Delhi v England XI, tour match, Delhi

Dhawan ton inflicts second defeat for England

The Report by Amit Shetty

January 8, 2013

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Delhi 295 for 4 (Dhawan 110, Milind 78*, Tredwell 2-49) beat England XI 294 for 5 (Bell 108, Morgan 52, Sood 3-45) by six wickets
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Shikhar Dhawan plays one through the off side, North Zone v West Zone, Duleep Trophy, 1st day, Chennai, October 6, 2012
Shikhar Dhawan's hundred led Delhi to a shock win against the England tourists © K Sivaraman
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England suffered their second successive defeat in a tour game as their bowlers failed to defend 295 against Delhi at the Kotla in seemingly bowling-friendly conditions. The ineffectiveness of the bowlers against a side possessing only a couple of known players is a worrying sign for Ashley Giles, the coach, ahead of the first ODI that begins in three days' time on a likely flat track in Rajkot.

Choosing to bat first, the England batting clicked after they had collapsed to 175 all out in the previous warm-up match. Ian Bell followed up his 91 against India A with a century that helped other players to attack around him and post a daunting 294. However, they were not prepared for a backlash from Shikhar Dhawan, the Delhi opener, whose aggressive hundred set the tone for the other batsmen as Delhi overhauled the target comfortably in the penultimate over.

While Bell's innings had been scratchy, Dhawan's was dominating right through. Whether it was Jade Dernbach, Stuart Meaker, Steven Finn or Chris Woakes, Dhawan played freely against them all. He drove majestically and was quick to pull anything short, the extra pace offered by the England bowlers suiting his strokeplay. When Meaker pitched short to him, he pulled one deep into the stands at midwicket for one of his three sixes.

Dhawan, who has been on the fringes of India selection for sometime, also staked his claim for the opener's role in the national XI. Virender Sehwag, India's regular opener, has already been dropped and Gautam Gambhir's position at the top isn't any firmer.

His 100 came off 98 balls with a slog-swept six off Tredwell. Dhawan also found solid support from 21-year-old batsman Milind Kumar, who remained unbeaten on 78.

The Delhi batsmen, though, were helped by some wayward bowling by the England bowlers, who were also a touch short throughout the innings. The seamers were taken for 188 runs in 30.3 overs on a track where the India and Pakistan fast bowlers found help a couple of days ago.

James Tredwell, deputising for the rested Graeme Swann, accepted that England needed to improve markedly in the opening ODI against India in Friday.

"It's obviously not been ideal," he said. "We like to go in and win these games but we've not hit our skills in the way we'd have liked. We need to make some improvements in the next couple of days. We didn't hit our lengths consistently enough to build pressure over periods of time.

"The result is irrelevent, but to be able to turn it around in the next couple of days going into the first ODI is crucial. We all have massive pride in our performances so when things don't go to plan it's disappointing. We can build on that disappointment and put it right going into the first game."

While the bowling attack suffered, England's experienced batsmen made most of their time in the middle. Apart from Bell, three other batsmen - Alastair Cook, Eoin Morgan and Craig Keiswetter - made useful contributions and got the much-needed batting practice ahead of the five-match series.

Bell, who opened the batting along with Cook, looked uncomfortable initially as the ball didn't come on to the bat and seamer Parwinder Awana troubled him with a tight line outside off. But he saw through the period by dropping anchor at his end and letting Cook play aggressively.

Cook, the England captain, was in good touch and two of his shots - a cover drive and a backfoot punch through cover-point - both off Awana, stood out. He scored 44 before seamer Sumit Narwal breached his defence, but an opening stand of 70 had already given the visitors a good start.

Although Joe Root and Samit Patel missed out, Morgan and Kieswetter attacked in the latter half of the innings, scoring 52 and 41 respectively, to put up a strong total. The bowling today, however, let the advantage slip through.

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Posted by Al_Bundy1 on (January 11, 2013, 4:05 GMT)

@MAR00N5 - Delhi side won against England because big names like Sehwag, Gambhir, and Kohli did not play. If those 3 had played instead of Dhawan, Chand, and Milind, Delhi would have lost by a huge margin.

Posted by A_Vacant_Slip on (January 10, 2013, 19:48 GMT)

@JG2704 hello mate. H111 - whatever next!? This h must stand for Hideous yes? :-)

Posted by jango_moh on (January 10, 2013, 19:20 GMT)

i hope the selectors open their eyes and atleast drop gambhir... how many times do u need to fail to be dropped!!! i think the indian batting will come through in time, even in tests eventually!! and i think there's actually some good prospects in terms of pace bowling too... B kumar, ahmed, ishanth sharma, ofcourse yadav, pathan and a few others like awana, varun aron (if fit).... its the spinners that im worried about, no real super talent there.. ashwin is good for shorter format, i think he can be good in tests if he can be consistent and not try 100 things!!! nywys, hope ind wins this series... best of luck to both teams, eng def has a chance given the current state of ind....

Posted by JG2704 on (January 10, 2013, 17:14 GMT)

@Meety on (January 10 2013, 00:58 AM GMT) PS- To be fair to H111 (who I rarely agree with and has the most inapt user name ever) , there were no whitewash predictions. In fact I remember clearly H111 saying against the Whitewash/Thrashing predictions he/she thought it would be a tight series

Posted by JG2704 on (January 10, 2013, 17:13 GMT)

@Sirviv - It's a difficult one. Patel is batting way too high at 3 or even 4 for me. This time last year he was trusted to bowl 10 overs or at least 7 or 8. To me his batting isn't good enough if he's only bowling a few overs per game. One Ind fan said these were good pitches for pacers so maybe we have got the balance ok (although I'm not totally convinced) and we're just not bowling well. Even if it's a pitch helpful to pace they still have to bowl it in the right places and from what I've seen in shorter formats recently very few have done this. If it were up to me I'd consider trying to fit Wright into the side for a batsman and then Briggs for one of our Patel.That way we have 3 specialist quicks , 2 specialist spinners and a spare medium/fast option. Obviously we could bring Briggs in for Patel but if one of our bowlers has a mare we have no fill ins

Posted by JG2704 on (January 10, 2013, 17:08 GMT)

@MAR00N5 on (January 10 2013, 13:45 PM GMT) Let's see what happens. None of us were saying for sure that our team would have won with our absentees and no one is saying this is a good performance either. India probably will start as favourites and may well win by whitewash but if they do , so what? But we had plenty of derogatory comments pre test series and after the 1st test. At the end most of the posters had disappeared.BTW I don't think anyone would have Monty or Broad in the ODI side right now anyway. PS funny that an Indian fan (a country whose population is hugely greater and where cricket is the number 1 sport) should mock any other team for underachieving after the last 12 months you've had

Posted by Mitch1066 on (January 10, 2013, 16:43 GMT)

Team should be 1 cook 2 bell 3 pietersen 4 Morgan 5 Patel 6 kieswetter 7 Bresnan 8 meaker 9 Briggs 10 tremlett 11 Finn

Posted by 30-30-150 on (January 10, 2013, 13:45 GMT)

Some of the comments by English fans tell me that England can't even compete without their regular Test players like Panesar, Broad, Swann etc.. Hello!? This is not an international team. It's an inexperienced Delhi team who haven't even played enough first-class games. Couple of them haven't still made their first-class debuts LOL.

Posted by 30-30-150 on (January 10, 2013, 13:38 GMT)

@A_Vacant_Slip - Even if it is a half-strong English side, isn't it embarrassing for them to lose to a domestic team having as many as 5 players who have played less than 10 first-class matches? This wasn't even the regular Delhi team!

Posted by JG2704 on (January 10, 2013, 12:52 GMT)

@Meety on (January 10 2013, 04:47 AM GMT) Yeah , I noticed Siddle did better vs SA but while I agree that UAE wasn't as hard to take wickets in for a pacer and SL and India weren't the greatest sides they will still always be harder to take wickets against in their back yards rather than at home and the fact is 35 of Sid's wickets were at home against 2 of the worst nations (in the last year) playing against pace away recently. Anyway , I wouldn't have had a problem with Jimmy being selected before Sid or vice versa.

Posted by Front-Foot-Lunge on (January 10, 2013, 10:48 GMT)

@Kolpak1989, Love reading your comments trying to salvage some Australian pride at a time they're languishing far below England, like they have done for five long years. I'd suggest a new wicket-keeper fast, and a the job as spinner given to someone who can actually turn the ball, for starters. I'll spare you a comparison with the English test team.

Posted by A_Vacant_Slip on (January 10, 2013, 9:40 GMT)

Look like all the keyboard warrior + the clueless brigade are back. See that England have rested their key test players from this little India tour. If anyone think this is full-strength England ODI team here in India then they are very much mistaken - just as they were very much mistaken in India in 2011 and 2012. You see - England takes Test match most seriously of all because this is true indicator of cricket prowess. Always was always will be. Keyboard warrior want to believe differently because they just lost test series to England home and away but the truth is that if England authorities were taking this little jaunt to India seriously then they would send full strength team. Sorry but it is a fact - England are RESTING their top players. Trott, Anderson, Swann, etc. They are not injured. This may be hard for certain people who think India is the centre of the universe to understand - but this ODI India tour is not a priority for England.

Posted by Kolpak1989 on (January 10, 2013, 5:24 GMT)

The English bowling must have been complete rubbish for them to lose with 294 on the board! I wonder whether the terrible form that England has taken into the warm up matches will transpose into the actual ODI's. The impotence of the English attack certainly makes the Ashes a more salivating prospect for Australian fans like myself.

Love reading Front-Foot-Lunge's desperate rubbishing of Australia after we just whitewashed Sri Lanka in a test series, especially since England failed to win their test series against the same 'minnows' earlier in 2012. Now the Poms are losing to Ranji Trophy sides and India A! Might be time to send the English talent scouts back to Cape Town.

Posted by Meety on (January 10, 2013, 4:47 GMT)

@ JG2704 on (January 09 2013, 10:11 AM GMT) - tried to respond to you earlier re: Siddle v Anderson. Did a big response, & now can't be bothered going into the detail again - LOL! 1) Agree that bowling conditions were probably perceived to be tougher. I will say though, that the UAE was not quite the usual SC pitches, did a lot more than on other occasions + Paki batsmen are a bit variable. Siddle in one less test took as many wickets as Anderson v Sth Africa though (if you assume that taking World #1 wickets have a premium) at a marginally better average & significantly better S/Rate. I would say that the conditions Siddle bowled in were significantly harder bowling-wise than what Phillander got in NZ (check the scorecards there) & head to head at the Gabba - Phillander looked useless. IMO - Anderson got the nod for "subjective" reasons against the superior cold stats that Siddle had. I think currently in world cricket, Siddle must be the most underrated Test bowler in the world.

Posted by Meety on (January 10, 2013, 0:58 GMT)

@Harmony111 on (January 08 2013, 16:55 PM GMT) - yay you're back! I couldn't see any of your comms during the 2nd, 3rd & 4th Test in India recently - I wonder why? I s'pose, this is sufficient time to forget that England won, & you can start thumping your chest soon! I mean the test series was so last year! @Jose Puliampatta on (January 09 2013, 11:47 AM GMT) - you are so right - FFL is one in the same, at times he WISHES with all his might (like OzzyHammond), that he was an Ozzy! Unfortunately only some of us are lucky to be born in the lucky country!

Posted by balajik1968 on (January 10, 2013, 0:07 GMT)

Let's not read too much into this. This is just a warm up match. I would personally put England as favourites simply because they have a more settled team as opposed to India, which is going through a phase of intense turmoil one last saw in 1999-2000. Frankly I am amazed to see Gambhir still in the squad, though that may be because the selectors want some experience at the opening.

Posted by Al_Bundy1 on (January 9, 2013, 23:08 GMT)

Agree with @Nampally - Indian Selectors should have made some more changes in batting. When your top 5 batsmen fail time and again - you don't play them and expect a different result - that would be insane! Gambhir and Rohit have had enough chances - they need to go. It's time to try Dhawan/Mukund/Jaffer. Thanks to the 2 new pacers - our pace bowling is in good hands.

Posted by SirViv1973 on (January 9, 2013, 23:07 GMT)

@JG, I agree our bowling doesn't look too hot here. I'm also not convinced about the balance of the attack for ind conditions. At home using 4 specialist seamers & 1 spin worked well last summer when the bowl was seaming about under overcast & damp conditions & runs were at a premium.In Ind the wickets are flatter & generally much better 4 batting. Our attack here lacks variety, Finn probably won't be a full pelt so we will have 40 overs of right arm fast medium. Dernbach will mix it up a bit but as per a previous comment he's got a bit too carried away with his attempted variations. If Meaker plays he may offer some genuine pace but he's also quite likely to spray it around as he did in the T20. You did mention earlier about missing Ravi, I think we do. If he was there he would have offered a much needed 6th bowling option & bit of variety with his medium pacers. We don't have any1 else who can come on & keep things tight by taking the pace off the bowl for a few overs.

Posted by kc69 on (January 9, 2013, 22:20 GMT)

"Ian Bells century goes in vain" well i will call it "Shikhar Dhawan's century goes in vain" because he is a very good left handed opener and a good fielder but still he will not be replacing Gautam Gambhir who hasn't scored any matchwinning runs since ages.

Posted by Nampally on (January 9, 2013, 20:38 GMT)

In ODI format better Run rate over the entire 50 overs wins the match. Either the batting has to carry a team or bowling restrict the opposition. Delhi did both the jobs admirably & won. England got a huge total by any standards but Quite contrary to expectations could not defend it. I personally felt that in the absence of Swann, Panesar would have been an excellent economical bowler. However England has brought in a battery of Fast bowlers in Finn, Meaker, Bresnan, Dernbach. Short ball was over used instead of length & accuracy as Anderson & Swann rely on. Hence a huge total of 294 was not defended. Indian team under Dhoni face the same bowling in the ODI series. I expected at least 5 changes to Dhoni's squad but the selectors thought otherwise. With just one change to a demoralised squad, can Dhoni's team play with the same intensity as Delhi did, remains to be seen.Gross improvement in batting & bowling is the needed of Dhoni's team. Can the 2 teams overcome their deficiencies?

Posted by JG2704 on (January 9, 2013, 20:27 GMT)

@CricketingStargazer on (January 09 2013, 13:10 PM GMT) No I do agree re Broad that he shouldn't be shoed back into the side without proving form but I still think his injury has affected him. Re commentaries , yes sounds bad. TBH , I like to be out and about when the weather is decent in the summer anyway but a shame nonetheless

@SirViv1973 on (January 09 2013, 18:53 PM GMT) I certainly wouldn't say we're as bad a CM (or at least haven't been as bad in the last year) but I think we look very weak at the moment in the bowling dept. I hate to say it but I can see a repeat of the previous trip. Much can change quickly in this format - look at the Aussies.

Posted by Al_Bundy1 on (January 9, 2013, 20:23 GMT)

If Indian Selectors have any common sense - they would not even let Viru and Gauti get near the Indian team. Those 2 non-performers have been living on their reputation for last 2 years. Dhawan and Mukund are much better than Gambhir, and Rahane and Jaffer are way better than Sehwag. Indian Selectors - do your job - select cricketers on current performances - not past reputations.

Posted by SirViv1973 on (January 9, 2013, 18:53 GMT)

@Capt Meanster, A more measured assessment of Eng than we have been used 2 in the past from you, almost bordering on praise for the test side!. However I would have to disagree with your comment 'England are again proving why they are not a fancied team in ODI cricket' Although we have been truly awful on our last 3 visits to Ind to play ODI's, the series in 08,11 & the WC, we have won 12 of the 14 ODI's we have played since the series in 11 & we are currently the number 1 ranked team in the format. Personally I'm not expecting too much from Eng in this series. In a busy 2013 this series & the Ltd overs games which follow in NZL are the lowest priority hence why most of the test players who play ODI's will be rested in 1 or other of the series. The Ashes is clearly the biggest priority this year followed by the CT which we will be among the favs for & the bilateral series of tests against NZ.

Posted by NayaShaadi.com on (January 9, 2013, 16:21 GMT)

Viru shud play...... End of story..No arguments...

Posted by CricketingStargazer on (January 9, 2013, 13:10 GMT)

@JG Yes, we agreed some time back that Stuart Broad should not go to New Zealand. I am saying that, in addition, he should be told to play 4 or 5 County Championship matches before he should be considered for selection by England in the summer and then, only picked if his form demands it. My point about injury refers to Tim Bresnan only: there I think that there is more to his lack of zip. Incidentally, news that I am hearing on county commentaries for the upcoming season is not optimistic: increasingly doubtful that there will be live ball-by-ball, it seems, which is an awful retrograde step after the BBC starting broadcasting a match in each round nationally last year.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (January 9, 2013, 12:14 GMT)

@Ian Jones on (January 09 2013, 10:50 AM GMT), and yet Dernbach was the best of the England quicks in these two warmups. England picked him in the first place because he bowled good variations but he has proven too inconsistent and appears to have got too carried away with variations and neglected to develop a good stock delivery. He has put in some good performances for England though, so could still be an asset if he could become more consistent.

Posted by ashes61 on (January 9, 2013, 12:08 GMT)

RolandC: You're quite right that ENG's bowling attack will be weaker without Swann, Panesar & Anderson - probably much weaker. However, it's not so much a "mistake" of selection as a conscious decision to exclude these players in preparation for ENG's next major series - the forthcoming tour to NZ which involves Tests. We may disagree with ENG's rotation policy (intended to keep a large squad of players well prepared & the "big guns" fresh) but it's the current policy. Virtually all regular ENG players have missed ODI series in the last 2 years to ensure freshness for forthcoming Test series. It is a case of priorities. It might be nice to win this ODI series but ENG are not prepared to jeopardise the strength of the squad needed for the NZ Tests by ignoring the need for rest & family time. Agree or disagree, that's the policy. NZ may not be Test heavyweights, but the Tests there far outweigh these ODIs, which simply mustn't get in the way of preparation for NZ, then 10 Ashes Tests.

Posted by Front-Foot-Lunge on (January 9, 2013, 12:01 GMT)

@Jose Puliampatta, You mustn't have been here too long. Two years after I joined ny namesake (with the lowercase 'l') thought my username so brilliant he'd adopt it for his own: Well they do say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery..! He's an Australian pretending to be an English fan btw. I'm just an English fan loving England's five-year long dominance over Australia.

Posted by   on (January 9, 2013, 11:47 GMT)

@Front-Foot_lunge on (January 08 2013, 20:31 PM GMT)

You don't sound like Front_Foot_Lunge? Clever impostor, eh? I am not very sure about the punctuation I used either. With apologies to the real one. Whether I always agreed with the real one or not, is a different matter. Yet I love the original contributors and their honest opinions. Opinions are opinions, anyway. And we all should respect that. And expose the impostors.

Posted by Front-Foot-Lunge on (January 9, 2013, 11:21 GMT)

Front-Foot-Lunge on (January 09 2013, 09:58 AM GMT) Sight of the year so far: RandyOz trailing the English ODI pages to say something of comfort to him now that the Christmas Minnow Big Bash, dubbed by many as the 'Ultimate Battle of the Minnows' is over (The recent Aus v SL series if any of you missed it). One must remember that's all Australian fans have to cheer about these days. Meanwhile, check out those rankings Randy, that five year dominance of English over Australian in cricket marches triumphantly onward. Good luck this year with your infamous seamer pretending to be a spinner (Lyon) and a batting line up all full of proved Anderson bunnies. lol

Posted by John-Price on (January 9, 2013, 11:19 GMT)

Well done Delhi, fine performance, but what is Alex Hales doing in Australia? If he can take international attacks apart in 20 overs why can't he be asked to do the same in 50 over cricket? Very often, they are the same bowlers.

Posted by RolandC on (January 9, 2013, 11:12 GMT)

England are repeating the mistake of the 1st Test, with only Tredwell as a specialist spinner. Without Panesar and Swann (and Anderson), the England bowling attack is toothless on Indian pitches. Well played Delhi.

Posted by   on (January 9, 2013, 11:09 GMT)

Jus drop gambhir can't see him goin anywhere with his selfish attitude ....!

Posted by   on (January 9, 2013, 10:50 GMT)

Oh well we lost a couple of warm up games!! I still think England will win the ODI series, this is a talented group of players (apart from Patel and Dernbach who are awful). As some people state, we won the series (Test) that matters most, this is just a bit of icing on the cake!!

Posted by CricketMaan on (January 9, 2013, 10:18 GMT)

@Cpt.Meanster - Dhawan did play for India in Windies and struggled against pace and bounce. I think he made a 50 after a couple of chances gone down. Having said that he showed a lot of improvement in IPL 5 and was lone star for DC and now has been in prime form for Delhi all this season. The problem with some of our young stars are the gap between Ranji and International. Vijay, Dhawan are good but not able to reproduce it in International cricket and they need a long run but after a couple of failures they are criticized and dropped. Also, we dont send them on India A tours to England, SA or Aus as often as we should and unless we do that, they will continue to be domestic stars and take plenty of time at international level. But this time i see Dhawan if given a go and supprot would click, he is in form of his life.

Posted by JG2704 on (January 9, 2013, 10:11 GMT)

@Meety -re the team of the year which closed after I try to submit this (cicinfo please publish)

You make a very solid case for Siddle above Anderson. However I will just put some points across reasoning with the Jimmy selection.

1- Re in one less test Siddle took 2 less wickets - But in 3 tests (because our batsmen were so poor) Jimmy only bowled in 1 inns. I know Pak did bad twice in the 1st test but the 2nd inns but needing just 15 runs hardly counts 2- Of Siddle's 46 wickets I make it that 35 of those wickets came in home series vs SL and India (who have both looked very fallible in recent years on seaming pitches ) whereas Jimmy's wickets are more spread out inc 30 wickets in SC where it is not supposed to be so good for pace bowlers. If you take away the SA home series where both bowled you have Siddle playing at home vs India and SL and away vs WI and Jimmy playing at home vs WI and then away vs SL/Pak and India. So maybe they took into consideration where Jimmy has bowled?

Posted by JG2704 on (January 9, 2013, 10:06 GMT)

@CricketingStargazer on (January 08 2013, 23:02 PM GMT) re Broad I'd even rest him for the whole NZ tour. Not sure if it's injury related - I've always wondered if he's holding back for fear of injury recurrence. If this is the case he should not play as he is less effective. I'd say he should stay away from the cricket pitch at least until the English summer. Bresnan likewise could be injury related and maybe also could do with a long rest. Also if these players don't play for a while (and even if someone else takes their place) I think it would be a good thing as it will make them hungrier. I think we sometimes overdo the perseverance thing when players are not performing

Posted by JG2704 on (January 9, 2013, 10:06 GMT)

@CandidIndian on (January 08 2013, 21:09 PM GMT) Hello and Happy New Year - Not as always (re being correct) , I was incorrect on Prior vs AB's stats as pointed out by a poster for which I apologised for. Re your side , I don't follow Indian domestic cricket but what I noticed from some of the senior players from the test series is a poor body language in the field. Think one occasion it was ZK who rather that dive for a ball going to the boundary gave it an after you gesture. Re England I don't see us standing much chance to be honest. I worry more about our bowling in this format which is why I'd like to have seen Jimmy out there. Swanny has been in great shorter fmts form but I understand and respect the decision to rest him with his injuries. One of your posters I think said about some games between your A team and full team - not a bad idea

Posted by Front-Foot-Lunge on (January 9, 2013, 9:58 GMT)

Sight of the year so far: RandyOz trailing the English ODI pages to say something of comfort to him now that the Christmas Minnow Big Bash, dubbed by many as the 'Ultimate Battle of the Minnows' is over (The recent Aus v SA series if any of you missed it). One must remember that's all Australian fans have to cheer about these days. Meanwhile, check out those rankings Randy, that five year dominance of English over Australian in cricket marches triumphantly onward. Good luck this year with your infamous seamer pretending to be a spinner (Lyon) and a batting line up all full of proved Anderson bunnies. lol

Posted by zoot364 on (January 9, 2013, 9:31 GMT)

Well done Delhii. I really don't think India have a selection problem - just about any XI they care to pick will beat the England one day side. And I say that as an England fan.

Posted by SamRoy on (January 9, 2013, 9:28 GMT)

Dhawan currently is a far better batsman than Gambhir and Unmukt Chand is currently far better than Sehwag. Replace those Delhite openers with these two Delhite openers. Sehwag and Gambhir are currently not good enough to get a place in the Delhi team, forget India team.

Posted by CricketingStargazer on (January 9, 2013, 9:13 GMT)

As usual these matches are a mixed blessing. Two defeats has at least lowered expectations. It's also told the selectors a lot about the batting. Bell, after being played back into form by the Indian bowlers in the 4th Test, looks in prime form again. Cook, KP, Kieswetter. Morgan all look good to go. What these matches have not told us is what the best bowling combination is. Finn looks underdone and Meaker ineffective. Tredwell has done well and Jade Dernbach, to my surprise, looks the best of the seamers (has he finally learnt the lessons of the tour of India last year and the UAE?) I would back Finn to fire when the chips are down. Woakes needs to be used because otherwise how wiill he learn? And there is no point in taking a young spinner or two unless they play and learn.

Posted by Lmaotsetung on (January 9, 2013, 9:11 GMT)

What's taken so long for Dhawan to rise? After all wasn't he U19 WC Player of the Tournament? Same year we saw the likes of Cook, Patel, Bopara and Bresnan? Cook is well on his way to becoming and England legend...what's happened to Dhawan? On a side note, looks like the same old problems for Eng...i.e their pace bowling or lack thereof in the sub-continent. Take away Finn and Jimmy, none can cope, what gives? Bad plans? I hope they pick it up come the first match.

Posted by   on (January 9, 2013, 8:57 GMT)

Going by how some of these Indian players have played against England and against some pretty good bowlers in the IPL, India doesn't have a selection problem, we have a SELECTOR problem.

Posted by   on (January 9, 2013, 7:35 GMT)

Photo: Foot note: Delhi had won the match ya... NOT lost...

Posted by sachin_vvsfan on (January 9, 2013, 7:21 GMT)

@sony_sr Its not about lack of options but lack of courage. Can you imagine dispensing a player having corporate backup and with a contract of $40 million over 5 year period. He is bound to stay in the team for that period(or most) no matter how he performs.

Posted by sachin_vvsfan on (January 9, 2013, 7:13 GMT)

Does England really need practice matches for ODIs?(understandable for test matches). I agree we have seen the likes of dhawan & co but they wont get a chance to play in national team( even if selected) and no other visiting team as far as i remember plays warm up games for ODIs (unless it is WC tournaments but in bilateral no way.).

Sort of strange. But i just feel we gave them the advantage of filtering their players like patel who could have been selected in first 2 odis.

Posted by   on (January 9, 2013, 7:08 GMT)

I don't know what is the current team of England but my 15 player for India Series is 1)Cook, Trott, Kiesweter, Luke right , Morgan, Peterson, Bairstrow,,Anderson,Swann,Samit,Monty,Broad,Finn,Meaker and Bresnan Its great time when england win series but for that England need right kind of team .If u want to grow youngester is fine,But the now situation is England can win series by choosing right player and right kind of Approach.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (January 9, 2013, 6:30 GMT)

@Stup1d on (January 09 2013, 05:52 AM GMT), because these games are about England. These two games only exist because England have an ODI series coming up against India and need some match practice. Noone is trying to deny that India A and Delhi played well and deserved their wins but these games are being played specifically for England's sake so it's logical that the analysis focuses on England, as the analysis of India's tour games in England focused on India. As for why it's a shock, regardless of what anyone says or thinks about England as an ODI team, they are ranked #1 in the world at the moment so any reasonable person would expect them to win a warmup game. Perhaps you should not try so hard to find fault and use a bit of logic instead.

Posted by sony_sr on (January 9, 2013, 6:30 GMT)

What an embarrassment for the indian selectors. A team and state teams are performing better than national team. Will they still say some players are continuing even after poor performance since they think there is no other options from domestic circuit?????? I can't stop laughing :)

Posted by jmcilhinney on (January 9, 2013, 6:01 GMT)

@RandyOZ on (January 08 2013, 23:58 PM GMT), I guess you'd be the expert on sliding down the rankings. I seem to recall that Australia were #1 before they toured England. Where are they now? Who's #1 now? I recall Marcio saying more than once that Australia were #1 for a reason at that time. They're #4 for a reason right now. Australia might be rather lucky that SL has been hit by injuries because, while Australia won the CB Series when last they played, SL actually won the head-to-head against Australia 4-3.

Posted by WalkingWicket11 on (January 9, 2013, 5:52 GMT)

Why is it a "shocking" defeat? Why don't you give credit where it is due? Last time England lost against an A team, you shifted the focus to Giles's coaching debut.

Posted by Diamond2017 on (January 9, 2013, 5:42 GMT)

I just want a dominating performance from the Indian team to wash away the test losses.

Posted by DINESHCC on (January 9, 2013, 5:39 GMT)

With just two unimportant wins, again our fans climbed top of the world and predicted 5-0 whitewash. These two teams (India A and Delhi) are different. Definitely these two teams are stronger than Indian team. As long as the same Gambhir, Rohit, Raina are playing for India, England can win the series 5-0

Posted by AkDoN on (January 9, 2013, 5:18 GMT)

LOL ENG fans & Barmy Army are now finding excuses of Flat Picthes.....see the confidence of ENG fans ha ha ha....

Posted by anver777 on (January 9, 2013, 5:12 GMT)

Wake up call for Eng !!!! it was an real eye opener for them against India-A before the coming ODI's against the star studded Indians (I mean INDIA-A*)

Posted by   on (January 9, 2013, 5:04 GMT)

even the weak delhi & india A team defeated england team .... so can the indian team defeat them ??/ or it was just england's eyewash to india ??

Posted by   on (January 9, 2013, 4:56 GMT)

To my Indian friends, don't make too much of the results in the warm ups. As @jmcilhinney rightly said these matches are to fine tune a team's preparation and nothing more. I would expect the Indian fans to temper their expectations after the timid show against Pakistan. And I think it is about the right time Shikar Dhawan is given a chance at least in the ODIs.

Posted by g.narsimha on (January 9, 2013, 4:55 GMT)

28041991-(on-8-1-13-19.20-pm-gmt)-those days have gone longback , now our batting can be destabelised by any bowling attack , those bowlers who were thrashed to all corners in the past are seen dominating us , prior to recent ENG tour panesars ave-50+ vrs IND see how he tormented once worlds best batting line up in thier own DEN , some thing terrebly wrong with the team -A-Vacant -Slip- yaa had it been loses i amm sure u would have come up with the usual rantings - the cup board is empty , no bowler , batsmen for future , i just want to remind u the way u people celebrated u r win in a warm up t-20 match in sl , WE ARE NOT GOING TO THAT LEVEL .

Posted by himohan007 on (January 9, 2013, 4:51 GMT)

@MAR00N5 Why do u show so much hatred to Delhi Openers by wanting a player like Shewag. His attitude is really disgusting

Posted by himohan007 on (January 9, 2013, 4:46 GMT)

I don't know why most of us(Indians) take pride that our local team beat Eng in warm up games. Actually we should be really sad that our young cubs playing/working hard for nothing in return. The dumb players like Shewag,Gambir,Rohit,Jadeja, are ruining our Cricket legacy n people like me n many of my friends n neighbours are not following Indian Cricket now

Posted by vivek3 on (January 9, 2013, 4:35 GMT)

If INDIA vs INDIA 'A' will play....then also the result will be the same....drop gambhir...get dhawan in..hes been performing well in domestic season.dhawan n rahane..open the innings.

Posted by SriUSA on (January 9, 2013, 4:18 GMT)

I think it is time Shikhar given a chance above Gambhit. Gambhir is a much hyped cricketer.

Posted by AkDoN on (January 9, 2013, 4:18 GMT)

LOL ENG fans & Barmy Army are now finding excuses of Flat Picthes.....see the confidence of ENG fans ha ha ha....

Posted by jmcilhinney on (January 9, 2013, 3:57 GMT)

In their overzeal to inform opposing fans how rubbish their team is, a lot of people seem to forget the purpose of warmup games. While it's nice to win them, the actual result is of no real importance. They are about getting your team into the best possible shape for the ensuing series. Hopefully these games will have helped England do that. They didn't bat well in the first game, while the second game appears to have delivered an improvement in that regard. They didn't bowl well in this second game but hopefully they will learn from that and make the appropriate adjustments for the first ODI. Hopefully any dropped catches can be attributed to the cold weather and England's fielding will be up to the standard we expect. If England do well in the first ODI, win or lose, then we can say that these warmup games helped them do so. If they make the same mistakes again though, then that's another story.

Posted by yoogi on (January 9, 2013, 3:46 GMT)

There are many differences between ODI team and the teams that played for delhi and India-A minus ranji QFlists. Chief among them is Fletcher is not coaching these teams and the teams believe they can win, and they try to win.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (January 9, 2013, 3:24 GMT)

@ Nish_US on (January 08 2013, 14:41 PM GMT), I do wish people would actually read. flavoidastic said that India A beat a full-strength England side. That is referring to the first warmup game, not this second game. KP played the first game but Cook did not, while England were also missing Swann, Anderson and Broad from what would be their first-choice team. That's what JG2704 said and that's what he meant. It's not intended to be an excuse, it's just a statement of fact.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (January 9, 2013, 3:19 GMT)

@JG2704 on (January 08 2013, 21:34 PM GMT), I don't think that KP was rested from this game per se but rather he was left out because they felt that he was good to go and there were others who needed the match practice more.

Posted by   on (January 9, 2013, 2:50 GMT)

When was the last time England won an odi in india:)

Posted by pitch_curator on (January 9, 2013, 2:19 GMT)

Dhawan in for Gambhir would be a good option for the Indian side. At least that would make Gambhir more insecure and perform better. Note that he performed in his first 4 years as he was insecure (and he admitted it in an interview).

Posted by Nampally on (January 9, 2013, 2:14 GMT)

@CandidIndian: If you see all the great performances in the recent times, they are coming from youngsters like Milind Kumar,Mukund, Shami Ahmad, B.Kumar, U.Chand, Jalal Saxena, Mandeep Singh,A.Manaria, S.Nadeem,etc. These are all guys < 23. Then a second group like Dhawan, Vijay, Aaron, Yadev,Pankaj Singh,Rayudu, etc are over 24 & still doing well. Only way to expose how poor the Dhoni's National team is by playing games like India A or Delhi against the visitors. When players who do not even get a second look are beating the visiting teams, it is shamful to see the Dhoni's team failing so miserably against the visiting England & Pakistan teams. This clearly shows how poor the National team selection process is - If there is One! When Dhawan has knocked centuries galore this season & does not even get a call in the Dhoni's squad & When Pujara with a Test average of 87 Vs. England, is dropped for Pak. ODI's, it begs the question -Do Selectors have any Selection critieria at all?

Posted by   on (January 9, 2013, 2:10 GMT)

Dhawan should be next in choice for left hand opening batsmen if Gambhir fails again. Rahane with Dhawan could be the future for India at the opening.

Posted by   on (January 9, 2013, 2:07 GMT)

Delhi was helped by the fact that Sehwag and Gambhir did not play.

Posted by Hammond on (January 9, 2013, 1:28 GMT)

Good to see the boys getting runs again. The result is meaningless (as is the whole odi series)- good practice they are getting on Indian pitches. The preparation looks good for the winter when the first XI will be in action.

Posted by Meety on (January 9, 2013, 0:55 GMT)

@Venkat_Gowrishankar on (January 08 2013, 20:10 PM GMT) - I think you're right - but that has evolved over the last 12 months. There was a lot of cockiness about 12 to 18 months ago, then the England tour occurrred. A lot of Indian fans wrote that off as being because India fielded a "3rd string" side. Then the tour of Oz occurred & with basically a full strength side, the same result occurred - with the added insult of not making the tri-series final. A lot of the chest beating stopped, quite a lot of comments about "green tops" followed. There was a lot of cockiness about revenge at the start of the England tour, but when England started winning, the fans have turned on pretty much all the players. So the fans have backflipped. I would hate to be Dhoni, he really is holding the side together, he shouldn't be captain anymore - but who else will do it? It's interesting, Oz got beat 3-1 by England & had THREE enquiries, India have badly lost 3 Test series - for ZERO investigations!!!!

Posted by delboy on (January 9, 2013, 0:45 GMT)

If video analysis exists then England have a chance. Robots are programmed and let loose. When no footage exists the results just cannot be scripted.

Posted by delboy on (January 9, 2013, 0:39 GMT)

WHY SHOCK DEFEAT? Is ENGLAND unbeatable? The ball is round and competition involves two teams. In cricket the winning team is generally the team which performed BETTER collectively.

Posted by cloudmess on (January 9, 2013, 0:34 GMT)

The problem is that England don't ever quite one day cricket seriously enough - there's always this element of using it as an opportunity as a trial, to 'look at' promising players. The side they've sent to take on India in their own conditions is a virtual A-team.

Posted by   on (January 9, 2013, 0:28 GMT)

Was your reporter Amit Shetty watching the same game as the other pundits? Neither the Daily Mail, Independent nor Daily Telegraoh reporters are saying that Bell was scratching around. Indeed, in the Mail he is described as being in glorious nick, advancing down the wicket to reel off his cover drives - some of which were shown in clips on Sky Sports. It is agreed that he started his innings cautiously but got into his stride when set.

The defeat today was down to the poor bowling - an England side should surely have been capable of defending nearly 300? Damning Bell with faint praise doesn't hide that reality.

Posted by   on (January 9, 2013, 0:06 GMT)

Well its only a warm up but having said that losing both the warmups can't exactly be seen as a good sign for the series to come.

Posted by RandyOZ on (January 8, 2013, 23:58 GMT)

And again the inevitable slide continues. The cupboard is just totally bare, and even the shelves at the local shop are empty. Time for another South African poaching safari I would say.

Posted by RandyOZ on (January 8, 2013, 23:55 GMT)

All the usual suspects gone absolutely silent. Hardly shocking, was a similar story for the South African and Pakistan series that never happened.

Posted by xylo on (January 8, 2013, 23:39 GMT)

No KP in match. Nothing here. Move on.

Posted by Australian_flatTrack on (January 8, 2013, 23:37 GMT)

@Front-Foot_lunge,

At least try to hide that you're an Australian fan a little better. Finn pasted us when we were whitewashed by the English last year. And don't try to convince me you can't think of any England bowler other than Anderson after what's happened the last few years. Face it, our quicks have a good chance of causing an upset this year, but we start as underdogs.

Posted by Al_Bundy1 on (January 8, 2013, 23:31 GMT)

Agree with @Jose Puliampatta - Delhi was without Sehwag, Gambhir, Kohli & Ishant. May be, that is why they won. It proves another point. India's biggest problem is incompetent selection.

Posted by Front-Foot-Lunge on (January 8, 2013, 23:28 GMT)

Nice to see the youngsters getting a go after the test team so terrifically laid waste to India, along with their critics, before Christmas. England's batsmen had a good effort to get to 294, but their young quicks need to take a few lessons from the flat deck (or green top!) master Jimmy Anderson, who had cricket lovers foaming at the mouth recently with his variations and skills on flat Indian decks.

Posted by Al_Bundy1 on (January 8, 2013, 23:18 GMT)

Indian cricket's biggest problem is seniority based selection. Its a well known fact that our openers failed us in England, Australia, in India against England and Pakistan. But our Selectors kept on selecting the same opening batsmen. In just 2 matches against the same England side, Dhawan, Mukund and Murli have proved that they are better than Sehwag and Gambhir. Yet, our selectors persist with Gambhir. This is insane!

Posted by ozziespirit on (January 8, 2013, 23:15 GMT)

@Posted by Front-Foot_lunge on (January 08 2013, 20:31 PM GMT) "Disappointing, as an England fan.."

But you're not an England fan. As anyone who's been following this site for a while knows. One minute you're an Australian fan, the next an English one. Do make your mind up.

Posted by CricketingStargazer on (January 8, 2013, 23:02 GMT)

@JG Totally agree on Broad and Bresnan. I think that Broad needs an extended break and to play some county cricket; and by 'some' I mean a minimum of 4 or 5 matches before being considered for selection on the basis of form only. Bresnan's problem may be medical: why, after a fairly simple operation, has he lost so much zip unless there is still a problem? Samit looked good in India a year ago; with better, younger players available we should go with one of them. No time for sentiment.

Posted by f0restw0w on (January 8, 2013, 22:51 GMT)

No suprise that gambhir is still playing instead of dhawan.Team selection is based on several factors except talent and performance.Cricket in india is only about money and politics.

Posted by agsn on (January 8, 2013, 22:47 GMT)

This is not as much as Delhi team punching above their weight compared to the national team. But the current national team being weaker than probably the top 4 state/regional teams. The current national team if filled with out of form, inconsistent players that the team management continues to persist with in the name of providing confidence for the players or not angering established players.

Posted by CricketingStargazer on (January 8, 2013, 22:44 GMT)

@spiritwithin It sounds mad, but you are right: there is a real expectation that the full India team will be weaker than either Delhi or India A. Certainly the talent is there, what seems lacking is the will on the part of the Indian selectors to make tough calls. And that gives England a real chance in this series.

Posted by BnH1985Fan on (January 8, 2013, 21:48 GMT)

Good job Dhawan & Milind! You did Delhi and India proud! In return, for all your hard work, you will get to sit back and watch India fold against the very opposition time and again.

Posted by JG2704 on (January 8, 2013, 21:34 GMT)

Long term I feel our best pacers (Broad/Bres when fit) from a year or 2 ago (in this fmt) have lost their mojo. Patel is a worry. Not so long ago he did a decent job with the ball and was ok as a number 6 or 7. Why have we moved him up the order and his bowling seems to have gone awry? Re batting , I'd have had Jos ahead of Craig but as it happens Craig was one of our bright points. Battingwise I feel we're ok despite the India A game. Bowlingwise looks more of a worry and maybe shows our lack of depth in the shorter formats. When we were doing well in T20 it was more based on a tight bowling unit than explosive batsmen. Never thought I'd say this but maybe we miss Ravi (for his bowling and not his batting). I think Briggs should maybe play even if it leaves us with a longer tail and if he comes in for Patel who do we have as a 6th bowling option? But as others have mentioned is Patel's batting and a few expensive overs worth a place in the side?

Posted by JG2704 on (January 8, 2013, 21:34 GMT)

Congrats Delhi - well played. Have to say that while 2+2 doesn't always make 4 in cricket , this is quite worrying. One of the most worrying aspects was that we dragged it back (with ball) in the middle overs but seemed to let it go again in the latter overs. Re team selection , I can see why we would rest Swann , with his injury niggles but are we maybe overdoing the resting with Jimmy who doesn't do T20 anyway? Also why is KP being continually rested - I suppose we had to look at Root but could Morgan or Patel not have been rested

Posted by JG2704 on (January 8, 2013, 21:34 GMT)

@AMAZINGFAN on (January 08 2013, 16:28 PM GMT) I wasn't talking about the Indian A side or making excuses. For the 2nd time ALL I DID WAS LIST THE ENGLAND PLAYERS WHO WERE MISSING TO SOMEONE WHO SPECIFICALLY SAID INDIA A BEAT A FULL STRENGTH ENGLAND SIDE . Check flavoidastic on (January 08 2013, 12:00 PM GMT) comms and mine above it and tell me I'm incorrect

@Shan156/Trickstar - Thanks for the back up guys. Mind boggling how some read comms as having an agenda rather than just pointing out simple fact

@28041991 on (January 08 2013, 19:20 PM GMT) No doubt (without following the link) these stats make bad reading but I believe Jimmy has improved in this format and Swann has been IMO our best shorter formats bowler this year. Listen it is what it is , we chose the side - we can all cite absentees as reasons for losing

Posted by CandidIndian on (January 8, 2013, 21:32 GMT)

Nampally- Actually before playing International teams, matches should be arranged between good Ranji sides and team Dhoni.Only then people running cricket in India will realize the difference between real and over-hyped talent.

Posted by   on (January 8, 2013, 21:19 GMT)

This is one of those weird series where most fans of both teams don't like their chances. Indians are depressed after the recent thrashings we have received and England have excuses ready as they have left a number of players at home (and Eng don't care about ODIs outside of the world cup anyway...). From an Indian perspective, it seems as if there is nothing to gain out of this series. If we win, then it will seem as though it was Eng who was really bad (considering Eng lost even their 2 tour games) and a lot of genuine problems in the current team will be forgotten. If we lose, then of course it would just be another new low.

Posted by CandidIndian on (January 8, 2013, 21:15 GMT)

@JG2704-You are correct like always ,its indeed time for India to make brave decisions.When our A team and Ranji team is competing better than our national side brave decisions become inevitable.As far as Eng team is concerned its a great opportunity for them to win ODI series in India as conditions will be in favor of fast bowlers.Also Indian team is short of confidence currently as they are a team in transition phase with lot of young players.However i think Eng will miss Swann as we have seen in India-Pak series that it has been difficult to score against fast bowlers in chilling weather hence batsman have looked to score when spinners comes on.Swann would have been very useful in putting pressure in those middle overs

Posted by CandidIndian on (January 8, 2013, 21:09 GMT)

@JG2704-You are correct like always ,its indeed time for India to make brave decisions.When our A team and Ranji team is competing better than our national side brave decisions become inevitable.As far as Eng team is concerned its a great opportunity for them to win ODI series in India as conditions will be in favor of fast bowlers.Also Indian team is short of confidence currently as they are a team in transition phase with lot of young players.However i think Eng will miss Swann as we have seen in India-Pak series that it has been difficult to score against fast bowlers in chilling weather hence batsman have looked to score when spinners comes on.Swann would have been very useful in putting pressure in those middle overs.

Posted by   on (January 8, 2013, 21:01 GMT)

Just goes to show what I've suspected for a long time - that there's a huge amount of talent in India and the national side is only holding itself back with its obsession with the past.

Posted by Front-Foot_lunge on (January 8, 2013, 20:31 GMT)

Disappointing, as an England fan, to see Steven "six an over" Finn back to his most expensive best. If he's the spearhead of this attack then this could be a long ODI series. Being a warm-up you'd be fearful that being so below par, there might not be enough matches in the series for us to get back to room temp. But when England's bowling stocks are so thin to rely solely on Finn in ODI and Anderson in tests, than as soon as they're off, then are performances plummet. I guess thats why we were 1 match away from being the worst performing team in England's history.

Posted by   on (January 8, 2013, 20:28 GMT)

I already smell 5-0 again.

Posted by Venkat_Gowrishankar on (January 8, 2013, 20:10 GMT)

@Shan156 : Sorry, With the exception of 1 or 2 Indian fans, the rest of them here have been pretty careful with their words. After the 2-1 Loss and the recent ODI series loss, how would you expect us to say , "we would thrash easily "..As said earlier, minus the usual 2 or 3 , which the frequent readers know to ignore, I think the mood is that of dsgust and disappointment; that there are so many talented players, yet they never get a chance to represent India. Frankly, I dont care even if India loses, but if they could field 11 new debutants, it would be good and thats what most India fans want.They are tired of seeing the current Indian team.

Posted by Nampally on (January 8, 2013, 20:05 GMT)

@Nutcutlet: I concur & emphathise with your frustrations with the Squad selection. The Selectors chose one of the worst squads to play against Pakistan & got egg all over their faces. When "Top 5 Batting" fails totally they do a band aid job of replacing just Sehwag with Pujara- who should never have been left out in the first place. India A & Delhi at least showed guts & gumption to beat England which Dhoni's team never had. The 4 openers in these 2 teams- Mukund, Vijay, Dhawan & Chand are all very talented & batted brilliantly. Imagine Dhawan smashing Meaker for a Six ! When Form & Performance are not the criteria for selection, the Team looks bad. This is how India lost the Test series to England & ODI series to Pakistan- all in a span of 3 months!. The same Selectors are now determined to give the ODI series to England. India has so much untapped talent but that is hidden in their 2nd & 3d Teams.Why can't India get this talent in the National team & make India #1 in Tests & ODI's?

Posted by SanjivAwesome on (January 8, 2013, 19:43 GMT)

The England players are just dusting off the cob webs. No doubt they will come back firing when the big games are played, so our team better watch out. I was pleasantly surprised by Delhi players' performance - Dhawan, Chand and the new name guy Milind Kumar. It has been a tough year to watch cricket if you are an India fan. I do therefore question if the National selectors are doing their jobs effectively - selecting. If India can put forward a team of 11 truly competitive, in-form cricketers, it will make for better games.

Posted by perl57 on (January 8, 2013, 19:33 GMT)

Glad Sehwag is dropped and will be sent into oblivion. Or else he would have guided Gauti also to go against Dhoni and misperform. Not even an instance from Sachin have we seen when Azhar and Sourav crucified him with words. Sehwag needs to understand, he cannot win against Dhoni as he is more successful. As far as this match goes, not only this team, even a z grade team should be enough for England. India is tired for its own fault of too much cricket. We need to reduce test cricket. That way Indian board gets money, players show interest, and not get too tired and people are also happy that their country is not losing. It is not IPL that is at fault. Are we so jobless that we can watch a 5 day. I do not want to see artistic side of cricket for it was over the moment Sachin said Adieu to ODIs. So IPL, T20, One Days. Only these please.

Posted by JustIPL on (January 8, 2013, 19:29 GMT)

Hats off to indian cricket management for arranging a nail biting series with Pakitan which surely lifted the level of indian team and the bench strength proved by two warmups. These warmups helped more to india than england. However, bales were flying during last couple of weeks and wickets were walking. Seems to be the idea of Dhoni who for so long now has strived to bring in new talent but was compelled to use IPLers surely due to lot of money flowing in that league. Since both matches were in Dehli where there is unusual weather nowadays we cannot conclude that results will be the same on other venues but England are not that tough a customer as Pakistan were. So, hopefully, India will able to perform well.

Posted by SirViv1973 on (January 8, 2013, 19:24 GMT)

I'm pretty astonished that after recent performances the Ind Trumpet blowers are back talking up their team after their A team beat us in 2 warm up games. Surely they should be a bit more concerned about the way their team has slid over recent times and how they are going to get back to challenging the best teams in far more meaningful series.

Posted by   on (January 8, 2013, 19:20 GMT)

We had players in domestic cricket who can put up a good fight & even win matches against quality opposition, but selector are biased & dumb enough to select the out of form players....Gambhir is no longer the batsman he used to be in 2009, Pujara's inclusion is a good decision...but ROHIT SHARMA!!...seriously after all those failures somehow he still gets his place...poor Rahane, never got long run...I hope he gets ample opportunities in this series so that he can learn & groom himself for the challenges ahead...pathetic to miss both UMESH YADAV & VARUN AARON....though Bhuvaneshwar's, Ishant's & Shami's performance had been decent do far...

Posted by realfan on (January 8, 2013, 19:20 GMT)

for those who say england would me missing GRAME SWANN here are his stats against india in ODI's

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/20431.html?class=2;host=6;opposition=6;result=1;result=2;result=3;result=5;template=results;type=bowling

and yeah JAMES ANDERSON , well lets take a look at his stats

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/8608.html?class=2;host=6;opposition=6;result=1;result=2;result=3;result=5;template=results;type=bowling

Posted by SirViv1973 on (January 8, 2013, 19:19 GMT)

@Trickstar, I would pretty much agree with your team I too think we need to play both spinners. I also agree re Samit, batting is his strongest suit & he doesn't score enough runs & has rarely, if ever put together a match winning knock. If Samit doesn't get in the lack of a genuine 6th bowling option is a worry to me. It wasn't a problem in the summer as Bopara was batting at 4 & offered another option if needed(even though he wasn't). Was also disappointing that the bowlers who played today couldn't defend 294!

Posted by Shan156 on (January 8, 2013, 19:10 GMT)

@Trickstar, this is the problem, isn't it? These are warm-ups and while any defeat is bad, these are used so that the touring team gets acclimatized with the conditions and decides on its best XI for the ODIs. Nothing much to read from it although it is worrying that none of the bowlers used performed well and were unable to defend 295. However, what we see here is Indian fans coming out in full flow and thrashing the England team. Some of them even claim that had these playes played in the test series, India would have thrashed England 4-0:-) India may well trounce us in the ODI series and they would deserve it but England deserved their test series win.

@MAROON5, Surely you can do better than that. JG2704 would be among the last people to make excuses for defeats. He was merely replying to some Indian fan who claimed that England's full strength team was defeated by India 'A'. It does not mean that India 'A' or 'B' would not be able to defeat a full strength England team.

Posted by kunderanengineer on (January 8, 2013, 18:53 GMT)

The legendary American baseball pitcher Satchel Paige once said " Don't look back someone may be gaining on you" I have a feeling a few members of the Indian national side are hearing loud footsteps at the moment and may be tempted to throw atleast a side glance at their competition. Are they going to rise to the challenge or crumble under pressure? We'll find out in the ODI series coming up.

Posted by maddy20 on (January 8, 2013, 18:48 GMT)

A very good batting perfomrance by Delhi. Before this game I expected that they will be taken to the cleaners by this vastly superior England side, but buy was I wrong. First a decent bowling performance followed by a commanding batting performance. Shikar Dhawan already has an international hundred to his name and he is only building his case for selection and making one of the openers slot his own(bye bye Sehwag!). More surprising was the solid knock by Milind Kumar(I haven't even heard his name before and the guy has hardly any first class experience) and the young Unmukt Chand, our U-19 hero. As for England, while this defeat would not mean anything ultimately, they would be wise not to take defeat lightly and re-think about their excessive short ball strategy. Youngsters like Kohli, Pujara, Rahane are excellent players of short-ball and they would be wise not to repeat their mistake. Also they need to go in with another specialist spinner instead of bits and pieces Samit Patel .

Posted by   on (January 8, 2013, 18:42 GMT)

A decision to rule out Sehwag is going to cost India. Sehwag will dominate English bowlers. Eng bowling not as strong as Englands

Posted by InnocentGuy on (January 8, 2013, 18:41 GMT)

If this says anything, it is that most of the players in the Indian national team need to be dropped for various reasons - recover form, take rest, whatever.

Posted by kunderanengineer on (January 8, 2013, 18:38 GMT)

@Bob Young from an Indian fan I couldn't agree with you more mate. It's one thing to cheer for your country but another to be totally delusional. Based on current form it wouldn't surprise me in the least to watch the Indian national side collapse like a house of cards in the upcoming ODI series which ironically may not be a bad thing in the long run as it may force some drastic and much needed changes.

Posted by kalyanbk on (January 8, 2013, 18:36 GMT)

The image caption should read "Shikhar Dhawan's hundred led Delhi to a shock win against the England tourists" rather than "Shikhar Dhawan's hundred led Delhi to a shock defeat against the England tourists".

Posted by gsingh7 on (January 8, 2013, 18:34 GMT)

these 2 games show selectors missed a trick to defeat england and pak recently, hope they will perform better in future and help take india to top in cricket once again, come on team blue, thrash this english side 3rd time running , 5-0

Posted by kalyanbk on (January 8, 2013, 18:31 GMT)

While the current Indian side would struggle to beat anyone currently, it is perhaps a stretch to call England's defeat a "shock" given their ODI record in India.

Posted by simpleadmin on (January 8, 2013, 18:29 GMT)

for all england fans,,remember the results of recent odi series in india,,india won 5-1 that to england won after india had won 4-0 and rested key players in 2006,india won 5-0 total whitewash in 2008,,then recently in 2011 india again whitewashed 5-0,,,,

Posted by VickGower on (January 8, 2013, 18:27 GMT)

I shake my head at the ignorance that has labeled Jadeja a loser, when he pretty much won India the match against Pakistan. Not a coincidence that the Indian fielding became electric with him in the team. His bowling was sensational. He made 20 plus at a time when the most anyone scored was in the 30s. Yes, he is not a finished product, but he is very young and will only get better as long as he is given tougher challenges... He needs to go around with the A team, and play county cricket if he can.

Posted by Nutcutlet on (January 8, 2013, 18:26 GMT)

A defeat, even in a warm-up, is never to be welcomed, although ultimately it may not be of any consequence. Clearly the Eng. quicks are rusty & they must need intensive practice to find length & line between now & Friday. I trust in the Eng. set-up, pride & professionalism to turn things round. What is puzzling is how S Dhawan & M Kumar are nowhere near the national squad for this series! The conclusion is inescapable: more evidence of dysfunctionality in the manner in which Indian cricket is run. Sehwag has gone (probably for good) & now Gambhir's position is more insecure than ever. Is there anything against drafting in players after the formal announcement of the squad? Although it doesn't advantage England, I think I know what I would do! In the end, every internat. side should put out the best team available (rotational planning excepted). In that way the cricketing world can get an idea of a nation's true strength. India has a genius for making a mess of everything these days.

Posted by SunnyD on (January 8, 2013, 18:23 GMT)

The last two games shows that recents defeats of India are all selectors' fault and/or burn-out of the senior team.

Posted by rkannancrown on (January 8, 2013, 18:16 GMT)

Dhawan can score centuries but the selectors are obssessed with keeping Rohit Sharma in the team

Posted by Trickstar on (January 8, 2013, 18:09 GMT)

@AMAZINGFAN As he has already pointed out, he replied to someone saying that England were at full strength, no more less so I don't get you're point. As far as implying that even if Anderson and Swann they wouldn't make a difference, come off it, I bet even you don't even believe that, whatever you're opinion of them they are far better than the bowlers that are there. Swann is one of the best spinners around and always keeps it tight even if he doesn't pick up wickets and as he showed in the test series he's in great form. If the pitches are going to be anything like the ones you've just played Pakistan on, Anderson would have been devastating with swing and a bit of pace, you also forget that we now have 2 new balls and that's where he''d come in to his own. It's absolutely astounding that Indian fans still think they can talk down opposition players and hype their own team up, after been embarrassed so much lately, by players like Anderson & Swann.

Posted by Whatsgoinoffoutthere on (January 8, 2013, 18:01 GMT)

That England attack kind of asks the question, "Would you like your victory gift-wrapped?"

Posted by   on (January 8, 2013, 17:58 GMT)

Shikar Dawan deserves a chance in the Indian side ever since he starred in the under 19 WC years ago

Posted by   on (January 8, 2013, 17:53 GMT)

Don't you Indian supporters ever learn... You were going to thrash us in England; you didn't. You were going to get your revenge by thrashing us in India; you didn't. You were going to win the T20 series; you didn't. So don't you think it might be wise to hold on to your predictions at least until the series is a couple of games old and you can see how the land lies. Remember, this is the core of the England one-day squad who beat Pakistan in the UAE, the same Pakistan who beat you at home. In view of your country's current record against visiting sides, perhaps a little more tact and a few less brash statements might be in order.

Posted by Trickstar on (January 8, 2013, 17:48 GMT)

Personally I wouldn't have Patel in the side he's poor and offers very little of either batting or bowling and we've got to pick two proper spinners in Tredwell & Briggs but I think England have backed themselves into a corner not giving Briggs at least one game. When we rested all our first string attack it should have been taken into consideration that Finn is coming back from an injury he picked up over here in the test series. I think they picked all the seamers today as a shoot out to see who performed the best, not much to choose from by the looks. I think England are gonna miss Trott's runs as well this series, he may not be flash but he's always good for a few runs each series at 3, especially when we're chasing, where he's good at pacing an innings. We've got to pick 5 out and out bowlers and 6 proper batsmen, not bit and pieces cricketers and count on the batsmen getting runs. My XI: Cook, Bell, KP, Morgan, Buttler, Kieswetter, Bresnan, Tredwell, Finn, Dernback, Briggs

Posted by tickcric on (January 8, 2013, 17:39 GMT)

One thing I like about England in tour is that they always arrive early and play a few games before the start of a series. There is always a chance of playing poorly or not adjusting to the conditions at the start of tour. It's better to let this things happen, if it must, in the warm up games. Loosing the first two ODIs instead of these warm up games would have been a lot worse. This was evident during the test series as indeed in most of England's tours in the few years. Alongside the practice these games are also 'risk management cushions' which often most countries choose to under utilize.

Posted by mumbaiguy79 on (January 8, 2013, 17:39 GMT)

I am not talking based on Dhawan's this innings. But this lad definitely has potential and in the same league as Gambhir, Kohli. I hope he makes it big.

Posted by   on (January 8, 2013, 17:37 GMT)

Some people have short memory they calling to sack Yuvi & Raina from indian team yuvi was excellent with ball in the t20s against Eng and he won a match against pak with his 72 runs and dear fans please analyse the three matches india lost the very important toss in chennai still we posted 227 runs with skipper's 113* and second innings Nasir escaped afrom a caught behind decision and one very close LBW appeal against Yunis tourned down and that match if Jadeja was played ( i don't know why he became a laughing stock for many indian fans eventhough he performing good with ball and his fielding is world class ) india should win the match

Posted by   on (January 8, 2013, 17:35 GMT)

players like m.pandey,unmukthchand,dhawan,manaeria,a.mukund,,jalazsaxena,p.rassol,i.pathan,r.dhawan,i.pandey,s.ladda.. must have been given a chance to prove their talent ..,this is the right time but selectors missed it completely..

Posted by SurlyCynic on (January 8, 2013, 17:30 GMT)

This is what happens when you appoint a coach who was a mediocre nightwatchman with the bat and never turned a ball as a 'spinner'. What does Giles know about ODIs?

Posted by deol84 on (January 8, 2013, 17:29 GMT)

now ipl flops scoring runs,comon england roll india over they are no more than bangladesh and keyna.

Posted by Trickstar on (January 8, 2013, 17:24 GMT)

@ doors666 Why would it, it would show that England haven't played a one day game for months and some haven't played any cricket since the test series, that's what warm up games are for, to acclimatise and get used to foreign conditions. Sounds like you're coming up with excuses why England have been beating you so badly of late. Ateotd it's always very tricky coming to foreign conditions and playing a state side that are match fresh and mid way through their home season, happens to touring sides all the time when they come to England.

Posted by yorkshire-86 on (January 8, 2013, 17:17 GMT)

Patel is in great need of a long extended rest. He is the only player this winter to be in the squad for every single game, including all the warmups, for all 3 formats. And he is probably our weakest player. Also why rest BOTH of our senior spinners? Ok Swann has played a lot of games and could benefit from a while off, but Monty is virtually fresh! Tredwell is a handy 2nd spinner but nothing more, he should not be leading the attack in India.

Posted by sss_m19 on (January 8, 2013, 17:16 GMT)

Gambhir would have thought after winning KKR deal ,Shahrukh will take care of his position in Indian team so that he need not play..may be now after sehwag dropping & seeing other indian openers performance, he might change his opinion..hope even the indian team mentality changes who thought after winning the 2011 world cup..just with their presence on the ground will win them games..

Posted by sachin_vvsfan on (January 8, 2013, 17:16 GMT)

This win doesn't matter as there are not too many changes in our national side.One advantage England clearly gained with these practice matches was they found out patel is bits and pieces player. I hope he is selected against India as we also have some bits and pieces players (you know who it is). There should be some level playing after all.

Posted by   on (January 8, 2013, 17:15 GMT)

Both the warm up matches lost by England team. They even lose to Delhi local team.getting some unexpected result!! can't believe it.

Lets see what India team can do with England :) :)

Posted by crafty-Rabbi on (January 8, 2013, 17:15 GMT)

Well done Delhi. Especially their opener. But England has not really fielded a competitive team. I suspect that the England 2nd 11 are still getting over their Christmas pudding plus "Delhi Belly". Never-the -less if you are confident enough to play your second eleven, you had better make sure you win as you permit a dreadful Indian side with momentum. Pakistan failed to secure a "brown wash" and so now India have "The camel's nose under the tent." My prediction is an Indian victory 3-2, but not another "brown wash."

Posted by Nampally on (January 8, 2013, 17:11 GMT)

Great to see 2 Second teams of India winning against England in the 2 practice ODI's. Hopefully Dhoni's India can repeat these wins. I think with only one change in the squad., it is poor selection by a bunch of "Rookie" selectors. Only change to the Top 5 batting is addition of Pujara! It was the same Selectors who gave away the Tests &ODI wins to England & Pakistan. Before selecting any squad the Selectors should have the "Basis for Team selection" established. Right now it is more political than Form or performance. None of the players from either of these 2 match winning Indian teams are in the Dhoni's Indian Squad. When the openers for Dhoni's India XI are in such poor form, why was Sehwag not replaced with either Mukund or S.Dhawan- both scored many centuries in Ranji this year? How does Gambhir make the squad? Pujara was excluded from Pakistan series after averaging 87 vs. England in 4 Tests - Shocking! Best Spinner in Ranji -S.Nadeem - does not even get in India A -Why?

Posted by saaacheeen on (January 8, 2013, 17:06 GMT)

Looks like England is missing Anderson, Broad, and Swann badly..

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on (January 8, 2013, 16:58 GMT)

These two wins by our domestic teams will put our main team under immense pressure. I'm loving this. Bring it on England. Please smash the underperformers in our team so that the selectors will have no choice but to drop Gambhir, Raina and Nohit Sharma. Please do us this favour.

Posted by A_Vacant_Slip on (January 8, 2013, 16:55 GMT)

I see one or two people getting worked up to full volume regarding this warm-up game. I cannot for the life of me think why. It just gos to show how desperate some people are, or, given recent results for indian national team - how desperate they have become.

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 8, 2013, 16:55 GMT)

Was this on the same wicket where Pak couldn't even chase 167? If that is so then this is a great chase by Delhi cos it came against an intl attack. I hope Ind national team takes some notes out of this match and prepares accordingly. I hope Fletcher is watching this.

Posted by Selassie-I on (January 8, 2013, 16:54 GMT)

Ha... that's a bit embarassing for us :-s. Although it's hard to complain too much with a 2nd string side. Also why are we still bothering with Dernbach, he can play t20, but is completley useless for anything longer.

Posted by jackiethepen on (January 8, 2013, 16:51 GMT)

I read the original report from Shetty. All the positive remarks he made about Bell's innings have been removed. Did he edit it or did it get edited in England? Bell put on a century partnership (113) with Morgan with a RR of 7.45 so he accelerated in the second half of his innings. There were comments from Shetty about scratchiness at the beginning but there was also compliments about Bell's fluent passages and stroke play. In the bin are they? Hope the Editor looks into this. From this reading you would wonder how Bell managed to get a ton with 10 4s and 2 sixes. His partnership with Morgan was crucial. Our bowlers are in the dock but our batsmen are nicely ticking over.

Posted by Al_Bundy1 on (January 8, 2013, 16:49 GMT)

This is what I have been talking about!! We have enough talented youngsters to form not 1, but 3 top cricket teams. It's the Indian Selectors who don't see that way - they keep selecting players on past reputation, not current form. It's time to drop Gambhir and give a chance to Dhawan in ODI, and Jaffer in Tests. Same thing with middle order batsmen - give a chance to Rayudu, Mandeep, Manish Pandey, etc. in place of the same old Rohit, Yuvraj, Raina, etc.

Posted by Romenevans on (January 8, 2013, 16:48 GMT)

The irony is that this Delhi and India A team would beat current Indian team anyday! Ohh the CSK + BCCI nexus.......'nuff said!

Posted by yezdi70 on (January 8, 2013, 16:46 GMT)

@ CricketingStargazer: Dont you worry matey. The Indian national team will gift the matches away to England (assuming the English team allow the Indian team to get in that position in the first place). Rest assured it will be another series won for England.

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on (January 8, 2013, 16:45 GMT)

While our regular team is finding it hard to post a score past 200 in ODIs, our domestic teams are chasing down scores close to 300. Says a lot about our batting failures. Good riddance that Statchin is out and Sehwag has been dropped. Time to chop Gambhir and Raina. I say it again, there's no dearth of talent batting and bowling wise in our domestic cricket. A certain player's fans and selectors are being myopic. Well done Delhi! Good wake-up call for some blind fans of a certain player and selectors.

Posted by Narkovian on (January 8, 2013, 16:44 GMT)

Luckily India are pretty poor at the moment. But with this England 2ndXI, I am expecting ENG will lose this series convincingly. I kind of understand resting players, but the reality is ENG have no respect for ODIs. The bowling is definitely lightweight. Dernbach- just a "trick" bowler who has pretty much been sussed by now. Patel - what's he doing there at all ? Bresnan - ordinary. I know he can't bat.. but I think ENG will miss Monty before we are done. He's a class bowler since his second coming. Actually.. does anyone in ENG care what the result is. ? It'll all be forgotten in 3 weeks tme anyway. Cheers.

Posted by   on (January 8, 2013, 16:43 GMT)

Dhawan should get a chance to open for india in place of Gambeer and pujara can be his opening partner then kohli yuvi dhoni raina , Jadeja, b kumar aswin/jalaj saxena, ishant,shami can be a good one day team

Posted by   on (January 8, 2013, 16:42 GMT)

Why is Dhoni still the captain of this Indian ODI/test side? High time he passed the mantle onto some one younger.

Posted by bluebillion on (January 8, 2013, 16:34 GMT)

Lets not get carried with away with Dhawan's performance. He is one of those like Vijay and Badri who never do well for India. Lets face it, he has played 5 ODIs and made 69 runs at an average of 13.8! I for one still believe that the batting line up chosen for the 3 ODIs + plus Sehwag are still the ones who will do it for India. Hope Yadav and Aaron recover quickly from their injuries quickly too.

Posted by Tigg on (January 8, 2013, 16:30 GMT)

@Bhanu ODIs are not as good as tests. Ever.

Posted by AMAZINGFAN on (January 8, 2013, 16:28 GMT)

@JG2704,sir appearances can be deceiving(ofcourse famous matrix dialogue),if ur eng side wasn't at full strength then so was ind A and delhi, but they managed to beat ur side easily.....i don't know what anderson cud have done in this series as he is not the same bowler in odis like he is test and ind batsmen played anderson very well in odi series back in 2011(happened in eng)..... and then less said is better abt swann's performance against ind in odis....

@tony122,i fear that these players might never get the chance to represent ind as our selectors don't have the guts to replace non-performing stars like gambhir,rohit,yuvraj.....cricinfo pls publish

Posted by   on (January 8, 2013, 16:27 GMT)

Well to all who wonder why these guys arent in the national squad, .. welcome to the Indian system and selection process!! This aint new and this isnt the last time either. With the 10-15 years i've been watching indian cricket, we have lost more than a handful of tendulkars, dravids, kapil devs,srinaths, dhonis, gangulys in this manner! In fact, there were so many lost that a book can be published on them!. This is the reason why I wanted pakistan and other teams to whitewash us cos its that hard to bring wholesale changes to an Indian cricket team! Our system is THAT rigid! That hard and maybe a little bit more! You score runs or get wickets for some matches and u get the next 100 failures free and u are unquestioned. At least Once we have a young side, then we can at least breath for a while with this rigid system(cos like i said, they dont change established players until forever!!!)

Posted by sckandy on (January 8, 2013, 16:25 GMT)

Sehwag was the only culprit and reason for India's series lost against England,Pakistan etc.(He is the only omission for Ind Vs Eng ODI Team)and poor performers like Rohit shrma,Gambhir still in the team. Instead of Gambhir why don't they give chance to Dhawan and instead of Rohit why they don't give chance to Rayidu, now the team selection and team performance is going backwards like inthe 90's...

Posted by   on (January 8, 2013, 16:19 GMT)

haah! Team India is slowly getting back to its best.. way to go! 5-0 in favor of india.

Posted by lonewarriorram on (January 8, 2013, 16:19 GMT)

@tommytuckersaffa. The bitter truth is that selectors go by star names rather than performance. How could Rohit Sharma made it into team after his poor returns since he played against WI in 2011. Just look at Ajinkya Rahane FC avg. 62.23. He was warming bench when Indian openers were struggling across all the formats post WC-11.

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (January 8, 2013, 16:17 GMT)

What is so shocking about this defeat? How can a squad that consists of Patel coming in at number 4 be called "full-strength" England team? Again, the spinners dominated the bowling and there is no sign of England even considering Briggs; Magic Monty is not even in the squad.

Posted by doors666 on (January 8, 2013, 16:07 GMT)

india A as well as delhi defeated england. If now our national side goes and looses this series, that will show not only the team but also the selectors in very poor light. I mean that basically proves that india has talent to defeat england, but our selectors fail to pick the right people.

Posted by ashes61 on (January 8, 2013, 16:01 GMT)

Just a small point, Amit, but hopefully one worth making: One doesn't "breach through a defence." One "breaches a defence" or one "gets through" or "finds a way through" a defence. If one uses the verb "to breach" it isn't necessary (and would be wrong) to add the preposition "through."

Posted by Dasarathy on (January 8, 2013, 15:59 GMT)

In the recent Pak series our batsman who had great names, let down the team and made way for the Pak victory. No batsman in the top and middle order except dhoni performed upto their potential. But in the Eng tour game the batsman who are not playing in the international platform for India did very well particularly in chasing the huge target in pressure comfortably against the Eng international team. Our branded great players are struggling to find form to maintain their place in the team and not for the team victory. Dhawan with no pressure faced the Eng bowlers and blasted them, making a good start which made the way for India A victory.

Posted by CandidIndian on (January 8, 2013, 15:51 GMT)

Huge confusion for Indian fans ,we should celebrate or pull our hair in frustration? India A side ,U19 Indian side, Indian Ranji teams are competing much better than our national side.

Posted by baranasai on (January 8, 2013, 15:47 GMT)

The Delhi team or Indian A team Might have done well in one off matches against the touring teams.However the same players given chance in Indian team might have performed poorly.This applies to people like Awana Nayar Unkat Vijay etc. however the present teams have players of unprroven worth who keep getting chances again ?? like Rohit Shrama who has 3.4,4 .4 etc still he is in the team as there are no beteter players as per BCCI they are adamant they wont give chnace to Badri who is a better player .same again why should Jadeja be in the team when he has doen below average mostly. somne are lucky to be in the team.I feel despite the early looses England team has much betetr bowling to bother indian poor batsmen esp first 4 0r 5.lets face it .the bowlers are no better against england or pakistan so far /so what do u expect /4:1 for England it is time BCCI gives chance to more youngsters-if some of them stabile then it will be good for long term / we need new fresh bowlers and batsme

Posted by Dev-Mitra on (January 8, 2013, 15:42 GMT)

Agree with spiritwithin and tony122. The selectors need to have more courage to select these youngsters instead of giving repeated opportunities to the few who fail consistently. If I was a young cricketer in India, I would be disillusioned and disheartened. Crying shame

Posted by   on (January 8, 2013, 15:39 GMT)

Seshachalam thats fickle!KOhli is not totally out of form!Just 1 bad series!Give him a bit of time!

Posted by JG2704 on (January 8, 2013, 15:36 GMT)

@MAR00N5 on (January 08 2013, 13:28 PM GMT) Wasn't making an excuse - merely correcting a person who said it was a full strength England side that played India A and I was correct in pointing out those facts. If you read the report/comms on the game I made no excuses there either

@Nish_US on (January 08 2013, 14:41 PM GMT) No bud - I meant exactly the 4 players I referred to as the comm was in response to the team fielded in the previous match where Cook didn't play. If you include Broad (which I didn't due to his lack of form) that would be 5 players but the other 4 would be definite starters in the selectors strongest side - though not necessarily mine.

Posted by S.Seshachalam on (January 8, 2013, 15:27 GMT)

If not for test matches, the selectors should make 100% changes to the ODI team comprising only of youngsters who have proved well in domestic & U-19 international matches, and also make Unmukt Chand the captain. ( leave out all the present stars including Kohli). This will be a very advanced preparation for 2015 world cup and I am sure these youngsters will be capable of winning the 2015 world cup in Australia. Unmukt has already proved it by lifting the U-19 world cup. Patil Sir, be brave enough and take a call immediately for the good future of Indian cricket.

Posted by darstar on (January 8, 2013, 15:27 GMT)

I suppose these were flat pitches!! Suggests, India has a better chance of winning on tracks like this. Curators got it wrong for the test series. Perhaps, Dhoni got it wrong!! India will win the one day series if they play on flat wickets. Any help from the pitch will assist the english bowlers. In any case - England need to play two spinners. I agree to some of the posts saying Delhi might beat India. Not necessarily skill wise, it is the mind set. India need to rediscover their confidence.

Posted by   on (January 8, 2013, 15:26 GMT)

LOL ODIs are as good as tests! T20 I understand but taking ODI lightly? That is rather an excuse Jeremy!

Posted by landl47 on (January 8, 2013, 15:26 GMT)

@tony122: yes, this was a near full strength England side. Only Anderson was missing- apart from Swann, that is. Oh, and Trott. Of course, Broad wasn't there and England didn't have Bresnan in this game. I suppose KP might also just make the team.

But otherwise, a full strength England side.

Posted by bmans on (January 8, 2013, 15:26 GMT)

Oh..Poor Dhawan. He has been scoring runs very regularly from past 2-3 years and yet cant get into Indian team. I though only reason Gambhir was in the side is because India wanted a left hander at the top of the order. They could have well replaced him with Dhawan. And Poor Wasim Jaffer. He is scoring 100's at ease and still cant get back into the Indian Test Team.

Posted by Boston_Legal on (January 8, 2013, 15:24 GMT)

@ MAR00N5 - even I thought about Sehwag not being in the game, but probably he wasn't in the top two openers in the Delhi side. Anyway I think England will do a lot better against India - they are about four batsmen and two spinners short at the moment. Briggs should play though.

Posted by Dandy_s on (January 8, 2013, 15:21 GMT)

If indian team fails against the english team in the first 3 ODI's also then indian selectors Should drop Gambhir,Yuvi,Kohli,Raina, Ashwin,Dhoni to shake things up a bit and give a wake up call to these guys, S.Dhawan,K.Jadhav,R.Bist,CM Gautam,P.Patel and S.Nadeem should be played instead in the last 2 matches

Posted by Valavan on (January 8, 2013, 15:21 GMT)

@MAROON5, @gsingh7, were you the ones who underplayed Test warm ups and said Ashwin, Ojha will teach spin lessons to England, yep Delhi played well, so as India A. Wait and watch mate, KP and Cook single handedly whitewashed PAK in UAE. But for me This is a good wake up call for ENGLAND to regroup at ODIs, WARM UPS to get WARMED UP, so dont blow your trumpets, pathetic singh and maroon5. cricinfo please publish.

Posted by   on (January 8, 2013, 15:15 GMT)

The two practice matches show that BCCI's and/or the selectors' talent scouting across the country is extremely poor. I accept, that these are just practice games. Still...it proves the point. No touring team would want to start with two defeats before a 5-match international series. So, we have to give some credence to these two results.

There are players out there, in various Ranji teams, who are far better than many of those who played for India A & Delhi, in these two matches.

Delhi was without Sehwag, Gambhir, Kohli & Ishant. May be, that is why they won. It proves another point. Authorities resistance to change, or vested interests holding on to players who have become totally ineffective. The national team need a complete overhauling.

By the way, when are we going to see the photos and media reports of Duncan Fletcher's send-off party?

Posted by TommytuckerSaffa on (January 8, 2013, 15:09 GMT)

Shikhar Dhawan is 27 years old and has a FC average of 46...why isnt he playing Test Cricket for India??!!!??

Posted by Amit_V on (January 8, 2013, 15:08 GMT)

Such a shame that we have soooo much talent and it seems that only the BCCI and it's pathetic selectors seem to realise it. Stop causing a nation pain with your stubborness and give some of these guys who are hungry for success a chance! India and always proud!

Posted by EnglishCricket on (January 8, 2013, 15:05 GMT)

Don't understand why Indian fans are laughing, our players are just warming up and not taking these A or B games seriously. They were just nice to those Indian players knowing that its difficult to get into the Indian team and they may not have a chance therefore taking chances. We will win this series as well India, we're no pushovers.

Posted by The_bowlers_Holding on (January 8, 2013, 15:04 GMT)

A good score posted by England but it looks like Delhi chased it down relatively easily. This was a warm up match but the lack of penetration is a concern with the real thing imminent, gsingh7 good to see you have started posting the same repetitive tosh to all and sundry since India won the dead rubber - where did you disappear to when your team of superstars were getting royally whupped? Fair weather fan methinks.

Posted by MAN_AT_WORK on (January 8, 2013, 15:00 GMT)

England wake up Christmas is over or u have had too much this Christmas to move ur back side ?

Posted by RolandC on (January 8, 2013, 14:57 GMT)

England are repeating the error of the 1st Test by relying on seamers for this series, where spinners do the damage. Without Panesar and Swann, the team is going to struggle to get wickets and keep the run rate down. Congrats to Delhi and India A on good performances.

Posted by spiritwithin on (January 8, 2013, 14:47 GMT)

at present India 'A' or this Delhi side will easily beat india's senior team,dont understand what BCCI selectors doing at the moment,how long will they give chances to Rohit Sharma,Gambhir,Jadeja..

Posted by   on (January 8, 2013, 14:46 GMT)

Who cares, these are only ODIs...

Posted by matchfixerpkn on (January 8, 2013, 14:41 GMT)

haha..now delhi and indian a team defeated enland..hahah..now indian original team will be more confused and more under pressure ....poor boys

Posted by Nish_US on (January 8, 2013, 14:41 GMT)

@ JG2704 I see that cook played the game. I guess you meant KP & Broad.

Posted by CricketingStargazer on (January 8, 2013, 14:39 GMT)

To lose one was unfortunate. To lose both sounds like carelessness! This was the problem that I feared: England can set big targets, but not necessarily defend them. I am definitely concerned about the lack of impact that Steve Finn is making. Definitely a wake-up call. Hopefully though, the opposition in the ODIs will be weaker than the opposition in the two warm-ups! :-)

Posted by tony122 on (January 8, 2013, 14:39 GMT)

This is a wake up call for selectors, a good but not great Indian state team defeats English side which i think is near full strength. I am not saying Delhi team is superior to English One day team,even in home conditions. But it surely shows the selectors are timid and unjustly shy of picking youngsters.

Posted by gsingh7 on (January 8, 2013, 14:37 GMT)

i am seeing another 5-0 whitewash to poms , 3 peat, hope dhoni bat first in all 5 matches

Posted by lonewarriorram on (January 8, 2013, 14:35 GMT)

Delhi won. Looks like Giles have to wait a long time to register first win under his coaching stinct. Like India A openers, even Delhi openers gave good start today. Wonder why these selectors don't take bold steps to utilize the inform players in place of underperformers who are still in the team.

Posted by QingdaoXI on (January 8, 2013, 14:34 GMT)

@MAROON5 not only them players like Awana, Aaron, Abdulla, Ojha, Chand, Nayar, Uttappa, Yusuf Pathan, and many more. That India A team was built form the team who were out of the Ranji trophy knock-outs. Still today Delhi has beat England and after scoring loads of runs england failed to defend the target. Well Played Dhawan and company.

Posted by Trickstar on (January 8, 2013, 14:30 GMT)

Very strange looking side from England and no way can you play only one proper spinner, Briggs has got to play in the one-dayers proper. That attack looks far too dodgy to me, who's far too reliant on Finn, who's coming back from injury he got in the test matches last month.

Posted by Jalz007 on (January 8, 2013, 14:29 GMT)

Commendable Moral Victory for India " A", It should boost the confidence of the Indian National Team, who are de-moralised!!!!

Posted by Neeta on (January 8, 2013, 14:27 GMT)

hahahaha, now even the delhi team has beaten the English side, are the selectors seeing what is happening around them or are they still blind to accept the fact that we need to bring in youngsters or just change the side around it to give a more youthful look to it? Well played Dhawan, Milind, Bhatia and Chand.

Posted by   on (January 8, 2013, 14:24 GMT)

And Delhi win it. Well batted Dhawan and especially Milind Kumar - he's only 21, shall we be seeing more of him?

Posted by 30-30-150 on (January 8, 2013, 13:28 GMT)

@JG2704 - That's not an excuse for losing. India A were missing Tiwary, Rayudu, Pandey, Mandeep, Saha, Rahul Sharma, Ahmed, Patel etc. And yes, Dhawan too :) Wonder why that team was called "India A", in the first place.

Posted by JG2704 on (January 8, 2013, 12:38 GMT)

@flavoidastic on (January 08 2013, 12:00 PM GMT) re "India A team defeated full strength England team" apart from Cook,Trott,Swann and Anderson then you're right - it is a full strength side , but you're right in that it's time for India to make more brave decisions and bring in younger players. The older guard will have to be replaced at some stage

Posted by flavoidastic on (January 8, 2013, 12:00 GMT)

India A team defeated full strength England team and Delhi team is also playing well against them..Wonder why don't Indian team try these youngsters..They seem promising..

Posted by 30-30-150 on (January 8, 2013, 11:43 GMT)

Sehwag should have played this match instead of sitting back at home doing nothing..

Posted by balajeev on (January 8, 2013, 11:34 GMT)

Say, what happened to Fletcher's logic of affording touring teams practice only against third-rate teams ? Maybe he realized that India at the moment is a third-rate team anyway.

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