India v England, 2nd ODI, Kochi January 15, 2013

Dhoni 'best in world' - Cook

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Alastair Cook, England's captain, described MS Dhoni as one of the hardest players in the world to bowl to at the death after his counterattacking 72 from 66 balls late in India's innings provided the platform for their 127-run victory in the second ODI. Dhoni and Ravindra Jadeja added 96 in ten overs for the sixth wicket, taking apart England's inexperienced attack during the closing stages of the innings, and Cook said that coming up with a field and a bowling plan for his India counterpart was extremely tough.

"He [Dhoni] is probably the best player in the world in those situations, in these conditions," Cook said. "He does it time and time again. He's incredibly hard to bowl at and with that extra man in the circle, it's very, very hard to stop on these flat wickets."

Although James Tredwell conceded just nine runs combined from the 42nd and 44th overs, Cook opted for his pace trio of Steven Finn, Jade Dernbach and Chris Woakes at the death but they failed to keep a lid on India's scoring rate.

"You're always going to have hindsight, but probably one batsman you don't want an offspinner bowling to is Dhoni," Cook said. "We've seen him a number of times and with a spinner at the end, it's very hard to bowl to him. So, look, clearly when you get hit for 68 runs in the last five overs, you think, maybe you could have done things differently. But at the time, for me, it was a very big gamble to make."

The win drew India level at 1-1 in the five-match series but, despite the emphatic result, the top order again struggled, falling to 119 for 4 just past the midway stage of the innings before Dhoni, Suresh Raina and Jadeja rebuilt. The bowlers bounced back from conceding 325 in Rajkot to dismiss England for 158 but Dhoni said problems remained in both departments and they could not hope for the dominance of recent ODI series between the two sides in India.

"We're going through a stage when we don't have the same firepower when it comes to the bowling department. Our batting department is not able to convert those starts into a big innings. But we're fielding really well, and that's a big positive for us," he said.

Dhoni described the failure of the batsmen to go on when well set as a "big problem". He said: "If three or four batsmen make 50, then it's important at least one or two of them go on to make at least 75. So that the new batsmen coming after them, when say two quick wickets fall, then they won't feel that much pressure. I think it's very important. If you look at the good side, our batsmen are getting starts. Yes, I would like them to convert their starts to a big innings so that it won't put pressure on the rest."

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  • Porky_PigTheToon on January 16, 2013, 7:16 GMT

    Don't know if Dhoni is Best in The World. But he certainly is The Best Finisher of the Game ! I think, he has the highest average and SR too in winning causes. Except his defensive field settings in some matches, I just love everything about him. Captain, WK, Hard-Hitting Batsman, Can ball too when needed, Takes all the pressure on himself and what not. Certainly 'The Player' any team would love to have.

    And Boy ! His love with Pakistan team is well-known. He just loves to make mockery of Pakistani bowlers. In his first tour to Pak, when he used to have long-brown hair, Afridi tried to provoke him but Dhoni simply gave him a SMILE and moved on. This is what makes him Special ! And things have not changed even now. A few weeks ago too, he was hitting Pakistani bowlers all over the park !

    It amazes how easily he hits the ball for SIX even without dancing down the wicket. I don't think anyone can hit "HELICOPTER" shots for SIXES like he does.

    Treat to watch.

  • 123cric on January 16, 2013, 3:36 GMT

    Dhoni has been an amazing ODI player, one who reads the game better than anyone. he started his career as a slogger but later adapted his game to suit the requirement. Not many in International cricket can mold their game depending on the situation. Sehwag is a prime example he never assess the situation and just play in his usual slam bang ways and we aall know he hasn't been a ODI success considering the opportunities he has got and the position he bats. I rate Dhoni the best ODI batsman of his time because he bats mostly at critical times and more often then not finish the job and don't let it half done for others.

  • jmcilhinney on January 16, 2013, 2:53 GMT

    I said after the ODI leg of India's last tour of England that Dhoni was one of the best ODI batsmen in the world and I've seen nothing since to change my mind. I find him unconvincing in Test cricket, both as a batsman and captain, but I'd probably pick him in my World XI. His unorthodox style does make him very difficult to bowl to in the later overs. Having said that, Jadeja was caning the bowlers late in the innings too, so I think that the main problem was just that the England bowling wasn't great.

  • Aussasinator on January 15, 2013, 22:06 GMT

    The most emphatic and game determining player in the ODI world is MSD. He is priceless and its something a country cannot seem to appreciate. He is always batting for 2-3 players in every game.In the last 10 years there is not a single player barring Yuvraj who can bat India either to a win or into batting safety. his 40s and 50s have been more valuable and match clinching than many a centuryby leading ODI scorers across the world.Hhe can get century after century if he bats higher up but he's changed his entire batting style to meet the team cause. Hats off Sir MS Dhoni.

  • Shan156 on January 15, 2013, 19:34 GMT

    Cook is absolutely right. Whatever his shortcomings in tests are, Dhoni has been phenomenal in ODIs. The records speak for themselves. With the possible exception of Amla, no other batsman comes close to Dhoni's consistency in ODIs and Dhoni is second to none as a "finisher" in world cricket atm.

    I wouldn't be too critical of Cook. He is trying to make do with the resources at his disposal. Even with our first choice team, this Indian team (which itself is missing the likes of Zak, Yadav, Praveen, Irfan, Aaron, and Munaf) would be too strong for us in these conditions in ODIs. You can't do much when the opponent is more talented than you are but I was disappointed with the way England batted. Getting bowled out in 36 overs shows a lack of fight. It was as if they made up their minds that the target was way out of their reach and tried simply hitting out. Why not try Buttler instead of Kieswetter?

  • Harmony111 on January 18, 2013, 21:59 GMT

    @kristee:

    One final thing. Even at Sydney where as per you run making is easy and so should not count for much, we should see just how many did SRT and RT made.... After all, making the most of an opportunity is also a skill, agree?

    Let's see:

    SRT: 5 Mat, 9 Ins, 785 Runs@157, SR of 61. RT: 16 Mat, 27 Ins, 1480 Runs@67, SR of 63.

    What do we see?

    We see that SRT has scored more than half the runs of RT in only one-third of tests/innings at more than twice the avg at nearly the same SR.

    So my dear, we see that in tough conditions, in easy conditions, in mutually away conditions SRT is either miles miles ahead of RT or if he is behind then he is behind by a miniscule gap.

    With this, I am done. I hope you will come up with some fresh idea to somehow give a new twist to SRT's record and make it look less nice....

  • Harmony111 on January 18, 2013, 21:29 GMT

    @kristee:

    Alright let's try your "Exclude Sydney" point. ST in Aus (-Syd):15 Mat, 1024 Runs@35.31 with 3 100s & 5 50s, SR of 57.43 RT in Ind (Agg): 14 Mat, 662 Runs@26.48 with 1 100 & 5 50s, SR of 51.39

    Even though your "Exclude Sydney" point is weird, what do we see when we use it?

    We find that even then SRT has scored much more runs than RT in a similar no of matches & similar no of innings (29/25) at a higher avg (obviously) with more scores of 50+/100+ at a higher SR and has also scored more 4s and more 6s.

    If your point was that Sachin had only scored runs in the flatter/familiar conditions of Sydney then this comment proves that even in those conditions that you think were tough/alien SRT has a better record than what RT has in India AS A WHOLE.

    And if you really want to talk of the toughest wicket in Aus The WACA there too SRT's avg is 37.66 compared to RT's 38.60. Wow, what huge lead RT has there over ST, right?

    Now, let's see what RTs record is if we exclude 2002-07 :-p

  • Harmony111 on January 18, 2013, 20:05 GMT

    @kristee: Highly selective.

    To begin with, there is no conclusive evidence for you to say Dhoni was indeed out on 6. The sound on snicko might have come form his bat brushing the shoes or pads. Thus your contention that he was OUT is based on no evidence.

    What I do find hypocritical is that while you talk of Dhoni's so-called dismissal that wasn't given and the extra runs it gave to India, you said not a word about Yuvraj's clear wrong dismissal and the runs that Ind couldn't score as a result. Add to it that had Yuvi not been given out wrongly, Dhoni would've never been there.....So your wud've/cud've is built on weak and flawed premises. In any case subtract the extra 66 runs Dhoni got and you get 219, Eng wud've still lost even after considering your point.

    Btw, Bell was lbw in the 7th over in 1st ODI, went on to score 62 xtra runs while India lost by 9 runs - Tring Tring.

    And is Sydney not a part of Aus anymore? Why do you want to exclude it? Weird point....

  • kristee on January 18, 2013, 13:54 GMT

    Harmony111, I meant while playing in Subcon't. Dhoni was out in the last match when on 6 but got away and India won largely thanks to his heroics thereafter. And hence my sentiments on DRS. Indians seem to be fancying they get away more often without DRS; otherwise they'd have already embraced DRS. Ponting's India jinx is altogether a different subject. Exclude Sydney from the equation involving Tendulkar and you can see how much flattered is his Oz exploits.

  • Harmony111 on January 18, 2013, 12:12 GMT

    @kristee: So in an article that talks about Dhoni's skills you've somehow managed to bring in DRS?

    And while you are free to have your opinion about anyone or anything, what do you mean exactly by best in subcontinent? Best in subcontinent conditions or best among subcontinental batsmen? If you meant the former then let me tell you that on the same pitch where Dhoni blasted Eng bowlers the whole of Eng Team cudn't even last 40 overs or score 200 runs - so it must be tough for them to bat EVEN in subcontinent conditions. And Mr. Ponting will tell you how easy it is to bat in these conditions. And oh, Aus were 74 a.o in 26 in HOME conditions today - must be a pathetic team right that can't even bat at home.

    As for DRS, on what basis do you say that having DRS will mean Ind will struggle? It's all your fishy idea.

    So cos BCCI does not find DRS worth the cost and is not happy with its claims you say it has vicious designs? And Brisbane proved DRS will help BOTH teams so what's ur point?

  • Porky_PigTheToon on January 16, 2013, 7:16 GMT

    Don't know if Dhoni is Best in The World. But he certainly is The Best Finisher of the Game ! I think, he has the highest average and SR too in winning causes. Except his defensive field settings in some matches, I just love everything about him. Captain, WK, Hard-Hitting Batsman, Can ball too when needed, Takes all the pressure on himself and what not. Certainly 'The Player' any team would love to have.

    And Boy ! His love with Pakistan team is well-known. He just loves to make mockery of Pakistani bowlers. In his first tour to Pak, when he used to have long-brown hair, Afridi tried to provoke him but Dhoni simply gave him a SMILE and moved on. This is what makes him Special ! And things have not changed even now. A few weeks ago too, he was hitting Pakistani bowlers all over the park !

    It amazes how easily he hits the ball for SIX even without dancing down the wicket. I don't think anyone can hit "HELICOPTER" shots for SIXES like he does.

    Treat to watch.

  • 123cric on January 16, 2013, 3:36 GMT

    Dhoni has been an amazing ODI player, one who reads the game better than anyone. he started his career as a slogger but later adapted his game to suit the requirement. Not many in International cricket can mold their game depending on the situation. Sehwag is a prime example he never assess the situation and just play in his usual slam bang ways and we aall know he hasn't been a ODI success considering the opportunities he has got and the position he bats. I rate Dhoni the best ODI batsman of his time because he bats mostly at critical times and more often then not finish the job and don't let it half done for others.

  • jmcilhinney on January 16, 2013, 2:53 GMT

    I said after the ODI leg of India's last tour of England that Dhoni was one of the best ODI batsmen in the world and I've seen nothing since to change my mind. I find him unconvincing in Test cricket, both as a batsman and captain, but I'd probably pick him in my World XI. His unorthodox style does make him very difficult to bowl to in the later overs. Having said that, Jadeja was caning the bowlers late in the innings too, so I think that the main problem was just that the England bowling wasn't great.

  • Aussasinator on January 15, 2013, 22:06 GMT

    The most emphatic and game determining player in the ODI world is MSD. He is priceless and its something a country cannot seem to appreciate. He is always batting for 2-3 players in every game.In the last 10 years there is not a single player barring Yuvraj who can bat India either to a win or into batting safety. his 40s and 50s have been more valuable and match clinching than many a centuryby leading ODI scorers across the world.Hhe can get century after century if he bats higher up but he's changed his entire batting style to meet the team cause. Hats off Sir MS Dhoni.

  • Shan156 on January 15, 2013, 19:34 GMT

    Cook is absolutely right. Whatever his shortcomings in tests are, Dhoni has been phenomenal in ODIs. The records speak for themselves. With the possible exception of Amla, no other batsman comes close to Dhoni's consistency in ODIs and Dhoni is second to none as a "finisher" in world cricket atm.

    I wouldn't be too critical of Cook. He is trying to make do with the resources at his disposal. Even with our first choice team, this Indian team (which itself is missing the likes of Zak, Yadav, Praveen, Irfan, Aaron, and Munaf) would be too strong for us in these conditions in ODIs. You can't do much when the opponent is more talented than you are but I was disappointed with the way England batted. Getting bowled out in 36 overs shows a lack of fight. It was as if they made up their minds that the target was way out of their reach and tried simply hitting out. Why not try Buttler instead of Kieswetter?

  • Harmony111 on January 18, 2013, 21:59 GMT

    @kristee:

    One final thing. Even at Sydney where as per you run making is easy and so should not count for much, we should see just how many did SRT and RT made.... After all, making the most of an opportunity is also a skill, agree?

    Let's see:

    SRT: 5 Mat, 9 Ins, 785 Runs@157, SR of 61. RT: 16 Mat, 27 Ins, 1480 Runs@67, SR of 63.

    What do we see?

    We see that SRT has scored more than half the runs of RT in only one-third of tests/innings at more than twice the avg at nearly the same SR.

    So my dear, we see that in tough conditions, in easy conditions, in mutually away conditions SRT is either miles miles ahead of RT or if he is behind then he is behind by a miniscule gap.

    With this, I am done. I hope you will come up with some fresh idea to somehow give a new twist to SRT's record and make it look less nice....

  • Harmony111 on January 18, 2013, 21:29 GMT

    @kristee:

    Alright let's try your "Exclude Sydney" point. ST in Aus (-Syd):15 Mat, 1024 Runs@35.31 with 3 100s & 5 50s, SR of 57.43 RT in Ind (Agg): 14 Mat, 662 Runs@26.48 with 1 100 & 5 50s, SR of 51.39

    Even though your "Exclude Sydney" point is weird, what do we see when we use it?

    We find that even then SRT has scored much more runs than RT in a similar no of matches & similar no of innings (29/25) at a higher avg (obviously) with more scores of 50+/100+ at a higher SR and has also scored more 4s and more 6s.

    If your point was that Sachin had only scored runs in the flatter/familiar conditions of Sydney then this comment proves that even in those conditions that you think were tough/alien SRT has a better record than what RT has in India AS A WHOLE.

    And if you really want to talk of the toughest wicket in Aus The WACA there too SRT's avg is 37.66 compared to RT's 38.60. Wow, what huge lead RT has there over ST, right?

    Now, let's see what RTs record is if we exclude 2002-07 :-p

  • Harmony111 on January 18, 2013, 20:05 GMT

    @kristee: Highly selective.

    To begin with, there is no conclusive evidence for you to say Dhoni was indeed out on 6. The sound on snicko might have come form his bat brushing the shoes or pads. Thus your contention that he was OUT is based on no evidence.

    What I do find hypocritical is that while you talk of Dhoni's so-called dismissal that wasn't given and the extra runs it gave to India, you said not a word about Yuvraj's clear wrong dismissal and the runs that Ind couldn't score as a result. Add to it that had Yuvi not been given out wrongly, Dhoni would've never been there.....So your wud've/cud've is built on weak and flawed premises. In any case subtract the extra 66 runs Dhoni got and you get 219, Eng wud've still lost even after considering your point.

    Btw, Bell was lbw in the 7th over in 1st ODI, went on to score 62 xtra runs while India lost by 9 runs - Tring Tring.

    And is Sydney not a part of Aus anymore? Why do you want to exclude it? Weird point....

  • kristee on January 18, 2013, 13:54 GMT

    Harmony111, I meant while playing in Subcon't. Dhoni was out in the last match when on 6 but got away and India won largely thanks to his heroics thereafter. And hence my sentiments on DRS. Indians seem to be fancying they get away more often without DRS; otherwise they'd have already embraced DRS. Ponting's India jinx is altogether a different subject. Exclude Sydney from the equation involving Tendulkar and you can see how much flattered is his Oz exploits.

  • Harmony111 on January 18, 2013, 12:12 GMT

    @kristee: So in an article that talks about Dhoni's skills you've somehow managed to bring in DRS?

    And while you are free to have your opinion about anyone or anything, what do you mean exactly by best in subcontinent? Best in subcontinent conditions or best among subcontinental batsmen? If you meant the former then let me tell you that on the same pitch where Dhoni blasted Eng bowlers the whole of Eng Team cudn't even last 40 overs or score 200 runs - so it must be tough for them to bat EVEN in subcontinent conditions. And Mr. Ponting will tell you how easy it is to bat in these conditions. And oh, Aus were 74 a.o in 26 in HOME conditions today - must be a pathetic team right that can't even bat at home.

    As for DRS, on what basis do you say that having DRS will mean Ind will struggle? It's all your fishy idea.

    So cos BCCI does not find DRS worth the cost and is not happy with its claims you say it has vicious designs? And Brisbane proved DRS will help BOTH teams so what's ur point?

  • Harmony111 on January 18, 2013, 12:01 GMT

    @Ashootosh Bhardwaj: Remembering does not mean I remember it frame by frame or in terms of pictures. I just know it. I'd never seen that last ball 6 by Miandad till YT came but I knew about it even as a child. I'd never seen or heard Jimi Hendrix ever in my life till a few yrs back but I just knew that he was one hell of a guitarist. I'd never heard the Godfather Theme but when I heard it the 1st time it sounded so familiar. None of us saw Bradman making that famous 0 yet we know he was out for 0 in his last innings. A very large no of Ind movie fans have perhaps never heard K L Saigal explicitly yet if you ask them they would say they know about him and would tell you about his style of singing.

    My examples talk of great ppl and not of grt performances necessarily but I hope you got the drift. :-)

  • kristee on January 18, 2013, 4:49 GMT

    One of the best in subcontinent, rather. And perhaps the very best in India. The extent to which his country depends on him is being exposed in almost every match. That's why one tends to believe India would have struggled in their latest match if DRS was there. It's a pity that BCCI's vicious designs leave cricket this miserable. Sceptics' attention is invited to what happened today at Brisbane.

  • Al_Bundy1 on January 17, 2013, 23:08 GMT

    Dhoni is India's best ODI batsman ever!! Sure 10dulkar might have scored more centuries but he was never a match winner. But Dhoni is overworked. He needs to give up Tests or T20. His body will break down if he keeps playing all 3 formats.

  • GrindAR on January 17, 2013, 22:53 GMT

    @Albert_cambell : Love it

  • GrindAR on January 17, 2013, 21:31 GMT

    think about this article: http://blogs.espncricinfo.com/itfigures/archives/2010/03/the_top_players_of_the_past_40.php

    Blindly take the top 12 and have a match with them.

    Wether they are lauded or not. The statistics prove how much value they bring in as a player on the filed, in a given day consistently.

    1. 60.80 Kallis J.H Saf 31.06 29.74 2. 57.42 Pollock S.M Saf 27.16 30.26 3. 56.96 Tendulkar S.R Ind 26.57 30.39 4. 55.30 Wasim Akram Pak 23.97 31.33 5. 55.17 Imran Khan Pak 28.10 27.07 6. 54.38 Kapil Dev N Ind 25.24 29.14 7. 53.48 Hadlee R.J Nzl 27.14 26.34 8. 52.83 Waugh S.R Aus 26.92 25.91 9. 52.12 Jayasuriya S.T Slk 21.50 30.62 10. 51.83 Richards I.V.A Win 23.17 28.66 11. 51.75 Botham I.T Eng 27.47 24.28 12. 50.65 Muralitharan M Slk 25.58 25.07

    This team need not have to worry about batting depth or striking bowling. Love it

  • reghuh on January 17, 2013, 20:54 GMT

    India should focus on atleast any one of the 5 major things if they should not falter any more in this series and in future ODI's 1) Drop Ishant Sharma OR 2) Field a team without Ishant Sharma OR 3)Make Ishant Sharma the XIIth man/drinks man OR 4) Rest Ishant Sharma OR 5) Give chance to some bowler other than Ishant Sharma

  • on January 17, 2013, 17:43 GMT

    @Harmony111 well you are talking about not remembering some of Bevan's innings while you clearly remember Kapil's 175, which were never telecast on TV as BBC was on strike that day, so there is no recording of that match :D

  • RandyOZ on January 17, 2013, 16:39 GMT

    England really are on the slide, bordering on freefall. The cupcoboards are absolutely bare.

  • Johanngeorge6 on January 17, 2013, 15:44 GMT

    I have to agree with cook, his recent performances since world cup has been superb as a 'Finisher' or we could say 'Game Changer". As a no.1 fan of Dhoni its great to see him rise. In situations when Dhoni is pressurised about promoting himself above the order, thats his choice, because according to his recent best performances, he takes his time on the field or he's ready to attack. According to the facts about the current Indian team with Bhuvaneshvar Kumar and Shami Ahmed, they both make the better pace duo with more support from the spin bowlers like Ashwin, Jadeja and Yuvraj. That shows again the team is slowly emerging.

    The thing I'm worried about is the support from Team India, the top order is not doing that well. I feel the team should bring in Pujara as opener and go with different options, Maybe Kohli as opener. I think Gambhir should be rested as he's been playing a lot of cricket, some things are worth trying, plus its never too late for anything.

  • Harmony111 on January 17, 2013, 13:47 GMT

    Un_Citoyen_Indien:

    Add the typical http prefix to that link, it shud work. I had to remove it cos I was not sure if cricinfo allows posting of full links or not.

    As for the knocks of Kallis and Bevan you talked of, do we remember any of them? I do remember that knock of Bevan vs NZ where aus were perhaps 5 or 6 down for very little but that too cos I saw a repeat of that match on Star Cricket once.

    For me a great knock is a knock that you just know about - whether u've seen it or not.

    Just about everyone knows who Einstein was. Just about everyone knows who Ghalibh was, even if that person does not know much about physics or Urdu poetry. When a person plays a great knock somehow all the other aspects also get well known. Ofc as time will pass old knocks will get more and more blurry but at least of the last 25-30 yrs one would know all the grt knock. Be it Kapil's 175 or Ricky's 140 or Gibbs' 175 in THAT match etc.

    Yes my def is subjective but take it a group level.

  • Un_Citoyen_Indien on January 17, 2013, 13:13 GMT

    @Harmony111: That link didn't work :(

    Yes, the stat relating to Dhoni clearly shows that he is an all terrain performer so to speak.

    I don't know how one can define a 'special knock'. It's too subjective IMO. Bevan's 77 odd against the Windies (4 off the last ball) was a special knock IMO, as was his 90 odd against the Kiwis after the Aussies were 7 down for very little.

    Kallis's first test 100 against the Aussies in which he helped the Saffas draw the game against an attack comprising of McGrath, Warne and Gillespie....., his century against the Indians in 2010 that prevented them from winning their first series against SA in SA was also special.

    Dravid's 233 against the Aussies at the SCG in a winning cause, not to mention the 188 in the great Calcutta Test of 2001 (in which Laxman scored 281). I'd call those great knocks as well.

    For me, greatness is that which comes good under severe pressure. Greatness needn't always be pretty or thrilling or captivating.

  • Harmony111 on January 17, 2013, 11:41 GMT

    @Un_Citoyen_Indien: Here's the link to that blog that I told you about.

    The best batsman, across years and formats - espncricinfo.com/itfigures/archives/2010/01/_sachin_tendulkar_on_top.php

    I am unable to find the exact article that talked about ODI performers but once you go in there you should be able to find it.

  • Harmony111 on January 17, 2013, 10:16 GMT

    I had no idea Dhoni had scored nearly half of his runs away and only vs the stronger teams. This man is greater than I thought him to be.....

    In fact I had no idea Dhoni avgd more than Bevan. It somehow has been common talk that how Bevan was the greatest ODI player blah blah....Do we remember ONE special knock from him? I'd always ask this question for any player who is talked of as the greatest or among the greatest. This is why I don't think Kallis is among the greatest in either ODIs or Tests even though he may be a very good batsman. Saeed Anwar - Yes he is. D'Silva - Yep. Jayasuriya - Yes. Ponting - Yes. Yuvi - Not Yet. Dravid - No. Ganguly - Yes. SRT - Ha Ha. Gilly - Yes. Hayden - May be. Viv - Ha Ha. Gower - Maybe No. KP - Maybe. etc etc.

  • cric_J on January 17, 2013, 8:39 GMT

    Not saying this just because I am an Indian,but Dhoni is definitely the most "consistently hammering" finisher in ODIs that I have seen. And mind you that it is not everyone's cup of tea to come in at no. 7 and have the carreer average that he has. There might be better slammers than him when batting at other positions but none of them will be able to bat as well as Dhoni at no. 7.

  • Shamsi1982 on January 17, 2013, 7:24 GMT

    This is life , fans just days back they bashing MSD and asking question about his captaincy and his place Now you all Make him Mighty Player .

  • Un_Citoyen_Indien on January 17, 2013, 7:21 GMT

    @ ms hyder: It's really disappointing when people make assumptions or harbour beliefs without adequate research.

    For your information, here is M.S. Dhoni's record against all strong teams (Australia, South Africa, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, England, West Indies and New Zealand) OUTSIDE India.

    Runs Scored: 3,065 Inns. Batted: 92 Ave: 45.07 Str. Rt: 82.86 24 Half Centuries

    There are plenty of batsmen who would more than happily settle for such an impressive record.

    Once again, I repeat the above figures are agains all strong teams and outside India.

  • jmcilhinney on January 17, 2013, 6:40 GMT

    @mshyder on (January 17 2013, 06:21 AM GMT), Dhoni played some good innings in the ODIs on India's last tour of England too. He is better in his home conditions, as everyone is, but he is one of the best finishers in the game anywhere.

  • mshyder on January 17, 2013, 6:21 GMT

    Please ! Read carefully what Cook said " best player in the world, in those situations, IN THESE CONDITIONS". So Dhoni's greatness is limited to home conditions and docile pitches. Admitted he is a good players but in alien conditions on responsive wickets he seems pretty ordinary. Please do not over hype these courtesy remarks by cook. Visiting captains often say such things to make local fans happy. They donot mean much. Let the record speak for itself.

  • jmcilhinney on January 17, 2013, 0:42 GMT

    @Shan156 on (January 16 2013, 22:26 PM GMT), I found it interesting that Buttler was preferred to Bairstow as keeper for the T20s but he did a very good job. People say that his keeping is raw and Somerset obviously think that Kieswetter is a better keeper but I think that he's worth a go. Unlike Kieswetter, Buttler looks inclined to hit out or get out. It's been more get out initially but hit out has been getting more common. Kieswetter just hasn't looked like changing his ways. As for Dernbach, I thought that he had potential but he just hasn't looked like fulfilling it in the ODI arena. The complete lack of yorkers from England bowlers is obviously a frustration to many, myself included. For all the good David Saker has done, I would be interested to hear him explain exactly what the plan is for the bowlers in ODIs to determine whether it's the bowlers or the plan that are most at fault. Obviously all the leg stump bowling so far wasn't part of the plan though.

  • Al_Bundy1 on January 16, 2013, 23:02 GMT

    Dhoni is one of the best in ODI. But he is way over-worked. He needs to give up one format - Tests or ODI. I believe Dhoni has done more for Indian team than Tendulkar ever could in his 22 years, even though I agree Dhoni is not even half as good batsman as Tendulkar.

  • Shan156 on January 16, 2013, 22:26 GMT

    @jmcilhinney, of course, CK alone cannot be blamed for this loss but, as you said, this has been the case with him in almost all his games. An average of 22 from 25 games is very poor, a SR of 112 notwithstanding. CK's stats are very similar to Matt Prior. Hopefully, England won't give him 68 games before deciding that he is not good enough at this level.

    Buttler should be given a chance for the next 3 games. England need to decide on their WK batsman for the CT and beyond. And they need to do it soon.

    The other problem is Jade Dernbach. Don't know what the selectors see in him but he has been a consistently poor performer for us. His variations mean very little when he clearly lacks control. Also, do any of our bowlers know how to bowl the yorker?

  • Harmony111 on January 16, 2013, 21:19 GMT

    @EVERYONE:

    Look at this fellow Mister KiwiRocker, I've caught him here. His claims are totally false and he doesn't even have the decency to admit his mistake and say sorry for his frivolous claims against India and Sachin.

    Some days back I challenged him to prove his weird claims. The link is .......espncricinfo.com/india-v-pakistan-2012/content/story/599853.html?....

    He never took that challenge up - cos he just couldn't prove his false claims. I threw it at him again and again, he never replied.

    Look at him. Here he's saying that he has already answered to my challenge and he gave some other article as the place where he posted the answer to the challenge. And what did he post on THAT article's forum? Here I am quoting him from ...espncricinfo.com/india-v-england-2012/content/story/600922.html...

    "Harmony111: Just scroll down and you go your answer...."

    And when u scroll down, u get NOTHING of that sort. :-o

    KiwiRocker: YOU HAVE BEEN EXPOSED HERE.

  • Harmony111 on January 16, 2013, 21:00 GMT

    @Un_Citoyen_Indien: I suggest you divide this figure by the no of matches played only. That will give you the index as to how that player performed on an average through out his life.

    Just to tell you, some years back Mr Anant on Cricinfo blogs had taken up this task. He had done it for Batsmen and Bowlers for ODIs and Tests. It was a pretty exhaustive analysis and covers nearly all aspects that one would think of.

    I am sure you can find it in the archives of cricinfo. Pls search for it and if possible pls post the link here for easy reference. And better, just copy-paste the results of that list for both Tests and ODIs here to give a fitting touch to your effort which should not go in vain...

  • Harmony111 on January 16, 2013, 20:43 GMT

    @Albert_cambell: Firstly, I believe you are a person who got even his username wrong due to a typo, shows how carefull you are to what you type. So Mr Campbell, if you are trying to be a troll here then pls read some stuff on how to be a good troll. Your pathetic attempt to do some trolling here does not even take off.

    Try again buddy. Sip some coffee, read some thing on trolling and then try again...

  • Albert_cambell on January 16, 2013, 20:31 GMT

    Dhoni-Big match player. Kohli-Big mouth player, Harbhajan,sehwag-Big headed player. Tendulkar- Mr.stats.

  • Un_Citoyen_Indien on January 16, 2013, 20:25 GMT

    @ Harmony111: I see where you're coming from and had considered the exact same points. I suppose it is all a matter of perspective at the end of the day (that's what makes statistics so intriguing). You'd reward the guy who played for longer with consistent success over the guy who played less but achieved relatively more in that short period.

    So let's see things your way for a bit. The formula has changed now to: Runs x Avg. x Str. Rt. The new top 10 list reads:

    1) Tendulkar

    2) Ponting

    3) Jayasuriya

    4) Kallis

    5) Inzamam

    6) Ganguly

    7) Lara

    8) Gilchrist

    9) Sangakkara

    10) Dhoni

    :) I wish Hayden could've made it to this list (since he was my favourite player) but he didn't get enough chances to do so. I don't believe that was his fault either.

    Un Citoyen Indien? It's French. It means: 'An Indian Citizen'.

  • maddy20 on January 16, 2013, 20:12 GMT

    Flat wickets? Are you kidding Mr.Cook, the ball was seaming like nuts(especially the new ball)and it was spinning as it got older. So you are not saying you were bowled out for 158 on a flat wicket are you? I am not saying its a bowling paradise, but its a good wicket with fair balance between bat and ball. I still think England could have cased it down had they batted more sensibly. Their batsmen looked to sweep everything bowled by spinners and constantly poke at balls seaming away. Reminded me of India's batting failure on their last tour of England, when the seaming conditions made life miserable for them!

  • Un_Citoyen_Indien on January 16, 2013, 20:10 GMT

    @jgeorge: Thank you simplifying my formula. Frankly, I do feel a little stupid for not having seen that (well actually, I did see that and came up with an alternate formula that I just wasn't satisfied with). The formula I considered was this: (Runs x B.P.D. x Str. Rt.)/ B.F. I just wasn't very thrilled with the results I got (Gambhir and Sehwag both in the top 10).

    I confess that I let my prejudices against these players (based on their current form) get the better of my judgment and stuck with the older formula. The above formula can be further simplified (by cancelling common parameters) into Ave. x Str. Rt.

    The new Top 10 is:

    1) Dhoni

    2) De Villiers

    3) Richards

    4) Hussey

    5) Bevan

    6) Tendulkar

    7) Sehwag

    8) Symonds

    9) Clarke

    10) Gambhir

    Do you think the earlier formula Which was Avg.^2 x Str. Rt. was unsuitable (basically for it's double emphasis on Avg.)? That's what I felt.

    Gambhir in the top 10. Hmm he sure was a very good performer until recently.

  • Sal76 on January 16, 2013, 20:00 GMT

    Holy crap...some of you have too much time on your hands. Teams will be good sometimes and bad sometimes. There have been times when Team India was on a roll and looked set to take on any Team in ODI's and sometimes even Tests, but then they had a slump in form. The West Indies dominated the 70's and early 80's, but in the last decade, they probably slumped to their lowest form ever. What about the Kiwis, haven't seen a Kiwi Team being demolished like the way they have been in recent times. Even the mighty Aussies were struggling until not too long ago and post Inzi, Pakistan were a wreck. Bottom line is, every Team has highs and lows. Take a chill pill and enjoy the sport people.

  • Harmony111 on January 16, 2013, 19:50 GMT

    @KiwiRocker: Ha Ha so cos as of now NZ are going through a bad phase so you don't comment there? Talk of being fair weather fans....that is, if you were indeed a Kiwi fan. All your comments show two things: That you are a Pak supporter and second that you have a pathological dislike, even hatred for anything Indian.

    And btw, NZ won a test in SL some time back. That by all means was not a bad phase.....I didn't see your comments there too.....

    What kind of a Kiwi fan you are? You don't comment in articles related to them when they lose and you don't comment in articles related to them even when they win....

    It is obvious that you are not Kiwi at all, you've put on that moniker cos you want to attack India anyhow but on the shoulders of New Zealand's name.

  • Harmony111 on January 16, 2013, 19:32 GMT

    @Un_Citoyen_Indien: Well, it is your formula and you can put in whatever you want. I got no issues with it. But I would say that generally one should make a formula first and then see what it gets. One should not beforehand penalize some specific player or make alterations to take into account some individual's sob story.

    In your case, it seems SRT was penalized (I've not verified it so I cud be wrong) for having played a lot of cricket while Huss etc got some advantage cos they got in late. In fact intuitively one wud say that SRT deserved extra points for being able to stay on top for so long (3x of Hussey).

    P1 wins 3 Golds in 1 Olympics while P2 wins 7 in 4 Olympics. Who is more successful? Or rather, who is greater? I guess most tables will say P2 unless I made a table where I only took Medals per Olympic saying P1 was unlucky cos he started playing late and was too old to play a 2nd Olympic.

    btw, what does Un_Citoyen_Indien mean? Greek or Latin?

  • johnal on January 16, 2013, 19:30 GMT

    wow all the nice comments about ms dhoni.just a few days ago everyone wanted his headi like how dhoni puts his critics to rest.he is just a great player india have two good young bowlers to work with shammi and kumar .nice come back

  • jgeorge on January 16, 2013, 19:07 GMT

    @Un_Citoyen_Indien, you are some math wizard...killer formula you have devised. Why don't you make it a bit more complicated? Effectiveness = (Runs x Avg. x Str x BPD) divided by (BF)...do you realize, there is BF in the numerator of BPD and that cancels the final BF? If you cancel the common items in numerator and denominator and re-arrange, the formula is Effectiveness = Avg.^2 x Str.

  • SamRoy on January 16, 2013, 18:49 GMT

    @ScottStevo Listen mate, Bevan can't hold a candle to Isaac Vivian Alexander Richards. Bevan's strike rate is 75 and he played in the 90s and 2000s. Viv's strike rate is 90 and he played in the 80s when a strike rate of 60 was considered good. Bevan with his weakness against short pitch bowling doesn't even make the top few batsman. The best are Viv, Sachin, Gilchrist, MSD, Jayasuriya, Hussey, ABD, Haydos, Ponting. Its Viv and then the rest (huge gulf between him and second best Sachin); not Bevan and then rest. Only some one-eyed Australian supporters think so.

  • Un_Citoyen_Indien on January 16, 2013, 18:18 GMT

    @ Harmony111: I actually thought about that a bit. Division would seem to cancel them out but I still went with that parameter (i.e. balls faced) in addition to Balls Per Dismissal. That's because not using the balls faced parameter seemed to be unfair towards some of the less fortunate batsmen (Hayden and Hussey being classic examples) who weren't able to play a whole lot of ODI's because of delayed selection (both were in their 30s when they became permanent fixtures in their sides) as compared to say a Tendulkar who was fortunate enough to be selected while very young and hence played more than twice as many games as some of the other batsmen in the list.

    So to summarise, I basically used the balls faced parameter to even things out a bit and to ensure a fair comparison.

  • Un_Citoyen_Indien on January 16, 2013, 18:09 GMT

    For those of us confused about what qualities make an outstanding ODI player, let me try to explain:

    The ideal ODI batsman is someone who:

    A) Scores a lot of runs before being dismissed (i.e. high batting average). e.g. Bevan (53), Dhoni (52), De Villiers (49), Hussey (48) and Richards (47).

    B) Survives a lot of balls before being dismissed (i.e. high average balls per dismissal). e.g. Bevan (78 BPD), Greenidge (69 BPD), Kallis (66 BPD), Chanderpaul (64 BPD). Interestingly, Sehwag has the worst BPD (34) among his peers in the 5,000 run club. A fact that goes heavily against him.

    C) Scores rapidly (i.e. high strike rate). e.g. Sehwag (105), Gilchrist (96), Richards and De Villiers (91)

    Blend these attributes evenly and you have the ideal ODI batsman. Currently, the man that most closely conforms to this ideal is M.S. Dhoni. And his numbers back that claim......

  • Un_Citoyen_Indien on January 16, 2013, 17:54 GMT

    @ Full-Blooded-Wallop: Thanks.

    @ ScottStevo: Do you have any logic/ rationale to back up your overriding admiration and regard for Bevan's accomplishments? Bevan #1 and then...daylight? Oh really? Then perhaps you can explain why he strikes at a meager 73% to Dhoni's 88%. Mate, just do the math. I even gave you the formula to make it easier........

    @ landl47: :) I'm sure there are a few more than 60 players to get over 5,000 ODI runs (I can't be bothered to do a statsguru search for the exact number right now). I filtered out batsmen averaging less than 30 runs in my search parameters. Pietersen (with about 4,000 odd runs) is the highest run aggregator among English batsmen. Sanga and Sanath were brilliant but where Sanga suffers from slow scoring (strike rate of 77), Sanath suffers from an average of about 30, hence they both drop out of the top 10.

    Alastair Campbell was a Zimbabwean middle order batsman of the late 90s and early 2000s.

  • Harmony111 on January 16, 2013, 17:45 GMT

    Err, whats Kallis doing in this list of top 10 ODI batsmen? And btw, what's Clarke doing there too? I wud say Clarke is a better ODI batsman than Kallis but none of them have anything of note be in this list. Can anyone recall even ONE SINGLE KNOCK of note by Kallis in ODIs? On the other hand, Kallis may be blamed for SA's defeat vs Aus in WC 2007 when he scored at his own tortoise rate completely unaware of the match situation.

    Undoubtedly Viv, SRT, Hussey shud be in that list. Whether Bevan shud be there is debatable. There are arguments for and against him. I guess its too soon for ABD to be in any list of all time greats/effective. As for Hayden and Symonds, that is 50-50 for them too.

    If one talks of being EFFECTIVE then why Jayasuriya is not there is not clear to me.

    Aah, I am sorry, it was based on a formula and not a subjective list. Alright. The only thing I would point out is why is the BALLS parameter used twice in BPD & BF? Division sort of cancels them out...

  • Bigizzy on January 16, 2013, 17:21 GMT

    @Chrishan - Batting against the New Ball is actually easier in ODI since that is the time the batsman is under less pressure (in particular if you are an opener). Also opening the batting provides you with more opportunities to make big scores whereas later in the order your chances of making big scores are far less. Dhoni's record in ODIs as a batsman is just better than Gilli's (both home & away). These are just facts.

  • anoop3301 on January 16, 2013, 17:20 GMT

    @ScottStevo - has michael bevan achieved any patent which makes him unquestionably the best ODI batsman ever ? a very high batting average in ODIs can be respected only if you have an equally excellent strike rate. There are plenty of batsmen who average less than Bevan but have a brilliant strike rate. Viv richards tops the list of best ODI batsmen ever. Sachin and Dhoni follow. Bevan hardly faced quality pace attack in ODIs. Considering that he was so notoriously vulnerable in tests against short pitched deliveries, he does not stand a chance if he had to face Lillie, Holding, Marshall,Garner in their prime even in ODIs. Also, Bevan's strike rate pales in comparison to contemporaries like Mark Waugh, Steve Waugh, Hayden, Gilchrist,Ponting etc. Bevan is still one of the best ODI batsmen ever due to his uncanny ability to finish games (just like Dhoni but less destructive) and would be in the top 10 all time list but nothing more due to his below par strike rate.

  • gsingh7 on January 16, 2013, 16:51 GMT

    best batsman in odis of all time , bevan was overrated as he played far less matches than dhoni will play aslo he was in strong team whereas dhoni carries whole team on his shoulders ala sachin used to do, bevan got inflated stats being selfish at fag end of innings whereas dhoni keeps country before the self

  • Full-Blooded-Wallop on January 16, 2013, 16:41 GMT

    @Scottstevo: You got to be kidding.Dhoni is ahead of Bevan in all departments.Bevan always had a strong team around him.So lesser responsibilities, he wasn't a captain and neither was he a keeper.So his work-load was zero infront of MSD.Moreover he was an accumulator( strike rate 73, clearly suggests it) Dhoni takes all the burdens on this earth, yet has scored runs more runs than bevan in lesser number of innings, has hit more centuries and more half centuries and also have a far far superior strike rate...a bit of research before commenting is never bad :)

  • ProdigyA on January 16, 2013, 15:23 GMT

    Thank you Mr. Cook but I hope BCCI does not take him seriously. Dhoni is the best in business, no question about that - but FOR ODI's ONLY. Pls drop him from Tests. We have faced enough humiliation.

  • kumarcoolbuddy on January 16, 2013, 15:16 GMT

    @KiwiRocker, better luck next time. I don't know what happened in this match but India has been a big victim for umpiring mistakes since long time regardless of DRS is used or not. Pain is always pain for everyone. You feel pain only when you experience it.

  • Akash_11 on January 16, 2013, 15:00 GMT

    yes... He is one of toughest batsman in the world. His hundred against was evident of it... He is averaging 83 from 2011 world cup. His capability playing under pressure makes him special. The way he paces his inning is Treat to watch.. What to say about his fitness, keeping wickets, playing match turning innings also the Captaincy. Its hard to describe pressure on Indian Captain.. He inspires me in my life too... Hats off to Dhoni..!

  • SamRoy on January 16, 2013, 14:51 GMT

    As an ODI finisher he is better than Bevan and Hussey. As an ODI batsman he is only behind Viv, Sachin and Gilchrist and better than everyone else. Though I will still say he is a poor test captain.

  • ScottStevo on January 16, 2013, 14:16 GMT

    @Un_Citoyen_Indien, You need to calm down, mate. That list you've got there is grossly inaccurate! The number one ODI batsman ever (for whichever category you'd like to choose from) is Michael Bevan. After that there's Sunshine, Daylight and A Country Mile...then you can start discussing other batsmen...Then comparing Watson's test record to Dhoni's as they are both "all rounders" is irrelevant really...

  • inswing on January 16, 2013, 14:14 GMT

    Dhoni the best ODI player going around. But he is not a good captain in any form of cricket, and is not a good Test player. He should be replaced as captain. However, who to replace him with is the question. Is it not clear that Kohli is ready yet. And there are no other players whose place in the team is certain. So India can make do with Dhoni for a year or so while Kohli matures or another stable player emerges.

  • landl47 on January 16, 2013, 14:11 GMT

    @Un_Citoyen_Indien: Fascinating. I'm amazed that there are 60 batsmen who have scored 5,000 ODI runs- I don't believe a single English player has done that. I'm also amazed that there are no Sri Lankans in the top 10; Sanga and Jayasuriya are among the best ODI players I've seen.

    And you have me totally stumped. Who is Alistair Campbell? I've never heard of him. At first I thought you might have made a mistake and meant Alistair Cook, but since he doesn't meet your criteria (hasn't scored 5000 runs) it can't be him. You've got me there!

  • Un_Citoyen_Indien on January 16, 2013, 12:04 GMT

    The top 10 Most Effective Batsmen in the history of ODI cricket:

    1) M.S. Dhoni 2) A.B. De Villiers 3) Michael Bevan 4) Michael Hussey 5) Sir Vivian Richards 6) Sachin Tendulkar 7) Michael Clarke 8) Matthew Hayden 9) Jacques Kallis 10) Andrew Symonds

    In that very order. Note that I used the adjective 'effective' and not say 'great' or 'best' as that becomes highly subjective, relative and therefore contentious.

    Here are the parameters that I considered:

    1) Career Runs Scored (Runs) 2) Career Avgerage (Avg) 3) Career Strike Rate (Str) 4) Avg. Balls Per Dismissal (BPD) 5) Career Balls Faced (BF)

    Here is the formula I used:

    Effectiveness = (Runs x Avg. x Str x BPD) divided by (BF)

    Qualification Parameters:

    1) Minimum 5,000 ODI Runs 2) Minimum Average of 30 3) Minimum Strike Rate of 60%

    The list is 60 batsmen long and the last man on that list is Alistair Campbell.

  • Ayub_marc on January 16, 2013, 11:49 GMT

    As a captain everybody praising Dhoni for his excellance game plan but Sanjay manjrekar and Ganguly why always criticising Dhoni? May Ganguly has fair reason that after Dhoni's entry to Indian team ganguly ignored in team but what for Manjrekar? They both criticising Dhoni for Aswin. Aswin is a unstoppable player in indian team as a allrounder. Whenever we saw the commentry or some talks why they blaming Dhoni? After Dhoni's captaincy only India going high nowadays All International Captains astonishing his captaincy skills Why they like that? Cab anybody say?>>...

  • Fast_Track_Bully on January 16, 2013, 10:47 GMT

    @ KiwiRocker. Funny to see that Pakistan who is running on old horses like Afridi , Rasaq, YunusKhan etc has better bench strength than India. First look at own pieces and then comment on others.

  • SRIDWI on January 16, 2013, 10:19 GMT

    Guys! when it comes to fitness, do please remember a name KAPIL DEV, the greatest all-rounder that India has ever produced. He played 131 tests in 16-year old career without being dropped due to fitness ( he was dropped for a test by Gavaskar for an unjustifiable reason is a different story ). Also during the same tenure, he played 225 one day internationals and have won several tournaments including the World Cup 1983. 16 year long career for a fast bowler all-rounder without a break due to fitness is something phenomenal and a history

  • anexpat on January 16, 2013, 10:15 GMT

    Dhoni has been in amazing form recently. He is the only player in the team who has been performing consistently. When given good support, as yesterday, he is the match winner. The problem lies in the opening department. Once again he was left to pick up the pieces . Ishant is expensive and ineffective and should be replaced immediately by any fit fast bowler available. Despite yesterday's excellent victory, why I still don't feel confident of this Indian team? Consistency is missing.

  • Nutcutlet on January 16, 2013, 10:05 GMT

    Whilst I have severe reservations about MSD as a Test player, let alone captain, in the 50-over format he reigns supreme as a destructive finisher. No side, it seems, & can contain him - so much so that should India score only 80 off the final ten, most opposing captains would probably mark that down as a plus! When he summons that other bat (What does he call it? The Terminator, or just Arnie?) we know that the match is about to be decided. The rest has been no more than garnish! It can be argued that his presence with 10-12 overs to come decides the match. The effect is much more than arithmetic; psychological damage, the cricketing equivalent of shell-shock, is also evident & it is now the task of all captains attempting to counter MSD's destruction to come up with an answer. Good luck! All this said, England didn't play well enough to win & the batting, the underrated Samit Patel apart, seemed to have lost focus & allowed Dhoni's India to run away with the victory.

  • KiwiRocker- on January 16, 2013, 9:53 GMT

    Harmony111: You have been busy posting too much instead of reading reponses. I actually also have a life...:). There is nothing to comment about NZ cricket at this moment. It is in sad shambles! Two best batsmen,i.e Jess Ryder and Ross Taylor are not even in team. We are more focused on rugby now a days...! I gave you a good response. Here it is desi: http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-england-2012/content/story/600922.html?comments=all#usrcomment

  • bridgefort on January 16, 2013, 9:24 GMT

    You can't say it for tests, but Dhoni has to be one of the best ODI batsmen going around, and without a doubt, the current best ODI finisher. I personally feel that more than any other batsman in the Indian lineup, Dhoni's is the wicket we need to get. He's very adept at reading match situations in this format. His field placings for Cook, standing up to KP while keeping faith in his young bowlers is a credit to any captain.

    We need a definite game plan when taking him on. Bowling wide isn't working. It was only when Finn bowled wicket to wicket that it looked like there was a smidgen of a chance in slowing him down. Onions might be key. Does Dhoni have a penchant for any particular areas?

    Anyway, I salute you Dhoni.

  • RednWhiteArmy on January 16, 2013, 9:19 GMT

    Best in the world at not walking when he's hit the cover off the ball.

  • Un_Citoyen_Indien on January 16, 2013, 9:10 GMT

    Another interesting thing I noticed while doing a comparison among all-rounders: Dhoni's test average of 38 is better than Shane Watson's average of 37! And his test strike rate at 60% is better than Watson's at 50%.

    Yet, some people feel that Watson is a more accomplished batsman than Dhoni. Numbers say differently. They're both all-rounders but Watson bowls infrequently these days (and gets injured whenever he does on a regular basis). In fact, I read that he is now considering playing in the team purely as a batsman and won't even bowl occasionally as Kallis does.

    On the other hand, Dhoni almost NEVER gets injured (a testament to his amazing levels of fitness), doesn't skip games, squats about 300 times every ODI and still performs with the bat!

    And he's a 2 time World Cup, 2 time Asia Cup and #1 ranked test skipper as well. Talk of shouldering responsibility.

    His job profile includes being accountable to the BCCI and millions of his fans, handling the media and his sponsors.

  • nahan on January 16, 2013, 9:02 GMT

    A flop Skipper in Best bating form...

  • thegoodgame on January 16, 2013, 8:50 GMT

    First you win us over with your cool composure and determined batting over days and days; now you win us over with grace even in the face of defeat. Mr.Cook, you're a leader, champion and a gentleman! Thumbs up for not being hyper competitive in words and bringing some old world grace to this fantastic sporting contest. (from India)

  • india_patriot on January 16, 2013, 8:44 GMT

    @kiwiRocker: well then you ought to ponder more about the Kiwi side bro....b cos they would definitely need your 'Intellectual' advice at the moment.

  • Harmony111 on January 16, 2013, 8:35 GMT

    @KiwiRocker: If you are a Kiwi fan who supports NZ first and then Pak why did I not see even 1 comment of you on the SA-NZ Test/T20 related articles?

    Anyways, your usual rantings against India aside, when are you going to respond to the challenge that I posed to you on .......... espncricinfo.com/india-v-pakistan-2012/content/story/599853.html?.............

    It's high time you did that. If you don't then it raises serious questions about your honesty and genuineness.

    It has been so many days. If your claims had any weight then why don't you come forward and prove your claims in spite of so many reminders from me? What are you scared of now?

    Are you scared of being exposed? Are you worried that your bluff will be called? I guess it already has been.... :-p

  • Mr_cricket_Rahul_not_hussey on January 16, 2013, 8:30 GMT

    @KiwiRocker,The Indian team also has done the same thing to pak when India toured Pakistan last time, won test series in Pakistan, infront of Pakistan crowds and with Pakistani umpires. If you dont have short term memory loss , remember In 2008 India won test series in England too.

  • Mr_cricket_Rahul_not_hussey on January 16, 2013, 8:24 GMT

    @KiwiRocker, So you are against India and Australia, that speaks for itself, thanks for your love for India, and regarding intellect, you seem to be more intellect in Bashing India, when it is not even playing any of your favorite nations. This is a sport, support any team(s), don't go against any teams. If you are doing so, you are bound yo have a STRONG reason, without that you are a weed.

  • AM_Rocker on January 16, 2013, 8:20 GMT

    I think & I believe that "MS Dhoni" is todays worls's best ODI player. Not only because of his batiing but also for his most underratted thing "Wicket keeping". He is as good a wicket keeper as he is a batsman. he always takes the responsibilty to finish the innings as his not outs suggest.

  • on January 16, 2013, 8:11 GMT

    Cook is amazingly graceful here. Most likely, Dhoni was out caught at 6 but given not out, and Cook was not out but given out, both by the Indian umpire. In addition, Dhoni is one of the main reasons the umpire decision review system is not being used. Cook could easily have mentioned all of that. (In fact, I am sure if it was the other way, Dhoni would have blamed the umpiring. Dhoni did criticize the umpiring after a recent match and the India team did not applaud Cook's 100 in the first test because they thought Cook was out early.). Instead, Cook complemented Dhoni. A true gentleman Cook. The game of cricket needs more of these kind of characters. I wish you the best, Captain Cook.

  • DaisonGarvasis on January 16, 2013, 8:02 GMT

    That's how you EARN RESPECT. By putting yourself in your opponent's mind. Letting the opponent know no matter whatever initial breakthroughs you make, until you get past Dhoni you have not won the game. That's how you put your name in the mix. For once it is not Dhoni to be blamed for all the loses India have piled up. For once he WALKS IN TO ANY TEAM that India can dream of - T20, ODI or TEST - take a look what he has done even with the slump India had after the world cup win. India is loosing games because the rest of the team need to take their finger out and perform.

  • sachin_vvsfan on January 16, 2013, 8:00 GMT

    @ Chrishan. No need to bring in the stats . I would always put Gilchrist a head of the likes of dhoni , sanga. But i dont agree with you that dhoni hides behind the new ball(definitely not in ODIS). He has done well (in ODIS) at num 3 where he scored all his highest scores and his decision to move up the order in WC final is also a proof.

  • sachin_vvsfan on January 16, 2013, 7:53 GMT

    @KiwiRocker your hatred for india is well known. You talk as if your pak team is always at the receiving end and india had all the fortunes. Even if dhoni was given out india would have won by 50+ runs margin. And talk about Yuvrajs incorrect decision ( i know you have already talked about the 'could haves' but remember we still had 4 wickets after 50 overs were completed and 240-250 would have been the min target even when the likes of dhoni/youvraj were out that makes the deficit close to 100 and you still moan because you dont like to see india winning. Fact is Eng were bad in THIS GAME as simple as that.

  • KiwiRocker- on January 16, 2013, 7:51 GMT

    counterstrike1.6: You may have missed but Pakistan just brown washed India in India and Dhoni was the captain...This was done in fornt of Indian crowds, in India and despite Indian umpires. Wake up and smell the fresh air!Mr_cricket_Rahul_not_hussey : I support New Zealand then Pakistan and then anyone who plays against India or Australia..I know its bit complicted for your intellect!

  • Un_Citoyen_Indien on January 16, 2013, 7:50 GMT

    on (January 16 2013, 03:42 AM GMT), Crishan wrote: " If you want to talk about match winning innings, Gillchrist won a MOM award every 9 innings compared to Dhoni every 13 innings".

    Please consider that MOM awards are awarded to the player from the winning side 90% of the time. In fact it takes an unusually brilliant effort by a player from the losing side to receive the MOM award. Now consider that the Australian team during Gilchrist's career was undoubtedly the best team in history and they won an astonishing 77+ % of their games. Does it surprise you that Gilchrist has a better MOM winning percentage than Dhoni (if that is in fact true)?

    And he was an opener too. That means he had plenty of time to construct impactful performances on most occasions (especially while chasing totals, after the legendary Aussie bowlers had made short work of the opposition batsmen).

  • tickcric on January 16, 2013, 7:38 GMT

    Dhoni is the ultimate impact player in the last 15 overs or so. Many complain about his batting lower down the order. I think he is batting at the right position. With players like Gambhir, Kohli, Yuvraj at the top you expect a strong build up which then leaves Dhoni to come and finish in the best possible manner. I think that's a good way to look at it. Of course he can come higher up and thus face more balls and score more runs but that also leaves those final crunching overs under less competent hands (considering the situation). Every player is different, its horses for courses as they say. More than anyone in the team he thrives under pressure, almost enjoys walking the razor's edge, so to speak. Thus he is best suited to finish a difficult chase or give that winning edge while building up a target. But it's a team effort, and without the momentum coming from a good build up it's not possible to give the killer punch which Dhoni can deliver.

  • sweetspot on January 16, 2013, 7:21 GMT

    Some people will see negatives even in heaven. Such people enjoy hell, it would seem. Enough already with the IF this and IF that! India played well, and England didn't quite do so. That is how they lost by such a big margin. Dhoni doesn't need to prove anything to anybody anymore. He is the most awesome force in ODI cricket, period. He is the most successful captain since he's won every tournament he has played in, at least once. MSD's fans have every right to celebrate him, and if you don't like it, you can cheer for some loser and be happy. Or unhappy, as you wish!

  • Mr_cricket_Rahul_not_hussey on January 16, 2013, 7:14 GMT

    @Kiwirocker, which team are you supporting man, Pakistan, Newzealand or England. Or which ever the team plays against India, A team, B team, C team does that make any sense, remember that your 2nd grade team has been thumped by junior teams like India - A and Delhi in practice matches, that would be repeated in future too. Stop dreaming that India would be thumped again & again, it is just a matter of time for the team to get settled.

  • Un_Citoyen_Indien on January 16, 2013, 6:23 GMT

    @ Crishan once again: With regards to someone "hiding from the new ball" as you put it, every batsman cannot and must not be an opener mate. That would be ridiculous. Then cricket would be a game of only openers with no room for middle order players etc.

    The opener has great opportunity to prosper since he gets to play a lot more overs than anyone else. The finisher on the other hand needs to be shrewd (street smart even). He needs to take calculated risks and succeed more often than not. The failure percentage is high when you are required to frequently loft the ball in pursuit of quick runs.

    which is why batsmen who bat at positions 5,6,7 and 8 rarely average 40+ (e.g. Steve Waugh, Jonty Rhodes, Collingwood, Flintoff, Ajay Jadeja, Yuvraj Singh, Raina, Robin Singh, Shoaib Malik, Razzaq, Imran Khan, Kapil Dev etc... etc...) and the ones that do are the very best in the business (e.g. Dhoni, Bevan, Hussey, De Villiers, Klusener and Symonds).

  • Rukky on January 16, 2013, 6:15 GMT

    To Suhir65, Yes stats are like that, But India really would be the strongest team if it had Good Bowling Units. India was never good in Bowling Department. You can compare them with Aus,SA,WI and Pakistan...and you will notice it. You can see that by this:-India is the only team who scored the most times 300 or more. and in those matches where India made more than 300 is having win/loss ratio is much lesser than other teams when they make 300 or 300+ scores. This data make it clear, that India has always weak bowling history.

  • Un_Citoyen_Indien on January 16, 2013, 6:14 GMT

    @Crishan, you make it seem as if being not out is a crime! In fact, it is one of the results that a batsman should aspire to. It seems that you (and perhaps several others), have not gotten the grasp of the concept of batting averages, so let me explain. Batting Average = (Total Career Runs) Divided By (Total Career Dismissals). many people seem to think that the formula is: Batting Average = (Total Career Runs) Divided By (Total Career Innings) which is not the case.

    Bradman's test average drops to 70 odd if you consider the second (and incorrect formula). There's no such thing as "batting averages being inflated by not outs". That's just rubbish. Ask a certain Michael Bevan with 67 not outs. And he by the way had a strike rate of 73. Way less that Dhoni's 88.

  • luks on January 16, 2013, 6:10 GMT

    If Pietersen had been reprieved when in single digits like Dhoni and he had gone on to make 70 and win the match, all Indian supporters would have been crying about it. Dhoni is good, but lets not get carried away. There are such players in every team. India just happens to play more on flat pitches.

  • hari040761 on January 16, 2013, 5:59 GMT

    hats of to Mr.Cook for his open appreciation on MSD. We don't bother the comments from Those who don't know about cricket. Everyones BP shoots up even at the time of watching itself, imagine the players position. just commenting or criticsing with good English is not going to help. Good luck to MSD and Cook to have a good tight sportsman ship series.

  • shabbir on January 16, 2013, 5:52 GMT

    When conditions are favorable for batting openers enjoy and make merry and better their averages and strike rate. Whereas lower order never get to experience these easy conditions and get to bat only when the conditions are very bad or when situation are demand either score quickly or perish. Name one batsmen leave alone wicket keeper who has better record than Dhoni at number 6,7 & 8. This shows how well Dhoni is at rear guard action way above all others.

  • asish08 on January 16, 2013, 5:43 GMT

    @ Chrishan. Your arguement that Dhoni hides from the new ball is not valid. You only have to look at his stats as pointed out by Un_Citoyen_Indien. Dhoni has opened against England with a 96 and two of his highest scores are 183 not out and 148 batting @ no 3. Furthermore, he has several high 50's batting at 3, 4 and 5. Only recently (30/12/12) he came @ 7 in the 10th over (new ball 5 overs old) against Pakistan (best bowling attack for the conditions) and went on to get a 113 not out. Gilly is no doubt a great player but his record is much better in Tests than ODI's compared to Dhoni. Dhoni's test record is poor. Overall Gilly is a better over the two formats but Dhoni excels in ODI.

  • realfan on January 16, 2013, 5:28 GMT

    @kiwirocker let me tell you which side was B side or C side.... no sehwag, sachin( no batting strenght) no zaheer, harbajan, umesh yadhav, irfan pathan( very week bowling) 1 bowler who is not even 5 matches old( BHUVANESHWAR), 1 bowler who is 10 matches old ( DINDA) , 1 bowler who is just settling in internatinal cricket( IHANT SHARMA ), 1 bowler who is 50 matches old( ASHWIN ) and 1 alrounder who is just come back to indian side for 2nd time ( JADEJA) and 1 opener who is 10 matches old ( RAHANE)

    england scenario well settled openers ( COOK , BELL ) strong middle order ( KP, MORGAN ) decent experienced bowler who is 80 matches old ( BRESNAN ) good bowler( steven finn) and moreover winning momentum

    so stop winning about C team B team.... even if the main bowlers were they there( ANDERSON and SWAN ) they were not potent against indian in the recent past.... face it....

  • pitch_curator on January 16, 2013, 5:24 GMT

    @ Kiwirocker -- So where is the England A side hiding. Is it the one that got thumped by Bangladesh in the world cup? Or is it the one that lost 5-0 and 5-0 the last two tours of England. Is it the one which did not reach a WC semifinal in the last 5 cricket world cups? which one?? which one?? Stop making a joke of yourself in public forums.

  • realfan on January 16, 2013, 5:16 GMT

    @kiwi rocker NASIR JAMSHEDD was given not out for caught at slip in the first match..... so can i tell that if it was given out then he woudn't have scored 100 runs in the whole series and pak woudn't have even single game...... so don't make excuse about out and not outs.... if PAK series win was important than JAMSHED not out in first match. then this is just a replica of that..... face it......

  • realfan on January 16, 2013, 5:08 GMT

    @Chrishan you should check your stats mate... if we compare the batting performance of dhoni in top order with likes of gillchrist and sangakara...dhoni is far more superior than any other player in the world right now...

    dhoni's batting in top order...between position 1-3 matches runs highest average strike rate 100 50 19 1091 183* 77.92 98.37 2 7

    i know you will ask for proof here i post the link of that

    http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/28081.html?batting_positionmax1=3;batting_positionmin1=1;batting_positionval1=batting_position;class=2;filter=advanced;orderby=default;template=results;type=batting

    mind you that average of 77 at the top order is the one that gilchrist could never dream of... and now who is hiding from new ball????????

    dhoni is just sooo good at giving chances to young players.... and talk about not outs... that the number that reflects how much difficult for a bowler to get you out..

  • chandan4214 on January 16, 2013, 5:06 GMT

    Dhoni is best finisher in world in any condition not in these or those

  • landl47 on January 16, 2013, 4:44 GMT

    I was very impressed with Kumar today. He found a nice rhythm, was accurate and moved the ball around. Dhoni did a great job, first in keeping him on when he was going so well and second in standing up to him for KP, which directly led to KP being bowled playing back when he would otherwise have been forward. Good cricket by Dhoni.

    If the rest of the pitches are like this, England will struggle. The ball was turning square for Jadeja and even for Ashwin. That wasn't why England lost today, but England doesn't have Swann and Panesar to exploit the conditions and Tredwell and a couple of part-timers isn't enough. If Ashwin can turn the ball, imagine what Swann and Panesar would have done.

  • ramli on January 16, 2013, 4:40 GMT

    Dhoni is middle order batsman in ODIs and gets little chance to play full quota but his not outs are because he finishes games ... Gilly is an opening batsman in ODIs and gets to play full quota every time, can pace the innings and bat with no pressure ... In ODIs ... opening the batting is not difficult unlike in tests ... Sachin, Saurav are good examples ... so Gilly's position is no sacrifice but an advantage ... facing new ball in ODIs has never been a problem with all the defensive line of attack ... hence, Dhoni is definitely on par with Gilly if not higher as a prolific ODI wicket-keeper batsman

  • Sudhir65 on January 16, 2013, 4:36 GMT

    Cricket is a Team sport. Indians have some record breaking individuals like Sachin and Dhoni, but their team has mostly been in the middle or near the bottom of just 10 major cricket playing nations.

  • blahblah12345 on January 16, 2013, 4:19 GMT

    You don't need stats to say that that Dhoni is a great batsman. He is a true matchwinner for India.

  • Fast_Track_Bully on January 16, 2013, 4:02 GMT

    @ vatsap . How can you forget that Dhoni is the man gwho withdraw his appeal and allow English batsman to continue even if India are at back foot? It is better to look at own issues rather than praising opposition and thats what Dhoni did. Thats nothing to do with sportsmanship.

  • Chrishan on January 16, 2013, 3:42 GMT

    @Un_Citoyen_Indien. You have emphasised that Dhoni has this amazing average of 52.28 which is much more than Gilly and Sanga. But you must also consider that this average is boosted by a whopping 55 not outs compared to Gilly (11) and Sanga (33). Also, Gilly was an opener and Sanga is no.3, both faced the new ball. It is a well known fact that Dhoni "hides" from the new ball. If you want to talk about match winning innings, Gillchrist won a MOM award every 9 innings compared to Dhoni every 13 innings. So Gilly is still by far the best and most dominating Wicket Keeper batsman ever to play in ODIs.

  • Des_65 on January 16, 2013, 3:34 GMT

    Multiply batting average with the strike rate to get player's batting value. Add all 11 batsmen's batting value to get an idea of how much the team as a whole can score on an average. There may be variances due to opposition bowling & fielding, pitch condition, etc.

  • Un_Citoyen_Indien on January 16, 2013, 3:33 GMT

    Here is the statsguru link for the analysis of Dhoni as a test batsman that I posted earlier (should be below somewhere).

    http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;keeper=1;orderby=batting_average;qualmin1=2500;qualval1=runs;template=results;type=batting

  • Un_Citoyen_Indien on January 16, 2013, 3:31 GMT

    I posted a statsguru link highlighting Dhoni's dominance as a 'keeper-batsman in ODI's earlier (will be down here somewhere). Here are some more stats focusing on Dhoni the test batsman.

    Among designated 'keeper-batsmen with at least 2,500 runs across the history of test cricket, Dhoni ranks 5th in terms of batting average. Only Andy Flower (53.70), Adam Gilchrist (47.60), Matt Prior (43.19) and Kumar Sangakkara (40.48) are ahead of Dhoni (38.06).

    Dhoni is also 7th on the list of all time run aggregates for 'keeper-batsmen in test cricket. Only Gilchrist (5,570 runs), Mark Boucher (5,515 runs), Alec Stewart (4,540 runs), Andy Flower (4,404 runs), Alan Knott (4,389 runs) and Ian Healy (4,356 runs) lead Dhoni (3,883 runs) here. And Dhoni still has a better average than Boucher (30.30), Stewart (34.92), Knott (32.75) and Healy (27.39).

    In other words, M.S. Dhoni is also a far better test batsman than some fans give him credit for. Statsguru link coming up next.......

  • ManagerDhoni on January 16, 2013, 3:26 GMT

    @jackiethepen, u are right that Anderson was no selected for India tour. I used cricinfo search for my jackpot statement where I saw that Anderson played only one match in 2011 in India (Eventually that was WC 2011 match)

    But he was definitely a jackpot bowler in that match ;). 9.5 0 91 1 9.25

  • anoop3301 on January 16, 2013, 3:19 GMT

    with all the outcry against Dhoni's place in test cricket, the guy still averages 38 in test cricket. It is a full 10 runs/innings ahead of predecessors like Mongia,More and Kirmani. Nobody in indian test cricket history having played for a considerable period of time has a better stat as a wicket keeper batsman than Dhoni. I might be off topic here, but I do believe his test record is respectable and odi record outstanding.

  • vatsap on January 16, 2013, 3:19 GMT

    That;s so nice of Cook. Keeps me wondering why the Indian's are never effusive in praise of their opponents even after they get trashed. The Test series was classic example, where Cook, Prior, Pietersen, Monty, Anderson, Swann were a class apart. A bit of sportsmanship will always help.

  • madhu-82 on January 16, 2013, 3:10 GMT

    Its high time to rest gambhir, ishanth and probably ashwin and giving chance to pujara and bowlers doing well at domestic level a go, thats the way to go forward for indian cricket. not to read too much into kochi odi due to some umpiring errors. Kohli or raina can open with rahane and pujara can be played as one down. Ishant has to go for lack of head while bowling in certain situations. coming to ashwin as bowler did patel hitting him for 3 fours and a six in an over a fluke or lack of form from bowler. those hits are cricketing shots and a messsge to his mates that hit him out of park. one improvement made by ashwin is he didnt pause while bowling in this match so appeared a little better, thats it.

  • Un_Citoyen_Indien on January 16, 2013, 3:06 GMT

    Here is the statsguru link for my earlier analysis on Dhoni:

    http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=2;filter=advanced;keeper=1;orderby=batting_average;qualmin1=2500;qualval1=runs;template=results;type=batting

    Use this link or find post below. Some interesting stats there.

  • Un_Citoyen_Indien on January 16, 2013, 3:03 GMT

    For those who don't bother using statsguru, here are some numbers that you may want to consider:

    Of all the players in the history of ODI cricket that have scored at least 2,500 runs as designated wicket keeper batsman, Dhoni has (by far) the highest average (52.28). He leads the next man (Kumar Sangakkara @ 40.24) by 12 runs!

    In terms of strike rates, Dhoni is placed third on the list (with 88.28 %). Only Adam Gilchrist (with 96.94 %) is well ahead of him here. But Gilchrist's average is only 35.64 (i.e. 17 runs less than Dhoni's). Brendon McCullum has a nominally higher strike rate of 89.38 % but his average (30.37) is 22 runs less than Dhoni's!

    In terms of run aggregates, Dhoni (with 7,215 runs) is again 3rd on the list behind Sangakkara (10,022 runs) and Gilchrist (9,410 runs). But Sangakkara has faced almost 5,000 more deliveries to get those runs and Gilchrist has faced 1,500 deliveries more than Dhoni to get his.

    M.S. Dhoni is is undoubtedly the best 'keeper batsman around.

  • jmcilhinney on January 16, 2013, 2:59 GMT

    @Shan156 on (January 15 2013, 19:34 PM GMT), while I don't think it will happen, I agree re Buttler for Kieswetter. I don't think any England player actually enhanced their reputation in this game so I definitely wouldn't blame Kieswetter for the loss, but his innings has an all-too-familiar feel to it. he just doesn't seem to be able to pace an innings and gets bogged down far too easily, whacking a boundary in between clusters of dot balls. This puts too much pressure on the batsman at the other end. In this game, he failed to put away 3 or 4 long hops from Yuvraj when England really needed to pick up every easy run they could.

  • on January 16, 2013, 2:48 GMT

    Cook is right. Even a strong critic like Ganguly agrees. A dangerous batsman in limited overs. I still remember when he took on D. Steyn in one of the IPL matches a couple of years ago. He is arguably the best finisher at least in ODIs.

  • Akhter786 on January 16, 2013, 2:33 GMT

    Umpiring is at its worst best in this series so far

    but due respect to MSD he surely is one of the greatest ODI batsman ever, he is far ahead of Sachin in winning matches or making a match of it, under telling circumstances against any opposition in a grandest of unique styles.

  • on January 16, 2013, 2:00 GMT

    @ KiwiRocker ... even yuvraj was given LBW on inside edge... if he was nt given out incorrectly... india would have scored 300+

  • biju666 on January 16, 2013, 1:32 GMT

    Hey Guys! Watch d Replay it shows clearly Dhoni's Bat hitting the Boot not d Ball...

  • screamingeagle on January 16, 2013, 1:00 GMT

    Kiwirocker, I know it might be a problem to grasp with your intellect, but Yuvraj also was dismissed by the ump.

  • Cpt.Meanster on January 16, 2013, 0:48 GMT

    I don't like Dhoni as a captain BUT he is a MATCH WINNER and a CHAMP !!! It's not his fault that the team is filled with many lousy players. Add to that, India are in a transitional phase with many extra ordinary players having left the team. Yes, I totally concur with Cook; MSD is simply THE BEST in ODIs. I mean.. time and time again, the man has rescued India single handedly. Well done Mahi.

  • jackiethepen on January 15, 2013, 23:18 GMT

    ManagerDhoni claims that Anderson was made a jackpot bowler by Indian batsmen in 2011. That would be quite some achievement. Anderson wasn't selected for the ODIs in India in 2011.

  • Shan156 on January 15, 2013, 22:56 GMT

    @KiwiRocker, umpiring howlers even out over the course of the series. In the umpire's defence, it was very noisy out there. It would have been hard for any umpire to make the correct decision all the time in such conditions.

  • Natraja on January 15, 2013, 22:55 GMT

    @Kiwirocker.

    So according to you 150+72 (Dhoni's score) equals 285? Man i need to go school again.

  • Harlequin. on January 15, 2013, 22:52 GMT

    @crickettsunami, weirdly, I disagree with him becoming more devastating if there is a platform! Many of the lower order big hitters are better when they have freedom to go out swinging, but I think Dhoni is at his best when he has to play himself in for 20-30 balls and then hits the next 20 across the rope!

  • BanCricFan on January 15, 2013, 22:45 GMT

    Best in th world Umpire Kulkarni: Younis Khan nicks, get an LBW. Dhoni edges, not out. Cook gets hit outside leg- OUT! Umpire Kulkarni was man of the match and will most likely be a tough competition for umpire Dharmasena in next ICC award! If Dhoni was correctly given out at 6- India would have scored 150 and England would have eaily won!

  • Natraja on January 15, 2013, 22:30 GMT

    I fully agree with assasinator. Dhoni is priceless and most impactful player. Some time I wish he was in Australian team. He would have been a blazing gun all the time. Some people in India doesnt know what they are criticizing. shame on them.

  • KiwiRocker- on January 15, 2013, 22:29 GMT

    Best in th world Umpire Kulkarni: Younis Khan nicks, get an LBW. Dhoni edges, not out. Cook gets hit outside leg- OUT! Umpire Kulkarni was man of the match and will most likely be a tough competition for umpire Dharmasena in next ICC award! If Dhoni was correctly given out at 6- India would have scored 150 and England would have eaily won!

  • nrshyam14 on January 15, 2013, 22:12 GMT

    It is really very difficult to understand as to why the selectors as well as the Indian team management is still persisting with Ishant Sharma despite his repeated failures!They can as well try the tall bowler, Pankaj Kumar, who did very well in domestic circuit. It is very pathetic to see Ishant bowling and getting thrashed in every match.It is high time to drop him altoghether from all forms of cricketplayed by India.

  • Vilander on January 15, 2013, 20:14 GMT

    from the looks of it as of now, Eng trail Ind in about the same amount of skill in ODI as they lead them in test skills a month back. But England has a good bowling lineup and KP will win one game by himself so its even stevens.

  • on January 15, 2013, 19:50 GMT

    Best in World!!!MSD!!!!!!!!!

  • ManagerDhoni on January 15, 2013, 19:24 GMT

    @Rahulbose. yes you are true when u said that story wud have been different. At least England wud not have won first ODI also coz both Anderson n Swann were made jackpot bowlers by Indian batsman in 2011 when they lost series 0-5 in India.

  • samincolumbia on January 15, 2013, 19:17 GMT

    @Rahulbose - India's first choice bowlers, especially Yadav is injured. Plus we also help England to level the playing field by playing the most useless bowler, batsman and fielder in the world, Ishant Sharma, who ironically is India's lead bowler!! He is yet to take a single wicket so far in the series.

  • luks on January 15, 2013, 19:15 GMT

    To be fair though, he was out when on 6. Unlucky for Woakes and England, game would have been so different. Cook and Yuvraj also got bad decisions.

  • Temuzin on January 15, 2013, 19:13 GMT

    @torsha, you have hit the nail in the head. I loved your statement "Some of the Indians won't realize that because they are born to criticize MS and appreciate some others" lol..

  • BattosaiXX on January 15, 2013, 19:11 GMT

    @Surajdon9 , Chris martin does not have avg of 38 in test cricket. Stop hating on the guy because he proves your whole nation wrong time after time. Start hating on your bowlers , >1 billion population cant produce 1 mediocre bowler. Any other team in the world would love to have someone close to dhoni as batsman/keeper in their team. Fault is not with your batting, it is with your bowling, get it though your head. You batsmen are stressed to put 300+ as they know bowler would not be able to defend anything less and it affects their batting.

  • luvcricket_new_gen on January 15, 2013, 19:07 GMT

    I don't think Jimmy would be any valuable in ODIs in sub-continent conditions. If India can fix top order problems and bowl consistently at death, they can regain their home supremacy in ODIs. Tests - India are way off from the top teams like Eng, SA.

  • Temuzin on January 15, 2013, 18:59 GMT

    Very well said Mr. Cook. Dhoni is the best in the world. He can be more devastating if he is provided with a solid foundation. Indian top order has failed to provide a solid base in this and previous series but Dhoni still rebuilt the inning.

  • hst84 on January 15, 2013, 18:55 GMT

    Sure England is playing with 2nd string bowlers but it doesn't mean that Dhoni is not a performer at death stages of a game. He's one of the best India has and he remains to be one of the best captains in the history providing the inadequate bowling lineup that he had and used it very skillfully in different games and different situations..

  • baskar_guha on January 15, 2013, 18:48 GMT

    It is time to bring Pujara in at the top or #3 and have him be the anchor for others to bat around. I would recommend Pujara for Gambhir and see if that helps make the top order stabilize in ODIs.

  • torsha on January 15, 2013, 18:45 GMT

    He sure is best. Some of the Indians won't realize that because they are born to criticize MS and appreciate some others.

  • MadMonk on January 15, 2013, 18:39 GMT

    "We're going through a stage when we don't have the same firepower when it comes to the bowling department. Our batting department is not able to convert those starts into a big innings....... " - recognition of the problem is the first part of the solution.

  • Surajdon9 on January 15, 2013, 18:33 GMT

    Only for ODIs when it turns to Test His Batting is no where different from batting of Chris Martin, Mcgrath n Walsh..Dhoni Should retire from Test and keep more focus on ODIs.

  • Rahulbose on January 15, 2013, 18:27 GMT

    Eng first choice bowlers are resting. This enabled India to run away with the game at the death. Would have been a different story with Anderson and Swann in the side.

  • Rahulbose on January 15, 2013, 18:27 GMT

    Eng first choice bowlers are resting. This enabled India to run away with the game at the death. Would have been a different story with Anderson and Swann in the side.

  • Surajdon9 on January 15, 2013, 18:33 GMT

    Only for ODIs when it turns to Test His Batting is no where different from batting of Chris Martin, Mcgrath n Walsh..Dhoni Should retire from Test and keep more focus on ODIs.

  • MadMonk on January 15, 2013, 18:39 GMT

    "We're going through a stage when we don't have the same firepower when it comes to the bowling department. Our batting department is not able to convert those starts into a big innings....... " - recognition of the problem is the first part of the solution.

  • torsha on January 15, 2013, 18:45 GMT

    He sure is best. Some of the Indians won't realize that because they are born to criticize MS and appreciate some others.

  • baskar_guha on January 15, 2013, 18:48 GMT

    It is time to bring Pujara in at the top or #3 and have him be the anchor for others to bat around. I would recommend Pujara for Gambhir and see if that helps make the top order stabilize in ODIs.

  • hst84 on January 15, 2013, 18:55 GMT

    Sure England is playing with 2nd string bowlers but it doesn't mean that Dhoni is not a performer at death stages of a game. He's one of the best India has and he remains to be one of the best captains in the history providing the inadequate bowling lineup that he had and used it very skillfully in different games and different situations..

  • Temuzin on January 15, 2013, 18:59 GMT

    Very well said Mr. Cook. Dhoni is the best in the world. He can be more devastating if he is provided with a solid foundation. Indian top order has failed to provide a solid base in this and previous series but Dhoni still rebuilt the inning.

  • luvcricket_new_gen on January 15, 2013, 19:07 GMT

    I don't think Jimmy would be any valuable in ODIs in sub-continent conditions. If India can fix top order problems and bowl consistently at death, they can regain their home supremacy in ODIs. Tests - India are way off from the top teams like Eng, SA.

  • BattosaiXX on January 15, 2013, 19:11 GMT

    @Surajdon9 , Chris martin does not have avg of 38 in test cricket. Stop hating on the guy because he proves your whole nation wrong time after time. Start hating on your bowlers , >1 billion population cant produce 1 mediocre bowler. Any other team in the world would love to have someone close to dhoni as batsman/keeper in their team. Fault is not with your batting, it is with your bowling, get it though your head. You batsmen are stressed to put 300+ as they know bowler would not be able to defend anything less and it affects their batting.

  • Temuzin on January 15, 2013, 19:13 GMT

    @torsha, you have hit the nail in the head. I loved your statement "Some of the Indians won't realize that because they are born to criticize MS and appreciate some others" lol..