cricket for the last 50 years but never have I been as depressed as in the last 2 years. I think with too much money in their bank accounts and chasing every rupee by doing commercials (heaven knows why they need it after the money they make from IPL) the hunger and pride for playing for your country has gone out this bunch of nohopers. It is time to kick the lot out and start with some new young blood.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 18:14 GMT)

I still think you have to give credit to England for playing so well that India have become so demoralised. Remember the first Test. India won comfortably. They are still a good team. Saying that, I think some of the Indian team regard themselves as untouchable. Not Sachin, though he should retire soon before he becomes a bit of an embarrassment. I am talking about Sehwag. He gives off the wrong vibe. Couldn't give a toss about the Test team. He just wants to be a big man whacking the ball at the top of the innings. I like Ashwin, kohli, Ojha...all the young guns...India need to move on...but does the country really care about Test cricket??? Where are the crowds?? is it too expensive for your average local. Having been to India 3 times, I am aware of the poverty and the understandable obsession with money....hence the interest in T20...anyway...2-1 but one more to go...India are good enough to fight back...anymore spinners up your sleeves???

Posted by TheBengalTiger on (December 8, 2012, 18:11 GMT)

Typical England fans, getting carried away. You got hammered by South Africa in your own country like 2 months ago, remember that. You'e beating a rubbish Inida side in English conditions at the moment, nothing to be proud of

Posted by Stephen_Smith on (December 8, 2012, 18:10 GMT)

poor indian fans, finally realizing how worthless their team actually is. cook, u r a legend buddy. keep it up

Posted by HURRICANE.Sehwag on (December 8, 2012, 18:07 GMT)

Ipl can't and wont be stopped, thanks to the power of money. It is just hastening the inevitable death of Indian cricket. The lineup which was considered the most dangerous in the world, the lineup which had no place for the world no. 2 batsman (kohli) in the world cup,the team which used to have one of the the best spin combo in the world, the team which used to have one of the most inspiring and aggressive leaders who never used to give up, is going down the drain. I don't understand how many people are still interested in the IPL matches which are of no way related to national reputation but are just sport casinos.

Posted by prabhat112 on (December 8, 2012, 18:06 GMT)

Bcci should establish a technical committee to look into the reasons of such pathetic display for the past 1 1/2 year.The points to ponder must be 1. motivation to play for country 2. Pitches used in domestic circuit 3. selection criteria 4. Attitude and temperament for Test/ODI/T20 5. Availability of national team's players in domestic tournaments 6.Proper planning for promoting raw talents to national team . The performance of the team which was no.1 and never lost a test at home is hard to swallow , but there is something wrong with the attitude of the players . And the most of the responsibility goes to the captain . While some of the things may be achieved over a due course of time but some of the things may be done instantly to induce some sort of success . And by the way , Ashwin's innings is one the best i have seen in years . Maybe it gives some hope to the country and it's players.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 18:02 GMT)

Wouldn't be surprised one bit if Pakistan beat India soon. Tedulkar, Yuvraj, Zaheer, Ashwin and Dhoni must go. Gambhir needs to stop running out other batsmen. Unless there is a change in the selectors and long-term thinking by the BCCI, India will not proaper anytime soon. Give the young blood a chance to learn for the future instead of persisting with the oldies who are not goodies any longer.

Posted by Anwaruzz on (December 8, 2012, 17:57 GMT)

Recently my comments has been flagged as no go by the moderators. STILL first, if Tendulkar has any self respect he should retire, no matter what his chamchas says or writes. Secondly, India shud realise their batting and bowling is not good enough for test matches, either traveling or hosting. Offcourse, there are some good new finds but the team is carrying too much luggage and the Board shud have the courage to call a spade A SPADE and inject new blood. IND cric/board is now too much dependant on money they have been cashing in at the detriment of Indian cause and, sorry, IND is no more considered a major force on the world scene. WAKE UP GUYS!!! IPL is not the world but only money.

Posted by Polkadey-mudalali on (December 8, 2012, 17:53 GMT)

@ Trickstar- I don't know in what world prior is the best keeper batsmen...That goes to sanga..He's number two Batsmen in ICC rankings...Dhoni is a better keeper than him too. (a better keeper batsmen in ODI than in tests)..Prior is behind by some distance to both of these keeper batsmen...

Posted by JasonMac on (December 8, 2012, 17:51 GMT)

Lol at the Indians. Getting a hiding in your own backyard. I thought you folks were experts in flat wickets. Your so called God of Cricket made a career out of playing in flat wickets. Cook and KP are much better players than your Indian batsman's.

Posted by JasonMac on (December 8, 2012, 17:47 GMT)

What happened to the whitewash eh Indians? All that noise..where did it go? It's well known India can't play on non-flat wickets, but who would have guessed that you would struggle even in flat wickets; your bread and butter. Your team is ordinary. Getting records on flat wickets means nothing, your players are still ordinary. 3-1

Posted by GRVJPR on (December 8, 2012, 17:37 GMT)

It will be the greatest moment when sachin tendulakr's average goes below 50 in test cricket. this is what happens when you take the unconditional respect and love of fans for granted

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas_Atheist on (December 8, 2012, 17:33 GMT)

Now the mighty elephant lasted a mighty one over. What a shame! Right right, nobody to replace Statchin haan?! But aren't we suffering anyway? What a money minded bunch we have as selectors when they are supposed to be bloody minded!

Posted by csowmi7 on (December 8, 2012, 17:32 GMT)

As an Indian I feel that the only way that we're going to improve as a side if we admit that we played badly and try to rectify our mistakes instead of making excuses. We must bury our pride and admit that this England side is better than our Indian team at the moment. Sehwag and Gambhir are totally out of nick and hardly post an opening partnership above 30. Pujara and Kohli are still new to international cricket as are Ojha and Ashwin and cannot be expected to perform every match as they will only learn in the future. Yuvraj is not fit for test cricket as is Dhoni who is a walking wicket. Not to mention Tendulkar who is well past his prime. Lets not even talk about our fast bowling which is pathetic barring Yadav. Whereas England have a side at the height of its powers and batsman at their prime in Cook,Trott and pieterson along with 2 excellent spinners and an excellent pace attack. They also have the luxury of Prior who is the best wicket keeper batsman in the world at the moment.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 17:29 GMT)

Indians played with no responsibility. Cant blame gambhir for 2 runouts,just badluck. Pls drop DHONI for( SAHA r PARTHIV),SRT for RAHANE,YUVRAJ for (TIWARY r ROHITH),KHAN for SANDEEP SINGH).Give another chance for KOHLI , if he fails den play (JADEJA) in place f him. PLEASE DO SAVE TEST CRIC IN INDIA SELECTORS.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 17:27 GMT)

all the credits goes to R Ashwin and specially to Ishant Sharmat atleast he did what was required! a fast bowler who doesn't know the ABC of batting played an outstanding knock and gave ashwin some support!!!! Hats off to both of them, and rest should retire!!!!

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 17:22 GMT)

I am very eager to know what dhoni is going to say now.I am unable to believe or digest whats happening now.Dhoni cannot be in test side even as an player but he is captaining the team.Dear sachin,i loved u so much but for your satisfaction/desire selfishness or whatever the reason u r sticking to the side and spoiling the teams chances.Zak,SRT has to retire dhoni has to be dropped(bring in saha/dinesh karthick/parthiv).Ashwin must be in the side as a allrounder and another bowler must take his bowlers slot.Drop yuvraj and Gambir and bring in Manoj tiwary and rahane.Do something selectors for saving indian cricket

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 17:20 GMT)

@Satish Madhekar - One swallow does not make a summer. Things will turn around soon for India with all their depth queing up, thanks to IPL. Other cricketing countries will suffer the same fate - in time, including The Proteas, who have several IPL players on board. On the contrary, look at Faff, an IPL player, showing the test nations of the world how to perform with great tenacity and this is the exact opposite to what you are saying about India batsmen and bowlers in my opinion.

Posted by Cricketfan101 on (December 8, 2012, 17:17 GMT)

@aakash ahuja i argee with that partically this team has has lost thee concept of playing test get rid of some non preforms and it could soon change

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 17:16 GMT)

It's the pitch. Blame the damn pitch.

Posted by JG2704 on (December 8, 2012, 17:14 GMT)

Well played the England bowlers who have all contributed - even Jimmy Anderson who was an empty vessel making alot of noise acc to one poster the other day. After a poor start losing Prior and Swann early and adding very few runs to the overnight total I thought we could be in for a very uncomfortable day/2 days - esp after the Ind openers got them off and running. I must also give huge credit to Ashwin for showing some positive intent with the bat and making England bat again.

Posted by Ajay1976 on (December 8, 2012, 17:13 GMT)

Its really sad to see the continuous decline of Indian Cricket we have lived with the tag "tigers at home minnows abroad" which was some consolation now even that tag has to be now reinvented... The lack of application on behalf of the batsmen is appalling...

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 17:13 GMT)

Want a team for final test.....Try Ranji players except Sachin (no comments) and Dhoni (to prove again that he is good captain because he had good team to play with).....Try 1. Wasim Jaffer 2. Shewag or Ghambhir 3. Pujara 4. Kaif 5. Sachin 6. Dhoni 7. Yuvraj/Kohli 8. Ashwin 9. Shami ahmad 10. Shabaz Nadeem 11. Ojha/awana or may be some one else

Posted by JG2704 on (December 8, 2012, 17:07 GMT)

@GRVJPR on (December 08 2012, 06:08 AM GMT) Pretty desperate comments there. To go 2-1 up vs a side who were supposed to whitewash us 4-0 - well "Ordinary" aint so bad

Posted by imrankhan76uk on (December 8, 2012, 16:58 GMT)

Statchin must play for another 5 years and more he is feels like it.... vote for Statchin....YES :))

Posted by BilalcheemaXI on (December 8, 2012, 16:54 GMT)

when india lost to england 4-0, instead of making an all out effort to improve the major issues everybody in india said oh no problem we'll win at home they cant play spin we saw that in UAE vs Pakistan bla bla bla...here we r !!! unfortunately india don't hav an ajmal or a rehman...eng vs india last 7 tests, eng 6 Ind 1 ... nd anybody mind telling me where is that KYA TEAM INDIA BJA PAYE GI ANGREZON KA BAND advertisement !

Posted by SixoverSlips on (December 8, 2012, 16:52 GMT)

This "Retire Tendulkar" has been a big excuse for this massively underperforming team and has masked the real shortcomings of the team. Frankly, Tendulkar is not a concern. He played a very good innings in the first innings and was dismissed four out of four very good balls in the last two Test matches. The real problem lies with India's bowling (everyone bar Ohja can be dropped) and some confused messed-up batsmen (Gambhir, Yuvraj, Dhoni).

Rahane Sehwag Pujara Tendulkar Kohli (c) Tiwary Saha Dinda Ohja Spinner (new) Seamer (new) for the next Test

Posted by Sudhansu_83 on (December 8, 2012, 16:49 GMT)

In stead of what should have been 4-0 whitewash it is getting back at India only.All its tricks have failed and the pure reason is out of form players and much better opponent who proved that they were not only good in their own backyard but also in India too.The main difference has been captaincy as well where Dhoni has clearly failed both in terms of personal form and keeping team together.He needs to be captaining only ODI and should be given break from Test cricket to work on his skills and come back refresh if he has wish to prove himself. Dhoni is not only problem opening pair, Sachin and middle order including bowlers have all contributed to growing disappointment. BCCI also needs to have vision for Team India including protecting players from burnout and focus players for different format of the game.Time also to look at Coaching staff and need to inject more experts like permanent team Manager,Batting and spin coach.Use Dravid,Kumble & Sourav expertise for long term planning.

Posted by RednWhiteArmy on (December 8, 2012, 16:47 GMT)

If they get 90 ahead and cook goes cheaply, then 90 on a 5th day could be tough. Gotta roll this last wicket early!

Posted by PTtheAxis on (December 8, 2012, 16:42 GMT)

@ vinod - good point. do not forget to include 'ashwin' as a pure batsman. no one of his calibre in this team.

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas_Atheist on (December 8, 2012, 16:36 GMT)

Where are the Statchin fanboys hiding now? He lasted for a mighty 6 balls. What a shame! Individual interests come ahead of the team interests. Hero worship at its abysmal best.

Posted by cricket-is-best on (December 8, 2012, 16:34 GMT)

Finally people are realising that ashwin is a batsman than a bowler.He has almost everything for a test batsman, he batted better than others even in australia.his batting qualities are wasted at no.8.imagine today his 80 runs at position4 or 5 which wud have been so valuable.India should think of another spinner, and think of playing ashwin as a batsman,as currently his technique is much better than the likes of dhoni,yuvraj,raina etc.on the other hand, even as an indian,m impressed by england's perfomance, and recently southa africa and australia, and also new-zealand.

Posted by david44 on (December 8, 2012, 16:33 GMT)

I heard a lot of ashwin before the test series i mean lovely high bowling action some even went so far comparing him with the great ajmal he too had a meystre ball but this good spinner turned out to be a heck of a batsman on a turning pitch perhaps mr manjreker can now tell us about the secret of his batting

Posted by Nampally on (December 8, 2012, 16:30 GMT)

Amongst this pathetic display, Ashwin was the lone ranger who with the aid of tail enders added 80 runs to the Indian total. This was the highlight of doleful Indian batting on Day 4. Will this make the BCCI President, Mr. Srinivasan eat his words? How sad it is to see an opening partnership of 88 runs being squandered in such an irresponsible batting by the India middle order which includes Kohli, Tendulkar, Yuvraj & Dhoni. To add insult to injury, the most reliable Indian batsman was dismissed by his own team mate Gambhir- Run out. Gambhir has been 2 for 2 in this match in running out the cream of Indian batting. Ashwin after making a short work of the England tail, struck again with a fine innings. He batted responsibly & showed up how poor some of the Indian batsmen batting ahead of him are. Yuvraj & Tendulkar taken for sentimental reasons must GO in favour of Jadeja & Tiwary.Hopefully Yadev is fit to replace Ishant & Irfan for ZAK. Selectors, Pl. review the "Insanity" definition!

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 16:28 GMT)

Drop Tendulkar (only God can do it), Kohli, Yuvraj for the next match. Put in Rahane, Ravindra Jadeja, Mohammed Kaif, or Wasim Jaffer for the next test. Jadeja can also bowl spin which will complement the existing spinners. Can laxman be coaxed to come back, just for one test?

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 16:26 GMT)

Either IPL should be stopped or India should stop playing Test Cricket.

Posted by Trickstar on (December 8, 2012, 16:26 GMT)

If only Prior had taken that stumping off Ashwin this game would have been over and England would of won by a innings, tbh he's not been his best behind the stumps this tour, straight after the missed stumping he dropped a chance off Sharma.He's still the best keeper batsman in the world by some distance though.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 16:25 GMT)

Shameful performance. I think Indian team has lost the concept of playing a test match. They are an average T 20 side. The only format they have been good is one day( apart from bowling at death there also)...

Posted by shrikanthk on (December 8, 2012, 16:24 GMT)

Oh C'mon Sid. Those advertisements don't really ridicule English people. They're just plain silly trying to play on the outmoded "ruler vs subject" relationship between england and india.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 16:21 GMT)

First coach Fletcher should be sacked immediately. Then Zaheer and Ishant Sharma should be dropped. Dinda and Umesh Yadav/Sri santh/Varun Aaron replace them. Then Manoj Tiwary should be brought in place of Sachin/Kohli/Yuvraj.

The side effects of IPL are coming to fore. IPL was started in 2008 and after 3 years, since 2011 we can how IPL has destroyed Indian cricket. Because of IPL, Indian batsman got a habit of scoring 15-20 quick runs in 10-12 deliveries. They have lost the ability to stay on the pitch for more than 1 hour or so. Same for the bowlers. Due to IPL, the bowlers are bowling just to defend runs. They are neither attacking nor trying to take wickets.

Either IPL should be completely stopped or the BCCI selection committee form a new rule to not to select any IPL player in the test team. Otherwise, India's test cricket future is bleak.

Posted by ssbrad on (December 8, 2012, 16:18 GMT)

Cheema Sahib we Indians are supposed to be grateful throughout our lives to sachin. After all did he not win us azaadi? did he not play well 220 years ago? Is he not entitled to play along with his son in the same team? These are all overpaid hyped up buffoons now, they were good once upon a time.

Posted by Surya_RX100 on (December 8, 2012, 16:16 GMT)

Whether all agree or not, RAHUL DRAVID and VVS LAXMAN are getting missed by a big proportion. Can they be replaced in terms of match "winning" and match "saving" knocks?

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 15:59 GMT)

Difference between India and England is, England:- More concerned about test cricket and even the cricket lovers gives more respect to the longer version of the game and its the most respectable in all 3 forms of the game. India- More concerned about T- 20 and the IPL and it is more popular and the cricket lovers respects IPL and T 20 more than the other 2 forms of the game... Result - England blossoming when it comes to test cricket and also competitive in the other 2 forms of the game and India- very weak in test cricket and has not won or come near a satisfied result when it comes to t 20 even though they won the WC 2011..... Cheers!!!!!! so Indian public, selectors and cricketers start thinking abt where u r going and where u should go!!!! cheers!!!!!

Posted by crickketlover on (December 8, 2012, 15:58 GMT)

Indian cricket team does not seem to care about playing test cricket. They don't have focus and patience needed to excel in test cricket. The players are all rich and what is the motivation to win? How do you motivate millionaires?

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 15:58 GMT)

This is not the poor perfomance by Team India this is a great perfomance by England they have learned from mistakes done against Pakistan last year and now they are not repeating same mistakes.... Hats Off for Team Cook :) Cheers from Pakistan

Posted by Al_Bundy1 on (December 8, 2012, 15:57 GMT)

When the Going Gets Tough, the Tough Get Going. This was the time for India's heroes (read batsmen like Tendulkar and Sehwag) to save Mother India from humiliation. But what do our heroes do - they hurry back to the safety of the Pavilion. What kind of heroes are these?? And, who made them heroes in the first place??

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 15:56 GMT)

Flat wicked bullies humiliated on flat wickets. LOL.

Posted by Trickstar on (December 8, 2012, 15:50 GMT)

Another great day from England, Swann, Jimmy & Finn were awesome withe the ball, just constant pressure all round. People say that Jimmy's nowhere near as good as Steyn because he can't up his pace and bowl fast when he needs to, well these last 2 tests have put that to bed, he's cranked it up to a consistent 86/89mph to get more from the surface and for the reverse swing. Apparently this year or so Jimmy's lost about 20+ wickets with dropped catches, even though it's been better this series it's still not where it was a 18 months ago. They should get this last wicket early tomorrow and attack the bowlers to knock off what ever it is they've been set.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 15:49 GMT)

Shame shame shame for all cricket lovers. I think money is spoiling the game. Ipl has tove scrapped and the money cricketers have earned should be taken back and the matches should be played as per the old plicy prevalent at time of Pankayroy, Vinoo Mankad, kapildev should be persued.

someswar

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 15:47 GMT)

Last time I saw India perform this bad was in 2007 world cup when India lost to Bangladesh and exited the world cup in the first round. There was a great outcry then. The coach Greg was removed.

New coach Kristen came soon after. India started rebuilding and slowly gained #1 ranking in test cricket and won the 50 overs WC in 2011. After the world cup 2011, India again got a new coach and the team's performance has been unbelievably bad since then.

That said:

1. Team England has proved that it is far superior than India. England has defeated India on fast tracks, flat tracks on spinning tracks and on seaming tracks.

2. Batsman Cook is Awesome. He is certainly among the top 3 in the world. Indian bowlers are clueless against him.

3. India hasn't been able to win against top sides without a significant contribution from Sehwag. This match too looked very different when Sehwag was batting!

And, finally...

4. Why is Tendulkar batting ahead of Ashwin :-)

Posted by Mitch1066 on (December 8, 2012, 15:46 GMT)

Well clearly England bowlers are better then yours where your spinners in world ranking ? Swann in top fourteen in all formats I believe and so Anderson . One more wicket and India can only draw this series and where Indian fans bugging up 3-1 to India ? All gone quiet now ain't we? Hopefully being humbled in your own backyard will make you better cricket fans . And I hope when England next play pakistan we play better we let u knck us over by not showing the respect either to Pakistan or conditions which we have fixed this time . Least lessons had being learnt but I think cause Pakistan and Shri Lanka we getting over the nightmare against spin

Posted by Feroz9700 on (December 8, 2012, 15:45 GMT)

Poor application and technique shown by Indian batsman. Looks like England has cracked the Indian spin code and making them look absolutely ordinary. Ashwin needs to be promoted up the order and surely should bat before Dhoni. The way Ashwin batted makes a case of dropping someone from the middle order and playing an extra bowler maybe a leg spinner. Indian batsman should take singles and look to convert strike and build partnerships like the way England batsman did and tire out the opposition, instead they r trying to hit boundaries all the time. Get the right people to field in slips, Alistair Cook was dropped @ 17 and made India pay dearly.

Posted by Secunderabadi on (December 8, 2012, 15:43 GMT)

Indian middle order ( Sachin, Kohli, Dhoni, Yuvi) is an absolute disaster. The tail has spent more time at the crease (barring the first test) than the middle. Heres how (Mid -min-runs-Tail-min-runs): Ist Ist 317(111),106*(30*)--- 2nd 1st 171 (56), 214 (100)--- 2nd 2nd 70 (29), 68 (24)--- 3rd 1st 468 (166),127 (27)--- 3rd 2nd 86 (36), 229 (96*)---

The Top still manages to stay put but for the run-out specialist. The specialist that he is since he is not accounting for any run outs when he fields is making sure some one does when he bats.

Posted by stormy16 on (December 8, 2012, 15:41 GMT)

How good was the Eng bowling unit? Swan and Monty you'd expect that on these tracks but both Fin and Jimmy swung the ball at high speed and got life out of what was a seeminly lifeless pitch. Shane Warne once said of a teamate (as you do) 'he cant bat, he cant throw' - and quickly blamed a TV cameraman! They cant bat, they cant bowl is a description that is fast fitting India. Yesterday I half expected India to bat two days if required but they barely survived a couple of sessions. The Indian batting was woeful dispite brilliant bolwing from Eng. Gambir has now run out Sewag and Pujara in this game and played a lose drive to get out today. Sewag batted like Englishman did against spin in the past - gaping gap between bat and pad. Sachin got a decent delivery but you'd expect him to cope with it. The rest of the batters were plain poor. Full markd to Eng, you cant take anything away from such a great bowling performance.

Posted by Ha8rick on (December 8, 2012, 15:33 GMT)

For the sake of Indian cricket's future the Indian public needs to come out of their comfort zone and pressure the BCCI to do the right thing.

Drop Tendulkar, Yuvraj, Zaheer Khan, Ishant Sharma and bring in some fresh faces like Manoj Tiwari and Pankaj Singh who has performed so well on the domestic circuit over the past few years. Also, drop Dhoni and make Gambhir the Captain. He raised his game after captaining Kolkata in T20.

Also drop some of the selectors. They are pathetic.

Posted by George_cricket on (December 8, 2012, 15:32 GMT)

Please, please stop talks of sachin speaking to selecters etc. drop sachin,sewag,gambir,dhoni and zhaheer. with in one or two seaons a new team will get established

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 15:31 GMT)

"R Ashwin, arguably India's most consistent Test batsman this year, continued to show he is a better batsman than he is a spinner." - I found that harsh on a bowler who has taken 58 wickets at a fair clip. '

Posted by Narumanchi on (December 8, 2012, 15:30 GMT)

This is Mahabharatha of Indian Cricket- 1. Dritharashtra- BCCI Chairman-Srinivasan who is blind to what has been happening to Indian Cricket. 2. Duryodhana-Dhoni who blames every thing except himself for the losses. 3. Dushasana-Sehwag who is all brawn and no brain. 3. Karna-Sachin who is bothered only about himself and his records not the team ! Remember Karna did not take part in the War because Bhishma upset him. He did not think that his absence will hurt his dear friend ! 4. Shakuni-Rajiv Shukla-Eternal politician always scheming. 5. Bhishma & Drona-Sunny and Shastri - They know which side of bread they should butter to get their shares. 6. Aswathama-Kohli-Good man with a very bad temper ! God Save Indian Cricket. What is the benefit of our anguish? Who will hear and who will take remedial steps?

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 15:29 GMT)

welplayed England.they must have been end the match today! India is the most overated team in the world

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 15:23 GMT)

I think Fletcher has nothing to do with Indian teams horrible run. Its just quite simple that Indians cant bat(even on flat pitches) against good bowling. Sachin should be asked to retire by the selectors. He should have retired after the world cup but he had to score the 100th 100. And now he wants to prove that he doesn't plays for records. But everyone knows how selfish he is.I don't why the selectors are selecting team based on players reputation, the whole world knows that sehwag is a flat deck bulley. But he is still playing in the team.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 15:19 GMT)

This was being termed as a 'Revenge' series, but as it turns out, India are currently facing another humiliation at the hands of England. Thrashing New Zealand 2-0, they felt that they were unbeatable on turning tracks, but they have got a reality check now and it's time for a change. If BCCI do not take strong steps now, we could suffer further humiliation at the hands of Pakistan and Australia in the coming months.

Posted by asvigneshbalaji on (December 8, 2012, 15:17 GMT)

It seems the bowlers of indian teams are'batting' well than their batsmens. There was a time when Wicketkeepers used to play at No 9 and 10. Even Boucher had played at No.10. I think its time for Dhoni to move to that spot. He is simply not good enough for test cricket. And bring the likes of Badri, Tiwary and Rahane. I am simply afraid Tiwary would go the Badri way.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 15:15 GMT)

Don't get ahead of yourselves, my prediction: Ashwin and Ojha will bat till lunch, post a lead of 150+ and then bowl England out for 148 taking 5 wickets each......... It's gonna happen!

Posted by sohaibahmad on (December 8, 2012, 15:12 GMT)

done, yuvraj, zaheer, ishant, tendulkar have to go, only a moron can keep them in this side for the next match

Posted by Front-Foot-Lunge on (December 8, 2012, 15:03 GMT)

@Front_Foot_lunge: Fascinating to see you missing today. What can an Aussie fan posing as an English fan write when England have played on the sub-continent like have today? That's a tough one to write.

Posted by Dhanvanth on (December 8, 2012, 15:02 GMT)

I think the Indian team is running out of time regarding selection processes! The much-hyped batting line up has succumbed to a non-Asian country which is supposed to be vulnerable against spin! My request to the bcci ll be: sack all the consistent non-performers and bring in guys who have the fire to succeed! Firstly, pls remove from squad and bring youngsters and one final advice is pls don go by records and stats

Posted by TheGreatestGameEverPlayed on (December 8, 2012, 14:59 GMT)

@melvn ; Well, You aren't even good at T20 as Team India got kicked out of T20 WC. Lets say India can't play cricket anymore.

Posted by snoipmahc on (December 8, 2012, 14:52 GMT)

This is unreal. Easily the most humiliating performance by India in India in the last 10-20 years. And the worst part is that the Indian players are still in denial. It is true that the bowling and the middle order line-up is relatively young, but this was an ideal situation to get some experience and confidence. This actually reminds of the way they played in England last year. And not to forget, they are playing on flat and dry subcontinent pitches. And where the Indian batting is barely scoring 300 runs, the English batsmen are consistently scoring 450+. Can't imagine what the Aussies will do to them when they visit India next!

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 14:49 GMT)

The fact is, i am embarrassed to be an Indian cricket fan now. We are going nowhere, and say what you may, IPL is here to stay, or at least until India loses their next 20 test matches, on the trot...

Posted by maddy20 on (December 8, 2012, 14:45 GMT)

This has been a disastrous series barring the first test. One wonders if politics have crept into the team, just like the last time we lost to England. After a tremendous performance in the first test, both the bowling looked toothless and batting looked listless. We have avoided two consecutive innings defeats at home in a whisker. This calls for some serious overhaul. Test match specialists like Badrinath, Tiwary, Rahane should be preferred in place of t20 sloggers like Kohli, Yuvraj, Dhoni. They are good limited overs players but are not cutout for tests. Duncan Fletcher, under whose coaching Indian coaching endured the worst year in a long time, should be shown the door, especially after the position when we were in when Kirsten left. Specialist bowling coach to sort out the issues of our young and rather inexperienced bowling attack. A coach who actually knows how to bat and has a solid record in international cricket. Cant think of anyone better than Rahul Dravid.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 14:44 GMT)

hats of to ashwin.... other players want to learn from ashwin how to bat on this kind of pitches....ghambir will b a better captain than dhoni .... dhoni is only suitable for odi

Posted by AlfAlpha on (December 8, 2012, 14:44 GMT)

In England our football players are massively supported and paid fortunes to play in an entertaining League that is full of overseas talent The League is a product and it's worth billions. Unfortunately when you take those players out of the league and ask them to play differently for their country they're not really that good. My point is - Wake up India!! - the marketing men are undermining your national game!!

Posted by IndCricFan2013 on (December 8, 2012, 14:41 GMT)

It was absolute delight to watch Ashwin's batting, I watched the complete day's play live. On one side we ask why Ashwin can not bowl like swann, on the other side, we wonder why other Indian batsmen can not apply themselves like Aswin did. While Ashwin can continue to improve his bowling, we have to blame the indian batsmen for the loss of two back to back tests to England. They urgently need a test match with associate teams to build their confidence!!!

Posted by Stat1977 on (December 8, 2012, 14:40 GMT)

Some of the Indian fans are waiting to take the "Revenge of whitewash" when England tour in India..Gutted? A reality check? Neither Bouncy pitches nor your own flat dead tracks would help you.

Posted by sharajul on (December 8, 2012, 14:39 GMT)

whats happening with the off spinner's breed of india , their bowling average seems to be increasing with their batting averages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by pulirajeev on (December 8, 2012, 14:34 GMT)

No one should be surprised that the greatest accumulator of runs did not score runs today. There were no individual records that could be broken and it was only the country's team at stake. So, why grit it out. A politician does not care for his country. Time to bring in a whole new crop of players - try Unmukt, Aparajith, Rahane, Badrinath, Dinesh Karthik, Yadav, Mithun, and others. We have nothing more to lose.

Posted by Harold_Larwood on (December 8, 2012, 14:33 GMT)

Agree with VinodGupte. Sack everyone except the three he mentioned and perhaps Ashwin as well. Ashwin does not seem to be a worthy spinner though but he is perhaps better No. 6 than we can have otherwise and can be used as a part-time spinner to put in 5-7 overs just to add a bit of spice and variety. My team would be Rahane, Unmukt Chand, Pujara, Rohit Sharma, Kohli, Ashwin, Saha, Ojha, Nadeem, Umesh, Praveen Kumar/Sandeep Sharma with reserves being Ishant, Rahul Sharma, Iqbal Abdulla and Manoj Tiwary. India's spin cupboard looks bare frankly.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 14:31 GMT)

Dohoni's contributions to indian cricket is immense. He has won worldcup for india.In test cricket atleast Dhoni was riding on Dravid and Lexmans batting. Now he is running short of ideas Time for him to go with immediate effect. Time for Dunken Fletcher also to go.

Posted by avi82 on (December 8, 2012, 14:29 GMT)

It is time to take a few harsh decisions. Ask Sachin to retire, drop Yuvraj and Gambhir. Clearly Ashwin's bowling is not sufficient to win test matches but he can be considered as an allrounder which means we need to add one more offspinner in the side. Also after this series selectors should seriously consider about Dhoni's future as test captain. He can continue leading in ODIs and 20-20's but his captaincy and performance in test's in not at all convincing. Bring in fresh keeper for tests.

Posted by sundersingh on (December 8, 2012, 14:28 GMT)

we are giving chance to 3/4 fit yuvi why not badri who scored more than 10000 runs on the typical turning pitches in india.... replace 1/2 fit ishant by energetic DINDA...

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 14:28 GMT)

Can Ashwin do a Ravi Shastri and move up the order as a batsman who can bowl? He sure has proved his mettle as a batsman. We can now drop a batsman and get an additional fast bowler a la varun aroon?

Posted by vathabivaranan on (December 8, 2012, 14:25 GMT)

Time and again I am telling that IPL has played its part great to diminish the standard of Test Cricket in India particularly Indian batsmanship. It is hard to find another VVS/Dravid/Gundappa Viswanath/Solkar who not only played for India's win, but also saved India from defeats on many occasions. A captain should set himself as a model to motivate others atleast to stay in the middle. But Dhoni who is a good captain in limited over cricket, failed in Test matches despite getting a turning wicket as desired for the current matches. Besides checking out Fletcher, Selectors should take drastic measures to spot reliable players for the future Test Matchs if not for a win immediately, to give a solid fight.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 14:24 GMT)

Wow - just seen that advert and found some of the others. Attacking the population of the country you are facing in a sporting event? Staggering! This is terrible India, you should be utterly ashamed of youself on the field and off it. How racist is THAT. Adverts like this would never be allowed on public TV in the UK. My opinion of the Indian people is as high as ever. I love the country. My opinion of the decision makers and people who run the game in India couldn't get much lower.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 14:22 GMT)

i dont know y our team doesnt succeed in pace bowling, they only concentrate on spin only but they also fail in that too

y the english pace bowlers can pick wicket but not our..

Posted by balajit on (December 8, 2012, 14:22 GMT)

Well Played England! As for as India is concerned what can we say out of form players getting chance after chance. People who don't have the mindset to play test cricket getting selected ! But the most important thing is lack of ability as for as bowling is considered. Arguably most overrated batting line up & worst test bowling side at the moment! Hope selectors wake up & make sensible choices in the future otherwise India's future as test side looks gloomy

Posted by aravabalaji on (December 8, 2012, 14:21 GMT)

Badrinath is the man to look for. He has the right temperament to stay long and built for Test Cricket. He is not flashy like many others and he always play the savior of the team whichever jersey he wears. He is Mr.Cricket for India.

Posted by Princepurple1979 on (December 8, 2012, 14:20 GMT)

Really can't believe Sachin is still hanging onto his role in the Indian team despite so many failures. I do really hope that Gambhir, Yuvraj, Sachin and Zak does not get to play the next match, instead we are able to blood in some youngsters!!

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 14:20 GMT)

Gambir has to removed as a punishment as because of hm Sehwag got run out in first innings and Pujara in the second innings both in-form batsmen. There should be a sensibility for sympathy for yuvaraj sing. I feel he never fits into test match.please put murali vijay or rohit into his place. vijay is better than rohit

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 14:19 GMT)

These Indian players are losing the skill to Play test cricket.IPL has certainly done good and more bad thing to Indian test cricket. These current player lost the temperament to play longer version. It seems they want to play test cricket like 50-50 limited over matches and interesting thing they play T20 also like 50-50 overs.I guess Indian team badly need a new captain and coach. BCCI selectors should plan to rebuild test team. I don't see current team can do any better against Australia/SA/England.Selectors should bring new players with good skills and temperament who can bat for longer time, we don't need rock stars in test cricket. Selectors must see the skills and performance not the reputations.

Posted by 2.14istherunrate on (December 8, 2012, 14:18 GMT)

This just gets better and better. It's fairly safe to assume we will win this game and in doing so will have completed one of those really special victories.Mumbai was a game we thought we could win.Kolkata I do not think was even contemplated.Yet this will have been a win on the same scale of matgnitude. And wickets for the seamers just to make it emphatic. Finn for Broad seems to have been a good a move , and Samit is there for his batting alone, I think.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 14:11 GMT)

here we go.. so many suggestions. to me I think adding young blood is not the solution. you have to think what current young players like kohli, pujara,ojha,ishant,did in this match and series as well. so selection board give reasonable chance to the youngsters but they didn't perform. reason is lack of determination, lack of concentration , and lack of patience . Kohli and sewag are two outclass players in India. their dismissals are live examples of India lack of patience. my personal opinion is India desperately missed Dravid, Ganguly and Laxman. They can't afford to loose sehwag, gambhir, or tendulkar in this moment.even yuvraj and dhoni. so Indians should be calm down in this moment and better use your brain rather than heart. thanks. from sri lankan fan

Posted by AjaySridharan on (December 8, 2012, 14:11 GMT)

Kick out Gambhir, Sachin and Yuvraj. Bring in Rahane, Rohit and Raina. Kick out Bhajji, and keep Mishra in the reserves. Rotate Ashwin and Murali Karthik. This is utterly ridiculous

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 14:10 GMT)

I beleive that winning or losing is just part of the sport, we need to sit back and enjoy good batting and bowling who ever is playing. But, the way Dhoni and Co tried to play an unethical game and then got beaten is very sickening. Several changes to the Indian team are required, but I think the coach needs to go first. Some coaches just can not produce results and the same team under a different coach will perform very differently.

Posted by SAF80 on (December 8, 2012, 14:08 GMT)

Somebody said to me before this series..."England is gonna tough time in the upcoming series...after all they will be facing a WORLD CHAMPION team" I said "yeah!!! Indians are definitely WORLD CHAMPIONS but only in their own backyard..". But I think I was being optimistic enough!

Posted by bazinoz on (December 8, 2012, 14:05 GMT)

I don't understand why India look so lacklustre. They seem to come alive only when something has gone right for them, but quickly fade away to lacklustre again for most of the time. It must be that their captain is not showing the correct body language and inspiration to the other team members. A captain has to be chirpy and enthusiastic at all times. Mahendra Singh Dhoni stays behind the wicket for the great majority of the innings. He rarely is seen racing up to encourage and plot with his bowlers, but leaves it to SRT and others. I can only see this series going 3 - 1 with the usual semblance of intent to rectify the situation afterwards, but no actual radical action taken...

Posted by JChandi on (December 8, 2012, 14:04 GMT)

This is awesome, well done England!!....once again India fall into their own trap, common we need 3-1 win.

Posted by strider23 on (December 8, 2012, 14:01 GMT)

Being in the US, I have to wake up all night to watch the game. I was just hoping to see some spectacular back-to-the-walls rearguard action. But it wasn't meant to be. If nothing changes after this, then I'll quit watching cricket. Dhoni has to go... not just as a captain but as a player. He has displayed no test match credentials whatsoever. Gambhir is completely ineffective as a test batsman. Tendulkar too... it dosen't matter if he is enjoying the game...billions of Indians are not enjoying his game. Sehwag to be moved down the order and Yuvraj being replaced by someone else. The bowlers... they need to be replaced by I don't know who.

Posted by Sinhaya on (December 8, 2012, 14:00 GMT)

Will BCCI still be stubborn over DRS after this series? Hope BCCI learns a lesson and embraces DRS just like the rest of the cricket world has.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 13:58 GMT)

disappointed pakistani fan of indian batting giants . Swanny is a real treat to watch and history has taught us that in second innings the wall of indian team is sehwag and if you get him out cheaply you can run thru dem easily . I thought if indians will not do white wash as we did they ll surely beat eng 2-0 but what else to say . Hats off to captain cook and english team.With this team i dont think they can compete with next coming australia.

Posted by gm47 on (December 8, 2012, 13:58 GMT)

@Venky2110. You say India are world champions.... at what ??? Is it hockey cos it certainly isn't cricket :)

Posted by Sarmad3007 on (December 8, 2012, 13:57 GMT)

Great revese swing bowling by andreson and finn.At last something for the semears.India if Ashwin can fight what are the greats doing.Sachin has played his last test at Eden Gardens.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 13:56 GMT)

thanks for matt prior poor wicket keeping India survived

Posted by iRaihan on (December 8, 2012, 13:56 GMT)

We believe that England can win the series.

Posted by procric on (December 8, 2012, 13:50 GMT)

If Tendulkar is not retiring tomorrow, then drop him form the team for the 4th test. Drop Dhoni, Yuvraj and Gambhir too. Drop Zahir Khan. Why he is playing? I think he is spoiling the whole bowling department.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 13:50 GMT)

I hope England finish things off as they did last game. Swann, Anderson and Finn were excellent. Virat Kholi had a lot to say before this series. I wonder how much he now has to say hmm? a lot less than before no doubt. Good work England

Posted by vaishakh29 on (December 8, 2012, 13:50 GMT)

Well, it's sad that the Indian players never learn from their mistakes. I was reading the other 'denial' article, and I'm wondering what other excuses they can come up with for this pathetic all-round performance. From my point of view, MSD isn't a good test captain. Poor tactics, confusing bowling changes, and poor with the bat as well. Yuvi and Kohli haven't delivered a bit so far, except the former's struggling 70+ score in the first test. Try the others (Rahane/Vijay), and drop the underperfomers. The selectors should look at the present, and not the past. Ashwin, yes, he's a good batsman (with a better batting average than MSD). Fought alone and hard today. #respect. He isn't a good test bowler, to be honest. He bowled well only against WI and NZ. Struggled against the better teams.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 13:49 GMT)

thr is no committment from the players....players should of wat is needd for the team....plan for next game should be have another bowlers like three spinners and two pace bowlers because ashwin is stepping up as an all-rounder

Posted by pratit on (December 8, 2012, 13:46 GMT)

Wholesale changes are needed. But the first prioroty should be dropping Dhoni from the test side. There will be some instability, sure, but unless this is done this team will not come out of this patch, no matter how many changes you make.The team needs someone with fresh perspective and aggressive mentality, not someone with a PHD in making excuses and underperforming. Actually, the first priority should be to remove the behemoth called Srinivasan, but who will bell the cat?

Posted by Vnott on (December 8, 2012, 13:45 GMT)

In both the innings , Gambhir broke the back with run out of Sehwag in the first and Pujara in the second. Only Sehwag, Gambhir , Pujara and Ashwin are batting reaonably and not well together....The middle order of Yuvraj, Kohli, Sachin and Dhoni has been a complete flop. Completely inexplicable. Add Zaheer to it. you may be seeing atleast 3-4 changes there immediately... the series is not yet lost. we need some inspired moves for the final test. Hopefully Umesh will be back. and the top 3 to click in batting.... together....

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 13:42 GMT)

they all of T-20 players we needs test match players.. ashwin is good ...

Posted by DataQue on (December 8, 2012, 13:41 GMT)

India sent to cleaners....

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 13:39 GMT)

Did something change recently ? Oh, the board forced Dravid and Lax to retire .. but what changed in the think tank ? Did anyone notice the best spinner in Eden making room to his fellow spinner, whose batting average is far better that bowling average ? Our bowling has always been T20 standard since Kumble retired. No one noticed it till our batting went down the drain after Dravid/Laxman/Ganguly era. The only way to save the 4th test is to bring the guys back from commentary box and get a keeper-batsman, no need of a specialist skipper.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 13:39 GMT)

Change the team ..take leg spinner like amit mishra/pinush chawala in place of one fast bowler. openers remain same. take out yuvaraj,tendulkar. new ones like manoj tiwary,rahane(must).

since they are clean to play our spinner too easy.So we have change the bowlers and make an experiment or else india will lose once again like 3-1.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 13:38 GMT)

Just like to make a point here. Has any one thought of Mushtaq Ahmed's role. I think he is the major force behind England's bowling attack (yes not only spin but fast bowling too). I further think he helped the batsman too in learning how to play spin properly.

Posted by Sudeeksh on (December 8, 2012, 13:34 GMT)

@ Hasan Cheema. No Hasan, Sachin will play till 2019 WC so that he can put up some more runs to feel secured about his records. He just wants to ensure that nobody goes beyond him. Come on ppl he has served Indian cricket for so long (as if RD, VVS, Sourav, and Kumble never did anything and just retired for fun). He deserves it. Or does he???

Posted by heathrf1974 on (December 8, 2012, 13:33 GMT)

Excellent all-round bowling performance by England. They are starting to get back to their best.

Posted by BlastFromThePast on (December 8, 2012, 13:32 GMT)

First of all hats off to Ashwin for the way he showed determination in front of the relentless English attack,while at the same time the other batsmen too must take the blame for what has unfolded during the past two weeks and in this game. However I am still not convinced that the board should take any radical measures solely on the basis of these couple of tests, after all who knows the Indian team might come back with an authoritative performance at Nagpur. let us all face it the series is not lost.must admit that we the Indian team was outplayed by some determination and initiative by the English. But I still put my faith in this team to come up with the goods in Nagpur and square the series.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 13:30 GMT)

Ashwin cannot promoted to 4 or 5, because thats not his role...... they are so many other players waiting outside for places of sehwag, gambhir,sachi, , kohli,yuvraj.......with M vijay, A.muknd, a.rahane, badrinath, and irfan pathan respectively................... how many of you accept this replacement?

Posted by SAF-Fan-no-1 on (December 8, 2012, 13:30 GMT)

To be fair India Skipper has to go along with SRT YUVI & Koli- Koli is a good batsman of the limited Over format - Sack fletcher get Indian coach - Get Akram to lead Fast Bowler for Improve, Ask Zahir to sit down and say Good by Cricket. He can't bowl the way Anderson bowl. Must GO SRT, YUVI, Dhoni, Lead only Limited Over Foramt for Dhoni, Get Murali Vijay, Ajankia Rahane, Parthive Patel and Aron fast Bowler. Say Good byyy..SRT, YUVI, Dhoni, Zahir Lead Pujara handle Skeeper Rol. Good Temperment, calm, and bat like Great Dravid. What do you think.

Posted by iamkunmun on (December 8, 2012, 13:29 GMT)

Its really really a big disappointment that our team can't even draw this match..... m not able to understand what our batsman are doing...if as people saying t20 spoiled indian test cricket and our batsman are in mould of t20 i won't agre with that, if they play int20 mould i am sure we can cross 300 so the ned point is jst our batsmans are completely out of form...they should learn from ashwin how to spend time in crease and runs will come...hats off to ashwin playing a gem of innings.. i would love to see the follwing playing11 in nxt match....

1. Gautam Gambhir (Capt) 2. Sehwag 3.Pujara 4.Rahane/Rohit 5.Sachin 6.Manoj Tiwary 7.Patel/Saha 8.Ashiwn 9.Bhubaneswar Kumar 10. Yadav/Parwinder Awana 11.Ojha

Drop :- Kohli, Dhoni, Yuvraj.Zaheer,Ishant

Bring:- Rahane/Rohit, Manoj, B.Kumar,Awan, Yadav

Continue..... (Cricinfo plz publish)

Gambhir should replace Dhoni as captain. I believe Gambhir is the best candidate to be the next captain. His capahane or Rohit should replace Kohli.m

Posted by luvcricket_new_gen on (December 8, 2012, 13:29 GMT)

Changes needed immediately. Dhoni and Fletcher need to go. Fletcher doesn't help Indian cricket and Dhoni no test material captain/player. Gambhir needs to be dropped/rested - he is just pathetic with his running (he is running out his partners) and stroke play. Needs some break from international cric to work on his technique and make a good comeback. Get Rahanae in. Get Sreeshanth back for pace/commitment (current lot of fast bowlers are awful). Sree and Yadav should be worked out. 3rd seamer option can be Irfan (no other better options now). Sachin should retire at the end of the series, no use in staying now. Yuvraj to be replaced with Tiwary. So, test team needs this major overhaul. Yes, IPL is a major reason for this decline in addition to the retirement of senior players. How has IPL helped Indian cricket? We have lost test mantle, we don't win T20s (both WC and Intl series), at least ODI record is intact, let us see. Tough times for Indian cricket. We DONT have a future CAPTAIN

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 13:26 GMT)

Though I am a Pakistani but I support the teams of subcontinent including India when it comes to matches against England, Australia, South Africa and West Indies. Indian batsmen have let me and their supporters in India down through their spineless performance.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 13:19 GMT)

The stakes are high and the players are professionals. Thus the rules of the professional world should apply. Seniors - Thank you for your glorious performances in the past but move on and let younger fitter players deal with the demanding rigors of the international stage. If the move is not voluntary, let the selectors please enforce it lest the public start wondering if there is a financial nexus between the selectors and the players.

We seem to be in awe of some individuals based on their past glory. Times have changed and so should mindsets. The IOC's directive on the age barrier for administrators should be considered by the BCCI and the necessary adaptation should be made for cricket too. In a country of 1 billion we should find talented players hungry to succeed by the dozens at least!?

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 13:16 GMT)

In the last match so called Mr.cool used an excuse saying our bowlers did not do well. Now he has to accept that it's not the bowlers fault but but Indian batsmen fault. They could not even bat on a flat pitch while tail-enders are hitting boundaries. This solely is our great batsmen fault and not the the bowlers. This gap is clearly created by the retirement of dravid and laxman.

Posted by ravi-1967 on (December 8, 2012, 13:09 GMT)

A revamp at BCCI is also required.

Sandeep Patil has failed in his job.

IPL needs to be scrapped as it has slowly led to the death of Indian cricket.

Posted by Rajeshj on (December 8, 2012, 13:08 GMT)

Mr. Monga, why don't you at least say a few admiring words for Ashwin's innings, which is one of the best ones we could have seen for a long time... he has at least avoided the innings defeat and a certain defeat within 4-days in India, which would have been even more shameful.. He deserves a big pat, you know... he may not have taken wickets, but who has really taken wickets this series, tell me.. no bowler had been threatening, because England have planned and executed their plans well.. the way the Indians play, we could easily say that they have neither planned nor made an attempt to plan for the opposition.. they have displayed zero ideas on the field.. poor captaincy and above all pathetic coaching...

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 13:04 GMT)

Wow its great to see Ashwin play the way he did...India has lost before but they have come back and fought..test teams in the era of ganguly,dravid, kumble..but under dhoni this doesnt happen...

Posted by Jaffa79 on (December 8, 2012, 13:02 GMT)

India getting destroyed at home! I thought we were meant to lose 4-0? That is what was predicted on these pages by so many Indian fans and big mouth Aussies. Instead, England prove what a resolute, adaptable and tight unit they are, with a depth of talent the envy of the world. Spinning tracks? Green tops? No problem!

Posted by baskar_guha on (December 8, 2012, 13:02 GMT)

Ashwin is teaching the rest of India's batting clowns how it is done. He is playing for national pride while the rest play for their place in the team.

Posted by Rajeshj on (December 8, 2012, 13:01 GMT)

At least now, please drop Gambhir, Kohli, Zaheer and Yuvraj (enough with his comeback drama played by media).. please ask Sachin to retire with immediate effect.. please sack the Coach who is nowhere to be seen... please pull in Rahane and move Sehwag to middle order... Praveen and Irfan would have fared better with bat/bowl than Zaheer.. also please teach Ishant and Ashwin on the art of taking wickets (I think they have poor advisers as coaching staffs).. they bowl brilliant balls at times, beat the batsman with good balls at times and also give easy runs with poor balls at times, but fail to take wickets.. which is what required.. don't know what's going on in the dressing room, but the whole setup is an absolute crap and are not worth it...

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 13:01 GMT)

All the best there Vinod! BCCI is too spineless to take such bold decisions. A bunch of useless guys sitting around and doing nothing about a team which thinks its is in a comfort zone on turning, dead Indian . It is good that England have exposed us, but expect no miracle. Sachin will still be playing from a wheel chair after 15 years....

Posted by BravoBravo on (December 8, 2012, 12:59 GMT)

I feel sorry about IND cricket. Now the defeat in third test is inevitable for IND, and hence their confirmation on the ICC#6 is confirmed. This is what happening to the team which was unjustly calles CADILLAC by Ravi Shastri. @melvn: IPL is closing to its demise. IPL will become Indian Party of Loosers. It will loose its sheen, as IND test cricket is sliding to below average from average at the best. It was sad and pathetic that IND (besides launcing 4 teams) in T20 world cup, failed miserably. However, IPL may provide some sadistic pleasure to IND fan for a while, but eventually IPL will loose its marketability even in subcontinent.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 12:59 GMT)

sachin is too old for cricket after all.. yes he did so many miracles in cricket but thats not gonna help us to get victory.. he shuld give his place some other youngsters like manoj tiwary, murali vijay...

Posted by BigDataIsAHoax on (December 8, 2012, 12:58 GMT)

Agree with VinodGupte 100%. Sack everyone of those pathetic bunch of disgusting losers except pujara, kohli, ojha and Ashwin. Push Ashwin up the order to number 6 at least. He is better than Dhoni and Yuvraj by at least one light year! I really want the rest of the team sacked. Somebody has to show some cajone and take the tough call. Overhaul! Now or never!!!!

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 12:56 GMT)

mr.vinod gupte i totally disagree with the idea except sacking duncan we, do not give such comments when we win do we even if it is true.anyway the team is going through a rough time we have to just be loyal to the team no one is forcing anyone to watch cricket if you dont like the way things are just stop watching cricket

Posted by vipravara on (December 8, 2012, 12:56 GMT)

Yah, Mumbai test loss is NOT a single game loss. It was more than that. It is now proved beyond doubts at Kolkata. I wonder, what excuses can Mr Excuse find now to explain this? So, now it is over to selectors, who instead of picking teams for 3rd & 4th tests, forcibly, picked only for the 3rd and they had the outcome. So, what do they do for the 4th test shows the Indian test future- a cricket fan from India.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 12:56 GMT)

may god give some intelligence to Sachin to retire , it's time to give chance to young players like Manoi Tiwari who did nothing else but just warming up the bench,nobody knows him how he plays because Indian selectors never gave him a chance to play for team, not only manoj tiwari but there are lot of other players that are waiting for their chance to play for team India

It's really annoying because 'India is known to win in India' although India always fails on foreign soil :) so fans are hopping they at least gonna win this seris but their hops fail, now we are all waiting for India Vs Pakistan :)

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 12:56 GMT)

@Sidharth Monga: Make up your mind. About your allegorical comment about the India team. "Pigeons in front of an invading cat"? Or,"headless chickens"? At least, the chickens have more meat in it! With or without head! Of course some played strokes, as if they had lost their heads. And,some chickened out. Hence, "headless chickens" may be more apt!

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 12:55 GMT)

Gambhir, Yuvi, Ashwin (despite his inns today)must be dropped for next test, Duncan Fletcher sacked without delay. Dhoni is a class act & will do the honourable thing. Ive been saying for last 18 months Rahane should be in the team instead of Gambhir- his idiocy rubs off on rest of batting. I love Yuvi but im afraid he should admit Test cricket is not for him & quit this form of the game. Ashwin is India's Ashley Giles & oh so typical of Fletcher to pick a batsman over bowling ability. His time will come again but for now needs to be pulled out of the firing line. Pujara, Sachin , Kohli are good players but they are so short of confidence & would benefit from a change in direction...has there ever been a more useless coach than Duncan Fletcher ?

Posted by bimalshah on (December 8, 2012, 12:54 GMT)

Its time for lessons to be learnt and to think longer term. Not by the cricketers or the bcci. They benefit from the current setup. There has to be fiercer domestic competition to be the Indian test match team. I say let anyone that can fund and nurture a team put that team forward. The bcci can put a team forward too. An internal competition decides which team represents India for the next year (or two). Then run the competition again. There is no lack of talent. But there is no competition to find it, manage it, coach it and polish it. If done right I think you would find 4 or 5 Indian teams that are world class in a decade.

Posted by Front-Foot-Lunge on (December 8, 2012, 12:51 GMT)

The world's fastest bowler (Finn) has now shown that England have TWO Flat-Deck specialist bowlers, Anderson being the other of course. What we witnessed today was the most skillful bowler in the world, Anderson partnering with the world's fastest bowler in Finn, and England ran rampant over India again.

This was The most spectacular day of test cricket so far in 2012.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 12:50 GMT)

Changes needed for the next series 1.sack Flectcher since he joined in , its been a disaster for Indian team 2.Drop DHONI at least for Test matches . 3.need a good young orthodox spinner& fast bowler if there is any in India .

we expect them to perform on at least Indian turfs . Show some fight ,stop making excuses !!

Posted by MaruthuDelft on (December 8, 2012, 12:49 GMT)

Now if you play Ashwin as a batsman he won't score runs but may take wickets!

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 12:49 GMT)

How much would India give to have Dravid back. It really is a sorry state of affairs and will only increase India's disinterest in the long form of the game. Shame.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 12:47 GMT)

@ TV Commentators & some of the Indian cricket fans. Talking about past glories and past miracles is the most useless thing you guys can do. Those teams consisted of different players, And also displayed different attitude. Despite all the disparaging comments about Ashwin, he is the only one who is showing some fighting spirit, in this team. I still can't understand, why Ashwin is being sent at No. 8 ! If Dhoni is worried about hurting the ego of the other players, at least he can send Ashwin ahead of HIM. I have been saying this, ever since Ashwin was inducted into the test team.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 12:47 GMT)

Bring VVS Laxman back and as captain. He will be more than adequate for home tests. Remember Pataudi was brought back in 1973 at Chennai against England.

Posted by vaidyar on (December 8, 2012, 12:43 GMT)

Ashwin's had a great entry into test cricket and is now going through what is the real deal. It happens to every bowler and batsman. Remember Dravid being dropped from the ODI team and how he came back. Similarly it's going to be about how Ashwin comes back. He is a smart lad with a good head over the shoulders. I'd back him to come good. For starters he might want to dissociate himself from Murali. "One needs to have lots of variations" he taught him. Maybe having a good offspinner would be a place to start. I hope he starts working on his fitness and strength and comes good. And a word from the management that he's in the team for his bowling first and not as an allrounder might help too. Hope they stick with him and help him come good. I'll stick my neck out and say this - if he comes good he'll be captaincy material.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 12:42 GMT)

I think Ashwin should bat at no 5,he has proved his technique and temprament.Gauti and Viru have not proved them even in this test,if they are great one they should prove them and Sachin the same also. I believe that India will fight tomorrow for the lead above 150 against England,then only we have the chance of beating England.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 12:41 GMT)

Outrageous the way the English keep fixing the pitches. How are the Indians supposed to compete in these alien conditions?

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 12:40 GMT)

Indian Board should create guts to sack sachin Tendulkar, Dhoni the worst Test captain, yuvraj and zahir khan from playing 11 and bring new bloods. Other wise India will bottom of ranking table. Atleast Tendulkar and Dhoni must be dropped at any cost. Tendulkar, such a great player, now don;t have any confidence and you can find this in his face. So many young talents like badrinath, Md Kaif, etc are waiting in the queue and tendulkar blocked all. Selfish guy. Tendulkar should follow Ricky pointing who retired from cricket, just becaz he was not performing well. But tendulkar, i think playing only for money.

Posted by YazeerArabath on (December 8, 2012, 12:38 GMT)

can promote Ashwin in the batting may be try at one down..... and he can be a all rounder for india.....

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 12:38 GMT)

@VinodGupte on (December 08 2012, 11:06 AM GMT). You said.

"drop/sack/force-retire everyone in the side except pujara, kohli and ojha. we need a fresh side. totally fresh side. and sack fletcher too."

I fully agree with you. But, will add Ashwin in the retention list. And add two jokers in the sack list, in addition to the ineffective Fletcher. (1) The fielding coach, who says that he is rotating the slip fielders. (2) And the bowling coach , who says that Indian bowling has made tremendous progress and Zak is among the top six (the most cruel joke of the year 2012, in Indian cricket). And to think, that these jokers are being paid pretty penny!

Posted by SLslider_original on (December 8, 2012, 12:37 GMT)

Nice to see overhyped teams are loosing in their own backyard. Seems they can't even play in flat tracks.

Posted by kir.vas on (December 8, 2012, 12:35 GMT)

Last eleven tests only one guy performed with bat and ball is Aswin. He scored 600 runs at an average of 40 and took more than 55 wickets. What else he can do? Still people talk about his maturity as a test player?

Posted by veerang on (December 8, 2012, 12:35 GMT)

come-on ppl cheer up for the day in which we won almost 2 session first time in d match.its good that the youngsters r performing,though d sinners tried everything to finish d match in 4 days.if only 2-3 indian young players(pujara,ashwin,ojha) could win a test,n fighting hard in another imagine a full young indian team. it will be great fun to see all young indian team performing n wining in aus,s.af.,eng,nz n in subcontinent.n after all the night is darkest before the down......

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 12:35 GMT)

R Ashwin, arguably India's most consistent Test batsman this year\\\\\ ROFL :D

Posted by sandgroperdada on (December 8, 2012, 12:35 GMT)

Shame on the Indian cricket team for such a pathetic and spineless display. The fault lies with the batsmen. Tendulkar, Sehwag, should be dropped. What is Tendulkar's average in second innings? I think it is pathetic. I am the rare Indian who is not a Sachin fan. He was a good batsman no doubt. But he and his publicity machine have been so calculating over the last 20 years, it is not funny. Dhoni should resign from the captaincy and also be dropped. BCCI should groom a new team, plan for the next 10 years. Get those young players who are busting their guts at the district and state level and make something out of them. It is wrong to blame people like Zaheer, He has had injury problems, and does what he can. I think he has slotted into the philosophy of the team - does the little he can do and makes excuses. Shame India.

Posted by ashutosh.p on (December 8, 2012, 12:33 GMT)

We are outplayed in all departments. Reson is we are not learning but they are. Its transition time for indian cricket in test. Some of our great players have given their place for youngster but BCCI and our selectors are not giving those places to worthy candidates. Where is our batting stength? where is our spin strength? Replace Gautam with Jivanjot singh, Yuvaraj with Rahane, Zaheer with Pankaj Singh, Isant with Umesh, Sachin with Badrinath, include Rishi Dhawan in place of Virat. Somebody please tell Aswin to bowl consistantly in right area with bit of variation.

Posted by mrkhan555 on (December 8, 2012, 12:32 GMT)

well done England u are realy no 1 side of test cricket.... and well done world champion india u deserve the defeat....because all players in indian side can only play ipl type of cricket. At the moment i will say one thing to indian fans that a test match is win by good bowling mostly and indian team has no world class bowler......and i would say to young generation to follow capil dev, kumble instead of toothless tendulker....

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 12:31 GMT)

There is just one problem, in kicking out Dhoni from the test side. Many are clamouring for GG as the Captain! Gee, it will be disastrous: he will run out all his team mates ! He already showed his prowess in that with Sehwag, & Pujara --- in one match! Sehwag, will be the ultimate role model for casualness / irresponsibility. Kohli & Yuvi are yet to prove that they are test match material, in terms of techniques, temperament, and choice of strokes. Sachin's shelf life is over. Zak's, almost!That leaves the kid Pujara. He can be groomed; but I am not sure whether we can throw him to the wolves (Aussies) straight away. But, if I am the decision maker, I will take that risk, for the next home series.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 12:30 GMT)

sack Gambhir first..his own big failures are being hidden behind sachin's failures..bring in old horse " wasim jaffer". ..or give rahane a chance ... my Indian Test team ..." sehwag,jaffer,pujara,tendulkar,manoj Tiwary,Rahane,MSD,ashwin,ojha,umesh yadav,varun aroon.

Posted by Sarangarajan on (December 8, 2012, 12:29 GMT)

If at all there is one team that has been spoiled by the IPL cult then the present Indian test team is that one. Pujara is an exception because he was considered a 'failure' in IPL. They do not have stomach to grind it out in the longer version - in batting- bowling and fielding too. See how Cook has stayed there for hours and hours - even the KP of IPL cult demonstrated the art of tenacity and grit apart from skill. Disgrace is the appropriate word to describe the present Indian test team- Ashwin's heroics not withstanding. All these players have become easy bunnies. How we miss Dravid and VVS. Long live IPL. Many heads should roll out-but it wont .

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 12:27 GMT)

Drop 4 players Sachin, Virat, Yuvi and Zaheer. Replace them with Manoj, Ajinkya, Raina and Umesh. India will atleast try to save the test match at Nagpur.

Posted by Crazy_Pk on (December 8, 2012, 12:27 GMT)

@melvn : I totally agree with your comments. Ind shud not play anymore test even BCCI must call press confrnce tmrw and say due to some reason, 4th test will not be played and ODI series will take place from 13th Dec'12.

Posted by Edassery on (December 8, 2012, 12:26 GMT)

So Suresh Raina's revenge has almost been taken. He just outsourced that job to England lol.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 12:26 GMT)

Its amazing how Fletcher's role goes undetected. This guy brought number 1 team to this abysmal depth since he took over as coach. India has not won even 10% of the games they played. I am wondering if India will do any worse without a coach at all. So sack Fletcher to save money. His contribution is in negative if any.

Posted by big_al_81 on (December 8, 2012, 12:24 GMT)

Great day for England - starting to look like the side they were back in 2011. Losing in such a needless way from winning positions in the UAE knocked confidence badly and then the KP debacle finished them off in the summer so that they were actually playing poor cricket. They weren't beaten elegantly by Pakistan, Hasan Cheema, they gave up 2 winning positions. This is more like it. I'm confused about why Ashwin isn't playing as a batting allrounder in place of the ODI specialist Yuvraj. It would make space for another bowler which is much needed. I'm not qualified to comment on who should come in batting but there's no-one India have played previously (except Rahane probably) who has made a good case against decent sides outside India, and that's the key for them.

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (December 8, 2012, 12:24 GMT)

Great fight there by Ashwin, but remarkable stuff from England's bowlers. In a series where the bowling has been absolutely dominated by spinners, Finn and Anderson (despite being wrongly labelled as green-track ponies) have been outstanding. I really don't understand why people are commenting about run-rates... this is a test match! Occupation is key, not scoring rates. Cook hit more 6's than the entire Indian team in the second innings (so far), so what a pathetic whinge.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 12:23 GMT)

Tendulkar is fighting to keep his career average in a good position. He started this series with a career average of 55.08. Now it's 54.5. It will be shrinking down if he continues to play and play the next 3 series against Aussies, Saffas and Kiwis (in NZ). He has to decide for himself to take the right decision.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 12:22 GMT)

When this Selectors & BCCI will take a tough call, the present so called 'experienced' cricketers are not performing in his own backyard, why can't we replace with new guys,let them perform or perish? Time to go for Yuvraj and bring Badrinath, he got another 4-5 years in his Belt, Gambhir,even after his two fifties,he is running out of time, bring Rahane or Vijay, Sachin,"Thanks for your valuable service" and bring Tiwary, above all, our great captain, Dhoni, "we love to see u in ODI" make a way to Saha, arguably best test batsman than Dhoni, after all, tired and tested Zaheer, Ishant, let young guns with energy like Aaron, Dinda, or new fast bowlers, doesn't matter we fail, bt atleast we can say, "we are building a new team",

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 12:21 GMT)

Wanted to see India win but credit to England for outplaying India and credit to Ashwin for his resolute 83 but what do you do about Ashwin do you drop him for his poor bowling performances or keep him for his good batting performances. I personally would keep him in the side as who do you put in as second spinner. Personally this is the starting XI I would have if I was the Indian Selectors 1.Sehwag 2.Rahane 3.Gambhir 4.Pujara 5.Badrinath 6.Raina 7.Dhoni (W) 8.Ashwin 9.Z Khan 10.Ojha 11.U.Yadav. Sehwag and Gambhir have been decent this series so I'd keep them believe Rahane deserves a chance in Test cricket. Pujara's played well.Badrinath is experienced and seems India need an experienced,calm head in the middle-order. Raina should get a chance as he has decent record in Sub-continent and can be direct replacement for Yuvraj.Dhoni=Ace Keeper.Ashwin's batted well. Zaheer's experienced. Ojha's been best spinner for India recently and unless U Yadav is injured should be in squad.

Posted by mdreddy on (December 8, 2012, 12:19 GMT)

I think Ashwin should play in the team as an all rounder,he need to improve his bowling too,no indian batsmen showed like ashwin intent,its a shame. Indian team should change for the last test and give the chance to the youngsters who are performing well in this ranji season.why don't give the chance to the jadeja in test side as an alllrounder, now he is young and better fielder,doing well in first class cricket. Ashok dinda needs to play insted of zaheer.Yuvaraj should be droped and tiwari or rahane replaced. Indian selectors needs to form the better test team.

Posted by Romenevans on (December 8, 2012, 12:19 GMT)

Had Monty played the 1st Test..it would have been 4-0 at home as well. Im disgusted!

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 12:19 GMT)

Ashwin was on just 22 at the fall of the 8th wicket. And where is he now? In between, he lost only Ishant, who unfortunately, ran out of patience, unlike Ojha, who is still giving him company. Thank God, that Ashwin had not yet been labelled an allrounder. May be, that is why he takes his batting seriously, unlike guys like Sehwag, & Kohli , who fell for loose drives. If those two had played with the same application as Ashwin, there would have been a glimmer of hope fora face saving draw. ( am not even mentioning Sachin -- who should retire , I'm saying it for the nth time during the last 12 months --, and Dhoni is just not test match material.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 12:18 GMT)

The difference is temperament.

Posted by meRSP on (December 8, 2012, 12:18 GMT)

Fantastically well said in conclusion....

>>R Ashwin, arguably India's most consistent Test batsman this year, continued to show he is a better batsman than he is a spinner. In the company of the obdurate Ishant Sharma and Pragyan Ojha, he added 80 in 29.3 overs. All it did was help find the spirited Indian crowd some voice, avoid an innings defeat, and take the match into the final day.

It also brought up a statistic that sums up India's series. His batting average for the series now crossed 50, behind only Pujara's, but it was still lower than his own bowling average.<<

Posted by Romenevans on (December 8, 2012, 12:18 GMT)

Keep commenting....but no one will listen and the same old story will continue.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 12:15 GMT)

i think India wud take a year or 2 to build up another strng test team,dey need time gain xperience 2 b a strng force in test cricket....

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 12:15 GMT)

wat hpn to our Indian btsmen sachin sehwag on spin bowling giving their wicket,yuvi virat 6 innings nothing wat r they doing this is d bad performance by batsmen i m too confused by their performance through out the series........let s see d 4 th test wat our batsmen will do ..............

Posted by BibhuMisra on (December 8, 2012, 12:15 GMT)

The only good thing to come out of this Test for India is that we wont be called flat track bullies anymore. We cant play on flat tracks either ! I always wanted India to get rid of that tag, and now it is finally happening...only I quite didn't expect that it would come about this way.

Posted by dadasupporterNO.1 on (December 8, 2012, 12:15 GMT)

if sachin really loves to play cricket den he can surely play in IPL and why don't he turn up for MUMBAI ranaji team? it will be great opportunity for local players to gain something from his experience.....INTERNATIONAL CRICKET well sach u should call it a day(same applies for zak,sehwag,gambhir,yuvi,dhoni).

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 12:15 GMT)

I think its time for India to selected a different team for tests. They are just hopeless now. Some of the players in this team are just good for limited overs cricket only. They don't have the concentration and patience demanded by Test Cricket.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 12:14 GMT)

The present team should not be allowed to participate in IPL for one year as this has spoilt them. Dhoti has to be sacked as captain of test team and Gautama Gambir made captain and Ash┼Áin vice captain.

Posted by Htc-Android on (December 8, 2012, 12:14 GMT)

looks like india has already found an allrounder.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 12:12 GMT)

What should India do.. 1. Change the bowling coach with immediate effect, the less said about him the better.Bring back Venky, at least our bowlers bowled better lenght when he was around 2. Remove Fletcher with immediate and I mean immediate effect, waste is not the word we must be using to describe where we are. 3. Change Batting order, Gautham Gambhir must go, he looks like he is on a suicide mission, younger batsman must be given chance, Sehwag is injured and should be replaced as well, however he can be in if required for a few more matches. 4. Remove Tendulkar , Yuvi and Zaheer, use Ashwin to bat No 6 and bring in a extra bowler or batsman, Ashwin looks far better than Raina or Yuvi in their entire career as test batsman. 5. Have a team which has a spring in its step and that starts with the Captain, remove Dhoni and give Dinesh Karthik a chance... 6. Have a young captain like how SA invested in Greame Smith few world cups back and give him 20 matches to prove.

Posted by prabachris on (December 8, 2012, 12:09 GMT)

Ok thats concludes the end to many peoples in indian test cricket.if cook canm bat and ashwin can means why not tendu, yuvraj,Dhoni,Sewag, Gauti ? now time as come to do some serious changes. 1, Give send off to tendu and sewag and zaheer, from test cricket. 2,Remove Dhoni as a Test Captain and play hime as a wicket keeper batsman. 3,drop yuvraj from test side and give chance to raina again. bring Rahane, Mukund , instead of tendu,sewag. instaed of zaheer briong back kumar. 4Drop bajji and give chjacne to misra. 5, give captaincy to kohli not to gambir. its very simple and i dont know why the selection comitee taking long time...etc amy be because of 2 things 1,afraid of doing this. 2, Might have accepted bribe from these players.my FRAN K Opinion.

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Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 12:09 GMT)

pride & glory dusted to the ground as india cannot defend their own fortress.....................few harsh decisions must be implemented

Posted by RK.Chandru on (December 8, 2012, 12:08 GMT)

First let the "formidable", "enviable", "strong" Indian batting line up put up a score of 500+ and then, let people pass the blame on the bowlers. Yuvaraj has time and again proved he's not test class and despite that, the likes of lesser talents like him and Raina or preferred ahead of more compact, sound and competent Badris and Tiwaris. Why the selectors aren't able to think beyond the failing at every instance Rohits, Rainas and Yuvis? Give Badri another longer run and we have nothing to lose. He can't do any worse than a Kohli or Yuvi. Finding scapegoat in Ashwin and protecting Zaheers and Ishants and the "ugly ducklings" batsmen from the wrath isn't going to do anything good. Give the bowlers enough support by setting attacking fields and giving them enough cushion by means of runs in the kitty. If they fail blame them and not just one; the entire bowling unit should take the blame. Match winner (like a Kumble or a Murali) is someone who covers up for the bad day of the other.

Posted by Herath-UK on (December 8, 2012, 12:07 GMT)

I'm really impressed with Anderson;he showed how good he is first in Sri Lanka and now in India.England efforts against all the odds should be appreciated and a great series win is round the corner. Ranil Herath - Kent

Posted by Anuragl19 on (December 8, 2012, 12:07 GMT)

Should be good comedy when the selectors pick pretty much the same side for the final test and then explain to the media why we have to put faith in this current line up because they are just one match away from the big win. Can't believe these players earn 7 lakhs per test match.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 12:05 GMT)

drop some of the idiots in this team because they are fit for international test cricket.get some new and young players atleast for the coming australian series..my team Squad pick would be..1.Gambhir(capt) 2.M.vijay 3.Pujara 4.Manoj Tiwary 5.Kohli 6.Badrinath 7.Karthik(wk) 8.Ashwin 9.Ojha 10.Umesh 11.RP Singh

Posted by wakaPAK on (December 8, 2012, 12:02 GMT)

I'm feeling for Indian fans; not trying to give false hopes but the way things are going in this match, maybe India get a fighting score on the board and the way last four wickets of English team fell, it'll be very hard for England to get the score; we have bowled them for under 100 in Dubai, I still see a very tiny chance for India; No I'm not Indian! I'm a hardcore Pakistan fan and I didnt think I'd ever back India to win a match but I'm backing them for the next match.. I can see the fight in indian tail, hope they get an inspiration from that in the coming one. I just wish India gets a good pace man who can at times unsettle the batsmen. India really needs a fast bowler who can consistently clock in 140 ks.

Posted by Herath-UK on (December 8, 2012, 12:01 GMT)

India should not despair,another great batsman is in the making in Ashwin! Ranil Herath - Kent

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 12:01 GMT)

I am a die hard fan of Indian Cricket, it now a sorry state of affairs as far as Indian Team is concerned.

Bowling : Below Par Fielding : Below Par Batting : Blunder

We were known for our middle order batting. Where is it now? With VVS and Rahul Dravid gone, it seems India has lost everything.

What my thinking is; 1. We should not rely of Captain Magnificent (So Called) to create Miracles. He has become certainly a burden on the Team. He should really take some days off the field.

2. We should change our opening pair. Reliance on Sehwag to give explosive opening every time and again is not possible. He needs some rest for hid old bones.

3. Bowling Department needs complete overhaul. We should look for freshers with some idea. How about Harmeet Singh (U19) Left arm spinner. Zaheer is now in his last days of career. He should retire before being dropped out. India was never a fast bowling country so no question of having an express bowler.

Too much of Cricket shld b avoided.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 12:00 GMT)

After what England are doing to India, should Pakistan still be trying to hold multiple T20 tournaments??? Just play real cricket, this is so much more fun.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 12:00 GMT)

@vinod gupte: Ashwin should be retained too, if he considers turning into a proper batsman and part time spinner.. Just like Jayasuriya did. We r desperately in need of batsmen now.

Posted by Suryasharma on (December 8, 2012, 11:59 GMT)

Hats off to English players. The problem with Indian players is that they play for money and are selfish in nature. They don't care for country's pride. Whereas English players play for their own and country's pride. Shame on indian players.

Posted by skpillai on (December 8, 2012, 11:54 GMT)

Its good that India is losing out here, they cant play pace and now they cant even play spin. Add to that england spinners are way ahead than their counterparts. Its look like a different pitch when they bowl. Hope at least now the selectors will do some corrective step.

Posted by CandidIndian on (December 8, 2012, 11:49 GMT)

Congratulations Eng fans , like i mentioned earlier that Indian fans who witnessed that famous 8-0 not so long ago predicted that something like this will happen.A test side with almost all IPL captains may be glamorous but its not even 10 percent of Indian test team who achieved victory in England and then won series again when Eng came to India.Biggest joke is that Dhoni who has worst technique than a tailender took a call on retirement of Rahul and VVS who saved India from so many humiliating defeats .From last 5 years India has lost just 2 tests now they have lost 2 in this series already.Will keep backing team India like always but its time for big changes, like it happened in 2000.

Posted by CricketingStargazer on (December 8, 2012, 11:49 GMT)

Kudos to Ravi Ashwin, picked as a bowler, but actually just about the most reliable batsman in the side. How to understand this? England miss chance after chance but India are so poor that, despite another good start, they should have lost by an innings and plenty. England lost the plot a little at the end in the face of determined resistance and you just wonder what might have happened if someone else had been willing to show some fight too. But when Kohli averages 17, Dhoni 18, Tendulkar 22 and Yuvraj 25, you are never going to put up big totals that your weak bowling attack can defend. Save for Ojha, none of the Indian bowlers in this match averages under 50 in the series or has a strike rate under 110. Ravi Ashwin, picked as a bowler does not look good enough to be picked for his bowling and off England's four spinners, only Samit Patel averages more even than Ojha: it's pretty damning. England can afford to miss an average of at least two chances per innings and still win easly.

Posted by gopivissu on (December 8, 2012, 11:48 GMT)

The performence of the team INDIA is not up to the mark. The way sachin and Kohli is getting out in the last 3 tests is a worring factor for indian middile order. Also Gambhir and shewag not performing well in the last 2 years. Zaheer is not getting reverse swing with the old ball and Ishanth is not a test bolwer. He is really lucky to get more than 45 chances in test cricket. Yuvraj is purely a limited over criceketer. I think India can replace Gambhir with Jiwanjot singh of Punjab who is performing heavily in the current runji season. Also yuvraj should be replaced with Rahane. As a legendery batsman sachin knows how much his team needs him to perform. Better not to comment on sachin as only little cricket left for him. We need allrounders who can win matches. I think R Dhawan, B kumar and Jadeja should be given better chances to fill the all rounder slot in test cricket. Ashwin is proving him self as a good all rounder but main focus should be on bowling.

Posted by bumsonseats on (December 8, 2012, 11:41 GMT)

although england should win easy enough the fielding catching and wk were not up to scratch. we suffered against the saffars with our catching, even though they were a better team.today we should have had them out for well under 200. but we have done well after losing the toss in india whicch is big deal but collectively they have done well but do not drop standards.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 11:40 GMT)

Quite well summed up, Sid! Just one request: avoid mixed metaphors (India were now like a pack of cards in a bicycle stand.). I don't think our favourite Navjot Singh Siddhu commits that kind of faux pas.

Now, where do we go from here? The big question is: Who to drop and whom to pick? I would not like to be in the shoes of selectors, nor, for that matter, of Dhoni. Sandip Patil is having a baptism of fire. All said and done, will the big defeat sting us enough to come back with determination and purpose? Only time will tell.

Posted by itsthewayuplay on (December 8, 2012, 11:38 GMT)

I thought it was only the Indians fans that don't learn from their team's mistakes. I note some English fans already looking forward to the Australia series after two back to back test wins in India. Remember you're team became no 1 last year winning a series against one of the most inept and pathetic teams to visit England. This was followed by talk of them being one of the best England teams ever. But their weaknesses were exposed against decent opposition such as Pakistan and SA. I said before the series that to win in India is not the challenge that it once was and a series victory is possible. Again England is now playing against the one of the worst teams in international cricket and some of you are getting carried away again. Performances against India home or away are not the barometer by which England should judge themselves. Even Bangladesh at home would provide better opposition than this India team.

Posted by kishoreb4 on (December 8, 2012, 11:36 GMT)

Finally India have at least avoided a huge embarrassment by extending it to one more day.Credit goes to ashwin. India have to make many changes and transform completely to avoid further humiliation.

Posted by bhrangi on (December 8, 2012, 11:34 GMT)

Whole indian team should retire from test cricket.,., it is embarrassing. it is either IPL or test. I am damn sure BCCI business men wont drop IPL, so it should be test. I have never a bad performance like this in our own den. Scrap pak series, I cant imagine how we play against them.

Posted by Dalajit on (December 8, 2012, 11:31 GMT)

@VENKY2110...u r absolutely right, India need to think again on their team combination, Dhoni, Tendulkar, Yuvraj, Zaheer are useless in Test, need some batsman who can stay there. What our selectors are doing Gods know only, we are losing series after series but at the end same team, just one or two changes but who are main culprits are still playing. What Zaheer has done in last 3-4 years that he is still playing, What Tendulkar is doing there, What Dhoni is doing there, he is not a test batsman or a good test captain. Yuvraj better fit for ODI. Bring some young blood to the team like Pujara. AND don't schedule any series with Bangladesh now, it would be disaster for India.

Posted by Sheela on (December 8, 2012, 11:29 GMT)

Dhoni, coach and Indian players cannot blame the pitch for Indian's dismal showing in all departments of the game. England have done their homework very well and not Indians. If Australia or South Africa were batting they would have massacred this Indian bowling. India should have fresh look at coach, captain and players. No use giving chances to sporadic performers. Some Indian batsmen did get starts and none converted to big innings. Indian bowling never looked like taking wickets unless Englishmen themselves committed mistakes and get out.

Posted by Hardy1 on (December 8, 2012, 11:28 GMT)

Ganguly, Dravid, Laxman, Kumble & now Tendulkar & Zaheer who need to be phased out. Losing those players is akin to when Australia lost Warne, McGrath, Langer, Hayden & Gilchrist, amongst others. Replacing them will be very difficult for India, but with guys like Mukund, Rahane, Rohit, Tiwary, Badrinath & others along with Kohli & Pujara already somewhat established the batting shouldn't be a massive problem. Sehwag & Gambhir have found some form which is important too. Dhoni's a liability at the moment and Yuvraj just isn't good enough for Test cricket. However like I said India are well stocked with batsmen & wicketkeepers like Saha, Karthik & Patel aren't bad (although Dhoni won't be dropped). The major problem is the bowling. Yadav & Ojha are good bowlers but I really don't see any other bowlers up to Test standards. Ashwin's decent but needs to improve and his batting will keep him in the team for the forseeable future.

Posted by SamRoy on (December 8, 2012, 11:24 GMT)

Btw England would understand they should always play Finn. India missing Yadav. I have said this on first day when India were 273/7 that unless they scored 350+ in first innings huge loss was on the cards as England will definitely score 400 and may be even 500. There are only 3 reliable batsman in the team Pujara, Kohli and Ashwin. Of which Kohli is out of form. Sehwag's fitness is extremely bad. Yuvraj is a poor test batsman. And Tendulkar and Zaheer should retire immediately. Only shining light this series has been Gambhir getting back into some form. Series is lost (if you lose in Kolkata you can't win in Nagpur) but India can try Harmeet Singh for the final test in place of Yuvraj with Ashwin batting at 6. Better to drop Dhoni and bring Karthik in. FWI to people complaining about lack of viewers at test venues in India: there was more than 50,000 people today at Eden Gardens. So test cricket in India is far from dead.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 11:24 GMT)

I thought Indians took a battering in England. But this is evenmore humiliating, in front of their own fans!

Posted by jmcilhinney on (December 8, 2012, 11:23 GMT)

That's a fine innings by Ashwin but just too little too late. He had his share of luck but then so did Cook. When you're desperate for motivation to save a series, the difference between losing by an innings and losing by potentially 10 wickets can be significant. It's good to see that England have improved in the field but they're still not perfect. Swann missing Sehwag in the slips could have been costly, although it was a difficult chance. Bell's drop of Kohli was also a tough chance with Kohli basically middling the ball. Prior had a bit of a shocker though. Should have had Ashwin twice and the game should be over by now. Oh well, should be done before lunch at least.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 11:18 GMT)

i think team is not the problem with india their character is the problem ,they should learn from tailenders and atleast equal the series in the next match

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 11:16 GMT)

Sandeep Patil & Co. should take brave decisions and bring Manoj Tiwari, Badrinath and Umesh Yadav into the squad. Gambhir has messed up both innings by running out Sehwag in the first and Pujara in the second, should be replaced by Rahane. Yuvraj and Kohli look lost. Zaheer is a spent force, so too is Ishant. Ashwin can play as a specialist batsman. The series is in danger of being gift wrapped in Nagpur, a nice Christmas present.

Posted by VinodGupte on (December 8, 2012, 11:06 GMT)

drop/sack/force-retire everyone in the side except pujara, kohli and ojha. we need a fresh side. totally fresh side. and sack fletcher too.

Posted by Front-Foot-Lunge on (December 8, 2012, 11:04 GMT)

We all know that Anderson is both a flat-deck and green top master, but this is getting ridiculous. Game in, game out he get good batsmen out on flat decks. Anderson will be recorded in cricket history as one of the game's greats.

Posted by y4yoga on (December 8, 2012, 11:02 GMT)

I think VVS laxman is currently batting at 8th position. please make him bat at no 5. No need to search for a new VVS

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 10:57 GMT)

Ashwin shud bat at no4 nd get another spinner for his place. Gautam needs to go for rahane.yuvraj shud vacate his place for rohit. After all that changes, series shud still go england 3-1 .

Posted by Essex_Man on (December 8, 2012, 10:54 GMT)

Absolutely magnificent, England! Well played, lads. A delight to watch a top-quality all-round bowling attack in action.

Posted by reality_checker on (December 8, 2012, 10:52 GMT)

Tendulkar fails again in a match where his grit and determination to hold England at bay would have been appreciated!

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 10:50 GMT)

Give Ashwin "the All-rounder" some crdeit.. this is wat test cricket stuffs are made off!!

Posted by melvn on (December 8, 2012, 10:36 GMT)

I dont say to scrap IPL(as it is not going to happen) so Please scrap test cricket for avoiding further humiliations. When we got white washed in England & Australia, even cricket pundits attributed it to the inability of Indians against pace & bounce, NO ,Not at all, we cant just play test cricket now.the same team has won test matches in England,Australia& South Africa in the previous tours. Now we have moulded our game completely to the T20 format ,we cant play tests anymore. The only man who scored some runs is Pujara, because he has not adapted himself to the T20 format. Any way Congratulations England.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 10:06 GMT)

Ashwin is still there on the wicket. He has proved that he can stay on the wicket....Good work..!!

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 10:06 GMT)

I have nothing to comment, being Pakstani second and sub-continent fan first I wished India should beat england exactly they way we elegantly did at UAE... But now what to comment??? absolutely nothing. Just waiting to hear what Dhoni said in post match conference. and Will Sachin go

Posted by VENKY2110 on (December 8, 2012, 10:03 GMT)

it's really very much disappointment for Indian fans.Even the team couldn't draw the match. Its really shame for us. We lost the series in ENGLAND , AUSTRALIA , now at home. Whole selection of the team is bad. I must suggest BCCI selector to bring on young player and the change our team. first of all drop zaheer , yuvraj , bajji, sachin(retirnment) , dhoni. If i would be a part of selection commitie then i would have selected my team 1.GAMBHIR , 2.RAHANE , 3.PUJARA , 4.UNMUKT CHAND (OR) MANOJ TIWARY , 5.VIRAT KOHLI , 6.SEHWAG(CAPTAIN) , 7.SAHA (or) PATEL , 8.ASHWIN , 9.YADAV , 10. ISHANT , 11.OJHA. This team would be far better then now. Try to bring out some pace bolwer around 140-150 kmph. If the status of indian team continues then one day BANGLADESH TOUR TO INDIA , BANGLADESH WON SERIES BY 4-0. THIS WOULD HURT ALL HEART CORE FANS OF INDIA. COME ON BOYS WE ARE WORLD CHAMPIONS!!.

Posted by thebatsmansHoldingthebowlersWilley on (December 8, 2012, 9:31 GMT)

Great to see Finn and Anderson bowling in tendem, both getting the ball to reverse. Pleased for Swanny to take the key wicket of Sehwag, India folded like a pack of cards after that. After under-performing against S Africa and Pakistan, we're back in business. I'm likcing my lips for the back to back Ashes series...it's going to be embarrassing for the aussies. Goodness only knows what kind of a pitch Dhoni will ask for the final test....

Posted by syed feroz86 on (December 8, 2012, 9:28 GMT)

All respect to Sir Sachin for the contribution over the years, and Zaheer now is time to give a way to youngsters. Anyway the team is under performing, soit is good time to test the young talent now. without Dravid and Laxman this series team sunk to this level let us see how worse can be without two more seniors.

Posted by arews on (December 8, 2012, 9:26 GMT)

I have never witnessed India performing so poorly at home since 1992. Yeah, Australia beat us 2-1 but that was on the cards. This is so disappointing to all Indian cricket fans. England is a good team but Indian should never have allowed them to dominate like this. Wins and losses are part of all games but this is humiliating and demoralizing. When India was hammered to the ground in England 4-0 that was bad enough but at least it could have been excused with the reason that it was their home. How about this now? I think this blow is unrecoverable to India for quite some time in the future. Indian bowling is poor that any team in the world can easily dominate them. Pakistan wrecked England in UAE 3-0 and I hoped India would have done it more easily. Bad time for Indian Cricket.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 9:22 GMT)

Very reminiscent of what Australia used to do to England. One good session does not make a test match. Warne or McGrath would take 5 wickets or Hayden score at more than a run a ball and ruin a decent session.

Posted by thebatsmansHoldingthebowlersWilley on (December 8, 2012, 9:17 GMT)

Great to see Finn and Anderson bowling in tandem, both reversing it. Pleased for Swanny that he made the big breakthrough against Sehweg after being outbowled by Panesar for much of the 2nd and third tests. England are back in business after underperforming against South Africa and Pakistan. Licking my lips for the back to back Ashes series... Goodness only knows what kind of a pitch Dhoni will ask for for the final test!!

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 9:17 GMT)

My husband agrees that England is winning too easily.India needs to get rid of dead wood and recruit young blood to stop the shame of reckless plays. Posted on behalf ofmy husband and his friends who wake up at 3.00 a.m. every morning to watch such a poor performance of India.

Posted by mixters on (December 8, 2012, 9:09 GMT)

So after the first test you had to preform on the sub continate to be considerd anything more than a "street team" according to some. This dominate preformance from England is really impresive and reminisant of there 4/0 drubbing of this well arr "street team" in England earlier. I can only hope India get rid of this team and starts to build a test side on recent preformance not past glory or overinflated ego

Posted by gm47 on (December 8, 2012, 9:06 GMT)

time for India to bring in some young hungry batsmen and bowlers. the current players have no fight in them.... too rich and comfortable.

England to win series 3-1 :)

Posted by Pritt32 on (December 8, 2012, 8:46 GMT)

India is staring at a heavy defeat against a classy England team, with seven wickets down and will lose their dominance on home turf. India batmen cannot barely survive a day. Outplayed and outclassed by England. The home side is not worthy of an international standard test team. Alarms bells should be ringing to the Indian side. It is imperative India add at least six new players for the next test and forthcoming series, otherwise the same vicious cycle will be repeated. Drop Dhoni, Khan, Tendulkar, Singh, Kholi, Sehwag and Ashwin. The appetite for test cricket needs to be restored by searching hard for players of test quality level. There is plenty out there, but theses corrupt selectors are blind to see this. IPL only every two years, otherwise India will be a laughing stock at international level. The players are too busy with partying, money and Bollywood. Discipline, mandatory fitness and practise sessions and curfews have to introduce. India cricket team need changing now

Posted by A_Vacant_Slip on (December 8, 2012, 8:37 GMT)

145/6 @ tea. India doing a passble impression of Chernobyl. Where are the big talker India follower now??? Choking on the humble pie no doubt...

Posted by Akshita29 on (December 8, 2012, 8:33 GMT)

Oh whatever happens in this series fron now on please remove Dhoni, Zak , Sachin and Yuvraj. Sachin loves to play cricket so he can keep playing IPL as long as he wishes . Blood some youngstars please for the next series .

Posted by imsasi on (December 8, 2012, 8:27 GMT)

Nice ending there... With the most consistant batsmen and no rain forecast.. we need a sand strom in kolkata.

Posted by Rooboy on (December 8, 2012, 8:21 GMT)

The little master fails when his team most needs him. Again. He's a great batsman, and he's right up there for scoring meaningless runs, but in a crisis, I'd prefer even someone like Healy. there's a massive difference between scoring heavily when it doesn't influence the match,and fighting when to save/win a game when it counts.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 8:18 GMT)

well played england...poor batting from india...

Posted by wazza85 on (December 8, 2012, 8:10 GMT)

at least someones giving India a run in their own back yard. excellent cricket by England.

Posted by baranasai on (December 8, 2012, 7:57 GMT)

This is totally expected script-I did not expect the opening to do well as I thought will be 40 for 4 .it is slighlty better at 120/6 /well done India What else you can do betteras their world class batsmen neuither could bat well against a test playing nation and their bowlers could contain the opponents even if they play the 4 th innings .well done DHoni keep up the good working we will expect 3/1 win for India MSD please resign the captaincy SRT please go away as you are spoiling the chnace of many youngsters.

Posted by ksrajavel87 on (December 8, 2012, 7:55 GMT)

Come on guys,, The reason is simple.. india cant play quality spin and fast(except pujaraa and past sachin),, And moreover india dont want to waste one more extra day in the ground.. Hopefully this will be the end of MSD. if not then this will be the end of indian Test cricket team..

Posted by dr.thiyagaraj on (December 8, 2012, 7:51 GMT)

Have the Indians lost the attitude of fighting,or had it gone with the likes of Dravid and V.V.S.shameful display of batting.gambir involved in 2 runouts.look in to wickets of Dhoni and Sachin,are they giving catch practice to the English fielders.English bowlers are not that great but its the indian batsman who are meekly surrendering.what is the purpose of sachin being there in the team with all his experience with not able to take his team through....

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 7:37 GMT)

absolute HUMILIATION.... MS Dhoni does'nt even deserve to be a test player and he's the skipper. A big turnaround transformation of indian test team in near future !!

Posted by Reckoners on (December 8, 2012, 7:34 GMT)

Test Cricket isn't for Dhoni. The only question is, how many matches he needs to loose to realise that.!!

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 7:25 GMT)

India is going to lose this series 1-3. India will also lose 0-4 against Australia. God save India!

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 7:18 GMT)

A memory of chennai 2008/9 was that when england beat india inside 4 days in their own backyard?

Posted by yankinsa on (December 8, 2012, 7:03 GMT)

Can this second rate Indian side even avoid the innings defeat ?? Not looking this way - delusionary thinking when you hear the TV commentators talk up Indian past " glories". This side just hasnt got it. Probably only the 5th or 6th best side in the world right now.

Posted by Gary_the_Pom on (December 8, 2012, 7:02 GMT)

Even with India using the DRS they will lose this game.

Posted by Raman.UV on (December 8, 2012, 6:19 GMT)

Dhoni is favouring Ashwin over Ojha. He denied him taking another 5 wicket haul by replacing him when he had taken 4 th wicket. its NOt the first time he did that.

Posted by Resultpredictor on (December 8, 2012, 6:15 GMT)

Now Indians will hammer English bowlers all around the Eden gardens. Lets hope Sehwag scores a double century today

Posted by GRVJPR on (December 8, 2012, 6:08 GMT)

MS Dhoni actually gifted Englad a victory by playing on bad pitch at mumbai. This pitch will show england where they belongs. A very ordinary side indeed. They lead by 200 and playing as if train by 400. 7 players on boundary and killing test cricket

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 6:01 GMT)

Hope Indian Batsman now show their determination and technique to fight back and save the 3rd Test match against England. Long way to go. If Sehwag and Gambhir can play long innings, then the others could contribute too. So, please give the Britain players a good surprise.......!

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 5:57 GMT)

India have done it before.. Winning a Test Match at Eden Gardens after conceding a first innings lead...

Posted by disco_bob on (December 8, 2012, 5:11 GMT)

It appears that England have squandered a golden opportunity here to put India firmly on the back foot. At this rate England could end up in some serious trouble if India have plenty of wickets intact and go for quick runs. With the mini collapse it's possible that a wounded India could yet win this match.

Posted by abhiyog on (December 8, 2012, 4:37 GMT)

India needs to put up a great batting 'FAF'fort to save this match.........

Posted by   on (December 8, 2012, 4:36 GMT)

come on England take some wickets win this match please

Posted by Al_Bundy1 on (December 8, 2012, 4:31 GMT)

Now it's up to India's batsmen to save this match. Lets see if they can man up to this challenge. If they can't save this match, Selectors should drop all of them for the next match. We don't need such fair weather batsmen!

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