India v England, 4th Test, Nagpur, 4th day December 16, 2012

Series finally gains an edge

ESPNcricinfo presents the plays of the day from the fourth day in Nagpur
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Heated moment of the day
For the first time in the series, there was some confrontation after Jonathan Trott, on 43 with the total 123 for 3, played and missed attempting a cut off the bowling of Ishant Sharma. MS Dhoni, behind the stumps, went up for the catch immediately with Sharma soon joining in. But, after Kumar Dharmasena made it clear that he thought there had been no edge, several players - notably Dhoni and Virat Kohli - gathered round Trott and the umpire to make their displeasure known. Trott did nothing to appease Sharma by appearing to blow a kiss at him next ball. The arguing carried on for a couple of overs until a drinks break calmed tempers.

Subsequent replays and the use of Snicko suggest that Dharmasena's decision was correct but it was another example where the use of DRS may have quickly resolved the dispute. It is also somewhat ironic to note that one of the reasons the BCCI have resisted the use of DRS is because they feel it questions the authority of the umpires.

Error of the day
It would be a shame if a series that has lasted over a month and seen fine performances from individuals on both sides were to be defined by poor umpiring decisions. But, for the second time in the match, umpire Dharmasena gave Alastair Cook out incorrectly. This time Cook missed a delivery from R Ashwin by some distance but the umpire, perhaps mistaking the noise of Cook's bat hitting the ground for an outside edge, raised his finger.

Some will point that such moments are all part of the fluctuations of fate that must be accepted and that Cheteshwar Pujara was also dismissed by an umpiring error. But the fact remains that such errors could be easily be avoided with the introduction of the DRS. It is surely absurd that television audiences around the world have access to technology that umpires do not. The decision also renewed one of the great mysteries of cricket: how on earth was Dharmasena rated No.1 umpire by the ICC this year?

Decision of the day
This was not a day of bold decisions. Runs came painfully slowly for both sides and, with little in the pitch for the bowlers, the game descended into a battle of attrition. India were unable to make the progress they would have liked in the first hour - they scored 29 in just over an hour - but Dhoni did attempt to force the pace a little by declaring with his side still four runs behind. While it was a tactic that made sense in the context of the match - with five-and-a-half sessions left India needed time to bowl England out.

But it is worth noting that only two sides in the history of Test cricket have declared their first innings behind their opponents and gone on to win the game. Both matches took place in Barbados, the first in 1935, when England declared 21 behind West Indies' first innings total of just 102 but still went on to win by four wickets, with the second occasion coming in April of this year, when Australia won by three wickets despite declaring 43 behind on first innings.

Boundary of the Day
Bearing in mind the torturous rate of scoring - there were only three boundaries off the bat in the first 50 overs of the day and one of those was an edge - it was understandable that Trott's eyes should light up when presented with an unusually poor ball from Ravindra Jadeja. After the bowler lost control as he released the ball it rolled into the legside and, having been called as a no-ball, came to a halt several yards from Trott in the short-leg region. Seizing upon a rare scoring opportunity, Trott ran towards it and thrashed it to square leg boundary.

Ja-deja vu of the day
When Kevin Pietersen was dropped on two - Virender Sehwag, at slip, slow to react to an edge off the bowling of Jadeja - it appeared that India may have spurned a golden opportunity. They need not have worried: in Jadeja's next over, Pietersen, playing for non-existent turn, left a straight one and was bowled. It was an almost identical dismissal to that of Trott in England's first innings and an episode that will do little to dissuade those who believe Pietersen has a weakness against left-arm slow bowlers. It was reward for some disciplined bowling, though. While Jadeja is not the biggest spinner of a ball, he has good control and varies his pace and his angle of delivery cleverly.

George Dobell is a senior correspondent at ESPNcricinfo

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  • A_Vacant_Slip on December 17, 2012, 11:38 GMT

    @JG2704 on (December 16 2012, 17:28 PM GMT) - very funny!!! BTW after today do you still think Kohli is "mature"...??? My - this is a lively board isn't it??? Time for some home truth to be told. - nice one @Lmaotsetung - I am with you all the way!!!

  • Gloryof96 on December 17, 2012, 9:53 GMT

    Sports is taking us to dangerous grounds, administrators and governments has to react before parents start telling their children, stuff education and school, go and play sports!

  • A_Yorkshire_Lad on December 17, 2012, 9:51 GMT

    @Balaji Kumar ".... others like you with ill-judgements and bigotry entrenched firmly into the system creating an unpleasant and undemocratic environment for a casual debate " Yes , you're quite right , there are far too many such ' trolls ' here on Cricinfo posting crass , ill-judged bigoted comments. Thing is , the vast majority of them are Indian . Check out The Bengal Tiger and Inside Hedge , for starters.

  • Solid_Snake on December 17, 2012, 9:47 GMT

    England come on & giving batting to India now..England can still win this match.Even this time frame is more than enough to take all 10 wickets of India :)

  • dc_jain on December 17, 2012, 9:44 GMT

    i don't know why everybody is against only tendulkar.. can you tell which player has perfomed in this sereis

  • Gloryof96 on December 17, 2012, 8:38 GMT

    Gone are the days we just enjoyed sports in any form. Today sports has become such a big business (probably the most profitable business), all sportsmen should abide by the same guidelines as a normal citizen. An ordinary citizen who is more educated earn 1% of a sportsman. Hence, have a mandatory retirement age along with other statutes, its never too late.

    US constitution made the term of a US president a maximum 2 terms, why? till FDR it was an unwritten law that a US president shall not run after the 2nd term but unfortunately during the WWII, FDR was elected for a 3rd term due to the circumstance but the constitution was amended for a max 2 term policy. FDR was also a great president but where would have ended if FDR didnt die and the war continued?????

  • Gloryof96 on December 17, 2012, 7:50 GMT

    For Ind to recover for the long run Ind needs to restructure the BCCI priorities, then restructure the IPL, then get rid of all the grand fathers.

    This a notice to all cricket boards, if u want Test Cricket to live, here is method that might need tinkering to work. Make all T20 internationals for young and up coming players from the domestic structure and restrict the maximum age to 25 years. Players who excel in T20 should have a path to ODI and players who excel in ODI should have a path to test cricket. Its a promotion/demotion system for players instead of clubs in a league system (Domestic > T20 >< ODI >< Test Cricket. Just because a player does well in T20 should/must not walk in to a test team PERIOD

  • sk12 on December 17, 2012, 7:42 GMT

    The only reason I can think of for BCCI opposing DRS is our senior batsmen (Sachin, Sehwag?) being apprehensive, since they play with bat so close to the pads and are afraid of the LBWs even when they are well forward (which umpires normally don't give). But its funny how Srini cannot come up with a better excuse for not using DRS, simply claiming its not 100%.

  • Solid_Snake on December 17, 2012, 7:38 GMT

    Hey Ashwin come on take the wickets & help you team level the series :P Before this series you were the so called best spinner of the world.Now suddenly what happened to you..The Same Trott,Bell & all the England batsmen who are scoring piles of runs against so called best bowlers,all of them were dancing in UAE just recently in front of Ajmal & Rehman

  • Narayan.Shastri on December 17, 2012, 7:26 GMT

    Indians clearly ran out of ideas about how to get England out by fair means; so they stooped to this level of arguing with the opposition players. The Indian cricket team is clearly a classic case of "The Emperor's New Clothes">

  • A_Vacant_Slip on December 17, 2012, 11:38 GMT

    @JG2704 on (December 16 2012, 17:28 PM GMT) - very funny!!! BTW after today do you still think Kohli is "mature"...??? My - this is a lively board isn't it??? Time for some home truth to be told. - nice one @Lmaotsetung - I am with you all the way!!!

  • Gloryof96 on December 17, 2012, 9:53 GMT

    Sports is taking us to dangerous grounds, administrators and governments has to react before parents start telling their children, stuff education and school, go and play sports!

  • A_Yorkshire_Lad on December 17, 2012, 9:51 GMT

    @Balaji Kumar ".... others like you with ill-judgements and bigotry entrenched firmly into the system creating an unpleasant and undemocratic environment for a casual debate " Yes , you're quite right , there are far too many such ' trolls ' here on Cricinfo posting crass , ill-judged bigoted comments. Thing is , the vast majority of them are Indian . Check out The Bengal Tiger and Inside Hedge , for starters.

  • Solid_Snake on December 17, 2012, 9:47 GMT

    England come on & giving batting to India now..England can still win this match.Even this time frame is more than enough to take all 10 wickets of India :)

  • dc_jain on December 17, 2012, 9:44 GMT

    i don't know why everybody is against only tendulkar.. can you tell which player has perfomed in this sereis

  • Gloryof96 on December 17, 2012, 8:38 GMT

    Gone are the days we just enjoyed sports in any form. Today sports has become such a big business (probably the most profitable business), all sportsmen should abide by the same guidelines as a normal citizen. An ordinary citizen who is more educated earn 1% of a sportsman. Hence, have a mandatory retirement age along with other statutes, its never too late.

    US constitution made the term of a US president a maximum 2 terms, why? till FDR it was an unwritten law that a US president shall not run after the 2nd term but unfortunately during the WWII, FDR was elected for a 3rd term due to the circumstance but the constitution was amended for a max 2 term policy. FDR was also a great president but where would have ended if FDR didnt die and the war continued?????

  • Gloryof96 on December 17, 2012, 7:50 GMT

    For Ind to recover for the long run Ind needs to restructure the BCCI priorities, then restructure the IPL, then get rid of all the grand fathers.

    This a notice to all cricket boards, if u want Test Cricket to live, here is method that might need tinkering to work. Make all T20 internationals for young and up coming players from the domestic structure and restrict the maximum age to 25 years. Players who excel in T20 should have a path to ODI and players who excel in ODI should have a path to test cricket. Its a promotion/demotion system for players instead of clubs in a league system (Domestic > T20 >< ODI >< Test Cricket. Just because a player does well in T20 should/must not walk in to a test team PERIOD

  • sk12 on December 17, 2012, 7:42 GMT

    The only reason I can think of for BCCI opposing DRS is our senior batsmen (Sachin, Sehwag?) being apprehensive, since they play with bat so close to the pads and are afraid of the LBWs even when they are well forward (which umpires normally don't give). But its funny how Srini cannot come up with a better excuse for not using DRS, simply claiming its not 100%.

  • Solid_Snake on December 17, 2012, 7:38 GMT

    Hey Ashwin come on take the wickets & help you team level the series :P Before this series you were the so called best spinner of the world.Now suddenly what happened to you..The Same Trott,Bell & all the England batsmen who are scoring piles of runs against so called best bowlers,all of them were dancing in UAE just recently in front of Ajmal & Rehman

  • Narayan.Shastri on December 17, 2012, 7:26 GMT

    Indians clearly ran out of ideas about how to get England out by fair means; so they stooped to this level of arguing with the opposition players. The Indian cricket team is clearly a classic case of "The Emperor's New Clothes">

  • A_Vacant_Slip on December 17, 2012, 7:01 GMT

    @Chaitanya Ramachandran on (December 17 2012, 00:02 AM GMT) - well said sir ; "the poisonous culture of denial and hubris" could be a good description of plight of India cricket. Well said to you. Everyone have to remember - excuses din't win game of cricket.

  • sachin_vvsfan on December 17, 2012, 6:59 GMT

    A lot of English palyers accuse indian players of bad sportsman ship (while Trott also showed the same ) but did any one of these England fans condemn their own players attitude(esp Broad) when vvs laxman was given not out in England. And the great michael vaughn (who suffers from identity crisis) went on to suggest that laxman used grease on his bat to escape snicko. I know Laxman will hardly care about these comments but ravi shastri was right in his opinion that laxman should have taken him to the court for such disgracious comments.

    @Balaji Kumar You are spot on @Lmaotsetung is more of india hater than cricket fan. I have seen so many rubbish comments from him when india loses. Just like @BravoBravo and @kiwiRocker invade these forums whenever we lose.

    That said time to bring on DRS (but unlikely in Dhoni's & srinivasan's era) May be 3-4 years down the line

  • Gloryof96 on December 17, 2012, 6:25 GMT

    Eng can still win this match since what ever the target Eng set, Ind has to go for it or lose the series. Target could be as absurd as 300 in 20 overs, Ind cant go for a draw!

    All these people who say that Dhoni has to go, did u say that when Ind climbed to No.1 in the ICC rankings? when Ind won T20 and ICC WC's??? ....... He is still a good captain but needs to be more attacking like in my mind, Ganguly is probably the best captain Ind ever had and there again, BCCI made a mockery of a true leader!

  • elle119 on December 17, 2012, 4:41 GMT

    @ handyandy6666uk, whilst I don't completely agree with what TheBengalTiger said (re. immediate ban and other England propaganda), I do believe what Trott did in hitting that delivery to the fence, although within the rules of the game, was very unsportsmanlike. I have no problem with hitting a no-ball that's bounced multiple times for 4, if it stays on the actual pitch itself. But when you have a batsman skipping out of the crease, OFF the pitch, onto the grass, and golf clubbing the ball to the boundary, that leaves a bit of a sour taste in the mouth. No one is applauding that rubbish - bad bowling, bad batsmanship, bad cricket.

  • jmcilhinney on December 17, 2012, 2:04 GMT

    @Jose Puliampatta on (December 16 2012, 15:53 PM GMT), I've seen this sort of language before and I'm guessing that it was from you. Exactly what "barging" are you talking about? Obviously you're talking about Andy Flower but you have no evidence at all that any barging took place. You're just making that up for dramatic effect to support your flimsy argument. For all you know Flower knocked politely on the match referee's door and waited to be invited in. All we as the public know was that he asked the match referee for clarification. Can you say that that is all Dhoni et al were doing yesterday? Also, I think you'll find that there are rules that govern on-field behaviour, which is right under the eye of the live and TV audience, and what go on behind closed doors. It's rather apt that you should be talking about a goose.

  • jmcilhinney on December 17, 2012, 1:59 GMT

    @maximum6 on (December 16 2012, 16:52 PM GMT), I'm not a big fan of players trying to get under another's skin any time but, given that it's almost always bowlers or fielders who do it to batsmen, I can't really hold it against a batsman for getting their own back once in a while. If batsmen are just supposed to ignore it and maintain their concentration then a bowler should be able to do the same.

  • Lmaotsetung on December 17, 2012, 1:35 GMT

    @InsideHedge - most people know that when they reply to my posts they better back it up with facts so I went and research that ODI series. Thank god for the internet and google! Only contentious match was the 3rd ODI in Mohali. That's where all hell broke loose. Bresnan was fined for Level 1 beach ("snatching" his cap from umpire which he plead not guilty). Geeez, frustrated bowlers having a tough time, probably PO'd at himself...geez, Indian umpire...geez I guess you think what Bresnan did is the same as what Dhoni did with the finger pointing and all. KP was also fined for Level 1 breach after given out LBW but hey he's YOUR golden boy afterall. Swann did admit they were over the top and in fact that ODI series has resulted in a change of on field attitude for the team. Difference is Eng admit, learn and change...UNLIKE INDIA. We saw that in SL after Monty dropped 2 dollies.

  • WishIndiaImprove on December 17, 2012, 0:20 GMT

    What happend to Mr. Cool.... too many failures making him like this... Virat needs to get some lesson from Sachin or Dravid about how to respect others... Anyway India lost the series now what to do??? Sachin will play to complete 200 tests. Also there is no respect for him now if he retire...

    cricinfo please publish

  • on December 17, 2012, 0:02 GMT

    The bitterness and insecurity of "fans" like InsideHedge, who are just apologists for the status quo, represent one of the major problems facing Test cricket in India. Jingoistic fanboys who are willing to settle for poor results and focus their energies on trying (desperately) to find any means possible to "show up" other teams and their supporters, deserve only to be laughed at. It is ridiculous to keep dredging up incidents from previous series to justify the woeful state of Indian cricket today. There is no shame whatsoever in admitting that we have been outplayed by a superior team, and that our Test machinery needs a compete revamp; to do anything less would only reinforce the poisonous culture of denial and hubris that plagues our cricket - a culture that people like InsideHedge have perpetuated for far too long now.

  • jmcilhinney on December 16, 2012, 23:38 GMT

    @Jose Puliampatta on (December 16 2012, 15:42 PM GMT), it was a no-ball because it bounced more than once before reaching the batsman, which is the correct call. Trott was quite justified in hitting it to the boundary, although many batsman normally wouldn't. Given that scoring opportunities were so few and far between on this pitch though, I quite understand why he chose not to pass this one up. Maybe the Indian players were a bit dirty at him for doing that and that contributed to their blowing up over a perceived let-off later.

  • jmcilhinney on December 16, 2012, 23:31 GMT

    I didn't see the incident where some Indian players apparently had a go at the umpire and at Jonathan Trott but it does sound rather ugly. The fact that replays show that the correct decision was made makes those players look rather foolish and I do hope they make the appropriate apologies. That said, I do think that some England fans are going off on India without justification. The Indian team has displayed at least two very obvious cases of true sportsmanship in the not-too-distant past so implying, or outright stating, that they are an unsportsmanlike team just makes you look like the same whining foot-stamper you accuse them of being. Remember that Dhoni and the rest of the Indian team are under a great deal of pressure at the moment and maybe, just maybe, some of them would rather that the BCCI accepted DRS too and they are concerned that incorrect decisions will cost them the series. They won't but stress makes us all do things we otherwise might not.

  • on December 16, 2012, 22:09 GMT

    @Lmaosetung: I have read many 'plausible' and 'commendable' comments from other English supporters. Yours is a disgrace to all of those. You have such backward and lousy attitude towards the Indian game that it's evident from the start that you are a hater and not a cricket fan. Some of the more dignified England posters like 'NutCutlet', 'JG2704' etc are well informed and equally appreciative towards Indian cricketers. Then we have others like you with ill-judgements and bigotry entrenched firmly into the system creating an unpleasant and undemocratic environment for a casual debate. Really sad to read your comments.

  • Buggsy on December 16, 2012, 21:42 GMT

    @InsideHedge, time to face up to facts. India and their fans are incredibly poor losers and continue to sink lower game after game. They've proven time after time that they'll do anything to win, and now that their plans have backfired they're going after the umpires. It's been a few years since they had an Elite umpire fired, time for another one I guess.

  • Lmaotsetung on December 16, 2012, 21:26 GMT

    @ InsideHedge - England players yelling and screaming at each other is nothing new with Broad and Swann being the worst. However they acknowledge it and in fact Swann did mention in an interview somewhere he's trying to change that attitude and if you were an Eng fan you'd see which you are NOT! Here is the difference between the 2 countries. One admits mistakes and actually do something about it while the other does nothing but come up with excuses after excuses...and we know who the former is and who the latter is....if you want the real story of what happened in ODI series in India, what the Eng players did was nothing compared to what Samit Patel had to endured from the Indian players. Please get your facts straight.

  • A_Yorkshire_Lad on December 16, 2012, 20:14 GMT

    @insidehedge - completely serious question for you - what planet are you living on ? I've just had a quick decko at last year's E v I ODI series on cricinfo's archive ( by no means a complete item-by-item audit , i'll be the first to admit ! ) and i haven't come across much , sorry , any references to the England team's appalling , unsportsmanlike , dastardley , crowding-and-sledging-a not-out-batsmen type behaviour at all - only many , many , many comments from Indian posters who were claiming that either , a , India didn't really lose the test series and the ODI series , or , b , even if they DID actually lose the test and ODI series ( which they didn't ) , it was due to , oh , injuries to key players , somebody loosing their lucky rabbit's paw , er , er , there being a Lotto roll-over , or , c , yes they DID lose ( which they didn't ) but it didn't count anyway because India NEVER lose !! No , in such a not-match-winning-situation , they always let the opposition win !!

  • Sanjayascc52 on December 16, 2012, 20:03 GMT

    Sometimes Indian fans need to wake up and smell the coffee / masala chai, you want the team to be good but at the same time you want them to play in bygone "gentlemanly manner" if you dont like the way they play in regards to the spirit of the game or sportsmanship go and watch another sport and let a young team fight and and snarle for every run and wicket like the Kohlis of the world, better to be him than take a step back, at least he fights for the team.

  • Trickstar on December 16, 2012, 19:53 GMT

    @ InsideHedge Give it a rest and jump off your high bud, if there are blatant prejudices it's your own, who was it today going up to the umpire and raising his voice questioning the umpires call,when he didn't get a call go his way along with Kohli, what was he thinking. Then the rest of the Indian players shouting abuse at Trott as if it was his fault, they were a disgrace today. You refer back to the one day series as if it as something to with what happened today, lets hear all these incidents then, it was a heated series but at least we didn't have an incident like we had today, how can you even stick up for them. It appears to me and everyone else that you lot really do have a victim mentality, it's embarrassing. After all the weeks of disgusting posts by jingoistic Indians, who will now stoop to lie to keep face, easily the poorest losers around world cricket. Oh bless the anti Indian brigade don't make me laugh, you might want to look at posts from your own people.

  • handyandy6666uk on December 16, 2012, 19:46 GMT

    @TheBengalTiger..i have made a point at looking out for your posts on these forums,,the reason why is i like a good laugh and by jolly your posts are so funny..your cricket knowledge and observations of the test series have been so insightfull..

  • on December 16, 2012, 18:59 GMT

    well i have seen howlers from great umpires of the game as well. Even taufell. This series is particularly frustrating for the umpires because of higher demands of these indian teams. Hypocrites say no to DRS and expect every decision to be correct and tantrums. Several decisions went bad in SL-AUS series but no body cried like indian team did. They are victims of their own faults.

  • on December 16, 2012, 18:21 GMT

    Pretty pathetic behaviour and performance from this Indian side ...Time for some big time introspection and some hard decisions!

  • on December 16, 2012, 17:46 GMT

    @Jimmers Many good players play like Robots, Rahul Dravid or Shiv Chanderpaul for instance. While there is no doubt that aggression can make interesting viewing, its effectiveness depends on a number of factors. From my experience of watching cricket neither the Indians or the English seem to be good at it; it just doesn't come to them naturally. I've only ever seen the Aussies and the Proteas do it with any real success. Sledging !

  • JG2704 on December 16, 2012, 17:28 GMT

    @InsideHedge - Well made points there. Pitty they're all rubbish

  • yorkshirematt on December 16, 2012, 17:15 GMT

    Finally Kohli has exploded. I'd heard a bit about his character and expected him to be at it all series but he's been pretyy quiet up to now. hopefully Eng won't give him the chance to repeat his Adelaide outburst if he wins India the game in the 2nd inn

  • jismsc on December 16, 2012, 16:54 GMT

    I know why India is against DRS system. It is easy to threaten Umpires and players in the absence of DRS system. Dharmasena who gave Cook out twice under pressure when he could avoid it in another country having positive attitudes. Dharmasena is No. 1 umpire this year replacing Aleem Dar and Simon Taufal. It is strange and unfortunate ranking by ICC.

  • 2.14istherunrate on December 16, 2012, 16:52 GMT

    No doubt some will think blowing a kiss at Sharma is crossing the line but I think it totally appropriate. Most fast bowlers deserve a massive general big smacker, blown or delivered straight to the cheek.

  • Sanjayascc52 on December 16, 2012, 16:05 GMT

    @doubtingthomas @Lmaotsetung the Indian fans do have a point the England players were just as bad as India were today.

    Anyway I don't see what the problem is, be it England or India I like my cricket to be played with all out aggression, bring back the Ian Chappell side of the 70's, Lille and Thompson snarling at the batsman, crickets become far to sanitised. I feel the behaviour of Kohli & Dhoni was fine and as for Dhoni and Kohli being hated far and wide well I hope they are, I'd prefer my teams to be hated than liked.

    India will bounce back eventually it's only a matter of time, the England fans can be bullish at the moment they are on top and rightly so but it does make me laugh though, it's funny that they have such short memories after all before the imports came along they were rubbish.

  • on December 16, 2012, 15:55 GMT

    @doubtingthomas, sachin is not well educated either, but he conducts himself with great dignity. Rather than education, I think its empty Indian vessels making the most noise. The great ones are also humble.

  • on December 16, 2012, 15:53 GMT

    Some, love to sling mud at others, but don't like to be slung at! One way street, man, one way! Such disrespectful acts can be committed by, a Head Coach/Director of cricket (a level or two higher than Captain, or a future Captain) at the Match Referee (a level even higher than the umpires), by barging into the latter's chamber, when the match is still on!! What is sauce for the goose is not sauce for the gander!!!

  • on December 16, 2012, 15:42 GMT

    Usually, when the ball slips of the hands of the bowler, in the delivery stride, it is declared as a dead ball. Why, the so called "mystery ball" (as someone mentioned in jest) slipped out of Jadeja's hand was declared a no-ball? Another umpiring error or what? Or, the man in such an exalted position, who can decide the fate of players ( and teams) mixed up the signals for dead ball & no ball. Anything is possible with these kind of umpires!

  • on December 16, 2012, 15:36 GMT

    Did any one count the number of fielding errors/misses by Sehwag? The only, decent slip fielder, India have!

  • InsideHedge on December 16, 2012, 15:33 GMT

    @doubtingthomas: So Dhoni is hated far and wide, eh? I bet you were one of the fans who lost track of reality when India won the world cup, now that we're on the losing end of a Test series at home, suddenly he's uneducated. Perhaps, you should review your own prejudices first. I couldn't help notice that all the so-called educated Indians you list all hail from South India. Let me guess, all other regions produce dunces, right? Finally, one's education has nothing to do with how you carry yourself on a cricket field. SRT has no serious education in the strict sense of academia, I think you'll find he's of the greatest ambassadors of the game.

  • InsideHedge on December 16, 2012, 15:28 GMT

    I'd like to see CricInfo provide a match report from both team's viewpoints. That is, one from an England angle, and one from an Indian angle. In matches involving England, the reports are far too biased in England's favour. McGlashan is a known anti Indian journo while George Dobell is a big Warwickshire fan and expecting him to see anything wrong with Trott's behaviour is like asking a Catholic to denounce the Pope.

  • InsideHedge on December 16, 2012, 15:26 GMT

    The ICC takes several factors into account when rating an umpire incl match reports, esp those of the captains, and most importantly every decision made by the umpire is input into a statistical program which calculates the umpire's accuracy rate. Based on these factors, an umpire's rating is calculated. Obv, Dharamsena's two clangers in this game will go against him once this game's stats are tabulated but that doesn't mean he becomes a BAD umpire overnight. And even if DRS was available, it still would have counted against him as the decisions would most probably have been overturned. But it's too much to ask fans to consider facts before writing in with questions such as "How did Dharamsena become a #1 rated umpire?".

  • shillingsworth on December 16, 2012, 15:24 GMT

    Pietersen's weakness against left arm spin continues to fill many column inches. However the writers who regularly trot this one out never apparently stop to look at the wider picture. Despite this apparent weakness, he ended with an average just short of 50 and played the series defining innings, all against an attack in which left arm spinners featured prominently.

  • InsideHedge on December 16, 2012, 15:17 GMT

    @Bilal Cheema: You couldn't be more wrong about the Gavaskar incident. He always had the dignity to admit he made a mistake by trying to take Chauhan off the field but the reasons for his actions are nothing to do with the umpiring (which all tourists to Australia would describe as very poor) but the appalling behaviour of Lillee and to a degree, Rod Marsh. Lillee's behaviour throughout his career was shocking, he would have been banned many times had he played in the modern era. Never short of a word or two.....just ask Viv Richards or Miandad.

  • InsideHedge on December 16, 2012, 15:12 GMT

    @natty_no_goals: As a neutral, did you watch the ODI series between Ind/Eng in the subcontinent? If NOT, I suggest you refrain from accusing ppl of generating fabricated stories. Your entire post is not only unedifying but a clear case of someone unfairly venting anger. If you did see the series in question, then I suggest you review your view as a supposed neutral. There wasn't one particular instance of appalling English behaviour but several instances. Further there were two standout cases of umpire intimidation, one by Trott and another by Pieterson, the latter where you can even lip read KP cussing the umpire after he ran some 20 yards from his boundary position to confront the umpire. Now if you believe that these actions are irrelevant to the ongoing Test Match then that's a different matter altogether but don't get on your high horse and act as tho anything coming from an Indian poster is generalised muckraking. Cricinfo: Pls. publish.

  • willsrustynuts on December 16, 2012, 15:02 GMT

    No one likes a bad loser and when you lose as often as India you should be well versed in how to behave.

  • on December 16, 2012, 14:56 GMT

    @DRS-Supporters Pls see the use of DRS in AUS-SL series. It was very pathetic. I even heard the commentators go on air saying.. "Use of DRS has transgressed for what it was invented. Captains have mastered it as a tactic." It was so frequently used that by the time tail enders came all the decisions were used up. Herath suffered a very bad decision . Where was DRS to save him?

    I ask all of you to please watch all test matches with proper context and then start bitching about.

  • InsideHedge on December 16, 2012, 14:48 GMT

    So what if Snicko didn't provide anything conclusive? It is NOT 100% accurate. What we do know with absolute certainty is that TROTT claims catches that clearly bounced in front of him. He tried the same trick against West Indies in the 2011 World Cup.

  • InsideHedge on December 16, 2012, 14:46 GMT

    I see now that some Indian posters are clamouring for the sourpuss Gambhir to be the next captain. This is a guy who has been woefully out of form for the past 2 years, these same posters then write in saying we should follow the Aussie model by picking best X1 and then selecting the skipper. If that is the criteria, Gambhir can't be the captain, can he?

  • Jimmers on December 16, 2012, 14:46 GMT

    Kohli needs to settle down a bit especially if he's to be the next captain, but I like to see that bit of aggression from him - it shows the game matters to him, and I don't think you can say that for all Indian Test players. Cook is a terrific player and is more in control of his emotions etc, but almost to the point of being a robot.

  • on December 16, 2012, 14:46 GMT

    It is disappointing to see wat happened on cricket field today...there is a team who has been absolutely outclassed by England in previous 2 tests still having the guts to come up and challenge the umpire's decision and that too once it was right...cook got 2 bad ones in a row and he just walked off without saying a word...unfortunately this is part of indian culture...remember Sunil gavaskar ! he went off the ground and took the non striker with him when he didnt agree with the umpire !!! shocking !!!! some of the indian cricketers like Dravid, Ganguly, Kumble, Sachin, Azharuddin, manjarekar, laxman have been great ambassadors of the game..true gentlemen ! others like gavaskar, kapil dev, sidhu, ajay jadeja, raina, kohli, ishant, zaheer khan, sehwag, gambhir hav all been really disappointing and at times disgusting with respect to behavior on cricket field !!!! and today dhoni also entered the list !!!!

  • InsideHedge on December 16, 2012, 14:44 GMT

    The anti India brigade is out in force, worse we have the standard issue Indian poster who thinks by siding with prejudiced fans who are against India, they will somehow gain special bonus points and cookies, even a long standing love affair.

  • TheBengalTiger on December 16, 2012, 14:42 GMT

    I think its typical of England. Expect other people to live by standards that they refuse to. Their behaviour is disgusting. Hitting a pea roller for 4 is unacceptable. HE should be banned immediately

  • TheBengalTiger on December 16, 2012, 14:41 GMT

    Did anyone see jonathan trot hit a pea roller for four? disgusting sportsmanship. Should be banned immediately

  • InsideHedge on December 16, 2012, 14:35 GMT

    @natty_no_goals: Read Cricinfo staff's reports on last year's ODI series between these two teams in India. Or are these too biased in India's favour for you? Not only was the Eng players' behaviour towards their opponents and particularly the Indian umpires disgusting we even witnessed the bizarre sight of the Eng players yelling and turning on each other, namely the screaming of Jade Dernbach. It was an unedifying sight to say the least, if you believe this is acceptable and "part and parcel" of the game then don't complain about the actions of any Indian players. I for one wish we had never recalled Ian Bell at Trent Bridge, the reaction of both Bell and Morgan was arrogant to say the least by insisting they were never in the wrong.

  • InsideHedge on December 16, 2012, 14:29 GMT

    @Lmaotsetung : If you ever get past your blatant prejudices then you might be able to see things with clarity. Last year's ODI series between Indian and England was badly marred by disgraceful behaviour from England's players. This isn't the 1st time we've seen them behave poorly when on the losing end. Don't get your panties in a twist, if anyone is "polluting" it's your very prejudiced views that stink up forums like these.

  • on December 16, 2012, 13:58 GMT

    Pl understand Darmasena is also a human being and error is possible and just don't blame only him.......... First of all we should blame only our players even though they are paid heavily ( in different classes) they should justify for that. Instead blaming umpires are not fair. Also note when there are players like THE GREAT SHEWAG in the team, India can never dream of any victory either in any home series or on overseas tours. Why nobody is raising this and see his is ousted from the team.

  • on December 16, 2012, 13:38 GMT

    BCCI please do not make Kohlli as next captain. I hate personalities like Ponting, McGrath, Kohli, and Dhoni who do not respect opponents. Be gentleman like Dravid, Laxman and Sachin.

  • Lmaotsetung on December 16, 2012, 13:33 GMT

    @ jmcilhinney - even if you make DRS mandatory, India wouldn't know how to use it. They are so far behind in understanding how it works, it's no point beating a dead horse. Let them do whatever the heck they please. It's like presenting them with a bicycle telling them they'll get to their destination faster but they'd rather walk and wouldn't know how to ride a bicycle anyway. I think India has been harmed more by the lack of DRS in this series IMO but oh well....@TheBengalTiger - mind telling us which incidents where Eng misbehaved against India in 2011? I doubt you'll be able to come up with one as you are the typical sore loser indian cricket fan that pollute this site. If you wanna know about bad behavior ask Samit Patel about last year's ODI series in India.

  • kamiCric on December 16, 2012, 13:24 GMT

    Where are the ICC rules that protected the umpires from aggressive behaviour of the players. This series has seen Indian players bullying the umpires, from Dhoni showing the finger to Aleem Dar to Kohli shouting at Dharmasena. Has arrogance now been passed on to India?

  • on December 16, 2012, 13:21 GMT

    I agree "how on earth was Dharmasena rated No.1 umpire by the ICC this year" He is as good as Ashoka Desilva or may be a lil better......ICC standard is suddenly dropped from Simmon Toffel, Aleem Dar to Dharmasena....and its shame to compare Dharmasena with Simon Toffel and Aleem Dar.

  • natty_no_goals on December 16, 2012, 13:06 GMT

    @TheBengalTiger Please give us examples of "disgusting" behaviour, instead of fabricated, generalised muck raking. As a neutral, I am shocked at the puerile nature of many comments from Indian fans (and also when looking up cricket highlights on YouTube). It surely can't be representative of the country in general, but it is unedifying stuff from these keyboard warriors.

  • doubtingthomas on December 16, 2012, 12:57 GMT

    Time and again, you see the shortcomings of an inefficient education system staring your right in the face. Case in point : Dravid, Kumble, Laxman, Srinath - Excellent ambassadors of the game, admired across boundaries; Jadeja, Dhoni, Kohli, and company - Hated far and wide).

  • jismsc on December 16, 2012, 12:55 GMT

    I am not clear why India is against DRS system. I think it is easy to pressurize Umpires and test playing countries unfailrly in the absence of DRS system. I am sorry for Dharmasena who gave Cook out twice under pressure when he could avoid it in another country having positive attitudes. India cannot take the benefits of DRS system always.

  • cyberstudent on December 16, 2012, 12:53 GMT

    cant agree more : how on earth was Dharmasena rated No.1 umpire by the ICC this year? he is not eligible to stand in high profile test matches especially when the DRS is not in use. He produces shockers on regular basis.

  • indianpunter on December 16, 2012, 12:52 GMT

    BCCI bullies all and sundry outside the cricket field. The indian players do it on the pitch. Kohli, touted to be the future indian captain , has been guilty of intimidating the umpires more than once. It doesnt augur well at all. To the english cricket fans- it is their frustration that boiled over- they know well and truly that their game's up. Bravo england. and thank you ! from an Indian cricket fan. we needed this kick up the proverbial. At least now, the denial will end. Or will it?

  • on December 16, 2012, 12:43 GMT

    Punishments for India should be as follows: 1) Due to the awful pitch this venue should not see test cricket for 5 years. 2) ICC should say DRS is compulsory, if India don't agree they can leave test cricket behind. 3) Warm up games should be paid on 'typical' pitches for that country, have a good standard of opposition and contain a balanced attack. If this is not forth coming then first test match is conceded to opposition.

    That should do it.

  • SurlyCynic on December 16, 2012, 12:36 GMT

    It seems like Kohli is trying to act like Broad these days, but there is a difference between 'aggression' and pointless stroppy behaviour. Sad to see.

  • Dhanvanth on December 16, 2012, 12:34 GMT

    I am afraid kohli might become the next captain! He has a very bad attitude and he might become the next dhoni! Would like to see ashwin or gambhir as captain! Gambhir is very shrewd and sometimes temperamental! But far better than dhoni at the moment:(

  • Yoker111 on December 16, 2012, 12:32 GMT

    Kohli needs to mellow down, he is still young and has a long way to go. his aggressive non sportsmanhip qualities will only ruin his image as a gentlemen playing the gentlemens game. ICC should protect the spirit of the game and teach a lesson or two to bashers like him.

  • TheBengalTiger on December 16, 2012, 12:22 GMT

    England ae one of the worst behaved sides in the game. We all remember the series against India in England, how they behaved so badly. Its disgusting

  • jmcilhinney on December 16, 2012, 12:06 GMT

    It's time for the ICC to simply mandate DRS regardless of what the BCCI wants. I understand that umpires are human beings and that they have a difficult job and I don't support the ridiculous accusations being made by some, but the standard of umpiring this whole series has been quite poor overall. There are those who talk about England being robbed because of Cook's dismissals in this game without acknowledging Pujara's dismissal here and Cook's let-offs earlier in the series. My priority is the maximum number correct decisions being made and DRS is the best way to achieve that. Maybe if Cook had been out LBW in earlier matches India wouldn't be losing this series. I'd be prepared to live with that if it was the price of getting the calls right. The BCCI's stance that DRS is not perfect so it's not acceptable is totally preposterous. I feel sorry for those in India who do want DRS and have to live with poor decisions and the criticism of non-Indian fans.

  • Hammond on December 16, 2012, 12:00 GMT

    The most interesting attitude was the Indian commentators, talking about how "things even out" and going on and on about how Compton (who inside edged it and was still given out lbw) was "out anyway" because the ball carried to slip. These type of attitudes are obsolete. We have the technology, the fans don't understand bad decisions any more, the world has moved on. Seems as if the world has moved on from the idea of India as an international cricketing power as well. Oh well, India will always have the IPL, even if that seems shaky now too..

  • ali14pakistani on December 16, 2012, 12:00 GMT

    Don't worry, indians had come to a conclusion that they now own cricket via IPL, so should have DRS to support when they need it if the umpire does'nt!!!!! No sportsmanship!

  • Front-Foot-Lunge on December 16, 2012, 11:59 GMT

    What a shoddy display of sportsmanship by India yet again. They just cannot play the game fairly and without stamping their feet. Is Ricky Ponting secretly their coach? Kohli should be banned and India should apologise for their behavior, especially to Trott, who was correctly given not out. And why would Dhoni appeal for Cook's wicket when the replays show a mile of daylight between ball and bat? Dhoni and Kohli - the two worst sportsmen ever to have played the game for India. They join Ricky Ponting in the black book of cricketing history. Meanwhile, the team head and shoulders above minnows like Australia and India continue to stamp their authority all over the cricketing world.

  • vinodkd99 on December 16, 2012, 11:53 GMT

    Compton dismissal should have made it to this list as well. Actually caught by Kohli, but given LBW

  • Lmaotsetung on December 16, 2012, 11:52 GMT

    Looks like Kohli is in the same mould as MS Dhoni...good at whining and making excuses except he's more volatile than the current captain. I can hardly wait for him to take over the captaincy...would make for some good entertainment.

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  • Lmaotsetung on December 16, 2012, 11:52 GMT

    Looks like Kohli is in the same mould as MS Dhoni...good at whining and making excuses except he's more volatile than the current captain. I can hardly wait for him to take over the captaincy...would make for some good entertainment.

  • vinodkd99 on December 16, 2012, 11:53 GMT

    Compton dismissal should have made it to this list as well. Actually caught by Kohli, but given LBW

  • Front-Foot-Lunge on December 16, 2012, 11:59 GMT

    What a shoddy display of sportsmanship by India yet again. They just cannot play the game fairly and without stamping their feet. Is Ricky Ponting secretly their coach? Kohli should be banned and India should apologise for their behavior, especially to Trott, who was correctly given not out. And why would Dhoni appeal for Cook's wicket when the replays show a mile of daylight between ball and bat? Dhoni and Kohli - the two worst sportsmen ever to have played the game for India. They join Ricky Ponting in the black book of cricketing history. Meanwhile, the team head and shoulders above minnows like Australia and India continue to stamp their authority all over the cricketing world.

  • ali14pakistani on December 16, 2012, 12:00 GMT

    Don't worry, indians had come to a conclusion that they now own cricket via IPL, so should have DRS to support when they need it if the umpire does'nt!!!!! No sportsmanship!

  • Hammond on December 16, 2012, 12:00 GMT

    The most interesting attitude was the Indian commentators, talking about how "things even out" and going on and on about how Compton (who inside edged it and was still given out lbw) was "out anyway" because the ball carried to slip. These type of attitudes are obsolete. We have the technology, the fans don't understand bad decisions any more, the world has moved on. Seems as if the world has moved on from the idea of India as an international cricketing power as well. Oh well, India will always have the IPL, even if that seems shaky now too..

  • jmcilhinney on December 16, 2012, 12:06 GMT

    It's time for the ICC to simply mandate DRS regardless of what the BCCI wants. I understand that umpires are human beings and that they have a difficult job and I don't support the ridiculous accusations being made by some, but the standard of umpiring this whole series has been quite poor overall. There are those who talk about England being robbed because of Cook's dismissals in this game without acknowledging Pujara's dismissal here and Cook's let-offs earlier in the series. My priority is the maximum number correct decisions being made and DRS is the best way to achieve that. Maybe if Cook had been out LBW in earlier matches India wouldn't be losing this series. I'd be prepared to live with that if it was the price of getting the calls right. The BCCI's stance that DRS is not perfect so it's not acceptable is totally preposterous. I feel sorry for those in India who do want DRS and have to live with poor decisions and the criticism of non-Indian fans.

  • TheBengalTiger on December 16, 2012, 12:22 GMT

    England ae one of the worst behaved sides in the game. We all remember the series against India in England, how they behaved so badly. Its disgusting

  • Yoker111 on December 16, 2012, 12:32 GMT

    Kohli needs to mellow down, he is still young and has a long way to go. his aggressive non sportsmanhip qualities will only ruin his image as a gentlemen playing the gentlemens game. ICC should protect the spirit of the game and teach a lesson or two to bashers like him.

  • Dhanvanth on December 16, 2012, 12:34 GMT

    I am afraid kohli might become the next captain! He has a very bad attitude and he might become the next dhoni! Would like to see ashwin or gambhir as captain! Gambhir is very shrewd and sometimes temperamental! But far better than dhoni at the moment:(

  • SurlyCynic on December 16, 2012, 12:36 GMT

    It seems like Kohli is trying to act like Broad these days, but there is a difference between 'aggression' and pointless stroppy behaviour. Sad to see.