India v England, 4th Test, Nagpur, 4th day

India dissent ensures DRS issue rages on

An absence of technology available to everybody but the umpires is undermining the credibility of the sport

George Dobell in Nagpur

December 16, 2012

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Tensions grew between Jonathan Trott and the Indians, India v England, 4th Test, Nagpur, 4th day, December 16, 2012
A crucial not-out decision against Jonathan Trott did not sit well with the Indians - a decision that could have been clarified by DRS © BCCI
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A few weeks ago, N Srinivasan, the president of the BCCI gave an interview to ESPNcricinfo where he justified the India's refusal to accept DRS partially on the basis that it eroded the authority of the umpire.

"If you don't have faith in the umpire - which itself is a contradiction, as in cricket the umpire's verdict is final - if a player shows dissent you fine him," he said. "But now you're saying that I have two attempts to question the umpire's decision."

So it must have been as disturbing for him, as for everyone else, to see several members of the Indian team showing clear dissent after Jonathan Trott was given not out following an appeal for a catch at the wicket off the bowling of Ishant Sharma.

While some disappointment was understandable - it was a crucial moment in the match - the length of the questioning and complaint exceeded the acceptable. Virat Kohli, who was not in a position to have a clear view of the incident, can count himself very fortunate if he keeps his entire match fee. MS Dhoni may also want to reflect on his reaction.

It matters little that replays suggested the umpire, Kumar Dharmasena, was correct. Even if he had been wrong, his decision still had to be accepted. Just as it was when Alastair Cook was given out incorrectly for the second time in the match earlier in the day. There can be no place for surrounding an opposition player or arguing with an umpire.

There have been times in this series when England have been no better. Appeals have been prolonged far after the umpire has given his verdict and the willingness to question issues with the match referee is unsettling. The players of both teams have to realise that, whether they like it or not, they are role models. The behaviour we see on the pitch today will be mirrored in playgrounds and parks tomorrow. Their privileged position comes with responsibility.

The frustrating part of this is that it is an easily avoidable problem. Had the BCCI allowed the use of DRS in this series - as the ICC's cricket committee recommended - all such issues could be resolved in an instant. The DRS system may not be perfect: the number of reviews may be wrong; the technology may not be perfect and human error will still be a factor. But it is a step in the right direction. To refuse it on the grounds that it is not perfect is like abandoning a seat belt because it cannot be guaranteed to save you.

 
 
The final blow in an engaging encounter may well have been struck by Trott. Had he fallen early England might well have subsided as they did at The Oval and Abu Dhabi.
 

Had DRS been in place, England could have reviewed the Cook decision; India could have reviewed the Trott decision and the decision that saw Cheteshwar Pujara incorrectly dismissed earlier in the game. There would have been no need for further debate as the system would have provided a procedure for resolution. To allow television viewers around the world access to information that is denied to umpires is perverse and the fourth day of this game proved once again that it has to change. Basic errors and the subsequent frustration of players undermines the credibility of the sport.

In the close of play press conference, R Ashwin defended his team's anger by suggesting that Trott had, in some unexplained way, acted inappropriately by striking a no-ball from Ravindra Jadeja to the boundary. The delivery rolled along the floor and finished somewhere around short-leg. The Laws are clear on the issue: Trott had every right to hit the ball. When bowlers start complaining about poor balls being hit for four, you know they are struggling.

Perhaps such incidents were simply the last twitches of a team that knows the jig is up. India, who have fought valiantly in this match, need something approaching a miracle on the last day of the series to preserve their proud unbeaten home series record that stretches back to 2004. And perhaps one or two of the team know that defeat may bring a rude awakening to their world that has become all too cosy and complacent over recent years. Defeat - and the subsequent end to the culture of hubris and denial - may be the best thing that could happen to India.

The shame is that such issues overshadowed a keenly contested series. The final blow in an engaging encounter may well have been struck by Trott. Had he fallen early in this innings - and a declined leg before appeal when he had 7 might have been overturned had DRS been in place - England might well have subsided as they did at The Oval and Abu Dhabi.

But, in partnership with his admirably solid Warwickshire team-mate Ian Bell, Trott held firm. Unlike his colleagues, he took a guardedly aggressive approach - he has the highest strike-rate of any of the top seven on either side to have made more than 30 - and attacked and defended positively.

Cook, for all his excellence in this series, struggled to find the right balance. Having flourished in previous games through using his feet and the sweep, here he was almost statuesque. He faced 121 balls for his 14 runs in the match and appeared to have regressed to the approach that served England so poorly in the UAE.

India's attempts to verbally unsettle Trott backfired. Of all England's players, Trott is the least likely to crumble under such pressure. Indeed, it seems to heighten his competitive edge. He has often reserved his best for such moments: such as his debut at The Oval in 2009 or his century against Pakistan at Lord's in 2010.

By his standards, Trott has not enjoyed a great year. While his average in 2012 - 37.12 - is hardly disastrous, he has made only one century, in a losing cause in Galle, and has failed to convert several good starts. Some, including former England coach David Lloyd, were even calling for him to be dropped.

But this England side was not built on the fickle mood swings that blighted earlier teams. In Trott they have a technically sound, temperamentally solid batsman that has filled a No. 3 role that had proved problematic for years. A reminder of his qualities should hardly have been required, but this performance should have provided one.

England's work is not yet completed. But, on a pitch that remains slow and unhelpful to bowlers, England are three hours of solid batting away from clinching as impressive a series victory as any they have achieved in many, many years.

George Dobell is a senior correspondent at ESPNcricinfo

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Posted by   on (December 18, 2012, 20:32 GMT)

Well written. Have to say that the umpiring from Dharmasena was awfully poor, still wondering how he got the umpire of the year. But nevertheless, India needs to accept the DRS and make it mandatory for Test matches. Yes, 4 years ago vs SL, the DRS completely backfired on India, but now things are different. Technology has improved and better decisions are made. Our first step as a nation in a crisis is to accept the DRS, then everything else.

Posted by spinkingKK on (December 18, 2012, 12:13 GMT)

Very well written article. India's fortune in the overseas tours (even the last Australian and England tours) would have been different had they allowed the use of DRS. With the strong Batting line-up India had for so many years, India couldn't manage many series wins overseas. This was mainly because of umpiring errors. Because, out of 4-5 star batsmen India had, if at least two of them clicks in every match, they would have been very hard to beat. But, what happens was, every time they have some partnership going, one of them will be given wrongly by the umpire and thereby kills the chance of any fight back like what they achieved in Kolkatta 2001. Also, the Indian bowlers like Kumble and Agarkar suffered a lot too. So, if there was any team who should have been praying to the heavens for a system to question the umpires, it should have been India. It is very frustrating to see that very team denying themselves when such a system is available.

Posted by fguy on (December 18, 2012, 2:30 GMT)

"There have been times in this series when England have been no better" this article states. yes, but those didnt warrant a whole article by mr. George Dobell. for example i would've liked to see a whole article on how trott claimed a catch that was so obviously grassed or how anderson very deliberately shouldered pujara when he was standing at the non-strikers end. the laws were also very clear when it came to the ian bell run out that was (unnecessarily i think) withdrawn by the indians in 2011 but then the "spirit of cricket" had to take precedence but not here coz england after all is the embodiment of it. if india was in the position that ICC XI were in this match on the 5th day & had batted on as they did then the media/fans would have roundly criticised them for "killing test cricket"/"being ultra defensive/not sporty" but since it was Eng not a peep has been said about their tactics. cricinfo/dobell your bias is showing. lets see if you'll are even fair enough to publish this.

Posted by   on (December 17, 2012, 16:40 GMT)

'disturbing'? are you kidding?? take it easy George Dobell, things like these happen in cricket. don't be so sensitive... oh by the way, Trott is not a saint himself. stop complaining...

Posted by   on (December 17, 2012, 11:58 GMT)

serves india right .. these guys deserve this

Posted by HotSpotInventor on (December 17, 2012, 11:48 GMT)

Having been involved in the DRS for over 3 years now as the inventor of the Hot Spot system my gut feeling is......there is more chance of the Americans changing their gun controls laws than the BCCI changing their minds on DRS.

Posted by A_Vacant_Slip on (December 17, 2012, 11:44 GMT)

@gsingh7 on (December 17 2012, 11:10 AM GMT) Yooo! SMART MOVE! Let India abolish test cricket in India because India lose home series. Real mature thinking there dude. Bet you were not saying this when India were "world number 1" in Test cricket 18 month ago!

Posted by pom_don on (December 17, 2012, 11:37 GMT)

@ Big_Poppa_94 you say nobody gives a crap about test cricket, well lots of Indian fans did before England started this series judging by the myriad of comments on Cricinfo saying England would be thumped 4-0 & all of a sudden now we have won test cricket doesn't matter............well it does to the 'proper' fans of the game but I guess you can't comprehend the difference in skill levels to play the longer format, enjoy your synthetic cricket & if tests are of no importance to you what are you doing commenting here?

Posted by zarasochozarasamjho on (December 17, 2012, 11:21 GMT)

What does Srinivisan know about cricket? He is only the head of BCCI and probably prefers bullock carts to cars. Nothing is perfect in this world, and neither is DRS. If it is accepted, in fact embraced, by other cricketing nations, then it must be a good thing. DRS has reduced controversies dramatically. Umpires feel less pressured because even if their decisions are wrong, usually they will be immediately corrected. This does not make them bad umpires either as they have not used technology as the third umpire has, and anyone watching the game on tv can see the incident in slow motion and various angles. India needs to sort out its IPL otherwise they will no longer be considered good cricketers as limited overs cricket is not only not real cricket but also it reduces the capabilities and hence performance of stronger teams due to the various restrictions. As a Pakistani supporter, real cricket is test and first class cricket. Limited overs cricket is just a bit of fun, nothing more.

Posted by gsingh7 on (December 17, 2012, 11:10 GMT)

icc should leave out this test cricket business as no one in this age have time for 5 days, bcci should abolish all test cric in india and should only promote t20 cric also we need better curators here and not arrogant ones like at eden gardens, sack them now, bcci should use their superiority in dollars to convert in making cricket more favourable to indian fans, we indians demand more from bcci to use their resources to play more home games as its our best bet to return to summit of world cricket, now world champions need to whitewash poms to avenge this loss in odis like last time, amen

Posted by   on (December 17, 2012, 11:03 GMT)

Hah ..having seen the state of denial among Indian fans, it is little wonder why Indian cricket is destined to tread along the walk of mediocrity for at least the next decade. Equally not surprising is the utterly shameless bashing of the victorious team and ridicuclously flimsy (but hey it's Indian fans after all) defence of their 'godly' team, which would surely go ahead with business as usual.

I reckon it's the fact that Indian sports fans are used to mediocrity, and are not quite ready to return the same old domain after a brief 3 year brush with excellence

Posted by vijaytsg on (December 17, 2012, 10:58 GMT)

Congratulations to English Team, English team performances is superb , Indian team have to learn from English team. In all 4 matches only first test performance was just Avg.Observe English team performance from second test to end of the series excellent.First of all observe our team performances , dropping catches in first slip (all 4 matches )thats enough to changed the game .opening stand for India was veryyyyyyyyyy poor .

Posted by RogerC on (December 17, 2012, 10:56 GMT)

The results have nothing to do with DRS. England is very lucky to tour India at a time Indian cricket is at its lowest levels. Dhoni is the most over-worked cricketer in the world for the last 4 years as captain, wk, batsman in test, odi, T20 and IPL and he has definitely burnt out. He won a world cup and took India to number one in tests, but that energy is not sustainable forever. India needs a new captain and coach and a rebuilding process.

Posted by   on (December 17, 2012, 10:55 GMT)

BCCI's justification that DRS will cause lose of respect for umpires is ridiculous !!!!... Respect has to be earned and its basically on the right decision !!!.. No one is going to respect umpires for the wrong decisions they gave ..DRS may not be perfect but still it reduces human error and as told by others its the right direction. May BCCI stop thinking they are bigger than ICC and end up their defiant attitude and follow ICC rules . PS: I am from India

Posted by atuljain1969 on (December 17, 2012, 10:53 GMT)

Before the start of this series most of the experts and followers of game were predicting India's winning the series by 4-0 or some other margin.

But I was among the few or may be only one from this country who in one my earlier comments on cricinfo, stated that England will win this series either 2-0 or 2-1. I have been proved right, I believe so.

Let me tell u it was not speculation but was based on sound logic.

Posted by knighthunter on (December 17, 2012, 10:52 GMT)

All in all great win by england ... before the test series started there were alot of TV ads saying how India angrey ka baja bajayi ga ... after the first test they kept on showing it ... but soon after the 2nd test ... it magically VANISHED !!!! i guess the Angrey ( Englishman ) turned the tables ....

Yesterday Ashwin was backing his team ... i wonder what will the excuse be this time .... i think some where along the line of .. " if England declared 50 overs before then we would of had a chance " and " this is unsportsman like " ....

Posted by noor114 on (December 17, 2012, 10:51 GMT)

Conratulation.......ENGLAND - Simply that ENGLAD is grate touch, well done. India has to BAN - I.P.L ....I.P.L - non-sense competion which every countries Batsman know how to BAT on flat and spin bowling, also every Countries know how to bowl - like Anderson did. Please do not mix player who play such a stupid compition IPL into TEST. Theses player no way near to play TEST Cricket apart from Pujara & Ashwin. Dropp Gambhir, Dhoni, SRT, Zahir, Ishant, Yuvi also Koli. Koli is grate player of Limited Over format but not TEST. Get in Shrisant and Varun Aron as fast bowler.

Posted by 777aditya on (December 17, 2012, 10:49 GMT)

BCCI is plain stupid in not accepting DRS. They think the technology is not 100% perfect. Well, it is definitely better than umpires, who cant look at a replay and since a machine is emotionless, it takes away the human element (too many umpiring decisions in India are obtained by pressurizing the umpires by endless appeals). BCCI and Sachin are as really being very obstinate in their stance, and hence losing respect.

Posted by   on (December 17, 2012, 10:48 GMT)

It was an abject lesson for India and its skipper Dhoni. Cricket has changed for good! Newzealand winning in Sri Lanka and England trouncing India in India are two land mark results which leave a few big questions: 1. Why do you prepare spinning tracks when you don't have good spinners? 2. World over, you require Fast Bowlers to win you matches and you play 4 mediocre spinners and 1 medium pacer! 3.Are our cricketers overpaid and therefore very complacent? Mr Srinivasan should answer these questions! Well Done England! Hats off!

Posted by gsingh7 on (December 17, 2012, 10:47 GMT)

@ lillian -- last i checked both nz and aus suffered humiliating whitewashes in india , nz more recent 2-0 , aus in 2010 2-0 , so nz should look up india in test rankings

Posted by pitch_curator on (December 17, 2012, 10:47 GMT)

@ Rednwhite army -- Please dont get stuck in the colonial era. Calling Test cricket real cricket and other forms of cricket as not "real" cricket is the biggest joke I have ever heard -- and I hear it mainly from the English as they get thumped in ODI cricket. Every form of cricket is special and as far as this series is concerned India got hammered comprehensively. As they say in our country, everything goes in circles. Now English test cricket is on the ascendency and Indian test cricket is on decline. That is the reason we see a lot of the English fans on these message boards. These were the same guys who for 15 years were hiding in their in-laws basement when England was getting a hiding the world over and used to talk about their champ football team. It is a matter of time before the wheels turn around again and then you can start importing test cricketers from us. @ Lillian Thomson- Another stone age guy. Check the test match attendences and tell me which is "real" cricket.

Posted by Snick_To_Backward_Point on (December 17, 2012, 10:46 GMT)

Well, it took about 30 comments before I found it: a fair minded congratulations from an Indian fan to England. Shame the other comments from Indian fans were all flavoured with sore loser's block. Well done England. You acted graciously even in the face of inexplicable umpiring decisions, poor sportmanship from India and doctored pitches. All I can say is POOR INDIA & POOR, INDIA. Go lick your wounds in the IPL and ODI circus that means nothing to real cricket fans.

Posted by   on (December 17, 2012, 10:45 GMT)

Every country wants DRS; even the umpires and ICC. Still BCCI is reluctant to take it and ICC is keeping their head down. It shows how arrogant, foolish, one-eyed dictator they are; always trying to "bully" ICC and cricket. Congratulations England; Alistar Cook has completed his delicious "cooking". India should play more against ZMB and BNG now instead of playing better opponents.

Posted by Alok505 on (December 17, 2012, 10:42 GMT)

Time for Change Srinivasan Should resign , Sachin Should not selected ..for his past performance ... selfish .... look at his last 2 year performance

Posted by LillianThomson on (December 17, 2012, 10:40 GMT)

Fascinated to see that the BCCI called the trophy the Anthony De Mello trophy.

Looked him up, and it turns out that BCCI nobodies have been mistreating their betters in the Amarnath family for half a century.

Fascinating. But if India wants to become a top Test country again, they'd better make Jimmy Amarnath the new cricket supremo. Yesterday.

Posted by Gillyyyy on (December 17, 2012, 10:32 GMT)

@gsingh7 and @harshal desai Come on, search for some bulky excuses and avoid these lame ones. INDIA down by mighty england in a very dashing manner and now INDIA be ready for t20 and ODIs. Ask dhoni what sort of pitch he needs for those!

Posted by   on (December 17, 2012, 10:32 GMT)

All the people discussing the trott decision would have changed match but if there were DRS system Cook should have not been given out helplessly who have been in supreme form than who khows englang might have an other win

Posted by TJ099 on (December 17, 2012, 10:26 GMT)

Embrace the technology and even if you ask umpires they may also want to DRS....move with time and think about the game. Bring some new players BCCI and tap on shoulder of Tendulkar...its time to move on.

Posted by RednWhiteArmy on (December 17, 2012, 10:22 GMT)

@pitch_curator Your really scraping the barrel there, are'nt ya?

Accept it, you got taught a lesson in real cricket.

Posted by   on (December 17, 2012, 10:20 GMT)

i wish i'd saved all the indian fans comments during the whitewash in the UK, when it was all "you can't say anything unless you win in india. we will thrash you. nobody can claim to be a great side unless you win on the sub-continent", etc.

well, we have.

and how.

i wish i'd saved the comments, so i could name a few names, like an awards ceremony, but i guess I'll just have a good old read of the recriminations and blatant denial that is present in this thread already. i saw one said cook not being given out in the first test (which india won) was the reason england ended up winning the next two tests. brilliant - step forward harshal desai! you win today's head-in-the-sand award. today's a blimmin' great day. I will award myself a second cup of tea.

Posted by LillianThomson on (December 17, 2012, 10:07 GMT)

@gsingh7 I'm a New Zealander, living in Australia.

Trust me, nobody cares whether you beat England in the pyjama games coming up.

The Test series is exactly that - the TEST. And you deprived your guests of spin in the warm-up matches, then served them up spin-friendly and slow wickets.

And they still slaughtered you.

They were 2-1 up going into the final day of the series, in which you reduced them from 3 wickets down to 4 wickets down in 80 overs when you needed to bowl them out.

It's over - your team has lost a series yet again. Hope you enjoy looking up at South Africa, Australia, Pakistan and England in the Test rankings.

Posted by   on (December 17, 2012, 10:01 GMT)

The histrionics following that orchestrated appeal by Dhoni & Ishant were symptomatic of a far deeper malaise in Indian cricket: one that's taken root in the past decade or so, & that centres around an ugly sense of generic entitlement based solely on the fact that India has become the financial powerhouse of world cricket, & that's led directly to the BCCI's belief that it's acceptable to sabotage opposing teams' preparations by not allowing them meaningful practice against spin, by refusing to deploy DRS (safe in the knowledge that standing umpires, terrified that their careers might be ended by the BCCI - as Steve Bucknor's & Daryl Harper's were - will almost always favour India in marginal decision-making), by openly endorsing doctored pitches & by attempting to gag the non-Indian media. No fair-minded person likes a bully or a cheat. The Indian *team* is neither, but unfortunately it's become synonymous with its board, which is why it's now the most unpopular in world cricket.

Posted by Drew2 on (December 17, 2012, 9:58 GMT)

@Harshal Desai..........and maybe if we'd had neutra lumprires in the seventies and eighties, India might have won less tests!

Posted by Hammond on (December 17, 2012, 9:57 GMT)

In Affectionate Remembrance of INDIAN CRICKET, which died at NAGPUR on 17th DECEMBER, 2012, Deeply lamented by a large circle of sorrowing friends and acquaintances R.I.P. N.B. - The body will be cremated and the ashes taken to England, where the game was invented.

Posted by pitch_curator on (December 17, 2012, 9:50 GMT)

I like the new option in the comments column which allows us to filter on the latest, oldest or all the comments. I wish we had an option to also filter out some comments from buffoons like Front foot lunge and hammond..

Posted by dabhand on (December 17, 2012, 9:49 GMT)

@ gsingh7 - your prediction of 150 all out and India winning was a little out - 350/4, England still batting, series won to ENGLAND and now you are whining about a player playing a legal stroke - shame !

Posted by pitch_curator on (December 17, 2012, 9:41 GMT)

@ Hammond -- the last I heard cricket does not mean test cricket. There are two other versions -- One day and T20. Look up the results of India - Eng ODIs in the last 10 years and you will see that India have owned England in this format except for the last ODI series in England. The last two times England came to India for ODI's they have been beaten -- nay thumped/wallopped. So, India is exponentially better than England in Cricket. What do u say?

Posted by   on (December 17, 2012, 9:38 GMT)

If India had DRS, it could have changed the entire series. Cook should have been out plumb on 40 in the second innings of the first test. Had he been given, the legendary 176 he made wouldn't have boosted the English batsmen's confidence to perform in sub-continental conditions, and it may also have prevented Cook from performing in the 2nd and 3rd test too.

That having been said, the umpiring in this series has been terrible. DRS or no DRS, umpires have a job to do. Some absolute plumbs were given notout and shockers were given out.

Posted by t20-2007 on (December 17, 2012, 9:33 GMT)

Please bring in Greg Chapell to clean the system!!

Posted by sydneydesiguy on (December 17, 2012, 9:31 GMT)

Definetly a change is needed in Indian Cricket. Right from the management to senior players. BCCI needs to think in the interest of the country and the game itself rather then their own pockets. DRS should not be an option anymore. It should be mandatory. BCCI should wake up and change their ways of operating before the game looses its charm and passion from Indian fans.

Posted by gsingh7 on (December 17, 2012, 9:23 GMT)

trott should be made an example by icc of being unsportmanlike, cook should ask ecb to look more fast bowling options as jimmy and broad were thrashed in sc conditions, hoping world champions deliver when it matters and produce repeat of 5-0 scoreline as shown last winter in odi's , come on u blues!!

Posted by Hammond on (December 17, 2012, 9:17 GMT)

@IndiaNumeroUno- actually, sub-continental pitches kill test cricket. Nothing else.

Posted by   on (December 17, 2012, 9:14 GMT)

Amazing to note that 2012 is considered a lean year for Trott who scored 1000 runs in it. Indicates the high benchmarks set up by some countries while some other are content in celebrating an odd half-century or a 75. It definitely reflects in the results.

Posted by ShanTheFanOfSachin on (December 17, 2012, 9:11 GMT)

Thoroughly deserving series winners England! No question. I give them all credits which they richly deserve. But commentary and bias on cricinfo for the past few months have been apparent, especially this series, it has been very appalling.It has been proven that most of the medias take a side and cricinfo is no different Coming to your point on DRS. Its a bizare argument to say 'dissent by Indian players have proven the need for DRS!'. I do not even want to take up DRS topic. But does it mean that its okay if dissent is shown after 2 reviews expire?? Dissent is accepted to a certain degree,after all you do not want to take away the passion.But anything above that is not acceptable regardless of DRS or No-DRS It looks asif only certain sections of media are saviours of Cricket!Why don't anyone voice such concern with ridiculously useless D/L rules on rain affected T20s when especially there is an excellent alternative available?

Poeple can draw their conclusions on this!!

Posted by HawK89 on (December 17, 2012, 9:08 GMT)

That will teach India for not having DRS. If I were the batsmen, I'd provoke the fielding side by looking at the edge of my bat once given not out.

Posted by India_ANY_track_bully on (December 17, 2012, 9:05 GMT)

This is the reason no one watches Test cricket in India. It's boring, waste of 5 days and there is no guarantee of result. It just develops negative cricket.

Posted by baskar_guha on (December 17, 2012, 9:05 GMT)

Not a total surprise that a peaking England team has beaten a declining Indian team as far as Test cricket goes. England has its hands full with the Ashes and the fact that the South Africans are currently superior in almost every way. India needs to reassemble and try to make its ascent over the next 2-3 years. As for fans from both sides who like to take pot shots, the less we hear from you, the better it is.

Posted by Charlie101 on (December 17, 2012, 9:04 GMT)

I think the message is clear either accept the umpire's decision without complaint , do not chirp at the opposition batsman for not walking or accept the DRS .

Posted by India_ANY_track_bully on (December 17, 2012, 9:02 GMT)

http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-india-2011/content/story/525477.html

The linked article says it all... typical english behaviour. Whinge and talk about the spirit of cricket when you don't get your way LOL!

The point missed is that Kohli was having a chat with Trott not the umpire. Can you see anyone arguing with the umpire? The chat with the umpire happened when he rightly intervened. So don't try to give your biased opinions here.. not that it matters to Indian fans.

Posted by Stat1977 on (December 17, 2012, 8:59 GMT)

This behavior is not acceptable at all.Look at the way cook accepted the umpire decision and walked back.The arrogance is not up to their talent when it comes to Indians..Fans number 01, Their board number 02..here we go number 03.. the players..They think they are right and rest of the world is wrong..Utter madness!

Posted by viking_legend on (December 17, 2012, 8:57 GMT)

There is one saying that i love and its called hit the rubbish and so Trott did. Well done to him. Technology is there to improve the game so why not use it? Although we have along way to go to tweek out all the issues. I feel the third umpire should play a bigger roll

Posted by pereirapet on (December 17, 2012, 8:57 GMT)

Thanks Moppa and others. My point(s) is (are) that: there needs too be a pragmatic and face saving way for the DRS issue to be resolved. The credibility of the game depends on the umpire's credibility and empowering the Umpires is the only way to do this. The seductive nature of Hawkeye (etc) should be seen for what it is, a TV gimmick and not the gold standard for correct decisions. The available technology should be utilised for the best decision makers in the game ......the Dicky Birds. Successful and entertaining cricket is about disciplined application of skills in: batting, bowling, fielding and also taking decisions. Having credible decisions will assist with the latter.

Posted by   on (December 17, 2012, 8:57 GMT)

India should accept DRS like other Test playing nations. Batters do not walk even if they know 100% they wee out. Drs is a must.

Posted by Micgyver on (December 17, 2012, 8:52 GMT)

India deserves everything it gets. The BCCI think they are bigger then the united ICC and until this arrogance ceases to continue, India will be looked at with disdain especially in test match cricket.

Posted by Hammond on (December 17, 2012, 8:42 GMT)

Basically here is the mathematics. England and India the last 8 test matches, England won 6, India 1, and the last one is up in the air. Truly this is a case of England dominating India in every possible way. There really isn't any rebuttal one can offer, England is quite simply exponentially superior to India as a cricket side.

Posted by mylaramkrishna on (December 17, 2012, 8:39 GMT)

wow... dobell... For England its with in the rules... but for INDIANS its sportsmanship.... Great... Column... Great People.... http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-india-2011/content/story/525477.html

Posted by Cricmick on (December 17, 2012, 8:31 GMT)

Well if they don't want to yield to this system then I would suggest that all the giant LED displays should be removed or shut down for good. Cause they get offended when they see the replays in top of the line hyper slow mo's and I would say quite reliable hot spot technique. In fact don't use this technology at all when India plays test matches. Why do these producers who cover television use this in the first place when the host does not acknowledges its importance. So if it remains a mystery for them it should as well be a mystery for all the TV viewers around the world. India is being dethroned and the commentators are discussing their former might and their test wins which they couldn't have won if they had DRS in those days. Umpires being humans and are not programmed to be accurate on every occasion but technology is after all programmable and will never be biased.

Posted by   on (December 17, 2012, 8:29 GMT)

Trott hitting the NO ball slipped out of Jadeja's hand wasnt inappropriate.I witnessed so many incidents by Indian Team not foid for the spirit of the game but because they were within the Laws and the oposition batsmen were given out ONLY because it was within the Laws of the game .

Posted by   on (December 17, 2012, 8:20 GMT)

It seems strange that the whole India team could be seen laughing and joking with Trott when he hit the ground ball, until they needed something to blame for the over the top response to the Trott not out decision. Dhoni was fined in the IPL this year when he effectively tried to bully a decision when a stadium big screen showed the decision to be wrong, so its not like he doesn't have history of disrespecting the umpires. As the article says; if you don't want mis-bowled balls hit for four, don't bowl them.

Posted by   on (December 17, 2012, 7:41 GMT)

Well in the final calculation not having DRS worked in favor of India because Cook the most in form batsmen was essentially eliminated from the English bating lineup far more important the Pujara contributing 20-30 more runs. Refusal to DRS for me in concert with unsupporting wickets, adventure for a weak/uncertain team is bound to introduce further complications but may keep new talent at bay and/or unavailable. Better to learn, openup and be adventurous; this series is an example of how India fell into their own trap just as Australia did at home against the Porteas since both India and Australia are in transition they want to protect their transitional teams some protection but it can easily backfire. Just in this test England winning the toss negated any potential for Indian batsmen to benefit from a slow pitch they may have considered themselves to be more accustomed to.

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas_Atheist on (December 17, 2012, 7:40 GMT)

What a disaster for the concept of sportsmanship from Trott for following a delivery that bounced a dozen times and hit it to the boundary! Well within the rules?! Yeah right! It's a shame that people take refuge in rules to cover up their blatant disregard for sportsmanship. Didn't expect this from Trott. Contrast this to Cook, a victim of another dubious decision - started walking as soon as Dharmasena gave him out. All along his walk back to the pavilion, his head was down and was just expressing dissatisfaction and disappointment to himself. A great lesson for kids and cricketers to emulate. George and other jingoists, for once, stop lecturing us about sportsmanship when Indians act within rules and stop invading our dressing room.

Posted by sabee66 on (December 17, 2012, 7:34 GMT)

Indians might be good in IT but their players dont know how to use the technology in every test, umpires are under pressure from BCCI and they give decisions in India s favour and last time they made them disputed Number 1 even... now , they are exposed

Posted by   on (December 17, 2012, 7:13 GMT)

ICC can simply ban India from playing test matches if they don't use DRS. Its not as if many ppl watch India's awesome fighting of test matches. BCCI, Dhoni etc can all go and play IPL and we all live happily ever after ;)

Posted by Samdanh on (December 17, 2012, 7:11 GMT)

The trio's behaviour can be best described as frustrations arising out of their own inability to prise out Eng wickets. On their dissent over turned down appeal for a caught behind, they better fall in line for DRS or shut up. is it ok for them when someone like Cook is given out incorrectly twice in a Test match? Imagine it could have been 250+ for 2 by 5th day afternoon for Eng had Cook not been given out. Further snicko later have also shown that there was no nick. Aimless obstinacy on DRS could one day cost India dearly. Unless it happens Dhoni & co would be believing that incessant appeals by their bowlers supported by 40,000 fans would turn more decisions against their opponents than what DRS might help with reviews. Cricinfo, please publish. Thank you

Posted by disco_bob on (December 17, 2012, 7:11 GMT)

This is such an easy problem to solve. No players get to review any decisions. Period. But the umpire is not only given discretion to use the DRS himself in conjunction with the 3rd umpire but he actively encourage to if he has ANY doubt at all. But oh dear that might put a bit more pressure on our precious umpires because if they choose not to use their discretion then they are implicitly stating that indeed they have NO DOUBT AT ALL, which could be a trifle embarrassing. But something has got to give.

Posted by Indiannns on (December 17, 2012, 7:10 GMT)

"The Laws are clear on the issue: Trott had every right to hit the ball." But if an Indian player tries to runout (mankading) a non striker who is trying take undue advantage by leaving the crease before the ball is bowled that is unsportsmanship. Is that not in the rules of cricket? Then all hell breaks loose. Then every tom,dick n harry will come up with spirit of the game arguement. Then you should not give the non striker out if a straight drive hits the stump after touching the bowler's finger tips.Non asian country players can sledge,cheat and they call it aggression. What about Trott claiming a catch that clearly bounced off his hands and he tried to hide it by falling over the ball and scooping the ball back from the ground. That's what an English/SouthAfrican gentleman should do.

Posted by symsun on (December 17, 2012, 6:49 GMT)

I don't think even if India could lose this match, BCCI would have the guts to thrash Sachin / Sehwag. Sachin & Sehwag, once the proud for the nation becoming shame for the nation. They are setting a bad attitude to the next generation. Ashamed to be Indian fan! Every day every match - Indian cricket team is losing its fans. But who worries unless they get their money and the sponsors.

Posted by Procter on (December 17, 2012, 6:43 GMT)

Srini's argument against DRS is a big joke. All major sports have adopted refree referral system except Soccer. And Soccer has a good reason to stay away from it as that would slow down the tempo of the game. But to keep it out of cricket by BCCI is hogwash. I agree with drinks.break. SRT goes, DRS will come into Indian cricket. If Dhoni gets kicked out as captain, which he should after losing home series and whitewash in Australia and England test series. If he still says as Captain then I recommend BCCI Working Committee should come up with No Confidence motion against Srini for interfering in selection process, albeit whether BCCI constitution allows it or not!

Posted by Naseer on (December 17, 2012, 6:39 GMT)

I really dont know why are the Indians against DRS, I know they have very poor record of DRS, but the reason is that they dont use it regularly, otherwise there is'nt any logical reason behind DRS denial, if a facility is available, why should n't be used, it will minimize the umpires errors, we know how does it feel when a wrong decision goes against you, it actually hurts your entire spirit, momentum etc, but if u have the option to challenge that erroneous decision then what is the problem? but if you disagree with a decision and then go to umpire in anger and behaving poorly then it is a problem, it is not good for the game, it is harmful to the reputation of this game, and Umpires should also like this because at the end of the day they will not feel guilty, decision overturning on the field might be a bit odd for them but they will get used to it once the system is used regularly. The point is if you have technology to help u minimize human error use it.

Posted by pitch_curator on (December 17, 2012, 6:32 GMT)

@ John ide -- Where were you hiding when Mr Ponting was arguing with Aleem Dar -- that too about a review. You own country man Ian Chappell opined that Ponting should have been suspended after that. How many matches was he banned for acting so pathetically??? Talk about bigots..

Posted by smc101 on (December 17, 2012, 6:31 GMT)

Re ThinkCric "practically dead ball". Are you kidding me. How can something be practically dead. It either is or it isn't. The ball was live. Also, the article does not criticise India, merely stating that it was a reason for their anger. Rather than the article being biased, it's you that are not objective and live in this world where the Indian team is perfect - far from the truth (ps, I'm Indian).

Posted by FazleAbed on (December 17, 2012, 6:27 GMT)

India will not use DRS in near future because to show the world they are the most powerful Cricketing Nation in the world. Nothing for originality. Most importantly India lost this series and their future is darker than Australia. :) :)

Posted by bingoe67 on (December 17, 2012, 6:00 GMT)

Alan Border did the same thing in a test match against New Zealand around 1990/91, Danny Morrison was the bowler if I remember correctly. It was within the rules then and does set a precedent for today. Bowl shit, expect to get hit!

Posted by drinks.break on (December 17, 2012, 5:57 GMT)

As soon as Tendulkar retires, BCCI will accept DRS.

Posted by aarpee2 on (December 17, 2012, 5:53 GMT)

Make it simple- Why not make the third umpire responsible? The moment a decision is found to be wrong on replay deliver instant justice in the interest of the game. Recall the batsman or pack him off as the case maybe Right decision will restore faith of fans and media and enhance the value of the game.When so much time and replay is spent scrutinising a diving save on the boundary for one run why not follow the above system and help restore fairplay even if field umpire is in error? It is a mockery with giant screens on the ground and on TV's inside homes to see gross errors get away because the on field umpire is guilty.Fairplay and instant justice will be the flavour of the game not DRS or post-mortems

Posted by Kashi0127 on (December 17, 2012, 5:52 GMT)

I do hope England DO NOT declare their innings and will play out whole day. Otherwise Sehwag or Tendulkar might get a fifty and seal their place for next 5 years!

Posted by ibbani on (December 17, 2012, 5:45 GMT)

1st of all UDRS is a big and healthy technology. The idiot BCI is not an inch good on opposing it. There is no reason to oppose it either. Instead of crying on umpires, let them use it and then cry. I only hope that they have it for Aussie visits. Instead of crying for spin pitches where 4 spinners are unable to take the 20 wickets. Poor planning from Dhoni, Idiotic mgmt by BCCI, As a true Indian cricket fan, only the fans are just crying out here. the powerhouse BCI is least bothered.

Posted by simpleguy2008 on (December 17, 2012, 5:45 GMT)

I request to the BCCI to please go for the UDRS system now its time to take UDRS

Posted by   on (December 17, 2012, 5:35 GMT)

"The Laws are clear on the issue: Trott had every right to hit the ball. " Well Mr. Dobell The next time please use the same Yard Stick and don't talk of Sportsmanship when it comes to Indians. Where was Mr. Trott's sportsmanship?

Posted by jezzastyles on (December 17, 2012, 5:34 GMT)

The BCCI continue to bury their collective heads in the sand on ALL issues relating to cricket. As 'we' all know, there's nothing wrong with the state of cricket in India, just ask the BCCI and the 'spoilt rotten' players. Congratulations to England on a triumphant series win in India, especially well done considering they went 1-0 down after the 1st test. I am looking forward to the upcoming Ashes series in the middle of next year. Prior is the MOST UNDER-RATED player in world cricket by a 'country mile'.

Posted by baskar_guha on (December 17, 2012, 5:30 GMT)

Both the English writers who are covering this series are patently biased and have an axe to grind with the BCCI. The best thing they can do is not cover when their bias is seriously affecting their objectivity. Makes for painful and disappointing reading.

Posted by Simoc on (December 17, 2012, 5:25 GMT)

England is only a couple of hours away from safety now against the poor sportsman of India. You can bet the president of the BCCI would explain away the bad behaviour as they are renowned for it when under pressure. It must be hard to promote test cricket when the teams are scoring at between 2 and 2.27 runs per over at what is pretty much the home country of T20. Damn boring.

Posted by ccriccfan on (December 17, 2012, 5:19 GMT)

Bottom line is Indian cricket team is a lost cause. I am sure they will end up below Bangladesh in test rankings.

Posted by Kashi0127 on (December 17, 2012, 5:09 GMT)

The fact remains that an India team that has Dhoni, Tendulkar, Sehwag and Gambhir are pathetic losers

Posted by Ibanezfan on (December 17, 2012, 5:08 GMT)

Most useful comment here is by @njr1330. Succinct. Thank you :)

Posted by 9ST9 on (December 17, 2012, 5:03 GMT)

@rajattiwaari - well If Indian players want to be a bit aggro they have to be ready to take it as well - and not go crying like kids. I still laugh at how Kohli acted last year in Australia.

Posted by Prats6 on (December 17, 2012, 4:54 GMT)

As you pointed out Mr Dobell, Trott was within his right to hit the ball that rolled on the floor, similarly India were right to run out Bell (in Eng) & Trott yesterday, but that wasn't done, as there is something called the spirit of the game, but hey, English dont know about that do they? Or they only seem to remember it when they are the victims. Silly Double Standards. BCCI & the Indian team dont have a leg to stand on as far as bad decisions or DRS is concerned. However the umpiring standards have been horrendous in the series and umpires and critics cant always shield themselves with DRS.

Posted by Mitcher on (December 17, 2012, 4:45 GMT)

I find it baffling that so many Indian fans want to, on the one hand, brag about how they now control the game. But, on the other, still play the 'poor me' persecution card whenever their players act like boorish hypocrites despite thinking they still have the moral high ground.

Posted by   on (December 17, 2012, 4:43 GMT)

As usual, all we can hear is moaning. Kholi should be hit with a 2 match ban. The funniest was in the commentry 85th over England 2nd innings "Guys stop blaming Indian Bowlers, blame English batsmen for not playing shots and offering wickets, they are not optimistic of winning this match". This person showed how totally clueless some of the comments are. Other outstanding efforts for stupid comments goes to rajattiw at 4.01Am and ThinkCric at 4:06am. I don't ever recall Ponting standing up to Umpires and loudly demanding they change their mind like a petulant child. Ponting has gotten up the Indian goat because he called Harbhajin for what he said in Sydney. As for ThinkCric, why don't you read the rules of cricket before moaning such rubbish, its obvious that you have never played it. The ball is allowed to be hit by the batsman until the umpire calls it dead. If a bowler tosses the ball and even if its stopped rolling OFF the wicket, the batsman can attack it and hit it.

Posted by Harvey on (December 17, 2012, 4:42 GMT)

@ ThinkCric - If a bowler bowls a ball that bounces more than twice before the popping crease or rolls along the ground, it is a NO BALL, not a dead ball. As with all no balls, the batsman is entitled to hit it. Blatant interferance in pitch preparation and denying your guests meaningful pre-series practice are against the spirit of cricket. Hitting a no ball for a boundary is not.

Posted by   on (December 17, 2012, 4:42 GMT)

The behaviour of Kohli and Dhoni is most deplorable. Even worse was the attitude of the Indian TV commentators who didnt say a word condemning the disgraceful conduct of Kohli and Dhoni both of whom were attempting to intimidate Trott. A pathetic display of thuggery which the cricketing world should denounce unequivocally. A sad day for Indian cricket fans and for the cricketing world in general. Hats off to Geaorge Dobell for bringing this issue up without sweeping it under the carpet. Gavaskar and Bogle are carrying on as if nothing has happened.

Posted by havalina on (December 17, 2012, 4:36 GMT)

India have been mollycoddled by the ICC for so long they are used to automatically getting their own way. When things go badly for them in their own backyard it is so surprising for them that they react poorly, which is what you expect from a side without a strong leadership that demands respect.

Posted by johntycodes on (December 17, 2012, 4:33 GMT)

What about when the indian player was given out caught and they went upstairs to see if the catch carried and then reversed the decision because the replay showed he didn't nick it. India somehow managed to use drs in that decision to help dhoni even though it's not in use in the series.

Posted by wakaPAK on (December 17, 2012, 4:30 GMT)

@ chris_p You mentioned the Hilditich affair because I'm pak fan?? ooooooooo! I'm so ashamed of what sarfraz did; he shoudn't have done that; now which country are you so I can pick something out from the past for you.... But if you've noticed the discussion is about umpiring errors, DRS and the Indian refusal to accept it and IMHO Indians need DRS more than anyone because of their problems with umpire's decisions .

Posted by Rahul_78 on (December 17, 2012, 4:19 GMT)

It is pointless to argue about DRS when it comes to Indian cricket. India might win or come close to wining Nagpur test but there is even less chance of BCCI even giving DRS a fleeting second thought. Such are the ways and whims of high and mighty in Indian cricket. The line that differentiate right or wrong hardly does matter. Regarding the players behavior there is no point in making big fuss about it as I am sure many spectators love to have some needle in a test match where 100+ maiden overs had been bowled by the end of 4th day. We have seen worse from the messrs Broad, Harbhajan, Ponting and co in the past and getting off with just warning from match referees.

Posted by ThinkCric on (December 17, 2012, 4:06 GMT)

This report is as biased as it can get. Especially criticizing India for objecting to Trott's no ball (practically dead ball) hit for four by saying it was not against the law. Had the same happened from an India bat there would have been loud calls for being against the "spirit of the game".

Posted by rajattiwaari on (December 17, 2012, 4:03 GMT)

@landl47: What behaviour you are talking about?? Atleast Indians dont throw jelly beans at their opponents,Indians dont claim bump catches(like australians in sydney test of 2008 and trott in the first test of this series). While vaughan was all smiles during the jelly beans saga and not a word was said against him,one enquiry from MSD and suddenly he becomes the villain?? Clearly,landl47, you dont follow cricket very closely. You are in this website just to make sure anti-indian comments keep on piling!!

Posted by rajattiwaari on (December 17, 2012, 4:01 GMT)

@TheJake:I have no sympathy for the BCCI. But the point is very clear,Indian players who like to have a word or two with opponents are termed as brash,while players from some other countries are called "aggresive and players playing with lot of intensity". As for ricky ponting , his behaviour on the cricket field was disgusting and yet how many times he was fined/punished?? Once or twice in 16 years. Hope you will know the answer ,otherwise it will be safe to assume you have been living under a rock.

Posted by rajattiwaari on (December 17, 2012, 3:59 GMT)

@BG4Cricket: You sure they were abusing umpire?? Man, you have got tremendous hearing ability,you hear something that is not even audible via stumps microphone.

Posted by wakaPAK on (December 17, 2012, 3:58 GMT)

@Landl47 Umpires should do the referrals but we know nowadays umpires are very careful and they have to refer every stumping and run out appeal which becomes nagging quite sometimes and it wastes time; imagine umpires referring every LBW appeal and with good bowlers you get a lot. So why not make it the responsibility of the players because test cricket is so beautiful because of the so many factors involved in determining the course of the game and so many decisions you make at crucial times; you should know when to bat; when to attack or defend and when to send a particular batsman and the list goes on, so why not add the referral to your arsenal, you can either blow it if you are naive or impatient or you can make right decision at the right time. I think with time teams will get to know which decisions they should refer and which they shouldn't. It's like a new challenge they have to master and it definitely brings more spice to the game. So my vote goes to the present system.

Posted by SydneyIndi on (December 17, 2012, 3:49 GMT)

@ Humphrey Hollins, Dear Nelson old chap, during India's last tour of England, Bell was run out by his own mistake and it was legitimate in the rule book; U can't just assume the ball has reached boundary and stop runiing. Yet, there was a big hue and cry by English supporter and their coach was 'upset'. India's sportsman like gesture gave him another go. Of course U don't remember that do U? Are U being One eyed Nelson now?

Posted by jmcilhinney on (December 17, 2012, 3:49 GMT)

@Ven61 on (December 17 2012, 03:35 AM GMT), judging by the goings on when the BCCI wanted to charge broadcasters so much more than has been usual for facilities and also banning media companies that provide images from their grounds, I can only assume that the BCCI is not prepared to accept DRS until they find some way to make more money from it.

Posted by Ven61 on (December 17, 2012, 3:35 GMT)

I am not sure if logic is the basis of BCCI's stand. Is it some kind of politics or perception of personal benefit that makes them stand against DRS?

Isnt it obvious that the umpire must have the benefit of technology in making his decision? There needs to be no rule that forces an umpire to change his decision, but the mere benefit of additional, technology-facilitated information will make for better decisions.

Posted by njr1330 on (December 17, 2012, 3:35 GMT)

Umpires should take a lead from Rugby; in the World Cup final, Martin Johnson questioned a penalty decision. The ref. simply stared at him and calmly said: 'I wasn't aware this was a ****ing debate'!!

Posted by crick50 on (December 17, 2012, 3:23 GMT)

Umpiring decision ..cry for ..DRS>> DRS>> Umpire ...Human error.. these words are echoing for quite some year now.. Well what is Human error.. If he is giving not out when he is OUT or viceversa..How you aspect its human error & why not umpire gives not out on personal vengeance? or some other reason.. to err is human means Player also human.. if player are showing disappointment at umpire or other player why it can't be seen as human error...out of anger.. There should be some Rules & fines for Umpire as well. Make DRS as a must or ICC don't recognize as official matches..

if you are not using DRS scrap for all match . make 3rd umpire review a compulsion one.. On field umpire must use 3rd umpire review if he has doubt in his mind.. This can be controlled in better way .. like penalizing umpire if he make more than 2 wrong decision in single match..& must have some marking system for all umpires..

Posted by Mitcher on (December 17, 2012, 3:17 GMT)

Are we really that surprised about the reaction of the Indian players to umpiring decisions? I mean, the same group who get hot under the collar when a batsman hits a bad (nay, terrible) ball for four. Outrageous!!!!

Posted by JustOUT on (December 17, 2012, 3:11 GMT)

Whatever it is... India lost test series at home.. This is fittingly a good lesson for Team India and their fans to know where they stand in terms of TEST cricket. The worst is yet to come after the retirement of Sehwag and Sachin.

Posted by JoieDeVivre on (December 17, 2012, 3:04 GMT)

This article is bit of a joke if I'm honest and I don't say this because India is on receiving end. India, as a team have been poor in the 2 Tests and have got what they deserved. In terms of behaviour or spirit of the game I really do think it applies only when India is playing. Why didn't the writer talk about R Ashwin only warning Trott not to venture out? Ashwin was well within his right to run him out. Trott hitting a 4 of Jadeja is very much part of the rules but what it shows is double standards and smells of hypocrisy. How does the writer know what Kohli and Ishant Sharma were saying to Trott. Watch the matches involving Stuart Braod and they way he appeals and reacts. Stuart Braod has been lucky for reasons which are known to everyone. While 2 wrongs don't make a right but before saying India doesn't follow the spirit of the game this writer could have done some more work.

Posted by   on (December 17, 2012, 2:51 GMT)

@jimmy2s: I am an Indian citizen and I can tell you I do wear a seat belt while driving and so do many well educated, well aware, and well informed Indians across the country. It's sad to see you generalize us as a people given how big India is. Besides, what has the DRS got to do with seat belts ? It was a poor analogy from Mr. Dobell to begin with.

Posted by   on (December 17, 2012, 2:45 GMT)

@phoenixsteve: Fair enough. But I am sure you are aware of a few talented players in the Indian team. India can turn their fate around if they are to make a few necessary changes to their attitude and work structure. They should start giving more importance to test cricket from now on. T20 and ODIs are meaningless but they are necessary for financial reasons so I have no bad blood with that. When test cricket was prioritized, India were winning well at home and becoming a decent team while travelling overseas. Now, test cricket is pushed to the brink and India have once again started to lose because of their lack of interest and skills. As you said, more defeats to come unless something is done to rectify this hopeless situation. For a start, Mr. Tendulkar should retire immediately and DRS should be implemented.

Posted by Alexk400 on (December 17, 2012, 2:44 GMT)

I am staunch supporter of DRS. That said current DRS rules are flawed. Whole process is badly designed. I always believe that the people with better view of the incident should appeal. That rule out players appealing who has no view of incident. The best people appeal for Howler is coaches. DRS goal is to remove howlers only. It is not to replace umpires. People always get confused with these two stuff. That said we all want 100% perfect decisions. But there is a reason umpires are used because its very difficult to formulate rule for LBW. Because it skewed decision. It is kinda assumption that ball with hit the stumps. I always think we should not ball would have hit the stumps using DRS technology. I do not think how wind behaves and how much ball gona jump all approximat with some error %. So i think i am not favor of any Hawkeye , hotspot ( it does n't work when sun shines). For me extreme slow motion camera will work for all.

Posted by   on (December 17, 2012, 2:40 GMT)

@Ranveerrsingh: Dear fellow Indian fan, such remarks doesn't help the fact we have been outplayed in test cricket over the last 18 months. Yes, India are good in ODIs and T20s but what's the use ? Test cricket is the ultimate format and we are losing badly. Please refrain from mocking English supporters when our team is out there mocking US - the INDIAN fans, through their poor display in test cricket.

Posted by   on (December 17, 2012, 2:37 GMT)

@Front-Foot-Lunge: The feeling is mutual my friend. I have always believed England to be a very good test team. If there were to be no other formats in world cricket, England could well have been the very best cricket team on the planet given their love and dedication towards test cricket. As an Indian fan, I am angered at the spineless show of indifference enacted on the field by the Indian team and their bosses at the BCCI. As passionate fans, we deserve a NEW team, one that is built around the passion, dedication, hard work, and pride of the country. Right now, far too many Indian players are running behind money and glitz. A few of them have also lost their humbleness and innocence (eg: Gambhir) and have now become kind of arrogant in the face of failure. I only hope this downward spiral is temporary. India will always be a good limited overs team but I prefer test cricket more than those 2 formats and I hope India can resurrect their lost image.

Posted by Meety on (December 17, 2012, 2:36 GMT)

Shame that ALL of the BCCI's errant decisions have come back to bite them in the ONE series. The lack of a succession plan, the emphasis on IPL (at the expense of flighting spinners), the lack of a review of the successive whitewashes, & the pig-headed refusal to use UDRS or part there-of. It has been a long time coming & India are going to have a long period of diminishing returns before things get better. Hopefully it won't ruin the careers of some of India's few bright spots (Kohli & Pujarra & Yadav), but I fear the pressure from an underperforming team could engulf them. I felt that India were due a big fall, didn't think it would be England that cashes in (thoughEngland have deserved to). I wonder should India extract "revenge" in the ODIs & T20 whether the BCCI will feel everything is okay????? == == == As the 4th Day report is closed, I will say that this has ben a great old-fashioned fight. England are in the prime position, but a collapse & a Sehwag classic - could change.

Posted by iphone1 on (December 17, 2012, 2:34 GMT)

Randy Oz seems to be poking his nose everywher when Oz got beaten by SA. agreed that Oz is playing good at the moment but the poster needs to excercise caution. I am waiting for all the english fans to give a piece of stick to the aussies next year. Even India might do that considering Aussies do not have a great spinner.

Posted by jimbond on (December 17, 2012, 2:22 GMT)

If anything, the protest of Indian team over umpiring decisions show that neither Dhoni nor Kohli - or even Gambhir deserve to the captains. I hope that Indian selectors pull a joker out of the pack when they decide on captaincy for the next tour (As far as I remember, neither Kumble nor Ganguly were popular choices of captaincy- till they became captain). My choice for the captaincy would be either a non-controversial choice among the playing 11, or a rank outsider like Kaif who can be given captaincy for a series and tested out (Btw, for tough tours abroad, they need batsmen like Kaif too).

Posted by SantoshGhirnikar on (December 17, 2012, 2:19 GMT)

Nothing in this world is perfect. Air bags, seat belts, do not guarantee that you will come out unscathed in an accident. By rejecting DRS, the BCCI is showing its myopia. For those who are against the DRS, think back to the WC final when at a crucial moment of the game an inside edge clearly caught on the DRS system reversed Yuvraj's LBW decision.

Posted by jimbond on (December 17, 2012, 2:16 GMT)

George Dobbell- your eulogies for the batting greats of England can wait till they prove themselves against proper bowling attacks. Against SA/Pak who are among the few contemporary teams that possess reasonable attacks, they have been found wanting. Trott, despite his greatness could not/cannot hope to find place in an SA team. Showing prowess against minnows is not a sign of greatness (Sorry Indian supporters, but untill they unearth a few good bowlers and cut their flab and put their house in order, they are not good enough). Last couple of years, England have performed beyond their capabilities. Over the past few months they have come back to normal.

Posted by everfaithful77 on (December 17, 2012, 2:05 GMT)

I AGREE WITH MR. DOBELL THAT THE DRS IS NOT PERFECT BUT IT'S A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION and should have been in use in this HIGH PROFILE series. INDIA only have themselves to blame for refusing to embrace modern technology in defiance of all the other TEST playing nations who are using the DRS. Consequently India has forced itself to accept the decisions of the ON-FIELD UMPIRES as FINAL. ENGLAND who prefer the use of the DRS have no choice but to tag along. HOW PATHETIC !! INDIA HAS NO RIGHT TO APPEAL TO THE THIRD UMPIRE FOR ANY DECISION MADE BY THE ON-FIELD UMPIRES. Only the on-field umpires can do that if they deem it necessary. BOTH TEAMS gave up their right to appeals beyond the field of play when they agreed to play this series without DRS. The ICC MUST NOW BE RUING THEIR DECISION TO RESCIND THE COMPULSORY USE OF THE DRS IN ALL TEST CRICKET SHORTLY AFTER THEY IMPOSED IT. In light of India's continued REFUSAL to accept DRS the ICC MUST ACT AGAIN THIS TIME PERMANENTLY.

Posted by challagalla on (December 17, 2012, 2:01 GMT)

All I can say about DRS is the Indian cricketers have not been intelligent in using their reviews or even in understanding the DRS system basics properly. Thats why they have never liked it and the BCCI is equally mullish in objecting. In they 4 tests in this series atleast 12 decisions would have been overturned if DRS was used. The Indian team has no business complaining about the umpiring errors and we indian fans too should not. We have clearly shot ourselves in the foot. The BCCI is fine with 12 wrong decisions in the series but they are worried about the one inconclusive verdict by DRS. Talk about foolishness. Not very nice behaviour from the Indians today. I always say letting off a bit of steam on the field is acceptable and Ishant Sharma and Dhoni were within the boundaries of good behaviour but Virat Kohli showed his nasty side. He really is a petulant, arrogant, brattish lout. He certainly needs disciplining.

Posted by   on (December 17, 2012, 1:40 GMT)

Indian fans are far too one eyed, and the players appear to be as well.How could they complain about Trott hitting a poor but legitimate ball to the boundary? Players congregating around the umpire and an opposition player just looks terrible, it is really not cricket chaps.

Posted by LePom on (December 17, 2012, 1:21 GMT)

@landl47 - your suggestion of getting the umpires to make the call on referrals is sensible, though the down side is that the temptaion would be for umpires in the middle to engage in but covering, refer all but the most obvious decisions, and cause a slowing of the game. Having only the umpires call for the 3rd umpire help can also cause problems (often seen in Rugby and League) where calls are not refered, are wrong, and there is no recourse for the players. It may still be the best of what will always be imperfect solutions. For those arguing against DRS because of limitations in the technology- sorry, but that is not a valid argument. Bails have been an imperfect mechanical way of measuring if the stumps have been hit for alost as long as the game has been played. They were designed to stop arguments over whether or not the stumps had been touched by the ball- but they are rather a crude measure, so the laws were adapted around that. DRS is simply bails taken to the next level.

Posted by David_Bofinger on (December 17, 2012, 1:21 GMT)

@landl47, the problem is that it takes time for a third umpire to check a decision. We don't want to hold up every ball, so unless we go for retrospective reviews ("Sorry, mate, just got around to checking, you were out last over."), which I don't think would be popular, we need a process to decide which balls get reviewed and which don't. And if we're going to do that then it makes sense to take advantage of the expert observations of the players close to the wicket. Quite often the batsman, bowler, keeper and/or close-in fielder will know the decision was right or wrong. Nearly every time, for instance, the batsman knows whether he nicked it. Allowing players to call for reviews, as well as (not instead of) umpires, captures the knowledge of those players and makes the review process more efficient. Unfortunately Sri Lanka have done a very bad job of choosing decisions to reviews this test, but that's unusual.

Posted by inzisaloos on (December 17, 2012, 0:57 GMT)

Regardless of the rights and wrongs of the DRS system itself, one of the most worrying aspects of the whole debate is the precise lack of it amongst the Indian commentators covering India's home games. The BCCI resembles some unwieldy, intransigent totalitarian regime so obsessed with everyone having to tow the party line that even broadcasters are paid off and muffled when it comes to speaking openly about their policies regarding something which the rest of the cricketing world is discussing without reserve or restriction. This marks the death of free speech and the cricketers-turned-lackeys who have sold their souls to the Indian rupee in a Faustian pact should be ashamed of themselves. Long live free speech.

Posted by legsidewide on (December 17, 2012, 0:50 GMT)

@Usman Huda don't forget they did the exact same thing to Daryl Harper more recently, he said precise as much when announcing his premature retirement. Claims from the Indian cricket hierarchy proving to be increasingly base and without merit.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (December 17, 2012, 0:45 GMT)

@cricrasik on (December 16 2012, 16:21 PM GMT), I said at the time that India should not have withdrawn the appeal against Thirimane (I think it was) because he had already been warned and was clearly flouting the rules. He continued to leave his crease even after that so he clearly deserved to be out. I said it at the time and I say it now. With regards to Trott, if it hadn't been so hard to score on this pitch then I have a feeling that Trott would have just left that ball. When scoring opportunities are so few and far between though, it's hard to pass one up. As for Bell, I have no issue with India having run him out and I have no issue with England asking for him to be reinstated. India could have refused and I would have had no problem with that either. While I agree that he was foolish, you have to admit that it was unusual circumstances. He only left his crease to return to the pavilion for the tea(?) break. If it was any other ball during the session he would not have.

Posted by Ranveerrsingh on (December 17, 2012, 0:39 GMT)

SaintJohn, Trott should go and play under-arm bowling, he must be very good at that. Looks like you are jealous of Dhoni......i know why..... no ODI World cups for England since the world started playing ODI's...HAHAHAHA!! India were the no.1 test team for 2 years and England just for a year!!

Posted by legsidewide on (December 17, 2012, 0:37 GMT)

Funny that the author used seat belts as an analogy; Dobell, you might be on to something - when was the last time you took a look at how many drivers (and passengers) in India actually wore seat belts? Might make the stance on DRS more clear actually, the don't bother with either.

Posted by Patchmaster on (December 17, 2012, 0:31 GMT)

What a terrible example the India players show to the rest of the World. Whinging because they're losing, being bullies to umpires. Surely these are the death throws of the great Indian cricketing legacy. Dhoni etc should be ashamed.

Posted by 2.14istherunrate on (December 17, 2012, 0:28 GMT)

@randyoz-And of course Australia of the last 20 years have been absolute models of sportsmanship, upholding the spirit of the game,fairplay , and gentlemanly conduct and anything else which might find favour with genteel folk...hahah. Mote like rollerball on the cricketfield. How low can a team sink and still be termed civilised!

Posted by powski on (December 17, 2012, 0:24 GMT)

I have played and followed cricket for over 40 years and am tired of the bickering about DRS. As other sports in the world namely tennis and rugby, have embrassed new technology, so should cricket. This must be across the board. The ICC need to show some spine and tell all countries that it is manadatory. If you don't like it then you don't play. It is an embarassment to the game!

Posted by   on (December 16, 2012, 23:49 GMT)

The DRS is designed to give a fair decision..does this mean we are losing faith in the umpires - NO, instead of putting up a fight on the field better use the available technology. Will prove good for the game of cricket!!

Posted by SivaSurapaneni on (December 16, 2012, 23:38 GMT)

I completely agree with landl47. All decisions should be left to the 3 umpires. Let field umpires review close decisions with third umpire, just like currently they review close runouts and stumpings. Once they make a decision, that should be final. 2 reviews restrictions makes DRS insignificant after 2 unsuccessful attempts. Again, as the author mentioned, cricketers need to be role models and they need to conduct themselves with dignity.

Posted by baskar_guha on (December 16, 2012, 23:28 GMT)

DRS means multiple things so lets me clarify what I would go with. I am not for hotspot and predictive technology unless proven as highly reliable by an independent group (which still hasn't been shown), not cricket journalists (whose knowledge of science is likely on the nominal side) and highly misguided fans who neither understand cricket nor technology. I am for video replays and I am for the on-field umps using it when they see fit in conjunction with the third ump. In effect, the same method we use for run-outs and no-ball checks can be extended to detecting and correcting obviously incorrect decisions. There is no need to involve players in this in the form of a challenge -- it undermines the sport. I am certain BCCI will go with this. It is just that some of the other boards, notably ECB and CA, are heavily influenced and lobbied by the owners of hotspot and hawkeye or similar for financial gain. And it is clear they have fallen for such influence.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (December 16, 2012, 23:19 GMT)

@landl47 on (December 16 2012, 22:09 PM GMT) & @pereirapet on (December 16 2012, 22:17 PM GMT), I see the sense in what you are saying but unfortunately it's not as simple as that. Like many things in life, I'm not sure that there is a perfect way to use DRS and a trade-off will always be required. The obvious reason that the number of reviews is limited at the moment is to ensure that teams don't just review every decision in hope rather than expectation. How many times in this series has a team appealed for LBW when it has obviously been not out? Imagine if they could review every one of those decisions. If decisions were always up to the third umpire then that third umpire would have to be involved in every one of those appeals even without a player review. Hasn't this game dragged out enough already without two or three referrals to the third umpire an over? DRS was intended for "howlers", e.g. Cook and Pujara in this game. Using it for 50/50 LBWs is where most issues arise.

Posted by Front-Foot-Lunge on (December 16, 2012, 23:19 GMT)

@ Balaji Kumar, Thank you for your kind remarks. India have some good players in Kohli & Ashwin, but they shouldn't go down the path of the likes of Ricky Ponting, and mark their careers by losing the plot on the field. I have to say that I've noticed a general but sizable difference in the reaction of Indian fans to Australian fans. Since England started besting Australia every time they meet, some of the aussie fans have a tendency to get a little angry. I see a lot of Indian fans' comments in which the poster is clearly passionate about their team winning, frustrated at their team's failures, and looking forward to a plan to make changes. This is refreshing to see, and I believe the recognition of the importance of self-deprecatory humor in encouraging positive change is something Brits and Indians share. This could be a reason Australian cricket has remained stagnant and weak for such a long time now.

Posted by TheBengalTiger on (December 16, 2012, 23:09 GMT)

its funny how spirit of cricket only applies to India. When India legitimately ran out Ian bell, they were branded unsportmsnalike. Even though its completely within the rules. Yet when England do this, its fine. What biased commentary

Posted by   on (December 16, 2012, 23:05 GMT)

The histrionics following that bogus, orchestrated appeal by Dhoni & Ishant were symptomatic of a far deeper malaise in Indian cricket: one that's taken root in the past decade or so, & that centres around a sense of generic entitlement based squarely on the fact that India has become the financial powerhouse of world cricket. It's this sense of entitlement that's led directly to the BCCI's belief that it's acceptable to sabotage opposing teams' preparations by refusing them meaningful practice against spin, by its disgraceful non-deployment of DRS (safe in the knowledge that standing umpires, terrified of falling foul of the BCCI, will almost always favour India in marginal decisions), by openly endorsing doctored pitches & by attempting to gag the non-Indian media. No fair-minded person likes a bully or a cheat, which is why England's victory in this series has been so sweet; it's also why 95% of neutrals invariably support whichever team happens to be playing against India.

Posted by sephotrig on (December 16, 2012, 23:03 GMT)

@RandyOZ, you really don't have a leg to stand on in this do you? Which country started the use of 'mental disintegration' towards their opponents, which country bowled an underarm delivery the last ball of a match? Think the answer to both is Australia, so I would keep your nose out you hypocrite.

Posted by LillianThomson on (December 16, 2012, 23:01 GMT)

The sad thing is that while the administrators of other Boards want to play against India often, the players and spectators are increasingly disinterested and are sick of it.

DRS is the key. The stats are out there: it increases 85% umpiring accuracy to 98% accuracy when supported by DRS, which can only be a good thing. But it also removes - or reduces - the bad sportsmanship and dissent which human error promotes.

India's players are probably no more spoilt or badly behaved than any other overpaid, pampered sportsmen, such as EPL footballers.

But other teams only regulalrly encounter this massively less acccurate decision-making (and associated misbehaviour) when they play against India, so in the eyes of the English, Australian, South African and New Zealand public it is the series against India which they associate with poor sportsmanship and dislike.

Sadly, their Boards are scheduling series v India too frequently, for financial reasons. And the fans are sick of it.

Posted by   on (December 16, 2012, 22:59 GMT)

@itsthewayuplay hear hear!

Posted by sephotrig on (December 16, 2012, 22:57 GMT)

To me its a quite simple decision, you either accept DRS, which is what I think most would, or if you go without it you cannot question an umpires decision at all, unlike the Indians did today. The actions of Kohli, Dhoni, Ishant Sharma and to a lesser extent Jadeja are nothing short of disgraceful and merit a strong response from either the match referee or the ICC.

Posted by clarky1958 on (December 16, 2012, 22:51 GMT)

@pereirapet: I think that if you don't limit the number of referrals then every team will refer almost every decision made (that isn't bowled or obviously caught). Can you imagine the pace of play on a turning wicket with every bat pad decision being referred? You would be lucky to get 60 overs in the day!

The thing I find hilarious about watching tests with DRS in use is the massive appeals for a decision and the every player screaming the appeal at the umpire, but when turned down aren't even confident enough to risk one of their two referrals. This scenario alone has helped cut out a huge amount of umpire intimidation.

Posted by jay123xyz on (December 16, 2012, 22:50 GMT)

A couple of observations after the DRS came into place.. it has greatly impacted how the LBW decisions are being made.. In some cases,With DRS, a bowler stands a higher chance of getting an LBW if he bowled a more straighter line & umpires tend to give more LBWs..In such cases bowlers (mainly finger spinners) are getting more advantage out of this system.. In certain other cases, with DRS, the LBW decisions get reversed in favor of the batsmen, if we have a big swing bowler or a big spinner. Umpires are very reluctant to give LBWs in such cases, as the projected path always seems to show that it's missing the stumps. Not sure if the turn on the wicket/wind conditions/ball hitting a crack etc. are being considered.

DRS is affecting the game more than what a 'Decision Review System' should do.

Also,whatever technology (perfect or imperfect) is being used as an aid, i think DRS should be left to the control of umpires and not players to avoid it being used as strategy .

Posted by alfredmynn on (December 16, 2012, 22:44 GMT)

@rkannancrown - your last comment is another example of inability/refusal to comprehend the simple fact that DRS exists to reverse howlers and not to give the 'perfect' answer, if such a thing exists, in all cases. No technology can tell if the last 5 nanometres on the edge of the bat came into contact with the outermost layer of atoms on the ball. That's an inherent problem with adjudicating a binary out/notout decision on measurements of continuous phenomena. In case the technology is unable to resolve the issue, the umpire's decision stands and that is a perfectly acceptable outcome. Spectators can handle marginal calls where nobody knows the 'truth', but real howlers detract from enjoyment of professional sport. @jay123xyz that's a fair comment. While DRS technology appears ready for prime time (improvements will undoubtedly continue to be made), it is not clear whether the review process itself, and how it's used by captains, is optimal.

Posted by clarky1958 on (December 16, 2012, 22:41 GMT)

@landl47: Agree 100% with this approach. This would be like how in tennis umpire could overrule clearly wrong decisions from linesmen.

Posted by SaintJohn on (December 16, 2012, 22:39 GMT)

MSD and kohli should be banned for next two matches.

Posted by Moppa on (December 16, 2012, 22:34 GMT)

@landl47 and @pereiapet, if you allow the on-field umpires to refer all decisions, they will refer ALL decisions, essentially meaning we end up with an almighty third umpire. This is what happened in the World XI v Australia Test in 2005, when every lbw shout of any merit was referred. Its not such an issue for run outs and stumpings, because there is less role for judgment, but it would be sad to see every nick and every lbw decided this way. I'm quite happy with the 2 referrals approach - one of the main things is does is it makes players "put up or shut up" - Sharma, Dhoni et al, for example, could have reviewed rather than complained. Further, limiting reviews to 2 prevents needless reviews, as we see for even clear run out calls these days. On a more technical point, @pereiapet, I don't think Snicko is immediately available, which is why it's hardly ever (never?) used in DRS. Also, I don't see how 2 hot spots is a problem with Hot Spot, if 2 things hit 2 other things

Posted by Chris_P on (December 16, 2012, 22:30 GMT)

No another thread I wrote how Mark Taylor is strongly advocating the 3rd umpire take control of any reviews thereby taking the questioning of umpires totally out of the players' hands. That appears the best direction.

Posted by Chris_P on (December 16, 2012, 22:27 GMT)

@@wakaPak. How was that not in the spirit? It's in the rules & totally legal, I have even played it once & couldn't believe it when I had the chance! BTW, that's a bit rich stating about the "spirit" after the Hilditch was appealed out (handled ball) that time for handing the ball back to the Sarfraz!

Posted by Harlequin. on (December 16, 2012, 22:26 GMT)

@InsideHedge, I have a number of Indian friends, and a lot of love for many of the Indian players, so feel very disappointed with the way the BCCI conducts itself a lot of the time to the detriment of Indian cricket, and cricket on the whole....but man, reading your comments, it takes a lot of strength to stop myself from wishing your team crashed and burned off the world stage and just stuck to the IPL

Posted by landl47 on (December 16, 2012, 22:24 GMT)

@rajattiwaari: clearly you don't follow cricket very closely. Just in 2011 alone, Tim Bresnan, Stuart Broad, Ricky Ponting and Brad Haddin were fined for dissent. Tim Bresnan was fined in the series against India! Dissent is unacceptable whoever is guilty of it and there are no favorites being played. Trying to pretend that Indians are being targeted when clearly that isn't true just makes it look as though you are attempting to excuse the Indian team's unacceptable behaviour.

Posted by Chris_P on (December 16, 2012, 22:23 GMT)

Come on guys, how can you bully the 3rd umpire from the field? Disgraceful effort from a few players there. This recalls scenes from past tours where neutral umpires & DRS resulted in these type of things not happening.

Posted by   on (December 16, 2012, 22:21 GMT)

@cricrasik. Most commentators at the time agreed that Ashwin was within his rights to run out the non-striker for backing up too far, just as Trott was within his rights to hit that ball.

Posted by Cpt.Meanster on (December 16, 2012, 22:20 GMT)

@Front-Foot-Lunge: In 'test cricket' ? YES ! The gulf is huge. In fact it resembles a crater resembling the one left by the 'dinosaur killer' millions of years ago. Also, I said at the start of this series that it would be England's to win or lose. They have proved me right and have chosen to win. This Indian TEST team isn't worthy of any notice or praise. Unless there is a complete shake up of the system beginning with the sacking of Fletcher and Dhoni and the retirement of Tendulkar, I cannot see any more wins or even draws for India any time soon. They will continue to lose every test match. 2 billion Indians need to give the BCCI a piece of their mind. Oh and they will !!!

Posted by   on (December 16, 2012, 22:20 GMT)

Disgusting pathetic behaviour by India cricketers. These cricketers (Dhoni, Kohli, SRT, Singh etc) are on record as saying the umpires decision should be final. Is that except when they dont like it? Shows you why they really dont want DRS. Shows you how much power they really have over umpires. That this intimidation has flooeded onto the field for all to see, shows you how secure they feel about there power in the game. Terrible place for cricket to be.

Posted by guptakapil13 on (December 16, 2012, 22:18 GMT)

All these so called technology and research is done by companies not in India. While Indian companies can provide same technology, though I am sure ICC will not allow this. BCCI is smart that DRS is nothing else but to pull more money out of BCCI for parasite ICC. Looks like its clearly a business decision, let ICC say Indian companies can bid and can be given the contract for DRS, and soon we may see BCCI saying YES...........

Posted by pereirapet on (December 16, 2012, 22:17 GMT)

The current application of DRS is a farce. Every delivery deserves the opportunity for as correct a decision as possible. As such DRS should apply for every delivery and only to assist the umpires. Its an absurdly contradictory stance where we demand its use (because it is sooooo good) but potentially only twice per team/innings. Snicko (1), and hot spot (2) have their problems (eg how often do you see two hotspots on replay), but the information is useful for the umpire to help him make a judgement. Hawkeye makes great TV but predictive path is dodgy at best so it is no more accurate than a video replay (3). Potentially, all of these (1,2,3) are immediately available to the umpire (via the 3rd). As the umpire's decision is final he should be given as much information as possible. For India this is an opportunity to adopt the current reliable tech, while abiding with their support of the umpire's decision.

Posted by   on (December 16, 2012, 22:15 GMT)

@Front-Foot-Lunge: Can't agree more. I am an Indian supporter, but instead of getting angry, I feel the sense in your remarks. The Indian players' behaviours were next to outrageous. This is not how test cricketers behave. The BCCI and their 'team' are the fools here. They have shot themselves in the foot by denying the use of DRS and now come back to cry like babies when things don't go their way. The biggest joke of this all is that MS Dhoni too began to complain when he himself said in an interview that he doesn't feel the DRS is 'foolproof'. Well too bad, who is the fool today ?

Posted by clarky1958 on (December 16, 2012, 22:15 GMT)

@rkannancrown: "The absence of a clear verdict by DRS would only have exposed the limitations of DRS."

The purpose of the DRS is to overturn poor decisions - NOT close/marginal decisions. So in the case of Trott it would have left the decision as given by the umpire.

Posted by CheetosRule on (December 16, 2012, 22:12 GMT)

If Virat Kohli wants to lead India in the near future, he would do well to be more patient and less emotional.

Posted by landl47 on (December 16, 2012, 22:09 GMT)

I have been saying for years now that all decisions should be left to the 3 umpires, using whatever technology is able to assist them- in THEIR judgement. It's ridiculous for players to have to guess whether a decision is right or not; that should be the sole responsibility of the umpires. Once there is an appeal, the 3 umpires decide whether it is out or not and their decision is final. That meets Mr. Srinivasan's objection, it avoids situations where a wrong decision is allowed to stand because the 2 reviews have been used up and it allows the best possible decision to be made in EVERY case. This is exactly how every run out and stumping decision is made and you may have noticed that there is never any argument over run out and stumping decisions. Just extend the same principle to every decision.

No-one has ever been able to tell me why this is not the best solution. That's probably because it is the best solution.

Posted by TheJake on (December 16, 2012, 22:02 GMT)

@rajattiwaari Do you live under a rock? Kholi is not fined for sledging, but for arguing with the umpire. Ricky Ponting almost lost his entire match payment in the last Ashes in Melbourne because he argued with umpire. About time Indians stopped calling "double standards" when they are the only ones constantly complaining about everything in cricket that BCCI isn't making a profit from.

Posted by EdwardTLogan on (December 16, 2012, 22:01 GMT)

Every turnover and scoring play in the NFL is reviewed by the officials. Perhaps it is time for every dismissal to be reviewed by the third umpire. When it comes to non-decisoins, give the fielding team two cracks at it, if they use them up on a tactical basis (ie that was close, we should refer it), more fool them. And to the nimrod who compared what Dhoni and Kholi did to sledging, take a good hard look at yourself. Also, if I was a batsman and the bowler was standing on the pitch, he would only do it once if you know what I mean.....

Posted by itsthewayuplay on (December 16, 2012, 21:53 GMT)

Fourthly, Tendulkar Dravid VVS and Kumble are recent players who have made major contributions to Indian and to cricket generally and never shamed themselves the way the so-called generation X do. The more junior members would do well to make a name for their cricketing achievements whilst respecting the spirit of the game. Lastly, whilst India has employed cheap and embarassing tactics India throughout to engineer a series win, it's laughable some English fans are commenting about the Indian players behaviour and yet turned a blind eye to the at times disgraceful behaviour of their own players last year - where were you then? The biggest culprit being Stuart Broad who consistently crosses the line knowlingly safe in the by his ICC match referee father's cloak (yes oh here we go again).

Posted by itsthewayuplay on (December 16, 2012, 21:52 GMT)

Firstly, as an Indian supporter I have no sympathy if the Indian players and management are aggrieved with the decisions that have gone against them, actual or perceived. DRS would, I hope, have prevented dissatisfaction over a number of decisions in this series. Secondly, the source of the dissent shown by Indian players was because it's a must-win game for them. If they channelled this frustation into their performances they may not have lost 8-0 away from home. And even if the results hadn't changed, at least we would have been able to draw encouragement from the performances because there's no shame in losing if you've given everything. Unfortunately, our players denied us any crumbs of comfort. Thirdly, regardless of whether DRS is being used there's no excuse for players questioning the umpire's decision on the field of play. If they have an issue, deal with it at the end of play and through proper channels.

Posted by   on (December 16, 2012, 21:45 GMT)

Splendid article. The BCCI states that it will not accept DRS on the grounds that it is not perfect - and umpires have in this series demonstrated that they are?

Posted by InnocentGuy on (December 16, 2012, 21:44 GMT)

I agree with you for a change Mr. Dobbell. But I was amused at the analogy you used. The seat belt. Surely, you must know that almost nobody cares for the seat belt in India :) It doesn't matter if it makes you statistically safer. Most Indians think that it's stupid and people who wear seat belts need to 'grow up'. But the BCCI is basically a bunch of fools who lust for money and power. So there's definitely an angle to this that everyone else's missing. I'm sure even they don't buy this whole undermining-the-umpire baloney. It's all a facade.

Posted by 158notout on (December 16, 2012, 21:31 GMT)

skilebow - to be honest after having read all of his one-sided, inaccurate comments I think there is a lot other than this article that InsideHedge doesn't really understand!

Posted by BG4cricket on (December 16, 2012, 21:30 GMT)

@rajittiwaari - I think you are missing the point as Kohli and MS were not sledging but openly questioning and abusing the umpire which is never allowable.

Posted by InsideHedge on (December 16, 2012, 21:29 GMT)

@rajattiwaari : Apparently only the two of us noticed the behaviour of Finn, Dernbach et al. Oh wait, there were a couple more who noticed, and when they wrote in, they were bombarded by England fans accusing them of "mud raking" and other acts of fabrication.

Posted by InsideHedge on (December 16, 2012, 21:26 GMT)

@Ashwin: While I admire the gist of your message, you spoil it by elevating Mr. Cheat aka Mohd Azharuddin to some saintly pedastal. True spirit of the game? You need to think before you post.

I'm sure your wish for censure will be realised, it will only be in the true spirit of tradition, eh? A blind eye when it's anyone else, but a good ole ban when it's Indian players. But then, don't come here and complain when it happens. As they say, be careful what you wish for.

Posted by InsideHedge on (December 16, 2012, 21:22 GMT)

It must be the silly season, many are now blaming SRT for BCCI's stance against DRS. Unless you have absolute proof, I suggest you show some respect to one of the game's all time greats.

Pls. do show us stats that prove SRT would have suffered had DRS been use in India games since BCCI blocked it.

Posted by simz504 on (December 16, 2012, 21:21 GMT)

I am an Indian and the head of the BCCI and MS PHONY need to go! Kohli should be fined for dissent as well as Dhoni. No DRS is a joke

And I'd like to apologize for R. Ashwin's apparent anger at Trott for sending Jadejas horrid delivery for 4. JT had every right to hit that garbage that was to bowled to him for four.

I used to part of the culture of denial and hubris, I can admit it. But the humble pie that was served to India in England and Aus really jolted my system. Now this beat down by England serves at the ultimate reminder that things need to change within Indian cricket and we are no longer in the top 3. We can't bowl, we can't field, and our batting isn't clicking. Indias golden age is over. It was short and sweet. The last 4-5 years were fun with a World Cup win and #1 in test cric. I just want to say thanks to legends of Indian cricket, Dravid, VVS, Kumble, and SRT. Sehwag and Zaheer at their peaks were great as well. But its time for a change, and time for fans to wake up

Posted by   on (December 16, 2012, 21:20 GMT)

And Stuart Broad was right in checking VVS Laxman's bat for vaseline...and Collingwood did right to drop jelly beans on the pitch...and Trott blew a kiss to Ishant Sharma??? Dude..you seriously need some thinking to do!!

Posted by InsideHedge on (December 16, 2012, 21:19 GMT)

@Nutcutlet: I don't think anyone is fully justifying BCCI's stance except members of BCCI, you're being unfair on those who have rightly pointed out that issues remain. No-one is saying that the BCCI will NEVER accept DRS, but it's good that someone is holding out for some improvements or at least discussions to take place.

Cost is a factor too but I'm sure that it can be sorted out. However, pls. note that when two countries such as Sri Lanka and Pak play each other in SL, it really has absolutely NOTHING to do with the BCCI. If then, they're unable to use DRS, don't blame the Indian nations and by extension every Indian citizen. It may sound like I'm exaggerating but there's a big difference between India and the BCCI, many of the rabid India haters on here delib fail to differentiate.

Posted by Patrick_ on (December 16, 2012, 21:17 GMT)

Yes, teams from subcontinent should not sledge, show dissent and should always play within the 'spirit of the game' while other teams can play within the 'laws' of the game.

On another note, DRS would have saved Pujara and Cook atleast twice in the series, and it is a pity the two best batsmen on series have to suffer due to bad umpiring. Hope DRS comes back after the big man SRT retires.

Posted by InsideHedge on (December 16, 2012, 21:11 GMT)

@rkannancrown : Agree 100%. I mentioned in an earlier comment (prolly not published by CricInfo as they have a quote on number of posts defending Indian cricket) about Trott and his disgraceful attempt to claim a catch in an earlier Test (I think it was in Mumbai). The only respectable journo who took Trott to task was Steve James of the Daily Telegraph.

There's clear bias amongst some of the English journos but unlike the rabid England fans here I won't be generalising and claiming ALL of them are biased. Last year during the home ODI series, David Lloyd (he of the "we murdered 'em fame) was quick to sweep the issue under the carpet with the classic "It's both sides" baloney.

Dobell and his mates have quickly sprung into action with a DRS headline. Give it a rest, will ya? The BCCI doesn't want to use it, and if you don't like it then by all means, don't play us - as the silly, immature fans wish - let's see where that gets you.

Posted by AliK. on (December 16, 2012, 21:10 GMT)

In this series, Cook is what Dhoni was when he took over the captaincy and led India to the World Cups, winning IPL along the way. But now Dhoni is what Ponting had become in his days as the captain, especially in his last days as the captain. Sadly, the sporting spirit of this team India too has degenerated like the Aussies' of pre-Clark days. I sincerely hope, Cook does not become the Dhoni of today...

Posted by InsideHedge on (December 16, 2012, 21:06 GMT)

@Kays789: What is it that makes you so angry? Surely not the performance of the Indian team, if I assume correctly that you're not an Indian fan. Therefore, we're left with the BCCI's position on DRS, and it's this position that makes you hate all Indian players/fans/admins en masse, eh? Wow, talk about generalising! If there wasn't so much hatred spouting from your KB, your comment would be hilarious but too often I read it here on Cricinfo.

I hope those Indian fans that are taking the opportunity to kick its own team take note of so-called cricket-lovers like you. Despite large numbers of Indian fans openly criticising their team and board, ppl like you come here and tar all Indian fans with the same brush. No wonder, you cannot find any reasons, you're part of the problem.

Posted by   on (December 16, 2012, 21:02 GMT)

I think the time has come for the BCCI to act sensibly and responsibly with regards to the UDRS. Being the most powerful cricket board on the planet doesn't mean acting selfishly coupled with ignorance and belligerence. Some degree of accountability and responsibility should also prevail. More so, the Indian public deserve justice. We the fans have had to put up with an autocratic system that only looks out for its self interests. Enough is enough ! It's time to act and time to move forward. Technology has always benefited mankind if used appropriately. The DRS is an useful tool and I am sure India would have been in a much better position had the system been implemented. Mr. Srinivasan and others in the BCCI are doing injustice to the sport and injustice to the Indian fans. Indian cricket has really hit the gallows and it's time to wake up. We the people DEMAND justice !!

Posted by Rahulbose on (December 16, 2012, 20:42 GMT)

Yes, how dare those Indians stand up to Englishmen. They should be banned for life, where is Chris broad when you need him. And oh lets do some more BCCI bashing with the same old DRS arguments.

Posted by Nerk on (December 16, 2012, 20:41 GMT)

Some of the umpiring wasn't poor, it was just a mistake.Indeed, Trott was shown by replays to be not out after all, an excellent decision by the umpire. Pujara was unlucky, sure, but I bet there was not one amongst us watching live that did not believe it was out. The T.V. commentators were wondering why Pujara was standing his ground so long. Then after a dozen replays, the same commentators were berating the umpire for a wrong decision. This just highlights the advantages of the DRS. The DRS is not there to punish poor umpiring, it is there to help umpires make the right decision.

Posted by johnathonjosephs on (December 16, 2012, 20:29 GMT)

BCCI was always acting childish by not accepting the UDRS system. They were playing a "politics" game when India was Number 1 in Tests and ODIs. After the last year with some disappointing cricket being played, it seems that most Indian fans have tuned out of the international cricket due to many politics played by senior members of the Indian team and the BCCI. Everybody has to grow up sometime in their life and I feel that UDRS may come to India in a very short while

Posted by   on (December 16, 2012, 20:28 GMT)

"and the subsequent end to the culture of hubris and denial - may be the best thing that could happen to India. " This writer has nailed the problem with Indian cricket as a whole the days of the poor developing nation being bullied by the old cricket powerhouses is over, India is world crickets financial powerhouse and not above doing a little bullying itself but to run back and hide behind the racisim and poor us castel every time you are beaten is just HYPOCRITICAL

Posted by InsideHedge on (December 16, 2012, 20:24 GMT)

@skilebow: I'm sure you understand it tho, right? And I'm pretty sure you're reading all the anti Indian venom with glee. It's difficult to respect any posters here who make comments such as "Shove your IPL up your backsides..." or "when (India) loses they want to blame the umpires" (as the reasoning for not wanting DRS).

By all means criticize, but use mature language and some solid arguments otherwise animosity will remain. Finally, @phoenixSteve claims India opposes DRS because of Tendulkar. I have yet to see any solid evidence of this. More likely, there is a power struggle regarding the cost and intelligence rights on the technology. There are also legitimate issues with the technology which the inventors have admitted to. These discussions need to take place in a mature fashion, hurling bricbats blindly at the Indian team, and its fans is not the way to go about it.

Posted by CandidIndian on (December 16, 2012, 20:22 GMT)

Excellent article ,all those horrible decisions results into useless controversies .India benefited a lot by DRS in World Cup so i don't know why BCCI opposes it so strongly.The main problem is that other teams are using DRS and they are learning how to use it properly much before than us,we will have to accept DRS sooner or later and then other teams will use it in better way.

Posted by CandidIndian on (December 16, 2012, 20:22 GMT)

Excellent article ,all those horrible decisions results into useless controversies .India benefited a lot by DRS in World Cup so i don't know why BCCI opposes it so strongly.The main problem is that other teams are using DRS and they are learning how to use it properly much before than us,we will have to accept DRS sooner or later and then other teams will use it in better way.

Posted by guptakapil13 on (December 16, 2012, 19:57 GMT)

Now, media hyped this series as revenge series, and somehow now players are to be blamed for the same. What we are seeing in this series an Indian team that has failed to apply itself at test level, an Indian team that's in transition, with Dravid, Laxman gone, Shewag, Gambhir & Tendulkar struggling and new guns still figuring out ways of test cricket. Bowlers, still can not understand roulette being played by selectors on this front, can't we just stick to a set of them and provide them with coaches and fitness consultants to perform. In this field we need to learn from SriLanka, who nurture a very small pool of players so well.........

Posted by sirviv on (December 16, 2012, 19:35 GMT)

When the rest of the world is using DRS, India is declining this technology. It only shows how heavily reliant they are on the batting... give them every chance of "not" being out. Sad really

Posted by Perceptive on (December 16, 2012, 19:32 GMT)

What many 'triumphant at beating teams at their lowest ebb' England fans forget is the sportsmanship India demonstrated with the Bell incident last year, (where Bell clearly knew he'd messed up). So ye of little understanding, there is a difference between entitlement and grace. Hence Ashwin's backing up point. That said, few national teams in global sport demonstrate less class (Bakhramov, jelly beans, Trott?) and celebrate mediocrity more than England. Enjoy bearing the worst Indian team for 30 years, as you did beating an aged Australian team in 2005 AT HOME!!

Well Done!!

Posted by RandyOZ on (December 16, 2012, 19:30 GMT)

When it comes to poor sportsmanship, it really is hard to split these two teams

Posted by dabhand on (December 16, 2012, 19:29 GMT)

If you don't want DRS - don't complain of you feel the umpire got it wrong. If you decide what type of wicket you want - don't complain if you lose. If you don't want test cricket - stick to T20 and give another country a go. If you treat T20 players like some form of great cricketer - don't be surprised if they begin to believe they are. But above all - India was once a terrific test playing nation, now it imports other nationalities for bish,bash, boff -- stop looking for excuses, the answer is there in front of you.

Posted by SamAsh07 on (December 16, 2012, 19:26 GMT)

And to think Kumar Dharmasena won Umpire of the Year, hah what a joke!

Posted by Maq003 on (December 16, 2012, 19:22 GMT)

@Yarkshire Pudding. Though I am Indian but I fully agreed what you wrote we need someone to blame for our poor performance like fast pitch, slow pitch, bouncy pitch poor umpiring and so on...... If DRS comes how can we blame Umpire and pressurized him to get decissions in our favour. Pooooooor cricket.

Posted by Alexk400 on (December 16, 2012, 19:17 GMT)

Dhoni and BCCI chief's were hypocrites when it comes to DRS. whole india cried and whined for 2008 bucknor fiasco but they do not want drs now because they can manipulate umpires through IPL money.For me Dhoni and BCCI chielf are wrong 100000000% for not allowing DRS. England completely outplayed india. India basically has to lick their wounds.

Posted by   on (December 16, 2012, 19:15 GMT)

The Indian team has been arrogant ever since they gained the number one test status. And the World Cup win was the final nail in the coffin. It is not just the team but everyone associated. Mahinder Amarnath exposed the BCCI attitude. With that kind of behavior, this had to happen. And I believe this is not the end. The Indian team will fall further before rising again.

Posted by   on (December 16, 2012, 19:12 GMT)

'disturbing'? are you kidding?? take it easy George Dobell, things like these happen in cricket. don't be so sensitive... oh by the way, Trott is not a saint himself. stop complaining...

Posted by Malret on (December 16, 2012, 19:12 GMT)

I think players need to respect the umpires and fellow players and losing one's temper is definitely not good at this level. Kohli is not setting a good example and his temper does not seem to bode well for someone who is likely to captain in the future. Winning comes later man, play the game in the right spirit. This goes for the BCCI as well. Their behaviour is not up to the mark.

Posted by mannan_ma on (December 16, 2012, 19:12 GMT)

Good work George.I quote George " To refuse it on the grounds that it is not perfect is like abandoning a seat belt because it cannot be guaranteed to save you". Ofcourse george is referring to the DRS here.The BCCI and some former players like Shastri who are on the payroll of BCCI don't find anything positive with DRS.They keep saying it is not perfect.Well nothing is perfect in this world.Yet we have to live and make the most of what we have.Rejection of DRS by BCCI is honestly baffling to say the least.Why is this such an issue with the board is difficult to understand.Technology may not be perfect ,however its use could have avoided such ugly scenes as seen on the fourth day.If BCCI does not fall in line with ICC policy on DRS then it is high time that ICC takes a tough stand on this and imposes its writ.Meanwhile India is at the receiving end of the non use of this technology.

Posted by crindex on (December 16, 2012, 19:07 GMT)

All you righteous men ! You would NOT be that righteous if it were Pakistan vs India. Remember the jellybean affair and wrong decisions gleefully taken at Lords against Dravid in 2011 in England by England? No one is righteous when it comes to cricket.

Posted by Nutcutlet on (December 16, 2012, 19:06 GMT)

I always like the use of a well-chosen analogy to explain a situation to someone who doesn't quite understand the point you're attempting to make. The wearing of the seat belt which, whilst not guaranteeing your safety in a car accident, is at least a positive step in the right direction.(Good analogy, IMO, George!) There is so much proof of the truth of this, that no one argues against it any more. But they did once! Back in the Dark Ages. Re: DRS, I'll now offer another, in a patient attempt to explain to those who read this stuff & are still firmly convinced that it's all faulty, troublesome & the BCCI is fully justified in its anti-DRS-stance. Let's take it that you're unwell. You go to the doctor. After examination, he says: you need a X Ray. It may not show everything we need to know, but IT WILL GIVE US A MUCH BETTER IDEA & tell us what we can rule out (or in) about yr condition. It's using technology; it misses some things but picks up most. Is better than the doc on his own!

Posted by 12thUmpire on (December 16, 2012, 18:56 GMT)

Was it Bucknor who lost his job for raising his finger against an Indian batsman? As is well-known, it takes a brave umpire to dismiss certain batsmen! Let's see how long it takes for the present umpire(s) to be declared persona non grata (and denied visa?)

Posted by   on (December 16, 2012, 18:53 GMT)

i don't even like to bother commenting about the match. when there's indian team there's always an issue. Mainly because lack of character in the younger players like Kohli,ashwin.

Posted by   on (December 16, 2012, 18:43 GMT)

The real reason why BCCI is opposed to DRS lies in the statistically proven fact that Umpires in close decisions favor India, specially when the game is in India. BCCI knows that its influence is growing, Umpires would not want to annoy the 'biggest goon" in Cricket. India's resistance to DRS is not based on logic or science or respect for Umpires. It is simply based on a feudal, a mafia mindset. BCCI wants to have unfair advantage, it wants to be in position to influence umpiring decisions in India's favor, rightly or not. England-India series has once again proven the above hypothesis. In my opinion, if there had been DRS universally implemented, India would have never been achieved #1 Test Team. India always benefited from Umpiring 'errors' unfairly in India, thus their unbeaten record since 2004. Look at their record outside India.

Posted by   on (December 16, 2012, 18:41 GMT)

India are reaping the fruits of their short-sightedness. Refusing to accept the DRS has come back to bite them. I hope the match referee throws the book at them; they deserve it! One wonders if the high and mighty BCCI will even protest the match referee's decision.

Posted by shillingsworth on (December 16, 2012, 18:33 GMT)

@cgs2606 - Most Cricinfo articles covering this series have mentioned poor umpiring since, without DRS, it has been virtually a daily occurrence. What is your point?

Posted by Advin on (December 16, 2012, 18:32 GMT)

i am an Indian fan and i am furious at the BCCI refusing DRS in this series.All these unnecessary controversies could have been avoided if BCCI were to agree to what every other board is happy to go along with.

Mr.Srinivasan , imagine that you were to go through a surgery .Would you chose to go through with a procedure that is old and prone to error or would you prefer a significantly improved procedure but which is not yet 100% perfect?

Posted by   on (December 16, 2012, 18:32 GMT)

got to say the standard of umpiring in the series as a whole hasn't been great, i'm a firm believer in the DRS and it does help the standard of umpiring overall and ensures (most of the time) that the right decision is made. Anything that increases the chance of getting the right decision can only be viewed as a good thing.

Posted by   on (December 16, 2012, 18:30 GMT)

Bunch of crude street fighters Dhon,i Kohli and the newbie Jadeja A far cry from Dravid,Laxman and even Azhar who carried themselves in true spirit of the game without giving a quarter to the opposition Wonder what Jadeja or Dhoni would have done if they had received a bum ball like that One hopes they are appropriately censured for their behavior

Posted by rajattiwaari on (December 16, 2012, 18:25 GMT)

If virat gets fined it would be another instance of double standards in international cricket. I have never seen an english,australian or south african player being fined for sledging. Last year,when ENG toured IND, Finn and dernbach behaved in the most pathetic manner possible. yet they walked away without being punished. Why these writers suddenly wakeup when indian players sledge??

Posted by rkannancrown on (December 16, 2012, 18:17 GMT)

It is a telling comment on the bias of the writer & Cricinfo that comments are made when Indians behave badly. When the English team behaved wrongly, there is an acceptance that they are allowed to behave badly.Equally importantly, DRS would not have resolved the Trott caught behind issue.The players involved wre convinced that Trott got an edge. The absence of a clear verdict by DRS would only have exposed the limitations of DRS.

Posted by Kays789 on (December 16, 2012, 18:12 GMT)

often times i try to find reasons that would justify the actions of indian players/fans/administrators but i never could. it is beyond staggering how disgraceful their actions/comments are. had it been a different sport or a different country with much less clout they would've been completely shunned from the game. is there any wonder then why no one else in world cricket except their own 'fans' actually likes indian cricket? the amount of hypocrisy and contradiction in indian cricket surrounding this whole DRS issue is just outrageously hilarious!

Posted by jay123xyz on (December 16, 2012, 18:07 GMT)

Listening to the channel 9 commentary team in the Aus vs. Srilanka match, an interesting debate is going on for the use of DRS. Teams are using it as a tactic to review decisions of important batsmen (example: Mathews and Jayawardene used it to review theirs while it was clearly out) and Herath later got a howler and was not able to use DRS because the reviews were used up. I think the ICC needs to analyze why DRS was introduced into the first place - To prevent bad umpiring errors from being made. In that case, I completely agree with Channel 9 commentary team - it should be left in the control of umpires; if third umpire sees a howler, he should be able to immediately stop the game and reverse the decision; if an umpire is not sure of a decision himself, then he can go upstairs to review it. I am not supporting that India is right in not accepting the DRS. However, at this stage,the DRS is having process flaws, it doesn't make a case for us arguing that one way or the other.

Posted by   on (December 16, 2012, 18:05 GMT)

DRS may not be perfect but it is better than having nothing. India can't whine about the umpiring decisions.that's precisely why the use of DRS is in place,and they refused to allow it.end of story.

Posted by   on (December 16, 2012, 18:02 GMT)

God save India if Virat Kohli becomes a role model for youngsters! Unsporting, uncouth behaviour is all one can expect from these guys.

Cricinfo should run a survey about which is the best-to-worst team in world cricket as far as Fair Play is concerned. Poll only umpires who have been there in matches over the last 5 years...would not at all be surprised if the results put India at the bottom of the table

Posted by cricindia4life on (December 16, 2012, 17:57 GMT)

DRS in its current process is useless and a waste of money. If the true aim is to get rid of poor decisions, then putting a limit on the number of referrals is mindnumbingly stupid. On the other hand, if every decision is challenged by the players, what's the point of an umpire being there; everything about cricket can be decided using technology. Alternatively, if the decision to review or not is left to the umpires, more often than not, a decision will be reviewed. Think about what happened to runout decisions...even crystal clear decisions are taken up to the third umpire. Is natural for umpires to double check their answers when so many people are scrutinizing every decision they make. So whether or not DRS is an adequate system for marginal decisions is not an issue here. It's simple logic.

Posted by   on (December 16, 2012, 17:56 GMT)

"If you don't have faith in the umpire - which itself is a contradiction, as in cricket the umpire's verdict is final - if a player shows dissent you fine him," he said. "But now you're saying that I have two attempts to question the umpire's decision."

What utter piece of horse manure, if my memory serves me right wasn't it BCCI who were responsible for ending Steve Bucknor's career. An umpire considered one of he best for over a decade, but had one bad series and they call for his scalp!! what ever happened to "having faith in umpires" back then , I am pretty sure BCCI wished they had DRS back then.

Posted by westindian_fan on (December 16, 2012, 17:56 GMT)

Firstly, the entire test series (the ongoing match in particular) saw umpiring decisions going against England, not against India. Cook, who's in the form of his life, was given out in both the innings when he was clearly not out. Even Cricinfo has referred to it as atrocious decision by Dharmasena.

Now, in the second innings, actually, England is in a bad position. Reason: Dharmasena again. For having given Cook out.

Hadn't he given that out, Engalnd would've been somewhere around 250 plus for the loss of 1 wicket or so. They would've added another 100+ runs on the 5th day and declared. And India would've lost, which would've resulted in 3:1. Now I'm ( like millions of others also i guess) suspecting that the BCCI would've bribed the umpires to win. It's ridiculous to see Indian players complaining about Trott.

BCCI is screwing world cricket with its financial power. It will always be against DRS, bcoz if DRS comes into play, they can't influence decisions. (pls publish)

Posted by   on (December 16, 2012, 17:52 GMT)

It looks like cricinfo has already promoting the drs system .cricinfo should understand one thing bcci is bigger than cric info and all the boards combined together .australia and England has made rules and regulations irrespective of others .now it's the turn of bcci.if Indian team doesn't come. There would be no revenue for their boards .look at the current Australia series the attendance is below par and the big bash is a total failure . At cricinfo it's time to wake up from dream of drs .it doesn't matter if some Tom , dick and Harry say drs is compulsory.it only happens if bcci say so.in short even if cricinfo gave articles supporting drs for another 50 years nothing is gone happen .if bcci say yes it is yes if it's say no its no.u don't have any choice .

Posted by   on (December 16, 2012, 17:45 GMT)

what is wrong with hitting a no ball for a boundary? totally lame excuse. i used to love team india before they started becoming arrogantly foolish. the old bunch leaving Ganguly out, were such gentlemen. Dravid, Tendulkar, Kumble were great assets. the current team will lose more games and its their arrogance they have to blame. BCCI with its IPL too have ruined cricket. you need basic cricket. t20 like street cricket is no basic cricket.

Posted by   on (December 16, 2012, 17:44 GMT)

@wakaPak spirit of the game at least by subcontinent standards!!! So there is a difference between subcontinent cricket and everywhere else cricket? Trott had every right to go for the delivery as stipulated in the rules of the game. Even Dholi and the bowler found it funny. As to the pitches - the home side has every right to set the standards of the pitch that both teams will play on. This has been the norm since the first test match and will continue be the case for every test that is played in the future. As for DRS, Nasser Hussain for Sky Sports showed 10 dismissals (for both sides) that would have been overturned had DRS was in use. Too much pressure on the umpire and they have made on of the best umpires, Aleem Dar, to be second rate. They want DRS and every team accept India wants to use DRS and most of all the PUBLIC want to see DRS in use!!

Posted by   on (December 16, 2012, 17:36 GMT)

Waiting for this game to be over...pls no more matches in nagpur. enough of it. It is a disdain to the game of cricket.

Posted by waheed1233 on (December 16, 2012, 17:32 GMT)

Piece of advice for india: grow up little kids. if you can't, leave the place for the men to play the game. crying in the field for not being able to match with quality teams is not an option. a big lol for ashwin trying to justify the anger, they were angry coz Trott were hitting them all around the park...lol....

Posted by SixoverSlips on (December 16, 2012, 17:28 GMT)

Non-sense. Much ado about nothing!

Posted by Edassery on (December 16, 2012, 17:22 GMT)

Although I am an Indian, I would like to comment that through out the series the English team under their gentleman captain has lived the game ethics to the fullest. They have been confident, didn't beat around the bush in the press and were focused on their goal.

The Indians on the other hand started off with declaring the test matches as a revenge series, performed poorly and reverted to childish tantrums like we witnessed today. Shame on you my countrymen! The fans are with you only as long as you play hard and focus on game ethics.

Posted by willsrustynuts on (December 16, 2012, 17:19 GMT)

Spot on Georgie boy. When I was a schoolboy arguments about sport were usually settled with a 'its my ball and we will play it my way' approach. As I grew up I came to understand that that is not how sport is played by adults. The BCCI and their motley crew of celebs (sorry players) need to learn that lesson quick.

Posted by cgs2606 on (December 16, 2012, 17:13 GMT)

Why don't Cricinfo publish an article about poor umpiring throughout the series?

Posted by phoenixsteve on (December 16, 2012, 17:08 GMT)

India didn't wish to have the UDRS system in place and seem to be opposed to new technology. It has been rumoured that Tendulkar is the main critic of DRS so his impending 'de-selection' might clear the way? Dhoni wished to have pitches his way - which he is quite entitled to. The lesson from both of these wishes is "be careful what yoiu wish for"! Kholi in particualr is in danger of detracting from his huge talent by showing his petulent sulkiness! Judging by what I've seen in the past 8 or swo Indian encounters with England, they have plenty more defeats to come and much more humble pie to eat? COME ON ENGLAND!!!

Posted by mxnmxn on (December 16, 2012, 17:07 GMT)

BCCI is always wrong. It the only reason why Indian cricket players are so unduly aggressive. These people are playing power game more than controlling a game of cricket. As a true (Indian) cricket fan, i feel the agony of many others. 1. No more IPL. Enough! 2. Dhoni should not be captain. For that matter, a wicket keeper should not be a captain. His main job is to keep wicket and follow duty of nightwatchman. 3. There is no god. Player should be included or rested based on his performance. 4. It is mandatory to have three pace bowlers (i know you are smiling) in the team. 5. Fielding performance should be considered seriously. It shows involvement in the game.

Posted by   on (December 16, 2012, 17:01 GMT)

Technology can only be improved the more it's used....the BCCI need to grow up and accept it instead of trying to ruin the game with unplayable wickets. On top of the that..the people that run the game, namely the ICC, should also grow a pair and stand up to these bullies who think THEY run the game. Shove your IPL up your backsides and get back to proper cricket.

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (December 16, 2012, 16:54 GMT)

I am in favour of DRS, it helps stamp out these incidents, on both sides and is the same for both teams. umpires have an accuracy of around 85-90% which is pretty high considering they only have one chance to see the delivery and have to make a decision then and there. If DRS helps improve accuracy to 95% we should be embracing it, that means 1 in 20 decisions will be wrong or inconclusive in which case it stays with the on field umpire.

The only reason the BCCI is against it is that when they lose they have no-one to blame, in the past they could hound out umpires who had an off day.

I really hope the BCCI throw the book at Dhoni and Kholi banning them for 5 games and fining them heavily. They should also be made to publically apologise to Trott.

Posted by sadha1972 on (December 16, 2012, 16:52 GMT)

what a bunch of highly paid,overated,spoilt,unprofessional losers.kohli for all his talent is a spoilt brat that doesnt know how to behave.amazingly he hasnt learned anything from such great humanbeings like dravid,tendulkar and gary kirsten.being an indian it pains me to say that im happy that india deserve to lose.

Posted by skilebow on (December 16, 2012, 16:47 GMT)

@InsideHedge I don't think you really understand what this article is about

Posted by   on (December 16, 2012, 16:38 GMT)

I'll say this once and I'll say it again regarding India's DRS policy: Sydney 2008. Weren't talking about respecting the umpire's decisions and not using technology back then, eh?

Posted by no_second_chance_for_batsman on (December 16, 2012, 16:36 GMT)

ICC has to step up & not get bullied by BCCI. I have lost interest in watching cricket with no DRS! A player like Cook or Pujara can change the complexion of the game it self...Players of these quality getting harsh decision due to lack of DRS! ..What a shame & loss to the game....Its up to ICC to step up!...cheers, kumar

Posted by   on (December 16, 2012, 16:28 GMT)

hitting that jadeja delivery was as against spirit of cricket as it is to manked a batsman out. both are still within the rule of play.

Posted by   on (December 16, 2012, 16:26 GMT)

Wonder how Srinivasan felt back after the Sydney 2008 circus.....

Posted by wakaPAK on (December 16, 2012, 16:24 GMT)

While that was a legal shot from Trott off Jadeja but that wasn't in the spirit of the game at least by subcontinent standards but then again if you make a pitch like this where scoring runs is so hard, you get frustrated as a batsman and Trott was frustrated for all the right reasons on the other hand Dhoni and Co(hly) were frustrated too but for the wrong reasons. Ithink the spirit of the game should have been upheld when Dhoni asked for tailor made pitches; charity begins at home. I remember depending DRS on Cricinfo before when it started by the same seat belt example. If DRS was there in 80's, Sunil Gavaskar wouldn't have made a joke of himself on that day when he asked the non-striker to walk out in protest of umpire's decison; I wonder what is his take on DRS. I dont know why is India against DRS? I think they just wrongly took a stand but now they can not back up because they can not accept that the can be wrong?

Posted by Longmemory on (December 16, 2012, 16:24 GMT)

Here is what I earnestly hope for: that Sachin gets a horrible umpiring error sawing him off in his final innings in test cricket. And one that everyone recognizes would have been overturned had DRS been in place. That would be poetic justice and bring everyone opposed to DRS to realize that the best is not always the enemy of the bad. India has no leg to stand on in complaining about umpiring errors. We (or more accurately, our Board) have steadfastly opposed DRS and its no use whingeing now.

Posted by cricrasik on (December 16, 2012, 16:21 GMT)

Trott was well within his rights to score off that ball. True. Wasn't Ashwin within his rights to run out the non striker when he was backing up too far? Why does everyone scream that its against the spirit of cricket when the law clearly staes you can. What about Bell's reprieve during India tour of England. Wasn't it against the spirit to ask India to withdraw the appeal when Bell was run out because of his own idiocy? When two teams are fighting it out in the middle tempers are bound to flare. Lets not make a mountain out of a mole hill just to fill column inches.

As for the DRS, one of these days ICC will grow a pair and make it mandatory. If you re scared of the school bully your lunch money will never be safe. Ask the ICC to show some leadership and stand up to the BCCI.

Posted by   on (December 16, 2012, 16:21 GMT)

very dissapointing regarding the behaviour of Koli... he may be a brilliant batsmen but his behaviour is a shame..... shame on players of the caliber of sachin, dravid

Posted by yorkshirematt on (December 16, 2012, 16:18 GMT)

@ Madan singh Well said. At least one of your countrymen sees sense

Posted by 200ondebut on (December 16, 2012, 16:13 GMT)

DRS is of course the answer to all of this. With the ability to review you don't need OTT appeals - indeed perhaps the umpires should refuse any appeal that is designed to try and intimidate them.

The behaviour of the Indians doesn't surprise me - but they are no different than the likes of Ponting, Broad, Smith - all who seem to have a complete lack of dignity.

Posted by Hellboy82 on (December 16, 2012, 16:10 GMT)

This team and administration is a disgrace for indian cricket. Opposing DRS and then questioning umpire's decision. England cannot be blamed for expressing displeasure, since they are in favor of DRS.

Posted by peter56 on (December 16, 2012, 16:09 GMT)

Alastair cook got 2 shockers in this match, but luck does have a habit of evening itself out, remember Cook was plumb LBW on 41 in the second innings of the first test, and was given not out. and then went on to add another 135 runs. Then he benefitted by 173 runs in the third test after being badly dropped in the slips so thats 308 extra runs.So I think he would settle for how things went for him overall with the bat in this series.

Posted by InsideHedge on (December 16, 2012, 16:07 GMT)

It always amuses me when I read of India's critics (God knows there's plenty on CricInfo) demand that all other Test nations STOP playing India if it continues to refuse the use of DRS.

I'd love to see them try. The feeling is very mutual and it just may allow some of these critics time for some good old fashioned "food for thought".

Posted by 2.14istherunrate on (December 16, 2012, 16:04 GMT)

Not only is it DRS which is attracting comment in India in terms of running the game but also the highly questionable breaks in the game for unscheduled drinks breaks etc. This is in the umpires' hands completely as are all matters of smooth conduct of a game and here to add to the already considerable impression of slowness in the game there are breaks which seem to question whether there is a game going on at all. !0 minute breaks in play should inspire people to ask for refunds as they are cheated out of what they paid for. The disruptions would be farcfical if they were not so boring. Everyone needs a quick drink in India more often than every hour but it is not impossible to arrange without a general intermission such as rotation of fielders on the fences and a 12th man operating drinks' service on eiither side. Batsmen could be served by fast running 12th men between overs in a non disruptive way. After all the main attraction is cricket not lounging around on the ground.

Posted by tapooori on (December 16, 2012, 16:04 GMT)

DRS may not be perfect and probably will never be perfect as it works on assumptions, however, with almost 80% correct assumptions it serves the game better than worse. Technology is not suppose to take over human contributions or decisions, it is available to aide their decisions. It is there to identify the mistakes made by humans and to correct them. It also increases the level of trust among the human beings.

Come to DRS, it is a reality and soon will be adopted by almost all the countries (India??). Past series' with DRS went through without any incidents and ended on a very high notes among the players, spectators, and even between the boards/countries. Problem with BCCI, it is not managed by players, it is managed by the politicians or businessmen, and their approach is always the benefit for them and not for the game.

Time has come for Indian people to decide whether or not DRS is good for the game. It is the interest of Indian nation which made BCCI so rich and strong.

Posted by InsideHedge on (December 16, 2012, 16:02 GMT)

England are clever at using little tricks that just stay on the side of legality. One example is the bowler standing his ground after delivering and ensuring that the batsman has to do all the work in running around him. This is acceptable but the batsman shouldn't have to avoid the bowler when he's returning to the striker's end with his 2nd run - something that Richie Benaud stated many moons ago during his commentary stint.

When Dhoni was run out attempting a single, Anderson was determined not to move, and well within his rights. Indian bowlers lack the smarts in this same scenario, they will obligingly get out of the way. We even saw Ishant Sharma apologising unnecessarily to Bresnan for bumping into him when the onus was on Bresnan to avoid Sharma. Anyone else notice that? Yet Bresnan had that sour look on his face as if he had been wronged.

Posted by o-bomb on (December 16, 2012, 15:59 GMT)

On the chat during the game and on the comments for it seems every day of this match various members of each set of fans is claiming to be on the worse side of the umpiring decisions. Clearly the players are not happy with umpiring decisions (Cook shaking his head walking off, Dhoni & Kohli's disrespectful behaviour etc.). If ever there was a compelling arguement to include the DRS we have seen it during this series. I'm amazed the BCCI continues to oppose it. That decision is the cause of more bad temper in this series than any other.

Posted by InsideHedge on (December 16, 2012, 15:54 GMT)

@Front-Foot-Lunge: I suggest you view the last ODI series between two sides for examples of blatantly poor behaviour by England players. You couldn't be more wrong but then you're obv deluded with claims of Eng being streets ahead of Australia for an "age". What's your definition of "an age"? One series?

Posted by 2.14istherunrate on (December 16, 2012, 15:53 GMT)

it is important to remember that DRS is fairly new, and while it seems to have caught on in most places as a popular and redemptive aspect of the game, umpires have been making decisions for a very long time-on their own. Of course an umpire such as Dickie Bird, whilst bearing an authority in the game, was seldom quick to raise the finger for lbw's and until Assad Rauf turned up, lbw's for spinners were rare as hen's teeth. Most problematic of course were bat pad decisions off spinners- most prevalent in the subcontinent. We have seen in this series not a return to previously respected standards but a departure from even half credible decision making. Strangely Aleem dar, who is respected had a shocker in Mumbai. And in his tests Dharmasena, a less respected figure except when politics demand, has had two shockers in India. if the BCCI think DRS undermines the umpire's authority, what on earth do these shockers do? Most village umpires are as good as Dharma. India need DRS most.

Posted by InsideHedge on (December 16, 2012, 15:51 GMT)

George, both you and your colleagues have banged on about DRS for far too long. Did you complain about its absence when Cook was plumb LBW early in two innings where he went onto score big hundreds? It's obvious you've been waiting for the Indians to complain so you can bring up DRS. India are not using it and the ICC has stipulated that it's a bilateral decision, so end of. Finally, there are many series between two nations who claim to support DRS and still don't use it. You would be better off discussing these situations rather than jumping on every opportunity to criticize India's board and its players.

Posted by Prabhash1985 on (December 16, 2012, 15:50 GMT)

I remember a boxing match I watched, when I see this. The player who scored less, tried to be over aggressive and didn't even obey the referee as he wanted to knock down the opposition. Same situation here.

Posted by   on (December 16, 2012, 15:48 GMT)

My view is, imperfect technology or not, DRS MUST be accepted by all countries. I remember the debate at the time the 3rd Ump was being introduced. The same reasons was being trotted out, including undermining the authority of the umpire. As regards the dissent shown by Indian players, strong steps should be taken to ensure that such dissent is not repeated. Punishment should be exemplary. About the ball that bounced three times and passed somewhat wide, Ashwin has no grounds for complaint and Trott was entirely within his rights to attempt to score from a 'properly delivered' ball. Don't agree with some statements claiming Trott's action was 'in bad taste'. We seem to be developing some funny ideas about what should be or should not be done on the cricket field, even when the matter is entirely covered by the rules.

Posted by hassaanster on (December 16, 2012, 15:45 GMT)

this is what you get to see on the field when players go unpunished for arguing with the match officials...who can forget ponting and siddle's behavior and finger pointing at aleem dar a couple of years back...both ponting and siddle got away without being banned for acting like school kids...and i wont be surprised if kohli and dhoni get away with it too...they afterall play for india/bcci...and in a few years time we will get to see more and more of this...players with the amount of money they make dont really care about fines anymore

Posted by Front-Foot-Lunge on (December 16, 2012, 15:39 GMT)

Notice the gulf in class and skill between England and India: That's why England are winning and proving themselves far superior.

Notice also that English players never do what India did today, gathering around and hounding the umpire, even when Trott was clearly NOT OUT.

It's a sad fact that this is all India have left: Angry, over-paid and overweight players kicking and screaming like Ricky Ponting used to do, whenever things don't go their way. England have spent the last few years, an age in fact, being streets ahead of the likes of Australia and everyone apart from South Africa. India are on the decline, yes, but they have been totally destroyed by the better team. Take a bow England, at least you never stoop to levels of un-sportsmanlike behavior like this. You are the true leaders of world cricket.

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