India v England, 5th ODI, Dharamsala

Bell century leads England to consolation win

The Report by Alan Gardner

January 27, 2013

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England 227 for 3 (Bell 113*) beat India 226 (Raina 83, Bresnan 4-45) by seven wickets
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Ian Bell slashes at one, India v England, 5th ODI, Dharamsala, January 27, 2013
Ian Bell scored his third ODI century as England ended the series as they began, with a victory © BCCI
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Ian Bell's third one-day century guided England to a consolation victory in the fifth and final ODI against India to bookend an ultimately disappointing tour with a second success. Although the series was already lost, a 3-2 defeat represents a marked improvement on recent efforts in the country, but Alastair Cook's chief regret will be that his side took so long to put in a second accomplished performance, after they had taken a 1-0 lead in Rajkot a little more than two weeks ago.

The bowlers, lead by Tim Bresnan, Steven Finn and James Tredwell, had made good use of Cook winning the toss to restrict India to 226, despite a fighting 83 from Suresh Raina, and England looked to have a modest hike ahead of them in order to secure only a third ODI win against India at home in 23 attempts. At times, the target seemed to loom higher than the Himalayas visible behind Dharamsala's multicoloured pavilion but Bell is an experienced climber these days and Eoin Morgan brought along his spare oxygen canister to ease the ascent at the end.

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  • Ian Bell's century was the ninth by an England batsman in ODIs against India in India. The last century was scored by Andrew Strauss in the 2011 World Cup game in Bangalore.
  • Bell's century was his second against India and third overall. His strike rate of 79.02 was his lowest for a 100-plus score.
  • Tim Bresnan's 4 for 45 was his fourth haul of four or more wickets in ODIs. His best bowling performance of 5 for 48 also came against India in the 2011 World Cup.
  • For only the fourth time in ODIs against India, England had three fifty-plus stands for the first four wickets. All four instances have come in ODIs played in India.
  • Suresh Raina's 83 was his 11th half-century against England and second in consecutive matches. In 27 matches against England, Raina has 997 runs at 47.47.
  • Raina became the fourth batsman overall and the first Indian batsman to make four fifty-plus scores in four innings in a bilateral ODI series. Only Yasir Hameed has had more fifty-plus scores (5) in a series (max five innings).
  • The number of runs conceded by James Tredwell (25) is the second-lowest by an England spinner in a completed spell in ODIs against India since 1990.

Like Raina, whose fourth half-century in as many innings helped drag India from a potentially disastrous 79 for 5 earlier in the day, Bell was not entirely secure at the crease, twice edging past his stumps early on and struggling to time the ball as the surface got slower. But he stuck around as England lost two wickets for 11 runs in 6.2 overs and after a diligent, restorative partnership with Joe Root, he began to look more imposing, stepping out of his crease to hit the disappointing R Ashwin for six and striking timely boundaries whenever the asking rate began to enquire a little more urgently.

Although Root was bowled by Ravindra Jadeja, slogging across the line in ungainly fashion after another level-headed knock, Morgan buckled down before adding a few flourishes of his own to ease England past their target with 16 balls to spare. At 1317 metres above sea level, the Himachal Pradesh Cricket Association Stadium is among the loftiest international grounds in the world and Morgan seemed keen to see just how far he could hit a six in the thin mountain air.

Despite being described as a match of "no consequence" in some local papers, India chose not to experiment with their line-up, again leaving Cheteshwar Pujara on the bench. They could perhaps have done with his monkish self-discipline, as Rohit Sharma and Virat Kohli departed to consecutive deliveries via loose drives outside off to trigger a top-order collapse. It was left to Raina, India's leading run-scorer in the series, and Jadeja, who has also toyed regularly with England over the last month, to pull things together with a spiky, 78-run partnership, before some late hitting from the tail, combined with a rash of dropped catches, helped the score towards respectability.

Before the match, Raina had expressed a desire to usurp one of his colleagues up the order and he made good use of a longer spell at the crease after coming in during the seventh over. A harsher judge, however, may conclude that he failed to construct the truly big innings that the situation provided an opportunity for.

England have been quiescent opponents in the past for Raina, who improved his average against them to 47.47 with his 11th fifty, but he was allowed let-offs on 5 and 61 before pulling idly to midwicket with a hundred in sight. The first was a difficult, diving chance that would have completed a hat-trick of slip catches for Tredwell but the latter opportunity, grassed by Cook at backward square leg, was much more straightforward.

Perhaps Raina was deserving of some benevolence after the fiery start England's bowlers made in chilly, if bright, conditions. The Dalai Lama is based in exile at nearby McLeodganj but the early exchanges were far from peaceable on a hard, fast surface with enough juice in it to make a Tibetan monk sit up and blink.

There was initial seam movement on offer for Finn but it was Bresnan who made the first incursion, removing ersatz opener Rohit. Having timed one exquisite square drive for four, Rohit attempted a reprise to a slightly wider delivery that drifted further away from his crease-bound push, the ball slicing off the outside edge to the right of Tredwell at second slip, where he took a tumbling catch. The very next ball produced a facsimile swish from Kohli, though Tredwell went in for a bit of variety on this occasion, juggling the ball three times in front of the kneeling Cook before grasping it for good with a giddy grin.

When Yuvraj got a thick edge to point trying to turn Finn through square leg, the match was beginning to resemble an early season encounter in England - at least in temperature and bowling conditions, if not the setting. It could have been even better for England had Raina's edge off Chris Woakes - replacing Jade Dernbach - stuck but he battled pugnaciously after being hit on the shoulder by his first ball, from Finn.

Tredwell has spent the one-day series doing a passable impression of Graeme Swann, particularly to left-handers, and he had Gautam Gambhir caught by the sprawling Bell at point. The wicket came from Tredwell's second ball, an immediate, Swann-esque intervention, and England's delight ratcheted up further when Finn won an lbw decision against MS Dhoni. Only during the spells of the part-time bowlers, Root and Samit Patel, did India's batsmen display any sense of comfort. Their combined 11 overs cost 80 runs as Raina gave India one last spin of the prayer wheel in pursuit of 4-1 - but he could not turn a molehill into a mountain.

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Posted by TLKC on (January 30, 2013, 5:24 GMT)

Have to agree with Jackiethpen. Bell - highest number of runs scored, highest average for the series. Hardly disappointing. The only thing England needed to win the series was a good tosser!

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 29, 2013, 18:20 GMT)

The case of Pujara vs other Indian batsmen is that of a man Akash who is madly in love with an awesome woman Ramya for 3 years and then sees another terrific woman Binya (single & flirty) joining his office as intern. Akash knows that if he tries a bit then Binya would be his but even though he is tempted by this possibility he just can't leave Ramya for no reason. In fact, even if he had some issues with Ramya he would/should first try to fix them and move out ONLY if they are irretrievably broken.

It would make no sense for Akash to ask Ramya to leave just cos Binya was there now. Firstly, Akash has no issues with Ramya and Binya is just a stranger woman and who knows what she may be like in reality? If he tries for Binya and she disappoints him then with what face will he go back to Ramya?

Replace Akash with MSD, Binya with CP & Ramya with GG/RS/VK/YS/SR/RJ.

Forget about ethics & morals, even from PoV of logic it would be stupid to do such sort of an experiment.

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 29, 2013, 17:28 GMT)

All those who love Pujara, it is one thing to root for your fav player and nothing's wrong in it and it is completely diff thing to start blaming the captain or ascribing malicious motives to his decisions just cos he is not going as per your thinking. First of all, they need to explain this excessive support for Pujara. Por boy has played a handful of tests and has had some success but by no means AND BY NO MEANS WHATSOEVER does he look like a finished product to me even in the longer format. He is good but not all that good as of now that you start talking of him as any sort of hope. Doing so will only put him under more pressure.

A guy here is often seen here saying O Pujara O Pujara, claims that Pujara would have scored a 100 just like Bell never mind it would have been his debut match, claims that Pujara already is captaincy candidate and thus MS dislikes/fears him and then says he is a realistic guy.

I would love to see CP play but I also see MSD's PoV. Sad some ppl can't/don't

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 29, 2013, 16:41 GMT)

@wakaPAK & @mzm149 : WT20 may not have World Cup in its name but I am sure you would agree that it is the most (& in fact only) reputed tournament where various national T20 teams compete. You can't say the same for ICC Champions Trophy. It is neither here not there as it has a more reputed more coveted World Cup towering above it. And your talk about WT20 not being a World Cup technically is funny really. When Pak won the WT20 & its players were not bought in IPL it was said that Pak players were not bought even though they were World Champions. You and I both know very well that ICC WT20 is World Cup indeed.

And like I said, include ICC CT too if you want, India have won it too & been runner up once, your Pak team never even reached the finals (or even the SF IIRC). +2/+4 for Finalists/Winner is obvious. You get more points for winning titles than winning matches - ok?

If Pak reaches finals or wins then Pak should get +2/+4, why shud Ind get -2/-4? Rubbish.

India still winning.

Posted by Yousufahmedl on (January 29, 2013, 16:37 GMT)

@Fast_Track_Bully, we have drawn a test series in South Africa 1-1 in our inaugural tour there in 1998. You asked the question " What you have archived there?". Haha we dont go on tours to archive anything. We play to win always unlike your power greedy BCCI who wants to own cricket and ruin it always. If cricket is extinct, BCCI is to blame.

Haha grow up. What is the issue about the world T20? We were a better team and we made it to the semi finals but India FAILED to make it to the T20 semi finals just like you all failing to qualify for the semis of the 2009 and 2010 T20 world cups.

We managed to thrash England 3-0 in tests in UAE but you all lost 2-1 to England at home in front of all home fans. If not for umpiring specials in aid of India, we would have seen a 4-0 triumph for England in the tests and a 5-0 triumph for England in ODIs. Aussies will have no trouble winning 4-0 in tests shortly unless umpires come to India's rescue at the helms of BCCI. Cricinfo please publish.

Posted by Yousufahmedl on (January 29, 2013, 16:15 GMT)

@Fast_Track_Bully we never have umpires giving test matches against Bangladesh. Bangladesh deserves more respect cos they are no minnows unlike you. Keep living in a deluded world.

You minnows are pure flat track bullies. What is the fastness as your name implies? Pakistan are the fast track bullies for producing the greatest pace bowlers ever. We are also spin track bullies for producing top class spinners. Your nation has produced all over hyped overrated batsmen. Your side is nothing but mediocre to the maximum that Afghanistan can easily beat you for sure. Should India make it to 2nd round of the next T20 world cup, it is the biggest upset of the century.

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 29, 2013, 14:41 GMT)

@wakaPAK & @mzm149 : WT20 may not have World Cup in its name but I am sure you would agree that it is the most (& in fact only) reputed tournament where various national T20 teams compete. You can't say the same for ICC Champions Trophy. It is neither here not there as it has a more reputed more coveted World Cup towering above it. And your talk about WT20 not being a World Cup technically is funny really. When Pak won the WT20 & its players were not bought in IPL it was said that Pak players were not bought even though they were World Champions. You and I both know very well that ICC WT20 is World Cup indeed.

And like I said, include ICC CT too if you want, India have won it too & been runner up once, your Pak team never even reached the finals (or even the SF IIRC). +2/+4 for Finalists/Winner is obvious. You get more points for winning titles than winning matches - ok?

If Pak reaches finals or wins then Pak should get +2/+4, why so Ind get -2/-4? Rubbish.

India still winning, HaHa

Posted by Fast_Track_Bully on (January 29, 2013, 9:19 GMT)

@pakistan_victorious. Minnows pakistan will be thrashed by SA for sure. Atleast India leveled a series in SA. What you have archived there? An understanding with Australia make your team to the semis in T20 recently and your umpires give you a test match against BD. Are you not aware about it? Grow up minnow fan.

Posted by CandidIndian on (January 29, 2013, 5:17 GMT)

Nampally -Actually the problem lies in the fact that Pujara is not a big name in IPL.Since SA tour ,two years back Sehwag failed in every test series including the ones being played at home.He was playing due his reputation and nothing more,same applies on Gambhir. With this reputation quota system in place , many utility players will not get the chance,so be prepared to get disappointed.

Posted by ravi-1967 on (January 29, 2013, 4:30 GMT)

Well played India. The first match was closely fought and after the debacle against England in the test series and Pakistan in the ODIs it was a remarable turnaround.

Positives from this series have been Dhoni / Raina as usual and B Kumar.

Disappointing were Gambhi, Kohli, Rahane and Rohit. Aswin was pathetic and the selectors need to relook at his place in the team. He has become of zero value and needs to go back to the zonal games and rework on his approach.

Bhajji should be brought back for the series agains Australia.

Sehwag need not be considered as he may not be fit enough for the 2015 world cup in Australia.

Suggested ODI team

Rahane , Rohit, Kohli, Pujara, Yuvraj, Raina, Dhoni, Jadeja, B Kumar, Ishanth / Amit Mishra, Shami Ahmed.

Ideal team keeping in mind the WC 2015 should

Posted by ImpartialExpert on (January 29, 2013, 2:37 GMT)

I think Indian batsmen should start respecting opposition spinners more. I feel a sense of relaxation when they see spinners after seeing of a tough spell of fast bowling. Sehwag is a prime example in tests. Gambhir and Kohli are other examples. More than trying to dominate they are not watching the ball closely enough onto the bat. Tredwell is definitely a smart operator but if you give him respect and work the singles and take a calculated risk here and there you could easily score 5 r.p.o. against him. At this moment he is not someone who can run through sides. I mean no disrespect to Tredwell but I am just using him as an example.

Posted by ImpartialExpert on (January 29, 2013, 2:28 GMT)

@haq33 If you are saying that we can only be happy perhaps proud and never be arrogant of our achievements then I totally agree with you. In terms of recognizing that Pakistan is a better team, I think Dhoni said something like Pakistan is a hard team to beat right at the start of the series. But I think our Indian fans are dismayed at our own top order's failure to face good bowling in difficult conditions and offer a fight, that we probably had difficulty in appreciating the abilities of your bowling group. Even after the series win against England some of us are still trying to find answers for the top order failures. Having said that for some reason even though Pakistani bowlers are top class most except Ajmail (If you ignore the ICC awards mishap) are failing to get the kind of recognition they deserve. Hopefully you are in a better situation to explain this because I am very curious. Someone like M. Irfan in any other side would have been talking point everywhere.

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on (January 29, 2013, 2:12 GMT)

@Nampally, exceptional post there. Can't agree more. Common sense tells us that the best batsman walks-in straight. Period! Not as per Dhoni. This is Politics and insecurity in full flow! Shame!

Posted by Shan156 on (January 29, 2013, 0:51 GMT)

@CandidIndian, yeah it was a great tour for us despite the ODI series defeat. It was great to win a test series in India after 28 years. India will surely bounce back. And, I am glad that we will play a 5 test series in England next time. India have a set of new, young fast bowlers who will probably relish the conditions in England. It is important they don't carried away. If India finds couple of more batsmen like Pujara, they will become a strong test team. Good luck to you for the Aussie series.

@JG2704, KP has to be a cert. He was scratchy in the 4th game but it happens sometimes. It was probably more due to the fact that our middle order was too soft. He still is an important member of the ODI side. I think #4 would suit him great and after Trott returns, I think we will see him play more of his natural game.

Posted by Nampally on (January 28, 2013, 20:09 GMT)

@CandidIndian: Yes, I remember that match against SA & Rohit's injury. But what I am really questioning is: How come the best batsman in India- Pujara- has to compete for a "specialist" batsman in XI with guys like Rohit, Gambhir, Kohli, Yuvraj & Raina? A guy who had a batting average of 87 against a much stronger England bowling than the present one. A guy who scored a Double century & a century in 2 consecutive test when the rest of the India batting failed? A guy in terrific Forn? What is the basis for dropping Pujara when the batting is so fragile & unreliable against seaming ball. I am sorry this is bad omen for India when a young batsman is benched due to sheer Politics, when he has already proved that he is the best batman in India today. Best batsman reserves his place in the XI first & others have to fit around him not the other way round. It clearly exposes Dhoni's insecurity in having Pujara in XI!

Posted by haq33 on (January 28, 2013, 19:40 GMT)

Dear dravid gravitas, the problem most of us have with modern Indian fans in general is your overt hatred of quality cricket when it comes from Pakistan and results in an Indian defeat. It used to be far more cordial. I notice you and many others congratulating England on winning 2 odi's. And yet quality Pakistani performances in your country are met with a wall of silence. Shoaib Akhtar silenced Eden gardens all those years ago and India is yet to recover. I suggest you all try to get the chip off your shoulder and learn to respect Pakistan's qualities. But I am repeatedly let down by hatemony111, gsingh and their cheerleaders, who twist every single cricketing incident to somehow prove India is better than Pakistan. The facts actually speak for themselves in all things and the facts point to Pakistan more than holding their own against their much larger, overhyped and arrogant neighbour. It is high time Indian fans accepted this.

Posted by Cricketfan101 on (January 28, 2013, 19:11 GMT)

India in ODI's for Left Arm Spinner Should Seriously Get Iqbal Abdulla In the Squad In Place Of Ashwin. Abdulla's List A Stats Are Very Impressive; Mat:50 Wkts:87 Ave:21.79 Econ:4.47

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on (January 28, 2013, 19:00 GMT)

As expected some Pakis are bitter that India is no.1 in ODIs. Almost all the teams lost to one team or the other at home or abroad. During such musical chairs, if the World Cup winner doesn't deserve to be no.1, then who does? But as per some Pakis, Pakistan deserves or most importantly for them India doesn't deserve. Lol...bitter people who ate lots of sour grapes! Get a life. Will ya? Congratulations to India for winning the ODI Series and for becoming no.1 in ODIs. Well played England. Congratulations for making it 2-3 in ODIs and for winning the test series. Thank you for visiting our Country. Hope you all enjoyed your stay in India. Cheers!

Posted by Cricketfan101 on (January 28, 2013, 18:56 GMT)

Its funny how Sehwag gets kicked out of the team and that after a long time of dhoni trying to get his own way i fear that was because he was only one that went against him.Despite Gambhir and Yuvraj failing consitantly they will stay because they are not against him

Posted by ImpartialExpert on (January 28, 2013, 18:20 GMT)

@Harmony111 I think we could have rested Yuvraj. Pujara at No. 3, Kohli 4 Raina 5 could have been the batting line up. It looks as if Dhoni is taking help of Gambhir in terms of field settings, bowling changes etc. Not a bad move now that he is one of the few experienced players in the side.

Posted by Sanjana_p on (January 28, 2013, 17:44 GMT)

hahaha looks like ppl like kiwis and others cant digest the fact that india won the series and no.1 rankings. loving this :D

Posted by Yousufahmedl on (January 28, 2013, 16:20 GMT)

@CoreDump (January 27 2013, 18:57 PM GMT) yes yes India are the greatest ever team to get whitewashed 4-0 in England and Australia in 2011. 8 consecutive test defeats in a row means India is forever the best. Brilliant stuff buddy.

Posted by Yousufahmedl on (January 28, 2013, 16:09 GMT)

@CoreDump, remember Aussies are all ready to thrash the INDIAN MINNOWS 4-0! ALL TESTS WILL BE OVER IN 2 OR 3 DAYS no matter what Indian stadia you play. Keep dreaming of umpiring specials to win matches. Otherwise minnow team India can never win matches as shown by the sensational LBW Cook got in the 4th ODI which is just the tip of the iceberg.

Posted by JG2704 on (January 28, 2013, 13:53 GMT)

@ SherjilIslam on (January 28 2013, 11:16 AM GMT) Thanks for the comms

@ Charlie101 on (January 28 2013, 09:15 AM GMT) Tredwell always seems to go unnoticed by so many. He just gets on with the job with no fuss and you look at the England bowling figures at the end of each inns (esp when Swann isn't there) and Tredwell often comes out on top. There are many aspects I am pessimistic about re our game in the shorter formats but Swann and Tredwell together is something I have genuine optimism for

Posted by JG2704 on (January 28, 2013, 13:48 GMT)

Re Eng's bowling , I thing we have 4 nailed on bowlers (as it stands) Finn,Anderson,Swann and Tredwell. The missing piece is that 5th bowler. My thinking is to have 2 or 3 part timers to make up the remaining 10 overs. I think whatever happens we need at least 6 bowling options and ideally I'd like to see 5 frontline bowlers in there but I'm not sure who I'd trust as a 5th bowler. Still feel we should have gone in with 2 pacers and Briggs as an extra spinner (at least tried it) in one of the ODIs in this series. Think that's the problem with our selectors in that they don't seem to realise that different formations work better in different conditions and they don't allow for such things. Pakistan recently went in with just one pace bowler in a shorter formats game and I think won the game. Briggs has also bowled powerplay overs etc at Hants. If it's tried and fails then fair enough but the most frustrating thing has been losing matches without trying anything to stop the rot

Posted by JG2704 on (January 28, 2013, 13:47 GMT)

Personally I'd like to see Hales and Wright both given decent opportunities in this format before our ODI squad for the next tournament is decided. IMO they have been our 2 best T20 batsmen over the last 12 months and both deserve their chance at 50 over level even if someone like KP or Morgan make way. Someone said about Wright not being good enough - citing previous failures - but his previous failures were a while ago and in the end he was coming in at 7 or 8 and not getting a bowl. We all saw his performances in the T20WC and I think he still has the fastest Big Bash 100. Hales has the highest T20 score in England colours too. I know that T20 and ODI are different formats and both may fail at the longer format but I'd like to find out by seeing what they can do.

Posted by JG2704 on (January 28, 2013, 13:47 GMT)

@CandidIndian on (January 27 2013, 21:01 PM GMT) Thanks for the congrats. However re "still good platform to give valuable experience to new players from both sides" - I agree , but with the exception of Root I'm not sure our selectors made the most of this platform

@Nampally on (January 27 2013, 21:10 PM GMT) re "My question is why was he selected at all in the squad if he was going to be Benched by Dhoni?" - Maybe he could compare notes with our guys Briggs and Meaker

Posted by Temuzin on (January 28, 2013, 13:22 GMT)

Al-Bundy, I agree that Pujara should be tried. But why try Mishra and Dindha? Haven't they been tried in past and lost their place. What great thing they have done since dropped that you suggest their inclusion? Look the problem with Indian selectors is the recycling of tested and failed players again and again and hoping they will become match winner. This way India will never get a true match winner. They should try new faces and you may get another Bhuvneshwar Kumar.

Posted by Solid_Snake on (January 28, 2013, 13:07 GMT)

@WakaPak->Already told him about those 5 matches.But Indian fans just had to add more & more matches..Anyways be it 8 or 9 matches..the fact is that our head to head record against India is far superior...Let them be happy on 5 matches :P

Posted by vinodzz on (January 28, 2013, 11:44 GMT)

YYY..why ?? ... nothing mentioned abt Ishant Sharma's spell & his wicket taking delivery of Cook......

Posted by IndiaNumeroUno on (January 28, 2013, 11:31 GMT)

Well done India on winning the series and the #1 rank!!

Posted by SherjilIslam on (January 28, 2013, 11:16 GMT)

For England, i would say James Tredwell is a revelation.I am an India fan, and i was just hoping in the last match that he doesn't get a wicket in his first over.But the inevitable happened. Taking wickets in first over of each match against India is a no mean feat.I hope he doesn't prove to be a one series wonder, my best wishes for him. As far as India is concerned, though we managed to win the series, but still our batting (top order) seems to be struggling.I think, it's a high time we include Jaffer in our Aus test squad,technically he is the best opener available at the moment and had loads of run under his belt.If he clicks, persist him with a year or two, and simultaneously look for younger openers.Also include Manoj Tiwari in the squad as Yuvi/Jadeja are not suited for test cricket. In bowling, I like to include Harbhajan in-place of Ashwin because of two reasons- 1.Give Ashwin a beak, so that he can work on his bowling and come back stronger.2.Bhajji's record against Aus.

Posted by JG2704 on (January 28, 2013, 9:49 GMT)

@ Shan156- TBH , I'm not sure what our best OD side is. I'm not even sure if our certs (guys like KP and Morgan) should be nailed on anymore. Both on their day are brilliant players but to me neither played all that well in India despite a a handful of scores between them. KP scored well in the previous game but looked extremely scratchy til Root came in. It was at times like he was trying to play the anchor role and KP is at his best when he comes down the pitch with intent. It reminded me of Trego for Somerset in that when he was trying to build an inns he looked nowhere near as effective as when he was letting his hands go. Our selectors don't think outside the box enough for my liking. I'd like to see Wright and Hales given an opportunity and if they consistently do better than one of our established players then keep them in. Tredwell (unless his form dips considerably) must play alongside Swann in T20/ODIs

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 28, 2013, 9:36 GMT)

@ImpartialExpert: Look, dropping VK/YS/SR/MS will not make sense. RJ is doing well too so he can't be dropped. Pujara is a batsman so no bowler can be dropped either. What does that leaves us with? Either GG or RS. But is Pujara an opener? Will it make sense to ask a non-opener to move up that too in his debut match that too on a place like Dharamsala? Playing Pujara there would have been simple foolish. It had a huge probability of going wrong and helping India in no way. Moreover, MS would want GG to be in form for the coming Aus series and RS had scored runs in the last match - so there too dropping them would not have made any strategic sense.

Just cos you have a talented player does it mean you have to play him even if you have to break your teams' structure?

Posted by A_Yorkshire_Lad on (January 28, 2013, 9:20 GMT)

@electric loco - Hilarious , totally hilarious ! You are the king of comedy ! "another miserable al-lround [sic] subcont showing in all forms " Erm , would that 'miserable showing' include a test series win , perchance ? Ah , priceless... BTW , what exactly is a ' toss-induced win ' ?? Do you mean that it wasn't the fact that England scored more runs than India that meant that they won the match , rather that it was the actual winning of the toss that caused them to be declared winners ? Oh , hang on , you ARE the king of comedy , though , aren't you ? Cheers !

Posted by Charlie101 on (January 28, 2013, 9:15 GMT)

Funny old game we send in posts ( myself included ) calling for Bresnan to be dropped and there he is a match winner !!! He still needs to regain his speed and have some therapy on the elbow .

I think JG2704 is absolutely right that Tredwell and Swann bowling in tandem is the way forward certainly in the subcontinent and perhaps in T20 as well .

Posted by mzm149 on (January 28, 2013, 9:01 GMT)

@wakaPAK: Couldn't agree with your more.

@Harmony111: Your comment looks funny. What is your point system of adding 2 for reaching final and 4 for winning it. Then by same logic subtract 2 for India when Pak reached world cup final and subtract 4 when Pak won the world cup. Similarly in World T20 subtract further 4 points for India because Pakistan won the cup once.

Even if Champions Trophy doesn't have the word "world" in it name, all the countries which play world cup also play this tournament.

If the context is ODI why are you bringing T20s by including 3 extra "world Cup" wins in the list.

Posted by bobmartin on (January 28, 2013, 8:54 GMT)

There's been a fair amount written on the subject of the effects of not having DRS in this series and let's face it, both sides have had some shockers, and not only from the home umpires. Having said that I wonder if the BCCI's objection to DRS has anything to do with the fact that the current apparent low standard of Indian umpires would be further exposed by it's introduction. If the BCCI would reverse its ludicrous stance on DRS, Indian umpires might learn from their mistakes leading to then making more correct decsions and who knows, some might become good enough to be appointed to the ICC Elite Panel, which at the moment is devoid of Indian representation.

Posted by shinewindies on (January 28, 2013, 8:20 GMT)

I am suprised at few people commenting here about flat tracks in India, i want to ask everyone out here who followed our home season since October, do you think these were flat tracks where Pakistan and England played barring couple of games, any one who would say that dont know even C of Cricket and are barely laymen. The 2nd, 3rd and 4th test match against England were all sporting wickets good for batsmen and bowlers( Spinners and seamers both), wickets against Pakistan were even more conducive to seam bowling and also wickets against England barring an odd game, so instaed of crticizing our mangement i would urge people to aleast appeciate this fact that we did produced sporting wickets this season. As far as the Indian team goes guys give us another 8 to 9 months and we would be back where we were in April 2011 in all formats of the game. Anyways i am a massive Ian Bell fan, looks most elegant in world cricket when on song, great innings against a swinging ball yesterday.

Posted by MartinC on (January 28, 2013, 8:11 GMT)

electric_loco_WAP4 if England lose 5-0 to New Zealand in the ODIs in the upcoming series that would be quite a feat. There are only 3 games scheduled.

3 20/20 games, 3 ODIs and 3 Tests. The one day rubbish comes before the main event which is the 3 Test matches.

Posted by g.narsimha on (January 28, 2013, 7:03 GMT)

BRAVO-BRAVO- YAA i got checked the stats available in this very web & TO MY UTTER SURPRISE PAKISTAN HAVE WHITE WASHES OF HATRICKS IN AUSTRALIA up to the last series in AUS u team have been white washed in every series u played there,- PAKS- last 3 series in AUS- 3-0, 3-0 , 3-0, U COULD NOT WIN IN WI A SINGLE SERIES recently even lost to SL in all formets SO THINK OF U R TEAM - see my dear whether OUR team is a minnow or got whitewashed, that only happed last year U PEOPLE ARE STILL CELEBRATING IT but one thing is sure every one including u r team always on toes to have a series with us thats INDIA , u india haters got apportunity in our recent loses but we will have whare whettals to bounce back u need not not worry - rather concentrat on u r team in SA THE LOWLY RANKED NZ won the odi-series - I DOUBT WHETHER U R TEAM CAN DO THAT , FORGET TESTS -

Posted by veerakannadiga on (January 28, 2013, 6:56 GMT)

A 3-2 scoreline is much better than a 4-1. The good thing about this series was that the crowd came back to throng the stadiums, spells good for Indian cricket.God Bless Us All. from a loyal Dravid fan.

Posted by wakaPAK on (January 28, 2013, 6:44 GMT)

@harmony111 According to you Pakistan has been defeated more than 5 times in "world cups" and you proudly said India defeated Pakistan 9:0 in response to solid_snake and then you say ICC champions trophy is not a "world" event because you cant find the word "world" in it so Pakistan has never defetaed India in "world cup". You are very smart, a good technical point but you could be a lot more smarter if your judgment wasn't clouded by your hate against Pakistan for example the ICC World T20 was not a "cup". Just saying you know and we know it, every Pak vs India match is important.. doesnt matter it is WC or a bilateral series and it's also a fact that limited over games are played on flat pitches to negate the superiority of bowling and to entertain the crowd to generate more money; such matches do not show skills of a batsman or bowler and the new laws are pro-bowling so let's see how India performs in this new era...

Posted by   on (January 28, 2013, 6:36 GMT)

England have won the final ODI but still there is a lot which needs to be improved from their side particulary in batting. For one, could not understand the number of maiden overs conceded by their batsman. Every innings had atleast 6-8 overs as maidens and it was pathetic to see this in one day cricket. Their batsman need to learn from the likes of Raina and Dhoni how to rotate the strike and steal singles. Even when the bowling is good, there should be an attempt to rotate the strike and disturb the rthym of the bowler. But all this was lacking. The team requires flair. The problem is the approach is the same whether the match is played on English wickets or placcid Indian ones. To keep prodding for 40 overs and hit out in the last ten overs but then this will policy will not work in Indian conditions. So they have a poor record in India in ODI. Somebody needs to take charge and have a go at the bowlers and the other end can keep prodding. Hopefully the new coach will improve things

Posted by Solid_Snake on (January 28, 2013, 6:18 GMT)

@spiritwithin->England was flying high after India's 4-0..So they continued that momentum & won the Test series again.Series result would have been 3-0 this time but India barely escaped another Bluewash..& in ODI..Well Fans should be happy that now other players also have started helping out Dhoni who won so many matches all alone.Now it's a good sign that now all the top order great batsmen who (went into Hibernation mode after hearing Pak tour),are awake again :P

Posted by IndianSRTfan on (January 28, 2013, 5:55 GMT)

Congratulations to the England team and their supporters. It was a good all round performance by your guys in the 5th match. Congrats to India too. We won the series.We have had a torrid time recently but three wins in this series were by good margin. 3-2 result shows England put up a good fight. Dunno if anyone remembers but exactly a year ago 0-8 was. Legends have retired, I think its time for youngsters to step up and perform both at home and overseas. And I believe we can be a great side again. Only thing is patience is needed. Era of Sachin Dravid Laxman Ganguly Kumble didn't happen overnight.Chances were given to them and they took them and performed.It takes time. Lastly to all those trolls out there, especially Pakis, remember that our cupboards are not bare like you We have enough talent n resources to be the best Go and worry about your team and hope those bowlers you keep harping about have enough integrity to not indulge in corruption get it? GL to team India

Posted by spiritwithin on (January 28, 2013, 5:38 GMT)

@electric_loco_WAP4..srry dude but u have to accept that Eng played very well and this coming from an indian fan..they were a superior test team in this tour whereas india was a better ODI team but overall England will be a happy side considering theu won the all important test series...and i will bet on my life that Eng wont lose any series to NZ

Posted by KiwiRocker- on (January 28, 2013, 5:26 GMT)

ICC ratings are a farce really. A so called sixth ranked team Pakistan hammered India in their own backyard despite Indian umpires costing Pakistan 3rd ODI and overall poor umpiring. This series result of 3-2 with England is also highly misleading. Rankings are just there to lull Indian fans into fantasy land. What exactly has India won? India was not in final of tri series in Australia. India was booted out of Asia cup. India is an average team in ODI's a poor team in tests and T20. If you see from first to last ODI, England last three matches all due to poor umpiring. Here is a recap: Dhoni should have been out at 6 in second ODI but he went on to score 72. Cook on other hand got a poor decision. In third ODI, Piterson got a bad decision. In fourth ODI, umpire Asrani gave Cook out LBW even before Ashwin finished appeal.Unfortunately, this 3-2 result does not reflect that how well England has played and have actually outclassed India despite missing Broad, Swann,Prior,Trott and Jimmy!

Posted by KiwiRocker- on (January 28, 2013, 5:25 GMT)

The last ODI loss epitomoises India's problems.It shows how poor captain Dhoni is. One can not help but feel for Pujara, Tiwary and Dinda. Pujara never got a chance despite being in team for his performance. Tiwary never got a chance despite do everything he can. Dinda is miles ahead of likes of Shami Ahmad and Bhunesh Kumar who are unnecessayr hyped. What exactly Bhuvnesh Kumar nad Shami achieved? Five and four wickets respectively at an average of 40 and 60? India's best paced was Ishant Kumar and at best he is also average. Shami Ahmar and Bhuvnesh bowl length balls and are totally unsuited for death overs. Dhoni knows this and tried to get rid of their overs quickely. Ashok Dinda on other hand is promising with a good yorker. England has lost series 3-2 depsite one of the worse umpiring seen in recent times.Root, Bell, Finn, Treadwell all shone..but for India Rahane, Sehwag, Ashwin, Kholi and Yuvraj were a big failure. Why is Rohit Sharma in team? This notion of talented is flawed!

Posted by mrcool on (January 28, 2013, 5:17 GMT)

I wonder whats fault of robin uthappa..he never got continuous chances as opener despite good show in odi while vijay,rahane,gambhir,parthiv patel got continuous chances.

Posted by electric_loco_WAP4 on (January 28, 2013, 4:59 GMT)

At last ,Eng have won a game ... something a very long odds of possibility given their record of 2W : 20-odd L in the past 25 or so ODIs in India! But that does not take away from another miserable al-lround subcont showing in all forms save for a toss induced 2-odd run win in a v flat Rajkot pitch. It could have been yet another whitewash in a test/ODI series otherwise for Eng . Don't think luck will help again shortly in NZ where a 5-0 NZ whitewash of Eng looms in the ODI leg of the tour,,,,, possibly a 1-1 series tie in the tests....

Posted by CandidIndian on (January 28, 2013, 4:52 GMT)

Well India is the only Asian team in last 10 years to win test series in Eng and WI and drawn series in Aus and SA ,also they are only Asian team to beat Aussies in test series twice(whitewash once) even if that happened at home.Well if we see other way round two other big teams from Asia ,that is SL and Pak didnt get whitewashed so badly either.Looking at the kind of temperament and patience Indian youngsters have shown when ball is moving , i wonder which record will India improve,former or latter.Apologies if i sound cynical but repetition of good performances in Aus,SA and Eng ,looks a distant dream for now.

Posted by CandidIndian on (January 28, 2013, 4:18 GMT)

@Nampally-I am sure you remember a test match against SA few years ago when India did not have any reserve batsman and on the morning of the match Rohit who was all set to make his test debut got injured and Dhoni was forced to play Saha , a reserve wicketkeeper.Here in this match Rahane and Pujara both were sitting out, now it does not make sense to release only Pujara and not Rahane as both are important players for their respective Ranji teams.If both were released and some batsman had got injured during morning of the match then we would have seen Amit Mishra playing in place of that batsman and then Dhoni would have got much more criticism like he got in that match against SA which i mentioned earlier.Pujara should have got chance in this series for a match or two in place of Gambhir or Yuvi.

Posted by ImpartialExpert on (January 27, 2013, 22:06 GMT)

@Nampally S. Nadeem seems like the best best for ODIs. I think people will find it difficult to score quickly of him. I am not worried about the fast bowling department. We have enough talent and I think things would fall in place in a year. Spin department is a real cause for worry. I dont see anybody who can run through the sides nor do I see too many that can break a partnership. We need someone who can do a bit of both. That spot is definitely vacant. After Anil Kumble nobody really did that job convincingly enough.

Posted by The_bowlers_Holding on (January 27, 2013, 21:51 GMT)

There are definetly some positives for both sides from this series losing 3-2 isn't so bad but it is still a loss but it is pretty far from the 5-0 the 4-1 that a certain G.simp7 was predicting, interestingly (to me anyway) whoever won the toss won every one of the games in this series.

Posted by Al_Bundy1 on (January 27, 2013, 21:20 GMT)

Dhoni may be a great ODI captain but his choices in terms of team selection are hurting India. This was the best time to try Pujara, Mishra, and Dinda. He could have rested Yuvraj, Ashwin, and Ishant.

Posted by Nampally on (January 27, 2013, 21:10 GMT)

@ImpartialExpert: Thank yuo for your courteous responses. I noticed in one of your responses queried Why Pujara was denied playing even a single ODI? My question is why was he selected at all in the squad if he was going to be Benched by Dhoni? Pujara clearly stated that he has nothing to prove in terms of his capability. I agree 100% with Pujara who scored an aggregate of 397 runs in 4 Tests at an average of 87 against the same England team but at full strength(Anderson, Swann & Panesar in XI). No Indian batsman came close to his score. So he established himself as the best Batsman in India currently by his record. My guess is Dhoni feels threatened by Pujara's presence & is trying to prove he is not good enough to be in XI. But on what basis? Pujara has already proved he is the best. So if he is in squad, he makes it ahead of anyone else. Dhoni should have common sense & humility to acknowledge this if he is a "True Sportsman".

Posted by CandidIndian on (January 27, 2013, 21:01 GMT)

@JG2704 ,@Shan156 and other Eng friends-Hey guys, congrats for the victory,Eng team outclassed us in Test series(once again) and hopefully when we meet next time for discussing India-Eng test series ,i dearly wish India team will be much more competitive than they are now.My personal opinion is that with World Cup tournament in place these bilateral ODI series dont have much value,still good platform to give valuable experience to new players from both sides. However this ODI series victory will give some confidence and relief to new players in Indian side since India have been struggling from long time now.Like i have mentioned earlier that Eng dont have much to worry as addition of Anderson ,Swann, Trott and Bairstow will make ODI unit very strong too.Positive thing is that apart from first ODI all other matches had pitches which helped bowlers too, unlike usual flat wickets in India.Anyways all the best for next series ,cheers.

Posted by scritty on (January 27, 2013, 20:44 GMT)

Winning a home ODI series by the odd game is the sum level of Indias success during Englands tour this winter. An Indian team that supposedly has taken T20 to a new level in IPL and is a formidable test side at home and ODI world champs..and what have they to show for it? ONE ODI difference, a lost test series and a drawn T20 series AT HOME. That's after being given a right royal caning in England 3-0 3-0 1-0 16 months ago. So INdia in INdia..average at best - and that's only if you rate ODI's equal to tests (and in the entire world only India and Sri Lanka seem to even consider that ludicrous idea) But away from home India are AB-SO-LUTELY KER-BATTERED Destroyed to the point of embarrasment in ALL FORMS of the game. Of that there is NO DOUBT If that's something to brag about you Indian fans must be very easily pleased. If your team can't admit to its shortcomings, how can they overcome them?

Posted by Temuzin on (January 27, 2013, 20:42 GMT)

Its like weighing frogs for Dhoni and Duncan. Whenever they think that a position in the team is sorted out another position becomes problem. I sincerely hope Gambhir got his last chance. Rohit Sharma gifted in being inconsistent. He plays one inning and everybody particularly Bombay commentators get drooling, over hyping and praising him and then next 20 matches fans start ranting and calling him a NOHIT ( because now his next 20 innings will be under 10). Kojli is seriously distacted. I think the lure of him being talked as a future captain has gotten into his head. Sooner some one smacks him to focus as a batsman first, he may go Kambli's way. Now Unmukt Chand, pujara and Shikhar Dhawan should be called in. Happy for Jadeja though he has picked up his game and is performing very well. He needs to play up the order though.

Posted by Shan156 on (January 27, 2013, 20:39 GMT)

@Harmony111, good analysis about Finn and Cummins. I wish you would post moer comments like this. Re: Tredwell, Swann's presence means he won't get too many chances since Eng. are reluctant to play 2 specialist spinners outside of Asia. Besides, both are off-break bowlers. However, I also think that Eng. should play their best XI and if that includes both of them, then so be it.

Root has impressed one and all and if you are getting praised by a great like Gavaskar, you really must be good. Gavaskar was full of praise for young Joe Root. He looks like he would be an important part of Eng's future and should be part of the first choice test XI surely. Feels silly that Eng. actually played Patel ahead of Root in the first 3 tests.

Posted by nyc_missile on (January 27, 2013, 20:35 GMT)

Folks cribbing about bowling,get a grip.This is the only game where they failed.In ODIs it's batting that wins you games,period.There's only so much they can do given the limitations and lack of a genuine quickie.Won't be surprised if Gambhir & Yuvraj have played their last ODI for a while if the selectors show some spine i.e.been utterly hopeless despite the number of matches they had to re-establish themselves.

Poor Rahane fails a couple and gets dropped mercilessly.Why not the same standards for the dead-wood in the team?? This obsession about Jadeja is deceptive.He might click on home pitches that too once in a while so will hold my judgement on him.To me,it seems even in ODIs its a big daddy's club.Dhoni protects Gambhir & Yuvraj and they in turn wont point a finger at his atrocious captaincy/selection.Nice arrangement bury upcoming prospects.

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 27, 2013, 20:27 GMT)

@mzm149: Do you see "World" being mentioned anywhere in the trophy name for ICC Champion's Trophy? In any case, it hardly has any reputation, no one seems to care too much for it and ICC has already decided to shelve it after 2013 cos it was diff to find a time window for it or to make it look more reputed. btw, India has been in its finals once and won it once while Pak has done neither so the one place where you could have said +2 actually becomes +6 for India again --- that's +2 for reaching the finals and +4 for winning it.

@Shan156: I like JD for real. He has the confidence to try his variety in crucial moments. Compare this with Dinda who just can't bowl even a normal slower ball. JD has the skills & he also knows the timing of using what when. He struggles in being focused and sticking to a plan. In chess it is easy to follow Plan1 for 4 moves and then suddenly shift to plan 2 once you see it even though it may be too late/risky to shift. JD often shifts like this.

Posted by Mitch1066 on (January 27, 2013, 20:13 GMT)

I'm quite pleased with england performances in India we won test drew t20 lost odi but least we did not get whitewashed which Indian were preaching . I think on balance India did best us in three odi they won but I think England can take positive we improving in sub continent . Well done to India on odi victory . But why do people have bring Pakistan into this ?

Posted by alarky on (January 27, 2013, 20:09 GMT)

Is it that the English selectors are being cocky because they picked a team that beat India in the test series at home this year, or is it a case of their poor managerial judgement that they went to india to play ODI cricket without their three best bowlers - some of them being RESTED! I guess they did this because they were afraid of the 5 to nil drubbing again, after winning a test series against the older men; and wanted the excuse to say that India won because their best bowlers did not play. In other words, they seem to be afraid of Dhoni and his young enthusiatic Indian outfit, not the old "Has Beens". In fact, Anderson said that they are not afraid of the old guard; neither do they respect them any more. But, he's running away from those young guns who put a 5 to nil drubbing on him in 2011. So Indian selectors, take note of this: International players have no fear for any part of the old Indian cricket regime - they fear Dhoni and his young and ruthless well oiled India machine

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 27, 2013, 20:05 GMT)

@Shan156: By the time I came to say something for Tredwell and Root I was out of my word quota.

Reg Finn, he had impressed me last year too and that was around the time Cummins also came in. At that time I had said that Finn had a style that will make him injury prone while Cummins had a smooth style which puts his body in minimal stress. Evidently, I was wrong but for Cummins his injuries are more due to his then teenage body that was/is still growing. Specifically, his bones are still growing and these bones have bone plates on their ends that respond to strain but also makes them prone to injuries. So far Finn has been lucky and in a way his bent style protects his spine+knees from extra strain by transferring it to his hips/thighs.

Tredwell did well but he is 30+ and I am not sure if he would again have such a tour. I hope he does well in the future too. A bit like Monty - No one thought they will do well but they were the best. Encore?

Root was imp. I am sure he will go long.

Posted by Sanjana_p on (January 27, 2013, 20:01 GMT)

Rest assured, one thing i've understood here is that Indian fans , except for a few, never give others a flak except when others ask for it! And boy do the indian fans give back if you mess with them! LOVING IT! Proud of you guys for blasting these green eyed fags :D Now Im waiting for India to rise back up and id luv to see these anti indian guys speak at that time. As for now when we are down, like u have realised below, dont mess unnecessarily please, as most of u anti ind ppl have got it left, right and centre and sometimes even below with a bang and thats evident when we read the comments! You asked for it and you got whipped lol. Keep it up ind fans! loving this :D (But salutations and respects to other pak,eng and some sl fans for the respect given to us, ..the respect is mutual guys ;) )

Posted by Shan156 on (January 27, 2013, 19:59 GMT)


"also winning by 3-2 against any top side is not an embarrasment"

Are you suggesting that Eng. are a top side then? Most of your fellow Indian fans seem to think that Eng. are minnows.

Anyway, congrats to India for winning the series. Well done.

@JG2704, I think that there are some positives to take out of this series - namely, Root and Tredwell. Finn, I thought, bowled well too. However, we need to find the identity of the 5th bowler. This is where Bopara lent some balance to the side. It looks tempting to play both Swann and Tredwell although it won't lend variety to the attack as they are both similar bowlers. Cook, Bell, Trott, KP, Morgan, Bairstow/Buttler, Broad, Swann, Tredwell, Anderson, Finn looks a good XI although the question would be asked - do we really need 2 spinners in the side in Eng? Had Bopara or Bresnan taken their chances, replace Tredwell with one of them and that would look like a really good ODI side.

Posted by mzm149 on (January 27, 2013, 19:54 GMT)

@Harmony111: Then you must include Champions Trophy matches in the list as well in which Pak beat India every time they met.

Posted by getsetgopk on (January 27, 2013, 19:49 GMT)

gsingh7: Do you wana talk about test cricket, the prime format of the game? Or any other India fan on here? Is there any other team in the whole of sub continent worth their salt who could claim to match PAKISTAN's record in test cricket? A whole Indian generation has waited more than half a century to have their first test win on Pakistan's soil. Wont be surprised if no one shows up. ODI's and T20's are inferior formats of the game.

Posted by ImpartialExpert on (January 27, 2013, 19:48 GMT)

@Harmony111 Re: Pujara should feel bad for not getting a single game though I can understand MSD's mind Care to explain the above statement? Even though I am a Dhoni (fluctuating) fan I am unable to understand why he would not give Pujara a chance. The only thing I could come up with was that Dhoni does not want to tamper with Pujara's technique required for tests which sounds silly to me. So I am really trying to understand what was Dhoni thinking

Posted by Shan156 on (January 27, 2013, 19:44 GMT)

@Sathish.Velu, Glad that you finally got your revenge?:-) From what Kohli, Raina, Gambhir, et al were saying before the test series, we thought you really wanted a revenge for the 0-4 loss in the test series in England. Well, that didn't really work out but I am glad that you got some 'revenge'.

Also, why would we be jealous of India? Were you jealous of Aus. when they won 3 consecutive WCs? Were you jealous of Pak. when they won the T20 WC in 2009 and of Eng. when they won it in 2010?

"let them bark. they cant bite", and you can bite?

Posted by ImpartialExpert on (January 27, 2013, 19:42 GMT)

@Nampally on (January 27 2013, 19:17 PM GMT) You are right. But I am planning to following Indian domestic cricket more closely to get a sense of what lies ahead of Indian cricket. We seem to have a talented bunch of bowlers who need grooming and exposure to international cricketing standard. I was just watching the Ranji final highlights and I think you would not gets wickets for most balls that got wickets in that match. So definitely the bowlers are in for a shock once they face cricket at the highest level. So we need to have plans to develop them.

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 27, 2013, 19:42 GMT)

@getsetgopk: Context is ODIs here FYI.

@mzm149: Its not 8-0 but 9-0. And look, Ind won 3 of those tournaments plus reached the finals of a 4th one. More importantly, even when Pak went on to win that tournament or reached the Finals, India had still beaten them in the earlier matches. So what does that tell you? It tells you that whether Pak are in top form or in poor form, they are no more than a toy for India in World Tournaments.

In fact even in the last Asia Cup, Pak won it but look at the way India smashed Pak's sp called GREAT bowlers into submission. Kohli literally torpedoed your Gul & Ajmal and scored 183 helping India to chase 300+ runs to win the match. What were Pak's talented bowlers doing in that match huh?

@ Solid_Snake: So what if it was 1985? It still was/is cricket. You were not born in Don's time so does he not matter to you? And look, SRT avgs 45 in ODIs facing him + each time Shoaib got SRT in ODIs, India won the match (5) HOWWWZAAT?

Posted by bumsonseats on (January 27, 2013, 19:38 GMT)

we won the tests as we were the best side we drew the T20 as there was little between the sides we lost the odis as india were better and by far the best of b side or whatever rubbish has been said. to say if drs has been in place etc, it was not, end of story. so what did England get out of the tour. we did better than i ever thought and in my opinion the best result we have or any side we have sent to asia.

Posted by Shan156 on (January 27, 2013, 19:36 GMT)


"Eng should still give JD more chances - I like him too."

Of course, why wouldn't you? JD is the favorite Eng. player for the opposition:-) Hopefully, we will not see him in England colors for a while. After this comment about JD, I am not sure if you were really praising Finn, Tredwell, and Root:-)

Posted by Nampally on (January 27, 2013, 19:17 GMT)

@ImpartialExpert:Re: Indian Bowling choices, You seem to be focussing on the recent bowlers alone. Whilst you comment on B.Kumar, Ishant & Shami amongst the seamers, you forget that there are at least another 10 seamers available. Yadev, Aaron, P.Kumar,A.Dinda, Sreesanth are the guys who played for India in the past. In addition there are a crop of youngsters like Ishwar Pandey, Sandeep Sharma, A. Singh, etc. There are also a huge pool of spinners & the leading amongst them are: S.Nadeem (LH spinner), S.Gupta, A.Konwan, V.Joshi, Aparajith (all off spinners). There are 3 recognized right arm leg spinners too : Rahul Sharma, A.Mishra & P.Chawla.BCCI should run training/Coaching camps for the bowlers to bring them up to the requisite standards so that there is a pool of bowlers always available for selection. Most Fans assume that there is lack of bowlers in India. But there is too much focus on Mediocre "All rounders" which deprives really good bowlers of any chances of recognition.

Posted by gsingh7 on (January 27, 2013, 19:06 GMT)

@ getset--- where is law of average when india beat pak 9-0 in wc matches which matters?? or is it in pak destiny to lose every single wc game , if so long may it continue. also india fully deserve no 1 slot and series win as india outplayed england in all games expect first and last. india have shown its fortitude in odis by winning 2nd wc at mumbai and top rank in mohali and laid the challenge to world, lets see who can conquer their top rating by winning against the world champions

Posted by   on (January 27, 2013, 19:02 GMT)

@mark2011 - just like the 5-0 whitewashes that england gave to india in the last 3 tours ? oh wait..

Posted by   on (January 27, 2013, 19:00 GMT)

@Solid snake : pak lost 10 and won 6 odis last year before indian series. they are a pathetic odi side. got hammered by england in odi's 4-0 and lost to lanka 3-1 in a game when they were cruising and then lost 2-1 to australia in dubai in home like conditions. that must really hurtt. pakistan rightly deserves to play more matches against bangladesh before they can compete with better teams.

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 27, 2013, 18:57 GMT)

Anyways to bring a closure to all this, Ind were not at their best in this ODI series and should now reconsider the value of Ashwin and Gambhir. Ishant suddenly seems to have improved by 35% overnight and Bhuvnesh/Shami have done enough to hold to their slots. Rahane despite failing should remain in the team and Pujara should feel bad for not getting a single game though I can understand MSD's mind. Others things went well for India cos VK/YS should be back in from pretty soon.

For Eng, Finn must be the best result though Tredwell/Root also did well. Whe Finn 1st came in 3 yrs back I did not think much of him and in fact thought he would get injured more often due to his delivery style where he seems to be bending a bit awkwardly at the time of releasing vis-a-vis Cummins who I thought had/has a much smoother action. But Finn now has become a very good bowler. I have become a fan of him. Eng should still give JD more chances - I like him too.

I hope I am not accused of anything now.

Posted by groundreality on (January 27, 2013, 18:57 GMT)

@LegB4wkt - Wow, having so many awesome bowlers and you still got whitewashed in Aus tests [same result as India] and nearly whitewashed in home ODI series against India? Your batsmen must be reeeaaaalllllly poor then lol!

Posted by avi_1213 on (January 27, 2013, 18:56 GMT)

@ak47_pk lol meaningless series.. let me tell u wat does a "meaningless " series actually means.. it was the ind pak series wich was meaningless .. just to make sure that pak gets some matches to play .. and beating a tired and out of form indian team in a meaningless series made u all so happy.. wow.. its sad to see comments full of rubbish.. rarely any comment appreciating b kumar finn tredwell who have been outstanding this series.. kumar might not have got the wckts but he bowled brilliantly with no luck... rarely do i see comments which actually acknowledge an opposition player's performance.. instead these pak sl and bd fans come here and start.."junaid is the next waseem and blah blah" .. yes hes a good bowler but comparing him to wasim so early just shows ur stupidty.. and we are here to discuss ind vs eng.. not ur pak team...

Posted by groundreality on (January 27, 2013, 18:53 GMT)

@LegB4wkt - Wow, having so many awesome bowlers and you still got whitewashed in Aus tests [same result as India] and nearly whitewashed in home ODI series against India? Your batsmen must be reeeaaaalllllly poor then lol!

Posted by getsetgopk on (January 27, 2013, 18:52 GMT)

All India got on Pak are some micky mouse 5 ODI's spread across a period of 40 years. The quality of a cricket team is always judged in test cricket. Pak won its first test on its first ever tour to India way back in 1952 and India won a test match in Pak in 2004. If one is any good with basic math and could count the years in between 1952 and 2004 the figure they will be looking at is 52 years. Like I said, Indian cricket is all about the law of averages, you keep on playing so once in 52 years (thats more than half a century, close to a complete generation) you are bound to win a test match.

haq33: I agree with this name 'flat track minnows', a very appropriate reflection on the kind of cricket they play.

Posted by sirviv on (January 27, 2013, 18:40 GMT)

I wonder what the result would have been if Raina was caught by tredwell, or even cook. Well done Bell, you ended both test and odi series on a high note. All the best and congrats on your newest member in the family

Posted by Solid_Snake on (January 27, 2013, 18:31 GMT)

@Harmony111->Talking about the bhajji six..Lol the Same Akhtar showed Sachin & other Great Indian batsmen the way to pavilion so many times.Hitting six is no big deal.Taking a wicket is.Are you telling me that no other great bowler got hit by a six by lower order batsmen?What great achievement was that..Bhajji should have been awarded a gold medal for hitting a six..Salute to that six... & i wont go into 1985 matches,i wasn't even born then.W.100 runs in 5 overs lol...When Players like Ross Taylor are given a few lives,then that's the result one get.

Posted by LegB4wkt on (January 27, 2013, 18:30 GMT)

@Posted by GeoffreysMother ; Are you serious??? you are comparing Kulasekara to these Indian club bowlers ?? huh haaa... joke of the century. Speaking of pace, Even Eranga is doing over 145 km/h not mention SL speedster Malinga. I say Bangladesh have a better pace attack than Indians. Didn't you see how Poms pounded on this mediocre bowler Kumar ?? And he went wicketless too. :)))) huh huh haaa... Aussies are gonna annihilate these Indian Club bowlers n thats a fact. !!!!

Posted by mzm149 on (January 27, 2013, 18:29 GMT)

meaningless hurried tiny ODI series, players going through worst phase of their life, team in transition, ... no doubt Indian fans come with interesting excuses whenever they lose just like their captain Dhoni.

About 8-0 world cup loses, as if India won 8 world cups and beat Pakistan comprehensively in the final in all of them.

Posted by AK47_pk on (January 27, 2013, 18:22 GMT)

Wow indians are talking about bowling. Lol do they kno anything about bowling? Lets add batting in to it aswel lol

Posted by nyc_missile on (January 27, 2013, 18:18 GMT)

What's new?India have lost another game after a couple wins..thanks MSD for not disappointing us..time to drop the thoughtless,selfish,spineless captain who is hell bent on destroying young careers. Pujara, Rahane,Tiwary feel sad for you..Dhoni and Srinivasan are the chief enemies of Ind cricket!!

Posted by   on (January 27, 2013, 18:15 GMT)

India struggled on its own grounds! IPL is decling indian cricket and their so called "talented" players like ishant sharma,bhuvneshwar,Ashwin and Shami Ahmed are not capable of taking wickets...I can see the dark future of Indian Cricket....

Posted by Solid_Snake on (January 27, 2013, 18:15 GMT)

@getsetgopk->Wanna add one more thing in that long list of Failures... Include Aussies in it too..Because Aussies are gonna do the same thing to team India.I am expecting some more Ads on TV regarding taking revenge from Ausies.But in end of the tour same fate would be awaiting just like England :)

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 27, 2013, 18:14 GMT)

@Solid_Snake: Dear it is 9-0 indeed. Ind have thrashed Pak 5 times in WC, 3 times in WT20 and once in World Championship in 1985 in Aus. And did you really mean it when you said Ind have won ONLY 5 times vs Pak in WCs? 5-0 seems ONLY to your eyes? So it seems you want more of it. Wait for 2015 WC, Ind will once again beat the daylights of Pak there if they have a match there.

As for Pak pacers vs Ind pacers, look, Ind pacers restricted your team to 177 in 1985 WC Final and chased it losing only 2 wickets. So which team's pacers did better huh? Remember Sharjah 1987? Ind bowled Pak for a shameful 87. Remember WC QF 96? Prasad humiliated Sohail by bowling him right after a taunt? And what great Pak bowlers you talk of? Our Bhajji smashed your Shoaib for a massive 6 in Asia Cup 2010. Just imagine. An ordinary lower order batsman - someone who could only bat a bit smashing your fastest ever bowler for a solid 6.

Btw, which team went for 100 runs in last 5 overs in WC 2011 huh?

Posted by ImpartialExpert on (January 27, 2013, 18:12 GMT)

@Nampally You really make a good point there about Yuvraj at No. 6. I think he should play one day cricket like t20. He is our x factor now that Sehwag is not in the picture. I do not think Kohli will make a good No. 5. When he tries to blast away from the start he often fails. While there is more than a realistic chance that Raina will make a good No. 4 since he can also be good at No. 5 or 6 I would rather have him at No. 5. If Raina scores 90 out of 100 at No. 4 and 80 at No. 4 because Kohli scores 55 at No 5 and 90 at No. 4 I would have Kohli at No. 4 and Raina at No. 5 because it's a team sport. While I don't know much abt other spinners I have noticed that V. Joshi is a good spinner. Good loop etc. But he should work on his fitness before he can make it into the national side.Its not abt just fielding but you need be fit even for ur bowling to come good in internation matches.Hope the selectors work with him for 6 months abt his fitness before he is drafted into the national side

Posted by Rohan1210 on (January 27, 2013, 18:11 GMT)

India despite losing the match won the series. I think making sure of a series win earlier made the Indian boys a little bit casual about the last ODI. But, they shud have won today's game to make the no.1 spot a little more stronger. Now losing this match they have again put their current rank in danger.

Posted by haq33 on (January 27, 2013, 18:09 GMT)

Hi Harmony111. My main point was that the illusion of Indian home strength has been decisively broken over the last few months. It is purely home pitch optimization and insistence upon special dispensations that have given India their home "strength" over the last decade. Top teams now realise how silly they were fearing travelling to the home of the "flat-track minnows" all these years, and the loss of that baseless fear will immediately improve their performances in India (as we have seen with England and Pakistan). Tours to India will always remain tricky, however we now realize that this is not because of some supreme unattainable talent that Indian batsmen posess but rather because of the home playing field being tilted so much in favour of BCCI's poster boys. Good luck against Oz.

Posted by kalyanbk on (January 27, 2013, 18:08 GMT)

Dhoni should explain why Pujara (the most technically correct batsman) was not played in this dead rubber. For that matter why was Amit Mishra and all the other players on bench not given a chance? If they were not going to be played, then why not release them so they can play in the Ranji? Dhoni has a set of players who he backs and if you are unfortunately not among them, you need to find another career. If you are in that clique, no matter how badly you play, you will keep getting chances.

Posted by dharsanti on (January 27, 2013, 18:06 GMT)

why can't they play against good bowling, Coz it needs commitment even if you perfect techniques. Once faced with good bowling kohli,yuvi loose their concentration. They were not able to play consistently against pakistan, coz pakistan had good pace and spin bowlers with variety. Against england when ever they bowled good they could not play. Monte Pansar made them look like ordinary player. In domestic cricket they play against bowlers like Sharma and Ashwan and that makes them look good. They do not get chance to practice against quality bowlers.

Posted by cyniket on (January 27, 2013, 18:02 GMT)

REVENGE! wow, India really sent a message to the world there! After england humiliated india in england, India... got trounced in the home test series, drew the t20s and edged a meaningless odi series. Boom, no one's gonna mess with india again after that! And now the aussies are on the way to enjoy beating the indian pussycats.

Posted by getsetgopk on (January 27, 2013, 18:01 GMT)

Quite frankly India is an over hyped team and a bowling attack that shouldn't be called bowling 'attack' as the word attack inherently carries a sense of threat. It isn't something new either, 65 years and they are yet to have a fast bowler of any class. Indian cricket is all about the law of averages. You keep on playing games and you are bound to win some. The very reason why teams play India is not because there is any prospects of getting high quality cricket but rather boards make money there. I agree they are a huge market and anything that remotely resembles cricket, sells in India, IPL is shining example. Congratulations to England C team on this thumping win.

Posted by ImpartialExpert on (January 27, 2013, 18:00 GMT)

@CoreDump BD Team may well have made statements in bad taste. It's their problem. All I am trying say is that the reason some of BD fans make illogical (truly) statements like calling the Indian team minnows is disrepectful statements made by Sehwag. I think it just became a street fight where you are just calling each other names and false accusing each other without any logic or commonsense. When I am saying Sehwag should not said those things I am not thinking abt BD fans would take it. It's abt Sehwag and his attitude. For all we care BD fans could simply have dismissed Sehwag's comments like we can dismiss BD fans reactions now instead of discussing them. But Sehwag was still wrong in being disrepectful and arrogant.

Posted by JG2704 on (January 27, 2013, 17:52 GMT)

@28041991 on (January 27 2013, 12:54 PM GMT) I agree that it's sour grapes from the guy you responded too , but to cite Sachin (who has retired and many wanted out of the Indian set up) , Zaheer,Harby and Sehwag who were all dropped because of poor form is not quite the same. BTW , Kumar was one of your best players and Rahane (unless there's more than 1 by that name) played vs England in 2011 so is not a rookie. Oh and on (January 27 2013, 13:56 PM GMT) . What a really mature piece of writing there

Posted by jb633 on (January 27, 2013, 17:52 GMT)

A good win for the lads but it is pretty meaningless. I said before the series started that not many England fans will be too upset that the we will lose the ODI series so long as we win the tests. However the series has thrown up a lot of questions about the ODI team for the future. First thing we need to sort out is the seam attack. I am not really sure anyone knows what the best seam attack is, but I would not even be dismissive of the idea of playing both Swann and Tredwell. Both are consistent performers and both do not rely solely on turn to be effective. Finn and Jimmy are a given but the third spot is still very much up in the air. In terms of keepers I would personally like to see Prior given a go in the middle order despite his historically poor record.

Posted by JG2704 on (January 27, 2013, 17:52 GMT)

@spiritwithin on (January 27 2013, 12:11 PM GMT) Fact is , it wasn't a full strength England side although it also wasn't a B or C side either. I'd say England were 3 short of what the selectors would call their full strength side. Fact is though that the games India won were by such a margin that 3-2 probably flattered us. BTW for someone with such a user name you do cry wolf an awful lot

@Solid_Snake on (January 27 2013, 11:44 AM GMT) And in ODIs your Pakistan side did better vs England?

@Harmony111 on (January 27 2013, 14:10 PM GMT) This is you not starting a fire then?

@Front-Foot-Lunge on (January 27 2013, 15:02 PM GMT) No need for that. Both teams had instances where DRS would have helped them

Posted by gsingh7 on (January 27, 2013, 17:50 GMT)

good thing that youngsters like tredwell and samit came this time , if swann or jimmy had come 5-0 was on cards like last 2 times , with swann taken to cleaners by dhoni and sachin

Posted by getsetgopk on (January 27, 2013, 17:47 GMT)

I saw someone referring to India as a 'flat track bully', with all due respect but I have to disagree here. India has jumped one step backward and earned themselves a new name its the 'no track bully'. A flat track bully is one who is winning something on flat tracks, they haven't won anything. Barely winning an ODI series against a C string English team is no achievement and the English really dont care. I heard Swann asked for a break which effectively means he had better things to do. India lost everything at home against anyone that wanted to do well. Lost tests against England and then the ODI's against Pakistan. So, anyone, please tell me how are India a 'flat track bully'?

Posted by Sathish.Velu on (January 27, 2013, 17:42 GMT)

Poor england fans finally got something to talk about now, anyway india list their no 1 test status, when they beat india, and now we revenged it by beating them and we got odi no.1, and @28041991, you rightly said it bro, all teams are againat india,, what to say thats pure jealous, after all we are the world champions and no.1 odi team, let them bark, they cant bite, lol, rofl

Posted by groundreality on (January 27, 2013, 17:40 GMT)

@ImpartialExpert - What about BD team comments against weaker teams like Zim then? I remember someone in BD team (I think the captain) saying Zim pacers were mediocre. Seriously? How many world cups has BD won for him to make a statement like that? You can't make public statements like that and then not expect similar things in return.

Posted by groundreality on (January 27, 2013, 17:33 GMT)

@BDForever - The only team in all sports, in the whole world, which deserves the tag "minnow" is BD cricket team. Even after so many years they are still being encouraged for the rare match or series win, just like parents encourage a continuously failing student to at least clear the exam. India has rightly avoided and should continue to avoid playing a mouse like BD. Even tossing a coin with BD reduces our value by many times.

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 27, 2013, 17:32 GMT)

@Front-Foot-Lunge: Ah so you are now down to would have-could have? Just shows you are now out of any real arguments and are now resorting to hypothetical situations. Even then, Dhoni today got an iffy one that would have been overturned by DRS and who knows what Dhoni would have done then? That means 4-1 would have been on. Secondly, Ind lost the 1st match merely by 9 runs, had Ishant bowled a bit better then Ind would have won that too to make it 5-0. And tell me, who ordered ECB to send their so called youngsters? Why did you not send your best XI? It is not Ind's fault for sure. Btw, who are these youngsters? Tredwell is 30, Patel is 28. Woakes/Finn are older & more exp than Bhuvnesh/Shami. JD & CK were huge failures. Barring Root, no youngster emerged.

What did your senior players achieve in the past? 0-5, 0-5 & 1-5? Is that the basis on which you build your arguments?

As for DRS, Ind got equally wrong ones & Eng were 150 a.o. twice - Would DRS have helped there? Really?

Posted by avi_1213 on (January 27, 2013, 17:32 GMT)

@BDFOREVER haha lol.. u arent even qualified to comment on matches involving two big teams ... as far as ppl suggesting that the series could have been 3-2 in favour of england.. c'mon man.. be honest.. india were just 10 runs short in the first game and completely dominated the series untill the last match.. re anderson swann n all.. i guess they were there in previous tours .. :P ... be honest and accept that eng. dominated the test series while india dominated the odi series.... would be better if people give their views based on logic and cricketing knowledge rather than bias and hatred ... btw.. tredwell looks a very good odi prospect....

Posted by NCP1 on (January 27, 2013, 17:27 GMT)

Good win for England, they proved that in this type of conditions they will always beat India. India showed they can not play in overseas conditions. The Indian batsman will have to look at Sachin, Saurav, Dravid and take some serious lessons if they are going to play good cricket out of subcontinent. Dhoni has already suffered heavy defeats outside India and he must be wondering what team he needs to build, these batsman are not good enough.

Posted by A_Vacant_Slip on (January 27, 2013, 17:23 GMT)

@Harmony111 on (January 27 2013, 14:10 PM GMT) - you couldn't be more wrong when you say "At the moment, Eng seem too happy to play the Ashes and it seems to be the prize for them followed by other tests". This is NOT the case. Did you not notice the delight in England heart when they best India in India in Test series for first time in many years!? Probably not. It would suit you not to. I think you need to look at the problems in team India before go making incorrect statement about England. No doubt though you will resort to calling me names again. Personally I am pleased that we don't have to play India again for a while now. I get sick of being called names.

Posted by Solid_Snake on (January 27, 2013, 17:22 GMT)

@Harmony111->& it's 8-0 not 9-0 which includes 3 T'20 matches.. Only 5 ODI WC matches which are worth mentioning.& India never won against Pakistan in Champions Trophy..Ohh no wait..It might not be worth mentioning according to Indian fans :)

Posted by ImpartialExpert on (January 27, 2013, 17:21 GMT)

@CoreDump I think the reason why BD fans hate India is Sehwag. His comments were really disrespectful and it turned them against India. I remember Bangladeshis being huge fans of Indian crickets like Dravid, Sachin and Ganguly a while back. Sehwag was so disrespectful that even during the recent test series between England and India he said that the England batting lineup is not like BD batting line up and it would be difficult to knock them off. Really how disrespectful of a team can one be? BD does not even have anything to do with the series. It is really sad to see such arrogance among some Indian cricketers. Sachin Dravid achieved so much. But they always respected the opposition. I am totally against Sehwag's attitude.

Posted by groundreality on (January 27, 2013, 17:20 GMT)

2011 Eng tests:

Ind fans: We missed Zak, Sehwag (first 2 tests) and other players.. Rest of the world: Stop giving excuses! No ifs and buts in cricket! Mediocre team! Blah blah ...

2013 Ind ODIs:

Rest of the world: Eng didn't have Swann, Anderson, Broad. Otherwise.. Blah! Blah!

Ha ha, what should we say now? Only India is not allowed excuses? And whats even more funny is Broad is there in the squad for this series, but is just too mediocre (in India) to be picked up.

Posted by Solid_Snake on (January 27, 2013, 17:14 GMT)

@Harmony111->Lol jumping on 9-0 thing... Ever heard of 71-49?Difference seems small to you? 11 bilateral series wins seems small to you.. PS->I wonder why are you always busy discussing Pak Pacers & never want to discuss Indian Pacers..Hmm that's logical because there is nothing to discuss about Indian Pacers..

Posted by ImpartialExpert on (January 27, 2013, 17:12 GMT)

India's bowling choices: I think B. Kumar should only be considered for opening and middle over spells. S. Ahmed still needs to work on his technique. Even if the seem position is good the ball will not swing unless you put some force behind it. S. Ahmed seems to be cutting the ball somewhat instead of getting his wrist fully behind the ball. If he can make that adjustment I think he will increase his pace and will also swing more. I also think with his bowling action that he can be groomed into a death bowler. Ishant, I am not sure if he can become a death bowler. I think he should be targeting powper play overs. Jadeja can bowl three overs at the death. We can perhaps get 3 out of S. Ahmed as well. I think Ishant should bowl overs 41-45 if we cannot find anybody else. Umesh yadav can develop into a decent death bowler hopefully. Irfan can do the job too but he gets ratlled sometimes. I think we are badly missing a world class spinner who can get a few wickets in the middle overs.

Posted by groundreality on (January 27, 2013, 17:11 GMT)

2011 Eng series: Ind fans: We are missing Zak, Sehwag (first two tests), ... Other fans: Stop giving excuses! Take the loss on the chin! Mediocre team! Blah! Blah!

2013 Ind series: Other fans: Eng is missing Swann, Anderson, Broad. Otherwise...

Ha ha. The funny thing is Broad is even in the squad but just was not selected for any match.

Posted by GeoffreysMother on (January 27, 2013, 17:11 GMT)

Randy oz, Thought you'd be quiet for a while given the 3-0 drubbing the Sheila's got at netball and yet another loss to Sri Lanka. Soon be your turn in India. Who will save you now Hussey has retired? Looks like India have found a pace attack that can swing the ball past your batting attack - and at 5mph faster than Kulasakera. I hear Clarke is planning to bat at 8 to ensure there is no shine left on the ball when he gets in.

Posted by Nampally on (January 27, 2013, 17:09 GMT)

@Impartialexpert: I strongly agree that India not only wasted a golden opportunity of finding missing links but created some. Kohli & Yuvraj @ #3 & 4 is bit of an overkill of their abilities. Junaid Khan exposed how poor Kohli is in facing good seamers. Pujara is the only guy in top Indian batsmen equiped to play both seamers & spin equally well.He should be top choice for #3 spot. Raina showed he is good at getting behind the ball. He should be #4. Kohli 5. Yuvi #6.As for the openers, Rohit is anything but an opener. Dhoni's gamble worked once, I would call it fluke. Rohit needs lot of work on his footwork & defence before he plays any international cricket ODI or Test. Dhawan, J.Singh, Mukund, Vijay & Chand are all good candidates for openers. They should be tried not MSD's favourites like Rohit. As for Ashwin, he is bowling poorly. I think there are a couple of good off spinners in J.SaXena & V.Joshi.In addition S.Nadeem is a top class LH spinner. Pandey is another seamer on trial!.

Posted by Solid_Snake on (January 27, 2013, 17:09 GMT)

Wow..Team India celebrating already..Winning against a tired team was no big deal.There was no Broad,Anderson etc in the team.Some young players included.Still India barely managed to win 3-2..It could have been 3-3 or 2-3..After getting Thrashed by Pakistan,Suddenly Indian Lions have started roaring again..Keep Celebrating..Aussies are on their way. Don't forget to prepare dead flat tracks for them to draw the series.Because winning is impossible against them..

Posted by BDforever on (January 27, 2013, 17:05 GMT)

Dear English fan's and everyone, I don't think we have enough reasons to argue here. Simply Indian team is a bunch of flat track bullies surrounded by school- level bowlers. Irrespective of rankings or whatever they deserve the tag "minnows".

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 27, 2013, 16:59 GMT)

@haq33: In your hurry to somehow come up with a reply you didn't even see that I was talking about Junaid & Irfan's RPO in their current match and not their career avgs. How smart of you to not to figure that out lol.

And Swann/ Anderson did play in the prev tours - what did they achieve? Eng in fact lost 0-5, 0-5 & 1-5 in '11, '08 & '06. Both Swann & Jimmy played in the WC too in India. Don't you know Eng lost to even BD & Ireland then? This point has been repeated a no of times and you still keep using it as if JA & Swann would have done something extraordinary. Clearly, you have no other proper argument to make that's why you shamelessly repeat this busted argument.

And what did Pak win? A meaningless hurried tiny ODI series? If it pleases you then good for you but India will just keep whipping your boys in the matches that matter. Don't forget we are 9-0 against you in World Championship matches. 9-0 is one heck of a record as it shows who the minnow is in meaningful matches.

Posted by groundreality on (January 27, 2013, 16:59 GMT)

I don't get it. What did BD and SL teams achieve, their fans are here in full flow? Ok, at least Pak beat us at home, whitewashed England and have a strong bowling attack. Same for Eng. So they and Eng have some credentials to post negative comments. But come on, lankans? They too got whitewashed in Aus, lost a home WC (T20), lost a home ODI series against Ind, lost a home test series against a budding Aus team in 2011 etc etc. Head to head SL or BD don't even stand a chance against Ind, home or away (upsets don't count). And less said about "ever-minnow" BD the better. Home whitewash against West Indies, fresh in 2012, 'nuff said! I am guessing they're too ashamed to post about their own teams LOL! It is the only logical explanation.

Posted by ImpartialExpert on (January 27, 2013, 16:58 GMT)

Continuing on about England bowling, 5 fielders in the circle in the death overs is a nightmare for the bowlers. I think with the kind of bowling resource they have England should look to attack in the first 35 overs and get at least 5 wickets. If enough pressure is applied I think it is doable on a more consistent basis and given England's bowling strength once they get their bowling strength and the two balls rule they should consider this a real strategy. In that case my bowling line up would be Finn, Anderson, Woakes/Bresnen, Meaker/Tredwell, Swann

Posted by groundreality on (January 27, 2013, 16:56 GMT)

I don't get it. What did BD and SL teams achieve, their fans are here in full flow? Ok, at least Pak beat us at home, whitewashed England and have a strong bowling attack. Same for Eng. So they and Eng have some credentials to post negative comments. But come on, lankans? They too got whitewashed in Aus, lost a home WC (T20), lost a home ODI series against Ind, lost a home test series against a budding Aus team in 2011 etc etc. Head to head SL or BD don't even stand a chance against Ind, home or away (upsets don't count). And less said about "ever-minnow" BD the better. Home whitewash against West Indies, fresh in 2012, 'nuff said! I am guessing they're too ashamed to post about their own teams LOL! It is the only logical explanation.

Posted by realfan on (January 27, 2013, 16:54 GMT)

@BDforever in you dreams.....lets forget all this series and lets celebrate for the 3 test matches that won by bangladesh out of 60+ test matches thats played in a decade.....and lets celebrate the odi series's that MINNOW bangladesh have won....its the rearest precious moments guys enjoy it, bangladesh winning a test match and odi series.....

Posted by EnglishCricket on (January 27, 2013, 16:52 GMT)

Just want to remind Indian fans that our England team didn't take this series seriously which is why we tried our A team instead and besides already won the more important test series. We are also preparing for New Zealand but we still beat you today lool!!! enjoy your series win against an A team :P

Posted by ImpartialExpert on (January 27, 2013, 16:51 GMT)

England really made a mistake of relying on part time bowlers. When they were winning most of their matcheslast year they had five really good bowlers and there was no respite for the opposition. But for some strange reason they went with part time spinner option this time. I think lack of a strong middle and lower middle order could be the reason for this. With S. Broad in the side they could have some confidence in the lower middle order. Keeping the Champions Trophy and the next world cup in mind I think they should go with 4 fast bowers and Swann. Now the big issue for them is death bowling. Dernbach does not seem to be a good death bowler. I am saying this not because he does not have yorkers or slow balls. He has all of those. But he seems to get rattled too quickly. A dropped catch or a misfield or an edge to the boundary is all that is needed to push him over the edge. Do be a good death bowler you need to focus on the next delivery and forget about the past deliveries.

Posted by RandyOZ on (January 27, 2013, 16:49 GMT)

Well look at this for a surprise, Bell performing when it doesn't matter! The inevitable slide continues!

Posted by mark2011 on (January 27, 2013, 16:44 GMT)

@haq33; Well said mate... India is hypd team more than who really they are.. and during last decade no real talent has come. Just flat dusty pitches allowed them to win some matches here n there.... India was just W/champ only for the Final match in 2011.. other than that they never played nor appeared to be world champs at all.. surprisingly not even heard that Indian commentators atleast frequently referring them as W/ that the real status of this hype indian team.. Had Swan n Anderson played, it wud hav been 5-0 whitewash for poor India

Posted by ImpartialExpert on (January 27, 2013, 16:36 GMT)

Wasted opportunity for India. They could have at least tried to figure out a solution for the top order problems through this match. But the middle order and lower order looks to be promising. Kohli is batting too high for his technique and temperament. With the kind of batting strength we have in the middle and lower order we need to figure out what our opening combination is going to be be. But in my view I think this is how positions from No. 3 to 6 should be slotted. 3. Pujara, 4.Kohli, 5.Yuvraj, 6.Dhoni/Raina 7.Dhoni/Raina. Jadeja batting at No. 8 is a little weird but keeping others in mind we might have to live with it. So Jadeja at No. 8. Once Irfan comes back it with B.kumar also in the side it looks like a a problem of plenty in the lower order. So I would ask Irfan to go pinch hitting at the top of the order. Aswin should be dropped if we can find a good specialist spinner. Rahane, Rohit (not sure), Gambhir, Dhawan or someone technically sound could be tried for opening.

Posted by BDforever on (January 27, 2013, 16:33 GMT)

Okay guys let's forget that home test trashing for the moment. No matter whether they won 3 ODIs against England's 3rd level bowling attack or lost 2 ODIs against the same attack or whatever. Please let them light all their fireworks and celebrate. Otherwise they won't get a chance to use those fireworks before its expiration date since South African tour is yet to come...Ohh yeah best is yet to come..Mighty 11-0 away test thrashing is on the way.

Posted by   on (January 27, 2013, 16:32 GMT)

Its pathetic Team selection,specially with BCCI's Directive to Dhoni that he should make selections with a view to 2015 World Cup ODI, that they stuck to the same XI when they could have easily tried out Pujara and a different combination of spinners and fast bowlers and little juxtaposition in batting order and the fact that it was being played in a lively conditions . Only positive thing is that Gautam Gambhir again failed to a School kid shot and will definitely lose out on his future selection and that will help some players sitting in the wings, hope so knowing that Dhoni likes to give long to rope to some players,including the much hyped Ashwin ! Other positive is Bhuvaneshwar Kumar who showed that he is no push over as batsman, with little training he could be a good all rounder India has been looking for.

Posted by realfan on (January 27, 2013, 16:23 GMT)

when india play england..... england TEAM need support from southafrica players , ireland players to match 1 so called medicore indian team..... and england FANS need support from srilanka, pakistan, bangladesh to beat indian FANS.... totally its 6 against 1 and guess what india won...... may be pomis need to import players and fans from all over world... may be non cricket playing nations also to support them against india when they play ODI..... this condition in our part of world is called pathetic.....

Posted by mark2011 on (January 27, 2013, 16:13 GMT)

yes we saw how poor indian top order against good seam bowlling...this venue is going to be Indias worse records if they play in future against a team with good fast bowlers.simply India flat track bullies. they won last three games bcos of that.. we can see how Ind gonna play Champs trophy in Eng this year. they will be first round out of the tournament.. probably by the hands of Sri lanka like happnd in many such seties like Asia cup, Commonwealth bank series etc...

Posted by realfan on (January 27, 2013, 16:09 GMT)

@KEVINSL just as you said mate....its new.... even against new your OLD settled world class batsmen struggled ... imagine what would have happened with our experienced one's......

Posted by Agila on (January 27, 2013, 16:08 GMT)

And the talented Rohit Sharma thought that last innings of 83, would allow him to relax for another 25-30 ODI, and MS Dhoni things that he has a god-gifted talent!

Posted by tententen on (January 27, 2013, 16:08 GMT)

yorkshiregenius don't feel so proud coz if what eng A achieved was great then it was achieved only against an almost india A. if DRS is not there It's not there for anyone if cook had batted for longer eng would have ended up at 330 thanks to his awesome career strik rate of 78. and eveyone knew that as rohit was looking good he too could well have completed his century. when indians were on song in 2nd and 3rd odi's it was eng who looked like minnows

Posted by Dasarathy on (January 27, 2013, 15:52 GMT)

Having won the series Rahane and Pujara should have given the chance in the place of Gambhir and Yuvaraj. If they would have got a chance to face english bowlers and if they performed well this will be a good platform to perform against the Aussies. The selectors would have a chance to consider them depending upon their performance today. Bad Luck.

Posted by BDforever on (January 27, 2013, 15:51 GMT)

I'm glad that England played their 3rd level bowling attack since it was a perfect match against a same level opposition. England could have easily won the ODI series 5-0 if DRS was used. The biggest worry is after a series of 10 matches India's only achievement is odd ODI. I won't be surprising why some fans call them as minnows.

Posted by suchilotus on (January 27, 2013, 15:48 GMT)

Ravichandran Ashwin is the biggest failure of this series and as it is, he is just a ton load of waste garbage material to the indian team, presently. Where is Ojha, why not give him a chance to prove his mettle.

Ashwin is just there in the team because of his bosses of Chennai Superkings and Dhoni too. Otherwise, as of today Ashwin is good enough only to play street cricket and nothing more that that. Useless bowling, more ridiculously horrible fielding and no one has asked him to bat at all, when his primary job is to take wickets.

Throw Ashwin out and India would be an unbeateable team for sure.

Posted by groundreality on (January 27, 2013, 15:43 GMT)

Surajdon9,KevinSL - as if the lankan board doesn't allow a single game to be played there without DRS. You should consider donating money to your perennial beggar board to setup DRS there first, BEFORE whining about the lack of DRS in India.

Posted by Energetic. on (January 27, 2013, 15:39 GMT)

I don't understand why players like Gambhir and Nohit are doing in the team and could use a break at least. Drop them then you can groom the likes of Tiwary, Pujara, Chand etc.

Posted by m1991vicky on (January 27, 2013, 15:37 GMT)

@Front-Foot-Lunge: U mean that if DRS had been used, England would have scored 357 instead of getting all out for 157..... Come on mate...... Don't be sore losers like the Aussies..... I accept that India did poorly in tests and so did England in ODIs... Accept the fact.....

Posted by   on (January 27, 2013, 15:34 GMT)

3-2 looks better than 4-1. Overall, England did rather well this tour. We won the Test series, and that was what we wanted. We competed in the T20s, and at times though we were woefully bad, we still managed to somewhat compete in the ODI's. It's harder in India than it is in home conditions, so all in all it was a satisfactory, if not actually a pretty damn good, Indian tour for England.

Posted by oze13 on (January 27, 2013, 15:33 GMT)

Under no pressure there isn't a finer batsmen in the world than Bell. Pity he doesn't do it when it matters!

Posted by SherjilIslam on (January 27, 2013, 15:28 GMT)

I see most of the English fans celebrating as if they had won the series 3-2. I would like to remind them that it's India, who had grabbed the series 3-2. So to all the Englishmen here, Just chill mate you have just lost another ODI series in India, be prepared next time. hahaha

Posted by KEVINSL on (January 27, 2013, 15:27 GMT)

@Bruisers:-don't compare previous Eng team and current Eng team. you fans can't accept the truth. your batsmen struggle in front of quality seam bowling and pace. today again proved it first half an hour. simply second ODI dhoni should have been out for 6. but thanx for DRS he was not out. and Alastair Cook's Dismissal.

Posted by Surajdon9 on (January 27, 2013, 15:10 GMT)

If their is DRS then england will won 5-0 if not surely 4-1 anyway i'm happy n satisfy with young egland performances...

Posted by binu.emiliya on (January 27, 2013, 15:10 GMT)

@ Sir Ivor, Vishal Joshy is Not even in the sourshtra eleven that playing against all importent ranji final, he is the third choice spinner even for Sourashtra!

Posted by Front-Foot-Lunge on (January 27, 2013, 15:02 GMT)


You're forgetting that India would have lost this series against England's youngsters if DRS had been in place. It's not much of an achievement celebrating India 'A' beating England's youngsters 3-2. India received one heck of a thrashing in the test series, remember that?

Posted by yorkshiregenius on (January 27, 2013, 14:59 GMT)

Congrats Boys..!!! England's first choice bowlers (Anderson, Swann,Broad,Panesar) might be still on vacation. No matter their 2nd choice bowlers are good enough to handle the opposition. So no big issue here? But DRS might be still an issue. I can see what you are typing now. Pls wait..true in the previous match Gambhir and Sharma also got rough decisions. As you may know both of them aren't in their best form and have been struggling for some time now. Cook is one of the most in form batsmen right now. So I don't know how you justify the decision against Cook by saying about Gambhir & Sharma. It might have been an advantage for England if these two struggling batsmen weren't given out wrongly.BTW first they lost the test series in their backyard,failed to win T20 series played at home and only managed to win odd ODI against 2nd choice England bowling attack (DRS might have still reversed the series result though).I wouldn't call anyone as minnows but I'm sorry if I embarrassed someone

Posted by cricanm on (January 27, 2013, 14:58 GMT)

I think india should have tried something different today. Rahane should have opened with Rohit. Pujara, Mishra, Dinda should have replaced UV, Ashwin, Ishant. I think pujara wil b much better than UV For no. 4.

Posted by reghuh on (January 27, 2013, 14:55 GMT)

Considering it being last ODI, chances could have been given to Pujara/maybe Rahane once again or even tiwary........also ashwin is out of form..... But i dont know why people are criticizing dhoni lately.......for many years to come, there is no other captain choice for india......better than dhoni......

Posted by KEVINSL on (January 27, 2013, 14:49 GMT)

@Arrow011:- why are you ppl jumping ? this is not real England bowling attack.England loose to India with their future team.i mean exactly 3-2 is a win for england .they needed to test their bench strength. today again India batting failed. and today what happen to your "New World class Strike bowlers"? Starc,Pattinson,Cummins will be ended most of these overrated batsmen's career soon.

Posted by Sir.Ivor on (January 27, 2013, 14:46 GMT)

Congratulations to England for a fine win. It is just as well that India lost this one because the last 2 wins had glossed over the fact that Dhoni needs to go. It is of some significance that Dhoni did not score very much because his supporters starting fro Srinivasan would have deferred the need to select a new Captain. I hope we have a new captain for the Australians. The man who is suited to be that in the Test format is Gambhir at least for the moment. I say this with the full knowledge of his run in the ODIs.I feel that in Tests Gambhir will get back his batting form. Kohli could be the vice captain and could be grromed for captaincy. One other thing. I hope they get Vishal Joshi in place of Ashwin.Australians have always been suspect against good flighted spin.

Posted by funkyabhi on (January 27, 2013, 14:45 GMT)

India might have won the series but performance os Indian batting was really poor. Except Raina....all six top order batsmen Gambhir, Sharma, Kohli, Yuvraj, Dhoni and Jadeja scored only one half century in five matches. No Century came from Indian side despite favorable batting conditions and inexperienced bowling attack of the opposition. I seriously doubt that it can be counted as good performance.

Posted by Bruisers on (January 27, 2013, 14:43 GMT)

@all English fans - Stop ruing the absence of Broad, Anderson and co. Broad has been so pathetic over the past 12 months that I'll be surprised if he plays for England again. Anderson's ODI bowling average in India is a whopping 52! Swann's replacement Tredwell did more than what anyone could have asked for. In fact, Swann picked up only 2 wickets in the 2011 India ODI tour. So no one was missed!! This was England's full-strength team, not 'A' team.

Posted by Jay.Raj on (January 27, 2013, 14:42 GMT)

tredwell is one of the most skillfulled and underrated text book off spinner. If he can do well in india, then he must be really good

Posted by mazii on (January 27, 2013, 14:40 GMT)

Aakash Chopra ✔

While celebrating this series win, we must remember England's ODI record in India and the fact that they rested 4 of their lead players!!!

This is the tweet of Akash Chopra and he sums it all in these two lines. India won because England rested four of their lead players. Had they been played, the result would have been different like the test series. There are not so many people in India who think like Akash Chopra. Indian fans just over react on every thing that comes their way. Not all my Indian brothers. I think Ganguly is the most rational cricketer India have right now and he should be made India's coach. I like the way he speaks.

Posted by arvin on (January 27, 2013, 14:37 GMT)

Suresh Raina's 83 was his 11th half-century against England and second in consecutive matches... make a correction... IT WAS FOURTH IN CONSECTIVE MATCHES... and MOM should have gone to rohit sharma to boost his morale... after all he is god's gift to cricket according to universe greatest captain dhoni...

Posted by landl47 on (January 27, 2013, 14:20 GMT)

A good win for England, but too little, too late. Losing the series 3-2 instead of 4-1 is still losing the series. However, defeats can help if they are learning experiences, so what should England have learned?

1. That Dernbach is not an international cricketer. Selecting him for the 4th ODI, a game which England could have won, might have cost England the series. His record is poor at every level and in every format and he shouldn't be anywhere near an England side. 2. That Patel isn't a strong enough bat or bowler, despite his heroics in the first game. 3. That England should have two legitimate spinners in every game in the subcontinent. 4. Kieswetter- see 1. 5. That when a player is doing something wrong, like Finn hitting the stumps with his knee, he has to be MADE to stop it.

On the positive side, Root and Tredwell played well throughout and Finn got steadily better. Cook, Pietersen and Bell had a couple of good innings each.

Not a terrible series, but India were too good.

Posted by   on (January 27, 2013, 14:20 GMT)

Very well said pull_shot. What you said is no brainer and I wonder why the selection is so rigid and so pathatic. Pujara should have been included in the last odi in place of Gambhir, Yuvi or Kohli. Same goes for replacing Ashwin with Mishra or any better spinner. Can't believe Dhoni can not think common sense or is it something else?

Posted by   on (January 27, 2013, 14:19 GMT)

With the series already decided, why didn't Dhoni make changes in the team? The best player against England in tests - Pujara, is warming the benches. Amla, Bell were all thought of only as test players, look how well they are doing in ODIs. Now what will happen to Pujara is, to try to prove that he is good in the shorter formats, he is going to try and score quickly in tests which will probably lead to more failures. Pujara should have been tried in the opening slot instead of Rohit or Rahane. He will be more successful. Dhoni only wants his favorite players in the team. I don't think he cares about the Indian team.

Posted by Nampally on (January 27, 2013, 14:19 GMT)

I was shocked to see Pujara out of XI for the fifth ODI. That is adding insult to injury by benching him+ off Ranji Final. Pujara, the best batsman in India today,had averaged 87 against a better England bowling in the 4 Test series. He enabled India to win the solo test in a 3-1 thrashing.If Pujara was not fit for ODI, why was he selected in the squad & missed playing all the Ranji matches for Saurashtra including the Final? The Selectors have some serious soul searching, if they have any consience! They should start by sacking Dhoni as Captain, who is notorious for splitting the team. In Australia there were 2 camps under Dhoni & Sehwag. Now he feels the presence of Pujara as a serious threat to his future captaincy. Hence keep him Out - Shameful, MSD! Pujara will walk into any team in the World today in Tests or in ODI's but not Dhoni's politics-ridden Indian XI. That is a sad reflection on Dhoni's Team India -29 for 5 vs. Pak was repeated today on lesser scale as 29 for 3!.

Posted by BravoBravo on (January 27, 2013, 14:14 GMT)

@28041991: "never mind you are not going to understand what transition stage is .... pomis never had player like DRAVID, SACHIN, SEHWAG, LAXMAN, HARBAJAN, ZAHEER to experince transition stage because pomi had never had long term player..... " AND ALL THESE players were there during perpetual and SUPER WHITE WASHES in all format of the games by ENG and AUS. @cricifan_lover: Question for you_ AND how many times IND has been whitewashed since 1985?

Posted by Paddlesweep4six on (January 27, 2013, 14:12 GMT)

Why do Indian fans have to whine and find excuses when they lose? Just accept it and move on. England played well they were the better team some substandard umpiring let them down the whole series. But yea nothing better then the test series win where overconfident India was beaten black and blue. Cricinfo publish!

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 27, 2013, 14:10 GMT)

With due respect to the English team, full strength or not, it really tells you a lot when Eng fans welcome a 3-2 loss saying it is a lot better than 1-4 or 0-5 losses. I read someone here saying that Ind are a poor team cos they can't even beat Eng 4-1. Well, what does it tell you about Eng ODI team?

And far too much has been made of the so called absentees from the Eng ODI team. Anderson, Swann etc have all played in the ODI series of the past and Eng have lost then too - 0-5, 0-5 & 1-6 I guess.

It is good that Eng have a lot of passion for tests. Sadly, this passion will do little in globalizing Cricket. At the moment, Eng seem too happy to play the Ashes and it seems to be the prize for them followed by other tests.

Tests will never make cricket a popular game, if that was possible then it would have been done by now. T20s will make the game more popular with ODI being the big one for new nations. Eng care for Ashes only - that is limited vision IMO and is hurting the game.

Posted by Cricketluv on (January 27, 2013, 14:05 GMT)

any team playing against India should have the mental power to defeat the wish of 100 million people. It is their wish that matters , not the prowess of players.

Posted by LegB4wkt on (January 27, 2013, 14:02 GMT)

@Posted by cricifan_lover ; Thats what you said before the Test series, look how it turned out to be... I suggest less talking (means blowing your own trumpet ) and more Cricket will be better for your team... And tell me , Are you going to take "revenge" this time when Aussies arrived ??? (like you did to poms)

Posted by arun_padmanabhan on (January 27, 2013, 14:02 GMT)

@ Guys from all the countries : The fighting has started to look really silly! Its just cricket. I am sure we all have a life to lead outside cricket!! So, cool down. Lots of holes to plug for the Indians : Lack of quality openers and spinners are the main issues + the form of Kohli and yuvi. The positives are the emergence of fresh fast bowlers and the rejuvenated Ishant-he is looking really good out there. Going by the current form, we do NOT deserve the No.1 ranking. Sri Lanka posed a lot of challenges down under and Pakistan is the best bowling team right now.

Posted by pull_shot on (January 27, 2013, 14:00 GMT)

In today's match rohit sharma has misfield and let a boundary to go through him.Ravi shastri commenting that " that was well timed it came at such a speed even rohit sharma cant stop it" no wonder in 4th odi he told rohit in team as master stoke.

Posted by   on (January 27, 2013, 13:59 GMT)

@Ry18 . Fully agree with you on replacing GG, Ashwin & Yuvi, with Pujara & others. Earlier the better! The maturity of Kohli & Rohit still need to be monitored (and help provided, if needed). Despite whatever shortcomings they may have, the hard work put in by Raina & Jadeja should be appreciated. So is the case with the hard work part of Dhoni; not his choice for the playing XIs !

The 3-2 scoreline does NOT mask all our inadequacies. Indian cricket fans are not fools, to be carried away by this temporary mask the team picked up in the 5 match series, to hide ALL their shortcomings, which continue unabated... due to ... sheer arrogance!. What else?

Posted by Harmony111 on (January 27, 2013, 13:58 GMT)

For Eng TB finally got some wickets & Bell finally proved me right by showing his class. Good win for them.

As for Ind's loss today, today's match just did not have much intensity. I hardly watched it save 3-4 overs here & there. And this loss is very unlike Pak's loss in Delhi. Ind were 3-1 up already and have played an awful amount of cricket of late. Pak were still fresh in Delhi and yet couldn't even chase 167 while we batted 1st on a morning pitch.

Ishant has improved all of a sudden & I hope he doesn't revert back. He + Umesh shud be a good pair hopefully.

And a big big LOL to Pak fans & their usual acidic comments cos we find them funny. Just look at how their own GREAT bowlers are doing vs a Grade C SA XI. Their so called Next Wasims Junaid & Irfan are going at 4 RPO and can take wickets of only the tailenders there.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (January 27, 2013, 13:57 GMT)

@skilebow on (January 27 2013, 13:37 PM GMT), I know exactly what "in transition" means. It means "our old players have retired and our new players aren't good enough yet". I don't deny that it's tough for any team when they lose experienced talent but let's be realistic about this. @28041991 said that India were missing Tendulkar, which would imply that they would have been a stronger team with him. It's convenient to say that now that he's retired when so many Indian fans have been calling for him to do exactly that for what seems like ages now. Plenty were also calling for Zaheer and Sehwag to be dropped and Harbajan has hardly played for some time. It's hard to take claims that India would be a stronger side with those players in the team seriously when everyone wanted them dropped in the first place. It's all just gums flapping anyway though because the teams that played are the teams that played. India won because they played better but England will be happy enough with 2-3.

Posted by realfan on (January 27, 2013, 13:56 GMT)

when india play england..... england TEAM need support from southafrica players , ireland players to match 1 so called medicore indian team..... and england FANS need support from srilanka, pakistan, bangladesh to beat indian FANS....

totally its 6 against 1 and guess what india won......

may be pomis need to import players and fans from all over world... may be non cricket playing nations also to support them against india when they play ODI.....

this condition in our part of world is called pathetic.....

Posted by hhillbumper on (January 27, 2013, 13:53 GMT)

ironic is it not.No Dernbach No Loss. In both regards.Bye Jade have fun playing for surrey

Posted by Arrow011 on (January 27, 2013, 13:52 GMT)

LAST 22 ODIs VS INDIA in INDIA - INDIA WON 19 & ENGLAND 3 tells the story. England is a minnow team in India. Last 2 series 5-0 & another 5-0 & now 3-2 in a losing cause. DHONI taught English game to Englishmen by walloping them 3-2 without Sachin & Sehwag. Hope New Zealand also steam rolls the English team as they do not deserve to be equal to India with 119 points.

Posted by pull_shot on (January 27, 2013, 13:51 GMT)

Indian team doesn't change win or loss or dead rubber.let me tell u examples where dhoni didnt give chances to young stars 1)pujara in this series where uv,gambir r continously failing 2)Rahane when sachin,sehwag failing in aus series 3)varun aron when rp singh,munaf r strugling for control in eng 4)manoj tiwary in asia cup, aus series,sl series when rohit continuously failed.Is there no other spinner except aswin in india really this series his bowling is pathetic i think he needs guidance and should not play 20-20 format.See how well is raina playing after one domestic season really it helps.please send gambir,yuvraj to domestic circuit.Yuvraj out of these 2 series (eng & pak) never played more than 15 balls in swinging conditions and they wont get those conditions again in india as indian they r not playing odis until this summer in which ball hardly swings and please give more chances to rahane because of limited chances given to him he tried to be what he is not.

Posted by realfan on (January 27, 2013, 13:51 GMT)

why dint we try pujara, mishra in squad.... and why dint we give rest to yuvraj, gambir, why dont we drop ashwin?, why dont we try another player as captain? why why why???? these things remain as questions only.....ayleast try this of dead rubbers in forth coming matches.....

Posted by Raveey_ on (January 27, 2013, 13:50 GMT)

my previous post was only for Saad..Poor umpiring affected both teams , but that does not mean that one should take the credit away from the team which played better cricket . Frankly , we all Indians want the DRS to be used in the game as much as any1 in the world. Stop stop blaming us man , blame the BCCI :P .. ask the fans ..not a single fan will go against DRS in India ..

Posted by cricifan_lover on (January 27, 2013, 13:46 GMT)

england have never won odi series in India since 1985...and still they consider themselves strong team...what a joke...

Posted by balajit on (January 27, 2013, 13:45 GMT)

India played well enough to win the series. Should have used this match to play pujara & amit mishra. Bowling of ashwin is a major concern. Going forward should play irfan as another bowling all rounder & use jadeja to bowl spin in shorter formats.

Bowling of pacers & emergence of jadeja as promising all rounder is real gain for India.

Posted by scritty on (January 27, 2013, 13:44 GMT)

Fair enough England won the tests, drew the T20 lost the 50 over. I think most English fans would take that playing in India if they were realistic. Cooke, Bell, Finn, Tredwell and Root the best players on show for England with little or no support from Morgan, KP and certainly nothing from Keiswetter or Dernbach who were both complete disasters. Homegrown players VASTLY superior this time around. Now then, let's compare that to 16 months ago when India toured England. Oh 3-0 to England 3-0 to England, 1-0 to England And that was India with Zak, Tendulkar, VVS and Dravid etc (Man - were they lucky to have Dravid...I mean they STILL didn't actually WIN anything even with him, but without him most of the tests would have been over in 7 sessions THRASHED..UTTERLY THRASHED) Now let's see, which is the better site then? If you have to ask. If it takes more than 2 seconds, or if your answer is "India"'re deluded,.

Posted by TRAM on (January 27, 2013, 13:42 GMT)

Gambhir the "poker" again. RSharma is back in his form (of single digits). Yuvraj the man who will be permanent in the team because of his 6 6's generations back. ISharma the experienced bowler who cant swing, cant bowl yorkers/slower balls ... keep playing. Dont mind India losing. But dont we want to see good cricket and youthful and energetic players?

Posted by shrastogi on (January 27, 2013, 13:41 GMT)

.....Jadeja's performance is good. At least in sub continent conditions he can bowl 10 overs. But lets not go overboard with him. He has to show a more sensible head than what he showed today while batting. Ashwin though got wickets is clearly out of sorts. For England Joe Root is a gain though with the sort of policy English management has for shorter formats his development would be suspect.

Posted by Jason_Mcphee on (January 27, 2013, 13:40 GMT)

Our Batsmen didn't score much runs and here we go another 2-3 defeat for us, if we would have scored runs, we could have won the series, anyways well done boys, expect good results in NZ from you.

Posted by skilebow on (January 27, 2013, 13:37 GMT)

2-3 makes series look closer than it actually was but still there is encouragement from it. England played decent cricket in 2 games, fought in a losing cause in 1 and were awful in 2. Of the youngsters Root took his chance but unfortunately none of the rest really did. Tredwell confirmed himself as back up limited overs spinner. Still don't understand why Meaker didn't bowl a ball...what was the point of bringing him or is he just being rest ahead of NZ?!!! Seems a little early in his career for squad rotation! Looking forward to some of the regulars coming back in NZ

Posted by realfan on (January 27, 2013, 13:35 GMT)


and then who are Bhuvaneshwar kumar and shami ahemed ,,, were they experienced? they are rookies, and rahane? he was rookie.... and thats what called transition stage..... unlike england we are playing this series with new talent and to find new talent.....and never mind you are not going to understand what transition stage is .... pomis never had player like DRAVID, SACHIN, SEHWAG, LAXMAN, HARBAJAN, ZAHEER to experince transition stage because pomi had never had long term player.....

Posted by whofriggincares on (January 27, 2013, 13:34 GMT)

good point gsingh7, 1.249 billion people and you still cant put a decent test team together. LOL

Posted by alarky on (January 27, 2013, 13:31 GMT)

Good win India! But, why don't India cricket try as much as possible, to prepare pitches for their local and international matches like this one in Dharamsala and the one that was prepared in Mohali; instead of continuously having their young up and coming batsmen finding out only when they go on tours overseas, that they are only fooling themselves to think that they can bat, when they do so on those bowlers graveyards being dispersed all over India? I'm tired seeing Indian batsmen (old and young) embarrassing themselves when they leave the sub continent and encounter pitches in parts of the world where they need to show that they can really bat. Also to benefit would be young strong Indian men who would like to be fast bowlers. Such pitches would encourag them to bowl fast. You see the impressive performance of Ishant Sharma and his 'inexperienced' pack today? Now, India selectors should not put any "old wine" into this impressive new bottle of players - for any format whatsoever.

Posted by spiritwithin on (January 27, 2013, 13:30 GMT)

@ Front-Foot-Lunge..india got more wrong decision bcoz of umpiring errors and i still find english fan and the 'so called' english fans saying india won bcoz of not using drs,how pathetic the excuses can go..was it bcoz of drs that england got out for 157 and 158 in game 2 and 3??yes now others will say England fielded their 'Z' team as if Eng r the WI or Aus of previous era LOL

Posted by Raveey_ on (January 27, 2013, 13:26 GMT)

@Saadrocx: India won the world cup because of DRS and good umpiring... India lost the previous series for poor umpiring and lack of DRS.. as simple as that :).

Posted by shrastogi on (January 27, 2013, 13:25 GMT)

An average (5-5) result for India reflecting the sort of cricket they played all the season. It was a very good toss win at Mohali which resulted in this series victory. In the seaming conditions if your openers dont go with instructions to see off the first power play and a bit more then it reflects very poorly on the coach and team management. With one stroke Rohit Sharma is back to square one. This was a wicket and early conditions where Pujara could have done better. Anyway positives for India is the pace bowling performance which when added by Umesh Yadav & Irfan Pathan should augur well. Batting leaves you spliiting your hair. Yuvraj and Gambhir for all their experience didnt do much. Raina needs to convert form and luck into big scores. Kohli played such poor stroke though I thought Dhoni got a rough one. Still its not such a bad thing to beat a team which was till recently no 1 in ranking with the kind of form batsmen have shown.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (January 27, 2013, 13:21 GMT)

@28041991 on (January 27 2013, 12:54 PM GMT), I don't really go in for this one-upmanship about which team would have done better but for being missing players but your list is a bit silly. The only legitimate name on that list is Umesh Yadav. Tendulkar has retired and the rest simply weren't picked because they weren't playing well enough.

Posted by sachin_vvsfan on (January 27, 2013, 13:17 GMT)

@spiritwithin you have put it right mate. Except gsingh7 no indian fan is chest thumping here. And doubt @bobmartin is an england fan.

Posted by neelabhsamvatsar on (January 27, 2013, 13:16 GMT)

well played england. england dominated when india was in england and they dominated again in india

Posted by Raveey_ on (January 27, 2013, 13:16 GMT)

@solidsnake: mate, stop being so skeptical and be a bit practical .they wouldnt have won the series 3-2 in which 2 games were completely one sided(for India).no team can defend a score of 167 if they are not challenging enough .. Another point which i think most of the Indianfans will agree to is that GG , Ashwin and Yuvi needs to make way for Pujara and others. Just being too emotional with Yuvi's comeback won't take us anywhere , selectors need to be practical while selecting for the Champions Trophy and not get carried away with mere emotions. India has a lot of talent in cricket, the only thing is that the authorities don't seem to be making any use of it

Posted by hitwicket777 on (January 27, 2013, 13:16 GMT)

Overall a good match.India just couldn't get bell out.Good batting by Ian bell.He is a test match specialist and so he showed his character today (slow batting :P) :D

Posted by lokphy on (January 27, 2013, 13:15 GMT)

Very bad team selection from Dhoni. Could have given chance to other (better) players to have them match practice with series already won. He should have Rahane and Rohit open the innings, followed by Pujara. Leave out Gambhir and Yuvraj, I don't think they have the ability to play any good seam attack. India could have got 250+ runs and put pressure on England but their batting, specially top 4 is not good at present. They should focus on Rahane and Pujara to be in XI and also if possible get Viru back. In Australia, we don't have chance with Gambhir and Yuvraj in XI.

Posted by sachin_vvsfan on (January 27, 2013, 13:10 GMT)

@LegB4wkt "so called No.1 team barely managed to win the series 3:2" WRONG . So called the No 1 team (it was England) barely won 2 matches . I know you are not an English fan but if you think there is not much difference again you are wrong.

Look at the margin of defeats for both teams . Any sensible fan will agree that the difference is not minute. So what if it Eng B side we also fielded B grade bowlers. And those who are saying ENG are missing Jimmy, Swann you might want to see their record in ODIs in INDIA.

Posted by jackiethepen on (January 27, 2013, 13:09 GMT)

Bell was the only batsman to get a ton in the entire Series. Worth a mention? He ended up as England's leading run scorer as well.

Posted by Front-Foot-Lunge on (January 27, 2013, 13:06 GMT)

Lots of posts here recalling how DRS cost England dear in this series, which is the brutal truth for Indian fans, and only serves to give clear reason why India are the Only country in the world who don't want it - it's the only way they can win matches. Excellent century by Bell today, England's youngsters have showed they are on a par with India 'A', which is good for them. England would've won 3:2 with DRS used, India got lucky. Well played to both teams.

Posted by Herath-UK on (January 27, 2013, 13:04 GMT)

England will be happy with this win given the low key status they gave to this ODI series having 'rested' Andy Flowers, their master mind & key players.Had Anderson played the results would have been different & whatever it ,the indian team could not avenge the thrashing they received here last time & then boldly predicted similar whitewash on England in the reciprocal tour.In Australia Warner has gone on record telling Malinga is a genius & Kula is heaped with praise by the aussies and there is no such praise on indian team by England.India need to develop a good bowling unit from its rookies. Ranil Herath - Kent

Posted by Dhanno on (January 27, 2013, 13:02 GMT)

And the presentation jokes ceremony continues. Dhoni says "ODI series was as tight as test series!" Tight like what ?? The drubbing which we got on every surface of our choice which lead us to prepare a deader-than-dodo-pitch for nagpur which barely saved the blushes, now that goes into history books as "tight series" ? Is the 8-0 downing now "the infamous doctored pitch series against Aus/ Eng" ? Are these clowns for real ! How can single fan come and back these players ? time and again, its the manner of defeats and attitude post defeat which is ignored by everyone, including the media. there should be article exploring the exact nature of la-la-land these people live in. Oh but yea, we would have IPL's 1083891 matches over 3 months to cover next!

Posted by LegB4wkt on (January 27, 2013, 13:00 GMT)

@Posted by bobmartin ; Amen !!!! You are absolutely right. When they win, They are the best of the bests. When they lose, oh......we are in transition. So pathetic... This overhyped team is a laughingstock. I just can't understand how they are in the no.1 position after loosing 2:1 to Pakistan and 2 out 3 games to England. I think England should be No.1. May be they've managed to pull a fast one to be in the top of the list. No worries..they wouldl find their place in the bottom after they faced Aussies.

Posted by spiritwithin on (January 27, 2013, 12:58 GMT)

@ bobmartin..indian fans r not chest thumping about how great their team is,most of the indian fan r countering fans like u who'r trying hrd to undermine team india's series win,dont say england r 'understrength' when ur 'full strength' batting succumed to 157 and 158 against a very new bowling attack of india,if eng is understrength then india is also playing with new players,man to man both teams has similar we r not saying team india is great bcoz they r not but dont give 'exuses' for ur series loss

Posted by realfan on (January 27, 2013, 12:54 GMT)

@LegB4wkt really dude ... do you think england were understrength with just lack of swan and anderson????? wat dou you say for india???? they dont have sehwag, sachin, zaheer, harbajan, yadav....yes that the half team gone..... and bhuvaneshwar kumar and shami ahemed rookies.... and no settled openers like Bell and Cook, and no overhyped middle order with the like of KP, Morgan, ah yes your favorite smait patel, keiswetter.....

if you say england bowling is your B bowling team.... them you have to admit the fact that we are superior in bowling with only rookies than your experienced one..... our ROOKIES ANNIHILATE your strong middle order in 3 matches..... and you say fielding was poor from england cant ask for excuses their buddy... its a part of game you have to perform... no ifs and buts are not going to help you mate....

lots of ifs and buts made england team, fans go crazy..... ENNGLAND B, C, D....Z side, no bowling attack, no batting, no fielding bla bla bla...pathetic

Posted by mark2011 on (January 27, 2013, 12:53 GMT)

comfortable win by Eng.. cogratz to them... good come back after last defeat.infact eng shud have won the series beating this limping indian side. they merely saved their face from another series defeat. I wonder how this mediocre indian team won world cup 2011, have they played like champs in any ODI after that...?... BTW new stadium is not luck place for India... so they gonna lose matches here in future.. ha haaa poor indiaa.....

Posted by spiritwithin on (January 27, 2013, 12:50 GMT)

@LegB4wkt..''so called No.1 team barely managed to win the series 3:2'''...just to make it clear it was England who came into the series as no.1 team whereas india were no.3,also winning by 3-2 against any top side is not an embarrasment especially if its against the no.1 team,even a team as good as SA(world no.2) lost the odi series to no.8 NZ....ur comments not making any sense

Posted by RISHI2016 on (January 27, 2013, 12:49 GMT)

Ah why are we carrying Ashwin... whats been his performance in last one year... the squad had a mishra ..feel sorry for him.. and what a waste of pujara and rahane when management knew they wont play why not let them play for again pujara and rahane will warm the bench and rohit will be given inundated opportunities.. disgusting...

Posted by SaadRocx on (January 27, 2013, 12:48 GMT)

India Won 3-2 cause of No DRS and Pathetic Umpiring ...simple as that...

Posted by Solid_Snake on (January 27, 2013, 12:47 GMT)

@Ry18 ->I hope Team India finds its form & give some challenge to other teams..

Posted by jmcilhinney on (January 27, 2013, 12:43 GMT)

It's not quite the same when the series is already gone but it's still nice to see England take this game. I'm sure they would have liked to win the series but 2-3 is a significantly better result than they have achieved in the last couple of tours, so it's still an achievement. Finally England managed a decent bowling performance. I'm sure I'm not the only one who noticed that it was the first time Dernbach wasn't in the team. The fact that Bresnan performed better was a big factor too. Nicely paced innings from Bell and a nice finish from Morgan too. It was still disappointing to see the way the batting folded in games 2 and 3 and the bowling didn't really fire until this last game too, so they are still very inconsistent. Some good signs but still plenty of work to do.

Posted by alarky on (January 27, 2013, 12:42 GMT)

Congrats India! But, why don't India cricket try as much as possible, to prepare pitches for their local and international matches like this one in Darysalam and the one that was prepared in Mohali; instead of continuously having their young up and coming batsmen finding out only when they go on tours overseas, that they are only fooling themselves to think that they can bat, when they do so on those bowlers graveyards being dispersed all over India? I'm tired seeing Indian batsmen (old and young) embarrassing themselves when they leave the sub continent and encounter pitches in parts of the world where they need to show that they can really bat. Also to benefit would be young strong Indian men who would like to be fast bowlers. Such pitches would be encouraged to bowl fast. You see the impressive performance of Ishant Sharma and his 'inexperienced' pack today? Now, India selectors should not put any "old wine" into this impressive new bottle of players - for any format whatsoever.

Posted by realfan on (January 27, 2013, 12:42 GMT)

@LegB4wkt thats wat exactly happed with kevin peterson.... he was most overhyped player in his start..... look at him nw..... his average came down to 40 in odi from 50 2 years ago.... you can imagine how much hype he got in his start...... unlike KP, KOHLI got 13 centuries already, and most of them are in chasing.....

every body has a lean patch.... Kohli got this stage after 3 years of his carer and he will evolve more if he goes through this.... dont expect any player to play like hell for all matches.... even hashim amla has lean patch , and he overcam and he is unstoppable now.... just wait with patience......

Posted by pull_shot on (January 27, 2013, 12:42 GMT)

indian team can be claimed as MS DHONI AND HIS FRIENDS + 2 BOWLERS (shami,bhuvi).the team wont change win or loss or dead rubber. pujara, Rahane,manoj tiwary,misra,dinda should stop performing and try to make good friendship with dhoni. Seriously in swinging conditions why yuvraj with top order failures in team and repeated failures of aswin to tredwell,swan,hafez he didnt make a race at all in last 3 series.

Posted by israrak on (January 27, 2013, 12:41 GMT)

@ hindh ... and watching india lose 8 straight test match in overseas, then losing to eng in test and to pak in odis was the biggest treat to watch...

Posted by Winston86 on (January 27, 2013, 12:40 GMT)

@Legb4wicket If Eng are very big team..Why England lost 18 out of 21 games against india?? Ans for this que ..

Posted by Jaffa79 on (January 27, 2013, 12:35 GMT)

A fair result overall; England were certainly not at their best and didn't bat as a unit often enough. This series will be worthwhile if we have learnt one lesson, and that lesson is that Dernbach is not an international bowler!

Posted by bobmartin on (January 27, 2013, 12:31 GMT)

Here we go again... India are the greatest thing since sliced bread... Well played.. another series won...Top of ICC ODI Table... blah... blah... blah. In retrospect India are only top of the table by a percentage point, but let's not face that fact.... And if they have such mastery in this format how come they lost at home 1-2 to Pakistan and only beat an unfancied understrength England team by the odd game at home... Not really such a big deal when you scrape off the hype is it ? Oh and I forgot.. of Dhoni keeps reminding us every time he loses....India is a team in transition... So that's alright then..

Posted by LegB4wkt on (January 27, 2013, 12:27 GMT)

@Posted by gsingh7 ; Not England, but India were very lucky to manage 3:2. The series was decided by one match...i say again match. Raina gave chances thru out his innings today. England didn't field well thru out the ODI series. Otherwise It would have been 2:3 for England. Yeah..just wait n see how Aussies gonna annihilate Indian club-level bowlers. If Indian bowlers think if they can tame Aussie batsmen the way Sri Lankan bowlers did, they are daydreaming... All the credits of this tour go to England. Period.

Posted by Hindhustani on (January 27, 2013, 12:25 GMT)

Dhoni should stop backng non performing players like Ashwin, Ghambir and Rohit sharma. Even Yuvaraj is not performimg. These players cannot play well on seaming pitches. It is very evident from past two series including 3 matches with pakistan. Whenever there is encouragement for fast bowlers, we can see these players not playing well. So how can we expect them to play in Australia world cup.Even new spinner Tradewell is picking wickets against Indian batsman, but Ashwin is not taking more wickets in ODI's. Only due to Dhoni's support, Ashwin is in the team. Chennai super kings connection.

Posted by Raveey_ on (January 27, 2013, 12:23 GMT)

@Solidsnake: whats up with you buddy? before unearthing ajmal your team went through similar period of "season".. India at the present are not a deserving no.1 side because their strength has become their weakness.all of their top order batsmen are out of form , they really need to click as an unit .B.Kumar is a good find considering the next world cup and the champions trophy provided he keeps his length a touch fuller than he did today. Kohli is just going through some bad form , he will get back though . Opening has been the biggest cause of concern in all formats of the game for India and Gambhir really needs to go back to domestic cricket .

Posted by spiritwithin on (January 27, 2013, 12:20 GMT)

@ TrueLankan.. ''Can't even win 4-1 against half an England team''.....REALLY??Eng is missing only trott,swann and anderson..Broad is awfully out of form and Finn is a better bowler than him,so missing just three players is half an england side??in that case india is playing with two 'rookie' bowlers(B.Kumar and Shami Ahmed) and also Rahane in 3matches,must be pathetic for england to lose the series 2-3 to a struggling indian team then???cant u fans even appreciate that a struggling indian team which is in transition and who's losing almost everytime has atleast showed some fight and won the series against eng??before the series Eng was no.1 ranked team in the ODI's,so india did very well overall in the series

Posted by LegB4wkt on (January 27, 2013, 12:15 GMT)

Well, so called No.1 team barely managed to win the series 3:2. And Kohli the Great..well..well..well.. Is he really a great player or just a fairground attraction ?? We've seen over the years, young players come, hit couple of centuries, then hang around in the international stage with out making any notable impact. Thats what happens to overhyped players like Kohli.

Posted by realfan on (January 27, 2013, 12:12 GMT)

@GerrardLK if you say Finn and tredwell B grade bowlers , then what would you say Bhuvaneshwar kumar, Shami ahmed?.... and england struggled against them toooo..... Ahhhh your A grade bowlers...ANDY, SWAN, BROADY?????? just check their bowling averages against india......... i say INDIA with its D grade BOWLING, managed to all out England's A garde BATTING to restrict the score for 150+ 2 times , and 250 one time on lively pitches..... and ENGLAND BEST BATSMEN managed only 326 in flattest of pitches against INDIAN D grade bowling..... and when it came to dharmasala, its just what doctor ordered for england, their home condition.....they won....simple as that....

Posted by spiritwithin on (January 27, 2013, 12:11 GMT)

so whenever England lose any series or match their team is 'not full strength',y u forget the fact that india is also playing with new players like B.Kumar,Shami Ahmed,Rahane etc??and those who r rubbishing indian bowling in this ODI series sud remember that indian attack has bowled well in all matches except the first ODI,infact its the england bowlers who leaked more runs,and not to forget india is playing with two 'new' bowlers,so dont use terms like 'weakened' England team to discredit india's series win because u r also facing a 'transition' team india..

Posted by part_time_cricketer on (January 27, 2013, 12:08 GMT)

this England tour was very successful. beating India in their own backyard is never easy. England won test series, drawn t20 series, now nearly lost ODI series 3-2!!! So India still have to learn a lot from this series rather England. they were champions at home earlier, now not any more !!!

Posted by Naseer_shah on (January 27, 2013, 12:07 GMT)

@Arrow011 Ashwin is not in good form but i have not seen his form .. Or there might different definition of "Form of Player" in the dictionary.Truth is Ashwin and Kumar are over hyped player . Especially Ashwin , He is mere club cricketer . There is no pace/speed of Kumar bowling.

Posted by spiritwithin on (January 27, 2013, 12:06 GMT)

@Solid_Snake,i remember u were writing big stuff's when pak won 2-1 against india but when india won 3-2 its a 'loss' for team india,in hindsight u r trying to twist the story everytime to match ur view to ridicule india

Posted by   on (January 27, 2013, 12:05 GMT)

As told by Indian commentators rohit makes batting look easy, anyone can hang a bat and make it look easy.. team must wake up, Dhoni must be proactive..why was Pujara not selected and what is Rohit , Gambhir and Yuvvi doing in the team, also Kohli proved he still has a long way to go.

Posted by realfan on (January 27, 2013, 12:02 GMT)

well played england... made use of Home conditions well......

Posted by Hindh on (January 27, 2013, 12:01 GMT)

Watching pakistan lose in delhi and sri lanka loosing test series in Aus was a treat to watch for me... Congrats India and Dhoni to win the series and No 1 in ODI rankings...

Posted by TrueLankan on (January 27, 2013, 12:00 GMT)

How embarrassing is this Indian team. Can't even win 4-1 against half an England team. That is just pathetic.

Posted by gsingh7 on (January 27, 2013, 12:00 GMT)

england got lucky with bell today , but nevertheless india deserve top spot in odi to go with series win , keep this up india we want champions trophy next (odi tournament) , as for england they lost 5th succesive series in india , giles must be sacked by ecb for degrading english pride in indian mud with yet another series loss, next up on menu is aussies and their bare cupboard spin bowling and useless batting , come on india win the series and make 1.2 billion smile

Posted by suve on (January 27, 2013, 11:57 GMT)

I have no Idea how India have become ODI number 1 team, OK they have probably the best Batting line up in the world but the bowling and fielding is very poor. The quality of international cricket has dropped in the last 5-10 years. No 1 teams are not supposed to play like this.

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (January 27, 2013, 11:52 GMT)

Well done England - particularly Bell and Bresnan. Finn and Tredwell played beautifully (bowling + fielding); I know Briggs was injured before this game, but really disappointed he wasn't given a go in place of the struggling Dernbach earlier in the series. I'd stick with Bresnan and Woakes ahead of Broad in NZ, until Broad gets his mojo back.

Posted by Arrow011 on (January 27, 2013, 11:47 GMT)

It is time to rest Ashwin from playing 11 in ODIs & use Yuvraj's bowling services more. Ashwin can warm the bench. Ashwin is a long term asset but his form is not good now. Yuvraj should bowl full 10 overs & Raina atleast 5 overs as he usually takes a wicket.

Posted by haq33 on (January 27, 2013, 11:45 GMT)

Valuable series win for India. However this is overall a significantly weakened England team, so well played to take 2 odi wins against the full "strength" Indians. India really needs to realise that Dhoni can't save the day every time.

Posted by Solid_Snake on (January 27, 2013, 11:44 GMT)

Lol team India barely managed to win the series..3-2...They cant even beat England on their own home ground.So called Super Star the Great Kohli forgot how to bat.I guess now is the season of Beating of team India..

Posted by Arrow011 on (January 27, 2013, 11:44 GMT)

@SaadRocx - Despite all those illogical comments Dhoni's average in ODI is 52+ way more than Irish import Eoin Morgan, South african import KP & the captain Alistair Cook. India still beat England 3-2 so it tells you how worse is English team. Wake up buddy.

Posted by crzcric on (January 27, 2013, 11:44 GMT)

lol . india whitewash England .they were lucky to win the series in 3-2. big win for the so called champs.But this is not the best England team.

Posted by spiritwithin on (January 27, 2013, 11:37 GMT)

@GerrardLK,so India is a minnow bcoz their batsman scored 'only' 226 against eng today but eng r not minnow inspite of getting out for 157,158 against the rookie Indian bowling attack,surely ur judgement is purely based on hate and not on actual facts..btw india won the ODI series 3-2,so stop giving excuses and try to show sportmanship and appreciate india's performance in the odi series,both u and yorkshiregenius r doing nothing other than embarrassing genuine English Fan

Posted by mzm149 on (January 27, 2013, 11:36 GMT)

Watching India lose is a treat! But over hyped Kohli getting once again exposed in front of quality fast bowling and Bhuvaneshvar Kumar going wicketless are icings on the cake :)

Posted by Front-Foot-Lunge on (January 27, 2013, 11:35 GMT)

In the end, there's nothing much between these two teams. England's youngsters have met the challenge posed by India 'A' quite easily. How the test defeat in their own back yard must hurt India.

Posted by AK47_pk on (January 27, 2013, 11:22 GMT)

India cruising towards well deserved defeat lol

Posted by VinodGupte on (January 27, 2013, 11:06 GMT)

rohit sharma's next 12 scores -


Posted by CarlP on (January 27, 2013, 10:53 GMT)

Even as a cricket lover I cannot see the point (other than money, which is obviously a bit point!) of games with both sides "resting" some of their best players.

I wish we could get back to less cricket but with every country fielding the best team it can.

Personally, I'm voting with my feet and haven't watched one minute of this last game and won't be watching again until the Ashes when England will field their strongest team.

Posted by CEREBRALGLUTEUSMAXIMAS on (January 27, 2013, 10:39 GMT)

The ability and skill of Jadeja in securing wickets despite the lack of prodigious spin bears testimony to his artistry. The repeated allusions to Warne by Nasir et al and how England have gifted wickets to Jadeja seem ungracious to say the least!! The skill lies in creating uncertainty in the batman's mind and executing the deception to secure a wicket is what matters, not whether you can bear comparison to Warne or not. Jadeja has comprehensively deceived batsmen in this series and proof of the pudding , as they say, lies in the eating... Jadeja has certainly 'feasted' well. As for Nasir and co, time to eat humble pie.. nay..not eat but feast!,

Posted by SaadRocx on (January 27, 2013, 10:37 GMT)

England will win this one easily :P

Posted by SaadRocx on (January 27, 2013, 9:59 GMT)

As many Indians were commenting on Pak/SA i decided to put some highlight on the pathetic batting and bowling line u of India....Kohli proved that he is a perfect flat track home bully ...Gambhir has pathetic footwork.Dhoni is nothing more than a blind slogger...Bowling lineup: B Kumar is impressive, but only in swing friendly conditions...Ishant bowls short crap stuff and would struggle to fit in any club team..Shami Ahmed bowls decent line but he isn't much impressive either..who remains? spinners yeah..Ashwin is over rated..and changes his action every times he bowls and takes Annoying Useless Pauses in between ICC should Ban or at least Warn him for this...(as many Indians were pointing fingers at Finn's habit). Jadeja is Cool tho.

Posted by indadvisor on (January 27, 2013, 9:47 GMT)

Dhoni has a future plan. He is preparing team for next world cup. Rohit is good at opening. let the team settle down. Pujara is good option for tests not for ODIs.

Posted by   on (January 27, 2013, 9:42 GMT)

Are the indian commentary team similar to the indian team?I mean they just dont have anyone else than this ravi shastri and sunil gavaskar?REally really fed up with the same lines and sounds.Wish there was a forum where we could let them know!Lines like 'by any stretch of imagination','his innings came to an end a touch too soon' i mean jeez! how many years will it take for these to step down! To some geniuses and nilbs ,I didnt see any minnow call or batting pitch call when we destroyed england in england many times,be it test or odi! Stop playing on green tops then!,that would give some credibility to ur lines.Barring last few years, England were the punching bag for almost everyone including india and india were pretty good almost everywhere! Cricket is total cricket, not according to one pitch that you guys have in ur backyard!Usa supporters dont give a damn if cuba is better or japan is better in baseball. Respects to most other English fans!,England r a remarkable side currently.

Posted by GerrardLK on (January 27, 2013, 9:40 GMT)

So throughout the ODI series we witnessed that Indian batting is so poor even against the B grade English bowling lineup that is Finn & Tredwell. They only scored against the C grade bowlers like Dernbach / Woakes etc. Imagine they play against first line bowling attack of English such as Andy / Broad / Swann etc?? I can't even see them passing 150 in any match. The poms would have easily whitewashed 5-0 with their A team. Lucky escape for the Minnow side India.

Posted by roy_umesh on (January 27, 2013, 9:12 GMT)

LovedFansofIndianCricket yes dear i agree with you. Many good players do no get a chance to play due to Rohit.

Posted by roy_umesh on (January 27, 2013, 8:55 GMT)

Sehwag should get a chance now. Neither Rohit sharma nor Rahane is going to be the indians opening successful batsman. In india if someone got runs in one match everyone praise so much that news paper is full of it. But people should understand that rohit or rahane can make a good score after playing 5 or 6 innings. Then Sehwag is right for opening batsman because he makes a score quickly.

Posted by yorkshiregenius on (January 27, 2013, 8:35 GMT)

Good bowling by England. Minnows again showed how poor their batting is. We all know we have nothing much to talk about their bowling. It could have been another series defeat for minnows if DRS was there.

Posted by RockcityGuy on (January 27, 2013, 8:29 GMT)

All Kohli bashers....esp u even know what you're talking about??? once in 10 matches it seems..just look at his record...for a 24 yr old thats more than what 98% of the batsman who've played this game have ever achieved...gambhir should leave..stat..and pujara should get a chance...also suryakumar yadav..

Posted by ReverseSwingMaster on (January 27, 2013, 8:26 GMT)

This will be a calk walk for ENG. Go ENG

Posted by tony122 on (January 27, 2013, 8:25 GMT)

@ihaq- Dhoni is a good player and is sharp in thinking. But he is surely very biased and stubborn person.

Posted by nilb on (January 27, 2013, 8:22 GMT)

Indian team should stop playing only in Indian flat tracks and start playing real cricket. World cup is not always in India.

Posted by sachin_vvsfan on (January 27, 2013, 8:15 GMT)

Both teams made some blunders. India retaining the same bowling and batting combination. Those who are asking why gambhir is in team may be the selectors wanted to give him one final chance and as expected he failed. This could be his last series for a while. Pujara should have been in place of yuvraj if we cant find him a place in dead rubber game then we dont have the chance to test our reserves.

England again retained patel and bresnan. (i wont read too much in to bresnans 4 wickets 2 bowlers, 1 nohit, only an out of form kholi wicket is good). Meaker should have been playing this instead of bresnan given that he wont be playing in NZ

Posted by Vivek_Singh3089 on (January 27, 2013, 8:14 GMT)

Loved to see little cameo from Kumar, if he can contribute 20-25 runs at 100 SR in ODI' will be good for us & will give strength to our tail.

Posted by jackthelad on (January 27, 2013, 8:05 GMT)

Rahane, Pujara, Kohli - these are the future for India and some of these past-their-sell-by-date old stagers need to be quietly put out to pasture. I refer to players like Sehwag, Gambhir, Tendulkar, with - as Joyce might have said - a great future behind them.

Posted by   on (January 27, 2013, 8:04 GMT)

BCCI select only 12 member squads or Doesn't select MSD as a caption

Posted by Nish_US on (January 27, 2013, 8:03 GMT)


Dhoni bashers are not after dhoni-the batsman or even dhoni-the ODI captain ---- they are all after his arrogance at keeping TALENT in PEAK FORM like PUJARA away from the playing 11...

Manoj benched forever after scoring a 100 and NOHIT has 10 scores of less than 10 with many zeros, and still makes it to the playing 11

It is this sheer arrogance to bluntly saying "No place for pujara as he has to see where he fits in", but always finds a place to fit in the NOHIT sharma and SIR Jadeja...

Posted by yorkshiregenius on (January 27, 2013, 7:50 GMT)

Good bowling by England. Minnows again showed how poor their batting is. We all know he have nothing much to talk about their bowling. It could have been another series defeat for them if DRS was there.

Posted by   on (January 27, 2013, 7:47 GMT)

End the frustration to pujara.. he deserves a chance...

Posted by ihaq1 on (January 27, 2013, 7:42 GMT)

it seems dhoni really dislikes pujara as he shud have tried a rohit-pujara opening or preferably a pujara- ajankya opening given teh unsteady nature of gambhir these days

Posted by Prats6 on (January 27, 2013, 7:40 GMT)

I am amazed so as to how much ego MSD has. Just to prove a point that most people/cricketers dont know what they are saying, he keeps benching Pujara. India may have won the series but this team cannot play even on the slightest of bowler friendly conditions and we expect this team to be the World Champions?

Posted by VinodGupte on (January 27, 2013, 7:32 GMT)

let's all expect the great, god-gifted, most talented, elegant, the future star, the one and only rohit sharma to dazzle the country with a string of scores such as 7,0,0,4,4,6,2,0,0,0,4,6 for the next dozen games before scoring 65 in 50 against bangladesh.

Posted by tony122 on (January 27, 2013, 7:27 GMT)

@karthy- Kohli is going through a lean patch. Kohli may not turn out a great batsman buy you seem to be biased against him. i can see regional South-North feelings here. Kohli still has an average of 50 in ODI. He has a century in Test in his first tour to Australia. He has made a great start to his Int. career. He is having a bad time for last 3 months. But that is understandable. Kohli plays well off back and front foot. He may become a future great but at least it is 90% probable he will go down as a very good batsman. Get over your prejudices.

Posted by karthy256 on (January 27, 2013, 7:11 GMT)

for all those dhoni bashers. i like to know what kohli has done and other so called batsmen are doing including likes of rahane,rohit,gambir???? boycott in a post in cricbuzz made it clear that so called indian talent is below average actually they r proving it right in every match they play including this one.raina doesn't have a technique like kohli??? he consistently scored 4 fifties while kohli does get a fifty in every 10 innings(both test or odi's or T20's)actually kohli is more overrated player in india whose value is far below ashwin as a batsmen.

Posted by Sir.Ivor on (January 27, 2013, 6:49 GMT)

The sheer arrogance of Dhoni is what is there for all to see. Even today after the series has been won he has refused to accomodate. Pujara. He is probably cocking a snook at the media which has now accepted that they can do nothing to see that Dhoni is replace.

Posted by birdz_eye on (January 27, 2013, 5:48 GMT)

India may have won the series but its evident their performance is miserable even on their home grounds they have to run for their lives what will it be when they'll be touring on unfamiliar territories?? Life saving operation required in Indian team or they are to bite dust on their home soil too.

Posted by gsingh7 on (January 27, 2013, 5:30 GMT)

little seam movement and indian flat track bullies are struggling , still expect century from raina and dhoni to thrash poms by 4-1 victory and retain the all important odi crown , come on team blue, 1.2 billion hearts bleed blue , come on u indians

Posted by   on (January 27, 2013, 5:22 GMT)

I am sure Indian Cricket Captain, MS Dhoni, may be happier! 4 for 58!

Not sure why Virat Kohli was not rested today and experiment with Pujara. There was nothing to lose. The accusation that you do not require a "Dravid" in ODI is short sighted when the team falters so badly at the top order.

I see a disaster at the Champions Trophy Cricket for Team India.

Posted by tony122 on (January 27, 2013, 5:18 GMT)

@ dharsanti- Gambhir good technique? He just pokes his bat to away going deliveries. He was a mediocre batsman always. That is why he got his chance when he was in his late Twenties. He played well for a couple of years but we in India have a tendency to get too familiar with people and then think that is all we have. Gambhir should be thrown out. And better to have an out of form but great batsman like Sehwag than an out of form and mediocre batsman like Gambhir. Yuvraj and Sharma too are not worth their transportation charge to the team. We need to give Rahane,Pujara and some other youngsters more chances.

Posted by Agnostic_buddhist on (January 27, 2013, 5:16 GMT)

Dhoni & Team Management are destroying India's future by not giving opportunities to young players. The current slide of Indian team can be attributed to not blooding in new talent into the team. And it will continue if such brain-dead selection continues. You cannot get different results if you continue to do the same thing.

Posted by api_patel2003 on (January 27, 2013, 5:14 GMT)

Though India won the series, but they didn't got off to a good start in a single match, thats the effect of sehwag, that in first 10-15 overs we used to score more then 6 an over, badly missing you viru!!

Posted by Nish_US on (January 27, 2013, 5:12 GMT)


I really hope your comments are full of satire.... Raina's technique better than Kohli's...

Raina could not play bouncer or even good spin..

But when it comes to commitment I would rate Raina higher than Kohli...looks more of a team man than Kohli

Posted by Nish_US on (January 27, 2013, 5:02 GMT)

so gambhir cannot play pacemen... and now he cannot even play spinners... chasing a wide delivery and ending up scooping in the air....

great technique truly

Posted by Nish_US on (January 27, 2013, 5:01 GMT)

@dharsanti Gambhir and good technique....really

does he know where his off stump is ...only saw the poking and prodding.. no feet movement.. playing away from body....playing in the air...

sure great technique...

but looks like his dice is rolling....

oh no.. it did not afterall

Posted by LovedFansofIndianCricket on (January 27, 2013, 4:48 GMT)

Rohit Sharma is very talented player. But he is blocking other youngsters. Dravid, Sachin, Laxman and Ganguly blocked other player but they are performed Very well and they showed the youngsters how to play Test and ODI. They became good ambasidor of Indian Cricket. But What is the use of Rohith Sharma. He is permorming in one match and failing in next 20 and also blocking other player. But selectors and Mr Cool and not understood this. He won the world cup and reached 1st rank in Test with the help of Dravid, Sachin, Lax and Ganguly and others not with the help of Talented Rohith. Eventhough he is not in World cup team. So we won. But he is in T20 2007 World cup winning Team. He included in later stages so he performed but if he included from very first match, I think india will not reach final. Can you see this other T20(In England, WI...). Selectes pls drop Rohith. He will not become Sachin, Dravid.... even Ojha in bating. Try others(Manoj, Rahane, Pujara)

Posted by dharsanti on (January 27, 2013, 4:36 GMT)

i do not understand why people are against Gambir, he has good technique and has been showing till now in this match. He is joined by equally good batsman Raina, now. I hope for good solid partnership. They should show their class to all the critics.

Posted by Nish_US on (January 27, 2013, 4:32 GMT)

So for something as important as a test match.. it is OK to release the players for domestic cricket... but not for the all important ONE DAY dead rubber

Posted by ImpartialExpert on (January 27, 2013, 4:27 GMT)

Without judging Dhoni's captaincy I think his choices in terms of team selection are hurting India. We may go on and win the match but I think we missed a great opportunity today

Posted by dharsanti on (January 27, 2013, 4:25 GMT)

I have said repeatedly on these pages that raina should play at no 3, instead of kohli, since kohli does not stay on wicket and it puts pressure on whole batting line up. Raina has betterr technique than kohli.

Posted by Aussasinator on (January 27, 2013, 4:17 GMT)

This Steve Finn seems slipping into the Glen Mcgrathian style of bowling. Corridor approach and he also "half-chucks' the ball, as the great Australian got away with.

Posted by Nish_US on (January 27, 2013, 4:15 GMT)

The dice cannot always roll a six afterall

Posted by Temuzin on (January 27, 2013, 3:46 GMT)

So Gambhir prevailed. I thought he should have made way for pujara. It may be Gambhirs last chance.

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