England in India 2012-13 January 13, 2013

Patel savours unfamiliar England success

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Samit Patel, born in Leicester but of Indian heritage, knows a bit about cricket on the subcontinent. And having taken part in ten consecutive ODI defeats with England in India, he was well placed to put into context their success in the first match of the current series in Rajkot.

England's nine-run win was their first ODI victory in India since 2006 - and even that was the blip in a 5-1 thrashing. In 2008 and 2011, on each occasion Patel was a member of the side that lost 5-0 and when England last went to Rajkot four years ago, in a match played at the old Madhavrao Scindia Stadium, they suffered a 158-run mauling. That was Patel's seventh ODI appearance, and his first experience of defeat, but it was soon to become a wearyingly repetitive one.

"I've been here for ten ODIs before and lost all ten," he said. "It's just great to get a win here. Sometimes people don't realise how much of an effort it is to beat these guys over here. They're just good players in their own back yard. They play good one-day cricket all around the world but in India they dominate spinners and they dominate cricket in general.

"On past tours here we've not even won a warm-up game. To win the first ODI in Rajkot was fantastic. We lost the first two warm-ups again so we knew how crucial it was. We knew the boys were ready but what a great win and what a great start."

Patel has forged a reputation as one of England's best players of spin - his top scores in both limited-overs formats have come on the subcontinent - but it was against India's quicks that he did the damage during the final overs at Rajkot, clubbing 44 from just 20 balls to hoist England to a defendable total. The sensation of victory, at least, should help make up for the lack of applause.

"To play India in 2008 was quite demoralising," he said. "We put up good scores and they knocked them off; they put up good scores and we got nowhere near them. As a batsman when you hit a boundary and you don't get a clap it can be a bit hurtful really. You know you've played a good shot and no one's really appreciated it. That can eat a bit under your skin but it's about how you handle it."

England have not won an ODI series in India since 1984-85, when they had their sole success, and recent tours have resembled something like a nonviolent resistance, without the same end result. But despite well-documented weaknesses against slow bowling, Alastair Cook led the one-day side to an unexpected whitewash of Pakistan in the UAE last year and followed that up with a Test series triumph in India for the first time since that same tour of '84-85. Such improvements, suggests Patel, have given the squad confidence that they can pull off another upset.

"I think the way we've learned how to play their spinners is outstanding and a credit to us as a team because in past tours we've struggled," he said. "It just shows if you put in the hard yards and you learn you get your rewards.

"The Test series win was outstanding. It took a lot of courage, a lot of desire, a lot of hard work. It is something good to be a part of and I think [the one-day squad] can achieve it if we stay calm and level headed. If we look to be positive and back our own ability then we have a good chance."

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  • landl47 on January 14, 2013, 2:04 GMT

    It was great to see England win an ODI in India after having such a poor record recently. The batting looks fairly good now, there's clearly been a lot of work done to improve techniques and attitudes (and let's face it, India hasn't got the strongest bowling attack in the world either).

    The bowling is still a concern, though. Without the bowlers who won the test series England looks at least one seamer and one spinner short (I still have no idea why Panesar wasn't selected) and persisting with Dernbach appears to be sheer pigheadedness. The guy picks up a couple of wickets at the death when batsmen are slogging at everything and his career record of an economy rate of over 6 is forgotten and forgiven. England has half-a-dozen bowlers, some on this tour, some not, who would do a better job.

    I hope England can win the series, but with this bowling attack I'm sure not counting on it.

  • jmcilhinney on January 14, 2013, 0:51 GMT

    I'm pleased for all the England players to have chalked up this win and for Patel in particular for having made a significant contribution. I'm still not convinced that Patel is part of England's best team going forward but the fact that there aren't too many batsman who can bowl some overs works in his favour. Not that his bowling is getting used all that much right now, but that may change. I think that India are probably still favourites to take this current series but even one win is an improvement for England. It was my primary desire that they be competitive in all games and they look like being able to do that. Their fielding has improved and that is a very good sign. I think that England winning this series is a realistic possibility, although I still wouldn't be putting money on it at this stage.

  • 10Devils on January 15, 2013, 4:55 GMT

    I hope Mr. D includes Pujara, Dhawan, Milind, Mishra ji, Shami, Irfan, and Sood in the playing eleven so that world cup winners get some rest. I think they need more rest................. By the way no matter what India will come out as a winner today. Request to Mr. D.... please give these youngsters a chance in this crucial times and then you watch Mr. D what they can do for you!

  • womenlovecricket on January 14, 2013, 15:36 GMT

    @Haq33 -- I didnt use the bad period as an excuse. I only meant that India is not at its best at the moment with lots of players out of form nor did I support India fully. Players like Sehwag, Sachin, Dravid etc are great legends and they deserve the praise but they were not the only one who took India to the top in every format - it was a team work that worked. I agree with you in the sense that the board should have foreseen this a long time ago and slowly eased the new players into the game. The board should first hire one of the great West Indian fast bowlers who made sure West Indian didnt lose a single test series in 15 years - one of them will be a brilliant coach. Secondly the board and Dhoni have to be ruthless and say if a player doesnt perform after 4-5 matches then give them a break for a few weeks and try a new player - no matter who the player is.

  • on January 14, 2013, 15:35 GMT

    julie now we dont have players who can do well even on flat tracks so stop labelling the indians as flat track bully

  • class9ryan on January 14, 2013, 14:31 GMT

    English team winning in the subcontinent after a long time is very pleasing. The players spinners well is a very good thing and we see that most of d teams have started playing very good cricket in subcontinent but very sad to see india's performance abroad

  • haq33 on January 14, 2013, 13:59 GMT

    Womenlovecricket....u claim India is "not at its best" which is a similar tune as the "transition" excuse. If U were dependent on srt or seawhag firing with the bat every time and now claim to be in transition or not at your best because those 2 are finished, then what kind of team were India all of these years? A 2-man team perhaps? Now you have vk and msd but they fail to fire and suddenly India are "in transition". This is a nonsensical excuse and in fact represents poor planning, poor training, poor on-field batting technique and lack of bench strength, I.e. A poor team overall, notwithstanding the permanent lack of pace bowlers. Every team could claim this transition excuse when their top players retire but surely the board should see it coming! Real transition would be due to surprise losses of players, Pakistan for example could claim to be in perpetual transition since we don't play at home and lost our strike bowlers to surprise scandals.

  • RedRoseMan on January 14, 2013, 13:44 GMT

    For those knocking England's bowling - and knocking England for beating an Indian team well short of its best - don't forget that England's line-up excluded their top three ODI bowlers. Anderson and Swann were rested and Broad is still recovering from injury. So though I agree that there were clear vulnerabilities in the bowling, this was close to being an England second XI in the bowling department.

    I am actually quite genuinely looking forward to the forthcoming Australian tour of India because it will give us a better view as to which of the cricketing super-powers of the last decade has fallen furthest. For what it is worth, my money is on India for the very simple reason that they do have some spin bowlers and the Australian batting (with the exception of Clarke) looks vulnerable to any sort of bowling - but spin in particular.

  • itsthewayuplay on January 14, 2013, 13:24 GMT

    @Facebook (January 14 2013, 09:53 AM GMT) After the test series defeat including one on a featherbed of a track and the first ODI to England on another batting paradise, India is no longer even a flat track bully.

  • itsthewayuplay on January 14, 2013, 13:19 GMT

    @womenlovecricket I have to disagree with you. After 8-0 away in tests 2-1 in home test to England and 2-1 Pakistan in ODI series, this not a blip or one-off. . Results are one thing and there's no shame in losing but commitment and competing are another and to lose without showing or giving both of the latter is embarassing. The reality is that this is the best India can offer at the moment.

    I do however agree with you on the 'to be the best you have beat the best' and England's ODI record to date is there for everyone to see. But you can only beat the team put in front of you and you can't do anything about the quality of the opposition. So if England wins, they're entitled to celebrate but they'd do well to put victory into perspective by acknowledging that beating this current Indian team in India is probably equivalent to beating Bangladesh in Bangladesh.

  • landl47 on January 14, 2013, 2:04 GMT

    It was great to see England win an ODI in India after having such a poor record recently. The batting looks fairly good now, there's clearly been a lot of work done to improve techniques and attitudes (and let's face it, India hasn't got the strongest bowling attack in the world either).

    The bowling is still a concern, though. Without the bowlers who won the test series England looks at least one seamer and one spinner short (I still have no idea why Panesar wasn't selected) and persisting with Dernbach appears to be sheer pigheadedness. The guy picks up a couple of wickets at the death when batsmen are slogging at everything and his career record of an economy rate of over 6 is forgotten and forgiven. England has half-a-dozen bowlers, some on this tour, some not, who would do a better job.

    I hope England can win the series, but with this bowling attack I'm sure not counting on it.

  • jmcilhinney on January 14, 2013, 0:51 GMT

    I'm pleased for all the England players to have chalked up this win and for Patel in particular for having made a significant contribution. I'm still not convinced that Patel is part of England's best team going forward but the fact that there aren't too many batsman who can bowl some overs works in his favour. Not that his bowling is getting used all that much right now, but that may change. I think that India are probably still favourites to take this current series but even one win is an improvement for England. It was my primary desire that they be competitive in all games and they look like being able to do that. Their fielding has improved and that is a very good sign. I think that England winning this series is a realistic possibility, although I still wouldn't be putting money on it at this stage.

  • 10Devils on January 15, 2013, 4:55 GMT

    I hope Mr. D includes Pujara, Dhawan, Milind, Mishra ji, Shami, Irfan, and Sood in the playing eleven so that world cup winners get some rest. I think they need more rest................. By the way no matter what India will come out as a winner today. Request to Mr. D.... please give these youngsters a chance in this crucial times and then you watch Mr. D what they can do for you!

  • womenlovecricket on January 14, 2013, 15:36 GMT

    @Haq33 -- I didnt use the bad period as an excuse. I only meant that India is not at its best at the moment with lots of players out of form nor did I support India fully. Players like Sehwag, Sachin, Dravid etc are great legends and they deserve the praise but they were not the only one who took India to the top in every format - it was a team work that worked. I agree with you in the sense that the board should have foreseen this a long time ago and slowly eased the new players into the game. The board should first hire one of the great West Indian fast bowlers who made sure West Indian didnt lose a single test series in 15 years - one of them will be a brilliant coach. Secondly the board and Dhoni have to be ruthless and say if a player doesnt perform after 4-5 matches then give them a break for a few weeks and try a new player - no matter who the player is.

  • on January 14, 2013, 15:35 GMT

    julie now we dont have players who can do well even on flat tracks so stop labelling the indians as flat track bully

  • class9ryan on January 14, 2013, 14:31 GMT

    English team winning in the subcontinent after a long time is very pleasing. The players spinners well is a very good thing and we see that most of d teams have started playing very good cricket in subcontinent but very sad to see india's performance abroad

  • haq33 on January 14, 2013, 13:59 GMT

    Womenlovecricket....u claim India is "not at its best" which is a similar tune as the "transition" excuse. If U were dependent on srt or seawhag firing with the bat every time and now claim to be in transition or not at your best because those 2 are finished, then what kind of team were India all of these years? A 2-man team perhaps? Now you have vk and msd but they fail to fire and suddenly India are "in transition". This is a nonsensical excuse and in fact represents poor planning, poor training, poor on-field batting technique and lack of bench strength, I.e. A poor team overall, notwithstanding the permanent lack of pace bowlers. Every team could claim this transition excuse when their top players retire but surely the board should see it coming! Real transition would be due to surprise losses of players, Pakistan for example could claim to be in perpetual transition since we don't play at home and lost our strike bowlers to surprise scandals.

  • RedRoseMan on January 14, 2013, 13:44 GMT

    For those knocking England's bowling - and knocking England for beating an Indian team well short of its best - don't forget that England's line-up excluded their top three ODI bowlers. Anderson and Swann were rested and Broad is still recovering from injury. So though I agree that there were clear vulnerabilities in the bowling, this was close to being an England second XI in the bowling department.

    I am actually quite genuinely looking forward to the forthcoming Australian tour of India because it will give us a better view as to which of the cricketing super-powers of the last decade has fallen furthest. For what it is worth, my money is on India for the very simple reason that they do have some spin bowlers and the Australian batting (with the exception of Clarke) looks vulnerable to any sort of bowling - but spin in particular.

  • itsthewayuplay on January 14, 2013, 13:24 GMT

    @Facebook (January 14 2013, 09:53 AM GMT) After the test series defeat including one on a featherbed of a track and the first ODI to England on another batting paradise, India is no longer even a flat track bully.

  • itsthewayuplay on January 14, 2013, 13:19 GMT

    @womenlovecricket I have to disagree with you. After 8-0 away in tests 2-1 in home test to England and 2-1 Pakistan in ODI series, this not a blip or one-off. . Results are one thing and there's no shame in losing but commitment and competing are another and to lose without showing or giving both of the latter is embarassing. The reality is that this is the best India can offer at the moment.

    I do however agree with you on the 'to be the best you have beat the best' and England's ODI record to date is there for everyone to see. But you can only beat the team put in front of you and you can't do anything about the quality of the opposition. So if England wins, they're entitled to celebrate but they'd do well to put victory into perspective by acknowledging that beating this current Indian team in India is probably equivalent to beating Bangladesh in Bangladesh.

  • womenlovecricket on January 14, 2013, 12:36 GMT

    Why is everyone celebrating that England might trash India before it even happened? To be honest it is not a wonderful thing for England to beat India while India is not at its best. To be the best - you have to beat the best - while they are at their best. India in going through a hard phase and is struggling to find it's best players. To beat a team who is not at its best is nothing to boost nor celebrate about, so even if England managed to win the series in the world of cricket it doesn't matter. It might say that England has managed to win a series in India after 1984-85 but that's all.

  • on January 14, 2013, 9:53 GMT

    @Fast_Track_Bully. Don't get angry mate. actually indians are gr8 only at flat track. and you people call them great. like once you told about raina. pujara will be same. just wait, within 3 yrs. he will be out of team. i am just waiting to see how inida survives at south africa. hope, sir ravindra jadeja will make a 500 and will take 10 wkts in single over.

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on January 14, 2013, 9:08 GMT

    "Samit Patel, born in Leicester but of Indian heritage..." - is this in response to all the excuses about the England team having so many non-Engand born players?

  • ste13 on January 14, 2013, 8:02 GMT

    If England somehow discover that Dernbasch is not even club level and find good replacement, India may struggle to win a single game.

  • on January 14, 2013, 7:44 GMT

    Gud to see England thrashing India...As an Indian its hard to digest mismanagement of cricket or any other sport,but have to livewith.Without an doubt we are actually not focussing on the right areas.

  • prvn_hs on January 14, 2013, 7:06 GMT

    Indian cricket fans likes only hard swinging batsmen. Even in bollywood movies the hero must be a good batsman rather than a bowler. The MOM are reserved for batsmen.The media also give hype to a guy who hits 20runs of 10 ball rather than a bowler who bowls with eco.rate less than 3... the management and selection committee tried to build a batsmen team rather than a balanced team.what they don't understand is to win is whole team effort one. Under testing condition indians loose miserably if the batting part stumbles or though scoring a good total can't defend it(They couldn't save the tendulkar's 100th century match! What a shame!). Rather than blaming poor bowling dept. and hailing batsmen all the way try to encourage the bowlers by some means...think of pak and

  • bn04 on January 14, 2013, 4:43 GMT

    Albert,

    It's just matter of time. India became world number one team without top level bowlers. That speaks the quality of batsman. Things have changed now. India is playing poor cricket and that's due to IPL and BCCI policies. I have no doubt that England is playing much better than India in test cricket. England is not a very good one day unit though. Just wait and see Pujara's record after 5 years...He is there to stay and make it big.

  • on January 14, 2013, 4:35 GMT

    I dont think anyone will be surprised if England whitewash India in ODI series as well. In the test series they took time to settle down and by that time lost the first test otherwise they would have secured the whitewash then as well. Patel has maintained his glut to perform in India and was leading one in the media during the tests. If he is an british then nothing wrong being loyal to them and it is the honest approach I will say. England had a good warmup in the first match and now they know where to hit indian bowlers specially Ashwin who is totally out of sorts. I will certainly question place in the team. Indian start in the batting in Rajkot was deft pushes behind the wicket using the pace some mishits as well and with spin they had to play down the wicket and not easy runs were on offer. Hope that Patel will have a dream series and score brilliantly as he did in rajkot.

  • Fast_Track_Bully on January 14, 2013, 4:27 GMT

    @ Albert_cambel. Too funny. You are able to find a batsman (Dhoni) who is in top 5 ODI ranking in your street? and he is not able to make it in you playing 11???. Do not forget that the form of Yuvaraj and Gambhir let you to comment like this. How dare you to compare a 3rd class batsmen like Patel with youngsters like Rahane and a good test player like Pujara! Form is temporary, class is permanent - mind it.

  • Albert_cambell on January 14, 2013, 3:07 GMT

    @gsingh7 . I agree with u mate. india should try to get patel playing for india. Since india dont talented cricketers in their domestic circuit. They have one true talent. Thats kohli. The rest are street level stuff. Batsmans like pujara and rahane can be found in every streets of manchester.

  • Front-Foot-Lunge on January 14, 2013, 1:07 GMT

    You are a legend Samit. You deserve a chance to play in the home series this year, but you won't be picked I'm afraid, this due to England brimming with talent and there are just too many names knocking at the door for every available slot.

  • on January 13, 2013, 21:41 GMT

    Born in Leicester would have done.

  • on January 13, 2013, 20:27 GMT

    Nothing like it in the world. The Indian crowd seem to go mad for a leg bye single off the thigh guard when one of their guys do it, but when a visiting player plays some beautiful shots they don't even look. I can only think of two reasons this might be. Either they are extremely jingoistic (even for sports fans...and that's saying something) or they don't really understand cricket...maybe a bit of both? It's not very pleasant either way. Emotionally immature? I think that sums it up.

  • itsthewayuplay on January 13, 2013, 20:16 GMT

    Indian cricket is at a crossroads and no clear idea of which turn to take. So Samit, I've got a feeling that you're going to be experiencing the winning feeling a few more times before the end of this series.

  • haq33 on January 13, 2013, 19:19 GMT

    Sachin Tendulkar, bowled for a golden duck by Shoaib Akhtar at Eden Gardens.....was the precise event that caused Indian fans to cease applauding good cricket. They are yet to recover. Nowadays their fans would rather applaud pies and outside edges that bring Indian victory over quality cricket that causes an Indian loss.

  • bumsonseats on January 13, 2013, 19:14 GMT

    samit dont be saying your parent birth place or you will be classed as an other overseas player england have captured from india.

  • on January 13, 2013, 19:03 GMT

    ECB's Patel Samit shots were blittzering to the penultimate bowler against the long legged hairs Ishant Sharma were a treat. Execution of the shots were absolutely mind-blowing and totally Un-planned Cricketing Shots where some times like these kinds of an innings comes from a player who is striving for a place in the international team first XI, where he did experienced the defeats to his previous tours. Samit Patel this time took advantage and he may be not the Man of the Match but has worn the Coat of the Raj, and today all the Patel's respected with his belligerence knock against the dominated Indians on home soil thus named Samit Patel as RAJKOT

  • gsingh7 on January 13, 2013, 18:41 GMT

    well played patel , this indian origin lad is their best bet in india, hope u will play for india one day. 15-1 before 1st match shows all u need to know about england prowess in odis, also 0 wc victory strengthen my claim

  • gsingh7 on January 13, 2013, 18:41 GMT

    well played patel , this indian origin lad is their best bet in india, hope u will play for india one day. 15-1 before 1st match shows all u need to know about england prowess in odis, also 0 wc victory strengthen my claim

  • on January 13, 2013, 19:03 GMT

    ECB's Patel Samit shots were blittzering to the penultimate bowler against the long legged hairs Ishant Sharma were a treat. Execution of the shots were absolutely mind-blowing and totally Un-planned Cricketing Shots where some times like these kinds of an innings comes from a player who is striving for a place in the international team first XI, where he did experienced the defeats to his previous tours. Samit Patel this time took advantage and he may be not the Man of the Match but has worn the Coat of the Raj, and today all the Patel's respected with his belligerence knock against the dominated Indians on home soil thus named Samit Patel as RAJKOT

  • bumsonseats on January 13, 2013, 19:14 GMT

    samit dont be saying your parent birth place or you will be classed as an other overseas player england have captured from india.

  • haq33 on January 13, 2013, 19:19 GMT

    Sachin Tendulkar, bowled for a golden duck by Shoaib Akhtar at Eden Gardens.....was the precise event that caused Indian fans to cease applauding good cricket. They are yet to recover. Nowadays their fans would rather applaud pies and outside edges that bring Indian victory over quality cricket that causes an Indian loss.

  • itsthewayuplay on January 13, 2013, 20:16 GMT

    Indian cricket is at a crossroads and no clear idea of which turn to take. So Samit, I've got a feeling that you're going to be experiencing the winning feeling a few more times before the end of this series.

  • on January 13, 2013, 20:27 GMT

    Nothing like it in the world. The Indian crowd seem to go mad for a leg bye single off the thigh guard when one of their guys do it, but when a visiting player plays some beautiful shots they don't even look. I can only think of two reasons this might be. Either they are extremely jingoistic (even for sports fans...and that's saying something) or they don't really understand cricket...maybe a bit of both? It's not very pleasant either way. Emotionally immature? I think that sums it up.

  • on January 13, 2013, 21:41 GMT

    Born in Leicester would have done.

  • Front-Foot-Lunge on January 14, 2013, 1:07 GMT

    You are a legend Samit. You deserve a chance to play in the home series this year, but you won't be picked I'm afraid, this due to England brimming with talent and there are just too many names knocking at the door for every available slot.

  • Albert_cambell on January 14, 2013, 3:07 GMT

    @gsingh7 . I agree with u mate. india should try to get patel playing for india. Since india dont talented cricketers in their domestic circuit. They have one true talent. Thats kohli. The rest are street level stuff. Batsmans like pujara and rahane can be found in every streets of manchester.

  • Fast_Track_Bully on January 14, 2013, 4:27 GMT

    @ Albert_cambel. Too funny. You are able to find a batsman (Dhoni) who is in top 5 ODI ranking in your street? and he is not able to make it in you playing 11???. Do not forget that the form of Yuvaraj and Gambhir let you to comment like this. How dare you to compare a 3rd class batsmen like Patel with youngsters like Rahane and a good test player like Pujara! Form is temporary, class is permanent - mind it.