India v England, 3rd Test, Kolkata, 5th day

'Won't run away from responsibility' - Dhoni

Sidharth Monga

December 9, 2012

Comments: 211 | Text size: A | A

MS Dhoni has left his future as captain in the selectors' hands, but he has also said he won't run away from the responsibility.

"As a leader this is a challenge thrown at me," Dhoni said moments after India completed their first set of back-to-back home Test losses since 1999-2000. "It is always good to lead a side when you are performing well. That is not the time you need a leader. Leading a side is all about when the team is not doing well. To try to gel the team together. To back the youngsters, back the seniors. Try to move in the right direction.

"The easiest thing to do for me right now is to quit the captaincy and stay part of the side. That's running away from responsibility that's upon us. Of course there are others who will decide. There is BCCI and other administrative people who look into that. For me, my responsibility is to get the team together and be prepared for the next Test match."

As usual, Dhoni contradicted himself in the same answer when asked to elaborate on Duncan Fletcher's role. He said, rightly so, that the team shouldn't look for excuses and scapegoats, but in the same breath he made these Test defeats sound like an aberration, failing to admit to the lows that the team has reached.

"He [Fletcher] has got excellent technical knowledge about our batting," Dhoni said. "He guides us in the right direction. Ultimately once you cross that rope you are on your own whatever happens. That's the time you have to get up and retaliate. That's where we are lacking as of now.

"It's wrong to question the coach. We have won quite a few series, the ODI performance have been really good. In between we have won Test series. Okay in Australia and England we struggled, but this is a series after that that we have not done well, the last two matches that you see. You shouldn't really look for excuses, to put it on the coach. Ultimately it is up to the 11 players who turn up on the field. On a wicket like this, you need to score more runs, and the situation will be different."

For the record, India have been knocked out of two ODI tournaments this year, they have lost to Bangladesh, and were disappointing in World Twenty20 too. In Tests, they have won at home, and that too against West Indies and New Zealand. In the West Indies, they won one Test and refused to try to win another. The Test record under Fletcher is 10 defeats to six wins. Reduce it to strong opposition, and it becomes 9-1. This is not to put all the blame on Fletcher, but to clarify that India haven't won much at all, unlike what the captain believes.

Dhoni also said the side's batting can't run away from responsibility either. The first question he was asked at the press conference was, "How bad does it need to get before it gets better?" Dhoni didn't answer directly, but responded with a description of batting failures.

"The batting order will have to take responsibility," he said. "We need to score more runs. This was a very good wicket to bat on. Of course the bowlers will bowl a few good deliveries that you need to keep out. But the top seven, most of us will have to score at the same time so that we can get a par total, which the bowlers can look to defend. If you don't score too many runs in the first innings and if the opposition score runs in the first innings, you will find yourself under pressure."

Dhoni said this was not the worst phase of his career. The worst came in England and Australia, he said, for at least here they can hope to rectify the problems. "If you talk about the low, the England, Australia series were the lows because we weren't able to compete," he said. "Here we know what the faults are and we should be able to rectify those. Overall the bowlers are doing well, I think. Once you don't get enough runs on the board you question bowlers too as to if they would have defended a bigger score as well, but I think the spinners have done really well. Bit more contribution from the fast bowlers would really help."

On the fast bowlers, the obvious question was about Zaheer Khan's effectiveness and fitness. "It's a very technical question," Dhoni said. "The beauty of it is we all know the problem and it will be great help if find out a solution. Everybody is asking the same question.

"As far as the fitness is concerned, he has been the way he is for the last few years. Definitely he is not unfit, he is doing everything. The England batsmen are doing well. From behind it looks as if he is bowling in the right area. Bowlers sometimes go through a phase when they don't get wickets. This is a phase maybe. As far as the bowling is concerned he is still bowling quite the same. He is swinging it both ways. We will have to wait and watch. He looks fit. Fitness is not an issue."

We will wait and watch indeed. Dhoni was due to go to a selection meeting soon after leaving the ground.

Sidharth Monga is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo

RSS Feeds: Sidharth Monga

© ESPN Sports Media Ltd.

Posted by   on (December 12, 2012, 6:53 GMT)

@ Dineshotham Kumar Khambhammettu ...............GREAT GESTURE...........................Only thing to blame is strategy and making strategy is the job of COACH..........He must form correct strategy

Posted by sudhanshu22 on (December 11, 2012, 13:52 GMT)

I think Dhoni should be dropped from captaincy and the team. We need a technically correct batsmen for test cricket. He should be selected only for one days and t20s where his record is superior. I think he will be more than happy to relinquish test cricket considering the IPL and other commitments. We don't want bits and pieces cricker for test cricket, especially when we have better test wicket keeper batsman than him. Note that Samit Patel is playing for England entirely because of his batting skills and once Panesar is in the side, Cook has hardly allowed Patel to bowl. We really need Dravid and Laxman kind of stylish and classical cricketers for test cricket. There is no use of giving Dhoni any chances in test cricket. We should look at his test statistics in overseas cricket.

Posted by   on (December 11, 2012, 7:57 GMT)

Dhoni should think of batting up the order. While he comes, he misses out all the support he has on the other end, maybe he should come 2 down.

Posted by   on (December 11, 2012, 7:49 GMT)

Guys, Understand this, Rut is common in any form of game. These guys aren't there for losing. They aren't losers, they aren't cowards. They are just into a rut. Now, all we are doing is to aggravate them. The average pressure that an Indian Cricketer has on him is too much. I know they earn well, but earning doesn't give u happiness. Infact debating about all this, doesn't give them confidence. Sometimes we need to tell our guys that we are with you. They know their job better than anyone else. Let us stick to them when they need our support. Just blaming every1 and suggesting changes in not required. Faith. First they need to believe in their team. Once they get the belief, they are on the job. Characters come when there is enough emotional support. I take my Indian tea's side. I am not in a mirage. They are the best, all they require is time for themselves to improve and the assurance that they are secure. Let us give them faith guys

Posted by Alexk400 on (December 11, 2012, 1:36 GMT)

DUMP Dhoni Duncan Sachin. All at same time. It has to be done if BCCI people have common sense.

Posted by here2rock on (December 11, 2012, 0:19 GMT)

Dhoni a One Day and T20 great but Test Match tragic.

Posted by here2rock on (December 11, 2012, 0:04 GMT)

What leadership? India is struggling because he has shown no leadership at all, backing up non consistent players is extremely foolish in my opinion.

Posted by fguy on (December 10, 2012, 20:58 GMT)

Why doesn't Indian media ask hard probing questions of Dhoni / Fletcher / BCCI instead of allowing them to give facetious answers & get away lightly? ask the same question again till they stop evading. questions like - why has the slip cordon become a game of musical chairs?

Posted by Ha8rick on (December 10, 2012, 19:45 GMT)

Dhoni meant to say that he won't run away from the Money that he gets paid.

Posted by drjustinrobert on (December 10, 2012, 17:26 GMT)

The biggest problem with Indian Cricket is not with BCCI, not the cricketers, not the coaching staff, not the facilities, not the grounds, not the pitch but it is all about the stupidity of Indian fans. Why do we do hero worship, make a simple human being like Sachin, Dhoni, Sehwag or even Gambhir a God and expect them to do miraculous things even when they near the end of their life. We Indians lack PROFESSIONALISM in following games, but adopt SPORTS RITUALISM and worship ordinary individuals. Leave alone cricketers, there are idiots who even worship IPL owners. When the Indian fans become objective and simply avoid being crazy fans, if a cricketer is not contributing he will walk away and the next best will find his place in the team. Now the biggest problem is the past and present selectors, the BCCI and everyone in India and even SACHIN is afraid, if there will be a severe backlash from his fans if he announces his retirement. Let anyone go if they want to.

Posted by VinodGupte on (December 10, 2012, 16:51 GMT)

parry singh, were you born in the last two years? i mean, SRT has played gems regularly up until two years ago. check out his hundred against SA and then his double against AUS in bangalore among several others.

Posted by Nampally on (December 10, 2012, 16:33 GMT)

Won't Run Away From Responsibility" looks & sounds a great caption. But this is exactly what the Indian team has done individually & collectively - Most irresponsible batting. India has great batting but threw away their wkts. thru' irresponsible batting. One has to be serious when they blurt out statements like these.Ashwin showed what Responsibility" really means - in the second innings.He put the top 7 batsmen to shame with an unbeaten 91, scored mainly in the company of #10 & 11 by farming the bowling. Hopefully Jadeja, Chawla & Awana will being that "responsibility". Discipline, Patience & Responsibility are absent in the Indian Team since the England tour right up to Kolkatta Test. How can they magically reappear with a press statement by Dhoni when he was the leader during this period? Unless the Indian Selectors & players realize how careless this team has been, nothing will change. I still think India is much stronger than England but it is self destructive on the field!

Posted by VPratik on (December 10, 2012, 16:31 GMT)

No Doubt, MS Dhoni is a great leader in Indian Cricket history. In recent times, we saw Indian Cricket team on first position on test cricket. But now, we have loss almost three (Dada, Laxman and Dravid) senior players which is effecting to Indian Cricket team. Now many young players are on their way to play test cricket, but it is all upto patience and experience. It will take some time to show a legend performance in Test Cricket.

Posted by Alexk400 on (December 10, 2012, 15:48 GMT)

Whether india stuggle or not without dhoni is immaterial. The current Dhoni is lack of ideas , lack of creative plan , he is a dead weight in the team with his current mental state. We have to get rid of dead weights gambhir ,yuvi , zaheer , bhaji , sachin immediately. We need to have plan. Lets say selectors you will be given 10 test to prove your worth. if you do not do well in last 5 test , you will be dropped. Some kinda of grading system for players in the team. And coach/captain over ride that rule but they need explanation. If you lose past 3 test you should not be captain. 10-0 loss no one will have job even richest country , forget poor country. Dhoni is very very lucky to have captain job. DHONI MUST GO! Period. We will have growing pains with kohli which is better than growing pains with dead weight dhoni.

Posted by   on (December 10, 2012, 15:09 GMT)

For those who ever say dhoni was the man to bring India to no 1 test side u people are wrong, it all started with ganguly and followed by kumble and at last the by dhoni. Achievment is to bring the team from no 9 to no 1 test team not from no 02 to no 1

Posted by   on (December 10, 2012, 13:28 GMT)

I know what is going to happen when he give up his captaincy... Perhaps dhoni knows it better than anyone... He was no more included in test team :D :D :D

Posted by   on (December 10, 2012, 13:19 GMT)

Jadeja was the best allrounder india had and because of dhoni terrible captainship of telling jadeja to bowl at the death over, jadeja was dropped from the team. Telling jadeja to bowl in the final over is like telling selector drop jadeja, Dhoni is great thinker we know that but he cannot unite a team there is always problem with dhoni captainship some times he drops shewag , laxman was also upset with dhoni, dhoni is terrible captain

Posted by   on (December 10, 2012, 13:00 GMT)

sachin doesnt hold one record which counts for something...a 300 in tests...forget the fastest 100..thts beyond him...he doesnt even have a run-a-ball hundred in tests...a hundred in a backs to the wall situation which bails the team out of trouble..a counter attacking innings like KP s in mumbai...just a holder of useless records of most runs,most hundreds,most failures etc etc...

Posted by chin-music on (December 10, 2012, 12:31 GMT)

Surely , a basic requirement of leadership is an ability to objectively face up to reality, to accept one's shortcomings & then motivate self/team to do its best to improve in those areas. Going by the answers Dhoni gives - he seems to feel saying "we were not good enough" is some sign of weakness & not part of his wierd definition of "leadership". While I still think Dhoni the player is required to rebuild Indian team, clearly this man is no leader - he simply moves along with the standard , self serving metality of Indian fans that India is somehow a supremely talented team, which only loses because freak things like injury, green top, umpire, toss etc intervene - never because they are not really that good with bat & ball!!

Posted by ADI_GUNGALIYA_FANTASY on (December 10, 2012, 12:19 GMT)

TILL NOW Round 6 day 3, My Ranji XI 2012 with batting order:

1. Jiwanjot Singh (661 runs) 2. Akshath Reddy (530 runs) 3. Parthiv Patel(WK & C) (694 runs) 4. Ravindra Jadeja (794 runs & 21 wickets) 5. Hiken Shah (433 runs) 6. Manprit Juneja (571 runs) 7. Parvez Rassol (436 runs & 22 wickets) 8. Rishi Dhawan (374 runs & 32 wickets) 9. Rakesh Dhruv (340 runs & 20 wickets) 10. Shahbaz Nadeem (26 wickets) 11. Sandeep Sharma (29 wickets)

other Reserves 12. Paras Dogra (617 runs) 13. Siddarth Kaul (28 wickets) 14. Ishwar Pandey (29 wickets) 15. Yashpal Singh (652 runs)

What all of u think about it against ENGLAND ? I think much competitive than current indian team & might be 3-0 we would have as spin option of Jadeja, Rassol,Nadeem & Dhruv + Batting Depth + good young fast bowler + batsman who implement them & looks for big score.

Posted by   on (December 10, 2012, 12:17 GMT)

my only wish is to see sachin tendulkar playing a valuable,selfless,meaningful innings before i die.....or before the end of the world...whichever is earlier..it hasnt happened so far...and looks like my wish is gonna remain unfulfilled...

Posted by   on (December 10, 2012, 11:47 GMT)

"Leading a side is all about when the team is not doing well." - wish my boss understood that

Posted by   on (December 10, 2012, 11:46 GMT)

@sachin_vvsfan, How dare you?? you forget intentionally our world class wicket keeper Saha.. its unbearable..

Posted by   on (December 10, 2012, 10:39 GMT)

I think instead of blaming MSD or tem or coach,, why dont we blame whole system?? Why we dont see the drastic different between approach and attitude between two teams???? England's body language says they are here to win,, and MSD's shows he is lack of plans. If we have selectors, BCCI chiefs as stalwarts in cricket, they should be able to correct this instead of passing the buck. Why players are treated as if they are certain in team .Aussie sacked Steve Waugh from ODI team when he failed,,,

Posted by Front-Foot-Lunge on (December 10, 2012, 10:22 GMT)

@Uppercut07, And your evidence for such a wise declaration is.....Oh I better not ask, especially given the position Australia are in at the moment. Jealous you don't have a test level spinner?

Posted by   on (December 10, 2012, 10:02 GMT)

He is the dark knight...a watchful guardian!

Posted by colombo_SL on (December 10, 2012, 9:58 GMT)

Sunil Gavaskar, Kapil Dev & Sachin Tendulkar are India's 3 living legends. MS Dhoni is very closer to them. He brought 2 World Cups to the country. He lead the team to the No.1 spot in Test cricket. There may be lean periods in one's life. These defeats are not solely due to Dhoni.

Posted by   on (December 10, 2012, 9:54 GMT)

Dhony is good leader with futune. and the they had 'Garry' for few years .......and he did great to uplift the 'India' to be on the Top. now that era is over...... 'See the South Africa...now they are going to be on the 'Top' and trust me they will win the next world cup for sure. hopefully..the 'Last champions trophy as well.

Duncan fletcher coudn't do much for England with his tactics.....bcoz he doesn't have ..modern practical cricket. get somebody from AUSTRALIA OR FROM INDIA IT SELF AS COACH. This is the only way that India can servive in the future. they will loose the 4th Test for sure.......bocoz.....Drop Tendulkar as well. now his time is over and he is not aggressive enough due to physics. India have got lot of telent in their youngters. 'look @ Kholi /Pujara / and give Murali vijay another go he will bounce back for sure. and also India has to think to reduce long IPL schedule....bcoz this is the only way you can make a good test side.

Posted by Rouky04 on (December 10, 2012, 9:08 GMT)

After first test india seems invinsible at home ground and got carried away. No Need to Panic though Just drop Sachin, Sehwag and Yuvi and Add Rehane, R Jadeja and Rohit Sharma. Too much reliance on spinners made difficult for them to perform. Five specilist bowlers are required with atleast 3 fast bowlers with pace like Aarone of DD.

Posted by Samdanh on (December 10, 2012, 9:01 GMT)

"Dhoni says leadership is about dealing with hard times". Yes. Dhoni is correct on such a motherhood statement. But what Dhoni and BCCI missed is admission of failures and reviewing and working towards improving - after 0-4 drubbing in England and Australia. Virat Kohli, Gambhir, Dhoni and BCCI senior official - all of them openly challenged and stated that when these teams come to India, India can beat them royally. That is where their leadership was lost, miserably. Leadership was also missing when focussing only on pitches. It may be easier with Australia, and we may win that series, as Aus team does not have the balance and quality that this Eng team has. But it could be tough again, just in case Aus team bat and bowl better than potential, and if Aus selectors add few spinners to their team

Posted by vijaytsg on (December 10, 2012, 8:50 GMT)

This is not a right time to discuss the leadership changing ,Dhoni has tremendous knowledge , for example World cup final Sehwag and Sachin what they did? reaching the final is team contribution but final winning is most importent , give a chance to younsters Badri, Manish pandy , Robin uttappa ,sikher dawan and Ambati rayudu etc...... While we observe the third test sehwag and sachin out's very very silly , Again proveed world records will not save the matches

Posted by JustOUT on (December 10, 2012, 8:45 GMT)

haha.. To all indian fans those who were thinking that their team is a LION at home. They thought team india can trash England and Aussies 4-0 at home after their own drubbing on the green pitches. Now comes the truth. They cannot win on GREEN TRACKS and they also cannot win on SPIN TRACKs. Also, where is that Raina and Kohili hiding from media. They blabbered something before the series.. now they hv gone for a hiding. Team India is the only team who never correct their failures. Look at England, they got hiding in UAE and they worked hard to win matches on SPIN track and now they got the results. I can see India going below SL and above BANGLADESH n TEST RANKINGS.. that's what they deserve... haha

Posted by   on (December 10, 2012, 8:20 GMT)

Keep supporting the team and the young guys,give them time to replace the greats like VVS and dravid.Stick with kohli and UV.Don't yet confirm Ashwin as an allrounder.Persist with this lineups and build a team.Also the seniors should try and lead the team better.We need more guts than praactice hours.Also MSD needs to cut down on his out the off stump pokes,it looks a ugly.Gauti needs to do the same too.A bit of more focus should help the team than knee jerk reactions.Sachin has seen stuff like this before and has come good.I am sure he knows his cricket more than we do.

Posted by   on (December 10, 2012, 8:08 GMT)

I think the issue here lies beyond the team. it's the structure of Indian cricket, and the money available in the IPL in particular. Batsmen don't have the patience to build innings, and spinners don't flight or spin the ball to get wickets, they just wait for mistakes (see Swann's first ball to Sehwag after ilunch for what I mean). The point here is that test cricket is different to T20, and requires a different mindset, and Indian cricketers can make a great living (which is great for cricket) without pushing themselves (which isn't). Even worse, it won't stop Ravi Shastri screaming uncritically about Indian cricket superstars come the IPL. The BCCI controls what the Indian cricket fan hears, and its members have vested interests in the success of the IPL, so India has no independent voice.

Posted by   on (December 10, 2012, 8:04 GMT)

I can assure team IND will silence all its critics in AUS series if Tendulkar plays in AUS series he will score at least 2 100s.............Note down my statement

Posted by tearawayquick on (December 10, 2012, 7:52 GMT)

Whats wrong with you MS? Its time for you to move on... At times realizing the fact that you are not good enough to do the job and leaving the seat vacant in the larger interests of the team requires more courage. Like most things captaincy too has a shelf life. You have had a great run for 5 years but the results have been poor of late, so its up to you to gracefully step down rather than clinging on to power. Hope you follow the examples of Andrew Strauss, Naser Hussain, Michael Vaughan and Sachin who had stepped down from captaincy after similar drubbings.Need of the hour for Team India is to rediscover Dhoni the player rather than have Dhoni as the captain. My team for 4th Test would have been Sehwag(c),Rahane,Pujara,Sachin,Kohli,Rohit Sharma,MS,Bhajji,Harmeet Singh,Ishanth,Zak

Posted by   on (December 10, 2012, 7:39 GMT)

Dhoni was always a good manager of resources. But a captain is more than that and his real test is to work when the chips are down. ts good he has half the problem resolved. He knows his real test begins now.

Dhoni must accomplish this feat if he wants to be named alongside the best skippers the game has seen.

Theres nothing special about Misbahs batting with 2500 odd test runs, but the fact that he has raised a quality test side from heaps speaks volumes about his ability as a leader.

Posted by Kais.sarang on (December 10, 2012, 7:26 GMT)

Dhoni is a good captain, But he should perform well. By replacing Dhoni will not solve the team indias problem. Problem is indian selection is based on old performance. Problem with Indian selection panels. Suprise too see ishant sharma in the side, Wat about Yuvraj & tendulkar Doing in the side. Old spare parts are always replaced by a new one. If feel sorry for vvs & dravid not in the side.

Posted by sargan on (December 10, 2012, 6:27 GMT)

first of all test cricket is professional cricket....don't allow t20 players like dhoni yuvi raina etc......jst think yourself dhoni u are not fit to this format....lots of odi t20 future is there in u ....try to hold it....leave as test captain as well as batsman.....we are fans of cricket...not an individual.....we won't see anymore lose even in subcontinent piches.....

Posted by sak00n on (December 10, 2012, 6:16 GMT)

I dont understand why are people so harsh about performance of indian cricket.. it happen with teams when senior players get retired from test cricket.. i am pakistani fan even i can understand why this happening with team india.. Rahul dravid and laxman's retirement definitely effect the indian test team if they retire or drop their more seniors, things gonna more worse.. Test cricket is all about temperament and consistency and senior players have that more than t20 stars who want score more runs by boundaries than getting singles ,rotating the strike and blocking the balls.. i think india should take their time, play with seniors as much they can and replace seniors one by one and with players that have nature of playing test cricket.. Every one want to see their supper stars in all forms of cricket, Some players are great but not for test cricket as shahid afridi, micullum,pollard,warner,sorry to say sehwag and kohli are also in that list..

Posted by streetblader on (December 10, 2012, 6:12 GMT)

Great teams are not built in a day. It takes time and patience. All the hard work done by former greats like Sourav Ganguly in the company of Tendulkar, Dravid, Lkhshman, Kumble etc is pitifully being undone by Dhoni. If abck to back defeats in their own backyard, following 8-0 whitewashes in Eng and Australia, failure to compete in the triseries in Aus and Asia cup, getting knocked out of the first stage in T-20 WC, doesnt move the selctors, then nothing will. Indian cricket is going to go to abysmal depths under Dhoni. I guess selectors will notice only when we are ranked below BD now.

Posted by kripscric on (December 10, 2012, 5:54 GMT)

WITHOUT A TEST TEAM YOU CANNOT WIN TEST CRICKET. Dont blame dhoni alone, cos he is not the only selector Ther is no one to fill the gap of DRAVID, LAKSHMAN & KUMBLE.., So should not expect Sachin to retire.(dont make him run away from responsibility) Ponting retires cos aussies have his replacement in team who scores back to back 200s........ In INDIA no youngster was groomed to fill these Big boots. Ashwin is a better test batsman than Yuvraj, Raina, Kholi... We have wasted talents like JAFFER, BADRINATH.

Posted by   on (December 10, 2012, 5:47 GMT)

How come there is no question mark on Duncan Fletcher? Has anyone noticed the dip in Indian cricket ever since he took over? The best coach in the world (Gary Kirsten) is now with the Proteus. and guess where they are going - UP!!! I think it's time that BCCI looks into Duncan's post along with some of the players. MS can only do much. Apart from the first test, India's bowling hasn't had any bite! None of our fast bowlers can penetrate any batting lineup. What was Ishant Sharma doing playing the 2nd test? He had no business playing it. He was barely fit... The test squad for Nagpur looks promising; however I think the selectors made a mistake of overlooking Amit Mishra. I think he should been given the nod instead of Piyush...

Posted by   on (December 10, 2012, 4:32 GMT)

Now that we have lost, its good time to give chance to new comers by dropping once for all Tendulkar, Sehwag & Dhoni and by giving chance to Rahane, Unmukt and Saha.

Posted by bhrangi on (December 10, 2012, 4:30 GMT)

No one is blaming Dhoni., As a batsmen and captain he is also failed, he should be added in to be removed hit list. Is it worth to keep a guy in team just because he is cool and captaining the team.?

Posted by   on (December 10, 2012, 4:29 GMT)

One problem Indian players seem to have is they are not frank about their limitations. This includes Dhoni also. Sangakkara or Mccullum refused to be WK in tests. Andy Flower also at one stage stopped being WK. How is Dhoni able to handle three jobs in all the three formats? Clear answer is he is unable to tell his limitations but is afraid to tell so which could be seen in the results. We know Malinga and Brett Lee retired early from bowling in tests. Zaheer may be feeling he will be judged heavily as a selfish person if he retired from tests and is reluctant to retire. Is it the same with Sachin also?

Posted by   on (December 10, 2012, 4:23 GMT)

Mr: Dhoni, Happy to hear positive statements from you. But the point you got wrong is you feel you are not to run away from responsibility. That is not the issue. To some extent, you have to accept your limitations also. Speak out if you feel fatigued. No player in the World is accepting to be a captain, WK and a batsman in all the three formats. This itself indicates how much three jobs can take a toll. The question is are you able to handle all these three jobs in all the three formats? Your frank answer will be appreciated. Nobody can help you if you are not frank. Let the board groom a new captain for the tests and you can concentrate on being WK and bastman in the tests.

Posted by Hiba.R on (December 10, 2012, 3:58 GMT)

Dhoni lacks captainship skills, he was just riding on his luck for so long, he neither had technique to bat nor the ability to motivate his team mates, the present team clearly looks like a disintegrated unit with no or little communication between the team mates. The tough decision though for BCCI but good for cricket would be to drop Dhoni not only as a captain but also a member of the side. We have new fresh faces rotting in their wait for a chance, V. Sahay can easily replace Dhoni. Tendulkar, Gambhir, Kohli are not performing too they too must be show a way...breathe some fresh air of positivity in the team.... there is lot of suffocation in the Indian dressing room, reflection of which is shown on the field.

Posted by gitapat on (December 10, 2012, 3:27 GMT)

Dhoni should be dropped from the Test side and replaced by Dinesh Karthick. Long overdue.

Posted by Prabhash1985 on (December 10, 2012, 3:26 GMT)

I think he is not running away, but he is craving for captaincy.

Posted by AjayB on (December 10, 2012, 3:12 GMT)

Couple of things to note. England has had two really great players. Cook and Pietersen. And they killed us. That is true. However what is unfathomable is the dismal failure of Indian team. We are asked not to blame the coach, or captain or the team. The fans should blame themselves!!!

My take is that Dhoni at some point of time attributed to himself a persona larger than what he really is. He probably believes he does not need players like Sehwag, VVS, Gambhir and the likes. He puts himself above these players. He has not really acknowledged their true value - at least not in the recent past.

It hurts to see Indian team lose like this, even in their own backyard. Dhoni needs to see the writing on the wall. He was a good tactician and decent batsman. I know he probably fancies himself, but he will never ever be mentioned alongside the likes of Dravid, VVS or even Sehwag-let alone Sachin. His glory is reflected - like that of the moon - he is not truly a star himself.

Posted by street_smart on (December 10, 2012, 2:53 GMT)

Dhoni, please spare this team from your captaincy & play as a player only. Go ahead & resign

Posted by   on (December 10, 2012, 2:29 GMT)

Truly if we will loose Dhoni as a Captain then we will struggle. As I don't see any replacement. Kholi is Struggling in test too and Sehwag forget about him. Now start from Start in this series: who scored runs on position 4, 5, 6, and 7 no one 3 50's from these 4 positions. Look at Ashwin's Economy rate 3.27 We need better spinner and better number 5 and 6. Kholi is playing rash Shots. he needs to Calm down a bit. Don't put whole blame on Dhoni. And I would say replacing Zaheer won't solve any problem.

Posted by Nampally on (December 10, 2012, 2:23 GMT)

@A.Sarkar17: Sir, you are right in your statement "While luck lasts the results are great but when the luck runs out you are pathetic". This applies to both the side. In Kolkatta Test, Cook was dropped at 17 by Pujara after getting both his hands on the ball. Cook scored 190 runs - i.e., after 173 "Lucky" runs! Add Gambhir carelessly running out Sehwag in the first innings & Pujara in the second innings. Sehwag & Pujara are the 2 top batsmen on which Indian battng hopes rely on. India missed at least 100 runs in these 2 run outs. Add 173 + 100= 273. If luck favoured india in these 3 cases, India would have won the Kolkatta test easily. In Mumbai Test, Ashwin missed an easy run out of Cook in the first innings by throwing the ball wide from 20 yards with Cook miles from his crease. Cook got another ton. England would never have got the first inning lead there if Cook was out! I am not defending Dhoni's captaincy but India did not get the breaks in their favour either. Call it unlucky?

Posted by Al_Bundy1 on (December 10, 2012, 2:10 GMT)

If we want to improve the Indian team, we have to do the unthinkable - drop Tendulkar!! Right now Tendulkar is the biggest burden on India's batting. If we drop him, every one will know that their position is not guaranteed. They have to perform or perish. Some will perform, some will have to be shown the door. That's the reality in any competitive sport - this is not an Indian government job where you can never get fired!

Posted by Nampally on (December 10, 2012, 2:06 GMT)

One thing Dhoni cannot deny is lack of patience + carefree attitude in the Indian Team.Gambhir threw away his wkt. flashing at a wide ball after being well set. Sehwag's dismissal in the second innings & Tendulkar's in both innings, were not off unplayable balls. Gambhir running out Sehwag in the first innings & Pujara in the second innings are errors made at School Cricket level. These type of lapses in concentration comes from carelessness. Watch Ashwin batting & learn from his patience & concentration.If only Indian batting showed his patience + will to stay at the crease, India would have scored 500 runs in the first innings of all 3 Tests with the same batting."Batting Ethics" must improve grossly. Dhoni should call meetings of his team & emphasize this point daily in no uncertain terms. That is his first duty as a Skipper. Next his field placing was inadequate to cover Cook's 4's in sweep & square cuts. With Jadeja & Chawla, the fielding will be grossly improved. Good Luck!

Posted by jimbond on (December 10, 2012, 1:58 GMT)

If companies stop giving him those fat endorsements for ads, Dhoni would become a better captain and a better player. Right now, his focus is on getting those ads, and he typically tries to reduce competition for that.

Select a team and make anyone else from the team the captain. Could be a debutant or an older man. Thats how captains from India have emerged. Remember, how an untested captaincy material like Kumble had done a great job when he was made captain. People used to say that Ganguly is not replaceable and Kumble proved that he was better.

Posted by Patrick_ on (December 10, 2012, 1:23 GMT)

It is a surprise that India's batting has failed at home. But for Pujara we would have lost the first test also. Thank God we cannot lose 4-0 now, the worst would be 3-1 :)

Posted by   on (December 10, 2012, 1:17 GMT)

lol, drop Dhoni as captain ...you got to be kidding .... who else is there to captain India???????. Does any of you think about that. These indian supporters who comment are just like the Indian selectors. No one in the current team is capable of captaining. Shewag is even worse than Dhoni. Gambir is a selfish player who plays for average. Tendulkar would not captain. None of the bowlers will. Not Aswin because he is a south indian. Maybe Kholi but he has anger issues. Dhoni took you guys to No1 in tests, won worldcups....... Just accept the fact its time to rebuild the team and no time to create more chaos by bringing in a new captain. He should remain as captain and all these other players should start to score runs. The team batsmen should score and bowlers should take wickets. Do you want him to bat and ball as well???? He is a keeper for gods sake

Posted by wonder_if_that_isright on (December 10, 2012, 0:18 GMT)

we have been listening to this type of c&b stories every time india does not perform. Dhoni is not a cricket analyst to keep talking about what went wrong to the degree it becomes boring.. He is a cricketer and if he does not perform or can't compete, he should simply learn to apologize and quit and become a cricket analyst.He better keep his motivational speech to the indian dressing room. For us, cricket fans, what matters is the spirit of playing for the nation and working hard to compete. I guess everyone understands and appreciates whoever is doing their best to compete had and may not be successful in that pursuit. Clearly that is not the story.. the story is about BCCI's incompetence to select a team that is motivated enough. we know what can money/power can breed at that level. It is not worth paying attention to these silly people. it is similar to investing our emotions into a game only to know later that it was a compromised one.

Posted by   on (December 10, 2012, 0:11 GMT)

If you are not running away from responsibility then resign from captainship as spineless Patil can never remove you,also admit your foolishness of selecting both Ashwin and Harbhajan singh for Mumbai test. Why you do not give more bowling to Yuvral singh? Now since R A JADEJA has come so goive him enough bowling in batting he will take care of himself to teach art of batting

Posted by KUL on (December 9, 2012, 23:42 GMT)

Shame on Dhoni Indian Captain who still refuses to resign after losing 10 test matches in last 11 as Captain.What else you need to resign from Job.Dhoni & Sachin both decided to ruin Indian Cricket one is not ready to leave his captaincy & another no ready to leave his place from Test Cricket after 23 yrs.Last 6 test loses from same England team in Test Cricket.Please be like Dravid or Laxman who had Self respect and left the Team for sake of youngsters but these guys are greedy for Money and their contracts with Pepsi/Coke/ etc.Shame on these two cricketers why only Zaheer,Yuvi,Bhajji sacked what Mr Dhoni & Sachin did to retain their place in team.Mr Sandeep Patil please do not afraid to take bold decisions..do not space Sachin & Dhoni who ruined Indian Cricket for so long and Dhoni should be sacked immediately.Dhoni enjoyed lot of Success when VVS,Kumble's were performing,it's time for Dhoni to say Good Buy to Test Cricket.Laxman dropped by Dhoni now it's Dhoni's turn.

Posted by CricketChat on (December 9, 2012, 22:44 GMT)

Being captain is probably the only way MS will even be in the test team. His own personal record both as wicket keeper and batsman had been very ordinary, to say the least, throughout the white washes starting with Eng tour last year.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2012, 22:28 GMT)

My first reaction to the performance of the Indian team is - outsource cricket to some other country where they can play better cricket. The problem is not Dhoni or the remaining 10. It is the basics they lack. You need much more than talent in order to perform. Not one Indian criketer has perfected a stroke. The last one who did was Dravid. It is a shame that a nation of one billion cannot excel in one sport. Like I have said before, we should have 2 test sides playing alternate test matches.

Posted by TRAM on (December 9, 2012, 22:23 GMT)

Dhoni, you had the responsibility to build the team SINCE YOU BECAME CAPTAIN. Can you tell us, what YOU did, to make the team better all these years ??? All you did was: 1. Support the old people in the team (I stopped calling them senior players) 2. Push the bowling responsibility to Zaheer/Harbajan for pace & spin respectively. 3. Not assume the fielding responsibility at all. 4. Show negative approach in match decisions, such as declarations, speed of scoring etc 5. Defensive field setup the moment a batsman hits a four. Not setting attacking field for new batsmen, etc. 6. Ignoring top performing players from first class cricket (we know you have your say in the selections). Tell us ONE THING that you did as a proof that you took that responsibility all these years. There is only one +ve quality I can say in your favor. That is you don't show much emotion on the field. That is the only desired quality you have for a captain. Lets see how long you can thrive with that one quality.

Posted by here2rock on (December 9, 2012, 21:51 GMT)

Too much talk very little action to those words. The best thing you can do is to quit and take Duncan Fletcher with you.

Posted by Alexk400 on (December 9, 2012, 21:50 GMT)

India dhoni blamed 8-0 loss on seniors and got rid of dravid , vvs laxman. He pointed the gun at sehwag for next one to get rid off . Unfortunately for him sehwag scored more runs except pujara. So dhoni run out of targets to get rid off. he can't touch sachin , so he will always blame someone except himself. Dhoni is the problem for me. Dhoni is good when we have good players surrounds him. he is a not a captain for a team that is building with new talent. I rather have kohli or gambhir lead than dhoni. If you use same guy , team gets stagnant. That is whats happening. We need new captain and new blood. We have to change team. After 8-0 its same excuse. now 2-1 it is same excuse. It is not bowlers , it is not batsman , it is captain is the issue. India have best two spinners playing and dhoni do not know how to use them. When you sugar coat thing and do not see reality this is what happens. Chop and change in every test is bad. But after 10 losses if you do not strip captaincy ...i

Posted by Mian.Invader on (December 9, 2012, 21:30 GMT)

i always thought that our selectors are the one always taking wrong decisions, and thats why Pakistan team had to suffer,but my oh my, what are these indian selectors doing, even i want manoj tiwary and rahane in team now, and why chawla? why not mishra? why not dinesh kartik or saha or partiv patel instead of dhoni? even am desperate for india's win now. dhoni was a great captain untill kirsten left. he still is a good ODI captain, but he's not a good test player nor captain. and with all due respect, SRT should retire now, he is my favourite batsman of all time, but now even am getting irritated by him, he may still make big scores but its time for him to retire with pride on his side. i truly feel for badrinath, i really like him, but poor guy didn't get the deserved opportunity. BCCI listen to us if your not listening to your own indian fans, listen to us now, bring these players we all are expecting to play for team india.

Posted by AvidCricFan on (December 9, 2012, 20:44 GMT)

India has a team that is fractured. Shewag/Gambhir seems to have their own agenda. They are performing but only marginally better than others. Besides both are suspect against quality bowling in unfriendly conditions. Kohli has failed in three matches now. However, considering him to be future of the team, he should be persisted.

BCCI is treating Tendulkar sacred. He simply has not performed in the last 10 matches and he seems to miss reading ball well whether it is spinning or moving. It is a sign of aging. He should have been dropped too.

Posted by IAS2009 on (December 9, 2012, 20:28 GMT)

Selectors have to make decision for Dhoni for tests, India do not have genuine quick bowlers for flat tracks, so one have to think out of the box to get wickets, many times Dhoni has wait and see approach that at times let the opposition of the hook, many times in Aus and in England opposition was down under 100 runs with 3 wickets down and still came up with big scores. Selectors have real job on their hands now, it is hard to replace the likes of laxman, SRT and Dravid, i don't see Indian team capable of winning test matches with the bowling they have, everyone is blaming batsmen right now but bowling is to blame for the Mumbai loss, the way Cook and KP played on square turner was amazing.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2012, 20:27 GMT)

Ashwin have the correct head over his shoulder to lead a Test team like the one India have. The team needs a transition from T20 mind set to a Dravid mindset, not stupidly aggressive. We need someone who believes that the DRAW matches does exists in Test cricket. We need someone who can make the team realize the hopelessness of a situation and get themselves prepare for the immense responsibilities which comes before any of your personal morale boosting attitudes (Like Shewag eg.,) With Dhoni, his method of keeping the team morale is like facing his ass on a speeding truck and making himself (read team) believe that it is just a Bad dream. That can work in some format where the overs are very limited that the game will get over before the truck ran past you.

So, lets have reality check with the squad: Mahendra Singh Dhoni [ Images ] (capt), - See above Virender Sehwag - He is THE HERO of Dhoni's Theory. And very complacent.

Posted by crindex on (December 9, 2012, 20:18 GMT)

Dhoni cannot be blamed for team's performance. As a captain he did his job . Its the batsmen and fast bowlers who really let down India. India will not do the mistake (hopefully) of removing Dhoni from captaincy. He is the best we India has got as captain. Leadership skill of Dhoni is essential at this critical time. Good luck India. Good luck Dhoni.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2012, 20:14 GMT)

Dhoni lacks Sportsman integrity and Sportsman Spirit. He talks more like a politician. His thinking is how to manipulate pitches, umpiring, cricket balls to win the games. He lacks courage of a leader.

Posted by Klgn on (December 9, 2012, 19:44 GMT)

Here is very simple logic behind dhoni's statement. Dhoni himself knows, if he out of the captaincy...he indirectly out of the team. Because all the skills, batting, wicket keeping, bowling...he is under performer than the ranji cricket players in india. So to be inside the team, he won't drop captaincy!!! It's as simple as Unskill Politicians won't drop their Chairs otherwise they are thrown out from Party!!!

Posted by BlackLusterSoldier on (December 9, 2012, 19:19 GMT)

A captain is as good as his team. And while I would like to question his effectiveness as a test match batsman at number 7, Dhoni according to me cannot do much more as a captain if his bowlers fail to deliver continuously. Not to mention the lacklustre fielding apart from a few spurts of brilliance from Kohli and Pujara. The team as a whole is not performing well and in times like this, one tends to blame the captain. Frankly I dont think even someone like Cook would be able to captain such an attrocious bowling attack and get the required results from them.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2012, 19:19 GMT)

Come on... its time to cheer our captain who really , did many things for India s victory. including WORLD CUP. In life every one has ups and downs, when people says highly abt him when he won many matches , now the same people says he should quit captaincy , WHY DON,T U BE EQUAL, still i consider DHONI is the best captain for INDIA .... GUD LUCK... DHONI U WILL DO IT.....

Posted by mahe_28 on (December 9, 2012, 18:57 GMT)

IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ANALYZE THE FAILURE """""CORRECTLY""""". Bowlers are not able to maintain pressure against England batting. Expectation is not set properly. Ashwin Vs Swann, Panesar Vs Ojha, Zaheer Vs Anderson, Ishant Vs Finn. Understand where the problem is. They are TOP class bowlers. what is TOP class ? They will dry up runs, build pressure, bowl to fielding set up, will not try to many things, and bowls wicket taking balls atleast 3 to 4 per over and finally they are executing the PLANS ( A, B, C whatever, not planning at the ground). For the current situation, if I was in Dhoni's place, I will do the above with the SAME """TEAM""".

Posted by   on (December 9, 2012, 18:54 GMT)

Since Gambhir/Kohli is not performing well, Sehwag is not known for his captaincy, Ashwin can be given a Chance though his performance with the ball is average... He is a man with good cricket knowledge... I don't see any replacement for Dhoni better than him. If India manage to draw this series, would selectors fire Dhoni? That is the big question...

Posted by priyankpradeep on (December 9, 2012, 18:47 GMT)

the biggest problem that plagues the Indian Cricket Team is the fact that players don't know their roles. I think People need to be sat down and talked to what the Indian Cricket team needs from them and what is expected of them. Once that is clear, then application part will start coming in. And therefore the decision would be more subjective.

Posted by Playfair on (December 9, 2012, 18:37 GMT)

Come end of the England series India needs a new test captain. Gambhir, Kohli are two that come to mind. I have always had reservations about Dhoni's ability to captain the Indian team. over the last few years I have seen nothing to suggest otherwise.

Posted by Babloo3544 on (December 9, 2012, 18:22 GMT)

Not a single word about IPL from Dhoni and more surprisingly from the people who already commented on this article. Are we Indians that blind ? I guess not, we simply do not care as we do not care for almost everything except our salaries.

Posted by Ramsmtw on (December 9, 2012, 18:15 GMT)

Indian cricket has hit its lowest end ,imagine, India has lost 10 tests in the last couple of months under Dhoni. Yes 10 Test match losses in about 3 months !!! 0-4 against England in England, 0-4 against Australia in Australia and now 2 Test match losses at home and staring at rare series loss in India, when India was expected to win 4-0. Indians were considered invisible at home and now, the entire world is making fun of the Indian skeletons being very visible even in India. Dhoni has made this Indian team a joke, just take a look at the comments from foriegn journalists and cricketers, you'd realize how they pity us. He has absolutely NO credentials or skills to lead our national side and the nation understands his clout in the BCCI circles, when, even after 10 Test lossed, he repeats the I won't quit statement. People laugh at his technique and captaincy methods ; he doesn't deserve a place in the national side just because he doesn't show his emotions ! Fire Dhoni for Gods sake

Posted by aryan-is-dravid-fan on (December 9, 2012, 17:57 GMT)

Dhoni has been tested for a while now, and has failed the tests - West Indies (not chasing a target), England and Aussi whitewashes, Windies giving us a run for our money in India and now staring at a series defeat. And he has taken zero punts on players all through this time. Hasnt been able to bring the team together. Let him loose or draw this series and time to dump him.

He says in his interview that he can quit captainacy and be in the 11 - he is mistaken, he is not the best wiketkeeper test batsman in India. Saha and Kaarthik say hello!! He was lucky to inherit a stable, successful team from Ganguly/Dravid/Kumble , and he has been tested over the past year and failed miserably. Too bad the selectors and experts did not see it for about 5 series, the same goes for the coach too.

Posted by kevnssuresh on (December 9, 2012, 17:57 GMT)

@A.Sarkar17: I wudnt agree with your statement. Dhoni succeeded as captain but recently he totally failed as WKbatsman. Missed so many catches, stumpings and no aggression at all. so my recommendation to him and selectors as hv somebody captain Test team or atleast give Dhoni a break for next couple of test series's but make sure he doesn't play any form of cricket or go crazy with other things. Otherwise soon he will hv to exit out of Team India...

Posted by Manowara on (December 9, 2012, 17:42 GMT)

Hi MSD why do not you blame the pitch and the wind. yes you must find new excuses. Any way this time you are moving towards positive. Good luck India.

Posted by moniker on (December 9, 2012, 17:38 GMT)

Dhoni says "The easiest thing to do for me right now is to quit the captaincy and stay part of the side".. Lol how can he assume that he can stay part of the side? He is in only because he is the captain, else he'd have been kicked out long ago.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2012, 17:22 GMT)

If sir MSD is culprit what we have to say about the team there are many big names in the team Sehwag , Sachin, Gambhir, We have to talk about sehwag first ,he thinks he is a great batsmen and keep dhoni down alwas scores a triple ton in a first match of a series and will be out for single digit for the rest 10 matches what is needd with those 300 runs for 10 matches ,same happened in this series he scores century in first match and kept quiet for rest, he has to be scissored from the team and chance should give to younsters he is not fir on the field too, Hate all dhoni haters bye

Posted by 2.14istherunrate on (December 9, 2012, 17:13 GMT)

The most obvious problem for Dhoni is what he has no control over-the age of his best players or lack of form. he has been lucky however with how Pujara has at least minimised the effects of Dravid's departure.VVS has left, Tendulkar will soon, Kumble did a few years ago,and Bhajee has lost his powers. It's a big meal to swallow. he actually has spinners, without though the experience. Ohja is an obvious talent and Ashwin is a fast developing all-rounder. Zaheer is one in a million in India and his loss is immense.He has been second only to Mcgrath in his effectiveness in England. He has Sehwag and Gambhir to look to now,as well as Pujara. His own keeping is mediocre while his batting should do more. As a captain he has the personal charisma to do it if he wants,but he may just as easily settle for a quieter time. Kohli has been a dead loss except in the field,where basically India need 300% improvement to look like donkeys let alone compete. Outlook is definitely interesting.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2012, 17:12 GMT)

Gambhir should be the captain . we have gave enough chance to dhoni , he is not the captain of the present time , like as the other teams captains are done . who have the quality of Leading from the front , ross taylor of newzealand , alaistar cook of england , michael clark of aus , mohm. hafeez of pakistan , greame smith of south africa , these all guys are always making runs for there country and leading from the front , Finally Dhoni should be out from the test team .

Posted by Feroz9700 on (December 9, 2012, 17:05 GMT)

It would be wrong to blame Dhoni, a captain is as good as his team. The problem seems to be Indian batting especially middle order which is not contributing. They r all getting starts but someone needs to bat throughout like Cook is doing for England.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2012, 16:50 GMT)

At the moment there is no one other than M.S to lead the team in Tests.M.S has got all the potentials.but look in to the way he got out in the second inningsa frustated and dejected captain by looking at the top six.he came gave.He cant take some decisions on his own regarding the teams composition.See no captain can go to the middle and guide the batsman.He can march his boys in the fielding session ,that i think he has done well.how can a captain take responsibility for a batting collapse.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2012, 16:38 GMT)

Who cares for Test matches? Honestly speaking...it is very boring format and in few years people will be surprised to figure out that there were people who had nothing to do but watch boring cricket for 5 days!! Even ODIs have become very boring to watch for the whole day, so the future is T20, like it or not. Let us focus on more entertainment, competitiveness and professionalism side of cricket and not burden the legacy of past.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2012, 16:27 GMT)

All team India captains start getting grey hairs well b4 their times! Dhoni sports a nice salt and pepper look now. It is time for him to retire from test captaincy and lead the shorter formats. the thoughts do get muddled with all the decisions to be made. I feel he was right to allow laxman, dravid and kumble to retire. but where the selectors failed was to plan for the continuance of the team. the team has always done well when the batsmen get the runs, that is what gives confidence to the bowlers to get wickets. analyse the victories and that is what has always happened. I sincerely believe it is also now time for Sachin to retire as well. let us loose for a little more, get a transition going!!

Posted by Arrow011 on (December 9, 2012, 16:22 GMT)

Make Virat Kohli the captain & ask Dhoni to just be a wicket keeper batsman. Enough of Dhoni's test captaincy which is very bad. Remove Duncan Fletcher, replace him with Stephen Fleming.

Posted by InnocentGuy on (December 9, 2012, 16:16 GMT)

I will take a hard fought draw in the final Test. I think this might be perceived as a panic move and might even look like a failure initially, but I think it's time to make Kohli the Test captain. It would give him time to mould and build a young team.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2012, 16:09 GMT)

cudnt avoid reading a line where the Asst Editor said India had a poor World T-20. India did win 4 out of 5 matches yet got knocked out because of the so called Net Run Rate.It should rather be more number of wins and easier access to the higher level. most teams win purely by luck and not by performance. coming to this england series, there is a lot of favoritism going on in the selection of 11 players. Viru and gauti need to get serious with their opening stands otherwise either of them should drop to the middle order (preferably gauti at No 6 to solve that problem) Sachin is merely a liability in the team..vll wait till somebody shows him the door and he gets insulted/humiliated. yuvraj - never comfortable in the longer format. MSD - himself admitting his lapses in the longer format. virat kohli is to be given a longer run surely.... zaheer - hopeless and purely useless. instead Irfan pathan can be a better option and bat a bit too. surely nagpur vl b a draw and poms vl take d cup!

Posted by landl47 on (December 9, 2012, 16:08 GMT)

A lot of Indian fans won't like this, but it's true. India is going to have problems developing batsmen who can play long innings against good bowling, seamers who bowl an attacking length and line and spinners who can turn the ball when the emphasis for young players in India is smashing the ball out of the ground and bowling defensively in order to get IPL money. The standard of Indian first-class cricket has fallen alarmingly, so that even average players like Jadeja and Rahane can make bags of runs and ordinary seamers like Awana can take their wickets at low averages. We'll see how they get on if they are picked for the last test. Once the last of the old guard has gone (Zaheer is already out and Tendulkar and Sehwag aren't far away) who will India turn to for test cricket?

Posted by citizenkc on (December 9, 2012, 16:05 GMT)

The really sad thing is that even if Dhoni were sacked (which he should be), there is no one to replace him. Truly Indian cricket is in the kind of funk that is going to take major rethinking to repair. More worrying is the complete lack of resolve. Seeing Bangladesh beat WI and their determination to do so should teach the Indian team something about "taking responsibility."

Posted by   on (December 9, 2012, 15:53 GMT)

Dhoni should be dropped from test. He is not a test player at all. See Alistair Cook, Michael Clark, Graem Smith, Ross Tailor. All captains are leading from front. Even Bangladesh captain also batting very well. Dhoni is ruining the test career of Parthiv Patel & Dinesh Kartik. Both are better batsmen. He is playing every game only because of captaincy.

Posted by apusumit on (December 9, 2012, 15:49 GMT)

Ur bowling has never been extraordinary for last 20-30 years.At home we used to pile up 500/600 runs and then ur bowlers get going.That happened at ahmedabad as well .When we fail to do so like in kolkata or in mumbai ,then the real picture comes out.To add that we got poor form from Gambhir/sachin/kohli/yuvaj singh continuing. Everybody questions sehwag ,but he has won us in amhedabad, series run next to pujara. Need to see Gambhir gets going once he starts well,but he is throwing everytime in 30-40s.Hope Rahane gets a chance ,he is a classical player,has the ability to go long ...hope he gets atleast 8-10 tests to prove his talent.In bowling we need to find another Kumble but that is too hard. i think bowling will the same as always.....batsmen need to score 500/600 in familiar condition then we can see ur bowlers roaring. We are in crisis ...let us support the team one more time to level the series.

Posted by bluestar555 on (December 9, 2012, 15:46 GMT)

Dhoni, war is won by winning foriegn lands but by protecting your fort. I hope there will be company for Md.Azharuddin the only chief who could save its fort everytime without loosing a series on the home soil.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2012, 15:46 GMT)

who is that some?At the moment there is not any player who has a safe position in the team based on performance. Not like the old times when you have sauav, sachin, laxman, dravid, kumble were desrvingly part of the Team on merrits..It will take time. Dhoni is not playing well, but there is no suitable replacement

Posted by sdash on (December 9, 2012, 15:40 GMT)

dhoni should realizde tht in a team one has to perform nd his performance should be with the bat nd as a captain. he is not denying the responsibilities but not performing any of these. the bst way for him is to stay away frm cricket for a while.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2012, 15:38 GMT)

A captain is as good as the team. India, right now is a mediocre team, to be charitable. There are quite few aged (read unfit) individuals that include Tendulkar,Yuvraj and Zaheer. There are few unworthy of their selection because of bad form, that includes the trio again, and Kohli and Dhoni. Dhoni, as a captain is good in limited overs format, but as a Test captain, his strategies are at the best, questionable. Very defensive and not going for the kill. India needs a change in leadership,and in key players also. Tendulkar, Zaheer, Yuvraj and Dhoni should go. This is not being emotional, but very practical solution. They did not deserve their spots on current form. Sure, their replacements will not deliver the goods overnight, but there is no harm in trying. Also, Tendulkar ,Zaheer and Yuvraj are embarassing them selves and should let it go. They all should declare retirement with immediate effect, saving their dignity at least to an extent. Congrats to England for a good win!!

Posted by xylo on (December 9, 2012, 15:36 GMT)

I am not sure if the author is expecting Dhoni to declare that his team is weak and isn't competing. I am sure that if someone were to say that, he would be declared as a weakling. It is the leader's job to defend the team whether or not they are doing good. I agree with Dhoni's statement that the leadership qualities are tested during difficult times rather than the good ones. As for losing ODI tournaments and World T20, the loss to Bangladesh was due to you-know-who who is still getting a free ride; the other exits were beyond the team's control, and the team did compete and show a lot of intent. And, when the focus shifts on Duncan Fletcher, maybe a footnote needs to be added about lack of planning for the future by Gary Kirsten? He made sure that the best team was around until his contract expired, and left the cupboard empty for Fletcher, I would say.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2012, 15:33 GMT)

Dhoni is the best captain India has had in a long time. There's no wicketkeeper batsman who comes even close to Dhoni's average in tests and ODI. The problem is with non-performers like Sachin and Sehwag. They haven't done anything in last 1 year. Get rid of all non-performers and send a message - perform or perish. There's no shortage of talented young cricketers in India.

Posted by DerikRambo on (December 9, 2012, 15:13 GMT)

We as Indian fans are disappointed regularly these days. By any chance are any selectors reading these comments made by our fans? Dhoni is fantastic ODI/T20 caption/player but he is not fit to be in the test team leave alone him being a captain. Better get Saha/Patel/Karthick or one of the performing wicketkeepers. We need to win this last test match or it would be pride lost for Indian cricket that too at home. Sehwag said batsman need to take blame, but what rash stroke he played on 49. He was dropped in the slips before that, he was fortunate to make those extra runs. Jadeja will be in the side, n vll have 2 left arm spinners again with Ashwin. Some miracle is needed to save us from 3-1 or 2-1 defeat from here !!!

Posted by RandyOZ on (December 9, 2012, 14:30 GMT)

So we are back to the Pakistan and South Africa series never happening, it appears. England would do well to notice that they have just won a battle of the minnows, with the real top two teams just completed a compelling and much more highly skilled contest in Australia. The real English fans already know this though and are terrified about the upcoming Ashes series.

Posted by shayad on (December 9, 2012, 14:13 GMT)

In first-class avg 36.25 dhoni 40.48 d karthik 42.21 p patel 45.30 w saha All 3 is far better wkt batsman

Posted by   on (December 9, 2012, 14:08 GMT)

Everybody wants Dhoni's blood,but tell me who is gonna captain India if he is dropped??..Gambir,who himself is about to be dropped?? or Sehwag who proved in the last IPL with DD that he is highly incapable of making decisions??..pls dont tell me Virat Kohli,who has not registered one solid innings from the last 3 test.

Posted by vipravara on (December 9, 2012, 13:59 GMT)

Typical Indian mentality of banking on reputation without realizing the need for application on every occasion. As per dhoni, it is OK to lose in Australia and England but losing in India is bothering him and the 2 losses were only aberrations. Mr Dhoni-'not realizing the problem is your real problem'. That is either be due to ego or arrogance. What you need is performance on the field. You have taken it for granted that India won't lose in India. However, when England came hard at you in India you were perplexed and don't know what to say and how to defend the outcome. Instead of further messing it up, please leave teh job for others. Thanks for your services so far- a cricket lover from India.

Posted by getsetgopk on (December 9, 2012, 13:56 GMT)

And what were they thinking? A team that has been whitewashed in back to back series deserves to loose a test series regardless of the playing conditions. Personally I thought the POMs would crush them at their backyard with an other WW but you cant help the poms when they choose to field a team as if they were playing on a green top. But better late than never, they got monty and they got the result which every body was expecting, except for the one eyed India fans.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2012, 13:56 GMT)

@ Uppercut07 - Its funny u put SL along with SA and AUS,NZ recently recorded their first win in last 6 or 7 test against SL in SL..the same NZ lost against India for a 2-0 a month back..I agree to everything else u said.

Posted by no_second_chance_for_batsman on (December 9, 2012, 12:53 GMT)

Mr.Dhoni -- so much for seeing that the great VVS gets dropped. What goes around comes around ! As you yourself mentioned its very easy to lead its easy when seniors r performing...Now comes you real test !

Posted by   on (December 9, 2012, 12:52 GMT)

We can't blame Dhoni for India's defeat, if we see last ten defeats of India in all matches our whole team failed as a unit, our batting is not doing well neither bowlers are taking wicket. if dhoni withdraws his captaincy then i dont think it will be a solution because no one is there in team who can take this responsibility.

Posted by Uppercut07 on (December 9, 2012, 12:39 GMT)

this truely is amaizing!! Even hours after this article was put up, NO COMMENTS from Indian fans????

England's 2nd innings collapse shows India and England are two most OVER-HYPED teams by media in the world today. If England tours SL, SA or Pakistan they will LOOSE by huge margins and same will be true for India when they tour SL, SA or Aus.

Posted by A.Sarkar17 on (December 9, 2012, 12:28 GMT)

By his own statement Dhoni is a dismal failure as captain. It is not as if India is performing poorly in this series only. in last 1 year we were battered 4-0 twice. Our only success has been against lowly WI & NZ at home. So Dhoni hasn't been able to inspire the team with his leadership when the chips are down. Test Cricket requires greater captaincy skills unlike shorter versions where 1 or 2 stand out performances can make the difference and strategy component becomes less important. This is the problem with having a lucky captain as opposed to a good captain. While the luck lasts the results are great but when luck runs out you are pathetic. The problem with the recent string of defeats is the margins in all of them. In Eng & Aus the matches were painfully one sided. India has lost before but not with the lack of fight evident in the last year. It is time to realize that Dhoni's shelf life as captain is past the sell by date!

Posted by peeeeet on (December 9, 2012, 12:28 GMT)

Dhoni has captained a side in serious decline and failed to notice the signs and plan for them. This is the perfect time to introduce a new captain. He did great for a while, but not once during their slide has he looked like being a captain capable of pulling them back up. I guess the problem is there isn't really anyone else who coul captain the team. Gambhir and Sehwag lead the way, but there's really no one after them.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2012, 12:26 GMT)

why people keep questioning Dhoni's wicket keeping? He is the best keeper in Indian wicket keeping History. He has gotten most wickets than any including More and Kirmani. His record is best per test too. Parthiv and saha has been tried and tested and have failed. if given the free reign Dhoni the destroyer will start playing. There is no one in batting like him. Captaincy has robbed him of his care free batting. He should quite captaincy and start batting the way he has started. Taking too much responsibility is bad in long run. Lets get our Dhoom Dhoom Dhoni back for dhoni Dhamaka.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2012, 12:22 GMT)

Guys..It is expected..if you make any changes its not going to solve the issue. earlier we have Dravid,Laxman,Gangully to handle the collapse. We have to have same team of 16 and give 1-2 years. Than try to make the changes if it doesn't work. In my opinion Gambir has to go, he can't score runs outside. Its sad that even he is not scoring here.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2012, 12:21 GMT)

India needs a few changes immediately after this series if we want to see things improve. 1. MSD needs to go as India Captain. Gambhir needs to be made India Captain. 2. Stop bothering Sachin. He'll be back and then the tongues will stop wagging. 3. Get Ravi/Saurav to be in the India team director. Duncan can help as a strategist. 4. Ashwin the bowler needs to get his act together and stop experimenting. 5. Tiwary needs to be made India's No.6 as he's someone who has a good temperment to play long innings with aggression. 6. Send Ishant back to Domestic/India A and get him to bowl more over like Zak to perfect the art of fast bowling. 7. Get the injured people back on the part ASAP with continuous monitoring and manage them well. 8. Stop making excuses. Have the teeth to accept failure and work towards not repeating the same mistakes. 9. BCCI needs to sack selectors also if they aren't picking the right people. 10. MSD needs to dealt with care as he's still India's best keeper/Bat.

Posted by sephotrig on (December 9, 2012, 12:02 GMT)

Its all well and good Dhoni saying this, but face it the entire team has ran from responsibilty over the last 18 months, after the whitewashes in England and Australia was there an inquest or even an evaluation of what went wrong. No there wasn't, there where comments of wait until we play you in India, well thats failed now, the running has to stop and the players must take responsibilty.

Posted by Saim93 on (December 9, 2012, 11:58 GMT)

I think NZ and WI should come under normal opposition, they are not classified as weak teams!

Posted by Ayush_Chauhan on (December 9, 2012, 11:52 GMT)

@ kanthreddy agreed...That's what I think too...but a lot of people out there...just don't see it that way.

Posted by Ayush_Chauhan on (December 9, 2012, 11:49 GMT)

I know a lot of people would look upon it as being arrogant, but the fact that Dhoni said what he did means a lot. The selectors need to back him...until they have a Captain ready to go and take his place....Gambhir or Kohli from the looks of it but you never know. I remember Ponting being in the same spot a few years ago.

Posted by B.R.K on (December 9, 2012, 11:46 GMT)

well said dhoni ! coming back and winning in nagpur would put an end to all this. resurence need of the hour !

Posted by   on (December 9, 2012, 11:42 GMT)

There is no reason for blaming dhoni alone!!!!!!He is a legend as always..The best captain & wicket keeper in the world till now.We true indian fans always support you..All the best Indian Team for the Nagpur Test.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2012, 11:37 GMT)

Dhoni's captaincy is like gambling and that does not work in Test Matches, it requires meticulous planning and he is never a thinking, methodical captain, he relies on his instincts. More over there was no exit plan in place to replace those two Great Batsman Dravid and Laxman. BCCI should wake up and replace Dhoni as captain for Tests - Mohan Raju

Posted by MustafaBinhydra on (December 9, 2012, 11:34 GMT)

its high time we need drastic changes in the team, indian players are not the best to retire on time very understand able big money involved, build a team now Ranahe, Pujara,Kholi,rohit,dinda,yadav are still young if selectors wait for these senior player to retire the younger players will be +30 by then. Dhoni should be no way a test captain by any mean.Good Luck india.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2012, 11:31 GMT)

i dont know why the indian selectors are playing dhoni in the team as a captain and they are giving him a chance.... enough is enough... he is not a good batsmen in test we all know,bring jadeja,wriddhiman saha,badrinath in the squad. Now,he should leave the captaincy and the place in the test cricket.

he questioned the ability of GANGULY,VVS LAXMAN,GAMBHIR,SEHWAG and SACHIN now what about him.

Posted by PhaniBhaskar24 on (December 9, 2012, 11:17 GMT)

Dhoni -- I really like the way you play mind games...you are one, who really stressed upon left arm spinners in IPL & really made the difference..but at this junture, pls don't play mind games with your own people ( with indians..)..what is there to shy away from responsibilties, if you are not doing the basics correct..if you have said the same after 8-0 drubbing & then showed us results now, may be we can back you up..its high time, take a break, refresh your mind ( this is not shying away from responsibilites), focus on your batting..once back to peak..see what happens ( you as captain,India are No.1 in tests..nothing to be proven now)

Posted by   on (December 9, 2012, 11:03 GMT)

Lack of fast bowling all rounders ---------------------

After Kapil Dev only Prabhakar fitted the role for sometime as all rounder in both ODI and Test Match.

Some fast bowling all rounders such as Robin Singh and Agarkar made impact only in ODI's. But not in Test Matches

Other fast bowling all rounders who made it to team but did not make impact are Laxmi Ratan Shukla, Reetinder Singh Sodhi, Sanjay Bangar and Jai Prakash Yadav. They are considered as failures.

After Prabhkar , only Irfan Pathan had success in both test and ODI's as fast bowling all rounder.

Bhuvneshwar Kumar is now included in T-20's. He was the best fast bowling all rounder in India after Irfan Pathan. He is only in the team because Irfan Pathan is injured. Stuart Binny is the other one in the reckoning, who is currently performing well in domestic cricket.

Spinning all rounders - Ashwin is ready to take the No.6 spot in tests. Chawla is also an spinning all rounder. In the next match the team should be

1.

Posted by akashchandran on (December 9, 2012, 10:51 GMT)

Dhoni as a captain is not producing the required results in Tests. As a Test batsman he is not showing enough consistency for a long time. So it is upto the selectors to take a call before the Australia series. Even if he is stripped of the captaincy he should be given oppurtunity in at least the first two Tests in the series to get back his batting form. But in ODIs and 20-20s Dhoni should certainly continue to be captain since the results are not that bad and his own form is also good.

Posted by sherishahmir on (December 9, 2012, 10:41 GMT)

Understandably the Indian team is also under transformation phase after loosing their senior players,i.e Dravid, VVS, Ganguly, Kumble, Sachin is also near to finish his remarkable career sooner.Yuvraj does nt look compatible for test cricket.Definitely, team needs some time to adjust and also talented youngster who r knocking for selection in the team. Eng come back in series is remarkable after loosing 1st match, now looking as eventual series winner with 3-1, the way they rouse and confidence, attitude they r having is tremendous.Whatever said above by MS is true about responsibility and role of coach as 11 players have to perform on ground and role of coach on field is almost negligible.Players should take the responsibility and still have the chance to level the series by playing with the best of their abilities to gain some pride of their fans.

Posted by VillageBlacksmith on (December 9, 2012, 10:41 GMT)

dhoni spouting the company line... it is beyond belief that he suggests khan is fit... all the indian players look overweight and unfit... i guess bowling a few 4 over spells as ''training'' in hit and giggles is now coming back to haunt them... and take a look at the size of sehwag... they are all making s patel look like twiggy ... a major overhaul required, but probably too many snouts in the trough

Posted by WAKE_UP_CALL on (December 9, 2012, 10:38 GMT)

the worse case scenario is when people are talking about gambhir being the next captain.chills of fear spread up and down the spine when a rubbish ,selfish player like him is seen as next option.just 40 or 60 shouldn't make a player secure his place in test side.especially after the two run outs which were the turning point in both the test innings of india.every commentator expressed his tentative way of batting and offering catches behind the wicket from past two years.by next series come what may virat kohli should be made captain for aus series which will make him look leading from the front by his fielding and with the load of potential and talent he will certainly come good in test side.india need a good support staff such as kumble as a spinning coach and ganguly being the next coach of india who can atleast converse properly with the indian players and who has a nack of picking impact players and inject the adrenaline to do well in all conditions.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2012, 10:33 GMT)

Dhoni should be sacked as captain of the Test team. The captaincy should go to Sehwag instead.

Posted by WAKE_UP_CALL on (December 9, 2012, 10:30 GMT)

"As a leader this is a challenge thrown at me," Dhoni ."we should not be in a hurry to make changes" vice president BCCI rajiv shukla.Its been 18 months since the decline started to become the most ordinary test side in world cricket today and mr dhoni and mr shukla are still waiting for further challenges and asking to be patient.there is michael clarke .alistair cook,graeme smith and even recently ross taylor who led from front to lead their sides and not cribbed about pitch conditions.the worse is that dhoni doesnt want to run away from this situation because he thinks that the team needs him.HELLO there are far better wicket keeper batsman in india who will easily make him sit outside test team.

Posted by getsetgopk on (December 9, 2012, 10:29 GMT)

Dhoni must have a PhD in excuse making as does most of the India fans.

Posted by vathabivaranan on (December 9, 2012, 10:13 GMT)

The spirit of Dhoni is very appreciative. But, Duncan Fletcher before started coaching Indian Team, coached England Team and England did not do well when he was the coach for them. After Andy took over as Coach, England started doing very well. Similarly During Gary(south african) being the coach, India performed well. So also when Gary took over as Coach for South Africa, their performance raised ti sky high. Why our cricket board did not learn this simple fact of getting a right person to at least maintain the good work done by Gary and instead, went on appoint a deflated Flectcher. At least the Cricket Board should bear in mind while selecting and appointing Coaches for Indian team.

Posted by Nutcutlet on (December 9, 2012, 10:12 GMT)

Dear Fans of Indian Cricket, I'd like to begin by saying bad luck, but luck doesn't come into it, as I think you'll agree. The purpose of this letter is very definitely an attempt to understand your pain, not to gloat. To do this, I try to walk in yr shoes. After all, Eng & defeat are no strangers, so I may have some points you may care to consider. I think that there are three strands to yr current situation: (1) the team overall do not cut a sharp image. They're not fit. They wilt. Indian fielding & running between wks is not internat standard in 2012. Even a team that isn't firing on all cylinders can look the business if fitness standards are high. Kohli alone looks the part (2) Deference. In India preceived stars are exalted above team level. No one is bigger than his team, really! (3) Your IPL shoud have been a fun side show to yr national Test team. Now it's the tail wagging the dog & the skills needed for T20 are in direct conflict to those for Test success.Which do you want?

Posted by the_sport on (December 9, 2012, 9:58 GMT)

1. "excellent technical knowledge about our batting": does Dhoni show any technicality? 2. Ganguly did it after 2-3 Indian players sentenced in match-fixing including former captain. Ganguly had to face such tough time since beginning. Dhoni got good players over the years. So he could dance on their performances. Now couple of them left and others are failing, so FINALLY Dhoni is feeling some tough time.

Posted by jimbond on (December 9, 2012, 9:46 GMT)

yes, its mainly a matter of taking responsibility; and also the small matter of the advertisements that go to the captain and/or star of the side.

Posted by Rahulbose on (December 9, 2012, 9:43 GMT)

Dhoni should be dropped and let someone else try to rebuild the side. He was never a good test match player, only picked because of ODI and T20 performances.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2012, 9:39 GMT)

It is a well known fact that Mr.Dhoni does not pocess the required skill level to bat in test cricket that too against a formidable bowling attack. Mr.Dhoni's enthusiasm in successfully perusing the retirements of greats like Kumble, Dravid and Lakshmams... the consequence is showing off now ! THe must have quality of a leader is "flexibility" and the worst is ofcourse.. stubborness which is abundant in our captain cool ! The lack of cohesiveness in the team is the main cause of India's downfall in test cricket in recent times. Let's hope that our new selection team will give a break to Dhoni... which is due for quite some time.

Posted by Aussasinator on (December 9, 2012, 9:37 GMT)

Basically a couple of things need to be done if there is an intention to progress : 1. Identify 4 fast bowlers apart from Umesh Yadav, keep a Wasim Akram as bowling coach and use those quicks in rotation so that 2 are fit and fresh always, without injury. 2. Encourage genuine spinners and tweakers of the ball rather than the economy seeking ones. The art is dying in India, as a result of which the country also is not producing batsmen who can play spin well. 3. The batting line up needs an overhaul. The test team must have Rahane, Tiwary in it while the ODI team has to urgently include Unmukt Chand right away. Maybe an Bharat Ratna would coax Tendulkar to retire immediately. He has timed out the tolerance of his ardent admirers too and has begun to look ugly both in game and mind now.

Posted by akelumw on (December 9, 2012, 9:36 GMT)

MSD says: The easiest thing to do for me right now is to quit the captaincy and stay part of the side. Well if you quit as captain now you won't be even in the playing 11 for India in Tests, let alone "stay part of the side"

MSD says:"the England, Australia series were the lows because we weren't able to compete" But this is the lowest it could get. In Australia & England u at least had alien conditions to blame to excuse yourself and challenge them "COME TO INDIA & WE'LL SHOW YOU HOW TO PLAY IN OUR CONDITIONS." But losing @ home & on ur favorite "RANK TURNERS" as convincingly as this means u couldn't go any lower. And worst of all is that the excuse of playing under alien conditions has no validity now. And challenging others "come to India & face the spin music is just a "Big Mouth Talk" now on. Surely all Indian curator's league is laughing not from their face but from somewhere else. They say: "We gave what u needed but u still lost. ANYTHING ELSE V CAN DO 4 U MR. CAPTAIN"

Posted by bhim23 on (December 9, 2012, 9:28 GMT)

dhoni u r good in odi,t20.u r not fit to be in test side.ashwin is far better than u.u cannot lead a side like this.4-0in eng 4-0 in aus and now 2straight loss in home.this is ridiculous pls retire from test or the selectors should drop him from test side.make gambhir captain and kohli vice captain let kohli develop his captaincy.

Posted by hems4cric on (December 9, 2012, 9:21 GMT)

Time to change..Well the players, selectors and the BCCI won't change, so its time for us fans to change.. we are the people who give them the revenue so we are the ones who feed them the arrogance... we need to start ignoring these guys so that they understand that whatever they are today is because they played good cricket at some point of time and when they stop doing that they lose other things as well... may be what i am saying is impractical or may be this wont happen.. because we are more happy to see one player getting a hundred than seeing the team win..may be its time to get our priorities right before we ask players to get theirs...

Posted by luvcricket_new_gen on (December 9, 2012, 9:15 GMT)

Good to hear such positive statements from dhoni, would be a great turnaround if we manage to pull a win in nagpur. we have done before under dhoni. good luck India, try ur best

Posted by salahkar on (December 9, 2012, 9:06 GMT)

dhoni is not taking his responsibilities and says m not to run from responsibilities wow..................

Posted by CricketingStargazer on (December 9, 2012, 9:03 GMT)

Translation of Dhoni's comments: "these results are not our fault. We were doing fine until Duncan Fletcher became coach. Don't blame the players, blame the coach". Those of us who remember Duncan Fletcher in England wondered whether or not India were ready for his methods and suspected that it would not be a success. Fletcher's methods need discipline and some humility to work and that does not sit well with India's star-based system.

Posted by wiinners on (December 9, 2012, 8:58 GMT)

I do not believe Coach has got anything to do with team performance! Look at Bangladesh! They continuously lost under Dav Whatmore (there was a proverb at that time "What more Whatmore can do?!" From Jemmy Siddons, when they got some quality players like Shakib, Tamim, Mahmudullah and Mushfiq they started to win few. Under Stuart Law they defeated India and Srilanka and nearly won twice against Pakistan. Pybus was brought later and left fast! Now they are under no coach as such and practicing under a coaching assistant (Jargusen), despite so, they won series against West Indies, which is now World T20 Champion. India should now invite BD, to come back to its winning habit (if they can defeat them at all!) and should more often visit BD and Pakistan! Their spinners will really be tested with subcontinental players!

Posted by GRVJPR on (December 9, 2012, 8:53 GMT)

We don't need you MS Dhobi. Someone else willl take the responsibility. Indian cricket is not a Slave of dhobi, tendulkar, zaheer khan. Select youngsters and allow them to fail then these Million dollar players

Posted by nahan on (December 9, 2012, 8:51 GMT)

Thank you very much… Mr. MSD you have led the team into Mount Everest. Sorry to say that now you and your ream plunging into deep blue sea.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2012, 8:49 GMT)

i am wid the team...but change is inevitable!!!!

Posted by cric_fan123 on (December 9, 2012, 8:40 GMT)

This is hilarious. He wants to quit and stay in the side? On what basis? He hasn't performed well for a long long time. He wont be in the side if not for the captaincy. He is the dead weight bringing down the team. Always playing one of his friends yuvraj/raina in the playing 11, neither of them being test material.Always having a defensive field to save runs.

Posted by ramab on (December 9, 2012, 8:39 GMT)

A leader has to lead from the front. A good leader is who shares the praise with others during good times, but takes the responsibility during bad times. But Dhoni is opposite - he sends others to face the press during losses and he faces them when the team wins. It is typical of leadership in this country. What else can you expect.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2012, 8:39 GMT)

Dhoni Knows that without his captaincy he won't be able to retain his place in the team purely as batsman. He is throwing last throw of his dice before selectors turns to a new captain in test cricket. Look at what best wicket keepers in the game are doing. Look at DiViliers, look at Kumar Sangakara, look at Prior and then look at Dhoni. He is shame to the ones who once hailed him as a successor to Adam Gilchrist. Co-siding with this his defensive captaincy. long live the English Cricket.

Posted by SUNDHUR on (December 9, 2012, 8:37 GMT)

Dhoni is right, the leadership role is more importnat when the team is not perforiming well. But it is also imperative in the first place that if the leadership and focus were in place the team should perform well and not as recently we did with two successive test defeats at home! I do hope Dhoni will close loose ends and come out successful at Nagpur. He can do it and he has done it in the past. Appreciating youngsters and geling as team is vital too at testing times. I was a bit surprised during the post match ceremony that neither Ravi asked Dhoni to comment on the positives of the defeat(a question he usually asks), especially the gutsy innings played by Ashwin nor Dhoni gave credit to Ashwin's exhibition of character and his right way of handling the England bowlers! Some of Ashwin's strokes(timing of sq.drive and stand&deliver pull shots) reminded the ever great VVS Laxman!

Posted by here2rock on (December 9, 2012, 8:36 GMT)

Best thing you can for India will be to quit from Test Matches. You are great for ODIs and T20s.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2012, 8:32 GMT)

Suddenly Realised that he had to lead from the front and take responsibility?????

Posted by raj60 on (December 9, 2012, 8:32 GMT)

MSD knows if he quit captaincy he will be dropped from the team. His performance is so pathetic that he is in the team because he is the captain and he is shrewd enough to know it.

Posted by Sinhaya on (December 9, 2012, 8:21 GMT)

Dhoni, maintain your responsibility of giving non stop hilarious excuses as well. Using IPL intimidation is the only reason India can beat small cricket nations like SL, WI and NZ as they cannot intimidate the rich cricket boards to play India by getting down to their knees.

Posted by Avidcricketlover on (December 9, 2012, 8:21 GMT)

The day quits the captaincy, he will be out of the test team and T20 team. He knows it ! Have some spine selectors. Looks like Sachin's been spoken to. Infact for all Sachin haters, He has been non performing only for the last 5 tests. The true non performers for the last two years are Sehwag, Gambhir, Yuvraj, Dhoni. Retain Kohli and Pujara. Move Sehwag to middle order. Sachin won't go beyond Australian series. We Indians are so weak that we cannot take failures. If there is a failure, we panic and we go all hyped up about it. Sachin will remain a legend no matter what happens here. Its better he relents now. The Form a new team around the three. It's time that an Indian supporter gets what he deserves. Put Ishant back to domestic and pack him to England counties. Get Ashwin to some athletic fitness. Make Ojha learn batting. we will soon have a team. The team is now deprived of someone to lead from the front. Kumble did it. After him, we don't have one.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2012, 8:15 GMT)

i think mr indian captain shuld be responsible for this defet..............i think he want his only friend & nighbore stay in indian team......why harbhajan singh out? why ajanka rahane not yet play a single game when your faith full 2 hero yuvraj singh & virat kholi is in poor batting..........what your responsible senior bowler did in this 3 teast......through dhoni & zaheer out its my suggestion

Posted by   on (December 9, 2012, 8:13 GMT)

Dhoni's comments are being passed as subliminal statements to the BCCI. All that is happening now is India is trying to shy away from the reality by indirectly attacking on Barmy Army!!

Posted by Budhaiya on (December 9, 2012, 8:12 GMT)

Mr. Dhoni wants to lead his side because team needs Dhoni! What is the job of a leader,to lead his side/team by setting examples.,milestones etc. What kind of examples did Dhoni set? Two back to back crushing defeats against England,two back to back crushing series rout against England & Australia. He himself has contributed nothing. Does he deserve to be in India's national cricket team? Certainly NO.On the contrary, English skipper Cook led by the front,set magnificent examples to inspire other members of his team,to boost their confidence after defeat in Motera. The result ,his men drubbed India convincingly. Essence is that Mr Dhoni should be and MUST be ousted for the betterment of Indian team.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2012, 8:10 GMT)

Solution to most problems starts with acknowledging that there is one, sadly our captain is oblivious to it, the team refused to fight in Eng and OZ saying they also win at home, now they lose at home and the skipper still talks about victories in Odi's, 2 run-outs and dropped catches reflect the mood of the team, they look disinterested, this team needs some rejuvenation, induction of Rahane and Awana shud inject some energy, Gauti might take over the captaincy and get back his fiestyness thats missing of late. Dhoni can captain in the Odi's and T20 captaincy should go to Raina. We alsoneed a tougher coach who can make the players work hard on thier fitness, Fletcher seems too soft, induction of youngsters would help the new coach (Ganguly may be) to make the players understand what's at stake.

Posted by daywiz on (December 9, 2012, 8:10 GMT)

I think the selection committee has to take control and reassess the selection completely.

For starters, its time to swap a few players for the next series.Change of captaincy, etc.

Test Squad Recommendation: Openers: Gambhir (Cpt), Rahane, Batsman Pujara, Kohli, Yuvraj, Rohit Sharma, Manoj Tiwary and finally Sehwag. As he has indicated, he should now play in a position he has preferred all his life (middle-order). Sachin can finally retire after this series, doing a good job over the years and on a semi-high, while Sehwag can provide some experience in the middle order for the time being. Wicket keeper: Saha. Dhoni shld move out of a format he is not comfortable with. Spinners: Ashwin & Ojha Quick Bowlers: Umesh Yadav, Varun Aaron,Praveen Kumar, Irfan Pathan, Sandeep Sharma ( playing for Punjab now).

Posted by   on (December 9, 2012, 8:09 GMT)

Tendulkar still has the highest test avg by any Indian in the history..............1 bad year doesn't make him a bad player if he can score at an outstanding avg of 70 & 80 in 37th & 38th years of life after disastrous 34th &35th years then no wonder he can repeat that feat at 40 &41 as well................His fitness is good. Just that he was a bit out of practice in 2012. Additionally he is still no 1 Indian test batsman on current ICC Rankings.

Posted by satanswish on (December 9, 2012, 8:06 GMT)

Shameless people don't run, they need to be sacked from their so-called 'responsibility'. If Dhoni would have really understood the meaning of responsibility, he would have quit playing Test cricket after back2back 4-0 whitewash defeats in England & Australia last year. Time to boot this overhyped Dhoni, Tendulkar, Zaheer, Yuvraj & Sehwag.

Posted by AjithSankar on (December 9, 2012, 8:05 GMT)

To quit captaincy is fine Mr. MSD, who is asking you to be a part of playing 11. How are you even justifying that?? When team performed well, you repeatedly mentioned that, performance is not just enough and leader's role is very important in such times. Contradicted the same yet again. May be you should stay as a PR manager for all the upcoming Indian captains. You are too good at this by making statements post match.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2012, 8:02 GMT)

I think Dhoni just wants to register more wins than DADA thats it . All this "Won't run away from responsibility" is nonsense.

Posted by nishantyadla on (December 9, 2012, 8:01 GMT)

Seems like a lot of us will breathe a sigh of relief only when Mr. Dhoni, or rather the Indian Team in general accepts that the golden era is now far behind us and that the team now has reached one the lowest ebbs of Indian cricket.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2012, 8:00 GMT)

I just cant believe what I just read..Excuse after excuse after excuse..Hope the selectors dont go "blind" like Dhoni..Even that possibility is slim.. Dhoni apparently lives in a parallel universe..or he is acting to be in front of the media..

Posted by Semoli on (December 9, 2012, 7:58 GMT)

Attitude sucks, take responsibility! Selectors knew seniors were retiring, they did not have a transition plan in place. They still do not for Tendulkar! Zaheer is unfit, dhoni is over extended by captioning every side he plays. Gambir and Sehwag have under performed. Yuvaraj has failed as a test batsman! Ishant's bowling lacks venom. There is no accountability...Start from scratch...Need attitude change. Perform or perish.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2012, 7:56 GMT)

English bowlers bowled with a strategy ...Indians just put the ball there........................Ashwin must always bowl from around the wicket as this brings lbw into equation & must also use carrom ball more often o put doubt in batsman's mind. He did this & was successful in 1st test.......................On flat wickets u must look for lbw & bold........Fast bowlers must bowl fast aiming for lbw & bold like Waqar, Waseem & S Aktar have done so successfully. Eng pacers did the same & were successful they were bowling at 140 & aiming for stumps more often with leg side dominant fields.................Ind must bring in Varon Aronn & Umesh yadev & do the same.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2012, 7:54 GMT)

time for Dhoni to say bye to captaincy... and Fletcher must be fired! he's the responsible for the debacle of indian team after 2011 world cup!

Posted by Gupta.Ankur on (December 9, 2012, 7:51 GMT)

I believe that Dhoni is only fooling himself and not anybody else.

Posted by Romenevans on (December 9, 2012, 7:51 GMT)

Forget about Indian team's fitness...we gotta work on our coach Duncan Fletcher's fitness. Wow he always seems to be sitting on the chair and eating something with his black glasses on and watch the match whole day long. Look at him and then look at Andy flower and Gary Kirsten!

Posted by   on (December 9, 2012, 7:49 GMT)

My team for last test :

1) Rahane 2) S Dhawan 3) Pujara 4) Kohli (C) 5)Yuvi/Bhadri 6) Tiwari/Jadeja 7) Saha/D Karthik (W) 8) Aswin 9) Dinda 10) Ishanth 11) Ojha .

We are losing anyway why not to give chance to new players.

Posted by Romenevans on (December 9, 2012, 7:48 GMT)

Challenge? Do he even care about that? How about taking the 3 day gap as a break and ask your buddies to shop around Nagpur, just like you are used to do on every overseas tour...Ehh Dhoni? What say champ?

Posted by yamdoot30 on (December 9, 2012, 7:43 GMT)

I feel manoj tiwari should have played in calcutta instead of yuvraj..

Posted by   on (December 9, 2012, 7:43 GMT)

Well done ENG. They simply outplayed Ind in all departments. India face some serious selection issues. I think the drop catch of A.cook by pujara made the biggest difference, and it cost ind the match.

Posted by Crusader1980 on (December 9, 2012, 7:40 GMT)

Hello MSD, please understand one thing, if you quit captaincy, u wont be in the test team my friend, we have Dinesh Karthik and Wriddhiman Saha who are superior batsmen and keeper than you in the first class cricket..

Posted by prans397 on (December 9, 2012, 7:40 GMT)

drop Gambhir...Bring Wasim Jaffer back

Posted by SixoverSlips on (December 9, 2012, 7:39 GMT)

Sorry, batting is not the main problem. Bowling is a big a problem, in my opinion a much bigger problem. Right now, India's is the worst bowling side bar Bangladesh. Only Ohja is of a Test class and he would fourth bowler in a good Test side. In India, he is the no.1 bowler right now. The question on bowling has been raised for a long time? What have we produced? Who are the reserve bowlers? Who are the upcoming young bowlers? Somebody help Ishant out. The boy has great attitude, but he needs some help.

Posted by Bala74 on (December 9, 2012, 7:38 GMT)

Dear Dhoni, You have got it wrong, again! The challenge was thrown at you about 10 months ago, when your team was whitewashed twice. Instead of looking at reasons for failure, you and your team put blame on the pitch and conditions. You have failed, again. England too were whitewashed by Pakistan but they looked at themselves and found a solution to winning in sub-continent. There is a lot to learn from England, to start with, how to bowl spin and how to bat against spin.

Indian fan

Posted by aurorion on (December 9, 2012, 7:37 GMT)

"The easiest thing to do for me right now is to quit the captaincy and stay part of the side." -> Dhoni is not good enough to command a place in the side based on his playing skills: neither his wicket keeping nor his batting these days is good enough for a place in the top level. So he can quit his captaincy, he won't have to worry about doing the "easiest thing" and continuing as part of the team.

Posted by sachin_vvsfan on (December 9, 2012, 7:35 GMT)

"The easiest thing to do for me right now is to quit the captaincy and stay part of the side."

So you still want to be part of the side? on what basis your keeping hasnt been good either. And unfortunately no WK in india is not even international standard.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2012, 7:34 GMT)

We Indians always try to put blame on the person who takes responsibility... It is the whole team which failed and we have to figure out the root cause for this rather than bluntly blaming a captain or a senior....

Posted by   on (December 9, 2012, 7:33 GMT)

all senior batsmen just lost their mind in money..they want to stick to the team as they want IPL money..god save india

Posted by Min2_cric on (December 9, 2012, 7:33 GMT)

dhoni sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by   on (December 9, 2012, 7:31 GMT)

the problem is not about the defeat but the cause of concern is the way we are getting defeated..and they're not really concentrating over it...everything bowling, batting, field placing...strategies..everything pathetic...

Posted by henchart on (December 9, 2012, 7:31 GMT)

When Dhoni said- 'Won't run away from responsibility' ,he actually means,'I will cling to captaincy no matter how poor my performance behind and in front of the wicket is'.The selection committee headed by Sandip Patil is spineless to put it mildly and it has been formed to be precisely that only.

Posted by VJGS on (December 9, 2012, 7:29 GMT)

This is the thing I love about Dhoni. While he does come up with a mountain of excuses for the media, he doesn't run away from responsibilities on the field - like he showed in the WC2011 Final. But he does have to work on his footwork more if he wants a good Test career.

Posted by chetan0208 on (December 9, 2012, 7:28 GMT)

good words but he's always been politically correct speaker barring the pitch issue.its time he transforms those words on the field.

Posted by jokerbala on (December 9, 2012, 7:21 GMT)

"The easiest thing to do for me right now is to quit the captaincy and stay part of the side" . There is no way he can be in the side if he is not captain. Saha and Parthiv Patel are knocking at the doors.

Posted by kanthreddy on (December 9, 2012, 7:17 GMT)

I dont think there will be much changes for the next test except replacing Harbajan. For me Sachin and Zak must stay for atleast 6-8 months to groom youngsters. The possible changes I see is Yuvraj and Dhoni get replaced with more deserviing players.

Posted by Hammond on (December 9, 2012, 7:16 GMT)

On the way out. Start culling India you haven't got the players any more to compete at the highest level of test cricket. If even a bog average Aussie side can whitewash you, it truly is time for drastic change.

Posted by A_Vacant_Slip on (December 9, 2012, 7:14 GMT)

'Won't run away from responsibility' - that is what he say.... but what will he actually do...??? When England whipped by Pakistan - a team much stronger than India - no England player or fan went away and made excuse. They manned up and took it went away and worked worked work on their game. They went to Sri Lanka and got a creditable series draw against a team much stronger than India. The evidence is there that they have worked at their game. But India....? when they are whipped in England and in Australia they do nothing except make the excuse. Dhoni make the excuse. He do NOTHING - and he supposed to be captain. India did nothing except say "oh, it does not matter because it is not in India". So now the whippings are continuing, except this time they are IN INDIA! There is terrible complacency in India cricket - has been for many year. Now perhaps this will fracture and the bright light of cricket reality will shine in. India "responsibility", eh? We'll see....

Posted by KrizRKO on (December 9, 2012, 7:14 GMT)

Series intriguingly poised. Though 4-0 India would have been better, considering the loop-holes present, it will be too good, if we back ourselves and win the Nagpur decider, and level the series 2 apeice. Team - Viru, 'Edgy' Gambhir, Pujara, Sachin, Virat(Raina breathing under your throat), Mr. X, '3 test matches left' Dhoni, 'Lucky Escape' Ashwin, 'Chris Martyn plays the first match of a series likewise...' Zaheer, 'Thank GOD - Umesh is out' Ishant, 'Thank GOD - Ramesh Pawar is out' Ojha. Mr.X - Manoj Tiwary / Badri / Or Me if Fletch permits 3:)

Posted by Dhanvanth on (December 9, 2012, 7:12 GMT)

Hmmm...."wait n watch"! Good phrase indeed! Dhoni has never been good in tests both as a player and captain but the problem with India is that the bcci and selectors keep mum against dhoni! Hate India for this main reason:(

Posted by Cpt.Meanster on (December 9, 2012, 7:12 GMT)

I think MS Dhoni's captaincy and personal form are only PART of the plethora of problems plaguing Indian cricket. There is the issue of the 'elephant' in the room, which I am sure every body knows. Yes, Sachin's future in the team, along with a multitude of other 'stars' who have performed NIL in test cricket since the summer of 2011. Yuvraj, Gambhir, Zaheer Khan are some of the names to look at. The selectors have to be TOUGH. Losing is part of sport BUT if you cannot learn from defeats and try to rectify them, then something is SERIOUSLY wrong with the entire foundation of the sports structure. The BCCI needs to stop acting naive and look at the harsh realities facing the Indian game. Our BASIC, domestic and grass roots levels need a look in. Geoffrey Boycott was spot on in his comments following the match. Indian school cricket, and the junior levels need a culture shift. Only then the future cricketers for India can deliver consistently. It's time to part with the old traditions.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2012, 7:11 GMT)

He is a good ODI player but he was never made for tests. Ishant Sharma has a better defence and willpower to hang in there

Posted by   on (December 9, 2012, 7:10 GMT)

dhoni is a better captain in the world but the team should help him. will win in nagpur test . try to win odi 5-0 . all the best boys .

Posted by   on (December 9, 2012, 7:10 GMT)

The only thing we have to wait and watch is the Quality of Journalism from CI

Posted by Alkais on (December 9, 2012, 7:05 GMT)

Only India dont have bowlers who cannot dismiss opposition team for a score which is less than what they have scored. Pakistan has the bowling resource, who are capable of dismissing the opposition team. Its time Selectors pick 3 different teams for different format, in such a way that , the other players can work on their skills and improve. Fast bowlers should be given a plan for how to remain fit, bowl consistently. BCCI are you listening

Posted by cheenu_balaji on (December 9, 2012, 7:05 GMT)

Also, we have our support to you when you are in trouble, Dhoni. Don't worry about all the negative talks. Go ahead, concentrate well and with renewed focus do well in Nagpur. All the best to you and our Team India.

Posted by Faarhan on (December 9, 2012, 7:02 GMT)

Whatever happens , he is always a shameless captain.

Comments have now been closed for this article

TopTop
Email Feedback Print
Share
E-mail
Feedback
Print
Sidharth MongaClose
Tour Results
India v England at Dharamsala - Jan 27, 2013
England won by 7 wickets (with 16 balls remaining)
India v England at Mohali - Jan 23, 2013
India won by 5 wickets (with 15 balls remaining)
India v England at Ranchi - Jan 19, 2013
India won by 7 wickets (with 131 balls remaining)
India v England at Kochi - Jan 15, 2013
India won by 127 runs
India v England at Rajkot - Jan 11, 2013
England won by 9 runs
More results »
News | Features Last 3 days
News | Features Last 3 days