India v England, 2nd ODI, Kochi

Dhoni helps India draw level with crushing win

The Report by David Hopps

January 15, 2013

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India 285 for 6 (Dhoni 72, Jadeja 61*) beat England 158 (Pietersen 42, Bhuvneshwar 3-29) by 127 runs
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MS Dhoni sends one to the stands during his knock of 72, India v England, 2nd ODI, Kochi, January 15, 2013
MS Dhoni fired India to a total that proved far too good for England © BCCI
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Kochi, in tourist terms at least, is the gateway to the backwaters but India, 1-0 down in the ODI series with four to play, were in no mood to take that journey. MS Dhoni, impassioned not just with the bat but just as strikingly in every aspect of his captaincy, made that abundantly clear with every muscle flexed and every order barked and it was England who were sunk without trace in a 127-run defeat.

England's pursuit of 286 always looked a daunting task and it became an improbable one from the moment that Bhuvneshwar Kumar removed Kevin Pietersen and Eoin Morgan in the space of three balls in an outstanding new-ball spell. There is nothing like a humid evening in Kochi to perk up a swing bowler and Bhuvneshwar, a 22-year-old from Uttar Pradesh playing in only his fifth ODI, also summoned impressive stamina as Dhoni ran his 10-over spell through without interruption and was rewarded with his best international figures of 3 for 29.

But the match had swung India's way much earlier than that - and it was Dhoni, a captain deemed to be under pressure, and Ravindra Jadeja who were at the heart of it. England had sensed they held an element of control, at the very least, for much of India's innings but 108 runs from the last 10 overs, 68 from the last five, shook that notion to the core.

As so often, Dhoni was left to plot a route to victory, wresting control from England's attack with 72 from 66 balls. He creates his own virtuous circle, creating a febrile atmosphere and then feeding off it, in turn causing a crowd of around 70,000 to roar with even greater intensity. He fell four balls from the end of the innings when he sliced Dernbach to Joe Root at deep cover - a suitable end because Dernbach's unwavering policy of bowling wide to him outside off stump had been England's most effective counter.

India approached the last 10 overs in unconvincing shape, at 177 for 5, having been confounded in the batting Powerplay by the variations of Dernbach and Steven Finn, which conceded only 21 runs in five overs and dismissed their batting mainstay, Suresh Raina, in the process.

Dhoni had failed to manage India's run chase in Rajkot, holing out at long-off against Dernbach's slower ball. He received a near-replica in the closing overs but this time his hands were fast and his brain quicksilver and he muscled it well beyond the boundary rope. It was a statement about how things would be different this time.

What Dhoni stirred, Jadeja delivered, rounding things off by taking 14 from Dernbach's last three deliveries to finish with an unbeaten 61 from 37 balls. They were impressive statistics for a batsman who had been overshadowed until the last. As for Dernbach, for all his relative success against Dhoni, he still spilled 73 from nine overs.

Smart stats

  • The margin of victory - 127 runs - is the second-highest for India in ODIs against England.
  • England's score of 158 is their third-lowest all-out total in ODIs against India.
  • India's Nos. 5, 6 and 7 all scored half-centuries, only the fifth time this has ever happened in ODIs, and the first such instance for India.
  • The 96-run stand between MS Dhoni and Ravindra Jadeja came at a run-rate of 9.60 per over, the fourth-best rate for a 50-plus stand for India against England. The top three such stands for the sixth wicket for India versus England all involve Dhoni and Jadeja.
  • Jadeja's strike rate of 164.86 (61 off 37 balls) is the fourth-highest for a 50-plus score by an Indian against England.
  • Since the 2011 World Cup, Dhoni has averaged 83.28 at a strike rate of 92.39, with 11 fifty-plus scores in 27 innings.
  • Dhoni averages 57.78 in 118 ODI innings as captain. His average is the highest among captains who've batted at least 15 innings.

For Chris Woakes, who was playing his first ODI in India after his late inclusion for the injured Tim Bresnan, it was an examination far beyond anything he had ever experienced. He thought he had Dhoni caught at the wicket when he had made 6 from nine balls but it was impossible for the umpire Vineet Kulkarni to hear a nick in such a din and normal-speed TV replays, which were all that were shown, made things no clearer.

Raina had made 55 from 78 balls before he dragged on a pull at Finn and departed bashing the peak of his helmet with his bat in frustration, just as Virat Kohil had done earlier when he flayed Woakes to the cover boundary. Raina prospered primarily against the offspin of James Tredwell, two slog sweeps for six representing the highlight of his innings, and ensured that Tredwell, who took four wickets in the opening ODI in Rajkot, did not repeat the mayhem. As for England's bonus allrounder in the opening match, Joe Root, who bowled nine overs relatively unscathed, there was no encore.

India's opening pair did not survive long, Gautam Gambhir and Ajinkya Rahane both departing by the fifth over. Finn and Dernbach, also impressive with the new ball, had clamoured for several lbw appeals before they prospered by hitting the stumps.

Dernbach's nip-backer to bowl Gambhir through the gate was a delivery made to order. There are few more productive, or less convincing, shots in ODIs than Gambhir's dab through gully for four, bat hanging away from his body and he had played it the previous ball much to the bowler's frustration. The ball that cut back was the classic retort. Finn also brought a delivery back in his next over, late inswing accounting for Rahane as he shuffled across his crease.

India's frustration grew when Yuvraj Singh fell to an erroneous lbw decision by Steve Davis, who did not see - and, like Kulkarni in the case of Dhoni, certainly could not hear in such a deafening atmosphere - a deflection off the glove as he swept at Tredwell. With no DRS in use, Yuvraj had to take his punishment, although he did not do so without a stray comment or two.

So, for that matter, did Alastair Cook in England's reply, with Bhuvneshwar fortunate to win an lbw decision with a delivery that pitched outside leg stump. Cook should have been run out on 17 when Jadeja failed to pick up cleanly at midwicket to take advantage of complete confusion between Pietersen and Cook over a leg-side single. Dhoni's annoyance was clear, but Bhuvneshwar's eighth over had an impact on the course of the match and the captain's mood.

First Pietersen (42 from 44 balls) was bowled by one that jagged back as he sought to run into the off side and two balls later Bhuvneshwar found movement away from the left-handed Morgan from a good length and Dhoni dived to claim one his finest catches against England this winter, in what has been a somewhat troubled wicketkeeping sequence.

England, four down for 74 by the 17th over, had much rebuilding to do. But the ball turned for India's spinners and it was jerry-built stuff. Craig Kieswetter and Joe Root assessed a while then both got out, Kieswetter unimpressively as he pushed a short ball from R Ashwin to midwicket, Root sliced apart by Jadeja's arm ball. Woakes' managed a second-ball duck - another Jadeja arm ball to enhance his excellent match -and England's tail quickly subsided, in no doubt about the extent of the challenge ahead.

David Hopps is the UK editor of ESPNcricinfo

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Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on (January 18, 2013, 18:37 GMT)

Hey mates Shan and Harmony, Chillax! Both of you are good enough in debates. Just chillax no?

Posted by Shan156 on (January 18, 2013, 17:23 GMT)

"Posted by Harmony111 on (January 15 2013, 21:57 PM GMT)"

Now, what was that Botham said that was offensive to Indian fans? He simply says he expects England's reign to last 5-8 years. How is that offensive to Indian fans? He was simply being positive about his team's chances in the next few years, correct?

Then, read this one

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 17 2013, 16:07 PM GMT)

Here you claim that Kohli was being positive about his team's chances. So, if Botham is positive that England will be on top for the next 5-8 years, then it is offensive. But, if Kohli says that India will beat England 4-0 at home, then it is not. They are both talking big about your team which is not such a bad thing although a little over-ambitious. Although, for the record, I think neither are offensive. You think one of them is. I leave it to others here to decide who got exposed here.

Posted by Shan156 on (January 18, 2013, 15:49 GMT)

@Harmony111, What about the first issue Mister? I have explained it before. I have no intention of explaining it again. You just want to argue for argument sake. It does not make any sense. I initially thought of having a genuine conversation but it looks like you are just an attention seeker who is interested in exposing others double standards. The fact is all you have exposed here is your childish behavior.

Just for the record, I didn't change my opinion. I never said in the first place that I considered comments from any cricketer as offensive. I don't have any need to prove anything to you or anyone. Yes, let anyone who reads these comments figure out for themselves.

I should have stuck with my original decision not to reply to you. I just wasted a lot of time here. Anyway, lesson learnt.

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 18, 2013, 14:16 GMT)

@Shan156:

Having the last word is hardly the objective here.

I don't mind ppl who change their opinions. In fact I believe we should be flexible. But changing your opinion just to suit your current argument is merely being opportunistic. If you change your opinion cos u changed in a fundamental way then its good but its not good if you jump from O1 to O2 to O8 as per the arguments of the other side.

Let's leave it to those who may read these comments to decide who was exposed and who had double standards and who made more sense.

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 18, 2013, 13:38 GMT)

@Shan156: You wanted me to show your double standards to you. I did just that @16:07 regarding your selective criticism/taking offense of typical comments of Kohli/Raina/GG while you said nothing about Hussain/Vaughan/Bresnan's comments and in fact used the former to justify/nullify the latter.

Now when I've done that you again shifted your ground and now want me to prove something else. Instead of admitting that yes you were selective you now want me to move on to the next one. What about the 1st issue Mister?

That Eng'd beaten Ind at Home was said in 2011 too after 0-5. Even here, right after the 2nd ODI, the same line was used - by others and by you too. What else can I say now...

As for the E1-E2 thing, If I talk of Cute Lab Pups then u talking about Cute Kittens would be understandable but u suddenly talking about Barbers would be weird. Are you weird? The context would be obvious - Cuteness & Offense.

Thus, u did say E2 was offensive just like E1 but then @02:33 u reverted.

Posted by ms_cricketer on (January 18, 2013, 13:29 GMT)

Oh come on, as a indian fan, I can even say that this sporadic win in a pattern of innumerable losses means nothing. From the World Cup, India have failed to raise their standards to face any tough opposition. They have crashed out of tri series, lost at home, dropped in rankings, and in form. But the new blood of kumar and ahmed at least illustrates the potential. Come on BCCI take bold steps, and bring in new players! New players are hungry for success, and will give their best to perform. Gambhir and Sharma are mere shadows of their former selves.

Posted by Shan156 on (January 18, 2013, 2:39 GMT)

"Eng defeated Ind & Kohli said So what, we will beat you at home and Ind defeat Eng and you are saying So what, we'd beaten you at home. Forward or Backward in time, both are identical & prove that u did just what u felt bad 4."

What? Ind. defeat England? I must be watching a different series altogether because I thought England defeated India both home and away. Unless, of course, you are referring to the 2nd ODI. But, Kohli's comments were that India would beat Eng 4-0 in the test series. That he will get his revenge. That, Eng. provided half-decent opposition for practice. That Eng. prepared fast tracks. Before you jump, no, I don't care about it. To me, it is not offensive but just drivel. Cricket is a sport for heaven's sake, not war. Well, to each his own.

I asked you for proof where I derided India. I didn't get any. But look, if your intention is to have the last word here, rejoice. I have said everything I needed to. You may interpret this as "running away" for all I care:-)

Posted by Shan156 on (January 18, 2013, 2:33 GMT)

@Harmony111, let me simplify things further for you - I was not offended by event E1 or E2. Both E1 and E2 are trash-talking. You got offended by E1 but when I raise questions about E2, that doesn't mean that I got offended by E2 and justifying E1 but simply saying that both events are basically players talking silly. So, if you are questioning E1 you should be questioning E2 as well. Let me make it absolutely clear - I do not care about either event. They do not affect me one bit. I don't need to raise it only because it hurts me. Now, is that clear? So, all it proves is that you assume things and just want to argue for the sake of it.

Re: consistency, I already said that I do not know what Bresnan said, nor am I interested, and if he indeed said what you claim he said, then it is wrong on Bres' part.

Posted by kristee on (January 18, 2013, 2:25 GMT)

Kohli, Yuvraj, Gambhir and Raina must have fancied it'd be the usual sight one's accustomed to, after a series in India. Experiments with the pitch proved out to be like Ashwin's with his bowling. Dhoni's sentiments about pitch and toss turned out to be comical. England were too good, simply put. They surprised everyone, period.

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 18, 2013, 0:25 GMT)

@Shan156: I've never denied there are no Ind Trolls. May be some irk you more than the others. Who knows.

Trolls are like: "SRT is a selfish player", "Eng tremble vs spin", "SA can choke even on their own saliva" and then they go off... (Ok, the last one is not trolling perhaps).

For eg, gulzee & JChandi are trolls here. Normally I'd ignore these ppl. They won't reply nor wud they get fixed.

But there is another class here. Let's call them Black Sheep (who BS all the time :-p)

These BS don't troll. They spread misinformation. They libel. They use flawed arguments to bring down the other side. And sadly, a large no of them are Eng. Well, most are SL then Eng then Aus.

BS have been here for long but became blacker after Ind's WC win & after Ind became #1 in Tests & after DRS/IPL came. Should I let them go?

I reply to them, in their own style and expose them but get accused as a Troll or as Rude.

Even if I troll it still can't be nullified by other trolls cos mine is a reaction.

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 18, 2013, 0:09 GMT)

@Shan156: Not giving credit is not the point. Dismissing the opposition is the point.

If Kohli scores a 100 and says Yep, I was in the zone and the bowling wasn't tough for me today and so I could play my shots with ease to get runs - even when he was beaten a no of times and was lucky to be there - or may be Kohli getting out for 5 and saying he played a bad shot when in fact he had been out to a jaffa - that would be akin to not giving the credit.

If Kohli scores a 100 and then says Ah it was no big deal to score runs vs this lowly team who have bowlers of KG level and my club team would beat this team - that is worse. That is called dismissing the opposition altogether.

What Bresnan had said (Ind should go home if they can't play) comes in the latter class. It is incomparable to whatever Kohli had said.

So here I've shown that I'm consistent and that you are mixing apples with samsungs. :-p

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 17, 2013, 23:54 GMT)

@reghuh: Can we turn it into a template? I guess we need a similar future growth plan for Dinda too :-p

And by the looks of it, Ashwin is on that way too.....

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 17, 2013, 23:50 GMT)

@Shan156: @19:49 you said ... "I never said that Kohli/Gambhir's comments were offensive....please point out - where did I claim that Kohli's comments were offensive?"

To prove this I guess I'd need to talk in very basic ways to explain things to you.

Look, suppose I say I get feeling F1 for Event E1 & to it you say what about E2 then it is implicit that you meant F1 for E2 just like I meant for E1. Easy till here?

Now, when I said that many Ind fans were offended by what Vaughan, Hussain & Bresnan had said you immediately @15:39 said what about Pujara, Kohli & Raina. Thus it is implicit there that you were saying that these 3 too had said offensive things for Eng.

I hope this proves what you'd challenged me to prove. Are you not satisfied with this proof?

Eng defeated Ind & Kohli said So what, we will beat you at home and Ind defeat Eng and you are saying So what, we'd beaten you at home. Forward or Backward in time, both are identical & prove that u did just what u felt bad 4.

Posted by Al_Bundy1 on (January 17, 2013, 23:04 GMT)

Agree with @reghuh - Ishant Sharma and Gambhir should not be part of Indian team. Try some youngster like Ishwar Pandey or Pankaj Singh. Shikar Dhawan is in form while Gambhir is not. Why not give Dhawan a chance in last 2 ODI??

Posted by The_bowlers_Holding on (January 17, 2013, 21:30 GMT)

reghuh on (January 17 2013, 20:50 PM GMT) I thought at the start of the 2011 test series he looked promising but he bowls too many bad balls, thinks he is quicker than he is and does not bowl to the fiel (sounds like Dernbach). When I was watching the 2nd ODI and he came on at 70 odd for 4 I was delighted, I think Kumar looked promising, but I only saw about 10 overs.

Posted by ImpartialExpert on (January 17, 2013, 20:58 GMT)

@Nampally on (January 17 2013, 16:52 PM GMT) : Finally someone who has the same thoughts as me. Pujara should bat at No. 3 and Kohli at No. 4 to sort out our problems. Rahane is the obvious choice as one of the openers for the moment. How abt trying Ashwin as his partner. He seems to be good at playing proper cricketing shots against moving balls. Irfan pathan is another to be tried in that position. I just think that given that our best batsmen at the moment are all middle order batsmen we should try one of the bowlers who can bat in the opening slot. If it does not come off Pujara is always there to steady the ship.

Posted by reghuh on (January 17, 2013, 20:50 GMT)

India should focus on atleast any one of the 5 major things if they should not falter any more in this series and in future ODI's 1) Drop Ishant Sharma OR 2) Field a team without Ishant Sharma OR 3)Make Ishant Sharma the XIIth man/drinks man OR 4) Rest Ishant Sharma OR 5) Give chance to some bowler other than Ishant Sharma

Posted by Shan156 on (January 17, 2013, 19:52 GMT)

"4. Kohli says At home we'll too beat you 4-0 and you find it offensive but then @15:35 you said Eng too had beaten Ind in Tests/ODI at home 4-0 & 3-0 "

I repeat for the umpteenth time, I don't find it offensive. It was a tall claim from Kohli. And, it didn't happen, did it? While, it is a fact that England beat India 4-0 in tests and 3-0 in ODIs. And, that wasn't me bragging about it. That was a retort to your silly comment that England are hopeless.

Just for the record, I don't find Kohli not giving enough credit to opposition offensive either. But, when an England player does that, you lambast him. Yet, when Kohli does it, you are fine with that. You have to be consistent.

Now, whose comments are severely flawed?

Posted by Shan156 on (January 17, 2013, 19:49 GMT)

@Harmony111, chuckle as much as you want. I never said that Kohli/Gambhir's comments were offensive. They were needless. You found Botham's comments offensive but Kohli's as something imbuing confidence. I was just pointing that out. Again, please point out - where did I claim that Kohli's comments were offensive?

"Kohli is not going to base his comments as per your reaction, agree? "

Of course. But, Indian fans were deriding England too. Trolls are on both sides. This is what we have been trying to say for a long time. You are the one who seems to think that they belong to England alone.

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 17, 2013, 19:06 GMT)

2/3 @Shan156:

So Kohli talking about playing Eng at home & winning is offensive but you yourself talking about Eng winning vs Ind at home is not offensive? And look, I don't find any of it offensive. Every player got the right to make a claim. But you find Kohli's claim offensive and then make that very claim yourself. I find that offensive - ridiculous rather.

5. @17:01 you said your real offense is at Kohli saying that you won at home only instead of giving credit to opposition. Ok, but when Kohli said that, all around him ppl were making fun of Ind's #1 Test rank and of Ind's WC 2011 win saying it was due to playing at home only. Alright YOU may have been appreciative but Kohli is not going to base his comments as per your reaction, agree?

6. When Eng won the 2nd T20 & the 1st ODI, it was said that this was Eng's B/C team and it was pity to see Ind losing and imagine what Jammy/Braod/Swann would have done. But only my "Eng-Bigger-Thrashing" comment is provocative?

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 17, 2013, 19:05 GMT)

1/3 @Shan156: Yaaaawwn. I am tired of reading your severely flawed comments where you keep tying yourself up in knots.

1.@15:39 you took offense to Kohli & GG saying they will spank Eng 4-0. There you did not say anything more than that. At that point, your offense was to the claim made by them and not to what and where and why that claim was made. You can't deny it. Check that comment of yours pls.

2.@16:54 you said that actually you don't care much for what an Eng/Ind player says. Compare this to #1. I chuckle here.

3. @17:01 you again changed colors and said that no no actually you don't have a problem with the 4-0 claim but then you tried to somehow find some legroom to stand by adding a few things to that point and then you said your actual offense was to this new addition. Pls compare this to #1 & #2 while I chuckle some more.

4. Kohli says At home we'll too beat you 4-0 and you find it offensive but then @15:35 you said Eng too had beaten Ind in Tests/ODI at home 4-0 & 3-0

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on (January 17, 2013, 18:57 GMT)

A_Vacant_Slip is not an English guy. His English gives it away. He is most likely a Paki just like KiwiRocker.

Posted by Shan156 on (January 17, 2013, 18:56 GMT)

@Harmony111, Again, I don't care even if Kohli or Gambhir were disrespecting the opposition or simply talking up their team's chances. They can say all they want. Same with Vaughan or Bresnan. I was merely pointing out your double standards. You are not happy when an England player talks up his team like Botham or Stewart for example but when an Indian does the same, you are fine with that. These things do not matter one bit to me. What matters is on-field performance.

Posted by Shan156 on (January 17, 2013, 17:01 GMT)

If a player says that his team will win 4-0, I have no problem with that. But, when you say, "come to our home, we will also beat you 4-0" that is another way of saying "you won because you played at home, otherwise you are not good" instead of giving due credit to the opposition.

Also, no one cares about your "India thrashed England" comment. JG would be the first to admit that it was a thrashing. The problem is when you come up with silly comments like "Eng. should be ashamed of this loss" and "England would have got a even bigger thrashing had more Indian players been in form". That is silly and provocative.

@IndiaNumeroUno, so you figured it out, huh? That I am a Pak. fan. Bravo. You must be super intelligent. Way to go.

Posted by Shan156 on (January 17, 2013, 16:54 GMT)

Also, honestly, I don't care about what any Eng. or Ind. players said. They mean little to me. I was merely pointing out your double stds where you blast Eng. players but you are fine with Ind. players doing the same. Before you raise the question if those two are the same - I don't know what Bresnan said, if he said that India should go home, that was a rather silly and needless comment. Vaughan's was again a provocative and needless comment. He said that it was meant as humor but he should have realized that it wouldn't come out well. And, for the umpteenth time, Hussain didn't refer to Indian fielders as donkeys literally. He meant to say that some of the Indian fielders were lazy. When you see guys like Zak and Ishant fielding, one would have to agree with him. Again, if someone fielded like that in the Eng. team, then it would apply to him as well.

Posted by Nampally on (January 17, 2013, 16:52 GMT)

@bijuphilip: A good thought but not practical.Yuvraj is weak against moving & seaming ball present during the first 10 overs - with a New ball at each end. Even #4 positiion is too early for Yuvraj if the openers do not hold the fort. This is what happened against Junaid Khan of Pakistan. India were 29 for 5 in no time. India's real issue is consistent openers. Gambhir & Sehwag were so dominant for so long that it was taken for granted that India will get an opening stand of 50 runs- minimum. There are at least 5 openers in waiting - Dhawan, Mukund, A.Singh, U.Chand & Vijay, besides Gambhir, Rahane & Sehwag. Why risk Pujara as opener? Pujara & Kohli are best #3 & #4. Yuvraj, Dhoni & Raina should follow them. If India has good consistent openers, it will be fanatastic ODI batting line up. Jadeja, Ashwin, B.Kumar & Shami will be 4 bowlers from the current squad. Dhoni should field this line up in ODI #3. Agarkar, Sreesanth & Nadeem should come in as bowlers for last 2 ODI + New openers.

Posted by Shan156 on (January 17, 2013, 16:48 GMT)

@Harmony111, what double standards? Had I defended Eng. players comments, and said that what Indian players said was wrong, that would be double standards. You are the one who is shamelessly defending your players and yet calling me as adopting double standards. Just so you know, Pujara said England's batting looks fragile. He didn't specifically point to Compton or Root. England's batsmen included Cook, Trott, KP, and Bell who are quite experienced. And, about Kohli and Raina, they simply didn't say that we are confident that we can beat England, they said this is a revenge series and we will pay back England with a 4-0 defeat. Shame it didn't turn out exactly like that. The shameless guy that you are, you are ok with this comment. Yet when Botham says that he thinks England's reign as the top team will continue for long (shame that didn't turn out well either), you take umbrage and bash him.

Posted by RandyOZ on (January 17, 2013, 16:29 GMT)

England really are terrible at ODI cricket aren't they? The inevitable slide continues.

Posted by kristee on (January 17, 2013, 16:18 GMT)

Well, while the test series was keenly contested by both teams and Eng won, the ODI series is experimented by only one team; the other team looks like experimenting, thanks to selectors' follies rather than experiments as such. So the difference, if any, has to be treated accordingly. India would have struggled even in the second match if DRS was in place, I thought.

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 17, 2013, 16:07 GMT)

@Shan156: Right there your double standards got exposed. If Kohli or GG say they will beat Eng 2-0 or 3-0 or 4-0 is that talking negatively about Eng or is it taiking positively about your own team's chances in the series?

If KP or Cook or Bresnan say that they think Eng are far stronger than Ind and will beat Ind 2-0 or 3-0 or 4-0 that would be ok. I have no issues with it.

Your double standard is pin pointed here when you say nothing about Vaughan's Vaseline comment, about Hussain's Donkey comment and about Bresnan's Go Home comment and then shamelessly try to justify them by picking comments of Ind players where they were talking about their team's chances or about the other team's weaknesses?

As for the Fragile comment, that is used commonly for teams that have young and inexp batsmen or rookie bowlers. India's batting too looked fragile vs Pak.

Will you say that Go Home, Donkey & Vaseline are common terms or OK terms or comparable to Fragile?

Posted by Shan156 on (January 17, 2013, 15:39 GMT)

@Harmony111, who needs your mercy or magnanimity? You keep posting the same thing again and again but we are tired of replying the same again and again (probably, why JG posted the same message multiple times) and then accuse us of being senseless. Many of us - JG, jmcilllhinney, etc. - have posted several messages that India are too strong in these conditions and the best England can hope for is a close series. In fact, after our test series win, many non-Indian, non-England fans said India are a poor side. But, even then, a lot of us Eng. fans posted that India are a good side and it was a great achievement by our lads to win the test series as the Aussies will soon find out. That is not bragging but giving credit to India. You won't see us talking about a win in NZ as a great achievement. You talk about former Eng. players saying negative things about India. What about Pujara who said England batsmen are fragile? What about Gambhir, Kohli, and Raina who said they will spank Eng. 4-0

Posted by Shan156 on (January 17, 2013, 15:31 GMT)

@Harmony111, seems like you have earned yourself a 'fan' here. Well done. "fighter", lol. If posting inflammatory messages in a forum is considered bravado, you only have to pity the person who gave you that title.

Tell me, what double standards did you see in my post? I dare you to point one comment of mine where I said India did not deserve their #1 test ranking or only manage to win at home or anything like that. I am sure you will not reply to this because you will not find any. You chided us with comments like Eng. have never won the ODI WC. That is a fact and while India have won it twice, they have not achieved everything in world cricket like you seem to believe.

If England are 'hopeless', then what does that make of India who were soundly beaten in the test series both home and away?

Posted by bijuphilip on (January 17, 2013, 14:39 GMT)

no one say any comment about yuvi open the innings with pujara/rahane/gambir. those three can play slow and big innings,yuvi can accelarate the runrate in the begning. thoughts are welcome,this is the time to think outside the box. think about the time jayasuria or sachin or even afridi came there to open the innings. please comment wheatheer this is a crazy idea?

Posted by maddy20 on (January 17, 2013, 14:16 GMT)

@Shan156 WHy the namecalling? Regardless of whether you call me a wimp or whatever, England team cannot win a single game without their South Africa U-19 imports, let alone winning in every country. India has won 2 Worldcups in the last 5 years and held the number 1 ranking for over 2 and half years with 11 100% Indian players. England with all their imports cannot dream of doing such a thing! @LMAOTSEUNG I was constantly on these boards, which you probably failed to notice , which I do not blame. Beating India in India is an overwhelming feeling.

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 17, 2013, 14:13 GMT)

@The_bowlers_Holding: Or in other words you hate playing India cos you folks are unable to find replies to the replies that Ind fans give to you to your jibes and mocking comments that trigger the whole damn fire. Nice way there dude.

Some of your brethren will come here, say disparaging things for Ind/BCCI/IPL/SRT/Dhoni etc and when Ind fans take up those comments and nullify each one of those then the rest of the fans will start crying that "Hey Ind fans, why are you so tough and good at exposing the rest of us, pls be less vocal and pls show some mercy and magnanimity to us."

And here, it seems you ppl are now trying to label Ind fans as TROLLS or TRASHY or RUDE instead of simply ack that the Eng fans have no replies to the way Ind fans exposed them and are keen to go home to feel better.

I'd call it Touchy Arrogance.

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 17, 2013, 13:59 GMT)

@JG2704: I'd have said you are perhaps 1 of the very few Eng fans who keeps to facts and makes more sense than the majority here who are senseless but when I see that you post the SAME COMMENT THRICE just trying to assert and re-assert your objection to that post of mine which by the way is completely factual and would be the way a 3rd person might have described this 2nd ODI, then I got to reconsider what I think about you too.

So far, your brothers have made one after another factually inaccurate comments against me and maddy. You might have seen those inaccurate comments and how they never came back after I gave them solid proof of being otherwise. Are you too inclined to go that way?

Humiliation, Thrashing are words often used in official reports too. You may have noticed how GG's knock in 1st ODI was called shameless. And then, when I use standard terms, I gloat?

Iif a 9 run win is called thrashing by some Eng fans then what should I call a 127 run win? Close Shave?

Posted by JG2704 on (January 17, 2013, 13:22 GMT)

@maddy20 on (January 16 2013, 10:35 AM GMT) Why are you bringing up the umpiring decs to me? I've not moaned about it once? In fact on one of these posts and throughout the test series I specifically said that these things tend to even themselves out. This is exactly what I mean. If some of our fans write one yed nonsense respond to them.

Posted by JG2704 on (January 17, 2013, 13:21 GMT)

@Harmony111 on (January 15 2013, 15:15 PM GMT) Rubbish. You are doing exactly the thing you always proclaim to be innocent of. Gloating. Yes they are facts but one can still gloat about something factual. And yes it is gloating. Your whole post reeks more of England losing above praising your own side's efforts IE "Eng must be ashamed of today's loss. It is every bit as humiliating as it can get - quite close to their 80 a.o. in WT20 vs Ind." Pretty vulgar comms. BTW Hash_Tag's home truths have really got to you haven't they?BTW comms by Indian_Cricket_Fanatic on (January 15 2013, 16:49 PM GMT) is an example of celebrating a win in the right way. A huge difference between his and your posts. Please publish this time as there is nothing untrue

Posted by JG2704 on (January 17, 2013, 13:21 GMT)

@CandidIndian on (January 16 2013, 13:32 PM GMT) Mate , I was jesting with you. There are 2 ways of looking at it (the balance of the series). One of your posters went to great lengths to say how much of a massacre it would have been had all India's batsmen fired (saying it was just a 2 man show) which was true but at the same time it could work the other way and what happens if Dhoni fails after the other batsmen? Personally I think it's more likely that guys like Kohli will find their form and still see a 4-1 win to your guys

@IndiaNumeroUno on (January 17 2013, 08:12 AM GMT) Predictable to see you back in symmetry to your team getting back to winning ways. Well done

Posted by   on (January 17, 2013, 12:47 GMT)

India really played very well their bowlers especially b.kumar and r. jadeja bowled pretty well but also India was lucky when dhoni nick one to kieswetter and yuvraj also but again our top order failed again we were 119 for 4 then dhoni came in but how many times dhoni will do it for india yuvraj and kohli should have played patiently in this track thanks to jadeja and dhoni india scores heavily in the final over because of them they got india upfront in this match and our bowlers got the confidence but the series is wide open as we if we provide flat tracks to them they will score heavily this track was the perfect track for them to keep pressurize to them best of luck for ranchi

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 17, 2013, 12:34 GMT)

@jmcilhinney: I am no expert on MCC but can u show me the rule that says that a team has the right to appeal to the other team's captain to withdraw an appeal, that too not on ground when it is in play but in the dressing room?

And suppose there is such a rule. What then? Are you not now trying to take refuge in rules to say the Eng team did no wrong in asking for withdrawal of the run out appeal? Alright, now as per those same rules batsmen can't take a run off a dead ball yet Eng batsmen did that even though they knew it was a dead ball (as non striker could clearly see it was a dead ball already).

Breaking a rule is breaking a rule. If done by mistake then it is fine for eg a bowler bowling a no ball or a beamer. But when you deliberately break a law it is called cheating, isn't it?

Ofc I am trying to make too much of a trivial issue here. But then why should I forget what Michael Vaughan had said for Laxman when he was given not out off a DRS appeal in 2011?

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 17, 2013, 11:55 GMT)

@binu.emiliya: Thanks man, what these Eng fans say to me doesn't matter but what some Ind fans say to me rankles me a lot. I don't know why some over-virtuous Ind fans ask me not to do like this. They are sad to see many non Ind-fans getting upset at my comments. I don't know why some Ind fans think more about other fans than of their own. In such situations comments like yours are most welcome. Thanks a lot.

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 17, 2013, 11:50 GMT)

@jmcilhinney: Ref: ... "what do you think that the England batsman was trying to achieve if you think that he knowingly tried to run on a dead ball?"...

You don't know what he was trying to do there? He was trying to take a run. And If I go even deeper he was trying to fool the umpire hoping the umpire would get distracted or forget or not notice. And let me now assert that the Eng batsmen did not do it unknowingly. The non striker could see it clearly that Dhoni had lobbed the ball to the bowler YET he ran. Thus, either their intentions were to cheat or to fool the umpire or they were fools themselves to do something like this so blatantly.

As for the analogy, it linked to your"No batsman will be stupid enough" point. No man will be stupid enough to drive to his death YET so many drive w/o seat-belts or DUI and similarly No batsman will be stupid enough to take a run of a dead ball YET the Eng batsmen did just that.

I' m sure ur verbal abuses aren't far now before you too run away

Posted by jmcilhinney on (January 17, 2013, 11:37 GMT)

@Harmony111 on (January 17 2013, 11:16 AM GMT), England fans need no reminding of that incident but noone brings it up to talk about India's benevolence. They all bring it up to whine about Flower. Noone in the England team did anything against the rules. They made a request and it was granted. It is within the rules that the fielding team can withdraw their appeal and they did. I agree that it was a fine act of sportsmanship but there's no need to milk it. As for your analogy, it's completely ridiculous and rather pathetic. what do you think that the England batsman was trying to achieve if you think that he knowingly tried to run on a dead ball? Finally, I have no issue with any batsman standing his ground if the umpire doesn't give him out. He has to go if he's given out when he shouldn't be so why shouldn't he stay if he's not given out when he should be.

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 17, 2013, 11:33 GMT)

@bhrangi: Rest assured bro I know who is who. In fact I've never even said anything like ALL ENG FANS ARE LIKE THIS. I've always said Most or Some or Few. I've handled each fan on his own. Just check this forum and the 1st ODIs forum to see how much 1-1 talks I'v done. And I don't even think too much of the real trolls among these. I know they will never get fixed nor will they read. I'd taken up those Eng/SL/Aus fans who seem to be better at typing but it is becoming increasingly clear that these ppl to are good only at typing. They can't debate much. At most 1-2 replies and then they find their brain bereft of any coherent argument.

I've given special time to Eng cos not only have their fans (some) been full of extreme derision for Ind but their ex-players as well as their coach and players been like that. The amount of misinformation they spread is immense and I am merely taking this up to them - they don't want to be seen as exposed and so cry so much now.

Posted by binu.emiliya on (January 17, 2013, 11:31 GMT)

@ Harmony111 ,what ever they call never mind,from your post i know one thing You are a real fighter..!

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 17, 2013, 11:30 GMT)

@Shan156: Yet again you show your double standards here. I'll use your own style to say that when Ind are #1 in Tests it is a trick and the system must be flawed yet when Eng are #1 in Tests it becomes a thing of extreme pride for Eng?

We've WC wins in Eng/SA & WS win in Aus & CT win in SL.We've won the WC at home too. Before you say AT HOME just tell me how many times have Eng won the WC AT HOME even after 4 tries?

And suppose Eng have won a few things (own/imported or sheer potluck) does it mean you can go around and sneer at other teams?

If you chose to sneer even then be consistent. Why not sneer at your own team for the very reason you sneer at the other team? Why brag about Eng's erstwhile #1 ODI rank when you yourself made light of Ind's #1 test rank or Ind WC win? Why don't u say Eng's #1 rank was due to systemic flaws or due to HOME WINS mostly?

And then when your double standards are shown to all here you accuse the other person of being a troll and then u run away - LOL

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 17, 2013, 11:16 GMT)

@jmcilhinney: That run off the dead ball attempt took place in the 16th over. Whether the Eng batsmen did that deliberately or in an absent-minded manner we'll never know. What is a fact is that they did try to do that. They tried to do something that is clearly written as NO in the laws. No person is stupid enough to drive to his death yet so many ppl drive without seat belts or DUI. Some ppl here call Dhoni as unsporting for not walking even when there's no evidence he had nicked the ball (and even when ppl like Ponting/Clarke don't walk for HUGE nicks) and you are trying to make Morgan & Root look innocents here? At least the Non striker knew it well that Dhoni had thrown the ball and so it was dead yet he ran ....

As for Bell's incident, unusual circumstances or not, he was out as per the rules. Either you play by rules strictly or you say that we will play by the rules as per our convenience. If we talk of it it is not whining but more like a reminder of a benevolent act.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (January 17, 2013, 10:01 GMT)

In the T20 series, India won one game easily and England narrowly won the other. In this ODI series so far, England narrowly won one game and India won one game easily. This indicates that what I and many other sensible England fans thought to begin with, i.e. in these conditions at least, India is a better limited-overs team but England can be competitive. I'll be satisfied with 1-4 as long as England don't capitulate in the last 3 games the way they did in game 2. I'll be happy with 2-3 and ecstatic with 3-2 or better. The bowling will have to improve though, both in line and length, and I think England has a far better chance of winning batting first.

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 17, 2013, 9:58 GMT)

I'd understand if some Eng fan calls me aggressive. I'd understand if some Eng fan calls me rude even. I'd understand if some Eng fan calls me disproportionately aggressive and rude.

But when an Eng fan calls me a TROLL then it is clear he is completely overcome with confusion and brain-freeze and has absolutely no answers to me.

One Eng fan accused me of never being here when Ind lose i.e a fair-weather fan. I immediately referred him to the 1st ODI that Ind had lost where I was active. He never replied back.

Another Eng fan said I did not appreciate other players and was very biased and unsporting. I gave him some links to show my appreciating comments for Ponting, Amla, Warner etc. He too did not come back.

Another one based his comment on something I'd never said - I told him this and then he went sobbing to his fellow countryman for comfort cos he had no replies to me.

These cribbing Eng fans don't even know what a TROLL is and use it just to feel better in their heart.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (January 17, 2013, 9:20 GMT)

@IndiaNumeroUno on (January 17 2013, 08:17 AM GMT), yes it is an irrelevant question. No batsman is going to try to make a run if he knows the ball is dead because he knows he will be sent back. No international batsman is stupid enough to think that they can trick an umpire into allowing them a run when they have already called it dead. Maybe certain fans are but that's a different matter. I don't know exactly what incident you're talking about but if some England player ran when the ball was dead it was because he didn't know it was dead. As for bowling wide, every team does it so that has nothing specific to do with England, as for that tired accusation about "running to the opposition dressing room", if that's all you've got then you're just whining. That was one incident under very unusual circumstances and, while Fletcher may not have done what Flower did if roles were reversed, you can bet that we'd have never heard the end of it if it was an India player run out that way.

Posted by IndiaNumeroUno on (January 17, 2013, 8:17 GMT)

@jmcilhinney : No these are not irrelevant questions. There are many things the umpire will simply disallow if they are not right.. but it doesn't mean that they are within the spirit of the game.England always talk about "spirit of the game" but are the worst at actually displaying the same on the field. Your coach is the first to run into the opposition dressing room during intervals asking for a reprieve! Henceforth would like to see some spirit displayed by England cricketers on the field - or stop talking about it.

Posted by IndiaNumeroUno on (January 17, 2013, 8:12 GMT)

@Shan156 - shouldn't you be really supporting Pakistan? LOL!

Posted by A_Vacant_Slip on (January 17, 2013, 7:07 GMT)

@Shan156 on (January 17 2013, 06:03 AM GMT) - man I am with you. Cricinfo have not published my comment either. This particular poster that you refer to went out of his way to come to Pakistan V England test forum in order to bash England when they lost. He hide behind fine Pakistan performance. Then when South Africa beat England in test last year he come again to bash England and hide behind fine South Africa performance. The he claim India is huge victim. How? How when these game have nothing to do with India can India be victim? Then incredibly he claim he is going to send home England fan packing because he has "won" the argument. What argument? The one he provoked that no-one will dignify by responding to. Incredible. Name calling and gloating is not "winning an argument". He even poke reasonable India fan like @Nampally with personal attack on his liver! He is unrestrained and cricinfo publish him but do not publish us. I doubt this polite reply to you will be published.

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on (January 17, 2013, 6:56 GMT)

@Harmony111, you need to get a breather mate. There are lots and lots of proxies on here trying to pit fans of one country against another by using misleading monikers. Kiwirocker is one Paki because of whom I once started bashing New Zealand. But soon he gave enough clues to conclude that he is a Paki. Likewise, we don't know which poster belongs to which country especially when their posts are deriding. Address posts based on issues. That way you won't hold grudges against any countrymen or teams. Simple!

Posted by bhrangi on (January 17, 2013, 6:37 GMT)

@Harmony111 : Dude it was not ENG fans .may be some ENG fans, but mostly they were SL fans ). Poor guys they wont reveal their nation since they will know what happen then.If they reveal theirs ., they will know that Ind vs SL topic will come up and they have to surrender. So chillax mate. It was like they will scold Ind., they expect us to scold Eng and that didn't affect them. I wonder where is @BDforever, as he will be always there to thrash India. @ Ind fans : Please don't forget that we lost test and ODI series recently, so better to be calm until we get a series

Posted by Shan156 on (January 17, 2013, 6:07 GMT)

England have not won anything of note? So, if we win the T20 world cup, it is nothing of note but when India wins it it is a great achievement? We have a test series win in every country since 2000. How many test series have India won in Aus. and SA? None. Zero. Zilch. Nada.

Some Indian fans are wimps like @maddy20 who does not have the guts to admit defeat in the test series. Yet, it is only Eng. fans who are called wussy.

cricinfo, please publish.

Posted by kristee on (January 17, 2013, 3:33 GMT)

If DRS is needed anywhere in the world, it's in India. Ironically, it's welcomed everywhere else. BCCI is very clever at least in this aspect. I thought Cook& co were hard done in this match. That said, Eng's ability for chasing down good totals stood exposed for one more time.

Posted by nyc_missile on (January 17, 2013, 2:19 GMT)

Report in a reputed paper in Ind quotes his mentor saying 'MSD will decide which format and when to give up' ..he speculated that MSD might give up tests & T20s but stay in ODIs to retain WC in 2015.Great! at least he is planning to act before the selectors do,if that.But why not declare it openly and allay fears of so many fans and well-wishers like me :)

By holding his road-map back,he is only inviting more wrath and criticism because obviously the results are so dismal.If he were to announce a transition plan or a leadership succession plan in advance we will know what to/what not to expect from him as a captain/player.And if the report is true,his decision would be the most perfect one indeed.Giving up tests and T20s is most appropriate and proportionate to the team results as well.If he has the confidence & drive,he is entitled to stay ODI captain to retain WC title.No issues with that..

Posted by   on (January 17, 2013, 2:18 GMT)

Some extremely poor captaincy/management decisions by Cook & Giles in this match. The first - & most glaring - was the retention of Dernbach, despite overwhelming evidence accepted by everyone bar what passes for England's think-tank that he's not even close to being an international-class seamer. The carnage that followed was entirely predictable.

The second was Cook's captaincy-by-numbers decision to persist with the seamers towards the end of India's innings despite the fact that England's spinners had conceded just over four an over while our seamers were regularly being despatched for over ten RPO. Root was allowed to bowl just two overs, during which he went for five runs. Wasn't Cook counting?

The third was the decision to send in Root at #4, a position rightfully assigned to players with proven experience & condition-specific expertise, i.e. such as that displayed by Samit Patel. Result: Root & K'Wetter became hopelessly bogged down &, in effect, surrendered the match.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (January 17, 2013, 0:32 GMT)

@ IndiaNumeroUno on (January 16 2013, 20:34 PM GMT), 1. Given how much of the limited-overs game is in the batsman's favour, I can't hold it against bowlers for doing whatever they can to stop the batsman scoring. That includes bowling as wide as possible. The wide rule is already more severe in limited-overs cricket to prevent negative bowling so any ball that is genuinely out of the batsman's reach will be called wide anyway. 2. That's a rather irrelevant question because a run cannot be scored once the ball is dead so, even if the batsmen try to take a run, the umpire will just send them back.

Posted by Chris_P on (January 16, 2013, 23:54 GMT)

@The_bowlers_Holding Amen to your last post. Light hearted jabs are one thing, but some of the tripe I have read (eg AMAZINGFAN "England fluked their 4-0 win over England) just left me stunned. I am still wondering how he perceived India's efforts down here last season then?

Posted by Al_Bundy1 on (January 16, 2013, 22:55 GMT)

ISHANT SHARMA and GAMBHIR should be replaced with Dhawan and Ishwar Pandey/Pankaj Singh. Those 2 are dragging team India down. It's also time to test bench strength in spin bowling and trying youngsters like Shabazz Nadeem/Parvez Rassol.

Posted by Lmaotsetung on (January 16, 2013, 21:59 GMT)

I see maddy20 finally showed up after being missing in action since the Mumbai test...lmao!!!! If only I still had all those comments that I copied and pasted from him during the test series on my computer...One Indian win and the usual suspects are out in full force. When England wins, its fans dissect the match and analyze English player's performance. When India win, its fans would taunt their opponents and proclaim how great Indian cricket is...carry on people!!!

Posted by   on (January 16, 2013, 21:44 GMT)

I will never understand fascination of some fans and selectors with Rohit Sharma who is aptly dubbed as NOHIT Sharma. This guy got 86 chances and still could not cement his place. As Gambhir said Nohit is best in the nets, I think selectors should keep him in the nets only. He must not be brought in in the playing eleven. Dhawan, Unukt Chand and Pujara should be blooded in as soon as possible.

Posted by IndiaNumeroUno on (January 16, 2013, 20:34 GMT)

1. Is bowling on the tramlines within the spirit of the game? 2. Is taking a run after the ball is dead within the spirit of the game?

Posted by   on (January 16, 2013, 20:12 GMT)

Ishant Sharma MUST be DROPPED!! He has been given FAR too MANY chances and has proved to be inconsistent and ineffective. Young Shami and B. Kumar are certainly promising. Only time will tell in the next few games, but OUT with Ishant who leaks too many runs.

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 16, 2013, 19:59 GMT)

@brusselslion: It would seem that Eng fans will go back with their tails firmly tucked in between their behinds. Whether Ind win or lose this series, one thing is for sure. Some of these Eng fans will not mend their ways but will make a lot of hullabaloo when someone else deals with them in their own style. Worse, these very Eng fans won't even be able to handle the fireballs thrown at them. They think they can say whatever they want, they think they can behave in as contemptuous manner as they feel like with others but they want to be treated with dignity and shown grace and want the other side to be magnanimous. This when Eng haven't even done anything of note in Cricket and have been a hopeless abysmal team for eons.

Ind fans would be relieved too to see the backs and behinds of such wussy weepy Eng fans. I am sure some crows are waiting for you back in Eng. Enjoy them.

@Nampally: Like CricketTsunami said, we don't need a new Gandhi. Why u want to be so soft? Pls use ur liver.

Posted by The_bowlers_Holding on (January 16, 2013, 19:56 GMT)

brusselslion on (January 16 2013, 13:30 PM GMT) Absolutely spot on, I hate playing India for the sheer volume of tripe that is attached to every link. Every country has them but the number of self righteous stats gurus from India seems to trump all the rest put together, it is more akin to a football page with pre-pubescent Man Utd and Liverpool fans arguing about who is the best and justifying that only the brief period/format they were prominent in counts yaaawn! Roll on a bit of friendly banter with our antipodean friends, (I suppose this won't get posted whereas some are with swearing and personal attaks by faceless heroes)

Posted by Shan156 on (January 16, 2013, 19:50 GMT)

@spiritwithin, of course, since you have already made up your mind that all England fans are arrogant, it may be hard for you to realize that not all England fans are arrogant and not all Indian fans are humble. But, please do try.

Posted by Shan156 on (January 16, 2013, 19:50 GMT)

@spiritwithin, so you are very sure that Aussies would win, huh? I am sure you must have predicted that India would win 4-0 against England both in England and India. While you are at it, could you please also let me know the winning lottery numbers?

So, according to you, *all* England fans are arrogant. You read one comment against India and you assume that it is from an Englishman and, worse, you assume all English fans are arrogant. Take some time and read as many messages as you could in this very article and you will find plenty of comments from England fans that praise India for their well deserved victory. Arrogant fans are on every side. Just like sensible fans. Most of England's sensible fans dont claim that we are great. Just like there are some Indian fans, like @maddy20, who simply cannot accept defeat, and still think Indian team is the best, there are some England fans who think their team is the best. Contd...

Posted by maddy20 on (January 16, 2013, 19:38 GMT)

@ KiwiRocker Don't forget the number of times we thumped Pak repeatedly in Worldcups(be it T-20. Pakistan can't even dream of beating us in it.), Asia cup etc., A series win by 1 match margin and you Pakistani fans can't get a grip on yourselves. Real funny!

Posted by nyc_missile on (January 16, 2013, 19:36 GMT)

Whoever-saying Kohli needs a break got to get heads checked ASAP.The guy has had a Bradman-esque year leading up to late last year.He failed in Eng series but came back to score a 100,so that makes it half a failure.In ODIs he's only failed the Pak series and 1st match in Eng series.Yesterday you could say he gave it away needlessly but surely he looked in good touch.

If anyone is in real trouble its Gambhir& Yuvraj to an extent esp Gambhir has been out of form,confidence for over 2 years just in ODIs.He's been awful in tests for almost 3 years now.Rohit had batted at 7 in whatever chances he got.I know he must have shown more focus but he just didn't have enough overs to play with.So would still go with Rohit & Pujara for Gambhir & Yuvraj.I'd drop Ishant right away for another batsman since Jadeja fills in purely as a bowler esp in sub-continent.DROP Gambhir, Yuvraj & Ishant.Play Rohit,Pujara..this team looks solid on flat tracks at least.

Posted by Temuzin on (January 16, 2013, 18:34 GMT)

Well Harmony is only trying to show fans their own mirror. If that is getting on the nerve then so be it. Non-indian and Indian fans some time forget what they are dishing out to others when team is defeated. Paying back in same coin is justified. If they want respect they should show respect too. And Nampally, we dont want another pseudo Gandhi.

Posted by notime on (January 16, 2013, 18:23 GMT)

I am a staunch Mumbai fan, and expect certain ethics of batting from Mumbai players. I had high hopes of Rahane when I saw him play the ODI in England. However, the 3 shots Rahane played today (1 probably dropped off a wide ball) greatly dissapointed me. I am deeply disheartened when I saw this from a Mumbai bat. Terrible, terrible slashes to wide balls, then 2 feet between bat and pad to get bowled. I also saw a few overs of the Mumbai quarterfinal earlier. Nayar may have a lot of scores but his crounching stance outside leg, and walking across while the bowler is coming in to bowl, leaves a bad taste while watching. Not true Mumbai straight drive and in the V style.very sad..:( Cannot explain it. Maybe kids in Mumbai dont play on the streets anymore (or building compounds) ?

Posted by SevereCritic on (January 16, 2013, 17:29 GMT)

Kinda funny watching Indian fans asking for Kohli's head months after declaring him as the next best thing in Indian cricket after SRT.

Posted by Full-Blooded-Wallop on (January 16, 2013, 17:19 GMT)

Dear Indian and English fans for once lets stop the fight and enjoy this beautiful game of cricket. We all are passionate for our teams but excuses,blame-games and acerbic comments just ruins the game. Hoping for less harshness in next few games. :)

Posted by ADARSH100 on (January 16, 2013, 17:08 GMT)

Now most of them are praising MS Dhoni.. If we jst see the reviews abt Dhoni during the last test series.. v cn undrstand that most of thm under estimated Dhoni.. Its really a bad and worst habit of rebuking a player if he went out of form for few matches. Dhoni got a lot of praises in World Cup, but wen went for CB series and test series he got humiliation sayng he is not a perfect captain.. Bt Dhoni is the best Captain India everhad.. Better than Kapil Dev and Ganguly! He took India to top of the table in tests,ODI's and t20.. won t20 world Cup and 2011 world CUp.. His team CSK in IPL won twice in IPL and once in CHampion's trophy under his captaincy.. HE is THE BEST CAPTAIN IN THE WORLD RIGHT NOW.. HAts offf DHONI..

Posted by Nampally on (January 16, 2013, 16:50 GMT)

Harmony 111: I am sad to see you getting on the nerves of so many of the Fans on this forum- mostly Non-Indian fans. I am a strong Indian Team fan but know that a victory can also be cancelled with a defeat. You can let the numbers speak for themselves rather than reminding the English fans that they have lost badly. It is like rubbing salt into wound!.The heading of this article says how convincing the Win was. Captain Cook was gracious enough to admit how England team was out played in all departments.It is a game of Cricket. You do not always Win Or always Lose. So it better to be humble in victory & gracious in defeat. We are all cricket Fans brought together with love for the game.For example, an English fan who challenged me when I commented that English batting is weaker against left arm spinners. I gave Ojha's example of taking 21 Wkts in 4 Tests. He was not convinced.Yesterday Jadeja got 2 for 12 in 7 overs! So the stats. talk louder than words. I rest my case!

Posted by JustIPL on (January 16, 2013, 16:12 GMT)

Wonderful performance by Dhoni eleven but it is also a fact that england are not playing fourof the main players in trott, swann, anderson and broad. apart from broad three have some current form for sure. If team india has to keep up the good work they have to realize that with full strength english team there will be different challenges. Therefore, accepting that england has fieleded a second string eleven will not be a bad idea to brace for stronger oppositions.

Posted by Dandy_s on (January 16, 2013, 15:59 GMT)

Finally a good win for india ....Although i am still very confused with the selection of playin 11 why was Dinda dropped and not Ishant, Why is Ashwin in the playing 11 he got 3 wickets but 2 of them were wrong decisions on pitches where jadeja is almost unplayable Ashwin is leaking runs and is very ineffective Mishra deserves a chance, and Gambhir also needs some shaking up pujara shld open in next game.....Dhoni and Fletcher need to select beeter playing 11...Fletcher surely deserves to be gone soon

Posted by S27M on (January 16, 2013, 14:57 GMT)

Bring Sehwag back and take Gambhir out.

He is the better opener and makes bowler uneasy because he is feared.

Just cause him Dhoni have a little bit of dislike for eachother doesnt mean you take out the worlds deadliest batsman.

Posted by Porky_PigTheToon on (January 16, 2013, 14:46 GMT)

@ Solid_Snake - agreed about 'amazing fans' here in sub-continent !

Posted by SkylaDark on (January 16, 2013, 14:16 GMT)

Disappointed by England's batting performance. Wickets fell too early, and makes you wonder, was the pressure of it all too high for a team like England. Let's see what the next match shows.

Posted by CandidIndian on (January 16, 2013, 13:32 GMT)

JG2704-For that i apologize,was not trying to be sarcastic at all and yes it was completely unintentional.I still think Eng have an edge as India is too dependent on Dhoni,he used to get very good support from Virat but unfortunately he has been out of form from 2-3 months now. Shan156-I believe Eng are ahead because in ODIs runs from top order are crucial.Cook,Bell and Pieterson for Eng are in good from, while for India Gambhir has been poor on any pith with something in it for bowlers, Rahane is new and Virat is out of form.Also Eng have won series against Pakistan and Aus recently while Indian team is in bad phase. Dhoni alone is carrying all the baggage,he needs support if India has to do consistently well

Posted by brusselslion on (January 16, 2013, 13:30 GMT)

Three more games and we'll (English posters) be rid of this nonsense. Ahh ... you can almost see and smell the beauty of a NZ - England thread. I'm almost feeling sorry for RandyOz and Jonesy2 who have two months or so of @harmony111, gsingh7 and friends to look forward to.

Posted by MyFantasyXI on (January 16, 2013, 13:18 GMT)

My pick for next odis will be 1.Pujara 2.Rahane 3.Kholi 4.Yuvi 5.Raina 6.Dhoni 7.Jadeja 8.Ashwin 9.B.Kumar 10.Shami ahmed 11.Dinda. This team will win u rest of the matches against england.

Posted by Solid_Snake on (January 16, 2013, 13:09 GMT)

@counterstrike1.6->Winning by 10 runs isnt thrashing.. & i cannot believe that fans cheered up again after a single win Hahaha..After losing the series from Pakistan & on the verge of white wash,fans were asking Dhoni to step down.Just after a single win All changed suddenly..Amazing Fans we got here in Subcontinent :)

Posted by vrn59 on (January 16, 2013, 13:06 GMT)

My ideal India Test XI: Ajinkya Rahane, Virender Sehwag, Cheteshwar Pujara, Sachin Tendulkar, Virat Kohli, Rohit Sharma, MS Dhoni (C&wk), Harbhajan Singh, Praveen Kumar, Zaheer Khan, Pragyan Ojha. 12th man: S Sreesanth.

My ideal India ODI XI: Ajinkya Rahane, Cheteshwar Pujara, Virat Kohli, Yuvraj Singh, Suresh Raina, MS Dhoni (C&wk), Ravindra Jadeja, Irfan Pathan, R Ashwin, Bhuvaneshwar Kumar, Shami Ahmed. 12th man: Rohit Sharma.

My ideal India T20 XI: Murali Vijay, Ajinkya Rahane, Virat Kohli, Yuvraj Singh, Rohit Sharma, MS Dhoni (C&wk), Suresh Raina, Irfan Pathan, R Ashwin, Bhuvaneshwar Kumar, Shami Ahmed. 12th man: Ravindra Jadeja.

Posted by spiritwithin on (January 16, 2013, 12:59 GMT)

one more point i want to make,why english fans showing so much arrogance??its not as if their own team is world class,yes they won in india but india itself is poor team at the moment,losing a test series at home to SA,then getting blanked in UAE by pak,unable to win in SL where even NZ managed to drew the test series so i find it funny when eng fans has so such a big mouth in any cricket article,ur team is neither the team like aus nor like SA or pak,so calm down and try to give credit when opposition wins rather than finding excuses after excuses whenever ur team loses,i m very sure next ashes it will be aus who will win

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 16, 2013, 11:56 GMT)

@brusselslion: Yes, this is the whole bone of contention my dear. Eng fans & others talk of the need that Ind fans should be magnanimous, graceful, soft, courteous, sporting blah blah yet at the same time their own bunch of elite posters flame the forum. Just check what gulzee, GerrardLK, JChandi here among others. These ppl were downright abhorrent in their comments here. And we all know very what the likes of Botham, Vaughan. Hussain, Bresnan said when Ind toured Eng in 2011.

So you see, these ppl behave like this whether they win or they lose. And yet you ask for magnanimity from Ind fans? Is it fair?

I tell you this. IF Eng fans promise to be sporting and fair then I would be so. In fact I always initially praise Eng when they win. I also criticize my own players. I've said how Dinda and Ishant are useless compared to Finn/Cummins/Starc.

Ask Eng fans not to flame or at least be based on facts. You'll see the good Ind soon after that.

Posted by dilscoop_uk on (January 16, 2013, 11:50 GMT)

Well Played India ! The only thing I didnt like was Dhoni standing up on the stumps while B Kumar was bowling. I think he should be encouraged to bowl Fast he's already got the good control, bowlers are allowed 2 bouncers now per Over which is handy weapon to keep the batsmen in their crease.

Posted by 158notout on (January 16, 2013, 11:46 GMT)

I really think Dhoni should give up the captaincy in tests, or perhaps even retire from tests as it is clear his major strength in limited overs. He could go on stronger ans tronger if he stuck to ODI's.

Posted by saikarthikg on (January 16, 2013, 11:21 GMT)

Well played India. A comprehensive win, but, I still think that India could do better if the openers performed to their standards. A good opening partnership is the only thing that lacked in Indian performance in this match. Of course, this team still has a long way to go. In my opinion they are just finding their ground. Way to go @Indian_Team.

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 16, 2013, 11:06 GMT)

@A_Vacant_Slip: So you remember that jibe huh? Tell me what was it all about? It was about you trying to find some comfort in JG2704's company talking (bitching) about me indirectly, saying all sort of things about me. If you were to say something then I'd reply to it only. But if you don't say anything and BEHAVE like a wuss then I'd naturally talk about your BEHAVIOUR and not about your non-existent words. And then you'd cry that I was talking about your personal aspects - well, why behave that way then? You should have been tough enough to reply to me but you knew you had nothing substantial to say and so you just wanted some solace from JG2704.

Even here, you came and attacked me personally from the outset - I din't do that to you there. You accuse me of things and then expect I will remain quiet?

Fact is, you can't reply to my points cos they are too strong for you. You lack the salt to deal with them, all you can do is cry and weep and complain and crib. Keep at it....

Posted by fa_fabulous on (January 16, 2013, 11:01 GMT)

One can't understand England's selection policy for the ODIs. I mean, what was the necessity to not include Jimmy/Graeme/Monty. Was this ODI series not so important for them considering the fact that they have never won the ODI series in India since a good 20 years or so. The Englishmen won the test series because Jimmy & Monty had come good then. Considering the Indian batsmen were never comfortable against them, I think England have missed a trick here by not including Jimmy & Graeme/Monty (any of this). Look at how Dernbach & co. have fared. They help in regaining the for of Indian batsmen. They would have had a far better chance to wrap this ODI series if any 2 of the frontline bowlers were considered to give a good co. to Finn.

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 16, 2013, 10:58 GMT)

@KiwiRocker: Aha so you replied? Did you? Pls tell me the time stamp of it cos I just can't see any comment of yours where you took up that challenge. Any genuine person would have tagged me in that comment and given a well structured reply to the challenge but there is no such comment of yours that takes up that challenge - neither here nor on any other page where I've asked you to handle it.

It is clear that you are now talking of phantom comments cos you just don't have anything REAL to substantiate your silly claims.

Anyways, if you've already replied to that challenge then do you mind re-posting it here with the word CHALLENGE TAKEN UP as the 1st 3 words to make it more visible for others and easier for me to search?

Come on, if you've done it once then you can do it again too....pls.

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 16, 2013, 10:41 GMT)

@Thyagu5432: What's SRT got to do with this article beats me. Anyways, talking of THAT Ind-BD match, SRT's SR in that match was 77 while that of Kohli was 80 - not much of a diff, right? Now at that time Kohli was our best batsman undoubtedly while SRT was our oldest player. Can't you see that if our best batsman was scoring at a similar SR as that of our oldest batsman then may be it wasn't SRT's fault? May be the track was slow, may be the BD bowlers were bowling well. And one more thing, in BD's innings, BD's top scorer Tamim Iqbal's SR was slower than SRT's. Another 1 scored a 50 at SR similar to SRTs. Yet it was SRTs fault alone cos Ind lost? May be Ind bowled badly, may be BD batted well.

Talking of 20-30 runs more, Ind scored 338, ~50 more runs vs Eng in 2011 WC when SRT got a 100 - what happened there? Was it SRTs fault that Ind's bowlers failed to defend? May be Eng batted well, no?

May be SRT felt immense pressure in 90s - he is human too. Haque-BD used 23 balls in his 90s.

Posted by KiwiRocker- on (January 16, 2013, 10:37 GMT)

Harmony111: Just scroll down and you go your answer. It was also on the other article. You have been pasting the same thing and making your own fool. You also need to read before you write. Also a bit of tip, you do not have to respond to anything and everything anyone says! Just read and learn. Reality is that you are upset because Pak brown washed India in India. It must be pretty painful. I bet Yuvrj is still celebrating. Think like this, this is just a match pratice for England as they already won test series. English attack in Champs trophey will be: Jimmy, Finn, Broad, Swann, Tredwell etc. Do you think Dhoni's helicopter will fly there? His average outside India is pretty bad! FijiCricket: Sorry mate, I got no idea what you are saying. Come again?

Posted by maddy20 on (January 16, 2013, 10:35 GMT)

@JG2704 What you give is what you get mate. If you want to bash Indian fans on this thread then first look at comments by vacant slip and Front Foot Lunge. @Front-Foot-Lunge So were we beaten by England in tests? Thanks for letting me know. I thought it was South Africa 'A' for it was A Saffa who turned it around, a fact you cannot deny despite of any amount of claims that you make that he is your own. Until we are beaten by an English side with 11 players who learned and played all of their cricket for England, not SA under-19 imports(which they obviously can't) I would not accept we were beaten By Eng. As for spirit of cricket of Dhoni, tell the same to James Tredwell, for appealing against Yuvraj for LBW , when he had clearly gloved it!

Posted by colombo_SL on (January 16, 2013, 10:32 GMT)

At the moment, SL vs Aus 1-1, Eng Vs Ind 1-1. SA playing with NZ. Nice to see interesting cricket matches. Due to these matches, ICC ODI rankings are highly volatile these days.

Posted by Jayzuz on (January 16, 2013, 10:30 GMT)

To the English and Indian cricket fans: all i can say is that you deserve each other :-) Talk about childish!

Posted by colombo_SL on (January 16, 2013, 10:29 GMT)

Indians can take heart from their bowlers when analyzing the 3rd ODI with Pakistan & 2nd ODI with England. I really like to see Indian victories due to their bowlers. Very impressive performance.

Posted by A_Vacant_Slip on (January 16, 2013, 10:29 GMT)

@harmony111 - you ask why I do not rebut you point. Dude - there is nothing of substance to rebut - thats why no one here bother with you. Your performance on this forum alone has set new level of sneering condenscending awfulness. Then, incredibly, you claim you never make any personal comment about anyone here - except what was it you called me last time... " a puny buny"? What is this if it not a personal comment? What is that if it was not a personal attack? Tit for tat bud. I think you are temperamentally unsuited to chat room. How is that for a personal comment? Stop playing the poor innocent victim all the time - it doesn't suit you.

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 16, 2013, 10:10 GMT)

@KiwiRocker-: Let's set aside how much time I've spent where. I want you to tell me how much time have YOU spent in taking up the challenge I threw to you?

Just when will you deal with it?

You have been making some very funny and frivolous claims against India and Sachin on these fora. I've asked you to prove those claims or admit that you were wrong and diabolical in making those claims. How much time do you need to reply?

What is your excuse for not answering even after being reminded several times by me?

I gave you that challenge here .......... espncricinfo.com/india-v-pakistan-2012/content/story/599853.html?.............

Pick it up and handle it or admit your defeat. The more you delay it the more you get exposed here.

Posted by JG2704 on (January 16, 2013, 10:07 GMT)

@Shan156 on (January 15 2013, 22:53 PM GMT) Yeah maybe you're right there. I think I have one more he wants me to respond to but what's the point? We can all see the evidence of our own eyes. I like several Indian's such as Candid Indian,Itsthewayuplay,Sandy Bangalore,Satish C etc .

@Chris_P on (January 15 2013, 23:20 PM GMT) TBH I'm still quite interested although I feel our selectors etc have definitely prioritised tests firmly over other formats. I think we have a few batsmen inc Hales and Wright who are good prospects in this format but (despite this game) it's more the bowling that's a problem.BTW I agree with your comments (January 16 2013, 00:30 AM GMT)

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 16, 2013, 10:05 GMT)

@Al_Bundy1: If you are an Ind fan then your comment hurt me the most. What these Eng fans say to me does not matter to me, they will be like that anyways - win or lose. But if you call me as typical jingoistic desi fan boy then I wish there were less ppl like you to support India.

Just to tell you, most times when Ind have lost (well mostly) I've said well played to the other team, have listed out the performers of both sides and hoped India would win the next match. I praised Junaid and Irfan and had hoped it won't be 0-3 in ODIs. I'd praised Cook and KP for their batting and criticized Ashiwn/Ojha for being toothless. IS THIS NOT ENOUGH?

Your problem is that you equate sportsmanship with submission. You think to be called as fair and impartial you got to criticize your own players more than the others. You think anyone who asserts himself (esp an Indian) has to be a typical jingoistic fan boy.

Your pebble hurt me more than the stones of these Eng fans. Pls be better.

Posted by Fijicricket on (January 16, 2013, 10:04 GMT)

@KIWIROCKER- Pakistans win against INDIA in a meaningless series means nothing. Try beating India in a worldcup when everything matters! 7-0 IS THE CURRENT SCORE. ! No match when it comes to business. BTW weather its ENGLAND's B team or CDEF team, who cares ! INDIA BEAT ENGLAND. That umpiring error that gave out the world record holder for sixes YUVRAJ or else the margin would have been a lot bigger. 7-0 7-0 7-0 7-0

Posted by fa_fabulous on (January 16, 2013, 10:02 GMT)

One can't understand England's selection policy for the ODIs. I mean, what was the necessity to not include Jimmy/Graeme/Monty. Was this ODI series not so important for them considering the fact that they have never won the ODI series in India since a good 20 years or so. The Englishmen won the test series because Jimmy & Monty had come good then. Considering the Indian batsmen were never comfortable against them, I think England have missed a trick here by not including Jimmy & Graeme/Monty (any of this). Look at how Dernbach & co. have fared. They help in regaining the for of Indian batsmen. They would have had a far better chance to wrap this ODI series if any 2 of the frontline bowlers were considered to give a good co. to Finn.

Posted by Thyagu5432 on (January 16, 2013, 10:00 GMT)

@Harmony111: SRT's 100th 100 against Bangaldesh is enough proof for his selfishness. He scored that 100 off some 130 odd balls and normally the highest scorer in a ODI innings would have a strike rate which will be more than the team's strike rate. Needless to say, we fell short by 20 - 30 runs and Bangaldesh, of all teams, thrashed us in that match. Even now, he just doesn't want to retire inspite of so many failures. If he is really confident of scoring for the country, he shouldn't have retired from ODIs as well. He just wants to hang around so that his endorsement income keeps going.

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 16, 2013, 9:53 GMT)

@A_Vacant_Slip: All you get from me is a contemptuous sneer. Dude if you can't say anything concrete to rebut my points then why try at all? And at least pls don't attack me personally. I don't know how you got the idea how imp I think I am. I just comment here, maybe more than you do but so what? It is my right to comment here just as it is yours. I've never stopped you or questioned your right to post stuff here, all I do is either reply to others or comment myself. You can do that too, but why attack me personally?

Show me 1 comment of mine where I've said anything personal about anyone here. Its all about comments' content for me.

I see now that some Eng fans are getting into petty things. They can't reply to me directly so they talk about me amongst themselves to find some solace. It is clear that some of these Eng fans are unable to deal with the consequences of the fire they themselves started. They now cry for mercy, honour, ethics, respect....and I say schadenfreude.

Posted by JG2704 on (January 16, 2013, 9:51 GMT)

@Harmony111 on (January 15 2013, 15:15 PM GMT) Rubbish. You are doing exactly the thing you always proclaim to be innocent of. Gloating. Yes they are facts but one can still gloat about something factual. And yes it is gloating. Your whole post reeks more of England losing above praising your own side's efforts IE "Eng must be ashamed of today's loss. It is every bit as humiliating as it can get - quite close to their 80 a.o. in WT20 vs Ind." Pretty vulgar comms. BTW Hash_Tag's home truths have really got to you haven't they?BTW comms by Indian_Cricket_Fanatic on (January 15 2013, 16:49 PM GMT) is/are an example of celebrating a win in the right way. A huge difference between his and your posts.

Posted by KiwiRocker- on (January 16, 2013, 9:47 GMT)

Harmony111: You should asl CricInfo for for so many non sensical posts! It must have taken a lot of your time. I bet you have spend more time commenting on India's irrelevent win againt an English 'B' XI than India's top order against Pakitani pacers! Sadly, this horse is already boleted. India has lost test series against England and ODI series against arch rivals. Irony is that now Dhoni will be hailed as a God in Indian cricket and India will continue losing right left and centre with odd win at home thanks to Kulkarni type umpires!

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 16, 2013, 9:37 GMT)

@Dravid_Gravitas: Well, could you refer to the comment in whose response you replied to me? Or was it in general? Pls show me when did I say anyone saying anything or expressing his opinion was ranting? Pls show me. On the contrary, I clearly said in 1 comment of mine that no one is beyond criticism esp that Dhoni too is not transcendental or flawless but the criticism has to be honest and genuine and not just a case of venting out the frustration.

Take the case of some ppl accusing Dhoni of nepotism - I showed how it is misplaced. That is ranting. If someone says Dhoni is a poor Test batsman and should not be in the team I'd say yes to him, and I did say that....

As for you: You too have been guilty of misplaced criticism of SRT. Time and again I've asked you for your reasons for calling Sachin selfish but not once have you even taken it up. Show me the reasons and if they are fine then I'll agree with u. But unless u back your opinion up it will be seen as a rant against SRT.

Posted by CricketBirbal on (January 16, 2013, 9:30 GMT)

It's time we added fast bowlers like I C Pandey, Sandeep Sharma, Siddharth Kaul, Suraj Yadav from unfancied Ranji teams and allowed them to play in Tests, ODI's and T 20's like how Australia have blooded their new breed of fast bowlers in the last one year.

Posted by brusselslion on (January 16, 2013, 9:25 GMT)

With apologies to @sensible_indian_fan and similar Indian posters.

@Harmony111, @gsingh7, others: OK, you win. No Indian poster is anything other than humble in victory, magnanimous in defeat (not that this outcome happens very often). The Indian team itself won moral, if not actual, victories in the Test series in England, Australia and just before Xmas 2012 and will be rightfully re-instated as the #1 ranking team shortly. For my part, I now recognise that the world is indeed flat and was created in 7 days (including the obligatory rest day).

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 16, 2013, 9:12 GMT)

Chris_P: You said ... "you are very uncomplimentary (& disrespectful) of opposing players whether they are English, Australian, Sri Lankan or whatever. Definitely, & I mean definitely very biased in your posts."

Really?

Past evidence to disprove your uninformed point....

Amla: 1. espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-new-zealand-2012/content/story/600600.html

Ponting: (Even Ponting) 2. espncricinfo.com/australia-v-south-africa-2012/content/story/594478.html

Warner This is perhaps the best one, the most profuse one. 3. espncricinfo.com/champions-league-twenty20-2012/content/story/587699.html

Here Sinhaya is talking ill of HIS OWN players & I'm telling him to admire them: 4. espncricinfo.com/australia-v-sri-lanka-2012/content/story/600432.html

It got players from SA, Aus, SL. I don't have articles related to Eng players bookmarked but ask JG2704 how much I admire Ian Bell who I think cud be the best Eng batsman in all formats.

In this light, do you want to reconsider your comment?

Posted by Fijicricket on (January 16, 2013, 8:56 GMT)

I have heard that Taxi drivers in NZ have live TV coverage of all INDIA games in their taxi GPS. Kiwirocker please advise how we can also watch live INDIA games in our private vehicles.

Posted by Thyagu5432 on (January 16, 2013, 8:50 GMT)

Talking about Pujara, I feel we should earmark some players only for tests and not have them play other formats of the game. Pujara should be one of them. I feel our performance in tests is sub-par, because we get used to certain way of playing in ODI and T20 and the same becomes part of your instinct. It just doesn't work in tests. Out of the top cricket playing nations, the LCF of India's Test, ODI and T20 teams is in itself a 11 member team.

Posted by A_Vacant_Slip on (January 16, 2013, 8:48 GMT)

@Harmony111. Now I have seen it all from you. As usual your comment take over this forum and added together comprise longest Hissy Fit in history. Get over yourself you are not as important as you think you are. I guess this is the effect of eating too much sour grape.

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 16, 2013, 8:47 GMT)

@SamRoy: Why do you indulge in straw man tactics? You based your entire argument on something that I'd never said. I dare you to show me a single comment of mine on this page or anywhere else where I've said Dhoni is a pathetic captain cos he is losing matches now or cos his win/loss ratio has gone down or anything like that. Fact is, I did not say anything about Dhoni the test captain. What I had said was that Dhoni as a batsman should not be in the Test Team. That's it. Don't try to twist it.

Now tell me who has lost his mind? Gotta be you cos you can't even read properly.

And anyways look at the flaws & contradictions in your comment:

1. Dhoni sets defensive fields --- Well, he doesn't have wicket taking bowlers and they are not aggressive either. If you got a pistol to fight an enemy with a LMG would you attack him outright or hide yourself and wait for a tactical opening?

2. Dhoni's aggressive fields leave many gaps - LOL, ipso facto.

Ask Amla/Kallis bout Clarke's field.

Posted by karam11 on (January 16, 2013, 8:44 GMT)

Dhoni is the best captain India has ever produced its true Ganguly started it all but end of the day what counts is how many world cups you won, tat goes in history not the one who started it all but Ganguly is the bravest captain ever there is no denying tat..Dhoni would have been far more better player if not provided with the captainship burden...its true his decision are backfiring lately but we got to back our captain till he finds his way back remember cricket is a team game, our batsmen are terribly out of form and bowlers we consider front line bowlers are injured or out of form for ages, as they say captain is as good as the team, blaming game works for media not for Indian cricket.. BCCI has to take the initiatives of finding the bowlers to keep Indian cricket going forward otherwise we will become thing of the past and resources wasted..

Posted by mzm149 on (January 16, 2013, 8:42 GMT)

@counterstrike1.6 - We recognize that Pakistan batted poorly in last ODI but we were better than you in bowling and batting in all other matches.

Posted by kristee on (January 16, 2013, 8:34 GMT)

@ ankitbhar1409, someone below had made some adverse comments about Eng players' inability to post 150+; that's why I made that extreme comment on Sachin. suni550, Yuvraj had escaped before. So his dismissal is more than right. Going by Jadeja's records, I'm inclined to feel he'd have surrendered meekly if he had not had the company of Dhoni. So, Eng supporters have every right to feel let down no matter the margin was too big. And since it's India that's against DRS, other countries are more entitled to protest against bad decisions. It's another matter it's India that's still making too much fuss on them.

Posted by DeathKnell on (January 16, 2013, 8:21 GMT)

@KiwiRocker - if Imran played modern day cricket, then he would have said "well I am not sure if I need more players, but definitely with 3 bowlers less, atleast we lose without disgrace (to game & other players)" ... hope u understood what it is....

Posted by karam11 on (January 16, 2013, 8:16 GMT)

Congratulations Team India for winning the second one day comprehensively but, to win the series we need to tidy up some loose ends like replacing Gambhir with Pujara, To me Gambhir haven't shown signs of improvement, its his mindset and technique tats brothering him great deal not the usual out of form thing where you regain form in a couple of months, we cannot afford to sit on the laurels and hope for the best tat too when you have the resource on hand like Pujara who is in top notch form considering the age and future in mind, i suggest it would be a good idea to replace him now so he gets some respite to look at things at get back up before the start of the Australian series, Bowling has always been concern for India from the inception of the game, we are a country with insanely high number of batsmen at hand, Sack Ishant sharma and bring Irfan Pathan or Praveen Kumar or Umesh if available these are our front line bowlers and B Kumar is a revelation

Posted by colombo_SL on (January 16, 2013, 8:07 GMT)

With the result of this match, England moved down to the No.2 spot of rankings. SA is no.1. India can be achieved no.1 spot this week,, if they can continue this form. If SA lose 19th match with NZ & if India win over Eng on 19th match, India willl move to the no.1 spot. Go India go! Wish Indian team all success.

Posted by colombo_SL on (January 16, 2013, 8:01 GMT)

India is very fortunate to have a player like B. Kumar. Nice to see fast bowlers are among the wickets. Dhoni proved his class again. Excellent performance from R. Jadeja. They can definitely win the series.

Posted by colombo_SL on (January 16, 2013, 7:56 GMT)

Well played India. Nice to see, India back into their excellent performance. Hope they can win the series.

Posted by KiwiRocker- on (January 16, 2013, 7:48 GMT)

MrMojoRisin: That joke was about Indian umpires. It goes like this: Indian media asked Kapil Dev in 1986 series against Pakistan that what will be two players you would like from Pakistani team. Kapil responded: Javed Miandad and Imran Khan offcourse! Same question was posed to Imran, and he responded; I do not need any Indian players, Just give me two Indian umpires! Mate, truth is that Indian umpires are and have been the worse in world. Look at Pakistani umpires. The top two umpires in world are both Pakistanis. Aleem Dar has been so good in all conditions! So please do not make a fool of yourself by making such comments. If you are in Australia then why are you supporting India? I support New Zealand against every team and then Pakistan playing against anyone except New Zealand. Although, I must say that I also support anyone playing agains Australia as it is bit boring seeing Australia losing to All Blacks all the time: Meety: Whats with the name calling little man?

Posted by sachin_vvsfan on (January 16, 2013, 7:46 GMT)

@Meety Kiwirocker is a pak fan working in NZ.You would see him in all india related forums bashin sachin (just like how RandyOZ trolls in Eng articles) (guess what he brought sachins name here even after his retirement in ODIs)

As for this match, DRS or not , luck or no luck, Eng did not look like a side that has the capability/hunger to chase down the target (esp ODIs) . Once KP was out it was all indias way (though i agree that their bowlers made some of our players like jadeja look like a better allrounder than what he is capable of)

Posted by BowlersWinMatches on (January 16, 2013, 7:36 GMT)

For all my indian mates who wants to have sreesanth back in the indian team, please check his bowling stats before writing. He has a terrible economy rate and not so good average. Im sure india has better bowling options available. even dinda cannot be just picked for death bowling only, you have to be a complete bowler.

Posted by DeathKnell on (January 16, 2013, 7:22 GMT)

TO ALL DRS WHINGERS - especially for the ones who take it on a deeper level, saying Indian ump etc.. here is a comment from cricinfo official commentary

- 6.3 Kumar to Bell, no run, big lbw appeal, the ball jagging back in at Bell, who played all around it - but umpire Steve Davis shakes his head. Height might have been a question, it came back a long way but hit him in line ... looked pretty good to me

yes you read it right over #6.3, when eng was 33 during FIRST ODI, Bell was out Plumb - given not out, put in suave fashion by the gentle commentator above.. to see what it means really just run through the video again.. this pair made 150 odd partnership and India ended up losing by 9 runs chasing 325... so what is it called?????

Posted by Fijicricket on (January 16, 2013, 7:18 GMT)

@#Front-Foot-Lunge- The entire Australian team will NOT walk even if the nick was heard miles away or the edge was caught at 1st slip. ARE they displaying bad sportsmanship also like Dhoni and INDIA or do you have different guidelines to sportsmanship for ENG/AUS/SA/NZ?

Posted by Meety on (January 16, 2013, 7:12 GMT)

@murale on (January 16 2013, 01:10 AM GMT) - whoaa! I would back Oz's Umpiring history over any nation. Since Nuetral Umpires, I would say ONLY Pakistan have had better umpires. @Htc-Android on (January 16 2013, 05:21 AM GMT) - I think kiwirocker is a twit, but I do believe he is a kiwi, probably of Paki decent. @MrMojoRisin on (January 16 2013, 06:25 AM GMT) - cricket history has often labelled Paki umpires as poor, but given they now have the TWO BEST umpires on the elite panel, I have started to doubt that. So I for one don't make comments on past Paki umpires unless cornered in an arguement!

Posted by SamRoy on (January 16, 2013, 7:01 GMT)

Harmony111 You, my friend, have probably lost your mind. Let's start. Dhoni is a pathetic test captain not because he is losing matches now. He still has a better win loss record than say Stephen Fleming. Does that mean Dhoni is better than Fleming? No way. Fleming was one very fine test captain. Dhoni is a bad test captain because he sets defensive fields which are effectively fields set for bad bowling. So good opposition batsman milk his team's bowling all day long without taking risks and so hardly ever get out. Even when he sets aggressive fields he keeps so many gaps in the field that it is easy to score runs without taking any risks. If you look at fields set by Michael Clarke you will understand what a good field setting means. I have said Dhoni was a bad test captain since 2010 when every second Indian was going gaga over Dhoni.

Posted by Lmaotsetung on (January 16, 2013, 6:55 GMT)

Woakes bowled better than his figures indicated and Dernbach might be nearing the end as well as Kieswetter. I wouldn't mind a recall of Prior to bat at #6 in ODIs or give Butler or Bairstow the gloves. The thing with the England mgmt is that they'll give a player every chance to succeed whch is hwy Bopara was in the England setup for years and years with little to show. We need the youngsters to knock harder on the door and knock it down quicker. Guys like Meaker, Briggs, Hales, Butler, Bairstow, Root, Woakes, etc. They need to push the seniors harder. Btw I see a lot of posters who've been missing in action since the Mumbai test are out in full force today and commenting like there is no tomorrow :-)

Posted by Meety on (January 16, 2013, 6:50 GMT)

@JG2704 on (January 15 2013, 14:34 PM GMT) - well said. Without Hotspot, I don't believe that could of been given out (Dhoni), & I actually think the Umpire made a fair call. The bits of the game I did see, the crowd noise was massive. So whilst Dhoni went on with the job, England were lucky with the Yuvraj dismissal. On another thread I confidently stated that Root wouldn't get away with those figures (1st ODI) a 2nd time, well he technically bettered it - albeit off 2 overs! I am dissapointed for Woakes on a couple of levels (1. The Dhoni dismissal) & 2. the overall game he had (bowling started off well), probably will have to wait another year or two for a game & watch Durnbach go the journey again & again & again!

Posted by realfan on (January 16, 2013, 6:48 GMT)

i think bhuvaneshwar will go long way in indian cricket... he is just not good find, but i think is very fit, which is very important... because he bowled 10 overs in full trot in 2 matches recently and he dint seem tired.... and he keep his line tight even in that long spell.... i hope india utilize him well

Posted by Porky_PigTheToon on (January 16, 2013, 6:45 GMT)

@ mzm149 - Of course, Pak won the series, but don't know why you guys don't wanna talk about the last ODI.

Posted by realfan on (January 16, 2013, 6:43 GMT)

@kiwirocker... you are full of yourself... making junaid khan a player to compare in his early days..... remember junaid khan also bowled in helpful conditions so as bhuvaneshwar.... i would like to see how the very Junaid khan of yours play in flat tracks....i think he will go for runs for the pace and length he bowls....and he is no special kid, he got just out of form indian batsmen..... and as for as bhuvaneshwar... he bowled pretty well in first odi against england on a flat track, nearly got BELL out 2 times... he just lacked support from other end....

Posted by realfan on (January 16, 2013, 6:35 GMT)

@cricket man ... in test most decisions went against england? u must be kidding... 1st test aleem dhar favouring cook for about 4 times in a match... 2nd test again cook saved of close call from harbajan, pujara given out at short mid wicket.... trott not given out in last match,

tat's it... how many around 8 to 10 favouring decisions for england in 1 test series and you say india got more favouring decisions.... ridiculous isn't it.......

Posted by priceless1 on (January 16, 2013, 6:25 GMT)

Dhoni was out when he was 5 , thanks to the Indian umpired he was given a life , this is the success story of India ,without their umpires ( specially when their is no and no UDR's) they cannot win any thing

Posted by MrMojoRisin on (January 16, 2013, 6:25 GMT)

@KiwiRicker...assuming you're a kiwi. I would politely shed some light on Paki umpires: The Kiwis did not tour Pakistan much in the 80s and 90s and the early 2000s, so you probably do not know the Pakistan umpires' records when officiating at home. Some joked that the Pakistan cricket team would play with a team of 11, and that even the umpires APPEALED against visiting batsmen, before giving them out. I have not had the chance to see these recent umpiring decisions that are being discussed (those pictures are not being shown in Oz), but umpires are human and make mistakes. Only a couple of days ago, we had the third umpire (and using DRS, no less) WRONGFULLY adjudicate Clint McKay to be caught behind, where all evidence was to the contrary. I didnlt lose sleep, after we lost to SL in that match. So there you go

Posted by Hammond on (January 16, 2013, 6:20 GMT)

Glad to see Pate & Rootl batting well again, KP looked good and Finn bolwed well. Given that this is clearly England's B side in relation to bowlers, not too concerned with the result in any of these games. Come winter the big guns will be all together. These games are a glorified net. Hales looks good in the Big Bash, get him over there, and whatever happened to Onions?

Posted by Nish_US on (January 16, 2013, 6:12 GMT)

@Harmony111

Jadeja did fire in this match.. did not see his heroics live...but I was not impressed by his approach against pace bowlers in the previous outings... did not rise enough confidence..

He is effective in the subcontinent, but how would he justify his position when it comes to foreign tours, with spinners already in Ashwin, raina and Yuvi....

Posted by Nish_US on (January 16, 2013, 6:08 GMT)

No complaints against Dhoni's ability or strategy in T20s and ODIs (though at times felt the field to be a bit defensive, even when the ball/ bowler is doing a bit)... he is like some one good at say playing rapid fire in chess...... but when it comes to the longer format he does not have the same impact with his batting or captaincy... and really not many options available at the moment.

Posted by Nish_US on (January 16, 2013, 6:04 GMT)

Ashwin, if at all he wants to be effective again... needs to take a page out of Ajmal's book when it comes to pitch map.....

Aswin's carrom balls all pitched on middle and leg, where as all his off-spinners are pitched on or outside off... the batsmen picked this and based on the line play him

when you see ajmal's pitch map, both his off-spinner and doosra land just about off/outside off creating doubt which way it spins...you cannot pick his delivery based on where it lands as he mixes them up nicely.

Posted by Mitcher on (January 16, 2013, 5:51 GMT)

Well well well. Will the BCCI now demand an end to another umpire's career. Oh... Sorry I forgot this was another inept (or worse) home official favouring the 'Gods' of cricket. If only India could produce some umpires worthy of the elite panel. Even the ICC - now controlled by the BCCI's economic might - know these guys aren't up to it. @Harmony: Please keep up the good work... For now...Hoping you'll run out of steam come the Australia series.

Posted by binu.emiliya on (January 16, 2013, 5:51 GMT)

Good win,Congrats Team India,I am very happy that Jadeja performed well yesterday Still some indian fans want to sack Dhoni,Raina & Jadeja from the team....! Try this team ( i know they are not reading these comments :) ) for the last two ODI s 1.Rohith Sharma ( any ways our openers are failing,let this guy also try in opening slot) 2.Pujara,3.Kohli,4.Yuvi,5.Dhoni,6.Raina,7.Jadeja 8.PRassol/J saxena/P Ojha 9.B Kumar 10.Sreeshanth 11.Shami Ahmad

Posted by Nish_US on (January 16, 2013, 5:46 GMT)

@Harmony111

One thing I sure agree with you "Things changed in 2011 when Eng fans spoke with contempt for Ind's #1 Test rank inter alia"

That series, the Eng commentators and fans really went out of bounds....It is one thing to be on cloud nine winning against the No 1 team, but they did really tried their best to deride Indian team and their previous achievements. Thats when I lost respect for Eng commentators and fans....

I really waited for the test series in India, but as soon as Dravid and Lakshman retired, it became quite clear that we wont be able to retaliate... thats when Pujara by being the lonely warrior he is - just like Dravid in 2011 stood apart and fought... something that definitely needs to be appreciated and encouraged.

Posted by AjitDJ on (January 16, 2013, 5:40 GMT)

Playing exceptionally well once in 10 matches might be good enough for players to retain their places.

But for the team to do well, all the players have to start performing consistently.

Posted by   on (January 16, 2013, 5:34 GMT)

poor umpireing continued against england in one day international also. england playing with 13 player against india.

Posted by dunger.bob on (January 16, 2013, 5:34 GMT)

@ AshG77 on (January 16 2013, 04:31 AM GMT) : "It seems like that everyone in the discussion group wants to be part of the Indian cricket team selection committee" . I've only got one change, Gambhir for anyone who can stand up !! .. He's the very model of a modern major no account.

Posted by AMAZINGFAN on (January 16, 2013, 5:30 GMT)

ENG FANS r the most arrogant cricket fans.....they don't appreciate good cricket as they only want to see their team winning...inspite of hosting world cups they still cudn't win a single world cup...ENG test series victory over india was fluke as most indian players were not in form...and less said is better abt eng's odi performances against ind....

Posted by   on (January 16, 2013, 5:28 GMT)

poor umpireing continued, england is playing against 13 player in india. in test match most decesion went against england, now in one day match.......

Posted by Htc-Android on (January 16, 2013, 5:21 GMT)

@KiwiRocker-. By the way no born and bred kiwi will use the word called 'Desi'. You got owned buddy.

Posted by Albert_cambell on (January 16, 2013, 5:17 GMT)

@KiwiRocker-. The funny part is Harmony111 considers this indian team as their D team. He considers bowlers like Umesh, Varun, Sreesanth are worldclass bowlers. According to our Harmony111 these bowlers are equally good as mcrath, shaun pollock, steyn, wasim, walsh. Sometimes Harmony111 provides some great entertainment for us. I am expecting more entertainment from him.

Posted by AMAZINGFAN on (January 16, 2013, 5:13 GMT)

i feel for dhoni haters as he gave them no chance to open their mouth....great innings from the best odi player...eng was a never a good odi team and they will never be.....@KiwiRocker,don't worry abt india we will come out of this,but don't forget that ur pak is going to play outside uae after long time(thank god) and we will see what ur paper tigers can do in sa....

Posted by Thyagu5432 on (January 16, 2013, 5:07 GMT)

@KiwiRocker: Your ifs and buts and could haves and would haves do not make much sense. If fortunes were different, India would have beaten Pak fair & square in one of the matches. If Dhoni was out early, Jadeja would have got 37 more balls to score an additional 61 runs. That way we would have anyway scored 240 which is still 80 more runs than what England scored. Bottomline is England was lucky to have won the first ODI. More wins for them in this series seems impossible.

Posted by KiwiRocker- on (January 16, 2013, 5:04 GMT)

I do not buy this flawed notion of India is re-building. Team building and dveelopment should be a continous process. If you look at India's batting then even a player like Rahane has been around for 2 odd years in Internal cricket. If you look at India's bowling, their opening bowlers are newish but players like Ishant and Ashwin has been around for some time. Bhuvneshwar Kumar is a hyped up player who has been found out on less helpful wickets. I do not see him being India's next Junaid Khan.India's bowling will always be at 'rebuilding' stage because no one is good enough to perform and play long enough. The whole notion of India is in transition is flawed! It is a failure of Indian selectors who prolonged worthless careers of players like Tendulya and this has resulted in players like Tiwari and like missing out. A whole generation of Indian players is lost and India's bench strength now is close to zero!Look at English team, now that is called a young, re-building team!

Posted by shakeal on (January 16, 2013, 5:03 GMT)

It was very disappointing to find only Dhoni and Raina mentioned in regard to India's massive total but Ravindra Jadeja's all round performance didn't get the due mention no wonder India is obsessed with Dhoni and so is the media , SAD is the word to say the least.

Posted by shaalim on (January 16, 2013, 5:03 GMT)

Who ever involved in Captaincy politics in India... ruined himself... previously it was Sehwag and Now Virat.... I think players in the MS Dhoni group are palying well... and it seems 4 Vs 7.... If all will play in unity, I think it would be difficult for any team to defeat India..

Posted by AMAZINGFAN on (January 16, 2013, 5:02 GMT)

@harmony111,sir i like ur comments but i beg to differ on ur thoughts on rahane....i don't think rahane will succeed at international level,he also seems to be an indian batsman who can't play seam or swing bowling.....i hope rahane proves me wrongin coming matches for sake of indian cricket....@ GerrardLK,lol have u forgot that dhoni was man of series in eng 2011,he averaged more than 50 in cb series...and why u r calling ur bowling line up as second string because ur prefered bowlers like swann,anderson always struggled against india in odis.....

Posted by Chris_P on (January 16, 2013, 4:58 GMT)

@murale A history of bad umpiring? In whose eyes? You don't get so many umpires on the elite panel form bad umpiring pal. One thing about our umpires in the past, even if they had a bad decision, their houses were in no danger of being burnt down!!..

Posted by   on (January 16, 2013, 4:36 GMT)

Some extremely poor captaincy/management decisions by Cook & Giles in this match. The first - & most glaring - was the retention of Dernbach, despite overwhelming evidence accepted by everyone bar what passes for England's think-tank that he's not even close to being an international-class seamer. The carnage that followed was entirely predictable.

The second was Cook's captaincy-by-numbers decision to persist with the seamers towards the end of India's innings despite the fact that England's spinners had conceded just over four an over while our seamers were regularly being despatched for over ten RPO. Root was allowed to bowl just two overs, during which he went for five runs. Wasn't Cook counting?

The third was the decision to send in Root at #4, a position rightfully assigned to players with proven experience & condition-specific expertise, i.e. such as that displayed by Samit Patel. Result: Root & K'Wetter became hopelessly bogged down &, in effect, surrendered the match.

Posted by AshG77 on (January 16, 2013, 4:31 GMT)

It seems like that everyone in the discussion group wants to be part of the Indian cricket team selection committee

Posted by Saqib_Sheraz on (January 16, 2013, 4:25 GMT)

One thing has observed by me that, only Dohni's favorite players performing continually and others are failed to deliver. i.e. Raina, Jadeja, Ashwin, Bhuvneshwar etc... PS Dhoni himself. WELL PLAYED INDIA

Posted by KiwiRocker- on (January 16, 2013, 4:20 GMT)

murale:What do I have to do with poor umpiring in Australia? Just to enlighten you, I am from New Zealand and NOT Australia. However, I am a passionate fan and supporter of Pakistani team as they have passion and play a real brand fearless cricket. Anoop:Yes, Yuvraj Singh could have scored but it was 'could have' and not guaranteed.On other hand, Dhoni was out fair and square and even he knew and it would have meant India being bundled out for less than 150 and walk in the park for England. Umpire Kulkarni gave best English batsman out. No wonder BCCI is begging Pakistani and South African umpires to officiate in their own demestic cricket. Harmony: Desi, I have responded you few times. Whole world knows that India uses special cricket balls to influence match results.I have never seen a team as desperate as India to win. Did you see wicket in 4th test against England?Tendulya was one vocal opponent of India/Pak ties and it is well documented in newspapers! Research before commenting!

Posted by Fast_Track_Bully on (January 16, 2013, 4:20 GMT)

@SS_Esen India's protest was against bad umpiring on 7-8 decisions that particular match and not a single event. Why the England team and media do not have complaint against it? Just because there is only one decision against England which was at the end of their innings where things were already decided. That catch/stumping of Finn was the real mistake from umpire Davis.Thank god, it is not from an Indian umpire.If you donot like the parcel of the game, you can protest against it. Why your team management is silent?

Posted by landl47 on (January 16, 2013, 4:15 GMT)

Back to reality for England after their win in the first game. Finn bowled a little better, but although Tredwell and Patel didn't bowl badly, they're no Swann and Panesar. Woakes and Dernbach are nowhere near Anderson and Broad and surely the time has come to admit that Dernbach isn't international class? I'm a Woakes fan, but I don't think he has been done any favours by putting him in this situation. He'll make it as a test player if he makes it at all.

The batting was awful, with Bell getting out to a ball that would have been a wide and Morgan being done easily by Kumar, who bowled very well. Cook got another bad decision, as did Yuvi, and the BCCI are the laughing stock of world cricket for not accepting the DRS. KP was outthought by Dhoni (though outthinking KP isn't hard) who stood up and forced him to play from the crease. Good work, and Dhoni all round had a great game. Good signs from Root, though, who worked hard in tough conditions.

Well played, India.

Posted by suni550 on (January 16, 2013, 4:05 GMT)

@SS_Esen, and @kristee, did you guys forget the Yuvraj out? He was out for bad umpiring LBE which was inside edged. England team know well what wud have happened if Yuvi was there for some time

Posted by ankitbhar1409 on (January 16, 2013, 3:59 GMT)

@kristee. its horrible that u feel like that about a greatest player of all time sachin tendulkar... its a shameful thing not accepting a great players performances and biasing on the basis of country... only u people can do that.

Posted by bijuphilip on (January 16, 2013, 3:53 GMT)

what you guys think about yuvaraj open the innings in one day and t20?

Posted by sensible-indian-fan on (January 16, 2013, 3:48 GMT)

Unfortunately some of the comments by some indian fans make NO sense at all. Before this match, many wanted Raina to be dropped. I wrote a strong worded comment in support for that guy (which unfortunately cricinfo didn't publish). Raina has been India's second best batsmen during Pak tour. That guy comes in when the team needs him to hit and he plays for the team. ALWAYS. Now these fans want Kohli and Ashwin to be dropped. Kohli?? Ashwin?? Ok, Kohli didn't have 4 good matches but that guy was the sole reason we won games the last year (give him time). And Ashwin??? Ok, he didn't perform to his potential (or anywhere near it) during the test series Vs england but he was superb vs Pak (most people don't notice it), bad in the first game vs Eng, and did bowl really well in this game (barring the Patel over). He needs to work on his consistency but that guy is sheer potential. Yes, Pujara needs to be in but not at the cost of Kohli. I would prefer Gambhir to go out.

Posted by   on (January 16, 2013, 3:33 GMT)

Well played, India: even without what I'd euphemistically describe as Umpire Kulkarni's decidedly eccentric umpiring decisions, you'd have won with plenty to spare.

Delighted for the much-maligned Ravi Jadeja, who's beginning to show just how much he's improved as both a batsman & a containing spinner over the last couple of years. Bhuvi Kumar looks like a major find, too. With the emergence of Kohli, Pujara, Rahane, Ojha, Jadeja, Yadav & Kumar (a month ago I'd have included Ashwin in that list, but he seems to be going backwards with alarming rapidity) over the past 18 months or so, India have far less to worry about than many of their fans appear to suppose. Give them another year or so & they'll be snapping at the heels of The Big Four (SA, England, Pakistan & Australia) again.

Posted by nyc_missile on (January 16, 2013, 3:02 GMT)

The irony of Ind cricket and selectors/administration in specific,is judging players in one format based on performances on the other.Now our genius selectors will retain MSD for Oz tour *IF* he wins *ODI* series against Eng.I mean what kind of logic is this?

MSD is a legendary ODI player,decent T20 and a below-par test player.In tests,apart from his own woeful batting form,team is also struggling because of his tactical&selection blunders.So judge him on that,simple.

Remove him as test captain and let him maximize his talents/energy in a format(ODI) he's more comfortable & likely to score runs too.Even here team performance has to be accounted for.No big wins in ODIs either since WC,so its better to give captaincy to a younger player with MSD as a main-stay in the batting order.Is it that hard? I don't even care who captains T20 because we play a handful of 'em anyway.As Akash Chopra keeps saying,we need to distinguish between MSD as a captain & MSD the batsman.

Posted by anoop3301 on (January 16, 2013, 3:01 GMT)

@kiwirocker - yuvraj singh got an equally rough deal. But it is hardly surprising that you would not have seen it. As an embarassment on public forums, I would suggest that you continue to entertain us with your outstanding suggestions. "India's test status needs to be reviewed " ???? why not ODI status too and spark the decline of world cricket.

Posted by bijuphilip on (January 16, 2013, 2:58 GMT)

sachin and jayasuria were no an opening batsmen,but they were really successfull,the same way,yuvi can open the innings with pujara,last five games yuvi cme to bat before sixth over. my line up 1.yuvi (play like yuvi)2.pujara,3gambir,4.kholi,5rahane,6dhoni,7raina,8jadeja9.bukumar,10shamiahemed.11sreesanth(since he is not available for next game irsanth or dinda raina and yuvi can bowl easliy 10 over for aswin same result,we can acomadate pujara.

there is no point aswin plays in one day or even t20,poorfielding,running beween the wicket also poor,but he is a good number 6 or 7 test batsmen.

Posted by Kolpak1989 on (January 16, 2013, 2:42 GMT)

Nothing funnier than Front-Foot-Lunge's excuses and sour grapes after an England loss. I doubt it will be the last time we see it this series.

Posted by WishIndiaImprove on (January 16, 2013, 2:17 GMT)

I think we should have Ashwin or Jadeja in playing eleven. Both of them should be in the squad but one in final 11. Need to get a spinner who can spin in any pitches.

Posted by SS_Esen on (January 16, 2013, 2:08 GMT)

England done with bad umpiring. Thanks to BCCI for not having DRS!!!!! the only country opposing it.

What is the use of having a technology, without using them. Stop telecasting cricket when you are not using technological advancements. Atleast we will revert back to our old ways of reading in newspapers what is written in them.

Even no word about that by any of the commentators who are airing their views. All the TV & other media would have been up & down, when India have received these type of umpiring decisions. And will go to the extent of changing the umpire themselves, as in the case of Steve Bucknor. Well when it is to their gain they simply yawn and tell these are part and parcel of the game. What a double tounged attitude.

It is very hard to believe why the other cricket playing nations are not forcing the ICC, to implement DRS? May be ICC is hand in glove with the richest sports governing body in the world BCCI, or simply don't want to loose the income generated out of it.

Posted by kristee on (January 16, 2013, 2:05 GMT)

Dhoni was out when on 6. If that had happened to KP and he had amassed all those runs, a whining session would have ensued here. As for 150 + scores, Sachin's only ones abroad came against Namibia and a weak NZ, playing all those 23 years.

Posted by AjberTheGangulian on (January 16, 2013, 1:52 GMT)

Again the insulting public at Kochi stadium continue.. Spectators are caged in and every replays were prevented by the adds....

Posted by Ramkumar1972 on (January 16, 2013, 1:48 GMT)

It was an emphatic win, India did outplayed ENGLAND. Our middle order took charge of the game very well, Yuvi, Kholi laid the foundation, Raina and Dhoni's consolidated the innings and Dhoni and Jadeja closed on the innings very well hammering all the bowlers- it was absolutely responsible partnership which took away the game from England. Our Bowlers stuck to the line and lenth, the UP lads did a tremendous Job, swing bowling is always a great art, Dhoni's strategy to stand up to protect BK was a master strategy for a Batsman like KP. Ishant looked warry, needs some reassrance from the captain. All our spinners dd a splendid job in the middle Except KP, all the English batmen faltered. Great game.

Its high time India opts for DRS, which will ensure transparency and good option for Batsmen and Bowlers to review umpiring decision.Thanks to Imran Khan for the netral umpiring strategy, with the technology available- DRS will help a rebuilding India team from umpiring errors.Good day

Posted by BeHumble on (January 16, 2013, 1:48 GMT)

@kiwirocker: Indian team is in rebuilding mode with guys like Tendulkar, Sehwag, Zaheer etc. on the way out. So quit making excuses for England's bowling attack. You win some, you loose some. It's funny how the non Indian Elite umpires make all sorts of mistakes in every series also. Pretty convenient for you to not mention Steve Davis's bad decision against Yuvraj. Your point about Australia thrashing India in every format is not going to happen in India. Australia are a top team but they will struggle without quality spinners in India. We will see who is right pretty soon on that. I hope your name kiwirocker doesn't mean that you are a New Zealand fan because the way they are playing these days doesn't bode well for their test status actually.

Posted by VickGower on (January 16, 2013, 1:46 GMT)

" and it was Dhoni, a captain deemed to be under pressure..."

...because of misfiring by a certain section of the media and fans who conflate Dhoni's performances with the failures of BCCI in developing a good pipeline of players that can succeed in all conditions. Because Dhoni is the captain of the team owned by Srinivasan, most detractors of Srinivasan/BCCI have turned into Dhoni haters it seems. I am just impressed by Dhoni's ability to shut out all this ignorance and continue being the awesome sportsperson he is. Others may have more talent - others may be better performers, but to me, to perform with the sort of composure he maintains is not just a credit to cricket, but ALL sports.

Posted by Dreamsroshan on (January 16, 2013, 1:30 GMT)

It was an awesome victory for India... Congrats gentlemen... Alright, we need to think about the form of Gambhir n Ashwin in particular. I agrees to the fact that recent performances of Ishant and Kohli were not the greatest. But we cannot accept the selection of Ashwin in the playing XI considering the fact that the players like Harbhajan, Amit Mishra, Pragyan Ojha are waiting for the opportunities. At some point in time ashwin n gambhir have to prove a point to the selectors and the fans why they are to be casted in the future playing XIs. Ravindra Jadeja has proven a point today and am happy for him coz as we always say Jadeja n Rohit are two young lads with lot of talents but lack of success

Posted by jmcilhinney on (January 16, 2013, 1:30 GMT)

India did have the best of the umpiring errors but I'm not sure that DRS would have helped England all that much anyway. Dhoni was caught behind on 6 and England would have reviewed that, so that would have had an impact. Yuvraj would have reviewed his LBW though, so that would have at least partially cancelled that out. Yuvraj should have been caught behind earlier but I'm not sure England would have reviewed anyway. Cook was not out but the ball pitched close enough to leg stump that I'm not sure England would have reviewed that either. Even if all those decisions had been made correctly though, I'm still not sure that England played well enough to win. On the subject of edges not being heard by the umpires, given that they have an ear-piece already, maybe they should be wired up to the stump mic. If they were then I'm sure that Dhoni at least would have been correctly given out. As it stands though, I can't hold it against the umpires for not hearing an edge amidst all that racket.

Posted by murale on (January 16, 2013, 1:10 GMT)

Hi KiwiRocker Australia has the history of bad umpiring. Better you write about your own mess.

Posted by kumarcoolbuddy on (January 16, 2013, 0:42 GMT)

I think Indian fans are showing complacency here after leveling the series with 1-1. Still long way to go. ENG team is definitely not so great but Indian team is definitely not in good form except today. Awful bowling from India's top spinner Ashwin today. If Indian spinners Ashwin & co andopeners are not performing well then India has to pay for it.

Posted by Temuzin on (January 16, 2013, 0:32 GMT)

India played great cricket today. Dhoni is an outstanding and most impactful player in the world. He has been saviour of Indian team and delivers victory when ever he strikes form. Lets enjoy todays performance of Dhoni, Jadeja and Bhuvneshwar. It seems thye have found the rithm. Last game they lost by a narrow margin of 90 runs. Ishant and Gambhir must be replaced and then this team will win the series 4-1 irrespective of certain people obsessed against Dhoni, he is the best captain in the world today.

Posted by Chris_P on (January 16, 2013, 0:30 GMT)

@Harmony111. Let's face it mate, you are very uncomplimentary (& disrespectful) of opposing players whether they are English, Australian, Sri Lankan or whatever. Definitely, & I mean definitely very biased in your posts.

Posted by Nampally on (January 16, 2013, 0:19 GMT)

Now that Dhoni has finalized his own XI in the ODI's, however irrational it may be, why not release Pujara & Rohit Sharma to play in the Ranji semi finals for their respective Saurashtra & Mumbai teams. Indian Selectors must also read Harsha Bhogle's realistic write up on selecting > than XI players is tying up the talent on the bench. Pujara is the best batsman in India today & if he is not wanted in the Dhoni's India, he is welcomed with open arms in the Ranji match. We all know how stubborn Dhoni is - right up to the batting order.His XI remains unchanged -Win or Lose. If Selectors wanted Pujara in the team, then they should give Dhoni just XI players + 2 local cricketers to act as sub. or carry Dhoni's helmet when he wants it. Dhoni cannot call for his helmet & rant at Pujara in view of whole TV audience Just to show he is the Boss!. Release these 2 Stars - badly wanted by their respective team.They are Not interested in warming the bench & zero hope of playing in "MSD XI"!

Posted by Maxyboy_123 on (January 15, 2013, 23:59 GMT)

@Harmony111 what utter drivel. I dread reading the comments board when a test match is on. But then you don't have much to say when your losing.

Posted by Jayzuz on (January 15, 2013, 23:57 GMT)

It's hardly surprising that England struggle in ODIs in India. I was surprised they won the first game. Both the batting and the bowling (especially) are just not suited to Indian conditions. Anderson and Broad would make no difference, as they are swing/seam bowlers. This is an England team that will be difficult to beat in England, will lose most of the time outside. Note the last two results against Australia: 4-0 win at home, 6-1 loss in Australia. Similar story with the previous two series vs India. India is a bit weak at the moment, even in ODIs (much worse in tests), so England do have a shot in this series still.

Posted by IAS2009 on (January 15, 2013, 23:55 GMT)

4 bowlers and 3 part timers is good combination, the pressure created by opening bowlers was not relieved by part timers like in other ODI losses, It was good team win. now people have start criticizing Kohli, he is good batsman he was on roll for very long time and nothing could go wrong for hom now it is the opposite, he always play one bad shot to get out, in the past he was getting away with it, everyone goes through rough patches. This England outfit is not their first choice team bowling is very weak, If Anderson and Broad were in team it will very tough task for Indian openers. India were twice 5 for 50 against Pakistan new bowl bowlers. I think for the future ODI selection teams need to look into Batsmen technique also to survive 50 overs, SL have beaten Aussies 2nd tier side so easily SL bowlers were unplayable with slight favorable condition.

Posted by moscowman on (January 15, 2013, 23:53 GMT)

REHANE has had enough chances. If this is his contribution,you can bring back Sehwag. Lucy for Jadeja. He has clicked at last. bOWlers bowled accurately instead of spraying balls wide off the stump. Continue on,T3eam India!

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 15, 2013, 23:48 GMT)

@JG2704: One more thing my dear. The match bulletin for last match was by one David Hopps. The 1st version of it that was published on the site clearly showed how the author was unable to hide his glee and kept the cloak of unbiased writing aside while making that report. It was clear to anyone that the author was needlessly saying some things he should not have said. For eg. inter alia David Hopps said GG was shameless in the way he scored his runs. When I and some others pointed this out cricinfo updated the entire article to make it more neutral and palatable. You may catch the 1st version using wayback web archive tool though I am not sure it would have been able to cache it cos it was gone so soon.

So there you have it. You got Current Eng players, Ex Eng players, Some Eng fans & now even Eng Analysts - all of whom deride Ind, mostly needlessly and in most uncharitable terms. Yet it is a comment of mine, a comment that any neutral author would've made, that irked u the most???

Posted by BowlersWinMatches on (January 15, 2013, 23:45 GMT)

Bhuvaneshwar kumar seems to be a real find. He seems to be a faster version of pravin kumar. we need to find couple more and than groom them. I d say pankaj singh could be a good addition too. we need to have a pool of 10 pacers with a mixture of swing and seam bowlers. That starts with dropping ishant sharma from the next match .

Posted by jb633 on (January 15, 2013, 23:42 GMT)

Well played to India it must be said. I think the pivotol moments in the game were the last ten overs of Ind innings and then the spell of Kumar at the top. The introduction of Kumar to the fold seems to have added a whole new dimension to the Indian attack and I would go as far to say that he is comfortably their best bowler, seam or spin. We (England are left with many questions). The biggest concern for me is the make up of this side. I know we are resting a lot of guys but the make up of the batting line up looks woeful. The top 3 I have no issue with. Then we come to the middle order. Obviously we want to use Morgan as the finsher, Bevan Like, and realistically we don't want him coming in against the moving ball. Patel looks a decent player of spin and he seems to be the only other competent player in that middle lower order. For me Kieswetter has got to go. His keeping is not up to scratch and the guy can only play fast bowling that is wide of off stick.

Posted by jb633 on (January 15, 2013, 23:36 GMT)

Well played to India it must be said. I think the pivotol moments in the game were the last ten overs of Ind innings and then the spell of Kumar at the top. The introduction of Kumar to the fold seems to have added a whole new dimension to the Indian attack and I would go as far to say that he is comfortably their best bowler, seam or spin.

Posted by Number_5 on (January 15, 2013, 23:36 GMT)

Watched most of this game whilst switching channels between the Big Bash down under.2 Very different games but found this one more enjoyable. Eng looked to be in control with the ball but a masterful performance from Dhoni really did swing the game. A fantastic knock. Eng needed to get off to a good start chasing that many in those conditions and once Cook and KP were out, the game played out as you would expect. Looking fwd to the Aussie tour late next month, not convinced the Aussies are travelling real well and cant wait for some great cricket. After the poor showing down under last summer im sure the Indians will be out to show they can play. Very surprised DRS still not being used in India. Dhonis great knock swung the game and the decision to give him not out certainly went some way to deciding the result. DRS is best used for howlers, balls that pitch outside leg or too high in lbws or caught behinds like this one. I will be very disappointed if we dont see it for the Aus tour

Posted by Hoyle27693 on (January 15, 2013, 23:26 GMT)

@brusselslion - Lets not stereotype all Indian cricket fans just based on a few posts. I know how partial Aussie and English fans are. So lets not go there. As far as Australia is concerned, India will have to play well against them even if we are playing at home. But Australia is just a shade of their Waugh/Gilchrist/Ponting/McGrath/Warne days. And so is India after losing some key players. It would be interesting to see how our new seam bowlers do against the Aussies. But since we are playing at home, we can certainly beat them. So keep your prayers for Australia, mate - its possible that you'll need the prayers very badly. As far as I am concerned, I'll always support India even though I am sure Australia will put up a good show.

Posted by Al_Bundy1 on (January 15, 2013, 23:20 GMT)

@Harmony111 is a typical jingoistic desi fanboy. If you lose, there's no harm in admitting defeat, just as there's no point in gloating when you win. I also want India to win, but I want them to win fair and square - without tampering the pitch, or doing umpire shopping, etc. And we can win - BCCI has more resources (money and people) than rest of the cricket boards combined. Still we have been losing for last 2 years because of incompetence on part of BCCI, the Selection committee, and our star culture where fanboys care more about their stars than their team.

Posted by Chris_P on (January 15, 2013, 23:20 GMT)

@ JG2704 Good points, but really, is anyone really interested in these type of games any more? I guess for grooming players for WC 2015, but anything else, it is really a money making opportunity, but that's me & ODII & T20. Apart from World Cups, I don't really rate them highly. BTW, I think Hales would be a good prospect for the 50 over format, especially in the late middle order when the runs at the end are required, very impressed with him, and a very good fielder to boot.

Posted by Chris_P on (January 15, 2013, 23:14 GMT)

@harmony111. Pot meet kettle. Mate, you are one of the first to bag the other side when India wins & never once, not once do you ever offer a gracious remark to the victors. It is either poorly played India or pathetic England, Australia, Sri Lanka etc and praise the invincible Indian side as they are ready to take over #1 mantle. Not once in the recent test series did you offer a gracious word to the Poms, and you ask why people are responding to you this way?.

Posted by DeathKnell on (January 15, 2013, 23:05 GMT)

@Harmony111 - talking abt the "reign" I just cant stop writing this.. if there is anything (after Hitler's III reich) that keeps you amused (often giggling to yourself), then it is this Eng's Reign story...eng fans excuse..but too much was made out of that #1 ranking...am sure some sane eng fans would agree to that..it was 5 min clipping shown on all channels for quite some time..

Posted by bMike on (January 15, 2013, 23:00 GMT)

Worth reading this again --> India's Nos. 5, 6 and 7 all scored half-centuries, the first such instance for India. So it's obvious that this is a coincidence. Oh boy winning a match by chance giving them this much joy... incredible.. I can't even imagine how it would be if they actually have talents to win matches... lol

Posted by Shan156 on (January 15, 2013, 22:53 GMT)

@JG2704, I remember you did mention that England would not repeat their batting performance and you were spot on with your prediction. But, there are still 3 more ODIs to go. India look like the better team in these conditions but I would be happy if our boys give a good fight. I still believe that we will manage to sneak another win in this series.

Re: your other points, I agree with you but there are some truly unbiased fans like CandidIndian who give due credit to the opposition, don't gloat over their team's victories, and accept defeat with grace. I have decided to restrict my conversations only with them and I request you to consider doing the same.

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 15, 2013, 22:51 GMT)

@ KiwiRocker: Achha if this Eng team is Eng's B or C or D team then what happened to the A Class team of Eng in 2008 and 2011? They lost 0-5 and 0-5. What about it? Eng definitely would've played their best 11 players in the WC 2011 - what happened there? Eng lost to even BD and Ireland. Did Eng not play their best 11 vs Aus in 2010? They lost 1-6 there.

Moreover, it is not Ind's fault if Eng did not send their best players to this series. Ind can only play and win against the team they play. And look at the level Eng is currently where winning a single match is seen as an achievement even if it was a 300+ shoot out.

Anyways, Mister KiwiRocker, time for you to reply to the long standing challenge that you keep running away from time and again. Prove your allegations that dodgy balls were used in WC 2011 and that it somehow helped Ind and 2nd that Sachin used his clout to prevent Ind-Pak cricket in 90s cos he was afraid to face Pak's Wasim and Waqar's pace. Lol, did u not see in WC03?

Posted by DeathKnell on (January 15, 2013, 22:48 GMT)

@KiwiRocker @Alexk400 - enuf said, now go look at the scoreboard and gaze in awe

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 15, 2013, 22:41 GMT)

@KiwiRocker: Time for you to prove your inane claims. On another article you had made weird claims and I had challenged you to prove those. I gave you ample time to do it but you did not/could not do it.

You had claimed that inter alia 1. Ind won the WC 2011 cos dodgy balls were used there. 2. Sachin used his clout in early & mid 90s to prevent Ind-Pak cricket cos he was scared to face the Pak fast bowlers.

On being challenged to prove any of these you stopped replying to save face, in fact you did not make even a feeble attempt to prove your funny claims. You ran from that place and started commenting here so you can't give the excuse of lack of time now.

For ref, here is the place you ran away from: espncricinfo.com/india-v-pakistan-2012/content/story/599853.html

Anyone can go there and see it himself. Clearly, you are not honest and have been caught and exposed making completely vacant claims.

Posted by RednWhiteArmy on (January 15, 2013, 22:34 GMT)

Terrible umpiring influenced the game too much and that is 100% india's fault. Thats why most neutral cricket fans want you to lose badly, cos your stuck in a timewarp & afraid of change. Time to get with the program. Anyway, i suppose india needed this, having not won anything except all the coin tosses since the first test.

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 15, 2013, 22:33 GMT)

@Shan156:

Ah I thought you had sent your LAST reply to me some time back...what happened to it? You cant stay true to your own words? How can I trust you then?

And I see that it rankled you so much when I was slightly wrong in my facts. Agreed, there is no slightly wrong or slightly right in facts but you had to go back to Robin Smith to find it? May be you yourself did not know about his knock and had to look into Statguru to find if my fact was true or not. Anyways, I now see that its been done 3 times. Wow, 3 times in ~600 ODIs. I hope at least now no Egn fan would say anything for a 150+ score of an Ind batsman saying it was easy to do it on flat wickets.

And btw, you read that whole sequence? You had said you did not care much for me...yet you did. You just can't keep yourself away huh?

Posted by oval77 on (January 15, 2013, 22:29 GMT)

This Harmony dude's hilarious!! I think there's a few months of frustration spilling out here... (Best quote: "Saying ill of Dhoni is saying ill of India"....?!)

Posted by DeathKnell on (January 15, 2013, 22:28 GMT)

@JG2704 on (January 15 2013, 21:47 PM GMT) - to be honest, I have never seen such brash comments (may be except Aussie fans) in the past.. I do agree people are people.. but just read through in this column, from first comment, it slowly starts from Eng fans and the topic is well known DRS, fine keep it moving, then there comes one from CarlP on (January 15 2013, 08:53 AM GMT) getting little over board.. so what do u have to say here...so yes, people are people, but it also matters who starts it first....& for that matter if u mistook this topic to be on DRS, then yes we can speak abt that as well, I am sure that more than 90% here who talk on BCCI's stance do not know exactly what flaws DRS have that need to be fixed, as BCCI claims..so it is better that they keep their frustrations to be well rounded rather than taking it on individuals & players..& so on...in the test series, quite a few were against Ind, which costed the series.. and last ODI, Ashwin LBW was outside leg..etc etc

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 15, 2013, 22:25 GMT)

@brusselslion: Ah, the good old tactic of obscuring facts using memory as excuse. Let's see. What's wrong if Ind fans claimed Ind would win the Test series vs Eng in 2011? Eng fans did the same too. Whats wrong if some Ind fans claimed we would win by 1-0 or 2-0 or 4-0? Thats commonly done.

What IS wrong is to deride the rank of a team that it attained duly. NOT ONE Ind fan has ever claimed that Ind @#1 were comparable to WI or Aus of yore. Eng fans routinely made little of Ind's #1 rank and said it was manufactured blah blah. Ind fans took offense to it and retorted back. This was the 1st point of contention. Eng fans said Ind had not won away to be called as #1. Ind fans said they'd won vs Eng itself in 2007.

Ind lost many players in those 4 tests, lost the ODIs & T20 but was hampered by rain. This is a fact. Add to it the jibes of ex Eng players who added fuel to fire.

This my friend is the whole extended starting point.

I'll bury mine if you bury your hatchet. But I know.......

Posted by KiwiRocker- on (January 15, 2013, 22:19 GMT)

Poor chap Harmony111 has gone bonkers with India's win. Now lets get real and see a bigger picture. This is England's second string or even third string bowling attack with no Anderson, Swann and Broad. India's best player Dhoni is given not out by an Indian umpire and England's best batsman Cook gets a rough decision. Umpire Kulkarni is the same umpire who gave Younis Khan out in recent series second ODI when Younis Khan a nick as loud as one that could be heard in Lahore. Indian umpires are and have been pretty bad, but Umpire Kulkarni tops them all. No wonder, no Indian umpire is in elite umpire list. No team can win in such conditions against India. The damage has already been done and horse is bolted! England has already one first ODI and anything more than that will be a bonus. while, India narrowly saved being brown washed against Pakistan. Australia will easily thrash India in all format as Indian batting bar Jadeja failed again! If ICC was fair, India's test staus be reviewed

Posted by Shan156 on (January 15, 2013, 22:14 GMT)

"No Eng batsman has scored 150+ runs in ODIs"

Robin Smith has scored 167*, Andrew Strauss scored 158 against India in the 2011 WC. So much for "facts".

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 15, 2013, 21:57 GMT)

@JG2704: So you got a problem with me describing the result of today's match huh? I don't know how you can call it vulgar if I say Eng's loss by 127 runs was humiliating when it was said that Ind's 9 runs loss was a thrashing. I only used the same style as adopted by some Eng fans. And let's face it, a 9 run loss is by no means a thrashing and a 127 run loss by all means is a humiliating loss esp when the team couldn't even bat 40 overs on a so called flat track.

And if I gloat on factual basis then what's wrong? At least I am not making any predictions that how Ind's reign will last for next 5-8 years (Botham) or that Eng should go back home if they can't play well (Bresnan) or how Indian players field like donkeys (Hussain).

Perhaps you won't believe it but trust me, I made that comment in purely factual & harmless manner. A 3rd person would say just the same if asked to dwell upon.

Gloating has a malignant aspect. I know I didn't have that in mind. Hash_Tag's a guy too nice.

Posted by Munkeymomo on (January 15, 2013, 21:52 GMT)

I see the comments section has descended into handbags again. Brilliant...

On the topic of the game, Woakes looked a little uncomfortable but to be fair, he hasn't had any time to adjust since he has been playing in New Zealand so I feel some sympathy for him. Dernbach on the other hand was not so impressive,it is a shame as he can generate good pace and vary his speed well but he has not taken to int. cricket so well recently.

Big credit to Dhoni, top knock today. I said on facebook, he isn't pretty to watch... but he is damn good in one day cricket. Not sure there are many (any?) better at the end of an innings. Oh, and well done to Jadeja and Kumar too, they were highly impressive.

Posted by brusselslion on (January 15, 2013, 21:50 GMT)

@Harmony111: Things may have changed in 2011 but not for the reasons you suggest. My recall of the events was, prior to the series starting, of Indian posters boasting of their #1 status (fair enough) and stating how England were going to get thrashed 5-0 (asking fro trouble). After each subsequent defeat, Indian posters stated that the pitches were 'green tops', the umpires were biased, etc; anything but facing the simple fact that the Indian team was outplayed. Moreover, despite getting thrashed, India would bounce back and hammer England in the next match. This continues to this day. This grates, mate. England has its share of WUMs but, on the whole, I think that we are a pretty fair minded lot. We offered congratulations to Pakistan & SA when they beat us fairly and squarely. Because of the nature of some Indian posts, most neutrals will side with India's opponents. I'll be supporting the Aussies against India which, as I'm English, should tell you something.

Posted by JG2704 on (January 15, 2013, 21:50 GMT)

@ Cric_info_pak on (January 15 2013, 14:42 PM GMT) - Mate , Don't get so carried away. SA are a superb side with very few weaknesses. As for Pakistan - yes they are a quality side but are as fallible as most sides. Your team gave our team a thrashing in tests in UAE but what happened in the next series in SL? And if we're talking ODI's what was the score in our most recent series against you in the UAE ? Listen I have no probs with Pakistan or their fans in general (who we had a good rapport with by and large) but please tone it down there.

Posted by JG2704 on (January 15, 2013, 21:49 GMT)

@CandidIndian on (January 15 2013, 17:36 PM GMT) Mate , I know you're a genuine fan but the re "well played Eng" (unintentionally I know) could be one of the best sarcastic comms on this thread. Something some of the trolls would love to have said. TBH I feared the worst after the end of the Indian inns when India scored/we shipped so many runs. I went out on a few errands hoping to see an exciting end to a run chase on my return and when I turned my tv on I knew when they were doing the presentations that we'd recd a thrashing. I'd love us to win the series but unfortunately I see 4-1 to your guys from here. All the best

Posted by JG2704 on (January 15, 2013, 21:48 GMT)

@Trickstar on (January 15 2013, 16:57 PM GMT) At least the others don't pretend to be anything they're not

Posted by JG2704 on (January 15, 2013, 21:48 GMT)

@Shan156 on (January 15 2013, 15:20 PM GMT) TBH at least those like Gsingh/Bluewonder/BengalTiger etc don't pretend to be anything they're not. This guy/girl (even on this thread) says he/she just gives it back. TBH , I don't have a problem in anyone giving it back to one of ours who gives it the big one but the post on January 15 2013, 13:46 PM GMT was not in response to anyone - just a pure vulgar gloat. As for the game - I did say in response to you that I felt we'd unlikely repeat the 1st ODI's performance with the bat - because it's what we do - and we probably would repeat a poor bowling performance. I hate to be right on this one.

Posted by JG2704 on (January 15, 2013, 21:47 GMT)

@Perera32 (Jan 15 2013, 10:22 AM ) We've indeed got probs in that dept and we don't try to gloss over that.

@spiritwithin (Jan 15 2013, 13:54) - I make it ther are 7/8 Eng fans (up to your post) and 2 of them aren't even mentioning the decs and one Posted by bridgefort ( , 13:25 PM ) and Nutcutlet (, 13:39 PM ) are doing exactly what you said none of our fans were doing. Read my comms on (January 15 2013, 14:34 PM) oh and read comm. Posted by oval77 on (January 15 2013, 15:43 PM )

@counterstrike1.6 (Jan 15 2013, 17:50 PM) Not saying none of our guys have said anything of ill intent but who exactly was H111 responding to in the post January 15 2013, 13:46 PM GMT?

@DeathKnell (Jan 15 ,16:46 PM) So no Indian fans were giving it the big one before England briefly took over? People are people , some Indian fans have been unashamedly vulgar when they win or England lose and some are graceful in defeat and honest in victory. Same with Eng fans and probably any country's fans

Posted by nyc_missile on (January 15, 2013, 21:46 GMT)

Some saying Dhoni needs to be given the leverage.Well we went to WI,failed to win 2-0 if not 3-0, primarily due to MSD & Fletcher's chickening out of an imminently doable chase in 3rd test.Went to Eng being #1 got white-washed.People blamed fitness,injury issues etc.Dhoni SAVED.We went to Oz ,thrashed 4-0 again..They said,it is due to big guns failed collectively.DHONI saved AGAIN.Instead Amarntah gets fired for speaking up .Eng come to Ind:home pitches,conditions,crowd supp-thrashed 2-1--home series loss after 8 yrs..This time they said curators didn't oblige MSD & our spinners were <Eng's.DHONI saved AGAIN.We lose to Pak after 7 yrs.Batting rightly blamed,but DHONI saved yet again.And they want us to have 'patience' with him..?!? Every body else cant be wrong all the time,what about this man-->DHONI = bunch of excuses

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on (January 15, 2013, 21:45 GMT)

Gosh, Harmony111, we all have the freedom to speak our mind. But, unfortunately, speaking our mind is now akin to ranting or whining. So, what's the point in speaking out? Meaning, if I speak against Dhoni or xyz, you, instead of calling my speaking as my opinion, would brand it as ranting, whining and all of that. Why would people want to give their opinion when ranting or whining is what it's going to be branded as? We all must know that opinions are like those glory holes in our body. All of us have them and those glory holes are useful; serve a purpose. I can't possibly use your glory holes for my purposes. I don't know if you are getting the drift here.

Posted by Jaffa79 on (January 15, 2013, 21:42 GMT)

Oh my god! Harmony bloke! Settle it down! You need to breathe and to count to 1000 or something. Wow. Superb ranting though...very humourous reading! Maggie Thatcher, Winston Churchill, Gazza, Prince Charles, Gary Linekar...are you listening Gary Linekar...your boys took one heeeeell of a beating!

Posted by DeathKnell on (January 15, 2013, 21:36 GMT)

@pommy80 - here goes one.. if all what you said in the first couple of lines are true then Eng fans shud not even creep out of the rocks forget about crawling, cos you guys never won (or dominated) anything that is meaningful in the entire history of the game...

Posted by nyc_missile on (January 15, 2013, 21:34 GMT)

@Dhanno Totally agree with your views on Rahane.Poor guy fails in one game and axe is out for him..guess he isn't too flashy and that's why he gets more flak as opposed to a 'charismatic' Sehwag who failed miserably for the last 3 years.Time for Gambhir to go as ODI opener,Dhawan,Jeevanjot or even Unmukt could be tried.

As for MSD,yes it is clear to everyone except his blind fans that every-time the going is tough,he hides behind and lets the others to their devices.And comes out swinging when the ball is old and pitch, eased considerably.Notable exception is WC final and justifiably he gets all the credit for it even if disproportionate.Since Viru,Sachin have retired and Yuvraj is patchy,as the senior most batsman AND a captain,he has to take more responsibility..

Posted by JG2704 on (January 15, 2013, 21:32 GMT)

@Harmony111 on (January 15 2013, 15:15 PM GMT) Rubbish. You are doing exactly the thing you always proclaim to be innocent of. Gloating. Yes they are facts but one can still gloat about something factual. And yes it is gloating. Your whole post reeks more of England losing above praising your own side's efforts IE "Eng must be ashamed of today's loss. It is every bit as humiliating as it can get - quite close to their 80 a.o. in WT20 vs Ind." Pretty vulgar comms. BTW Hash_Tag's home truths have really got to you haven't thay?

Posted by sams235 on (January 15, 2013, 21:28 GMT)

All of you 'fans' of both the sides - stop bickering like little kids and grow up.

As an Indian supporter I applaud the fighback. The series is far from over, so all of you calm down.

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 15, 2013, 21:23 GMT)

@Shan156: Ref: ... "You don't see some of these so-called fans like DeathKnell and Harmony111 when India loses but you see them everywhere when India wins...."

Is that so? Are you sure? Just check the comment section of the 1st ODI to see whether I was there or not. In fact you can check nearly any reasonably interesting article on cricinfo to see whether I've commented there or not. Heck, you will find my comments on the SA-NZ & Aus-SL articles too. So there goes one more thread of your reasoning.

Anyways, can you pls point out what you find discourteous & repulsive in my comments? I usually reply to nasty & uninformed comments of some Eng fans. My 1st hand comments are based on facts. Pls check 1 such comment to which JG2704 replied saying I was gloating. So what irks you? My supposedly nasty replies to the nasty comments of Eng fans or me talking on facts? If former then can't I deal with nasty ppl in their lingo? If latter then facts are facts.

And You don't know whats a Troll.

Posted by pommy80 on (January 15, 2013, 21:10 GMT)

So all the Indian fans come crawling out after 1 win, thinking they have one the world cup again, where were you when you were beaten convincingly in the test series. Anyway, credit to Dhoni and Jadeja, when you concede 106 runs in the last 10 over you don't deserve to win. Still can't see why Dernbach continues to get a game for England.

Posted by Alexk400 on (January 15, 2013, 20:53 GMT)

It is pity england coming with innocous bowlers like woakes and dernbach both are super slow in flat pitches in india. Not sure england gona win another if both of them play again. Result do not gona change. All will be flat pitches. Their career will end here. It is better they increase their fitness and speed. Especially dernbach relax too much between balls. He bowl 2 good ball 4 bad ball because he rests. He bowl straight to left hand batsman often to my disliking. Dhoni is a super slogger. If he bowl slow he will kill it. Thats his bread and butter. I think giles is a bad coach because you do not bowl to opposition stength. Awful strategy by england. Dhoni is not at that great. England made him great by bad bowling. Dhoni will fall fast ball 1 feet from off stump and chest height again and again. His bat speed is tremenodous close to his body as he mastered his helicopter shot. It won't work outside off fast. I did not see one bouncer in that game. what happened?.Pathetic bowling

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 15, 2013, 20:52 GMT)

Talking of the Eng fans, I used to think they are the only truly unbiased fans of the world. I still remember WC 1999 when Ind won a Super 6 match vs Eng when Thorpe was wrongly given lbw to Srinath by Javed Akhtar. I remember how Boycott talked about it but did not make any issue of it and gave the credit to Ind for winning the match. I remember how most Eng commentators were so sporting when Ind won the Natwest Fional in 2002 in a dramatic way. In return, I really cheered for Eng in Ashes 2005. In fact I'd cheered for Eng in 90s too. I remember Gough's Hat Trick and his celebration after winning a test in Aus in 1998. I egged for Eng in Ashes 2009 too and was surprised at the way Trott handed his debut. I was traveling at the time of Ashes 2010 1st test and felt bad at Siddle's hat trick.

Things changed in 2011 when Eng fans spoke with contempt for Ind's #1 Test rank inter alia. From then its gone worst from worse. Now, they cry I foul when I call their foul. Funny nah?

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 15, 2013, 20:33 GMT)

5/5 INDIA is OUR team, defend it all you can. Don't let other fans attack your team and at least pls don't do it yourself. Saying ill of Dhoni is saying ill of India. Criticism is fine so long as it is genuine and honest. I am not saying Dhoni is transcendental and untouchable but pls base your criticism on facts, don't go on rants against him. If anything, this man needs a soft cushion of our support cos he got too much load. He captains 4 teams and all of them are heavy duty jobs. I'd actually relieve him of 1 or 2 of these else he could god forbid, break down. Being captain is tough enough, to captain a struggling team is tougher. Why make it even tougher for him by needlessly needling him? Imagine ppl pulling ur legs unfairly in ur office and multiply it by 500 times to imagine the pressure on him.

We should learn to respect our Champions. Dhoni is a champion. He is not Alexander or Genghis Khan but he doesn't have the army for that. In fact he has subedars like Prabir Mukherjee.

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 15, 2013, 20:33 GMT)

4/5 We did it with Sachin in the past and now we are doing it with Dhoni. The moment we have someone who is special we want him to fulfill all OUR dreams. We wanted Sachin to do all sort of things in his life AND that legend did pretty all that one could dream of. The only thing he doesn't have is a 300 - that's all. Other than that he's done it all. But talking of 300, some ppl say scoring 100s doesn't count and then the same ppl say Sachin hasn't scored a 300 - wow.

As for Dhoni, this great man is needlessly being derided now. Some ppl who are too parochial needlessly talk him down. If Dhoni was insecure about his captaincy would he'v given Kohli & GG the best chance to score runs in ODIs or would he'v come up to score them himself? Dhoni can easily drop GG or Kohli right now to curtail the challenge but I bet he won't.

It is some Ind fans who are talking ill of their own great captain. Dhoni is OUR captain. Learn this from Eng fans who stand united with their team.

CONTD …

Posted by Dhanno on (January 15, 2013, 20:32 GMT)

Are we already calling for Rahane's head ? I dont usually comment on school-level cricket tournaments but I have been trying to follow this series because of Rahane's inclusion (add to it some new bowlers, who sadly would be injured in 3 months time but more on that later). Coming back to Rahane, do you know how many games Rohit Sharma has played? 86 ODIS in 5 years, avg of 30 and nothing of note against Pak/Eng/Aus/ SA. Why cant we give Rahane 10-15 games in succession without this scrutiny. What good have been Gambhir/ Sehwag/ SRT (one who retired!) for last 2 years? And @nyc_missile, I agree with one point - Dhoni has time and again come out at #3 if its belter of pitch and we are on way to score 380. But when going gets tough, Dhoni gets hiding. But how one could ask for inclusion of RG Sharma is beyond me. Well maybe check pak ODIs scorecard! Also I agree with people here, no point asking Pujara open which isnt his position, maybe get in Dhawan/ Mukund and kick Gambhir.

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 15, 2013, 20:32 GMT)

3/5 Some ppl here accuse Dhoni of giving too much leeway to his CSK fellows. Show me who are they. Doesn't Raina deserve a place on his own merit? Wasn't Ashwin our lead spinner till a few months back? Wasn't Dhoni criticized for playing Chawla in Ashwin's place in initial rounds of WC 2011? As for Jadeja, I've said in past that he plays a very crucial role. He conjuncts our batting with our bowling. Dhoni's 1st choice is Irfan but he's injured and we got no other option so Jadeja plays. As for his CSK nepotism, Ishant played today - is he from CSK? He gave so much time to Rohit who's not from CSK.

FINAL PROOF OF DHONI's impartiality: Dhoni's blood brother had to get in line for Ranchi ODIs Tickets. Dhoni did not try for free passes for his own brother at his hometown. This is AMPLE proof of Dhoni's integrity.

Dhoni is a once in a life time player. We all should be in his awe. He is a great leader too. He is not flawless but who is? He can't be Alexander with a poor Army, can he?

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 15, 2013, 20:31 GMT)

2/5 On the other hand, Ind have won the WC twice - both home & away. In fact RIGHT IN ENG's FACE. Ind've also won the World Series in 1985 and the ICC Champions Trophy in 2002. Ind've won the WT20 & have been #1 in ODIs as well as in Tests. Dhoni has led India in 4 of these. Show me 1 other captain who's done anything like this. Except Ponting in recent times you won't find anyone else, can you? Eng, of all teams are not even close to Ind in these respects. Thus, I find it shocking when some Ind fans criticize Dhoni - mostly on questionable grounds. Why do you question his integrity? Come on. The only thing I'd criticize Dhoni for is his Test Captaincy - or rather his Test batting. I don't think he should get a place in Tests cos his batting is poor. Other than that, I don't have a reason to pull him down. NONE.

Check his record: He's 1 of the best in the world and arguably 1 of the greatest players of ODIs. To spin it, the ONLY player to hit a 6 of the last ball of match to win a WC

Posted by MyOpinion4u on (January 15, 2013, 20:31 GMT)

You know why Jadeja got MoM, because he was playing in team India. With same performance if he would have been in the opposition (winning side as well), Dhoni would have been selected as MoM, because of his 'brilliant innings' and of course 'CAPTAINCY'.

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 15, 2013, 20:30 GMT)

1/5 One thing some Ind fans have to learn from Eng fans is that sometimes you need to be thick skinned, a bit shameless and forward looking. Some Ind fans need to put their locus of control externally. Look at Eng. They have been abysmal in the premier tournament of ODIs - the WC. Even in the Champions Trophy they've been poor. For 19 yrs they did not even have the Ashes - the 1 trophy that defines them and perhaps is the raison detre of their entire cricket. Even prior to it they've been usually very poor at Ashes. They talk so much of their passion for Tests, the only proper form of cricket for them but how long were they #1 even there? < 12 months. Eng are a team that lost to even Ireland & BD at WC, imagine. No Eng batsman has scored 150+ runs in ODIs, no Eng batsman has scored 10k runs in either ODIs or Tests. No Eng bowler has 400+ wickets. They import players on some remote relationships & yet are ordinary but look at their demeanor; they talk as if they own it all.

CONTD ...

Posted by nyc_missile on (January 15, 2013, 20:28 GMT)

This @cricketsunami probably thinks I am an English fan..ROFL Cook can take a hike for all I care..but Dhoni still has to step down from captaincy and just stay as a pure batsman..

Posted by MEHATELK on (January 15, 2013, 20:25 GMT)

luckily gambir didn`t score, and unfortunately R.jadeja scored and got two wickets. now they have to persist jadeja.so chances of winning this ODI series is in doubt.

Posted by mzm149 on (January 15, 2013, 20:15 GMT)

@counterstrike1.6 You have very short memory. Pakistan won the ODI series against India. You just remember the last ODI.

Posted by   on (January 15, 2013, 20:07 GMT)

Bring Shewag in for Ghambir. We need a batsman like his caliber in the opening slot. Pujara can be given the place cause of Ashwin. He can occupy the place in team if Ashwin can be considered as allrounder like Shoaib Malik. Tiwari has very good temperament. Ishanth should not be in the team. That place must be for the hard hitting fast / medium bowling allrounder as Irfan.

My Team India for 4th ODI in order: Shewag, Rahane, Kholi, Yuvaraj, Ashwin / Pujara / Tiwari, Raina, Dhoni, Jadeja, Irfan, Kumar, Shami / Parvez

Posted by BDforever on (January 15, 2013, 20:00 GMT)

I can't understand the overjoy of my Indian mates. After losing every single series in last two years now they behave like they won everything even though they actually won just a single ODI

Posted by wake_up_india on (January 15, 2013, 19:57 GMT)

Good show from India. Hope they can repeat it. The series will go to the more consistent side. Consistency has been India's nemesis in the past and the strengths of sides like Australia and the West Indies (when they were on top).

Posted by MyOpinion4u on (January 15, 2013, 19:46 GMT)

I do not know how Indian fans manage to forget humiliation they just got from Pakistan few days back. They lost 1st ODI and only leveled the series now and they are talking like they have won the complete series. Relax dude, there are still 3 matches to come.

Posted by Shan156 on (January 15, 2013, 19:42 GMT)

@BOND_OO7, I wouldn't be too critical of the umpiring. When it is so noisylike it was out there, it is easy to miss the faint edges. Umpires are human too. Bad decisions even themselves out over the course of a series.

@cricketsunami, I think Cook is absolutely right. Dhoni is a very difficult batsman to bowl to in these conditions. His records speak for themselves. Whatever his shortcomings in tests are, he has been a class act in ODIs. Unfortunately, we have been at the receiving end so many times. But, the biggest star of today's game has to be Ravindra Jadeja. That was a truly all-round performance. Well played the lad. This is not the first time he has hurt us. Hopefully, England find a way to play him better.

Posted by Porky_PigTheToon on (January 15, 2013, 19:37 GMT)

@ Solid_Snake - Ind thrashed Pak in last ODI might have been the old news but some of the Pak fans have not stopped yet. Even in this forum that is related to India and Eng, some ppl from ur side have posted offensive things abt Team Ind.

Posted by Temuzin on (January 15, 2013, 19:29 GMT)

India has lost first ODI because of Ishant and his 86 runs in 10 over. Just imagine if would have given 10-15 runs less than 86 India would still have won. He tried his best in this match too to lose the match but could bowl only 4 overs. Please drop him as soon as possible.

Posted by Temuzin on (January 15, 2013, 19:23 GMT)

Posted by nyc_missile on (January 15 2013, 18:20 PM GMT) As expected,blind Dhoni cheer-leaders hailing him again as the captain cool LOL this is really funny. Yeah thats really blind faith of blind Dhoni fans. And what happened to this Captain Cook guy? He is terming him the BEST IN THE WORLD. Cricket is going in the wrong direction. Dhoni is a Best captain, Best finisher, But Best Batsman in the World? ughh

But what do I know. Captain Ciook is a captain of number one team he may be knowing better.

Posted by BOND_OO7 on (January 15, 2013, 19:19 GMT)

i have never seen umpiring as awful and ugly as today's match. outside edge was given as wide,leg before appeal was given out in a bowl that pitched outside of leg stump,even umpires lost counting of numbers of bowl bowled twice.cant get worse than it

Posted by Temuzin on (January 15, 2013, 19:16 GMT)

I think Pujara will replace Gambhir. Gambhir is being given long rope for his past but he is past expiry date and will eventually go out. Gambhir is a poor fielder too and Pujara can be always better than gambhir. Drop him and Ishant Sharma.

Posted by MortalStar3 on (January 15, 2013, 19:02 GMT)

@Rahulbose - Are you serious or just completely inept?? Right, so the English team with a stellar record of 16/20 ODI losses in India, is going to send in their "reserves" because their first string team would have trounced India.. First rate teams (like Eng and India both) don't send out their "reserves" out of preference.. its called "Injuries".. please familiarize yourself with this concept. Look at the Indian bowling unit for that matter - their top seamers are all injured - Yadav, Irfan Pathan, Z Khan.. every team has to deal with that. So no, I don't think India need to rejoice a victory against England's reserves.. in fact, I believe India's actual "reserves" beat the English side both times in the warm up matches.. how's that for rejoicing a victory?

Posted by samincolumbia on (January 15, 2013, 19:02 GMT)

Good to see India's 'lead' bowler getting clobbered again with zero wickets!! Poor Dinda has to sit out so this useless player can play (can't bowl, can't bat, can't field).

Posted by Solid_Snake on (January 15, 2013, 18:58 GMT)

@counterstrike1.6 ->Why are you bringing in Pakistan here? Don't get carried away..Celebrate with some manners.. Pakistan came,thrashed & took the trophy away..That's an old news now..Concentrate on the ongoing series

Posted by Nampally on (January 15, 2013, 18:57 GMT)

Congratulation to India & MSD on a great Win!. It was fortunate that Dhoni & Jadeja had a late revival of the batting. It was good to see Jadeja hitting 61 in 37 balls which really put India in commanding position. B.Kumar's bowling was impressive which turned the tide in India's favour. I was surprised at the inclusion of Ishant Sharma after his horrible bowling in ODI #1. I expected Pujara to replace him - i.e., India going in with 2 Seamers Kumar & Shami. Ishant dd not disappoint Dhoni be leaking out 28 runs in 4 overs!. Dhoni has his own rationale for excluding Pujara. Perhaps he is genuinely afraid of pujara, as a threat to his captaincy at least in Tests. It does make a mockery of his weird selection - where arguably the best Indian batsman does not make it to XI. Pujara should ask for being excused from the squad & play in Ranji matches instead. It is shameful that such a talented batsman is benched so disdainfully by Dhoni as he did to many other youngsters before him!.

Posted by Temuzin on (January 15, 2013, 18:54 GMT)

Cricket update:

Dhoni 'best in world' - Cook Thats how England captain has described Dhoni- Best in the world (cricinfo news).

Is some one missing rohit sharma of umpteenth chances? Some one has rightly termed him NOHIT Sharma.

Ashwin needs to tighten his bowling and Dhoni should get rid of Ishant Sharma bring in Sreesanth.

Posted by TM on (January 15, 2013, 18:45 GMT)

Dhoni needs to promote himself to 4 i know hes a good finisher but seiously if he stayed in for more overs hed score way more runs for the team and Pujara in for gambhir

Posted by voyrison on (January 15, 2013, 18:41 GMT)

What happened to the England team that just beat India in the tests? Why have half of them disappeared?

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 15, 2013, 18:39 GMT)

@DeathKnell: Very well said bro. You comment rarely here but when you do you leave them speechless with the gems. Mitch1066 said the Eng players did not start it and talked of respect but I'd like to see what he has to say for the utterings of his team's players (& not just the Eng fans). I can not recall ANY INDIAN COMMENTATOR ever saying anything remotely close to what they said.

@Mitch1066: After losing 5-0 and 5-0 surely you will find anything to be an improvement.

@Trickstar: I did not use the word troll here. And funny of you to make an artificial distinction between SERIOUS ENG FANS & ENG TROLLS. If at all then let me say that hardly any Ind fan is as vitriolic & flaming as most Eng fans, just check Silverbails here. Ind fans tend to be reactive. You say anything and they will defend. Some do it crudely & some do it so well that it leaves Eng fans red faced who then cry for honour & respect.

Why do Eng fans start something when they can't handle the consequences?

Posted by hhillbumper on (January 15, 2013, 18:30 GMT)

India were the better team today.But you do have to ask why Dernbach?

Posted by Raginggbull on (January 15, 2013, 18:26 GMT)

I believe Rahane had a bad day. Dhoni showing his master class in ODI. You can bet no team in the world is without worrying on him. His skills in consolidating,firing at will, playing second fiddle and keeping the bowlers at bay is exponentially progressing. Much relived India with this win. I will not say India got all the momemtum to win this series. But this will give a good head-start.

Waiting to see Dhoni playing his 1st ODI in his second home(1st home, you know, am CSK fan) and scoring a match winning century.

Posted by Rahulbose on (January 15, 2013, 18:23 GMT)

This was a big win but not against the first choice Eng side. With so much swing on offer Anderson would have made a huge difference. India can rejoice a victory but they know in their hearts Eng insulted them by sending out the reserves.

Posted by DeathKnell on (January 15, 2013, 18:22 GMT)

@counterstrike1.6 - there are quite a few SL fans here, some play good samaritans, some play bully.. but all try to check Ind, while their own backyard is a total mess.... but thats the world today..I doubt if anyone wants to talk cricket here.. read my prev comments, right from commentators to experts to players to fans.. all pounce on the opponents when they are down...

Posted by Shan156 on (January 15, 2013, 18:21 GMT)

@CandidIndian, you are welcome mate. Before the series started, and even after the Rajkot win, most sensible England fans believed that India were strong favorites to win the series. And, they proved it today with a resounding win. So, I am surprised that you think that England have an edge. KP and Cook are world class batsmen but our bowling is really weak. Before the series, I posted a message that B Kumar is a really good find for India. I saw him in the Pakistan series and he looked really good. He was a tad poor in the 1st ODI but bowled brilliantly today. I was happy that Eng. managed to avert the whitewash in the first game and am still hopeful that they would sneak another win but India remain strong favorites to win the series.

I can't understand some of the messages here - why should we feel ashamed of this defeat? It is a sport, after all. Were Indian fans ashamed when they lost by a whopping inn. and 242 runs margin in Edgbaston last year? Disappointed? yes. Ashamed? no.

Posted by nyc_missile on (January 15, 2013, 18:20 GMT)

As expected,blind Dhoni cheer-leaders hailing him again as the captain cool LOL this is really funny.After a series of shameful defeats,a consolation win against Pak & a win here after winning toss.Here we are with Hail Dhoni comments.

Do they understand that this game was purely won on good bowling on a friendly pitch..How on earth has captaincy played a role in this ?? This win cannot brush aside the atrocious selections he's done.

Why are Rohit and Pujara not picked when in the squad? Why is Ishant playing after a pathetic performance in 1st match? Why is Dinda sitting out? Why not play all 3 new comers..Bhuvi,Dinda & Shami? Dhoni worshipers wont answer these questions because all they know is gloat in a rare win..

Posted by Prakmca on (January 15, 2013, 18:16 GMT)

It's one OFF game. Let Jadeja perform consistetly. What happed after his 50 and 5 wickets in his first IPL??? Just think about that.

Last match he batted miserably, not able to connect the ball with the bat. Otherwsie we could have won that match also.

My only worry is after this one peformance he will continue to play for another 20-30 matches without performing.

Posted by nyc_missile on (January 15, 2013, 18:09 GMT)

So Dhoni got his wish.Persist with CSK players for so long that they will score once in a blue-moon..nice..no issues.But why not with non-CSK players as well.Tiwary,Rahane(till recently),Irfan etc..is it because they're more talented than his favorite bunch..insecurity? Even in a win,I want to highlight his utter stupidity in NOT coming earlier than 7 and letting youngsters take the heat when ball was moving around.All well when the ball is soft and old to smash it around but its another thing to take up the challenge and cover for players not in form.That's a real captain's trait.

Posted by Temuzin on (January 15, 2013, 18:07 GMT)

What are things a few fortune tellers are saying now. 1. Dhoni should step down captaincy to stop losing touch as a power batsman. lol... 2. This one win is nothing they will lose against Australia. 3. Dhoni is worst captain and a defensive one. 4. Team India did not win this match due to Dhoni's captaincy, its all round performance of the team.

(Really, performance like gambhir or Ishant or rahane?

Any way Dhoni bashers are finding it hard to lay blame at his doorsteps, priceless.

Posted by CandidIndian on (January 15, 2013, 18:05 GMT)

Harmony111-Pujara might fail if he comes in place of Gambhir but at-least he has a technique to survive on sporting tracks so he can improve.Gambhir with his current poor technique wont survive two overs if he opens in SA,NZ and Eng next year.In last two years whenever pitch had something in it for bowlers he always got out very soon.If Sehwag and Zak can be dropped why not Gambhir, what has he done to deserve a place in the team?

Posted by Shan156 on (January 15, 2013, 18:05 GMT)

@Trickstar, this is not something new. You don't see some of these so-called fans like DeathKnell and Harmony111 when India loses but you see them everywhere when India wins. Let them enjoy their day. We need to find some good bowlers soon. For starters, Dernbach should go. He has no business with the squad leave alone the XI. Woakes will learn. Perhaps bring Meaker and Briggs for the next game.

@Harmony111, you were saying some of us "run away" from you because we lack the ability to counter you. Have you ever pondered that it may not be the lack of this ability but rather your discourteous behavior that people find repulsive and hence choose not to reply to you? Trolls are on both sides and you are the biggest troll on your side. Your messages are mostly drivel, driven by hatred. This would be my last message to you. Oh, I know very well you would not care alright but same here.

Posted by reghuh on (January 15, 2013, 18:03 GMT)

First thing to do is to drop Ishant Sharma.He is consistantly unable to produce even one single full length bal, leave aside yorkersl.Im unsure whether he will be able to even get a county XI batsman out in the current form (which he is in for last 1 year or more).In addition, he is leaking runs like anything(70+ in last ODI).Instead of Ishant, even Dhoni can bowl if it means to fill the overs or maybe someone like Irfan Pathan would be handy.Anyway Ishants overs are all being clobbered and seldom a major wicket is claimed by Ishant in recent performances. Gambhir should be rested till he gets back to form - similarly Rohit Sharma....maybe some chance can be given to Pujara/Murali Vijay/Dhawan Varun Aaron/S.Sreeshant/Umesh Yadav are anytime better choices than someone like Ishant who seldom takes wickets other than that of tailenders... Dhoni proves his critics that he is all time best captain/player that india has ever witnessed...one in the class of Dada

Posted by Optic on (January 15, 2013, 18:01 GMT)

@DeathKnell Behave, this forum didn't turn into what it is like now until India became No1 in test and the Indian public came on here in mass to ram it down everyone's throat's for the next year and again after the WC we saw it again, that's what started all this tit for tat, every fan seems to think it's open season every time they win a game but because of you're population that seems to be 100 times more of you lot. You can preach to other fans when you have you're own house in order because from what I can see there are more England fans that are happy to congratulate India than the other way round each time.

Posted by Al_Bundy1 on (January 15, 2013, 18:01 GMT)

100% agree with @crindex - Dhoni proved he is the someone who India cannot do without in ODIs. He is certainly the best ODI captain there is. Kholi, Ishant and Ashwin are still in playing XI is a question only the captain and Selectors can explain. This is the problem with Indian selection strategy - stick with the old and some day they will perform!! What about giving chances to deserving youngsters like Pujara, Ishwar Pandey, Nadeem, etc?? Why should Ishant and Ashwin get chances on top chances while we have better options available???

Posted by Anandsadvice on (January 15, 2013, 18:00 GMT)

Finally India have made it on the winning side. Now it is up to the young boys to take up responsibility and maintain the winning streak and not lose it again and disappoint us. Dhoni is a great caption no doubt but I feel he is not being brave like before and come up the order (like in the world cup final). And give lads like Raina, Pujara and Rohit a chance to handle the lower order batting. I think if Dhoni did that during the Pak series we would not lose so many wickets at the top order as Dhoni I must say has become an expert in one day cricket to handle pressure situations.

Dhoni its time to wake up and come up the order and be more pro-active in your captaincy. England will try to come back in the next game for sure we need to maintain the same intensity like today to go 2-1 up the series.

Good Luck India

Posted by Albert_cambell on (January 15, 2013, 17:57 GMT)

@Harmony111 on (January 15 2013, 15:34 PM GMT). Dont make us laugh here mate. Viru & Zak both played in the test series they dint make any impact against ENG. They were dropped due to their poor form. Umesh and Varun both havent proved themselves in international level and they are just average bowlers. Same goes with sreesanth. You can check their stats. No bowler can be a good bowler,if they average more than 35 in ODIs. If you bring that as an excuse, then we can also bring broad, panesar, bairstow, hales, bresnan, meaker and further to that we also missing trott,swan and anderson....lol

Posted by Porky_PigTheToon on (January 15, 2013, 17:50 GMT)

@ yorkslanka

Are you new here ? or Did you deliberately not notice irritating comments by some of Eng fans ?

It is just that 'Harmony111' has been giving befitting replies to those very Cricket Experts.

Posted by Temuzin on (January 15, 2013, 17:49 GMT)

Its great to see Dhoni leading from the front and exceptional use of a limited bowling resource. Kudos to him. He is the best captain in the world in ODIs. Bhuvneshwar kumar is a find of last year and he is progressing very well. Shami ahmed and Pankaj singh should be able to provide him able support. Bring in Sreesanth to add some masala. Umesh yadav and Varun (if fit) will make a reasonable fast bowling attack.

Dhawan and unmukt Chand should be brought in and drop Gambhir, Ishant sharma, rohit Sharma, Dhinda.

Posted by Jaffa79 on (January 15, 2013, 17:42 GMT)

Well played India. Thoroughly outplayed England today! When Dhoni is firing there are few to match him. It is obvious that England's middle order need to work harder at working the spinners about.

Posted by LovedFansofIndianCricket on (January 15, 2013, 17:40 GMT)

lol. Someone pak fan told that Pak is better side than India and England. England crushed Pak in ODI recently after loosing test series. Pak has good bowling unit. With Ajmal, Gul, Irfan and others. But their bating is so week link. Only top 3 will deliver. See it in SA series. They had very good bowling unit.

Posted by CandidIndian on (January 15, 2013, 17:36 GMT)

Congrats India,well played Eng,series is wide open now.@JG2704@Shan156 and other Eng fans ,thanks guys for the humble appreciation.Comforting win for India in this horrible phase,however i am still firm on my opinion that Gambhir is a sitting duck on any sporting track.If he goes to SA,NZ and Eng as an opener next year then it will be a self goal by India.Great to see Kumar doing well though,it will be great for his confidence to take wickets of high quality batsman like Cook and Pieterson.Credit to Dhoni,Jadeja and Raina too.Horrible umpiring in this match though.DRS might not be 100 percent correct but will surely eliminate extremely poor decisions ,however third umpire should be a neutral one too not from the host country.As for England they will be hugely disappointed with this loss,they are no 1 ODI side and had the momentum,anyways winning and losing is part of the game.Overall i still believe Eng have an edge in the series as they have Cook and Pieterson in their top order.

Posted by crindex on (January 15, 2013, 17:31 GMT)

Dhoni proved he is the someone who India cannot do without in ODIs. He is certainly the best ODI captain there is. Rahane is failing to capitalize on the opportunities presented . Kholi, Ishant and Ashwin are still in playing XI is a question only the captain can explain. This is the problem with Indian selection strategy. Stick with the old and by some miracle they will perform out of loyalty to the country and team !

Posted by Temuzin on (January 15, 2013, 17:29 GMT)

@Ravi Kiran lol.. they have a very bad day and are in hiding. They write 20-30 posts each when India lose even by 9 runs. But I see one guy is still parroting about Dhoni and his captaincy and how he should step down. unbelievable.

On a serious note. I think Dhawan and unmukt Chand should be roped in and should be with the team. In fact one of them should open with Rahen in place of Gambhir. Pujara should rotate along with Kohli in one dayers. Similarly Harmeet Singh (an U-19 spinner) should be groomed in for future.

Posted by nyc_missile on (January 15, 2013, 17:25 GMT)

Jadeja probably has now more or less staked claim just as a bowler..only in subcontinent though.Drop Ishant,pick a batsman instead as late order cannot be expected to perform miracles always.DHONI needs to come up and NOT hide at 7.Imagine if he has 30 or 35 overs to play with.Rohit or Pujara needs to come in.

I know Yuvraj was unlucky but time to move on..cute 30s wont do any good to the team.It's a paradox selectors now confront.Players scoring 30/40 once in a while and failing in between.How to deal with them? Well, like Sehwag was.Give Gambhir,Yuvraj a break; they might return much hungrier.Meanwhile,Tiwary declared himself fit & must be picked.Rohit & Tiwary must play as MSD seems to have no confidence in Pujara which is sad.Someone must open with Rahane,may be Jadeja like Sunny G mentioned or Kohli in fact.You cannot bench quality batsmen and leave them to rot before they lose touch.. Rahane Kohli Rohit Tiwary Raina Dhoni Jadeja Ashwin Bhuvi Dinda Shami

Posted by yorkslanka on (January 15, 2013, 17:22 GMT)

@harmony111- why are you so angry dude?this is meant to be a forum to DEBATE cricket not to try and pick arguments with anyone who differs from your opnion..take a chill...

Posted by DeathKnell on (January 15, 2013, 17:21 GMT)

@Mitch1066 - I can hear ur cry.. but just read out my comments earlier... u talk abt respect.. ok here you go.. when Ind toured eng, Tim Bresnen, thru a local tabloid or radio station, asked the Indian players to go home rather than playing there.. so thats how victory gets to head?? Nasser's donkey comment, Vaughan's vaseline gate (& broad confirming that it was all fine, when he inspected Laxman's bat)?? and needless to say abt the Hullabaloo of the eng fans all over the forums, sites & what not....the last sentence of your comment, says it all whats all about that #1??.. if eng #1 then Ind are WC..

Posted by freddieraghu on (January 15, 2013, 17:20 GMT)

@Ravi Kiran I know who Dhoni is... But What does CSK mean???? Talk about PROPER CRICKET... Grow Up first.. Then watch Cricket... IPL is not cricket...

Posted by Mitch1066 on (January 15, 2013, 17:18 GMT)

Rav421 i wish more were respectful like you. Both teams have quality players why pajura. Not in team? Your captain does seam be in different class in odis to his test game . Come on England do well :)

Posted by Cric_info_pak on (January 15, 2013, 17:17 GMT)

pakistan is much better side then india and england .... 2 strugling sides r playing with each other ......

Posted by balajit on (January 15, 2013, 17:16 GMT)

Good win! Now looking ahead India should make two changes Pujara for Gambhir & Dinda for Ishant. It is time to see how pujara plays in ODI's. It will be ridiculous not to swap ishant with dinda.

good to see ravindra jadeja play well. After all the flak poor chap has been receiving it is really nice for him to do well. He is a steady bowler the key for him to be in side would be bat consistently in the middle to end overs.

Posted by Silverbails on (January 15, 2013, 17:15 GMT)

OMG!! India have actually managed to WIN a cricket match, ANY SORT of a cricketing contest! That's it: all problems are OVER now!! Let's NOT be fooled: one swallow doesn't make a summer...there are MANY, MANY problems for this cricket team, consistency being the biggest of them. Let's see if this trend can continue for the remaining ODI fixtures, although I'm NOT holding my breath for this bunch of ODI prima donnas, to be honest!! Despite this, Dhoni should be dropped as captain, and replaced by Kohli as a much more vibrant and attacking captain, which what is NEEDED in the modern ODI World!! Anyway, let's see what happens for the remainder of the ODI tour...the Aussies must surely be licking their lips with anticipation for their encounter with this bedraggled team...

Posted by M0NARCH on (January 15, 2013, 17:14 GMT)

Man of the match should be given to Ishant for bowling only 4 over today

Posted by sachin_vvsfan on (January 15, 2013, 17:13 GMT)

RandyOZ, Front-Foot-Lunge,gsingh7, GerrardLK(SL fan) all are siblings.

As for this match, the fact is Eng were out played and their bowlers woakes, Tredwell are so poor that they make jadeja a superior allrounder. Let jadeja perform like this constantly then i will ONLY THINK about eating my own words.

Posted by nyc_missile on (January 15, 2013, 17:13 GMT)

DHONI resign from captaincy or you will lose touch as a power-batsman soon.So for your own sake and this young Indian team's batting utility,please step down from captaincy..Ind cannot afford to lose you as the batsman with non-stop action ahead and leading all formats will surely take much outta you.This is an earnest and well-meaning request...

DHONI fans don't jump yet as this win was NOT due to his captaincy skills purely due to death batting and bowling.Just like he blames everyone but himself for every loss,he and his fans must give credit to the whole team for every win.Period.

Posted by Mitch1066 on (January 15, 2013, 17:13 GMT)

I don't think England started this arrogance unlike what heard in build up to this series plus misguided comments from players from India talking up white washes . England not going lose 5 nil in either format so that funny. Yes 4-1 stil on cards but still better then 5-0 that most Indians wanted. South Africa are clearly better test and odi team than either India or England so. I for one never talked up England odi win here or test win I was just hoping for England to do well so test series win shows from history how hard winning in India is . I'm not sure what there record in odi at home is but if it as good as test home win ratio then it also show how difficult it is . All I want is good series like test series were . And may best team win . Who ever win I'm hoping England improve against spin in spin friendly conditions like I'm sure India would like on green tops against top quality seam conditions . And please stop calling English people' poms it derogative .

Posted by extralongleg on (January 15, 2013, 17:13 GMT)

Still not convinced about Jadeja though. Looking at his wagon wheel, 42 of his 61 runs came in the midwicket region. Runs in 'V' - 12, 7 on the off, nothing behind the wicket. Looks like fodder for bowlers with pace and moving away.

Posted by rav421 on (January 15, 2013, 17:04 GMT)

Great win India!!Hope we can maintain the same form for the rest of the series.England still a strong team and have proved their might.Cant expect India to win all the matches but I hope they can maintain the same aggression throughout the series!Good Luck India!!

Posted by Mitch1066 on (January 15, 2013, 17:03 GMT)

Um if Anderson and swann were not good in Indian condition Howcome we won test team swann did well plus he be fine in odi series being one best spinners going so end of . England team yes we're weaker then strongest side but team was the team I for one not harping on such thing we were beaten by India who clearly wanted it more . Plus India are quality limited over side which I have thought all the time . Just want England show desire and play well. Plus both side changing players over so you could argue neither side at there so called strongest so.

Posted by Trickstar on (January 15, 2013, 17:01 GMT)

@LovedFansofIndianCricket not that it matters but that has been said from the moment the side was picked and even after we won the first game, it's not as if Indian fans don't do the same thing is it, what about on England tour when Zaheer got injured, you lot basically dismissed the series because of it.

Posted by Trickstar on (January 15, 2013, 16:57 GMT)

@Harmony111 You seem to have a problem reading mate, I said serious England fans not the few trolls we have on this site. LOL you just reinforced everything what I said about you, you are no better than the trolls you think you're so much better than, you're hypocrisy knows no bounds and you might want to get off you're high horse because it's a long way down. You think you're not a troll just because you're just responding to other trolls LOL alright mate, well I think they'd say the same, it's just tit for tat but there are many many more Indian trolls on this site, why don't you have a word with them. I'll leave you with this 'Don't blame me if I reply to the arrogance/ignorance/duplicity/inanity of some Indian fans', works both ways bud.

Posted by Mitch1066 on (January 15, 2013, 16:56 GMT)

My god sum of you need learn be humble in victory aswel as in defeat ! India have comfortably won today but stil England played rubbish . I dislike way some of you act so gleeful reason why I'd enjoyed beating India in test for all revenge rubbish comments . Why carnt people treat England team and fans with respect ! India deserved respect at least got when we played them in England. Why carnt other do same for us? Seam lopsided I admit England were outplayed I accept this but come on England not that bad upto this series we number one odi ranking so

Posted by Al_Bundy1 on (January 15, 2013, 16:56 GMT)

This is a good win by India. It still didn't help resolve 2 problems that has been dragging us down for last 2 years - failure of top order batsmen, and poor bowling by Ishant and Ashwin. Gambhir and Ishant have been given a very long rope by Indian Selectors. It's time to cut that rope. Indian Selectors should drop Gambhir and bring in Dhawan. Similarly, drop Ishant and give a chance to Ishwar Pandey or Sandeep Sharma. Please "rest" Ashwin and give a chance to Shabazz Nadeem. Please don't recycle the same old Chawla or Mishra.

Posted by nyc_missile on (January 15, 2013, 16:51 GMT)

Good win for Ind,appropriate moment for Dhoni to step down as captain and remain the mainstay of middle order batting.I know we won but there was nothing to do with his captaincy but his batting.We can still win with him but once in 10 matches or so given his recent record.For that everything has to fall in place.Wicket must help,miracles like Jadeja scoring runs etc.So its foolish to depend on these factors always.So DHONI please step down as captain from ALL formats and entertain us with your batting.

Posted by   on (January 15, 2013, 16:50 GMT)

So dhoni and csk bashers, how was ur day ?

Posted by Indian_Cricket_Fanatic on (January 15, 2013, 16:49 GMT)

Great Win for India! India can add irfan back if he gets fit ofcourse, but bhuvi for now is doing a fine job.Shami ahmed is still to be tested but looks wicket taking bowler. Ishant should not be tried in any limited overs games.I'm surprised to see dinda get dropped. I'd rather have dinda than Ishant. Dinda bowls yorkers at the end and seems good death bowler.Bhuvneshwar on the other hand seems good only at the start. As far as batting is concerned Pujara is unlikely to get his chance and if its a chance for 1 or 2 games, I'd rather see him go prepare himself in the ranji games for the australia tour.... Rahane is good in the field and should impress dhoni with his batting too, but he needs to be given time and told he is a regular member.. Everyone else are doing fine for the moment being...@indian fans...#random..You mention karthik,saha,patel and at times gautam as dhoni's replacement in tests...why do you never mention Uday Kaul of punjab..check his stats..

Posted by DeathKnell on (January 15, 2013, 16:46 GMT)

all eng fans out here, speak all kinds of jargons now such as humble in victory, graceful in defeat bla bla..some whinge about umpiring & some cry like babies.. but to say the least, this whole episode of boasting was started by Eng fans & media especially after that wind fallen no#1 ranking in test (doing all stuff at your backyard), which was soon taken by the well deserved SAffas, never had I seen such illogical comments from Eng fans, earlier..they used to behave like how Saffa fans behave now (well!!)... to add to this story, I would like to point out this line from the eng commentators after 1st ODI on skysports.."Eng played like a #1 team, which they are now" just tell me if this statement has any merit???? even in the context of 1st ODI for that matter, a couple of shots here & there would have seen India home..not until last couple of balls, Eng or Ind had any clue on the result that was not clinical..but now, what will they equate this performance to?? world ranking #99991?

Posted by gi.gos on (January 15, 2013, 16:40 GMT)

Gambhir is out of form.He should take some rest.It is the right time to include pujara in Next ODI.Also i would like to see raina as opener in next ODI so that we can maintain left & right combination,he has the credentials to be explosive opener like jayasuirya,gilly. My Team:raina,rahane,pujara,kohli,yuvraj,dhoni,jadeja,ashwin,kumar,ahmed,ishant

Posted by anilkp on (January 15, 2013, 16:38 GMT)

Hello everyone! India won, good, and we all start cheering. It will not take long after another defeat to pull today's heroes down. I know, the next time Jadeja fails to pick a wicket or make a run, all hell will let loose, with fans baying for his blood as well as Dhoni's (for persisting with him). Such is the fundamentalist-like ferver of our cric-passion. What we need--as a collective body of fans all-over the globe--is a little bit of growing up, to see the reality and practicality, to avoid screaming knee-jerk reactions. Plus, we keep saying ABC or XYZ will be a better fit than the incumbent PQR, just because ABC/XYZ did well in a Ranji?IPL game. Life is not that simple. Above these mundane ones that camouflage everyday, there are pressing issues to ponder: roles of the coach, selectors, administrators; judgment over what sort of pitches to make; finding batting/spinning/fast talents and nurturing them, and many more. Plus, how to make the BCCI listen to constructive suggestions?

Posted by karthikramnatarajan on (January 15, 2013, 16:33 GMT)

I think its time to give break to Gambhir and give a chance to Pujara.... It will help both... If Gambhir is the tough character (that India need him to be), he will fight back for his place... If he doesn't, India anyway do not need such a player in their ranks... Rahane's aggression and Pujara's watchful game can be a good combination at the top... Also, in surfaces that do not offer much help, Ishant seems to be clueless... He did bowl well in ODIs vs Pak but he lacks consistency... We badly need one of Umesh/Aaron... How long has Aaron been injured, so ridiculous....

Posted by vsreddy4u on (January 15, 2013, 16:31 GMT)

I think india need to replace ishanth with another bowler like bhuvaneshwar and shami ahmed who can swing the ball splendidly.I feel this attack will become lethal in future and will win matches for india.

Posted by DeathKnell on (January 15, 2013, 16:28 GMT)

Shan156 - ok.. now u want the overall records.. lets have a small talk.. India won 3 world cups 2 ODI & 1 T20, what about Eng?.. India ranked #1 in tests earlier and longer than Eng??..get on with it mate, instead of trying to save your blushes..

Posted by vsreddy4u on (January 15, 2013, 16:22 GMT)

I think india need to replace ishanth with another bowler like bhuvaneshwar and shami ahmed who can swing the ball splendidly.I feel this attack will become lethal in future and will win matches for india.

Posted by LovedFansofIndianCricket on (January 15, 2013, 16:19 GMT)

When Eng start loosing English Fans start that this is Second string Eng side. In indian condition Broad is big zero. Anderson and Swan are not good ODI player in Ind condition. If it is second string English side, then India also has Second string bowling unit. They lost Pathan, Umesh Yadav, Varun Aron, Vinay for injury. Accept the loose....

Posted by bulldo on (January 15, 2013, 16:15 GMT)

good show by JAdeja. he should be groomed in the right path. well done once again

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 15, 2013, 16:14 GMT)

@Shan156: You've joined your fellow comrade A_Vacant_Slip who too lacks the ability to counter me directly and runs away to find solace in your countryman's company by talking about me indirectly (but visibly) to him.

This is just like typical Indian daily soaps. Two women talking bitterly about someone they encountered a while back but were unable to say anything right then and are now bad-mouthing just to take out their frustration.

Anyways, I don't deny u the right to say anything. If it pleases u then feel free to indulge in What-If. But just compare the relative difference in your and mine What-Ifs. I had talked about just 1 of our batsmen hitting form while you talk of each of your batsmen scoring 30 of 10 balls. Your What-If is incredulous, mine is doable.

As for IN INDIA/IN ENG - We've WON A WC IN ENG & IN IND + B&H WS IN AUS - What about Eng?

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 15, 2013, 16:10 GMT)

@Trickstar: Would have been nice had you been more aware. On this very page you would find that piece of cake comment. ON THIS VERY PAGE. Do you know who to search for text on a browser? Just press CTRL F and enter the desired text.

I don't know if it is your ignorance that exceeds your hypocrisy or vice versa.

Don't blame me if I reply to the arrogance/ignorance/duplicity/inanity of some Eng fans. Ofc I would need to use the same language as they do but that is SoP. You got to deal with an antagonist in a mutual way.

You pay respect - you get respect. Tit for Tat. Not my fault if some Eng fans can't control their words and then cry when exposed.

I will retort, reply, rebutt anyone who says unfair things about Ind in an uncivil manner. I got that right. Talk about something in a nice manner and I will reply in a nice manner. In any case, I'm always nice, it is the way these Eng fans are exposed by me that makes them feel embarrassed.

Posted by Optic on (January 15, 2013, 16:10 GMT)

@Jose Puliampatta They didn't show it when we played them in one day cricket in the UAE did they and not in England in either format before that, poor comment tbh especially with quite a few England players missing from this tour.

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (January 15, 2013, 16:09 GMT)

Well, hate to say it, but told you so! England batsmen again abysmal at chasing, and selectors seemingly happy to keep bowlers with economy's over 8 in the team instead of economical spinners. This series will be decided on the toss of the coin at the start of each match.

Posted by batman_gothamcity on (January 15, 2013, 16:07 GMT)

good win by India over no 1 ICC ranked side in ODI , Jadeja will silence his critics by his performance , however some problems remain , gambhir needs a break and dhawan/karthik /parthiv to play as a opener . 1 of the top 3 should be told that pls bat atleast for 35 overs . England are very good side , they will come hard

Posted by Trickstar on (January 15, 2013, 16:04 GMT)

@ WheresTheEmpire and you'd know what that sounds like seen as you lot seemed to have been doing it non stop for the past 18 months both players and fans alike.

Posted by Cricketfan101 on (January 15, 2013, 16:03 GMT)

well done for a sporting track for once .so well done bcci and dhoni and jadeja

Posted by gnanasagaram on (January 15, 2013, 16:03 GMT)

ashwin's bowling is gettin worse day by day.rahane is failing to capitalize on the oppurtunities given.guess rahane shud be replaced by pujara and gambhir by dhawan

Posted by mgr125128 on (January 15, 2013, 16:03 GMT)

It is good to see that when Dhoni and Selectors picked up players on merit results changed to a comprehensive victory. Tried and tested failures need to be shown door so they can practice in domestic cricket and return better players. Ex Gambhir and Ishant both needs to be shown door now. Infusion of good new players based purely on talent ( Shami , Bhuvneshwar) over players like Vinay kumar and Rohit sharma has yielded results.

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 15, 2013, 16:01 GMT)

@Shan156: Aha, trying to shift the context now haan? The point here is this ODI series. Show me 1 comment of mine where I've linked this 1 win or this series to the overall Ind-Eng equation. Why can't you keep your gaze fixed on the topic at hand? It clearly means that you are massively ashamed of this thrashing of today and just want to talk of the Good ol' memories to feel good now.

Your comment sounds just like a bankrupt person talking about the old days when he used to be a rich man and used to drive a Ferrari.

At the end of Ind-Eng test series, I had congratulated Eng and had expressed disappointment at the result. As for the T20 series, Ind won the 1st T20 easily (boringly rather) and lost the 2nd T20 off the last ball off a 6. But some of your fellow ppl talked of it as if it was a cakewalk for Eng. 1-1 is 1-1 and not 2-0 or 0-2. So why make that much noise?

Eng won the 1st ODI by 9 runs and your ilk said it was a thrashing so what should a 127 run win be called?

Posted by Trickstar on (January 15, 2013, 16:00 GMT)

@Shan156 Agree and said virtually the same below you, it's just stuns me sometimes how much rubbish some Indian fans throw out England's way especially with how poor they've been and like you say the best they can do is win a few one day games against us at home and all of a sudden everything that's gone before is forgotten and they're on here giving it the big one like their stuff doesn't stink anymore, it's unreal.

Posted by RajanXXX on (January 15, 2013, 15:57 GMT)

This the right time to Replace Gambhir now we have to do the opening with Jadeja & Rahane,pujara will be one down then Kohli,Yuvraj,Raina,Dhoni,Ashwin,B.Kumar,A.Dinda & Shami Ahmed. Ishant Sharma also not deserve a place in this Indian Squad.

Posted by Stark62 on (January 15, 2013, 15:54 GMT)

I can't believe Eng are making these tailenders; Ashwin (in the Test series) and Jadeja look like quality allrounders!!

Posted by Trickstar on (January 15, 2013, 15:54 GMT)

@Harmony111 Give it a rest man you're just as bad as the rest, who just seems to post just to antagonise England fans or vise versa, but yet you jump on you're high horse when others do the same. Also I'd love to see all these comments that you claim were made by various serious England fans because I haven't see many, especially how it would be a piece of cake for England because that just sounds like made up rubbish to me, hardly any fan thought this one day tour was easy how could we after what's come before and even if you can, how exactly are you any better than those who post to wind up oppo fans, it's all just tit for tat.

Posted by brusselslion on (January 15, 2013, 15:53 GMT)

@gsingh7 on (January 15 2013, 11:20 AM GMT): I doubt very much that we will ever associate the word "graceful" or term "sportsman like" to any of your posts!

Posted by Temuzin on (January 15, 2013, 15:50 GMT)

I think Gambhir and Ishant should be dropped from the squad. They are no way a good prospect for 2015 WORLD CUP. Unmukt Chand,Shikhar Dhawan and Pujara should be in the team. Bring in Sreesanth if he is fit. Santh, Kumar, Shami and Yadav should make fast bowling unit. Jadeja should be brought in before raina at 4/5 and give him a few balls to get set. He will be a wonderful allrounder at that position. Raina is good finisher and ask him to come at 7. Team will become balanced.

Posted by WheresTheEmpire on (January 15, 2013, 15:49 GMT)

@Dalena The sound of England fans crying is always music to my ears.

Posted by SridharKalyan on (January 15, 2013, 15:49 GMT)

Hello Mr. Sandip Patil - can you please bell the cat and drop the non-/under-performers? Please drop Gautum Gambhir and R Ashwin from the present playing XI (the one at Kochi today). Let them be replaced by Cheteshwar Pujara and Irfan Pathan. Irfan can open both batting and bowling. And, please give this eleven a longish tenure to settle down and show their mettle. Afterall, that was the privilege given to some 'big names' so far!!

Posted by brusselslion on (January 15, 2013, 15:48 GMT)

No doubting that this was a thrashing. Thought that this looked a stronger England team than the one fielded in the 1st match but proved not to be the case.

Dohni might be one of the worst Test captains in living memory but he's one hell of a ODI player.

Posted by   on (January 15, 2013, 15:48 GMT)

What happened to all the Delhi boys: Gambhir, Ishant, & Kohli? Did they gift wrap all their skills and gave it to another Delhi boy, Sehwag, "to play with" when he is away from international cricket?

Posted by   on (January 15, 2013, 15:44 GMT)

@Cric_info_pak on (January 15 2013, 14:42 PM GMT). I tend to agree with you. Pakistan Cricket team is a far superior side than that of England.

Posted by oval77 on (January 15, 2013, 15:43 GMT)

Well played India. @Front-Foot-Lunge - and I say this as an England fan - don't become a spoilsport mate. It's one thing baiting Aussies, but your scattergun comments are becoming a bit predictable and unsporting. I listened to the game from 5am this morning and it didn't sound to me like the overall result was badly swayed by what were after all difficult umpiring conditions. India played superbly. England, after a fantastic winter, were patchy. FOUR LETTERS, PEOPLE: UDRS! Get it up and running and let's get back to what really matters - discussing the game (oh, and baiting Aussies :)

Posted by   on (January 15, 2013, 15:40 GMT)

we mKE lotr of hurry failure in 1 series cant proove that our team lacks talent todays match shpowed the batting depth of our team

Posted by THINK_BEYOND on (January 15, 2013, 15:39 GMT)

I appreciate Indian selector's decision to drop Sehwag - the one match wonder. I still wonder why they are persisting with Gambhir ignoring talents like Unmukt Chand and Pujara. Gambhir should play domestic cricket to gain form and come back to Indian team again. B Kumar and S Ahmed looks impressive so far, but is there any derth of good spinners in India? Ashwin seems to be too monotonous - any batsman can pick him easily now. He is also not the all-rounder India is seeking for. In fact, again wonder why Irfan sits in the backyard when Ishant gets chance. Ishant can be in test team, but not in ODIs...particularly if an allrounder option is available to replace him.

Posted by kumarcoolbuddy on (January 15, 2013, 15:37 GMT)

First of all Ashwin is not a pick any more. He needs some break if he has to get back to his form.

Posted by SamRoy on (January 15, 2013, 15:36 GMT)

Ashwin is clearly out of form even though he took 3 wickets today. He needs to sit out and clear his head and start practicing for Australia test series. Otherwise, his bowling will become even more toothless. He is clearly the most talented cricketer in the current test team but he has been bowling badly for a long period now. He needs to work on his patience for starters. His awful bowling did cost India the Mumbai test. I am huge fan of what Ashwin brings to the table as a test cricketer but he needs to work on his patience as a bowler more. In the mean time India can play Ojha in ODIs who will do a decent job.

Posted by Fakhar.247 on (January 15, 2013, 15:35 GMT)

India will lose this series....Fakhar Imam frm Pakistan

Posted by Shan156 on (January 15, 2013, 15:35 GMT)

@Harmony111, Eng. will be ashamed of today's loss but at least they will take consolation from the fact that they are still the better team across all formats. We will not be crying for today's defeat. Perhaps you think we will because that is what you have been doing since India's tour of England last year. 0-4 defeats in England and Australia, inability to win a single game in any format in England, 1-2 at home to England, only managed to tie the T20 series at home and here you are gloating about how great your team is and how bad our team is after one win that has helped India only level the series. How desperate were you for this win!

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 15, 2013, 15:34 GMT)

@Front-Foot-Lunge: Apparently you can make some more sense than you usually do. But sadly it still doesn't amount to much. It is not India's fault that this is Eng's prime team or A or B or C team. Ind can only play against those who chose to turn up. This tactic of trying to ameliorating your defeats won't help here. What stopped your board from sending your main players? Broad is injured and Swann needs to rest his elbow so they were not available anyways, it's not as if ECB had any choice there. So don't give the excuse that the result would've been diff had it been Eng's prime team. THIS IS YOUR PRIME TEAM.

Ind too are without Viru & Zak. Umesh, Varun, Sreesanth are all injured. These all are 1st choice players thus this is India's C or D team actually. Look at the win margin - 127 runs. My god.

Besides, Eng have lost 16/20 times in India of late. What did your full strength team do in 2011? It got whipped 0-5, twice over actually.

Eng's B team my Gass Eng's B Team.

Posted by Visesh_Tippani on (January 15, 2013, 15:33 GMT)

India need to come out with a plan to contain Samit Patel. This guy, if not controlled, can single handedly turn the match in England's favour.

Posted by Selassie-I on (January 15, 2013, 15:32 GMT)

To get a near 300 total we needed one of the top order to get a score, and they didn't. I won't balame Cookie though as he was wrongly given out for the 3rd time in 3 matches, he's really having some bad luck at the moment.

As I say, i'm really happy if we can win 2 matches in this series, shows we can compete with India in India in ODIs. Especially without anderson, broad, swann and trott.

There was bad decisions on both sides today, and so many in the tests, I do wonder if the umpires are making a point that THEY want the DRS too!

Posted by   on (January 15, 2013, 15:29 GMT)

One Mr George posted an interesting comment, during the running commentary. To paraphrase him a bit : "The best way to avoid India's death bowling problems, is not to have the death bowling at all. Finish off the opposition within 40-45 overs!". I loved that idea, as an idea! But it will be a tough proposition against good teams.

Posted by wakaPAK on (January 15, 2013, 15:24 GMT)

Well, Youvraj's dismissal was yuvraj's own fault, he wanted to play a shot and he couldnt; he has to blame himself for mishitting; Umpires can not see everything; if you dont play clean, you're gonna get out. Anyways, it's good to see India winning and showing fight; we didnt just defeated an awfully bad team.

Posted by JustIPL on (January 15, 2013, 15:22 GMT)

Wonderful click from Dhoni's strategy. All of his first choice team in the Indian lower order and upper order delivered at last. Bowling was not that accurate by England though and initial advantage was not capitalised on. Taking risk and batting first against the English pace battery worked for him. I am happy for B. Kumar, great indian players are made against Pakistan. English bowling could not create that impression as Pakistan did.

Posted by   on (January 15, 2013, 15:21 GMT)

There are two guys who do not seem to learn from their experience: Ishant & Dinda. In fact, they don't seem to apply their brain, while bowling. Both should give way to others, to be tried. Moreover, Ishant, Dinda and quite often Ashwin too, bowls too many loose balls and too many wides.

Any one knows, when Yadav will be back?

It will be nice to see Bhuvanesh, Yadav, and Shami bowling together, as an attacking pace pack. BCCI should do everything to make this trio a fighting seam & swing bowling unit.

Posted by Shan156 on (January 15, 2013, 15:20 GMT)

Good win for India today. Well played. They outplayed England who looked defeated even before they got the chance to bat. Those last 10 overs in the Indian innings completely took away any chance England had.

@JG2704, Harmony and some Indian fans have always been the anti-theses of "humble in victory and graceful in defeat" but they blame us of the same. TBH, we do have some Eng. fans who make some excuses. But, look at Harmony's message. He is saying that had Kohli been in form or Gambhir been in form, then imagine what would have happened. We could also say that had each of the England batsmen scored 30+ runs in 10 balls each, England would have won the match with relative ease. Harmony claims the difference between the two teams is the 127 run victory they secured today. If you want to assess the two teams - India were unable to win in any format in Eng, Eng. managed to beat Ind in the test series, draw the T20s and even managed a win in 1 ODI. Ind. have only "levelled" the series.

Posted by Trickstar on (January 15, 2013, 15:18 GMT)

@ jmcilhinney I agree with you about asking Saker about lack of yorkers, Denbach got brought into the side because he was good at them and now he doesn't bowl them at all, Bresnan can bowl a very good yorker but hardly does anymore, we need to start mixing it up more. The one thing I will say about the yorker is that if you don't get them spot on they go the distance every time. I was watching the Big Bah the other day and this bowler nailed the yorker time after time 6 he put in the block hole great yorkers, he went for 25 in that over, I've got a feeling England think it's a low percentage ball, so they don't risk them, which doesn't make sense when the others are not necessarily working

Posted by Trickstar on (January 15, 2013, 15:17 GMT)

@Harmony111 You and other seem to making a big deal about Yuvraj's dismissal but he should have been out a bit before that, woakes had him caught behind but the faint edge was not given due to the noisey crowd.

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 15, 2013, 15:15 GMT)

@JG2704: Looks like I can't even celebrate my team's win and even if I talk purely in terms of facts. Here:

1. This is Ind's 2nd highest winning margin vs Eng. 2. Gambhir, Kohli, Ishant, Ashwin are not in form, Rahane failed today. ~Half the team. 3. Bhuvneh/Shami have not played 5 ODIs each. 4. Eng were 80 a.o. vs Ind in WT20 in SL. 5. Eng were bowled out in 38 overs for < 200 runs. 6. The gap like #1 was 127 runs.

All of these are facts, where did I gloat?

All Eng batsmen got runs at Rajkot yet Ind lost only by 9 runs. Here only 3 Ind batsmen got runs yet Eng lost by a whopping 127 runs even though their target was 40 runs lesser. This is fact too. Logically, if any of GG or AR or VK get back in form imagine the target and the margin? This is gloating for you?

Some Eng fan said it would be a piece of cake for Eng here. Some Eng fan said it was a flat track (Eng a.o. for 158 lol). Some Eng fan said Ind were THRASHED for losing by 9 runs, wow. Yet it is I that gloats here?

Posted by Sugath on (January 15, 2013, 15:13 GMT)

I guess this is it. When India win they tend to lose balance and lose. AS I can see it will be tight but the Poms will take the series in the end.

Posted by Yogesh.sinari on (January 15, 2013, 15:09 GMT)

I think Ravindra Jadeja Should bat higher up the order.He is very good batsman as he has shown today.But he cant get those runs every time when he bats lower down the order.

Posted by Temuzin on (January 15, 2013, 15:08 GMT)

Good to see fans happy with Dhoni and Jadeja. Both played a perfect game and India won the match. The anti-dhoni indian fans are not to be seen today on the thread. Come on guys, give credit where it is due. JADEJA is the MAN of MATCH. Well played Jaddu.

Posted by Nish_US on (January 15, 2013, 15:07 GMT)

So the dice finally rolled six... yes I am talking about the only Sir in our Indian team :)

Neverthless... a Happy Indian Fan

Posted by kumarcoolbuddy on (January 15, 2013, 15:07 GMT)

@Albert_cambell, when did India become minnow team for you? Is it only after ENG won the test series in India after 25 years? By the way did ENG celebrate one week holiday after ENG won the series in India after 25 years? How did you feel when ENG was minnow team for 25 years?

Posted by Jacobchikku on (January 15, 2013, 15:06 GMT)

Gambir for 2015 world cup!!

Posted by Temuzin on (January 15, 2013, 15:06 GMT)

Hats off to Dhoni for his superb performance as a captain and batsman. some one has rightly suggested he is the "one man army". Kudos to him. Ravi Jadeja was also superb today. He played as a true allrounder and won the match for India along with Dhoni and Kumar. It looked as if the game was CSK vs England where DD was trying to spoil the party. All DD players bombed in this match.

Posted by Temuzin on (January 15, 2013, 14:54 GMT)

So its now official, Ravi Jadeja has won a match for India. I saw people asking his head even before this game. Please put this in the records that jadeja was man of the match in a game which India won. Poor guy needs some respect now. Cricinfo please publish.

Posted by Sunny_singh123 on (January 15, 2013, 14:54 GMT)

This is my 22nd cricket match i watched.I can undoubtly say that kochi is now india's number no.1 stadium its not only about the excellent crowd support but also the luck factor out of 8 matched indian have won 6 matches..It was a great show by team india today. I will come again to kochi to watch cricket.I think its even better than watching cricket match at eden garden..Big thanks kochi!!!

Posted by richardror on (January 15, 2013, 14:53 GMT)

Series will be 4-1 England. They now know their second string side can't win that easily, and will be up for the next few games.

Posted by Dalena on (January 15, 2013, 14:51 GMT)

@Front-Foot-Lunge . . Yuvi was not out he was given .. it happens . . even in test match eng was lucky to get so many outs which were not out. . stop crying

Posted by KEVINSL on (January 15, 2013, 14:50 GMT)

@somanath:- yeah dude,shocking comment!! ha ha. cn u tell me who are the strike bowlers in your side.. ok. I don't know how are u analyze the cricket.can u categories jadeja,ashwin or else expensive sharma as strikers just bcz of one match.no brother,you must be practical right.

Posted by GilliCricket on (January 15, 2013, 14:44 GMT)

To All England Fans... I dont know whether you watched the match or not. Dhoni was not given out because he is not at all out. Did you saw the replay shown in the TV. it was the sound which hits hit shoe toe of Dhoni's right leg. do you want Dhoni to go walking without given out for not our deceision ? I watched most of the time like Dhoni is one of the person who will walk immediately if he felt he is out. Do you guys agree.. Also, Today Yuvi was not at all out. but you Eng team shouted for that and got the wicket as well. the form yuvi is having and if it is not given out, i even didnt realize what would be score for Eng team to chase... More over, you guys are always blaming Indian fans for not being ethic etc.,etc., now you guys are not at all shown any thing towards india victory. inturns you are saying like dhoni decision was wrong and it is the sole reason for winning and all.. understand the fact that, you guys are totally out played today... Better luck next time for comment.

Posted by karurkrishnan on (January 15, 2013, 14:42 GMT)

i think we can rotate the players position so that they can fit in any place. sending R.jadeja up the orfer in one match and raina in another match and dhoni in another match. This will help the players to gain some runs and confidence thereby team can gain some benefit. see how useful R.jadeja knock was today.

Posted by Cric_info_pak on (January 15, 2013, 14:42 GMT)

see the different same indian batting can't even score 250 against pakistan now suddendly they start scoring 300 + and 280 hmmmm .... that show it is not india out of form it is quality of pakistan bolwing attack ..... same jadeja can't score against saeed ajmal even 5 wickets haul he dismas jadeja and raina is talender as lots of indian said he took talender wickets ..... com'on see pakistan bolwing attack indian... even england is no where near to pakistan even SA ready for defeat as they did not face pakistan for some time

Posted by JG2704 on (January 15, 2013, 14:34 GMT)

our England ODI side are back at the top of their game.Seriously,well played Jadeja,Dhoni,Kumar - India.A thrashing by anyone's standards and I see there are a few predictable gloats from the predictable suspects.Seems that today , the whole batting line up failed and again it was no surprise that our slower/spin options were the most economical.Does this suggest that we need an extra slow/spin option at the expense of pace as many have pointed out before?- the evidence is pointing that way.I missed much of this game but I see Root bowled 2 overs for 5 runs , so could Eng not have thought outside the box and bowled him a little more?Re the Dhoni/Yuvraj decisions - umpiring decs often even themselves out and it seems they did in one day so fellow Eng fans please do not boo about it. On the bright side - the series is level 1-1 and if (HUGE IF) we can bounce back this defeat will be forgotten about and maybe in defeat it might make the selectors make the changes the fans want to see

Posted by InnocentGuy on (January 15, 2013, 14:34 GMT)

@Somanath, ha ha, you are kidding, right? What wicket-taking bowlers? What are you talking about dude?

Posted by Front-Foot-Lunge on (January 15, 2013, 14:31 GMT)

@Harmony111, Fair point, England didn't really turn up and would've still lost by 20 or so runs had Dhoni been given out as, in all honesty, he should've been. Don't get me wrong, I love seeing India play, and it's Nice to see so many Indian fans back on this board after the humiliation you guys received in your own back yard recently, but can't help but smile when people talk as though this is a victory against England's 'A' side, no one would claim that for a second, but it must take away some of the joy of victory. England would feel the same if they beat an India without Jadeja and Dhoni. Nevertheless, well played India.

Posted by JG2704 on (January 15, 2013, 14:29 GMT)

@Harmony111 on (January 15 2013, 13:46 PM GMT) - Guess it's not possible to just celebrate the win without gloating etc. And you always plead to be one of those who only gives such comments in response ?

Posted by fan_2_fans on (January 15, 2013, 14:28 GMT)

@GerrardLK.Well I expected a SL fan here and you popped up.Well I will say only one thing "Atleast India is flat track bullies,but SL is neither flat track bullies nor green track bullies because they get bashing at home and overseas regularly". So thus proved.SL is minnows.lol you guys are not even going to get BOXING DAY test hence forth for that shamefull performance.

Posted by tickcric on (January 15, 2013, 14:24 GMT)

Several umpiring errors in this match. Yuvraj's lbw , Dhoni- caught behind not given, Cook lbw to ball pitching outside leg stump. The crowd was vociferous that probably played its part... Well played India, specially Jadeja, Dhoni & Kumar. Have to say I enjoyed Jadeja's bowling a lot. Don't know in between those two wickets how many times he missed the off stump by a whisker!

Posted by Raj1969 on (January 15, 2013, 14:20 GMT)

What a treat 2 watch India beat England handsomely ,unlike first match where India lost by mistake beware now eng fans score line 4------1

Posted by CrICkeeet on (January 15, 2013, 14:20 GMT)

OH.....! no matter who is d winner.....the most IMPORTANT thing is we can hav a match where DHONI is not d MAN OF THE MATCH!...:D

Posted by MFKHAIRA on (January 15, 2013, 14:16 GMT)

looks like Chennai Superkings VS England. All other players are under performing. Selctors should think abount Under performing players

Posted by   on (January 15, 2013, 14:10 GMT)

I think this would be the right time to bring in Sreesanth. We have got wicket takers finally, now we need an aggressive bowler to complete the bowling pack.

Posted by realfan on (January 15, 2013, 14:08 GMT)

@Albert_cambell

england kept getting upset for 16 times in the last 20 games against india.... still think your team great... oh sorry MIGHTY GREAT? poor guy... sory

Posted by electric_loco_WAP4 on (January 15, 2013, 14:08 GMT)

Yet another low for England ... the whitewashes and home series thrashings are not enough. Getting thrashed by an average Indian side and the slide continues.... Next Bangladesh and Ireland will be odds on favourites if they arrange a home ODI series in England and clean sweep Eng....

Posted by fan_2_fans on (January 15, 2013, 14:07 GMT)

@Albert_cambell.Let me remind you even India A and Delhi team beat Eng earlier,that infact says who the minnows are. Anyway,I am big Dhoni fan and it was nice to see his "helicopter shots".

Posted by Bruisers on (January 15, 2013, 14:06 GMT)

Shikhar Dhawan will be asking himself what more he needs to do to get into the Indian squad. He is easily the best left-hand batsman in the country right now. Throw out Gambhir, I say!

Posted by fan_of_good_cricket on (January 15, 2013, 14:06 GMT)

Good to see Dhoni gaining some confidence by himself. Jadeja is given Man of the Match!

Posted by   on (January 15, 2013, 14:03 GMT)

@ Albert_cambell - todays result have clearly identified who are minnows and talking about National Holiday in India, I think England should have done that when they won their first ODI in India and only God knows in how many years was that and I guess you should also consider some past statistical data vs Pakistan before announcing yourself champions - and if not also do remember who has won the World Cup ; period.

Posted by Bruisers on (January 15, 2013, 14:03 GMT)

Front-Foot-Lunge and A_Vacant_Slip are bad losers. Can't ever appreciate good performances of the opposition, can you? Look at the excuses LOL. Far funnier than the ones Bangladesh fans give. Grow up people. England were not just outplayed, they were OUTCLASSED.

Posted by Cricfan_99 on (January 15, 2013, 14:01 GMT)

Hilarious to see some English fans complaining about Dhoni's sportsman spirit and refusal to walk.. Short term memory loss eh ? -- remember Trotty - claiming a false catch even though it had clearly pitched in front of him - or did they forget Prior "stumping" the unsuspecting SA batsmen even after the ball had been bowled - and Bumble and other english commentators pulling out the Wisden rule book in the commentary box just to prove he was right - PATHETIC !!!!

Posted by Dalena on (January 15, 2013, 13:58 GMT)

samit patel is best batsmen in eng team. . he is gift from india like SA gifted Kp!!

Posted by tony122 on (January 15, 2013, 13:56 GMT)

This performance by Jadeja should silence his critics for some time. He is a good batsman with a decent back foot play, something of a rarity in India. Guys like Rohit Sharma and Yuvi are good front players and frankly they are dime a dozen available in india. Rahane too is in the mold of Jadeja. And Pujara looks an all round good player. We will have to wait and see how he performs overseas.

Posted by Porky_PigTheToon on (January 15, 2013, 13:56 GMT)

@ Albert_cambel

For Your Information, (The-Mighty !) England have lost 16 of their last 20 ODIs in India. Team India indeed a Minnow.

Posted by   on (January 15, 2013, 13:55 GMT)

@Albert_cambell: Buddy India has a capital "I". It is very shamefull that you have taken care of the same when writing England. Respect buddy!! Respect!

Posted by Dalena on (January 15, 2013, 13:55 GMT)

Missing Viru.. he would hav loved this pitch to bat. . sad that he couldnt. . india -A team can beat this pro English team n they have done it .. lol!! return of viru will really boost indian team, hoping for best!!! yuvi was not out hes unlucky. . dhoni was lucky this time. . even eng were lucky in test match so many times , none of indian fans blamed poor umpiring, sad to see so many eng ppl crying here . . Congo India~!!!!!!!!!! Viru missing u~

Posted by Albert_cambell on (January 15, 2013, 13:55 GMT)

@ Harmony111. ODI cricket is all about scoreboard pressure. You know that. isn't it?

Posted by spiritwithin on (January 15, 2013, 13:54 GMT)

btw i m not surprised to see eng fans showing sour grapes and not even one fan congratulating india for winning the game and the only thing they r doing is giving excuses,so u fans has no right to point finger at other fans from now on

Posted by spiritwithin on (January 15, 2013, 13:51 GMT)

@ADB1..if match becomes tainted bcoz Dhoni got a favourable decision than their r many matches where eng got the same,in test series they got more so may i say the test series was tainted??as for yuvraj he got a nick and was judged LBW and before that there were no appeal against him..so in all count ur comment also suggesting one more excuse

Posted by samir6336 on (January 15, 2013, 13:51 GMT)

good to see the preformance of jajdeja and dhoni

Posted by electric_loco_WAP4 on (January 15, 2013, 13:51 GMT)

England living upto their name...... minnows are minnows afterall and nothing can change that even @Front-Foot-Lunge tries his best to portray his Eng team as some thing extraordinary...guys try to understand the hunch- Eng are not 'just' ordinary infact they are 'extra' ordinary -:) Atleast 1 'sensible' fact by the @FFL just put it in a indirect sort of way...

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 15, 2013, 13:46 GMT)

The margin of win in today's match is mind-numbing. It is India's 2nd highest win margin against Eng in an ODI. And come to think of it, we've thrashed Eng today with ridiculous ease even though half our team is not in form and guys like Ishant and Aswhin perhaps don't even deserve a place in team. Just imagine how bad a mauling Eng would get if Gambhir, Rahane, Kohli get back in form and just 1 of the Ind bowlers begins bowling well.

Eng must be ashamed of today's loss. It is every bit as humiliating as it can get - quite close to their 80 a.o. in WT20 vs Ind. Ind's 2 most exp bowlers are a joke and have 2 bowlers who've not played even 5 ODIs. Ind have an allrounder who is mocked at all the time and Ind have another allrounder who doesn't turn the ball.

Vs such an attack it was shocking that Eng couldn't even last 40 overs or score even 200 runs. What would they score vs Steyn & Morkel?

Gap between Eng A vs Ind D = 127 runs. My god.

Posted by supadupamonk on (January 15, 2013, 13:41 GMT)

one match lost and we can already see some England fans as usual whining....

Posted by Porky_PigTheToon on (January 15, 2013, 13:40 GMT)

Also, I would like to congratulate BCCI for preparing sporty track where there was something for fast bowlers and spinners both.

Posted by Nutcutlet on (January 15, 2013, 13:39 GMT)

Well played, India! That was a sorely needed win that sets up the rest of the series very neatly. From an Eng perspective comprehensive defeat this has given Cook & Giles a few things to ponder. Here's my twopenn'orth. The innings got becalmed after KP's & Morgan's dismissal because Keiswetter doesn't do rotation. (The inns was never going to re-gather any momentum without a few ticking-over overs) Patel, on the other hand, does rotation very well. IF CW is to be retained (And I would change him for Buttler) then Samit must bat #6. I wonder if England read the pitch accurately before the toss. In retrospect, Briggs for Dernbach might have paid dividends. Overall, this defeat will help England re-focus, test the spirit of the squad & provide an opportunity to come up with a better plan. There is no reason to think that the task is beyond them. And with a toss or two falling in Eng's favour, this series is still winnable, but they'll have to play better than they did today.

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 15, 2013, 13:37 GMT)

@Front-Foot-Lunge: And by the way, even if India had scored only 180 as you yourself said had Dhoni been given out, your darling team would've still lost by 22 runs....still more than the 9 run win your team managed to eke out in the 1st ODI thanks to some horrible bowling by Ishant Sharma and untimely dismissals of Yuvi, Raina and Dhoni during the chase.

I know you won't reply....cos you are too busy looking for a fresh excuse or may be another handkerchief :-p

Posted by Porky_PigTheToon on (January 15, 2013, 13:37 GMT)

Poor Umpiring.

Yuvraj was unlucky to be given out. The ball had clearly touched his glove before hitting the pad. If he was there, Ind would have posted 300+ comfortably.

Tredwell and Kieswetter both should have showed some sportsmen-ship by not going for wrong LBW appeal.

Posted by Narkovian on (January 15, 2013, 13:35 GMT)

Play Second XI.. get beaten. Where are some of our best ENG players ? Playing rubbish BBL or just "resting". Playing K'wetter instead of Prior is nonsense. Trott?, Hales? Anderson? Swann? Rotation is rubbish. The problem is too much International cricket. If you cant play your best players because they are knackered(?) then there is somthing wrong with the schedule.

Posted by Albert_cambell on (January 15, 2013, 13:34 GMT)

What an upset. I never expected a minnow like india beating England. Biggest upset in cricket history. They should announce tomorrow as the national holiday in india.

Posted by Porky_PigTheToon on (January 15, 2013, 13:34 GMT)

Burrraaah ! We won. This is what I call Team-Work ! Take this in your face Pak fans (those who were criticizing Team India the other day). Dhoni is a kind of player, Pak team can only dream to have. Can clear the ground so effortlessly at any point of the game.

And excellent performance by Jadeja both with bat and ball. I hope he continues to deliver. Ind need a player like him or I. Pathan at No. 7. And not to forget our new seamers Kumar and Shami - Both doing good job upfront.

Looking forward to the next ODI. Bring it ON !

Posted by ADB1 on (January 15, 2013, 13:32 GMT)

@Front-foot-lunge: Don't know if Dhoni showed poor sportsmanship any more than most contemporary players. The issue here is India's refusal to use DRS. Other countries should refuse to play India until they agree to fall in line with everyone else.

Agree, though, that this match is tainted and Dhoni's non-dismissal significantly altered the course of this match. India may still have won, mind, but we'll never know. The point being, with DRS, we would. Still, it's only an ODI.

As for Indian fans saying "What about Yuvraj?", according to the commentary (I didn't see the game) he probably got a nick given not out earlier on.

Posted by Cpt.Meanster on (January 15, 2013, 13:29 GMT)

Congratulations India on a comprehensive victory. Normal service resumes finally but we need to do more of the same in the rest of the series. On that note, this match will be well remembered for some really ORDINARY umpiring by Steve Davies and Vineet Kulkarni. Yes the Kochi crowd were vociferous but that cannot be used as an excuse for shocking decisions. Indian grounds will ALWAYS be noisy so the umpires need to do something before the next game. Without DRS, it's not easy but I am sure there is a solution to at least pick out edges on the stump microphone. I am totally for DRS cause without it, the umpires look silly.

Posted by bhrangi on (January 15, 2013, 13:28 GMT)

Congratulations India, I always worried about KP and Patel, They are very dangerous against India in India and they somehow proved that in last 2 ODIs . I am not big admirer MSD but nowadays he is great in doing his job as a batsmen. @ SL fans : Please don't thrash India pretending to be Eng or Aus fan, Please reveal yourself. And I still feel England is slightly better than India considering the form of our batsmen

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 15, 2013, 13:27 GMT)

@ Front-Foot-Lunge: Duh. Dhoni did not walk cos he was not out. Simple buddy. Bell wanted to bat EVEN AFTER being given out. The whole Eng team begged to Dhoni to take Bell back. You want your players to get double chances but Ind players should walk even when they are not out? But it is obvious you are now using this as an excuse nothing else. In 2 successive comments of yours you've moaned about Dhoni's appeal but not a word about Yuvi's wrong dismissal. Had Yuvi not been given out he would have smashed you folks all over. Just imagine, if Dhoni can score so much coming in so late, how many Yuvi would have smashed had he batted longer cos he was well set and looking to explode.

But fairness is something I'd hardly expect from most Eng fans --- esp the likes of you.

All you can do is complain, crib and make idiotic excuses like this. You lack the ability to reply coherently. In fact, you just can't reply. You are too daft to do that. Enjoy today's 127 run mauling.

Posted by SherjilIslam on (January 15, 2013, 13:27 GMT)

So finally England's struggle are over.... and so are their fan's to keep pushing the Dhoni incident!!!! Now do some serious postmortoem of your batting failure.

@Frontfootlounge: Even going by your standards, England could not manage 180 on the board!!So crying over dhoni dismissal...and concentrate on your own problems.

Posted by Akshita29 on (January 15, 2013, 13:26 GMT)

I am taking back everything that I have said about jadeja. Well done Jaddu.

Posted by bridgefort on (January 15, 2013, 13:25 GMT)

As an England supporter, let me start by congratulating Indian fans on their team's excellent performance. With each year, I feel Dhoni's stock rises, and that with so many questions being raised about his place and captaincy. A great innings from the Indian captain. And a great find in Shami too. With all that being said, I cannot comprehend Flower's fixation with Dernbach, or for that matter, Kieswetter. Buttler would be such a better replacement (av 58). Meaker might as well be trialed in place of Dernbach.

Posted by spiritwithin on (January 15, 2013, 13:25 GMT)

@Front-Foot-Lunge..will ya plz stop showing sour grapes now,and tredwell is england's 2nd best offspinner and 2nd best ODI spinner bcoz panesar does'nt play ODI's..how many more excuses u have to show..since u r giving too many excuses let me add one of my own-even without dhoni's 72 india wud have still won by 57runs and had umpire did'nt gave Yuvraj out the margin wud have been bigger..now stop acting like a child

Posted by Akshaythekaxk on (January 15, 2013, 13:24 GMT)

@front foot lunge u can just cry

Posted by The_bowlers_Holding on (January 15, 2013, 13:23 GMT)

I haven't seen the Dhonni incident so I cannot comment it was 74-4 when I tuned in this morning and India have bowled well since, so much for the slating they have been getting (mostly from their own fans). GSingh bloke, you come across like an 8 year old girl, and the other poster what is MEDICORE some sort of health plan? Well played India and England get rid of Dernbach.

Posted by BRUTALANALYST on (January 15, 2013, 13:21 GMT)

Imagine if SAMIT came at 4 the game would be completely different and with BUTLER in the 11 to finish instead of ROOT . . . that's how I'd pick this England 11 as well as HALES instead of KIESWETTER

Posted by SherjilIslam on (January 15, 2013, 13:19 GMT)

@frontfootlounge: Seriously you are talking about sportsmanship??? when were you, when Jonathan Trott, refused to walk in test match when he was clearly out caught behind and he stayed still in the crease and leaving no opportunity to hit a sort of dead ball of Jadeja for four.

Posted by DeathKnell on (January 15, 2013, 13:16 GMT)

@Front-Foot-Lunge - yes right if Eng did nt appeal & get away with Pujara's elbow catch in the test match, then the series would have been in India's favor.. excellent sportsmanship there....wow...

Posted by ste13 on (January 15, 2013, 13:07 GMT)

Dernbach should finally be sent to amateur level. How many more proofs England selectors need to confirm that he is below average.

Posted by Front-Foot-Lunge on (January 15, 2013, 13:05 GMT)

Well bowled India's spinners, you've shown you can draw level with Tredwell, who is England's 5th choice spinner don't forget. The match, as I'm sure you'll agree, has been completely overshadowed by Dhoni's Bad Sportsmanship. A captain under pressure refusing to walk, that's what we saw today, and would've made sure India were bowled out for 180. Poor sportsmanship.

Posted by Mitch1066 on (January 15, 2013, 13:01 GMT)

Seriously way people talk up players just cause they doing damage seriously one good game don't change decent batting side cook bell pietersen are good players end of . So don't over inflate results

Posted by BRUTALANALYST on (January 15, 2013, 12:59 GMT)

WHAT are England doing putting root in at 4 ? or to be honest even in the 11 ? He plays like a test match, is weak, never uses his feet and is no danger what so ever to any top opposition. Jos Butler is 10 x the batsman of Kieswetter I have no idea why he is not in the team either ?

Posted by ADB1 on (January 15, 2013, 12:31 GMT)

@landl47: I share your frustration re Dernbach. It's actually reached the point where I am feeling venomous towards the bloke, when by all accounts he's full of enthusiasm. Not his fault he keeps getting picked. Anyway, perhaps a positive from this game is that someone like Meaker will at last be brought in for Dernbach next game. But, then again, they'll probably bring back Bresnan instead.

Gutted for Woakes today. If Dhoni had rightfully been given out Woakes would have had 2-30 or some such, he would have had his tail up, and wouldn't have been smashed around by Dhoni at the end (though of course, Jadeja did very well).

Posted by Natraja on (January 15, 2013, 12:20 GMT)

It will be hard for India to adapt to rotation policy. Because if you keep them on bench for long. They forget how to bat. Look what happened to Rahane, he was warming the bench and now given a chance he is failing. same thing will happen to Pujara. After warming bench for a few games he will also forget his batting. I guess that may be the reason Dhoni doesn't want Kohli to warm the bench else he will also forget the art of batting. We are in tough spot.

Posted by simpleguy2008 on (January 15, 2013, 12:19 GMT)

DRS has to be there and it should come in the series against Australia permanently

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 15, 2013, 12:15 GMT)

@GerrardLK: With competition like 5Wombats, SirFreddieFlintoff, MattyOhMatty, Front-Foot-Lunge and a great many other notable ones, you suddenly zoom up to be called as the Best and the most likeable, most sporting, most unbiased English Fan here on cricinfo with that comment of yours.

@Hash_tag: If you come here I am sure you would again plead with him not to say anything like this. PLEAD is all you do to other fans but you ATTACK your own countrymen when they handle these fans in their own style. Well played buddy. I am sure you would enjoy having a cup of tea with the Chief Curator of Eden Gardens.

Posted by lokphy on (January 15, 2013, 12:14 GMT)

Didn't see the India innings, but what happened to Jadeja :). Is this is a dream? Also Pujara should be kept in playing XI

Posted by realfan on (January 15, 2013, 12:04 GMT)

oops the GREAT batting line up is disturbed by the MEDICORE bowler... or is it ORDINARY batting line by disturbed by TALENTED bowler?

sorry pomis.....

Posted by CarlP on (January 15, 2013, 12:04 GMT)

Not sure if anyone else is but I'm bored of some of the stupid comments that are appearing on this forum. Shame as we should be able to debate cricket in a sensible way without referring to football (@gsingh7) and suggesting a thrashing for England (what happened in the last few months in matches between these two sides). It's not banter and it's not funny or clever.

@KingMSC, just like India can't bat on tracks that aren't flat! We all have our strengths!!!

The blindness of some fans on here is amazing! This will be a tight game, the boundries are small, the pitch is pretty flat, I'm now off to enjoy the rest of the game!!

Posted by Natraja on (January 15, 2013, 12:04 GMT)

Gambhir is past his expiry. Drop him and include Pujara. Jadeja was bowling excellently in past matches but today he shined with bat and gave Kochi fans a chance to roar. Dhoni as usual was superb.

Posted by Cpt.Meanster on (January 15, 2013, 12:03 GMT)

@SherjilIslam: My friend, "GerrardLK" is a Sri Lankan supporter actually. He usually shows up in Indian threads to talk trash about team India. His comments are usually hilarious to read.

Posted by Cpt.Meanster on (January 15, 2013, 12:01 GMT)

@JChandi: First, please try to spell properly before commenting.

Posted by realfan on (January 15, 2013, 12:00 GMT)

as for rahane... this is what happens if A certain players WARMS the BENch for lonh time and no cricket to practice..... he is sort of out of touch.... i hope he will come back... and please allow pujara to play ranji if he is not going to be picked for playing11...lets not waste the RARE talent

Posted by realfan on (January 15, 2013, 11:56 GMT)

Posted by spiritwithin on (January 15 2013, 11:13 AM GMT) @ GerrardLK,no indian fans claiming the batting as deadliest but most english fans does giving excuses of having 2nd string attack,stop jumping so high bcoz this indian team is also very mediocre and when ur bowlers cant contain this average indian batting line up in both the matches it means ur team is not world class either,and how good was ur team was found out when SA beat eng in eng and when eng were washed 3-0 in UAE...so lets not show so much arrogance and try to give credit where it is due

exellent comment mate... fully agree with you..... i hope english fans learn something out of it.....

Posted by MEHATELK on (January 15, 2013, 11:52 GMT)

GerrardLK, you might have forgot three consecutive ODI SERIES defeat of yr country in yr own soil by india.so better to you concern yr team performance and yr country pitches first rather than commenting about other teams.we will see yr teams performance after sanga , mahela and dilshan retire.

Posted by realfan on (January 15, 2013, 11:52 GMT)

problem with england cricket fans is, they dont know cricket even though their ancestors created it.... they tend to believe that batsmen is out when their players appeal, and if appeal turned down, then umpires are being biased....its time for some maturity.... learn to be sportive guys...mistakes happen... like in TEST series ALAISTAR COOK was not given out like wat 3 time in one inning by ALEEM DAR , even though everything about he appeal were right.... thats why learn to be sportive....

Posted by Cpt.Meanster on (January 15, 2013, 11:51 GMT)

@CarlP: I think you just leap frogged my comments about DRS throughout the domain of Cricinfo. I am a staunch supporter of the DRS and would LOVE to have the system in place for every series. However, the reality (sadly) is that the BCCI will never implement it any time soon. So having said that, we have to make do. Dhoni should have been given out for sure. BUT... you cannot ignore how he walloped England's bowlers for a laugh. I mean... there was absolutely no guarantee he would make 70 odd after that shocking decision. No matter how many times you English fans keep yapping about it.. the BCCI will never consider using DRS any time soon. Sad but true.

Posted by Cpt.Meanster on (January 15, 2013, 11:46 GMT)

I think English fans like "Front-Foot-Lunge", "RednWhiteArmy" etc need to get their eyes checked. Yes Dhoni should have been given out. But how about Yuvraj being WRONGLY given out by Steve Davies when he had CLEARLY gloved the ball ??!!!!

Posted by realfan on (January 15, 2013, 11:45 GMT)

@richardror... yes wudnt hav reached 200 if yuvraj was given not out at first place.... it would have been 300+ if yuvraj was there.....

Posted by Cpt.Meanster on (January 15, 2013, 11:45 GMT)

@GerrardLK: Well we all know your Sri Lankan boys are doing EXACTLY that in Australia - Flying a kite that is... :D

Posted by KingMSC on (January 15, 2013, 11:44 GMT)

A bad umpiring decision will change the course of the game. There are far too many mistakes made by umpires in world cricket and it has to change. The Youvi has a big part of the game. maybe Dhoni might have been out, Cook was not out but given. I'll take 95% DRS decisions over these umpiring mistakes any day. DRS makes a lot less mistakes if any as compared to the umpires.

It's time to grow up and accept the fact technology is needed for the betterment of the sport, enough said.

Posted by   on (January 15, 2013, 11:38 GMT)

Guys, Pujara is a classic 1 down batsman. But currently that position is with Kohli. We don't even have a reserve opener in current squad. Yuvi, Raina, Dhoni forms a strong middle order. Like Australia, we can have rotational policy btw Pujara & Kohli to play as 1 down batsman. Pujara should not bat in lower order. He should not open too.. What we need is a better openers as Gauti is completely lost sum wr..

Posted by SherjilIslam on (January 15, 2013, 11:32 GMT)

@ Mr. Gerrard LK. Stop suggesting what Indian cricketers are all about.Why don't you simply concentrate on your own teams performance and giving them suitable names????, and why their record in India after flintoff show is so poor(Including two whitewashes) with more or less same set of players????

Posted by Des_65 on (January 15, 2013, 11:25 GMT)

Please send Pujara & Rohit to play for their respective Ranji teams to keep them busy.

Posted by KingMSC on (January 15, 2013, 11:24 GMT)

What a finish from India, Well played Dhoni and Jadeja. The 20 runs from the last over may just be the difference. Great batting and poor bowling from England. English bowlers can't bowl on well without assisting pitches, got the treatment they deserved.

Posted by JChandi on (January 15, 2013, 11:20 GMT)

285 is peace of cake against this ordinary balling attack.

Posted by gsingh7 on (January 15, 2013, 11:20 GMT)

english fanboys are howling for one decision against them( surely no reading on sniko) but ignoring their tormentor yuvi's bad luck( or umpiring mistake?) just like pool fans howl about suarez 's bad luck with refrees( surely no fault of himself??) , give it a rest excuse makers, its ur time to take this upcoming thrashing gracefully but being sore losers i dont think english fans wud be so sportmanlike

Posted by spiritwithin on (January 15, 2013, 11:13 GMT)

@ GerrardLK,no indian fans claiming the batting as deadliest but most english fans does giving excuses of having 2nd string attack,stop jumping so high bcoz this indian team is also very mediocre and when ur bowlers cant contain this average indian batting line up in both the matches it means ur team is not world class either,and how good was ur team was found out when SA beat eng in eng and when eng were washed 3-0 in UAE...so lets not show so much arrogance and try to give credit where it is due

Posted by CarlP on (January 15, 2013, 11:09 GMT)

@Cpt.Meanster having seen your comments on other threads I think that any comment you make should be taken with a pinch of salt, your ability to ignore facts appears to be second to none!

A great innings where he was obviously out at the start of it, accept that Yuvraj shouldn't have been given out but that's the point, DRS sorts out the majority of these issues and should be implemented. Then we could concentrate on Englands poor bowling in the final overs!!!

Posted by correctcall on (January 15, 2013, 11:07 GMT)

Lack of DRS really is impacting on the integrity of the game and effecting game outcomes. The rest of the cricket world really has to confront India and correct the current farcical situation. When an clear improvement is readily available it is illogical not to use it.

Posted by CricketBirbal on (January 15, 2013, 11:05 GMT)

Time to infuse more fresh blood/legs in fast bowling department by adding I C Pandey, Sandeep Sharma and Siddharth Kaul in place od Ishant Sharma, Dinda and Zaheer. Look how good Bhuvaneshwar and Shami Ahmed have taken to International cricket.

Posted by Charlie101 on (January 15, 2013, 10:57 GMT)

Will Gambir finally be dropped ?? Pujara is on the bench and there is no doubt that he has a very bright future in both Tests and ODIs .

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 15, 2013, 10:56 GMT)

The sheer hypocrisy of some Eng fans here needs to be exposed. Guys like Front-Foot-Lunge, richardror, RednWhiteArmy have made comments about Dhoni's so called not out decision but have not said a word about Yuvraj's wrong out decision. Guys, when you ppl are not fair in your comments then why do you cry when Ind fans expose you? Why do you ppl accuse Ind fans of being aggressive?

And @richardror: It would help if you checked your facts before you comment here. Dhoni was not on 0 when he was given not out neither did the slo-mo show any edge, forget about a BIG edge. As for Snicko, link it conclusively with bat before calling Dhoni out.

@ Front-Foot-Lunge: There is no conclusive evidence Dhoni nicked it. Besides, why should he walk when the umpire gave him not out? Ian Bell was given OUT, what did the entire Eng team do? They all REQUESTED Dhoni to call him back. And what do you have to say for the false catch Trott claimed in the Test series? THAT is a low, not this one.

Posted by GerrardLK on (January 15, 2013, 10:55 GMT)

So the flat track bullies scoring 100 in the last 10 overs against the 2nd string of English bowling attack. Now the Indian fans will jump over gloating they have the deadliest batting linep. Fly a kite!!!

Posted by salubaba13 on (January 15, 2013, 10:55 GMT)

i knew that england will win this match again ,if the attack of the indian bowlers are bad.

Posted by vikramsihag on (January 15, 2013, 10:53 GMT)

the beautiful imbalances and errors of life which make it exciting are mirrored in the game of gentlemen and should continue as we have to contend with them as gentlemen. the game is in itself a great equaliser of all the abberations. if dhoni was ruled not out when he was out then yuvraj was given out when he was not so too. stop whining and enjoy!

Posted by sirishred on (January 15, 2013, 10:50 GMT)

Big question on my mind. Still Pujara on bench only. He is in terrific form. Recently he scored 203 and 352. But still he didn't get ODI Debut

Posted by RajitD on (January 15, 2013, 10:49 GMT)

@Front Foot Lunge. Think you were watching a different match. Dhoni didint walk as he saw a yuvraj given out when he was not. DRS is needed, but that doesnt mean you put your moral judgement on lows and highs.

Posted by DeathKnell on (January 15, 2013, 10:49 GMT)

@Front-Foot-Lunge - u need to ease down buddy.. not getting into whether DRS is good or not.. but hey it is even-stevens..Eng players appealing for clear inside edge LBWs.. and well known no-bat catches (for ex. Pujara's wicket in the test series, which turned the whole result & series)..at the end of it both sides have to face the same situation..

Posted by TJAPUKAI on (January 15, 2013, 10:49 GMT)

Those who complain that" Dhoni didn't walk " thing should also know that Yuvi was out by umpiring error too. So with UDRS he would be not out.Who knows what would have been his contribution. So now it is Even Stevens. Sorry.

Posted by karthikramnatarajan on (January 15, 2013, 10:45 GMT)

People who are commenting here that Dhoni got a chance and thats why India scored so much should also recollect that Yuvraj was handed a wrong decision too. Had yuvraj not got out, Dhoni wouldn't have even come to the crease by then.. So stop whining and accept these things happen in cricket (with/without DRS)...

Posted by spiritwithin on (January 15, 2013, 10:44 GMT)

lol at all english fan crying foul of one wrong decision against Dhoni when just before that Yuvi was wrongly judged out and he's playing very well till then and he's more destructive than Dhoni,maybe i will say that bcoz of umpire india did'nt scored 300+,what about cook who was reprieved twice in the test series and both times scored big century,then i did'nt heared any excuses...both teams got one wrong and favourable decision in this match so wind it up and get on with the game

Posted by gsingh7 on (January 15, 2013, 10:42 GMT)

i expected 250 got lot more, i think ecb should sack jimmy and panesar and give top contracts to dernbach , woakes and finn , they are the real future of england in odi,s who will win first wc like how suarez will win liverpool their first epl. india is like cheslea lots of financial clout but in turmoil these days , also there is no man united in cricket, i think england have to wait for few decades before some fine foreign lad win them world cup

Posted by landl47 on (January 15, 2013, 10:42 GMT)

How is it that it is clear to everyone on the planet who follows cricket that Dernbach is not an international class bowler EXCEPT the England selectors? India must sit there every time the England side is announced with their fingers crossed hoping against hope that Dernbach will be in the team. Surely it can't happen again? But yes, there he is, career economy rate of 6.2, giving away another huge over at the death. He's shown over and over again that he isn't accurate enough to play at this level, but England persists in picking him imagining that somehow this time it will be different.

The experiment has failed. Dernbach was not, is not and will never be an international bowler. If England wants to be taken seriously in ODIs he has to go.

Posted by GerrardLK on (January 15, 2013, 10:41 GMT)

INDIAN CRICKETERS in summary:Batting line up- Sehwag, Gambhir & Rohit are just useless & nothing else to comment. Yuvi- A flat track bully, Virat- A good prospect, but still to be tested. MS & Raina- Only in subcontinent pitches & a walking wicket in overseas. Bowling attack- Ishant is just a big mouth but a pedestrian below average bowler. Dinda- He better try for long jump competition in Olympics rather than playing cricket. Bhuvanesh- Another P.Kumar in the making. Ashwin- Does not know anything about sportsmanship with his pause action bowling & on field miss behaviors. That concludes a pathetic display of Indian cricket. Feel sorry for their fans.

Posted by KannanAkil on (January 15, 2013, 10:41 GMT)

India should play with 7 batsmen and 4 bowlers. Bat: Gambhir,Rahane,Kohli,Raina,Rohit,Dhoni,Yuvi (Other wise change gambhir he is not in formand open with Rohit and Rahane and bring Pujara at 3 kohli is not suite for 3 he is good player but in 3rd place we need Dravid like player so Pujara should be in) Bowl: Ishant,Bhuvneswar,Shami/jadeja and Ashwin

Now india need agressive bowler like Sreesanth and Bhaji they will distract batsmen that would give wickets . Donot bring Zaheer,Munaf and Nehra they are poor in field that will be a foolish act.

Posted by ADARSH100 on (January 15, 2013, 10:40 GMT)

It is good to see Rahane in playing XI after a long time.. He has been heating the benches for long.. In my opinion, it is very bad not to let a player in the playing XI after being selected in the squad. if they were not selected they cud have played in the ranjis and wud hav developd their form insted of sitting and heating the Indian benches uselessly. Indian selection committe is pampering Rohit Sharma alot sayng he is an asset for the team as he play well in the nets.. For winning against a Team.. Player shud play in the ground but not in the Nets.. Hope, Pujara will deserve a place in Playing XI soon and wont b unfortunate like Rahane.. If he is not being a part of playing XI recently, Please send him to play for Ranji's to develop his armour.. PLZ

Posted by Cpt.Meanster on (January 15, 2013, 10:39 GMT)

@richardror: What a wonderful EXCUSE for such pathetic bowling from good old England !!!! How about giving some credit to MSD for such a brilliant knock. Yeah he should have been given out... but come on... I am sure it would have been OKAY had it been an English batsman. Btw, I am a staunch supporter of the DRS so don't get any wrong ideas.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (January 15, 2013, 10:39 GMT)

I'd be very interested to hear David Saker's explanation of why England seem to steadfastly refuse to bowl yorkers on limited-overs cricket. I understand that if you get a yorker wrong then you might go for runs but it seems to me that they went for runs using the plan they have, so maybe another plan might be worth a try. With his unorthodox technique, Dhoni is a hard man to bowl to when he's in the mood but that doesn't explain bowling badly to Jadeja.

Posted by Cpt.Meanster on (January 15, 2013, 10:37 GMT)

@RednWhiteArmy: Well Dhoni should have been given out. Having said that, you CANNOT deny the BRILLIANCE of Dhoni's knock. What do you expect him to do ??? Walk ? So much for India's death bowling problems... I guess England should also add their bowling at the death to the 'problems' list.

Posted by I_Love_Pakistan on (January 15, 2013, 10:34 GMT)

Excellent Inning from Jadeja. Very well played today.

Posted by Front-Foot-Lunge on (January 15, 2013, 10:29 GMT)

Dhoni insists on not playing by the same rules the rest have to follow. UDRS would have given him OUT. But he didn't walk, played on and made 66. Not walking when clearly out - this is a new low for Dhoni and India.

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 15, 2013, 10:28 GMT)

Hats off to Dhoni. The man is a one man army as of now. Without him India would be routinely 150 a.o. At the moment he is playing a role even tougher that what Sachin used to play in 90s. Sachin had the advantage of 1st 15 overs, deciding his tempo on his own, had able guys like Ganguly to help him but Dhoni is doing so well in conditions much tougher and usually on his own.

To all those who say Dhoni is selfish, well, Dhoni could get a lot more runs if he were to come up. He knows it too but prefers to bat low cos India need someone to stay in the end. He is giving so much chance to others to bat higher yet Dhoni is called selfish.

Most Ind fans put so much pressure on the bright ones that they burn for a while and then go out. We want Sachin to do all sort of things and when he fails we blame him. Dhoni has won 2 WCs, taken Ind to ODI and Test #1 - How many captians have done tha but we want him to do even more. We want an all conquering Ind team and blame Dhoni when team fails.

Posted by ADARSH100 on (January 15, 2013, 10:27 GMT)

DRS should be brought back into action.. there are many players who go out unfortunately... Its ridiculous not to have DRS for decisions of LBW,edge etc if there is third umpire sysytem only for run-outs.. :P

Posted by richardror on (January 15, 2013, 10:23 GMT)

India would not have got near 200 if dhoni hadn't been incorrectly given not out by the Indian umpire! Big edge when he was on 0. English players started celebrating and the umpire unmoved. Perhaps the home umpire knew dhoni was indias last chance (yes jadeja batter excellently however he wouldn't have done without dhoni at the crease).

Posted by Perera32 on (January 15, 2013, 10:22 GMT)

Well, it looks like England are the ones with the problem with Death Bowlers. More than 110 runs of the last 10 overs.

Posted by ADB1 on (January 15, 2013, 10:21 GMT)

Well, that was great. India refuses to use DRS, play in a cauldron where umpires can't hear nicks, Dhoni given not out, goes on to top score. Will England start their innings at 0-65 off about 7 overs to even things up a bit?

Posted by RednWhiteArmy on (January 15, 2013, 10:16 GMT)

Dhoni's innings was good for the BCCI's stoneagelike stance on UDRS. Thats why they oppose it.

Posted by 777aditya on (January 15, 2013, 9:37 GMT)

Yuvi's dismissal again brings to the fore the never ending DRS dilemma. I think BCCI knows it is definitely worth it, but now it has become a prestige issue. It might not be perfect, but it is certainly much better than the on-field umpires, with replays, different angles, hot spot, tracker, etc. And for the last time, Pujara has to play, even if it means we have to drop Gambhir and ask either Pujara or Jadeja to open with Rahane (Rahane deserves more chances and we all know how Dhoni hates dropping Jadeja).

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 15, 2013, 9:26 GMT)

@t20-2007: Perhaps you are Ind judging by suffix 2007 in your handle but I couldn't stop myself from seeing the inherent contradiction in your comment. Your handle here is perhaps about Ind'a WT20 2007 win, you are making a comment in an article about a live ODI match and your comment is about other teams wanting or not wanting to play Tests with India?

Posted by Nish_US on (January 15, 2013, 9:15 GMT)

For once I agree with the featured comment.....this one deserves to be at the top..

Posted by Nish_US on (January 15, 2013, 9:13 GMT)

From the way I see it, Rahane is under pressure being kept on sidelines for a very long time.. finally getting his chance.. (something that would happen to Tiwari when he comes back.. whenever that would be..... you will do the samething to pujara & rayudu if you keep them out for a long time)..

on the other hand seeing his very experienced colleague survive two LBWs and a catch to slips... definitely did not help his confidence....

You've got talent... and then people out of form... you are losing every game anyway....

Send the experienced out of form to domestic/List-A on foreign tours.... get the new crop in .. give them exposure...

find a balanced team for the next WC...

You are already losing every game..for a world champion in this format....... you cannot do any worse..

Posted by Nish_US on (January 15, 2013, 9:08 GMT)

In the past few years, I've only seen Gambhir gain experience in poking prodding playing tentatively, nicking to slips, dragging on to the stumps

I think he is trying to master getting bowled now, after which there is nothing else to learn and hopefully will bow out.

Posted by gsingh7 on (January 15, 2013, 9:00 GMT)

250 is winning totl her , come on team blue , 1.2 billion hearts bleed blue , we want 4-1 thrashing of poms, come on INDIA

Posted by t20-2007 on (January 15, 2013, 8:53 GMT)

You come to field with the same bunch of losers and expect it would be a different story today...this is insane...because of this attitude nobody wants to play test matches with india...except anothr set of similar species(Nz,Bang,ZIM).

Posted by CarlP on (January 15, 2013, 8:53 GMT)

Why such objection to the DRS from India, such a shame as it seems to always be a talking in games as opposed to the games themselves?!!! Given their stance it's a cheek that the players (such as Yuvi did) moan about decisions, maybe they could have a word with the BCCI first!!!

Perhaps when Tendulkar retires they'll accept the logic of the system (and won't have the fear that it might give him out at some point) and realise it's the best system we have.

Unless of course they have an alternative motive to damage test cricket so they can play more T20's and more focus on the IPL.......

Posted by Rajesh_india_1990 on (January 15, 2013, 8:43 GMT)

opportunity for every Indian to get into the Indian team:just change your name into gautam gambhir,rohit sharma...India is sinking at the moment ....thank god this pitch is not a rajkot road...

Posted by A_Vacant_Slip on (January 15, 2013, 8:41 GMT)

I do hope these bad umpire decision do not cost England the game. No surprise to see that money still talk in India.

Posted by Akshita29 on (January 15, 2013, 8:39 GMT)

Just spoke too soon . Dhoni just got a lucky break due to DRS. Now Dhoni would never let BCCI to take DRS. Enough said of DRS . Can Indian bowlers defend whatever the batsmen might achieve here ?

Posted by S.Seshachalam on (January 15, 2013, 8:33 GMT)

Now Gambhir needs to be shown the door immediately. He only talks big without performing. Kick out all the non performers and clean up the team either now or Indian cricket will perish for ever with every defeat,,,,

Posted by richardror on (January 15, 2013, 8:31 GMT)

Once more no DRS hinders England after dhoni given not out by the home Indian umpire.

Posted by   on (January 15, 2013, 8:30 GMT)

Kohli is improving "consistantly" now after 13 in 3 match against Pakistan. 15 in Rajkot and 37 in Kochi. When all top order batsman are doing well, why should they try for inexperience player like Pujara.

Posted by   on (January 15, 2013, 8:19 GMT)

If Dhoni don't like to see Pujara in playing eleven except any batsman injure. Why selector choose him in team, let him play Ranji Semi Final.

Posted by ArMd on (January 15, 2013, 8:07 GMT)

Ishant still in!!!!!!!!! india is gonna lose again........he is clueless wer n how to bowl these days.........

Posted by Akshita29 on (January 15, 2013, 8:06 GMT)

I am an hardbore Indian cricket fan and yet I dont understand the logic for BCCI opposing DRS.

Posted by DeathKnell on (January 15, 2013, 8:03 GMT)

The way Rahane got out, makes me feel nervous..never did he give moments of comfort so far in his venture...other than few IPL success stories..while it is needed that some youngsters fill in Maestro's place, it is also necessary that some class & consistency are maintained..

Posted by Akshita29 on (January 15, 2013, 8:03 GMT)

I am and always be a supporter Of DRS. I am bit sad for yuvi . Bt very happy that both BCCI nd Dhoni's blind thinkinig towards DRS has come to haunt them . Yeah India deserve to get bad decisions once in a while as it's BCCI who are opposing DRS.

Posted by Sports4Youth on (January 15, 2013, 7:53 GMT)

@ Khawaja Fahad :- It looks like you want to have some or the other Akmal in the team at any cost. I dont understand your comment about commparing first class stats.

Both these Keepers are playing the same Domestics First Class Tournaments. Inspite of that, over the years Sarfraz has a batting average of 42 and Adnan has a batting average of 24. If Adnan is better than Sarfraz in the same first class tournaments then why is his averages so low.

Regarding your other comments about ODI average again you are not comparing properly. Because during the same period Kamran has played more mathes and just to accomodate Kamran he was given opportunity to bat at number 1, 3, 3 or 6,7 but nothing workded. Now have you see what average Kamran has produced during the same time.

Posted by Captain_Fool on (January 15, 2013, 7:47 GMT)

Ridiculous selection of the playing 11, only Kohli, Dhoni and Yuvraj deserve a place in the playing 11..The rest need to be shown the way before its too late for the 2015 world cup.. Dhoni and Yuvraj find their places in my 11 cos the matches are being played in India

Posted by MSRed on (January 15, 2013, 7:38 GMT)

Ishanth should have been replaced instead of Dinda. Dinda got wickets and was better than Ishanth.

Posted by sumanyu_bhatnagar on (January 15, 2013, 7:29 GMT)

I am not a Keralite and I can easily say that at any pitch in this world, batsmen have to spend atleast some time to read it. It seems these days Indian Batsmen have vowed to not to do this...

Posted by Nish_US on (January 15, 2013, 7:23 GMT)

You want to see what form looks like..... see yuvraj.... feet moving excellent... still tentative outside off... but form can cover for lack of technique...

and then you have the combination of technique and form on offer in Pujara.. and you refuse Come on Dhoni....

Posted by Nish_US on (January 15, 2013, 7:18 GMT)

Well something radical needs to happen to make this Indian team back on track...

Think out of the box...

Make raina open, drop gambhir and get pujara in at No 4 (Kohli deserves that position for a little longer at least in the ODIs)

It is foolish... to try the same thing time and again.. and expect a different result every time....

Posted by baranasai on (January 15, 2013, 7:17 GMT)

It is not good that Pujara is made to sit when Ghambir is keep getting chances along with Kohli Jadeja etc.why not they rotate the strike force by giving chance to platers in form by rotation than giving chnaces to players who are in off form. The bowling as well needs to be pruned a bit as people like Ashwin Jadeja have to sit outside and some other bowlers should come

Posted by Dalena on (January 15, 2013, 7:11 GMT)

Missing Sehwag Big Time. . He would hav batted well in these conditions. . Time for Dhoni to Step down from Captaincy . . India is loosing almost every match. . Choose some 1 else for captaincy. .Viru Rocks

Posted by Nish_US on (January 15, 2013, 7:05 GMT)

Last ODI at Rajkot I was crying for Pujara to be in...... Just want to see every ball in action before asking again..

and looking at the way the batsmen have played so far.......I do not think Dhoni would dare to leave him out in the next ODI

Lets see how stubborn he can be...

Posted by Nish_US on (January 15, 2013, 7:02 GMT)

Virat deserves his chances..... after all he was the ODI cricketer of the year and has own few games for india..... but another inside edge to the boundary...

I do not think even bangladesh or Afganistan, Canada or any minnow will bat so tentatively or feel the pressure...

No confidence what so ever....

Posted by KingKongIn on (January 15, 2013, 6:57 GMT)

I should stop watching cricket when India is playing...another wicket down :(

Posted by Whatsgoinoffoutthere on (January 15, 2013, 6:57 GMT)

"...Tim Bresnan who misses out due to a slight niggle"

The sight niggle being the worst form of his entire professional career??

Posted by CricketBirbal on (January 15, 2013, 6:56 GMT)

@RockcityGuy: Now that Gambhir has gone for 8, Pujar will be on the sheet for the next match. However Rahane should be allowed a few more games though he also fell for 4.

Posted by Nish_US on (January 15, 2013, 6:55 GMT)

@Harmony111

How many more chances does Gambhir deserve....

survived two plumb LBW shouts, got a four off the edge to the slips and finally bowled out....

With his tentative approach, made some ordinary bowling from dernbach and Fin look spectacular.... even putting pressure on the man at the other end....

no feet movement, same poking and prodding

Posted by KingKongIn on (January 15, 2013, 6:54 GMT)

So Gnabhir is gone...not sure why evry time India comming up with same team and loosing...can't we give some chances to other players...try Pujara as opener, include Raydu..why raydu has included in the team and then why he excluded without giving any chances...only god can save India !!

Posted by RockcityGuy on (January 15, 2013, 6:39 GMT)

@Ramesh Kulal : Really....??? Kohli...???are u out of your mind???he's the number two batsman in the world for good reason...loss of form happens to everyone...but not for 3 years like gambhir....

Posted by CricketBirbal on (January 15, 2013, 6:38 GMT)

@Ramesh Kulal: That won't happen till Kohli loses his form permanently. Dhoni does not believe in Australian way of not letting the bad form continue for long and dropping the non performing player so that he picks up his game quickly and is back. Look how Finch and Khawaja were dropped for not performing in 2 games. And look what Dhoni has done to Rohit Sharma by playing him for so long in bad form. Poor Rohit has forgotten to bat now.

Posted by ir_prathik on (January 15, 2013, 6:33 GMT)

Shami in for Dinda , There is a god.. Now can some one please ask dhoni to explain why Pujara who has the best avg in domestic ODI not selected. Pujara has scored 2700 runs at an avg of 57 . He is the most prolific run getter in the Vijay Hazare series so it it clear that he made for ODI as well .. Stats dont lie. Cmon Dhoni be sensible , Raina is the No1 T20 Batsmen but 50 overs hes never been consistent . Replace Raina with Pujara or Gambhir in either case PUjara will be the No 1 ODI batsmen in years to come wait & Watch.

Posted by gulzee on (January 15, 2013, 6:30 GMT)

Finally india's dream fulfilled of batting first on flat batting tracks...lets see what happens..

Posted by MSRed on (January 15, 2013, 6:28 GMT)

May be I am mising something here but why Dinda was dropped, who took two wickets and continue Ishanth who was way too expensive particulary in death overs?

Posted by realfan on (January 15, 2013, 6:23 GMT)

and why is ASHWIN in the team????? Mishra is way better than ashwin , and ojha is better bowler than ashwin even in ODI...... or may be Mishra and Ojha are not CSK players.....

Posted by   on (January 15, 2013, 6:22 GMT)

i think we need one more change in this indian squade... Bring Pujara in .. in place of virat kohili...

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