India v New Zealand, 2nd Test, Hyderabad, 5th day November 16, 2010

Flat pitch can't hide India's bowling woes

ESPNcricinfo staff
The Hyderabad pitch may have been great for batting, but that shouldn't overshadow India's bowling problems
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Player after player came to the press conferences and spoke of how this was a better pitch because it had "more bounce". At the end of five days though, the result is exactly the same as it was in Ahmedabad, where Chris Martin's superb new-ball spell in the second innings provided the only drama on a surface every bit as poor as the national highway prepared for Sri Lanka in 2009.

India picked up four wickets in two sessions on Monday. Tim Southee was bowled by Sreesanth, who celebrated as though he had just broken the game open. The other three were gifts. Kane Williamson got a terrible decision, Daniel Vettori slapped one to cover with the game safe, and Brendon McCullum skied one after having toyed with the bowling for more than nine hours.

What will the "pitch experts" say now? Before they came along to ruin the majority of Indian pitches, the country did produce some engrossing Test matches. You only have to look back at the memorable series against Australia in 2001. Mumbai, Kolkata and Chennai all produced results, with the final two games going the distance. Each surface was different from the other, yet they all provided great stages for the tussle between bat and ball.

MS Dhoni was scathing in his assessment of the conditions when asked about the 0-0 scoreline heading to Nagpur. "We might have to play 10 days to get a result," he said. "That's what I frankly believe. The wickets have been on the flatter side. We didn't play well for one hour in the last Test, but that aside, there's been little over the 10 days for seam bowlers or spinners."

On a day when bowlers from the three highest-ranked teams in the world took a pounding, it might be worthwhile to ponder the wisdom of a Test championship. How exactly will it resuscitate interest in the venerable form of the game when boards and groundsmen worldwide are failing the most basic test? Even New Zealand, once known for its seam-friendly surfaces, has recently come up with pitches that would have done justice to timeless Tests.

The pitches in England this past summer sometimes went to the other extreme, but you'd rather have that and the excitement of seeing batsmen tested than games like this, where a total of 500 becomes the mundane norm rather than the exception. Yes, there was bounce on offer in Hyderabad, but at the end of five days, the surface was as free of blemishes as the airbrushed faces in fashion magazines.

India are entitled to a little whinge about the lack of deterioration even on the final day, but with the Nagpur Test just days away, energy would be better expended on an analysis of a bowling attack that was once again made to look utterly insipid. Zaheer Khan, who struggled with a groin strain in this game and will miss the next, is exempt from criticism, having taken 41 wickets at 22.92 this year. His strike-rate of 41.2 is outstanding for someone who has played each of those eight Tests on the subcontinent.

Dhoni refused to accept suggestions that the team was too reliant on Zaheer, but his response only highlighted how central he is to India's bowling plan. "We have others who have done well," he said. "You can say that he's been our spearhead, whatever the track may be. But we lost him in the middle of this game and it became a bit tough. The other bowlers are doing their job though. With a bit more assistance from the pitch, I hope they'll be able to get batsmen out."

As for the support cast, the less said the better. Harbhajan Singh has 31 wickets at 44.7 from nine Tests. He's needed more than 97 balls for each of those wickets. As for Pragyan Ojha, he has 28 wickets at 46.96 from eight games. His strike-rate? 100.3. The fact that they've often had to do containing jobs in the early stages of games on lifeless pitches is a mitigating factor, but what shouldn't be overlooked is how Daniel Vettori has bowled immeasurably better than both so far in the series.

Against a better line-up than Harbhajan and Ojha have had to contend with, Vettori has varied his flight and pace beautifully to compensate for the lack of turn and uneven bounce. India's fifth-day bowling, by contrast, was a monotonous succession of balls pushed through at the batsmen, with the field spread out and runs there for the taking.

When Zaheer hasn't been taking wickets, with new ball and old, India have largely been devoid of plan B. The default option appears to be containment, and against a team like New Zealand that have played the waiting game with aplomb, it's come a cropper. Instead of forcing the issue with aggressive bowling and fields to back it up, India have gone on the defensive against an opponent too smart to fall for the rope-a-dope.

In life, good things might come to those that wait. But in cricket, as in most sport, victory is the preserve of those that make things happen.

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  • Fast_Track_Bully on November 19, 2010, 4:35 GMT

    @shadeen, I am not an expert. But at least I know what is Test cricket and what is ODI.I agree No:1 were not able to beat No:8, but the same happening with other teams too. No:2 not able to beat N:6, No:3 not able to beat NO:7. But you are comparing the ODI wins aganist Test draws!!!. If the NO:9 (last team) beat NO:8 in Test, then you can argue. Otherwise no point in that!

  • PTtheAxis on November 19, 2010, 2:54 GMT

    dhoni takes out one catching fielder per shot from opposition batsman. so four shots and all catching fielders are gone. india won matches with spin having catching fielders no matter what the situation. dhoni is hyperdefensive. waiting for some luck to strike like lightning. no catching fielders - no pressure - no chance of wickets. get in a aggressive captain and teh same bowlers will do better - can't see one on the horizon though

  • cricket_for_all on November 18, 2010, 15:47 GMT

    What I have found out that the ranking system is a joke. I have the followings to prove. 1. NZ is simply playing in India. There is just zero difference between both teams (NZ is playing with so called no.1 team) 2. Look at SA v Pak: Pakistan almost won the ODI series (still it is very close 3-2). If you look at the test series Pak simply drew the match. SA couldn't bowl out low ranked Pak (Trying to find excuses). Most of the umpiring decision went against Pakistan. So how can SA be rank 2 or 3 team? 3. SL, my own country, rank 2, is playing with very low ranked WI in our own soil. WI was about to win the first test (Well It is now in drawing condition even with our home advantage). *SL captain criticized the system. I am really proud of him for the truth.

    We should have some kind of intelligent system: 1. If you win with top ranked team you should get more points than with low ranked team. 2. Winning in other countries should have more points than winning at home.

  • on November 18, 2010, 14:19 GMT

    NZ is playing better cricket and giving india a taste of their own medicine great batting by brendon india's problem is the same, lack of quality bowlers, which is there as long as i can remember NZ deserve to win the series but even if they draw the series it will be as good as a victory

  • shadeen on November 18, 2010, 14:04 GMT

    @ man oo7- i agree that there is a difference between odi nd tests.......but is that difference so huge that the worlds no 1 test team cant beat the no 8 team in two consecutive test matches (at Home).....moreover it just happens that this no 8 team has just had a humiliating tour of bd where they have lost 4 consecutive matches.so much so that vettori called it the worst period of his entire career nd their board official resigned........ whereas india have just defeated the aussies

    do explain.....i m waiting 2 be enligtened with ur expert opinion.....after all we didnt even know the difference between tests nd odis LOL

  • on November 18, 2010, 6:46 GMT

    India played good cricket and they deserve to win, India fightback next match, brendon mcculums was lucky to get double hundred, i think the was out but empire gave not out

  • on November 18, 2010, 5:58 GMT

    @ to all sachinbashers: guys hate him.. it doesnt matter to him, n it doesnt matter to us (sachin admirers).. we adore, worship, idolise, venerate, revere and exalt him and we will to the last breath.. for us yes cricket starts with him n can end with him. fine u want us 2 accept we do not love cricket but just love sachin, well sure we do u cn keep bashing him as he keeps scoring runs and centuries one after another.. well ofcourse other players can play n try n aspire n dream to find such love and admiration from as many fans as sachin has, but it wont matter us.. for us he is not just a hero.. he is that rare breed, who is great enough that his humility does mean a lot in this world.. all others who are humble arent great enough, or great but not humble enough.. he may disappoint us at times but that also is just god like, god too disappoints us many times..;) so u can save ur energy or waste it for nothing.. no one can change our admiration nor it will discount his greatness

  • Fast_Track_Bully on November 18, 2010, 5:01 GMT

    People who don't know the difference between Test and ODI doesn't deserve any reply!. Comparing ODIs with Tests! LOL

  • bc1992 on November 18, 2010, 0:21 GMT

    @zak_ris, you are correct, the simple fact is that Vettori hasnt had as good a series as Harbhajan had with his 32 in 3 tests. He has been a consistent wicket taker his whole career, with his best effort 20 wickets in two tests against Bangladesh a few years back. He has really only once completely destroyed a class team (Australia in 2000, 12 wickets in the test at Eden Park) and has barely turned a ball in 10 years, but his consistency marks him out as a class act. Harbhajan was most certainly close to, if not the best off spinner in the world at his peak, but he hasnt even closely approached that 32 wicket haul once in all his subsequent series. I would be loathe to say that he has lost his wicket-taking ability completely, but based on what he has shown in this current series he may struggle to run through batting lineups from here on. For world cricket's sake I hope I'm wrong, but age catches up to everyone eventually.

  • on November 17, 2010, 18:12 GMT

    India has made the same mistake as Endlnad is making by obsessing about the next series as opposed to the current one. Sreesanth is in the team becasue India would like him to play during S Africa series and repeat his heroics from 4 years ago. Ishant is a better attacking option considering he can perform and rattle at least in spurts, even when he is otherwise struggling - like he did against Australia at Mohali when he opened up the game for India in the second innings. India's bowling has always been ordinary as a unit and this one is no exception. Being ranked #1 now for over a year with this bowling unit, goes you show how increbibly good this batting unit is. Success rate of about 70% in next four away series (A Africa, WI, England and Australia) would seal the legacy of this batting unit in the history of test circket, if it hasn't already.

  • Fast_Track_Bully on November 19, 2010, 4:35 GMT

    @shadeen, I am not an expert. But at least I know what is Test cricket and what is ODI.I agree No:1 were not able to beat No:8, but the same happening with other teams too. No:2 not able to beat N:6, No:3 not able to beat NO:7. But you are comparing the ODI wins aganist Test draws!!!. If the NO:9 (last team) beat NO:8 in Test, then you can argue. Otherwise no point in that!

  • PTtheAxis on November 19, 2010, 2:54 GMT

    dhoni takes out one catching fielder per shot from opposition batsman. so four shots and all catching fielders are gone. india won matches with spin having catching fielders no matter what the situation. dhoni is hyperdefensive. waiting for some luck to strike like lightning. no catching fielders - no pressure - no chance of wickets. get in a aggressive captain and teh same bowlers will do better - can't see one on the horizon though

  • cricket_for_all on November 18, 2010, 15:47 GMT

    What I have found out that the ranking system is a joke. I have the followings to prove. 1. NZ is simply playing in India. There is just zero difference between both teams (NZ is playing with so called no.1 team) 2. Look at SA v Pak: Pakistan almost won the ODI series (still it is very close 3-2). If you look at the test series Pak simply drew the match. SA couldn't bowl out low ranked Pak (Trying to find excuses). Most of the umpiring decision went against Pakistan. So how can SA be rank 2 or 3 team? 3. SL, my own country, rank 2, is playing with very low ranked WI in our own soil. WI was about to win the first test (Well It is now in drawing condition even with our home advantage). *SL captain criticized the system. I am really proud of him for the truth.

    We should have some kind of intelligent system: 1. If you win with top ranked team you should get more points than with low ranked team. 2. Winning in other countries should have more points than winning at home.

  • on November 18, 2010, 14:19 GMT

    NZ is playing better cricket and giving india a taste of their own medicine great batting by brendon india's problem is the same, lack of quality bowlers, which is there as long as i can remember NZ deserve to win the series but even if they draw the series it will be as good as a victory

  • shadeen on November 18, 2010, 14:04 GMT

    @ man oo7- i agree that there is a difference between odi nd tests.......but is that difference so huge that the worlds no 1 test team cant beat the no 8 team in two consecutive test matches (at Home).....moreover it just happens that this no 8 team has just had a humiliating tour of bd where they have lost 4 consecutive matches.so much so that vettori called it the worst period of his entire career nd their board official resigned........ whereas india have just defeated the aussies

    do explain.....i m waiting 2 be enligtened with ur expert opinion.....after all we didnt even know the difference between tests nd odis LOL

  • on November 18, 2010, 6:46 GMT

    India played good cricket and they deserve to win, India fightback next match, brendon mcculums was lucky to get double hundred, i think the was out but empire gave not out

  • on November 18, 2010, 5:58 GMT

    @ to all sachinbashers: guys hate him.. it doesnt matter to him, n it doesnt matter to us (sachin admirers).. we adore, worship, idolise, venerate, revere and exalt him and we will to the last breath.. for us yes cricket starts with him n can end with him. fine u want us 2 accept we do not love cricket but just love sachin, well sure we do u cn keep bashing him as he keeps scoring runs and centuries one after another.. well ofcourse other players can play n try n aspire n dream to find such love and admiration from as many fans as sachin has, but it wont matter us.. for us he is not just a hero.. he is that rare breed, who is great enough that his humility does mean a lot in this world.. all others who are humble arent great enough, or great but not humble enough.. he may disappoint us at times but that also is just god like, god too disappoints us many times..;) so u can save ur energy or waste it for nothing.. no one can change our admiration nor it will discount his greatness

  • Fast_Track_Bully on November 18, 2010, 5:01 GMT

    People who don't know the difference between Test and ODI doesn't deserve any reply!. Comparing ODIs with Tests! LOL

  • bc1992 on November 18, 2010, 0:21 GMT

    @zak_ris, you are correct, the simple fact is that Vettori hasnt had as good a series as Harbhajan had with his 32 in 3 tests. He has been a consistent wicket taker his whole career, with his best effort 20 wickets in two tests against Bangladesh a few years back. He has really only once completely destroyed a class team (Australia in 2000, 12 wickets in the test at Eden Park) and has barely turned a ball in 10 years, but his consistency marks him out as a class act. Harbhajan was most certainly close to, if not the best off spinner in the world at his peak, but he hasnt even closely approached that 32 wicket haul once in all his subsequent series. I would be loathe to say that he has lost his wicket-taking ability completely, but based on what he has shown in this current series he may struggle to run through batting lineups from here on. For world cricket's sake I hope I'm wrong, but age catches up to everyone eventually.

  • on November 17, 2010, 18:12 GMT

    India has made the same mistake as Endlnad is making by obsessing about the next series as opposed to the current one. Sreesanth is in the team becasue India would like him to play during S Africa series and repeat his heroics from 4 years ago. Ishant is a better attacking option considering he can perform and rattle at least in spurts, even when he is otherwise struggling - like he did against Australia at Mohali when he opened up the game for India in the second innings. India's bowling has always been ordinary as a unit and this one is no exception. Being ranked #1 now for over a year with this bowling unit, goes you show how increbibly good this batting unit is. Success rate of about 70% in next four away series (A Africa, WI, England and Australia) would seal the legacy of this batting unit in the history of test circket, if it hasn't already.

  • Nagpur-nationalist on November 17, 2010, 14:20 GMT

    Once again from me- BOWLING WOES WILL REMAIN UNTIL MURALI KARTIK IS NOT PICKED. Cricinfo, how can you IGNORE THE BEST SPINNER?

  • diri on November 17, 2010, 13:04 GMT

    India dont have good bowlers....thats a fact And as we all know bowlers win you matches...therfor India cannot be the best team in the world...everyone in india knows that, just speak the truth. India have a lot to do to prove they are number 1 In my books SA are number 1 because of their all round strenght in all departments

  • Percy_Fender on November 17, 2010, 12:19 GMT

    Harbhajan was a very good bowler. Maybe he has lost his nous for spin bowling. He reckons he is a batsman now. And by playing such match saving innings, he has managed to retain his position in the team. The fact is that he failed in the IPL 3, in the Champions Trophy and in the Sri Lankan series as well. Agaist Australia he may have been marginally better but one could see that he is finished as a bowler. Ashwin is the match winner India needs.He should be drafted in immediately. He is a good batsman also having started his career as a batsman.He may not be the swashbuckler that Harbhajan is but is probably a thinking player.His bowling has improved quite unbelievably and I see no reason for any delay in bringing him in. He was superb in South Africa and I am sure will be quite a handful for the Proteans come December.Jaydev Unadkat should be given his cap and Ishant should regain his place.Sreesanth just does not have the temperament to be a test bowler.He should be kept for 20/20s.

  • on November 17, 2010, 12:13 GMT

    @KiwiRocker : Here are some hard, cold facts about you. You are not from New Zealand. You are the imposter, not Sachin Tendulkar . You are boring everyone by posting the same thing again and again. @bc1992 : You seem to have a very intelligent cricketing brain. Keep up the comments :)

  • sachin_vvsfan on November 17, 2010, 12:00 GMT

    KIWIROCKER? again u pasted the same content ? Arent u tired of bashing sachin ?

  • zak_ris on November 17, 2010, 11:54 GMT

    @bc1992 My point is that why don't we show faith and confidence in our players..This is the best 11 of the number one test team...But that doesn't means that players will always be performing or they'll be in their best form for all seasons...

    Today Zaheer is our main bowler but after some seasons he may not perform and then everyone will say that he's best days are behind him and will start comparing him with other pace bowlers!!! This is what we are doing to Harbhajan singh. We are comparing him with Vettori just because he's doin well in this series.Don't tell me that Vettori never faced tough times like Harbhajan is facing in this series. And if someone has to compare the performances, then just tell me any series where Vettori was as impressive as Harbhajan against Aus in 2001 test series taking 32 in 3 tests..

    All I wanna say is that HARBHAJAN is a world class spinner and world class spinners are bound to make a comeback... Vettori is gr8 but don't underestimate bhajji

  • batmannrobin on November 17, 2010, 11:47 GMT

    @KiwiRocker- Seems like ur only job is 2 bash Sachin in each n every article wid the same boring text Not a single line of this article nor any comment talks abt him. A clear case of biased view against someone n unable 2 digest a legend's succes.As has been seen in many articles, several writers ve proved 2 u how stats can b filtered 2 prove watever u need. Watever Sachin has 2 do wid dis article, GOK!!.n Seems u r watchin a different story. India ve won their last series in Eng n Pak very comfortably.NZ twice almost won?So much pride 4 2 draws??As far as i know, a no-8 batsman has scored 2 100s against and a no 8 n 11 shared a century partnership against them.NZ have been better than most thought n tats it.Last year in NZ, India won the series 1-0 comfortably n if not 4 rain wud ve won d wellington test too n won the ODI series 3-1 handsdown n did the stuff of champion teams @ napier saving a lost test. No team has d record 2 match India's in las 2 yrs n tats y we r no-1.Sour grapes

  • shadeen on November 17, 2010, 11:38 GMT

    @abhishek shah i just dont see whats so funny in a mere fact. its ur pathetic ignorance once again. really maybe its just u or maybe its all indian cricket fans but u guys only have eyes for yourself..........a few reminders 1) Bangladesh have defeated NZ 4-0. india have won nothing yet. BTW IT was da same NZ side thats touring india with a few changes . 2) besides NZ , bangladesh have defeated india da second mosttimes (ignoring ZIM) 3) who can forget da 2007 WC classic......i still remember u guys burning down ur players houses. 4) pakistan hav lost da odi series to SA 3-2 nd hav drawn da first test.........only itching 2 see wat india will do in sa. i m dead sure they will lose both the odi nd test series. 5) abt india going backwards........LOL...ROFL....just a few yeras back i heard da term "t20 ka badshah" lol..i think badsah ka khel khatam ho gaya....nd da icing on da cake will be on this 19th feb...whn india will lose to bangladesh

  • dylzadude on November 17, 2010, 11:30 GMT

    The pitch is to be blamed. India supporters should not bag Bhaji, his batting saved you a possible humiliation. I'd like to thank the curators for a flat wicket that has let a NZ team with great potential finally live up to it and given our boys the confidence to be possible favourites ahead of the third test (especially since India have no Zaheer - by far their best bowler) for the series victory. These pitches around the world need to have a set standard especially with the test championship coming up, look around the world today 333 for Gayle in sri lanka, Pakistan denying the nastiest bowling attack on earth and the kiwis batting better than Tendulkar! Cricket players are constantly receiving strife for inconsistency well lets see some from curators around the world so I can finally stop explaining to cricket ignorants why games go for 5 days and no one wins. Go the Kiwis!!

  • crisspyman on November 17, 2010, 11:25 GMT

    No bowler in India has the capacity to bowl at 150.....That may be a reason

  • Fast_Track_Bully on November 17, 2010, 11:04 GMT

    @KiwiRocker, just one doubt. Can you pls show me one person who have good record aganist all these bowlers???? Also, as far as I know, Sachin scored a lot aganist Wasim, Waqar in ODIs. But a player who played 400+ ODIs can't keep a good average all the time. And ask him to perform above 50+ on all these 400 ODIs will be a crime!

  • Fast_Track_Bully on November 17, 2010, 10:57 GMT

    @shadeen #There are lot of differences between ODIs and Test. Also, do not assume a team will lost all series just because they lost one series!Pakistan lost to Aus 5-0 few months back and they won 2-1 recently. #VVS. It is same with other teams too. think about , if there was NO Beven, NO Akram, NO Gyle, NO Murali...one good player can do the finishing job, thats cricket. # Sports channel will call it the 'End of The World' because they have to attract people. No sports channel will call Pak-Eng series as ' Biggest Match Fixing' to attract people. :)

  • bc1992 on November 17, 2010, 10:55 GMT

    @zak-ris, Vettori's achievements are greater than Harbhajan's because he hasn't had the support at the other end throughout his career like Harbhajan has. Vettori has been the lone spinner, while Harbhajan had Anil Kumble taking 500 plus wickets. Vettori has had the likes of Jeetan Patel, Mark Priest and several other forgettable names - none of them world beaters. Its a bit like Hadlee in the 80s, Hadlee's record is incomparable to the other greats of that time simply because he more or less did it all on his own (Chatfield, Cairns, Troup etc were all reasonable bowlers but nowhere near Hadlee's class). Harbhajan was a pretty handy bowler in his time, but his best days may be behind him. Vettori's best days are also long gone, but he will continue to take wickets and frustrate batsmen for a while yet. Oh, and telling people who disagree with you to shut the hell up doesnt really enhance your argument.

  • on November 17, 2010, 10:41 GMT

    @kiwirocker: Hillarious dude!!! amazing i could not stop laughing reading all the funny stuff u've written.. surely srilanka, pakistan and bangladesh are on rise hahahahahaha tht was epic hillarious!! wow.. cant remem when was last time i laughed such a lot..

  • KiwiRocker- on November 17, 2010, 9:59 GMT

    Reality check folks...I am tired of people calling a mortal human as God and someone with an unknown IQ as Genius. Here is some hard cold facts about the most over rated batsman of world Tendulkar: In tests against Australia; Sachin averages a modest 36.77 against Australia when McGrath played. In test against SA; Sachin averages a pathetic 32 against South Africa whenever Allan Donald has played.Tendulkar was a failure against Wasim and Waqar and hardly played against them. He anyway averaged 32 runs against them. Interestingly he still averages around 40 against Pakistan. Against the 3 greatest fast bowlers of his era, whom he faced in more than one Test series, McGrath, Donald and Akram, Sachin has scored 1719 Test runs at a modest average of 34.3 (compared to his career average of 56). This is the very definition of being over-rated. You can not become best by scoring against Shane Warne. You need to score against the best to become the best. Just like Sir Viv Richards did..

  • KiwiRocker- on November 17, 2010, 9:56 GMT

    Gary Kisten must be crying in a corner after this humiliation from NZ. India were talking about WHITE WASH….Yes right…Talk about rubbish ICC rankings..A half Pakistani team hammered SA and a full strength India almost lost twice against NZ…Teams like SA, England and Australia and solid in each department and India is useless in bowling, fielding and middle order. These Rains and Pujaras were taken to cleaners by Malinga..They can not face quality fast bowlers…Sri Lanka, B'desh and Pakistan are on rise while India is going backwards…Its time to get rid of greedy Tendulkar…Imposter can learn from Younis Khan about how to bat under pressure…India is playing musical chairs with average bowlers like Sreesanth and co. Harbhajan does not deserve to be in team because of his bowling…It is time to get rid of dead wood like Tendulkar and Dravid...Number one team...yes..Right!.What did they win? Nothing in England, Pakistan, SA.cheers Uncle Pawar at ICC.Soon others will party in India during WC

  • zak_ris on November 17, 2010, 9:32 GMT

    @klobania agreed HARBHAJAN is not bowling well and Vettori has done better than him in this series..Also that Vettori is not dependent upon pitch conditions. He's speed variations earns him the scalps...But believe me that cannot stop any opposition to score 400-500 runs...I haven't seen vettori getting under the skin of oppositions .. Look at this series, he's getting 4-5 wickets in each innings..but still batsmen are finding any trouble to play him..All I want to say is be patient with Harbhajan..look at Harbhajan.. in his match winning efforts he gets the oppostion in just two sessions.. In this series (tiil two test matches) VETTORIi is doing well and thats the maximum he can do. He can't get India out before 350-400. But an in form Harbhajan can do loads of damage..(might even get NZ out under 200)...So be patient and show confidence in HARBHAJAN..After all, few bowlers can take 32 wickets in 3 test matches...

  • on November 17, 2010, 8:35 GMT

    So is the rookie, Jaydev Unadkat going to replace Zaheer in the next match?? Or he is called in the squad as back up?

  • klobania on November 17, 2010, 8:13 GMT

    @zak_ris what u r talking about. u r right how come vettori be compared with harbhajhan. since vettori is far better bowler, fielder n batsman to harbhajan. just go n check singh's record outside india n u will know his greatness. i think if vettori is getting 5 wickets with 400 on board even singh is failing to achieve half of it. look at this series or last couple of yrs stats n u will understand

  • on November 17, 2010, 8:06 GMT

    The drawn Hyderabad Test truly exposes the fragile thought process of Indian Cricket team including the Captain and lead spin bowler Harbhajan Singh. If we lose a test match or end up drawing a winning test match, the captain is quick to point out the shortfall/inaccuracies of the pitch, weather conditions, in-experience & learning curve etc, etc. During the T20 World Cup held in West Indies earlier this year, Dhoni looked innocent when India lost in qualifying rounds, saying Indian team did not had enough experience playing in Short-pitch, Neck high bouncers, when players like Jadeja, Raina, Murali Vijay, Rohit Sharma, Dinesh Karthik & Pathan clearly languished as an International player simply because they are exposed to so called "turning Indian wickets" than bouncy tracks.

  • on November 17, 2010, 7:53 GMT

    I'm a fan of the effort SreeSanth puts in - but his discipline with accuracy and no balls is deplorable. If he's #3 on India's choice of quick bowlers - we have more than a problem with our bowling. Between Ojha and Singh, they took wickets in fits and bursts. Neither of them looked convincing and as has been a problem with spinners in India for a long time, they're better bowlers on a bad pitch than a batting one. The batting is looking iffy and has seen better days. I'm a supporter of the Indian team, but I don't think this team deserves the #1 cap. I'll be surprised if this team can pull off a drawn series in South Africa.

  • Rukus_NZ on November 17, 2010, 7:47 GMT

    lol zak_ris - all he said was that Vetorri has bowled better than Harb and Ojah in this series, and he has - so dont get all angry and compare the batting. Sure we all accept that Harbj probably saved india in most cases with his runs, much like how B McC and Kane did.. I think you need to accept the fact that india is now overstocking batsmen in thier team (all the way down to 8) and dont have enoug all rounders / bowlers to take key wickets in this series.. Will be interesting to see how Kahns replacement in the third test does!

  • Viper2.0 on November 17, 2010, 7:12 GMT

    I wonder what harbajan has to say about the pitch.Hope he doesn't say that this is one of the worst bowling tracks he has seen,since he didn't take too many wickets in the 2nd innings :P

  • diri on November 17, 2010, 6:21 GMT

    3-0 to SA

  • Desihungama on November 17, 2010, 5:59 GMT

    @Man007- No, they (curator) don't or have to make bowler friendly pitches in Pakistan simply because the criteria for a fast bowler selection is to have the bowler possess "skills" to bowl out opponents on flat tracks. On a second note, after Gavaskar I must say it is Sehwag and not Tendulkar.

  • zak_ris on November 17, 2010, 4:57 GMT

    Oh just shut the hell up...... No comparison b/w Harbhajan and Vettori..... Okk Harbhajan is not among the wickets but then Vettori being among the wickets, has not done anything great to his side....I mean what is the use of Vettori taking 5 wickets if they can't get India out before 450-500..Add to his insult, HARBHAJAN finds it pretty simple to hit Vettori straight over his head for a six....

    These flat pitches can never produce a result..even Muralidharan or Shane Warne cannot produce a result on these pitches...

    If still doubting about Harbhajan's caliber to make a comeback, prepare a turning pitch and just see how he rools over the kiwis...Even on turning pitches Vettori will bowl like a loser, bowling whole day taking five wicktes but still the opposition has gone to score 400-500 runs...

  • shadeen on November 17, 2010, 4:53 GMT

    this is the true india........i dnt know why they always get so attention. The bowling is below par....even the bangladeshi bowlers restricted the NZ team below 200, 3 times last month(twice while defending). besides z.khan no one seems 2 b of int standard. da only reason that india has been escaping with victories is bcoz of their world class batting......but again the youngsters dnt generate to much hope....there has been a lot of fuss abt da ind vs aus series..bt can anyone tell me if there was no laxman then wht wud hav happened? before this series i saw in a indian sports channel calling this da SERIES OF DOMINATION...pathetic.lol....believe me this upcoming WC india r out in da first round again..nd guess wholl they lose 2 first? BANGLADESH !!!!!!!! ITS DEJAVU

  • Fast_Track_Bully on November 17, 2010, 4:51 GMT

    @KarachiKid. Before you criticize others, just think about the pitches in your country. Is it bowling friendly? Curators will build a 5 day pitch based on Board's instructions so that the play will last 5 days. If it ends up in 2-3 days, they will lost lot of money.

  • rush2rajiv on November 17, 2010, 4:39 GMT

    India needs to attack more.. They have given easy single and doubles.. we can see NZ attacked more.. its difficult for the indias to pick up the singles when sachin and laxman where batting in the first test match... if we see in the second test McCullum taking easy singles and doubles.. When it comes to fielding NZ but their best hands but Indians are lazy in the fielding.. Indian bowling line up needs to stick to tight line and length and put the pressure on the batsman...

  • needgreenpitches4bowlingallrounders on November 17, 2010, 4:34 GMT

    Expectations on a Team should be limited in modern Test Cricket. Facts------ India is no 1 not cos we win each and every test we win series,Not cos we win from loosing position but cos we don't loose from loosing position. We draw a high percentage of test . we loose minimal tests. This is the reason we are No.1 Regarding not taking 20 wickets with 4 man bowling attack its tough if u r strike bowler gets injured. Spin bowling reserves esp Bhajji needs some more imagination and need to come in play a lot in our dust bowls that said Bhajji improving his batting is good rather then Bad. TEST CRICKET IS NOT ABOUT RUN RATE BUT ABOUT SESSION TO SESSION PRESSURE . INDIA CAN'T JUST OVER NIGHT BECOME BAD TEST PLAYING NATION ALSO NZ IS NOT TRYING TO WIN BUT JUST TRYING TO PLAY LIKE ENGLAND UNDER NASIR HUSSAIN(VERY NEGATIVE ) WINNING EACH AND EVERY GAME IS TOUGH IN BATSMEN FRIENDLY PITCHES. JUST CREATE PRESSURE AND WAIT FOR OPPONENT TO BLINK FIRST GOOD LUCK TEAM INDIA

  • anshu.sunny on November 17, 2010, 4:25 GMT

    i know the bowlers bowled badly but Dhoni's captaincy is the worst..his entire captaincy...is ok..this is my gut feel...lets do this..n if it doesnt come off..he goes on the defensive..there is no strategy ..no application of mind...i dont think he really motivates the players enough......being cool with players n that so called giving space to them is good but u dont win games without proper planning n execution..

  • needgreenpitches4bowlingallrounders on November 17, 2010, 4:21 GMT

    LOL just last month we trashed OZ and everyone was going GAGA!!! its all too common with media and now with fans trashing.WE ARE NOT WI 1980's OR OZ 1995's.ISSUES FOR MEDIA/FANS 1)dhoni 2)bowling 3)Pitch 4)selectors 1-DHONI- Sure he might not be in gr8 form of his life . We can still live. No other captain currently in world cricket performing in a dual role and team being ranked no.1 is made to feel insecure by media. Does MEDIA EXPECTS THIS TEAM TO BE STEVE WAUGHS WORLD BEATERS LOL THIS IS HIGHTS OF EXPECTATION. 2-BOWLING- when was our bowling better in last 2-3 years, with strike bowler ZAHEER INJURED in middle of match and clearly underbowling in 4 man attack its bound to happen that we lack on bowling End.India traditionally wants 4 bowlers in batsmen friendly pitches ;( still it was working fine for last 2-3 years why worry now 3-pitch same since i started watching cricket in india (1990's) 4-selectors no issues best XI chosen performance is issue!

  • CharlieAlanJakeHarperFamily on November 17, 2010, 4:15 GMT

    YEAH PITCHES CAN SURELY NOT HIDE INDIAS POOR BOWLING RESOURCES NEED TO GO WITH 5 MEN BOWLING ATTACK ATLEAST HAVE A CHANCE REMOVE RAINA DONT NEED 7 BATSMEN IN HOME SERIES 3 SPINNERS AND 2 QUICKS

  • VipulPatki on November 17, 2010, 4:00 GMT

    @KarachiKid: I have to agree with you. There simply aren't enough rewards for a fast bowler in India. Hence we have joggers like Mithun, Pathan, Kuruvilla, Prasad, Mohanty, etc, etc masquerading as fast bowlers.

  • indianpunter on November 17, 2010, 3:55 GMT

    No use bawling and blaming the pitch. India has to wake up and acknowledge a few facts. Here goes my 2 cents. 1. Drop Dravid. He is a liability. If the powers that be insist on him being picked, play him at 5/6 rather than at 3 where he is at best a "momentum killer". 2. Bring in Ashwin into the test team. This will give Bhaji the message. If we are looking to him to bail our batting, god help us. 3. Taking Dravid to SA will be like taking Vengsarkar to Australia in 91-92, utter disaster awaits us. 4. Play Laxman at 3 and Pujara at 5. if Raina is not making runs, bring in Vijay.

  • Navin84 on November 17, 2010, 2:48 GMT

    Is this the same side that beat the Aussies 2-0 last month? India needs the old Harbhajan back...the one who takes plenty of wickets in India and score the occassional 50, not 100+ and take 2 or 3 wickets in a match, the real batsmen would come into their own. Now that Zaheer is out, India don't stand a chance of getting 20 wickets...it's either a draw or a win for NZ.

  • Virander.Sirohi on November 17, 2010, 1:30 GMT

    Is harbhajan a bowler or a batsman??? if he is a bowler then India should drop him for not taking wickets.

  • mahi678 on November 17, 2010, 1:07 GMT

    For the third test, its better to make some changes.

    Bring in Murali vijay in place of gambhir, unadkat in place of injured zaheer. pujara in place of dravid. raina can be with replaced with a ishanth if the pitch is flat track.

    There is good chance of success as: it improves indian run rate with stroke playing murali and pujara

    I think in both tests, we had slight upper hand but drawn because of slow batting.

    Unakdat can be surprise pack for NZL(ishanth already proved that he need to imroved a lot).

  • knowledge_eater on November 16, 2010, 22:56 GMT

    Bowlers should go on strike and decline to bowl on pitches like this. 5th day of test batsman can easily play by going on back-foot in India!! you gotta be kidding me.

  • on_the_level on November 16, 2010, 22:35 GMT

    All it takes is a couple of aggresive strokes from the opposition for Dhoni to go on the defensive. His captaincy has been abysmal, and his field placings send a clear message to the bowlers to bowl defensively. Add to this his poor batting, and he is now a liability for India. Dravid should be rested for the third Test, with Pujara at 5 and Laxman at 3. With India needing to go for a win, we should have 5 bowlers, and aggresive captaincy for a change.

  • silent_observer on November 16, 2010, 20:54 GMT

    'what shouldn't be overlooked is how Daniel Vettori has bowled immeasurably better than both so far in the series'. This is a fact BCCI should not overlook. Murali, Qadir, Kumble and past spin greats did not require spin friendly pitches to get wickets. They could still get wickets with variations, flight and mind games. They were not push overs on dead pitches they still had ability to get wickets. Indian present spin bowlers Bhajji, Ojha & Mishra lack that ability, they are clueless on dead pitches. Bhajji has 400 + wickets but he has not added new wicket taking deliveries, his bowling is stale, how much he has improved with experience? Very soon India will need to build spin academies on lines of pace ones we have. Pace bowlers less said the better. After Zak there is no one and he is no longer young. Indian bowling dept do not even have hope.

  • Indiaiancrickinfo on November 16, 2010, 20:50 GMT

    Yousuf Pathan is the closest batsman to Chris Gayle(scored 333) style in International Cricket. Aggression to start of with and Dominating opposition with Hard Shots all around the place. Both have got an apetite for big scores as well... But.... In India, there is a quota for Players in terms of religion, caste, Zone and we might never see the rightful Player getting a Fair chance. Where is Robin Utthapa,Irfan Pathan, Yousuf Pathan? Why was Kaif Dropped from Peak? what is his future? Why is Rahul Dravid and VVS laxman, Irfan Pathan, Yousuf Pathan not in the One day squad? Yuvraj Singh.... Why was he demoted to Group B contract, Why was Group D scrapped despite of Indian Cricket board being 'The Richest Sporting Body" in the World? This and many questions... arise in one's mind. I belive that the management and Selection should be Outsourced just as the Coach of Indian team and then only we can see some fair selection and India can win.

  • on November 16, 2010, 20:49 GMT

    In my opinion Dhoni's just whinging as usual about the pitch. There was nothing wrong with this pitch -- there was enough bounce in it, and there were quite a few balls that were jumping up if the spinners flighted them. India just didn't have an attacking mindset....sure wickets may have got flatter over the years but that doesn't mean you shouldn't try to get wickets. While you can't really bring back Kumble from retirement, there is no doubt in my mind that Bhajji needs a rest/needs to be dropped. We need to pick a spinner who is not afraid to get hit in the pursuit of taking wickets. And somebody needs to go tell Dhoni that it's not just about containment. As far as the batting is concerned, if we need Harbhajan Singh to bail us out of trouble there's something going wrong. Dhoni has been woefully out of form -- and his batting position is crucial once the top/middle order has given a good foundation. That said, we also need an attacking batsman at 3. Push Dravid down the order!

  • KarachiKid on November 16, 2010, 20:27 GMT

    I doubt Indians would ever understand the real problem in their Tendulkar-mania mind set. The problem is that you have been producing world class batsmen Gavaskars, Tendulkars, Dravids, Laxmans, Sehwags etc etc. Tendulkar is god as far as Indian cricket fan is considered. The groundsmen are compelled to produce placid featherbeds in order for the worshippers to watch their deities flourish. So the real culprits are the flat tracks not really your bowlers. You have a decent bowling line up but due to paucity of rewards, fast bowlers eitehr break down picking up injuries or they simply slow down like Pathan and Prabhakar. A few decades ago, your groundsmen will prepare turning dustbowls. No more, as all the international teams have a few decent spinners now and they will pose at least some problems for your batsmen. Increasingly the world over, pitches are becoming flatter. While taking nothing away from him, I dont think Sehwag would have been so destructive 20 years ago.

  • Umamahesh_Srigiriraju on November 16, 2010, 20:16 GMT

    I feel Dhoni is majorly responsible for these draws apart from pitches. He simply lacks imagination. You can't sit back and think that things will happen. He played it safe, bordering on cowardice, in the first test. And in this test the field placements are inexplicably defensive. Agreed, the batsmen might get a few or even a hundred runs when the field set is aggressive but everything is lost if those batsmen don't get dislodged in the first place. Even his batting is very poor and his keeping is never world class. So, that begs the question is he really worth his place in the team? May be not. I would say that his Captaincy is pretty ordinary sans imagination and forcing the opposition batsmen into mistakes or keep the bowlers and fielders interested. And add to that his poor batting and keeping. I see something like a Ganguly in the making. I hope that is not the case. But if it indeed is the case, then VVS should be the obvious choice for Captaincy.

  • nlambda on November 16, 2010, 20:08 GMT

    We are going to get beaten 0-2 or 0-3 by SA :-(

  • klobania on November 16, 2010, 20:07 GMT

    why dont india try harbhajan as wicket keeper. i mean he is batting far better than dhoni while his bowling is far worse than raina n sehwag. so india has find another batsman at the cost of bowler yuppy

  • on November 16, 2010, 20:06 GMT

    i think main thing which inda is always lacking is good pace attack.we can only put faith on zaheer khan for pace attack and no other goog fast bowler.

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  • Agus2010 on November 16, 2010, 19:50 GMT

    Have anyone noticed last two test matches?? Bhajji changing himself become a "Batting" All rounder (69,115 and 4 Wickets in 1st Test 111 and 4,1 Wicket in the 2nd test) while Raina become a "Bowling All Rounder" (3,0 and 1 Wicket in 1st Test 20, DNB and 0,2 Wickets in the 2nd test) anyhow India got Batting and Bowling All rounders for the Worldcup 2011

  • anikbrad on November 16, 2010, 19:32 GMT

    WHAT ALL BOGUS ALL TOP EX CRICKETERS AND COMENTATORS ARE SPEAKING. IT SEEMS THE EX CRICKETERS NEVER SEEN TEST CRICKET THE AUS DOMINATED 1990 -2008 with 4 bowlers, WI IN THE 1970-90 HAD 4 BOWLER. ONLY TIME ANY TEAM PLAYED WITH 5 BOWLERS WHEN THEY HAD ALROUNDERS LIKE KALIS, BOTHAM, KAPIL IMRAN, SOVERS, MILLER. EVEN PAK WITH AKRAM AND WI WITH MARSHAL AND SA BEFORE KALIS PLAYED WITH 4 BOWLERS. NAME A SINGLE TEAM THAT PLAYED WITH 5 BOWLERS, MOST OF THE TIME. EVEN ENG A GOOD TEAM NOW PLAYS WITH 4 BOWLERS . UNLESS U SAY COLLINWOOD IS PLYED AS BOWLER. WHEN PEOPLE SAY IF 6 BATSMAN CANT DO 7TH CANNOT. I SAY THE SAME IF 4 BOWLERS CANT DO 5TH CANNOT. IF IN IND NO ONE IS PICKING 20 WKTS REGULARLY TO WIN ENOUGH MATCHES IT BECAUSE OF THE PITCH AND POOR BOWLERSAS THEY PLAY WITH 1 (ZAK) AND HALF BOW (ALL OTHER) OF IND NOT 5 BOWLERS THEORY. BOGUS TO SAY THE LIST. I CHALLANGE ANY ONE TO PLEASE NAME A TEAM THAT HAS PLAYED WITH 5 BOWLERS CONSTANTLY WITH ALL AVARAGING BELOW 15 WITH BAT (EXP PROBABLY ZIM).

  • on November 16, 2010, 19:00 GMT

    India is known for its batting pitches and that very reason is good enough to kill the test match... also india does not have a quality attack ... india need to look beyond bhaji and others ... I was expecting india to make spin track .. not sure wat happened to that ....

  • mits6 on November 16, 2010, 18:49 GMT

    well Dhoni himself is proving out a burden , who can't score ( absolutely out of form ) nor can keep (d/t finger injury ) .& without an extra bowler its not possible to win on such flat pitches ( when zaheer has injury problems & harbhajan not performing with ball )

  • kr_kinshuk on November 16, 2010, 18:30 GMT

    i think the main problem is the deteriorating quality of india's spinning options.... the medium pacers have actually improved over the years... it was munaf who won us games in west indies, and zaheer in england... , or sreesanth in south africa and ishant did a fairly good job in australia...

    even on the flat wickets of india, they've done fairly well given the nature of these pitches....

    the spinners on the other hand have become worse and worse.....

  • Sanj747 on November 16, 2010, 18:12 GMT

    A one dimensional attack with an injury prone bowler. How are they going to take 20 wickets in SAF, WIs, Eng and Aus over the next 12 months. Thought they were the number 1 team. Great stuff from NZ. India are an ordinary lot. SL are struggling without Murali. India are also without Kumble.

  • on November 16, 2010, 17:56 GMT

    Idiotic pitches!! Better to prepare seaming/spinning wickets where the test gets over in 3days with low scores. Nobody will complain. God knows why this type of pitches are made!!!!!!

  • passionate_cricket_follower on November 16, 2010, 17:07 GMT

    dhoni should be removed as captain of the test side. he does not merit a place in the team as a batsman/keeper alone. he's become a non-performing captain as ganguly in his last yrs as captain. Laxman should be given captaincy of the test team. in fact lax should have been the captain after kumble.

  • ArdentCritic on November 16, 2010, 16:59 GMT

    I say what about batting woes. Top order barring Sehwag - Is useless. On the other end in the era of watching every game played and having stats of every player - Looks to me Kallis is all set to cross Dravid in Test Run scored (He already in ODI & OneDay) and he will surpass the Great SRT in Test Average soon. That does not even include his all round performance with the seam bowling (530 wickets and counting). So I say Move over Sachin/Dravid. There is another all time Great in the Cricket to be talked about.

  • mahi678 on November 16, 2010, 16:55 GMT

    The major factor is zaheers absence. see the dismal performance without zaheer. plus the captain who lacks confidence in team and winning.

    lastly the guys like dravid fit for drawing tests. It is because of sehwag we are winning not the dravid. if gambhir doesn't change his approach better give way for murali vijay. the guys like pujara need to be encouraged.

  • Nampally on November 16, 2010, 16:34 GMT

    Inclusion of Unadkat in the squad is a good move. I prefer to see Ishant, Unadkat and Sreesanth playing to strengthen the bowling which is amazingly poor for a test match. India must go in with 5 bowlers (2 Spinners + 3 pacemen) and 5 batsmen + Dhoni.Unless India does this they have no chance of taking 20 wickets.The batsmen like Dravid, Gambhir, Dhoni and Tendulkar need to step up their game.Total Reliance on Sehwag, Laxman and Harbhajan is not good for the team.If Dravid cannot bat better than 2 runs/over, it is better to include Pujara or Kohli. The same applies to Gambhir. If he is out of form, let Vijay or Mukund take his place.If Dravid is replaced with Pujara, VVS can bat #3 and Pujara at #5.India should expect 100% effort from all their batsmen and the same goes with the bowlers.Lack of production means you are out of the team. Get that message. This is essential if India wants to remain #1 and not lose to #7 team. NZ played better than India in both the tests so far.

  • on November 16, 2010, 16:09 GMT

    After the first test Dhoni wanted 'better umpiring' instead of UDRS. After the kind of decisions New Zealand suffered this test, it is possible that he would ask for the opposite, as that seems the only way for India to take 20 wickets without Zaheer in Nagpur. I feel that his lack of imagination as a captain is a major contributor to these boring draws. Instead of playing it safe, he might do well to ask for five bowlers; that is if he has any faith left in his own batting to come good in these featherbeds.

  • SnowSnake on November 16, 2010, 16:03 GMT

    I think fast bowlers in test cricket are a dying breed. India alone is not to be blamed. Fast bowling in test cricket all over the world is pathetic. The likes of Bret Lee, Akthar, Bond, Tait have all retired/not available in test cricket. All modern fast bowlers rarely bowl over 145 kmph (90 mph). The poor outcome of Ind-NZ and Pak-SA; and ongoing batting feast in SL-WI is a testament to batsmen making merry on pitches around the world.

  • on November 16, 2010, 15:50 GMT

    I don't see any issues with the bowling...Pitch to be blamed and not the bowlers!!!

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  • on November 16, 2010, 15:50 GMT

    I don't see any issues with the bowling...Pitch to be blamed and not the bowlers!!!

  • SnowSnake on November 16, 2010, 16:03 GMT

    I think fast bowlers in test cricket are a dying breed. India alone is not to be blamed. Fast bowling in test cricket all over the world is pathetic. The likes of Bret Lee, Akthar, Bond, Tait have all retired/not available in test cricket. All modern fast bowlers rarely bowl over 145 kmph (90 mph). The poor outcome of Ind-NZ and Pak-SA; and ongoing batting feast in SL-WI is a testament to batsmen making merry on pitches around the world.

  • on November 16, 2010, 16:09 GMT

    After the first test Dhoni wanted 'better umpiring' instead of UDRS. After the kind of decisions New Zealand suffered this test, it is possible that he would ask for the opposite, as that seems the only way for India to take 20 wickets without Zaheer in Nagpur. I feel that his lack of imagination as a captain is a major contributor to these boring draws. Instead of playing it safe, he might do well to ask for five bowlers; that is if he has any faith left in his own batting to come good in these featherbeds.

  • Nampally on November 16, 2010, 16:34 GMT

    Inclusion of Unadkat in the squad is a good move. I prefer to see Ishant, Unadkat and Sreesanth playing to strengthen the bowling which is amazingly poor for a test match. India must go in with 5 bowlers (2 Spinners + 3 pacemen) and 5 batsmen + Dhoni.Unless India does this they have no chance of taking 20 wickets.The batsmen like Dravid, Gambhir, Dhoni and Tendulkar need to step up their game.Total Reliance on Sehwag, Laxman and Harbhajan is not good for the team.If Dravid cannot bat better than 2 runs/over, it is better to include Pujara or Kohli. The same applies to Gambhir. If he is out of form, let Vijay or Mukund take his place.If Dravid is replaced with Pujara, VVS can bat #3 and Pujara at #5.India should expect 100% effort from all their batsmen and the same goes with the bowlers.Lack of production means you are out of the team. Get that message. This is essential if India wants to remain #1 and not lose to #7 team. NZ played better than India in both the tests so far.

  • mahi678 on November 16, 2010, 16:55 GMT

    The major factor is zaheers absence. see the dismal performance without zaheer. plus the captain who lacks confidence in team and winning.

    lastly the guys like dravid fit for drawing tests. It is because of sehwag we are winning not the dravid. if gambhir doesn't change his approach better give way for murali vijay. the guys like pujara need to be encouraged.

  • ArdentCritic on November 16, 2010, 16:59 GMT

    I say what about batting woes. Top order barring Sehwag - Is useless. On the other end in the era of watching every game played and having stats of every player - Looks to me Kallis is all set to cross Dravid in Test Run scored (He already in ODI & OneDay) and he will surpass the Great SRT in Test Average soon. That does not even include his all round performance with the seam bowling (530 wickets and counting). So I say Move over Sachin/Dravid. There is another all time Great in the Cricket to be talked about.

  • passionate_cricket_follower on November 16, 2010, 17:07 GMT

    dhoni should be removed as captain of the test side. he does not merit a place in the team as a batsman/keeper alone. he's become a non-performing captain as ganguly in his last yrs as captain. Laxman should be given captaincy of the test team. in fact lax should have been the captain after kumble.

  • on November 16, 2010, 17:56 GMT

    Idiotic pitches!! Better to prepare seaming/spinning wickets where the test gets over in 3days with low scores. Nobody will complain. God knows why this type of pitches are made!!!!!!

  • Sanj747 on November 16, 2010, 18:12 GMT

    A one dimensional attack with an injury prone bowler. How are they going to take 20 wickets in SAF, WIs, Eng and Aus over the next 12 months. Thought they were the number 1 team. Great stuff from NZ. India are an ordinary lot. SL are struggling without Murali. India are also without Kumble.

  • kr_kinshuk on November 16, 2010, 18:30 GMT

    i think the main problem is the deteriorating quality of india's spinning options.... the medium pacers have actually improved over the years... it was munaf who won us games in west indies, and zaheer in england... , or sreesanth in south africa and ishant did a fairly good job in australia...

    even on the flat wickets of india, they've done fairly well given the nature of these pitches....

    the spinners on the other hand have become worse and worse.....